[Call to Order and Roll Call]
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          THIS MEETING. SO WELCOME TO THE COMBINATION OF OUR UTILITY BOARD MEETING AND OUR WORK SESSION THAT WAS MOVED FROM YESTERDAY TO TODAY. AND IT IS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH. AND WE'D ASK THE CLERK TO ESTABLISH OUR QUORUM, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE. COUNSELOR RADFORD PRESENT COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE. 
          COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. COUNCILOR LEE HERE. THANK YOU. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY, 
          [Mayor and City Council ]
WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN WITH FOR TEN MINUTES. IF WE DON'T NEED TEN MINUTES, WE WON'T TAKE IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LONG AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT ANNOUNCEMENTS, LIAISON REPORTS, CALENDARING, ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE BRING FORWARD IN A WORK SESSION OR JUST GENERAL CONCERNS. AND WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, WORK AROUND THE ROOM AND FINISH WITH COUNCIL MEMBER LEE. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM POLICE, REALLY, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING THE FLOCK CAMERA ISSUE, THE LICENSE PLATE READER ISSUE FORWARD IN OCTOBER WITH THEIR ANALYSIS OF OPTIONS FOR US. BUT BECAUSE CHIEF'S GOING TO BE GONE SECOND HALF OF OCTOBER, HE'S ASKED IF HE COULD DO THAT FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER. AND I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD, BECAUSE HE SAID IT WOULD BE BETTER PREPARED IF HE HAS MORE TIME. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO DO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER. TIME FOR THAT. SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE, NOT NOT OR WHATEVER, IT'LL BE THE FIRST COURT SESSION IN NOVEMBER INSTEAD OF OCTOBER. AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS COMING UP FROM THE POLICE. THERE'S A NATIONAL PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HEARD OF IT CALLED ON PATROL LIVE, WHERE PEOPLE RIDE MEDIA, PEOPLE RIDE WITH THE POLICE AND DO 15 MINUTE DELAY LIVE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN IDAHO FALLS. DID IT HAPPEN? IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. IT'S EARLY OCTOBER. IT STARTS, I THINK OCTOBER 6TH. YEAH, IT'S OCTOBER 6TH. YEAH. SO IF YOU SEE US ON TV, THAT'S WHERE IT IS. SO. AND LET'S SEE THERE'S AN AWARD. THE POLICE ARE DOING AN AWARD SEPTEMBER 17TH AT 4:00. IT'S ALSO A RETIREMENT FOR ONE OF THE K-9 OFFICERS. THEY'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. SO IT'LL BE A VERY INTERESTING EVENT. AND THE STAIR CLIMB, POLICE, ETC. ARE DOING IT TOO. YEAH THEY DO. 
          THEY'LL JOIN. THAT'S ON ON THE 11TH. FRIDAY. IT USED TO BE JUST THEIR DEAL AND NOW IT'S KIND OF MORPHED INTO THE POLICE. YEAH. IT'S ALL FIRST RESPONDERS. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT. AND THEN MAYOR, WHEN YOU'RE READY, I DO HAVE THE MOTION ON THE OKAY. SO I HAVE STAIR CLIMB ON TOMORROW FROM 9 TO 10. IS THAT OH, IS IT TOMORROW. WELL, THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING AN OPEN SEPTEMBER 1ST TO THE 11TH. YEAH. I READ THAT EMAIL. YEAH. I THINK MAYBE I'M JUST CLIMBING THE STAIRS TOMORROW. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO CLIMB THE STEPS, I GUESS YOU'RE DOING IT AT THE MALT PLANT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S 2200 SOME STEPS. THE EMAIL SAID. SO. 
          I SHOULDN'T HAVE TOLD ME THAT. I'M SORRY. IT'S ONLY 1100. OKAY, I CAN DO THAT. IT'S A LOT OF SKILLS. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER? FRANCIS. NO, I'M JUST WRITING WITH THAT MOTION WHEN YOU WANT. FOR ME, I JUST PROBABLY. I SENT YOU A SUMMATION OF THE BIG THING THAT I FELT LIKE WAS INTERESTING WAS THE DAY AHEAD. MARKETS WERE A BIG TOPIC THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE STARTED FOR A LOT OF UM'S MEMBERS, AND IT'S NOT GOING WELL. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION OUT THERE IN A DIFFERENT MARKET THAN WE WILL BE. BUT IT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION ALONG WITH TRANSMISSION. AND IT WAS FUN. JACKIE FLOWERS SPOKE, SO THAT WAS FUN TO SEE HER AND BEAR WAS THERE, WHICH WAS FUN. AND THEN THE NEED FOR SPEED TO THESE LARGE LOADS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IS IT BEARS EAR, THE NEW DATA CENTER IN IN THE IN THE BEAR LAKE OR NOT IN THE BOX ELDER COUNTY AREA. YEAH. IT'S 1000MW IN THE SIZE OF MANHATTAN. 
          AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD THAT WITH GAS WITH LIKE OUR PEAKING PLANT, BUT THEY CAN'T. 
          THERE'S A TWO YEAR DELAY ON BUYING CATERPILLAR. SO THE SPEED ISSUE IS BECOMING AN ISSUE. ANYWAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. I GUESS TWO ITEMS. ONE, JUST A REMINDER OF 
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THE TWO FIREFIGHTERS WHO RECEIVED THE MEDAL OF HONOR ON THE STATE LEVEL. ADAMS AND NEWMAN. AND JUST THAT THEY WERE OFF DUTY AND THEY WEREN'T TRAINED TO DO FAST WATER RESCUES. AND THAT DIDN'T MATTER. THEY DROVE DOWN ON THEIR OWN NICKEL AND AND MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. THEY WERE THE FIRST RESPONDERS THERE. THEY BEAT THE LOCAL FOLKS. SO AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT WHAT HELPED ME WITH THIS? DO YOU HAVE A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS? IS THAT WHAT THEY WERE WORKING ON FOR THE STUDY FOR A FIRE DISTRICT, A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT? YEAH. MERGER. POSSIBLE MERGER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. SO IS THAT HIGHER THAN THE SALT? YEAH. TO DO TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE. SOMEBODY COME IN AND TELL US WHETHER IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR. OKAY. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THURSDAY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THERE IS THE CONTRACT TO COME CAME BACK. AND THAT WAS PART OF IT, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY HALF OF IT, AND THE FIRE DISTRICT IS GOING TO PAY FOR HALF OF IT TO DO THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO DO A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT. SO THAT'LL BE ON CONSENT ON THURSDAY. IT DOESN'T CHANGE. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CONTRACTS ALL THE SAME, BUT IT JUST HAS THAT LANGUAGE IN IT THAT WE WERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT STUDY. YEAH. SO WE'RE JUST RE-UPPING FOR A YEAR TO CONTINUE ON AS WE HAVE BEEN. I GOT A BUNCH FROM WESTERN ENERGY SUMMIT. GREAT. OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO I WROTE A BUNCH OF NOTES ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WERE REAL HOT TOPICS AT THE WESTERN ENERGY SUMMIT THAT THE MAYOR AND I AND CHRIS FREDERICKSON WENT TO. THE TRANSMISSION RESTRAINTS ARE AFFECTING ALMOST ALL OF THE WESTERN UTILITIES. AND A LOT OF THE TALKS ABOUT THAT SURROUNDED PERMITTING, ABOUT HOW LONG IT'S TAKING TO GET PERMITS TO, TO DO THESE THINGS. BUT THERE ARE THREE THREE P'S OF TRANSMISSION PLANNING, PAYING AND PERMITTING, AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. 
          WE NEED OVER 12,000 MILES OF NEW TRANSMISSION NOW JUST TO THE NORTHWEST. YES. AND THAT'S IN THE WEST. AND THAT'S NOT BEING BUILT. GOOD NEWS THAT DATA CENTERS ARE BECOMING LESS WATER INTENSIVE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT BATTERIES ARE STARTING TO HAVE A SMOOTHING EFFECT ON THE LOADS. SO THE BATTERIES ARE STARTING TO WORK. BUT THERE'S NEW MORE NEW FIRM GENERATION NEEDED. AND THERE'S A COMPANY CALLED FURBO THAT CAME AND MADE A PRESENTATION, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE INL TALKING ABOUT DRILLING THESE DEEP WELLS AND INJECTING WATER INTO THEM AND BRINGING IT BACK UP. IT'S NEW TECHNOLOGY, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY BUILT ONE IN NEVADA THAT'S WORKING. THEY GO 12,000 TO 20,000FT DEEP. 
          THEY INJECT WATER IN. WHEN THEY BRING IT BACK UP, IT'S 400 DEGREES OR IN THAT GENERAL VICINITY. AND THEY'RE USING THAT TO PRODUCE ELECTRICITY. SO IT'S THEY'LL NEED A WATER SOURCE, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM. ANYWAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE REALLY PROMISING TECHNOLOGY. THEY SAID THEY'VE HAD 1,000% INCREASE IN INVESTMENT IN THEIR COMPANY IN THE LAST YEAR. SO THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. TODAY. WE ONLY HAVE FOUR GIG TOTAL GEOTHERMAL IN THE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE LIKE WE TALKED TO ONE OF THE, I KNOW IS TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY GIG WAS IT 60 OR SOMETHING. THEY THINKING THEY COULD GET OUT OF ONE OUT OF ONE OUT OF IDAHO. THEY THINK 90 THERE'S 91 GIG OF THERMAL BECAUSE OF THE YELLOWSTONE. RIGHT. AND THERE'S ONLY FOUR GIG TOTAL IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING. ONE OF THESE THINGS COULD WAY OUT, OUT, DO WHAT THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS DOING RIGHT NOW. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT AI. AN INTERESTING QUOTE, CONVERTING ELECTRICITY INTO INTELLIGENCE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE COMPANIES ARE CALLING THIS. I HAVE YOU HEARD THAT? OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. WE HAD A GUY COME AND RAISE ALARMS ABOUT THE MILITARY AND HOW THEY'RE DEPENDENT ON THE ON THE CIVILIAN GRID. 90% OF THEIR POWER COMES FROM THE CIVILIAN GRID. THEY'RE ONLY PRODUCING ABOUT 10% OF THEIR OWN POWER. AND IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF A CONFLICT OR WHATEVER, HE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT OUR ENEMIES WOULD GO AFTER IS OUR ELECTRIC GRID. AND THEN THE MILITARY CAN'T BE DEPENDENT ON THE GRID THAT THEY DON'T CONTROL. RIGHT. SO THAT WAS A THAT WAS A EYE OPENER FOR ME. WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM GOOGLE. THEY ARE REALLY TRYING TO BE GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNERS, BUT THEY ALSO BROUGHT UP A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT TARIFFS AND HOW IT'S REALLY HURTING THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND HOW THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THESE ON AGAIN, OFF AGAIN TARIFFS. EVERY STUDY THAT'S BEEN DONE ON CAPACITY PLANNING AGREES. WE ARE BEHIND IN GENERATION 
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PLANNING. AND I MENTIONED THAT ALREADY. AND DECARBONIZATION IS TAKING A LESS IMPORTANT ROLE NOW THAN IT USED TO BE. THERE'S REALLY A PUSH TO BUILD MORE GAS PEAKERS. AND THEN THAT'S ALL I HAD FROM FROM THAT THING. WE HAD A COUPLE OF STAFFERS FROM SENATOR RICH'S OFFICE IN TOWN THE OTHER DAY. OH, CAN I ADD A FEW THINGS ON THAT ONE? YEAH, JUST WITH THAT TOO. IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE AS COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN SAID, WE HAD A LOT OF INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES THERE, AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL A WHOLE LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY TO CREATE TRANSMISSION. RIGHT. IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, WE'RE WE'RE PRIVATE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU HEAR ABOUT NATIONAL DEFENSE AND WE TALKED ABOUT DATA CENTERS AND WHAT DATA CENTERS REALLY ARE, WHICH IS NOT JUST DRIVING AI, BUT REALLY ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY. AND ALL OF OUR HEALTH CARE STUFF IS ON THESE SERVERS. AND THEY JUST WENT THROUGH LIKE HOW THE WHOLE ECONOMY IS BUILT ON DATA CENTERS, AND THEN TO LISTEN TO THE TALK ABOUT TRANSMISSION FROM THE INVESTOR OWNED SITE, RIGHT? LIKE GO FIGURE IT OUT. SO IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY FASCINATING TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM BECAUSE IT WAS BECAUSE MOST OF THE STUFF WE GO TO IS ALL PUBLIC POWER THINGS. OH, YEAH. THERE WAS A LOT OF PRIVATE STUFF HERE, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES STUFF IN THIS, IN THIS CONFERENCE. AND SO IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS EYE OPENING FOR US TO, TO SEE THEIR ANGLE ON IT. 
          YEAH. IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE CAN'T GET THE RIGHT WAY. YEAH. SO LIKE, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? IT WAS VERY, IT WAS A LOT OF WHIPLASH, BUT VERY INTERESTING AS WELL. SO I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW. IT'S OKAY. I WANTED YOU TO CHIME IN IF YOU HAD SOMETHING. WE DID A, WE DID A TOUR AT GEM STATE DAM WITH CLAIRE HARDY FROM SENATOR RISCH'S OFFICE, AND SARAH WAS THERE. JACE, MEGAN, MYSELF, GARRETT. AND IT WAS JUST INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THIS STUFF, OUR STUFF EXISTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, SHE WAS TOTALLY UNAWARE OF WHAT WE WHAT WE HAD GOING ON. HONESTLY, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE TALKED TO HER IN HIS OFFICE IN WASHINGTON A COUPLE OF TIMES. SO ANYWAY, IT WAS JUST GOOD TO HAVE THEM HERE AND IT'S GREAT TO MAKE THAT CONTACT. SO I JUST WANTED TO REPORT THAT WE HAD THEM HERE AND THEY I THINK THEY ENJOYED IT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I GOT. ALL RIGHT. I SPENT THREE DAYS LAST WEEK AT THE IDAHO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SUMMIT WITH ITD. TAC ALSO HAD OUR FALL MEETING AS WELL DURING THAT TIME. WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT SPEAKERS. I THINK THE BIGGEST AND MOST EXCITING THING THAT HAPPENED WAS THAT DURING THE CONFERENCE, IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT GIFT IS HOPEFULLY SIGNING A CONTRACT THIS WEEK WITH THE CITY OF AMMON TO EXPAND SERVICE OF GIFT INTO AMMON. WOW. SO IT'S A BIG DEAL. CADE NEVER GAVE UP A LOT OF TIMES, EXCEPT NOW I ASKED WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE? WHAT WAS THE CHANGE? AND HE SAID, NEW COUNCIL, NEW MAYOR. YEAH, NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS. THE MAP HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AS PART OF THAT. AND I GUESS IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED. HE DESCRIBES IT AS BASICALLY THE FRONTAGE ON HIT FIRST STREET TO WHITE PINE, 17 TO AMMON ROAD, SUNNYSIDE TO AMMON ROAD. SO THERE'S A LOT OF IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPLICATED MAP, BUT IT'S GOING TO GET PEOPLE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY FAR INTO AMMON AS FAR AS THE SERVICES GO AND THE DOCTOR'S OFFICES, SCHOOLS, IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT OF THAT. SO IT'S VERY EXCITING, THOUGH, TO TO THIS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TOES TO THAT. THE CITY OF REXBURG ALSO ATTENDED THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SUMMIT. THEY DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC TRANSIT THERE. THIS IS THEIR THIRD YEAR THAT THEY'VE ATTENDED THE SUMMIT. AND YEAR ONE WAS SORT OF ABOUT MY REQUEST. MAYOR MERRILL CAME AND THEN THEY SENT THEIR ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO THIS YEAR'S. AND THEY ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON PUBLIC TRANSIT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE A VERY EXCITING ADVENTURE. AND HOPEFULLY REXFORD WILL GET SOMETHING GOING. DOES THAT HAVE TO EXIST UNDER ORIGINAL CHARTER, OR DO WE. THEY WILL HAVE TO. 
          THEY'LL THEY'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. THEY WILL. EITHER THE CITY WILL JUST FUND. 
          BECAUSE IF THE IF THE CITY JUST FUNDS IT. THANK YOU. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH FEDERAL MATCHING. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH FEDERAL MATCH. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO CREATE A, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE VOTERS AND CREATE A REGIONAL PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY FOR THEIR AREA. SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE WALMART BUS RIGHT NOW, WHICH I DIDN'T REALLY THEY JUST LITERALLY CALL IT THE WALMART BUS. AND IT IS A BUS THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH FROM PRETTY MUCH CAMPUS TO WALMART. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HOT PROPERTY. I MEAN, APPARENTLY PEOPLE GO THERE RIDING THE, THAT, THAT ALL DAY LONG. SO THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A DEMAND WITH ALL THAT'S HAPPENING IN REXBURG RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT A WINCO BEING BUILT. I THINK YOU SAW 
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THAT HAPPENING ABOUT TEMPLES. BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER. THERE'S SO MUCH HAPPENING. SO BUT WHILE WE WERE THERE, CADE MARCUS, OUR TRANSPORTATION COORDINATOR, WAS I DON'T WANT TO GET THIS WRONG. WAS AWARDED THE TRANSPORTATION CHAMPION OF THE YEAR AND INDUCTED IN ITD'S PUBLIC TRANSIT HALL OF FAME. AND THAT WAS REALLY FUN. AND HE BROUGHT HIS FAMILY AND HIS KIDS GOT TO BE THERE AND ACCEPT THE AWARD. SO THAT WAS PRETTY COOL. AS PART OF THE STAIR CLIMB ANNUAL MEMORIAL FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND NINE OVER 11, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU GUYS THAT THEY ARE ENCOURAGING THOSE TO, IF THEY CAN DONATE TO THE FIVE ORGANIZATIONS LOCALLY THAT DO BENEFIT FIRST RESPONDERS AND SUPPORT FIRST RESPONDERS. THERE IS A THERE'S A LINK ON OUR CITY WEBSITE AS WELL TO THOSE. AND THAT INCLUDES THE CHAPLAINS OF IDAHO FALLS POLICE FOUNDATION, HEROES DEFENSE, THE FOP LODGE AND TUNNELS TO TOWERS. SO EVERY PENNY HELPS THOSE LOCAL FIRST RESPONDERS THAT MIGHT NEED A LITTLE EXTRA HELP. AND THEN LASTLY, I DID SEE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY WERE HIRING FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS. SO ANYBODY THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN A LIFE SAVING CAREER, MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME LOCAL INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED IN JOINING OUR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GREAT, GREAT REPORT. NOTHING NEW THIS TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS. I ALSO WAS GONE LAST WEEK FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS ATTENDING PPC IN OREGON. IT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST ONE I COULD HAVE GONE TO. I MEAN, OUT OF ALL OF THE YEARS, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY PRETTY BORING. BUT ON THE LAST WEEK IT WAS NOT BORING BECAUSE TRAVIS FROM BONNEVILLE, THE CEO ADMINISTRATOR OF BONNEVILLE, WAS THERE. HE. I JUST TO REMIND COUNCIL, BONNEVILLE HAD SIGNALED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO WITH MARKETS PLUS. AND THEN WHEN TRAVIS CAME IN, HE PULLED THAT BACK AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AGAIN AT. KAISO IS THE BETTER MARKET. BUT KAISO, AS WE KNOW, IS RUN BY CALIFORNIA. AND SO ANYWAY, HE THEY REALLY TALKED IT OUT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BACK AND FORTH. AND TRAVIS HAS SAID HE GAVE HE CAME OUT WITH FIVE POINTS THAT IF KAISO HAD AN INDEPENDENT BOARD LEADERSHIP CHANGED THE REGIONAL ORGANIZATION OF WESTERN ENERGY TO ESTABLISH ITS OWN FUNCTIONALLY INDEPENDENT WORKFORCE, SEPARATE FROM KAISO THAT THEY HAD STAKEHOLDER DRIVEN GOVERNANCE. THEY WANTED PROTECTION AGAINST UNILATERAL STATE ACTION. AND THERE WAS ONE MORE, OH, A PLATFORM FOR RELIABLE INVESTMENT THAT HE WOULD CONSIDER MOVING AWAY FROM MARKETS. PLUS, THIS CAUSED ALL KINDS OF CONFLICT WITH THE PPC, WHO HAS BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO MOVE INTO MARKETS. PLUS, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF IT WAS A DONE DEAL. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. THERE'S A LOT OF SEEMS IN MARKETS PLUS. AND SO ANYWAY, IT WAS JUST REALLY QUITE THE QUITE THE EXCHANGE THAT MORNING. SO MORE TO COME BECAUSE IT IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL YET. JUST TO ADD TO THAT IS THE CASE THAT UAMPS IS JUST THEY'RE FIT TO BE TIED. IT IS NOT. SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING I MEAN, TO THE POINT WHERE SOME OF THE SMALL CITIES ARE REALLY BIG PEOPLE, THE. WHAT IT'S COSTING IS 20 TO 40% HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS ESTIMATED. THAT'S IS THAT IS THAT WITH CAISO? YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE. YEAH. SO IT SHOULD BE, IT'LL BE INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT STAKEHOLDERS AND UTILITY RATEPAYERS AND WHO WAS GOING TO GET STUCK WITH THE BILL TRANSMISSION AND WHEELING AND ALL OF THAT. SO I KNOW WE'LL HAVE MORE OF THAT IN THIS CONVERSATION. THEN TWO OTHER QUICK THINGS AS WE GET MOVING, SOME ONE OF THE WORK SESSIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING FORWARD IS SOME TRAINING ON THE SETTLEMENT RUN. NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PRIOR INSTEAD OF IN REVERSE, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TRAINING ON WHAT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE WORK DAY TRAINING, JUST SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING THROUGH WHEN IT COMES TO ACCOUNTING BEST PRACTICES. THE PERSON WHO STARTS IT IS ALSO NOT CANNOT BE THE PERSON WHO APPROVES IT. AND SO IT'S MOVING UP THE CHAIN. AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY JUST A CHANGE IN CULTURE. AND SOME OF IT ACTUALLY HAS TO BE WORKED THROUGH BECAUSE WE HAVE 
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DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WHO NEED IT BY POSITION RATHER THAN BY PERSON. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE BATTALION CHIEFS OR SOME OF THE CAPTAINS WHO ARE DOING SHIFT WORK. SO LOOKING INTO THAT. SO THERE WILL BE A FINANCIAL TRAINING AT ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS. AND THEN COUNCIL CDS IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE PD. THERE THEY ARE. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I WOULD LIKE A CHANCE AND I WILL MEET WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION BEFORE IT GOES TO THE COMMISSION. I WOULD LIKE A CHANCE FOR US TO RELOOK AT IT ONE MORE TIME. WE HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY WHERE WE JUST REALLY DUG DEEP INTO THE VERY LAST, NOT THE LAST, LAST ONE, BUT THE HARVEST RUN WHERE WE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY PARKING. AND, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DUG INTO IT. AND THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT I FELT LIKE WE DIDN'T KNOW. SO I, I'D LIKE A CHANCE TO, TO LOOK AT IT ONE MORE TIME AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT AN ATTEMPT TO NOT. STANDING IN A CHANCE TO TRY AND KEEP IT. YES. FROM GETTING RESCINDED SO THAT WE COULD SEE A PATH FORWARD INSTEAD OF RECENSION AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK COLD. I DON'T WANT TO PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF ARE AT ODDS WITH COUNCIL, BUT I HAVE ALSO REALLY COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE, AS COUNCIL AND ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE REALLY NOT BEEN ON THE SAME PAGE WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND LEGAL AND SOMETIMES PLANNING AND LEGAL ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. WHICH THEN LEADS US IN A REALLY WEIRD SITUATION DURING COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO IF WE COULD, AS LEADERSHIP, TRY AND WORK THROUGH THAT PIECE FIRST, MAYBE IT WILL BE ENOUGH TO KEEP US FROM TAKING THIS BIGGER STEP. MAYBE IT WON'T, BUT BUT WE'LL WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST A WORK SESSION TO TRY AND KEEP US FROM WALKING OFF THAT PRECIPICE. 
