Nov 09, 2026 City Council Work Session

[Call to Order & Roll Call]

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2026 WORK SESSION. IF OUR CITY CLERK WILL PLEASE CALL THE ROLL AND ESTABLISH A QUORUM. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD PRESENT COUNCILOR DINGMAN. SHE'S ONLINE. CHECK HER OUT. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON

[Office of the Mayor]

RIGHT. AND SO THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS. EVERY CITY IS EQUAL IN THAT RESPECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, THAT'S THAT SHIFT IS PART OF THE SYSTEM I THINK. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS IF THAT'S SORT OF A NOD OF A HEADS FORWARD, THIS VOTE ON AMENDING THE ARTICLES, WHICH I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT IN JUST A SECOND. IF IT'S OKAY, WE'LL JUST LET THE MAYOR VOTE. I DON'T THINK IT'LL EVER HAPPEN EXCEPT THIS ONE TIME. SO BE CAREFUL HOW YOU VOTE. SUBSTITUTION OF IT. WHY NOT BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL OF US, TAKE A VOTE AND THEN HAVE HER BE? THAT WOULD BE A ONE WAY TO DEFINE CONSULTATION. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT SOMEHOW AS A WRITTEN POLICY. SO WE KNOW FUTURE GENERATIONS WHEN THIS COMES UP AGAIN, WE HAVE A POLICY FOR THE CITY. THE MAYOR WILL VOTE FOR THE I SEE WITH WITH CONSULTATION OR RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNCIL. YEAH, YEAH.

OKAY. YEAH. WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THIS HAPPEN FASTER THAN WE CAN ACTUALLY GET POLICY WRITTEN FOR

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NO. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARITY. EVERY ELECTED CITY OFFICIAL REGISTERED AT THE ANNUAL ANNUAL CONFERENCE IS ENTITLED TO ONE VOTE ENTITLED YEAH. SEE, THIS IS WHERE THE LARGER CITIES HAVE AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO SEND MORE AND THE CITY HAS AN ADVANTAGE. BOISE HAS A BIG ADVANTAGE BECAUSE, WELL, ALL OF THE ONES IN THE TREASURE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE, BECAUSE IT'S SO EASY FOR THEM TO GET THERE. SO THEY HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IN THAT, THAT VOTE. THE OTHER ONE IS ABSOLUTELY EVERY CITY IS ACTUALLY EQUAL.

SO IT'S KIND OF. COUNCILMAN LEE IS THAT COMPROMISES. THERE YOU GO ONE WAY. IT'S A MAJORITY VOTE THE OTHER WAY. IT'S. EVERY CITY. THAT'S THE EFFECT OF IT. AND I HAVE ALREADY VOTED TO BRING THIS TO THE CITIES AS A BOARD MEMBER. IF THAT'S NOT COMPLICATED ENOUGH ON THAT STATEMENTS. SO THAT'S THE DECISION YOU WOULD BE MAKING. AND I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THEIR SUMMARY. GREAT. OKAY. SO IS EVERYONE OKAY? OR WE HAD SORT OF A NOD OF THE HEAD TO GO FORWARD WITH THE MAYOR. YES. A SMILE IS A NOD OF THE HEAD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER BRADFORD. ALL RIGHT, SO IN FRONT OF YOU, I HANDED OUT A BOOK AND A PACKET OF INFORMATION FROM YOU. KAWASAKI. HE IS A COUNCIL MEMBER IN TOKAIMURA, AND TOKAIMURA IS A MAJOR INDUSTRY. ONE OF THEIR MAJOR INDUSTRY IS THE SWEET POTATO INDUSTRY, WHICH IS USED IN JAPAN FOR ACTUAL SUGAR TO SWEETEN PRODUCTS LIKE RED BEAN PASTE AND SOME OF THE VERY POPULAR PRODUCTS. HE WANTED YOU ALL TO HAVE THIS BOOK AND THE PACKET OF INFORMATION THAT HE GAVE YOU. HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN FOOD WASTE ACROSS ALL REALMS AND THINKS THAT IDAHO WOULD PROBABLY HAVE FOOD WASTE FROM OUR MANUFACTURING FACILITIES AS WELL. AND SO THAT'S FUN. THE SISTER CITIES IN JAPAN, AS JIM HAS BEEN, HAS ANYONE ELSE BEEN IN OUR DELEGATION? I DON'T THINK SO. IS THEY HAVE A FULL TIME STAFF OF THREE PEOPLE THAT ONLY WORK ON SISTER CITIES AND, AND INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE FROM THEIR CITY. AND, AND SO WHEN YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO, I WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW CITIES WORK IN JAPAN. ONE THING THAT WAS DIFFERENT, INTERESTINGLY, IS THEY DO NOT HAVE A POLICE FORCE FROM THE CITY. IT'S FROM THEIR STATE.

AND SO AND THEN THEY RUN THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND THAT HAPPENS IN AMERICA TOO. SO IN DIFFERENT STATES. BUT WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT WHAT THE SISTER CITIES GAVE TO OUR CITY AS THE CITY TO CITY GIFT, WHICH WAS A BIG RESPONSIBILITY TO GET HOME FROM JAPAN BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY VALUABLE BASE FROM A DIFFERENT ERA OF HISTORY, AND WHICH WITH CHECKED LUGGAGE.

YEAH, HOPEFULLY IT MADE IT SAFE. AND IT DID. SO THIS IS OH, WOW. WOW. THE BASE FROM THIS BOX OF

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YES. AND AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BREAK IT. YOU KNOW WHY I'M ASKING IT TO GO NOW? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT DO YOU WANT A VIDEO OF US HANDING IT OVER? SO YOU'RE JUGGLING IT AROUND. YEAH. NO, I'M PROOF THAT I GAVE THIS TO YOU, IN FACT. AND ALSO JUST AN AMAZING DELEGATION THAT WENT AN AMAZING GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE THAT CARE ABOUT SISTER CITIES.

AND AS FOR 45 YEARS, ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS I SENT, I THINK A PICTURE TO ALL OF YOU WAS I WENT TO THE CITY PARK NEXT TO MY FAMILY, HOST FAMILY, AND AT THAT PARK WAS A TREE PLANTED 45 YEARS EARLIER IN 1983. DELEGATION. WOW. THAT WAS A MATURE 50, ALMOST 50 YEAR OLD TREE NOW. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COME FROM IDAHO FALLS TO TOKAIMURA. AND SO REALLY, REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND HOPEFUL THAT EACH OF YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN, MAYOR, YOUR MAYOR'S GIFT, THE MAYOR OPENED AND PUT ON DIRECTLY HIS T SHIRT. THAT WAS AMERICA 250 AND AND WORE IT ALL DAY UNDER HIS SUIT JACKET. AND THEN IF YOU GO INTO HIS OFFICE AS YOU WALK IN, I THINK JIM'S BEEN THERE. LINDA MILAM IS ON THERE LIKE HONORED LIKE MAYORS FROM THE PAST. AND THEN IN HIS OFFICE, THERE'S JUST A WHOLE SHELF OF THE GIFTS. AND THEN THE TREE. WE HAD A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO WELCOME THE CHRISTMAS TREE THAT'S GOING TO THE. CAPITAL CAPITAL BUILDING AND HAD A GREAT TURNOUT IN THE FOREST SERVICE WAS AMAZING AND JUST A GREAT EVENT FRIDAY NIGHT, I THINK. I REALLY LIKED YOUR SPEECH THAT YOU THAT YOU GAVE IT TO US IN A WRITTEN FORM TO THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND READ IT LATER BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT WAS REALLY VERY, VERY NICE. DID YOU WRITE THAT YOURSELF? YEAH, I WELL, AFTER THE JAPANESE TRIP AND RUNNING INTO THOSE TREES THAT WERE A THOUSAND YEARS OLD AND ALL THESE SHRINES AND OH, IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS REALLY GREAT. I REALLY ENJOYED READING IT. I ENJOYED HEARING YOU SAY IT TOO, BUT IT WAS NICE TO READ IT. THANK. NOTHING AT THIS TIME. WELL, I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT.

OKAY, YOU MADE THE COMMENT. I BELIEVE THAT THE THE TREE DEAL THAT THAT WAS A BIGGER CROWD THAN ANTICIPATED. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME AND ENJOYED. YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITY THINGS. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HELPS MAKE IDAHO FALLS A PLACE THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO LIVE. MARGARET, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT? YES. THE FOREST SERVICE REACHED OUT A COUPLE OF, GOSH, PROBABLY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO NOW, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPOTS. WE WERE THRILLED TO HAVE THE TREE BACK. IT DID PASS THROUGH IDAHO FALLS, I THINK, 8 OR 10 YEARS AGO, BUT WORKED WITH PARKS AND REC AND THE, THE, THE LIBRARY, IDAHO FALLS POWER AND FIBER. WE REALLY WANTED TO KEEP IT PRETTY SIMPLE. SO THE FOCUS COULD BE ON THE TREE. SO WE DIDN'T DO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE VENDORS. IDAHO FALLS POWER DID THE HOT CHOCOLATE. OUR PLAN WAS TO DO SO THE FIRST 300. BUT BECAUSE OF THE GREAT ATTENDANCE, I KNOW THEY WERE RUNNING OUT AND BUYING MORE HOT CHOCOLATE. AND I THINK WHEN IT WAS ALL SAID AND DONE, WE'D SERVED MORE THAN 700 CUPS OF HOT CHOCOLATE, BUT THE FOREST SERVICE WAS GREAT TO WORK WITH. WE GOT JUST TONS OF APPRECIATION THAT NIGHT AND EVEN THIS MORNING JUST EMAILS. IT WAS THE LARGEST AND PROBABLY MOST VISITED SPOT ON THEIR IDAHO CIRCUIT. THERE'S ONLY SEVEN. THIS TREE IS ONLY MAKING 17 STOPS BETWEEN THE TIME IT LEFT THE NEZ PERCE CLEARWATER FOREST AND THE TIME IT GETS TO WASHINGTON, DC. SO WE WERE ONE OF THOSE, AND BY FAR THE LARGEST EVENT IN IDAHO. SO THEY WERE THRILLED. AND I THINK WE WERE JUST REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO BE PART OF THAT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A FABULOUS WAY TO CELEBRATE IDAHO AND ITS FORESTS AND ITS BIG, WIDE OPEN SPACES.

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SHE TOOK THE LEAD ON THAT EVENT AND THE IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. BUT AGAIN, CITY WIDE FOLKS JUMPED IN, AS THEY ALWAYS DO. BRIAN CARDEN WITH STREETS AND HIS CREW WAS FANTASTIC WITH ROAD CLOSURE, POLICE, FIRE, THEY HELPED SORT OF ESCORT THE TREE AND THEN AGAIN, LIBRARY FIBER. IT WAS IT WAS REALLY A TEAM EFFORT. AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE PITCHING IN AND HELPING OUT WITH THAT. SO WE'LL JUST ADD, I LOVE IT WHEN WE DO THESE EVENTS AND DON'T SHY AWAY FROM COLD WEATHER EVENTS. WE DO GET TURNOUT. PEOPLE WANT TO GET OUT AND GET TOGETHER. BUT. TIM.

YEAH. THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE THINGS WITH VETERANS DAY COMING UP WEDNESDAY, ELEVATE ACADEMY IS IS HOSTING A BREAKFAST FOR VETERANS. IT'S FREE TO ALL VETERANS FROM 830 TO 10 A.M. I GOT THAT FROM THE VETERANS ASSOCIATION, SENT THAT NOTIFICATION TO ME. BUT I THOUGHT THAT THE PUBLIC OUGHT TO KNOW. I ALSO WANTED TO JUST MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU PROBABLY ARE ALL AWARE OF THIS, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THE FLOATING BRIDGE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM UNDERNEATH CONSOLE BRIDGE. SO YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THAT WAY RIGHT NOW.

THEY NEED TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WATER BECAUSE THE WEATHER'S TURNING. SO DON'T TRY TO GO TO FREEMAN PARK THAT WAY. YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND. OKAY, WELL I GOT SO LET'S LET'S HIT MIKE.

MICHELLE'S ON THE LINE. OH, GREAT. SO JUST TO MAKE A NOTE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DAMON IS ONLINE NOW. I'VE BEEN ONLINE. I'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH LINDA. OH, YES. DO YOU HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, I GUESS? OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MICHELLE TO ADD? ANYTHING? NO ONE ELSE'S. OKAY. OKAY. SO HERE'S SOME THINGS FOR COUNCIL FOR UTV LIGHT PARADE, DECEMBER 18TH. WE NEED TO KNOW WHO IS GOING BECAUSE THERE'S WHO NEEDS A UTV TO RIDE IN THE PARADE. IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO RIDE AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO DOWN? WE DON'T. NOT THAT WE DON'T CARE, BUT BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US PRE NOTICE. BUT WE DO NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY UTVS ARE NEEDED. IF YOU CAN COMMUNICATE THAT WITH CARLA IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO. I KNOW IT'S SIX WEEKS AWAY, BUT IT TAKES A WHILE TO WRANGLE UP UTVS AND GET THEM LIT. CAN WE BRING OUR OWN? YOU CAN PUT YOUR OWN. YEAH, YOU JUST HAVE TO DECORATE IT. IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN. IT WOULD BE GREAT. CAN I, CAN I DO A GOLF COURSE OR DOES IT HAVE GOLF CART OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE A IT COULD BE A GOLF CART. OKAY. IT CANNOT BE GOLF CART. I THINK IT HAS TO BE LIKE A FOUR WILL GIVE YOU THE LIKE WE LET THE I IT CAN'T BE AN ATV, BUT TOUCH BASE WITH PARKS AND REC BECAUSE WE DO HAVE WE'VE HAD INTEREST FROM LOTS OF OTHER KINDS OF ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES.

AND I WORRY THAT IF WE START SORT OF CHANGING THE RULES AND WE SUDDENLY END UP WITH LOTS OF GOLF CARTS, BUT IT MIGHT BE THAT GOLF CARTS FIT UNDER. THIS IS THIS IS CALLED AN LSV, A LOW SPEED VEHICLE, NOT AN ATV. LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH, WELL, THESE ARE PARKS AND REC, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND THEN I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. I JUST DON'T WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SORT OF. I'M JUST LIKE, YEAH, I SEE SEE YOU HAS THERE OLD MAIL. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A I DON'T WANT TO BREAK ANY RULES. YEAH, ACTUALLY I DO READ THE RULE FOLLOWER AS HE HAS. OTHERWISE. ANYBODY BUYING THAT ONE? NOPE, NOPE. OKAY. SO THAT IS ONE. THEN THE DOWNTOWN TREE LIGHTING AND HOLIDAY MARKET. THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM PAST EVENTS.

WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE IT SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE DOWN TO THE HOLIDAY MARKET AND TREE LIGHTING DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE, THAT THEY ACTUALLY GET TO BE THERE TO SEE THE TREE LIGHTING AND SANTA CLAUS. SO COUNCIL AND MAYOR IN THE PAST HAVE WRITTEN IN ON A FIRE ENGINE, BUT IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO GET THERE BECAUSE OF THE CROWD. AND SO THIS YEAR, COUNCIL AND MAYOR WILL JUST GET TO BROADWAY PLAZA ON THEIR OWN, AND WE WILL MEET THERE. AND THEN WE WILL INTRODUCE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SANTA WILL BRING THAT UP. SO THE RUN OF SHOW WE'RE GOING TO MEET ON THE STAIRS BY THE TREE AT 555.

