Aug 10, 2026 City Council Work Session

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THE IDAHO FALLS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. IT IS MONDAY, AUGUST 10TH, AND WE WILL ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO ESTABLISH OUR QUORUM. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE.

COUNCILOR RADFORD PRESENT. COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE.

COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. COUNCILOR LEE HERE. THANK YOU. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY.

OH, AND ALSO WE HAVE MELISSA CROSS ONLINE. OKAY. OKAY. CROSS CROSS. OKAY. OKAY. WE ARE GOING

[Airport]

FOLLOWING OUR FIRST REPORT, WHICH IS AND DISCUSSION WHICH IS COMING TO US TODAY FROM THE AIRPORT. AND IT IS A TERMINAL UPDATE. INTERPRET THAT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT. GOOD AFTERNOON.

YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE INTERIM REPORT DIRECTOR MELISSA CROSS, WHO'S ONLINE IS WITH ALLIANCE ARCHITECT. SHE'S THE ARCHITECT ON THE TERMINAL PROJECT. AND TO MY RIGHT IS NATHAN KABALA, WHO'S A PROJECT MANAGER WITH ADORA ENGINEERING. AND I AM GOING TO TURN OVER MOST OF THE FLOOR TO THEM. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. ALL RIGHT.

WELCOME, NATHAN. WELCOME. THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. I'M WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A WHILE NOW. SO WE GOT KIND OF TWO PARTS TO IT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE MOMENT IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION, WHERE WE'RE AT AND THEN WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT.

SO A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, WE STARTED WHAT WE CALL THE UTILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE. SO WHAT THAT WAS, IS IT WAS AN ENABLING PROJECT. THE PARTS THAT WE KNEW WERE NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LARGER OVERALL TERMINAL PROJECT, AS WELL AS REPLACING SOME OF THE MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS THAT EITHER WERE AT CAPACITY OR AT USEFUL LIFE, OR A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBING. WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS. YOU SEE SOME PICTURES OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BUILDING AND THEN ON THE SOUTH AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE WAS PRIMARY POWER. THERE WERE WATER LINES, STORM DRAINAGE, A LOT OF SECONDARY ITEMS, PARKING LOT LIGHTS, FIBER OPTICS, APRON LIGHTS THAT WE HAD TO REROUTE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF A FUTURE BUILDING EXPANSION. AND THEN AT THAT SAME TIME, WE REDID HOW NUMEROUS ELECTRICAL SERVICES IN THE BUILDING NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND HOW IT'S POWERED. AND THOSE WERE MOVED OUT INTO AN EXTERNAL POWERHOUSE. AND OUR GOAL WITH THAT, AND HOW WE SITED IT, IS THAT EVEN PAST THIS PROJECT AND LOOKING OUT INTO THE FUTURE, WE PUT THAT IN A PLACE WHERE IT HOPEFULLY NEVER HAS TO BE TOUCHED AGAIN. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GOING TO REFEED THE THE ENTIRE SOUTH AND MIDDLE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF THEIR ELECTRICAL SERVICES. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO RUN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF POWER BACK TO THE BUILDING. AND SO WE BUILT SOME OF THE SELECT FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS FOR THE FUTURE BUILDING, JUST BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO PUT THAT POWER RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT. AND THEN THE LAST PART OF IT WAS WE NEEDED TO RECONFIGURE HOW AIRCRAFT PARKED IN FRONT OF THE TERMINAL. SO WHERE THE BUILDING IS GOING TO GO AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO GET GOING TO EXPAND THAT AIRCRAFT PARKING IS IMPACTED.

SO WE DID KIND OF KIND OF A SHIFT AND MOVE THINGS MORE TO THE NORTH. AND THEN FARTHER AWAY ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER. MELISSA, ARE YOU ARE YOU THERE? BORN HEALTH? INTERESTING TO NOT BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF YOU ALL. SO I'M GOING OFF THE POWERPOINT THAT NATHAN SHARED WITH ME. ARE YOU ON THE POWERHOUSE SLIDE? YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO THE POWERHOUSE IS A DESIGN SIMILAR TO WHAT THE FUTURE TERMINAL BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. IT'S CAST STONE BASE WITH A RAIN SCREEN, TACTILE, WHICH IS A HIGH PERFORMANCE CONCRETE PANEL. AND IT'S THE SAME COLOR.

SO IT WAS DESIGNED TO MATCH WHAT THE FUTURE TERMINAL EXPANSION WILL LOOK LIKE, WHICH I'M SURE SOME OF YOU SAW THE ORIGINAL RENDERINGS, AND I KNOW THERE'S ONE LATER IN THE PACKAGE, BUT THE POWERHOUSE AND THE NEW GENERATOR IS ALL BEING SET UP TO REFEED SERVICES TO THE BUILDING AND HAVE BACKUP POWER FOR THE ENTIRE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT WORK IS ONGOING. ON THE SOUTH END. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. NATHAN. AS PART OF THE PROJECT AT THE NORTH END OF THE TERMINAL IN THE NORTH BASEMENT, WE'VE ALSO INSTALLED A NEW CHILLER, THE

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THIS PICTURE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS NEW. THERE'LL BE NEW ELECTRICAL GEAR SET ON CABS HERE, AS WELL AS IN THE FOREGROUND IS WHERE THE GENERATOR WILL SIT IN AN ENCLOSURE AS WELL. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE UIP OR WHERE THAT PROJECT'S AT? CAN WE GO BACK ONE SLIDE? ALL THAT STUFF IS IN THE EXISTING TERMINAL. IT'S NOT A NEW VAULT OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT STUFF SITS IN THIS ON THIS SLIDE. THAT PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HAPPENS TO BE IN THE EXISTING TERMINAL, BUT THAT'S THE MIDDLE ELECTRICAL SERVICE THAT WILL BE MOVED INTO THAT POWERHOUSE, WILL BE MOVED, WILL BE MOVED, AND THEN EVERYTHING WILL BE FED. AND THEN THE WAY IT WORKS WITH THAT POWERHOUSE, THERE IS NOW A NEW GENERATOR.

THERE'LL BE TWO GENERATORS. SO THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF REDUNDANCY THERE. BUT THE AUTOMATIC TRANSFER SWITCHES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING ARE BEING CONSOLIDATED INTO POWERHOUSE. SO THE MAJOR ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, AT LEAST FOR THE SOUTH AND MIDDLE, WILL ALL BE IN ONE LOCATION. WE STILL HAVE ONE OLDER SERVICE ON THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING THAT ISN'T BEING CONSOLIDATED YET, BUT WE'RE MOVING THAT DIRECTION. OKAY, SO COUNCIL MEMBER FRIEDMAN, WERE THAT RIGHT? PHOTO IS THAT IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT UNDER MY OFFICE. RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION TO SCHEDULE COMPLETION SEPTEMBER 16TH. IS THAT FOR THIS WHOLE BACKBONE PROJECT, IT WILL BE DONE FOR THE ENABLING WORK PACKAGE FOR, FOR THAT PART OF IT. THE SCHEDULE IS TO BE COMPLETE SEPTEMBER 16TH. AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEXT UPDATE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL CAVEAT THIS WHEN I'M PUTTING THIS UP THERE. AND THERE'S SOME PHASE NAMES ON HERE THAT WHEN I GET THROUGH WITH THIS, YOU CAN IGNORE THEM GOING FORWARD. OKAY.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT NAMES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT PHASES AS WE PUT THIS TOGETHER. BUT WHAT THIS SLIDE SHOWS IS WHAT CAME OUT OF A TERMINAL PLANNING STUDY THAT WE DID IN 2023. AND IT IDENTIFIED THREE MAIN NEEDS IN THE TERMINAL BUILDING AND THEN HOW TO PHASE THEM. AND SO PHASE ONE IS WHAT WE HAD MOVED TO A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF DESIGN. IT'S ON THE SOUTH END OF THE BUILDING. IT'S AN EXPANSION OF THE TICKET LOBBY, THE BACK OF HOUSE IN TERMS OF AIRLINE TICKET OFFICES, AS WELL AS SOME SUPPORT SPACES, AND THEN A WHOLE NEW BAG MAKING FACILITY. THE OTHER PART OF THIS YOU CAN'T SEE IS THAT WE WERE GOING TO SHELL OUT FUTURE GATE, HOLD SPACE ON THE SECOND LEVEL, AND THEN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY TERMED PHASE TWO WAS A FURTHER EXPANSION OF THE TICKET LOBBY. IN ORDER TO MEET FUTURE BUILDING CODES, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE THAT WALL IN THE TICKET LOBBY AND PUSH IT BACK TO MAKE IT DEEPER. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE SPACE TOWARDS THE CURBSIDE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND SO WE BASICALLY NEED TO PUSH INTO WHAT WE CALL THE BACK OF HOUSE, WHERE THE AIRLINE TICKET OFFICES ARE TODAY, WHERE BAG SCREENING ARE, WHERE BAG MAKEUP IS. YOU KNOW, THAT IS A PRETTY IMPACTFUL PHASE TO GET IN THERE. AT THE SAME TIME, THE BUILDING NEEDS MORE RESTROOMS, IT NEEDS NEWER RESTROOMS, AND IT NEEDS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY SO THAT ON THE PUBLIC SIDE, IF THE CURRENT ONES TODAY NEED TO BE WORKED ON, THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE SET OF RESTROOMS AS WELL. AND SO WHAT WAS IN PHASE TWO WAS A RESTROOM BLOCK. AND THEN IN PHASE THREE WAS WHAT WE CALL THE GREAT HALL.

IT WAS GOING TO PUSH THE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OUT AND THEN BUILD KIND OF A SECOND LEVEL EXIT PLAZA, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS ON THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING BY BAGGAGE CLAIM. AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT FUNDING WISE AND WHAT THE AIRPORT NEEDS ARE. AND WE'VE KIND OF REBOOTED A LITTLE BIT WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS OUR FUNDING IN THIS FIRST, WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE ONE. AND SO MELISSA WILL GET INTO MORE OF THE SPECIFIC ASPECTS IT'LL BE IN THE DESIGN. BUT THIS OUTLINE SHOWS WHAT WE ARE NOW ROLLING INTO A COMPLETE PHASE ONE PACKAGE. ONE BIG DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WE WERE LIVING WITH. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE ADDING ON THE TICKET LOBBY, WE'RE ADDING ON RESTROOMS.

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SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SECOND ONE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ELEMENTS. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE PUTTING OUT WHAT WE CALL A FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS PACKAGE FOR THAT EXPANSION TO THE SOUTH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AGAIN, WE TOOK THAT DESIGN TO A VERY HIGH LEVEL BEFORE THE PROJECT WENT ON PAUSE. AND SO THAT WILL ALLOW THE CONTRACTOR TO STAY MOBILIZED AND CONTINUE MAKING PROGRESS ON THE PROJECT.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF SOME OF THE FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS THAT THEY HAVE STARTED TO INSTALL. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE WAY THE POWER ROOTS, WE WANTED TO GET THOSE IN IN THE UIP PACKAGE, AND THIS IS THE KIND OF FINISHING OUT THAT SOUTH EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IS ISSUING THE PACKAGE FOR PRICING IN LATE NOVEMBER.

SO WE'LL WE'LL COMPLETE THE DESIGN, PUT IT TOGETHER, GIVE IT TO CLAYCO. AND THEY, THEY FEED IT TO THE SUBCONTRACTOR MARKET AND ESTABLISH A NEW GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THE NEXT PHASE. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ESTIMATING 24 MONTHS OF CONSTRUCTION. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVEN'T FINISHED DESIGN, SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE ELEMENTS, THE PHASING, AND WE'LL PUT TOGETHER A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE AS PART OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A RENDERING THAT WE DID EARLIER IN THE PROCESS. SO MATERIAL WISE AND LOOK, IT'LL BE SIMILAR EXCEPT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BACKGROUND OF THAT SECOND LEVEL.

WE WON'T BE BUILDING A SECOND LEVEL AS PART OF THIS PHASE. IT'LL BE A SINGLE STORY EXPANSION ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO FAR ON SCHEDULE. OH GO AHEAD. YOU'RE ALL YOU'RE ALSO SEEING THE EXISTING FACADE AND THE CURBSIDE CANOPY THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND UPDATED TO MATCH THE FINISHES. GREAT. OKAY. ALWAYS THE IMPORTANT PART. FUNDING. IT'S OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LARGE PORTION OF THIS IS GOING TO BE FEDERALLY FUNDED, AND IT COMES FROM A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SOURCES. WE HAVE WHAT WE TERM OUR ENTITLEMENT FUNDS, AND THAT'S AN AMOUNT THAT THE AIRPORT IS EARMARKED EACH YEAR BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS THAT GET ON AN AIRCRAFT NEXT PAST THAT IS WHAT WE CALL DISCRETIONARY FUNDING. THAT'S A POT OF MONEY THAT THE FAA HAS EVERY YEAR THAT THEY CAN GIVE TO AIRPORTS, DEPENDING ON THE PRIORITIES OF THE PROJECT. AND WE USE THAT FUNDING. AND THEN THE ONE IN THERE, THE BILL ENTITLEMENTS, THAT WAS THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW, NOW REFERRED TO AS IIJA. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN USING THAT FUNDING THAT WAS EARMARKED FOR FY 22 THROUGH FY 26. SO EACH YEAR, KIND OF A MIRROR OF THOSE AP ENTITLEMENTS, THE AIRPORT WAS GIVEN A BILL ENTITLEMENT. NOW, WE HAVEN'T PUT ALL OF THOSE IN GRANT FORM YET, BUT WE WILL AS WE ESTABLISH CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

THE IMPORTANT PART ABOUT THE BILL FUNDING IS THAT THAT COMES AT A HIGHER ELIGIBILITY, SO WE CAN USE IT FOR MORE AREAS OF THE BUILDING WHERE SOME OF THAT AP FUNDING, THERE'S DIFFERENT RULES FOR WHAT WE CAN FUND WITH THAT. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD SEVERAL THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW TERMINAL PROGRAM GRANTS. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL ON TWO OF THOSE.