          JUST WE'RE JUST GOING TO TRY IT ONE TIME. SO THAT'LL COME FORWARD AS A WORK SESSION AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT. IS THAT AN OCTOBER THING? HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER THE LAST ONE, LAST ONE IN SEPTEMBER. SO BECAUSE IT'LL GO TO IT'S IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PULL IT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'LL STILL BE ON THERE OCTOBER, I THINK. SIXTH AGENDA. THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST ADD TO IS THE NEGOTIATION FROM THE DAIS TO LIKE HAVING THAT HAPPEN IS NOT. YES, THAT IS NOT IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE THING IS, IS WHAT IS IT THAT WHAT IS IT THAT DEVELOPERS AND OUR PLANNING STAFF ARE SEEING AS THE NEGOTIATION, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THEY GIVING UP? WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPERS GIVING UP TO GET PRIVATE STREET? AND ARE THOSE STANDARDS HIGHER? WHAT DO WE GET WITH PUBLIC PARKING? BECAUSE WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, THERE'S NO PARKING HERE. AND WHEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT THAT PARTICULAR ONE, THEY SAID, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST PUDS THEY'VE EVER SEEN COME THROUGH. I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHERE IS IT? ANY OF THE PARKING? AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WELL, IT'S RIGHT HERE ON ALL THE PUBLIC STREETS. YOU PARK IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE PEOPLE WHO GO IN THE BACK, THEY'LL PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY. BUT ALL OF THIS PUBLIC PARKING IS ON THE PUBLIC STREET IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. SO WE JUST WALKED THROUGH SOME OF THOSE AND I SAID, WELL, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO KNOW. I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD EXCHANGES IN THAT MEETING. SO ANYWAY, WE'LL BRING IT FORWARD. WE'LL TALK THROUGH SOME OF IT. IT MAY OR MAY NOT END, YOU KNOW, IN A WAY THAT WE CAN RESOLVE IT BEFORE IT HITS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE'D LIKE A CHANCE TO TRY IT AS CITY LEADERSHIP BEFORE WE I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A NUCLEAR OPTION, BUT IT'S A PRETTY BIG THING TO DO A FULL RETENTION. I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING, JUST MY NOTES FROM THE CONVERSATION I PULLED UP THE DAY AHEAD. MARKETS HAVE BEEN OPERATIONAL IN UTAH FOR THREE AND A HALF MONTHS, AND THE INVOICE CORRECTIONS FROM CAISO CAN BE OCCUR UP TO TWO YEARS LATER. SO THAT'S ONE OF THEIR BIG DILEMMAS, CREATING UNCERTAINTY ON WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR ELECTRICAL. AND THEN THE LONG TERM MARKET PURCHASES ARE DIFFICULT TO USE EFFECTIVELY WITH THE DAY AHEAD. AND THEN OPERATIONAL ADJUSTMENTS ARE HAPPENING, BUT IT'S ADAPTING IN REAL TIME. AND SO THAT WAS THE, THE INVOICING WAS I THOUGHT, YEAH, THAT LIKE, HOW DO YOU RUN A BUSINESS WITH TWO YEARS? YEAH. INTERESTING. WELL, BATTERIES AREN'T GOING TO FIX IT ALL. WELL, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T DO THAT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL 
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RIGHT. WE WILL BEGIN THEN. OUR FIRST ITEM IS COMING TO US FROM THE AIRPORT. AND THIS IS A 
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REGULAR WORK SESSION ITEM NOT SPECIFIC TO UTILITIES. AND IT IS THE FBO REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL REPORT. AND DIRECTOR TURNER WELCOME UTILITY BOARD MEETING. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING, MR. DOESN'T LIKE THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO THE MARCH WORK SESSION WHERE I PRESENTED, WHERE WE WERE HEADED WITH THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR AND HANGAR DEVELOPMENT RFP. NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WOULD. THANK YOU. THIS IS A REMINDER OF WHAT A FIXED BASE OPERATOR IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AT THE REGIONAL AIRPORT. CAN YOU OPEN THAT UP? ESSENTIALLY, LINDA? GET BIGGER. MAKE IT. 
          YEAH. ESSENTIALLY, IF A IF A PILOT NEEDS A SERVICE, THE FBO AT THE IDAHO FALLS REGIONAL AIRPORT WILL BE THE ONE TO PROVIDE THAT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF. NEXT SLIDE. A NUMBER OF OPTIONAL ITEMS AT FBO CAN PROVIDE, INCLUDING FLIGHT TRAINING, AIRCRAFT SALES, CHARTERING, GROUND HANDLING AND. THERE'S PRETTY MUCH AN ENDLESS LIST OF THINGS AN AIRPORT CAN NEED THAT FBO MIGHT PROVIDE. NEXT SLIDE. REMINDER ON WHY THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER AND PLACED BEFORE THE MARKET. SHORTLY AFTER I ARRIVED IN 2024, I STARTED RECEIVING INQUIRIES ABOUT OPENING A SECOND FIXED BASE OPERATOR. BETWEEN THEN AND ISSUING THIS RFP, I RECEIVED MORE THAN SIX, BUT LESS THAN 12 INQUIRIES. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY WERE ASSOCIATED OR NOT. 
          HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAVE SIGNIFICANT DEMAND FOR PRIVATE HANGARS ON THE AIRPORT. WE LOOKED TO ATTEMPT TO MEET THE DEMAND IN TANDEM WITH THIS FBO RFP. ALTHOUGH THE RFP IS PRIMARY PURPOSE WAS FOR FIXED BASE OPERATOR. THE PRIMARY REGULATORY REQUIREMENT FOR US IS THAT WE CANNOT GRANT AN EXCLUSIVE RIGHT ON THE AIRPORT. THE ONLY EXCLUSIVE RIGHT CAN BE GRANTED AT AN AIRPORT IS ONE THAT YOU CHOOSE AS THE AIRPORT SPONSOR TO EXERCISE YOURSELF. 
          WE DID NOT ELECT TO DO THAT. OBVIOUSLY. ARAMARK HAS BEEN AT THE AIRPORT FOR 40 PLUS YEARS NOW, OPERATING AN FBO AND THEN TO A LESSER EXTENT, WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL GRANT ASSURANCES WITH OUR FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE RECEIVE FOR ECONOMIC NONDISCRIMINATION AND FEE AND RENTAL STRUCTURE THAT ALSO PLAY INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT. NEXT SLIDE. SO APRIL 23RD, WE ISSUED THE RFP. WE HAD TWO PRE-PROPOSAL MEETINGS IN MAY, OPEN BIDS, JUNE 30TH, AND WE EVALUATED AND HAD TWO PROPOSERS PRESENT TO THE EVALUATION PANEL ON JULY 31ST. NEXT SLIDE. FROM THAT PROCESS, WE HAD 18 INDIVIDUALS ATTEND THE FIRST PRE-PROPOSAL MEETING. 12 INDIVIDUALS ATTEND THE SECOND PRE-PROPOSAL MEETING. WE RECEIVED FOUR PROPOSALS TOTAL THREE FOR FIXED BASE OPERATORS AND ONE FOR HANGAR DEVELOPMENT ONLY. THOSE PROPOSALS ON THE NEXT SLIDE INCLUDED. THE FIXED BASE OPERATORS CAME FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS BEACON AIR GROUP, RIGHT RUDDER LLC AND JJ JET CENTER. THE HANGAR DEVELOPMENT CAME FROM INTEGRA CRE. AS WE EVALUATED THOSE PROPOSALS, THE TOP TWO PROPOSALS CAME FROM JJ JET CENTER. THE TOTAL SCORE OF 78, BEACON AIR GROUP AT 77. WITH THE OTHER TWO YOU CAN SEE THERE. AND THAT'S THE ORDER THAT THEY WERE GRADED. JJ'S JET CENTER, BEACON AIR GROUP WERE INVITED TO PRESENT AND THE SCORE AFTER THAT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE PROPOSALS WERE GRADED ON 100 POINTS AND THEN THE PRESENTATIONS OUT OF 50, JJ'S JET CENTER RECEIVED 43.25 POINTS. BEACON AIR GROUP RECEIVED 30.25 POINTS, WHICH RANKED THOSE PRESENT. THOSE PROPOSALS JJ JET CENTER ONE AND BEACON AIR GROUP NUMBER TWO. NEXT SLIDE. THERE YOU HAVE THE FINAL SCORE. COMBINED SCORES OF PROPOSAL IN THE PRESENTATION. WHAT'S THAT. JJ JET CENTER'S PROPOSAL OUT OVER THE OTHER PROPOSALS IS NUMBER ONE. THEY IDENTIFIED WHO THEIR FUELING PARTNER IS WITH PHILLIPS 66. IF THEY GAIN ACCESS TO THEIR CONTRACT FUEL NETWORK AS WELL AS THEIR AVIATION PARTNERS INTO PLANE PROGRAM, THEY HAVE SOUND FINANCING WITH THE SOUND BUSINESS PLAN MORE IMPORTANTLY MATCHED ONE ANOTHER. THEY INCLUDED AN FAR PART 145 REPAIR STATION FOR YOU ALL. THAT IS AN 
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AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE OPERATION THAT WILL BE ON THE AIRPORT, HAVE A ROBINSON HELICOPTER DEALER AND THEY HAVE AN ARTICULATED SAFETY PROGRAM BOTH WITH FUEL SUPPLY AND QUALITY STANDARDS, AS WELL AS TRAINING STANDARDS, WHICH WERE IMPORTANT TO ME. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AT THIS POINT IS AN APPROVAL FROM YOU ALL TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATING A LEASE AGREEMENT. ALL OF THE PROPOSALS HAD SOME LEVEL OF. VARIABILITY IN WHAT THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP, PARTICULARLY WITH THE POTENTIAL HANGAR SPACE AND A FEW OF THE OTHER NEEDS. SO IF YOU RECALL, I HAD ANTICIPATED THERE WOULD BE A PERIOD OF TIME OF NEGOTIATION AFTER THE RFP WAS CLOSED, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING WITH THAT PROPOSAL FROM JJ JOHNSON. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT THE HANGAR ISSUE? BECAUSE THE ONE COMPANY WAS JUST DOING HANGAR DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT RIGHT? SO DOES THAT LEAVE THAT ISSUE TO BE RESOLVED IN ANOTHER WAY, OR IS JJ JET DEALING WITH THE HANGAR ISSUE? ALSO, SOME OF THAT'S LEFT UP TO THE NEGOTIATING PROCESS. COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS. HOWEVER, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE RFP WAS FOR FBO, AND THAT'S ROUGHLY WHY INTEGRA WAS WAS GRADED SO LOW COMPARED TO THE OTHER THREE PROPOSALS. SO SO THE IS THE EXPECTATION THAT JJ PROBABLY WON'T COME BACK WITH ANY THROUGH THE NEGOTIATIONS. WE'LL COME BACK WITH ANY REAL SERIOUS EFFORT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HANGARS OR. THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO DEVELOPING SOME HANGARS. HOW MANY AND WHAT SIZE IS REALLY THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK FOR THEM IS TO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH TERM LENGTH ON THE LEASE, AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION HANGARS OVER A SPECIFIC SET PERIOD OF TIME, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THAT IS THAT AN EXPECTATION ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO LOOK AT THE NEED FOR HANGARS AND POSSIBLY GO BACK OUT AND LOOK FOR SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO, TO DEAL WITH HANGARS, AND TO ME INDICATES THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE POSSIBLE WAY FORWARD. OKAY. YOU MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE BID WAS FOR HANGARS ONLY, CORRECT? OKAY. IT WAS FIRST, I'M CURIOUS HOW I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THIS IS AFFECTED, HOW THIS AFFECTS ARAMARK. I MEAN, THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE AN EFFECT. OKAY. BUT ARAMARK'S GOING TO KEEP OPERATING. YEAH. YES. IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN DECEMBER, WE DID SIGN A LEASE EXTENSION WITH ARAMARK. OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT. WE'RE BUSY ENOUGH THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, ANOTHER FBO WANTED TO COME ON TO THE AIRPORT. WE CAN'T TELL THEM NO, BUT THERE IS A FEAR OF SQUEEZING THE PROFITABILITY OUT OF BOTH OF THEM. YOU KNOW THAT THAT THEY BOTH HAVE THEY IT WOULD BE A COMPETITIVE KIND OF MARKET. SO THE SERVICES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE THEY'RE GOING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THIS THIS WHOLE SERVICE THING. AND I'M JUST REALLY I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN DIRECTOR TURNER TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUT THESE NEGOTIATIONS. SO THAT IS THIS THAT OKAY. YEAH. AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, GO AHEAD. YEAH. IF I MAY, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR ME IS, IS BRINGING SOMEBODY IN AS AN FBO AT THE AIRPORT AND SPLITTING THE SHEETS WITH ARAMARK. THAT LEAVES THE AIRPORT AT A NET NEUTRAL POSITION. WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO DOING WHAT WE DO OUT THERE, AND TO DO SOMETHING THIS LARGE AND THIS IMPACTFUL, AND NOT HAVE A POSITIVE NET RESULT WAS SOMETHING THAT I PERSONALLY WAS LOOKING FOR IN THE PROPOSALS. AND ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT IS DIFFICULT TO ARTICULATE WITH THE PROPOSALS IS UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY'RE WALKING INTO. AND THAT FOR ME AND ONLY IN MY SCORING, IS WHAT SET JJ'S JET CENTER APART FROM THE OTHER PROPOSALS. 
          THEY THREW THAT PHILLIPS 66 PARTNERSHIP AND THAT PARTNERS PROGRAM HAVE ACCESS TO BUSINESS THAT'S OTHERWISE GOING ELSEWHERE AND PROVIDES AT LEAST SOME BENEFIT TO THE AIRPORT OVERALL. WHAT THE MARKET CHOOSES TO DO BETWEEN TWO FBOS IS UP TO THE USERS. OKAY, BUT IT IS PART OF THE I MEAN, THAT'S THE PIECE THAT COMES BACK. IT'S PART OF THE GRANT ASSURANCES THAT WE CANNOT REASONABLY STOP ACCESS. BUT WE'RE SEEING WE'RE SEEING SUCH GROWTH, SO MUCH GROWTH AT THE AIRPORT THAT, I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T BE IT SHOULDN'T BE ENOUGH BUSINESS FOR BOTH OF THEM. WITH EXPANDED FUNCTIONS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE WANT TO YES. 
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I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER THAT. I CAN'T. OKAY. IF I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE THERE IS AN ACTION ITEM ON THIS ONE TO ALLOW FOR DIRECTOR TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATIONS. IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO MAKE THAT, IF SOMEONE IS WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION WITH REGARD TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE YEAH. ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL MOVE TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATING A LEASE AGREEMENT. I'LL SECOND. LEE. YES. DINGMANN. 
          YES. FRANCIS I. FREEMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. RADFORD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL. YOU WILL SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT ON A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. I DO APPROVE THE CONTRACT. THANK YOU DIRECTOR. NEXT UP, WE HAVE WE'RE GOING TO PULL UP WHOEVER WE ARE GOING TO NEED AT OUR DAIS FOR BOTH THE KLEINSCHMIDT PROPOSAL AND THE CITY RUNNER HUB UPDATES AND ENERGY CONSERVATION UPDATE. JUST TO COME FORWARD, WE'LL JUST MOVE. THAT WAS THE ONE PART ABOUT THIS AGENDA THAT IT WAS KIND OF FIVE MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE FIVE MINUTE CONVERSATIONS. SO WE'LL JUST PULL ALL OF THEM UP. AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR GENERAL MANAGER, 
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CHRIS FREDERICKSON, TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE KLEINSCHMIDT PROPOSAL FOR CONSULTING. YEAH. 
          IF WE COULD ADVANCE THAT, IS THAT WORKING? IT DOESN'T APPEAR I CAN'T ADVANCE THE SLIDE. BUT AS WE GET THAT UP, WE DO HAVE AN ITEM THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR THE THE THURSDAY COUNCIL MEETING. AND IT'S AN UPDATE WITH KLEINSCHMIDT PROPOSAL FOR CONSULTING. AND WITH THAT, MAYBE I'LL JUST TURN SOME TIME OVER TO RICHARD IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. SURE. TO GET TO THAT SLIDE. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR COUNCIL. SO AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'RE PURSUING A FOUR YEAR LICENSE, HYDRO PROJECTS. WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO THE TAIL END OF THINGS. LET ME JUST PUT IN A DRAFT LICENSE APPLICATION FIRST OF THIS MONTH. AND WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO CONTINUE WITH KLEINSCHMIDT TO HELP MANAGE THE LICENSE APPLICATION PROCESS, HELPED DRAFT THE VARIOUS MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT WANT TO SEE AND FINALIZE THE REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, AN APPLICATION, THE CURRENT OR THE PROJECTED FISCAL YEAR BUDGET AT THE END OF $500,000, WHICH IS UNDER HALF OF WHAT THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR NEXT YEAR IS PROJECTED EXPENSE WILL BE. WHAT DO YOU MIND SPEAKING INTO THE I'M SORRY MICROPHONE JUST SO THAT IT ALL GETS CAPTURED ON. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO NEXT YEAR'S FISCAL PROJECTION WILL BE ABOUT 250 000 THIS YEAR. TOTAL 500,000 TO HAVE TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR CONSULTING SERVICES. SO WITH THAT, I'M WILLING TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. THURSDAY. 
          TOMORROW. YES. OKAY. JUST ONE QUESTION. HOW MUCH OF THIS CAN HELP US WITH OUR RIVER STUDY? LIKE WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE AND WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR RIVER CORRIDOR MASTER PLAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE THAT SHOULD BE HELPFUL. SURE. SO A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION IS ALREADY GATHERED. WE'VE DONE PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE RECREATION, STUDY, FISH ENTRAINMENT STUDY, FISH SPECIES STUDY, SEDIMENTS. SO CHARACTERIZING THE RIVER AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMPONENTS OF IT IS, IS THE HARD PART OF THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT SERVES THE RIVER CORRIDOR PROJECT, BUT I THINK THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL TO THAT AS WE WORK ON THAT. PLUS THE FISH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE. SURE. YEAH. SO THOSE STUDIES ARE COMPLETE. I DO HAVE FINALISTS OF ALL THOSE STUDIES. IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO. I KNOW IT'S DENSE. I'M SURE IT'S VERY DENSE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO US. SURE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WELL, I'M SURE THAT. SO THE FISH STUDY DOESN'T MAKE OUR NECESSARY RECOMMENDATION FOR IMPROVING CPC UPRIVER FISH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR DID THEY LOOK INTO THAT? IT'S MAINLY A STUDY TO SEE WHAT IS THERE CHARACTERIZE. THEY DID IT OVER FOUR DIFFERENT SEASONS TO 
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CHARACTERIZE THE NUMBER OF SPECIES, PRESENCE, SIZE OF FISH, THE QUANTITIES, YOU KNOW, JUST THE GENERAL HEALTH OF THE POPULATIONS. STURGEON GREATER STILL. THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THE STUDY. THEY CALLED IT AN ORAL SURGEON. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING THAT OUR LITTLE SECTION ALL THROUGH THE REACH, AND IF YOU'RE IF ANYONE'S EVER INTERESTED, GO TO YOUTUBE STURGEON, JOHN HOLTZ BRIDGE AND THE DIVERS. THERE'S A GREAT VIDEO OF SOME OF OUR WAY IN THERE. THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE FISHING IN THE RIVER IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAN THERE HAVE BEEN IN YEARS PAST. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF BEEN DISCOVERED. SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE IT ON THURSDAY. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT ITEM 
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THAT WE HAD ON THAT AGENDA TO PROCEED TO RELEASE THE CITY RUNNER HUB PROGRESS UPDATE AND JASON COOPER DID THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR US. THANK YOU BONNIE. SO JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE CITY RUNNER HUB AND CONTROLS PROJECT. SO THIS BEGAN IN MARCH IN EARNEST. 
          MANY OF YOU HAVE NOTICED THAT THE THE FLAT GATE OR THE SPILLWAY GATE THAT THE CITY PLAN HAS BEEN OPEN. WE'VE BEEN RUNNING EVERYTHING OVER THE FALLS OR THROUGH THOSE GATES SINCE THEN, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO TO THE END OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED IN DECEMBER. WE ARE, BY MY ESTIMATES, AND FIGURING WITH THE CONTRACTORS WERE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP ON THAT THIS WEEK. TODAY, OUR CREW SHOULD BE BACK. IT'S BEEN IN PARMA, IDAHO BEING REBUILT, NEW BUSHINGS, NEW SEALS. THEY HAD TO DO SOME WELDING ON THE BACK SIDES OF THE BLADES. ALL BY ALL FOUR BLADES HAD SOME CAVITATION ON THE BACKSIDE, SO THEY HAD TO RUN BEADS FOR HOURS AND HOURS AND THEN FINISH THOSE MACHINES BACK DOWN TO SPEC. SO THEY HAVE PRESSURE TESTED THE HUB IN SHOP AND IT PASSED. IT SHOULD BE HERE TOMORROW. THEY ARE COORDINATING WITH BOOMERS CRANE COMPANY TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN BE ON SITE TO UNLOAD THEIR TRUCK AS THEY BRING IT OVER. AND SO ANYWAY, THEY'LL BE BACK. THE CONTROL PANELS ARE INSTALLED IN ABOUT 75% WIRED AND TESTED. 
          THERE'S SOME REMAINING TESTING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN OUR GENERATION ELECTRICIANS AND OUR SUBSTATION TECHNICIANS TO COORDINATE ALL THE PROTECTION RELAYS THAT THAT HELPED US OUT IN THAT THE AVR, THE AUTOMATIC VOLTAGE REGULATOR, HAS BEEN INSTALLED AND TESTED. ONCE THEY GET EVERYTHING IN AND READY TO RE WATER, THAT THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THEY WILL COMMISSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN A MANUFACTURER, DESIGNER, MANUFACTURER OF THOSE CONTROL PANELS, AND BASLER WHO PROVIDED PROVIDED THE AVR THEY'LL BE COMMISSIONING HAPPENING THERE. IT'S ABOUT A WEEK TO A WEEK AND A HALF LONG. ONCE WE GET THAT DONE AND THE ACTUAL SLIP RING MACHINING MAY TAKE PLACE PRIOR TO THAT, TO THAT FINAL COMMISSIONING. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE PLANNING ON DECEMBER. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE IT BACK EARLIER. SO ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ENTERTAIN QUESTION TELL ME HOW MUCH EFFICIENCY DO YOU THINK WE'LL SEE. AND THEN I ON TOP OF THAT, THE CYBERSECURITY ANGLE OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE INTEGRATION. TELL ME, REMIND ME OF WHAT OUR PROJECTIONS ARE THAT SO THE PROJECTIONS. LET ME START WITH THE EFFICIENCIES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GAIN ANY EFFICIENCIES. 
          THIS IS A MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE ON ABOUT A 20 YEAR CYCLE. THE INTERNAL COMPONENTS OF THAT RUNNER HUB. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE RUNNER AS THE PROPELLER, RIGHT. SO INSIDE THAT THERE'S A PISTON AND THERE'S A CYLINDER CYLINDER MOVES TO ARTICULATE THE BLADES. 
          WE HAVE BRASS BUSHINGS AND WE HAVE SEALS IN THERE THAT WEAR OUT. AND WHEN THEY WEAR OUT THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO START LEAKING OIL AND SO ON. ABOUT A 20 YEAR CYCLE. WE REFURBISH THOSE AND THEN PUT IT BACK INTO SERVICE. THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN PLACE. SO WE'VE HAD ELECTROMECHANICAL SWITCHES WHICH ARE HARD TO SOURCE AT THIS PERIOD OF TIME. 
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SO WE'VE GONE TO DIGITAL RELAYS. SO IT'S THE PROTECTIONS ARE FOR THE BALANCE OF THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE TO ENSURE THAT THE GENERATOR DOES NOT GO OVER OR UNDER SPEED, OR WE DON'T GO OVER VOLTAGE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR CYBERSECURITY ANGLE. 
          HOWEVER, WE DID PUT IN A NEW COMMUNICATIONS RACK JUST TO UPGRADE THAT. WE STILL HAVE THE SAME PROTECTION CYBERSECURITY WISE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD AN ONGOING. YEAH. THE REASON I ASK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE FELT WE FELT THAT THERE WAS REALLY GOOD PROTECTIONS AND THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAY IN. RIGHT. BUT THEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME HACKS OF UTILITIES THAT DID GET IN THAT ARE SURPRISING. YEAH. SPEAK TO ON THAT, CHRIS, BECAUSE YEAH, I THINK THERE'S THERE'S A REAL EMPHASIS ON STATEWIDE, BOTH ON THE POWER SIDE AND ALSO THE PUBLIC WORKS FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER AS WELL. SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN VERY ACTIVE AND SO FAR IT FOLKS JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S POSSIBLE IS TO KEEP THOSE AS SECURE AS POSSIBLE. BUT IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THINGS REMOTELY AND STILL PROVIDE THOSE FIREWALLS. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THOSE FOLKS WERE EVERY DAY TRYING TO DO. SO. JASON, ON THE MECHANICAL SIDE OF THIS IS, IS THE OLD TURBINE STILL THE THE GOLD STANDARD? I MEAN, IS IT IS IT THE BEST TECHNOLOGY OR IS THERE IS THERE SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT'S GETTING BETTER THAN WHAT THIS IS THE BEST TECHNOLOGY FOR THE SITUATION WE HAVE WHERE WE HAVE LIMITED AMOUNT OF ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INTAKE AND THE DISCHARGE. I MEAN, SOMEBODY HASN'T INVENTED SOMETHING BETTER, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY, OKAY. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO IT'S WORTH CENTURY OLD TECHNOLOGY. 
