[Call to Order and Roll Call]
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          WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET SESSION. THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE ARE HOLDING. TUESDAY, JULY 21ST, 2026, AND WE CAN GET OUR CITY CLERK TO GIVE US A ROLL CALL TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE. 
          COUNSELOR RADFORD, PRESENT. COUNSELOR DINGMAN HERE, COUNSELOR FREEMAN HERE. 
          COUNSELOR LARSON HERE, COUNSELOR LEE HERE. THANK YOU. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM? THANK 
          [Mayor]
YOU. OKAY, SO I REALLY WILL ACTUALLY TRY TO SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES. SOMETIMES I THINK I THINK LIKE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR FROM ME. BUT I DO THINK IN THIS CASE, YOU STILL DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM ME. BUT I DO HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY AS I AS I BREAK THIS UP AS AS WE START THE BUDGET, I THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW THINGS THAT. SINCE THE ELECTION, SINCE ALL OF COUNCIL HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS ONCE BEFORE, EXCEPT COUNCIL MEMBER LEE. THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PUT OUT THERE. AND ONE IS, AS WE TALK ABOUT BUDGET, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE THIS SINGLE POINT OF TRUTH. THE BUDGET IS NOT CASH IN THE BANK. BUDGET IS WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN 18 MONTHS FROM NOW, 12 MONTHS FROM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO START WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN OCTOBER, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER. IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL THAT IF IT'S NOT TURNING OUT THAT WAY, THAT BUDGET IS NOT CASH IN THE BANK. 
          SO AS WE WATCH REVENUE, WHETHER THAT IS WHAT ACTUALLY COMES IN FROM THE COUNTY, WHAT WE ACTUALLY GET FROM THE STATE, WHAT WE GET IN FRANCHISE FEES, WHAT WE GET IN USER FEES, ALL OF THAT IS AFFECTING THAT'S OUR REVENUE. SO THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR EXPENDITURES. AND I THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT THE ERP SOFTWARE WILL REALLY HELP DIRECTORS TO SEE THAT. BUT THAT IS ONE POINT. THAT BUDGET IS JUST THAT. IT'S A GUESS. IT'S A GOOD GUESS. IT'S AN EDUCATED GUESS. BUT TRACKING REVENUE IN ALL, ALL OF ITS FORMS IS JUST GOING TO BE KEY TO MAKING SURE THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO EACH OTHER FOR OUR BUDGET, THAT THAT IT ISN'T SOMEBODY ELSE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO COVER WHAT WAS. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY MISHANDLED. IT'S NOT MISHANDLED. THERE ARE SOME THAT. EMERGENCIES HAPPEN FOR SURE. SO WE CAN WE CAN MANAGE EMERGENCIES, BUT THERE HAS TO BE AN ACCOUNTABILITY THAT THAT MOVES FORWARD IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. SO NEXT YEAR WE SAY, OH YEAH, WE PLANNED FOR THAT. 
          WE LOOKED AT THAT. WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING. SO I WANT TO LAY THAT KIND OF ON THE TABLE. AND I DID FORGET I BROUGHT I HAD 12 COPIES, NOT OF THE EXACT BINDER, BUT OF ALL OF THESE MADE. AND I WILL I KNOW CARLA IS LISTENING. SHE SAID SHE WAS. I'M THEY'RE THEY'RE SITTING OVER IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE, BUT I. NO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO THERE. BUT THAT IS REALLY NICE OF YOU. I CAN GO, WE'LL I'LL GO GET THEM. I WILL HAVE SOME. THERE SHE IS. THANK YOU. JASMINE. I WALKED OUT THE DOOR. I TOLD CARLA, WISH ME GOOD LUCK. THESE ARE FOR EVERYONE AT THE TABLE WHO ISN'T A COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ALREADY HAVE THEIRS. SO I WANTED TO 
          [Mayor & Council ]
JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF. A PREFACE TO HOW TO START THIS. SO EVEN PRIOR TO MY TIME, THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS CREATED AND, AND THEN COUNCIL HAS TAKEN THE ASPIRATIONS. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE ASPIRATIONS OF A HEALTHY COMMUNITY, ECONOMIC VIBRANCY, PARTNERSHIPS AND RELATIONSHIPS, GOOD GOVERNANCE, FINANCIAL STABILITY, PLANNING FOR TOMORROW, RESOURCE STEWARDSHIP AND SAFETY. THOSE ARE IN THE ASPIRATION PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WHEN WHEN THEY 
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ARE BROKEN OUT THERE, THERE IS A LOT TO THOSE. AND I WOULD SAY THAT IS THE WORK OF THE DAY THAT THE CITY DOES EVERY DAY. THERE IS SOMETHING IN THOSE ASPIRATIONS THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT IS DOING, AND I KNOW THAT THAT IS THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. EVEN EVEN ECONOMIC VIBRANCY, THEY'RE THEY COMMINGLE, THEY COEXIST. AND THIS IS THE WORK OF THE DAY THAT THE DIRECTORS AND FRANKLY, ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES IN THE IN THE CITY DO. AND THEN SO SO WE HAVE THOSE. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE WHAT COUNCIL HAS DETERMINED IS THEIR. 2627 PRIORITY. BUT I HAVE FELT LIKE SINCE THE TIME THAT COUNCIL DID THOSE PRIORITIES, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THEM IN FEBRUARY. THEY WOULD REALLY BE 20. THEY WERE 25, 26 BUDGET ITEMS. THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION THE NEXT FEBRUARY. IT JUST IT PUT US IN A REALLY ODD SITUATION BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A WAY TO MARK OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. WE WERE WE WERE ALWAYS RUNNING BEHIND. AND I FEEL LIKE MANY OF OUR PRIORITIES FOR THIS YEAR WERE ALSO LAST YEAR'S PRIORITIES FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE WE WERE MIDWAY THROUGH A BUDGET, A PLANNING SESSION, AND WE HERE WE WERE AGAIN PLANNING FOR THE NEXT YEAR. AND SO WHAT I HAVE DONE IS I'VE TAKEN THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES, AND I HAVE INCLUDED A STATUS UPDATE. THESE ARE THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES FOR 2627. 
          THEY ARE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW THAT THERE IS GROUNDWORK BEING LAID TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR, SO THAT WHEN WE START TO HAVE NEW CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EXPECTATIONS AND COUNCIL PRIORITIES, THAT WE'RE NOT JUST PLOWING THE SAME GROUND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THAT HERE'S THE GROUNDWORK, HERE'S HOW WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. AND I HAVE I HAVE IDENTIFIED, I THINK, FIVE THAT I THINK ARE VERY VISUAL. THEY THEY'RE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET. AND THEN THERE'S SOME THAT I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AS MAYBE PLACES WHERE WE CAN ADD SOME CLARITY OR SOME ROOM TO GROW THAT WE THOUGHT, OH, WE THOUGHT WE WERE KIND OF CLEAR ON THIS, BUT MAYBE NOT AS, AS IT'S BEEN, THE GROUNDWORK HAS BEEN LAID. I WOULD SAY ONE OF THEM IS ACTUALLY IN OUR CIP, AND IT'S THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, OUR PARK CIP IS IS REALLY AGGRESSIVE. IT'S BECAUSE WE AS WE HAVE MOVED PILOT INTO A POWER KIND OF REALM OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ALONG THE GREENBELT, I THINK IT'S VERY VISUAL. THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO SEE SOME BIG CHANGES. AND SO I WANT TO I WANT TO BRING THAT ONE TO THE FOREFRONT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS DIRECTORS START HAVING CONVERSATIONS, AS COUNCIL STARTS HAVING CONVERSATION, TO MAKE SURE, YES, WE ARE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THIS OUT THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THIS WAS JUST ASPIRATIONAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE IN THIS CASE, THE DOLLARS ARE IN THE BANK FOR CIP. SO THAT ONE, I THINK IS, IS VERY VISUAL. ANOTHER ONE THAT I HAVE IDENTIFIED AND I HIGHLIGHTED IT, HIGHLIGHT IT, I DON'T KNOW. AND COUNCILS AND IN ALL OF YOURS UNDER ASPIRATIONAL SAFETY, WE'VE HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT AS ONE OF OUR ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES. AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE SAW HAPPENING ON JEFFERSON STREET, I THINK THAT MAYBE WE MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. I KNOW I KIND OF MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT THAT WHAT THAT PROCESS WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I THINK CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WE'LL LET CHIEF KIND OF SPEAK TO THIS AS IT IS A PRIORITY. THAT BY THE TIME WE GET TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY ARE THERE. IRONICALLY, YES, THEY ARE THERE TO ENFORCE THE CODE, NOT TO EXPLAIN THE CODE, NOT TO DO THE CODE. THEY THEY MIGHT BE THERE AND AND CHIEF MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THAT. SO I WOULD WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A 
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CONVERSATION IN THE NEXT 20 MINUTES AROUND THAT PARTICULAR. ITEM THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME CLARITY ON THAT ONE. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT. WITH THE ERP LAUNCH, WHICH HAS REALLY BEEN A HEAVY LIFT, IT HAS BEEN A HEAVY LIFT. I TALKED TO IAN HAS A NIGHTMARE STORY FROM PUEBLO PUEBLO WHEN THEY LAUNCHED THEIR ERP. PAM HAS A NIGHTMARE STORY WHEN THEY LAUNCH THEIR ERP. I THINK WE'RE DOING REALLY RELATIVELY WELL WITH THE LAUNCH OF OUR ERP. IT HAS BEEN A VERY HEAVY LIFT. WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, THE WATERS WILL START SMOOTHING AND FINANCE MARK WILL NOT BE IN CHARGE OF THE CIP. AND SO THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY THERE TO REALLY START DOING MORE OF A YEAR ROUND KIND OF BUDGETING, NOT YEAR ROUND, IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE GETTING TOGETHER, BUT KIND OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW, HOW FINANCE WORKS, HOW HOW IS FINANCE PROACTIVE IN PUBLIC WORKS? HOW IS FINANCE PROACTIVE IN FIRE? SO, SO THERE WILL BE THAT KIND OF A CONVERSATION AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO POINT OUT A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE. IN, IN OUR PRIORITY LIST. I WANT COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL GOOD WITH THE PRIORITIES. IT'S REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET, BUT I DO THINK THOSE ARE THREE PLACES THAT WE WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON AS A COUNCIL, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN THE BUDGET PROPERLY. OH, I DO HAVE ONE MORE, AS I SAY THAT ABOUT MARK. THE REASON I SAID ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE HE'S COMING BACK INTO THE TREASURY. HE'LL BE BACK IN CITY HALL. WE'VE GOT A WE GOT TO LOOK AT SPACE G. I S IS MOVED OVER TO POWER. WE HAVE AN OLD NOT OLD, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS DESIGNED WHERE YOU USED TO KEEP ALL YOUR MAPS. THERE'S SPACE THERE. THERE'S SPACE IN THIS BUILDING. 
          THERE IS NOT GREAT SPACE IN CITY HALL. SO THAT IS ONE THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, IS TO PUT SOME MONEY IN THERE SO THAT WE CAN REALLY WORK. WE'VE ASKED I'VE ASKED DIRECTOR JONES TO BE IN CHARGE OF THAT COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WHERE PEOPLE ARE, WHAT IS THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION AND WHAT KIND OF A ROLE DO THEY HAVE THAT THEY MIGHT NEED SOME SECURITY OR NOT SOME SECURITY? WHERE DO WE HAVE PUBLIC FACING? HOW DO WE HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS? HE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT AND THEN LOOKING REALLY KIND OF LONG TERM INTO THE PLANNING. 
          AND THE DIRECTORS WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THAT AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THEM. THAT ONE IS BUILT INTO THE BUDGET THROUGH JUST SOME OF THE CAPITAL PLANNING. BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY TO, TO KIND OF FRAME THIS UP, IS THAT. LOOK AT THE PRIORITIES. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PRIORITIES, AND THEN LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET AND THAT THE DIRECTORS KNOW WHERE THEY'RE HEADED. AND THE COUNCIL IS SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO I THINK PROBABLY THE THE NEXT THING I WOULD DO IS, IS JUST MAYBE TURN SOME TIME TO ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTORS THAT ARE HERE ABOUT PRIORITIES. AND IF YOU WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THEIR WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE, I KNOW THAT THAT'S KIND OF LATER AS PART OF THE BROADER BUDGET DISCUSSION, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES FOR 2627, NOW WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AMONGST OURSELVES AND WITH THE DIRECTORS HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE A KIND OF AN OVERALL QUESTION FOR EVERYONE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STUFF THAT I'VE BEEN SEEING, THAT MOST OF OUR PRIORITIES ARE, ARE PERSONNEL FOR MOST OF THE DEPARTMENTS. AND I. IS THAT JUST ME OR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM YOU GUYS? IS, IS THAT WHAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF YOUR BIG ASKS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT CAPITAL PROJECTS SO MUCH, BUT BUT POSITIONS, BUT AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? RIGHT. AND SO. I'LL FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, I THINK OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FAR OUTWEIGHS REQUEST FOR NEW PEOPLE. BUT WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE SOME NEW FTE REQUESTS AND. 
          I THINK THAT DOES DEPEND BY PARTNER BECAUSE WE DON'T BUILD STUFF. SO OURS ARE ALL ABOUT PEOPLE. YEAH. IT ALWAYS IS. YEAH. AND I THINK I'M PRETTY SURE FIRE IS TOO. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANYTHING I HAVEN'T DUG INTO YOURS. VERY EASILY RIGHT NOW. OKAY. 
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PERSONNEL FOR PUBLIC WORKS IS OKAY WITH PARKS AND REC. WE'RE PRETTY STABLE. WE'VE GOT SOME REQUESTS FROM FROM THE FROM STAFF, YOU KNOW, NEEDING SOME ASSISTANCE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT BUT COMING INTO THE BUDGET, KNOWING THAT IT WAS A TIGHT YEAR, WE CAME IN WITH NO ASK FOR NEW PEOPLE. WAIT, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY. JUST POLICE AND FIRE I GUESS. AND. RIGHT. 
          NO CAPITAL, NO CAPITAL REQUESTS THAT I HEAR AS WELL. I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO AND THEY'RE BASED ON GROWTH AND FUTURE SUCCESSION PLANNING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE TWO ON FOR MUNICIPAL OKAY DUE TO GROWTH. SO COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN THERE IS A COUPLE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING SOME LOCATE EFFORTS. SO THERE IS A COUPLE PERSONNEL REQUESTS THAT THAT ARE IN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR AND THEY'RE UNDER THE UTILITIES. YEAH. IT WOULD BE IN THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. YEAH. SORRY. AND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, THEY THEY DO HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE AND THEY'VE BEEN PLANNED FOR. SO, SO IN, IN THOSE, THE ONE CAPITAL PROJECT THAT IS A REQUEST IS TO START DOING SOMETHING TOWARDS THE TRAINING. YES. RIGHT. WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY ALREADY FOR THAT, IN THAT, FOR THAT, BUT WE HAVE I THOUGHT WE HAD A COUPLE, 2 OR $300,000 SET ASIDE FOR THAT ALREADY. NOT, NOT THAT I'M AWARE. OKAY. OH, BROOKE SAYS THAT THERE'S OH THE FEASIBILITY. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THIS. WE HAVE PLANS TO UTILIZE IMPACT FEES AND THEN ANY SHORTAGES, WE'LL GET OVER THE FINISH LINE WITH WILD LAND REVENUE. RIGHT. OKAY. AND HOW MUCH IS THAT RIGHT NOW? IT'S $50,000 FOR THAT STUDY THAT WAS WORKING. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH. A QUESTION ON THAT. IT SAYS ON THE SHORT AT ONE PAGE SOMETHING LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. IS THIS A AN ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OR IS THERE ACTUALLY SOME DIGGING IN THE GROUND GOING TO HAPPEN IN THAT 250,000? WELL, PART OF IT ALSO IS GOING TO DEPEND ON THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY. SO THE AND ALSO THE LOCATION, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY ENTIRELY, DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WORK THAT HAD TO HAPPEN IN THAT IT'S JUST ALL THE THINGS SUCH AS DIGGING, DIGGING DITCHES, AND BRINGING IN WATER AND ELECTRICITY AND ALL THOSE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD FUNCTIONING SITE. BUT IS THAT PART OF WHAT THAT 250 IS GOING TO PAY FOR IS DIGGING? OKAY. IT WILL START MOVING US IN, START MOVING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. YES. AND SO MAYBE I'M GOING TO BACK UP. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL IS THINKING THROUGH WITH WITH OUR PRIORITIES, WHETHER IT IS IN THE HEALTHY COMMUNITY, THE RELATIONSHIP, THE GOOD GOVERNANCE, FINANCIAL STABILITY? I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER LARSON HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE C. I S THAT HE WAS GOING TO BRING UP. YES, AND HE MAY NOT KNOW THAT'S OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES, ARTICLES POWER PAST? I BELIEVE IT'S 99, ABOUT 99. OKAY. POSITIONS 28 NOT INCLUDING PART TIME. I JUST STARTED DOING LIKE DURING MY ALCOHOL ORDINANCE RESEARCH, LOOKING AT COMPARATIVE CITIES. SO CALDWELL IS THE CLOSEST POPULATION WISE TO US. THEY HAVE AN AIRPORT, BUT IT'S AN EXECUTIVE AIRPORT, NO COMMERCIAL SERVICE. THEY DON'T HAVE A POWER COMPANY. THEY HAVE 473 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. SO IF YOU TAKE OUR 130 OUT, IT'S ABOUT 250 TO 200 MORE. SO JUST LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, THEY ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT STRUCTURE IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS. BUT YEAH, JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU. WILL YOU SAY THAT NUMBER AGAIN? THIS IS CALDWELL AND THEY HAVE POLICE FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS, ALL OF THE. YEP. OKAY. PARKS. YEP. DO THEY RUN THEIR OWN AMBULANCE SERVICE? YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. NO YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY RUN THEIR OWN SERVICE. 
          HOW MANY AMBULANCE EMPLOYEES DO YOU HAVE? HALF OF MY EMPLOYEES ARE. SO FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, HALF OF MY EMPLOYEES ARE ARE RUNNING. SO HOW MANY IS THAT? THAT'S ABOUT 72. 70. YEAH. I'M BALLPARKING ALL THOSE NUMBERS. YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE SO I MEAN, WE ALWAYS SAY THIS, WE'RE A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN OUR CITY. SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO DO APPLES TO APPLES ON SOME DIRTY STUFF. SO SO WERE YOU WILL YOU REPEAT THAT NUMBER ON 
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CALDWELL? I MEAN, YEAH, 473 BECAUSE YOU WENT WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND. I ONLY DID ALCOHOL FOR THREE DAYS. YEAH. YOU DID ALCOHOL IN IT. THEY DID IN THEIR JUNE IN THEIR JUNE 20TH 26,473 BILL POSITION. OKAY. JUST A NOTE ON THAT. AGAIN, THEY THEY PROBABLY DON'T DO THEIR OWN GARBAGE, RIGHT? YEAH. I WAS LOOKING INTO LIKE THE STREET STUFF. YEAH. THE ADA COUNTY, IT'S PROBABLY CONTRACT OUT. THEY CONTRACT IT OUT. THEY DON'T DO SNOW REMOVAL. I FACTORED SOME OF THAT STUFF OVER TO NOT EVERYTHING, BUT YEAH, OKAY. BECAUSE WE DID REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST. WHAT IS THE RIGHT WORD WHEN YOU GO OVER THE LEXICON, WHEN YOU GO TO RUBICON, WHAT'S THE WORD WHEN RUBICON, WHEN YOU'RE JUST LIKE RIGHT THERE. I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH PERSONNEL, RIGHT? YEAH. IT WOULD BE ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          TAKE OUT ALL OF THE EXTRA STUFF THAT WE DO. SO YEAH, I THINK WE, WE KNOW THAT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE IS JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP. WE ARE DOING SOME DATA ANALYSIS ON THAT. I WANT TO SHOUT OUT TO OUR HR DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR JONES, THAT HE IS REALLY DIGGING INTO THAT DEEPLY. SO SO WE DO HAVE SOMETHING. SO WE DO NEED TO REALLY, REALLY CONSIDER SOME OF THE PERSONNEL. OKAY. SO ANY ANYBODY WANT TO TACKLE ANY OF OUR PRIORITIES OR THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET CLARITY AROUND THAT. THINGS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENTLY. COUNCILMEMBER LARSON, DO YOU WANT TO START A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS? ABOUT FILLING THAT KIND OF STUFF, ABOUT THE BILLING? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A GOAL FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE ERP THAT WE JUST IMPLEMENTED. IT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE. IS THAT CORRECT? YEP. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE GOAL IS TO PUT ALL THE BILLING UNDER ONE. YEAH. MOVING FORWARD, IT WOULD BE A BRAND NEW SOFTWARE THAT WOULD REPLACE WHAT WE CURRENTLY UTILIZE AND THEN OPEN UP SOME AVENUES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE SOME TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY. SO WE'D HAVE DIFFERENT BILLING ITEMS THAT WE COULD PURSUE TIME OF DAY, PREPAY, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. 
          AND I THINK AS THE WORLD CONTINUES TO ROTATE, AI BECOMES A BIGGER AND BIGGER PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT A UTILITY DOES, AS FAR AS THE QUESTIONS FROM OUR RATEPAYERS AS THOSE COME FORWARD, SO MUCH OF THAT CAN BE HANDLED WITH THE ROBUST AI THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED AS WE SPEAK TODAY. SO AS WE AS WE TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WE'RE OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES IN THIS NEW REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS SO OUR RATEPAYERS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ACCESS TO INFORMATION IN THE WHOLE BILLING PROCESS. RIGHT. SO WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT IMPROVEMENT. AND THEN ALSO, IT TAKES SO MUCH TIME FOR EVEN OUR CSR TO ACCESS INFORMATION. WHEN SOMEONE CALLS ABOUT THEIR BILL, WE'LL SIT. AND YOU KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THAT IS WATCHING THE COMPUTER SPEND WHILE YOU'RE WAITING FOR THAT TO COME UP. SO HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE SOME GOOD JOKES TO TELL SOME PEOPLE AS THEY ALL WAIT. BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS WE HOPE TO RESOLVE IN THAT PROCESS. SO INCUMBENT IN THIS IS THAT THE IDEA THAT THERE'LL BE ONE POINT OF ACCESS FOR THE BILL, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S POWER OR WHATEVER THE THE UTILITY IS, THERE'LL BE ONE PLACE FOR RATEPAYERS TO CALL AND GET INFORMATION, AND THEY'LL ALL ACCESS THE SAME INFORMATION. WE'LL HAVE SOME CSR AT POWER. AND PRIMARILY, I'D SAY THE BULK OF THEIR TIME IS REALLY DEALING WITH FIBER. PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THOSE. BUT BUT THEN THROUGH OUR UTILITIES GROUP HERE IN MUNICIPAL SERVICES, THEY'LL BE OPERATING OFF THAT SAME SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ONE PERSON, BUT THEY ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME INFORMATION. YEAH. OKAY. ONE THING THAT I NOTICED WHILE WE WERE IN BOSTON AT APA, AND I WANT TO EXPRESS THIS, THAT I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT TO LIVE IN IDAHO FALLS. I LOVE LIVING IN IDAHO FALLS. AND ONE OF THOSE IS OUR UTILITIES. AND IT WAS FASCINATING TO SEE HOW SOME OF THE, SOME OF WHAT THEY WOULD GIVE TO THEIR UTILITY PAYERS, THEY WOULD TAKE A VERY SPECIFIC, LIKE A COMPANY LIKE I TAKE ANHEUSER-BUSCH AND THEY ON THEIR BILL, THEY'D SAY, IF ANHEUSER-BUSCH, HYPOTHETICALLY, BECAUSE THEY USED A DIFFERENT ONE WAS JUST OVER THE BORDER, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO CALL OUT ANYBODY ELSE. RIGHT. THEY WERE JUST OVER THE BORDER. THEIR ANNUAL ELECTRIC BILL WOULD BE NEARLY 8000 MORE EXPENSIVE. THIS IS ON THEIR 
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BILL THAT, YOU KNOW, COMES OUT AND THEY ARE REALLY SPECIFIC TO THAT COMPANY. I THINK THAT THE THIS HAS SOME POTENTIAL TO REALLY HELP HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A UTILITY COMPANY, HAVING AN AIRPORT, HAVING, YOU KNOW, BEING A RESIDENT OF IDAHO FALLS. 
          AND I WAS I SPENT A GOOD TRACK OF TIME WATCHING THAT, THINKING, OUR SIS CAN DO SOME OF THAT. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. YOU ALSO MADE IT REALLY CLEAR POINT THAT THAT THERE THE OBVIOUS THAT THAT WAS A LOT OF PHRASEOLOGY THAT THIS IS YOUR COMPANY. YEAH. YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A BENEFIT. AND HERE'S WHAT YOUR BILL AND THEY ACTUALLY SAID, HERE'S WHAT YOUR BILL WOULD HAVE BEEN. HERE'S WHAT IT IS NOW. THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. AND SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE SOME OF THAT. YEAH, I, I HAD A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS A DAY OR TWO AGO, BUT YOU LOOK AT OUR TAX BILL AND YOU SAY, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF A TAX BILL. AND I SUBMIT TO PEOPLE, OKAY, ADD IN ALL YOUR UTILITIES AND THEN COMPARE THAT TO ANYBODY WITHIN 200 MILES A YEAR AND YOU'LL FINALLY BE. I HAD A FRIEND WHO BOUGHT A HOME AND BUILT A HOME IN, IN AFTER HE LIVED IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS AND BECAUSE OF THE TAXES AND HE, HE ABOUT TWO YEARS IN, HE WAS LIKE, I. IT COST ME MORE TO LIVE IN HARMONY THAN IT COST ME BECAUSE I PAY MORE FOR GARBAGE. I PAY MORE FOR WATER, I PAY MORE FOR SEWER, I PAY MORE DRIVING BACK AND FORTH AND FURTHER FROM WHERE I WORK. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. RIGHT. SO YEAH, THERE ARE SAVINGS ON THE PLACE, BUT YOU MAKE THEM UP ELSEWHERE AND I THINK WE HAVE TO POINT THEM OUT. WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TELL OUR STORY. WE HAVE TO POINT THEM OUT. SO YOU THINK THIS WILL HELP US DO THAT? IT'S KIND OF I THINK IT'S KIND OF ONE TOOL. I THINK IT'S ONE TOOL THAT WE CAN USE TO REALLY START TO, TO BE MORE PERSONALIZED ABOUT IT. I'M SORRY, I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN TOO INVOLVED WITH ANY CONVERSATIONS, I GUESS, WITH THIS, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THESE TYPE OF SOFTWARES OR PROGRAMS, COULD THEY ALSO BE UTILIZED FOR THINGS LIKE RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS AT ALL SO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH THE CITY, YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS, IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS USED ACROSS MORE THAN JUST UTILITIES? NO, IT'S AN INTERESTING GENERALLY, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS OF WORKING WITH SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES, SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER, BUT WE DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. BUT. JOSH IS OVER THERE SAYING LIKE, NOT ON MY NOT OVER MY DEAD BODY, RIGHT. DIFFERENT POINT OF SALE SYSTEM. SO LIKE YOU HAVE CIVIC REC THAT LIKE IT'S OR SPECIFIC, NOT CIVIC, BUT YEAH, AND IT'S FOCUSED JUST FOR PARKS WHILE THIS LIKE UTILITY BILLING IS THIS SOFTWARE IS FOCUSED ON UTILITIES. OKAY. BUT WE ARE LOOKING THOUGH BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR MISCELLANEOUS AR. AND SO WE HAVE LIKE ALL THESE KIND OF MISCELLANEOUS BILLS THAT ARE GETTING SENT OUT. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SYSTEM THAT CAN DO OUR MISCELLANEOUS BILLING AS WELL THROUGH THAT. OKAY. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE WE WANT TO INCORPORATE INTO THAT. SO OUR TEXTING ABILITIES, HOW DO YOU REACH THOSE RATEPAYERS? SO THAT COMMUNICATION PIECE RIGHT. INCORPORATED. YEAH. FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE ALL THE TIME ARE GETTING A PAPER BILL, OF COURSE. AND, AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, YOU GET AN EMAIL THAT YOU GET ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? YOU JUST LOOKED AT THE BOTTOM LINE AND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE DONE WITH IT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT YOU DON'T SPEND THE TIME TO READ THE WHOLE THING. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN TRUE WITH OUR, THAT WAS A KEY WAY FOR US TO COMMUNICATE FOR A LOT OF YEARS WAS THOSE THAT BILL AND I HAVEN'T OPENED ONE FOREVER. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHY I EVEN CHOOSE TO GET ONE. BUT THE OTHER POINT OF THAT IS THAT DO WE HAVE A CHOICE TO NOT GET A CREDIT IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE IT, I HAVEN'T GOT TO BE A VILLAIN, RIGHT? I TAKE OFF MY PAPER BILL. YEAH, YEAH. BUT I AT THE SAME CONFERENCE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT OPTING IN AND OUT OF TEXT MESSAGING AND WITH THE SERVICES AROUND ELECTRIC. RIGHT. I THINK SARAH'S TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO, THAT THERE'S SOME CHOICES AROUND THAT WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY SEND MESSAGES TO EVERYONE BECAUSE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE. THAT'S INTERESTING. THAT'S HAD ONE THING ON, ON THAT. SO WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THESE UTILITY BILLING SOFTWARE COMPANIES THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING TO IS WE CAN START THAT SERVICE, THAT TEXTING SERVICE, LIKE DAY ONE OF IMPLEMENTATION. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT THE 18 MONTHS TO IMPLEMENT THE ENTIRE SOFTWARE. 