SO WE HAVE THOSE AS WELL. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE EARMARK, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WAS SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING, THAT HASN'T BEEN PUT IN GRANT FORM YET EITHER. IT WILL AGAIN, ONCE

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THAT'S THE AMOUNT FOR 50 THAT GOES ON EACH TICKET. FOR EACH PASSENGER THAT PASSES THROUGH THE FACILITY. AND THEN ALSO THERE WAS AN ITD DIVISION OF AERONAUTICS GRANT PREVIOUSLY FOR $1 MILLION THAT GOES INTO THE FUNDING AS WELL. SO AND THEN YOUR LOCAL FUNDING, YOU ADDRESS THAT, PLEASE, IN TERMS OF OF WHAT? OF WHAT YOU I MEAN, THIS IS AIRPORT MONEY THAT MAYBE IS COMING IN THROUGH PARKING OR THIS IS LIKE, IF WE GET A NUMBER, THEN THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WE'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND TRY AND FIND LOCAL. JUST WANTED THAT FOR COUNCILS CONVERSATION. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PIECES TO WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

NUMBER ONE IS THAT ANY LOCAL FUNDING INTENT IS TO GENERATE THE FUND FOR THOSE FUNDS FROM AIRPORT SOURCES. AND SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT BORROWING THE POSSIBILITY OF DEBT SERVICE. THIS PLAN HAS US BORROWING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7 AND $10 MILLION, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION COST COMES IN. WE'RE IN. GRANT FUNDING AND LOCAL FUNDING RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 36 AND $37 MILLION AVAILABLE. AND AND. THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS THAT 7 TO 10 TO WHAT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SHOWN TODAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S BACKED BY PASSENGER.

FACILITY CHARGES OR, OR FROM. WHAT IT WILL. YOU'RE ASKING, WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF THE DEBT REPAID THE LOAN. YEAH. WHO'S THE GUARANTOR? IT WILL BE. THE CITY. I MEAN THAT IS THE AIRPORT SPONSOR, BUT IT WILL BE PAID BACK FOR THROUGH FEES GENERATED TO THE AIRPORT. BUT THE CITY IS THE GUARANTOR. THE CITY HAS TO BE THE GUARANTOR AS AS THE AS THE AIRPORT SPONSOR.

AND EVEN AT THAT WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THAT BORROWING LOOKS LIKE. IT COULD BE INTERNAL LENDING, BUT ON WHAT THAT COMES OUT TO BE, IT'D BE HARD TO GO OUT AND GET SOME KIND OF A CERTIFICATE OF PARTICIPATION. BUT BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE PREVIOUS 20 TO $25 MILLION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. YEAH. HOW HOW MUCH OF THIS ARE ANY OF THE GRANT FUNDING DEPENDS ON OUR OUR CONTRIBUTION, WHETHER MATCHES SOME OF THIS STUFF. ALL OF THEM HAVE ALL OF THEM MATCH REQUIREMENTS? YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN HOW MUCH FOR PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGES RIGHT NOW ARE WE USING? I'M ASSUMING MOST OF IT. AND SO NOW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO USE TO PAY OFF THIS LOAN GETS TO THAT VARIABLE. SO IT'S $5.7 MILLION. A LITTLE LESS IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY APPROVED. BUT THAT WAS BASED ON A NOW VERY OUTDATED COST ESTIMATE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING GOING INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR WE WILL HAVE TO RE REAPPLY AND GET APPROVAL FROM THE FAA FOR MORE TRIPS. BUT THAT MONEY ISN'T ALL AVAILABLE TO PAY FOR THIS EXPANSION RATE BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THAT TO RUN YOUR AIRPORT. I'M ASKING FOR THESE HAVE TO BE USED FOR ELIGIBLE PURPOSES, RIGHT? WHICH THE TERMINAL IS UP TO. THE DETERMINED ELIGIBILITY PERCENTAGE, NOT OPERATIONS. IT CANNOT BE USED FOR OPERATIONS. OKAY. AND THEN THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGES IS THEY CAN BE USED TO PAY INTEREST ON DEBT. OKAY. SO NONE OF OUR GRANT FUNDS CAN DO THAT. PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGES CAN BE USED TO PAY INTEREST. AND WHO DETERMINES THE THE LEVEL THE 450 SET US AS THE BOARD CONGRESS DOES, AND IT HAS NOT BEEN ADJUSTED SINCE 2000. SO IT'S BEHIND JUST JUST A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. OKAY. READY TO MOVE ON TO THE I MEAN, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE GOT MORE PRESENTATION FROM YOU. I JUST MEANT IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AROUND THAT, THAT FUNDING PIECE? JUST ONE. YES. YOU MENTIONED. SO THE PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGES CAN BE USED TO PAY DEBT. IS THERE A CAPS ON WHAT THE WHAT THE INTEREST RATE CAN BE ON THOSE? LIKE IF WE WERE TO DO AN INTERNAL LENDING, IT HAS TO MATCH WHAT THE LENDING RATES WOULD BE IN THE MARKET. MARKET RATES. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR LENDING POLICY HAS TO BE AS WELL FOR OUR OTHER ENTERPRISES TO LEND, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE

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YEAH. THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE THAT WILL. OKAY. BUT ULTIMATELY THAT 7 TO $10 MILLION, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THAT LENDING INTERNAL. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS PLAYING INTO THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AS A COUNCIL, AND THAT THAT BORROWING DOES NOT NEED TO OCCUR FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 12 MONTHS AT THIS POINT, A LOT OF TIME FOR THE MARKET TO CHANGE. THANK YOU. SO COULD YOU TAKE US THROUGH THE TIMELINE ONE MORE TIME, JUST QUICKLY? YEAH, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW. NOW THAT EVERYBODY KIND OF HAS THE BIG PICTURE, WE'RE PUTTING OUT THAT FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS PACKAGE. AGAIN, KEEP THE CONTRACTOR MOBILIZED.

WE'LL HAVE PRICING SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER. SO START TO ASSEMBLE A NEW GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE THAT'LL COME BEFORE COUNCIL. AND THEN OUR GOAL IS TO FINISH THE PHASE ONE DESIGN AND ISSUE THE PACKAGE BY THE END OF NOVEMBER, AND THEN THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY GO INTO PRICING AS WELL, JUST BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PACKAGE AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO IT, IT WON'T BE UNTIL EARLY 2027 THAT WE DO THAT. PRESENTING A GMP TO COUNCIL FOR, AND THEN EXPECT IT TO WORK IN THE SUMMER OF 27. WE EXPECT ALMOST TWO YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION. AND SO BECAUSE WE PUT THE FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS PACKAGE OUT THERE AND KEEP THEM MOBILIZED AND WORKING, OUR GOAL IS TO JUST CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. BUT THE FIRST TIME YOU COULD PUT ANYTHING ON THE GROUND WOULD BE THE SPRING OF 27. OUR GOAL IS POTENTIALLY MAYBE THIS FALL, BUT WE'VE JUST GOT TO SEE HOW EVERYTHING SHAKES OUT TIMING WISE AND WHAT WE GET FOR WINTER.

YOU KNOW, THIS LAST WINTER WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE COULD COUNT ON THAT HISTORICALLY WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN. SO WE KIND OF WANT SOME SNOW. SO YOU THINK THE BIDS WILL HIT THE STREET EARLY JANUARY. NO, I THINK THE BIDS WILL HIT THE STREET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE YEAR. AND THEN THEY'LL START TO, AS THEY PRICE OUT FROM DIFFERENT SUBCONTRACTORS, ASSEMBLE A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. AND THEN SOMETIME, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY CLOSER TO FEBRUARY WOULD BE BRINGING THAT FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. I MEAN, I KNOW IAN'S TALKED ABOUT THIS, SO JUST BE OPEN TO ALL KINDS OF ALTERNATIVES AS WE PROGRESS, RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. SO THAT'S CONSTRUCTION SPECIFIC.

THE NEXT TWO THINGS YOU WILL SEE FROM US IS AN AMENDMENT TO CLAY COE'S CONTRACT FOR PRE-DESIGN SERVICES TO GET US THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW WITH THE FAA. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO TAKE. THEY WERE BUSY GETTING GRANTS OUT, WHICH YOU ALL RECEIVED SOME NOTIFICATION ON A $2 MILLION GRANT FOR THE AIRPORT LAST WEEK.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WILL BE OUR DESIGN SERVICES FOR THIS NEXT PACKAGE OF WORK. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THOSE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 27TH. BUT WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF THE FAA ON TIMELINE ON THAT ONE. OKAY. AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU LOOK TO SEE WHETHER CLAY WAS STILL THE GROUP TO GO WITH AND JUST LEAVING THEM MOBILIZED IS IS OUR BEST ROUTE. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TRAVELING. ALL OF IT. TRAVEL SAFE. NATHAN. THANK YOU.

MELISSA. THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS TO

[City Council, Mayor]

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YEAH, LIKE 25. YEAH. BUT THERE'S SOME IDEAS TO KIND OF KEEP DOING THAT. BUT WE ARE THE SECOND LARGEST DUCK RACE IN THE COUNTRY BEHIND CHICAGO I THINK. REALLY? YEAH. WOW. I JUST HEARD A REPORT ON CHICAGO AND THEY DON'T EVEN TRY TO HAVE A RACE. THEY JUST DON'T LET THEM SIT FOR A FEW MINUTES AND THEY GO OUT AND PLUCK A FEW OUT. OH, REALLY? THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW THE WINTER WORKS. THEY DON'T BUY THE RIVER OR ANYTHING, BUT THEY DO THAT FOR SAINT PATRICK'S AND. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, THOUGH, FROM MY YEARS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. NO, NOTHING. NOTHING EITHER. NOTHING HERE EITHER. THANK YOU. OH, I DO HAVE ONE MORE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. JUST BE AWARE THAT I THINK ZACH AND HIS TEAM IS WORKING ON THE MOTORCYCLE ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE ISSUE, BECAUSE WE'RE HEARING THAT A LOT FROM ARKANSAS. OR AT LEAST I AM. AND SO JUST IF YOU HAVE THINGS YOU WANT TO OFFER IN THAT KIND OF VEIN, IF THERE'S THINGS YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE APPROACH, TALK WITH ZACH AND HIS TEAM. I THINK BOISE PASSED AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE AFTER A DEATH OF A TEEN, AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THERE'S JUST THIS THING THAT'S KIND OF CONVERGING. THE PRICES ARE COMING DOWN ENOUGH, AND YOU'RE SEEING 14 YEAR OLDS ON THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, JUST KIND OF LIKE THEY HAVE THIS NEW FREEDOM BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS 40 MILE AN HOUR SIDEWALK MODE OF TRANSPORTATION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. AND TO BE HONEST, I WALKED TUFTS PARK EVERY MORNING AND WE HAVE NEW TRAILS WITHIN TAPAS THAT ARE DUG UP BY THOSE TIRES THROUGH THE GRASS BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL ON MOTORBIKES WITH 40 MILE AN HOUR CAPABILITIES. SO WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION WITH DEPUTY CHIEF GALBREATH, COUNCILMAN LEE AND I TODAY ON THAT VERY TOPIC, WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF COMPLEXITY. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE? ONE OF THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES IS TO HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WORK THROUGH SOME OF OUR SUBDIVISION CODE, AND THERE'S KIND OF BEEN A PLAN OF LET'S DO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. THAT ALL IS GETTING A LITTLE JUMBLED UP AND IT LOOKS LIKE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD. IT'S GOING TO BE WORKING ON OUR NORTHGATE MILE PLAN, KIND OF THAT THE PLAN THAT BRAD KRAMER DID SOME YEARS BACK. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD. I KNOW THAT A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, CHRIS LEE, HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE ON THAT CITIZEN'S PART OF THAT. IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS SOMEBODY WHO THEY THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE INVOLVED IN THAT PARTICULAR PLAN PLANNING, PLEASE GET THOSE NAMES TO DIRECTOR CENTER SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT COMMITTEE FORMULATED AND MOVING THROUGH. I THINK IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY ADDRESS PARKING AND TREES AS WELL, NOT JUST FOR THE NORTHGATE, BUT MAYBE TAKE A BROADER LOOK AROUND THE CITY. SO IF YOU DO HAVE ANY OF THOSE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS OR INTEREST IN SOMEONE IN THAT, PLEASE GET THAT NAME TO DIRECTOR CENTER. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MORE THINGS. THIS IS MORE OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT. I'M DOING A I'M FILMING TODAY AT 530 WITH LIZA REILLY FOR THE SCREENING OF THE DOCUMENTARY ON WEDNESDAY THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN INVITED TO. IF FOR SOME REASON WE ARE NOT FINISHED WITH OUR COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS WILL WILL FINISH UP. SO THAT IS A SCREENING ON WEDNESDAY. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS SCREENING IS ACTUALLY SO THAT WE DON'T GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE'LL HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AT OUR UTILITY BOARD MEETING ON WEDNESDAY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL COMING ALONG AT THE SAME PACE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT AT INL WITH THE ADVANCED REACTORS, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH DATA CENTERS ACTUALLY NOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH GEOTHERMAL? THERE'S JUST A LOT HAPPENING IN EASTERN IDAHO, AND IT'S KIND OF

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YOU CAN SHOW UP. YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING. THE REGISTRATION WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS IN CHARGE

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS, LISA. WHAT TIME IS THE THING AT? YEAH THAT'S OKAY. I WILL LOOK THAT UP. I WILL BE THERE FOR MOST OF THE AFTERNOON. SO IT'S ON MY CALENDAR THAT WAY.

SO I'LL LOOK IT UP AND MAKE SURE I THINK IT'S OKAY. I WANT TO SAY IT'S 7 TO 830 WITH 7 TO 730. I'LL LOOK IT UP 7:30 A.M. OR P M. THIS IS AN EVENING. THERE WILL BE KIND OF AN OPEN HOUSE, THEN THERE WILL BE THE SCREENING, THEN THERE WILL BE A PANEL DISCUSSION. IT SEEMS LIKE THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, SO I'LL LOOK IT UP REALLY QUICK. HI. HEY. I THINK EVERYONE AT THE TABLE KNOWS WHO I AM. YES. NO, I'M MARY LUND. I'M ON THE BOARD.