          YEAH. NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED THERE. YOU SEE SMALL EFFICIENCIES IN OTHER RUNNERS IN HIGHER HEAD DAMS, BUT NOT IN OURS. OKAY. AND WE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF LOOKING AT OUR CAM CURVE. SO THE WAY WE RUN AND OUR EFFICIENCIES THAT WE CAN GAIN, WE'RE WE'RE THERE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WAS INTERESTING THIS LAST WEEK IS THE MAYOR INDICATED WE WERE IN PORTLAND AND DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE SCHEDULED AT 2 OR 1. AND WE WENT THROUGH THAT. SO REALLY, ON A LARGER SCALE OF WHAT WE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN IDAHO FALLS. BUT IT WAS INTERESTING JUST TO LOOK AT THAT 1200 MEGAWATT PRODUCTION THAT THEY HAVE THERE. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE MORE THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH. BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE A 1938. CONSTRUCTION DATE. YEAH, IT'S IN VERY GOOD SHAPE. IT PRODUCES FOR PEOPLE ACROSS THE WEST. SO IT JUST KIND OF REITERATED SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          PEOPLE HAVE MADE VERY GOOD DECISIONS THAT HAVE PAID FOR THEMSELVES AGAIN AND AGAIN. BUT EVEN EVEN AS YOU COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN TOWN, I THINK IT'S JUST AMAZING IN THE FACT AS WE AS WE WALKED AWAY FROM THAT DAM, I ALMOST KIND OF FELT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT TODAY IN THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN, RIGHT. WITH, TO BE ABLE TO STAND THAT UP LIKE THEY DID IN 1938, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN. AND, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT WE DO WE DO REAP THE BENEFITS OF THAT EVERY DAY HERE IN OUR FALLS BASED ON THOSE FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO. THE FISH ISSUE CONTINUES TO BE A LARGE ONE ON THE COLUMBIA. IF YOU DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE THROUGH THE GORGE, STOP THE BONNEVILLE DAM, TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR FISH LADDERS, THAT PROGRAM THAT EXISTS THERE, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING HOW THEY ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND IT'S A LARGE PART OF OUR BILL, RIGHT? SO SO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. SO YOU WANT TO SEE SOME BIG STURGEON GO LOOK AT THE FISH PONDS. YOU KNOW THEY HAVE LIKE A 98% RETURN UP THEIR LADDERS. IT IS NOT A BONNEVILLE IS NOT STOPPING THE MONEY. WE SPENT, WHAT, MAYBE 5 OR 6 HOURS AT THE DAM THAT MORNING. AND THEN I WENT BACK LIKE TWO DAYS LATER FOR ANOTHER 5 OR 6 HOURS. IT'S JUST LIKE SO FASCINATING TO REALLY SEE HOW GOOD THEY WERE DOING. AND DON'T YOU THINK THAT THEY HAVE SOLVED THE RIVER PROBLEM COMING BACK UP? I THINK THEY HAVE. WHAT THEY HAVEN'T SOLVED IS HOW SLOW IT TAKES TO GET THE SMELL DOWN. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ARGUMENT IN THAT THEY THEY WANT TO RUN THE RIVER. AS FAR AS SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ACHIEVED BY, YOU KNOW, HIGH FLOWS TO TRY TO PUSH SOME OF THOSE DOWN THE RIVER. SO MAYBE SOME OF THAT BIOLOGY. IT WAS INTERESTING TO CHAT WITH SOME OF THE BIOLOGISTS ABOUT THEIR OPINION OFFLINE. YEAH. RIGHT. WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE NOT OFFICIAL. YEAH. SO WITH THAT, I THINK THERE'S SOME VERY COMMON SENSE THINGS THAT NEED TO COME TO GRIPS ON THE RIVER AND THAT THE, THE, THE SALMON EFFORTS TO BASICALLY IMPROVE HAVE BEEN DONE. AND AT THIS POINT, REALLY, YOU'VE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT WITH A VERY LARGE RATE OF RETURN AND REALLY 
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TO MOVE THAT NEEDLE AT THIS POINT, YOU'D SPEND AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR VERY LITTLE RETURN. AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE REALLY WALKED AWAY FROM. I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION, THOUGH, IS WHAT WE ARE USING LOCALLY TO FLUSH FISH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MIKE SIMPSON REALLY WORKED HARD ON. AND I THINK THAT CONVERSATION STILL NEEDS TO CONTINUE ABOUT HOW WE CAN PROTECT OUR WATER TO STAY HERE, AS OPPOSED TO FLOWING. AND I MEAN, THERE'S TALK WHEN HE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD WITH 500,000 ACRE FEET IN SOME YEARS. RIGHT. AND YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE AS WE TRAVEL TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS IS JUST WHAT TO DO WITH THAT WATER AND HOW VALUABLE THAT IS. AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE DROUGHT CONDITIONS THAT'S MEANINGFUL, ESPECIALLY EASTERN IDAHO AND ALL ALL OF THAT, THAT BASIN, I THINK. BUT IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT BIOLOGY IS GOING TO SUPPORT THAT HIGH FLUSH RATE. AND THAT'S ONE WITH THE RIVER PARTNERS GROUP THAT WE'RE, WE'RE A MEMBER OF IS TRYING TO PUSH THAT. JUST GET THE WORD OUT TO REMIND PEOPLE THE TREMENDOUS PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE IN THE REINTRODUCTION OF SALMON AND COLUMBIA. SO IT'S KIND OF FUN. AND I JUST WOULD SAY, AS WE LOOKED AT THE FISH LADDER, THE NUMBER ONE THING I THINK I TOOK AWAY FROM THAT I'M SO HAPPY IS WE WENT THROUGH THERE. I DIDN'T GET TO SEE ANY LAMPREY EELS. YOU EVER SEEN THOSE STUCK TO THE GLASS? I WOULD NEVER SWIM IN THAT RIVER EVER AGAIN. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SPACE CREATURE THAT'S STUCK THERE. AND LUCKILY THIS TIME OF YEAR, THEY'RE JUST NOT RUNNING. BUT BUT BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. BUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR JASON? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ANYTHING WITH FERC? JUST THAT WE'VE KEPT THE MAINTENANCE. IT'S ALL POSITIVE. WITH OUR LICENSE. YEAH. NO, WE SO WE ARE INSPECTED ANNUALLY. SO WE HAVE TWO HIGH HAZARD OF THE UPPER PLANT ENGINE, HIGH HAZARD. SO THEY INSPECT THOSE EVERY YEAR. AND THEN ON A THREE YEAR CYCLE, WE INSPECT EVERYTHING. THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE SEE COME OUT OF THOSE ARE SOMETIMES SPALLING CONCRETE VEGETATION ISSUES ON OUR EARTH EMBANKMENTS. RODENT PROBLEMS WITH. BURROWING ROCK CHICKS, BURROWING INTO THE EMBANKMENTS. AND WE HANDLE THOSE. I MEAN, NOTHING TOO MAJOR. IN FACT, THEY'RE COMING NEXT WEEK ON THE 15TH FOR THEIR ANNUAL INSPECTION. AND WHAT WAS OUR CAPACITY WITH THE CITY, WITH THIS PLANT BEING DOWN? WHAT WAS OUR TOP THAT WE COULD PRODUCE MEGAWATTS WITH THIS PLANT DOWN IN THE 20 TO 30 MEGAWATT RANGE WITHOUT THIS? NO, WE'RE SO WE LOST ABOUT 7.5 MINUTES OF GENERATION AT FULL CAPACITY. YEAH, THAT'S PER HOUR. SO ABOUT 168MW PER DAY THAT WE YEAH, THAT WE'RE LOSING OUT ON GENERATION FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME. MANY DAYS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT LIKE $6,700 A DAY THAT WE LOSE OUT ON GENERATION. WOW. AND YEAH, IN REVENUE, SAY THAT AGAIN, $6,700, $800 A DAY, $700, SIX TWO, SIX, TWO 7 OR 67, 67. OKAY, SO WHAT ABOUT 200 000 A MONTH? SO IT WAS SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE DO THESE PROJECTS, WE TRY THAT. AND JASON DOES A GREAT JOB TRYING TO PUSH HIM THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. TIME IS MONEY. YEAH, I JUST SAID THAT TO SINCE I CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT. 
          BUT IT WAS INTERESTING IN THAT TOUR OF THE 20 TURBINES THERE AT BONNEVILLE, SAME SIMILAR PROCESS THERE ON AN ONGOING SCHEDULE FOR THAT REPLACEMENT. I'M TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS QUICKLY AS I CAN AND REALIZE THAT TIME IS MONEY, BUT IF THEY FAIL, THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          HOW MANY GENERATORS ARE THERE? 21. 2020. OH, SORRY. YEAH. SO LIKE A THIRD OF THEIRS ARE DOWN ALL THE TIME AND THEY'RE ON MAINTENANCE OR FOURTH OF THEM. YEAH. THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF THOSE THAT ARE SCHEDULED AS THEY WALK THROUGH THAT FACILITY. AND OF COURSE, HIGH FLOW AND LOW FLOW, THEY TRY TO SCHEDULE THOSE AS WELL. THAT'S A DIFFERENCE. BUT IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE SIMILAR TYPE OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT THEY STRUGGLE WITH JUST AT A LARGER SCALE. SO. OKAY, YOU MENTIONED THAT GEM STATE AND THE UPPER PLANT WERE THE HIGH HAZARD DAMS JUST BECAUSE OF THE HEAD. HOW, HOW, HOW BIG THE DAM IS. OR IT'S BECAUSE OF IN THE EVENT OF A BREACH OR A DAM FAILURE, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD BE RELEASED AND WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THRESHOLDS THAT WE LOOK AT THE VELOCITY IN THE WATER AND THE DEPTH OF THE WATER AROUND RESIDENCES OR BUSINESSES. AND SO WE'VE DONE INUNDATION STUDIES AND WE HAVE MAPPING AS FAR AS DEPTHS AND FLOWS. SO LIKE THE LIKE THE 
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LOWER PLANT IS AS HIGH AS THE UPPER PLANT, RIGHT. BUT IT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE DOWNSTREAM TARGETS. I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO. ANYTHING ELSE. ALL RIGHT. 
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THANK YOU. I GUESS WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO ENERGY CONSERVATION. SO. JASON. IF YOU WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT. YES. GOOD MORNING. I'M JUST GOING TO DO A QUICK UPDATE, A LITTLE BACKGROUND. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 1982, STARTED WITH A BPA REBATE PROGRAM. 
          ADDED LOANS THAT ARE 0% INTEREST. AND THEN WE AVERAGE ABOUT 2 TO 3,000,000 KILOWATT HOUR SAVINGS ANNUALLY. USUALLY LAST YEAR WAS 3 MILLION. SO IT JUST DEPENDS. NEXT SLIDE. YOU WENT THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK. THAT'S KIND OF BRAGGING. TO TAKE A MINUTE ON THAT. IT'S JUST A LOT A LOT OF SAVINGS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS AND MOST OF IT IS COMMERCIAL LIGHTING PROBABLY, BUT WE DO A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE DOUBLED WHAT THE EPA PAYS. SO THEY PAY $800 TOWARDS THE HEAT PUMP. WE ADD ANOTHER 800. SO WE'RE GETTING OUR CUSTOMER 1600. SO IT MAKES THEM FINALLY THIS YEAR THEY WERE REALLY SLOW UNTIL IT GOT REALLY HOT. AND THEN EVERYBODY WANTED TO SEE THEM, WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE WE REBATE THEM BECAUSE THE HEAT PUMP COOLING. BUT EVERYONE USES THE HEAT SIDE OF IT TOO. WHAT'S AN AVERAGE COST OF HEAT PUMP IN YOUR HOME? THAT'S, WELL, I MEAN, THE LOWEST PRICE 6000. THAT'D BE BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR. AND THEN IT JUST GOES UP FROM THERE. OKAY. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THEM AS HIGH AS 20,000. IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACTOR AS WELL. THERE'S BIG SWINGS. OKAY. BUT SO THAT'S YEAH, THE LOAN PROGRAM WAS REALLY POPULAR AS WELL THIS YEAR, JUST I GUESS BECAUSE MAYBE TIMES ARE TOUGH FOR A LOT OF FOLKS, BUT WE'RE PRETTY STINGY. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PERFECT PAYMENT HISTORY FOR 12 MONTHS WITH US TO QUALIFY. SO. AND OUR REGIONAL TARGETS. EPA COVERS 40% IN NORTHWEST PACIFIC NORTHWEST. SO WASHINGTON, OREGON, IDAHO, WESTERN MONTANA, HERE IN WYOMING TO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ON THE 2021 POWER PLAN. WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW ON THE NINTH POWER PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE FROM 2027 TO 2032. LOTS OF MEETINGS ABOUT THAT. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I DON'T KNOW. YES. FOCUS ON MEETING DEMANDS. JUST KIND OF SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE NORTHWEST POWER PLANT. IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL. WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING OUR RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM, SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, LOTS OF MEETINGS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO THERE. DID YOU WANT WE'RE WE'RE MAYBE LOSING OUR RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING IT. NO, WE'RE USING IT. IT'S IT'S JUST THE COST OF POWER AND ALL SORTS OF INTERESTING STUFF. I YEAH, SO IN THE PROPOSAL, THEY ARE SUGGESTING BREAKING OUT DUAL TARGETS. SO THERE'S A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW THE EASTERN PART, WASHINGTON, OREGON, SOUTHWESTERN WASHINGTON, OREGON, USE ELECTRICITY AND GET CONSERVATION VERSUS HOW IDAHO AND MONTANA GET CONSERVATION NUMBERS. AND TO MEET THE POWER REQUIREMENT, THE NCPC TECHNICAL COMMITTEE HAS SUGGESTED, LIKE YOU SAID, BREAKING THOSE OUT FOR COST EFFECTIVENESS PURPOSES. BUT IN DOING THAT, IT REALLY DEEMS IDAHO AND MONTANA WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S WE CAN BUY NATURAL GAS CHEAPER THAN THESE ENERGY EFFICIENCY TARGETS IN WASHINGTON, OREGON, BECAUSE WASHINGTON, OREGON, JUST BY NATURE OF HOW THEY DECIDED TO CHOOSE THEIR ELECTRICITY, THEIR ELECTRICITY RATES ARE INCREASING, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING CARBON NATURAL GAS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF ASPECTS. SO IT'S A IT'S A PLAY ON NUMBERS, WHICH HAS A BIGGER DETRIMENT TO US ON A RESIDENTIAL SITE WHERE WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS PAYING INTO THAT PROGRAM. SO IT IS PROBLEMATIC. SO DID I CATCH YOU IN THERE THAT THEY'RE TO SOME DEGREE VICTIMS OF THEIR OWN DECISIONS, PERHAPS. YES. AND THEY'RE ASKING US TO HELP PAY FOR THAT. CORRECT. AND SO THAT'S SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE MET WITH JEFF ALLEN WITH NCPC ON FRIDAY TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT. HE SHOT OUT A PROPOSAL THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE NINTH POWER PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO JOSH ABOUT THIS WEEKEND TO SEE WHERE THOSE 
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NUMBERS ARE. BUT YES, THEIR THEIR DECISIONS HAVE HAD AN IMPACT ON IDAHO AND MONTANA. 
          IT'S KIND OF A CLASSIC WESTERN OREGON AND EASTERN OREGON SITUATION, EXCEPT WHERE EASTERN OREGON. EXACTLY. AND THE PROBLEM THAT WE FIND IS THOSE DOUGLAS HEAT PUMPS THAT JASON JUST TALKED ABOUT, THEY'RE REALLY POPULAR. WE'RE APPROVING LOANS AND REBATES WEEKLY FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND UNDER THIS PROPOSED STRUCTURE, WE WOULD LOSE THE DOUGLAS HEAT PUMP PROGRAM IN GENERAL, WHICH WOULD IT'S JUST IT'S A SERVICE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEY USE IT. 
          AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE EFFICIENCY OF DOUGLAS IF YOU'RE GOING LIKE IT'S IT'S A. YEAH, PROBABLY JUST ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU USE IT. BUT 20 OR 30%. YEAH. AND FOR SURE, ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN BECAUSE, I MEAN, FROM MY EXPERIENCE WORKING IN THIS FIELD IN THE PAST NOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING WHAT ACTUALLY MOVES THE NEEDLE ON EFFICIENCY VERSUS WHAT DOESN'T. AND SO I KNOW IDAHO POWER HAD WORKED WITH THE STATE UTILITY DISTRICT, SAY, HEY, THESE AREN'T WORKING. LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH RETURN ON INVESTMENT. AND YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ANYTIME YOU CAN BUILD A CAPACITY FOR TRANSMISSION REASONS, LIKE ALL THE PRESSURE ON TRANSMISSION JUST MATTERS IN THAT RESPECT AS WELL. BUT ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE, IF YOU GUYS HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK TO THIS, IS INCLUDING PLANTING TREES IN ANY ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROCESS, BECAUSE 40% LESS AIR CONDITIONING CAN BE USED IF TREES ARE PLANTED IN THE RIGHT PLACE ON A HOUSE, AND WE DON'T GET 40% ON ANY OF THIS, RIGHT. AND SO HAVING TREES PAID FOR BECAUSE CANOPY TREES AT HOMES CAN MAKE THAT KIND OF IMPACT. I THINK DOE MONEY AND EPA MONEY BEING SPENT ON THAT WOULD BE WISE IN TERMS OF ACTUAL OUTCOMES. YEAH. DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT THEY WOULD EVEN ACCEPT AS A. YEAH, IT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IF YOUR STATE PLAN ALLOWS FOR IT, THEN THEN IT IS BEING USED IN CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA. BOTH HAD AMAZING OUTCOMES FROM HAVING TREES PLANTED. I KNOW THAT MY SON WORKS FOR IDAHO POWER AND THEY GAVE AWAY LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE, THEY GAVE AWAY 10,000 TREES. BECAUSE THEY SEE IT, THEY UNDERSTAND, BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE PLANTED IN THE RIGHT PLACE. TOO. YEAH, YEAH. SO ONE THING JUST ON THAT, JUST TO MAKE THE COUNCIL AWARE AND WBC IS HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING ON THE NINTH POWER PLANT IN OCTOBER AT THE IDAHO FISH AND GAME OFFICE. SO WE ARE WORKING THROUGH STUFF, LIKE I SAID RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK HEARING FROM US, THE CONSTITUENCY, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME WE HEAR VOICES AND PEOPLE SHOW UP, I THINK IT MATTERS. SO JUST BE AWARE. I'M CURIOUS, HAVE WE KIND OF HIT THE WALL WITH LED LIGHTING? YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL FINDING EFFICIENCIES THERE. NO. COMMERCIALLY. YES. YEAH. 
          RESIDENTIAL. NO. I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE CONVERTED EVERYBODY THAT CAN CONVERT COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. TONS OF COMMERCIAL OUT THERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO FUNNY YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE I JUST I CONVERSATION ABOUT WHEN YOU MAKE EFFICIENCIES FROM THINGS LIKE LEDS, HOW WE ACTUALLY CONSUME MORE POWER, LIKE WE WERE GOING TO SAVE ALL THIS POWER. YEAH. I MEAN, BUT NOW THE DEMAND FOR POWER IS EVEN LOWER. EIGHT YEARS AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WERE USING LESS POWER. WE WERE TEN YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THIS CONVERSION. 
          AND NOW IT WAS LIKE WE WERE NOT. WE WERE YEAH, WE WERE OUR LOADS WERE GOING DOWN. YEAH. YEAH. 
          RIGHT. CAN I SPEND JUST A MINUTE ON THE CONSUMER SIDE OF IT. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO BUY AN OLD STYLE LIGHT BULB ANYMORE. ALL I CAN BUY IS LED AND I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SO WHAT IS IT THAT'S STALLING PROGRESSION IN RESIDENTIAL? I'M SURE YOU MEAN RESIDENTIAL. WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL. HASN'T MADE THE SHIFT. LIKE COMMERCIAL HAS TO. IT'S THE OPPOSITE. IT'S OPPOSITE. YEAH, IT'S THE OPPOSITE. RESIDENTIAL. EVERYONE REALLY TAKEN TO IT. 
          OKAY. COMMERCIAL. IT HASN'T CONVERTED. YEAH. BUT IT'S INTERESTING, DON'T YOU THINK COMMERCIAL WISE THE THE CONS, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BULBS IN, IN THE PARKING LOTS OR SO. LIKE THE PARKING LOTS ARE HUGE. YEAH. IT SAVES A LOT OF ENERGY. AND YOU CAN GET 400 WATT DOWN TO A 75 WATT. WELL, IT'S 12 HOURS A DAY TYPICALLY. THAT'S HUGE SAVINGS. 
          IT'S REAL SAVINGS. AND THEN FOR US, EVEN, ARE WE DONE WITH OUR LED CONVERSION TO ALL OF OUR STREETLIGHTS? WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. OH, I BET SO I DON'T FORGET THERE. YEAH, YEAH. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL DOING THAT EVEN. BUT WE DO. YEAH. INCENTIVES ON THAT AS WELL. 
          RELIABLE POWER, WHICH IS GOOD. IT MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE HOCKEY ARENA. YEAH. I MEAN 
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THE LIGHTS ARE SO MUCH BRIGHTER THAN THEY USED TO BE. THEY'RE THEY USE HALF THE POWER OR LESS. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ONE. ALL RIGHT. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF OUR BUDGET NUMBERS. BOTTOM ONE IS WHAT WE'RE ON OCTOBER 1ST OF THE YEAR TWO NORM IS A TWO YEAR RATE PERIOD. THIS YEAR WAS THREE YEARS. SO WE'VE GOT 2.5 MILLION OF BPA MONEY. WE SET ASIDE ABOUT 150 TOWARDS CAP, AND THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT POWER PLANT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL. NEXT SLIDE. LOAN PROGRAM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          VERY CLEAN CREDIT HISTORY. WE DON'T DO CREDIT CHECKS. WE JUST MAKE SURE YOU PAY YOUR BILL ON TIME. UP TO 10,000 FOR RESIDENTIAL, 50,000 FOR COMMERCIAL, 0% INTEREST FOR UP TO 60 MONTHS. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS. SO WEATHERIZATION THIS WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THAT POWER PLANT INSTALLATION. ATTIC FLOORS, WINDOWS, AIR CEILING ENERGY, STAR APPLIANCES. WE STILL OFFER AN AIR SOURCE HEAT PUMPS, DUCTLESS HEAT PUMPS, TYPE CEILING LED GIVEAWAYS. THOSE ARE GONE JUST BECAUSE WE, LIKE I SAID, EVERYONE HAS THEM ALREADY, SO JUST DON'T WORK WITH MANUFACTURED HOME COMMERCIAL LIGHTINGS OR BIG ONE CUSTOM PROJECTS STREET LIGHTING. WE ALSO DO FREE ENERGY AUDITS TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES. AM I CORRECT THAT THE HEAT PUMP ONLY WORKS IF YOU ALREADY HAVE ELECTRIC FURNACE? YOU CAN'T HAVE A GAS FURNACE AND YOU CANNOT. YOUR PRIMARY HEAT MUST BE ELECTRIC. YEAH, TO QUALIFY FOR THAT, JUST TO MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK. RIGHT. WELL, NO, THAT'S NO, IT'LL STILL WORK. 
          YOU CAN DO A GAS FURNACE AND STILL GET ELECTRIC HEAT PUMP JUST FOR US, WHAT THEY CALL A DUAL FUEL. AND WE DO ACTUALLY OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF A REBATE ON THAT ONE. OH, OKAY. SO MOST PEOPLE SO THE AIR SOURCE HEAT PUMP, USUALLY IT'S A CONVERSION FROM ELECTRIC FORCED AIR FURNACE TO A KEEP AN ELECTRIC TO A HEAT PUMP. AND THOSE SAY 30 TO 40% ENERGY SAVINGS, WHICH IS PRETTY BIG DEAL, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER TIME. YEAH, YEAH. AND THESE ARE JUST OUR APPLIANCES. ENERGY STAR. THEY USED TO BE REALLY CONFUSING. NOW WE JUST MADE IT. THIS ENERGY STAR QUALIFIES, WHICH IS NICE WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE. DOUBLE SEE PUMPS. WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE. BUT YEAH, AS LONG AS THE PRIMARY HEAT'S ELECTRIC. SO ELECTRIC FURNACE BASEBOARD CEILING CABLE, ANYTHING ZONAL PROVIDES AIR CONDITIONING. BUT IT. SO THERE'S A COUPLE VERSIONS OF THESE. IT HAS TO SUPPLY HEAT TO QUALIFY. BUT THERE ARE SOME UNITS FOR AIR CONDITIONING. THEY CANNOT QUALIFY FOR A REBATE. USUALLY THOSE ARE USING DATA LIKE ELECTRICAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO KEEP STUFF COOL. AND YOU SHOULD PROBABLY MENTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HEAT DUCTS JUST DIDN'T WORK LOW ENOUGH TEMPERATURES. OH YEAH, THEY WORK PRETTY LOW NOW. THERE'S SOME COLD CLIMATE HEAT PUMPS LIKE 20 BELOW FOR SURE, PRETTY EASILY. SO, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY OVER 400 HOMES, SAY ABOUT 3800 KILOWATT HOURS ANNUALLY COMPARED TO THESE. THESE SYSTEMS ARE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, ARE REALLY HIGH QUALITY, AREN'T THEY? YEAH. DURABLE AND DURABLE. THEY TEN YEAR WARRANTY TYPICALLY ON THEM PEOPLE. SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE LOOK OF THE INDOOR UNITS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I EVER HEAR. BUT THEY'RE QUIET. THEY WORK REALLY WELL. YEAH. ALL THE NOISE IS OUTSIDE. YEAH. YEAH. 