          WE CAN START THAT, THAT SERVICE RIGHT AWAY. SO WE CAN START USING THAT WHILE WE'RE DOING THE IMPLEMENTATION. NICE. YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH, YEAH. MARGARET HAD SOMETHING AS WELL WITH BYU-IDAHO, AN IDEA THAT THEY HAD PROPOSED THAT FIBERS ALREADY DOING WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNICATING WITH RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. DO YOU MIND JUST GIVING A REALLY 
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BRIEF THE WELCOME BOX IDEA? YES. ONE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE PUT FORWARD TO BYU IDAHO COMMUNICATION STUDENTS IS A PROJECT THAT SARAH KIND OF INITIATED, BUT WE LOOKED AT INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT IT JUST FROM POWER AND FIBER, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM CITY WIDE WITH THIS IDEA OF A WELCOME BOX. SO WHEN SOMEBODY, WHEN A NEW RESIDENT COMES IN AND CONNECTS TO THEIR UTILITIES, THEY WOULD GET A BOX THAT WOULD SORT OF WELCOME THEM TO THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. AND IT'S SOMETHING FIBER DOES ALREADY. THERE'S SOME, SOME DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE BOX, BUT WE WOULD SORT OF EXPAND THAT SO THAT THERE'S LIKE A PARKS AND REC GUIDE AND MAYBE A FREE COUPON FOR A VISIT TO THE ZOO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. A TREASURE MAP FOR DOWNTOWN, A LIST OF RESTAURANTS THAT, YOU KNOW, OR JUST SORT OF THINGS THAT MAKE IDAHO FALL SPECIAL. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER AND SORT OF BRAINSTORM A LITTLE ABOUT SO WE CAN TRY AND MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS WITH NEW RESIDENTS, ALSO PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION ABOUT SORT OF HOW TO SIGN UP FOR TEXT ALERTS ON SNOW REMOVAL AND EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE HAVE WORKED REALLY WELL FOR RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME AND KIND OF HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF HOW THOSE SYSTEMS WORK. BUT FOR NEW RESIDENTS, IT'S NOT QUITE HOW IT'S DONE IN THEIR OLD HOMETOWN, AND THEY HAVEN'T REALLY SORT OF PLUGGED IN ENOUGH TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME GREAT POTENTIAL TO REALLY CONNECT WITH THOSE NEW RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S DEFINITELY A SEGMENT OF POPULATION THAT WE NEED TO CONNECT WITH AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND HOW OUR TOWN WORKS. 
          SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT KIND OF BUILDING ON SOME OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE WITH POWER AND FIBER. ALREADY HAD A LITTLE PIECE TO THAT OF LIKE A 30, 30, 60, 90 DAY CHECK IN AFTERWARDS THAT MAYBE THAT GOES DIGITAL MORE AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, CHECKING IN TO SEE OR MAYBE SOME VIDEOS ON SOME NEW THINGS IN TOWN OR SOME, SOME FUN THINGS THAT MAYBE SEASONALLY THAT THEY'RE THAT ARE COMING UP OR WHATEVER THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT. OKAY. AND I THINK THE IDEA IS, IS THAT THROUGH THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS AND THROUGHOUT THE PRIORITIES, IT IS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS OF IDAHO FALLS KNOW THEY LIVE IN A SPECIAL PLACE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A COMMUNITY AND, AND THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE REFLECTING THAT THIS IS REALLY A REALLY SPECIAL PLACE TO LIVE. AND WE HAVE OUR SHORTCOMINGS. SO WE CAN GET TO THOSE AS WELL. I THINK THIS YEAR WE'VE LEARNED THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF LONG TERM RESIDENTS THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE BASIC SYSTEMS THERE. 
          I GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER BORN AND RAISED HERE WHO'S STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING CERTAIN THINGS. AND IT WAS SO INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD SO MUCH INTERACTION WITH THE CITY AND JUST STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY HER FAULT, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE CAN JUST ALWAYS DO MORE TO COMMUNICATE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT ANY CITY CAN EVER SAY WE COMMUNICATE JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN SAY THAT. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING MORE THAT WE CAN DO. OUR MESSAGE IS UNDERSTOOD PERFECTLY. RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. 
          UNDER ASPIRATION SAFETY YOU'LL SEE THERE IS THIS YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED PORTION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I SPOKE TO MARY BURDESHAW ABOUT AFTER DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES. WE'VE HEARD FEEDBACK ABOUT THE JEFFERSON AREA SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT. AND I SPENT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 30S IN A CONVERSATION WITH DIRECTOR CANFIELD. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY NOT PUT HIM ON THE SPOT REGARDING WHAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD DO BETTER. AND JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE COUNCIL JUST TO CONSIDER IS A SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT STANDARDIZED AND THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING IN AND WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT, WHAT THAT COMMUNICATION LOOKS LIKE AND POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, UPFRONT FUNDING SOME OF THE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENTS AND HAVING THE RESIDENT PAY US BACK THROUGH UTILITY BILLING, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          BUT JUST LOOKING AT SOME ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO GET THAT DONE, AS WELL AS IMPROVING THE TYPE OF COMMUNICATION AND THE TONE OF COMMUNICATION. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US WANT TO ARGUE, YOU KNOW, WHO OWNS THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? IT'S NOT REALLY NOT WHAT IT'S ABOUT, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO FACE THE REALITY THAT SENDING A LETTER AND SAYING, GO FIX YOUR SIDEWALK OR. YEAH. AND, BUT EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE I PROPOSE THIS TO A FEW PEOPLE. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU GOT THAT LETTER? ALL MY FRIENDS SAID, WELL, I WOULD GOOGLE REPLACE MY SIDEWALK. WHO FIXES SIDEWALKS? I SAID, OKAY, GO DO THAT. TELL ME HOW YOU COME OUT. IT DIDN'T GO WELL. A LOT OF CONTRACTORS THAT ARE NOT DOING ONE ON ONE RESIDENTIAL, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO SMALL PROJECTS. AND ONE FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED, SHE EVEN CALLED SOME PLACES AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST KIND 
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OF DOING, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST INTERESTED IN REPLACING PART OF MY SIDEWALK. AND THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT EVEN INTERESTED IN HELPING YOU. IT'S NOT WORTH THEIR TIME TO COME OUT AND DO ONE SIDEWALK. SO SHE COULDN'T EVEN GET. AND THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WORK. IMAGINE PEOPLE WHO WORK. IMAGINE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO FIND TIME IN THEIR DAY TO MAKE THESE PHONE CALLS. 
          IMAGINE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE INTERNET. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KEEP THINKING EXISTS ARE PEOPLE THAT JUST HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. AND NOW WE'RE IN LMI NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE EXPECT THEM TO, TO, TO HAVE THIS KNOWLEDGE. I DON'T THINK IT'S GETTING THE OUTCOME THAT WE WANT IT TO GET. AND SO I DO WANT COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT PURSUING A DIFFERENT KIND OF SYSTEM, FOR SURE. I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON. WE TALK A LITTLE LOUDER. COUNCILMEMBER BRADFORD I KNOW MICHELLE. YEAH. I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON. BUT I'M INTERESTED BECAUSE I DROVE DOWN A ROAD. IT'S TO MY CHURCH, JUNIPER STREET, AND THAT SEEMS LIKE I REMEMBER DRIVING IT WHEN IT WAS ALL TORE UP, JUST LIKE JEFFERSON WHEN THEY HAD TO REPLACE THE WATER HEADS. AND THEN AND THEN THEY ALL HAD SIDEWALKS REPLACED, BUT WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THIS FEEDBACK. 
          THEN WHAT WENT DIFFERENTLY? WAS THE LETTER REALLY DIFFERENT? DID WE WORK WITH THEM LIKE, OH, DID WE GET FEEDBACK? BUT IT DIDN'T GET TO THE COUNCIL LEVEL? MAYBE. BUT I, I MEAN, IT'S MY CHURCH, RIGHT? LIKE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE HEARD, BUT SO SOMETHING WENT SMOOTHER IN THE JUNIPER PROCESS TOO. BUT I, I AGREE WITH THE REPLACEMENT BECAUSE I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME CDBG MONEY THAT WE COULD. I KNOW THERE'S, THERE IS A CDBG. YEP. BUT THERE'S ALSO I KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO USE THAT FOR A, YOU KNOW, TO GET A P A AND I WANT TO FINISH THAT TOO. 
          THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. BUT SO YEAH, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT FOR JUST A SECOND TO SEE. YEAH, REALLY THAT PROCESS IS PRETTY SIMILAR, RIGHT AS IT CAME FORWARD. IT'S, IT'S GENERALLY THAT ONE WAS PART OF THE OVERLAY AS OPPOSED TO SOME WATERWORKS. SO, BUT STILL PRESSING THAT SAME YEAR THE LETTERS WENT OUT, WAS IT? IT WASN'T THE SAME LETTER THOUGH, WAS IT THE NOTIFICATIONS. I WOULD WHETHER THE EXACT SAME, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY, HEY, WE'VE NOTICED THESE DEFICIENCIES. THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED IN ADVANCE OF SUCH AND SUCH A DATE. SO, SO A PRETTY SIMILAR PROCESS. AND STAFF HAD A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH, WITH FOLKS ON THAT STREET AS WE WERE TO HAVE THOSE REPLACED. SO JEFFERSON JUST HAD MORE ACCESS TO US. MAYBE, MAYBE. AND DIRECTOR CANFIELD, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN AS YOU'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THE RESIDENTS ON JEFFERSON OR SPEAKING WITH? SO THE I MEAN, IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR SURE. AS FAR AS FUNDING GOES, THOSE ARE EXPRESSED. THE COMMUNICATION. I CAN ONLY SAY THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE BETTER. THE. ONCE THEY'RE ABLE TO MEET WITH THE THE STREET DEPARTMENT FACE TO FACE. THINGS HAVE GONE BETTER ON THE VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS AND THE EXPLANATIONS. PEOPLE HAVE RECEIVED THE LETTER AND THEY JUST THINK ALL OF THEIR CONCRETE GETS REPLACED. I ALWAYS THINK THE WORST. YEAH. AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF EXPLAIN, OH NO, THIS IS THIS. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT TIMELINES AND THINGS. AND ARE YOU AT THIS POINT, ARE YOU REFERRING THEM TO CONTRACTORS? I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WE IN THE LETTER, WE GIVE THEM A LIST OF CONTRACTORS THAT ARE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM BECAUSE WE GET A WE GET A CONTRACTED PRICE FOR CONCRETE. WE DO THROUGH THE STREET DEPARTMENT AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHAT SETS THE VALUE FOR THE CURB AND GUTTER PROGRAM THAT WE DO PARTICIPATE IN. OFFER THAT TO THEM FOR AS WELL. BUT THAT LIST, I HAVE THE SAME FEEDBACK THAT THEY CALLED THAT LIST AND SAID, IF YOU CAN GET EVERYONE TOGETHER, WE MIGHT COME OUT. 
          BUT THEY WERE LIKE, WE'RE NOT COMING OUT FOR ONE. SO MAYBE BEFORE WE SEND A LIST, WE SHOULD FIND OUT IF THEY'LL DO IT. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION IS DIFFERENT, RIGHT, COUNCILOR BRADFORD? I MEAN, SOME YEARS THEY'RE DESPERATE. THEY WILL COME. AND MAYBE THIS IS THE POINT BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID, I CALLED AND THEY QUOTED ME $8,000 TO COME OUT AND DO THIS ONE SECTION, BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO HAUL OUT A WHOLE TRUCK OF CONCRETE, AND THEY DIDN'T CARE WHERE THEY PLACED IT, BUT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO JUST DO THIS ONE LITTLE SECTION. WELL, I'M WONDERING IF THERE ISN'T A NONPROFIT WE COULD PARTNER WITH OR CEI FOR JOB LIKE, LIKE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CEMENT COMPANY. LIKE THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS MAYBE WE COULD FIND SOME MARRIAGE WHERE A SMALL WHERE THEY CAN LEARN SKILLS, BUT THEY'RE DOING THESE SMALL THINGS AS THEY'RE LEARNING. I DON'T KNOW, BUT BUT I'M IN AGREEMENT. I KNOW BRANDON TALKED ABOUT IT AS WELL THAT WE FIND A WAY TO FUND SOMETHING, WHETHER IT. AND THEN WE GET PAID BACK AS IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. BUT WE DO IT OVER TIME. I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY SUPPORTIVE. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE BE UNSUPPORTIVE OF IT. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE SO WE DO THE CORNER THING THAT YOU KNOW. YEAH. AND IT'S AND IT'S OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH ITD AND SO FORTH. IT'S PART OF A TRANSITION PLAN THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO. IS THERE ANY OF THAT MONEY THAT COULD FUNNEL TO THIS, OR IS IT THAT MONEY WAS DEDICATED TO ITD ROUTES? SO BROADWAY, YELLOWSTONE HOMES. BUT I KNOW WE'RE DOING THOSE OTHER PLACES TOO, RIGHT? WE'RE THERE ARE HOW DO WE PAY FOR THOSE OUT OF THE STREET MAINTENANCE. OKAY, OKAY. BASICALLY FOLLOW THE PLANNED UTILITY OR PLANNED. BUT IT'S ALL A, YOU KNOW, ADA COMPLIANT STUFF, BASICALLY. RIGHT. BUT THOSE ARE JUST CORNERS, NOT THE 
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SIDEWALKS THEMSELVES. THE THERE WAS ANOTHER GENTLEMAN I VISITED WITH AFTER ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AT THE IN THE EVENING AT COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND HE KIND OF CAME TOGETHER AND HE WAS A GOOD SPEARHEAD FOR THE GROUP. AND HE KIND OF IT WAS A SUCCESS STORY WHERE HE FOUND A VERY REASONABLE CONTRACTOR AND HE WAS ABLE TO SHARE, SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH HIS NEIGHBORS AND GET A GOOD PRODUCT. BUT IT WAS KIND OF A SILVER LINING AMONGST THE COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE HAD, WHERE IT WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET A MUCH BETTER PRICE THAN WE COULD, THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME. SO HE, HE FOUND A COMPANY, HE RESEARCHED IT, HE DUG IN. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, TO HIS CREDIT, HE'S HELPED HIM AND HIS NEIGHBORS EXTENSIVELY BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE DOWNSIDES. IF WE WENT IN AND DID IT, THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE, WELL, THE CITY DID THIS AND NOW THEY'RE BILLING ME AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TO. YEAH, VISIT AND DO IT ON MY OWN. OR I COULD HAVE DONE THIS MUCH CHEAPER. BUT THE CITY IS A IT'S GOT AN OVERREACH. BUT WE COULD GIVE BOTH OPTIONS, COULDN'T WE? SO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY WANT TO DO IT, THEY COULD DO IT. BUT IF NOT, THEN THEY BUY INTO THIS PROGRAM. YEAH. I'M INTERESTED IN ANY SOLUTION THAT MAKES IT WORK. MAYOR. WE, WE USED TO DO AS A PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. 
          WE DID CODE ENFORCEMENT. IF WE HAD WEED ABATEMENT ISSUES, WE WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE THEM A LETTER AND A FOLLOW UP LETTER. IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT BY A CERTAIN DATE, WE'D COME AND MOW IT AND, AND SEND THEM A BILL. AND WE STRUGGLE WITH THAT A LOT WHERE THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP GETTING SEVERAL PIECES OF PROPERTY AROUND TOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3, FIVE YEARS IN, THEY'RE GOING, I OWE YOU 17 GRAND. IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH THAT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THAT WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE MOVED OUT OF THE GRAFFITI BECAUSE WE USED TO SAY, WE DON'T CLEAN UP GRAFFITI, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CLEAN IT UP. AND THE OTHER, THAT SAME THING BLEEDS. WE JUST THERE IS NO CITY CAPACITY TO DO THOSE SECTIONS. SO IN OTHER AREAS, WE'RE NOT GOING AND DOING IT FOR THE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSIBILITY. WE HAVE THE PIRACY THING. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAKE OVER SOMEBODY AND THEY COME ON ON POWER, RIGHT. AND THEY AND THEN AND WE CONVERT THEM, WE HAVE TO PAY ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER FOR THAT CUSTOMER. SO AND THEN WE HAVE THE CUSTOMER PAY PART OF THAT, HALF OF THAT, OF THAT CHARGE, AND THEN WE LET THEM PAY IT OFF OVER TIME. AND SO BASICALLY, THEIR POWER BILLS GOING DOWN, RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON POWER NOW. BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE THEY'RE KEEPING IT AT THE SAME LEVEL. IT'S BEEN BASICALLY UNTIL THEY PAY OFF THAT, WHATEVER IT IS, ABOUT A THOUSAND BUCKS OR SOMETHING, IT'S DEPENDING ON. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR. CORRELATION. YEAH. I MEAN, I DO FEEL LIKE TO SOME EXTENT, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE LITTLE DETAILS OF EXECUTION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND, BUT STAFF WILL BE THE EXPERTS AT. AND I SAY THAT WE SAY, HEY, STAFF, PROVIDE US WITH SOME OPTIONS HERE. I MEAN, WE CAN'T JUST GO TELL SOMEBODY YOU HAVE TO REPLACE YOUR SIDEWALK AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. RIGHT. WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW, YEAH. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY'RE LIKE, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO HELP THEM FINANCE IT OR SOMETHING. AND I THINK THAT BEING ABLE TO, TO UNDERSTANDING THE CODE AND THEN HAVING TIME TO FINANCE IT, RIGHT? LIKE IF IT CAME OUT A YEAR BEFORE THAT SAID, HERE'S THE CODE, BECAUSE I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH JEFFERSON IS A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS THOUGHT WE WERE COMING IN AND TEARING UP THEIR SIDEWALKS, AND THEN THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPLACING THE PART OF THE SIDEWALK WE TORE UP. YEAH, WE BEING THE CITY, THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHY DID YOU COME IN? AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. SO I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AHEAD MESSAGE, THAT IS FAR ENOUGH AHEAD. MAYBE THERE IS SOME ABILITY TO THAT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD PUT IT IN YOUR UTILITY BILL. YEAH, ROLL IT INTO THAT AND HAVE THEM PAY AN EXTRA $20 A MONTH OR $50 A MONTH OR WHATEVER, EVEN PROACTIVELY. YEAH, WE KNOW WE'RE COMING. RIGHT. THAT'S MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE DO IT LEGALLY? CAN WE ADD SOMETHING WHERE IT'S AN OPT IN TO A UTILITY BILL? AND IF YOU'VE OPTED IN, RIGHT, THEN YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE FINANCING PROGRAM. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO LIKE WHAT YOU SAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I'M JUST GOING TO PAY CASH WHEN THE TIME COMES. 
          GREAT. CAN WE DO THAT? DO WE KNOW I CAN LOOK AT THE POWER? LIKE, BECAUSE MY ASSUMPTION IS LIKE, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD COME INTO A UTILITY BILL. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT A DIRECT UTILITY, BUT BUT IF WE'RE PAYING FOR UTILITY, BRANDON AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE GRABBING YOU LIKE THIS. YEAH. YOU THINK OF THE WORD UTILITY AND YOU THINK OF POWER. BUT UTILITY IS, IS SANITATION, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S IT'S ALL TOGETHER, RIGHT? SO I START HERE OFTENTIMES THINK POWER, BUT IT REALLY IS. I COME ALL THE WAY DOWN. YEAH. I WANT ALL OF IT THAT WE DON'T. TO ME, 
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IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE. IT WOULD BE A UTILITY. AND LIKE IF WE HAD A PROGRAM LIKE THAT WHERE PEOPLE COULD OPT IN, RIGHT? AND THEN AGAIN, WE KIND OF KNOW THE SYSTEM WIDE, RIGHT? WE KIND OF KNOW, WELL, BASED ON AGE AND CONDITION, WE SHOULD EXPECT TO REPAIR AND REPLACE THESE SIDEWALKS ON THESE STREETS BASED ON WHEN THEY WERE PUT IN. SO WE COULD GET A ROUGH GAME PLAN, KIND OF KNOW. SO PEOPLE START PAYING IN, RIGHT? IF I START PAYING IN NOW, MAYBE MY SIDEWALK ISN'T DUE FOR TEN YEARS OR 15 YEARS, RIGHT? SO I'M GOING TO PAY IN FOR WHATEVER THE TIME IS. I DON'T SEE SOMEBODY WANTING TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT MOVE, RIGHT? THEY PAY FOR SIDEWALK THE PLACE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE INSURANCE. SO I ALMOST SEE IT COULD BE A $20 A MONTH. IF YOU DON'T EVER WANT TO REPLACE YOUR SIDEWALK, THEN IF A SIDEWALK CRACKS AND IT IT'S IN MY HOME INSURANCE FOR MY WATER MAIN, I HAVE THAT I PAY MORE A MONTH SO THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS, I DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE 2000 TO HOOK TO THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT. MY THOUGHT WOULD BE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD REQUIRE IT, BUT IF PEOPLE WANTED TO OPT IN, I DON'T KNOW. MY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT IS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE IN THE ROOM HAS ENOUGH EXPERIENCE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I BEMOAN IS THAT WE DON'T USE THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY ENOUGH IN GOVERNMENT, AND WITH THESE SUBDIVISIONS, WHEN WE PAY THEM, COULD WE PUT ASIDE SOME MONEY, REQUIRE THE DEVELOPERS TO PUT ASIDE MONEY FOR REPLACEMENT SIDEWALKS FOR 50 YEARS LATER, WHICH IS CRAZY TO THINK ABOUT, BUT THAT'S ONE THING GOVERNMENTS ARE GOOD ENOUGH AT, IS WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF DOLLARS AND WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF THOSE INVESTMENTS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE LEGAL, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CITIES FACE. AND IF I COULD ALWAYS SAY HE'LL TELL YOU IF A CITY IS GOING TO MAKE IT OR NOT AFTER 100 YEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE REALLY DEALING WITH THESE SUBDIVISIONS AGING AND DETERIORATING IN THE CITY SIDEWALKS. AND I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH YOU CAN BE PROACTIVE. AND TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING POINT THAT IF YOU SET SOME MONEY ASIDE AND LET THE POWER OF INTEREST AND INVESTMENTS HAPPEN, THEN SIDEWALKS AREN'T THAT EXPENSIVE IN A SUBDIVISION. LIKE IF YOU PUT ASIDE $200,000, YOU COULD PROBABLY HAVE IT BE 2 MILLION BY THE END OF THE 50 YEARS, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO REPLACE ALL THE SIDEWALK AND IT WOULD BE PLANNED IN A WAY. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LEGAL IN THE CITY, IN THE STATE. AND THEN YOU GET TO THE ROAD AND THEN YOU'RE BACK TO IMPACT FEE LIKE, LIKE THERE'S, IT'S COMPLEX, BUT SOME. I'LL TAKE THAT AS A, AS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS A, AS COUNCIL. THAT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE INTERESTED IN. YEAH, WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK WE. WE NEED TO HELP THEM. YES, WE GOT TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. THE OTHER ASPIRATION THING IS OUR RIVER. LIKE, ARE WE DO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE ENOUGH? AND I KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING A NEW KIND OF APPROACH FINANCIALLY BETWEEN POWER AND HAVING IT BE UNDER FERC LICENSING? LIKE, DO WE AS A COUNCIL FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH RESOURCES AND THIS BUDGET, ARE WE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS YET? I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THAT? YEAH. SO WHERE WE'RE AT AND THAT IS WE'RE IN THE DATA COLLECTION PHASE. SO WE'VE BEEN MEETING WEEKLY FOR THE PAST OH, MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS IN CVS. WE'RE MEETING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE JUST TO GO OVER THE POC POOL, WHICH WILL BE THIS WEEK, AND THEN JUST DISCUSS. WE'RE NOT AT OUTREACH YET. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THAT. 
          AND THEN WHAT OUR GOAL WAS, WAS WE HAVE ALL THIS DATA, WE KNOW HOW WE POTENTIALLY DO OUTREACH AND THEN COME TO YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL. AND SO I'M HEARING THAT'S FOR NEXT BUDGET YEAR. 
          WELL, THIS FOR 2627. YEAH. FOR THIS, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IN TERMS OF PROJECTS, THIS, THIS IS FOR NOW, BUT PROJECTS LIKE ACTUAL BUILDING SOMETHING WOULD BE OUT IN THE FUTURE. YES. THEN THAT WOULD FIT INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS IDENTIFIED BY PUBLIC BY, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND POWER THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT, YOU KNOW, THE FRIENDSHIP GARDEN AND HERITAGE PARK AND THE LIGHTING AROUND HERITAGE PARK. AND I THINK I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE US A WHILE, COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE JUST EVEN WITH THE CONVERSATION WITH DIRECTOR CENTER, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO SAY LIKE, OH, HERE'S THE FLOODPLAIN AND HERE'S WHAT AN OVERLAY LOOKS LIKE. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL OF THIS DATA, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO, FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, DO THIS PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THESE COMMITTEES, THAT'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE GOT TO LOOK AT SAFETY. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT RIVER USE, AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS. SO I THINK THAT I THINK WE'RE AT LEAST A YEAR OFF ANYWAY, TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY TO HAVE ANY KIND OF PLAN AROUND IT. BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE PRIORITY IS BEING WORKED. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT IN THIS MEETING. YES, YES. IT'S VERY TOP PRIORITY FOR US. 
          RIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT THE RIVER PLAN IS THAT WE PROTECT THE RIVER, RIGHT? IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE START TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND ALL THOSE THINGS. BUT FOR AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE RIVER, I MEAN, 
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ACTUALLY, THAT'S MY FIRST PRIORITY, RIGHT? IS THAT WE WANT TO LIMIT WHAT CAN HAPPEN, HOW CLOSE IT CAN HAPPEN TO THE RIVER. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A GOOD FIRST STEP WE MADE WITH THE WITH THE CANAL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE RIVER CORRIDOR, IT'S STILL PART OF THE RIVER, RIGHT? IT'S STILL WATER FROM THE RIVER TO, TO MOVE THAT, THAT AUTO PLACE AWAY FROM THE CANAL. RIGHT, RIGHT. I AGREE, AND I THINK WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PLAN ABOUT WHERE WE CAN PUT ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT COMMERCE ADJACENT, LIKE THE SOUTHERN END OF IT. 
          RIGHT? SO ALL THAT'S BEING WORKED ON, ALL THAT'S IT IS. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S THIS, THERE'S ALWAYS THIS LIKE, OH, WHAT IS THE RIVER? AND SO IT'LL COME BACK AS A DEVELOP, BUT WE ALSO WANT IT TO DEVELOP WITH THE PERSON THAT'S IN MIND THAT NOT THE DEVELOPER, RIGHT? THAT THAT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS. YEAH. OKAY. SO YES, IT IS THE GROUNDWORK FOR THAT IS BEING LAID AND. IF YOU WE'RE ABOUT TO TURN THE TIME TO THE BROOKS AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IT'S ABOUT ALL, ALL GOING TO COME FROM FINANCE AND THE REST OF IT. THE OTHER PIECE THAT I WANT, THE TONE OF THE CONVERSATION IS, AREN'T WE LUCKY TO LIVE IN IDAHO FALLS? AS WE TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT OF THE AQUATIC CENTER AND THE FRONTIER CENTER AND THE ZOO, IF WE CAN JUST TAKE THE TONE, I KNOW THAT WE CAN HAVE HARD DISCUSSIONS, WE CAN HAVE MAKE HARD DECISIONS. 
          BUT THE TONE IS WE ARE LUCKY TO LIVE IN IDAHO FALLS. LOOK AT ALL OF THE AMENITIES WE HAVE. I THINK THAT WE CAN REALLY KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR JUST A HEALTHY CONVERSATION. IT DOESN'T. IT'S NOT ALL RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS AND FLOWERS. IT'S NOT. BUT I THINK THAT IT IS A TONE THAT WE CAN SET THAT SAYS, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S HAVE A HARD CONVERSATION, BUT STILL KEEP A TONE THAT SAYS WE'RE, WE'RE LUCKY TO LIVE HERE. WE'RE INCREDIBLY BLESSED THIS WAY. SO, BROOKS, AS WE MOVE ON, WILL YOU PLEASE, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE 
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OTHER COUNCIL PRIORITIES. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE CLOCK. OKAY. ALL ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU'LL TAKE US THROUGH THE PROPERTY TAX IMPACTS AND AS YOU'LL SEE, FINANCE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE FROM ONE TOPIC TO THE NEXT. OKAY. SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST RECAP QUICKLY WHERE WE ARE AT FOR PROPERTY TAXES. WE'VE GOT OUR CURRENT PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT. THAT'S JUST OVER 50 MILLION. WE'RE ASSUMING THE 3% STATUTORILY ALLOWED. THAT ADDS ANOTHER MILLION AND A HALF. AND THEN WE'RE ASSUMING A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION FOR GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. THAT GETS US TO 53,000,001, 45, 990. AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL OPTIONS OF USING FORGONE THE 1% FOR ONGOING COSTS. AND THEN THERE'S A 3% FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. THEN THIS NEXT SLIDE IS TALKING ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF THE PROPERTY TAXES. SO OF THAT 53 MILLION 146 THIS IS HOW WE'VE ALLOCATED IT, 3% TO ALL OF OUR FUNDS THAT HAVE AN ALLOCATION. AND THEN THE REST OF THE GENERAL FUND, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF THE INCREASE COMPARED TO THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, WHICH IS OUR PERSONNEL COST INCREASE, THE GENERAL FUND IS STILL NOT COVERING THAT PERSONNEL INCREASE. AND THAT'S WHY THE REST OF THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE WENT TO THE GENERAL FUND. BUT EVERY OTHER FUND GOT 3%. SO STREETS, RECREATION, LIBRARY AND PUBLIC WORKS CIP. THIS LEAVES 300 000 OF THE GROWTH AND ANNEXATION UNALLOCATED. CURRENTLY THAT IS DISCRETIONARY FOR POTENTIALLY THOSE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AT THE END. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROPOSED ALLOCATION. THAT'S WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY. AT. SO MOVING ON TO THE IMPACT FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          THERE IS A CAVEAT RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBERS OF WHAT THE ACTUAL ASSESSMENT IS. 