SORRY, I'M MARY LUND ON THE BOARD. PAST CHAIR. I'M NOT THE CHAIR ANYMORE. I'M JUST A MEMBER AT LARGE. WE ARE ASKING, ACCORDING TO POLICY, CITY POLICY, TO APPROVE A LEAVE OF ABSENCE FOR ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES. I HOPE FOR YOU GUYS, THIS IS JUST A FORMALITY. SHE'S A VERY GOOD EMPLOYEE. SHE'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. SHE'S GETTING HER MASTER'S IN EDUCATION. SHE WORKS AT OUR MAKERSPACES, AND WE REALLY VALUE HER. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE HER LEAVE OF ABSENCE FOR SIX WEEKS SO SHE CAN DO HER PRACTICUM, KEEP HER BENEFITS.

12 WEEKS. EXCUSE ME. ROBERT. 12 WEEKS. KEEP HER BENEFITS. SHE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK SOME HOURS AT THE LIBRARY. BUT TO US, SHE'S A VERY VALUABLE EMPLOYEE. AND WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT PLEA TO YOU GUYS TO APPROVE THAT LEAVE OF ABSENCE, PLEASE. SO UNDER UNDER CITY POLICY, THERE'S TWO WAYS WHERE AN EMPLOYEE COULD HAVE EDUCATION LEAVE TO COMPLETE A DEGREE. ONE IS THE EDUCATION LEAVE ITSELF. IT'S CALLED THE EDUCATION LEAVE. AND IN THAT PARTICULAR POLICY, IT WOULD PRESUME THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMPLETELY GONE FROM WORK AND WOULD SHUT OFF ALL BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO CONTINUE WORKING 20 HOURS A WEEK AND JUST NEEDS ABOUT HALF TIME TO COMPLETE THEIR MASTER'S DEGREE OVER THREE MONTHS, I THINK IS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. AND SO WE'RE ASKING THIS IS AN ASK FOR LEAVE WITHOUT PAY, UNDER THE LEAVE WITHOUT PAY POLICY, JUST REDUCING THE SCHEDULE TO BE ON PAY FOR 20 HOURS A WEEK. IT'S AN HOURLY EMPLOYEE, BUT ALL THEIR OTHER BENEFITS WOULD REMAIN INTACT. ANYTHING THAT ACCRUES ON THE BASIS OF PERCENT OF FULL TIME, OR THE WAGES WILL JUST BE REDUCED BY THAT AMOUNT. WHEN THE RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTIONS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WOULD BE REDUCED, AND THE WAGES WOULD CONTINUE TO PAY FOR THEIR PORTION OF MEDICAL.

SO IT'S A REQUEST FOR LEAVE WITHOUT PAY. BUT THE PURPOSE IS AN EDUCATION LEAVE. IT JUST DIDN'T FIT NICELY INTO THAT CATEGORY. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULDN'T REALLY COST THE CITY MUCH MONEY. NO, IT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE REDUCED COSTS AND PROBABLY REDUCE PRODUCTIVITY FOR AT LEAST 90 DAYS. BUT THEN WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WHO'S GOT THAT EXTRA SKILL SET TO SERVE THE LIBRARY. AND SHE DOES TEACH FOR US. SO IT'S A VALUABLE ASSET JUST TO GAIN HER MLS OR SOMETHING. IT'S AN EDUCATION MASTERS. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL SEE THIS COME FORWARD ON THURSDAY. OKAY. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE APPROVING IT TODAY. DO WE NOT APPROVE IT? RIGHT. OH SORRY. IS THIS ACTION COUNCIL DIRECTION? IF IF IF COUNCIL'S READY TO APPROVE THAT TODAY, I'M FINE TO HAVE THAT. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LEAVE WITHOUT PAY AS PRESENTED BY THE LIBRARY. SECOND. DO. BETTER. OKAY. ROLL IS. LEE. YES. DINGMAN. YES.

FREEMAN. YES. FRANCIS A. LARSON. YES. AND RADFORD. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREAT SHIRT. I KNOW IT IS A GREAT SHIRT. I HAD TO WEAR MY COLORS. OKAY, COUNCIL, OUR NEXT

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THIS IS ONE THAT'S GOING TO NEED OUR FULL ATTENTION. AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S SO INCREDIBLY TIMELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO TURN OVER EVERY ROCK ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'LL JUST GIVE A LITTLE PRELIMINARY COMMENTS. AND THEN CARRIE, REALLY, CARRIE AND CAITLIN DID A GREAT JOB OF DIVING INTO CODE SECTION AND DOING A REALLY THOROUGH ANALYSIS, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION THAT WE'LL HAVE FOR YOU IN CHECK. AND IT WAS YEAH, NO PROBLEM. I'LL KEEP I'LL KEEP STALLING THOUGH. BUT BUT THIS IS IN REACTION TO SENATE BILL 67, 65, 41 OR THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW IN THE LOOP. AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION THAT WAS PASSED BY OUR STATE LEGISLATION. AND WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR YOU TODAY IS, ONE TO EXPLAIN OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE STATE CHANGE, BUT ALSO TO WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION. THERE'S THREE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH THAT WE NEED SOME HELP WITH, I GUESS, TO SAY, ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO IN ADJUSTING OUR CODE. WE DO HAVE TO ADOPT SOMETHING BY FEBRUARY 1ST, SO JUST BE COGNIZANT OF THAT. SO WE ARE IN A BIT OF A TIME CRUNCH, AND WE HAVE A TIMELINE LAID OUT THAT CARRIE WILL WILL GO OVER, BUT WITH THAT, WE WILL JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. BEFORE YOU JUMP IN, CAN I DEFINE FOR OUR STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION? YEAH, YEAH, WE GOT IT IN THE PRESENTATION. AS LONG AS THAT'S OH, THERE WE GO, THERE WE GO. PERFECT. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN. SO THIS IS THE THE LAST BILL OF THE LEGISLATURE THAT WE'RE REALLY HOPING TO ADDRESS WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IT IS MORE THE MOST COMPLEX AND IN SOME WAYS A LITTLE NEBULOUS AS WELL. SO THE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION, BY DEFINITION HERE, AND I KIND OF TRY TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE MAYBE THE MORE IMPORTANT WORDS. IT IS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. IT HAS SOME PARAMETERS TO IT OF BEING AT LEAST FOUR ACRES IN SIZE. THE INTENT AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS LEGISLATION IS REALLY TO TRY TO GET TO ATTAINABLE HOME OWNERSHIP. THAT BEING SAID, THE LEGISLATURE HAS NOT IDENTIFIED OR DEFINED FOR US WHAT ATTAINABLE MEANS. IT IS ALSO SPECIFICALLY LAYS OUT FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS ON SMALLER LOTS. THE SMALLER LOT IS DEFINED AS NOTHING MORE THAN 1500FT■S WOULD BE THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND INTENDED OBVIOUSLY FOR COMPACT HOMES. IF THE. IF THE LOT IS ALSO COMPACT, SO WILL BE THE HOME WITH THE OVERALL INTENT OF REDUCING COSTS AND. BUT THEN STILL MAINTAINING COMPATIBILITY, WHICH IS ALSO A NEBULOUS TERM. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. WHERE IT APPLIES BY THE STATUTE IS IN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONES IN EVERY ZONE THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE CITY IS REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO ALLOW FOR A STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION. SO CAN WE JUST OR WILL THIS BE SHOWN BUT FOUR ACRES OF 1500FT■S LOTS. WHAT'S THAT DENSITY? YES IT WILL, IT WILL ALL WE'LL TALK ABOUT EXAMPLES. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DENSITY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OUR CODE IS DOING AND WHAT THIS ALL LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN HERE'S KIND OF THE THREE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF OUR STANDARDS AND HOW THEY SORT OF APPLY SOME COMPARISONS SO YOU CAN GET A GOOD BASE UNDERSTANDING. THEN WE'LL WORK THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES SO THAT WE CAN ALSO SORT OF TALK THROUGH THAT. HOW WOULD IT APPLY. WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES IN THE CITY THAT ARE SIMILAR BUT NOT QUITE THE SAME THING. SO AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF TEXAS THAT IS SORT OF THAT THING WHERE WE CAN REALLY SHOW YOU MAYBE EVEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE FLOOR PLAN IS, THE FOOTPRINT, THAT SORT OF THING. AND THEN, AS WADE INDICATED, WE HAVE SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU AT THE END. THE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT ARE GREAT. SO. THIS IS JUST THE

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GENERALLY THOUGH, THEY'RE LARGER THAN THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE MINIMUMS. THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS DOES NOT CURRENTLY REGULATE LOT DEPTH. THAT'S NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE REQUIRE.

AGAIN, THE REGULAR THE STATUTE WOULD SAY THAT WE IF WE DO HAVE A RESTRICTION, WE. IT CAN'T BE OVER 70FT IN THE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION. OUR SETBACKS. YOU CAN SEE THERE. WE ALREADY DO HAVE SOME 15 FOOT FRONT AND REAR SETBACKS. THOSE ARE IN YOUR. TEN YOUR R3 OR R3 A.

THOSE ARE THE MORE OF YOUR MEDIUM DENSITY TYPE ZONES. SOME OF THOSE LOW DENSITY ZONES, LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE, IS 40FT IN A RESIDENTIAL PARK IS 30. SIDE SETBACK AT FIVE FEET IS NOT REALLY UNUSUAL. IN FACT, THAT'S FAIRLY TYPICAL. OUR SETBACKS, THOUGH WE DO HAVE SOME FIVE FEET, BUT ALSO SIX AND SEVEN AND A HALF. SO THE SIDE SETBACKS REALLY NOT TOO FAR OUT OF THE REALM OF OUR NORMAL ZONES. AND THEN THE REAR SETBACK YOU'RE SEEING THERE, THE SETBACKS FOR PRIMARY STRUCTURES, SETBACKS FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, DETACHED GARAGE OR A SHED, OR CAN EVEN GO AS SMALL AS THREE FEET WHEN THEY'RE OFF OF AN ALLEYWAY. SO A 15 FOOT REAR, FAIRLY FAIRLY COMMON. I'M NOT SEEING A TON OF CONCERNS THERE. THE REGULATIONS THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO IN A LATER SLIDE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO NOTE HERE THAT THE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROVIDE US ANY GUIDANCE OR DIRECTION WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS THE HEIGHT, WHAT IS THE DENSITY OR THE LOT COVERAGE AS A REQUIREMENT FOR A, FOR A STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION? AND THEN IN THE BOTTOM BULLET POINTS, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THERE ARE SOME MIXED USE ZONES THAT YOU DON'T SEE ON THE TABLE THAT ALSO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES. THE LC, THE CC ZONE, THE LC IS GOING TO BE WHEN WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES, GETS BUILT TO THE R3, A STANDARD SO THAT YOU DO SEE IN THE TABLE. THE CC ZONE DOES NOT HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZES OR SETBACKS. THAT CENTRAL COMMERCIAL ZONE IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY OUR DOWNTOWN ZONE. THAT CC ZONE HAS BEEN EXPANDED TO NORTHGATE MILE. FIRST STREET CORRIDORS, ALSO AROUND SNAKE RIVER LANDING, WHERE WE HAVE MORE OF THAT SORT OF DOWNTOWN, SAME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT TYPE. SO IT DOES APPLY EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY. DOING OUR ANALYSIS.

WHAT YOU SEE HERE, WE WENT AND TOOK ALL OF THE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY THAT IS

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RIGHT? SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, YEAH, WE, WE, WE ANNEXED THEM. AND THEN WE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, STEP THIS NEIGHBORHOOD UP WITH OUR TWO BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THIS KIND OF DENSITY BACKING UP AGAINST MAYBE IT'S OUR EE OR OUR P. AND SO WE, WE'VE ALREADY ANNEXED THESE AND GIVEN THEM A DESIGNATION, RIGHT. THAT, THAT THIS WILL NOW TOTALLY CHANGE.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY HAVE ANY RIGHT TO A HEARING. THERE'S NO HEARING COMPONENT WITH THIS.

THE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION IS A PERMITTED USE, SO THERE WILL BE NO HEARING ASSOCIATED OTHER THAN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT HEARING, WHICH WOULD ONLY BE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL, NOT IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. AND THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THE BAIT AND SWITCH, WHICH I THINK IS MAYBE WHAT THE MAYOR IS ALLUDING TO. SOMETHING COMES IN AS R1R, R P AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THINKS THEY'RE GETTING ONE THING. AND THEN ON CONSTRUCTION DAY, SOMETHING DIFFERENT SHOWS UP. AND THAT'S VERY REAL. BUT THE STATE WAS ALSO VERY CLEAR THAT THIS SHOULD APPLY IN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND SHOULD BE ALLOWED. I DO THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S LIKE IN EVERY HEARING WE'LL HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY YOUR ZONING FOR R-1, BUT THIS ALSO COULD SHOW UP. I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE WE HEAR THAT A LOT NOW. YEAH, WE HEAR THAT NOW. AND THAT'S ON AN ACTUAL PUBLISHED REZONE, RIGHT? LET ALONE LIKE YOU'RE DOING IT FOR R1 OR R P AND AND THIS WOULD BE EVERY HEARING. LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. THESE RED SECTIONS ARE CLEARLY THINGS THAT ARE, BUT ARE THE, THE WHITE IN THIS MAP NEXT TO THE RED SECTION ON THE SOUTH, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT AREN'T ANNEXED YET. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUY THAT PROPERTY AND THEN BE ANNEXED, THEN THIS WOULD THEN BE AN OPTION FOR THEM. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE R1. YEAH, RIGHT.

LIKE, OH, R1 WOULD WE WANT A GRANT RECOGNIZING THAT EVERYBODY HAVE THIS WOULD GET THIS. AND WE COULDN'T NOT EVERY USE EVERY EVERY RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. AND WE COULDN'T SAY NO TO THIS BY STATE STATUTE. CORRECT. AND THE COUNTIES IN THE SAME BOAT AS US. NOT YET. THIS DOES NOT APPLY. A COUNTY APPLIES TO CITIES OF 10,000 PEOPLE OR MORE. OKAY. SO BLACKFOOT, POCATELLO, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO WANT TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY THEN, RIGHT. OR THEY WILL THEY'LL WANT TO ANNEX IT TO THIS. NO, A DEVELOPER WOULD WANT TO IF THEY DIDN'T WANT IT TO EVER CHANGE TO THIS. LIKE IF SOMEBODY HAD A PROPERTY AND THEY'RE LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A TINY HOME VILLAGE. I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE OPEN SPACE AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN IT, BUT ANY DEVELOPER COULD COME WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE ONE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND THEN THEY COULD SHOW UP WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT SHOWS THIS, RIGHT. THE ANNEXATION AND THE INITIAL ZONING WILL STILL NEED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE LONG RANGE LAND USE PLAN, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT WILL ALL STILL NEED TO BE IN SYNC. BUT BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED IN EVERY ZONE, THEN YES, IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE

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YEAH. BY DEFINITION IT'S DETACHED. YEAH. YOU CAN SEE IT. BUT IT'S EXACTLY DON'T YOU THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE LESS WITH THE OTHER TWO STATE LAWS AS WELL, RIGHT. LIKE THE DENSITY. YEAH. YEAH. BUT YOU. YEAH. IT IS INTERESTING. TELL ME ABOUT THE FINAL PLAT HEARING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE P AND Z. WHAT CAN THEY CONSIDER. BECAUSE FOR US WITH FINAL PLATS WE CAN ALMOST CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO APPROVE THEM IF THEY MET OUR. IS THAT TRUE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT? NO, NOT QUITE.