          IT'S OUTSIDE. YEAH. AND THERE'S A LOT OF DO IT YOURSELF TOO. YOU CAN BUY THE. MR. COOL HAS ONE. IT'S PRETTY EASY TO INSTALL. YEAH, THEY'RE PRETTY POPULAR. COMMERCIAL INCENTIVES. 
          SO WE'LL PAY UP TO 70% OF THE PROJECT COST. PRESCRIPTION MEASURES. PRESCRIPTION MEASURES ARE GOING TO BE JUST SOME FLAT FEE TO REPLACE A ONE OF THESE LIGHTS. YOU KNOW, WE GIVE YOU A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY. CUSTOM PROJECTS GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT WE DO HAVE EPA HELP HERE IN TOWN. WE JUST HAVE AN OFFICE OVER ON LINDSAY, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF HELP THERE. 
          AND OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT. NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S JUST SOME OF THE PROJECTS, CITY PROJECTS WE COMPLETED THE LAST YEAR. A COUPLE FIRE STATIONS, ICE ARENA, MAIN BUILDING, AND THE NUMBERS ON THE RIGHT REFERRING TO THOSE SHOULD BE KILOWATT HOUR SAVINGS, ANNUAL CLARIFIER POOLS, EQUIPMENT SHOPS. I THINK THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS DONE. TOUGHEST PART NOT HUGE SAVINGS. MELALEUCA FILL. THAT'S JUST LIKE THE MAIN BUILDINGS, NOT THE EXTERIOR. BIG LIGHTS. I 
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THINK MOST OF THE CITY. SO IF THERE'S ANY CITY PROJECTS LEFT, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THEM SO WE CAN. YEAH, WE THINK WE'VE GOT MOST OF THEM TAKEN CARE OF. WHAT ARE WE CHARGING CITY? I WAS JUST TRYING TO DO THE MATH. DO WE CHARGE FOR SIMS THREE OR ARE WE? IT'S AT THE INDUSTRIAL ROAD, OR DO WE TAKE THIS SAME COMMERCIAL RATE AS EVERYONE ELSE? IT'S $0.04 OR YEAH, IT'S THE SAME SAME RATE. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. OH. OH YEAH. THERE'S A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FILTER AND PUMP THAT WE DID A BIG CHECK CEREMONY THIS THIS SPRING. IT WAS HUGE. 120 0006, 515 ANNUAL KILOWATT HOURS, WHICH IS HUGE CITY. WE ARE WORKING WITH WATER DEPARTMENT ON A COUPLE OF PROJECTS, BUT THAT'S NUMBER 13 WE'RE WORKING ON. IT'S IN PROCESS CURRENTLY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE SOME THAT WE'VE COMPLETED AS WELL. A FEW NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDINGS THAT I LERSRL AND THE MARINE. THOSE ARE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS QUITE A BIT. MOST OF THE SAVINGS WERE VRFS, WHICH ARE SIMILAR TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEM. CLOUD APARTMENTS ACROSS THE RIVER BY THE HIGHWAY BY CULVER'S. THEY REACHED OUT AND WE DID A BUNCH OF WASHERS AND DRYER REBATES FOR THEM AND SOME OTHERS, WHICH ARE KIND OF LIKE THE HOTEL HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEMS. SO IT'S NICE TO SEE CONTRACTORS ACTUALLY DOING THIS STUFF. AND THEY REACHED OUT AFTER THE FACT. SO THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING IT, WHICH IS CRAZY. USUALLY THEY JUST PUT IN THE CHEAPEST STUFF POSSIBLE. WE HAVE A BIG LIGHTING PROJECT IN PROCESS. 
          IT'S A BIG BLUE BUILDING ON SECOND STREET, KIND OF BY LEO'S PIZZA. THAT'S THE OLD AEC HEADQUARTERS IS THAT I WAS WONDERING WHAT THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS BUILT FOR ORIGINALLY. WHAT WAS IT BUILT FOR? ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION. IT WAS THE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING. THAT'S A WEIRD COUNCIL. WE GOT TO GET GOING. YEAH. SORRY. SO IT'S A BIG PROJECT. OKAY, WE'LL GET THROUGH THE REST. GO AHEAD. NEXT ONE, ORCHARD PARK. WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO DO A CASE STUDY, INSTALLING 290 OR NOT DEFICIT PUMPS, HEAT PUMP WATER HEATERS INSTEAD OF ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 530,000, SAVING OVER 600,000 FLIGHT HOURS A YEAR. GOT A FEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES DOING SOME WINDOWS AND LINCOLN PARK RETIREMENTS. DOING A BIG WINDOW PROJECT. NEXT SLIDE. SO COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, PRIMARY HEAT HEATING AND COOLING MOTORS, PROCESSING EQUIPMENT, AIR COMPRESSORS, BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT SAVES ENERGY. WE CAN PROBABLY DO A REBATE ON IT. 
          LET'S SEE. HERE'S JUST LAST YEAR. SO 3,000,000 KILOWATT HOURS SAVED BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL. WE CLASSIFY ANYTHING THAT IS MANUFACTURED. 
          OKAY, GREAT. GO AHEAD. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE CLEAN ENERGY. THESE ARE MONTHLY HOW MANY WE'VE GOT AND HOW MUCH REVENUE LOOKS LIKE. SO A LOT OF SECURITY LIGHTS. LEVEL TWO CHARGERS. WE GOT TWO OF THE BALL VENTURES, GIFT CITY HALL. AND I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER AT THE MOMENT. AT THE MOMENT. YEAH. SO 171 PARTICIPANTS, 376 SECURITY LIGHTS. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING 20 BUCKS A MONTH FOR. THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SURGE PROTECTORS GOT ABOUT 126. NEXT SLIDE. NET METER OR SOLAR 201. RESIDENTIAL 18 COMMERCIAL OUT THERE. THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT WE HAD MORE DOES THAT NET METER DOES THAT IS THERE ANY GROWTH IN THAT? IS THAT MOVING FORWARD? IS IT FLATTENING OUT? THERE WAS A LOT OF GROWTH THIS YEAR. BUT. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING I GUESS. BUT YEAH, THERE SHOULD BE MORE OF. THAT. WAS IT. OH YEAH. JUST QUESTIONS. I THINK WE'VE COVERED ALL THOSE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS COMES LATER, BUT I DON'T THINK SO. THE THE ORCHARD PARK THING. YEAH. WHERE WE HAVE THAT SET UP AND THERE'S A DOCUMENT IN HERE ABOUT WE'RE AMENDING OUR AGREEMENT WITH THEM. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT DOES COME. IS THAT COMING TO COUNCIL? NO, IT'S COMING TODAY AT 935. OH, OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. YEAH, I 
          [IFP – CUSTOMER]
WITHDRAW MY QUESTION. OKAY. THANKS. THANKS, JASON. ALL RIGHT. SIR. ALL RIGHT. I'LL SEE 
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YOU GUYS NEXT TIME. YEAH. WE'LL SPEED THROUGH THIS. WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THROUGH REAL FAST. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT YOU. IT'S US. NO. IT'S ME. APPRECIATE THE SEINFELD REFERENCE. I MADE A JOKE ABOUT THAT, AND IT WAS A YOUNGER CROWD. THEY DIDN'T GET IT. WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, BUT THE OUTAGE MAP IS LIVE ON OUR WEBSITE. SO IF YOU GO TO OUTAGES ON IF POWER.ORG, IT'LL LOOK LIKE THIS. AND YOU CLICK HERE AND YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. LINDA. YES, SURE. THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO SEE FOR OUTAGES THREE HOUSES OR MORE AND SEE WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON OUR OWN SYSTEM. SO WE ARE EXCITED FOR THAT. KIND OF BRINGS US A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE 21ST CENTURY. WE ARE WAITING ON DOING A RELEASE MAY I THINK THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF YOUR VIDEOS. WE PROPOSED IT TO MARGARET, SO WE WERE GOING TO KIND OF DO THE VIDEO WITH YOU. AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY REACH OUT JUST TO MEDIA TO GET GENERATE SOME MORE INTEREST FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. SURGE PROTECTOR PROGRAM UPDATE. THIS IS ONE WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. SO IN THE LAST SLIDE YOU SAW WE HAVE ABOUT 126 CUSTOMERS PARTICIPATING IN OUR SURGE PROTECTOR PROGRAM GENERATES ABOUT $500 A MONTH, A LITTLE OVER 500. NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE ABOUT 2000. I DON'T KNOW WHAT GENERATED IT. WE WERE BACK IN THE HISTORIES AND THAT'S THAT'S THE FURTHEST WE COULD GO. SO RIGHT NOW RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WILL PAY $4 A MONTH AND COMMERCIAL $7 A MONTH. AND THEN WE WE BUY THE METER FOR ABOUT $170 AND INSTALL IT. THERE'S DIFFERENT METERS. THERE'S JUST SOMETHING BEHIND THE METER. IT'S IT PLUGS INTO THE ACTUAL METER BASE, RIGHT? AND THEN THE METER PLUGS INTO IT. OKAY. YEAH. SO THIS HAS BROUGHT A LITTLE BIT OF ANGST IN OUR MEETING, LIKE LEADERSHIP MEETINGS, RIGHT, CHRIS? I MEAN, OUR METER FOLKS AREN'T. I CALL THAT ANGST. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. 
          WE CHAT ABOUT IT OFTEN ABOUT WHETHER THIS PROGRAM IS HONESTLY WORTHWHILE. AND SO DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, I GUESS WE'RE KIND OF WANTING TO MAKE SOME PROPOSALS FOR TERMINATION. AND HERE ARE A FEW REASONS WHY THERE IS A REAL CONCERN ABOUT THE PROTECTIONS THAT THOSE ACTUALLY SUPPLY. SO I'M TALKING TO OUR METER MEN. WHAT THEY SAY IS THOSE USUALLY ARE APPROPRIATE FOR LARGE SURGES. IF YOUR HOUSE WERE TO GET STRUCK BY LIGHTNING, WHAT WE EXPERIENCE IN IDAHO FALLS AREA IS MAYBE A LOW POWER SURGE. AND SO IT DOES NOT THE WARRANTY DOES NOT PROTECT AGAINST THOSE. SO PEOPLE, I THINK, MAYBE THINK THEY'RE GETTING PROTECTED MORE THAN THEY ARE WITH THIS PROGRAM, WHICH DOES CREATE THAT FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY. WHEN SOMEONE DOES HAVE AN EVENT, THEY THEY HAVE TO GO TO THEIR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE FIRST BEFORE ANY OF THIS WARRANTY WILL PAY OUT. SO THEY'RE STILL HAVING TO DO CLAIMS WITH THEIR HOME. AND THEN AND THEN THE METER WARRANTY MIGHT POP IN. WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF THE COST ACCOUNTING. SO LIKE I SAID, THE METERS THEMSELVES COST $170. IT TAKES OUR METER MEN, THEY SAY 30 MINUTES TO INSTALL, BUT THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTING FOR DRIVE TIME. THEY USUALLY GO OUT IN PAIRS AS WELL. AND SO AT PORTSMOUTH WE'RE NOT REALLY RECOUPING COSTS. WE'RE PROBABLY IN THE HOLE RUNNING THIS PROGRAM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF IT'S A SERVICE WE WANT TO GIVE, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF. AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, WE WERE MADE AWARE WITH THIS DOWNTOWN ALLEY, WE HAD TO WE HAD A CUSTOMER THAT WAS ON THE SURGE PROTECTOR PROGRAM, THE NEW METERS THAT WERE GOING TO THE HARDWARE ISN'T COMPATIBLE, SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO OFFER IT. FOR SOME OF THOSE TRANSITIONING TO THE NEWER METERS AT THIS POINT. 
          SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, AND YOU GUYS DO HAVE A BRIEFING PAPER THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW THAT. BUT LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DISCONTINUING THE PROGRAM, LIKE I SAID, MONETARY WISE, THAT'S REALLY NOT MY BIG CONCERN. IT'S TALKING TO THE METER MEN WHERE I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE OUR CONSUMERS ARE GETTING A GOOD THING FOR THEIR BUCK. I THINK IT IS A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY, AND I DO WORRY. I DO WORRY ABOUT THAT. AND IN ADDITION, LIKE I SAID, WITH 127 CUSTOMERS OVER A OVER A 26 YEAR PERIOD, IT'S JUST NOT A, IT'S NOT A PROGRAM. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN JUMPING ON TO GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT. AND HOW THAT DISCONTINUATION OF THE PROGRAM WORKS. WE CAN WE CAN TALK ABOUT GRANDFATHERING IN OUR CURRENT CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND THEN MOVING FORWARD THAT WAY. THE OTHER THING I'M WILLING TO DO IS TO ACTUALLY DO A FORMAL COST ASSESSMENT OF WHAT IT TRULY COSTS TO RUN THIS PROGRAM AND DETERMINE WHAT THAT MONTHLY FEE WOULD BE COMMENSURATE TO THE SERVICE BEING PROVIDED. I'M IN 
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FAVOR OF WORKING TOWARDS GETTING RID OF IT, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT MAYBE SOME OF THE MORE MODERN WHOLE HOME SURGE PROTECTION AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT OR, OR SHOW PEOPLE HOW TO GET THOSE. YES, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH IDAHO POWER, KIND OF SEEING HOW THEY DO IT. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO LET ME PLAGIARIZE THEIR INFORMATION FROM THEIR WEBSITE. BUT THE ONES THAT AN ELECTRICIAN DOES THAT ARE IN YOUR HOME ARE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE. AND SO MAYBE WE PROVIDE OUR CONSTITUENTS WITH THAT INFORMATION. I'D BE INCLINED TO SPEND THE TIME AND EFFORT IF WE FELT LIKE WE WERE PROVIDING A PRODUCT THAT HAD VALUE, THAT PEOPLE LIKE THAT WORK THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT REALLY FITS THAT BILL. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE VALUE IS TO, TO OUR CUSTOMERS, TO THE RATEPAYERS, RIGHT. MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS LARGELY BEEN OUR CONCERN AS WELL AS MINE. WHEN YOU START LOOKING INTO THE WARRANTY, YOU'RE LIKE, I'M NOT REALLY A PROTECTED. YEAH, VERY MUCH SO. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST BE AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BRING THIS FORMALLY TO COUNCIL TO DISCONTINUE. THIS WOULD JUST BE KIND OF GET THAT JUST MAKES UNLESS COUNCIL FEELS LIKE THERE'S A REAL DESIRE AMONGST US TO KEEP IT, THEN I THINK THAT THE DIRECTION THAT IDAHO FALLS POWER IS GOING WOULD BE TO DISCONTINUE THIS PROGRAM AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GRANDFATHER IN PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STAY. OPTION ONE. OKAY, PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO NET METERING. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING OUT THERE. SO WE DO HAVE A DISTRIBUTED DISTRIBUTED GENERATION PROGRAM. 
          OH MY WORD. THANKS. WHERE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PROCURE THEIR OWN GENERATE THEIR ELECTRICITY THROUGH. IT'S ONLY BEEN SOLAR HERE IN IDAHO FALLS, BUT WE DO GIVE THE OPTIONS OF WIND OR GEOTHERMAL OR SMALL HYDRO. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PERMIT TO THE CITY BECAUSE OF. IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN CAPACITY TO OUR ELECTRIC GRID. AND IN CASE THEIR CUSTOMER SYSTEMS ARE UNABLE TO SERVE THEIR FULL HOUSEHOLD. AND WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE FOR OUR ENLIGHTENMENT. SO THAT'S ALL WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING THIS YEAR, SPECIFICALLY, IS AN INCREASE IN SCAMS AND FRUSTRATED CUSTOMERS. SO THERE ARE SOME SOLAR COMPANIES THAT ARE IN TOWN THAT ARE REALLY CARRYING AGGRESSIVE TACTICS, TRYING TO SELL SOLAR. THEY ARE GOING DOOR TO DOOR WITH MISLEADING CLAIMS. THEY HAVE PRINTED OFF IDAHO FALLS POWER PRESS RELEASES. NOT THAT THEY LET THEM READ THE PRESS RELEASE, BUT IT SHOWS OUR LETTERHEAD INFORMING THEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RAISING THE RATES ANYWHERE FROM $0.17 A KILOWATT HOUR TO $0.50 A KILOWATT HOUR, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA BASED NUMBERS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU INSTALL SOLAR, YOUR WHOLE UTILITY BILL IS GOING AWAY. WELL, WE KNOW OUR UTILITY BILL IS COMBINED. SO EVEN IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GENERATE ENOUGH SOLAR, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THEIR WATER, SEWER, SANITATION ON THAT BILL. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE COST OF SOLAR IN OUR ARENA, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THE NUMBERS DON'T PAN OUT. YOU'RE STILL PAYING THAT 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND WE CAN STILL OFFER CHEAPER POWER AT THIS JUNCTURE IN TIME. AND SO THEY'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO OFFSET THAT COST OF OUR LOCAL ELECTRICITY. BUT OF COURSE, THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY TELLING CUSTOMERS NOT TO CALL US BECAUSE IDAHO FALLS POWER WILL TRY TO TALK US OUT OF IT THAN OUT OF IT, WHICH WE DON'T DO. 
          WE DO RUN THE NUMBERS FOR THEM AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR YOUR SOLAR SYSTEM, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD PAY WITH YOUR YOUR POWER BILL. BUT PEOPLE STILL ■CONTINUE, UNFORTUNATELY, TO KIND OF WORK FOR THESE. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD ABOUT FOUR CUSTOMERS THIS LAST MONTH CALL BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED THEIR BILL AND THEY'RE PAYING $200 FOR THEIR SOLAR AND THEY'RE STILL PAYING LIKE TEN BUCKS FOR THEIR ELECTRICITY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PRODUCE ENOUGH. SO WE DID MEET WITH JACOB A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AS A POWER COMPANY, TO TRY TO HELP PROTECT OUR CUSTOMERS. NEXT SLIDE. LINDA. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS WE'RE GOING TO BE CREATING A CHECKLIST TO COMPLEMENT OUR SOLAR APPLICATION. SO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION THAT GOES THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEN US. BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON WHAT THEY REALLY WOULD BE GETTING KILOWATT HOURS SAVINGS FOR THEIR SOLAR, AND THEN WHAT THE COST OF THAT 20 YEAR LIFESPAN IS. WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON UPDATING OUR WEBSITE ON OUR NET METERING PORTION TO MAYBE PROVIDE AN OLD CALCULATOR WHERE THEY COULD GO AND THEY COULD JUST PUT IN THEIR NUMBERS. AND SO THEY CAN SELF INFORM THEM WHETHER THAT'S THE PRICE THEY WANT TO PAY. AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUE TO OFFER HOME 
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AUDITS AND ENERGY BILL PROFILES AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE. WE DID HIRE ADDITIONAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM TO HELP MANAGE OUR EV CHARGING PROGRAM. BUT AS PART OF THAT, SHE IS HELPING JASON BERG WITH OUR ENERGY AUDITS. AND SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAPACITY TO GET INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION FOR THEM. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR ANY IDEAS OF HOW TO GET SCAMMERS OUT OF THE AREA? JUST KIDDING. I THINK JUST USING OUR SOCIAL MEDIA TO IN THAT WORLD, I THINK YOU ALREADY DO. BUT JUST HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, I DO THINK PEOPLE THINK, OH, SOLAR AND I WANT TO MAKE MONEY. SO DO WE HAVE ANY ABILITY TO STOP THE USE OF OUR LOGO BY THOSE DOOR TO DOOR SALESMEN? LIKE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, CAN WE DO ANY KIND OF CEASE AND DESIST TO THESE COMPANIES WHO ARE OUT THERE FALSIFYING OUR INFORMATION? IS IT WORTH THAT? I DON'T KNOW, LEGALLY, I KNOW WHEN I CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I WAS TOLD, NO, IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO. IF THEY'RE USING OUR LOGO, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STOP THE TRADEMARK ISSUE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. POTENTIALLY. I DO HAVE AN ATTORNEY IN OUR OFFICE IF YOU WANT ME TO LOOK INTO IT. I THINK SO, YEAH. IT WOULD BE NICE BECAUSE WE DON'T LET THE CUSTOMER WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE SENT PICTURES FOR US, BUT THEY, THEY LAMINATE A PRESS RELEASE AND THEY JUST KIND OF WAVE IT IN THEIR FACE. IT'S IDAHO FALLS POWER AND YEAH, RAISING RATES AND THEY DON'T LET THEM READ IT, BUT IT DOES HAVE OUR LOGO ON IT. SO I GOT A CALL FROM A FRIEND OF MINE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN THAT HAD ONE OF THESE PEOPLE COME TO HIS DOOR AND TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE GOING TO RAISE HIS POWER RATES, AND THAT THAT THEY WERE CERTIFIED OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT BY IDAHO FALLS POWER TO OFFER THIS ROOFTOP STUFF. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY HAD TALKED TO US ABOUT IT, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF MISLEADING. 
          YEAH. AN IDEA THAT WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING THINGS ON THE WEBSITE TO HELP PEOPLE KNOW IS TELL PEOPLE TO BE SURE THEY ASK FOR THE LICENSE. THE, THE CITY HAS TO LICENSE DOOR TO DOOR PEOPLE. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LICENSE, THEY SHOULDN'T BE AT YOUR DOOR. YEAH. SO YOU COULD REMIND PEOPLE TO ASK, DO YOU HAVE A CITY LICENSE? AND AREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO CARRY A BADGE? I BELIEVE IF THEY HAVE A LICENSE, THEY GET IT FROM THE CLERK. IT IS. A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO HER TO DO IT. THEY DON'T HAVE LICENSES. YEAH. AND THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, WE DID HAVE THAT PROBLEM THIS SPRING AND THEY ENDED UP GETTING A LICENSE. BUT THE MISINFORMATION PERSISTS. IT WON'T BE THE ONLY THING, BUT IT'S ONE THING THAT MIGHT HELP PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD LOOK FOR. ABSOLUTELY. SO WOULD YOU JUST WOULD YOU JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL? THAT WAY IT'S ON MY RADAR TO YES, TO HAVE TERI LOOK INTO THAT. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. AND MAYBE THE OTHER THING WE CAN LOOK INTO IS WHEN THEY WHEN THEY'RE COMING FOR DOOR TO DOOR SALES PERMITS, WE CAN TRY AND HAVE INFORMATION AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTIVELY PURSUING PEOPLE, MISREPRESENTING THEIR DOOR TO DOOR SALES. IF THE WORD GETS OUT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE KIND OF PROSECUTE SOMEONE FOR DOING THIS, THEN MAYBE, MAYBE THE WORD GETS AROUND TO THE SALESMAN. YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE WHO KNOWS IF IT'S, I MEAN, IT COULD BE AT THEIR TOP CORPORATE LEVEL, BUT IT COULD BE DOWN AT THE 18 YEAR OLD KID WHO PUT IT ON HIS PRINTER THAT FEELS LIKE THIS IS MY BEST SALES PITCH. 
          YEP. SO WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE STRING OF. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. THEN THE SOUTH FORK ARCHER'S LEASE. YEAH. FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, ASSUME THAT WE WANTED TO BRING UP, WE INCLUDED, I BELIEVE, IN THE PACKET, KIND OF A LETTER THAT WAS SENT BY ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER STEVE WARMAN TO THE SOUTH FORK ARCHER. SO THIS IS WHERE IDAHO FALLS POWER HAS A POTENTIAL SITE FOR A SUBSTATION DOWN BY SANDY DOWNS. AND ESSENTIALLY IN THAT LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN IN MAY OF 2021, IT SAID, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UTILIZE THIS PROPERTY AT SOME POINT. WE HAVE SOME DIVERGING INTERESTS AND ESSENTIALLY SAID, WE KIND OF PUT YOU ON NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE FIVE YEARS TO FIND A NEW SITE. SO THAT EXISTING AGREEMENT ACTUALLY EXPIRES AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, AS I BELIEVE WE GAVE YOU A COPY OF THIS LETTER. AND WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE SOME SUBDIVISIONS OR HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OR SOUTH AND EAST, I BELIEVE. 