          EVALUATION IS THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. WE DO HAVE AN ASSUMPTION. WE ASSUMED A 0.7% INCREASE IN EVALUATION OF PROPERTIES. THAT'S JUST KIND OF BASED ON MARKET DATA FROM YEAR OVER YEAR. IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 0.7% INCREASE, PLUS THE ESTIMATED GROWTH IN ANNEXATION VALUATIONS. SO FOR OUR PROPERTIES, THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE, IF YOU LOOK ON ZILLOW RIGHT NOW HERE IN IDAHO FALLS IS LIKE 389. SO WE PUT 75 UP TO 600 GIVE YOU. LEVELS THERE TO SEE WHAT THAT PROPERTY TAX BILL WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH JUST THE 3% STATUTORY GROWTH. THAT'S AN INCREASE FOR A HOME AT 3.75 OF $93 A YEAR, OR $8 A MONTH FOR A 
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HOME AT 450 VALUATION, THAT'S AN INCREASE OF $114 OR $10. THE NEXT RUNG THERE IS OUR STATUTORY GROWTH, PLUS THE 1% FOREGONE. THAT ADDS A FEW MORE DOLLARS. SO $108 FOR A HOME AT $375,134 A YEAR FOR A PROPERTY THAT'S VALUED AT 450,000. AND THEN THE LAST LINE IS IF WE ALSO ADDED THE 3% FOREGONE. SO THAT'S A BIGGER BUMP TO 155,000 MORE A YEAR FOR PROPERTY THAT'S VALUED AT $375,195 A YEAR FOR PROPERTY AT 450,000. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE TO COMMERCIAL, JUST 3% FOREGONE WAS HOW MUCH. AGAIN, THE TOTAL ABOUT 1,000,006. SO FOR. AND THAT'S ONLY IF WE CAN DO CAPITAL PROJECT. RIGHT NOW THE 1% IS 535. THEN 3% WOULD BE UP TO 26. I REALIZE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. THE PAST FEW YEARS WE'VE SENSED A SHIFT TO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THOSE VALUES HAVE GONE UP. ANY SENSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT? JUST SO WE'RE EXPECTING A BIG CHANGE, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. SO THAT SEEMS TO HAVE. SO IT'S NOT SHIFTING BACK AWAY FROM RESIDENTS. AT LEAST IT'S NOT CONTINUING TO. ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE DID PROPERTIES VALUED AT HALF A MILLION, 2,000,010 MILLION TO GIVE SOME DIFFERENT SCALES THERE FOR THE 3%. THROAT OF JUST GROWTH IN STATUTORY. THAT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT $141 PER PROPERTY. THAT'S VALUED AT HALF A MILLION. IT'S AN INCREASE OF $565 A YEAR FOR PROPERTY VALUED AT 2 MILLION, AND THEN $2,823 FOR PROPERTY VALUE OF 10 MILLION. AND THEN AS YOU ADD IN THE 1% OR POTENTIALLY 3%, AGAIN, THOSE NUMBERS GO UP. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT COMMERCIAL POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THESE TAX INCREASES? OKAY. I HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE FOR DIRECTOR CENTER, WHICH I HAVEN'T PREPPED HIM FOR. THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST THINKING OF OUR OWN BUILDING. RIGHT. AND THE ASSESSED VALUE THERE WOULD YOU SAY LIKE, LET'S SAY LIKE A CHICK FIL A OR RAISING CANE'S? WOULD THEY THEY WOULD BE IN THE $1,000,001.2 MILLION RANGE OF A OF A BUILDING ASSESSMENT. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU. I THINK THAT WOULD BE CORRECT BY THE VALUATION. I MEAN, JUST AND MAYBE, BRANDON, MAYBE YOU'RE ACTUALLY JUST AS. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, I GO BACK TO THE ASSESSORS. I THINK WE NEED TO ASK THIS. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK EVERY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, LIKE I'M TRYING TO THINK IS JUST UNIQUE ENOUGH THAT I THINK I'D LIKE SOME OF THAT. SO THERE ISN'T SOMETHING I MEAN, I JUST WHEN, WHEN I SAW THOSE NUMBERS, I TOLD BROOKE, I SAID, THAT'S SPOT ON TO OUR BUILDING. RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S THE TAXES WE PAY AND THAT'S HOW MUCH THE INCREASE WOULD BE. AND SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF A BALLPARK, THERE'D BE SOME FLUCTUATION QUITE A BIT. BUT I MEAN, WE DON'T. YEAH. BROOKS DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES? YOU DO RESIDENTIAL IN TERMS OF VALUATIONS. ARE THEY DO YOU GET AS MUCH INFO AS EASILY? NO. WE WE HAVE MORE DATA ON RESIDENTIAL. COMMERCIAL IS JUST SO ALL OVER THE PLACE. YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY WE JUST KIND OF PROVIDE THE RANGE BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A WIDE RANGE COMMERCIAL INCLUDES LIKE JUST SIMPLE REMODELS TO FULL CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S, IT'S A BROAD SPECTRUM. 
          IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE'RE CLOSER THOUGH, THAN WE THE OTHER, THE CIRCUIT BREAKER QUESTION AND THE HOMEOWNERS EXEMPTION IS ALWAYS INTERESTING. DID YOU INCLUDE THE HOMEOWNERS EXEMPTION IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? YES, YES. THAT WAS ASSUMING THEY OWNED IT. AND SO BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL. SO THE 375 HEADACHES WERE THE ACTUAL APPRAISED VALUE, NOT THE VALUE AFTER. CORRECT. WAIT. DO WE HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH. I JUST JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I HAD AN AIRBNB COME IN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE NO RIGHT FROM THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO REGULATE AT ALL THOSE, DO WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY THAT'S BEING THAT'S OWNED BY AIRBNB OWNERS AND RENTERS OR RENTALS? NO, I THINK THAT'S A FASCINATING AGNOSTIC TO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT. WHEN I SAY THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT, WE DON'T HAVE IT IN CODE AND WE DON'T WE DON'T PERMIT IT. WE DON'T DENY IT. SO THAT'S A KEY DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WE GET, RIGHT? SO ACTUALLY, FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT, HAVING PEOPLE NOT LIVE IN THEIR HOMES IS A REAL. YEAH. WE ALSO DON'T KNOW RENTALS AS OPPOSED TO 
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SIMPLE OPERATION, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT DATA. ANECDOTALLY, MY SON RENTS A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES. SO HE'S THE RENTER. MY SON RENTS A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN TOWN. 
          HE'S A RENTER. BUT THEN HE AIRBNBS THEM, RIGHT. SO HE'S NOT THE THE AIRBNB PERSON IS NOT THE OWNER IN MANY CASES. RIGHT. YEAH. INTERESTING. YEAH. HE'S GOT LIKE 18 PROPERTIES IN TOWN. YEAH. YEAH. THAT HE MANAGES. RIGHT. YEAH. HE RENTS AND, AND RENTS AGAIN. HE WORKS IN REAL ESTATE. YES. YEAH. AND HE SHOULD REPLACE SIDEWALKS. I THINK THAT'S HOW WE GO AFTER THIS IS TRY AND GET HOMEOWNERS TO RECOGNIZE THEIR ROLE IN REPLACING SIDEWALKS BECAUSE MANY TIMES THEY DON'T LIVE IN OUR TOWN. THEY DON'T KNOW THE CODE. AND SO THEY JUST HAVE COME IN AND ARE RENTING. AND SO I THINK SOME OF THAT IS CODE AWARENESS TO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T, WHO ARE JUST ACTING AS LANDLORDS. SO WHAT TRIPS FROM RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL ZONING IS THIS JUST SO SPLITS? IS THAT JUST. NO, IT'S NO, IT'S ACTUALLY BY ASSESSMENT. SO THEY TAKE IT BY THE ACTUAL LAND USE. SO IT'S NOT BY ZONING PER SE. SO WHEN THE ASSESSOR AND I'M NOT AN ASSESSOR, BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING JUST IN PAST LIFE IS THAT THEY CATEGORIZE IT BY WHATEVER CATEGORY THE COUNTY DOES THIS, THEY GO OUT AND THEY LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, HOW IT'S BEING USED, AND THEN THEY DESIGNATE. EXACTLY. YEAH, YEAH. AND IT'S NOT ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING CODE ALWAYS. IT'S SOMETIMES JUST ACCORDING TO THEIR FULL ASSESSMENT. SO DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE IF THEY HAVE DATA ON AIRBNBS. AND I MEAN DID THEY SAY THAT. NO WE DON'T LOOK AT OWNERSHIP SO WELL. WELL THAT'S THAT'S LAND USE. YEAH. SO SHORT ANSWER IS NO. WE DON'T TYPICALLY KNOW IF SOMEBODY RENTING THEIR PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO OWNING AND LIVING IN THE PROPERTY. BUT WHEN THE COUNTY'S ASSESSING THEM, I MEAN, WHOEVER OWNS THAT PROPERTY IS PAYING THE TAXES ON THAT PROPERTY. YES. THE I WHEN THEY RENT IT OR WHETHER THEY DO SOMETHING ELSE. I'M INTERESTED IN. YEAH. AND THE REASON WE DON'T AND WHY IT GETS CONFUSING IS YOU COULD HAVE AN LLC THAT OWNS A PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND RENTS IT OUT, BUT YOU ALSO COULD HAVE JOHN AND JOE CITIZEN THAT OWNS IT AND RENTS IT OUT. AND THEY OWN TWO PROPERTIES SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND YOU MIGHT HAVE AN LLC AND YOU. 
          OH YEAH. YEAH, YEAH, YOU COULD HAVE AN LLC AND YOU HAVE TRUSTS IN THERE AS WELL. BUT YES, SO THERE'S, IT GETS QUITE COMPLICATED. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASK THE COUNTY TO SEE THE DATA ON RESIDENTIAL THAT IS NOT GETTING THAT HOMEOWNER'S EXEMPTION, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SECOND HOMES POTENTIALLY WERE PRINTED OUT. GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF THAT RATIO. I LIKE THAT IDEA. WILL YOU PUT THAT AS A NOTE THAT WE WOULD ASK THEM FOR THAT. I LIKE THAT. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD. YOU'VE BEEN WITHIN 100 TO 200,000 USUALLY. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE IMMENSELY, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULD HELP YOU OUT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT GENERAL FUND SUPPORTED AREAS THAT HAVE FEES. MAYOR, DID YOU WANT TO PREFACE THAT CONVERSATION AT ALL? WELL, ONLY THAT THIS TAKES THE SAME TONE OF WE'RE LUCKY. WE'RE LUCKY THAT WE HAVE A FRONTIER CENTER. WE'RE LUCKY WE HAVE A ZOO. WE WANT RESIDENTS TO USE IT. WE ARE SUPPORTING IT THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND. AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE DECISION MAKERS TO KNOW WHAT THAT AMOUNT OF SUPPORT IS. HOW MUCH ARE WE SUPPORTING EACH ONE OF THESE OPERATIONS? IS THAT THE RIGHT AMOUNT? I DON'T THINK THAT TODAY IS REALLY THE DAY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. I THINK IT'S A CONTINUED CONVERSATION THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I DON'T THINK THAT DIRECTORS OR ANYBODY IS MAYBE PREPARED TO COME IN AND SAY, WELL, I CAN REDUCE IT TO 20% OR I CAN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE. I THINK IT'S ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL, GAINING THE KNOWLEDGE, HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD THROUGHOUT THE NEXT YEAR TO SAY, IS THIS THE RIGHT LEVEL AND HOW, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A PLAN TO LEGALIZE IT IF WE DON'T THINK IT IS OR IF WE THINK IT IS, THEN WE'RE FINE WITH IT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE FRAME OF THIS. WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE THESE ASSETS. ARE WE SUPPORTING THEM AND ARE THERE SOME MAYBE WE SHOULD NO LONGER SUPPORT? I MEAN, I, I KNOW I HAVE ONE THAT I WOULD SAY LIKE, WHY ARE WE STILL OWNING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? BUT IT'S NOT IT'S, IT'S NOTHING ANYBODY LOVES. I'LL JUST STAY LIKE THAT. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND BROOKS, THANK YOU. BUT THAT IS KIND OF THE FRAME UP OF IT IS THAT THIS IS WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE IT. AND IT ISN'T A DECISION FOR TODAY. IT'S IT'S MORE OF A LONG TERM. 
          HEY, SO YOU HAVE A SINGLE PAGE HANDOUT THAT IS TWO SIDED. IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT OR IN 
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YOUR SLIDES, IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH NINE DIFFERENT OPERATIONS. AND I WANT TO ORIENT YOU TO THE GRAPHS. THIS IS A SIX YEAR HISTORY OR FIVE YEARS OF ACTUALS, TWO YEARS OF BUDGET HISTORY OF THESE DIFFERENT AREAS. AS YOU SEE THE NUMBERS GOING UP. THAT MEANS THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT IS INCREASING. IF YOU SEE THE NUMBERS GOING DOWN, THAT MEANS THEY ARE MORE SELF-SUPPORTED FROM THEIR FEES. AND THEN IF YOU SEE ANY THAT ARE BELOW ZERO, THAT MEANS THEY ARE FULLY SELF-SUPPORTED. AND THEN ALSO POTENTIALLY SAVING MORE TOWARDS FUTURE CAPITAL, ADDITIONAL GROWTH OR SUPPORTING THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS. SO THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ACTUALLY ARE NEGATIVE IN THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT. WE ARE NOT SENDING ANY MONEY TO THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT OR FROM THE GENERAL FUND. SO FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THIS ONE, WE'VE GOT A NICE BLIP RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THAT THROWS THINGS A LITTLE OUT OF WHACK. WE HAD A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ESSENTIALLY IN THAT YEAR. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021, 22 AND 24, THOSE COSTS WERE COSTS OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WERE FULLY FUNDED BY THE FEES WE COLLECTED. BUT AS YOU SEE THE TREND OVERALL, IF YOU PULLED OUT FY 2324, IS THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT OVERALL INCREASING YEAR AFTER YEAR? SO THIS YEAR WE'VE PROPOSED A 5% INCREASE TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FEES. THAT'S THE PERMITTING FEES. THAT ADDS ABOUT 7000 IN REVENUE. IF WE STAY AT THE CURRENT LEVELS FROM THE HISTORICAL, WE'RE NOT SEEING A TON OF CHANGE IN ACTIVITY. WE'RE STILL VERY BUSY, BUT IT'S SHIFTED MORE TO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS NOT THOSE BIG DOLLAR PROJECTS. SO, BROOKS, THIS PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES THAT 5% INCREASE. CORRECT. THE BUDGET DOES THIS. 474 DOES THAT. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE PROPOSED 5% MAKES NO DENT. 
          ESSENTIALLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH OF A DENT. CORRECT. BUT WITHOUT IT YOU'D ADD 70 GRAND TO THIS NUMBER. CORRECT. WHAT AM I SAYING TO RESIDENTIAL? YOU'RE TALKING OWNER OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. UNDERSTOOD. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS THAT ARE $15 MILLION AREN'T RESIDENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT FITS IN THAT. RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. NO, WHAT WAS WHAT WAS CARRYING US WAS ACTUALLY THE APARTMENT CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL. SO WHEN SHE SAID SHIFTING, I BELIEVE. YEAH. THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I BUILT A HOUSE OR A DUPLEX OR SOMETHING. HOW MUCH IS THAT BLEND SHIFTING? WE WERE GETTING 5050. I KNOW AT SOME POINT, ARE WE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE APARTMENTS REALLY AREN'T BEING BUILT? HARDLY AT ALL AT THIS POINT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE'RE STILL SEEING A LOT IN THE FREE APPS, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY PULL PERMITS. AND SO I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU. YEAH. AND WERE WE KIND OF IN THAT WE WERE APPROACHING 60, 40, 50, 50 KIND OF ON RESIDENTIAL AND WE'RE YOU MEAN AT 6040 IN TERMS OF MULTIFAMILY COMPARED TO. YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE STILL PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY. 
          YEAH. AND 60, 70 MOSTLY IT'S TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES IS WHAT WE SAW. THE BIGGEST BLIP. YEAH. 
          IT WASN'T FULL ON BECAUSE OF AFFORDABILITY OF THOSE. YES. IT'S EASIER TO BUILD AND YOUR RATE OF RETURN IS A LOT BETTER. AND THERE'S AFFORDABILITY. PEOPLE ARE BUYING THEM. WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE AS WELL. YEAH. AND I HAVE JUST FOR YOU, MICHELLE, ONE OF MY STAFF CURRENTLY IS LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT RATES. WE JUST DID THE 5% JUST TO PUT SOMETHING THERE. 
          BUT BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MARKET TO SEE WHAT THAT CHANGE FOR APARTMENTS OVERALL. BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST DID A 5%. AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IMPACT. THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS THE THE STAGNATION OF REVENUES DOES IMPACT THE IMPACT FEES. DOES IT? THEY ARE RELATED. BUT YEAH, THIS IS JUST THE OPERATING. 
          YEAH. SO WOULD IT BE A SIMILAR GRAPH REALLY. NO, NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW THE FRONTIER CENTER. 
          SO WE'VE HAD A DECREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. THEN WE HAD OUR FRONTIER EXPANSION. SO WE HAVE THE LOBBY PROJECT EXPANDING SINCE 2425 AND THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. SO YOU SEE IN OUR ADOPTED BUDGET, WE EXPECTED LOWER REVENUES. AND ALSO WE HISTORICALLY DON'T SPEND THE FULL BUDGET IN THIS PROJECT OR IN THIS BUDGET BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THE BUDGET IS CAPACITY FOR WORK ORDERS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED, TRANSFERS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED TO OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE CREW OR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, OR REPLACING SOMETHING THAT'S BROKE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE INCREASE IN 25, 26 THAT HAS THE BLIP THERE 
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IS MORE, PRIMARILY DUE TO THE DECREASED EXPECTATION OF REVENUES BECAUSE OF THE REDUCED ACTIVITY AT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING CLOSED. YEAH. WELL, IT WAS IT WAS OPEN SORT OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE HAD SOME OF OUR REGULARS OPT TO NOT HAVE A SHOW OR PERFORMANCE, AND THEY WERE USING SOME OF THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT WERE EITHER IN AMMAN OR, YOU KNOW, MOUNTAIN AMERICA CENTER IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS LIBERALIZE OUR FEES. IT USED TO BE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO WHERE A PERFORMER COULD CALL AND NEGOTIATE A FEE. WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND STABILIZED ALL THOSE FEES. SO EVERYBODY IS IN A THREE TIERED STRUCTURE. SO THAT IS LEVELIZED AND HAS BROUGHT IT UP TO MORE FAIRNESS. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS OF OVER $200,000 IN REVENUE BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS BASICALLY THE SAME PLAYING FIELD WITH OUR LOCAL PATRONS, WHICH IS MORE OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR DANCE GROUPS, OUR CHOIR GROUPS, THEY HAVE THAT BENEFIT OF BEING LOCAL. AND THEN SOME OF THESE OUT-OF-STATE PERFORMERS THAT COME IN, THEY HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER OF A RATE TO UTILIZE A LOCAL FACILITY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD ON IS, AS MAYOR BURTENSHAW HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE IS DONE A BENCHMARKING STUDY. WE WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH IDAHO ARTS COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THE OTHER VENUES AROUND THIS AREA, NOT ONLY IN SOUTHEAST IDAHO, BUT IN UTAH AND IN WYOMING, AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE SIMILAR PERFORMANCES. WE DO THAT BENCHMARKING STUDY EVERY THREE YEARS, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WE WERE DUE THIS YEAR TO DO IT IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET YEAR, BUT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IT NEXT YEAR. SO WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF HOW WE COMPARE WITH OTHER LIKE FACILITIES IN OUR 2728 BUDGET. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE FEES AS WELL, AND WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING, IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, AND THAT IS, IS WE CAN COME BACK AND PRESENT THAT WITH THE BENCHMARKING STUDY. RESULTS ARE ONCE WE GET THAT COMPLETED, WHICH WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT TO BE COMPLETED IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIME FRAME. AND DOES THIS INCLUDE THE CONTRACT WE HAVE WITH THE ARTS COUNCIL? AND THEN IT ALSO. DID WE INCREASE FEES BECAUSE OF A NEW FACILITY AT THIS POINT? DID WE OR IS THAT STILL WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE STUDY? YOU'RE TRYING TO DECIDE IF YOU SHOULD INCREASE OR CORRECT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID ADD TO THIS UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR IS JUST A WITH THE EXPANDED LOBBY, A FEE FOR THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAID, OH MY GOSH, I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO GET DONE BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE A REUNION OR I WANT TO HAVE A WEDDING, OR I WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES. AND SO THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BE RENTED OUT, PROVIDED THAT THERE'S NOT A SHOW IN THE AUDITORIUM. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF PERHAPS TOUCH AND GO WITH WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN HAVE EVENTS THERE AND THAT JUST THAT LOBBY AREA. AND THEN DID THE CHANDELIER COME, IS THAT IN? YES, YES IT DID. IT DID COME IN. IT DID GET INSTALLED. WE ARE CONSIDERING TWO, TWO LITTLE SMALL LIGHTS AND THEY'RE JUST ON BACKORDER. BUT ONCE WE GET THOSE WE'LL GET THAT IN AND EVERYTHING WILL BE 100% COMPLETE. THERE'S A FEW PUNCH ITEMS, PUNCH LIST ITEMS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH DIRECTOR CANFIELD ON, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT HAS BEEN WELL USED SINCE THE DOORS OPENED, SO THAT'S GOOD. IF YOU REMEMBER, I WE IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FRONTIER CENTER WHEN IT WAS CIVIC AUDITORIUM, WE WERE BOOKED A LITTLE OVER 188, A LITTLE OVER 180 DAYS A YEAR. 
          AND SO IT'S WELL USED AND IT CONTINUES TO BE WELL USED. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ABOUT IT. IS THAT OUR ANTICIPATED USE RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 180 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR, IF NOT MORE. YEAH, A LITTLE MORE. YEAH, A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE HAVE CONTRACTS THAT ACTUALLY WE HAVE PEOPLE RENT OUT THE FACILITY FIVE YEARS IN ADVANCE. SO WE ARE BOOKED UP PRETTY MUCH. 
          AND THEN YOU GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO BOOK IT AND THEN THEY IT'S ALREADY BOOKED. SO IT'S, IT'S WELL USED AND PEOPLE KNOW THE PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET ON THE CALENDAR TO USE THAT FACILITY. THANK YOU. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HIGHLIGHTED THIS, BUT EACH OF THESE CHARTS, THE DOLLARS OF THE GENERAL FUNDS ARE ON THE LEFT. THE PERCENT THAT IT SUPPORTED IS ON THE RIGHT. SO THE LINE IS THE PERCENT. SO IF YOU'RE SEEING THAT STAY RELATIVELY STABLE, THAT MEANS THE PERCENT ISN'T CHANGING, BUT THE AMOUNT MAY BE CHANGING OVER TIME. FRONTIER. WHAT'S THE REVENUE OF THE ONE YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE APPROACHING 70 OR 80%. SO IS THE REVENUE. I THINK WE BUDGETED 580. WE BUDGETED 191,000 THIS YEAR FOR BOTH PATRONS AND DISTRICT USE IF THE DISTRICT DECIDES TO USE IT. BUT. AND THAT'S WITH FEE. 
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THAT'S INCLUDED FEES WITH FEES, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE STILL ON THE THREE TIER SYSTEM THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURE GOES, THE ADDED FEE FOR THE USE OF JUST THE LOBBY ONLY, THE LOBBY EXPANSION ONLY. AND FINALLY, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A BENCHMARKING STUDY TO SEE HOW OUR FEES COMPETE WITH SURROUNDING VENUES, AND WHAT IS THE FEE FOR THE CLUB. I BELIEVE WE HAVE IT IN THERE RIGHT NOW AT 250, $25, 250 AND THEN $25 EACH ADDITIONAL HOUR. AND THAT'S REALLY TO COVER CLEANING TECH TIME, SET UP, TAKE DOWN, GETTING THE VENUE READY FOR THE NEXT PERFORMANCE. I PAID A THOUSAND. YEAH. AND ONE THING I DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT IS THESE ARE ONLY OPERATIONAL COSTS THAT THE GENERAL FUND IS SUPPORTING, BECAUSE THE CAPITAL HAS BEEN COMING TO COUNCIL AS APPROVED, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO SKEW THE NUMBERS. SO THESE ARE JUST THE OPERATIONAL COSTS AS WELL. SO WHEN WE DO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT OPERATIONALLY OFTEN. BUT JUST ON THE REVENUE SIDE, NOT THE EXPENSE SIDE. AND THEN AS MAYOR MENTIONED, THESE ARE OUR COMMUNITY ASSETS. SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT WAY TO SAY WE HAVE THESE ASSETS. YOU'RE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING SOME FUNDING THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES TO THESE THINGS. SO IT'D BE GREAT TO GO TO SHOWS AND GO USE THESE PROGRAMS. AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WE INCLUDED THIS IN THE, IN THE. BUILDING, MURPH, THE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. 
          CAPITAL REPLACEMENT FUND. YEAH. RIGHT NOW WITH THE WITH THE MURPH IS THE CD THAT WE HAVE ABOUT $20,000 A YEAR THAT'S SET ASIDE AND WE'VE BUILT UP A PRETTY HEFTY BALANCE. IF SOMETHING DOES GO WRONG. AGAIN, WHAT WE PRESENTED IT TO COUNCIL YEARS AGO WAS TO SET UP THE MURPH TO REPLACE THOSE SEATS, BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG TICKET ITEM. THAT WAS OVER HALF $1 MILLION ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO. I WANT TO SAY 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO. YEAH. SO THE FEE STRUCTURE INCLUDES PUTTING MONEY IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE, PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT, OR WE WE CHARGE A DOLLAR FACILITY FEE PER TICKET. SO THAT THAT IS REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO LIKE, MAYBE NOT PER CONTRACT, IF YOU WILL. THAT PUTS IT INTO THAT MURPH ACCOUNT TO KIND OF HELP WITH BUILDING UP THAT FUND FOR REPLACEMENTS. IS THERE ANY PLAN TO DO THE BATHROOMS IN THE BASEMENT AND THE DRESSING ROOMS? YOU KNOW, THE DRESSING ROOM TALKING ABOUT THE BACK END OF THE HOUSE? YEAH, THE COMMITTEE ACTUALLY, THE FRONTIER CENTER COMMITTEE WILL BE MEETING NEXT MONTH. THERE IS SOME INITIAL DISCUSSION OF THE COMMITTEE WANTING TO GET TOGETHER TO LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. YEAH, WE'VE DONE A FEW REFRESHES OF THE RESTROOMS IN THE BASEMENT. VERY LOW COST, NO COST TYPE IMPROVEMENTS. AND WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF REALLY NICE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. 
          FRESH PAINT, LIGHTING, SOME FIXTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THE SHOWSTOPPER IS THOSE BATHROOMS IN THAT LOBBY EXPANSION. YEAH, THAT PEOPLE HAVE REALLY ENJOYED THAT, THAT ADDITION THAT WE FLOODED THE BACK PERFORMANCE BATHROOMS AND THE SHOWERS. AND SO THAT GOT REWORKED. BUT YES, WE WERE ABLE TO RESTORE THAT THROUGH OUR INSURANCE BECAUSE OF THE MAY I WANT TO SAY IT'S MAY 23RD FLOOD. YEAH, IT WAS A BIG DEAL. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE BACK IN OPERATIONAL ORDER. OKAY. FOR OUR ANIMAL SHELTER, YOU CAN SEE A BIG DROP IN THE AMOUNT IN OUR PROPOSED BUDGET. THAT IS JUST A SHIFT OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. TO OUR PATROL SIDE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGE STAYS THE SAME YEAR OVER YEAR, BUT OVER TIME, THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT HAS KIND OF GONE UP OVER TIME. AND THEN OUR PROPOSED BUDGET IS STARTING TO REDUCE THAT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ANIMAL SHELTER? RIGHT NOW? ON TO OUR PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS. SO THIS IS OUR RECREATION GROUP. YOU CAN SEE THE WE HAVE SOME BLIP YEARS AND WE'LL HAVE SOME EXPLANATIONS FOR THAT. SO THIS IS THINGS LIKE OUR BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL, SOFTBALL, THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. AS YOU CAN SEE IN 2324, THERE'S A BIG DIP IN THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT. WE IMPLEMENTED A NEW FIELD USE FEE THAT HAD AN OFFSET. ALSO, WE HAD SOME REDUCED STAFFING OR STAFFING TURNOVER. SO THERE WAS A BIG BLIP THAT YEAR. BUT THEN IT GOES BACK TO IS THAT ALSO THE YEAR WE DIDN'T HAVE TOWN RATE. DID WE GET. YEAH. YEAH. 
          WELL THAT WAS YEAH. WHEN WE REALLY STARTED TO LOOK AT HIGHER RATES FOR NONRESIDENTS. 
          YEAH. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET AND THEN NEXT YEAR'S PROPOSED BUDGET, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SELF-SUPPORTING. A LOT OF THAT GOES TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. SO 
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THAT'S PJ AND HIS ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF RECREATION MANAGER. THOSE ARE ALL IN THEIR OWN DIVISION. I THINK THAT SPEAKS ALSO TO GETTING FEES RATE RIGHT. ISN'T THAT A LOT OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE? I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO SAY FOR A LOT OF YEARS, WE TRIED TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS LOW AS WE COULD AND KEEP IT JUST AFFORDABLE FOR FOR ALL. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS OBVIOUSLY AS INFLATION AND COSTS HAVE GONE UP, WE'VE HAD TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. AND AS WE HAVE, WE'VE REALLY KIND OF RELOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THAT NONRESIDENT RATE AND REALLY THAT THEY SHOULD BE I USED TO SEE, LOOK AT OUR RATES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHERE OUR RESIDENT RATE WAS THE COST. AND THEN WE KIND OF DINGED NONRESIDENTS. AND REALLY, AS WE STARTED TO KIND OF REALLY LOOK AT THOSE NONRESIDENTS ARE THE FEE AND IT'S A BENEFIT TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND YOU SHOULD GET A DISCOUNT TO LIVE HERE HAS REALLY CHANGED THE WAY THAT ALL OF OUR STAFF HAS REALLY. I MEAN, THAT'S A SIMPLE THING THAT WE YOU KNOW, BUT JUST HAVING THAT MINDSET CHANGE HAS REALLY HELPED US BE OKAY WITH, WITH GOING SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER FOR NONRESIDENTS AND WHICH IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN OUR FEES FOR OUR PROPOSED FEES FOR NEXT YEAR, AS WELL AS WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT. IT'S NOT A DING. IT'S A BENEFIT TO LIVE IN THE CITY OR TO LIVE NEAR THE CITY. YEAH. WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T GET A RESIDENT CARD. SO I'M SAYING, BUT IT'S STILL A BENEFIT TO THE BENEFIT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEY SHOULD BE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. THE THING IS, WE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE NEXT FEW SLIDES TO JUST KEEP IN MIND, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT ANY ABOUT ANY ONE SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE LAST TWO YEARS, THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR 2526 AND THEN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 2627. THIS IS ALL ABOUT REVENUE AS WELL, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE SEE THESE DECREASES. BUT KEEP IN MIND THIS IS STILL BUDGET AND NOT ACTUAL. SO THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURE IS STILL HIGH. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE IS YOUR REVENUE AND BEING ABLE TO USE THE ERP. BECAUSE OVER TIME, THAT NUMBER COULD EASILY BE RIGHT UP THERE AT THE 10% IF THE REVENUE DOESN'T APPEAR. SO JUST KEEP IN MIND THOSE THE DASHED BAR CHART IS BUDGET AND PROPOSED BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING. RIGHT. AND WITH THE PROPOSED AMOUNT FOR 2627, WE'RE EXPECTING 92,000. IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE OPERATIONAL COSTS ARE. BUT THAT IS THINGS THAT WE COULD SAVE FOR FUTURE REPLACEMENTS OF CAPITAL, LIKE THE BLEACHERS OR THE BASKETBALL HOOPS. IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THOSE PROGRAMS THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A GENERAL FUND. ASK EVERY YEAR IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME EXCESS FROM THE FEES. OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE AQUATIC CENTER. OH, SORRY. OH, AQUATIC CENTER. SO YOU'LL SEE A BLIP IN FY 2122. THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE THE PROJECT. SO WE HAD LOWER REVENUES THAT YEAR RATHER THAN THE NORMAL REVENUES WE WOULD HAVE HAD. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MORE STABLE LINE BECAUSE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE FACILITY WAS NOT BRINGING IN THE SAME REVENUE. WE WERE CLOSED COMPLETELY CLOSED FOR FOUR MONTHS. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF BEEN A STEADY INCLINE THERE FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER. WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE ARE PROPOSING SOME INCREASED FEES FOR NONRESIDENTS ON THE AQUATIC CENTER SIDE AND HOPING TO KIND OF MAKE UP SOME OF THAT GAP OF THAT INCREASE IN THAT GENERAL FUND. SO FOR CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? IS THIS SIMPLY JUST THE FEE REVENUE? AND IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED IN THESE CHARTS WITH THE COST OF THE CENTERS. SO THERE'S NO THIS IS KIND OF THE NETTING. SO THE GENERAL FUND IS PICKING UP THE NET. SO IT'S ALL GOOD, ALL THE OPERATIONAL COSTS. IF YOU TAKE THE AQUATIC CENTER ON 2526, IT SAYS 633 FOR 96. IS THAT THE TOTAL REVENUE COMING IN OR IS THAT THE NET? NO, THAT'S HOW MUCH THE GENERAL FUND IS HAVING TO SUPPORT OF THEIR OPERATIONS. I MEAN, I ALWAYS THINK OF IT LIKE IF A HALF $1 MILLION TO RUN THE AQUATIC CENTER FOR THE I MEAN, BEYOND, RIGHT. THAT'S HOW MUCH WE'RE SUPPORTING IT. YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST SAID IT'S EXACTLY WHAT MADE IT CONFUSING. 