WITH YOUR FINAL PLAT. IT IS. IT'S A BUSINESS ITEM. YOU SHALL APPROVE IF IT MEETS ALL THE MINIMUM STANDARDS. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO ENSURE THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH OUR LONG RANGE PLANS. IT'S GOING TO WORK FROM A TRANSPORTATION LAYOUT AND UTILITY STANDPOINT. WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICES TO IT. ACCESS POINTS ARE MAINTAINED FOR THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HEAR IN PRELIMINARY PLAT HEARINGS ALL OF THE THINGS WE NORMALLY HEAR, CONCERNS ABOUT WATER AND SCHOOL OVERCROWDING AND TRAFFIC AND STORM DRAINAGE AND AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION, A WORK SESSION LIKE THIS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEY UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REALLY HARD MEETINGS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE THINKING IT'S ONE THING AND IT BEING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND THEN WE GET TO THEY CAN COME TO COUNCIL AS AN APPEAL. CORRECT.

OF WHAT? PLANNING AND ZONING. RIGHT. THAT'S I MEAN, IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, IT'S ONLY HAPPENED ONE TIME. YEAH. YOU MIGHT SEE MORE PILLS FROM A PRELIMINARY PLAT. THAT'S TRUE. JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE IT. BUT. RIGHT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE THAT WE ALLOW FOR IT. AND THERE ARE SOME SAFEGUARDS. YEP. I'M INTERESTED. I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT YOUR REACTION WAS TO THAT. OH, I JUST IN GENERAL, WELL, JUST THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT, YOU SEEM TO BE LIKE, NO, MINE I JUST KNOW THERE'S OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE STATE THAT HAVE TAKEN A DIFFERENT ANGLE ON THEIR REQUIRED ABILITY OR REQUIREMENT TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN. SO JUST TAKE IT THAT WAY. YEAH, RIGHT. THE BUILDING AS TALL AS THEY WANT. IS THERE ANY LIMIT ON HEIGHT? THERE IS. THE STATUTE IS SILENT WHEN IT COMES TO HEIGHT, AND STAFF'S THINKING IS THAT THE ZONING WOULD MAINTAIN THE HEIGHT SO THAT THEY'RE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ZONE. MOST OF OUR SINGLE UNIT RESIDENTIAL ZONE IS A TWO STORY HEIGHT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WHEN YOU GET TO R-2 AND ABOVE. THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE STORY OR YOUR MIXED USE ZONES, YOUR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE. THERE IS NOT A HEIGHT LIMIT TO THEM. SO IF IT'S IF IT'S SILENT ON THE SUBJECT, THEN ZONE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE MORE CONSTRAINED BY THE BUILDING CODE IN THAT IN THAT R1 IS RIGHT. WE WOULD HAVE SOME ABILITY TO PROVIDE SOME STANDARDS THERE OR AT LEAST APPLY. OUR CURRENT CODE IS THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY PROJECT FOR LIKE IS ARE THEY SOMEONE WHO MIGHT COME BACK TO THIS? AND SO THEIRS IS LARGER THAN FOUR ACRES, BUT IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR THING BECAUSE OF THEIR, THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE. THEY WERE WORKING WITH A SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE, A MIX OF TYPES. AND SO SOMETHING SIMILAR. ULTIMATELY, THEY WERE LIMITED MORE BY FIRE PROBLEMS. RIGHT. IN TERMS OF. NO, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE THEY'RE PHASING WAS LIMITED BY FIRE.

BUT THE OVERALL LAYOUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT WITH HABITAT, THOUGH. THEY WERE GOING FOR A VERY SPECIFIC THING, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, A PLAN THAT THEY WANTED TO PRODUCE. THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO PUT AS MANY UNITS AS THEY COULD ON THE PROPERTY. THEY WERE TRYING TO HAVE AN OVERALL THING. RIGHT? SO THERE ARE SOME SAFEGUARDS, THOUGH, BUILT INTO THE STATUTE. WE COULD POTENTIALLY DENY A SUBDIVISION IF WE COULD DEMONSTRATE THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. IT'S A HIGH BAR, I THINK, FOR DENIAL. ANY LAWS REGARDING WATER, SEWER, STORM DRAINAGE, BASICALLY CAPACITY CONCERNS IF THERE CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS ON THE SYSTEM. BUT IDAHO FALLS IS PLANNED REALLY WELL. PUBLIC WORKS DOES AN AWESOME JOB WHEN IT COMES TO WATER AND WATER AND FUTURE PLANNING. SO CAPACITY HAS NEVER REALLY BEEN ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES. AND THEN BUT STORM DRAINAGE. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENT TO, YOU

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AND THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, WE KNOW WE COULD DO THIS STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION WITH THIS MANY HOMES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO COME IN WITH A LOWER DENSITY AND DO A PUD, BUT WE HAVE THESE OTHER AMENITIES AND THEY KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PUD THINGS. AND THE THINGS THAT WE THINK THAT WERE FAVORABLE FOR WOULD THEN, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING STAFF WOULD THEN SAY MAYBE OR, OR IS THERE SOMETHING I'M MISSING? IS THERE SOMETHING MORE? I THINK THE DEVELOPER WOULD EITHER HAVE TO DO A PUD OR HAVE TO DO A STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION. THEY KIND OF DO BOTH, RIGHT? THEY'D HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, AND THIS IS TRUE TODAY, THE REASON MOST DEVELOPERS CHOOSE A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS TO GET AWAY FROM PUBLIC ROADS, TO HAVE A SMALLER STREET SECTION WITH PRIVATE STREETS. SO IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE DEVELOPER, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO SEE THEM COME FORWARD TO YOU WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. OKAY.

MOST OF THE EXPENSE AND A LOT OF THE EXPENSES IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO CITY STREETS ARE, ARE GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE HERE. OUR TYPICAL LOCAL STREET IS 60FT WIDE. IF IT'S A COLLECTOR, RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, IT WOULD BE 70. WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENT FOR TWO ACCESS POINTS FOR 30 UNITS OR MORE. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SUBDIVISION FROM TWO PLACES. OUR UTILITY EASEMENTS, I DON'T BELIEVE WILL CHANGE AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET ALL OF THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. YEAH. AND DRIVEWAYS, THIS ISN'T THIS IS A PUBLIC WORKS REQUIREMENT, BUT DRIVEWAYS AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE. MORE THAN 50% OF THE PROPERTY'S FRONTAGE. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT WILL CHANGE THAT. THEN THE STATUTE IS SILENT ON ANY OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. THIS REQUIREMENT IS ACTUALLY EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

IT'S IN ONE JUST PROVIDING SPACE FOR TRANSFORMERS AND METER PITS, GETTING THE UTILITIES IN AND OUT OF THE UNITS. ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE THE STREETSCAPE ISN'T JUST ONE CONTINUOUS CURB CUT PLACE TO PILE SNOW IN THE WINTER, SOME ON STREET PARKING. SO REALLY, I THINK THIS SORT OF ENCOURAGES PEOPLE AND DEVELOPMENTS LIKE A STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION BEING A REAR LOADED, HAVING PRIVATE ALLEYS THAT SERVICE THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS. IT WILL BE MY ASSUMPTION. ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR SEPARATION OF UTILITIES WILL STILL BE THE SAME. AND SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO A SMALLER LOT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE ABLE TO GET THESE SEPARATIONS AND, AND MAKE THAT WORK. AND SO GETTING YOUR LOT SIZES PRETTY NARROW IS CHALLENGING NOW, LET ALONE FROM THEIR. SO NOW MAYBE WE CAN GO THROUGH A FEW EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY.

THIS IS OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, 10TH STREET AND 11TH STREET. THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISIONS OF THE CITY. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IN THE YELLOW LINES IS ACTUALLY OUR. THE ORIGINAL PLATTED LOTS. AND SO THOSE LOTS ARE 25FT WIDE BY 125FT. AND REMIND US WHAT THIS IS. SORRY, WHAT REMIND US WHAT THE LOT SIZES 25FT BY 125FT FOR THE STARTER HOME, 30 BY 70. OKAY.

RIGHT. SO SLIGHTLY NARROWER BUT SHORTER, ABOUT 3000FT■S. AND STARTER HOME SUBDIVISIONS 1500 HERE YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE HOMES WERE BUILT OVER PROPERTY LINES. AND SO AND THIS IS OUR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE PRIOR TO THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE, MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL CITY WAS ZONED R1. AND IT WAS REALLY NON-COMPLIANT. THAT R ONE CAME INTO PLACE, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETIME IN THE 60S OR 70S. AND IT BASICALLY TOOK SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MADE ALL OF THE HOMES NON-COMPLIANT AND NON-CONFORMING. WHEN WE INSTITUTED THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE IN 2018, WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS RECOGNIZING THESE AS BUILDABLE LOTS. AGAIN, THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS THAT EACH OF THESE LOTS BE BUILDABLE. AND SO WE DID THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE SEEN SORT OF THOSE NARROWER, SKINNIER HOMES CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHAT'S MADE THAT POSSIBLE BECAUSE SEVERAL PEOPLE

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THIS WAS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, BUT THIS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE FROM OTHER PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS. THE CENTER ROAD THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE MIDDLE, HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE, IS ACTUALLY A PUBLIC STREET. SO THAT IS A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

THE OTHER ROADS THROUGHOUT THAT YOU SEE TO, TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT ARE PRIVATE STREETS. SO THEY'RE A NARROWER STREET SECTION. BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS SECTION OF FALCON CREST, IT ACTUALLY IS ALMOST FOUR ACRES. THOSE LOT DIMENSIONS YOU CAN SEE THERE THEY ARE 20 TO 30FT WIDE AND 70FT DEEP. SO ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT WE'RE SEEING.

WHEN CAITLYN AND I DID THE NUMBERS AND KIND OF TOOK OUT THE RIGHT OF WAY AND LOOKED AT THAT, YOU'RE RIGHT OF WAYS AND ROADS ARE ABOUT 30% OF THE OVERALL ACREAGE AND LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE. AND SO WE WERE THERE ABOUT 13 UNITS PER ACRE IS ROUGHLY WHAT THAT IS. THIS WAS PLANNED FOR ATTACHED TOWNHOMES, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE THAT DIMENSIONAL BETWEEN 20FT WIDE AND 30FT WIDE. SO THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT WE MIGHT SEE OR, OR MIGHT GET. THIS IS WAS CALLED INNOVATION POINT.

THIS IS OFF. I OWN A ROAD 33RD NORTH BETWEEN WHERE THE NEW MAVERIK IS ON FIFTH EAST AND FIFTH WEST, SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. NORTH BOULEVARD WAS HERE ON THE ON THE EAST SIDE. SO THAT DEVELOPER. THIS WAS NOT BUILT. NOW THAT DEVELOPER WAS DOING SMALLER LOTS WITH DETACHED SINGLE UNIT STRUCTURES. YOU CAN SEE THE LOT DIMENSIONS 45 BY 85. THIS DEVELOPER 267 UNITS ON FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. THEY HAD QUITE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH ISN'T A REQUIREMENT IN THE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION. THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER WAS LOOKING AFTER A SPECIFIC LIFESTYLE, BUT THIS HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED. SO IF YOU TOOK THOSE OPEN SPACE AND DIVIDED THEM INTO LOTS, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT PRIVATE ALLEY THAT WOULD MAYBE SERVICE THE LOTS, AND YOU'D HAVE REAR LOADED GARAGES IN ORDER TO FACILITATE BOTH UTILITIES AND ALSO PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS OVER BY TAYLOR VIEW JUNIOR HIGH, AND WE'RE JUST SOUTH OF THERE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ROW OF UNITS HERE, AGAIN LOT WIDTHS 30 TO 40FT WIDE, 100FT DEEP. BUT ELIZA JOY IS A PUBLIC ROAD. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE YOU COULD SEE THIS IS MORE OF THAT IN AN R1 NEIGHBORHOOD OR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S TYPICALLY R1. WE DO HAVE SOME R2 IN THE AREA. R ONE AND R P THOUGH ARE THE PREDOMINANT ZONING THROUGHOUT. BUT THOSE ARE ALL ATTACHED, RIGHT? THESE ARE THESE ARE TWIN HOMES. SO THERE'S TWO ATTACHED TOGETHER.

SO THEY LOOK BIGGER. THE LOTS LOOK BIGGER. THE RIGHT. YEAH YEAH YEAH. IS THIS A PLANNING DEVELOPER. THIS IS A PLANNING. WHAT'S IT READ. WHAT'S IN READ IS A PLANNING. YEAH. CORRECT.

YEAH. THE LOTS ON THE WEST ON ALI ROSE ARE IS A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER. THOSE ARE ALSO TWIN HOMES BUT THEY'RE WIDER LARGER LARGER LOTS. THIS IS THAT ELIZA JOY GOING TO. YEAH. IS THERE GOING TO IS IT GOING TO ATTACH TO CLIFTON WAY OR ARE THOSE TWO GOING TO MEET. YES. THAT'S THE LONG TERM PLAN. OKAY. THERE'S SOME OTHER SOME PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERSHIPS BETWEEN THOSE TWO. BUT THE PLAN IS FOR THOSE TO COME TOGETHER EVENTUALLY. OKAY. SO NOW WE GET

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IT'S A 50FT RATHER THAN OUR 60 FOOT. RIGHT. DOES THIS SUBDIVISION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THEN THEY HAVE SIMILAR. RESTRICTIONS AS TO SETBACKS AND WHATNOT. YES. SOME OF THE SETBACKS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION WOULD REQUIRE. SO THIS IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BUILT OUT. THIS IS JUST A STREET VIEW. OBVIOUSLY ON GARBAGE DAY. AND THEY PICKED UP THE GARBAGE ALREADY. YEAH. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE THEY PUT THE GARBAGE.