          SO THOSE RESIDENTS ARE ACTUALLY STARTING TO RAISE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE SAFETY ISSUES. THEIR KIDS ARE OUT THERE. THEY'RE FINDING ARROWS IN THE FIELDS THAT THEY PLAY IN AND THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND SO WE WANTED TO BRING THIS UP TO YOU JUST TO REMIND THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH. THEY DO HAVE A MEETING THAT'S COMING UP THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO AND MEET WITH THEM ABOUT THAT POTENTIALITY OF FINDING A NEW SITE FOR THAT TO WORK. IF YOU READ THROUGH THE LETTER, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A PRIVATE FACILITY ON PUBLIC PROPERTY THAT CREATED SOME ANGST THAT GETS LOCKED. SO 
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THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FALLS. POWER WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT WITH THE SOUTH FORK ARCHERS, AND JUST MAKE YOU AWARE THAT WE ARE GOING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR A NEW SITE. ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT AT ALL? WELL, I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S THERE'S HOUSING BEING BUILT CLOSER TO THIS THAN THAN EVER BEFORE, OF COURSE, AND THAT THEY'RE FINDING ARROWS THAT ARE OFF SITE. RIGHT? YEAH. THERE IS A DANGER TO PEOPLE'S CHILDREN AND STUFF. THEY'RE PLAYING BY THE CREEK AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          YEAH. AND I THINK THERE'S KIND OF BEEN A SHIFT AS PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY FOUND OUT THAT THEY DON'T OWN. THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. SO A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS WERE BEING BROUGHT TO THE ARCHERS. THE ARCHERS GROUP. BUT NOW I THINK IT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY CITY PROPERTY. SO THOSE CALLS NOW ARE COMING DOWN FALLS POWER TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE WHAT KIND OF INVESTMENT THEY HAVE IN INFRASTRUCTURE THERE. IF YOU DRIVE BY THERE, THEY DO HAVE SOME GATES AND SOME OTHER FACILITIES, BUT BUT SOME OF THAT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN BORNE BY THE CITY AS WELL. AND PART OF THAT PARTNERSHIP. SO I THINK SOME OF THE TARGETS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE THINGS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO RELOCATE ONCE THEY FOUND IT. BUT BUT ARE THEY MOBILE KIND OF THINGS, THE BACKSTOP THAT THEY HAVE THERE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THOSE LARGE STRAW BALES THAT THEY HAVE. SO WHILE THERE, THERE IS SOME INVESTMENT ON SITE, THIS LETTER HAS KIND OF MADE IT KNOWN FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK TOWARDS AS FAR AS RELOCATION. CAN WE HELP THEM FIND ANOTHER SITE THAT'S ON CITY PROPERTY? IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WE COULD ALWAYS LOOK AT POTENTIALITIES FROM CITY PROPERTIES. THE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE STRUGGLED A LITTLE BIT, THOUGH, IS THE IDEA THAT, HEY, IT'S A POTENTIAL PUBLIC PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE LOCKING PEOPLE OUT OF. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KIND OF RESOLVE THAT FROM THE LETTER. YEAH, YEAH. I'M JUST THINKING WE'RE CHARGING OTHER USER GROUPS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S, BUT I MEAN, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PROPERTY ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'M THINKING LIKE NOISE PARK KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD FIT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I DON'T KNOW. WELL IN WHAT ONE ITEM THAT I WOULD BRING UP TO YOU ALL. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE NEAR FORECAST AS FAR AS OUR CAPITAL PLAN FOR THIS PARTICULAR SUBSTATION, UNLESS WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF GROWTH. 
          ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE SUBSTATION POINT IS ONCE WE ACQUIRE THOSE PROPERTIES AND KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, IS TRYING TO PUT FENCING UP TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THERE AND PEOPLE SEE IT, BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO HANG A FENCE THAT SAYS FUTURE SUBSTATION SITE, IT'S ANOTHER ONE WHEN THAT STARTS TO GO UP. AND SO AS THEY EXIT, WE MAY LOOK AT OUR CAPITAL PLAN TO TRY TO GET THAT FENCING UP. SO JUST THAT, THAT SITE HAS THAT KIND OF WRAPPING THAT. SO IT'S NOT A SURPRISE THAT, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON. AND IT IS THAT IT WILL BE A SUBSTATION FOR THE CITY AT SOME POINT. SO OKAY, BUT DID I READ THE LETTER RIGHT TO STEPHEN? TOLD THEM THEY HAD THEY GOT THIS WAS IN 21 WHEN WE WROTE THIS. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. YEAH. AND THEY'RE NOT. SO THIS THIS SEPTEMBER, THERE'S THERE'S, IT'S ACTUALLY EXPIRES. AND SO IF IF WE ALL AGREE TO, TO MOVE IN THIS PARTICULAR DIRECTION, WE WOULD HAVE OUR STAFF MEET WITH THEM AND START TALKING ABOUT THAT RELOCATION PIECE. SO. OKAY. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION LIKE MORE THAN NODS OF THE HEAD, BUT I THINK I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE, YES, OKAY, EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME. WE JUST REALIZE THAT THAT SHOULD BE PATIENT. ONCE THEY HAVE A PLAN, LIKE WE'RE NOT BUILDING SOMETHING. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF. YEAH, IT'S MORE OF A SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM A DATE, CERTAIN KIND OF A THING TO BE OFF THE PROPERTY, I THINK RIGHT AFTER CONVERSATION. YEAH. WELL, BUT IT WAS A DATE. I MEAN, YEAH, RIGHT. LIKE FIVE YEARS. DO THEY, DO THEY PAY ANY RENT OR. NO, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE DO. I'M JUST SAYING IF I GOT THIS LETTER, BUT IF IT IS TWO YEARS AGO, I'D BE REALLY PUTTING THE PEN TO PAPER. BUT I THINK THIS WOULD ALLOW US AFTER WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE THE DIALOG AND REPORT BACK WITH US. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'VE GOT ONE MORE ITEM, A TEN MINUTE ITEM, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A BREAK. SO IF WE CAN HAVE 
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OUR. OKAY VOTE TO COME FORWARD AND TALK TO US ABOUT WASATCH AGREEMENT AMENDMENT. YEAH. SO I TALKED REALLY LOUD. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT BREAKING EARDRUMS. ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. SO YOU'RE WELCOME. ADDITION THEN. OKAY. WE HAVE TOO MANY TIMES. 
          IT'S LIKE, WILL YOU PLEASE SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER? SO GREAT. YEAH. I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE OPPOSITE, IN FACT. SO GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE WASATCH AGREEMENT AMENDMENT. 
          A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT. SO THIS GROUP, THIS WASATCH GROUP, ALSO KNOWN AS ORCHARD PARK, CAME IN SEPTEMBER 24TH WANTING A SPECIAL RATE CASE. THEY REQUESTED A SPECIAL RATE CASE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOLAR AND BATTERY ON THEIR PREMISES. SO THEY SAID TO USE OUR EQUIPMENT. WE WE WANT THIS SPECIAL RATE CASE TO BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE 
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OUR BATTERY OVER PEAK USAGE AND CHARGE OUR BATTERY OVER SOLAR. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT PAYING THE HIGHER PEAK PRICES. SO WE WENT BACK AND KIND OF USED OUR BEST GUESS TO SAY, OKAY, THESE RATES ARE APPLICABLE. AND OVER THE COURSE OF SEPTEMBER 24TH TO NOW, WE HAVE GOTTEN ACCURATE DATA TO BETTER REFLECT WHAT THOSE RATES SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE RATE CASE OR, SORRY, THE RATE INCREASE OF LAST YEAR IN OCTOBER. SO WE WENT BACK AND CULTURE COULD BETTER EXPLAIN THE DATA HERE IN JUST A SEC. WE WENT BACK AND SAID, OKAY, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE NEW DEMAND CHARGE AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE NEW ENERGY RATE. SO LET'S SEE. I BELIEVE THAT THE OKAY, SO THE NON PEAK IS GOING TO BE THE ENERGY COST IS $0.37 PER KILOWATT HOUR TO $0.40 OR SORRY, 0.0 $0.04. AND THE DEMAND CHARGE IS GOING TO GO FROM 5.5 PER KW TO SIX $6 KW. WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE HISTORICAL DATA AND DID WHAT DID SHOW THAT THEY WERE NOT ACTUALLY MISUSING THEIR BATTERY. THEY WERE ACTUALLY DISCHARGING OVER PEAK, AND THEY WERE ACCURATELY CHARGING OVER SOLAR HOURS. SO THE CONTRACT WAS WRITTEN APPROPRIATELY. AND SO THIS ALL THIS AMENDMENT IS DOING IS CHANGING THE RATE STRUCTURE TO BETTER REFLECT THAT ANY ONE GROUP IS NOT SUBSIDIZING ANOTHER WITHIN IDAHO FALLS POWER'S RATES. SO THE ATTENTION THAT WOULD BE TO BRING THIS FORWARD FOR APPROVAL OF COUNCIL AT THE NEXT NOT THE NOT THIS THURSDAY, BUT THE WEEK AFTER THAT. AND WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY TO DECIDE THAT, IF POSSIBLE, WHERE WE COULD MAKE THAT VARIABLE BASED ON FUTURE RATE INCREASES RATHER THAN HAVING AN INDEPENDENT AGREEMENT, HAVE TO COME EACH TIME WE DO A FEE RESOLUTION. SO THAT'S SOME AUDITING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER, IF POSSIBLE, SO THAT THIS WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME AS ITS OWN SEPARATE AGREEMENT. IT COULD JUST BE ADDRESSED WITH EACH NEW FEE RESOLUTION. SO HOW MANY AGREEMENTS DO WE HAVE LIKE THIS. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE ACTUALLY THIS IS KIND OF UNIQUE VERY MUCH IN THE INDUSTRY ISN'T IT. YES. YES SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. SO DID THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT HAVE SOME PROVISION THAT ALLOWED FOR THIS TO HAPPEN TO LOOK AT AND GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, NOW WE HAVE REAL NUMBERS. 
          HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. CORRECT. SO WE ACTUALLY COULD HAVE REALISTICALLY, BACK IN PREVIOUS YEARS, OCTOBER, WHEN THE PREVIOUS RATE CHANGE WENT INTO EFFECT, WE COULD HAVE PROBABLY DONE SOMEWHAT OF AN ANALYSIS TO SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO RAISE YOUR RATES, BUT HAVING THE FULL TOTAL YEAR WAS A BETTER REFLECTION OF WHAT THAT SHOULD BE. THE PROVISION WITHIN THE THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN DID ALLOW US, I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE MONTH LEAD TIME TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY INCREASE YOUR RATES. THERE IS A NEGOTIATION PERIOD THAT THEY COULD DO, BUT REALISTICALLY, THEY THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH POWER IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE IF THEY DECLINE THE RATE INCREASE, THEN THEY WOULD JUST BE A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER. THE RATE WOULD GO AWAY. EXACTLY. THERE'S A MONOPOLY. WE DON'T HAVE A MONOPOLY. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO IN THIS CASE THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TOO MUCH LEVERAGE. SO WE AS CHRIS ALLUDED TO, WE'RE GOING TO RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH JACOB TO TO WRITE A PROVISION IN THEIR. THEY ALREADY ACTUALLY EXECUTED THE AMENDMENT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SEND IT BACK WITH JUST THE RED LINE TO SAY, GOING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO MASSAGE THIS IN. YEAH. AND SO JUST JUST TO REITERATE THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGE AND THAT ADJUSTMENT ALREADY. WE JUST NEED TO GO BACK AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST COULDN'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CURIOUS. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE BECAUSE WE HAD A REALLY UNUSUAL YEAR THIS YEAR AS FAR AS POWER USAGE, I THINK WITH THE WEATHER. AND SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING THESE CHANGES ON A, ON AN OFF YEAR. I'M, I'M, I'M THINKING ANYWAY, SO YEAH, SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS BASED ON HISTORICAL. AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO LET COLTER TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN REGARDS TO TWO YEARS NOW, THE DATA THAT HE'S ACTUALLY USING TWO YEARS OF DATA. YES. WE'VE GOT TWO YEARS OF DATA. THE THE ONLY MONTH THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY FOUND THEIR PEAK LOAD, BECAUSE WE AGGREGATE ALL OF THE METERS THAT ARE ON THIS BUILDING STRUCTURE TO BE TOGETHER SO THAT THEIR, THEIR DEMAND CHARGE IS ALL SUMMED UP TOGETHER ON A 15 MINUTE INTERVAL BASIS. AND SO IT'S KIND OF CREATED LIKE A VIRTUAL METER THAT WE BUILT A TOTAL DEMAND CHARGE FOR THE ANY UNITS THAT ARE ON THIS RATE STRUCTURE. 
          AND THE ONLY TIME THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD THAT DEMAND, THAT MAX DEMAND TIME FALL WITHIN THE TIME THAT IS THE HIGHER RATE STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE SET OUT WAS THE VERY FIRST MONTH THAT IT WENT OUT. I JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR BATTERIES INSTALLED OR PROGRAMED CORRECTLY, BUT EVERY TIME SINCE THEN, IT HAS THEIR PEAK DEMAND RATE FOR THE AGGREGATION OF ALL THESE METERS HAS FALLEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT PERIOD. AND WE DID AN ANALYSIS BASED ON THE INTENTION OF THIS WAS TO MOVE THEIR PEAK DEMAND OUTSIDE OF 
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THAT, THAT BLOCK PERIOD OF TIME, BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN POWER PRICES ARE TRADITIONALLY THE HIGHEST AMOUNT. AND SO IF THEY CAN MOVE IT AWAY FROM THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY WEREN'T ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LESS OF A LOAD ON OUR SYSTEM AND WE'RE PAYING LESS FOR POWER. SO THOSE THREE HOURS FOR US ARE, IS IT FOR 30 TO. I MEAN, I THINK YEAH, IT'S LIKE 6 TO 9 P.M. MOUNTAIN TIME. I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING SHORT ON TIME, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO THE IDAHO FALLS POWER INTO WASATCH. BOTH. THIS WAS A REAL INNOVATIVE CONCEPT. AND THE FACT THAT ONE, THEY THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE IT. I MEAN, THEY SAID THEY THINK THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK. AND THEY DID. AND TO YOUR POINT, IT KNOCKS ALL THOSE PEAKS OFF FOR US. AND I THINK THAT'S KUDOS TO BOTH HALVES OF THAT. WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN WITH THAT IS THAT OUR POWER RATES WERE SO LOW TO BEGIN WITH. THIS WAS A TOUGHER MARKET FOR THEM, I WOULD THINK, FROM WHAT OTHER PLACES THEY'VE DONE THIS, BECAUSE THERE WAS PROBABLY HUGE SAVINGS FOR THEM IN MARKETS LIKE CALIFORNIA WHERE YEAH, SURE. TO TO LOWER THAT PEAK. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. SO I THINK IT'S COOL THAT WE STILL. AND SO YOU THINK THEIR SYSTEMS JUST WORKING THERE. AS SOON AS THEY START HITTING, THEY THEY SWITCH TO THEIR BATTERIES, RIGHT. YEAH. 
          AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY WATCH THEIR DEMAND CURVE. IF YOU, IF YOU CHART IT ON A GRAPH, THE USAGE, IF YOU TAKE LIKE ANY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER, YOU KIND OF GET THIS CURVE THAT STARTS TO PEAK DURING THE EVENING TIMES. AND THEN IF YOU TAKE LIKE THE WASATCH AGGREGATION, AS SOON AS THAT PEAK TIME HAPPENS, YOU SEE LIKE A SHARP, A SHARP DECLINE AS THEIR BATTERIES START TO DISCHARGE AND FILL THEIR LOAD. AND SO THE BATTERIES ARE, I THINK THEY JUST HAD A SERIES OF SMALL LIKE HALF MEGAWATTS. OH YEAH. THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAIRLY SMALL AND THEY PUT THEM IN THEIR BASEMENTS. AND IT REALLY IS WORKING THAT THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF RECHARGE FROM SOLAR RATHER THAN FROM OUR. FROM OUR. CORRECT. YES. SO THEIR NET METERING IN THE SENSE OF LIKE WHEN SOLAR IS SHINING, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CHARGE THEIR BATTERIES WITH THE SOLAR. AND THEN ANY ACCESS THAT THEY HAVE, IT COMES BACK ONTO OUR SYSTEM AND WE PAY THE NET METERING RATE, BUT IT'S REALLY SMOOTH. THEIR DEMAND FROM US IS THAT AN ACCURATE CHARACTERIZATION OF SMOOTH THAT? YEAH, I THINK THIS IS IT'S KIND OF AN INNOVATIVE SOLUTION BECAUSE YOU START TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OR YOU START TALKING ABOUT LARGER COMPANIES OR POWER COMPANIES DOING THESE BATTERY SOLUTIONS AND THAT THEY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF SOLAR OPPORTUNITY AND THEY CHARGE THE BATTERY, AND THEN THEY DISCHARGE THE BATTERIES ONTO THE SYSTEM TO TRY TO PREVENT OR TRY TO REDUCE THAT LOAD DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES. AND SO THIS IS KIND OF LIKE DOING THAT, EXCEPT IT'S A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT'S AGGREGATING THEIR METERS OR THAT WE'RE AGGREGATING THEIR METERS FOR THAT PRIVATE ENTITY AND ESSENTIALLY TREATING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE METERS FOR THIS ENTITY AS ONE BILLABLE UNIT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT MODEL THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AS A WAY FOR OUR GENERAL CUSTOMERS IF THEY PUT IN TESLA, YOU KNOW, OR THOSE TYPES OF AND WE COULD DISTRIBUTE SOME OF THIS. SO IT'S KIND OF THAT FIRST, LIKE HAVING A SMART GRID FOR OUR. CORRECT. YEAH. THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY. AND I'M PLANNING TO WORK WITH SARAH HERE IN THESE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO LOOK AT WHAT A VIRTUAL POWER PLANT COULD BE, WHETHER THAT BE WITH SOMEONE'S BATTERY, WHETHER THAT BE WITH SOMEONE'S SMART THERMOSTAT, WHETHER THAT, I MEAN, THE SKY'S THE LIMIT. 
          AND TO BE HONEST WITH THE DATA CENTER CONVERSATION, DISTRIBUTING POWER ACROSS A LOT OF SMALL IS ANOTHER. ABSOLUTELY. THESE MICROGRIDS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF GRANTS AS WELL FOR, FOR MICROGRIDS, NOT ONLY FOR WILDFIRES, BUT ALSO TO YOUR POINT, ONE INTERESTING SMALL TIDBIT ABOUT THIS WASATCH AGREEMENT IS THAT THEY ARE CONTINUING TO CONTINUING TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO IT'S YES, IT'S GOING TO GET BIGGER. YEAH. COULD CONTINUE INCREASING. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT SNOW IN THE WINTER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE SNOW ON THESE SOLAR PANELS LAST YEAR. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO ALL WINTER THEY WERE PRODUCING POWER. AND I MEAN THE SNOW STICKING TO THESE SOLAR PANELS NOT VERY LONG, BUT I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY. QUICK, ONE MORE QUESTION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE VERY WEST EDGE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL. SO WILL THIS FALL UNDERNEATH THIS SAME AGREEMENT? IT SHOULD. THERE'S CURRENTLY SEVERAL BUILDINGS. I KNOW THERE'S LIKE A RETIREMENT FACILITY THERE AS WELL. AND I THAT THAT FACILITY IS NOT ON THIS AGREEMENT. SO I THINK IT'S ONLY THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT THEY HAVE. THEY'VE GOT SOME TOWNHOMES AND STUFF THAT AREN'T AS WELL, BUT IT'S THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY. AND THEN THEY'RE EXPANDING THAT AND THEY'RE BUILDING MORE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WILL GET ADDED INTO THIS AS THE THINGS THAT THEY LOSE, THAT THEY SELL OFF, AS IT WERE, DON'T FALL UNDER THIS LIKE TOWNHOMES IF THEY SOLD OR THE COMMERCIAL RETIREMENT. CORRECT. IT'S JUST THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX EVENTUALLY. YEAH. AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE DOCUMENT THAT'S IN THIS PACKET. IS THAT THE FULL DOCUMENT OR JUST THE AMENDMENT PART? THAT SHOULD JUST BE THE AMENDMENT. THE FULL DOCUMENT I CAN DISTRIBUTE OUT COULD. YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD IF 
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YOU DO THAT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SMOKE EM IF YOU GOT IT. TWO MINUTES LATE. 
          PRETTY CLOSE. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS UTILITIES. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN INTRODUCED TO CHRIS. NICE TO ME WELCOME BACK. WE ARE. WE ARE WAY OVER TIME. BUT I'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT CLOCK, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M WATCHING ANY LONGER. BUT THAT CLOCK IS OFF BY 15 MINUTES NOW. IT IS 10:00. IT IS. WE SHOULD JUST TAKE IT DOWN AFTER TEN. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT WE WERE OFF BY SO FAR. ALL RIGHT, SO HOW. YEAH. 
          DID WE JUST. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS WITH THAT CLOCK. THE BATTERY. THE BATTERY IS JUST ALL THE TIME. ALL THE TIME. KEMP POWER HANDLE THAT. SOMEHOW THE BATTERY DIES. I MEAN, WHY DO WE HAVE A BATTERY CLOCK WHEN WE OWN A ELECTRIC UTILITY? REALLY GOT A IT'S IT'S ALWAYS RUNNING A LITTLE SLOW, BUT I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S CURSED. OKAY, SO WELCOME 
          [PWD – WATER ]
TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. AND THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE DO HAVE IS IRRIGATION UTILITY STATUS. I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT STATUS THAT WAS PREPARED AND THEN SOME CONVERSATION THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO HAVE. THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION YESTERDAY ABOUT IRRIGATION IN THE PARKS. SO WE CAN HAVE BOTH OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN TEN MINUTES, -15. WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY AMBITIOUS. OKAY. I'LL LET I'LL INTRODUCE DAVE AND LET HIM SPEAK TO THE STATUS OF IRRIGATION UTILITY. OKAY. FOR THE IRRIGATION UTILITY, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS CITY PARKS. I'LL GET STARTED THERE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE CITY PARKS THAT ARE EITHER CONVERTED OR UNDER CONVERSION, KIND OF AT THE MOMENT UNDER DESIGN AND BEING BID OUT. THAT BEING PINECREST WAS THE ORIGINAL WE HAD LAST YEAR. COMMUNITY AND ERICKSON PARKS COME ONLINE RECENTLY. 
          CONSTRUCTION OF FREEMAN PARK HAPPENING CURRENTLY. IT'S SET TO WRAP UP PROBABLY THIS FALL. 
          WILL NOT BE ON SURFACE WATER FOR IRRIGATION THIS SEASON, BUT IT WILL MOST LIKELY HIT NEXT SPRING. WE'RE HOPEFUL TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME THIS FALL TO KICK THE TIRES ON THAT PUMP STATION AND SEE HOW WELL IT PERFORMS. AND THEN WE JUST RECENTLY DID OFFICE PARK FOR HALF OF OFFICE PARK, BASICALLY TO COME ONLINE FOR SURFACE WATER IRRIGATION. THAT BID SHOULD BE COMING TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL HERE SHORTLY. WITH REGARDS TO PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. OH, LET ME ADDRESS THE TWO FUTURE PARK CONVERSIONS. AT SOME POINT, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET OFFICE COMPLETELY ON TO PRESSURIZED IRRIGATION RIGHT NOW, WITH LIMITATIONS FROM THE EXISTING IRRIGATION SYSTEM. WE DO NOT BELIEVE WE CAN. SO OFFICE IS SPLIT KIND OF IN HALF, HALF TO BE CONVERTED NOW AND THEN THE OTHER HALF AT SOME FUTURE POINT WHERE WE CAN OR WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY THE SOCCER FIELDS OUT ON THE WEST END OF TOWN, THE SOCCER COMPLEX OFF OF OLD VIEW. ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY HAVE WATER RIGHTS, SURFACE WATER RIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. HENCE THOSE ARE WHY WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO TARGET THOSE AREAS. AS FAR AS PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT GOES. YOU CAN GO BACK ONE MORE SLIDE. SORRY. 13 CURRENT PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW OR GETTING SET TO ENTER CONSTRUCTION. SO WE WILL HAVE 13 PUMP STATIONS FOR DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL BE COMING ONLINE PROBABLY IN THE NEXT YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF OR SO. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND FORWARD. PRESSURIZED IRRIGATION UTILITY. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THIS. NONE OF THEM WILL. THE PRESSURIZED IRRIGATIONS FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WILL COME ONLINE THIS YEAR. THEY SHOULD COME ONLINE SPRING THE FIRST ONES THAT WE HAVE. SO THIS FALL WINTER WE ARE GOING TO BE SETTING UP EXPENSE AND REVENUE AND BUILD CODES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO ALL THE BACKGROUND WILL BE ESTABLISHED SO THAT WHEN HOMEOWNERS MOVE INTO THOSE LOCATIONS, THEY HAVE A BILLING MECHANISM AND THOSE PRESSURIZED IRRIGATION FUNDS ARE KEPT SEPARATE FROM THE CULINARY WATER FUNDS. WE ARE LOOKING TO DO METERED SERVICES. 