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OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S THIS IS THE RUN OF SHOW IFDC WILL WELCOME AND GIVE SHORT REMARKS. I WILL DO THE COUNTDOWN TO THE TREE LIGHTING. THEN THE TREE ON BROADWAY PLAZA WILL LIGHT UP, AND THEN THE LIGHTS ON MEMORIAL WILL LIGHT UP SO THAT THERE IS A KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING. THEN. THEN SANTA WILL ARRIVE AND THE CITY LIGHTS ALONG THE RIVERWALK WILL LIGHT UP AT THAT SAME TIME. SO THAT IS THE DOWNTOWN TREE LIGHTING AND HOLIDAY MARKET WE'RE GOING TO. I NOTICED THE OTHER NIGHT AT THE WHEN WE HAD THE CAPITAL CHRISTMAS TREE HERE, THEY CHANGED THE LIGHTS ON THE WATER TOWER. THEY DID? YEAH, THEY'RE BACK TO THE TO THE RED AND BLUE. SO YEAH. THEN WE'LL CHANGE THE LIGHTS TO OKAY, A FEW OTHER THINGS. IS THERE. NO, THERE'S NOT A. OH, I WAS CONFUSING WHEN WE HAD THE FAREWELL PARTY FOR THE WATER TOWER WE HAD. BUT THERE'S NO FIREWORKS. NO FIREWORKS THAT I KNOW OF. NO, NO FIREWORKS ARE PLANNED. THE LIGHTS WILL BE THE WILL BE THE FIRE IN THE SKY. THE FIREWORKS ARE FOR THE UTV. THERE IS FIREWORKS PLANNED. WHERE ARE THOSE GOING TO BE SHUT OFF, YOU KNOW. WELL, THAT'S A CONVERSATION WITH ITD. STILL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE WE'RE HORSE TRADING WITH ITD RIGHT NOW. OKAY. OKAY. OUR AUDIT THIS IS A CONVERSION YEAR FROM KAYENTA TO WORKDAY. SO WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO PUSH OUR AUDIT DATE INTO MARCH, LIKE MARCH 1ST INSTEAD OF JANUARY 1ST. WE DON'T WANT TO BE PROVIDING THEM BALANCES THAT. THEN WE GO BACK IN AND CHANGE THE ADJUSTING A CLOSED BOOK IS WAY WORSE THAN PUSHING IT OUT FOR A MONTH AND NOT HAVING THE AUDIT FINISHED UNTIL THE END OF APRIL. WE THINK THAT IT'LL. IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE DRAFTS FOR THAT, FOR THE DEPARTMENTS THAT NEEDED SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY BY THE END OF MARCH. MARK IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF INFORMATION, MARK, IF I IF I MISS SOMETHING, YOU COULD. SO SO THE AUDIT WOULD BEGIN. MARCH 1ST INSTEAD OF JANUARY. THIS IS A ONE ONE OFF KIND OF A THING.

JUST DO IT THIS ONE TIME. OKAY. YEP. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED. THEY'VE ALREADY TALKED TO AUDITORS. THEY'RE FINE WITH THAT. IT MAKES SENSE. ANECDOTALLY, IT TOOK BONNEVILLE COUNTY TWO YEARS WHEN THEY DID THEIR CONVERSION. OH. SO I THINK A TWO MONTH PUSH IS PRETTY GOOD. OKAY. AND THAT ISN'T TO TO DISS ON BONNEVILLE COUNTY. IT IS SIMPLY TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FINANCES IS DOING A GOOD JOB WITH OUR CONVERSION. OKAY, THEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DIRECTOR CANFIELD DOESN'T KNOW YET AS HE'S AS HE PERKS UP HIS EARS, THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING AT ROLAND DEBT, AND WE WERE GOING TO PUSH THIS AND HAVE THIS WORK SESSION IN JANUARY. I'M HOPING MAYBE WE CAN PUSH IT TO THE 16TH OF DECEMBER. REGARDLESS OF WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. THERE IS SO MUCH HAPPENING AT ROLAND DEBT, AND THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I'M THAT WE JUST NEED TO DISCUSS AS AS ELECTED LEADERS. ROLAND DEBT HAS IT. IT'S ON NEXT SUMMER'S PROJECT FOR WIDENING, FOR BIKE PATHS, FOR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT PART OF THE PROJECT, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO LIKE ADJUST THE ROAD WORK TO WORK AROUND THE CANDLES. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE CAMELS INTO THE ELK PASTURE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE CAMELS INTO THE ELK PASTURE. IT ALSO DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO A CURB CUT FOR SOFTBALL DRIVE. SO THEN, BECAUSE WHY WOULD WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED A CURB CUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SHUT DOWN SOFTBALL DRIVE ANYWAY. WE ARE $200,000 SHORT OF THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE FOR THE NEW ZOO ENTRANCE. SO WITH COUNCIL'S PERMISSION, THIS IS NOT A THIS IS NOT A CONTRACT. WE'VE ALREADY. WE HAVE THE ENGINEERED PLANS. IF WE CAN. WE ALREADY

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BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS THAT COMMITMENT OF $200,000 THAT WE WOULD BE. IT'S IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO LET THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY USE IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. AND THIS HAS ALL GONE THROUGH. HAS THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY SIGNED OFF ON THIS CONCEPT? WE'RE GOING TO OFFER IT TO THEM. OKAY. WHICH IS A BETTER WAY THAN.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOU, CARTHORSE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. IS THERE INTEREST ATTACHED TO THIS? WELL, IT'S NOT AN INTERNAL LOAN, SO IT ISN'T MONEY THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM LIKE IF IT WAS FROM OUR UTILITIES, THEN WE WOULD HAVE INTEREST ATTACHED TO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE TERMS WOULD BE TO THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY. IT IS MONEY THAT IS SITTING IN MURPH, SO IT'S ACHIEVING SOME KIND OF INTEREST, BUT BASED ON PROBABLY JUST THE LIQUIDITY OF OF WHERE OUR INVESTMENT POLICY SITS WOULD SO IT WOULD IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S MONEY THAT IS ACTUALLY IN PJ'S BUDGET. OKAY. I'M PROBABLY A LITTLE AHEAD OF THE GAME, BUT OUR POLICY IS THEY PAY BACK WITH WHAT WE WOULD GET ON THE MARKET INTEREST. WELL, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT. IT'S THE SAME DEPARTMENT. OH, OKAY. IT'S JUST THAT IT'S THEIR MURPH MONEY THAT THEY'RE USING. I MEAN, AND THE ONLY REASON IT'S MURPH MONEY IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE HAPPENS TO BE THE FUND THAT WE SET IT IN FOR SAVINGS. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE THAT COMPLICATED? I JUST LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY AND THE CITY AND. AND HOW WE ADMINISTER THAT, MANAGING THAT.

SO AGAIN, I'M PROBABLY OUT IN FRONT OF THIS TOO FAR, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY FEEL FOR HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE THE SOCIETY TO REPAY IT? ANY SENSE ON HOW LONG THAT I MEAN, THIS IS I'M NOT AGAINST THE IDEA AT ALL. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GOING TO COME TOGETHER. IT WOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG. FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS? NO. IF IT WAS THEIR ONLY PRIORITY, MAYBE TWO.

OKAY. IF THEY SAY, WELL, WE DO HAVE THIS, BUT WE'RE ALSO MOVING THE CAMEL BARN, THEN IT MIGHT TAKE FIVE. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT THEY ALSO ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO ALSO THE FACTS THAT WE. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I WANT TO HEAR THIS FROM JOHN. OH, OKAY.

THE ZOOLOGIST ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY ACTUALLY MADE US ALONE, BASICALLY TO PAY THE COUNTY OFF FOR THE. THE ZOO HEADQUARTERS ARE NOW. RIGHT. THEY, THEY GAVE UP SOMETHING. THEY GAVE UP SOME OF THE MONEY. THEY PAID PART OF THE COST OF THAT FACILITY AND WE PAID THEM BACK. BUT, BUT SO WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE TERMS. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. WHEN WE BOUGHT THAT BUILDING AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY UP FRONT IN THE COUNTY. SO THEY, THEY BASICALLY HELPED US BUY THAT BUILDING. SO, SO THAT IT DIDN'T GO TO AUCTION. AND THEY SAID, WELL, THIS, THIS IS THE MONEY WE'VE BEEN SAVING FOR OUR NEW ENTRANCE FRONT GATE. YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET PAID BACK SO WE CAN BUILD THAT GATE OR, OR THAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WAS GOING TO HELP PAY FOR THE GATE. SO ANYWAY, THIS IS JUST KIND OF US PAYING THEM BACK FOR THAT GOOD DEED THEY DID TO US. WHAT WAS IT 7 OR 8 YEARS AGO? THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S GOOD HISTORY.

AND THERE'S ONE THING TO ADD TO THAT. IT WASN'T ANYTHING FORMAL, BUT IN AN EMAIL EXCHANGE BACK IN THE TIME I WAS LIAISON WITH PARKS AND REC, SOMEBODY FROM THEIR BOARD SAID, WOULD THIS BE

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PINK WAS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE US DO OURS WHEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO YOURS? SO WE ARE GOING TO DO OURS. OKAY? SO WE NEED THEM TO DO THEIRS. AT THE SAME TIME, THE WHOLE. YEAH. AND PART OF THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT WITH YOU. OKAY. AND LEGAL IS WORKING ON THAT SIDE OF IT AS WELL. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THOSE LETTERS ARE GOING OUT THIS WEEK, THIS PROJECT, IF ALL GOES WELL, THE PROJECT, THE ROAD SHOULD BID IN JANUARY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GET THIS PART OF IT OUT WITH A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER CHOSEN AND VALUE ENGINEERED, AND OUT THE BID PACKAGES OUT BEFORE FEBRUARY, BUT WE WILL TRY OUR BEST TO GET THAT IN THE RFQ, THAT IT IS A TIGHT TIMELINE. OTHER THAN THAT. THOSE ARE MY ANNOUNCEMENTS.

MENTIONED THAT SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING IN DECEMBER TO APPROVE THAT. YEAH. IF. IF. IF THE TIMELINE DOESN'T WORK OUT, I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN GET A CMG, RFQ PUBLISHED, SCORED AND DONE BY DECEMBER 16TH. IF WE NEED THOSE EXTRA TWO WEEKS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN HOLD A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING JUST VIA PHONE THE WEEK, THE LAST WEEK OF DECEMBER. WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUSH IT AS FAST AS WE CAN. WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT TWO WEEKS FOR A COUNCIL MEETING IF IT'S READY TO GO. IF IT'S NOT READY TO GO, WE WON'T MOVE IT FORWARD. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO. WE DON'T WANT TO DELAY IT BECAUSE OUR LAST MEETING IN DECEMBER IS MID-DECEMBER, AND OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY IS FIRST WEEK OF, YOU KNOW, SECOND WEEK OF JANUARY. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT MONTH THAT'S CONSTRUCTION AND BID MONTHS. SO WE JUST STILL WILL WORK AROUND THAT AS NECESSARY. JUST I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE BRIDGE. WHAT'S THE DEAL? WHAT'S THE STATUS WITH THAT BRIDGE HAS TO BE WIDENED. DOES IT DOES IT. YEAH. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE DESIGNING A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE ON THE WEST SIDE. YEAH. AND WE'RE UTILIZING THE EXISTING BRIDGE WITH FOUR LANES AND A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE THE SKEW OF THE CANAL THAT COMES INTO THAT CROSSING IS VERY COST PROHIBITIVE TO DO ANY STRUCTURES ON THE EAST SIDE.

OKAY, OKAY. IT'S SO IT'S GONNA MAKE A LITTLE PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATION ACROSS THE BRIDGE ON THE EAST SIDE WILL BE DOWN TO A FIVE FOOT LONG LINK, SIMILAR TO WHAT SOUTH BRIDGE.

AND THEN AS WE GET THROUGH THE PARK, IT WOULD BE A WIDER PATH AND SHARED USE PATH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS REALLY A BIG SUBJECT TO CHANGE. YEAH. SORRY. IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE IF IT DOESN'T. RIGHT. I MEAN, BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS ALL PLAYING TOGETHER. SOMEBODY RUN INTO THE THE RAILING ON THAT BRIDGE PRETTY BADLY. WE'RE UPGRADING. YEAH. PART OF THE PROJECT. YEAH.

SO YEAH, THIS IS ALL THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO BRING IT. IT'S IT'S ALL ONE BIG PROJECT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BRIDGE OVER THE CANAL? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT ON THE NORTH NORTHWEST CORNER.

SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARK. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION TWICE, RIGHT? YOU WANT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO STOP AT ALL OR START IT ALL. AND THEN AND THEN STOP AND THEN START IT ALL AGAIN. SO YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO GET IT ALL DONE AT ONCE. YEAH, THIS IS GREAT. I DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN MY LIFETIME. IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE BUSY. I MEAN, ROUTES NOW I KNOW IF YOU'RE TRYING TO IF YOU'RE USING GPS IV, I MEAN,

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MAYBE DECEMBER 16TH IF WE CAN PULL IT OFF. OKAY. IT'S THE 16TH OF. WELL, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE WORK SESSION. IT WOULD BE THE WORK SESSION OF THAT WEEK, THE WORK SESSION OF THAT WEEK.

OKAY. THANK YOU. 1414. OH EVEN BETTER. TWO DAYS SOONER. WE'RE MORE EFFICIENT THAN OKAY. OUR

[Library]

SO THIS IS TRULY AN ITEM THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. IF WE CAN VOTE ON IT TODAY, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. WOULD YOU MIND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING TO SPEAK INTO THE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO PRESENT OTHER THAN SOME BACKSTORY. WE'VE KNOWN THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS RECOMMENDED THE ROOF BE REPLACED. THE MEMBRANE ROOF ON A PORTION OF THE LIBRARY. AND SO WE WENT OUT TO BID IN SEPTEMBER. RFP WENT OUT, I THINK WE GOT FOUR RESPONSIVE BIDS. I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR. THIS IS THE LOWEST TECHNICALLY RESPONSIVE BID.

THERE WAS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION, CLERICAL ERROR, WHERE IT APPEARED AT FIRST THAT THEY WERE NOT RESPONSIVE. AND SO LAST MONTH THE LIBRARY BOARD VOTED TO APPROVE EXPENDITURE OF THE FUNDS TO THE SECOND LOWEST ON OUR. IN OUR BOARD MEETING LAST WEEK, WE RESCINDED THAT ONCE IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE LOWEST BIDDER WAS RESPONSIVE, WE WERE SENT TO THAT APPROVAL, AND WE VOTED FOR NORTHWEST AT $225,000. AND THAT WAS AFTER ROBERT SPOKE WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD HONOR THEIR BID, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ISSUED IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEY WILL COMMIT TO GETTING THE WORK DONE THIS YEAR IN 2026. TYPICALLY, WE WOULD SEE THIS ON THURSDAY. BUT ONCE AGAIN, OH, GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER. NO, GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT IT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY GOOD FEW DAYS AND WE HATE TO HAVE THREE BAD DAYS IN A ROW, AND WE PUT THEM AT THE END OF THIS WEEK. LET'S JUST START THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS WEEK AND AWARD. THE BID WOULD BE THE PREFERENCE OF CITY STAFF AND THE LIBRARY BOARD. OKAY, BUT CONFIRM THIS CAME TO A LIBRARY BOARD MEETING. A PUBLIC MEETING, CORRECT? YES. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE NORMALLY ON THURSDAY MEETINGS, PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA. SO EVEN THOUGH I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, I KNOW THE PUBLIC HAD A CHANCE TO COME TO THE LIBRARY BOARD MEETING AND SPEAK TO THIS CONTRACT. THAT'S CORRECT. IN BOTH INSTANCES, BOTH VOTES WERE HELD IN OPEN MEETINGS WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY. COUNCIL. IF WITH WITH OUR LIAISON TO LIBRARY ON REMOTELY IF YOU WOULD IF SOMEONE WOULD. WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE BID FROM NORTHWEST ROOF RESTORATION LLC FOR $225,000, $225,508.03 TO REPLACE THE LIBRARY'S ROOF.