          BUT THE RESIDENTS BEYOND THE FEE PAYERS TAX BASE IS PAYING HALF $1 MILLION FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER. SO WHAT WOULD OUR OUR USER FEES HAVE TO BE TO MAKE THAT NET ZERO? WE HAVE KIND OF SOME ANALYSIS THERE, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THIS ONE IS WHAT PERCENT OF THIS 55. IT'D BE ABOUT A. 15, 14, 15% INCREASE, RIGHT. DOUBLE YOU DOUBLE YOUR FEE. YEAH. NOT QUITE. BUT YEAH, GOT TO GET TO 100% AND 96% INCREASE TO BE 100. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE ABOUT SEVEN BUCKS. YEAH. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. NINE FOR NONRESIDENTS, SEVEN FOR 
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RESIDENTS. SO NINE FOR NONRESIDENT, SEVEN FOR RESIDENT. SO WHAT IF WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN IF WE RAISED OUR NONRESIDENT FEE TO IF WE DID DOUBLE IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT, BUT NOT QUITE DOUBLE. BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MAYBE 1314 FOR NONRESIDENTS SEVEN. AND AND THAT 50% IS REFLECTIVE OF THE OF THAT INCREASE WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT THERE. NO, NO, THAT'S SO THIS PRE PRE THE PROPOSED INCREASES PRE PROPOSED INCREASE. PART OF THAT IS DUE TO WHEN YOU CHANGE THE FEE YOU MIGHT HAVE A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR AS WELL. SO WE DON'T WANT TO ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO GET WAY MORE REVENUE. NO I WOULD ASSUME YOU WOULD. YEAH. BUT IT MIGHT BE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS TYPICALLY A POOL WILL WILL BE ABOUT 50% SUBSIDIZED FACILITY. JUST ABOUT ACROSS THE BOARD. YOU'LL HAVE THAT'S WHAT YOU FIND. OKAY. IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE A SEASONAL, SOMETHING LIKE A REXBURG RAPIDS, YOU'LL SEE THAT INCREASE A BIT MORE THAT THEY CAN COME. THEY CAN HAVE COST RECOVERY BY HITTING THOSE. I MEAN, THEY'RE EVEN AT CAPACITY EVERY DAY, TURNING PEOPLE AWAY BY ABOUT NOON. AND EVEN THOSE EVEN REXBURG RAPIDS IS NOT QUITE 100% COST RECOVERY. THEY ARE SUBSIDIZED STILL. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CHARGE IS? I'M JUST I KNOW THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USES, BUT I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WHAT DO WE KNOW? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR USERS ARE CITY RESIDENTS AND NOT CITY RESIDENTS? I COULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE THAT. I DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY WITH ME. BUT YEAH, MOST OF OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE THAT WE. SO WE'VE STARTED LOOKING AT A LOT OF OUR USER GROUPS, WHICH KIND OF TEND TO MIRROR MOST OF OUR, OUR USERS AS WELL. IT'S ABOUT A 6040 SPLIT OF RESIDENTS TO NONRESIDENTS. SO WE ARE. SO I'D SAY 60% WOULD PROBABLY BE A DECENT GUESS ON. I JUST, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE LIKE THE SWIM TEAMS, PARTICULARLY FROM THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MOST OF, I MEAN, MOST OF THEM ARE FROM OUT OF TOWN, RIGHT? SO WE SO JUST FOR, FOR SWIM TEAMS, FOR INSTANCE, HIGH SCHOOLS, THEY WERE ALL PAYING ABOUT $13 A LANE PER HOUR RIGHT NOW THAT'S WE'RE JUST ABOVE THAT FOR A CITY OF IDAHO FALLS RESIDENT. SO DISTRICT 91, DISTRICT 93, WE LOOK AT PERCENTAGE OF ABOUT 11% CITY RESIDENTS. SO THEY GET A SMALL DISCOUNT FROM THE FROM THE NONRESIDENT RATE. BUT NONRESIDENTS, RIGBY HIGH SCHOOL, THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT $29 AN HOUR RIGHT NOW PER LANE. SO THEY'VE THEY'VE HAD TO PICK UP A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THEIR ATHLETIC PROGRAMS. BUT IT IS. HOW DOES IT CHANGE THEIR USE? IT HAS REALLY NOT CHANGED THEIR USE, THEIR. IT'S MAYBE GIVEN A LITTLE MORE USAGE TO THE MORE OF THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS WHERE THEY PICKED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO OUR USAGE ACROSS THE BOARD HAS STAYED ABOUT THE SAME, BUT IT MAY HAVE SHIFTED SLIGHTLY BASED OFF OF THAT FOR, FOR OUR KIDS TO GET MORE TIME. REXBURG RAPIDS IS IN COUNTY IS $8, COUNTY IS TEN RIGHT AROUND THE SAME. SO IT'S COUNTY FUNDED THEN VERSUS VERSUS REXBURG. THANK YOU. THEY DID A REC LEVY OF SOME SORT. SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE TIED TO A COUNTY LIVING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ON TO THE SKATING RINK. SO SKATING RINK HAS BEEN ALMOST SELF-SUPPORTED ENTIRELY. LAST FISCAL YEAR WE ADDED STAFF TO THAT FACILITY TO HAVE A YEAR ROUND MANAGEMENT OF IT. AS WE WERE WORKING TOWARDS HAVING PICKLEBALL INSIDE, WE DIDN'T SEE THE REVENUES KIND OF COME TO FRUITION FOR THAT. AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE LOOKING INTO MAYBE SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS INDOOR SOCCER, BECAUSE THERE'S INTEREST FROM THOSE LEAGUES TO HAVE IT HELPED IN THEIR CENTER OR MAYBE THE SKATING RINK. IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE'S A PICKLEBALL FACILITY BEING BUILT WITH IT. I KNOW 300FT OR SOMETHING. YES, IT HAS BEEN. 
          IT'S BEEN MIND BLOWING FOR US TO SEE WHAT WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S IF IT'S $3 RATE TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL GO TO MCCOWAN COMPLETELY FULL. YOU GO TO LINCOLN COMPLETELY FULL, YOU'LL COME TO THE TO THE ICE RINK, AND THEY'LL MAYBE BE ONE COURT BEING USED. WE PUT IT OUT ON EVERY PICKLEBALL PAGE WE CAN FIND EVERY METHOD WE CAN. AND THEN HERE THEY ARE BUILDING THIS NEW ONE ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE 100 OR MORE PER MONTH TO BELONG TO, AND PEOPLE WILL PAY IT. SOMETIMES IT'S THAT PERCEPTION, RIGHT, OF, OF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS $3, IS IT A LESSER EXPERIENCE? EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY THAT INDOOR SPORTS IS INTERESTING, BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS NEW GLASS, THE NEW ICE THAT'S YEAR ROUND THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE REFRIGERATION. I MEAN, YOU WOULD USE YOUR NORMAL ICE FOR THE WINTER, BUT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A RINK THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE COULD ALMOST PUT IT IN AND DO A DOUBLE. I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STARLIGHT SKATING. THEY PLAYED 
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FUTSAL A LOT IN THERE. THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'LL SEE. SO WE'LL HAVE THE ARENA, THE GLASS THAT WOULD STILL STAY UP THE BOARDS AND THE GLASS WOULD STAY IN, BUT IT WOULD BE FROM WHAT WE'RE FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING TALKING TO LEGAL LATINA AND SOME OF THE OTHER USER GROUPS, THEY SAID WE WILL WE WILL RENT ALL THE TIME. YOU HAVE. WE WOULD WE WOULD BE IN THERE AND AN OPEN GYM TO AFTER THE WORLD CUP. LIKE ALTHOUGH NOBODY'S KEPT WATCHING THE WORLD CUP THE LAST TWO AT THE END OF THAT. BESIDES THE. OKAY, THE ACTIVITY CENTER, YOU'LL SEE IN 2425, WE HAD A DIP IN THE SUPPORT. THAT WAS MOSTLY DUE TO KIND OF TURNOVER IN STAFF. JUST THE SKYLINE. YES, YES. AND THEN IN 25, 26 AND 2627, WE HAD OUR STAFFING FULL AGAIN AND PROPOSED TO BE FULLY STAFFED. WE ARE EXPECTING A DROP IN SOME OF THE REVENUES, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE EXPENSE WE'VE SHIFTED TO MOVING TO DURING BUSINESS HOURS ACTIVITIES ONLY SO THAT OUR STAFF ARE NOT HAVING TO DO OVERTIME, WHICH IS OUTWEIGHING THE COST THAT WE'RE RECOVERING THROUGH THOSE FEES. COUNCIL. THIS IS ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER DIVESTING OURSELVES OF. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE IT REALLY BENEFITS THE CITY. AND I MEAN $200,000 IN SUPPORT. 
          AND WE'RE AT OVER 80% GENERAL FUND. I JUST I WOULD I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER WHAT I MEAN. I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME IMPLICATIONS TO IT. I KNOW WE COULDN'T SELL IT OR WHATEVER, BUT MAYBE WE COULD ASK SOME CONGRESSIONAL HELP TO GET RID OF IT AND SEE IF WE CAN USE IT FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE OR SELL IT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR. $300,000 A YEAR IS A LOT OF MONEY. CAN WE SELL IT? WE CAN'T SELL IT. YEAH. SO IT'S SO IF AND WHEN WE'RE NOT READY TO UTILIZE IT ANY LONGER FOR PARKS AND RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS AND OR OFFICES, IT DOES HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT WAS THROUGH THE ASSET RELIEF PROGRAM. BUT IN ORDER TO GO BACK TO THEM, WE HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK TO THEM WITH IT MITIGATED FROM ANY ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES LIKE ASBESTOS. SO WE KNOW IT HAS SOME ASBESTOS IN IT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ABATE THAT BEFORE WE GET IT BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS. IT DOES IT IS LAID OUT PRETTY CLEARLY IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT IT IS FOR PARKS AND RECREATIONAL OFFERINGS, COMMUNITY OFFERINGS AND OR OFFICES, SPECIFIC KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE. BUT MAYBE WE'RE ON A ROLL WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE IN LCFF COMPLIANCE. MAYBE. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD JUST THINK FOR LIKE $200,000, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THERE? WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR? WHAT, WHAT IT'S REALLY STAFFING IS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PAYING. SO THEY ARE ALSO JUST SO EVERYBODY IS 100% CLEAR THAT THE STAFF THAT WORK OUT OF THERE ARE ALSO SUPPLEMENTING WORK OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THEY HELP WITH EVENTS, THEY HELP WITH CUSTODIAL, THEY HELP WITH JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE OF THE COMMUNITY. ALSO BASED OUT OF THERE IS OUR CHEMICAL DIVISION AS WELL AS OUR WEEDS AND STUFF. SO WHAT PERCENTAGE THEN OF REALITY THEN OF THIS OF THAT 193 IS BEING IS OUTSIDE OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER, I THINK, I THINK THE STAFF IS ABOUT 140 000 OF THAT. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN BECAUSE LISA, YOU'RE SAYING 200,000 THAT THAT THAT THAT MIGHT BE TRUE. BUT IF WE HAVE TO STILL HAVE THESE PEOPLE AND PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WE'RE STILL PAYING, THEN IT'S STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH. LIKE THAT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING, MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS IN MAINTENANCE AND RUNNING, RUNNING THE ACTIVITY CENTER. NO. SO YEAH, IT USED TO BE A BIT MORE WHEN WE'D RUN, MOSTLY HAVING WEEKENDS AND NIGHT TYPE OF RENTALS IN THERE WHERE WE'VE KIND OF IT WAS ACTUALLY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY OFFLOADING THIS FACILITY IS WHEN WE KIND OF WENT TO A, WHAT IF WE WENT TO BUSINESS HOURS ONLY SO WE COULD BRING IN SOME OF THAT COST OF STAFFING. AND THAT'S KIND OF LED US TO KIND OF, I GUESS, WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD CHANGE THIS FROM BEING THE ACTIVITY CENTER FEE SUPPORTED, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY FEE SUPPORTED. IT'S STAFF. THAT'S PARKS AND REC STAFF. YEAH, YEAH. ALMOST LIKE A PARKS AND REC OFFICE. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER. THEN IT'S REALLY NOT A OFFICER TO. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. BEFORE THIS I'D NEVER REALLY CONSIDERED THIS KIND OF A YOU KNOW AS A FEE SUPPORTED. YEAH. AS A PART OF THE PART OF THE PARKS PART OF THE BUDGET. 
          YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ON TO ZOO AND FUNLAND. WAIT, WAIT. MAYOR, I HAVE A COMMENT ON A QUESTION ABOUT THE ACTIVITY CENTER. YES. DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT IT COULD BE A COMMUNITY? 
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SERVICE OR SOME KIND OF LIKE, CAN IT CHANGE ITS USE? AND UNDER THAT FEDERAL PROGRAM, CAN WE. THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE. THERE IS A COMMUNITY SERVICE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN. WE CAN GO TO SOME TO A THIRD PARTY, BUT IT IS THERE MIGHT BE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON COMMUNITY SERVICES OF SOME SORT, BUT IT IT'S LITERALLY CALLED OUT AS IT'S GOING TO THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS FOR A FOR PARKS AND RECREATION OFFERINGS AND OR PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICES IS HOW IT'S WHAT WAS IT? HOW DID WE GET IT? IT WAS AN OLD IT WAS A NAVY FACILITY. YEAH. THEY HAD AN ACTIVITY CENTER THERE TO RENT CROSS COUNTRY SKIS AND RAFTING EQUIPMENT. AND THERE'S A FIRING RANGE IN THE BACK FOR THE TO THE SAILORS, IT'S WHERE THEY TAUGHT HUNTER SAFETY. ANY OF THAT TYPE OF SAFETY. YEAH. BACK WHEN WE HAD THE NUKE PROGRAM HERE. YEAH. SO YEARS AGO THAT HAD WANTED TO GET A FAMILY JUSTICE CENTER. AND WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THAT. AND JIM WAS INVOLVED. AND COUNCILWOMAN FRANCIS, THEY ARE TAKING ANOTHER REALLY GOOD LOOK AT THAT, A JUSTICE CENTER IN OUR AREA. SO MAYBE WE CAN EXPLORE SOME OF THAT. I THOUGHT THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY FALL INTO PARKS AND RECREATIONAL OFFERING, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEHOW MORE OF A LESS OF, I GUESS, MORE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND QUALITY OF LIFE. WHO DO WE CONTACT TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE AN EXCEPTION? I THINK I THINK WE CAN GET ON THAT. I THINK IT CAN. YEAH. I THINK WITH THAT, YEAH, AMY TAYLOR'S THE ONE WHO'S REALLY HEADING UP THE POTENTIAL OF A JUSTICE CENTER NOW. AND SHE'S GOT ALL THOSE CONTACTS WITH RICH AND JUST FOR KIDS. LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THE MOST TOWARDS THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. AND MAYBE THAT'S TRUE FOR ALL OF THIS, FOR WHAT IS PAYROLL VERSUS WHAT'S THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL COST OF HAVING THAT BUILDING, I THINK, YEAH, THE PAYROLL PROJECTION FOR THIS UPCOMING BUDGET IS 170,000 OF THE 223. THE REST IS OPERATIONAL COST OF THE BUILDING AND PROGRAMS. 173 OF 223 IS. OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO ZOO AND FUNLAND. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT OF THIS HAS REMAINED PRETTY STEADY OTHER THAN OUR TWO BUDGETED YEARS. THOSE DROPS IN SUPPORT ARE EXPECTED BECAUSE OF THE FUNLAND REVENUES THAT WE'RE HOPING TO COLLECT. WE'VE HAD THE FUNLAND OPEN THIS WHOLE SEASON. WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 12,000 A MONTH, WHICH IS ALMOST 12,000 A WEEK, OR SORRY, 12,000 A WEEK, WHICH IS DOUBLE WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. BUT THE PROJECTION WE PUT IN FOR THE BUDGET WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT 35000 A WEEK. SO WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THE BUDGETED AMOUNT, BUT WE ARE DOING BETTER THAN LAST YEAR. SO THE REVENUES AND EXPENSES KIND OF HAVE TO ADJUST ON THAT OR FUNLAND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT COMING IN, BUT WE'RE EXPECTING THAT AMOUNT IS ABOUT 390,000 THAT WE'RE SHORT IN REVENUE EXPECTED FOR FUNLAND. 
          IS THERE IS THERE ANY KIND OF A WHERE IT'S NEW? I REMEMBER READING STATS YEARS AGO ABOUT WHEN YOU START SOMETHING NEW, IT TAKES ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS TO SEE WHERE IT'S GOING TO LEVEL OUT. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT TO THIS THAT THE THAT THE 12 WE'RE GETTING NOW ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THAT, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH? OR IS IT JUST I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY IDEA. ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT ON GIVING IT ANOTHER YEAR. WE'VE HAD TWO HALF YEARS WITH BROKEN DOWN EQUIPMENT, WITH OPENING HALFWAY THROUGH WITHOUT HAVING A CAFE. THIS IS OUR FIRST YEAR TO SEE EVERYTHING. AND SO WE'RE WE WANTED TO KIND OF LOOK AT THIS YEAR AND THEN GIVE IT ANOTHER YEAR OF MARKETING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SPACE IN THE BACK THAT WE'RE UTILIZING SOME GRANTS TO, TO GET CLEANED UP, BUT THAT WILL BE CORPORATE RENTABLE SPACE OR BANQUET AREA THAT WILL BE, WE THINK WILL BE A LARGE DRIVER TOWARDS THAT. WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT ON THE BACKSIDE WHERE THE OLD ADMIN BUILDING IS KIND OF RIGHT NEXT TO SOFTBALL DRIVE. THERE'S KIND OF AN OLD AMPHITHEATER RIGHT THERE. WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE WORK WITH OUR, OUR ARTS PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO POTENTIALLY MAKE THAT THAT PART OF THE PLAN FOR FUNLAND WOULD MAKE THAT INTO AN AMPHITHEATER. THAT WOULD TIE INTO ALL OF THAT TOGETHER TO KIND OF CREATE MORE OUTDOOR, USABLE RECREATIONAL SPACE FOR COMPANY OUTINGS AND FAMILY GATHERINGS AND THINGS. AND I'M NOT ASKING COUNCIL FOR ANY MONEY FOR THIS, BUT I HAVE SOME FEELERS OUT TO TRY AND GET THE MINI GOLF BACK. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THE MINI GOLF WAS PART OF THE WHOLE PLAN AND IT WAS A REVENUE GENERATOR. SO I THINK THAT I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SOME CHANCE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO LIKE PHYSICS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT IT FROM A PHYSICAL STANDPOINT TO SAY, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF WE LET THEM SPONSOR? I THINK MINI GOLF IS A REVENUE GENERATOR. YES, TOTALLY. YES. BUT I THINK 
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ANOTHER REVENUE GENERATOR WOULD BE BUYING AN ELECTRIC TRAIN THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PARK, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING THROUGH COMMUNITY. THAT I LIKE THAT, AND I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT A FEW TIMES, BUT MAINLY LOOKED AT IT WITH TRACKS. NOW WITH THE NEW STYLE THAT COMES WITH TIRES, I THINK IT THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, I'M AWARE OF A VENDOR WHO'S SELLING THEM TO THE BERRY FARMS AND ALL THE BIG. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DOING THEM FOR. AND THEY'RE GETTING FEES MAKING DOLLARS. SO I THINK THIS IS SUCH A NATURAL FEEL FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOT SO MUCH. TREE, YOU KNOW, BUT SO 12,000 A WEEK IS IN REVENUE. WHAT'S OUR EXPENSES? THE LANDSLIDE I HAVEN'T WE'RE JUST NOW BREAKING THAT OUT. YOU'RE BREAKING. THE BRICKS. SO I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING. MAYBE I'LL MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT. THE. THE I GUESS THE, THE PROPOSED GENERAL FUND SUPPORT HERE IS 1.3 MILLION OF IT JUST FOR THE ZOO AND 390 FOR FUNLAND. IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? OR 65, I BELIEVE WAS EXPECTED REVENUE. SO 309,000 IS WHAT WE'RE SHORT ON. BUT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO 308 $390,000 SHORT OF THE LAND, 1.3 SHORT ON ZOO 309 NOT 390 209. YEAH, BUT 1.3 MILLION. THAT'S THE PART. YEAH. 1.3 MILLION ON ZOO. YEAH. PJ WHAT'S WHAT ARE WE CHARGING A RESIDENT VERSUS NONRESIDENT AT THE ZOO? JUST FOR THE ZOO? 812, 12 FOR NONRESIDENTS AND EIGHT, I BELIEVE. YEAH, 50% HIGHER. AND WE ARE AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO TAKE THAT 12 UP TO 14 AND 14 AND TEN FOR THIS. I STILL THINK WE SHOULD BE AT LEAST A MOVIE TICKET. I MEAN, WE'RE UNDERSELLING. ARE THE ATTENDANCE NUMBERS STILL VERY GOOD? YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT. ABOUT ONE 140 A YEAR. WHERE HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ANNUAL PASS VISITORS VERSUS UNIQUE VISITORS? BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY AN ANNUAL I HAVE HOW MUCH LIKE FOR A FAMILY OVER $100 FOR A FAMILY ANNUAL PASS. RIGHT. HE GOES OFF AND YOU CAN GO AS OFF. THAT'S MY POINT. GRANDPARENTS PASSES WHO ARE WHO ARE COMING LIKE EVERY WEEK. YEP. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M CURIOUS IS OF OUR REVENUE, WHAT PERCENTAGE IS FROM THE ANNUAL PASS VERSUS THE UNIQUE VISITORS, THE ANNUAL PASSES ALL GO TO THE TPS TO THE TOUGHEST PARK ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY, WHICH THEN GETS PUT BACK INTO THE ZOO THROUGH CAPITAL, A CAPITAL BUILD EVERY YEAR. AND SO LIKE, THE MONEY'S NOT PART OF THE REVENUE. NO. 
          YEAH. SO ANNUAL PASSES ARE NOT PART OF THAT AT ALL. OKAY. BUT DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR VISITORS OF THE 140 VISITORS ARE ANNUAL PASS VISITS VERSUS UNIQUE? THAT'S WHAT I'M AFTER. I HAVE THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME. CAN YOU GET THAT TO ME WHEN YOU HAVE A MOMENT? YEP. THANK YOU. YEP. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE ZOO? JUST A QUESTION, PJ THIS AND THIS. I AGAIN, I PREFACE THIS WITH YOU AT ALL, BUT AND SO FEEL FREE TO SAY I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. BUT LIKE, IF WE'RE SO WE'RE AT 117, INCLUDING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. IF WE IF COUNCIL WERE TO SAY, HEY, WE GOT TO WORK TOWARDS. I'M GOING TO THROW A NUMBER OUT THERE, LET'S SAY $1 MILLION SUBSIDIZE. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO FACILITATE $1 MILLION OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND VERSUS ONE SEVEN? SO I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT, AND WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON IT LATER. BUT FOLLOWING UP, I WANT TO PLANT THAT SEED JUST AS A THOUGHT TO GET DOWN TO A MILLION. WE'RE PROBABLY IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A BIT OF STAFFING. THAT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH. ONE OF THE HARDER PART, ONE OF THE HARD PARTS FOR THIS, AND I KNOW ALL OF US HAVE VERY TOUGH BUDGETS TO, TO TRY TO MANAGE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IS THAT OUR REVENUE DOESN'T COME TO THE VERY END OF THE BUDGET INTO THE BUDGET YEAR, RIGHT? THE LAST THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS OF THE YEAR IS WHEN ALL OF OUR. AND SO IT IS IT'S HARD TO TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CUTS, NOT KNOWING QUITE WHAT OUR SHORTFALLS ARE GOING TO BE. BUT IF WE KNEW, AND I'M NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT THAT BE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M SAYING IF WE WERE TO LOOK OUT TO SAY, HEY, WE THINK THAT. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST USING A NUMBER, RIGHT. BUT IF WE WERE TO SAY, HEY, WE THINK THE GENERAL FUND SHOULD SUPPORT THE ZOO. BUT IN REALITY, YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT ZOOS OF COMPARABLE SIZE, WHAT'S THE KIND OF THE FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT DO THAT? AND IF WE THOUGHT, OKAY, MILLION FILLS, RIGHT? BASED ON WHAT OTHER SIZES? ZOOS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, MAYBE IT'S ONE, TWO, MAYBE IT'S ONE FIVE, MAYBE IT'S ONE SEVEN. RIGHT? WE'RE SPOT ON. BUT IF IT'S A MILLION, WHAT DOES THAT 
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LOOK LIKE? WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE ON THE REVENUE SIDE, ON THE STAFFING SIDE AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO THAT OVER, LET'S SAY IT'S A FIVE YEAR TARGET AND WE SAY, HEY, IN FIVE YEARS, WE WANT TO BE AT THIS PERCENT BEING FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND. I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY WELL RECEIVED FROM FROM MY DEPARTMENT AND FROM THE ZOO. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS AS AS DOCTOR PENNOCK AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO KIND OF WORK ON HOW TO HOW TO UP OUR REVENUES AND KEEP OUR EXPENSES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE REALLY LOOKED AT IS, IS IF, IF WE COULD SEE AN EXACT NUMBER OF WHERE WE NEEDED TO GET TO, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN FIX THIS PROBLEM. THAT'S I HEAR YOU DIDN'T REALLY EXIST BEFORE OR, OR IT'S KIND OF ALWAYS FELT THE SAME. BUT NOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S TO A POINT OF, HEY, YOU NEED TO END THAT OR YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO REVERSE THAT. IF THERE WAS A WAY TO SAY IN A FEW YEARS, THIS IS WHERE YOU GOT TO GET TO, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL START GETTING SPONSORSHIPS MORE. WE'LL START HITTING. THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE THAT THAT DIRE STRAITS. WE WOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, I WOULD THROW THIS OUT THERE TO GET TO A MILLION LESS FROM THE GENERAL FUND. CURRENTLY, THE REVENUE COMING IN IS ABOUT 1,000,006. 
          FOR FEES, WE WOULD NEED TO INCREASE FEES BY ABOUT 67% OVER THAT FIVE YEARS TO GET TO ROUGHLY THE SAME AS THE AQUATIC CENTER. LIKE WHAT ARE YOU SUPPORTING AT 50 TO 60% OF ALL OF OUR. AND THEN OUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSE BUDGET IS 3.3 MILLION. WE'D HAVE TO CUT THAT BY 1.3 MILLION TO GET DOWN TO THAT MILLION LESS IN SUPPORT. OKAY. ALSO, THOUGH, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, THE AZA ACCREDITATION IS A CHOICE THAT THIS COUNCIL MADE 80S. AND BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY DEAD, UGLY, HORRIBLE ANIMALS THAT IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE IN THE ZOO, OR WERE THEY NOT GOING TO BE IN THE ZOO. AND THE AZA ACCREDITATION IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE A HIGHER PAYROLL COST. AND I THINK I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE WANT TO KEEP SO THAT WE ARE HUMANE AND WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS. 
          AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS YEAR ROUND REVENUE CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN. DOCTOR PARK HAS A PLAN WITH THAT. TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE CAN GO INTO THIS, BUT BUT THAT NEW THE FOUR ACRE PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT. YEAH, THERE'S THERE IS REVENUE OPTIONS THERE TOO. BUT I MEAN, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. I LOVE OUR ZOO. YES, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE OUR ZOO. I JUST LOOK AT THAT AS THE TAX BURDEN OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND ON OUR RESIDENTS AND SAY, WELL, OKAY, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN CHANGE THE FUNDING MECHANISMS IN ORDER TO HAVE A BETTER REFLECTION OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN COMPARABLE ZOOS? AND MAYBE AND IF WE'RE THERE, THEN MAYBE MY IDEAS ARE FROM OUT THE WINDOW. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I'VE ALSO BROUGHT UP TO DAVID HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE ZOO WORLD, CONSERVATION AND CONSERVATION WORK IS A REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL. AND SO IT'S, IT'S ABOUT NOT ONLY HAVING ANIMALS THAT YOU CAN HAVE ON DISPLAY IN A, IN A, IN A, IN THE RIGHT KIND OF FASHION. BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT CONTRIBUTING TO MAKING SURE THAT THAT EXTINCT ANIMALS OR ENDANGERED ANIMALS ARE HAVING RESEARCH AND MONEY PUT TOWARDS THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IS, I MEAN, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S MANDATED BY AZA. TYPICALLY, AZA LIKES TO. YOU GET YOU GET POINTS OR YOU GET KIND OF YOU GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER RECEPTION IF YOU'RE PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS CONSERVATION. BUT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT SOMETHING THAT IS A IS A HAVE TO. AND SO SOMETHING THAT IF WE WANTED TO WORRY ABOUT OUR ANIMALS HERE, OUR, OUR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU HAVE HERE AND NOT LOOK AT THAT AS A GLOBAL IMPACT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO TO POSSIBLY CUT SOME, SOME. I THINK AS COUNCIL, WE GIVE YOU THOSE TARGETS AND YOU GUYS CAN PRIORITIZE ACCORDINGLY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DECIDE SHOULD BE CHANGED AND WE WILL SUPPORT IT. BUT I THINK PROBABLY STARTS WITH US. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIRECTOR, THAT'S WHAT I'VE TALKED TO, DAVID AND I KIND OF BUTT HEAD SOMETIMES WITH THIS AS A DIRECTOR. I LOOK AT IT GOING, ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE COULD MAYBE PULL BACK ON A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TO SOMEBODY WHO'S GONE INTO THAT WORLD AND CHASE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR DEGREE AND WORK THEIR WAY UP THROUGH LITTLE ZOOS TO GET TO THE MEDIUM SIZED ZOO OR THIS OR THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF IT GOES AWAY, THEY WILL BE GONE IMMEDIATELY. AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL FIND, YOU'LL GET A CALIBER OF EMPLOYEE THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          YOU'LL GET A BUY IN THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT IS A, IT'S NOT JUST A CUT CONTRIBUTIONS OR CONSERVATION AND EVERYTHING'S HUNKY DORY. IT WOULD BE SOME BIG CHANGES FOR US AND, AND THE OVERALL PERCEPTION OF THE ZOO. SO I'M GOING TO KEEP BRINGING IT BACK TO THIS TO AS THE ERP WRAPS UP AND FINANCE COMES BACK HOME, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I KEEP THINKING. THEY COME BACK HOME. THERE'S OPPORTUNITY HERE. I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE IN FINANCE RIGHT NOW ARE SO WELL POSITIONED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS BUDGETS BECAUSE OF THE ERP. I THINK THAT THERE THAT AS AN INTERNAL CITY SERVICE, THAT'S THE KIND OF SERVICE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO OFFER TO OUR DIRECTORS. YOU 
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DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH EVERYTHING ALL ON YOUR OWN. HERE'S THE NUMBERS. HERE'S HOW YOU KNOW THAT. HERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT THAN IT IS REALLY A SERVICE THAT FINANCE WILL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT IT, NOT JUST ABOUT BLACK, WHITE, RIGHT? SO FOR SOME REASON, WE JUST STARTED CARVING OUT FUNLAND AND THEN WE WENT LIVE, RIGHT AS WE STARTED ACTION. SO I DON'T HAVE THE DATA AT MY FINGERTIPS YET, BUT WE WILL. I ALSO THINK THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES THAT COULD REALLY HELP IN ALL THE RECREATION WORLD, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE KIND OF USED TO THAT MODEL AND A ZOO OR FUNLAND PASSES THAT YOU PAY FOR ALL YEAR AT $20, AND THEN YOU HAVE MORE PREDICTABLE REVENUE AND YOU CAN DO MORE ON THE PAYROLL. AND YEAH, SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO BETTER PROBABLY AS A DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT KIND OF ALL ENCOMPASSING MEMBERSHIP OR WHAT? IT'S JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE IN DIFFERENT FUNDS. WE HAVE SOME COMING FROM. IT'S BEEN THAT'S A DIFFICULT THING TO, TO DO, BUT IT'S SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY WE SHOULD. CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD. WE'LL GET SOME GET SOME INTERNAL SUPPORT THERE. OKAY. OUR LAST AREA IS OUR CEMETERY. THIS OPERATION IS PRIMARILY FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND. WE ADDED NICHE WALLS AT 2324, BUT OUR REVENUES HAVE BEEN RELATIVELY STEADY. OUR EXPENSES CONTINUE TO GROW. ABOUT HALF OF THAT BUDGET IS PERSONNEL AND THE REST IS OPERATIONAL COSTS. SO IT'S TAKING CARE OF THE GROUNDS AND CHEMICALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS ONE THERE'S NOT MUCH HAPPENING. WE DID HAVE THE INCREASE THAT HAPPENED IN 2223. WE HAD ROAD REPAIRS AND THEN STARTED TO ACTUALLY BUDGET FOR THOSE. SO WE HAVE CAPACITY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CEMETERIES. DOES THIS INCLUDE THE FORESTRY? IS THAT IN THE CEMETERY? NO. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE IT'S IN PERPETUITY. ONCE YOU NEVER GOES AWAY, GOES AWAY. OUT OF CURIOSITY, IF WE KNOW THIS, DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OF RESIDENTS THAT WHO, WHO STILL LIVE IN THE CITY, THAT HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO HAVE PASSED AND ARE BURIED THERE? I DON'T KNOW, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE NUMBER TO ASCERTAIN, BUT I WONDER, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IS YOUR LINE OF THOUGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE LIKE ARE LIVING IN THE CITY ARE PAYING THIS RIGHT TO GO AND VISIT THEIR, THEIR FOLKS WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR FAMILY? YEAH. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. BECAUSE THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S A TAX BURDEN BY PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE IN THE CITY. BUT A 10%, I'M JUST THROWING OUT NUMBERS OF ONLY TEN. NOT THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO TO CHANGE IT, BUT IT'S JUST IT'S A LARGE BURDEN. IT'S A POINT. IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S NOT BE SUPPORTED ANYMORE AT ROSE HILL, ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S FULL, YOU'RE NOT GETTING MORE FEE. RIGHT? RIGHT. BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PLOTS ARE SOLD. IT IS AN INTERESTING POINT HERE. JUST THE COST OF BEING A CITY. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF WHAT. WELL, NOT ONLY IS THERE NOT MUCH REVENUE, BUT IT'S NOT JUST MAINTENANCE EITHER, BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF GRAVES THAT ARE STILL EMPTY IN THERE THAT WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK AND PUT MONEY INTO. WELL, WE HAVE SOME TECHNOLOGY NEEDS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE RECORDS AREN'T WE ACTUALLY, WE'VE INVESTED IN THAT. YEAH. SO AND THAT WAS WHAT MARGARET WAS SAYING WAS MAYBE THAT MIGHT, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME CAPABILITIES TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF COME UP WITH SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THOUGH THAT AREN'T THAT HAVE NO RELATIVES HERE THAT COME BACK EVERY YEAR. I'M SURE EVERYONE HERE, THERE'S A COUPLE NAMES THAT MIGHT COME TO MIND LIKE THAT. WE GET WE GET CONTACTED EVERY YEAR AT, AT MEMORIAL WEEKEND OR JUST AFTER THAT OF HOW DISAPPOINTED THEY ARE IN EITHER THE LOOK OR THE MAINTENANCE OR MAINTENANCE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH PLOTS, OR ONCE YOU BUY THE PLOT, THAT'S IT. 
          YOU NEVER PAY AGAIN. SO HOW DOES IT WORK? I'M IN. I'M ASKING FOR AN INCREASE TO THAT. 
          IT'S BEEN IT'S $200 IN FOR A PERPETUITY FOR A PERPETUAL GRAVESITE FEE. AND THAT'S MAINTENANCE ONLY $200, 200 BUCKS. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO MOVE THAT TO 300. STAFF'S A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THAT ALREADY. THAT BIG OF A JUMP BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IT'S LIKE $700 TO GET TO BE BURIED, $200 FOR THAT IN THAT THAT FEE IN PERPETUITY. IT'S, IT'S WHY YOU SEE, THERE'S SOME TRENDS RIGHT NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF CEMETERIES GOING TO GETTING RID OF ALL IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AND ALL, ALL TURF AND JUST GOING TO A MORE OF A, IT'S NOT EVEN A HARD SCAPE, MORE OF JUST AN UNDEVELOPED, YOU'RE MORE OUT IN A FIELD AND YOUR FAMILY CAN COME IN AND DO SOME MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS THE WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE IF YOU GO THROUGH ROSE HILL, SOME FOLKS FORGET THAT THEY THAT THOSE PLOTS ARE OWNED BY THE FAMILY. IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY. IT'S ACTUALLY EVERYONE HAS THEY HAVE A DEED TO IT. AND SO WE CAN'T GO IN AND MOVE LIKE THERE'S A BIG TREE GROWING THROUGH AND YOUR HEADSTONE IS ABOUT TO TIP OVER. 
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THAT'S THAT IS NOT A CITY THING. THAT IS A THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR PROPERTY OR THAT GRAVE OWNER HAS. AND SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE THE MOLE OR THE VOLE ISSUE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT EVERYBODY REMEMBERS HEARING FROM AT, AT FIELDING CEMETERY WHERE THAT'S HARD BECAUSE WE USUALLY DON'T WE DON'T CLEAN UP HEADSTONES. AND THAT FOR MEMORIAL DAY, WE WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP THE GRASS AND THE TREES AND EVERYTHING MAINTAINED. BUT AS FAR AS THOSE INDIVIDUAL PLOTS, THAT IS THE OWNER OF THAT PLOT, THAT THAT THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF A FUNNY, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE $200, 200 BUCKS FOR PERPETUITY. YEAH. IF WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE GOING UP, I HAD PROPOSED 500 TO MY STAFF AND THEY WERE LIKE, WOW, THAT'S, THAT IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH ONE. WOULD YOU CONSIDER NOT A PERPETUAL ONE, BUT AN ANNUALIZED ONE THAT COULD BE INCREASED EVERY EVERY YEAR? THAT'D BE TRICKY TO ADMINISTER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BUILD THAT PERSON'S FAMILY, GO UNDER. A LOT OF PLACES WILL COLLECT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE A FAMILY. AND WHAT'S YOUR TURNOFF? YEAH. WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S YOUR DOWN PAYMENT? I MEAN, WHAT'S YOUR DOWN PAYMENT? WHAT DO YOU SAY, CHIEF? WHAT IS THE DON'T ASK ME WHAT'S YOUR ENFORCEMENT THERE, BRANDON, ARE THERE ANY PLOTS IN HERE IN ROSE HILL THAT HAVE NOT HAD SOMEBODY BURIED IN THEIR SOUL? OH YES. YEAH, PROBABLY. AND THEN I'D SAY, IS THERE A BLACK MARKET FOR THOSE. THERE'S THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A BLACK MARKET. THERE'S DEFINITELY A, THERE'S A SECONDARY SECONDARY PEOPLE BUY. PEOPLE WILL BUY BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT, THEY PAID $200 FOR IT. RIGHT. WELL, THEY'LL PAY USUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S 700 BUCKS FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR PLOT AND THEN THE OTHER YOU PAY AT THE TIME. BUT YOU SAID 200 A MINUTE AGO. NO, NO, NO. OKAY. AND IT'S THE MAINTENANCE IS 200 FOR THE WHOLE FOREVER. OKAY. 
          YEAH. SO YOU'D PAY THAT ONCE YOU GET BURIED, ONCE YOUR FAMILY MEMBER GETS BURIED AND THEY PAY THAT AND THAT'S FOREVER. BUT BUT YOU BUY THE PLOT IN THE FIRST PLACE IS HOW MUCH? 700 TO 900, I THINK, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE IT IS. AND THEN AND THEN YOU CAN SELL THAT TO SOMEBODY ELSE FOR, FOR WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU WANT. SO IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO, WE TOOK OUT AN OLD ROAD AT ROSE HILL AND PUT PUT, I CAN'T REMEMBER, 130 MAYBE SPOTS UP ON FOR SALE. AND IT WAS ANNOUNCED AND IT WENT UP FOR SALE. AND I THINK WITHIN 30 MINUTES, EVERY ONE OF THEM WAS BOUGHT. AND A LOT OF THOSE GET BOUGHT UP BY PEOPLE TO BUY AS MANY AS THEY CAN SO THAT THEY CAN EITHER SELL THEM LATER OR THE SO, SO WOODS HAS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST OWNERS OF. AND SOME OF THE OTHER. AND AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY RULES ON THAT. IT'S LIKE PRIVATE EQUITY FIRMS BUYING HOUSES. WE JUST LET PRIVATE BUY ALL THE BURIAL PLOTS. THAT'S CALLED THAT'S CALLED GOVERNMENTAL OVERREACH. SOME SOME PEOPLE USE IT LIKE LAND BANKING. I KNOW THEY DO. THEY BUY A LOT. I ALREADY BOUGHT OUR PLOT FOR MY WIFE AND I, AND THE LAW WHERE WE BOUGHT THEM IS THAT YOU CAN NEVER SELL THEM BEFORE YOU BOUGHT THEM FOR. 
          SO YEAH, LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE REGULATING THIS A LITTLE MORE THAN WE ARE. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WITH THE CEMETERY. REMEMBER THAT CEMETERY IS INITIALLY THIS IS JUST URBAN PLANNING. THAT WAS THE FIRST PARK. AND SO THE FIRST CEMETERY WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE WEST OF BOSTON. AND THAT WAS INITIALLY USED AS GREEN SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC. SO IT'S BEEN VERY COMMON THAT CEMETERIES ARE OFTEN SEEN IN THE SAME VEIN. IT'S JUST PARKS. YEAH, YEAH. I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. DO WE ALLOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ASHES TO BE BURIED IN A PLOT WHERE THERE'S ALREADY. YES. SO SO WE ALLOW UP TO THAT'S REGULATED. THERE'S I THINK YOU CAN HAVE THREE IN A SINGLE SPOT. SO I THINK IT'S ONE BURIAL, TWO CREMATIONS OR. YEAH. DO THEY PAY FOR THAT CREMATION. THAT IS A IT'S A VERY MINIMAL FEE BECAUSE OF BECAUSE YOU ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT I THINK IT'S $130 OR SOMETHING TO DO IT. IN ADDITION, DO THOSE HAVE TO BE IN SOME KIND OF A CEMENT? THERE ARE SOME RULES ON THAT. IT DOESN'T MATTER. I JUST. WELL, I THINK UNDER THE. YEAH, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT. I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE, THIS IS FOR ME, I LOVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE HAVING IT. WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE, OH, GOSH, $700,000 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG THAT'S A BIG AMOUNT. I AGREE WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY WE COULD DO TO CHANGE UNLESS WE KIND OF, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME TRUE SYSTEMATIC CHANGES IN OUTLOOK ON HOW WE WANT TO. ARE THERE PRIVATE FIRMS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING CEMETERIES IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. LOTS OF. THERE ARE LOTS OF CEMETERIES THAT ARE RUN PRIVATELY, I DON'T KNOW. I'VE HEARD OF CITIES SELLING THEM TO A PRIVATE COMPANY. I HAVEN'T. BUT I HAVE TO SAY I'VE NEVER EVEN RESEARCHED. HOW COULD WE, THOUGH, IF WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE LOTS ANYMORE? WE'VE DEEDED THEM ALL TO THE INDIVIDUAL. YEAH, THEY WE DON'T OWN THEM. SO WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE 
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OBLIGATION. WE DON'T EVEN OWN THE ASSET. BUT I AT LEAST LIKE SOME OF THE IDEA OF, OF TELLING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FUNERAL HOMES OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN'T SELL THEM FOR MORE THAN WHAT YOU BOUGHT THEM. THIS IS NOT AN INVESTMENT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GETTING A 5% ROI, YOU'RE CREATING AN INVESTMENT. EXCEPT EXCEPT IS THERE, I MEAN, IS THERE REALLY THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT? IF IF, IF YOU WANT YOUR FAMILY TO BE. IT TOOK MY DAD FIVE YEARS TO BUY PLOTS BECAUSE HE LIVES RIGHT BY THE CEMETERY IN THERE. AND IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE A VERY NICE FRIEND OF MINE FOUND OUT ABOUT SOMEBODY. I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE HE WOULD NEVER HAVE WON IF IT WEREN'T BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF ACTION. I HAD BUT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. SO NO, I DON'T. I THINK PEOPLE WANT THEM. AND I THINK THAT. THAT STUFF. YEAH, YEAH. OH. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS WOULD LIKE TO TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE CEMETERY. SORRY. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, GENERAL FUND SUPPORT FOR THE CEMETERY MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE CEMETERY AS A WALKING PATH, AND YOU SEE IT MORE AND MORE IN ROSE HILL, SINCE IT'S ALL PAVED, YOU KNOW, THANK THE PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS WHEN WE PAVED ALL THE ROADS AND AND ROSE HILL AND DID THAT CONNECTION TO THOMAS, A LOT OF PEOPLE WALK THERE. SO IT'S A COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT DIRECTOR STANTON WAS GETTING AT EARLIER. 
          MIKE, THE REASON FOR CEMETERIES IS MORE THAN JUST BURIALS. I RIDE MY BIKE TO WORK. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ACTUALLY STRUGGLED ON PROGRAMING. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT SOCCER OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. BUT BUT LIKE, I MEAN, EVEN EVEN THE MUSEUM DOES TOURS, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC OR GHOST TOURS OR WHATEVER, AND LIKE, LIKE COUNCILMAN FRANCIS WAS SAYING, THERE'S, YOU USED TO NEVER, EVER SEE ANYBODY WALKING IN, IN ROSE HILL. AND NOW MY STAFF WILL SAY EVERY, NO MATTER WHAT TIME IN THE MORNING, OR IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A GOOD START POINT FOR FOLKS TO GET INTO OFFICE OR WHATEVER. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE CARS BECAUSE OF THE ASPHALT PAINTING, YOU THINK, AND THE CONNECTION, FRANCIS WILL SAY THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PARK AND THAT MADE A HUGE. I GO THROUGH THERE. I SAY IT 4 OR 5 TIMES A WEEK, PROBABLY ON MY BIKE. IT'S JUST ONE OF THE WAYS, AND I AGREE WITH ALL I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE POINTS BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. NO, WE'VE GOT A NEW REVENUE STREAM WE NEED TO TALK TO MARGARET ABOUT THAT. SO YOU'VE GOT SOME CONCEPTS FOR THE CEMETERY. SO WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO OUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS AND THE REQUEST THAT THEY HAVE FOR CAPITAL AND OPERATIONAL THINGS. THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE FUNDED. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THEM IN SUMMARY SO THAT WE KNOW IF YOU WERE TO PUT THE BUDGET AS IS, THIS IS THINGS THAT YOU WOULD BE APPROVING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OR PURCHASE. SO IN YOUR PACKET THERE SHOULD BE AN EIGHT PAGE. THAT'S THE UPDATED LISTING OF ALL THE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS. 
          THIS INCLUDES ANY PRIOR YEAR CARRY FORWARD ITEMS. SO THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY OR PURCHASES THAT ARE IN PROCESS THAT WON'T BE HERE BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OR COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH. AND ALSO IT INCLUDES OUR OBLIGATIONS FOR DEBT AND LEASE PAYMENTS. ANY PERSONNEL CHANGES THAT ARE NEW, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO GO THROUGH THE FUNDED CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF EXISTING FUNDS. AND I WANTED TO GO OVER JUST QUICKLY THE BREAKDOWN OF OUR TYPES OF FUNDS, JUST SO IT'S CLEAR WHY WE'RE SPLITTING UP SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. PUBLIC WORKS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE EVERY TYPE OF FUND, OUR TYPES OF FUND, WE HAVE OUR GENERAL FUND THAT IS THE MOST DISCRETIONARY. SO THAT'S WHERE OUR PROPERTY TAXES AND OUR STATE SHARED REVENUES END UP. THE REVENUE SOURCES IS WHAT REALLY DRIVES THE TYPE OF FUND THAT WE HAVE. SO OUR GENERAL FUND IS DISCRETIONARY. 
          YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH IT ESSENTIALLY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR POLICE OR FIRE OUR PARKS, OUR COST ALLOCATING DEPARTMENTS LIVE IN OUR GENERAL FUND AS WELL. SO THAT'S OUR MAYOR, LEGAL, HR, I.T. FINANCE, THOSE TYPES OF DEPARTMENTS. THEN WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS. THIS IS WHERE YOU GET A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTED. SO THESE ARE REVENUES THAT HAVE SPECIFIC FEES OR SPECIFIC RESTRICTED SOURCES OF REVENUE. SO OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT. YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, ARE THERE ANY IS THERE ANY PROPERTY TAX MONEY THAT ENDS UP BEING THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND BECAUSE IT'S CATEGORIZED? YES. SO ALL THE MONEY THAT COMES FROM PROPERTY TAX DOESN'T NECESSARILY END UP IN THE GENERAL FUND PER SE. YEAH. THE WAY THAT WE ADOPT OUR LEVY, WE ALLOCATE SPECIFIC AMOUNTS TO THOSE SPECIFIC SPECIAL. YEAH, IT'S STREETS, LIBRARY, RECREATION, AND THEN OUR PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL. WE ALSO ALLOCATE SOME MONEY TO THAT AS WELL. SO OUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS HAVE RESTRICTED REVENUE SOURCES LIKE THE LIBRARY FEES WE COLLECT IS EXPECTED TO BE USED TO OPERATE THE LIBRARY, OUR STREETS, HOSPITAL MONEY THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE IS RESTRICTED TO YOU 
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CAN SPEND ON STREETS, NOT OTHER THINGS. AND THEN OUR RECREATION PROGRAMS, WE'RE CHARGING OUR PROGRAMS OUT. WE'RE CHARGING OUT THOSE FEES TO THE USERS. THEY'RE EXPECTING TO PAY FOR THAT PROGRAM. SO IT'S A RESTRICTED REVENUE SOURCE THAT ISOLATES IT AS A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. ALSO, OUR EMS, WE HAVE EMS FEES FOR THOSE TRANSPORTS. THOSE GO TO A SPECIAL FUND, AND THEN YOUR OPERATIONS CAN RUN OVER. AND THEN WE SUPPLANT IT WITH GENERAL FUND REVENUES. WHEN IT DOESN'T FULLY COVER THOSE SERVICES. THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT. YOU CAN HAVE RESTRICTED FUNDS IN THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY OPERATE THAT FUNCTION. SO YOU CAN KIND OF MOVE THINGS INTO A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. IF THERE IS A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE, YOU ALSO NEED TO INSPECT THE GENERAL FUND. BUT THAT'S A LITTLE LESS COMMON BECAUSE IF IT'S A IF IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY SUPPORTED BY REVENUE SHOULD BE A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS. THESE FUNDS ARE GENERALLY EXPECTED TO KIND OF COME AND GO WITH A CAPITAL PROJECT OR A MAJOR INITIATIVE OR A DEBT FUNDED INITIATIVE. BUT WE HAVE A WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF THEM THAT WE HAVE SOME DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCES FOR THOSE CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS. WE ADOPT A LEVY THAT FUNDS SOME PUBLIC WORKS INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE A STREET CAPITAL FUND THAT WE USE FOR GRANTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO STREETS. AND SO THEY FUND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN WE JUST IMPLEMENT THEM OR INCLUDE THE MATCH TO MATCH THOSE GRANTS. WE ALSO HAVE A TRAFFIC CAPITAL FUND. WE HAVE A CAPITAL FUND, BUT WE DID THE FIRE STATION IN. AND THEN IF WE HAD A FUTURE STORAGE FACILITY OR TRAINING FACILITY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THAT FIRE CAPITAL FUND. WE HAVE THE ZOO CAPITAL FUND BECAUSE EVERY ADMISSION WE CHARGE A SURCHARGE THAT'S TOWARDS CAPITAL. AND THEN ALSO DONATIONS SPECIFIC FROM THE TPCS, THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY WILL GO TO THAT FUND TO FUND THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. AND THEN ON GOLF, EVERY FEE THERE, WE ALSO HAVE A SURCHARGE THAT GOES TOWARDS GOLF CAPITAL THAT'S CURRENTLY PRIMARILY BEING USED FOR THE IRRIGATION PROJECT THAT WAS DONE A FEW YEARS AGO. BUT ANY EXCESS CAN ALSO GO TOWARDS CAPITAL PROJECTS OR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE. SO THOSE ARE OUR DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTAL FUND TYPES. THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS. THOSE ARE THE FULLY FEE SUPPORTED AREAS THAT ARE CUSTOMER BASED ESSENTIALLY. SO THAT'S OUR POWER, OUR WATER, SANITATION, SEWER, AND THEN THE AIRPORT. THOSE FUNDS SHOULD BE SELF-SUPPORTED AND SHOULD HAVE FEES THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THAT PURPOSE. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON JUST THE GENERAL STRUCTURE. BUT PUBLIC WORKS, AS I SAID, IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. THEY HAVE GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS WITH OUR ENGINEERING, OUR PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION, GIS FORMERLY, AND THEN WE HAVE TRANSIT IN THERE. THEN WE HAVE A STREETS FUND, WHICH IS A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND, BECAUSE WE HAVE DEDICATED REVENUES FROM THE STATE FOR STREET OPERATIONS. THEN WE HAVE CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ENTERPRISE FUNDS WITH WATER AND SEWER. SO THAT'S ONE THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY PUBLIC WORKS IS FUNDED IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT WAYS. OKAY. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT STRUCTURE BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE GOVERNMENTAL PROJECTS? ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE EIGHT PAGER THAT HAS ALL THE FUND REQUESTS, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE NEW THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING OPERATIONALLY. AND THEN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND PART OF THIS IS WHEN WE GET TO THE END, WE ONLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT OVER MONEY THAT'S DISCRETIONARY FOR PRIORITIZED ADDITIONAL ASKS. BUT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ALL THE THINGS WE ACTUALLY ARE PLANNING TO DO WITH THIS BUDGET, BECAUSE WE HAVE A $380 MILLION BUDGET PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, 229 MILLION OF THAT IS OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, AND THE REST IS OUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. SO WE ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH THAT. BUT IT'S TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS. SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE NEW ASKS AND THE NEW CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY PLANNING TO BE DONE, IN ADDITION TO JUST MURF REPLACEMENTS AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENTS AND THOSE PRIOR YEAR ONES THAT ARE GOING TO GET COMPLETED. SO OUR FIRST AREA IS OUR POLICE RESPONSE, DETECTIVE, IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE ADDING BECAUSE IT IS WE'RE PLANNING TO ADD BECAUSE IT IS FUNDED BY OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS AND SEIZURE FUNDS. AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ONE LAST WEEK. AND THEN ALSO THE POLICE EVIDENCE CLERK THAT'S PART TIME THAT'S INCLUDED IN OPERATIONAL BUDGET. SO PART OF THE PERSONNEL INCREASES WE ADDED FROM A PART TIME EVIDENCE WORK. 
          THEN ON OUR PARKS AND REC SIDE, WE'VE ADDED WINTER AND SPRING ACTIVITY GUIDES THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE FUNDED THROUGH OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE WITHIN THAT ACTIVITY GUIDE. SO KIND OF A CITY ADVERTISEMENT OF PROGRAMS. AND THEN THE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS. AND THEN TRANSIT ALSO HAS A SOME PART TIME PERSONNEL 
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INCLUDED IN THEIR BUDGET, WHICH IS GRANT AND TRIP TO MATCH FUNDED. OKAY. THEN IN OUR GENERAL FUND, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. THIS THIS PROJECT, THAT'S THE CUSTOMER INFORMATION SYSTEM FOR OUR UTILITY BILLING PLANNED TO BE REPLACING THE EXISTING SYSTEM FOR ABOUT $2 MILLION. THAT PROJECT WILL ACROSS MULTIPLE YEARS. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO IMPLEMENT. ONCE WE SELECT A PRODUCT. AND IT'S FUNDED BY OUR UTILITY FUNDS, THEN WE'VE INCLUDED A $300,000 FOR MOVING OUR HR TEAM INTO OUR ANNEX B, WHICH CURRENTLY HOUSES OUR ERP TEAM THAT WILL BE RETURNING TO CITY HALL OFFICES AND EVERYWHERE ELSE AS MAYOR KIND OF ALREADY IDENTIFIED ALL THE FACILITY CHANGES AND GETTING PEOPLE BACK INTO THEIR HOMES AND THEN HOUSING OUR HR TEAM IN THE ANNEX B, THEY'RE CURRENTLY RENTING THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE IN, AND WE'D LIKE THAT SPACE TO ALSO BE ABLE TO DO TRAININGS AND HAVE A PRIVATE AREA THAT WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH HR, WHERE DO WE CAPTURE THE SAVINGS ON RENT? THAT'S PART OF THE ON THE LISTING. I THINK IT'S 47,000 IN RENT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. IT'S I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT'S OKAY. YEAH, BUT ABOUT 40,000 IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY THAT RENT ANYMORE. YEAH. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LAST YEAR OF CONTRACT. SO WE NEED TO BE DOING SOMETHING HERE PRETTY QUICKLY. I BELIEVE WE'RE REQUIRED TO GIVE A 90 DAY NOTICE FOR VACATE. AND WE'RE. PROBABLY WANT TO MOVE DON'T YOU. 
          YEAH. YEAH. THAT WAS QUICK. AND THAT ONE WE'RE INTENDING TO FUND WITH THE REPAYMENT OF FRONTIER BANK HAS IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE FRONTIER CENTER. AND SO WE HAVE LOANED THEM THE GENERAL FUND CAPITAL MONEY ESSENTIALLY TO KEEP THAT FUND POSITIVE. BUT AS FRONTIER BANK REPAYS US OVER THE NEXT OR NOT REPAYS. BUT THEY DONATED MONEY TOWARDS THE PROJECT. OVER THE NEXT TWO MORE YEARS OR THREE MORE YEARS, WE'LL BE GETTING FUNDS BACK FROM THEM. 
          SO IT'S REPLENISHING BACK THAT GENERAL FUND CAPITAL. SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT. OVER 300,000 FOR THIS YEAR. AND THEN WE HAVE TRANSIT GIFT BUS STOPS, 170,000. THEY'RE FUNDED BY THE GRANTS AND MATCH. NONE OF THAT IS THE GIFT MONEY THAT WE PUT IN BEFORE THE MATCH WOULD BE PART OF THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION. THE MATCHES PART. OKAY. AND WHERE WOULD WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING AT PUTTING THOSE? THAT WAS ONE THAT I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A. THERE'S A PLAN FOR IT. OKAY. I DON'T SEE I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN DETAILED OUT YET. PART OF IT WAS AS WE DO, STREET IMPROVEMENTS, IF THERE'S SPOTS, WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE CARVE OUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT. THERE WERE SOME SITES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. MEMORIAL. RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS OUR PARKS PROJECTS. SO THE FIRST FEW ON TOP HERE ARE FUNDED BY THE GREENBELT CAPITAL INVESTMENTS FROM POWER TO CONVERT RAILROAD BRIDGE TO PATHWAYS AND ADD FENCING AND RAILS, BUILDING STAIRS DOWN INTO THE JAPANESE GARDEN, AND THEN HERITAGE PARK PATHWAY, LIGHTING AND PARKING LOT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS PARK IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE APPLYING FOR A GRANT THAT SHOULD PAY FOR HALF OF THAT PROJECT, AND THEN PRIOR YEAR FUND BALANCE AND SOME ANNUAL OR REDUCTION OF OUR ANNUAL INVESTMENT IN PLAYGROUNDS TO HELP FUND THAT MATCH. SO THAT 550 IS INCLUSIVE OF THE HALF FROM THE GRANT. CORRECT. SO 550 IS THE COST OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES. THE GRANT AND 550 IS THE OVERALL COST. YES. OKAY. SO THE SHIFT ON THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT JUST PUSHES THAT CALENDAR DOWN A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, YEAH. AND WE WERE LOOKING AT, CAN WE STILL DO METHYL AND DO A PLAYGROUND OR TWO REPLACEMENT THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR. AND WE JUST DECIDED IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE TO PULL BACK ON THAT AND PUT THAT TOWARDS THE GRANT AND THEN COME BACK TO BACK TO OUR, OUR CIP FOR PLAYGROUNDS. SO IT'S STILL THERE. IT JUST GETS SHIFTED. OKAY, THEN A COUPLE MORE FOR GOLF. THEIR REVENUES ARE PROJECTED TO COME IN REALLY WELL, WE'RE GETTING MORE SELF-SUPPORTIVE ON THE GOLF END. 