WOULD YOU SAY THAT THIS IS ROUGHLY 50% OF THE DRIVE OF THE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE, WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 50% DRIVEWAY? YES. EYEBALLING IT. YEAH. THEY HAVE ABOUT TEN FEET BETWEEN EACH UNIT. SO THERE'S YOUR FIVE FOOT SETBACK. FOR EACH UNIT. YOU GET A TOTAL OF TEN FEET THROUGH THERE. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS THE WIDTH OF OF THE HOME. AND WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT. I MEAN, IF THE POINT OF THIS IS TO TRY TO LOWER HOME COST. SO WE WE'VE BEEN YOU KNEW THIS WAS COMING. WE DID, WE DID. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS NAUSEAM. AND KAITLIN'S DONE SOME REALLY GOOD RESEARCH ON ZILLOW FOR THE SAN ANTONIO MARKET IS SOFTER THAN. IT REMINDS ME OF A SINGLE WIDE TRAILER HOUSES. BUT THEY'RE TWO STORIES AND SOME OF IT DOESN'T.

SOME OF THE HOUSING PRICES. WHEN WE LOOKED AT ZILLOW, BE COGNIZANT, DOESN'T QUITE COMPARE BECAUSE YOUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE ACTUALLY VERY HIGH IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. BUT THE PRICES OF HOMES TEND TO BE LOWER. YEAH. SO THE I WOULD ADD THAT THE FINISH IS FAR MORE THAN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO FINISH IN QUARTZ AND HIGH FINISH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PRICE OF A HOME IS SO MUCH DEPENDENT ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, THE EXTERIOR FINISH AND WHAT IS THE INTERIOR FINISHES? I MEAN, YOU CAN BE 400 A SQUARE FOOT OR 250 A SQUARE FOOT. YOUR LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT PRICE POINT FOR SURE. WELL, THERE'S NO WINDOWS ON THE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS EITHER. GO BACK TO THAT. LOOK AT THAT ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS ON THE SIDE. THE OTHER ONE'S GOT ONE. THE BOTTOM LEFT. YEAH. THESE ARE THE THE FLOOR PLANS. THEY DO HAVE SOME BACKYARD. AND THEN IT IS A TWO BEDROOM TWO BATH UNIT. THEY ARE SMALL. WE LOOKING AT PRICE POINT FOR THE 300 SQUARE FOOT UNIT, WHICH REALLY WAS BUILT AS A TINY HOME THAT'S BUILT WITH A TINY HOME BUILDING CODE. IT ACTUALLY HAD A LADDER FOR THE LOFT AREA RATHER THAN STAIRS. THESE UNITS THAT I'M SHOWING ARE ACTUALLY BUILT TO THE REGULAR RESIDENTIAL CODE WITH STAIRS. THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT UNITS WERE ON ZILLOW FOR 143, SO 300FT■!S OF 3300. THE 600 660 SQUARE FOOT UNIT THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS IN THE 150 ON ZILLOW, AND THAT'S TEXAS. THAT'S TEXAS. THE ODD THING IS WE LOOKED AT THAT AGAIN, JUST SO I COULD. YEAH, THE 300 SQUARE FOOT 300 WAS 143, AND THE 660 SQUARE FOOT WAS 155.

AND OUR CURRENT ADUS ARE 800, 700, 767, CORRECT. SO THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO IS THAT EACH OF THESE HOMES CAN HAVE AN EIGHT YEAR AS WELL FOR THE NEW STATE. FOR THAT STATE STATUTE, THEY COULD HAVE AN ADU BEHIND THEM. CORRECT. THERE WAS SUFFICIENT ROOM TO SITE ONE AND MAKE THAT FUNCTION. AND AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT THAT WOULD PREVENT AN OUTSIDE INVESTOR FROM BUYING UP THESE HOMES AND SHORT TERM RENTAL, EVERYONE IN INVESTMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. IT COULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH STARTER HOMES. IT COULD HAVE A BIG INVESTMENT. THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT THAT. NOTHING. NO. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE FOUR ACRES. SO DOES THAT WHOLE FOUR ACRES HAVE TO BE IN OR CAN IT BE A SIX ACRE DEVELOPMENT? AND YOU CAN MIX. SO WE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM THERE WITH THE WAY THE STATUTE READS IS WE CAN ACTUALLY BE LESS RESTRICTIVE. SO WE COULD ALLOW. AND WE WOULD NOW LIKE IF, IF SOMEONE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO.

IF I GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL CITY LAYOUT, IT'D BE SIMILAR TO THIS, RIGHT? IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUY TWO LOTS, TWO 1500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND HAVE A 3000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, THEY

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WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING IS THE WHOLE FOUR ACRES HAS TO BE. YEAH. WHICH IS WHY WHEN WE GO BACK TO THAT MAP OF THE CITY, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT NECESSARILY IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, 3000FT■S THAT'S AVAILABLE TO BUILD ON. THEY DON'T HAVE FOUR ACRES THERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE STARTER SUBDIVISION. KERRY, CAN YOU SHOW THE SLIDE OF THE FRONT VIEW OF THAT BUILDING AGAIN? YES. SO THAT'S TEN FEET BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS. IF IT'S A FIVE FOOT, UNIT. IS THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SO HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WAS THAT. 660 606FT. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO GIVE TIME FOR YOU TO DIGEST BECAUSE WE'VE ALL HAD TIME ON OUR END. AND IT'S A LOT.

IT'S A LOT. SO WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN. SO. HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU HAVE? WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT? YEAH. WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT? OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS. MY CONCERN IS THIS. I DON'T THINK THIS IS A BAD PRICE POINT. IT'S A BAD SQUARE FOOTAGE. I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD IN IN SMALLER NUMBERS. IT MAKES SENSE. I THINK IT'S DOING WHAT? MISSING MIDDLE. AND IMAGINE IF HAS SAID WE SHOULD DO. YEAH. BUT IN LARGE NUMBERS FOUR ACRES, TEN ACRES OF THIS SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS CONCERNING FROM LOTS OF ANGLES, LAND USE, AND EVERY OTHER THING. CAN WE REQUIRE, CAN WE PUT ANY STIPULATIONS ON DEVELOPMENT TO REQUIRE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS? THINGS LIKE THAT JUST MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING. WE CANNOT WE CANNOT PER THE STATUTE. WE CANNOT. I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT CITY WIDE AND YOU WANTED TO REGULATE EVERYONE WHO APPLIED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT FOR A SINGLE UNIT HOME, THEN THERE MAYBE COULD BE SOME ARGUMENT TO DO THAT. I'M FOR THAT. BUT WE COULD ALSO DO THAT FOR OUR APARTMENTS. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE ELECTION WAS MAYBE A CITY WIDE OVERRIDE ZONE. OVERLAY ZONE. SORRY, THAT COULD HELP US HAVE APARTMENTS LOOK LESS LIKE THREE STORIES THAT ALL HAVE THE SAME VINYL. YOU KNOW, THEY ALL JUST LOOK SO SIMILAR AND MAYBE DO SOMETHING ABOUT DESIGN. THE OVERALL GOAL OF THIS REMEMBER THOUGH, IS ATTAINABILITY NOW, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. HOW CAN WE GET PRICE POINTS DOWN TO A POINT WHERE SOMEONE CAN ATTAIN THEM? BUT SOMETIMES DESIGN DOESN'T NEED TO COST MORE. RIGHT? YEAH. THAT IS TRUE TO WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF TO ATTAIN. AGREED. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND I WISH THE STATE WOULD HAVE PULLED THIS, BUT THEY DID NOT. YEAH. AND THERE WERE NO I THINK THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO STIPULATIONS ABOUT THIS BEING. THIS COULD BE AN ALL INVESTOR OWNED. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OWNER OWNER OCCUPIER. CORRECT. AND WHAT ABOUT DEED RESTRICTED PROPERTIES? DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING? I THINK IS A MISS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE ATTAINABILITY, RIGHT? YEAH. NOW IF THERE ARE PRIVATE COVENANTS OR SOMETHING IN PLACE IN A SUBDIVISION, THOSE ARE STILL GOING TO APPLY THE SUBDIVISION IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE. THOSE CAN CONTINUE TO ENFORCE THOSE. IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD DO. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO JUST RUN THROUGH REAL QUICKLY IS JUST THIS EXERCISE ON THIS PROPERTY HERE, ALSO OUTLINED IN RED, THIS IS ROUGHLY FOUR ACRES. WE'RE ON JUST SOUTH OF TAYLOR VIEW JUNIOR HIGH ON SOUTH HOLMES. IF SOMEONE WERE TO ANNEX THAT PROPERTY IN AND HAVE IT COME IN AS R1 OR R3, THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, EVEN IF IT CAME IN AS R2. WE HAVE R2

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SO IF YOU TAKE 60FT OUT OF THAT FRONTAGE FOR A CITY STREET, THAT LEAVES YOU LOT DEPTH OF 80FT ON EACH SIDE ON EACH SIDE. SO THESE LOTS COULD BE 30 BY 80. SO EVEN A LITTLE LARGER THAN WHAT THE STATE WOULD REQUIRE. AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND A MINIMUM OF 1500. HOW WOULD YOU PROVIDE A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT. SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. SO THE SAME RULES APPLY. SO THEY COULD CONSTRUCT A CUL DE SAC. BUT OUR OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS SAY THAT IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES YOU CAN'T HAVE A CUL DE SAC THAT'S LONGER THAN 600FT OR 600. SO 600FT IS ABOUT THREE FOURTHS OF THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU DON'T GET ALL THE WAY TO THE END. AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR TWO ACCESS POINTS ONCE WE GET OVER 30 OR MORE. SO THIS PROPERTY REALLY COULD CONSTRUCT 29 DWELLING UNITS ON THE 30TH DWELLING UNIT.

THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE FIGURED OUT SOME MECHANISM OF GETTING A ROAD THAT WOULD CONNECT BACK TO THE NORTH HERE, OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD CONNECT DOWN TO 49TH SOUTH. SO THEY WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH THEIR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO WORK ON MORE OF A PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN JUST THAT PARCEL. SO THERE ARE THOSE LIMITATIONS THAT COME INTO THAT. IF YOU COULD GET TWO, IF YOU COULD GET THE SECONDARY ACCESS FIGURED OUT, JUST IF WE WERE GOING OFF, TAKING THAT 30% OUT FOR RIGHT OF WAY AND ROAD DEDICATION, AND THEN JUST LOTS THAT WERE 1500 SQUARE FOOT, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 81 UNITS ON THAT PARCEL. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK THERE. I'M JUST THINKING OF THOSE PICTURES YOU SHOWED US OF THE SIX 60S. YES.

SO THE ONLY PLACE TO PARK IN FRONT AND AS SHORT AS THE SETBACKS ARE, YOU'VE GOT ONE CAR AS LONG AS THE OTHER VEHICLE. YEAH. THEN YOU'VE GOT. BUT THE STREETS HAVE TO BE 60 FOOT STREETS. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO CONCEIVABLY FROM A FIRE STANDPOINT, IF YOU HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE 60 FOOT STREET, CAN YOU STILL GET A FIRE ENGINE DOWN THERE? YEAH, EASILY. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE'VE LANDED ON THE 60 AS THE THE DEFAULT. BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING PARKING, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO BE A, THE 50FT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS IS MORE TIGHT. YEAH. THE 60 GIVES THAT ROOM. SO IT'S LIKE SEVENTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE THOSE 50 FOOT STREETS, RIGHT? ANY MODERN SUBDIVISION THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN, BUT IT MAKES IT PRETTY DIFFICULT FOR CARS TO GO UP THAT DIRECTION. CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES AND SNOWPLOW. YEAH, RIGHT. THERE'S SOME OTHER LIMITATIONS TO PARKING IS A GREAT ONE. THE STATUTE DOES NOT ADDRESS PARKING. AND SO THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THERE THAT IF WE APPLY OUR PARKING STANDARDS. WILL IT'LL MAKE IT CHALLENGING FOR IT TO BE BUILT. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS WOULD STILL APPLY TO THAT PROPERTY, MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING.

NOT JUST EVERY VACANT PARCEL IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE OR USEFUL FOR THIS TYPE OF THING. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF SOMEBODY BUYS IT AND THEY ANNEX INTO THE CITY, THEY GIVE IT A THEY ASK FOR INITIAL ZONING OF R1, BUT BASICALLY IT COULD BE MEANINGLESS BECAUSE THEY COULD DEVELOP TO THIS STANDARD. IT'S COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS, COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT. SO ALL THE NEIGHBORS GO. THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN MY MIND. IF THEY WERE GOING TO ANNEX WITH THE IDEA, THIS IS A SEPARATE ZONE, WE'RE GOING TO ZONE IT THIS WAY. THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN MY MIND. RIGHT. AND THEN LONG TERM QUESTION, MR. SANNER. OH, MAYBE IN LIAISON YOU COULD ANSWER THIS. I WONDER HOW THIS COMPARES TO LEVITTOWN RIGHT AFTER WORLD WAR TWO. YEAH.