SECOND. FREEMAN. YES. BRADFORD. LEE. YES. DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS. EYE GLASSES. YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THANK YOU. OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM, WE HAVE TWO UPDATES ACTUALLY

[Public Works]

[00:40:09]

THANK YOU MAYOR. SO BASICALLY, ANNUALLY WE UPDATE OUR SNOW REMOVAL POLICY. I DID REPRESENT THE AGENDA THAT THIS WOULD BE AN ACTION ITEM, BUT OUR INTENT IS TO BRING THIS BEFORE YOU AS A CONSENT ITEM ON THIS THURSDAY. OH, I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID IT IS. IT ISN'T AN ACTION ITEM, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE, I REPRESENT THAT. SO IT'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURE MANUAL UPDATES. WHAT I'LL DO IS JUST GO THROUGH REAL QUICK OUR MINOR CHANGES. IT'S MAINLY CLARIFICATIONS. WE'VE GOT 802 LANE MILES OF SNOW REMOVAL VERSUS 787 THE PRIOR YEAR. LANE MILES IN PRIORITY 3 OR 449 VERSUS 444 IN THE PRIOR YEAR.

AND CUL DE SACS INCREASED BY SIX. WE ALSO CLARIFIED THAT TREE LIMBS CAN BE CUT AND TAKEN TO THE HATCH PIT. THAT'S IN OUR SNOW REMOVAL POLICY. AND THERE AND THEN WE MADE A CLARIFICATION OF EQUIPMENT. WE USED TO CALL THEM TEN WHEELERS. NOW WE CALL THEM DUMP TRUCKS.

SO THE EQUIPMENT WAS THE DUMP TRUCKS WITH PLOWS THAT WE UTILIZE FOR OUR SNOW REMOVAL EFFORTS. AND THEN WE DO GRADERS AS WELL. AND THEN EQUIPMENT FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO THE HIGHLIGHTED CHANGES ARE THE CHANGES FROM THE YEAR PRIOR. THERE WAS A TABLE AND THEN STAFFING. WE ALSO CLARIFIED THAT WE HAVE AFTER HOURS AS NEEDED. WE'LL BRING OFFICE STAFF IN TO HELP RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS. AND THESE DETAILS, RIGHT. AS FAR AS SNOW, I JUST WANTED TO DO A QUICK BRIEF UPDATE ON SNOW REMOVAL. WE HAVE A CLASSIFIED SNOW EVENTS IN OUR REMOVAL POLICY. THERE'S MINOR, WHICH IS 2 TO 4IN ON THE ROAD, MODERATE 4 TO 8IN, HEAVY 8 TO 12, AND EMERGENCY IS MORE THAN 12IN OF SNOW ON THE ROAD. AND THERE'S NO CHANGE. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ENLIGHTEN FOR INFORMATION. WE ALSO HAVE PRIORITIES. SO BASICALLY ON THOSE SNOW EVENTS, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE EFFORTS GO TO PRIORITY ONES, ARTERIALS, ARTERIAL AND MAJOR COLLECTOR STREETS. AND WE WORK SEVEN HOURS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY DURING THE EVENT AT THE END OF IT TO CLEAR IT. USUALLY IT'S CLEARED BETWEEN 12 AND 24 HOURS. PRIORITY TWO, WE MOVE TO MINOR COLLECTORS AND WHAT WE CALL SPECIAL NEEDS STREETS. GENERALLY. THOSE ARE STREETS WITH SCHOOLS AND OR HOSPITALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PRIORITY THREE IS ALL OTHER STREETS, AND I WANTED TO SPEAK. ALLEYS ARE ONLY AS NEEDED TO COLLECT BY SANITATION FOR PICKUPS. SO IT'S IT'S THAT ORDER. SO THESE WE ALSO HAVE A MAP FOR SNOW REMOVAL, OUR PRIORITIES. AND BASICALLY IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS OUR METHOD MAP. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT WE TAKE SNOW. AND IN INSTANCES WE PUSH IT TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE ROAD. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE IT'S MOST EFFICIENT OUT ALONG THE CURB, WHERE THE CURB CANNOT ACCOMMODATE RECEIVING THAT SNOW AND TAKEN OFF THE RUNOFF. WE'VE HISTORICALLY PULLED IT INTO THE CENTER AND THEN HAULED IT OFF. AND YOU'LL SEE US DO THAT ON 17TH STREET, SUNNYSIDE, AS AN EXAMPLE. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME LOCAL ROADS LIKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OVER IN THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, JUST NORTH OF 17TH SOUTH, WHERE WHERE WE WOULD DO THAT TO ACCOMMODATE IT. THE SO ON THE LEFT, I HIGHLIGHTED CHANGE IS TO CHANGE THE. SO SINCE THEN, WE'VE DONE SOME STORM DRAIN UPGRADES IN IN THAT AREA WHERE WE CAN MOVE IT FROM PLOW TO THE CENTER TO PLOW TO THE OUTSIDE. AND THAT'S A MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM FOR US. SO ALONG, I THINK THIS DUVAR. DUVAR, LOWELL AND NEWMAN, WE'RE GOING TO PLOW IT TO THE OUTSIDE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO RECLASSIFY THE PRIORITY. SO THE MAP ON THE LEFT CLARIFIES THAT. WE'RE GOING TO PLOW IT TO THE OUTSIDE. ON THOSE THREE LEGS OF THOSE STREETS. AND THEN THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE PRIORITY CLASSIFICATION. AND IT WOULD GO FROM A PRIORITY TWO TO A PRIORITY THREE ON THOSE LOCAL STREETS ABOVE NEWMAN. NEWMAN WOULD STILL REMAIN A PRIORITY TWO BECAUSE OF THE VICINITY OF WEST SIDE ELEMENTARY ON ON NEWMAN, ADJACENT TO BEL-AIR. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES IN THE MAP THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. AND IF APPROVED, WE'LL MAKE THOSE UPDATES AND WE'LL REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO NOTIFY THEM THAT WE'RE MAKING THOSE CHANGES TO OUR SNOW REMOVAL POLICY. SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. I DO

[00:45:02]

IT'S JUST SO SIMPLE, IS WHAT I WORRY. I MEAN, IT'S ALL IT WOULD TAKE IS YOU GUYS LISTENING AND THEN SOME COORDINATION. SO I DON'T KNOW. I AGREE IT'S NOT HAPPENING NOW, BUT I ALSO JUST THINK THAT IT'S NOT A BIG LIFT TO HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN. SO I DON'T KNOW. I THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO THIS IS THAT ANOTHER PUSH 17TH STREET. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE SIDEWALKS CLEARED. AND WE NEED THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY LIVE, TO CLEAR THOSE. THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF CLEARING THEIR PARKING LOTS. SO WE EITHER NEED TO SITE THEM AND BE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT SITING THEM WHEN THEY DON'T CLEAR THE SIDEWALKS. BUT AND THEN THE OTHER THING I'VE BEEN TOLD, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO KIND OF LOOK INTO THIS AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT ANY FEDERAL HIGHWAY PROJECTS THAT WE DID TAP GRANTS WITH THAT THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO BE CLEARED BY US THAT ARE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, JUST LIKE THE ROADS ARE REQUIRED TO BE. SO AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DOING THAT OR PROCESS. YEAH. I MEAN, WHEN WE APPLY FOR THE GRANT, WE POINT OUT IN OUR ORDINANCE WHERE IT IS INCUMBENT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE WE'VE MET WITH THEM LIKE ON THE SIDEWALK AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND STEREO TOWARDS IT, BUT WE KIND OF LUMP THEM TOGETHER WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. AND THEN I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, ADA WISE, I THINK WE NEED TO DO A GOOD JOB OF TELLING OUR RESIDENTS THAT THERE'S A REASON WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CLEAR THEIR SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH WHEELCHAIRS AND, AND DISABILITIES THAT CAN'T PASS IF THEY DON'T DO THEIR SIDEWALKS THROUGH THE PIO SYSTEM. WE DO THAT. BUT I JUST THINK WE HAVEN'T FOCUSED THIS THIS ENOUGH ON PEDESTRIANS SOMETIMES. AND I THINK THERE'S NO EASY ANSWERS TO THAT, BUT I JUST AND IF WE WERE BACK TO THE GESTURE, IF WE WERE AS A CITY, DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON BEING A CATALYST TO GET A GROUP TO PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE, THEN PUTTING SOMETHING IN HERE WOULD BE MAKE SENSE TO ME. BUT RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WORDED CORRECTLY, IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING BECAUSE PEOPLE MIGHT GO THERE AND THEN THEY'LL FIND THERE REALLY ISN'T. BUT IF WE WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO BE THE CATALYST TO LOOK FOR A GROUP THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO BE ON, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GROUPS, THAT'S FINE. WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY WANTS TO BE. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERFECT. I LOVE THAT WE LOOK AT IT EVERY YEAR TO ITERATE. SO IS THAT A CONCERN THAT WE CAN ADDRESS ON. I MEAN, CURRENTLY IT SPEAKS TO SAY IF YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER, YOU CAN SIGN UP WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. THAT WOULD AGREE. BUT I THINK IT'S MISLEADING TO PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP AND DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I MEAN, WE DO SAY, GO TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND ADJACENT AGENCIES TO IF YOU CANNOT. AND THAT'S THE SERVICE WE CURRENTLY OFFER

[00:50:04]

[Human Resources]

COUNCILMEMBER, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. THAT'S GOOD. SO IF SOMEONE I JUST WASN'T CLEAR WHEN I WAS READING THE EDUCATION PART, IF SOMEONE TOOK THE EDUCATION LEAVE IN ORDER TO ENHANCE THEIR POSITIONS AND SAY IT WAS A YEAR LONG PROGRAM, THEY'RE STILL NOT GUARANTEED THEY'D HAVE THEIR JOB BACK. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, MOSTLY BECAUSE ALL EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY ISN'T GUARANTEED. SO WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN IMPLIED GUARANTEE JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE ON EDUCATION. YEAH. BUT IF IT'S SHORT TERM, IF IT'S A SHORT TERM EDUCATION LEAVE, THAT ENHANCES KNOW EVEN THEN THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEED. NO. OKAY. NOBODY, NOBODY, WHETHER THEY'RE ON LEAVE OR NOT ON LEAVE IS GUARANTEED TO HAVE THEIR POSITION BACK. RIGHT. OKAY.

EXCEPT MILITARY, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN TO THEIR POSITION. RIGHT. THAT'S IT. YEAH. THE BASICALLY EMPLOYMENT OF THE CITY IS EMPLOYMENT AT WILL. SO IF WE MAKE STRUCTURAL CHANGES OR REORGANIZATIONS, ALL THE POSITIONS COULD BE CHANGED. LUCKILY, WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DO THAT VERY OFTEN. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN IMPLIED GUARANTEE OF EMPLOYMENT THROUGH THIS EDUCATION LEAVE. YEAH, IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION QUESTION. DOES THAT CLARIFY ANYTHING. WE NEED LANGUAGE CHANGE YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN YOU JUST COMMENT? TIME KEEPING, FOR EXAMPLE, EMPLOYEES AND ALWAYS FAST. OH, YOU SAY THAT LETTER TIME KEEPING FOR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES. YEAH. SO UNDER VERY UNIQUE AND NARROW CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN THERE'S A DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY, IT DOES HAPPEN TO HAPPEN REGULARLY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING OUT ON WILDLAND DEPLOYMENT, WHICH IS ALWAYS A DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY. THE BUT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN ANYWHERE OTHER THAN FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE VERY UNIQUE. IN FACT, WHEN I CHECK, IT'S MAYBE HAPPENED ONCE IN THE PAST 10 OR 15 YEARS FOR A DAY OR SO. SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES, THE VERY FEW FIRE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES WHO GO OUT ON WILD LAND DEPLOYMENT AND ARE EXEMPT FROM OVERTIME. THEIR COUNTERPARTS ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM OVERTIME OR GETTING DOUBLE TIME WHEN THEY'RE WORKING OVERTIME, AND THEY'RE GETTING JUST STRAIGHT TIME WHEN THEY WORK OVERTIME. SO THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT FOR THOSE 2 OR 3 EXEMPT EMPLOYEES AND FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUITABLE PAY ON THE WILDLAND DEPLOYMENT, WHICH IS ALSO PAID FOR ALMOST ALWAYS REIMBURSED. WILDLAND DEPLOYMENTS. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT DIRECTOR JONES WAS MENTIONING ARE ALL FULLY REIMBURSABLE IN THE NATURE, AND IT BENEFITS US FOR THEM TO BE OUT OF THEIR WILDLIFE AS WELL. RIGHT? NOT JUST THEM. THEY GET SOME BENEFIT. THEN THE CITY DEFINITELY BENEFITS THE INDIVIDUAL AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH. AND YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE HANDFUL OF FIRE. I JUST

[00:55:03]

[Fire Department]

THAT'S GREAT. BOTH CHIEF ALBERT AND I ARE IN LOCKSTEP WITH I THINK WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHATEVER THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO BE. AS LONG AS IT'S AS LONG AS WE BREAK THE WHEEL. YEAH.

YEAH. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF, VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. COMING TO

[Police Department]

[01:00:32]

[01:05:02]

AND SO BY THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WE SHOULD BE UP TO OUR EIGHT YEAR MARK OF ROTATION. SO WE WOULD HAVE COMPLETED REPLACING ALL 140 VEHICLES WITHIN THOSE EIGHT YEARS. IT'S NOT A FULL 144, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE LIKE THE HUMVEE AND OTHERS, BUT THIS WILL COMPLETE BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR AS WELL. RECYCLE TO LEASE PROGRAM. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THINGS? I YES, PLEASE TAKE THE CHANCE TO SAY I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS. I'VE NEVER SUPPORTED THIS. I STILL THINK WE'RE CRAZY FOR BORROWING MONEY WHEN WE HAVE $190 MILLION IN CASH, AND WE HAD MORE FUN. I ALSO THINK THAT YOUR VEHICLE THING IS NOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A TEN YEAR REQUIREMENT FOR IMPACT FEES, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE'VE ACTUALLY SAVED WITH WITH MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT WAS PROMISED IN THE LEASE. AND THEN WHAT THIS WOULD COST IF WE WERE JUST PURCHASING LIKE OUR OLD YEAR, BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS, I MEAN, MY MEMORY WAS WE WERE IN THE 4 TO $500,000 A YEAR WE'RE SPENDING ON CARS. AND THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY. WE COULD BE DOING POLICE WORK WITH. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR POLICE VEHICLE TO RETAIN IT SEVEN YEARS. THAT'S WHAT MOST AGENCIES DO. COUNCIL WASN'T QUITE READY TO GO TO SEVEN YEARS. I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S RETENTION ON THEIR VEHICLES IS SEVEN YEARS. SEVEN YEARS IS KIND OF AN INDUSTRY STANDARD IF YOU GET PAST SEVEN YEARS. THESE ARE THESE ARE EMERGENCY VEHICLES. YOU GET PAST SEVEN YEARS. THE YOU'RE YOU'RE KIND OF ROLLING THE DICE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT VEHICLE. IF YOU RECALL BACK PREVIOUSLY, THE CARS WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING NOW 9 OR 10 YEARS AGO, BUT LITERALLY THERE WAS HOLES IN THE FLOORBOARD THAT THEY HAD WELDED. IT WAS IT WAS UNSAFE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPRESS THAT. SO HOW WE DID IT, TO MY OPINION AS A POLICE CHIEF, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY SUBSTANDARD. YOU WERE PUTTING IT WAS SIMPLY RAN TO NOT SPEND MONEY. AND I APPRECIATE THE NEED TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE HAVING HOLES IN CARS WITH SEAT BELTS WEREN'T WORKING THE HOLE, THINGS WERE FALLING APART. SO, SO THAT JUST DIDN'T WORK. I DON'T THINK WE CAN FIX THOSE THINGS. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WASN'T HAPPENING. THAT WAS THE ISSUE WAS WITH THE FLEET. IT WAS IN

[01:10:03]

[01:15:01]

THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO THE EMPLOYEE. I THINK IT'S ALSO FAIR TO SAY THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT TO THE CITY TO DO IT THE WAY WE DO IT, WE THE WAY THAT THAT THAT FEE IS, IS SCHEDULED IS IF THEY'RE DRIVING THE CAR IN IDAHO FALLS, THEY LIVE IN IDAHO FALLS. THEY DON'T PAY A FEE. PEOPLE SEE POLICE CARS. THEY DON'T SEE POLICE OFFICERS. AND SO ALL OF THOSE OFFICERS THAT ARE LIVING IN IDAHO FALLS DRIVING THEIR POLICE CARS AROUND, THAT'S AN ENTIRE TOUR THAT THE CITY IS PAYING VERY LITTLE FOR. AND THERE'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE CITY AFTER THAT. IT GETS MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE THE FURTHER AWAY THE EMPLOYEE LIVES. AND IS THERE ANY TIE TO THE PRICE OF GAS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I LIKE WHERE WE'RE AT $5, OR IF YOU'VE GOT A DIESEL IN THERE DRIVING THE RIGBY EVERY DAY, LIKE I'M HEARING THINGS LIKE 2 OR $300 TO FILL A CAR. NOW, WE, WE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT IT. WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN. I THINK WE JUST TIE IT TO THE COST WE'RE PAYING. WE SET IT OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, THE PRICE, THE CITY'S PRICE FOR GAS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND AND IT STILL GOES UP AND DOWN. BUT YES, WE DO REVIEW THAT AT REGULAR REGULAR. ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY NUMBERS, STUDIES, WHATEVER THAT ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HOW WELL CARS TAKEN CARE OF, IF IT'S GOT ONE OWNER AS OPPOSED TO IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO THE CITY BECAUSE OF THAT? SO SO THERE'S NOT TWO STUDIES. I MEAN, WE KNOW IN OUR OWN EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME FLEET CARS WITH THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND CARS ARE TRASHED. AND THESE ARE OUR EMPLOYEES. WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO DROVE THE CAR, WHERE DID IT COME FROM? AND, AND I LOVE MY FOLKS. DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME, BUT BUT THAT IS HUMAN NATURE.