          I THINK THIS YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME WE WEREN'T JUST NEGATIVE ALL WINTER LONG. SO THE BIG DRIVER OF THAT IS OUR DRIVING RANGE BALL MACHINES THAT WE HAVE. CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YES. THAT'S EXTRA REVENUE ON TOP OF WHAT WE ALREADY WERE COLLECTING IS COMING FROM THOSE MACHINES THAT GIVE PEOPLE THE BALLS. SO THAT'S BEEN GREAT. SO THE EXCESS THAT WE HAVE, 
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THEY'RE PLANNING TO INVEST SOME OF THAT IN SOME EQUIPMENT GRINDER MOWER AND A TOP DRESSER. 
          AND THEN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PATIO THAT SAGE LIKES. THEN WE HAVE SOME ITEMS WITH WILDLAND UPFITTING OF THE NEW FIRE ENGINES THAT ARE ARRIVING THIS FALL. AND THEN IF WE DON'T RECEIVE A GRANT FOR THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, IT'LL THEY WILL USE WILDLAND ACCESS FUNDS TO FUND THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'VE. WILDLIFE FUNDS ALL COME THROUGH FIRE. THEY DO, DON'T THEY? THOSE ARE ALL REVENUES FROM WILDLAND DEPLOYMENTS. YEAH. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE UPFITTING IS NOT WILDLAND EQUIPMENT. THAT'S TO OUTFIT ACTUAL TYPE ONE FIRE ENGINES THAT YOU SEE DRIVING AROUND THE CITY, DOING REGULAR FIREFIGHTING SERVICES FOR THE CITY. SO WE'RE UTILIZING THE WILDLAND REVENUE TO SUPPORT. THE PROGRAM FOR CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT PROGRAMS. I THINK THAT'S WORTH MENTIONING. AND THEN THAT WILDLAND TYPE THREE IS AN ACTUAL ADDITIONAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT APPARATUS FOR THE FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. AND IT IS FOCUSED ON WILDLAND, BUT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE IMPORTANT FOR KEEPING OUR PROGRAM. RELEVANT, IF YOU WILL. SO SO THE EQUIPMENT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN AN ENGINE. IT MEANS OTHER TYPES OF EQUIPMENT. IN THAT SCENARIO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A TOTAL CLARITY THAT'S ACTUALLY A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OR THAT'S AN ACTUAL APPARATUS. THANK YOU. 
          THE LINE ABOVE IT IS OUTFITTING THE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES ON FIRE ENGINES THAT WE'LL BE TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THIS YEAR. NOW, OUR IMPACT FEE FUNDS. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'LL BE USING THOSE FUNDS. THIS ARE PLANNED PROJECTS. WE'LL BE USING THOSE FUNDS THIS YEAR FOR POLICE. IT WILL CONTINUE 630 000 OF THE $2 MILLION OF OUR POLICE STATION DEBT SERVICE, AND THEN PLANNING TO USE UP THE FUNDING THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED THAT CAN GO TOWARDS VEHICLES TO BUY TWO POLICE VEHICLES. SO THAT IS I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT IS A CONCERN. 
          $630,000 IS A GENERAL FUND. IF IF IMPACT FEES ARE SLOWING DOWN. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE USING 630 IN DEBT SERVICE OVER TIME, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A PLAN TO WEAN OURSELVES OFF OF THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT. IT'S LEGAL. WE'VE OVERSIZE THE POLICE STATION, BUT IT ISN'T. WE CAN'T COUNT ON IT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE TO, TO HIGHLIGHT. WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WELL, IT MEANS WE'VE GOT TO BE MINDFUL GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR THAT THAT'S A BIG HIT. IF IMPACT FEES AREN'T THERE TO HELP COVER THAT, WHAT WAS THE HIGH POINT OF USING IMPACT FEE? WAS IT 636 30 THE MOST WE'VE USED IN THE YEAR? AND THIS YEAR WE JUST DON'T EXPECT TO GET ANY. BUT WE EXPECT TO GET 600, 450. AND WE HAVE SOME FUND BALANCE ALREADY EXISTING. BUT IF IF ANNUALLY, WE'RE ONLY COLLECTING 450 AND WE'RE SPENDING, WE'RE GOING TO BE. YOU'RE SAYING 200,000 IS THE DELTA. OVER TIME DRAWING THAT OUT? YEAH. THEN WE'RE STARTING TO USE OUR PARKS IMPACT FEES FOR SOME EARTHWORK AT SANDY DOWNS. SO THAT'S THE PLAN OUT THERE TO DO SOME EARTHWORK GRADING AND UTILITIES THERE. JUST I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE ADD TO FLEETS FOR POLICE VEHICLES WITH THE IMPACT FEES. SO WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT USING IMPACT FEES FOR VEHICLES. WE DID NOT WE ARE NO LONGER COLLECTING IMPACT FEES FOR VEHICLES, BUT WE STILL HAVE 1.2, 1.8. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PAST IMPACT PAST IMPACT FEES. 
          YEAH. SO WE WOULD WE WOULD JUST USE, YOU KNOW, SMALL PORTION, A SMALL PORTION OF THAT TO TRY AND, AND TO USE, UTILIZE, JUSTIFY TO THOSE VEHICLES AS, AS A GROWTH THING. WE, WE COULD JUSTIFY. EIGHT EIGHT OKAY, WE'VE ADDED THE OFFICERS. WE'RE STARTING TO RUN OUT OF CARS. I TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE MAYOR, THAT THIS IS A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, USING SOME OF IT, BUT LEAVING STILL A LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT FOR FUTURE. BASICALLY, WE WOULD JUST WE WOULD EXPAND THE IMPACT FEE BALANCE BASED UPON THE POLICIES AND THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. WE COULD ADD A VEHICLE. WE HAVE ANOTHER EIGHT VEHICLES, I THINK IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT WE WOULD ONLY BE SPENDING TWO FOR RIGHT NOW. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, NO LONGER NO LONGER COLLECTING IMPACT FEES. THIS IS A THIS IS THE THE CASH, IF YOU WILL, THAT WAS COLLECTED UNDER THE OLD STUDY AND UNDER THE OLD STUDY BACK IN 2020, WE IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY 83% WOULD BE TO PAY FOR THE POLICE FACILITY OUT OF IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS HOW YOU GET THE 
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630,000. AND THEN THE REMAINING 17% WOULD BE USED TOWARDS POLICE VEHICLES PURCHASE DUE TO GROWTH. OKAY. DUE TO GROWTH. YEAH, THAT'S THE CAVEAT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, THEN MOVING ON TO OUR STREETS IMPACT FEES. WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS PLANNED TO USE UP THOSE FUNDINGS. SKYLINE DRIVE 15 EAST FROM 49TH SOUTH ALONG 33RD NORTH RECYCLE ROAD WEST AND EAST OF NORTH FIFTH WEST. DECISION HAS A LOT OF DIRECTIONS 15 AND 1449 SOUTH AND THEN WEST EXPANSION. ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE USES? OKAY. THEN MOVING ON TO OUR OTHER STREET PUBLIC WORKS INFRASTRUCTURE CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS. WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS THERE FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON LANDSCAPING, PIONEER BRIDGE, WOODRUFF EXPANSION HOMES, WHITING. AND THEN THE BOTTOM TWO TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FIFTH EAST, 14TH AND 15TH, EAST AND SOUTH. WE HAVE GRANT FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THOSE TWO, AS WELL AS YELLOWSTONE. LET'S SEE. SORRY, THE MOST OF THESE ARE GRANT FUNDED. THE WOODRUFF, OWENS AND YELLOWSTONE GRANT FUNDING AS WELL. SO YOU WILL SEE ON THE ONE PAGE THAT I PUT UP IS CAPITAL PROJECTS. YOU'LL SEE THAT I PUT THE FULL AMOUNT IN THERE. THAT'S WHY IT'S 17 MILLION OF. BECAUSE I DID INCLUDE IT, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE ARE ACTUALLY SPENDING. IT'S NOT ALL OUR MONEY, BUT IT IS. IT'S BIG INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I JUST WANT. I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT IT'S. THESE ARE OUR PROPORTIONS AS OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING INTO IT. SO THAT'S THE DISCREPANCY YOU'LL SEE. AND SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WE BUILD AND WE GET A GRANT FOR THEM. SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE ARE PARTICIPATING WITH THE STATE, AND WE JUST SEND OUR MATCH PORTION TO THE STATE AND THEY BUILD IT UP. SO WE HAVE A BLEND OF THOSE PROJECTS. DOCTOR CANFIELD YEAH, THE PIONEER BRIDGES IS THAT THE WIDENING OF BRIDGES. IT IS ON PIONEER ROAD THE MOUNTAIN AMERICA CENTER. 
          OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S TWO OLD OVER THE OLD BUTTE CANAL AND THE CANAL. SO THERE'S NO ACTUAL PIONEERS. JUMPING. NO. BUT THAT MIGHT BE THE NAME TO THE FIFTH EAST 49TH SOUTH INTERSECTION. 
          CONSTRUCTION IS BEGINNING ON THAT TOMORROW, SO IT WILL BE DETOURED. JUST A SIDE NOTE, BUT. 
          THEN MOVING ON TO OUR ZOO CIP FUNDED PROJECTS. THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED BY PRIOR YEAR FUND BALANCE COLLECTED FROM SURCHARGE FEES THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED, AS WELL AS DONATIONS FROM TPCS. AND THEN I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S ALSO CONTAINED SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING. ENVIRONMENTAL COALITION. YES. JUST IMPROVEMENTS ALL AROUND THE ZOO. AND THEN THE POTENTIAL PROJECT OF THE ENTRANCE. WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR THAT THIS YEAR, KIND OF FIGURING OUT THE FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT. THAT'S A LARGER PROJECT. SO NOTHING ON THAT SLIDE HAS ANY IMPACT ON GENERAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET THIS FISCAL YEAR OR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THE ONLY IMPACT ON GENERAL FUND IS IF WE DO BUILD THESE THINGS, WE WILL THEN HAVE TO OPERATE THEM. SO IF WE'RE BUILDING NEW CLOTHES OR SOMETHING, THEN THERE'S INCREASED CAPACITY FOR AND THERE'S OPERATIONAL EXPENSES THAT CAN BE TIED TO JUST HAVING THOSE EXPANDED AREAS. ALTHOUGH EXCEPT FOR LIKE NEW KOOKABURRA CAFE WOULD JUST BE A REPLACEMENT OF OUR EXISTING. SO THAT WOULD WOULDN'T COME WITH ANY ADDITIONAL STAFFING. REALLY NOTHING, NOTHING ON THAT LIST ACTUALLY HAS ANY FTE IMPLICATIONS. IT'S ALL EITHER REPLACEMENTS OR RELOCATING, YOU KNOW, CAMEL BARN AND ENCLOSURE E OPERATIONAL CHANGES WOULD BE MINIMAL. YEAH. AND WITH THAT, WE'VE EARNED A BREAK. OKAY. 
          LET'S JUST RECONVENE AT 2:45. TF THE PRESENTATION IS WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO FINANCE. 
          [Finance]
WE'LL GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON FEES FOR CITY SERVICES AND SOME CHANGES FOR INCREASES. AND THEN WE WE ARE RUNNING NOT TOO SHORT ON TIME, BUT WE ARE. WE NEED TO MAKE UP SOME TIME. SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE. ENTERPRISE FUNDS. A LOT OF ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AROUND AIRPORT. WE HAVE OUR UTILITY BOARD MEETINGS THAT WE CAN 
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CONTINUE TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS. SO WE'LL KIND OF TRY AND CONDENSE SOME TIME THERE SO THAT WE CAN LEAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET REQUEST SEALED UP BY TODAY. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MASTER FEE SCHEDULE THAT WE MAKE ALL THE UPDATES BASED ON WHAT DEPARTMENTS PROPOSE AS CHANGES FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL FEE. WE'VE SUMMARIZED ALL THE DETAILS HERE OF KIND OF THE HIGH LEVEL. WHAT ARE THE MAJOR CHANGES BY DEPARTMENT. BUT WE CAN ALSO SEND OUT THE DETAIL OF THE WHOLE SCHEDULE AND THE LIMITED TO JUST THE CHANGES. 
          WHEN I FILTERED IT DOWN TO JUST THE CHANGES, IT'S HALF. A LITTLE OVER HALF OF THE DOCUMENT IS CHANGING. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF CHANGES HERE. SO I'LL START WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS. WATER IS PROPOSING A 3% INCREASE TO SERVICE CONNECTIONS AND 5% ON MONTHLY FEES. SO THAT'S YOUR MONTHLY UTILITY BILL FOR 5% FOR UTILITIES, FOR WATER WASTEWATER. 
          ANOTHER ONE IS 5% FOR THOSE MONTHLY BILLS, 5 TO 7% FOR INDUSTRIAL. DEPENDING ON THE THE TYPE, AND THEN 5% INCREASE FOR SEWER MAIN CONNECTIONS, AND THEN 30% INCREASE FOR SEWER SERVICE CONNECTIONS. SO THAT'S A NEW STUDY. YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT. YES. SO WE COMMISSIONED EVERY SO OFTEN WHEN WE HAVE CHANGES TO THE TREATMENT PLAN TO ADD CAPACITY TO THE SYSTEM, IT'S WORTHWHILE TO REEVALUATE OUR CONNECTION FEES. SO THE CONNECTION FEE THAT THIS ONE IS REFERRING TO IS WHERE SOMEBODY BUILDS SOMETHING AND THEN THEY COME IN AND THEY CONNECT, AND IT'S BASED ON BUYING CAPACITY INTO THE SYSTEM AT THE TREATMENT PLANT. AND A LITTLE BIT OF OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM AS WELL. WE JUST COMPLETED OUR DEWATERING PROJECT. THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE TREATMENT PLANT. AND THAT WAS KIND OF A TRIGGER POINT TO SAY, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. THE IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN NORMALLY WE LIKE TO DO IT. INCREMENTAL INCREASES ON OUR FEES. I DID CHAT WITH CODY, WHO WROTE THE WROTE THE STUDY FOR US AND HE SAID, LOOK, HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS TO JUST TAKE ON THIS ALL AT ONCE FOR TWO REASONS. NUMBER ONE, OUR FEE, OUR CONNECTION FEES ARE HISTORICALLY LOW, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN OUR ADJACENT COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA. THE FEE FOR THE SIMILAR CONNECTION FEE IS AT $5,600, AS AN EXAMPLE, AND THIS ONE TAKES HOURS UP TO 1600 WITH A 30% INCREASE. IT ALSO PUTS US IN A POSITION WITH OUR UPCOMING AGREEMENTS WITH IBS-D. AT UCONN, 1600 INCLUDES THE INCREASE, 1600 INCLUDES THE INCREASE. 1680 IS WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO. SO WE HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT IS WHAT IT IS. OH, IT IS THAT EASTERN IDAHO REGIONAL REGIONAL SEWER DISTRICT. SO IT'S THE SHELLY PLANT THAT SERVES AMMON. SO IN AMMON, IF YOU PAID THE SIMILAR FEE, IF YOU BUILT AN AMMON, YOU'D PAY $7,000. YOU'D PAY A CONNECTION FEE FOR AMMON AND THE TREATMENT PLANT IN SHELLY. FOR US, YOU'RE PAYING $1,640. 
          YEAH. SHELLY IS LIKE SEVEN. YEAH. 7000. YEAH. EVEN WITH IMPACT FEES, WHICH. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, THE, THE COMPARISON OF AREA COMMUNITIES FOR THE CONNECTION FEES IS QUITE LOW. 
          AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE OUR AGREEMENTS TO SAY, HEY, OUR CONNECTION FEES ARE THIS FOR IBS-D. YOUR CONNECTION FEES ARE INCREASING AS WELL. AND YUKON AS THEIR GROWTH GOES, IT, IT ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS THOSE IN THOSE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE FORTHCOMING TO TREAT THEIR AREAS AS WELL. IBS-D HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WANT TO COME OFF OUR SYSTEM. SO IF WE DID INCREMENTAL THING, IT'S KIND OF A NET NEGATIVE TO THIS TO THE CITY. YOU RESIDENTS, IF WE DID DO THE INCREMENTAL THING, WHICH IS WHAT WE NORMALLY DO, WHERE WE COULD, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? THE REASON THAT YUKON IS HIGHER IS BECAUSE THEIR PERCENTAGE IS HIGHER BECAUSE THEIR FEE IS LOWER. PART OF OUR THE CONNECTION FEE SYSTEM FOR THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. IT INCLUDES OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM IN THAT CALCULATION FOR CAPACITY. BUT WE COULDN'T. THAT CAN'T BE ALLOCATED TO YUKON AND IBS-D. 
          SO THEIR FEE IS ACTUALLY LOWER. THEIR FEE IS GOING UP TO 860 PER CONNECTION, WHERE IT WAS ABOUT 500 BEFORE. SO THE PERCENTAGE IS HIGHER. BUT AGAIN, FEES A LITTLE LOWER. AND THEN I DID CHECK THE NUMBERS. IBS-D HAD A LITTLE OVER 100 CONNECTIONS LAST YEAR. SO IT'S ABOUT A $40,000 NET CHANGE PER SE. SO WITH THAT I'LL ASK ANY QUESTIONS. WOULD YOU WANT TO 
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CONTINUE ON ABOUT? YEAH. NOW THE BIG OH, ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBJECTS. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO SKIP IT. YEAH, YEAH. SO FOR SANITATION, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW LINE ITEMS IN THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR WHAT WE'RE CALLING A COUNTY LANDFILL FEE. AND IN THE, IN THE INDUSTRY, WE CALL THEM TIPPING FEES. SO THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE, THEY'RE GOING TO WEIGH AS WE DISCHARGE OUR LOADS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WASTE AT THE TRANSFER STATION, THEY'RE GOING TO WEIGH THE THE TRUCK COMING IN, THE TRUCK GOING OUT AND THE DIFFERENCE. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY BY THE TIME. AND WE SET THOSE RATES. AND WE'VE DONE AN EVALUATION BASED ON. WE'VE TRACKED THE TONNAGE OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 8 TO 10 MONTHS OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCHARGING TO TRANSFER STATION TO SEE WHAT WHAT THOSE FUTURE CHARGES ARE GOING TO BE TO US. BUT IT'S REALLY IT'S A COUNTY CHARGE, AND IT IS EXACTLY THAT COUNTY LANDFILL FEE. THE COUNTY IS SET THIS FEE. I DON'T HAVE A GOOD EXPLANATION TO YOU ON HOW IT WAS SET. I CAN ONLY SAY THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO CHARGE. AND WE, WE WE'RE PROJECTING THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO WHAT THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE TO MEET THOSE REVENUE DEMANDS OR THOSE COSTS. THE OTHER ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE SEPARATING OUT IT OUT ON THE FEE SCHEDULE AS WELL. IT IN ORDER TO BASICALLY, THEY'RE NOT SET UP, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, THEY'RE NOT PROJECTED TO HAVE THAT TIPPING FEE IN PLACE. SO WHEN THE COUNTY IS READY TO ACTIVATE IT, WE'LL WE'LL IMPLEMENT IT ACCORDINGLY. SO IT'S JUST GETTING IT ON THE FEE SCHEDULE. CURRENTLY, OUR FEE RATE FOR SANITATION IS FOR RESIDENTS. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE, IS 9990 A MONTH PER CAN RIGHT. THAT WE'VE DISCHARGED THE RESIDENTIAL IMPACT FOR THIS TIPPING FEE IS PROJECTED TO BE $6.90 PER MONTH. SO IT'S ABOUT A 7,080% INCREASE APPROXIMATELY. SO DID YOU DID YOU SAY THAT'S GOING TO BE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM ON BILLING. AND WE'LL CALL IT A COUNTY LANDFILL FEE. THAT'S EXACTLY BONNEVILLE COUNTY LANDFILL FEE. YEAH. AND WE WILL ISSUE WE'VE ASKED THE COUNTY FOR SOME NOTICE PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTING THE FEE OF. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CONTINGENT ON IS THEM FINISHING SOME PROJECTS AT THE TRANSFER STATION. I'VE TRIED TO TELL WAYNE TO SLOW IT DOWN, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK. BUT THE. ANYWAY, THE. YOU KNOW, WITH THAT FEE, IT'LL COME. WE'LL APPLY IT. WE'LL TRY TO GET NOTICE OF IT SO THAT WE CAN GET AHEAD OF IT ON THE REVENUES WHEN NECESSARY. THE COUNTY LANDFILL FEES WILL ALSO AFFECT THE PRIVATE TRASH COLLECTORS. IT WILL. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THEIR RATES. AND BONNEVILLE COUNTY RESIDENTS, AND THEREFORE EVERYBODY BETWEEN US IS PRETTY MUCH STAY THE SAME. ANY ANY REFUSE THAT GOES TO THE COUNTY LANDFILL WILL BE SUBJECT TO IT. YEAH. AND THEN AND THE COUNTY, WE PLAN ON DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE STREET SUMMIT, WHERE THE COUNTY WILL SAY, THEY WILL ACTUALLY SAY, HERE'S OUR PLAN, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE REVENUE. THIS ISN'T JUST US GOUGING PEOPLE. 
          THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW SITE. WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT WITH SOME MESSAGING AROUND THAT THAT WILL PARTICIPATE IN. IT SOUNDS LIKE NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. WE'LL TRY TO GIVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE UTILITY BILLINGS AT LEAST A MONTH IN ADVANCE ON THE MAILERS. JUST TO. I WOULD SUGGEST EITHER PUT A BILL COUNTY LANDFILL. Q YES, YEAH, IT'LL BE SPELLED OUT. YEP. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS? IT DOES IMPACT OUR COMMERCIAL RATES AS WELL. AND WE JUST KIND OF DID A PROJECTION AND DID AN ALLOCATION ACCORDINGLY ON EACH FEE PICKUP. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THAT TOO. THEY KNOW THAT BONNEVILLE COUNTY KNOWS THAT LIKE WE SAID, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT OUT. AND THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, LIKE WE DO. SO. I'M STILL SUPPORTIVE OF TRYING TO FIND A WAY FOR RECYCLING AND SOME TYPE OF REGIONAL APPROACH TO THAT SO THAT WE ALL PARTICIPATE IN MAKING PLASTIC INTO SOMETHING THAT WE MANUFACTURE. WE HAVE SOME SORT OF FACILITY BECAUSE THE SHIPPING COSTS WITH RECYCLING WILL NEVER LET US DO THIS UNLESS WE FIND SOME WAY TO GENERATE REVENUE FROM WHAT WE. DO. YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NOW THAT YOU'RE. BECAUSE THESE LANDFILLS ARE FILLING UP SO QUICKLY, WHAT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS YOU'RE HAVING WITH BONNEVILLE COUNTY ARE. SO YEAH, I DID ACTUALLY MEET WITH THE COUNTY. I MET BLAIR AT THEIR LANDFILL OR THEIR SUPERVISOR, AND I MET WITH HIM AND WE REVIEWED A COMPOSTING FACILITY IN BOISE. THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY SO FAR AS TO KIND OF EXPLORE POSSIBLE SITES IF IT HELPS MEET OUR NEEDS FOR OUR WASTEWATER BIOSOLIDS AS A POTENTIAL AS WELL. SO IT COULD BE A COMPLEMENT TO MULTIPLE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, BUT IT DOES COME WITH SOME PARADIGM SHIFTS ON RECYCLING. WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GATHER INFORMATION FROM ADJACENT COMMUNITIES TO FIGURE OUT LESSONS LEARNED AND 
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THINGS THAT WE COULD EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE TO COMPLEMENT WHAT WE DO. SO WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT CARDBOARD BECAUSE BEFORE WE HAD OUR CARDBOARD COLLECTION AND IT WAS JUST CITY, RIGHT. 
          ANYBODY COULD COME TO THE CITY. BUT IF WE DO IT COUNTY WIDE, LIKE WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? WELL, MAYBE WE'RE TO AN ECONOMY OF SCALE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO CARDBOARD. I'M CURIOUS FROM THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HOW MUCH YOU HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS WHEN WE TOOK THE BINS OUT, THE CARDBOARD AND THE I MEAN, ALL WE KEPT WAS GLASS, RIGHT? AND WE USED TO COLLECT A LOT OF STUFF. I DIDN'T REALLY GET MUCH NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. I DIDN'T HEAR, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. YEAH, SOME. BUT IT WAS THE CALLS THAT WE GOT WERE OUTSIDE THE CITY. YES, EXACTLY. 
          THEY WERE OUTSIDE THE CITY. SO THAT MADE IT TOUGHER. BUT I DO THINK THAT CARDBOARD THING IS, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO KIND OF LOOK BACK AT HOW MANY DELIVERIES DOES EVERYBODY HAVE AT THEIR DOOR? HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO COME DOWN MY STREET EVERY DAY? THAT'S REALLY GONE THROUGH THE ROOF NONSTOP, RIGHT. SO THAT'D BE NICE. WE ALSO NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CHARGE THEM TO USE IT FOR ROADS. YES WE DO. I DID GET OUR POLICE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR PACKAGES THERE WITH OUR FEE INCREASE FOR THE SANITATION THAT WE'RE FACED WITH. I DID DO A LITTLE RESEARCH COMPARING POCATELLO AND REXBURG, AND WE'RE STILL WELL UNDER EVEN WITH THAT INCREASE TO THE RATES THAT ADJACENT COMMUNITIES ARE HAVING TO PAY. SO IF THAT'S A SILVER LINING OR NOT, BUT THAT'S THE CASE. OKAY, MOVING ON TO POWER AND FIBER, THERE IS A PROPOSED INCREASE OF 2 TO 4% FOR OUR BASE FEES AND DEMAND SERVICE FEES. SO FOR A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER, IT'S A 2% INCREASE TO THE MONTHLY CHARGE. AND THEN CONSUMPTION OF 3% INCREASE. BUT FEES VARY IN THERE. AND THEN A 6% INCREASE FOR FIBER BACKBONE SERVICE FEE ON FIBER. AND THEN THERE'S A NEW STREET LIGHT UTILITY VEHICLE. PROPOSING. DIRECTOR FREDRICKSON, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE? YEAH. SO THIS THIS THE IDEA ABOUT TRYING TO ESTABLISH A FUND SO WE CAN PAY FOR STREET LIGHTS. AND AS WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME NUMBERS FOR THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT A DOLLAR PER CUSTOMER IN THE CITY. SO A DOLLAR A MONTH TO PAY FOR STREET LIGHTS, THAT'S POWER AND MAINTAINING THOSE. SO THAT'S A CLEANER COST CODE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT WAYS TO TRY TO CLEAN THAT UP. AND IN THE FEE SCHEDULE, IT'S PROPOSED AS $1.50 PER CUSTOMER PER MONTH SO THAT YOU CAN DO A DOLLAR INITIALLY AND THEN START WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK IN THE UPCOMING YEARS. WHERE ARE WE AT AS FAR AS REPLACING EVERYTHING WITH LEDS? I THINK WE'VE MADE PRETTY GOOD PROGRESS. I WOULD SAY WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT 70% THROUGH THE CITY WITH THE RETROFIT PROJECT. OKAY. IS THAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF LEADING THIS OR IT'S JUST JUST TRYING TO RECAPTURE WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON IT, JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COLLECT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THAT PARTICULAR UTILITY. RIGHT. HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE REPLACEMENT PART, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY ON THE POWER ITSELF, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY. AND UPGRADING THOSE, BUT WE'RE REVIEWING OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DISTRICT LIGHT UTILITY AROUND THE STATE. SO WE'LL HAVE A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WE WANT TO BRING BACK AND TAIL SOME OF THAT. SO THIS THIS IS JUST UTILITY MONEY. I MEAN THIS HAS JUST BEEN COMING FROM THE RATEPAYER. AND SO NOW IT'S JUST STANDARDIZING IT ACROSS USERS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN, IT'S STREETS PAID FOR THE COST POWER DOES THE WORK AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SYSTEM AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO ANY IDEA HOW MUCH POWER YOU SAVE SWITCHING FROM ONE OF THOSE LIGHTS TO THE NEW ONES ON THE HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM LED, I WOULD SAY YOU SAVE 60%, AT LEAST 50%. YEAH, MORE THAN 50. 