          $15 IS A BASE RATE CURRENTLY WITH NO VOLUMETRIC RATE, AND THAT'S INTENTIONAL UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME MORE DATA BACK FROM THESE PUMP STATIONS AS TO HOW MUCH WE WILL EXPENSE THE CITY 
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WILL INCUR TO WHERE WE CAN HONE IN ON THOSE RATES, WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS AT $15, WHICH IS WHAT OUR CURRENT PRESSURIZED, OUR CURRENT IRRIGATION RATE IS ON THE CULINARY SYSTEM. SO IT'S JUST A MATCH, BASICALLY. IN ESSENCE, IT ACTS LIKE A $15 FLAT RATE UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME MORE DATA. SO THEY'LL INSTALL A SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND WE'LL GET THE WATER TO THEM FROM THE CANAL THROUGH FROM A PUMP SYSTEM. OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE START HAVING ISSUES ON THEIR PROPERTY, BLOWING UP HEADS AND PIPE AND THINGS LIKE WE'VE HAD AT COMMUNITY PARK, AND THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE FOR FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. THEY SHOULD, BY CURRENT STANDARDS, THE MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING GOING IN, THEY WILL TEST HOW MUCH WATER AND PRESSURE THAT THEY GET, AND THAT HELPS THEM DO THEIR DESIGN FOR THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM. OKAY. WE WOULDN'T BE ON THE HOOK FOR IT. NO, IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. SO YEAH, O&M DATA WILL BE COLLECTED AND ANALYZED TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT RATE IS GOING TO BE. AND O&M CURRENTLY WILL BE COVERED BY EXISTING STAFF. AS WE START TO DETERMINE HOW MANY NEEDS, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE FOR THESE PRESSURIZED IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. CAITLIN, GO AHEAD ON THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S PRESSURIZED IRRIGATION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS NOW REGARDING PRESSURIZED IRRIGATION. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHEN I WAS AT THE FARMERS MARKET, THIS CAME UP. SOMEONE ASKED, WITH ALL THE PRESSURE ON IRRIGATION, YOU KNOW, IN THE REGION, US GOING TO THIS LIKE STATE LEVEL, WE'RE HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY AS A STATE CODE THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE IRRIGATION WATER RIGHTS, THAT YOU'RE TO USE SURFACE WATER TO IRRIGATE YOUR. YES, YES. SO THAT'S WHAT'S TAKEN US TO THE AGREEMENTS WITH IRRIGATION DISTRICT. WE HAVE A CONVERSATION. OKAY. SO OH, GO AHEAD. YEAH. THE THREE OF US. YEAH. GO AHEAD. PJ AND BRANDON AND I STARTED TALKING YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS CONTRACT THAT'S COMING UP FOR THE TOUGHEST PART. AND WE'RE A LITTLE WORRIED THAT WE'RE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS AT US. LIKE WE'VE OPENED AT COMMUNITY PARK WITH WITH PROBLEMS WITH THE SYSTEM NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THE PRESSURES OR WHATEVER THE PROBLEM IS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, AND THEREFORE IT'S HARD TO FIX. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE CHASING LEAKS ALL THE TIME RIGHT OUT THERE, SO I JUST WANT SOME ASSURANCE ABOUT US THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN INTO THESE SAME KIND OF THINGS. WELL, I GOT A SECOND QUESTION ABOUT THIS TOO, BUT CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT FOR ME? SO WE MET LAST WEEK, PJ'S GROUP, OUR GROUP ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCES BOTH AT COMMUNITY WORK PLAN AT FREEMAN THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT AND GOING FORWARD WITH OFFICE. AND TO EVALUATE THOSE SYSTEMS. BECAUSE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IS THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AT EACH PARK. THAT'S WHAT PARKS HAVE COMMUNICATED. AND IN THAT EVALUATION, WE ESTABLISHED THAT AS WE'RE BLOWING OUT LINES THIS FALL, WE'LL EVALUATE THE SYSTEMS, SEE WHAT THE CONCERNS MIGHT BE, LOOK FOR HOME, LOOK FOR THE CULINARY CONNECTIONS AS WELL, AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ADAPT TO HAVE A SMOOTHER TRANSITION, AS WE DO WITH START UPS NEXT SPRING AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED. OKAY. I'M JUST WORRIED. I MEAN, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT YESTERDAY. THAT OFFICE IS SPLIT IN TWO BASICALLY. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE PARK. THIS THIS CONTRACT THAT WE'RE TALKING TO IS TOMORROW IS FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE PARK, BASICALLY. YEAH. OKAY. NOW LET PJ SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. YEAH. I THINK AS CHRIS ALLUDED TO, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OUR SYSTEMS ARE DIFFERENT AGES, DIFFERENT MATERIALS THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR PARK SYSTEMS. AND SO THE CONCERN FOR ME DEFINITELY IS, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE EXPRESSED, CERTAINLY WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES AT COMMUNITY. I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHERE THE BREAKS ARE ALL HAPPENING AND WHAT'S GOING ON. THE HARD PART FOR US IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS THAT WE'VE HAD TEN BREAKS, TEN MAIN LINE BREAKS AT COMMUNITY PARK THIS YEAR, EACH ONE, YOU KNOW, COSTING US AROUND $2,500 PER FIX. THAT'S IN KIND OF PARTS AND LABOR. AND SO JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE GO INTO A MUCH LARGER PARK, WE'VE HAD A LOT BETTER SUCCESS AT AT SUNNYSIDE, WE'VE HAD SOME HICCUPS. THAT WAS MORE OF A PRESSURE ISSUE THAT WAS KICKING THE THE PUMPS OFF. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT GOT THAT FIXED BETWEEN OUR OUR TEAMS. AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUNNYSIDE, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A. IT IT LOOKS AMAZING. AND SO WE'VE HAD ONE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL STORY AND ONE THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, A NIGHTMARE FOR US OR A CONCERN 
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FOR US. AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT DEFINITELY BRINGS IT FOR ME, BRINGS UP THE CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH FREEMAN. WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE REALLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. BUT I DO THINK THAT BRINGING IN A MAIN LINE OR BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, THOSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE HEART OF THIS SYSTEM PROBABLY DOES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, NO MATTER WHAT PROJECT WE DO. SO A QUESTION THEN RELATING TO THAT KNOWING AGAIN, ONCE ONCE WE HAD THE SYSTEM INSTALLED AND IT WAS TURNED OVER TO PARKS, AND THEN WE HAD ALL THE THE CHALLENGES THAT CAME UP AT COMMUNITY. WHAT'S THE AVERSION OR IS THERE AN AVERSION TO POSTPONING OR AT LEAST WAITING FOR TOPHUS UNTIL WE KNOW WE'RE DIALED IN ON THESE SYSTEMS SO WE DON'T HAVE A REPLICATION OF WHAT HAPPENED AT COMMUNITY TO HAPPEN AT TOPHUS? LIKE WHEN I THINK OF AND I RECOGNIZE WE'RE ALL ONE TEAM HERE. SO WHEN I SAY THIS, BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT LIKE IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, WHEN I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACTOR THAT COMES IN AND INSTALLS A SYSTEM LIKE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM FOR DEVELOPMENT, I'M DOING RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WARRANTING THAT SYSTEM FOR ME FOR THE FIRST 12 MONTHS. 
          SO IF THERE'S PROBLEMS THAT COME UP, THEY'RE HANDLING IT. IT'S NOT KICKED OVER TO ME. AND NOW I'VE GOT TO DO ALL THAT PLUS EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE WORKING ON. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF COORDINATION THAT WE HAVE ON THAT REALM OR IF THERE IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF SENSE THAT, HEY, MAYBE WAITING TO SEE HOW IT HAPPENS AT FREEMAN AND HAVE WE WORKED OUT ALL THE KINKS AND COMMUNITY? WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED? SO THAT BECAUSE PJ, YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT FROM THE QUESTION THAT JIM AND I WERE ASKING YESTERDAY, I DIDN'T GET THE SENSE THAT YOU REALLY HAVE THE STAFF TO. IF WE IF WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE SAME ISSUES THAT WERE HAPPENING AT THOMAS, IT WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR US. FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON YOUR PLATE. YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN FOR US OF, OF JUST TRYING TO DO OUR EVERYDAY JOB ON TOP OF SOME OF THESE NEW HICCUPS THAT HAVE THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. SO I, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY THINK IT'D BE A, IT'S A CONCERN OF OURS. SO GIVEN THAT WHAT'S WHAT TELL ME, HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU WOULD. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AGAIN, THE ELECTION IS TO EVALUATE THE SYSTEM. WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO. AS WE BLOW OUT THE SPRINKLER LINES THIS FALL, SEE IF WE HAVE THE SAME SYSTEM AS WE HAVE AT COMMUNITY. LOOK AT THOSE PROBLEMS. I CALL THEM PROBLEMATIC. YEAH, SURE. YEAH, YEAH, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IF WE IDENTIFY THAT SYSTEM WILL INCORPORATE THEM WITH THE PROJECT EITHER VIA CHANGE ORDER OR A SEPARATE PROJECT. THIS PROJECT GETS THE PUMP FROM THE CANAL TO THE SYSTEM ON THE MAIN LINE. AND THEN IN MOVING FORWARD, THE ADDRESSING THE MAINLINE ISSUES TO GET IT OPERABLE WOULD BE EVALUATED AND CONSIDERED EITHER VIA A SEPARATE CONTRACT OR A CHANGE ORDER ON THIS ONE AS PROPOSED. DEPENDING ON THE MAGNITUDE AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN GET ESTABLISHED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK SO. SO LOOKING BACK AT COMMUNITY, IS THERE A WAY TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, ISSUES BEEN RESOLVED OR WE STILL HAVE ALL THESE ISSUES AND REALLY WE JUST NEED A NEW MAIN LINE? WHAT WHAT IS THE WITH COMMUNITY? WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AT THE MAIN LINE, THERE'S TEAMS THAT ARE HAVING BREAKS AND THOSE LOCATIONS, AND WE HAVE BASICALLY COUNTED THEM UP AND EVALUATED WHICH ONES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. WE'VE EVALUATED SOME RESTRAINTS ON THOSE TEAMS THAT CAN BE INSTALLED ON THE REMAINING ONES AS WELL. SO I MEAN, EVENTUALLY IT'S JUST THAT THE IDEA OF HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO THAT VERSUS REPLACE THE MAIN LINE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I GUESS THERE'S THIS COST ANALYSIS BENEFIT, IT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS THAT'S KIND OF BEING RUN OVER. SO IT'S GOT TO BE, IT'S GOT TO BE INTEGRATED BETWEEN YOUR TWO DEPARTMENTS. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, I MEAN, PARKS SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE USING THEIR PERSONNEL TO RUN DOWN ALL THESE PROBLEMS. RIGHT. AND, AND WHY HAS THAT IRRIGATION MAINTENANCE SYSTEM. RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONES THAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM. RIGHT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO SOMEBODY TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY, WHY WE'RE NOT THE TWO DEPARTMENTS, THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AREN'T SPLITTING THE COSTS OF THIS, OF OF FIXING THIS STUFF, BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM IF WE HADN'T CONVERTED. RIGHT. AND THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE CONVERTED. SO WE'RE SAVING THE WATER DEPARTMENT A BUNCH OF WATER, RIGHT? IS THE POINT OF GOING TO SURFACE IRRIGATION, RIGHT. WELL, WATER. RIGHT. SO SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE OUGHT TO BE SHARING THE COST BETTER RATHER THAN PUTTING IT ALL ON PARKS. YOU GUYS ADDRESS THAT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SPOKE TO IN OUR MEETING PRIOR IS WORKING TOWARDS A SOLUTION THAT WOULD GET US BOTH THERE AND, YOU KNOW, FINDING OUT WHAT WATER CONSERVATION FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS. OKAY. THAT YOUR 
          [02:00:01]
CONCERNS THAT YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY OF YOUR STAFF TIME CHASING THIS STUFF DOWN AND NOT BEING REIMBURSED FOR IT? YEAH, I THINK TOMORROW WE'RE MEETING TO, TO DISCUSS A GRANT, SOME GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE THAT ARE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE TO HELP US WITH THIS. BUT I DO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT DOES ADDRESS THAT. IT IS IT IS OUR STAFF THAT'S OUT THERE WORKING. BUT BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO DOWNPLAY THAT THERE HAS BEEN COOPERATION THROUGHOUT THIS COOPERATIVE WORK THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. THESE GUYS HAVE, AS WE HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH THE PUMPS AND THE PUMP STATIONS. I KNOW THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN OUT THERE TO HELP FACILITATE. SO THEY'RE SPENDING STAFF TIME TO. OH, YES. 
          OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE A KIND OF A PARALLEL QUESTION TO THAT. SO LET'S ASSUME YOU FIND FUNDING THAT HELPS OFFSET COST WHEREVER IT FINDS YOU JUST HAVE THE MAN HOURS TO DO, MAKE THE TRAINS RUN ON TIME AND FIX THE WATER SYSTEM. I MEAN, EVEN IF WE FUND IT, YOU KNOW, YOU FUND IT, WHATEVER IT HAPPENS. DO YOU HAVE THE MANPOWER TO MAKE ALL THAT HAPPEN IN THE TIME FRAME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO WHAT I WAS PROPOSING WAS TO EVALUATE WHAT'S NEEDED AND TRY TO DO A CHANGEOVER FOR THE FUNCTION OF THE SYSTEM FOR A MORE SMOOTH TRANSITION TO PARKS MAINTENANCE GROUP. SO IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO DOES THAT INVOLVE USING SOME OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL OR CONTRACT PERSONNEL? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK I THINK FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS STANDPOINT, THE BUDGET STANDPOINT, I MEAN, WHENEVER WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THE ENTERPRISE FUND AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, I THINK THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S REAL PART OF OUR STRUGGLE IS, YOU KNOW, THE TAXPAYER IS THE RATEPAYER AND BUDGETING THAT IT'S ALL WHETHER IT'S PARKS OR WATER, THAT'S WHAT I'M WRESTLING WITH. WELL, IT'S MY WATER FUND. PJ'S GOT HIS BUDGET. YEAH. AND AND YOU GUYS SEE THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS. BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THIS, IF WE CAN RIGHTSIZE THAT AND DOING IT WITH THAT IN MIND THAT WE WHEN WE CAN CHARGE RATEPAYERS FOR THE ACTUAL WHAT THE RATE IT IS TO MAKE THIS WORK BETTER. YEAH. AND I THINK EVERYONE'S. LET ME ASK YOU, IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THIS CONTRACT THURSDAY AND WE DECIDED TO WAIT A WHILE, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOUR TIMETABLE? SO IDEALLY, THE PROJECTS ARE STRUCTURED TO WORK IN THE FALL, IN THE SPRING, RIGHT. AND TRY TO GET US AS MUCH IRRIGATION. IS THERE WORK TO BE DONE THIS FALL STILL, IF WE SIGN THIS CONTRACT, IF WE SIGN THIS CONTRACT, WE WOULD DO THE MAINLINE WORK. WE WOULD DO THE THIS FALL. WHEN I SAY MAINLINE, I'M TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE DELIVERY FROM THE SURFACE IRRIGATION TO THE SYSTEM. THIS FALL, WE WOULD DO THE EVALUATION OF THIS SYSTEM AS SOON AS AVAILABLE AS WE BLOW OUT THE SPRINKLER LINES, AND THEN SEE WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE AND COME BACK TO YOU, EITHER WITH ANOTHER CONTRACT TO ADDRESS THE MAINLINE CONCERNS TO GET US, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT WORK WITHOUT THIS CONTRACT BEING SIGNED, THIS CONTRACT BEING SIGNED. IN MY MIND, THE WORK ON THIS CONTRACT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. IT'S OKAY. 
          IRREGARDLESS, WHATEVER WE DO FOR THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM TO OPERATE WITH THE PUMP AND THIS CONTRACT IN PLACE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I CONCUR WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT I WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OR MAYBE IF I COULD OFFER SUGGESTION IS AS WE'RE THINKING THROUGH THE TRANSITION THAT YOU SPEAK TO, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT WHERE IF IT'S YOUR TEAM THAT'S INSTALLING THIS, THAT YOU GUYS OPERATE IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO SAY, YEP, PARKS, IT IS IN GOOD WORKING CONDITION. WE'RE READY TO GIVE IT TO YOU AND THEN LET THEM TRULY MAINTAIN IT. 
          BUT YOU GUYS HAVE KIND OF WORKED OUT THE KINKS AS THE INSTALLERS AND THE KNOWERS OF EVERYTHING THAT WENT INTO THE GROUND, RIGHT. AND THEN TRANSITIONED TO PARKS. TO ME, THAT WOULD IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A SMOOTHER AND MAYBE YOU GUYS HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY FOR THE TRANSITION, BUT THAT SMOOTHNESS OF THE TRANSITION IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. AND WE WILL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT. PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT COMES WITH THAT IS JUST PARKS HAS THE EMPIRICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE ZONES, HOW THE SYSTEMS ARE DONE, HOW THEY BEEN PLOTTED OVER THE YEARS. AND SO MAYBE IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THAT. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. OKAY. BUT THANK YOU. I'M ON BOARD WITH SUPPORTING THEM. OKAY. IN THE PAST, IF I MAY, THE WATER HAS BEEN MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP IN EVERY ASPECT WITH COMMUNITY AND AND THE NETWORKS. AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, LIKE PJ WAS NOT AT ALL TRYING TO THROW ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE JIM AND I KEPT PEPPERING WITH QUESTIONS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON. SO I HOPE THIS CONVERSATION IS HELPFUL. IT IS. YES. FOR SURE. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD A GOOD EXAMPLE OF KIND OF WHERE COUNCIL IS TO JUST GET IT, GET A WORKING NEXT NEXT YEAR. SO WE DON'T KEEP HAVING AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, EVERY MORNING A MAIN LINE BREAKAGE IS NOT NOT THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. IT'S NOT THE 
          [02:05:07]
BEST IMAGE OF CONVERSION OF SURFACE WATER. YOU KNOW, ONE OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION IS JUST THE, EVEN THE AGE OF COMMUNITY PARKS SYSTEM. THAT'S ONE THING THAT THAT DOES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP AND IS WORRY OF TOPHUS IS IT IS IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT AGES OF, OF SYSTEM. IT'S, IT'S GOT EVERYTHING FROM GALVANIZED TO PVC TO, TO PEX TO, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IN THERE. AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY PROBABLY ALMOST NEEDS TO BE REPLACED ANYWAYS. AND IT'S AT THAT TIME. AND SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE DO WE, DO WE TIME IT JUST RIGHT TO WHERE WE CAN PUT SOME OF OUR IRRIGATION FUNDING INTO IT AND WE MATCH THE TWO AND WE AND WE ACTUALLY BUILD OUT WHATEVER THE THE FULL IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AT WHATEVER WE DO MOVING FORWARD OR LOOK AT THE AGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IT ON EITHER NEWER SYSTEMS OR SYSTEMS THAT ARE GOING TO LAST US, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 MORE YEARS RATHER THAN PUTTING IT ON AT THE END OF LIFE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN AND WE'RE SEEING WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF LIFE WITH THESE SYSTEMS. I THINK YOU REMINDED ME OF ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD FROM OUR CONVERSATION, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT WE SAW AT COMMUNITY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WE BOUGHT 2 OR 3 PUMPS IT ALL TOGETHER, AND WE'RE PLANNING TO INSTALL THE SAME TYPE OF PUMP AT THE OTHER PARKS. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? DO WE FEEL LIKE KNOWING NOW WHAT WE KNOW FROM COMMUNITY? IS THAT STILL THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO UTILIZE THOSE THAT TYPE OF PUMP? IS THAT ARE WE GOING DOWN THE RIGHT ROAD? I GUESS THOSE PUMPS ARE NECESSARY TO GET THE PRESSURE TO THE SYSTEM. OKAY. 
          IN THAT DESIGN, HOW THE DELIVERY AND THE ZONING AND HOW THAT'S BROKEN OUT IS FOR WHAT THE SYSTEM CAN HANDLE WOULD BE EVALUATED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AS WELL IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET A SYSTEM THAT'S MAINTAINABLE AND FUNCTIONAL FOR PARKS. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH PINECREST BECAUSE WE REDID THE WHOLE SYSTEM. IS THAT WHY WE DIDN'T? YEAH. SO THERE WAS A GRANT TO REDO THE WHOLE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. AND AND THEN THAT TRANSITION POINT VERY WELL. YEAH. IT WAS, IT WAS NOT A GRANT. IT WAS A, IT WAS AN ACTUAL LOAN FROM SOME OF THE OTHER UTILITIES TO THE GOLF COURSE AND THE GOLF COURSE REIMBURSED THOSE UTILITIES BACK OR IS IN THE PROCESS STILL. BUT THE KEY IS THE WHOLE SYSTEM WAS CHANGED. THE WHOLE SYSTEM WAS CHANGED OUT. BUT WHEN THE WHEN THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS WERE UTILIZED, IT WAS AS A LOAN TO BE PAID OFF BACK OVER TIME. ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT REAL QUICK ON PINECREST, I'M SORRY, IS THAT WE HAVE ALSO HAD ISSUES THERE. I MEAN, EVEN WITH A BRAND NEW SYSTEM, WHEN YOU ARE MOVING FROM KNOWING HOW TO IRRIGATE, FROM USING CITY WATER, MOVING TO WATER THAT IS FILTERED FROM THE CANAL, EVEN AS MICROBIAL AS YOU CAN GET OF FILTERS IN THERE, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET SEDIMENT AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COME THROUGH. AND SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WHERE WE'VE HAD INFRASTRUCTURE FAIL BECAUSE IT'S ALL BRAND NEW AND, AND, AND THAT, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE HAD ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD TO LEARN HOW TO IRRIGATE DIFFERENTLY. AND IT IS A, IT IS A CHANGE. AND ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES, TOO, IS THAT PINECREST HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A FUNDING. YES, TO RECOVER THOSE FEES. SO A DOLLAR, WHATEVER, $2 IT. BUT COMMUNITY PARK, SUNNYSIDE PARK, THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT. AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO TAKE A LOAN. AND PAY IT BACK. I MEAN, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO ROSE PARK. ROSE HILL CEMETERY, RIGHT? IS THAT PART OF IS THAT A SEPARATE CONVERSATION? IS THAT THAT'S USING A LOT OF WATER AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE SYSTEM. AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT FOR WE'VE HAD ON OUR CITY FOR A WHILE ON, ON GETTING TO THAT REPLACEMENT. THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT ARE ALSO AGAIN, UTILIZING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO USE SURFACE WATER IN, IN OR IN ROSE HILL ALREADY. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S AN OLDER SYSTEM, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ONE THAT WILL COME OFF OF, OF CITY WATER, BUT ON THE SURFACE. AND THEN WATER CONSERVATION DOLLARS FOR NEW SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, FOR THINGS LIKE TAPAS. IS THAT OPTIONAL? IS THAT A PLACE WHERE WE CAN GET SOME? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD THINK SO, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO FUND IT FROM FEES. SO WHEN WE DO NEED TO REPLACE THINGS LIKE AN OFFICE PARK, WHICH. AND WATER CONSERVATION, BEING IN COMPLIANCE NOW GIVES US ANOTHER. WELL, AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS DEFINITELY AN AMENITY IN A PARK, BUT IT IS. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD COUNT AS PARK DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR EYES AS A REPLACEMENT. YEAH. TYPICALLY, LWCF FUNDS EITHER ACQUIRE PROPERTY OR DEVELOP PROPERTY INTO OUTDOOR RECREATION WHERE THIS IS ALREADY OUTDOOR RECREATION. YEAH. THERE'S PORTIONS OF TOPICS THAT ARE LWCF PROTECTED, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. AND SO ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD BRING THE ENTIRE PARK IN UNDER LCIF PROTECTION AND MAKE IT SO THAT IT IS OUTDOOR 
          [02:10:03]
RECREATION IN PERPETUITY, WHICH DOES LOCK UP A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD POTENTIALLY NEED SOME CHANGES IN THE FUTURE. BUT, BUT IT'S A DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY. 
          THANKS. SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD WITH WITH THE THING TOMORROW? I THINK SO WITH THIS KIND OF COLLABORATION I'M OKAY. WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE YOU AS WE GO. OKAY. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE IT IS ON CONSENT FOR TOMORROW NIGHT. IF IF WE WANT TO, IF YOU'RE WELCOME TO PULL IT OFF AND HAVE MORE OF THIS DISCUSSION OR LEAVE IT ON CONSENT, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT IS ON, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY, OUR NEXT ITEM IS OUR WELL 
          [PWD – WATER ]
SITE AND CYBERSECURITY. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US, COUNCIL. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. 