IF YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING, YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. THAT EXPERIENCE IS IS DOCUMENTED THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY ON, ON, ON FLEET CAR VEHICLES. THAT'S PART OF THAT DONNING AND DOFFING THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DONNING THE VEHICLE, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND YOU HAVE TO DO A MULTI-POINT INSPECTION OF IT EVERY TIME, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THE PREVIOUS PERSON DID IN THE CAR.

BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE STUDIES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE OVER THE YEARS ABOUT ABOUT HOW LONG IT LASTS. I'VE RUN BOTH SYSTEMS. SO WHEN I SAY I COULD DO EITHER ONE OR I COULD DO EITHER ONE OF THEM. MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE CAR SYSTEM IS THEY LAST TWO AND A HALF, MAYBE THREE YEARS, AND FOR HALF THAT TIME THEY ARE FALLING APART ALREADY. I THINK IT'S A DETERRENT FOR THEM TO HAVE THE CAR IN THEIR DRIVEWAY AT THEIR HOUSE TO. THERE'S UPSIDE TO IT. YOU KNOW, THE COUNTER TO THAT BACK IS, WELL, THE CARS AND THE HOUSE IN BONNEVILLE COUNTY IS WHAT BENEFIT IS THAT TO THE PEOPLE OF IDAHO FALLS? I GET THAT, BUT VULNERABLE COUNTY HAS THEIR CARS HERE. I SEE A COUPLE. WE'RE BIGGER. BUT SO I'VE SEEN A REXBURG CARS HERE. I'VE SEEN IDAHO STATE POLICE CARS HERE. AND SO THAT THAT GOES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. THE TRIP BACK AND FORTH THOUGH IS DEFINITELY THAT'S A HUGE INCREASE IN VISIBILITY OF THE POLICE

[01:20:04]

I TRY TO EXPRESS THAT. I DO NOT THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I THINK YOU WOULD VERY MUCH DEVASTATE THE POLICING BECAUSE I FIRMLY BELIEVE WE WOULD LOSE PROBABLY 1011 OFFICERS WITHIN A YEAR. AND YOU HAVE VERY FEW PEOPLE WANTING TO COME WORK FOR US BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE A TAKE HOME CAR THAT EVERY AGENCY AROUND US. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PURCHASE VERSUS LEASE, HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. THESE LEASE VEHICLES ARE A FIVE YEAR LEASE. THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL OPT OUT, WHICH MEANS THAT IT DECLASSIFIES THIS AS A DEBT INSTRUMENT TO AN OPERATION ONE YEAR ONLY. THE COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS BACK OUT OF IT. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO RETURN THE RETURN THE CARS. BUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE COST OF THE VEHICLE WITH THE ANNUAL FIVE YEAR PAYMENTS VERSUS THE BUYOUT OF JUST BUYING ONE, IT WAS NEGOTIABLE. THERE WASN'T A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUYING OR LEASING THESE IN THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO BUY THEM AT A DISCOUNT AND AT LEASE TO US, TO US FOR BASICALLY THE SAME PRICE WE COULD BUY IT. IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO LEASE THEM AND MANAGE THE CASH FLOW THAN IT IS TO BUY OUT STRAIGHT 16 VEHICLES AT ONE TIME, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $2 MILLION A YEAR, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CASH FLOW FOR. WE DO, WE DO WITHIN THE CITY, BUT NOT WITHIN THE POLICE CURVE. AND SO THAT WAS THE WAY TO GET TO THIS.

OUR GOAL WAS TO BUILD UP THE CASH BALANCE, TO GIVE US THE OPTION, BECAUSE AT THE TIME, WE DID NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY IT. NOW WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER, BUT THE VEHICLES ARE NOT AVAILABLE. YES. WELL, YOU HAVE EBBS AND FLOWS IN THE PURCHASING SIDE OF THINGS POST COVID. IT'S HARD TO BUY THINGS IN MASS QUANTITY FROM A DEALERSHIP UNLESS YOU WALK DOWN HERE AND BUY ONE THAT'S NOT REALLY SET UP TO BE A PURSUIT VEHICLE. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME, MARK, STILL YOU, YOU, YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT THE DISCOUNTS FROM THE BULK IS ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THE FINANCING? BECAUSE. BECAUSE TIME VALUE OF MONEY. YEAH. I'M SAYING THAT BY LADDERING THE INVESTMENT AND PAYING OVER TIME, I THINK YOU'RE SAVING MONEY ON IT INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND BUYING AND BUYING IT EVERY YEAR JUST BECAUSE OF THE MARKETPLACE MARKET. AND THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PURCHASE AND THE LEASE, THERE'S ALMOST NO DIFFERENCE. SO HOW ARE LEASE COMPANIES MAKING MONEY? THEY'RE MAKING THEIR BUYING ON MASS QUANTITY. SO OUR OUR VERSION OF BUYING 12 IS NOT COMPARED TO A LEASING COMPANY WHO'S BUYING 700. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JUST KNOWING WHAT OUR FINANCIAL COSTS ARE, WHAT OUR INTEREST PAYMENTS ARE. THERE IS NO INTEREST ON THIS. THERE'S NONE. IT'S ALL IMPLIED IN THE PRICE OF THE VEHICLE. THAT'S HOW WE WERE ABLE TO COMPARE. THERE'S NO IT'S ALL IMPLIED. AND SO WHEN WE DO OUR ANNUAL FINANCIALS, WE HAVE TO DISCOUNT IT TO SHOW AN UNEMPLOYED INTEREST RATE. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE GIVING YOU 0% INTEREST BASICALLY. YEAH. BECAUSE IN THE PRICE I LEASED A CAR FOR MY OWN PERSONAL USE YEARS AGO AND I HATED IT. I THOUGHT I GOT RIPPED OFF, I SPENT A TON OF MONEY ON IT. AND THEN WHEN THE LEASE CAME DUE, I BASICALLY THOUGHT I WAS BUYING THE CAR RIGHT NOW. SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT LEASES. THESE AREN'T THOSE TYPE OF LEASES. THIS ISN'T A PERSONAL I CAN LEASE A CAR. THIS IS A BULK FLEET LEASE PROGRAM, WHICH REALLY IS INDUSTRY STANDARD. THAT'S HOW THOSE AGENCIES AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE DOING IT.

I MEAN, IF THEY CAN GET TO ZERO COST ON ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE, THEN. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF IT IN SOME WAYS. IT'S JUST A NO BRAINER. WE CAN'T I WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? I SAW THIS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I WAS HIGHLY SKEPTICAL GOING INTO THIS SAYING, WHERE'S THE INTEREST RATE? WHERE'S THE LIKE IT WASN'T THERE. AND SO I'M LIKE, HOW DO THEY MAKE MONEY? HOW DO THEY GET IT OUT OF IT? IT'S BECAUSE OF THEIR ABILITY TO BUY IN VERY LARGE QUANTITIES.

AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS THAT WE WENT FROM A HUGE LIKE THE MRF WHEN BEFORE YOU CAME, LIKE YOUR FIRST YEAR OF MURF, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR PAYMENT WAS? 4 OR 5. IT WAS MUCH. YOU'RE CORRECT. IT WAS MUCH LOWER. MY ONLY POINT WAS THAT IT WAS NOT HIGH ENOUGH AT THAT TIME. EVEN, EVEN EVEN TO DO THE PROGRAM THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. IT WAS NOT HIGH ENOUGH.

AND MCBRIDE WAS VERY MUCH NEVER ONE TO TRY TO ROCK THE BOAT WITH MONEY WHEN EVEN WHEN THERE

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THIS LAST YEAR WAS 1.3 MILLION, NOT INCLUDING SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES. BUT THE BIGGEST CHANGE IN THAT PRICE ISN'T NECESSARILY WHETHER YOU'RE LEASING OR BUYING. MY POINT IS WE WOULD BUY THE RETENTION SCHEDULE, RIGHT. AND, AND THE RECOMMEND FROM EVERYONE IS SEVEN YEARS.

WE'RE STILL HIRING THAT RETENTION SCHEDULE. THE CITY WAS RETAINING THOSE CARS THAT THEY WERE RETAINING MY CAR. I PERSONALLY HAVE I'M GOING TO DRIVE IT TILL THE WHEELS FALL OFF AND IT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE. AND THAT WORKS FOR ME AS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT THINKING THESE ARE NOT THOSE TYPE OF CARS. THEY NEED TO BE ROTATED OUT EVERY SEVEN YEARS TO ROTATE THEM OUT EVERY EIGHT YEARS, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN WHAT THE INDUSTRY RECOMMENDS. THAT'S THE CHANGE IN PRICE. IT'S NOT WHETHER WE LEASE OR BY, IT'S IT'S HOW LONG WE WANT TO KEEP THE CAR. SO $1 MILLION HERE AND $1 MILLION IN PAYMENTS ON THE BUILDING. SO IT'S IT'S AN EVER CHANGING CALCULATION BECAUSE PRICES CHANGE. IF PRICES WERE FIXED, I COULD NAIL IT DOWN TO THE PAYING OF HOW WE WANT TO DO THIS. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY CLEAR REPRESENTATION OF WHAT I MEAN, THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE SPEND ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR GENERAL FUND IS DRAMATICALLY INCREASED. AND IT'S THESE TWO THINGS THAT I SEE AS THE BUILDING, AND IT'S THESE CARS. AND WE WENT FROM NOT HAVING ANY PAYMENTS ON A BUILDING, AND THEN WE WENT TO CAR PAYMENTS FROM 300,000 TO 1,000,003. SO WE HAVE $2 MILLION IN THE BUDGET THAT'S INCREASED OUT OF THAT, AND WE GET A LOT OUT OF IT. SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED. BUT THAT CAME AS A COST TO GENERAL FUND DOLLARS. POLICE DEPARTMENT, 100% OF GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT. I'VE NEVER MADE ANY. WE WE DON'T COLLECT REVENUE. WE DON'T MAKE REVENUE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T FIND ANY. WE DON'T GET PAID FOR FIGHTING WILDFIRES, EVEN THE FIRE. WE DON'T GET PAID FOR EMS STUFF WE DON'T GET CAN'T CHARGE FOR GOLFING. IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO. WE'RE THE. WE'RE THE ONE DEPARTMENT THAT'S. WE GET. OUR REVENUES INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT IT'S NOT THAT TYPE OF REVENUE. IT'S COST SHARING WITH BONNEVILLE COUNTY. IT'S COST SHARING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. COST SHARING IN THE CITY. THAT'S CHANGED FOR YOU TOO. SO I'M SURE THAT'S SO THERE'S THREE INPUTS THAT THE COUNCIL REALLY HAS ON THE VEHICLE PROGRAM IS HOW LONG DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THE VEHICLES? HOW MANY OFFICERS DO YOU WANT TO HAVE? HOW DO YOU THEN HAVE VEHICLES AND HOW MANY AND WHAT THAT VEHICLE IS? THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE INPUTS. OTHER THAN THAT, THIS IS ALL A FINANCING QUESTION. IS THERE ANY SAVINGS IN NOT HAVING DETECTIVES, NOT HAVING EVERY LIKE, WHAT'S THAT THOUGHT PROCESS? YOU REPEAT THAT, PLEASE. SO THIS MAKES SENSE FOR YOUR PATROL PEOPLE, RIGHT? BUT DETECTIVES AND OTHER FOLKS LIKE ARE THEY ALL NEED AN INDIVIDUAL CAR. TYPICALLY, IF YOU'RE ON A FLEET CAR SYSTEM, IT'S THE PATROL VEHICLES THAT A FLEET CAR AND YOU STILL HAVE A TAKE HOME CAR OR VEHICLE FOR YOUR DETECTIVES. DETECTIVES ARE CALLED OUT QUITE REGULARLY. AND SO THEY'RE LEAVING THEIR HOME, GO TO WORK. AND THAT'S NOT LIKE A EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, THAT'S A REGULAR PROCESS. SO USUALLY IF YOU RUN A FLEET CAR SYSTEM, YOUR DETECTIVES, YOUR SWAT TEAM MEMBERS, YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TAKE HOME CAR FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING CALLED OUT WITH SOME FREQUENCY. YOU CAN ADJUST THOSE, THOSE WHO GETS IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT NORMALLY DETECTIVES WOULD STILL HAVE A TAKE HOME CAR, EVEN IN A FLEET CAR SYSTEM, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE CALL OUT PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I HAD ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, I SIGNED AN ACCOUNTANT AND DO ANALYSIS ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAKE HOME AND FLEET. IT COMES DOWN TO ABOUT THE SAME. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CALCULATE IT ON EITHER SIDE, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO TIME FOR