          YEAH, YEAH. OKAY, OKAY. OUR AIRPORT FEES IS ONLY A HANDFUL OF CHANGES THERE. WE'RE DOING NEW LANDING FEES AND TERMINAL FEES, ALL THAT. I TALKED ABOUT THOSE. SO THE NEW LANDING FEES, NEW TERMINAL FEES ARE NEW TO THE RESOLUTION. THEY REPLACE A PREVIOUS APPROACH THAT WOULD BE USED TO CONVERT OUR TERMINAL RENT AND LANDING FEES FOR THE LESS THAN DAILY SERVICE THAT ALLEGIANT FLIES. THIS IS A CLEARER WAY OF ARTICULATING WHAT THOSE FEES ALLEGIANT PAYS, BUT IT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO ANYONE ELSE THAT OPERATES LESS THAN DAILY, WHETHER THEY'RE A CHARTER AIRCRAFT OR SOMEONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND OPERATE SIMILARLY TO ALLEGIANT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A CHANGE PRIMARILY IN HOW THE FEE LOOKS, AS OPPOSED TO NEGOTIATING A DIRECTLY WITH THE AIRLINE ON THEIR LESS THAN DAILY OPERATIONS. KEY REPLACEMENT FEE IS FEE. IF SOME OF OUR TENANTS BREAK OR LOSE A KEY TO REFLECT THE COST OF REPLACING THAT KEY, CUTTING IT STAFF TIME TO POTENTIALLY REPLACE LOCKS, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. FOR SOME OF OUR NON-SECURED DOORS IN THE TERMINAL. SO IT'S JUST A NEW FEE AS THE AIRLINES HAVE HAD 
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MORE EMPLOYEES COME IN AND CYCLE THROUGH AND HAVE SOME HIGHER LEVEL TURNOVER SEEN AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF KEYS WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE FOR TENANTS. SO THAT'S THAT FOR IS DERIVED FROM ESCALATOR MAINTENANCE. FOR THINGS WHICH HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT CONTRACT COMPLIANCE TO COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. MOVING ON TO OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW CHANGES IN THE PARKS FEES, A LOT OF ACTUAL REMOVAL OF FEES TO CONSOLIDATE AND SIMPLIFY A LOT OF THE FEE STRUCTURE TO MAKE IT A LOT CLEARER. THERE'S SOME INCREASES TO RENTALS AND FIELD USES. CEMETERY FEE INCREASES PRIMARILY TO PERCENT. AND THEN A AS A DIRECTOR MENTIONED, THE CONTINUING MAINTENANCE PERPETUAL PERPETUAL FEE IS WENT UP 50%, MOVING FROM 200 TO 300, AND THEN ZOO AND FUNLAND INCREASES FOR ADMISSIONS AND VARIOUS PROGRAM FEES AND THEN WAR BONNET. WE ARE INCREASING THE ADMISSION FEE FOR THAT, AS WELL AS THE VIP SEATS INCREASES OF 6 TO 20% THAT THE ONLY TYPE OF FEE. THEN MOVING ON TO OUR RECREATION SIDE INCREASES TO THE NONRESIDENT RATES ON ALMOST ALL THE PROGRAMS. AND THEN FOR THE SKATING RINK ALSO INCREASES AND DECREASES TO FEES AND PASSES TYPE OF PROGRAM. DO YOU HAVE PJ ON THOSE? ANY IDEA HOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE PAY WHEN THEY COME THROUGH? ARE NOT RESIDENTS ON WHICH ON. OH, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 6040. IT'S THAT'S CLOSE TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT OUR USER GROUPS AND THAT. AND WE FIGURED THAT IT'S ACROSS. I KNOW THAT DAVID HAS SOME NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, BUT MOST OF OUR STUFF IS ABOUT 60, 40 CITY RESIDENT, 60% FOR CITY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. YES. THEN ON OUR GOLF SIDE, WE HAVE SOME INCREASES TO THE GREENS FEES, A 20% INCREASE FOR NONRESIDENTS, 5% FOR RESIDENTS, AND THEN OUR DRIVING RANGE INCREASE OF 15%, AND THEN RENTALS AND PASSES 5 TO 8%. APARTMENT. AND THEN OUR OTHER GOVERNMENTAL FEE CHANGES. WE HAVE A FEW CHANGES IN POLICE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL, LICENSING, CREMATION, EUTHANASIA. YOU ALREADY MENTIONED A 5% INCREASE FOR OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICE FEES. THAT'S THE PERMITTING. AND THEN DIRECTOR ALEXANDER ALREADY MENTIONED THE VOLUNTEER CENTER LOBBY. WE'RE ADDING TWO FEES SO THAT WE CAN RENT OUT THE LOBBY SPACE FOR EVENTS. AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, JUST CLEANUP ITEMS, A FEW OTHER REMOVALS, AND THEN CORRECTIONS TO GRAMMAR TYPOS, THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OVERALL HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY? WE WILL SEND OUT THE DETAILED LISTING OF ALL THE CHANGES, AS WELL AS ALL THE AWARE OF WHAT ALL IS IN THERE FOR THE ADOPTION. YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT I CAN SEND IT OUT TODAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING. I MEAN, COUNCIL, WE STILL HAVE OUR WORK. WE STILL HAVE A WORK SESSION IN JULY. AND SO WE STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT FEES. AND ALL OF THAT CAN STILL HAPPEN AS PART OF A JUST A REGULAR OLD WORK SESSION. OKAY. SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT QUICKLY THE ENTERPRISE FUND 
          [Finance, Directors ]
FUNDED PROJECTS AND NEW PERSONNEL. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FEES, SO WE'LL SKIP THAT ONE FOR ALL OF OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS. WE'LL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE PROJECTS FOR THE AIRPORT. I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF NEW INFORMATION RELATED TO OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS FROM OUR PRESENTATION JUNE 22ND WORK SESSION. I, I THINK THE TWO BIGGEST ITEMS HERE ARE THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE TERMINAL EXPANSION, AS WELL AS THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER AND VOVOR PROJECT IN AUGUST ON ON BOTH OF THOSE TOPICS. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THERE, LIKE THE OTHER PROJECTS, THE EXPANSION ARE BOTH CARRYOVERS FROM PROJECTS FROM THIS YEAR THAT WILL RECEIVE THE REVENUE ON NEXT YEAR. AND PETERSON PROPERTY IS ONE WE ARE CARRYING FORWARD AS A BUDGETED CAPITAL PROJECT SO THAT IT REMAINS ELIGIBLE FOR FAA FUNDING. WHEN THAT COMES THROUGH, I'M GOING TO SAY WHEN, NOT IF SO. OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. AND FOR ALL OF OUR ENTERPRISE ONES, WE ALSO HAVE A FEW REPLACEMENTS OF THE OF OUR 
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ENTERPRISE FUNDS AS WELL. OKAY, MOVING ON TO WATER, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FEES, BUT WE ARE ADDING OR PLANNING TO ADD TWO NEW SERVICE TECHNICIANS. THIS IS TO ADDRESS SOME CONTRACTED SERVICES THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD FOR LINE LOCATIONS, AND THAT WILL BE PAID FOR THROUGH WORK ORDERS WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAM. DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON, WILL YOU JUST ADDRESS THAT REALLY QUICKLY? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION. THAT. 
          YEAH, I WANT TO JUST ADD SOME A LITTLE BIT OF MEAT TO THE BONES. YEAH. SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY A NEW REQUEST OTHER THAN THEIR EMPLOYEES. THIS IS MONEY THAT OUR BUDGETS, BUDGETS ESSENTIALLY DO CONTRACT LOCATING. AS WE SAT DOWN, WE'VE HAD SOME STRUGGLES WITH THE LOCATING COMPANY THAT WE'VE BEEN UNDER CONTRACT WITH SINCE MAY. SO THE IDEA WAS COORDINATION WITH PUBLIC WORKS. WE HAVE, AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, WATER, SEWER AND POWER FIBER PERSONNEL THAT DO LOCATES WELL, CONTRACT WORK FOR POWER AND FIBER. WHY NOT JUST HAVE A SINGLE EMPLOYEE DO THOSE AS OPPOSED TO THE CONTRACT WORK? SO WE FELT LIKE THERE WAS IT'S NOT A COST SAVINGS. IT'S IT'S BUDGET NEUTRAL AS WE DO THAT, BUT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE LOCATOR SHOW UP FOR EACH OF THOSE AS OPPOSED TO THREE. AND REAL ACCOUNTABILITY. WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A BETTER SERVICE IF WE IF WE DO THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF A COORDINATION, IF YOU WILL. NO NEW REQUEST BUDGET WISE, IT'S JUST NEW FTES, DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, TO FUND JUST PAINT DIFFERENT COLORED LINES ON THAT. THEY WILL HAVE DIFFERENT COLORED PAINT. YEAH. I'LL HAVE A. QUESTION WITH THE ANTICIPATED THIS PROJECT, WOULD THAT ENABLE US AT ALL FOR AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO SEND A CONSUMER AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE USING? LONG BEFORE WE EVER STARTED METERING WATER, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY VALUE TO GIVING PEOPLE A HEADS UP ON HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE USING JUST TO KIND OF. THINK THEY KNOW ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF THOSE METERS THAT ARE INSTALLED ON RESIDENTIAL SERVICES. WE DO ALLOW PEOPLE ACCESS TO A APP THAT WOULD SHOW THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR BUILD A FLAT RATE, THEY WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL SAME, SAME SITUATION, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. IF YOU HAVE A METER THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT. BUT OVERALL, I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL THE DATA FOR HOW MUCH WATER WE USED A YEAR PER CAPITA, RIGHT, IN THOSE COMPARISONS. SO FOR THE WATER CONSERVATION PIECES, WE HAVE THAT DATA THAT CAN BE SHARED. AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOOD NEWS HOW MUCH WATER WE USE. RIGHT. SO BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PIECE. YEAH. AND THAT PERSONNEL ASK IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET DRAFT. YOU THOUGHT TWO WEEKS AGO. SO I WANTED TO HAVE IT. SO THAT'S A NEW ASK. YOU'VE GOT IDENTIFIED THIS LAST WEEK, BUT WITH BENEFITS YOU'RE SAYING IT'S STILL BUDGET NEUTRAL. 
          CORRECT. OKAY. AND GEORGE, DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER PROJECTS. YEAH. SO I'VE GOT A LIST OF 15. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL 15. YEAH. SO BASICALLY THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE THE WATER ADMINISTRATION BUILDING OFF OF POP CRAWL. WE'VE GOT SOME WELL UPGRADES AND DRILLING THAT ARE PROJECTED FOR NORTH AND SOUTH OF TOWN. TYPICAL ANNUAL MAIN LINE EXTENSIONS AND REPLACEMENTS WHERE WE CHASE OUR STREET PROJECTS AS WELL AND THEN CONTRACTED METER BOX INSTALLS. SO THESE ARE INCREMENTAL PROJECTS TO GET METER BOX INSTALLS TO ALLOW US TO GO TO METERING AND GET THAT INFORMATION WHERE WE CAN. THE 65TH SOUTH PUMP STATION AND AN UPGRADE TO THAT, AND THEN EQUIPMENT'S ADD TO FLEET. AND THEN WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION WHERE WE PAY FOR EXPANDED LINES TO ENHANCE OUR SYSTEM SERVICE AREAS. SO THAT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. FOR SANITATION. WE EVERY YEAR REPLACE SOME PARTS DUMPSTERS. SO THAT'S KIND OF AN ANNUAL COST, BUT IT IS LARGE AND WE CAPITALIZE IT AS THAT'S PART OF OUR SYSTEM. THEN ALSO SOME REPLACEMENTS OF EQUIPMENT ARE PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR AND THEN ADD PROJECTS ON THE SANITATION SIDE. AND THESE ARE ADS OR THESE ARE ONES THAT WERE NOT DETAILED OUT IN THE LIST TWO WEEKS AGO. SO JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAW TWO WEEKS AGO, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IT DETAILED OUT NOW AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WAS INITIALLY IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. AND ON OUR WASTEWATER SIDE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE RATES OF TURNOVER BACK TO DIRECTOR CANFIELD FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. YEAH. SO THESE ARE BASICALLY PROJECTS THAT ARE PER FACILITY PLAN UPDATE THAT WE IMPLEMENTED IN 2024. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT WHAT WE CALL EXPANSION UPGRADE. THAT IS OUR ABILITY TO TREAT SOLIDS AND THE SLUDGE AT THE 
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PLANT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ONE OF THEM IS THE CLEAN V SYSTEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HARD. 
          THAT COULD CHANGE TO A DRYER PRETTY SOON, BUT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT AND A PLAN ON STAFF. SEWER LINE REPLACEMENTS IS AN ANNUAL THING THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR. LIFT STATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. THOSE ARE BASICALLY GENERATORS. AND BASICALLY TO IMPROVE OR BOLSTER OUR SERVICE OUT INTO THE SYSTEM WITHIN COUNT AND THEN TREATMENT PLAN IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S PRIMARILY SOME CHLORINE CONTACT SYSTEMS FOR OUR EFFLUENCE TO TRY TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR OUR EMPLOYEES THAT CAME OUT OF THE FACILITY PLAN UPDATE AS WELL. 
          STORMWATER PROJECTS. WE'RE TRYING TO REMOVE STORM TAPS WHERE WE CAN. WE ALSO BUDGET FOR DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF EQUIPMENT ITEMS LISTED. SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, MOVING ON TO POWER. WE ARE PROPOSING FOUR NEW STAFF ON THE POWER SIDE TO BEING WIREMAN, ONE OF THOSE PREVIOUSLY ON THE LIST. YOU SEE TWO WEEKS AGO WAS IN THE TRAFFIC TECHNICIAN THAT WE ACTUALLY NEEDED TO MOVE TO A WIREMAN. THAT'S FOR ELECTRICAL WORK, ELECTRICIAN WORK INSTEAD. AND THEN APPRENTICE GENERATION, MECHANIC AND COMMUNICATIONS AND SOLICITATION, WHICH THAT'S ON THE FIBER SIDE. CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH. THE ONE PIECE I WOULD JUST WANT TO ADD ON THE WIREMAN, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE UNION ON ONE TO HAVE AN ELECTRICIAN PIECE. AND ELECTRICIAN DID WORK ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, BUT ONE, WE'VE REACHED OUT JUST WITH MUNICIPAL SERVICES AS WELL, BUILDING MAINTENANCE. IS THAT A HARD TIME WITH ELECTRICIANS? IF WE CAN HIRE THAT IN POWER, AND THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CHARGE OUT AS NEEDED SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS CITYWIDE. SO THAT'LL HELP CITY SERVICES. OKAY. THEN ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR POWER FIBER. YEAH. SO THESE I THINK WE WENT THROUGH IN OUR LAST, I THINK JOSH HAD COVERED ALL OF THE POWER PROJECTS IN OUR LAST BOARD MEETINGS. WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE. SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE'S TOO MANY MAJOR CHANGES IN THOSE. SO UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS, WE CAN PROBABLY SKIP THROUGH THOSE. 
          [Mayor & Council ]
SO NOW ON TO OUR UNFUNDED CAPITAL REQUESTS SO THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A HANDOUT. THAT'S THE ONE PAGER OF ABOUT 1.7 MILLION IN REQUESTS. BUT WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 1.5 MILLION IN AVAILABLE FUNDING, UNLESS WE PLAN TO TAKE THE 3% ON. AND WHAT DOES THAT TAKE US TO? FOUR SORRY, WHAT DOES THAT TAKE US TO IF WE DO TAKE IF YOU DO TAKE IT, THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE AMOUNT TO 3.1 MILLION. BUT THE 1.6 OF FOREGONE THAT'S THE 3% FOREGONE IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR CAPITAL. BUT DO WE HAVE ENOUGH IN THIS THAT WE. YEAH, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 5 MILLION IN FOREGONE. AND IF I MAY, JUST AS A GENTLE REMINDER, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE'RE USING THE 1% ONGOING FOREGONE FOR IN IN RESOLUTION AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE, IF AT ALL, THE 3% CAPITAL, WHAT WE REQUIRE TO POST THAT AND PUBLISH THAT. SO JUST A REMINDER. SO WE DID TALK ABOUT THE ITEMS LAST WEEK. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON ANY ITEMS OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST DISCUSS WHAT THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRIORITIZE. I DID PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR BINDERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE THE POLICE, FIRE, CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY. THE SOME OF THE SOME OF THE RATIONALE BEHIND THEIR PRIORITIES. THEY HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LOT MORE UNFUNDED OR PRIORITIZED PIECES THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. BUT FOR AS FAR AS THEIR PRIORITIES GO, THEY'VE REALLY WHITTLED IT DOWN TO THEIR TOP 2 OR 3. AND IF, AS YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, OF COURSE THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS. BUT. SO IT'S. AND AS A REMINDER, THE FUNDING AVAILABLE IS THE REMAINING GROWTH EXPECTED, WHICH IS ABOUT $300,000, 1% FOREGONE WOULD BE $535,000. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ONE TIME MONEY AVAILABLE FROM THE UNSPENT DEBT PROCEEDS OF OUR POLICE COMPLEX THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SWAP OUT TO PAY OUR DEBT SERVICE, WHICH MEANS SOME GENERAL FUND FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO NOT SPEND ON THAT DEBT SERVICE IN THE AMOUNT OF 
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$680,000. SO THAT TOTAL IS 1.515. AND THEN IF WE TAKE 3% UP TO 3% FOREGONE FOR CAPITAL, THAT'S ABOUT 1.6 MILLION. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. NOW. I THINK THIS IS THE TIME. 
          YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS THE TIME. I MEAN, LIKE I HAVE YEAH, I REALLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN TAKING THE EXTRA 3%. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF TAKING THE 1%, BUT TO TAKE THE 3% AND NOT HAVE IT BE ONGOING, I THINK WE COULD USE THAT BETTER IN THE FUTURE AS AN ONGOING COST OR ONGOING BAD. WELL, YOU DON'T GET THAT OPTION. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN EVER USE IT ON. THE CAMERA. I THINK I THINK I WAS FOLLOWING YOUR ARGUMENT AND PROBABLY AGREEING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A FUTURE CAPITAL. IF YOU WANT TO USE IT ON. YOU CAN'T EVER USE IT FOR ONGOING EXPENSES. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I'M SAYING IF WE TAKE IT NOW, THEN IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO US IN THE FUTURE. YEAH, YEAH. BUT ALSO I WORRY THAT THERE IS A RISK THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE IF THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THE RULES. YEAH. WELL, YEAH WE'VE TRIED ALWAYS A RISK. YEAH. EVERY YEAR. YEAH. WE'VE WE'VE SAID THAT FOR EIGHT YEARS. YEP. YEAH. I'M WITH YOU COUNCILOR FREEMAN. THAT'S REALLY ON THE TABLE. DO WE KNOW WHETHER THERE'S SOMETHING THAT LEGISLATIVE LEVEL. NO. THIS IS JUST POTENTIAL. THERE'S ALWAYS A POTENTIAL. YEAH. WELL I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING SPECIFIC. LAST YEAR WAS PRETTY GOOD ON THIS CONVERSATION. YEAH. OKAY. I'M WORRIED ABOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR LAND USES. YEAH. THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT OUR. YEAH. BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE THREAT IS, BRANDON. AND THEY'VE DONE IT TWICE BECAUSE JUST IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THE FOREGONE WASN'T LIMITED THAT WAY AT ALL. AND YOU GOT IT IN PERPETUITY. ONCE YOU TOOK IT, YOU GOT THAT MONEY IN PERPETUITY. AND THAT'S SO OUR CHANCE TO GET OUR 6 MILLION BACK EACH YEAR IN PERPETUITY HAS ALREADY PASSED BECAUSE THEY TOOK IT FROM US. OKAY. HOW MUCH IS FOR MANY YEARS, MARK? I SIT HERE AND TELL US, I TAKE IT BECAUSE IT'S YOUR ONLY CHANCE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT IN PERPETUITY. GOT IT. AND WE DID MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO SO WHERE WHERE WOULD YEP, YEP. SO I WOULD REMOVAL I MEAN, IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS. 
          THE CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW IS TO JUST REMOVE THE 3% FROM THE CONVERSATION. WE'VE GOT THREE NODS. OH NO, I DON'T THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND REMOVING IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THINK WE I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY QUALIFIES AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IN THAT REQUEST LIST. AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS START WITH THAT DECISION. THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS DECIDE WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE THAT ARE THERE, AND THEN SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST. 
          SO I WOULD I WOULD NOT LIKE TO START WITH THAT. I WOULD I WOULD START WITH ONE STATEMENT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ALL 3%. I CAN GUARANTEE THAT. I THINK A SMALL AMOUNT MIGHT MAKE SOME SENSE, BUT I WOULDN'T KNOW UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT QUALIFIES AND HOW CLOSE WE COULD COME TO FUNDING THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTAL NEEDS. OKAY, I'M LOOKING TO COUNCIL FOR. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SOME SPECIFIC GUIDANCE FROM FINANCE TO SAY WHICH WHICH ONE OF THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS WOULD QUALIFY UNDER THE 3% ONE TIME? YEAH. TWO QUESTIONS AT LEAST. MAYBE THREE. FIRST ONE IS, CAN TAKING ANY OF THAT 3% GO FOR A VARIETY OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, OR WOULD THAT BE ONE PROJECT? IT CAN BE A VARIETY AND IT HAS TO BE COMPLETE. YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE IT. BUT I AM NOT CLEAR ON HOW QUICKLY YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE IT. IT'S ACTUALLY GOT TO BE COMPLETED IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. NO, ACTUALLY, IT'S JUST SO YOU IDENTIFY A PROJECT TO SPEND THE 3% CAPITAL. IT'S FOR THAT TOTAL PROJECT. SO IT COULD GO INTO ANOTHER YEAR WITH THE GOAL IS ONCE YOU SPEND THAT 3% ON THAT PROJECT, THAT CAPITAL PROJECT, THE FUNDING GOES AWAY. OKAY. RIGHT. GOT THAT. OKAY. SO SECOND, ARE ANY. 
          IN REGARDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, PHASE ONE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WHERE SOME OF ITS DESIGN WORK, WOULD THAT COUNT AS A CAPITAL PROJECT? IT IT'S ONLY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, 
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EXPANSION, RENOVATION OR REPLACEMENT OF PUBLIC FACILITIES, WHICH INCLUDES ACQUISITION OF LAND OR FOR PUBLIC WORKS IMPROVEMENTS, ROADS, BRIDGES, WATER SYSTEMS, SEWER SYSTEMS, OR THE PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT THAT LASTS MORE THAN TEN YEARS. THAT'S WHAT THE 3% CAPITAL FOREGONE CAN GO TOWARDS. BUT WOULD DESIGN BE PART OF CONSTRUCTION? NO, JUST THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. YOU CAN'T HAVE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING FEES ASSIGNED TO A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. FROM THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN AND THE WAY WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. YEAH, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS A CITY WILL DESIGN SOMETHING AND THEN SHELVE IT, AND THEN IT'S NOT USED FOR ITS FULL CAPACITY OF, OF THE ACTUAL DOLLARS ITSELF. SO, SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THIS PARTICULAR STATUTE IS A LITTLE BIT LIMITING ON ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN, BECAUSE IT REALLY AVOIDS A MUNICIPALITY DESIGNING SOMETHING, SPENDING MONEY ON IT, AND THEN NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THE CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION SIDE. SO IT WAS PART OF LIKE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACT OR SOMETHING, AND IT WAS ALL IN. AND THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT. IT MIGHT BE. BUT YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE WITHOUT VALUE. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD IT, YOU GOT IT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S NOT LIKE LAND. YOU CAN BUY LAND AND IT'S STILL WORTH SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T BUILD ON IT. DO YOU THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CONSTRUCT THINGS THOUGH, IF YOU DON'T? DESIGN SEEMS KIND OF SHORTSIGHTED. AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE BLEACHERS AT THE ICE RINK, WOULD THAT COUNT AS A CAPITAL PROJECT? YEAH. YES, THAT WOULD BE A RENOVATION TO CAPITAL. AND IT'S GOING TO LAST MORE THAN TEN YEARS. BUT YOU CAN'T DESIGN THEM. YEAH, JUST JUST JUST THAT WOULD COUNT. YEAH. I BELIEVE YOU CAN NAPKIN. YOU CAN PUT IT ON A NAPKIN. 
          41410 YEAH. ON THE PRIORITIZED LIST, THE ONE TIME ITEMS SHOULD. IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THOSE PRIORITIZE ONE TIME ITEMS WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT 3%. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO MY SUGGESTION IS WE THINK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IN ORDER TO FUND SOME OF THE CAPITAL SO THAT IT FREES UP SOME MONEY FOR THE OTHER ITEMS. OH, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THEN. THE MONEY FOR THE POLICE COMPLEX THAT'S STILL AVAILABLE. THAT'S WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IT ONE TIME MONEY. CORRECT. WE CAN'T CONSIDER IT AS ONGOING. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO ABOUT 680 NUMBER IS WHAT'S LEFT OVER ONE TIME. ONE TIME. I UNDERSTAND IT'S SOURCE, BUT WE WE DEEM IT FOR THIS YEAR ONLY NOT THAT'S IT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. GOOD ONES. COUNCIL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR. THE LEGAL POLICE. THE FIRE THEY'RE PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST LIBRARIES HERE. WELCOME TO LIBRARIES. DO YOU ALSO WANT TO COME? I DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOU SIT AT THE BACK. YOU'RE NOT AT THE LITTLE KID TABLE. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO PULL YOUR CHAIRS UP TO THE TO THE YOU'RE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. MAKE ROOM NEXT TO ME. MICHELLE. COME ON. ROGER. 
          RIGHT HERE. ROGER. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT. WE DON'T HAVE A CHAIR FOR YOU. CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT ON. YES. OKAY. SO HERE'S MY OTHER THING. SEEMS YEAR AFTER YEAR WE ARE FINDING OURSELVES CUTTING THIS AND THAT. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REQUESTS, WE GO, OH, WE REALLY NEED ALL OF THESE THINGS. THEY'RE NOT EXTRANEOUS. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS SENTENCE. AND I HAVE IT TOO, THAT WE ARE NOT EAGER TO OVERTAX OR RANDOMLY TAX PROPERTY TAX OWNERS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE THE STATE HAS REFUSED TO MODIFY THAT. HOUSE BILL 389, AND BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO DO THAT, WE'RE STUCK WITH TAKING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS EXTRA. AND AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW. WE CAN'T GUESS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH FOREGONE IN THE LONG RUN FROM THE STATE LEVEL. SO THINKING ABOUT ADDING UP IN MY HEAD, LIKE EVEN 300,000 OUT OF THAT WOULD REALLY HELP US FUND THE ONGOING PART OF THE REQUEST BUDGET. BUT WE CAN'T TAKE 300,000 OUT OF THAT FOR ONGOING. I MUST HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. NO, YOU'RE 
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SAYING, THOUGH, TAKING 300 OUT OF THE CAPITAL. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. OH, I AGREE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NEVER MIND. FOLLOW. YEP. THAT'S MY I MEAN, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M REALIZING WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET ALL OF THAT REQUEST PROBABLY WOULDN'T MEET AT ALL IF WE TOOK SOME OF THE 3% ELEMENT. BUT TAKING SOME OF THAT WOULD HELP TO REDUCE THE PRESSURE ON THE ONGOING REQUESTS. LIKE TO CAPTAIN TRAINERS AND REQUESTS FROM POLICE OR STAFF. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT AWAY. I WANT TO WAIT AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AND GO, OH, MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. COUNSEL, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPROACH? DO YOU WANT TO JUST SAY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WOULD? IT'S LIKE KIND OF START ADDING AND SAY, THIS IS A PRIORITY, OR I'D TAKE THIS PART OR WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION. SO, I MEAN, I GUESS BACK TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS'S FIRST QUESTION HERE. SO I COULD START WITH IF THERE'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THEN I WOULD COUNT THE RESTROOMS AT STATION FOUR. I'D COUNT TO 2000 FOR THE CONNECT BOXES. AND IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THE RECREATION REQUESTS WOULD FIT THE CAPITAL. SO I HAVE THAT AS 232 000 OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT. I MAY BE OUT, BUT THOSE COME OUT TO. 330,000 $330,000, MORE OR LESS. THOSE ARE THE ONES I SEE RIGHT AWAY. THAT ARE POTENTIAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OUT OF THE REQUESTS. AND IT ALSO SAY RIGHT UP FRONT THAT ONE OF MY PRIORITIES IS THAT EXTRA ATTORNEY AND DOING SOMETHING TO MEET FIRES REQUESTS. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT CAPTAIN, EXCUSE ME, CHIEF OLSEN'S EXPLANATION OF WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR, HE'S REALLY LOOKING AT OUR PRIORITIES AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT STEPS CAN GET US THERE. 
          AND IF WE DON'T START ON THOSE STEPS NOW, THEY'LL JUST BE WORSE TO GET TO NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S MY REASONING ON THIS BUDGET. SO THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE ONE TIME ADDED UP IS 336 440. THAT COULD COME OUT OF THE CAPITAL FOREGONE AND 336. YEAH. OKAY. BROOKS, DO YOU HAVE THAT BACK TO YOU? DO YOU HAVE THAT IN A FORMULA SO THAT WE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT BRINGS UP THE BUSINESS AT 500,000. YEAH. WHAT'S THE PROPERTY TAX IMPLICATION FOR THE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS. IT'S ABOUT $8 OR FIVE BECAUSE 500,000 WAS EIGHT WASN'T IT. YEAH. YEAH I WOULD I WOULD ASSUME IT'S ABOUT 6 TO $7 IMPACT FOR THE. WORK ON THIS. NOT SURPRISE ME. YEAH. IT'S 100 FOR UNDER RECREATION. WELL I ALREADY CHECKED THEM OUT. ON THOSE THINGS EVERY WEEK. OKAY. 
          SO IT'S A IT'S ABOUT A $10 IMPACT FOR A HOUSE AT 375,000. IF WE USE 336 FOR THE YEAR, FOR THE YEAR. SO LESS THAN A DOLLAR A MONTH, SORRY, NO, THAT'S PER MONTH OF 118 PER YEAR. SORRY I HAD TO HIDE THEMSELVES. SO THIS COLUMN HERE. IS THE BOTTOM LINE. HERE IS THE 3%. WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE THE BIGGER SLIDE SO WE CAN KIND OF. OKAY, SO OH, NOT THAT ONE. SORRY. THE ONE WHERE YOU HAD IT BROKEN DOWN IN YOUR PRESENTATION. THE POWERPOINT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. BUT I CAN CHANGE IT AND MODIFY IT AS WE GO. SHE'S JUST ASKING FOR IT TO BE BIGGER. 
          OR YOU COULD JUST YEAH, INCREASE THE SIZE. JUST INCREASE THE SIZE SO WE CAN. 
          YEAH. I KNOW HE HAS THAT. BECAUSE THE I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE ADDING THE 530 AND FORGONE INCREASED IT. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF THE OF THE 1% FOREGONE. THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS THAN A 1% ADDITIONAL ADDITION. SO MANY RESIDENCES ARE YOU USING IN YOUR FORMULA HERE? IT IS NOT BASED ON RESIDENCE. IT'S JUST BASED ON TOTAL VALUATION, OVERALL VALUATION. BUT YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S IT'S ONLY INCREASING $2 FROM JUST STATUTORY GROWTH. YEAH. SO IT'S A $2 BENEFIT TO BE ABLE TO IT'S, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THIS COLUMN? THE SECOND ROW IS THE CHANGE ANNUALLY. THE BOTTOM IS THE PER 
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MONTH. PER MONTH. IT'S ONLY A TWO. CORRECT. SO $2 MORE A MONTH FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL $450,000 HOUSE. OKAY. WHERE IT GETS HARDER AS BUSINESSES. AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN TRUE. AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER IMPACT. YEAH. BUT FOR 2 MILLION, IT'S $64 A MONTH. YEAH. CORRECT. 
          AS OPPOSED TO 47. SO OKAY, I THINK I PROBABLY IT'S NOT OVERWHELMING. IT'S ONE TIME. 
          YEAH. ONE TIME. SO I MEAN, GO BACK AND THINK THROUGH THAT. IT'S, IT'S A ONE TIME NEXT YEAR IT WOULD GO AWAY. YEAH. SO WE'D BE TAKING WE'D BE REDUCING FOREGONE FROM 4 MILLION. WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT NUMBER WAS? THE 336. NO I'M SORRY. THE TOTAL TOTAL FOREGONE. WE STILL HAVE OUTSTANDING. THREE OH 5 MILLION. 4 MILLION. WE HAVE OVER 5 MILLION. SO WE HAVE SO WE'D BE DROPPING THAT FOUR RIGHT. WELL NO WE WOULDN'T REMEMBER 336, 336 PLUS 530. 
          YEAH. SO CLOSE TO A MILLION. SO PLUS 530 FOR THOSE THE 1% COUNT. THAT'S INTERESTING. YEAH. 