THERE WAS A HOUSING SHORTAGE AND THEY BUILT VERY SIMILAR HOUSES, IF NOT IDENTICAL ONES NEXT TO EACH OTHER. HOW BIG OF A PROJECT WAS THAT? I MEAN, HOW MANY? YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE AND LOOK AT THE AERIAL. THIS WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE IF WE'RE ADDRESSING A SIMILAR SITUATION, A TIGHT HOUSING IN THE STATE OF IDAHO AND THEIR STATES LOOKING FOR A STATE SOLUTION RATHER THAN AN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER. BUT AND HOW DID LEVITTOWN TURN OUT? DOES THAT? THAT'S MY LONG TERM QUESTION. NOT FOR ONE COUNCIL MEMBER. FRANCIS, I'M GLAD YOU KNOW OF LEVITTOWN BECAUSE I LEARNED ABOUT THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE A SIMILAR SORT OF OR WHATEVER IT WAS IN NEW YORK, ON LONG ISLAND. YEAH. IT'S OUTSIDE OF NEW YORK. AND IT'S IT WAS THE FIRST MASS PRODUCED HOUSING FOR THE BABY BOOM AFTER AFTER

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THEY CAN'T. NOW, AN HOA CAN'T STOP A SUBDIVISION THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FROM BEING APPROVED. AND SO WHAT'S THEIR LEGAL RECOURSE? WELL. SORRY. NO THAT'S OKAY. SO WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, A PLAT CAN GET RECORDED. AN HOA CAN'T DO ANYTHING. BUT THEN IF THERE'S COVENANTS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOW BEING ALLOWED BY STATE STATUTE, BUT AN HOA UNDER AN EXISTING PROPERTIES, YOU OWN THE LOT. YOU KNOW WHAT THE COVENANTS ARE. YOU SIGNED IT WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT. CAN THEY CAN THAT HOA STILL HAVE STANDING? THAT'S MY QUESTION. YOU'RE REALLY. YES. YEAH. TO ENFORCE THOSE COVENANTS. YEAH.

YEAH. I THINK THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO STILL. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WE COULDN'T SAY THOSE COVENANTS ARE NULL AND VOID BECAUSE YEAH IT'S AN HOA. YOU CAN YOU CAN COME AND DO THINGS THAT YOU COULDN'T REQUIRE AS A MATTER OF LAW. AND SO I THINK YOU COULD STILL. YEAH. THAT'S INTERESTING. THAT IS INTERESTING. I WONDER WHICH GETS BACK TO THE REDLINING.

IT'S THIS IS SUCH A COMPLEX CONVERSATION. SO CAN'T GO ONE BACK. SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE. AND IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION ON ACCESS, BUT FOR LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY IN THEORY, LIKE, OKAY, THIS PERSON THAT HAS THE, THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF HOMES THERE, IF THEY BOUGHT THE ONE TO THE NORTH, NOW THEY HAVE TWO PROPERTIES. COULD THEY BUILD A HORSE SHOE DRIVE THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THEIR TWO POINTS OF ACCESS OFF OF HOMES? AND THEN AND THEN THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THEIR THE NEED OR THE REQUIREMENT TO DO A CUL DE SAC AT 150FT, BECAUSE THEY COULD JUST HAVE A HORSE SHOE THAT WOULD GO CLEARLY ALMOST TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND GIVE THEM THE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. SO IN THIS SITUATION, NO, THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN IS STILL GOING TO APPLY. AND BECAUSE HOMES IS AN ARTERIAL, YOU WOULD 660FT BETWEEN ACCESS POINTS. SO EVEN THOUGH TODAY EACH ONE OF THOSE LOTS HAVE HAS RIGHTS TO AN ACCESS TO HOMES. CORRECT. IF A DEVELOPER WERE TO COME IN AND TRY TO PLAT SOMETHING, THEY'RE NOW SUBJECT TO THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. CORRECT? OKAY. THANK YOU. THEY'RE INCREASING THE INTENSITY OF THE LAND USE THERE. YEAH, I LIKE IT. AND IT'S ONLY 400FT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT ROOM THERE TO GET 660. SO THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER WAY TO MAKE THAT FUNCTION AND WORK. WE'VE HAD LOTS OF HEARINGS ABOUT THAT AREA OVER THE YEARS. I I'LL BE HONEST, I'M ACTUALLY MORE COMFORTABLE AFTER THIS DISCUSSION WITH THIS STATE LEGISLATION THAN I WAS BEFORE. OKAY. EVERY TIME I TALK ABOUT IT, I GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE. BASED ON WHAT, BASED ON WHAT YOU SHARED. LIKE THIS ACTUALLY RESOLVES A LOT OF

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YEAH. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TWO STORY OR THREE STORY AND ABOVE IN A ZONE THAT ONLY ALLOWS TWO STORY. THE OTHER TWO THINGS THAT THE STATUTE DOESN'T ADDRESS IS DENSITY AND LOT COVERAGE. AND IF YOU IF WE DON'T MAKE CHANGES TO THOSE TWO THINGS, IT MAKES THE STATUTE SOMEWHAT NONFUNCTIONAL IN THOSE ZONES, RIGHT? IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT AN R-1 ZONE WHERE YOU HAVE FOUR ACRES, YOU WANT TO DO A STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION, LOTS THAT ARE 1500FT■S, BUT YOUR DENSITY CAP IS SIX UNITS PER ACRE. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. I MEAN, YOU CAN DO FOUR LOTS OF 1500, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO HAVE TO TAKE UP THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. SO THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT ALL OF OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENT THOUGH, BECAUSE THAT PERCENTAGE OF LOT REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE HAS TO GO AWAY. BASICALLY. IT DOES NOT OR IT DOESN'T. THE STATUTE DOESN'T SAY WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING REGARDING DENSITY OR LOT COVERAGE. SO WE DO HAVE TO ALLOW THESE IN EVERY SINGLE ZONE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE DENSITY OR THE LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO. IT STILL HAS TO HAVE THE PERCENTAGE SAYING THAT'S ANOTHER PROTECTION. OKAY, THAT'S ANOTHER PROTECTION FOR NOW. I THINK THAT IF WE GO THAT WAY, THE LEGISLATURE WILL. AND THE ORIGINAL BILL, THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THIS BILL INCLUDED A 12 UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY ALLOWANCE. I THINK IF MORE CITIES DO THIS, DON'T ADDRESS IT. YOU'LL SEE THE LEGISLATURE COME BACK AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION FOR SURE.

YEAH, THE SAME THOUGH, WITH LOT COVERAGE. I MEAN, IF YOU THINK THOSE LOTS ARE ALREADY REALLY SMALL, BUT THEN WE SAY YOU CAN ONLY COVER, I MEAN, YOU CAN ONLY BUILD A 660 SQUARE FOOT HOME ANYWAY ON THAT LOT. BUT NOW WE SAY YOU CAN ONLY COVER 40% OF THAT LOT WITH A HOUSE.

THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE GETS MUCH SMALLER. AND DOES IT PROBABLY MAKE AS MUCH SENSE? OKAY, WHAT SIZE DOES THAT GET TO? 300FT■!S. YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE IN THE 400 ROUND, BUT YEAH, BUT YOU COULDN'T DO THE 600. SO. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THE DENSITY IN THE LOT COVERAGE PROVIDES SOME ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS OR JUST IT MAKES IMPLEMENTATION NOT NOT GREAT OVERALL. SO HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE HAVE. WE WOULD NEED TO ADJUST THE CODE IN ORDER TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE BILL. NOT NECESSARILY THE I MEAN, WE THINK WE CAN ADOPT A BILL, AS IT SAYS, AND BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW, BUT YOU WON'T REALLY BE MEETING THE INTENT OF TRYING TO HAVE ATTAINABILITY IN ALL ZONES. SO THE DENSITY DOES NOT WORK IN RESIDENTIAL ESTATE, RESIDENTIAL PARK OR R-1 ZONES. SO, SO WILL THE THE FACT THAT THE STATE HAS ALREADY, WITH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES THAT THEY PUT IN A PLACE, DOESN'T IT JUST MAKE OUR DENSITIES FOR THOSE ZONES SOMEWHAT NULL AND VOID? NO, THE DENSITY WOULD STILL APPLY. THE DENSITY WOULD STILL APPLY. THE DEVELOPER WOULD STILL HAVE TO PRODUCE A PRODUCT THAT MET THE DENSITY. NOW AGAIN, I THINK WE DO THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND THAT DEVELOPER IS GOING TO GO TALK TO THE STATE.

YEAH, OKAY. THE DENSITY THAT WE SEE IN THE R AND R, P AND R ONE WAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED IN OUR OPTICOS ANALYSIS AS A BARRIER TO MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AS IT'S SET. AND THAT WAS ON OUR LIST OF THINGS TO LOOK AT AND TRY TO ADDRESS. LOT COVERAGE ALSO IS A PROBLEM FOR TRYING TO MAKE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION FUNCTIONAL IN THE REP, R1TN AND RMH. PARKING, THOUGH, IS A BIGGER ISSUE AND IT'S AN ISSUE IN EVERY SINGLE ZONE. AND FOR THESE REASONS, WE REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT. SO SMALL LOT SIZE. TRYING TO GET TWO PARKING SPACES. YOU SAW IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXAMPLE. ONE WAS WHAT YOU GOT. THERE'S A IF WE DO REAR LOADED AND YOU HAVE SOME ON STREET PARKING, WE MAYBE COULD LOOK AT COUNTING ON STREET PARKING LIKE WE DO WITH COMMERCIAL. OR YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME MECHANISM OF ALLOWING TANDEM PARKING, WHICH WE

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THIS STILL WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR PARKING STANDARDS. SO CONSTRUCTING THE SAN ANTONIO ONE IS JUST A NONSTARTER. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T LEGALLY DO THAT. EVEN IF WE WERE TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MODIFY ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS TO ALLOW THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT VEHICLES BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK. I MEAN, THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IN LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS. WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO CREATE THAT SITUATION. AND THEN THAT SAME SPACING REQUIREMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST TEN FEET OF SPACING BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS. AND THEN YOU HAVE, OF COURSE, THE 50% PROPERTY COVERAGE SPACING REQUIREMENT FOR FOR THAT. SO THESE ISSUES, IF NOT RESOLVED, MAKE STARTER HOME SUBDIVISIONS CHALLENGING IN A CITY LIKE WAY CHALLENGING. YEAH. WHICH I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL DEVELOPERS WHO'VE ALREADY CALLED OUR OFFICE AND WONDERING HOW WE'RE HANDLING IT. WHEN'S THIS GOING INTO EFFECT? WHAT ARE WE DOING? AND SO WHETHER THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STATE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON FOLKS RADAR. IT IS IT'S OUT THERE AND BEING LOOKED AT IS THIS CALLS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT ARE LOCAL OR NATIONALLY THAT ARE BECAUSE I WONDER IF THIS IS LEGISLATION THAT WAS ALREADY KIND OF DONE THROUGH ALEC AND OTHER STATES HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS AND HAS IT. OKAY. AND I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T SAY NATIONAL. THE DEVELOPERS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM ARE DEVELOPERS WHO ALREADY HAVE PROJECTS UNDERWAY. I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE LOCAL, SOME OF THEM ARE OUT OF STATE, BUT THEY'VE DONE STUFF WITH THIS. THEY'RE WORKING ON THINGS. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY JUST SHOWED UP BECAUSE THEY HEARD ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY MY TAKE. WE THINK THAT THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS. YOU AS A COUNCIL MIGHT THINK THERE ARE MORE. SO, WELL, UNLIKE SOME OTHER BODIES, WE ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO HAVE EXPERTS COME AND GIVE US THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND LOOK AT ALL ASPECTS. SO WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR OPTIONS. I WILL SAY OF THE THREE, I HAVE A FAVORITE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE YOUR FAVORITE EITHER. OPTION A IS JUST THAT WE ADOPT THE CODE AS THE STATE GAVE IT TO US. WE CAN DO THAT AND IT WILL MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT OF THE BILL, BUT IT WILL NOT MEET THE INTENT AND WE WON'T GET ANY OF THESE BILLS, WHICH MEANS WE WON'T HAVE THIS MISSING MIDDLE PRICE POINT THAT WE'RE CORRECT, CORRECT, CORRECT AND POTENTIAL AND AND POTENTIAL FOR CONVERSATION AT THE STATE.

CHANGE IT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADOPTED. YEAH, I'D SAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TO OPTION A, THOUGH IT'S THE EASIEST TO ADOPT RIGHT NOW AND GIVE EVERYONE TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO WHAT NEXT WOULD DO. NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE DO, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE BENEFIT TO A YEAH, IT IS.

OPTION B IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE LOOK AT MAKING IT FUNCTIONAL IN ALL ZONES. NOW THAT MIGHT NOT MEAN THE SAME THING FOR EVERY ZONE. YEAH. BUT IT DOES MEAN WE NEED TO COME UP WITH AN OVERALL PLAN THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT TO FUNCTION AND WORK IN DOING THAT, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ADOPTED UNTIL FEBRUARY, ALTHOUGH IT'S STILL A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE, WE DO THINK THERE WOULD BE TIME THAT WE COULD WORK AND PUT SOME SORT OF ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOGETHER. WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE YOU, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, ENGINEERS AND DEVELOPERS, SOMEONE FROM PUBLIC WORKS, SOME EXPERTS IN THAT, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THOSE SPECIFIC TOPICS OF DENSITY, LOC COVERAGE, PARKING, AND THEN POTENTIALLY SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS. WE WOULD KEEP IT VERY MUCH TO THESE TOPICS, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A HOST CELL GUIDANCE ON OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OR REWRITE THE ZONING CODE AS A WHOLE. WHAT SHOULD THE DENSITY BE IN A STARTER HOME SUBDIVISION? WHAT'S A LOT

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BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE GOAL OF THIS PARTICULAR STATE STATUTE IS NOT WAY OFF IN TERMS OF WORKING TOWARDS A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THE STATE OF IDAHO AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE TAKE THE TIME OR AT LEAST GIVE IT A SHOT FOR C TO LET THAT ANALYTICAL COMMITTEE LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE SET FOR IT.