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IT'S NOT REALLY A PRICE DISCUSSION. AND I'M NOT ONE TO TRY TO GET RID OF THE SYSTEM WE HAVE. I JUST TO GET YOU TO A FIVE YEAR, LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO GET TO STANDARD, THERE WAS THERE'S SOME SAVINGS, I THOUGHT, BUT IT'S NOT. WE WOULD HAVE TO. I MEAN, I THINK NOW WITH THE NEW POLICE STATION, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ON PARKING SECURITY GETTING SUCH THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, WHAT, 70, 60 TO 70 PARKING SPOTS DEDICATED FOR THAT ROTATION. DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT THOSE SHOWS. BECAUSE CONFERENCES I SEE YOU. YEAH, ACTUALLY NOT A MONEY QUESTION, BUT WHEN AUTO MANUFACTURERS MAKE A CAR FOR THESE LEASING COMPANIES, LIKE YOU SAID, 700 OR WHATEVER, IS THAT EXACTLY THE SAME VEHICLE THAT COMES TO YOUR LOCAL DEALERSHIP? OR DO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE HIGHER STANDARD? NO. SO LIKE THE POLICE INTERCEPTOR, THE FORD, I TOOK A COUPLE. YOU HAVE TO DO PURSUIT TRAINING A COUPLE. YOU DROVE MY CAR. I THINK THE MAYOR DID. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE DID. SO MINE IS A FORD FORD EXPLORER. EXPLORER. INTERCEPTOR? YEAH, MINE'S MINE'S THE FORD EXPLORER THAT YOU WOULD GET OFF THE DEALERSHIP LOT. OKAY. IF I, IF I TAKE MY MY SELECTOR SWITCH AND PUT IT IN SPORT MODE, IT PUTS THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT A POLICE INTERCEPTOR WOULD BE IS JUST PERMANENTLY IN SPORT MODE. SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PURCHASE IT AS A POLICE PACKAGE VEHICLE, IT COMES PERMANENTLY SET IN THAT SPORTS MODE, WHICH IS A PURSUIT RATED VEHICLE. SO THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CAR. YOU CAN JUST GET OFF OF THE CAR LOT AND THE ONES WE GET OFF OF THESE AS A POLICE PACKAGE VEHICLE. THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM. THERE'S ALSO DIFFERENCES IN HOW THEY'RE WIRED. WE JUST TALK ABOUT THAT UPFRONT COSTS. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT YOU PUT INTO INTO A POLICE CAR. THERE'S SO MUCH ELECTRONICS THAT GO INTO IT. SO THERE'S DIFFERENCE IN THEIR CAPACITY TO HANDLE ALL THAT ADDITIONAL TECH THAT GOES INTO THE CAR. THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM. SO IT'S NOT THE SAME AS WE RUN DOWN AND WE BUY A VEHICLE OFF A LOT AND SAY, OH, WELL, UPFIT IT, IT STILL WOULDN'T BE THE SAME VEHICLE WE'RE RELEASING. NO, WE'VE HAD TO DO THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES SIMPLY BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE WITH THE LEASE COMPANIES, WE COULDN'T GET ENOUGH CARS. SO WE HAVE GONE AND DONE SOME OF THOSE. WE'RE OFF THE OFF THE LOT. SOME OF THE SERGEANTS CARS ARE LIKE THAT AS WELL. AGAIN, THAT PUT IT IN SPORT MODE WHEN THEY WHEN THEY ARRIVE, THEY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I REMEMBER THE BLUES BROTHERS AND HE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A COP, MOTOR COP BRAKES AND. WELL AND ANOTHER COMPLICATED ISSUE TO THIS IS ON THE OUTFITTING IS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. YOU CAN'T TAKE AN OUTFIT OF AN OLD VEHICLE AND PUT A NEW VEHICLE BECAUSE THE DIMENSIONS ARE DIFFERENT, THE ELECTRICAL IS DIFFERENT. AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST ALWAYS UPDATING UPFITTING JUST THE WAY IT IS. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN TAKE A BOX OF AN AMBULANCE AND STICK IT ON THAT TRUCK. IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SIZES, DIFFERENT SHAPES. AND SO IT'S HALF THE COST AND THE EFFORTS AS MUCH AS THE CAR ITSELF. YEAH.

SO YEAH, THERE'S, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHOICES, BUT THE CHOICES ARE LIKE THE SERVICE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, TYPE OF VEHICLE. THAT'S KIND OF THE CHOICES WE HAVE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS DICTATED BY MARKET. AND WE SWITCHED LEASING COMPANIES, WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO OR SO. WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR WHO'S GOT THE BEST SERVICE, THE BEST VALUE, THE BEST DEAL. OKAY. ARE YOU READY FOR THIS? WELL, WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION HERE OR. NO, THERE'S NOT A MOTION HERE. WE WILL SEE THIS COME TO A THURSDAY NIGHT. DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR US AUTHORIZES TO HIRE THIS CONVERSATION. THIS WILL COME TO COUNCIL MEETING WILL COME TO WELL IT'LL AS A PURCHASE AS A PURCHASE. SO THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM. THAT COMES REALLY QUICK. AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET IT BEFORE A COUNCIL MEETING. WHAT COUNCIL HAS DONE THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS PASSED IT NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER. THAT NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER WOULD BE $1,850,000. THAT ALLOWS US TO GO OUT AND MAKE THOSE LEASES.

AND THEN I HAVE COME BACK AND REPORTED MY COUNCIL LIAISONS. THIS IS WHAT WE DID. AND WE WERE WITHIN THAT 1.85. SO I WOULD LOOK FOR AUTHORIZATION. IS THAT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT? DIRECTOR. I MEAN, IT'S GOOD. I WELL, I'LL SAY IT THIS WAY. IT'S GOING TO COME TO COUNCIL ON A THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING, WHETHER IT'S CONSENT, WHETHER IT'S A NOT TO EXCEED, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, TO TO PROCUREMENT. HOW IS THE LEASING CONTRACTS COMES IN AT 1C2Z SO NOT COMING TOGETHER. AND SO WE ADD THEM UP TOGETHER TO SEE IF THEY WERE WITHIN WHAT

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SO IT WOULDN'T BE THIS WEEK. IT WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE. IT COULD BE THIS ONE. WE HAVE TIME TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA. YEAH WE HAVE I MEAN IF WE GET THEM, WE USUALLY BY TUESDAY WE'RE PUSHING IT. LIKE IF WE CAN GET IT ON JUST THE MEMO, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE BULK OF THE MEMO WRITTEN RIGHT HERE. SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE COULD JUST TAKE THE VALUES IN THERE, PUT THE VALUES IN AND THE NUMBER AND, AND JUST REUSE THE. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. YEP.

ALL. OKAY. JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE TO FRAME THIS AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE. READERS, I KNOW THAT THE CHIEF HAS SPOKEN TO HIS LIAISON'S AND HIM AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT TOO. I WILL LET I WILL LET HIM USE ALL OF HIS LANGUAGE. BUT AT ONE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THIS CONVERSATION JUST SO THAT WE COULD EVALUATE WHETHER FLOCK OR ANY OTHER COMPANY WAS GOING TO BE A BETTER FIT FOR THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. WE ARE REFRAMING THAT CONVERSATION SO THAT WE SAY, WHAT DOES IDAHO FALLS WANT AND NEED? AND, AND THEN WE CAN GO OUT TO A VENDOR AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY FIT OUR NEEDS RATHER THAN TRY AND ALWAYS TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW THEIR CONTRACTS ARE CHANGING. SO, CHIEF, I WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU. BUT THE CHIEF HAS GIVEN THIS SUCH SUBSTANTIAL WORK. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT HOW MANY TIMES HE HAS REACHED OUT TO THE PUBLIC, BEEN SPEAKING WITH THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL. I DO THINK THAT THE CHIEF IS CUTTING EDGE OF THIS, AND WHATEVER IDAHO FALLS DOES MIGHT END UP ULTIMATELY BEING WHAT THE STATE DOES. JUST TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE OF HOW HARD HE HAS WORKED ON THIS. SO THANK YOU. MOM TOLD ME SOMETIMES I WORK TOO HARD, I SHOULD WORK A LITTLE SMARTER. SO I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO DO GOOD FOR YOU. FIRST OFF, GELATIN. YOU CAN BUY GELATIN AT THE STORE. USUALLY YOU WOULD CALL IT JELLO, PROBABLY BECAUSE WE ALL CALL IT JELLO, BUT IT'S REALLY GELATIN. JELLO IS A BRAND OF GELATIN. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS. FLOCK IS ONE COMPANY THAT MAKES AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS. THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE. AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD FLOCK VERY OFTEN. I'M GOING TO TALK AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS, AND THERE'S A REASON I'M GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY. SO ALPR IS THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE DO HAVE ALPR, AS YOU KNOW, WE UTILIZE THEM FOR INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY. THEY MAXIMIZE EFFORTS, EFFICIENCY. THEY DO HELP US SOLVE CRIMES.

I'LL TALK A BIT ABOUT THAT AND TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. HOW THESE THINGS WORK. IS A VEHICLE PASS A CAMERA. THERE'S 13 CAMERAS IN IDAHO FALLS. IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT SOME ONLINE PLACES, SAY, WE HAVE 20 CAMERAS, WE DON'T HAVE 20 CAMERAS. THE SHERIFF'S GOT A BUNCH OF CAMERAS. THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN HAMMOND, BUT I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT ALL OF THEM. BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE THE SHERIFF'S CAMERAS, AND WE HAVE 13. THE CAMERA CAPTURES A PICTURE OF THE BACK OF THE CAR. IT CAPTURES THE VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS. THE VEHICLE MATCHES A WANTED VEHICLE, OR THERE'S AN INVESTIGATIVE SEARCH. THE OFFICERS RECEIVED THE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, CAPTURE THAT VEHICLE. THEN THE OFFICERS INVESTIGATING USE TRADITIONAL POLICE TECHNIQUES TO TAKE THAT AS A LEAD GENERATOR. THEY TAKE THAT LEAD AND INVESTIGATE THE CRIME. SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY CAPTURE STILL IMAGES OF THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE ON A PUBLIC ROAD. I GET ASKED OFTEN THAT SOMETIMES THIS IS A VIOLATION OF RIGHTS. WHAT I WHAT I TRY TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IS YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY ON A PUBLIC ROAD. I THINK SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY ON A PUBLIC ROAD. BUT. BUT THERE NEVER HAS BEEN.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU SEE PEOPLE IN CARS DOING WEIRD THINGS, I'LL SEE PEOPLE IN THE CAR, YOU KNOW, DOING THEIR HAIR, DANCING TO THEIR MUSIC IN THEIR CAR. EVERY NOW AND AGAIN THERE, THE OLD SEINFELD BIT WAS A PICK OR A SCRATCH. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CARS. ANY ONE OF YOU OR ANYONE CAN. I JUST SAW A CAR DRIVE PAST IN THIS WINDOW. I'M LOOKING OUT. I COULD HAVE TAKEN A PICTURE OF IT, OR WE COULD GO OUT ON THE ON THE SIDEWALK AND RECORD ALL THE CARS COMING THROUGH IT. IT'S A PUBLIC SPOT.

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IT WOULD CAPTURE THAT BUMPER STICKERS AS WELL. IT'S A IT'S A FIXED LOCATION STILL IMAGE. SO THERE'S 13 LOCATIONS. WE'RE TAKING THESE PICTURES. IT'S A STILL IMAGE OF THAT CAR. ALPERS DO NOT THEY DON'T USE FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE. THEY DO NOT IDENTIFY DRIVERS OR PASSENGERS. THEY DON'T RECORD AUDIO, VIDEO OR LIVE STREAM. THEY DON'T MONITOR SPEED. THEY CAN'T PAN, ZOOM OR TILT. I DON'T NO ONE HAS CONTROL OVER IT. WE CAN'T MOVE THE CAMERA TO FOLLOW A CAR DOWN THE ROAD. WE CAN'T MOVE THE CAMERA TO LOOK AT THE HOUSE OR THE CHURCH OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT'S IT'S A FIXED LOCATION THAT CAN'T BE MANIPULATED. AND IT'S TAKEN ONE ONE PICTURE. CHIEF, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES. ARE THERE PRIVATE CAMERAS OUT THERE? ALSO, THERE ARE LOTS OF PRIVATE CAMERAS. MOTOROLA FLOCK. ALL THESE COMPANIES HAVE PRIVATE PART OF THEIR BUSINESS AS WELL. I SAW ONE IN THE PARKING LOT OF A OF A RETAIL STORE THE OTHER DAY, AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS ONE OF OURS, BUT NO, MOST MOST OF THE BIG BOX STORES HAVE A LICENSE PLATE READER. WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND IS PEOPLE COME TO THEIR STORES. SOMETIMES THEY STEAL STUFF AND THEY DON'T LIKE THAT. SO THEY'RE USING IT TO TRY TO PROTECT THEIR BUSINESS AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, BANKS, THEY USE THEM, REPOSSESSION COMPANIES USE THEM, TOWING COMPANIES USE THEM. THERE IS A TREMENDOUSLY LARGE NUMBER OF PRIVATE USES FOR THE SAME TECHNOLOGY. ALL THESE CAMERAS OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE SEEING ARE NOT NECESSARILY CORRECT. WE HAVE. 13 THE CITY OF. OKAY. WE WOULDN'T IN RETAIL, THOUGH. WE WOULD NEVER USE ALPR FOR ANY KIND OF TRYING TO GET PEOPLE FROM THEFT. WE MIGHT DO IT FOR ACCIDENTS AND FIGHTS, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU WOULDN'T USE THE CAMERA.

NOT BECAUSE NOT THE LICENSE PLATE READERS, BUT TO LIKE IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT AS THEY'RE WALKING OUT TO THEIR CAR TO ALERT OTHER STORES. BUT BECAUSE OF THE LAWS AROUND SHOPLIFTING AND HAVING TO BE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE VISUALS OF THEM TAKING AND THEN STAYING WITH IT OR ELSE YOUR CASE FALLS APART. INTERESTING. SO I DON'T THINK THERE PROBABLY IS MUCH FOR THEFT OUT OF THE STORE. I THINK THEY'RE USED FOR PEOPLE STEALING CARS OR SAFETY OF VEHICLES IN THEIR PARKING AT THIS POINT. SO THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT IT GETS. WE SHOWED THIS PICTURE DURING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ONCE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC TO SEE. SO THIS IS AN IP CAR. IF YOU RECALL, THIS IS OUR CAR THAT WAS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT. THE FRONT PLATE CAME OFF OF IT AND WHEN THE FRONT PLATE CAME OFF OF IT, SO ON CANVAS STOLE OUR FRONT PLATE AND THE PERSON RAN OFF WITH OUR FRONT PLATE. SO WE LISTED OUR PLATE AS STOLEN. SHAME ON US. WE DIDN'T TAKE THE PLATE OFF OF OUR CAR, SO OUR CAR GOES THROUGH AND HITS ON THE LICENSE PLATE READER, AND THE OFFICERS GET AN ALERT THAT THERE IS A STOLEN CAR GOING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. THE OFFICERS ALL SHOW UP TO FIND THE STOLEN CAR AND THEY SAY, WE CAN'T FIND IT. AND IT KEEPS HITTING OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR IT. AS IT TURNS OUT, IT WAS OUR CAR. I SHARE THIS ONE BECAUSE I'M COMFORTABLE SHARING THE ID CARD IN GENERAL. I WOULDN'T SHARE OTHER PEOPLE'S VEHICLES, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. THE. IT WAS LOADED AND WENT THROUGH THE. IT WENT THROUGH THE SYSTEM. IT NOTIFIED.

AND THIS IS THE PICTURE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE. THAT'S WHAT IT CAPTURES. SO HOW IT HELPS IDAHO FALLS. IT HELPS US LOCATE STOLEN VEHICLES. I'LL TELL A COUPLE STORIES HERE IN A MINUTE.

IT HELPS LOCATE VEHICLES CONNECTED TO VIOLENT CRIMES. IT. IDENTIFY SUSPECTS, ASSIST IN LOCATING MISSING AND ENDANGERED PEOPLE. IT PROVIDES INVESTIGATIVE LEADS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S NO WITNESSES TEAMS. THERE'S WITNESSES. IT HELPS PROVIDE THOSE LEADS BECAUSE WITNESSES SOMETIMES DON'T GET A FULL PLATE OR THEY JUST GIVE US COLORS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT HELPS WITH WITNESSES? YES. DO YOU HAVE QUESTION? YOU SPECIFY VIOLENT CRIMES. IS THAT PART OF THE LAW? NO. MISDEMEANOR FELONY. SO IT HELPS WITH OTHER CRIMES AS WELL. BUT NO CIVIL KIND OF NO CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING. COULD ONLY BE USED FOR TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, MISDEMEANORS AND FELONIES AND ENDANGERED MISSING PEOPLE. SO IT REDUCES INVESTIGATIVE TIME.

I'LL TALK ABOUT AUTOMOBILE HOMICIDE IN A MINUTE AND HELPS BRING OFFENDERS TO JUSTICE.