          THAT'S OKAY. I SEE. SO SO WE'D BE REDUCING ALL FOREGONE. WE'D BE GOING DOWN TO ABOUT 4.7 MILLION LEFT. BUT IF YOU TOOK THE 4%, ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD TAKE TEN YEARS FOR YOUR 1% UTILIZED. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEP. IT INCREASES EVERY YEAR. SO A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT. BUT YEAH, I'M LIKE, SO YEAH, BUT IF WE USE UP ALL THE, ALL THE FOREGONE, ALL THE 1% WE'VE ADDED STILL CONTINUES, I MEAN, THEY'LL DISAPPEAR. IT'S JUST THE 3% REDUCTION. AND I WILL SAY, BUT THIS IS MY 11TH BUDGET. AND WE ALWAYS SAY, OKAY, BUT IF WE TAKE SOME OF THAT AWAY, THEN IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 6 MILLION. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND IT JUST KEEPS BUILDING. YEAH. WE'VE NOT GOTTEN ANYWHERE. YEAH. BUT TO YOUR POINT. YOU GOT TO CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN AND IF YOU HAVE TO. RIGHT. THESE ARE WHAT WE GOT TO DO TODAY, RIGHT. I THINK IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T TALK ENOUGH ABOUT THAT. I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE PROUD OF A LITTLE BIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR, AND OUR AREA IS THAT WE'RE AT $8 BILLION IN VALUATION. WHEN MICHELLE AND I CAME ON, IT WAS 3 TO 4 BILLION. AND I MEAN, THERE'S BUSINESS GROWTH, BUT THERE'S ALSO JUST OUR ALL OF OUR HOMES ARE WORTH THAT MUCH MORE MONEY. SO IT'S A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE STORY OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS I, I COULD I CAN CONSIDER THAT. SO SO LET'S START ADDING UP. SO THAT LEAVES US WITH 1.388979 LEFT. AND PRIORITIZE REQUESTS. 
          HEY, I MAPPED THAT ALL BY MYSELF. BY THE WAY, I JUST LOOK UP BEFORE YOU GO, OH, THERE IT IS. AND SO, SO NOW WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND NO, I THINK WE'D BE IN THE BLACK AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT WOULD FUND ALL OF THAT 1.7, ALL THE REST OF THE REQUESTS FULLY FUNDED OF THIS PRIORITIZED LIST. AND THEN WE'D HAVE 126 000 POTENTIALLY UNOBLIGATED. SO IF WE DON'T. SO WE COULD ONLY USE 200 AND BASICALLY BECOME NET DEBT, RIGHT. WE COULD ALSO DO THAT. 
          WE COULD JUST REDUCE IT AND NET ZERO. I'M READY TO GO HOME. YEAH, I COULD DO THAT TOO. I MEAN EVERYTHING'S VALUABLE IF WE DON'T HAVE PRIORITIES FOR 126. WE HAVE A WHOLE, WE HAVE A WHOLE ONE OF THESE ONES THAT ARE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH, YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE ANY. THAT WOULD BE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY UNFUNDED PRIORITIES, PRIORITIES. AND WHEN YOU GET TO 126, 300 MILLION SUPER PRIORITY, RIGHT? WHEN YOU GET TO 126,300 MILLION, IT'S IT'S KIND OF THEORY. 
          ANYWAY, I'LL JUST THROW A LITTLE FREE IN THERE FOR. WE ALSO PERHAPS MIGHT HAVE A 4TH OF JULY WE MIGHT WANT TO INVEST IN NEXT YEAR. OH YEAH. SO THERE IS THE, THERE WAS MONEY THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR A POTENTIAL AIR SHOW ONE DAY. AND I THINK BROOKS, DO WE HAVE LIKE ABOUT 130, 160, 160 SET ASIDE FOR THAT. WE DO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY THIS UPCOMING WEEK TO START HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. SO AT LEAST FOR THIS YEAR, THERE IS POTENTIAL. 
          YOU PUT THAT 126 IN A SPECIAL EVENTS FUND. IT IS A SPECIAL EVENTS FUND. NO, NO, NO, THIS IS WHAT SHE'S SAYING. OH YEAH. YEAH. IF WE WERE TO DO THE FULL 336 AND HAVE THIS LEFT OVER, WE COULD PUT THAT. CAN WE JUST DO. 35126 SPECIAL EVENTS THAT'S BUGGING THE MATH IN YOU. SO YEAH, CAN WE, CAN WE AGREE TO ROUND THE FOREGONE TO 350,000? YES. GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY FUND. YEAH. YEAH. FIREWORK. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. AND ONLY WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT 
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FUNDING OF FIREWORKS AS A BASE, BUT STILL ATTRACT THE. OH YEAH. OH YEAH. WE'VE GOT IT. WE'VE GOT TO FIND SPONSORS. THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO TAKE QUITE A BIT OF MESSAGING AROUND WHATEVER FIREWORKS HAPPENS. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE TALKED TO BOTH REALLY HIGH LEVEL AT MELALEUCA AND AT BALL VENTURES, THERE COSTS, IT WAS JUST BECAME ALMOST JUST COST PROHIBITIVE TO, TO DO ALL THE TALKING. AND THAT WASN'T THE CITY SIDE. WE WERE STILL DOING OUR HUGE PORTION PLUS THE POLICE COSTS FOR THE FIREWORKS. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS. RIGHT? TRAFFIC CONTROL. SO I DO THINK THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A MUCH LARGER EXPENSE THAN JUST LIGHTING UP SOME FIREWORKS OR GETTING SOME DRONES. COUNCIL COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ROUNDING THAT FOREGONE NUMBER TO 350,000? THE SMALLER THE BETTER. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHAT I CAN FIND. SO I THINK THAT WAS A YES, I THINK SO. MY ONLY CONCERN HERE IS THE ADDITIONAL OTHER COSTS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE USING THOSE ONGOING MONIES HAS TO BE WE'RE WE'RE TAKING THOSE ONE TIMES OUT OF ONE TIME MONEY. YES. WE DON'T HAVE ONGOING MONEY FOR THOSE OTHER REQUESTS. 
          RIGHT. SORRY. BROOKS. SO THE COP MONEY IS ONLY ONE TIME. WE DON'T WANT TO FUND A PERSON OR AN OPERATIONAL COST, RIGHT. WE CAN'T GO ABOVE 336, 440. COUNCILOR DINGMAN, I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. DID YOU SAY ROUNDED TO 350? YEAH, BUT I THINK WE'RE 350. 
          WE'RE BACK NOW. WE'RE WE'RE BACK TO THE 3364 40. SO TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT FUNDING ANY, WE'RE NOT USING ANY OF THOSE DOLLARS TO FUND ONGOING COSTS. EXACTLY. YEP. SO WE STILL HAVE 200,000 TOO MUCH, 220,000 TOO MUCH IN ONGOING COSTS. THE ONGOING MONEY WE HAVE. SO WE HAVE TO CUT FROM THIS LIST. YEAH. SORRY TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS. A TOTAL OF WHAT? 228, 292 2220. WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER BEFORE THE 330 BEING OFFSET? IT WAS THE SAME. 
          WE JUST MOVED BETWEEN ONE TIME MONIES FROM THE COP MONEY TO THE 3% FOREGONE. SO WE HAVE TO CUT 221. 220,500 WOULD BE CONSIDERED ONGOING PERSONNEL ONGOING. ANYTHING THAT'S ONGOING. SO ALL THE ONE TIME IS GOOD. SO. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TRAINING FACILITY OR. THE TRAINING OFFICERS RECORD SYSTEM FOR POLICE UPGRADES. DISPATCHER PAY SCALE FOR SWORN OFFICERS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY GIFT. CAN I FILTER DOWN THE LIST UP ON THE SCREEN TO JUST THOSE ONGOING ONES? JUST. NO, IT'S NOT OKAY. THEY CAN'T COME. ALL RIGHT. SO BROOKS HAS FILTERED THIS LIST DOWN. I THINK. THEY'RE NOT VERY CUTTABLE IN TERMS OF YOU CAN'T CUT ONE PERSON. OKAY. BUT YEAH, YOU TOOK THE 250 OUT FOR THE TRAINING FACILITY THAT WASN'T INCLUDED. THAT WAS A ONE TIME COST. RIGHT. BUT IT'S NOT INCLUDED. OH, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. 
          SO THESE ARE THE. ALL RIGHT. SO GO BACK. YEAH. THIS IS THE WE BASICALLY HAVE TO FIND $220,000 OUT OF THESE REQUESTS. SEE ILLEGAL. YES. WOULD YOU LIKE WOULD YOU LIKE DIRECTORS TO. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING TURN IT INTO ANY KIND OF A HUNGER GAMES, BUT JUST KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR SOME OF THEIR PRIORITIES THAT WAY AND LIBRARY AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS OR WHAT IS THAT? OR WHAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE OR, YOU KNOW, PART TIME OR WHATEVER, LIKE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT, THAT YOU HAVE? I MEAN, WE GOT TO COME UP WITH HOW MUCH? YEAH, I MEAN, 220 I'M REALLY STRUGGLING BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OVERTIME PROBLEM AGAIN IN FIRE, RIGHT. IS THIS GONNA HELP YOUR OVERTIME PROBLEM? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THOSE THINGS ARE RELATED. THERE IS A RELATION. THE OBVIOUSLY ONE OF OUR MORE CHALLENGING THINGS WITH OVERTIME IS BEING ABLE TO TRAIN OUR PEOPLE AND GET THEM PREPARED. RIGHT NOW, WHENEVER WE DO ANY KIND OF TRAINING, WE 
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ARE BRINGING PEOPLE IN OFF DUTY BECAUSE THOSE THAT ARE ON DUTY HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE TO RUN CALLS. SO THIS WOULD HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE IMPACTFUL FOR THAT, PARTICULARLY DURING RECRUIT ACADEMIES. I BROUGHT THAT UP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. SO YOU'RE TAKING SOMEBODY OFF DUTY TO TRAIN THE ACADEMY, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THEN YOU'RE HIRING SOMEONE ON OVERTIME TO FILL THEIR POSITION, RIGHT? YEAH. BECAUSE YOU HAVE MINIMUM STANDARDS. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK ALSO, YOU LOOK AT OUR OVERTIME SITUATION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT THERE'S AN OVERTIME ISSUE IN FIRE. THIS IS THE TIME OF YEAR WHERE THE OPTICS ARE NOT GOOD. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR OVERTIME BECAUSE OF WILDLAND DEPLOYMENTS, WHICH IS ALL REIMBURSABLE, RIGHT? SO UNTIL WE HAVE THE TOTAL PICTURE, WE CAN'T LIKE WE CAN'T RUN AGAINST OR RUN THOSE NUMBERS AGAINST. SHALL WE START GETTING OUR REIMBURSEMENTS ON THAT? BECAUSE YES, WE DO FRONT THOSE INITIALLY. THE OTHER CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WHEN WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED, AS FAR AS LIKE OUR OUR OVERALL APPROVED FTE POSITIONS, YOU KNOW, WE IT TAKES ABOUT NINE MONTHS TO GET A NEW EMPLOYEE OPERATIONAL. AND SO DURING THAT ENTIRE TIME FRAME AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE 141 OUT OF 144. AND WE'RE BEFORE THE YEAR IS OVER, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOWN SEVEN EMPLOYEES. SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER OUR OUR MINIMUM STAFFING REQUIREMENTS AND CONTRACT LANGUAGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE HAVE TO THEY BECOME NON-DISCRETIONARY OVERTIME. WE WE. DEPUTY CHIEF RADFORD JUST RAN THOSE NUMBERS FOR ME. AND ABOUT 55% OF OUR OVERTIME IS NON-DISCRETIONARY. I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED TRYING TO PHASE THIS IN OVER TIME IF THAT WAS WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF HIRING BOTH OF THESE TRAINING OFFICERS AT THE SAME TIME, COULD YOU HIRE ONE THIS YEAR AND ONE NEXT YEAR? OR IS THAT IS THAT I MEAN, THE ANSWER IS YES. I WISH I HAD PULLED UP MY EXPLANATION. I GAVE BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS ASKED THE EXACT SAME THING. BUT THE THE TWO TRAINING OFFICERS IS KIND OF A. THE PLAN BEHIND IT IS A COMBINATION OF PARTNERSHIP THAT WOULD HELP MEET THE DEMANDS OF THAT. OF AN ABSURDLY UNDERSTAFFED DIVISION WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT. AND THEN YOU START TRYING TO BALANCE WHERE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE POSITION VERSUS TWO, WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE MOST VALUABLE IMPACT ON THE DEPARTMENT? AND HONESTLY, THE COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO. PUT THAT IN FIRST PLACE FOR MY ASKS FROM EMPLOYEE POSITIONS. OKAY, MAYOR, CAN I JUST ASK? I, I STILL THINK ON A $320 MILLION BUDGET WHEN YOU START GETTING TO THIS LEVEL AND WE'RE DOWN TO $200,000, IS THERE NOT THAT MUCH SAVINGS EACH YEAR IN WHAT YOU I MEAN, THIS IS MORE OF AN ART THAN A PERFECT SCIENCE. BROOKS. ARE YOU? I KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD SAY, OKAY, DEPARTMENTS, GO BACK AND CUT 220 THEN. YEAH, IT'S BETTER THAN US SITTING HERE AND DOING. YEAH, I CAN SEE WHAT I CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS OVER THE NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO FIND 200,000 IN SAVINGS BY. IF WE TELL THE FISCAL DIVISION YOU'VE GOT. WE'VE GOT TO TRY TO FIND THAT OVER TIME. AND WE DON'T REPLACE A POSITION THAT COMES OPEN OR WE DON'T REPLACE TWO OR. I JUST THINK THIS DOESN'T SEEM THE BEST WAY. YEAH, I CAN, I, I WAS JUST ACTUALLY HEADED THERE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY WE COULD MAYBE START TO THINK ABOUT OUR SPECIAL, OUR GOVERNMENTAL FUND, SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, STREET REC LIBRARY, GOLF, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT. I THINK MAYBE IF WE ASKED LIBRARY TO GO BACK, I MEAN, I KNOW THEY ASKED FOR MORE THAN THE 3%. SO THEY, THEY WOULD BE ONES THAT WOULD ALSO WE WOULD SAY GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE OFF SOMERSET. I MEAN, BECAUSE REC DIDN'T GET MORE THAN 3% STREETS DIDN'T GET MORE THAN 3%. SO TO TRY AND BE BALANCING LIBRARY WITH MORE THAN 3%, I'D SAY THAT THEY WOULD ALSO BE ONE OF THOSE THAT WE WOULD GO BACK AND SAY, WE'RE NOT ALL GETTING FUNDED. I THINK BY THE TIME WE ADD MAYBE SOME REC FEES INTO IT, THERE ARE OTHER THERE'S ALWAYS OTHER CONCERNS. AND BROOKS, YOU CAN MAYBE SPEAK MORE TO THIS, BUT THERE SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION OR SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF FUDGE IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, BUT THERE IS SOME OF THAT MONEY. BUT I ALSO 
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KNOW THAT THAT THE COUNTY MIGHT NOT BE GETTING AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY HAD THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GET BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE THEY'D ALREADY COLLECTED IT. AND THEN NOW THEY'RE IN SOME LEGAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THE MONEY THEY'VE ALREADY COLLECTED AND GIVEN TO US. SO WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT OF A REFUND. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS WE JUST DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. AND SO THERE IS THERE IS MONEY. COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THERE IS MONEY. BUT THAT IS KIND OF FOR THAT SPECIAL. SO MAYBE THERE IS A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND ASK, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR SOME OF THAT BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND ALL OF THAT, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S A BETTER USE THAN TO SAY, CUT OFF A WHOLE PERSON OR. YEAH, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF THAT WOULD BE IF THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL'S PRIORITY, I'M SURE THE DIRECTORS WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIT HERE. IF WE CUT A PERCENTAGE OF THE LIBRARY, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. YEAH. I'M SAYING LIKE, YOU'D HAVE TO SAY A, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED, RIGHT. YOU'D SAY, WELL, I'M NOT I'M NOT IN THE LIBRARY FUND. OPERATIONAL TAX LEVY GETTING DECREASED BY 50%. SO THE ASK HERE, THE ASK HERE IS I'M SAYING LIKE, BUT CUTTING IT BY HALF. YEAH. SO YEAH, THE ASK OF THE 201,000 IS AN ADDITION TO THEIR 93 THAT THEY'VE GOT, WHICH IS THEIR 3% INCREASE, JUST THE NORMAL 3%. YEP. SO THIS WOULD BUMP THEM UP TO ABOUT A 10% INCREASE IF YOU DID THE 201 RIGHT. COUNCIL GOT A PRESENTATION ON THIS. AND THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE LITTLE CHART IN HERE AS WELL. AND A LOT OF THE HISTORICAL WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. WE USUALLY HAVE 200 TO 500,000 THAT CAN KIND OF SWING. THAT'S USUALLY MADE UP IN EXCESS REVENUES OR INTEREST EARNINGS BEYOND WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED, WHICH IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE SOURCE TO PLAN FOR FOR AN ONGOING PERSON. OR. SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD CAUTION ON ASSUMING WE CAN ABSORB IT, BECAUSE OUR PERSONNEL COSTS ARE OUTPACING OUR REVENUES. SO THAT'S WHERE THE ONGOING COSTS, IF IT'S ONGOING AND INCREASING YEAR AFTER YEAR, IT'S USUALLY GOING TO INCREASE BEYOND OUR REVENUES WE EXPECT. AND SO IF WE'RE ASKING THE DEPARTMENTS TO CUT TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THESE NEW THINGS, THEY'RE CUTTING EXISTING FUNCTIONS AND OPERATIONS. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT YOU'RE PROJECTIONS ARE SO ACCURATE BASED ON HOW MANY 800 EMPLOYEES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE $200,000 IN PAYROLL SAVINGS THAT'S COMING? IT DEPENDS ON THE DEPARTMENT. WE ALWAYS HAVE ATTRITION, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY IS ONE AREA WHERE IF WE HAVE OVERTURN OR TURNOVER, THEY'RE HAVING MORE OVERTIME. AND SO THEY USUALLY ABSORB THEIR BUDGET THROUGH THAT. THAT VACANCY SAVINGS IS ABSORBED WITH OTHER COSTS, OFTEN OTHER DEPARTMENTS THEY TRULY HAVE. YEP. WE HAD SOMEONE RETIRE. THEY SAVED 30 GRAND BECAUSE THE NEW PERSON CAME IN AND HAD THE CHEAPEST HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION. SO OR, AND THEY START AT THE ENTRY LEVEL OF THE PAY SCALE. SO THERE IS GENERALLY SOME SAVINGS. BUT WHAT WE THAT THAT VARIES DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT AND OPERATION, BY DEPARTMENT OR OPERATION BY OPERATION. AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO WITH MARK AS WELL, IS TRYING NOT TO GET SO CLOSE TO THAT LINE, BECAUSE NEXT YEAR WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT BENEFITS AGAIN, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF INCREASING THE SALARIES OF THE STAFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE REALLY DO TRY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, OF WORKABLE ROOM. SO WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THE FOLLOWING YEAR AS RIGHT UP TO THE LINE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I AGREE, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU'RE AT 300 MILLION AND YOU'RE DOWN TO 200,000, YOUR YOUR MARGINS HERE. WELL, EXCEPT EXCEPT YOU CAN'T SAY THE 300 MILLION, YOU'RE AT 56. I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU GOT TO CUT THAT DOWN INTO, INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THE GENERAL FUND. 
          YEAH. YOU GOT IN PLAY. YEAH. IT'S NOT THE IT'S NOT FULL. I WISH IT WAS. I WISH IT WAS THE ENTERPRISE. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THESE POSITIONS WITH THESE THERE'S NO ONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SAY, OH, THE POLICE DOESN'T NEED THEIR YOU KNOW, DISPATCHER. AND THE FIRE SHOULD HAVE ONE LESS PERSON AT THIS. WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THIS NUMBER OF 200,000 AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS FUNDED, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN ASK THE DIRECTORS TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND LOOK AT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BRING THEM ON OR, YOU KNOW, SEE WHERE THIS ALL KIND OF FITS FOR $200,000 SHOULD BE SOLVABLE WITH THE DIRECTOR. WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN GO DO THAT. WE CAN GO DO THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THAT'S, I THINK AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY DOES. 
          OKAY. IT'LL BE THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT US TO BRING BACK A PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CUT? AND YOU HAVE TILL MONDAY, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT IS THE OR NEXT MONDAY? BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU HAD TO HAVE THIS READY, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO THURSDAY NIGHT, NEXT THURSDAY, JULY 30TH, WE NEED TO ANNOUNCE WHAT THE NOT TO EXCEED. 
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BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN NOT TO EXCEED. THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T MATTER. YEAH. THE NOT TO EXCEED WILL BE FINE. SO YOU HAVE MORE TIME. WE HAVE MORE TIME. BUT BUT WE WILL DO THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT AND WE'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL WE'LL LOOK. SO YOU COULD COULD WE SQUEEZE THAT INTO OUR COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON MONDAY. YES. WELL TALK ABOUT I MEAN TO TRY AND PULL ALL THE DIRECTORS TOGETHER AND JUST HAVE THIS BIGGER, BROADER CONVERSATION. WE SOME FUTURE WORK SESSION. YEAH. BUT WE WILL HAVE A FUTURE WORK SESSION BEFORE WE HAVE THE HEARING FOR SURE. OKAY. SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE 3%? HOW MUCH OF THAT NUMBER IS NO, NO, NO. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS WORKED OUT, I, I HAVE TO PROPOSE THE BUDGET BY FUND AND DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. SO WE DO NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY. WE COULD PUT IT INTO NON-DEPARTMENTAL AND THEN ALLOCATE IT OUT LATER AND MAKE A CHANGE CAPACITY. SO WE COULD SAY, YEP, LET'S TAKE IT ALL IN. 
          WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT YET. I THINK THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR THIS PLACEHOLDER. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD, I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY PUT IT ALL BACK ON THE TABLE AGAIN. 
          WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT PERSONNEL AND NOT BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE ON THE PATH THAT WE'RE GOING. AND THIS IS GENERALLY A PERSONNEL ASK AND BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO I JUST WANT TO BE THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL OF THE CAPITAL EXPENSES INTO THE 3% FOREGONE. AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN. YEAH. YEP. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO BE. BUT I THINK THAT IS THE. WE SHOULD ALSO SAY, THOUGH, THAT WE SAID NO TO A LOT OF FULL TIME POSITIONS. WE DID. OH, FOR SURE. THOSE WERE JUST NOT THE PRIORITIZED ONES. I MEAN, IT HAD THE I MEAN THERE ARE THINGS THAT DEPARTMENTS. 
          THEY CAME TO THE TABLE ALREADY VERY THIN THIS YEAR. SO IN IN MOVING TO THE 3% FOREGONE, WE HAVE EXTRA AVAILABLE IN THE COP MONEY. DO YOU WANT TO USE THE COP MONEY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO LEVY FOREGONE, OR DO YOU WANT TO FUND ADDITIONAL CAPITAL PROJECTS? OH, OFFICER. ARE YOU FOLLOWING THAT? SO I, I DON'T WANT TO BE HELD AT GUNPOINT, BUT THE FOREGONE TRUSTING THE STATE NOT TO PULL THAT OUT FROM UNDER US. YOU KNOW, AT SOME FUTURE DATE THAT IF WE IF WE DON'T, IF WE KEEP PUSHING IT FORWARD, NOT USING IT, ARE THEY GOING TO COME UP ONE YEAR AND THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO SAY, YEAH, YOUR FOREGROUND IS GONE. IS THAT A RISK? YES. ALWAYS A RISK. ALWAYS A RISK. THE QUESTION IS, HAVE THEY LIMITED ENOUGH TO BE HAPPY? THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THEY'VE LIMITED US SO MUCH NOW ARE THEY LESS LIKELY TO GO AFTER IT AGAIN? RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. I MEAN, WE'RE I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL, BUT WE COULD USE THE MONEY TO DO WHAT BROOKS WAS THINKING ORIGINALLY TO SIDESTEP THOUGHT TO WITH THE COP MONEY, TREAT IT AS IF IT WERE A GRANT, SPLIT IT UP OVER FOUR YEARS, AND OFFSET THE ONGOING COSTS WITH THE NEW RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SO THE ENTIRE PAIN DOESN'T HIT ONE YEAR WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE 25 30,000 INCREMENTS OVER OVER THE YEAR TO MAKE IT A LOT EASIER TO ABSORB THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT WAS FORCED ON US. AND THAT'S THE FIRE AND POLICE RIGHT? FIRES PORTION IS ABOUT 29,000. THAT'S BUILT INTO THEIR BUDGET. SO JUST TAKE CARE OF THE 192 THOUGH. CORRECT. WHICH PRETTY MUCH GETS US THERE ANYWAY. YEAH, YEAH. WE FUND THE MANAGEMENT WITH COP. THAT WOULD GET US PRETTY MUCH THERE. AND THEN BETWEEN THE COP FACILITY, PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE'S AN ACCESS TO THAT. I MEAN, IT'LL, IT'LL LOOK LIKE AN INCREASED ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS NEXT YEAR BY A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS THIS YEAR. SO, I MEAN, EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE ROOM NOW WILL BE IN THE ROOM NEXT YEAR. YEAH WE WILL. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT ONE YEAR. YEAH. SO JUST WON'T BE THE BIGGEST. I MEAN WE'RE THERE. THEN YOU GUYS CAN GO FIND YOUR $26,000 CUT OVER THERE. YEAH. AND THAT KEEPS THE LIBRARY LEVY AND THE REC LEVY. 
          IT KEEPS EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYONE ELSE. YEAH. SO YEAH, THAT THAT JUST LEAVES US 2000. 
          FINE. WE CAN GO UP. YOU CAN FIGURE THIS OUT. I'M COOKING. NO, NO. DO YOUR DO YOUR ACCOUNTING FINANCIAL EXPERT JOB AND WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK. CAN WE ALL JUST ACKNOWLEDGE HOW GREAT BROOKS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. IT'S A BIG. THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS. I THINK I TALKED TO ALMOST EVERY DIRECTOR TODAY AND YESTERDAY, SO I APPRECIATE IT. AND HOURS THAT SHE HAS SPENT GETTING US TO THIS POINT WHERE WE HAVE. I MEAN, FOR ME, IT'S THE MOST CLARITY ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE THE MONEY IS. AND SHE JUST HAS GIVEN ME DATA AFTER DATA TO COME. AND SO THANK YOU, BROOKS. I REALLY LIKED THE PRESENTATION TODAY ON HOW IT IMPACTED THE GENERAL FUND FROM THOSE SPECIFIC LIKE THE LIBRARY. AND WE HADN'T EVER HAD THAT KIND OF NO BOOK 
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BECAUSE WE'D HEAR ABOUT ABOUT GOLF OR THERE WERE THINGS LIKE IN THE BACK. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO, SO CAN I JUST SUMMARIZE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ADOPTING AND PROPOSING THIS THE WAY IT'S INTENDED? WE ARE PLANNING TO FUND THOSE ONE TIME REQUESTS WITH 3% FOREGONE, AND WE'RE GOING TO ROUND IT UP TO 350, A NICE EVEN NUMBER. THEN WE'LL PLAN TO FUND THE OTHER ONE TIME REQUESTS THAT AREN'T ELIGIBLE FOR 3% OUT OF THE COP MONEY AND THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OUT OF THE COP MONEY. THE REST OF THOSE ONGOING COSTS OUT OF GROWTH AND THE 1% FOREGONE. 
          YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YOU'RE GOOD. YOU FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON SOLID GROUND WITH THE BUDGET? YES. YEP. WE WILL BE GOOD. OKAY. SO WHAT THAT WILL MEAN IS WE'LL HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS, ONE FOR THE 1% FOREGONE AND THE 3% FOREGONE OF INTENT TO USE IT. SO WE'LL BE BRINGING THOSE TO YOU. AND THEN WE HAVE TO PUBLISH, NOTICE AND HOLD A HEARING FOR THOSE THAT WILL DO THAT, IN ADDITION TO JUST THE BUDGET NOTICE AND HEARING, AS WELL AS THE FEES NOTICE AND HEARING. WE'VE DONE THAT EVERY YEAR. I THINK WE'VE LOST. YEAH, THE RHYTHM FEELS RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN WE HAVE TO FILE THAT RESOLUTION WITH THE COUNTY CLERK IN IDAHO TAX COMMISSION AS WELL. AND AS WE AS WE LOOK FOR THIS COUNCIL, THERE COULD BE. WE'LL WE'LL COMMUNICATE WELL WITH IT. BUT THERE IS ALWAYS THAT IDEA OF, WELL, HERE'S THE HERE'S THE ONE TIME, BUT WE HAVE ONE TIME COST IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO SAY, HERE'S A PROJECT, RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO FOUR PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO FUND WITH, WITH THE 3%. SO THERE WILL THERE COULD BE SOME DIFFERENT. IT MIGHT LOOK DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES FORWARD, BUT THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO, TO MANAGE ONE PROJECT THROUGH FOREGONE THAN IT IS TO HANDLE ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO, SO, BUT IT'S THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS ABSOLUTELY THE SAME. YEAH. AND THE INTENTION OF THE 1%, WE WERE PLANNING TO HAVE THAT BE KIND OF A PUBLIC SAFETY PACKAGE OF PEOPLE AND COSTS, WHICH IT CLEARLY IS. YEAH, YEAH. SO, SO CAN WE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 2 OR 3 DAYS, GET A SUMMARY SHEET SPREADSHEET BY FRIDAY, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT. YEAH. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE MY AGENDA IN ALL OF THIS. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. THAT IS, I DID ASK CARLA TO GET, I THINK, SIX PIZZAS INSTEAD OF FIVE, BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, BUT YOU DIDN'T EAT ENOUGH. SO PLEASE GRAB A SLICE PIZZA ON YOUR WAY OUT. SO CAN I JUST CLARIFY? WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO ANY BUDGET DISCUSSION ON THE MONDAY WORK SESSION. WE THINK WE HAVE EVERYTHING WRAPPED UP. OR DO YOU WANT THESE TO COME ON MONDAY? LET'S LOOK AT THE LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE. THE PLAN IS PROBABLY. YES. A QUICK LOOK AT IT, BUT I JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL AGENDA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT GOING ON. OKAY. AND THEN WE'VE BEEN ADDING THINGS AS WE KNEW THAT THIS BUDGET WAS WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH. WE'VE BEEN SAYING, OH YEAH, BRING BACK THIS OR BRING BACK THAT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK OUR RED TAG IS THAT COMING TO US ON RED TAG IS COMING ON MONDAY. SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, BUT THE PLAN IS TO BRING SOMETHING ON MONDAY. OKAY. AND THEN JULY 30TH IS WHEN WE'LL BRING THE PROPOSED NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT SO THAT WE CAN THEN NOTICE IT FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET HEARING ON THE 13TH OF AUGUST, AND THEN THE ADOPTION AND APPROVAL ON THE 27TH. SO THAT'LL BE NOTICES AND HEARINGS FOR THE BUDGET FEE CHANGES AND THEN FOREGONE 1%. AND THE WHATEVER PERCENT BECOMES FOR THAT 350,000 FOR CAPITAL. AND JUST A REMINDER, STATE STATUTE REQUIRES US TO DO TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'VE GOT THAT ALREADY STAGED AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. TRAVEL SAFE.
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