          DIRECTOR TYLER. THANK YOU. YOU CAN HIT THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THIS YOU KNOW IDAHO FALLS POWER, YOU KNOW, PORTRAYED THIS MORNING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SCAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT THERE. BUT MORE RECENTLY, AS A RESULT OF THE WAR IN IRAN, WATER UTILITIES AND WASTEWATER UTILITIES HAVE BEEN HIT ACROSS THE NATION BY CYBERSECURITY INCIDENTS. USED TO BE CYBERSECURITY WAS TRYING TO ACQUIRE DATA AND INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE. BUT CYBERSECURITY CONCERNS NOW ARE AFFECTING SCADA SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE THE ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS THAT CONTROL WATER AND WASTEWATER PLANTS AND SYSTEMS. SO THERE WAS COORDINATED ATTACKS IN THE US ON WATER SYSTEMS, AND THAT'S AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS THAT'S EXPANDED SINCE THIS PAST JULY, MOST NOTABLY IN MICHIGAN AND MINNESOTA, I BELIEVE, WERE THE TWO STATES THAT GOT HIT THE HARDEST. SOME SYSTEMS WERE SHUT DOWN WHERE THEIR WATER, ALL THEIR PUMPS WERE TURNED OFF, WHICH CAUSED BOIL ORDERS OR JUST A LACK OF WATER AS REQUIRED. SOME UTILITIES TO ACTUALLY MANUALLY OPERATE THEIR SYSTEMS TO TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION. THAT BEING SAID, THOSE ATTACKS THAT EXPLOITED THOSE SCADA CONTROLS WERE FOUND BASICALLY TO BE ON SMALLER SYSTEMS. AND THESE ARE SYSTEMS THAT COULD NOT FUND ANY KIND OF IT PERSONNEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROTECT THEIR SYSTEMS. THEY SCADA PANELS THAT THE CONTROLLERS THAT THE EMPLOYEES WOULD UTILIZE CAME WITH PRESET PASSWORDS THAT HAD SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED. IN A LOT OF CASES. THEY WERE NOT CHANGED OR IN A LOT OF CASES, THEY WERE CHANGED TO A VERY SIMPLISTIC PASSWORD, ALL ZEROS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WERE VERY EASY TO EXPLOIT. SO WHAT WE FOUND IS IN THE REPORTING, THESE SYSTEMS THAT HAD VERY LITTLE KIND OF IT CONTROLS OR FIREWALLS OVER THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS WERE THE ONES THAT WERE GETTING TARGETED AND HIT. THAT BEING SAID, THE CITY, WITHOUT GETTING INTO, YOU KNOW, VOCALLY 100% WHAT OUR ACTIONS ARE, WE ARE WELL PROTECTED. I AM REMINDED OF THAT EVERY TIME I HOP ON MY COMPUTER AND TRY AND LOG IN AND HAVE TO RESET EITHER PASSWORDS OR DIAL MYSELF IN, IT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY IS PROTECTED, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GIVEN ALL THE NEWS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE, WE ARE COMFORTABLE THAT THE CITY IS IN A GOOD SPOT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE ARE ADEQUATE. WE LOVE GOOD NEWS. YOU NEED A LITTLE. WE ALL NEED A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM ONCE IN A WHILE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. DO WE KNOW HOW THEY GOT TO THE OTHERS? I'M SURE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING A GOOD JOB AS WELL. OH YEAH. THEY'RE ALWAYS OUT THERE AND THEY'RE ALWAYS PROBING, TRYING TO FIND WEAKNESSES AND EXPLOIT WEAKNESSES, BUT FINDING THOSE THAT THEY AS WELL AS ANYONE ELSE. THERE'S A FEW MANUFACTURERS OF THESE PANELS. YOU KNOW, THAT THESE, WHAT THEY CALL PLCS, LOGIC CONTROLLERS THAT YOU CAN LOG INTO, THEY CAN ORDER THOSE AS WELL AND SEE WHAT THOSE PRESET PASSWORDS ARE. IT'S NOT HARD PROBABLY TO, TO PICK THOSE OFF. SO IF THOSE ARE NOT CHANGED, IT'S VERY EASY TO, TO WORK YOUR WAY BACKWARDS INTO THOSE. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS AT AIC TO KIND OF EVALUATE LESSONS LEARNED AND LOOKING AT SOLUTIONS TO KIND OF BE PROACTIVE. YEAH. AND I THINK WITH AI, WE HAVE TO REALIZE THEY'RE GOING TO GET BETTER FASTER. SO WE'VE GOT TO CONTINUE TO GO FASTER. YEAH. SO, SO WHAT IF I GOT WHAT YOU SAID, RIGHT? BAD ACTORS WEREN'T LOOKING TO TARGET ANY PARTICULAR SYSTEM. THEY WERE JUST LOOKING FOR THE WEAK LINKS. EXACTLY. THEY WERE GOING ACROSS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE UNITED STATES LOOKING FOR ANY WAYS THAT THEY CAN BASICALLY PROGRAM. 
          [PWD – WASTEWATER]
          [02:15:01]
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR WASTEWATER UPDATE, AND I'LL BRING UP MR. BRODERICK. AND WHAT OUR INTENT IS, IS TO UPDATE YOU ON OUR DEWATERING STATUS WITH THE EMULSION. I'LL MENTION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME COMPOSTING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND AND OUR 65TH SEVENTH LINE DISCUSSIONS, BUT I'LL LET GREG SPEAK TO. THE DEWATERING. SO GOOD MORNING. 
          AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS GREG RODERICK. I'M THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR WASTEWATER. SO I'M FAIRLY NEW TO ALL THIS. I'LL START WITH THE DEWATERING. 
          GO AHEAD. HIT THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO EVERYTHING IN WASTEWATER WORKS BACKWARDS IF EVERYBODY DOESN'T KNOW THAT, SO TOO, WE USE DRY POLYMER. WE GET WET SLUDGE. SO WITH THE DRY POLYMER THAT WE WERE USING, YOU KNOW, OUR OVERALL GOAL IS TO GET TO 15 TO 18% DRY SOLIDS. WE WERE AVERAGING NINE AND A VERY FEW LIMITED TIMES. WE GOT TO 11% SOLIDS. SO AT THAT RATE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEEDED FOR THE CURRENT DESIGN OF OUR SYSTEM. WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO NOW YOU SEE LIQUID POLYMER. NOW WE HAVE DRY SLUDGE. SO IT WORKS BACKWARDS. WE WE USE THIS EMULSION POLYMER. ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT WORKS BETTER TO BIND WITH SLUDGE CHARACTERISTICS, MAKES OUR POLYMER OR MAKES OUR SLUDGE WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO COMPACT IT BETTER, DE-WATER IT MORE. AND WE ARE ABLE TO GET UP TO THE RANGE THAT WE NEED OF THAT 15 TO 18%. SOMETIMES THE BEST WE'VE HIT RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 17.5% A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY EARLY ON. WE'RE STILL USING A PILOT SKID THAT WAS LOANED TO US FROM FROM A SALESMAN. ESSENTIALLY, WE HAVE ORDERED THE NEW SKID. IT IS ON THE WAY THAT WE'LL HAVE BETTER CONTROL OF OUR POLYMER AND BE ABLE TO DIAL THAT IN EVEN FURTHER. WHERE THIS BENEFITS US IS WHEN WE UPGRADE OUR SOLIDS HANDLING, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          WE HAVE SOME DRYING, SOME COMPRESSING STUFF AND COMPOSTING OPTIONS. ALL THAT GIVE US MORE ABILITY TO TREAT OUR SLUDGE AND WITH POSSIBILITIES OF EVEN GETTING TO CLASS A, THAT STUFF WE'RE LOOKING INTO. CLASS A SLUDGE CAN BE IT'S EASIER TO GET RID OF, AND YOU EVEN HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SELL IT IF WE CAN GET IT GOOD ENOUGH. BUT OH, YOU CAN USE IT A LOT MORE PLACES. AND IT'D BE A LOT EASIER FOR US TO DISPOSE OF OUR SLUDGE IF WE CAN GET TO CLASS A. SO THIS IS ALL WORKING TOWARDS THAT AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT MORE OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO CAN I ASK A YES? I DON'T WANT TO DIG TOO DEEP ON THIS, BUT CLASS A IS THAT MORE A FUNCTION OF THE PHYSICAL PROPERTIES OF THE END RESULT, OR. IT'S IT'S BEEN STERILIZED. BASICALLY, IT'S SUBJECT TO A HIGH TEMPERATURE FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF SOLIDS. THERE'S SOME OTHER. YEAH, IT'S A STERILIZATION PROCESS. YOU HAVE CLASS A SLUDGE IS COMPOST. YOU BUY AT THE STORE AND PUT IT ON YOUR. YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS. THE EASIEST WAY TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLASS A, CLASS B, CLASS B IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND IT CAN BE PUT ON ANYTHING NOT DIRECTLY FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. SO YOU CAN USE IT TO GROW CROPS FOR ANIMAL FEED. IF WE GET TO CLASS A, IT IS SAFE FOR HUMAN USE. SO YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR FLOWER BEDS IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY GROW FOOD CROPS FOR HUMANS WITH GREEN FIELD OR WHATEVER. YEAH. SO OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS ON DEWATERING OR ANYTHING WE GOT GOING THERE? SO ARE WE ABLE TO IN-HOUSE DISTRIBUTE IT NOW TO FARMERS OR ARE WE AT THAT POINT OR ARE WE STILL WE ARE NOT AT CLASS A YET. WE NO, I DIDN'T MEAN THAT DOING OUR OWN DISTRIBUTION. INSTEAD, WE HAVE WE HAVE FIELDS. WE BUILD THE SLUDGE TO. CURRENTLY. YEAH, BOTH LIQUID AND SOLID FOAM. 
          THAT'S MADE POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE DUI. SO THE DE-WATERING CHANGES THE. IT BASICALLY REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF, OF SLUDGE DELIVERY REQUIRED QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, YOU CHANGED TRUCKS AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS AND THE. THE DRY IS SO MUCH NICER TO WORK WITH, EASIER TO WORK WITH THE SLUDGE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE IRON HORSE CONTRACT OR WHATEVER IT WAS CALLED. WE ARE UTILIZING THEM THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE WERE STILL KIND OF PILED UP DUE TO ALL THE DOWNTIME WE HAD WITH THIS. SO BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE ACTUALLY ALMOST COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR ON SITE SLUDGE. SO WE'RE AND THEN OUR LAGOON IS DOWN TO ABOUT 39% AS OF THIS MORNING. SO WE HAVE BEEN UTILIZING THEM THIS YEAR ALONG WITH OUR CREW. WE HAVE TRUCKS JUST RUNNING FROM 6 A.M. TO 4 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THE CONTRACT WITH IRON HORSE IS TO GET THE LAGOON DOWN. THIS PROJECT IS TO GET RID OF THE LAGOON ULTIMATELY, IDEALLY. SO IT'S AN ODOR GENERATOR. IT'S A SAVINGS ON GETTING RID OF THE WASTE. AND THEN WE HAVE IN-HOUSE WHAT WE CALL, I CALL THEM SLINGER TRUCKS THAT WE TAKE OUT TO THE FIELDS LOOKING AT COMPOSTING OR ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE IN THE FUTURE JUST HELPS US IN THE PROCESS AS 
          [02:20:05]
FIELDS GET HARDER TO GET DELIVERED. DO YOU HAVE ANYONE WHO YOU WOULD USE FOR COMMERCIALIZATION OF THE GRADE A LIKE? HAVE YOU GOT A TIMELINE THAT YOU'VE SAID LIKE, IF WE CAN REALLY GET THERE, HERE'S HOW WE COMMERCIALIZE IT AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE DIFFERENCE UP BETWEEN WHAT'S GOING TO COST TO GET THERE AND THEN BEING ABLE TO USE IT AS A THOSE OPTIONS WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING. I JUST CAME BACK FROM A TOUR LAST WEEK OF SOME COMPOSTING FACILITIES. THE WHAT I, I'VE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY TO SEE ABOUT DOING A PILOT COMPOSTING PROJECT, JUST TO SEE HOW OUR SOLIDS AND SEE THE AVAILABLE CHIPS AND GREEN WASTE AVAILABLE AT THE HATCH PIT COULD BE UTILIZED TO GENERATE SOME COMPOST AND JUST SEE WHAT WHERE WE GO, THE FACILITIES I OBSERVED. IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO STAND OUT ON A RUDIMENTARY BASIS, BUT THERE'S OPTIONS TO ENHANCE THINGS ALONG THE WAY THAT ARE QUITE EXTENSIVE. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES REFRESH MY MEMORY, THOUGH. WHERE DID I HEAR ABOUT A CITY BUILDING? OKAY, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THAT DID A WHOLE BIG. YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YEAH. BILLINGS, MONTANA. BILLINGS. 
          MONTANA. BILLINGS SET UP A COMPOSTING FACILITY THAT WAS QUITE EXTENSIVE AND ELABORATE WITH THE AIR EXCHANGE AND THINGS TO HELP GET THEM TO CLASS A, THEY WERE ALL SET UP. 
          THEY HAD AN INTERNAL. ALSO IN WASTEWATER INDUSTRY, THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WE CALL PFAS, WHICH ARE, WELL, POTENTIAL PLASTICS IN THE WATER AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY CAN COME THROUGH BIO STREAMS, THEY CAN COME THROUGH SANITATION, WASTE STREAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BILLINGS HAD SOME ARTICLES WRITTEN AND SOME INTERNAL CHOICES MADE TO SHUT DOWN THEIR COMPOSTING FACILITY BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE PFAS. AND SO WHAT I WAS HOPING TO DO WAS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING OUR FACILITY FOR PFAS CONCERNS. AND WE'RE ALSO I WAS KIND OF LOOKING TO RECOMMEND A PILOT PROJECT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR PFAS TO SEE WHAT OUR WASTE CAN BE DONE WITH AND IF IT'S VIABLE. I KNOW AND I HAVE MET WITH THE COUNTY AND REVIEWED A COMPOSTING FACILITY IN BOISE WITH THEM AS WELL, ALL OF THEIR SANITATION GROUP OR THEIR PLAN FOR THE GROUP. SO I THINK THERE'S INTEREST, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND KIND OF A CAUTIOUS INTEREST IN IT WHERE YOU KIND OF EVALUATE AND MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE YOU STAND UP SOMETHING THAT YOU REGRET THAT IT'LL WORK IN OUR SYSTEM, IN OUR ENVIRONMENT. SO DOES THAT. DID I PICK UP ONE OF THE BYPRODUCTS OR GOALS OF THIS IS TO, TO GET RID OF LAGOONS? DOES THIS BASICALLY MEAN, YEAH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE LAGOON REMAINING. AND YES, WE WANT TO GET IT EMPTIED AND ABANDONED IN PLACE FOR NOW. AND THE SMELL, IT'S AN ODOR GENERATOR. IF YOU'VE BEEN TO A FACILITY, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT. YEAH. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S BEEN SOME OF THE CONVERSATION AROUND RYDER PARK AND HERITAGE PARK. AND HAVING THAT SMELL WOULD ELIMINATE THE SMELL COMPLETELY. OR ARE WE TALKING AN 80% REDUCTION? WE STILL HAVE OTHER ODOR GENERATORS ON SITE. AND IF YOU GET TRAINED TO IT, YOU CAN DRIVE BY AND YOU'LL KNOW WHICH YOU'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT PROCESS GIVING YOU A DIFFERENT ODOR. SO BUT THE THE LAGOON IS WHAT I WOULD ESTIMATE TO BE OUR MAIN ONE. SO IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE THAT, I WOULD HATE TO THROW A NUMERICAL PERCENTAGE TO IT, BUT I WILL SAY PROBABLY 50 PLUS. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU 50 FOR NOW. HOW'S THAT WORKING? BECAUSE IT'S NOT BAD MOST OF THE TIME. THERE'S JUST CERTAIN TIMES THE WINDS ARE JUST RIGHT AND THE TEMPERATURE. YEAH. SORRY. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. SO YOU SAID RIGHT NOW IT'S CLASS B, WOULD WE EVER TAKE THAT? AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, BUT COULD WE EVER TAKE IT AND USE IT LIKE TOP DRESSING GOLF COURSES OR PARKS OR ANYTHING? IS IT COMPOST? CLASS A HAS TO, BUT NOT UNDER ITS CURRENT. OKAY. OUR CURRENT USES FOR CLASS B IS WE DO GIVE IT TO FARMERS FOR FIELDS THAT GROW CROPS. THAT'S OUR MAIN USAGE. WE DO ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO USE IT AS A FILL ON LANDFILLS. SO IT'S A LITTLE HEAVIER, A LITTLE BIT WETTER, AND IT HOLDS DOWN ANYTHING ON A LANDFILL THAT MIGHT BLOW AWAY. SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY DO THAT. WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDFILL THAT IF WE HIT LIKE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, THEY WOULD CHARGE US A NOMINAL AMOUNT PER LOAD TO COME DUMP. IF FOR SOME REASON, LIKE WE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A FIELD AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON OKAY, WELL, WHAT'S MY NEXT SLIDE? YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE LAST PART OF IT WAS YOU CAN SEE HOW TALL OUR STORAGE TENT IS. 
          SO ALSO BY GETTING THESE DRYERS SLUDGE WITH THE 11%, IT JUST, IT KIND OF SPREADS. IT'S VERY WET, SPREADS OUT. IT DOESN'T PILE. YOU CAN SEE HOW TALL THAT TENT IS. SO BY HAVING THE DRYER 
          [02:25:05]
SLUDGE, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO PILE IT UP. AND JUST IN A SINGLE PILE, WE MEASURE 11FT ONE TIME. SO IF WE WERE TO STACK PILES ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, WE'D BE A LOT EASIER TO UTILIZE. THAT STORAGE SPACE THAT WE BUILT IS ALSO THE LAST PART OF THE. SO YOU CAN CREATE A PILE THAT IT'S KIND OF GET FIRMED UP. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE ON TOP OF THAT. YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT JUST LIKE A CONVEYOR BELT, THOSE DISTRIBUTORS THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND FORTH AND KEEP THAT PILE GOING AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE IT AROUND. SO IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER THE DRY POLYMER WE WERE ABLE TO STORE THROUGH THE WINTER IN HERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO PAY SOME DRYING BEDS OUTSIDE OF THE TENT. THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT LIQUID PULP POLYMERS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          THAT'S TRUE. WE DID DO WE DID A. WELL, THEY'RE NOT REALLY. SO THEY THE POLYMER. IF YOU JUST GO POLYMER FOR POLYMER. YES, THE LIQUID IS MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT THEN IF YOU TRULY LOOK AT THE FULL COST ANALYSIS OF OUR STORAGE, OUR O AND M, THE AMOUNT OUR OPERATORS HAVE TO DO, WE DID FIND OUT THAT IT IS A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER, PROBABLY FIVE 7% CHEAPER TO RUN THE LIQUID. BUT IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE PRICE OF THE PRODUCT YOU HAVE, THE LIQUID IS MORE EXPENSIVE FOR SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. OKAY. OKAY. NOW I THINK ONE 
          [PWD – WASTEWATER]
SIXTY-FIFTHS. YEP. OKAY. I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH ON THIS SUBJECT YET OTHER THAN IT WAS BROUGHT TO ME. AND YOU KNOW, WE DID LOOK AT THIS POSSIBLE EXPANSION. WITHIN THAT PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO CITY PROPERTIES. THE GOAL WOULD BE TO RUN THAT LINE ACROSS AND WHERE THE MAIN BENEFIT LIES FOR THE WASTEWATER DIVISION IS THAT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO REMOVE THREE LIFT STATIONS FROM OUR SYSTEM. SO AT THIS TIME, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATE WITH OTHERS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THIS HAPPEN. I DO KNOW IT OFFERS SOME BENEFIT FOR THE WATER SYSTEM AS WELL, GIVES THEM SOME PARALLELS AND BE ABLE TO GRID IN. SO IT DOES HAVE BENEFIT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP IN WHATEVER WAY WE CAN. THIS UPDATE DID COME FROM THE. WE HAVE HAD SOME DEVELOPERS COME TO US, APPROACH US ABOUT THE INTEREST IN EXTENDING THE 65TH SOUTH SEWER LINE TO THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE, JUST TO THE WEST OF THERE. AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH ANY UTILITY IS GETTING IT THROUGH THOSE AREAS WHERE WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED PROPERTIES. AND ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS IS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS FOR THE POTENTIAL OF THE CITY TO LOOK AT PROVIDING FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A LINE. THIS LINE IS QUITE DEEP. IT'S ABOUT 25FT DEEP, SO IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. IT'LL WIPE OUT THE WHOLE ROAD WHEN THEY CONSTRUCT IT. SIMILAR TO WHAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED, FIFTH WEST LAST YEAR WHEN THEY DID THAT SOUTH OF OR JUST NORTH OF 65TH SOUTH TO EXTEND IT TO THAT CHURCH DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS ABOUT AN INTEREST IN A COLLABORATIVE PROJECT TO GET THE LINE EXTENDED, GET THESE LIFT STATIONS OFFLINE, AND JUST COMPLIMENT OUR GROWTH PROJECTIONS FOR THE SEWER SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE. SO AS WE HAVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY ON 65TH, I MEAN, WOULD THERE BE AN EXPANSION? HOW WOULD WE YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, HERE WE GO, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT IN JUST ALL OF THESE LITTLE SECTIONS. BUT HOW WOULD WHAT ARE YOU MAYBE THAT'S TOO FAR DOWN THE FUTURE TO SAY? HOW ARE YOU ENVISIONING THAT THE ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THE ROAD OR THE ROADWAY? YEAH, YEAH. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, THE YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT MAP, THE WHAT WE CALL THE SUB SUBDIVISION THAT TOUCHES 65TH SOUTH IS BEING DEVELOPED. AND THEY'RE WORKING ON TERM PLANS FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE, THE SEWER LINE UP THROUGH THE HOMES. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE TIE IT IN TO DO THAT. SO EVERY, EVERY CHANCE I GET, I'LL PUT IN A CENTER TURN LANE BECAUSE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY BENEFIT FOR THAT. AND THEN THE RIGHT TURN LANES ARE MORE OF A CONVENIENCE FOR THE DEVELOPERS, BUT I USUALLY TELL THEM TO PLAN ON THAT OR GIVE US A STUDY THAT TELLS US IT'S NOT NECESSARY. AND SO AS DEVELOPMENTS OCCUR, WE'LL GET THOSE TURN LANES FOR SURE. THE ONE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IS TO THAT CONNECTOR ROAD TO THE SOUTH IN THE EXISTING COUNTY SUBDIVISION BETWEEN HOLMES AND 15TH EAST. 
          AND IF THERE'S ROOM AND WE CAN DO IT AS WE PUT IN THOSE SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THAT LANE, THEN WE WOULD WE WOULD DO THAT, AND THEN WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE WITH IMPACT FEE FUNDS. YEAH. SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THAT'S OKAY. SO AND AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF JUST AN UPDATE SAYING THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE COME TO US. WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND WE'RE EVALUATING IT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THE MARK BECAUSE NORMALLY THE DEVELOPMENTS CONSTRUCT THE UTILITIES TO SERVE THEIR DEVELOPMENTS. THIS ONE WOULD BE MORE OF A REGIONAL SERVICE AND A BENEFIT TO GET THESE LIFT STATIONS OFF ONE THAT'S BIG FOR OUR, OUR, OUR WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS, 
          [02:30:05]
COUNCIL, THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE CONVERSATIONS? OKAY. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. GREG, WE'RE ON SCHEDULE. I KNOW I JUST LOOKING AT IT SO BAD. OKAY, WE'LL TRY. 
          [PWD – SANITATION]
SO KENT COUNTY TIPPING FEES. YEP. I'LL INTRODUCE MR. JORDAN. HE'S OUR SANITATION SUPERINTENDENT. I THINK YOU'VE MET HIM AT OUR UTILITY UPDATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE. $80 A TON IDAHO COUNTY WE'RE MOVING TO. IT'LL START DECEMBER 1ST. ALL OF OUR ALL OF OUR FEES ACROSS ALL LINES OF BUSINESS WILL BE INCREASING. SO IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT HERE TO PUT OUR RESIDENTIAL FEE, WHICH WILL PROBABLY GET THE MOST FEEDBACK FROM IS GOING FROM 990 A MONTH TO 1680 A MONTH. SO THOSE FEES WILL HAVE THEM IN PLACE, BUT WE WON'T UTILIZE THEM UNTIL THE COUNTY PUTS THEM IN PLACE. SO DECEMBER 1ST WE'LL GO LIVE WITH OUR NEW FEES. ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? LIKE I HAVE TWO. THERE'S A SEPARATE LINE. IT'LL BE PER CARD PER NIGHT. YEAH. PER 95. YEAH. CORRECT. I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING. 