SOME OF THE PRIVACY CONSIDERATIONS DATA IS AUTOMATICALLY DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS. THE ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM IS RESTRICTED TO AUTHORIZED USERS. SO THAT'S POLICE OFFICERS AND DISPATCHERS. WE HAVE ONE IPD EMPLOYEE, OUR INTEL ANALYST WHO OFTEN

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AND EVERYONE WE'VE EVER AUDITED HAS. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS COMPLIED WITH BOTH IDAHO LAW AND OUR POLICY AS WELL. SO ALL ALERTS GENERATED BY ALPR SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED PROBABLE CAUSE OR REASONABLE SUSPICION BY ITSELF. THIS IS ANOTHER THING WHERE PEOPLE HAVE HEARD THESE HORROR STORIES OF THE LICENSE PLATE READER TO CAPTURE ME, AND I WENT TO PRISON FOR TEN YEARS AND I WAS INNOCENT OF ANYTHING. I EXAGGERATED THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT STORY TOLD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND ALPR IS A INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. IT IS NOT IN AND OF ITSELF GIVING YOU ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A STOP ON A VEHICLE OR TO MAKE AN ARREST. SO IF. IF THERE'S A CAR THAT IS SUSPECTED OF BEING PART OF A, LET'S SAY, A WANTED PERSON, AND WE KNOW THAT THEY DRIVE A CERTAIN CAR, WE'LL PUT THAT LICENSE PLATE INTO THE SYSTEM. IT HITS A LICENSE PLATE READER, IT'LL SEND AN ALERT OUT TO THE OFFICERS. THEY'LL LOOK FOR THAT CAR WHEN THEY FIND THE CAR. WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S ACTUALLY DRIVING THE CAR. WE JUST KNOW THAT THAT CAR IS THERE AND IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE WANTED PERSON. THAT PERSON COULD HAVE LENT THE CAR TO A FRIEND. IT COULD BE MOM THAT'S DRIVING IT. THEY COULD HAVE SOLD THE CAR TWO DAYS AGO. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THAT CAR. SO THE OFFICER HAS TO VISUALLY IDENTIFY WHO WAS IN THE CAR AND SEE THAT IT IS THE ONE PERSON WHICH GIVES THEM PROBABLE CAUSE TO STOP IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO ESTABLISH AN INDEPENDENT REASON TO STOP IT OUTSIDE OF THE PR. YET THE ALPR HIT IS AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD AND DIRECT. THE OFFICER SAYING GO INVESTIGATE DOES NOT REPLACE TRADITIONAL INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES. I'M SEEING. IS IT WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT IF IT WOULD APPEAR THAT SOMEONE WAS PICKED UP USING THIS AS PROBABLE CAUSE, ANY GOOD DEFENSE ATTORNEY WOULD FIGURE THAT OUT IMMEDIATELY? I WOULD THINK SO. I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT IF ALL YOU HAD WAS AN ALPR HIT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD EVER GET IT PAST A PROSECUTING ATTORNEY. TO BRING THE CHARGE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THE CRIME OCCURRED. THIS IS JUST AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. A PR IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING POLICE OFFICERS USED TO DO OR STILL DO. I HAD A SHOTS FIRED CALL. THE SUSPECT VEHICLE WAS A WHITE FORD BRONCO. I MADE THAT UP BECAUSE THAT'S THE FAMOUS IF YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH, THE WHITE FORD BRONCO, RIGHT. BRONCO BRONCO. IT COULD HAVE BEEN COULD HAVE BEEN ANY OTHER CAR. RIGHT. SO AS I'M DRIVING, I'M LOOKING. THERE MIGHT BE 3 OR 4 WHITE FORD BRONCOS WITHIN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS. THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT ACTUAL WHITE FORD BRONCO DID. DID WHAT THE CRIME WAS AS A POLICE OFFICER THOUGH, I'M GOING TO STOP THE CAR BECAUSE I HAVE REASONABLE SUSPICION TO STOP THE CAR, AND THEN I HAVE TO INVESTIGATE. RIGHT. WHERE DID SHE COME FROM? WHO'S IN THE CAR OR ANY GUNS? THERE'S INVESTIGATORS THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S A WHITE FORD BRONCO DOESN'T MEAN YOU COMMITTED THE CRIME. YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH EVIDENCE FOR EVERY ELEMENT OF THE CRIME. THE ALPR IS SIMPLY AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD THAT POINTS THE OFFICER IN A DIRECTION TO INVESTIGATE. THEY HAVE TO USE TRADITIONAL INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES TO THEN ESTABLISH EVIDENCE,

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WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME DUSTING FOR FINGERPRINTS. NO ONE. I CAN REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE IDENTIFIED A SUSPECT. JUST BASED OFF FINGERPRINTS. IT HASN'T HAPPENED FOR YEARS. YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. DNA. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE IDENTIFIED ONE SUSPECT VIA DNA. IT WAS A GOOD IDENTIFICATION. IT WAS A COLD CASE RAPE CASE, AND WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT. AND WE INTERVIEWED HIM THE OTHER DAY. BUT ONE CASE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OFF OF DNA 111 FROM THE ALPR SYSTEM, IT IS EXPONENTIALLY THE BEST TOOL THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS GOTTEN IN DECADES. CERTAINLY THE BEST THING SINCE I'VE BEEN A YOUNG POLICE OFFICER. NOW, OF THOSE 111 CASES, THERE'S A COUPLE SOME OF THEM YOU KNOW ABOUT, SOME YOU DON'T. BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND HOW VALUABLE THIS TOOL IS, THERE WAS A KIDNAPED 12 YEAR OLD GIRL. HER KIDNAPERS CONTACTED HER ONLINE, MADE HER RELATIONSHIP WITH HER ONLINE.

SHE HAPPENED TO BE AN IMMIGRANT FAMILY. THEY KIND OF TARGET HER BECAUSE OF THAT. THEY GOT HER TO GO TO A HOTEL ROOM, AND THEN THEY TOOK HER AND WERE TAKING HER OUT OF THE STATE. THE PLAN WITH HER WAS TO PUT HER INTO A SYNDICATE WHERE THEY WOULD TRAFFIC HER FOR SEX FOR MOST OF THE REST OF HER LIFE, THERE WAS A DEPUTY IN SWAN VALLEY THAT MADE A TRAFFIC STOP ON THE CAR AS IT WAS LEAVING THE AREA. IT WAS BEFORE THE CRIME HAD BEEN REPORTED, THOUGH, SO NO ONE KNEW THAT THE KIDNAPING HAD OCCURRED. BUT WE KNEW WHO WAS IN THE CAR. WE KNEW THE TYPE OF CAR AND WHEN WE GOT THE REPORT, WERE ABLE TO TO IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT WE THOUGHT WERE INVOLVED. AND THE DISPATCHER REMEMBERED THAT SAME NAME HAD BEEN STOPPED. WE PUT THAT LICENSE PLATE INTO THE LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEM, AND WE GOT A HIT ON IT AS IT CROSSED OVER INTO COLORADO, WE CALLED UP THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN COLORADO. THEY MADE A STOP ON THAT CAR.

THEY RECOVERED THAT 12 YEAR OLD GIRL. WE WERE ABLE TO REUNITE HER WITH HER FAMILY AND THE TWO SUSPECTS. THE CASE ULTIMATELY GOT ADOPTED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND BEING CHARGED FEDERALLY FOR THE KIDNAPING AND TRAFFICKING ACROSS STATE LINES. IN MY 35 YEARS, I DON'T THINK MORE THAN ONCE OR TWICE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RECOVER A KID LIKE THAT. THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. SO IT'S A HUGE DEAL. THERE WAS A $12,000 E-BIKE AT A LOCAL BUSINESS. A PERSON CAME IN AND STOLE IT. WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT OFF OF THE LICENSE PLATE READER, GO TO THE AGAIN GENERATES THE LEADS. WE WENT TO THE PERSON'S HOUSE AND FOUND THE BIKE THERE. NOW WE HAVE EVIDENCE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE. HERE'S THE BIKE THAT WAS STOLEN.

WHEN YOU GO ARREST THEM JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS A HIT ON THE CAR. WE HAVE TO STILL FOLLOW IT UP. BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO RECOVER THE BIKE AND CHARGE THE CHARGE, THE PERSON FOR THE THEFT. AND THAT'S QUITE A QUITE A LOT OF MONEY. BACK TO THAT BUSINESS. THERE IS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FELON. HE HE HAD HAD A WARRANT OUT FOR HIS ARREST. HAD A WARRANT FOR FIRST DEGREE STALKING. IT WAS A REPEAT USER. HE THREATENED TO COME BACK AND RAPE HIS PERSON. HE WAS ABUSING.

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SEVERAL OF THE OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO DEPLOY THE PLAN TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIND HIM.

STILL TAKE SOME OLD FASHIONED POLICE WORK BECAUSE THE LICENSE PLATE READER CAN DIRECT YOU TO EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND HIM AND ARREST HIM ON HIS WARRANT BEFORE HE COULD GET TO TO HIS VICTIM AND REVICTIMIZED, THERE WAS A RASH OF VEHICLE BURGLARIES ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM. THEY CAME IN WAVES. THE LICENSE PLATE READER IDENTIFIED THE SUSPECT. WE WERE ABLE TO CLEAR DOZENS OF VEHICLE BURGLARIES AND RETURN PROPERTY TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND CLEAR THOSE CASES WITHOUT A LICENSE PLATE. REAR THE AUTOMOBILE HOMICIDE. THIS WAS A HIT AND RUN MOTORCYCLIST WHO WAS STOPPED AT AN INTERSECTION. CAR CAME UP BEHIND IT, HIT IT, THREW THE MOTORCYCLIST THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND KILLED HIM, LEAVING HIS WIFE AND TWO SMALL CHILDREN. THE THE PERSON THAT HIT HIM FLED THE SCENE. WE WERE ABLE TO USE PARTIAL WITNESS STATEMENTS FROM WHAT THEY SAID AND USE THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT. WE'RE ABLE TO FIND THE CAR. AND AGAIN, USING TRADITIONAL POLICE WORK, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE EVIDENCE. HE DIDN'T WANT TO SURRENDER. WE WERE ABLE TO TALK HIM OUT OF THE HOUSE AND TAKE HIM INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT INCIDENT. WE CONCLUDE THAT THE HOMICIDE CASE WAS THAT THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER. THERE WAS ANOTHER DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SUSPECT. HE AGAIN HAD COMMITTED A FELONY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO INTIMIDATE THE WITNESS TO HAVE A WITNESS, NOT TESTIFY IN COURT, AND MADE THREATS TO COME BACK AND HURT THE WITNESS AS HE WAS COMING BACK INTO TOWN AGAIN. OUR ASSUMPTION WAS TO DO WHAT HE SAID HE WAS COMING BACK IN TOWN TO DO. WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE HIM AND ARREST HIM BEFORE HE COULD GET TO HIS VICTIM AGAIN.

THERE WAS A CHILD MOLESTER THAT WAS INDICTED ON 13 COUNTS OF CHILD MOLESTATION. HE HAD FLED IDAHO AND WAS TRYING TO FLEE PROSECUTION WHEN THE INDICTMENT CAME DOWN. WE HAD LOOKED FOR HIS CAR MULTIPLE TIMES AND REALLY COULDN'T FIND HIM. WHEN THE INDICTMENT CAME DOWN, WE PUT THE CAR AGAIN THAT WE HAD ASSOCIATED WITH THEM INTO THE LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEM, AND IT HIT AND WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK IT AND MOVING TOWARDS IDAHO FALLS. WE KNEW HE WAS COMING INTO TOWN. THE DETECTIVE WORKING THE CASE WAS ABLE TO GRAB SOME PEOPLE AND PUT A QUICK OPERATION TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET HIM. THEY DID STOP HIM ONCE HE GOT INTO IDAHO FALLS.

THEY ARRESTED HIM ON THE MULTIPLE CHILD SEX ASSAULT COUNTS. THEY ALSO FOUND CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ON HIM AT THE TIME. THEY ALSO FOUND A CHILD SEX DOLL IN THE CAR. THE. THE BEST INFORMATION THE DETECTIVES HAD FROM THE GPS SYSTEM THE SUSPECT WAS USING WAS. HE WAS TRYING TO GET BACK TO HIS VICTIM'S HOUSE. WHY? THAT SUSPECT CHOSE TO GO TO THE VICTIM'S HOUSE RIGHT AFTER HE WAS INDICTED FOR THE CRIME. ONE COULD ONLY GUESS. MY GUESS IS SOMETHING BAD WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT VICTIM. AND THAT LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEM ALLOWED US TO STOP HIM AND GET HIM ARRESTED. THERE WAS A FREQUENT FLEEING, ELUDING SUSPECT. IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS WHEN PEOPLE RUN FROM US. IT'S DANGEROUS FOR PEOPLE THAT RUN FROM US. IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE OFFICERS. IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. WE HAVE POLICIES AROUND IT, BUT IT'S JUST DANGEROUS. HE HAD HE HAD RUN FROM US MULTIPLE TIMES. WE WERE ABLE TO TO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CHASE HIM AROUND AND PUT EVERYONE IN DANGER. HE WAS THE ALPR SYSTEM WE LOCATED AND WERE ABLE TO GET HIM STOPPED THROUGH A BEAUTIFUL PIN, WHICH IF YOU EVER WANT TO COME AND TRAIN WITH US, I'LL SHOW YOU HOW THEY DO A PIN, WHICH IS REALLY NICE. THEY ARRESTED HIM FOR HIS WARRANTS AND HE ALSO HAD WEAPONS IN HIS CAR. SO THEY GOT THE WEAPONS CHARGE AS WELL.

AND THERE WAS ANOTHER CASE WHERE A GUY WAS DRIVING AROUND TOWN WITH A SHOTGUN, SHOOTING THINGS UP THE SHOTGUN. WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT THROUGH THE ALPR SYSTEM AND GET THAT PERSON ARRESTED AS WELL. SO THERE'S 111 PLUS OF THESE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES OF THE LPR SYSTEM. THAT'S JUST A FLAVOR OF WHAT THEY ARE. IT HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL TOOL FOR IMPD. AND IT'S PROTECTED PEOPLE AND PUT SOME REALLY BAD PEOPLE THAT NEEDED TO BE IN JAIL. IN JAIL. SOME GENERAL THOUGHTS. I'VE BEEN AROUND TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT THIS, AND THESE ARE KIND OF KIND OF PHILOSOPHICAL A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE IDEA THAT I HEAR POLICE STATE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TURNING INTO A POLICE STATE. YOU HAVE THESE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEMS. WE'RE JUST TURNING INTO A POLICE STATE. WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE AT A POLICE STATE, I KIND OF I KIND OF WONDER WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. I JUST WANT TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE. I'M GOING TO I'M RIGHT NOW, I'M WILLING TO MAKE ANYONE A BET. I SHOULD ONLY BET

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AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE UPSET THAT WE CAN'T GET TO EVERYBODY. MY POINT IS SAYING THAT IS IF I IF I TOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE CALL UP AND SAY THEY NEED A POLICE OFFICER IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING DOWN THE ROAD, HOW MANY OF THE E-BIKES ARE OUT THERE CRUISING AROUND, POPPING WHEELIES, DOING ALL SORTS OF STUFF. SPEEDERS RUNNING RED LIGHTS. WE ARE SO FAR FROM A POLICE STATE, I CAN'T I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE OR ANYTHING TO, TO, TO, TO STOP A LOT OF THAT STUFF. DO THE BEST WE CAN. WE HAVE FOUR, SIX OFFICERS, SOMETIMES 7 OR 8 DEPENDING ON THE DAY OUT AT ANY GIVEN TIME. THEY'RE MOSTLY ALL ON CALLS. WE ARE SO FAR FROM A POLICE STATE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THAT. WHAT THESE ALPR SYSTEMS DO IS THEY ALLOW US TO ARREST A CHILD MOLESTER. NOW THEY ALLOW US TO TO GET A SUSPECT IN A STOLEN E-BIKE. THEY ALLOW US TO SOLVE CRIMES. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY IN THE REALM OF A POLICE STATE. AND THEN IN AMERICA, I LOVE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. I'M I GUESS I'M BIASED BECAUSE I'M AN AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, BUT I LOVE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. OUR OUR, OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS VERY SPECIFICALLY FOR A REASON. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER, AFTER MENTIONED THAT WHEN YOU WENT TO THE SISTER CITIES, THEIR POLICE ARE NOT PART OF THEIR CITY.