YEAH. CAN YOU SHOW US? THAT'S WHAT I WANT. AND YEAH, IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS THERE, SET THAT COMMITTEE UP WITH THE TASK OF HELPING DEVELOPERS SEE WHAT COULD BE THAT ACHIEVES THE SAME GOAL AS THIS, BECAUSE YOU GOT THE FIRST WORD THERE, ADOPT IT. WE ARE STUCK WITH THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT IT TILL JANUARY 31ST. AND THAT WAY THAT COMMITTEE MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS BE OKAY. BUT AT LEAST THEY'D LOOK AT THE WHOLE ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO ENCOURAGE THIS KIND OF HOUSING THAT WOULD GIVE A BETTER LOOK TO IDAHO FALLS THAN MAPS THAT WE SAW IN SAN ANTONIO. THAT DOESN'T I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT IMPRESSED WITH THAT LOOK. BUT, JIM, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT TIME FRAME THOUGH? OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. YEAH. I SAY MAKE IT WORK. AND AND THE REASON THAT I SAY THAT IS YEAH, IT'S GOING TO IT'S NOT EASY. BUT IF WE GET DOWN THAT ROAD AND WE'RE AT THE END OF OCTOBER AND WE GO, OH, WE JUST, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS. WE GOT TO FALL BACK FOR BE BECAUSE THAT SAME COMMITTEE MAKEUP IS THE SAME COMMITTEE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I THINK IT HAS ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE. I WOULDN'T TAKE ANYONE OFF, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE WHO'S ADVOCATING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THAT. WHO WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ME AT STRONG TOWNS, IDAHO FALLS OR OR THE CLUBBING OR, YOU KNOW, DON'T YOU THINK THAT WE NEED EXPERTS IN UNDERSTANDING THE LAW AND HOW PLANNING AND BUILDING WORKS? AND THE STRONG TOWN GENTLEMAN WHO I THINK IS JUST I THINK HE'S SO WELL INTENTIONED AND HE'S I DON'T KNOW HIM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HIM EITHER. I DON'T KNOW HIM. AND SO WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME BACKGROUND PERHAPS ON THESE INDIVIDUALS. BUT I THINK THAT COMING IN FROM AN EMOTIONAL STANDPOINT OF JUST SEEKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT GOING TO BE HELPFUL. I THINK THIS GROUP IS DEVELOPED TO BE NOT IN MY BACKYARD. AND I THINK WE NEED SOME YES, IN MY BACKYARD. SO AND THE REASON WE PUT THIS GROUP TOGETHER IS BECAUSE OF THE TOPICS. WE'RE VERY TECHNICAL. I MEAN, DENSITY, LOCK COVERAGE, PARKING, THEIR TECHNICAL THINGS. THERE ISN'T REALLY AN OPTION FOR NOT IN MY BACKYARD. IT'S ALLOWED EVERYWHERE AND IT HAS TO HAPPEN PER THE STATE STATUTE. AND SO NORMALLY WHERE WE WOULD INCLUDE SOME OTHER INTEREST GROUPS OR PRIVATE CITIZENS, WE DIDN'T HERE JUST BECAUSE THE TOPICS WERE VERY TECHNICAL IN NATURE. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO INCLUDE THOSE, WE COULD. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS HIGHLY. I JUST THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING I SAW THAT WAS MISSING. YEAH, WE STARTED THERE AS WELL. BUT AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE TOPIC, WE WERE LIKE, WELL, WE WERE LOOKING WELL. WE NEED REALLY THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO BE LIKE, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THE PEOPLE I MENTIONED WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS THE SOLUTION THEY WOULD WANT. SURE. I'M NOT SURE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THEY SEE MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO BUILD HOUSING, RIGHT? JUST STAND ALONE. YEAH. TINY HOUSES AREN'T NECESSARILY EFFICIENT. THAT'S

[01:50:05]

YEAH. WITH NO, WITH NO AMENITY AND NO GUARANTEED GREEN SPACE. IT'S LIKE NOTHING ABOUT THIS IS PLANNED. IT'S JUST BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD WIDTHS, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW THE BIGGEST THING TOWARDS MAKES PEOPLE APPLY FOR A PB. IF THERE WAS ANY COMMON SPACE OR OPEN SPACE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A STORM POND, RIGHT? YEAH. AND EVEN THEN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DESIGNED SUCH THAT IT JUST IS THERE TO RETAIN WATER. I MEAN, ONE THING THAT COMES TO IT'S NOT JUST ONE THING THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME. WE DON'T LIKE THOSE. HOW HOW IS THIS? ONE THING THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME IS PALACES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I'M TALKING. LIKE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS KIND OF DENSITY, WHERE CAN YOU GET OUT OF THAT SMALL HOUSE AND BE TOGETHER WITH OTHER PEOPLE? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THIS IS. THIS IS NOWHERE.

SEE, THAT'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT SEE IS IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, IT'S TRYING TO OFFER DEVELOPERS SOME OTHER OPTIONS. THEY'LL GET YOU TO A SIMILAR GOAL AND FIT MORE WITH OUR PLAN FOR THE CITY.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO WORK THAT OUT, BUT A AND B ARE NOT AS CREATIVE OR AS ANALYTICAL AS YOU ALL KNOW ME. I'M GOING TO BE FOR ANALYSIS FIRST AND THEN MAKE A DECISION, BECAUSE IF I HAVE MORE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME, I TEND TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION.

THAT'S MY VIEW AND SEES THE ONE THAT GIVES ME THE MOST INFORMATION AND THE BEST WAY TO SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE TO ADOPT THIS. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. BUT DEVELOPERS LOOK AT WHAT YOU COULD DO TO GET TO THE SAME KIND OF POINT ON SMALLER PARCELS THAN FOUR ACRES, BECAUSE THAT CONCENTRATES THIS SO HEAVILY IN ONE SPACE. AND IT'S SUCH A SURPRISE TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, NEIGHBORHOODS. WHEREAS IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GET THE SAME THING IF YOU DID THIS IN THIS PARCEL AND THIS AND BROKE IT UP SOMEWHAT, IT'LL GIVE A BETTER LOOK TO THE CITY, IN MY VIEW, AND GET TO THE SIMILAR GOAL. SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO SEE IF WE GET DOWN THAT ROAD AND THAT GROUP SAYS, OH, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO THIS. AND WE GOT THE BEES BACK UP. AND CAITLIN HAS ALREADY BASICALLY PUT TOGETHER OPTION A, LIKE IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE BARRIERS WERE OR WERE NOT, WE HAD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CHANGES TO THE CODE WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN. SO WE DO HAVE OPTION A PRETTY WELL DRAFTED OUT. AND I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING OPTION. IF WE GET DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'RE JUST NOT MAKING AS MUCH PROGRESS AS QUICKLY AS WE THINK, WE CAN ALWAYS PULL THE CORD ON OPTION A AND GET THAT IN. SO WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE, AND THEN FOLLOW UP WITH THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS LATER. I ALSO LIKE TO GO BACK TO YOUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE LIST. YEAH, I LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT OPTION C AND THAT OPTION COMBINED IN THAT WE CAN THEN MAYBE SEE WHAT SOME OTHER CITIES END UP DOING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY SOLUTIONS THAT COME OUT OF THE FACTORIES OF IDEAS. SO FAR, I THINK WE'RE POCATELLO AND US ARE SORT OF LEADING LIKE CAITLIN HAS BEEN. CAITLIN HAS BEEN AT NAUSEUM WATCHING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND LOOKING AT MEETING NOTES AND NOT FINDING ANYTHING ANYWHERE IN THE STATE IS DOOMING BOISE BESIDES POCATELLO, ISN'T THIS THE ONE THE ALMOND SAID THEY WOULD WAIT AND SEE WHAT IDAHO FALLS DOES. EVAN SAID. LOOK AT WHAT FALLS THERE. COUNCIL WANTED TO TRY TO, I THINK IN A WAY, ALSO BE IN SYNC FOR DEVELOPMENT JUST IN THE REGION. LET'S TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN JUST HAVE A BIGGER STAFF.

THAT MAKES SOME SENSE FOR THAT. BUT WHAT ABOUT BOISE, EVEN BOISE? I THINK SOME OF THAT COULD BE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY SET UP A LITTLE BIT FOR THIS. OH, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE SOME OF THIS WORK, RIGHT. OKAY. AND SOME OF THE OTHER MERIDIAN, SOME OF THOSE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE NOT SEEING TOWNHOMES LIKE WE SEE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO HOLD ON TO SINGLE UNIT DETACHED AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE. AND WHICH IS THE REASON SOME OF THIS LEGISLATION IS HAPPENING. AND SO THEY'RE PROBABLY EVEN BEHIND WHERE WE ARE. BUT JUST BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY BEEN AHEAD OF TRYING TO LOOK AT HOUSING, SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE IT SEEMS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT I THINK THE LEGISLATURE YOU

[01:55:04]

THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK THIS IS MEANINGFUL ENOUGH THAT I THINK THOSE PA, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THEY'LL BE ANXIOUS TO PARTICIPATE IN. OKAY. AND I WOULD JUST TO ECHO THAT POINT, COUNCILOR FREEMAN, WE INTERVIEW BECAUSE CARRIE AND I INTERVIEW ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, AND WE SEND THEM OFF TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. A LOT OF THEM WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN CODE CHANGE, AND THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING THAT SHAPES THE COMMUNITY. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN EXPERTISE, THEY HAVE AN INTEREST AND A PASSION IN THAT REALM. IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO ALSO LOOKING AT OPTION C TO ALSO SAY WHERE IN THE CITY WE WOULD WANT, WE WOULD LIKE SAY, THIS IS A GOOD SPOT NOW FOR SURE. I THINK, AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT POCATELLO IS DOING TOO, WITH THEIR TWO ACRE. I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHERE IF WE DID CREATE ANOTHER VERSION OF IT, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT LIKE, WHAT IS, WHERE ARE WE WANTING IT AND WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THOSE AVAILABLE LANDS? AND SO WE, A PERFECT EXAMPLE, LIKE PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO BLACKFEATHER, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY RIGHT THERE. AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING. AND I AGREE WITH LIKE, WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT PARKING AND I LOOK AT THE MAP OF WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TO REDUCE PARKING. IF YOU'RE IN AN AREA OF TOWN THAT IS NEAR SERVICES AND EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, AND IT'S LIVABLE AND WALKABLE, BUT THESE ARE ALL ON THE OUTSKIRTS. AND SO THEN I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH REDUCING PARKING, BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CAR TO GET SOMEWHERE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES, IN PLACES LIKE IDAHO FALLS, GIFT IS AMAZING. AND WE'RE WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM TO HELP NOT HAVE A CODE. RIGHT. CAN I GET A COPY OF YOUR DECK? YES. YEAH, I'D LIKE ONE OF THEM. WELL, WE HAVE IT SAVED IN THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION. OH, IS IT IS IT PART OF OUR WORK PACKET OR. IT WAS IN THERE. BUT WE PUT IT IN THE PRESENTATION.

BUT WE COULD. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU, LINDA. SO YEAH, WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE. THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON OPTION TODAY OR HOW DO WE HOW DO YOU WANT TO GO ABOUT IT? IT WOULD BE NICE FOR THEM TO GET GOING ON IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST. IF WE COULD GET A DIRECTION, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO MOVE RATHER QUICKLY ON THIS AND WE'D LIKE TO GET WORKING ON IT. SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SEE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN B AND C, AND THEN USING A AS A BACKUP IF IT GETS SLOWED, ISN'T THAT THE DIRECTION WE'RE TAKING EITHER? YEAH. I THINK THE IDEA FOR ME IS OKAY, STATE YOU'VE GOT A GOOD GOAL. DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE DEMANDS HERE AND THE WAY IT COULD LOOK.

AND PARTICULARLY FOUR ACRES IS A BIG PARCEL OF LAND TO PACK ALL THAT INTO. SO LET'S GIVE DEVELOPERS SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND LET THEM HELP DEVELOP THIS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE.

EARLIER, WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TIME WAS SOME DEVELOPERS DID COME IN AND SAY, WHAT CAN I DO WITH THIS? AND CDS HELPED THEM FIGURE OUT SOME OPTIONS. THEY CAN WORK ON THEM. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN LIAISONS, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE GET IDEAS.

AND THAT'S WHAT C OFFERS ME. SO THAT'S MY START THERE. AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO BACK UP TO SOMETHING ELSE AT THE LAST MINUTE. OKAY, SO I THINK WE'LL PUT A AS OUR, AS OUR BACKUP PLAN. BUT IF WE WOULD JUST MIND GOING THROUGH AND THEN SAYING WHETHER YOU WANT, WHETHER YOU

[02:00:03]

AND THEN WE WORK TOWARDS A BETTER. AND EVEN IF WE GET INTO DECEMBER, WE CAN DO SOMETHING SO THAT IT'S NOT SUDDENLY. I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG HIT AS A BAIT AND SWITCH IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL. SO YEAH, BECAUSE ALL THE OPTIONS HAVE THE WORD ADOPT IN THEM. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO THERE WILL BE A LIMITATION THOUGH. ONCE YOU GET INTO THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEN YOU START HEARING WHAT THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU DO. BUT THE IDEA OF BRINGING IN AN R1 OR HAVING AN R1 RIGHT NOW THAT IS CHANGED IS JUST, YEAH. IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT TO, AGAIN, THAT THAT EVER PRESENT THING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND GETTING INFORMATION OUT QUICKLY TO. SO WE WHEN WE MET WITH THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, WE ALREADY TOLD THEM OF THIS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE. SO THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT. I KNOW THAT DEVELOPING COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF IT. WE'LL ALSO PUT IT OUT IN OUR NEWSLETTER ONCE WE GET. WE WANTED TO GET SOME LANGUAGE THERE TOO, SO THAT WE WERE COMMUNICATING CLEARLY AND NOT BEING AMBIGUOUS. SO THEY AREN'T THE ONES I'M WORRIED ABOUT EITHER. YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE RESIDENTS LIVING NEXT TO A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE. AND THAT WILL COME MOSTLY IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR HERE. THE ONLY THING I'M HEARING ABOUT IS PERMITTING REFORM AND JUST SPEAK, YOU KNOW, FAST TRACKING PERMITTING, SO THAT IF YOU SHOW THAT YOU THAT THERE'S SOME PROCESS THAT'S. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU COULD PUT ON THE AGENDA AROUND THIS COMMITTEE, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU COULD GET IT DOWN TO TWO ACRES, BUT YOU HAD A FAST TRACK PERMITTING, SOMEHOW THAT OPENS UP A LOT OF SPACE. THAT'S NOT ON THAT. AND REALLY THE CHALLENGE THERE IS THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, AND WE WOULD NEED THE STATE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE SUBDIVISION STATUTE IN ORDER TO REALLY MAKE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT TO THAT TIMELINE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER COMMITTEE COMMUNITY IS THE PERMITTING IS SO UNRELIABLE, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET HIT WITH THAT. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE RISK BECAUSE IT COST ME 10,000 MORE DOLLARS OR SOMETHING. AND THOSE WERE THE THINGS I WAS HOPING WOULD COME OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE WITH ALL OF THEIR COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WITH SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE PROCESS, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE JUST REALLY OUTDATED. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T SEE THAT. BUT IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. WE CAN ASK HIM TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING, SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT WE CAN GRAB. THANK YOU. THANKS. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. I, I DO THINK THAT.