          SOME PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO BE AT THAT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO GO BACK TO ONE. YEAH, I THINK I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME OF THAT. YES. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE STARTED A CHART BY WEIGHT. CORRECT. WE'VE GONE FROM ZERO TO NOW $80 A TON. YEAH YEAH. SO PROMOTE RECYCLING. YEAH WE'LL DO THAT. YEAH WE'LL WE'LL DO THAT. BUT YEAH IT'S QUITE AN INCREASE. IT'S QUITE AN INCREASE. IT IS. IT'S A BIG I MEAN IT'S A IT'S A NEW FEE, RIGHT. IT'S LIKE, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEPARATE THIS OUT ON OUR BILL. RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. COUNTY DUMPING FEE, RIGHT. SO THAT IT DOESN'T JUST LOOK LIKE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. I KNOW THE COUNTY IS REALLY PROMOTING COMING TOGETHER WITH AMMON AND IDAHO FALLS AND IONA, BECAUSE THIS WAS COUNTY WIDE, REALLY KIND OF. MESSAGING TOGETHER. SO THAT THAT ALL OF RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEN AT ONE POINT, I WAS TALKING TO AMMON ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, AND AT ONE POINT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A SCALE ON THEIR TRUCKS SO THAT THEY COULD MEASURE, LIKE WEIGH THE CANS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST PASS THIS ALONG. I THINK THAT THEY ARE STEPPING BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD. BUT AS, AS WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS JUST EVEN WITH AUSTIN BLACK IN THE COUNTY, WHEN SOMEONE IS USING WATER AND THEY GET METERED FOR WATER, IT'S PRETTY GUARANTEED. IT'S THEIR WATER. IF SOMEONE IS DUMPING AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'M GUILTY AS ANYBODY TO SAY, OH, LIKE MY NEIGHBOR'S GARBAGE CAN. YEAH, RIGHT. CAUSE LIKE THAT LEFT, RIGHT. YEAH. YOU'D GET PRETTY SOON IT'S LIKE, OH, I'M GOING TO THROW MY DIRT IN THEIR CAN AND PUT THEIR. THEN THERE'S ALSO WATER. YEAH. IF IT RAINS AND YOUR LIDS OPEN, THERE'S SNOW, THERE'S ICE, THERE'S ALL THAT. SO WEIGHT ASSOCIATED WITH IT IS REALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. I DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A WAIT AND SEE APPROACH ON THE IDEA OF ACTUALLY WEIGHING OUR CANS. WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE TRUE DIFFERENT THE INCREMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CANS. YES, IT WILL HAVE SOME VARIATION, BUT IT CAN'T BE THAT DIFFERENT. 
          RIGHT. I'M ONBOARD SCALES HAVE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME, LIKE ON A RESIDENTIAL BASIS. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT LIKE PER CANS PER CAN YOU'D BE SURPRISED. YEAH. IS THERE REALLY OKAY? YEAH, THAT WOULD SURPRISE ME. AND LIKE OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, I MEAN, IT'LL AFFECT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. WE DON'T CARE IF SOMEONE GOES AND DUMPS IN THE BACK OF OUR. THERE'S A YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF FLY DUMPING IN COMMERCIAL DUMPSTERS. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND ICE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ICE ACCUMULATION IN WINTERTIME, SNOW ACCUMULATION AND ALL THAT MELTING SNOW GETTING INTO THE DUMPSTER. AND PEOPLE BE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, WELL, IT SNOWS FOR A DUMPSTER WAS HEAVIER. AND YEAH, AND THEN IT SCALES REALLY AREN'T, THEY'RE NOT FANTASTIC. WELL, AND I THINK THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO CALIBRATE THEM AT LIKE 5 POUNDS. YEAH. AT ONE TIME IT WAS LIKE, WELL, CAN YOU DO IT AT 1 POUND? AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, I'M GOING TO GO 5 POUNDS. AND NOW SO THAT'S ALSO A. AND THEN WHEN YOU WATCH HOW THOSE CANS ARE FLIPPED INTO THE TRUCKS AND JUST THE EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND IF YOU PICTURE YOURSELF IN A LAB TRYING TO WEIGH SOMETHING AND HOW OFTEN YOU HAVE TO RECALIBRATE THOSE SCALES, IT'S JUST A SCALE ON A TRUCK THAT OPERATES THAT WAY IS JUST KIND OF. YEAH, IN MY MIND, IT'S AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION. 
          I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT CAMERON WAS GOING, YEAH, SO IS THIS RATE ADJUSTMENT KIND OF A CATCH UP? IT IS A IT IS A AS A COUNTY. I MEAN, HAS THIS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S GROWING? NO, IT'S IT'S A IT'S A NEW FEE. NO. WELL, I KNOW, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGING FOR A WHILE AGO, YEARS AGO. IS THERE A REASON TO SUSPECT THAT THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED MOVING FORWARD? IF THEY ARE GETTING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BASED ON THEIR 
          [02:35:05]
CAPITAL, THE NEXT TIME WE GET AN INCREASE, I UNDERSTAND THEIR COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP. I'M NOT. YES, BUT BE A LITTLE MORE INCREMENTAL. NOT I WOULD ASSUME SO. YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK BETTER TO LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE TRANSFER STATION AND WHAT'S HAPPENING UP ON TOP OF THE HILL. YEAH, THEY'RE DOING IMPROVEMENTS. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP. THEY ARE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST A IT'S JUST A PRETTY BIG JUMP. I WOULDN'T ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD GO INTO $80 A TON. THE STATE AVERAGE IS, I THINK APPROXIMATELY $33 A TON. 
          SO IT'S A PRETTY BIG JUMP. IT'S A SHOCK TO US AND OUR FEES. THIS AFFECTS PRIVATE GARBAGE SERVICES TO ANYBODY THAT GOES ACROSS THE SCALE OF THE TRANSFER STATION IS SUBJECT TO THESE FEES. OKAY. YEAH. GRANDPA'S GARBAGE AND IT'S GOING TO GET EVERYBODY. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THEIR RATES TOO. YES, YOU'LL SEE IT ACROSS THE BOARD AND YOU MIGHT SEE LESS JEFFERSON COUNTY TRUCKS. PLUS DOWN IN BONNEVILLE COUNTY, WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS. YEAH. OUR NEW BUILDING. OH, YES, WE HAVE OUR BUILDING. SO A STREETS AND SANITATION. WE'RE GETTING A NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING. AND THE ANTICIPATED DATE IS THE FALL. THIS FALL, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE'RE LOOKING AT 11,000FT■!S, APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER $5 MILLION FOR THE BUILDING. AND THEN OUR NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS A FOOTPRINT OF WHERE THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS GOING TO BE. IT'S IN THE VICINITY OF THE NEW BUILDING. THE NEW BUILDING OR THE OLD BUILDING WILL BE TAKEN DOWN. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL, WE JUST DID A VACATION OF THE ROAD THAT FRONTS TO ALLOW US TO ADJUST THOSE BUILDINGS. WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT ONE SLIDE. THE 459 SQUARE FOOT LOT 59 THAT CATCHES ME OFF GUARD. OKAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. COMMERCIAL. 
          WHAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? OR IS THAT JUST OFFICE? IS THERE A SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN PLACE THERE? WHAT'S DRIVING FOR THAT? THAT THOSE ARE THE COSTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE ARCHITECT ON PRELIMINARY COSTS. AGAIN, THEY LIKE TO BE CONSERVATIVE UP FRONT, AS WITH ANY PROJECT, BUT THAT'S A GENERAL COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING. 
          WELL, WE COULD ALSO I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE STREETS DIVISION, BUT I KNOW SOME OF THAT WORK THEY CAN TAKE ON THEMSELVES AND I THINK WAS BEING FOR THE SITE PLAN PUT INTO THIS NUMBER, BUT I DON'T WANT TO. SPEAK. BUT THAT'S NOT JUST YOUR YOUR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S ALL YOUR SITE WORK, UTILITY CONNECTIONS. ARCHITECTS TYPICALLY INCLUDE PERMITTING, WHICH WILL WORK ON. BUT WE WILL EVALUATE THE BUDGET AND BE AS TRUTHFUL AS WE CAN. 
          SO THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF OFFICE SPACE, AS WELL AS OFFICE TRAINING, THAT BREAKROOM, A CLEANUP ROOM AND AN AREA TO RECEIVE THE PUBLIC AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND AGAIN, THERE'S THE FOOTPRINT STATUS. WE ANTICIPATE BEING READY THIS FALL FOR BID. SO WE'LL HAVE WE'LL BE PROVIDING. SO WHAT'S WHAT'S THE TARGET TO OCCUPY IT. USUALLY 12 TO 14 MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION. THE MORE FLEXIBLE YOU CAN BE WITH THE SCHEDULE, THE BETTER BIDS WILL GET AS WELL. SO WE WOULD TARGET A BID THIS FALL WITH ANTICIPATION OF HOPEFULLY MOVING IN NEXT WINTER. AND SO THE OLD BUILDINGS COMING DOWN, IT'LL BE WHERE THAT PARKING LOT IS ON THE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE NEW BUILDING. YEAH. THE OLD BUILDING COMES DOWN. SO ARE WE GAINING ANYTHING IN TERMS OF STORAGE OF OUR EQUIPMENT INDOORS? SOMEHOW WE'RE SLOWLY WORKING TOWARDS THAT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S ON OUR RADAR. 
          WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. THAT'S THE NEXT BITE. YES, AND DOES THAT FOR 59 FOOT. DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL THE DEMO AND REMOVAL? YES. OKAY. WHICH WE CAN. IF WE HAVE NO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN OUR BUILDING, WE CAN WE CAN ALSO CALL THAT OFF. CORRECT. WE'LL BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN. YEAH. IN THE NEXT NEXT SLIDE IS JUST AN IMAGE OF THE SITE PLAN. SO THE THE FOOTPRINT THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. SO THOSE ARE REMOVABLE WALLS IN THE BACK TO EXPAND THAT TRAINING ROOM AND THEN A BREAK ROOM AND THEN MISCELLANEOUS OFFICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M EXCITED FOR YOU FOR THIS. YEAH WE ARE. IT'S BEEN NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME. SO BRIAN AND I ARE VERY EXCITED AND WE'RE HAPPY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL. YEAH. 
          THIS IS GOOD. YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM COUNCIL IS 
          [Mayor – GENERAL]
ACTUALLY COMING FROM ME AND MY OFFICE. AND IF WE CAN JUST HAVE MAYBE PAM AND MARK, AND THERE'S 
          [02:40:06]
NOT A LOT, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL DOES HAVE. AS COUNCIL KNOWS. I FEEL LIKE THE TIMING OF THIS COULDN'T BE BETTER. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP. THIS ORDINANCE YOU WILL SEE ON THURSDAY NIGHT FOR YOUR APPROVAL. IT IS THE CREATION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE. IT'S. THERE'S A CHANGE HERE TO TITLE THREE BECAUSE SOME OF THE SEVERAL OF THESE FUNCTIONS FROM FINANCE ARE IN MUNICIPAL SERVICES. SO IT WOULD REMOVE THEM FROM OUR MUNICIPAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND AND THEN ADD A CHAPTER 11, WHICH WOULD BE THE CREATION OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. A COUPLE OF THINGS KIND OF SPURRED THIS ON. 
          ONE IS TO DIRECTOR ALEXANDER, WHO I THINK HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ESTABLISHING THIS DIVISION WITHIN HER DEPARTMENT. AND SHE IS ACTUALLY A I MEAN, HER SPECIALTY IS FINANCE. AND SO THIS IS THIS IS NOT EASY TO LET TO LET FINANCE. STAND ON ITS ON ITS OWN, BUT IT IS KIND OF THE TIMING OF IT. AND SO I DO WANT TO THANK HER FOR STANDING UP THIS DEPARTMENT, FOR THIS DIVISION FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS. AND NOW THE CITY HAS GROWN TO A POINT THAT I THINK WE ARE SEEING IN THE BUDGET IN A $400 MILLION BUDGET AND THE NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE, THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE JUST FROM A CITY SIZE WISE, TO HAVE A FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE OPPORTUNITY, WITH MARK HAGEDORN COMING BACK FROM THE ERP PROJECT, THE BUILD OUT OF THE ERP PROJECT, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, WORKDAY IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS. BUT COMING BACK FROM ERP, AS HE MOVES BACK INTO THIS FINANCE ROLE AND REALLY BECOMING MORE OF THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO KIND OF CAPITALIZE ON THE NEW TECHNOLOGY AND A NEW DEPARTMENT AND REALLY START FOCUSING. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL SERVICES. MY BELIEF IS THAT THIS DIVISION, AND YOU CAN SEE IT HERE IN. WHAT IS REALLY AN ORG CHART THAT'S NOT EXACTLY INTENDED TO BE READ. SMALL PRINT WHITE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS WILL OBVIOUSLY CHANGE. BUT THE DIVISION LINE IS IS HERE. THIS IS RIGHT NOW ALL UNDER MUNICIPAL SERVICES. BUT AS WE PULL FINANCE OUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE EXACT ORG CHART ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE IS STILL YET TO BE DETERMINED A LOT. AS YOU KNOW, MARCH LOOKS THROUGH THE NEW. HIS HIS NEW ROLE AS A DEPARTMENT. HE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE UP SOME OF THIS. 
          SO ANYWAY, I DO. I JUST WANTED TO TO SAY A HUGE THANK YOU TO DIRECTOR ALEXANDER. WE TALK ABOUT INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL SERVICES ALREADY. I'VE HAD SEVERAL DIRECTORS SAY THAT THE THINGS THAT THAT THEY ARE GETTING FROM MUNICIPAL SERVICES OUT OF THE RFQ PROCESS AND BEING EXCITED TO MOVE THROUGH A CAPITAL PLAN, A CITY CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS WITH MUNICIPAL SERVICES REALLY OFFERING THOSE INTERNAL SERVICES, AND THEN AS WELL AS FINANCE, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TO OUR CUSTOMERS. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD BREAK. SO YOU'LL HAVE A FEW DAYS, WELL, UNTIL TOMORROW TO LOOK THROUGH AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS. I HAVE GONE OVER IT WITH. MARK AS WELL. AND THEN SO THIS WOULD BE BEFORE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT TO CREATE THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE. AND THEN I ALSO AM RECOMMENDING MARK TO BE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AS WELL AS THE TREASURER, JUST AS ANOTHER BIT OF INFORMATION. SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKED, IS THAT SMART TO HAVE TREASURY AND FINANCE DIRECTOR AS ONE PERSON? AND FOR OUR CITY, OUR SIZE? I'VE LOOKED. NAMPA, POCATELLO, MERIDIAN, CALDWELL. THEY ALL HAVE THAT. REXBURG, THEY ALL HAVE THAT. JOINT FINANCE DIRECTOR OR CFO IS THEIR TREASURER. SO THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT CONTINUITY ACROSS IDAHO AS WELL. SO I THINK I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THIS IS THIS IS COMING. I'M ACTUALLY SUPER EXCITED FOR THIS. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ANOTHER REPRESENTATION OF OUR GROWTH. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW THAT WE CAN ANSWER BEFORE WE HEAD INTO THURSDAY NIGHT, THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS TO ANSWER THEM NOW. 
          [02:45:03]
JUST, JUST ONE FOR ME. AND I RECOGNIZE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THE ORG CHART ITSELF MIGHT HAVE SOME CHANGES. IS THIS ROUGHLY THE ANTICIPATION THAT HEADCOUNT WILL REMAIN RELATIVELY THE SAME, OR IS THIS BY CREATING THIS, IS IT GOING TO INCREASE HEADCOUNT? THIS IS WOULD KEEP IT RELATIVELY THE SAME. RIGHT NOW THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES JUST SITS ON TOP OF THIS. YEAH. I DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO MAKE THAT DIVISION BREAK HERE AND LEFT EVERYTHING ELSE THE SAME. THAT WAS MY QUESTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO EXTEND THAT. IS IT EXPECTED THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE, THAT THE HEADCOUNT IS GOING TO CHANGE ANYTIME SOON? I APPRECIATE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE IF IT'S APPROVED. BUT IS THAT LIKELY TO CHANGE SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR FROM NOW, OR DO WE THINK THAT'S NOT IN NOT NOT CURRENTLY, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE FTE APPROVALS ARE. BUT I GUESS I WOULD TURN THAT TO BOTH MUNICIPAL SERVICES. AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO FORECAST FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. I'M JUST SAYING, IS IT A KNOWN THING THAT ONCE WE GET THIS IN PLACE, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE FTE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE AND THE FINANCE SECTION? NO. WE HAVE THE SIS PROJECT THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT. BUT WE'RE STILL LEARNING, WORKING WITH THE JOB WORK IS. 
          AND IT'S CHANGED SOME OF OUR WORKFLOW. SO WE ANTICIPATE TO MAINTAIN A YEAR AND POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HIRE ANY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS UNTIL WE FIGURE THAT OUT. THERE WAS EFFICIENCY FROM THAT APPROACH. SO AND INSTEAD OF THAT, I ADD, WE DID TALK DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS ABOUT A GRANT POSITION THAT WILL BE OVERSEEN BY MARK'S TEAM. THAT IS SOMETHING SO WE CAN BUTTON UP SOME OF OUR AUDIT ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH GRANT MANAGEMENT. AND SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MARK'S TEAM WILL BE FOCUSING ON THAT BEGINNING TO END ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S AN ADDED FEATURE AND AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL FOR US TO KIND OF CORRAL ALL OF OUR GRANTS INTO ONE PLACE AND BE ABLE TO ADMINISTER THOSE EFFECTIVELY ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION. THANK YOU. TO SUMMARIZE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO ADD POSITIONS UNTIL WE KNOW HOW THE WORKFLOWS ARE WORKING AND EFFICIENCIES WE GAIN FROM THIS. 
          WE'RE GOING FROM 11 TO 12 DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. LUCKY OR NOT. YEAH. MUCH LUCKIER. NUMBER ONE, ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT AS I AS I HAVE LISTENED TO THINGS IN THE BUDGET, AS I'VE LISTENED TO INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE WOULD SEE MOST LIKELY COME FORWARD IN THE FUTURE IS THAT WE WOULD INCREASE OUR IT STAFF. RIGHT NOW IT IT'S LIKE, ARE THEY COMPUTER SOFTWARE? YOU KNOW, LIKE CYBERSECURITY, IT IS ALL OVER THE MAP. AND AS WE REALLY DO LOOK TO STAND UP BETTER INTERNAL SERVICE, I JUST THINK THAT THAT IT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT IS PULLED IN HUNDREDS OF DIRECTIONS. THEY'VE GOT LOTS OF CAPABILITIES. AND SO THAT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME TO GET BUSINESS ANALYSTS. AND IT A LARGER A LARGER STAFF, YOU KNOW, JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE STUDIES COME BACK LOOKING LIKE. SO I MEAN, AND I DON'T MEAN TONS OF PEOPLE, BUT BUT THERE COULD BE SOME SPECIALISTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO HELP SUPPORT OUR BIGGEST ENTERPRISE GROUPS THAT ARE PAYING THE MOST FOR IT SERVICE. THEY REALLY ARE. PREFERRED CUSTOMERS IS MAYBE HOW I WOULD SAY THAT PREFERRED INTERNAL CUSTOMERS. AND WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM SOME OF THAT PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT AND BE ABLE TO GET GET THE SERVICES THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PAYING THE GENERAL FUND FOR. DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT, MAYOR. WE'RE GOING TO BE EMBARKING ON A INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY PLAN. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE. IT'S MORE OF AN INTERNAL. BUT AS WE HAD OUR WATER DIVISION DIRECTOR JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH SCADA, WATER WELLS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND SO OUR TEAM, OUR IT TEAM IS ACTUALLY WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THE SCENES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW WE DO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE OUT OUR SECRETS. BUT WE ARE SITTING WE'RE ARE SITTING AHEAD OF THE GAME. BUT IT IS RESOURCE DRIVEN, NOT ONLY WITH CYBERSECURITY SOFTWARE, QUALIFIED STAFF, A CURRICULUM OF AN I.T CAREER PATH. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL HERE IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR. JUST ONE QUESTION. ONE THING YOU NOTICE HERE IS JUST HOW BIG MUNICIPAL SERVICES IS. YEAH. ALL THESE THINGS AND THE GROWTH OF IT IS BEING SUCH AN ESSENTIAL TO EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY. YES. 
          IT'S HUGE. IT IS HUGE. IT'S WE'RE GROWING. WE'RE WE ARE GROWING. SO RELATED TO THAT, 
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MAYOR, HAVE YOU SEEN LIKE, DO OTHER CITIES, DO THEY HAVE THEIR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT'S JUST IT. YES. THERE ARE THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT. THERE ARE LOTS OF CITIES THAT THEY WILL STAND THAT UP TO. AND, AND I FEEL LIKE DIRECTOR ALEXANDER HAS BEEN ONE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE OTHER SEPARATE ONES THAT AT SOME POINT SHE'LL BE READY TO LAUNCH. OKAY. AND SO REALLY GIVING A FOCUS TO THAT. BUT YES, IT DOES USUALLY, YOU KNOW, AS THE CITY GROWS, IT BECOMES ONCE AGAIN ANOTHER SEPARATE. AND IF I COULD ADD ANSWER. COUNCILOR LEE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BOTH ON THE FINANCE DIVISION, GROWING IT AND PUTTING A STRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR IT TO BE ITS OWN DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS IT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH OUR TWO CITIES, OUR ASSISTANT CITY. OH, AND OUR CITY. OH, JOSEPH NIELSON AND DEREK WOOD. WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST PUTTING SOME FINAL TOUCHES ON IT, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD FOR THE MAYOR FOR CONSIDERATION HERE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT MOST OF THE BACK END OF THIS IS JUST CHANGING THE NAME OF TO FINANCE DIRECTOR. TREASURER FROM FINANCE MANAGER, TREASURER. IS THAT TRUE OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, THE AIRPORT, PFC FUND, THE LIBRARY? THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING ELSE, JUST THE NAME AND THOSE SECTIONS, JUST THE JUST THE NAME. IT IS IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF IT IS JUST NAME CHANGE TO ONE PRACTICE WITH. BUT CHAPTER 11 IS, IS NEW. YES. AND THEN JUST, JUST THE ALIGNMENT THERE. I'M ALSO EXCITED AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT THE TRAINING. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. IT IS A COMMONLY REFERRED TO PHRASE. I HAVE TO ASK MARK. 
          RIGHT. WELL, WE HAVE TO ASK MARK. WE HAVE TO ASK MARK. AND THAT IS ONE OF THOSE PHRASES THAT WE DON'T WANT IN THE LEXICON. BUT EVERY THERE'S LOTS OF INFORMATION SPREAD DOWN THROUGH FINANCE AND THROUGH THE ERP PROCESS SO THAT IT DOESN'T ALL BOIL UP THROUGH EXCEL WORKSHEETS INTO MARK'S BRAIN, BUT IT IS THERE FOR THE TAKING FOR ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO HAVE AND, AND THEN HAVE THAT FINANCIAL SUPPORT, LOOKING AT THEIR COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND REALLY BEING ABLE TO DIG DEEPER INTO ALL OF THAT. I'VE BEEN IN LIAISON MEETING WHEN WE HAD TO CALL MARK. LET'S CALL MARK. LET'S CALL MARK. YES. AND AND HONESTLY, THE BUMPS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE ROAD WITH ERP ARE SO MINOR COMPARED TO WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE SEEN. 
          ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND ALL OF MUNICIPAL SERVICES, EVERYONE ON FINANCE TEAM, EVERYONE ON THE REST OF TEAM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE ON THE ERP. YES. THANK YOU. 
          IT IS GETTING BETTER EVERY DAY. MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THE TO THIS? EXCITED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. I TO BETTER SERVE THE CITY. I'M GRATEFUL FOR PAN AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WE'VE HAD FOR 11 YEARS. MARK HAS TO ASK PAM. YEAH, YEAH. AND, BUT YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE FUN. FINANCE IS FUN. AND. EXCITED TO WORK WITH EVERYONE. 
          DID YOU NOTICE PEOPLE LAUGHED AT THAT? I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT THAT? FINANCE IS FUN WHEN YOU HAVE IT. YES. RIGHT. IF IN THE NEXT FEW HOURS, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, YOU FIND SOME TYPOS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE ON THIS, WILL YOU LET ME KNOW? WE WILL. WE WILL GET IT CORRECTED BEFORE 30 OR WHAT WAS THAT? WE CORRECTED A GRAMMAR ERROR. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET THAT TO US. OKAY. SO THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF OUR. IDAHO FALLS UTILITY BOARD MEETING. WE DO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THE UTILITY REPORTS THAT COME AT THE END HERE. THEY'RE NOT REALLY AGENDA ITEMS. THESE ARE JUST THINGS LIKE WHAT'S IN THE PACKET, JUST EXTRA REPORTS. SO THERE ISN'T A REASON FOR US TO RECONVENE. WE WILL NOT BE RECONVENING AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS UTILITY REPORTS. THOSE ARE JUST WRITTEN. WE HAVE TO RECEIVE THE 
          [02:55:03]
WE DO REPORT. YES. SHALL WE DO THAT FIRST? YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. AND THEN WE CAN I MOVE COUNCIL RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT. SECOND. DINGMAN. YES. FREEMAN. 
          YES. FRANCIS I. BRADFORD. LEE. YES. LARSON. YES. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. AND I 
          [Executive Session]
MOVE COUNCIL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO IDAHO CODE 74-2061F, TO COMMUNICATE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE PUBLIC AGENCY TO DISCUSS THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF AND LEGAL OPTIONS FOR PENDING LITIGATION OR CONTROVERSIES NOT YET BEING LITIGATED, BUT IMMINENTLY LIKELY TO BE LITIGATED. COUNCIL WILL NOT RECONVENE AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND. LEE. YES. DINGMAN. YES, FRANCIS I. FREEMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. 
          BRADFORD, I THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, LET'S TRY AND GET IN THERE BY JUS
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