TRADITIONALLY IN UNITED STATES, WE PUT THE POLICING POWER AT THE LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT AS CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHY CITIES HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE THERE'S NO CITY. A COUNTY DOES IT. RIGHT. IT'S YOU'RE VERY IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT THE IDAHO STATE POLICE ARE GOING TO COME AND INVESTIGATE ANY CRIME THAT YOU MIGHT REPORT.

RIGHT. THEY WILL COME AND HELP THE CITIES OR HELP THEM WHEN THEY GET WHEN THEY GET OVERWHELMED. THEY'LL DO THE DRUG INVESTIGATIONS. THEY HAVE THEIR ROLE. BUT IF YOU'RE CALLING 911, IT'S VERY UNLIKELY UNLESS YOU'RE ON THE HIGHWAY, THAT'S GOING TO BE. IDAHO STATE POLICE WILL PUT THAT IN ITS. IT'S ALMOST NEVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO COME.

RIGHT. THEY DON'T INVESTIGATE THINGS LIKE WE DO THAT POLICING POWER IS PUT AT THE LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE. THAT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE NORMALLY THAT LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE IS THE MOST RESPONSIVE TO THE PEOPLE.

AND SO WITH ESPECIALLY WITH LICENSE PLATE READERS, EVEN IN THE DEBATE I DID THE OTHER NIGHT WAS THE RYAN MCKELLAR. YOU KNOW, HE EVEN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT THESE THINGS UP. DID YOU GUYS HAVE CHANGED WHAT YOU DO? WE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO WHAT WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING, OR AT LEAST TRIED TO BE RESPONSIVE AND MAKE CHANGES WHERE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE, THEY WERE APPROPRIATE. THAT'S BY DESIGN. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST RESPONSIVE LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSEST TO PEOPLE TRADING LIBERTY FOR SECURITY. I GUESS THAT DEPENDS ON PEOPLE'S DEFINITION OF LIBERTY. I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN ANY VOLUME OF TRAFFIC DECREASE IN ANY OF THE INTERSECTIONS. THE CAMERAS OF THAT. PEOPLE ARE STILL MOVING ABOUT TOWN AND STILL DRIVING AROUND. WE'RE TAKING THE SAME NUMBER OF TRIPS. PEOPLE ARE STILL FREE AND HAVE THE LIBERTY TO DO EVERYTHING THEY WERE DOING IN THE PAST. THE ONLY SECURITY THEY'RE GIVING UP IS IF THEY COMMIT A CRIME. THEY MIGHT GET CAUGHT, BUT THERE IS NO TRADE OFF OF LIBERTY OTHER THAN THAT, WITH MASS SURVEILLANCE. YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT GETS DOWN TO YOUR DEFINITION OF SURVEILLANCE. AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, IT TAKES A SNAPSHOT IN TIME. SO A PICTURE OF A CAR AS IT WENT THROUGH ONE LOCATION, A SNAPSHOT OF TIME SURVEILLANCE HAS BEEN DEFINED AS SOMETHING MUCH MORE INTRUSIVE THAN THAT OF FOLLOWING YOU AROUND, WATCHING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND SEEING YOUR MOVEMENTS. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT IN TIME. YOU KNOW, THE DIFF LOCK MOVEMENT. THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO TRY TO TO PITCH TO CITY COUNCIL THAT PERHAPS A GOOD USE OF, OF YOUR AUTHORITY AND YOUR TIME IS TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT REGULATES LICENSE PLATE READERS INSTEAD OF PICKING WHICH VENDOR WE MAY OR MAY NOT USE THE D FLOCK. IDAHO IS CALLED D FLOCK. THAT'S KIND OF A CATCHY NAME. D FLOCK, BUT IT'S REALLY DALPR. I REALLY LIKE OUR OUR COLLEAGUES IN CALDWELL. THEY WENT FROM FLOCK TO AXON. AND THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN BACK FROM THAT IS THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WERE ASKING ABOUT FLOCK ARE PRETTY MUCH SAYING, WELL, YOU JUST SWITCHED OUT FLOCK FOR ANOTHER COMPANY. THAT WAS BASICALLY THE SAME THING. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

SO I'M NOT SURE IT'S REALLY FLOCK. I THINK IT'S ALPER'S FLOCK HAS TO BE ONE ALPR COMPANY. BUT I THINK I THINK THAT FLOCK MOVEMENT REALLY IS THEY JUST DON'T LIKE ALPR IN

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THAT SHARING OF THE DATA IS REALLY A KEY THING FOR US. BUT CRITERIA FOR HOW THAT DATA IS SHARED, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IS THAT THE IN THE ORDINANCE, IT REQUIRE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SHARE DATA WITH AN AGENCY, THAT AGENCY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE IN WRITING TO ABIDE BY THE STANDARDS IN IDAHO LAW AND WHATEVER ORDINANCE THE CITY OF IDAHO PASSES. SO I THINK IDAHO FALLS OUGHT TO HAVE ITS OWN ORDINANCE WITH THOSE CRITERIA IN IT THAT REGULATES THE USE OF ALPERS. AND THEN WE WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO FIND A VENDOR THAT WOULD FIT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT SET FORTH IN THAT ORDINANCE. ANY QUESTIONS UP UNTIL THERE THEN I CAN GO ON AND TALK ABOUT SOME SPECIFIC VENDORS HERE IN A MINUTE. OKAY. YES. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER COUNTY CITIES THAT HAVE PUT ORDINANCES IN PLACE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING? STATES HAVE. I'M SURE SOMEONE HAS AROUND THE COUNTRY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN IDAHO HAS. I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT CIVILIANS HAVING ACCESS TO THE DATA THAT YOU CAN GET ON THE WEB PAGE SOMEHOW AND ACCESS THIS DATA. IS THAT TRUE? NO. THE OUTCOME OF IT? NO. SO THERE'S THERE'S ALL OF THESE LICENSE PLATE READERS HAVE TWO SIDES TO THEIR COMPANIES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES. SO THERE ARE LOTS OF ABILITIES TO ACCESS THAT THAT CIVILIAN DATA SET. SO SOME OF OUR BIG BOX STORES HAVE A PRS AUTO COMPANIES HAVE ALPR.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE DATA AND REGULAR CITIZENS CAN ACCESS THAT AS THE COMPANY ALLOWS THEM TO DO IT. YEAH, BUT NOT OUR DATA, NOT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA. WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE FLOCK TRANSPARENCY PAGE. AND SO THERE IS SOME DATA PUT OUT ON THE FLOCK TRANSPARENCY PAGE. AND PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FLOCK TRANSPARENCY DATA. AND I HAVE ONE MORE, AND I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW THE IDEA, THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE BAD GUYS WILL JUST BE CHANGING THE BACK LICENSE PLATE, RIGHT? SO THE BAD GUYS WILL COME UP WITH A LOT OF WAYS TO TO, AND THIS IS A STORY AS OLD AS TIME. SOME, SOME BAD GUYS STARTED TAKING PLATES OFF THEIR CAR, SWITCHING PLATES, THINGS LIKE THAT. FROM A POLICING PERSPECTIVE THOUGH, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLATE ON YOUR CAR, I'M GOING TO STOP YOU THAT JUST. AND IF YOU HAVE THE WRONG PLATE ON YOUR CAR, I'M GOING TO STOP YOU.

RIGHT? SO THAT GETS ME ALL THE WAY TO PROBABLE CAUSE. I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, AND THEN I'LL FIGURE OUT WHY. WHY THE LICENSE PLATE READER WOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR YOU ANYWAY. SO EVEN IF THE BAD GUYS DO THINGS TO TRY TO AVOID THESE THINGS, IT SETS THEM APART AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO CATCH THEM. OKAY. THANKS, COUNCILMEMBER. REASONABLE SUSPICION FOR STANDARD OF USE. WHY NOT JUST INCLUDE A WARRANT? SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE WARRANT ISN'T REQUIRED BY THE CONSTITUTION. THIS IS ALREADY IFP DATA. WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE A WARRANT FOR US TO GO INTO THE DRIVER'S LICENSE DATABASE. WE

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AND SO TO IF WE WERE IF WE GOT A WARRANT, THE WARRANT REQUIREMENT IS GOING TO SHUT DOWN ALL OF THE USE OF LICENSE PLATE READERS FOR FOR DRUG TRAFFICKING. IT'S GOING TO OPEN THAT UP AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO, TO, TO GET INTO TOWN WITHOUT US KNOWING ABOUT ON DRUG TRAFFICKING. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE WARRANT, WE JUST ARREST THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT'S AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. SO THE PROPER STANDARD FOR THE LICENSE PLATE READER, IN MY OPINION, IS REASONABLE SUSPICION. THAT'S WHERE IT FITS. IT'S THE SAME WAY IF I'M THE OFFICER ON THE STREET. IT WOULD BE REASONABLE SUSPICION IF I SAW THE CAR RIGHT THERE IN THE MOMENT. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CALL FOR WARRANT. WHAT THE THE REASON I THINK IT APPLIES IS IN CARPENTER 2018. IT TALKS ABOUT THAT THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRACKING PEOPLE'S LOCATIONS, THAT WAS A CELL PHONE TRACKING SITUATION. AND THEY SAID THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WARRANT BECAUSE IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GETTING PICTURES CONSISTENTLY, THEN WE'RE CREATING A UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURE BECAUSE IN UNDER THAT PROTECTIONS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THIS DATA AND IT'S SEARCHABLE. SO WE HAVE THIS ABILITY TO SEARCH. THAT'S BEYOND THE CONSTITUTIONAL APPROACH. SO I THINK THE CASE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WASN'T TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE DATA. SO WITH THE WITH THE CELL PHONE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LICENSE PLATE READER DATA AND THE CELL PHONE. THE CELL PHONE WOULD BE YOUR PRIVATE DATA. IT'S CLEARLY IT'S CLEARLY PROTECTED BY THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. IT CLEARLY WOULD REQUIRE A WARRANT TO GET YOUR CELL PHONE AS PART OF YOUR. YOU HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY. MY CELL PHONES EVEN GOT A LOCK ON IT. SO WHEN YOU PULL IT UP, YOU CAN'T GET INTO IT. IT'S REALLY HARD. THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY TO YOUR CELL PHONE. ALTHOUGH YOUR CELLPHONE IS TRACKING, YOUR CELL PHONE IS MASS SURVEILLANCE. IT'S TRACKING EVERYTHING. BUT THERE IS AN EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY FOR THAT. SO THE FOURTH AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE A WARRANT TO GET INTO THE CELL PHONE. THE LICENSE PLATE READER DATA IS DIFFERENT. IT IS A AS I EXPLAINED IN THE BEGINNING, YOU DON'T HAVE A. YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY ON A PUBLIC STREET. IT'S TAKING THAT ONE SNAPSHOT IN TIME ON A PUBLIC STREET. BUT I THINK THE CHANGE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT I THINK IN THE PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION OF THAT IS SUDDENLY I HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY OF YOU NOT KNOWING WHERE I'M AT SIX TIMES A DAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. IT'S ONE THING TO SAY, HEY, I SEE YOUR LICENSE PLATE. THAT'S IF I WAS OUT SCANNING AND I WAS AN OFFICER. THAT'S GOOD. BUT NOW YOU SUDDENLY HAVE THIS SUPERHUMAN ABILITY TO KNOW WHERE I WAS AT SIX TIMES. AND THAT BECAUSE OF THE COLLECTION OF PICTURES, I THINK THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT STILL ARE OUT THERE AND THE COURTS WILL HIT AT SOME POINT. I THINK THEY CERTAIN QUESTIONS, AND I'VE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH A LOT OF LEGISLATORS, I, I ASKED THEM, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PREVENT WITH THE WARRANT REQUIREMENT? WHAT IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR MISSION? AND WHAT THEY TELL ME IS WHAT WE WANT TO PREVENT IS THE ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM. WE WANT TO PREVENT THAT SHERIFF RUNNING THAT PERSON FOR SOME TIME. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. BUT I'D ADD ONE MORE THING AND THAT'S PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. WHAT A JUDGE DOES WITH A POLICE GROUP IS SAY THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY, JUST LIKE A GRAND JURY. SO. SO WITH THAT, THE IF I DON'T GET A WARRANT FOR SOMETHING, THE THE REASON THE WARRANT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME IS IT'S OUR OWN DATA. WE'RE GETTING A WARRANT TO LOOK AT OUR OWN DATA. AND THAT JUST SEEMS ODD TO ME. IF IF I ASK MOTOROLA, IF I ASK APPLE, LOOK, I NEED THE INFORMATION ON THE CELL PHONE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE IT TO ME WITHOUT A WARRANT BECAUSE IT'S THEIR DATA. I CAN'T GET IT WITH MY DATA I CAN GET. RIGHT. SO IF MY GOAL IS TO PREVENT THE ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM, AND I SAY YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE WARRANT, THAT WARRANT DOES NOT PREVENT THE ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM. IF I WAS ALREADY WILLING TO BREAK EVERY RULE AND POLICY AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO TO RUN THAT WARRANT. WARRANT WON'T STOP ME FROM DOING THAT. WHAT THE WARRANT DOES IS MAKE IT SO I COULDN'T USE IT IN COURT. AND THEN THE FRUIT OF THE POISONOUS VINE, THERE'S NO ACTUAL SANCTION TO IT. SO IT WOULD NOT STOP ANY OF THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO STOP. SO HAVING SAT NEXT TO A JUDGE WHO'S GETTING WARRANT REQUESTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT LIKE THEY DO HAVE, IT DOES HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY THAT THEY TRUST THE INVESTIGATORS AND THEY TRUST LIKE, SO IF THERE IS A BAD ACTOR AND THE JUDGE THINKS IT'S A BAD ACTOR WITHIN THE SYSTEM, I HAVE NEVER IN MY ENTIRE CAREER HAVE GOTTEN A REFERRAL FROM A JUDGE ABOUT A

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BUT AGAIN, PUBLIC LIKE ARE THEY SEEING IT RIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHEN I HEAR ABOUT IT IS, OH, SURE, THEY'RE AUDITING WHO'S WATCHING THE WATCHERS? WELL, THAT AND WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING AT? AND THAT'S WHY LIKE LOOKING AT THE DATA, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, OR AT LEAST JUST LIKE OUR AUDIT FINANCIALLY, NOT VERY MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE PROBABLY READING THAT 30 PAGE AUDIT. BUT WE ARE RIGHT. AND, AND LOOKING AT ARE THEY LOOKING AT CLOSING OUT INFRASTRUCTURE INVOICES AND MOVING THEM TO FROM WORK ORDERS TO LIKE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE DETAILS MATTER. AND SO HOWEVER WE DO IT SO THAT THOSE DETAILS ARE THERE 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR TEN YEARS OR WHATEVER. YOU WANT ME TO SHARE. GO AHEAD BEFORE YOU GO FORWARD. I WONDER IF WE COULD DISCUSS THIS COUNCIL FOR JUST A MINUTE, THIS IDEA OF WHAT ORDINANCE AND SEE IF THAT'S A DIRECTION WE WANT STAFF TO TAKE OR GET SOME SUPPORT FOR. BECAUSE WHEN IN LIAISON, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO GO, BECAUSE THEN WE SET STANDARDS THROUGH THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT IT'S. WHAT ARE THE REST OF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT CONCEPT STARTING THERE, RATHER THAN ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A VENDOR RIGHT NOW OR ANY TIME, IT ISN'T VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE POLICY YOU HAVE IN PLACE ALREADY. CRIMINAL PENALTIES IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. SO THERE'S THERE'S A BIG CHANGE THERE. BUT YES, I THINK OUR POLICY IS ALREADY DOING A LOT OF THESE THINGS WHEN WE SET IT IN ORDINANCE, RIGHT, IT BECOMES A LAW. IT'S THE LAW. YEAH. BUT ALSO WE SET IT AS A REASONABLE SUSPICION STANDARD IN OUR POLICY. WE'VE GOT POLICIES FOR MOST OF THIS STUFF, BUT THE BIG ONES THAT CRIMINAL PENALTY. I ALSO THINK THAT WHAT WE NEED IS TO NOT JUST TALK ABOUT POLICY, BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A VOTE WHERE WE SAY WE ALLOW THESE