OH, YOU'RE YOU'RE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY, I WAS I WAS ALREADY MOVING ON. ONE THING THAT I NOTICED JUST CAME OUT AS AN EMAIL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT HERE ARE THE CLAIMS PAID. STATE STATUTE AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE ERP. IT IS PRIOR TO CLAIMS BEING PAID IS THE STATE STATUTE. SO, I MEAN, I ALWAYS LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S CLAIMS PAID. I JUST LOOK AT THE NAMES, YOU KNOW, BUT NOW IT IS A PRIOR. SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE IF YOU HAPPEN TO LOOK THROUGH THAT LIST AND YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT CATCHES YOUR EYE, GO AHEAD AND CONTACT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THESE CLAIMS WILL BE PAID ON FRIDAY. SO IT ISN'T EARLY. IT'S A OPPOSITE OF HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. THESE THESE THESE ARE THE CLAIMS THAT ARE GOING TO ARE PART OF THE CHECK RUN FOR THIS WEEK BEFORE IT'S A LOOK BACK. STATE CODE IS ACTUALLY WANTING COUNCILS TO LOOK AT IT PRIOR. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A WAY TO GO BACK AND, AND ASK. BUT ANYWAY, NOW IT IS PRIOR. NEXT UP WE DO HAVE OUR SERVER

[Legal, Police]

[02:05:01]

AND SO INITIALLY IT'LL BE THREE BEFORE NOVEMBER 15TH. AND THEN THEN FROM THERE ON OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR EACH YEAR STARTING JANUARY 1ST, 2027, FOR EACH YEAR FOR FREE TRAININGS, THIS WILL BE IN ADDITION TO THEY CAN ALSO, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO A FREE TRAINING FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY CAN ALSO, THERE WILL BE APPROVED COURSES THAT THEY CAN TAKE ONLINE THAT ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE THROUGH OTHER VENDORS. AND IT'S THE SAME THING THAT BOISE DOES, BOISE THAT WE'VE KIND OF MODELED THIS, THIS STATUTE OR THIS ORDINANCE AFTER THEY HAVE BOTH FREE TRAININGS AS WELL AS APPROVED COURSES YOU CAN TAKE ONLINE. TO GIVE MORE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO BE READY FOR THIS CHANGE. WE MOVED IT TO SO THAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE FOR WHEN YOU NEED TO HAVE ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING MOVED TO NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 15TH PREVIOUSLY WAS OCTOBER 1ST, SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR MOVING THAT DATE. THE PLAN IS TO BRING THIS, YOU KNOW, TO INCORPORATE ANY FURTHER FEEDBACK WE GET HERE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS ON ON THIS SUBJECT.

AND THEN TO ALLOW SOME TIME TO PERCOLATE AND THEN BRING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL ON AUGUST

[02:10:02]

I GUESS WE DON'T SAY WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE IN PERSON OR NOT. YEAH. SO, SO SO THE ORDINANCE, THE WAY IT WORKS IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN DESIGNATE WHAT COUNTS AS AN APPROVED SERVER TRAINING, RIGHT. WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MY UNDERSTANDING IS APD IS GOING TO SAY, HERE ARE SOME ONLINE ONLINE ONES YOU CAN TAKE ANYTIME IN ADDITION TO THOSE ONES, WHICH WILL COST YOU TO GO THROUGH A THIRD PARTY VENDOR. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU CAN DO ONE IN PERSON AND WE'LL PROVIDE THOSE FREE OF CHARGE. AND HERE, AND I LIKE BOTH THINGS, AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO GO TO THE FREE ONES. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND YOUR OWN OWN. SO I LIKE THAT. I JUST THINK THAT DID COME UP. IT'S JUST JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT CAME UP. AND AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DISTRIBUTORS ALSO DO SOME KIND OF TRAINING SERVER TRAINING? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD BY ONE OF THE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENTS, IS THAT THEY SEND THEIR SERVERS TO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WATKINS OR ONE OF THEIR DISTRIBUTORS, AND THEY DO A SERVER TRAINING. THEY'RE ALREADY. HAS THIS BEEN EVER BEEN BROUGHT UP? OKAY, I WOULDN'T HAVE I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. YEAH. SO WE GOTTA FIND A WAY TO CONNECT THE DISTRIBUTORS. AND I NEED TO SEE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE OFFERING THIS SERVER TRAINING, I THINK IT PROBABLY BEHOOVE US TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHEN THAT IS. AND IF IT DOES MEET OUR MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS. YEAH, YOU'VE HEARD THAT TOO, FRANCIS. I'VE ONLY HEARD IT FROM YOU. OKAY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WATKINS DOES IT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WATKINS. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE LOCAL BAR OWNERS THAT SAID THAT, YEAH, WE CAN HAVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOK INTO THAT. IF IT MEETS OUR CRITERIA. WHY NOT. RIGHT. YEAH. JUST ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME TO MY MIND AFTER READING THROUGH IT WAS HOW AND WHERE AND LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO BE REALLY OPEN ABOUT BECAUSE THE BARS AND THE RESTAURANTS ARE GOING TO KEEP TRACK OF THESE TRAINING NOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT INTO THE CLERK'S HANDS. SO ARE WE GOING TO GIVE MORE DIRECTION ON HOW THAT SHOULD LOOK AND WHERE THEY SHOULD KEEP IT? YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE THESE KIND OF THINGS, YOU SAY, HEY, IT HAS TO BE IN A BINDER OR IT HAS TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE. YEAH. IS IT A CERTIFICATE THAT'S PRINTED FROM THIS, THESE APPROVED COURSES? I JUST THINK THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD AFTER I READ IT. JUST SO YOU AND I HAVE FIVE WEEKS TO SHOW THEIR THEIR STUFF. YEAH. THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW IT. RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT NOT FIVE WEEKS. IT'S FIVE, FOUR DAYS, FOUR DAYS, 0.4 WEEKS. YEAH. THAT'S LIKE HAVE TO PRODUCE THAT COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, THEY ALSO DIDN'T ISN'T THE CHANGE TO THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT ON YOU, BUT IT HAS TO BE. RIGHT. CORRECT. I LIKE THAT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THE FOUR DAYS DOES. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT CERTIFICATE WITHIN FOUR DAYS.

EXACTLY. RIGHT. HONESTLY, THAT WAS IF THE OFFICER WALKED IN AND SAID PERSON COULD SAY, I'M NOT CERTIFIED, BUT I WILL BE IN FOUR DAYS, THEY COULD SIGN UP AND GET CERTIFIED AND THEY'D BE PERFECTLY GOOD. SO THAT'S WHY, JOHN, IT'S NOT REALLY ADDRESSED OF LIKE, IS IT KEPT IN A BINDER OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE'VE REMOVED THAT. YEAH. AND NOW IT'S JUST IF YOU ARE ASKED BY THE APPROPRIATE MEMBER TO, TO, TO SHOW AND VERIFY YOU HAVE FOUR DAYS. SO WHETHER THAT'S YOUR CERTIFICATE SITTING AT HOME, WHETHER IT'S SITTING IN A BINDER, HOW MUCH INSURANCE IS TREATED WHEN YOU GET PULLED OVER. SO, SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, RIGHT. AND, BUT YOU STILL NEED TO HAVE IT. YOU JUST NEED TO, YOU COULDN'T GO AND JUST TAKE THE COURSE AND BE LIKE, OH, IT WAS GOOD. YOU GOT FOUR DAYS TO PRODUCE IT. PRODUCE IT. CORRECT. YEAH. AND I WANTED TO BE SURE THE PUBLIC RECORD SHOWS THIS IS FOR HOLDERS OF LICENSE AND THE PEOPLE WORKING FOR THEM. IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE CHARITABLE EVENT. IT DOES NOT APPLY TO CHARITABLE EVENTS. THAT WOULD BE UNDER DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE CONSOLIDATED CODE. IF WE CAN GET THAT PUT TOGETHER, IT WILL NOT CORRECT. THIS IS NOT FOR THEM. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HOLD A LICENSE AND EMPLOY PEOPLE. YEAH. AND I'LL POINT FOR THOSE LISTENING IN THE DEFINITIONS OF SOCIAL SECURITY, PERSON AND SERVER ALCOHOL EXPRESSLY EXCLUDES THE LAST SENTENCE OF EACH OF THOSE DEFINITIONS EXPRESSLY EXCLUDES PERSONS EMPLOYED SLOWLY AND SOLELY AT LOCATIONS WHERE ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED PURSUANT TO A CHARITABLE EVENT PERMIT. SO, AND I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE RECITALS OBVIOUSLY GO AWAY WHEN THE ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY PUT

[02:15:04]

AND ALSO INSTEAD OF THE 60 DAYS FOLLOWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOLIDAY PERIOD, THE 60 DAYS YOU COULD HIRE SOMEBODY DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED UNTIL JANUARY 15TH, ESSENTIALLY. SO THAT WAS ON PURPOSE TO TRY TO GET THIS TRANSITION GOING. OKAY, I'LL DO MY BEST. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ONE, WHEREAS CLAUSE THE ONE, THE ONE, WHEREAS CLAUSE THAT COUNCIL THAT MAKES ALL THE SENSE. YEAH. WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE? YEAH. WELL I'LL BRING THIS FORWARD ON AUGUST 27TH. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GOOD WITH THAT. AND WE'LL GO FORWARD. SO

[Mayor]

LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN WE CAN JUST GO AROUND WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS. WE ALREADY DID A LITTLE OF THAT, BUT YEAH, WE KIND OF, I THINK. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ANNOUNCE? COUNCILOR FREEMAN? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. JUST THE FACT THAT.

CONGRATULATE OUR STAFF ON RUNNING THE VIDEO AND HOW WELL IT WENT. YEAH, REALLY A GREAT EVENT. A LOT GOES INTO THAT. YEAH. DID YOU GET BEHIND THE SCENES AND SEE HOW THEY SET UP? I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER LEE PUT A BUG IN HIS EAR ABOUT COURSES NEXT YEAR. THAT'S RIGHT. HE SEEMS TO SMILE. HE COMMENTED. I THINK HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE NOT BE IN A BACK OF A TOYOTA PICKUP, BUT BE ON HORSES. AND PJ MADE A COMMENT TO ME. HE'S WORKING ON THAT. OH, OKAY, WE'RE RIDING HORSES. WE'RE RIDING HORSES. OKAY, BRING MY COWBOY BOOTS. ANYTHING ELSE? SO JUST THIS JUST CAME TO MIND. I SAW SOMETHING THIS WEEK. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE OUR. THE DIRECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY FOOD BASKET IS MOVING ON. ARIEL. YEAH. ARIEL IS IS MOVING TO BOISE. WE DO. WE KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE NEW DIRECTOR. JUST CURIOUS. MORE THAN ANYTHING I YEAH, THEY HAVE AN INTERIM DIRECTOR. SHE IS A DIRECTOR OF UTAH FOOD BANK AND JUST CAME AND TOOK A SPOT RIGHT BEFORE. AND SO THERE IS A THERE IS AN INTERIM DIRECTOR, BUT I DO KNOW SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. GOOD JOB. SHE'S PUT HER HEART AND SOUL INTO IT. AND IS SHE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR IN BOISE? NO, SHE'S GOING TO BE THE DIRECTOR OF SOMETHING ELSE CHARITABLE. IS THAT BASED IN THAT CHURCH IN PORTLAND PARK? IS THAT WHERE THEIR HOME BASE IS? WELL, THAT'S WHERE THEY THAT'S WHERE THEY PUT OUT FOOD BANK IS. YEAH.

[02:20:01]

IF WE HAVE TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENTS AND IT'S VERY THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL. SO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT EMAIL, BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO GET REIMBURSED FOR THINGS THAT YOU PAY FOR WHEN YOU TRAVEL, YOU'LL WANT THAT BECAUSE IN THIS NEW ENTERPRISE SYSTEMS THAT IS GOING TO BE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. NOW WE HAVE TO GO IN AND KIND OF REGISTER. YEAH.

REIMBURSEMENT STUFF IN ME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S IF YOU PAY FOR IT, NOT ON YOUR KEY CARD.

LIKELY THAT'S WHEN IT WILL MATTER. BUT I THINK YOU'LL YOU USE YOUR OWN. YOU CAN'T USE YOUR KEY CARD FOR GAS IN YOUR OWN CAR. THEY OWE ME FOR A COUPLE. TO BE HONEST, WE ARE. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE MAYOR, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT GOING TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM WITH PER DIEM, PER DIEM, AND SOME THINGS BECAUSE WE YEAH, OUR SYSTEM IS VERY EFFICIENT AND I JUST HAVE ONE LESS TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BE MORE PROACTIVE ON PREVENTING THE ILLEGAL USE OF FIREWORKS ON 4TH OF JULY. SO WE NEED TO IT'LL HAVE TO START NOW, BECAUSE IF WE WAIT TILL JUNE AND WAIT TILL I'M ALL EARS. YEAH, I GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS THIS YEAR. MORE THAN WE DID BEFORE. YEAH, YEAH. SO IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE A LOT MORE PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE REALLY BIG, BAD DEPARTMENTAL, THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR, NOSE, CHEEKS. WELL, THERE WAS ALSO A POSTING ONLINE SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE WAS SOMEONE SELLING SOME PRETTY INTENSE FIREWORKS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I GUESS THERE'S A FORM YOU CAN FILL OUT AND SIGN AND SAY, HEY, I'M NOT GOING TO LET THESE OFF HERE. I'M MOVING ACROSS THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY OWNED BUSINESS. AND APPARENTLY, YEAH, THAT WHEN YOU CHECK OUT, YOU, YOU SIGN THIS WAIVER SAYING, I WON'T LIGHT THEM OFF. RIGHT? OKAY. BUT THEY'RE BIG AERIALS. YEAH, YEAH. I WONDER IF THEY'LL BE MORE ENTHUSIASM FOR THAT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THE BIG THING WAS GONE. SO SMART. RIGHT. YEAH. IT COULD BE WORSE. WORSE THAN EVER. STARTING NOW RATHER THAN

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.