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THE ORDINANCE SHOULD ALSO BE SHOULD WE HAVE THEM DO THE ORDINANCE WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO HAVE IT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS THINKING IN. RIGHT. IN DEVELOPING THE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE THE INPUT OF SAYING, WELL, IT'S GOT TO HAVE THIS CLAUSE IN IT TOO. YEAH. AND THAT'S I MEAN, MY QUESTION IS, DO RESIDENTS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THEIR GOVERNMENT THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH US, YOU KNOW, RECORDING THEIR MOVEMENTS, THEIR VEHICLE MOVEMENTS AND MAKING THOSE SEARCHABLE? BECAUSE I THINK THE SEARCHABILITY AND RECORDING THEIR MOVEMENTS IS A HUGE CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION THAT A COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THESE DOGS. I MEAN, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ALL THE TIME, AND I DO FEEL LIKE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, STILL HAVE ORDINANCE. WHAT I HEAR IS FAR MORE PEOPLE WHO SAY, I'M GLAD WE HAVE THEM. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IT MIGHT BE OPPOSITE, BUT FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT I'M HEARING WAY MORE OF, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO CATCH A CRIMINAL. THAT'S WHAT I HEAR MORE AND MORE OF. SO I KNOW WHEN WE SIT, WHEN WE SIT AT THE DAIS AND PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY, NOBODY APPROVED YOU TO DO IT. I MEAN, WE ARE THE GOVERNING ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND I JUST THINK IF WE HAVE 25 PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY, WE SAID NO, AND THEN WE PASS IT, IT, IT I MEAN, IT'S STILL PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL OF THAT STILL HAPPENS. BUT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HEAR ARE FULLY IN SUPPORT. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN THAT'S WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE. WHAT I THINK IS WE JUST AS A GOVERNING BOARD, WE NEVER HAD THIS CONVERSATION. IT HAPPENED AND THEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, RIGHT? NO, NO, WE DISCUSSED THE CONTRACT. IT WAS UNDER 70,000. REMEMBER FAIRNESS WAS IT? LOOK, THE BUCK STOPS WITH ME AND FAIRNESS, YOU KNOW, I, I BROUGHT THESE CAMERAS TO IDAHO FALLS. I FOLLOWED EVERY RULE THAT WAS APPLICABLE TO THE CITY. IT WAS DONE WITH THE MAYOR, MY COUNCIL LIAISONS, KNOWLEDGE THAT DIDN'T COME TO A FULL COUNCIL MEETING. THAT IS CORRECT, BUT IT WASN'T REQUIRED TO. AND I THINK WITH YOUR WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND WHAT YOU'VE CONVERSED ABOUT, I THINK IT WILL PASS. I THINK EVERYONE I THINK WE'LL GET THERE, BUT I THINK IF WE GIVE THAT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT TO IN THE BACK POCKET OF EVERYONE SAYING YOU DIDN'T ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH AN ELECTION IN THE FALL, LIKE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE GAVE EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS AND HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY. BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE IDEA OF WRITING AN ORDINANCE, DOING IT IN PUBLIC, WORKING IT THROUGH IN A WORK SESSION, HAVING OUR CHANCE TO PUT OUR INDIVIDUAL IDEAS INTO IT. BUT I WANT IT TO BE FRAMED, THAT IT IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE OR NOT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD EITHER AUTHORIZE THE POLICE TO GO FORWARD AND GET A VENDOR THAT MEETS OUR STANDARDS. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, AND I THINK, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I THE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COME TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WHICH WAS FREQUENTLY. YEAH, YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH THEM. I GET TO WALK OUTSIDE ALMOST ALL. I MISSED 1 OR 2, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM. THEY'RE LIKE, LOOK, I'M I STILL REALLY DON'T LIKE THIS. BUT AS YOU EXPLAIN IT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE. I THINK WE CAN GET THERE. BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE, WHEN I, WHEN I SIT DOWN, YOU, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET EVERYONE TO AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S JUST AN UNREALISTIC THING. BUT EVEN THE HARDEST VENUES THAT ARE FOLKS THAT ARE REALLY STACKED AGAINST ANY IDEA I MAY HAVE BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH THE WHOLE CONVERSATION, LIKE, OH, WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WAS WHAT WAS HAPPENING. AND I THINK THE POLLING SHOWS THE SAME THAT WHEN WE GET TO THIS POINT AND WE DO THESE PROTECTIONS, THEN YOU ARE IN THE 8020 CONVERSATION. BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, RECORDING THE MOVEMENTS AND IT'S SEARCHABLE. THAT IS SOMETHING TO DISCUSS. LIKE IT'S NOT A SIMPLE, SIMPLE THING. LIKE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DISCUSSED. AND THEN BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THAT, THEN THESE ARE THE PROTECTIONS AGAINST HAVING SOME BAD ACTOR AND MAYBE SOME MORE LIKE MAYBE IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW, AS WE WORK THERE, MAYBE THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT THIS BECOMES A STANDARD. IF WE CAN GET IT, DO IT CORRECTLY, STATE DOES ONE. THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE IS, IS THAT THIS COULD ACT AS A MODEL ORDINANCE FOR WHAT THE STATE IS GOING TO DO. YOU KNOW, OTHER OTHER AGENCIES. I'VE TALKED WITH MULTIPLE CHIEF SHERIFFS BEFORE I CAME AND SAID, HEY, LET'S DO CRIMINAL PENALTIES. YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO MY GUYS, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. I'M NOT SAYING I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT WE, WE PRETTY MUCH YEAH, THERE SHOULD BE A CRIMINAL PENALTY FOR THAT. IT TICKS US OFF WHEN PEOPLE DO STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, SO IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, OTHER SHERIFFS, OTHER CHIEFS, THESE ARE KIND OF WHERE WE THINK IT'S GOING TO GO. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO SEE THESE THESE THINGS IN PLACE. THE IACP HAS PUT OUT MODEL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT

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I AGREE. SO WHEN YOU SAY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LABRADOR? RIGHT.

HE WOULD PROVIDE INPUT FOR US TO WE COULD SEE WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED TO DRAFT. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT MODIFYING THE STATE LAW TO COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD'S POINT. SOME PEOPLE WANT A WARRANT REQUIREMENT. AND I'VE TALKED TO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT THAT. I'M TRYING NOT TO BE FLIPPANT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE CARTELS GREAT AGAIN, GET THAT THAT WARRANT REQUIREMENT IN BECAUSE THAT'S JUST GOING TO OPEN UP DRUG DEALING IN THE STATE. AND IT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA, AND IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF WHAT WHAT THEY THINK. SO I HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM. THEY WERE VERY OPEN TO, TO THAT, TO THAT THAT IDEA. I'VE GOT A MEETING WITH SEVERAL OF THE LEGISLATORS ON MONDAY THAT ARE ALSO LOOKING AT TRYING TO DRAFT.

THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP OF LEGISLATORS THAT ARE LOOKING AT A COUNTER TYPE OF ORDINANCE THAT MORE MODIFIES THE STATE LAW. WHAT I THINK COULD HAPPEN IS, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMPETING STATE APPROACHES TO THIS. IF IDAHO FALLS HAS ONE THAT WE CAN POINT TO AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS GOING TO WORK. LOOK AT ALL OF THE THINGS WE COULD BE USED AS A MODEL ORDINANCE. THIS IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. OR WE COULD TAKE THE STATE REGARDLESS. LET'S GO. ARE YOU HEARING EXACTLY? ARE YOU HEARING ANYONE JUST TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL LIKE THEY DID WITH TRAFFIC, LIKE FOR SPEEDING? I'VE HEARD THAT FROM 1 OR 2 INDIVIDUALS WHO I DON'T THINK CAN CARRY THE DAY. I THINK EVEN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH RESTRICTION WE'RE PUTTING ON IT, AS OPPOSED TO GETTING RID OF THEM ALTOGETHER, I THINK PEOPLE SEE THE IMMENSE VALUE. LET'S TAKE IT SMART. WHEN YOU YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE KIDS, I KNOW IDAHO FALLS IS A SMALL CITY AND WE'VE GOT THESE HUGE, HUGE CASES. I DIDN'T BRING UP THE MESA, ARIZONA ONE WHERE THE LICENSE PLATE READER STOPPED THE MASS SHOOTING. WHO KNOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED? THE HOMICIDE OUT OF CALDWELL, THEY GOT OUT OF IT. THERE'S SO MANY OTHER CASES AROUND THE STATE, AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT REALLY HAVING AN IMPACT. I DON'T SEE IT GOING AWAY. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MANY HOW MANY SAFEGUARDS ARE PUT AROUND, WHICH I THINK ARE APPROPRIATE.

AND IN LOOKING AT THE ICP MODEL POLICY, IN JUST SO MANY CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH PEOPLE THAT REALLY DON'T THINK THE SAME WAY I DO, WHICH ARE HELPFUL, THESE ONES I'M PROPOSING, THEY COVER WHAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT. IS IT REASONABLE TO TRY TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A SECOND WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER? THAT FEELS HEAVY TO ME. IT SEEMS LIKE LIKE JANUARY WOULD BE MORE REALISTIC, BUT BECAUSE THE LEGISLATOR, THEY DO THE RULES MAKING THAT THEY REALLY THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS ON DAY ONE. YEAH, EXACTLY.

THEY MIGHT INTRODUCE BILLS. SO THEY HAVE THE FIRST 30 DAYS OF JANUARY IS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.

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AND IF IT TAKES US TILL THE END OF JANUARY, THAT IT TAKES US TILL THE PUBLIC OUTREACH TIME FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO. OKAY. I DIDN'T SAY SET THE STANDARD FOR KRATOM. I THINK YOU'VE DONE THIS ON A LOT OF THINGS. AND I THINK THIS IS A HOT TOPIC THAT YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE IN. AND I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE, IF WE JUST SWITCH VENDORS, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TRUTH OF WILL THAT COMPANY REALLY DOES. I'VE GOT ALL THE COMPANIES WANT TO LOOK AT THEM. THEY OPERATE PRETTY MUCH. I MEAN, THEY'LL TELL YOU NUANCED DIFFERENCES. THEY DO PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING IN THE SAME WAY. YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING ANYTHING. BUT THIS, THIS WOULD BE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT YOU THINK.

EARLY ON, BLOCK WASN'T VERY RESPONSIBLE. BUT THEY'RE NOT TOO BAD. THEY DID SOME THINGS STUPIDLY WITH GUINEA, BUT I THINK THEY FIXED THOSE NOW. SO I AS I MENTIONED TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS, I DON'T HAVE ANY STOCK IN IN FLOCK SAFETY. THEY THEY MADE A HUGE MISTAKE IN THAT. THEY FIXED THAT ONE. ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE COMPANIES. THIS BLOCK HAS A TRANSPARENCY PAGE. THE OTHER ONES DON'T. AND THAT'S PART OF WHY FLOCK HAS THE THE FLOCK MOVEMENT ONE. IT'S PRETTY CATCHY, RIGHT? THE NAME IS CATCHY, BUT WHEN YOU REALLY DIVE INTO IT, IT'S A IT'S A DALPR MOVEMENT. IT'S NOT JUST FLOCK SAFETY. SO IF ALL WE DO IS CHANGE COMPANIES, THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCE OPERATIONALLY, HOWEVER, BUT THEY'RE FUNDAMENTALLY SIMILAR. I THINK HAVING AN ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFIES HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED IS ACTUALLY MEANINGFUL, AS OPPOSED TO CHANGING COMPANIES AS COSMETIC. ONE OTHER THING I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IS THE TRAILER IN THIS CONVERSATION AND WHETHER WE WANT TO USE IT. SO WE DON'T WANT TO USE IT. WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THAT TRAILER. WHAT WE WILL DO IS VERY COMMON, AND WE'RE GOING TO ATTACH A CAMERA SYSTEM TO OUR MOBILE COMMAND VEHICLE. AND AS WE PULL THAT MOBILE COMMAND VEHICLE OUT WITH A CAMERA AND USE THAT AS A LIVE CAMERA AND NOT HAVE A TRAILER FOR IT, SO WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE THAT TRAILER. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT WHEN WE WHEN WE GOT THE TRAILER, I HAD AN IDEA IF YOU WANTED TO USE THAT. IT WAS A BRILLIANT IDEA AT THE TIME, THE 2020, THAT WAS A BAD DECISION THAT WE WILL NOT USE IT. IT'S NOT BEEN USED ONCE AND IT WILL BE GOTTEN RID OF. AND WE'RE LIKE, WHY NOT? RIGHT.

OKAY. SO DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE PATH FORWARD THAT THIS DOES BECOME PRIORITY? I MEAN, I KNOW WE KEEP PUSHING ALCOHOL DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I, I DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS THIS IS MORE PRESSING. WE'VE GOT SOME, WE'VE GOT SOME THE ALCOHOL STUFF BEHIND US. SO WE JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT THAT IS WE HAVE PEDS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. THESE ARE SMALL. BUT BUT IF THIS BECOMES THE PRIORITY AND DID EVERYBODY GET THE PED TOUR. YEP. I WAS GOING OKAY. BUT YES, WE COULD STILL I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I WAS I WAS IMPRESSED, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE CBS PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT OUR NEXT WORK SESSION. SO YEAH. OKAY. SO WE DO, WE DO HAVE SOME OF THAT WORK COMING FORWARD, BUT THIS HASN'T THIS HAS A TIMELINE, WHEREAS THE ALCOHOL ORDINANCE DOESN'T. YEAH. IT IS, IT DOES PUSH IT BACK. BUT BUT THIS AT LEAST WE'RE TRYING TO GET PRIOR TO THAT PRIOR, BUT WITHIN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON THE PED HAS THE NEXT BILLING SYSTEM. YEAH, YEAH. BUT THE PUDS ARE THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVEN'T PUT A MORATORIUM ON THEM. SO WE'RE NOT STOPPING ANYTHING. IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD BE. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS. RIGHT.

YEAH. OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD IS IT HAS COME TO THEM IN THE LAST THREE HOURS. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU, CHIEF. I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS AND THE TIME YOU'VE SPENT. LAST WEEK, LAST WEEKEND AND. YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE BEEN WILLING TO YOU'VE BEEN A CHAMPION IN THE LION'S MOUTH AND GO TO GROUPS THAT ARE REALLY NOT VERY FRIENDLY. AND THEY'RE ALL FUN. THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL OUR GREAT CITIZENS. AND I LOVE EVERYONE'S OPINION.

SO THAT'S IT. AND YOU TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT AND YOU HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES. AND WE MADE CHANGES BASED OFF OF WHAT THESE FOLKS HAVE SAID. I'M TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE. I THINK THIS IS THE WAY WE RESPOND TO THE FOLKS. I DID GET ONE PIECE OF FEEDBACK ON THE STAND FOR STAND UP FOR IDAHO. I HAD SOMEONE TEXT ME AND SAY, WHY DID WE LEGITIMIZE HIS CONCERN BY HAVING YOU AND THE SHERIFF THERE? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD PASS IT ON. THE ONE THING THAT I HEARD ABOUT THAT TOO WAS NOT IT WASN'T LEGITIMIZED. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHO IS BRIAN MCKELLAR? THAT WAS MORE OF THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP. BUT BUT

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AND I'M JUST NOT ONE TO BACK DOWN. SO I WHETHER IT WAS RIGHT OR WRONG, I THOUGHT, IF YOU'VE GOT GOOD IDEAS, THOUGH, WIN OUT. AND THAT'S WHAT AMERICA IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. I THINK YOU GOT THE RIGHT TO ADDRESS OUR GOVERNMENT FOR GRIEVANCES. AND SO WE DID IT. AND I WAS HAPPY WITH HOW IT TURNED OUT. AND I THINK THAT WAS CRITICAL THAT WE SHOW THAT YOU SHOW THAT YOU'RE RESPONDING TO CONCERNS AND YOU'RE NOT HIDING BEHIND WHATEVER YOU'RE OUT THERE. OKAY.

THANK YOU CHIEF. OKAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.