Jun 01, 2026 City Council Work Session

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

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OUR CLERK AND ESTABLISH OUR QUORUM. I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LEE IS GONE. HE DID HAVE THIS TRAVEL PLAN EARLY IN JANUARY, BUT HE PLANS TO LISTEN TO THIS FIRST HOUR OF AND PARTICIPATE IN THIS FIRST HOUR AS WE DISCUSS. SO IF WE CAN JUST GET THE ROLL CALL. YES.

OKAY. THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY WITH THE ROLL CALL.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD PRESENT.

COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON. YES. AND JUST A SECOND. OH, OKAY. AND COUNCILOR LEE. COUNCILOR LEE. HE LOGGED ON AND THEN HE PUT HIMSELF ON. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL MARK MARKHAM AS ABSENT FOR NOW, AND WE'LL GET HIM ON. OKAY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, YOU HAVE QUORUM. OKAY. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR GUESTS WHO HAVE COME TODAY TO HELP US WORK THROUGH BOTH OUR KRATOM AND OUR ALCOHOL ORDINANCE. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS IN THE ROOM AND BUILDING OFFICIALS, SO THANK YOU. WE'VE GOT TWO BIG

[Legal, Police ]

SO WE DISCUSSED THIS ORDINANCE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SINCE THEN THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE CHANGES. AGAIN, THIS THIS ORDINANCE IS TO BAN THE SALE. ONLY THE SALE, NOT THE POSSESSION. THE SALE OF KRATOM WITHIN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS OR TWO RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. SO THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE ANY ONLINE SALES THAT ARE TARGETING THOSE IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. SINCE WE LAST MET, I'VE REVISED THE ORDINANCE TO ALSO PROHIBIT. CAN WE GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT, LINDA? MADAM CLERK ADDED TO THE DEFINITION OF KRATOM THAT ALSO INCLUDES ANY SYNTHETIC OR SEMI-SYNTHETIC FORMS OF CERTAIN ALKALOID COMPOUNDS THAT ARE PRESENT IN NATURALLY OCCURRING KRATOM. KIND OF CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE THAT THIS WOULD BE BANNING ALL FORMS OF KRATOM, NOT JUST THOSE NATURALLY OCCURRING, BUT THOSE THAT ARE IMITATION KRATOM BASICALLY ALSO ADDED TO THE DEFINITION OF SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONES THAT WERE WHICH ONES IT WAS, BUT I ADDED SOME OF THE ALKALOID COMPOUNDS TO THE ACTUAL DEFINITION OF KRATOM FOR NATURAL KRATOM AS WELL, AND OTHER THAN THAT, THERE WERE NO CHANGES MADE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONTENTS OF THE ORDINANCE? OKAY, OKAY. WE HAVE THE COUNTY SHERIFF HERE. IS A CORNER HERE YET? WE WERE OUR INTENT WAS WE WERE LEADING OUT WITH THE CORONER. WE WERE SHE WAS GOING TO JOIN US RIGHT AT 3:00 SO THAT SHE COULD DESCRIBE HER EXPERIENCE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHY SHE CREATED THE THE PUBLIC AWARENESS AROUND KRATOM. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH HER. NOT HERE. SHE IS THE LEAD OUT FOR THE FOR THE ENTIRE PURPOSE.

I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER DINGMAN WAS THE FIRST TO KIND OF BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION, I DON'T I HAVE IN NO WAY PREPPED HER TO TO SPEAK TO WHY WHY THAT CAME FORWARD. IF YOU FEEL SUCH THAT YOU WANT TO BRING IT FORWARD. IF NOT, WE CAN TRY AND FIND OUT WHERE OUR WHERE THE CORNER IS.

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SO. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TAKING AND MAKING A GRAND ENTRANCE. YES. I'M SORRY. NO, I APOLOGIZE.

I GOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC AND NOBODY IN IDAHO WOULD LIKE TO. LIKE I SAID, I LIKE TO MAKE AN ENTRANCE APPARENTLY, AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY SEES THE BELLE OF THE BALL. HERE, LET ME JUST SILENCE EVERYBODY. AND WHILE THE CORNER IS COMING UP, I WILL NOTE I NEGLECTED TO NOTE THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME ACTION ON THE OR POTENTIAL ACTION ON THE IDAHO LEGISLATURE SIDE THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THERE WERE TWO BILLS KIND OF COMPETING BILLS, ONE TO REGULATE KRATOM IN CERTAIN IN CERTAIN WAYS, LIKE YOU COULDN'T PURCHASE IT IF YOU BELIEVE, IF YOU'RE UNDER 21, THEY BANNED REGULATE SYNTHETIC BUT ALLOWED NATURAL. ANOTHER BILL BANNED OUTRIGHT KRATOM IN ANY FORM. BOTH BILLS DID NOT PASS. AND SO IT WENT. I THINK ONE GOT VOTED ON, IT DIDN'T PASS AND THE OTHER JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE. SO THE STATE OF THE LAW RIGHT NOW LEAVES IT OPEN FOR THE CITY TO REGULATE IT, IF IT SO SEES FIT. OKAY. WELCOME. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING, MISS SANCHEZ. WE JUST KIND OF THROUGH PRELIMINARIES, HAD HAVE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED MAYBE WHY THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL. AND JUST FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION, WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THIS IS THAT. AS IT AS WE WOULD NORMALLY DO IN A WORK SESSION AND COUNCIL IDENTIFIES A POTENTIAL ISSUE WITHIN THE CITY AND BRINGS IT FORWARD IN THE FORM OF A WORK IN THE FORM OF A WORK SESSION, NOT AS AN ISSUE, BUT AS A SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE. WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE MIGHT BE HAVING IN THE CITY? AND THEN WE FORMALIZE THAT IN THIS KIND OF A WORK SESSION PROCESS, WHERE THERE IS A SOLUTION BEING PROPOSED. AND A LOT OF THAT PROBLEM ACTUALLY DID COME TO OUR ATTENTION THROUGH YOU. SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS AND WHY YOU MADE THE PUBLIC NOTICE BACK IN OCTOBER. ABSOLUTELY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT ME AND MY APPOINTMENT. SO I WAS APPOINTED AT THE VERY END OF DECEMBER IN 2024. IT WAS LIKE THE SECOND TO THE LAST DAY OF THE YEAR. AND THEN I STARTED MY APPOINTMENT AS CORONER

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AND ONE OF THE CASES THAT WAS PENDING WAS A YOUNG MAN THAT WE WERE ESSENTIALLY WAITING FOR HIS TOXICOLOGY TO COME IN. ONCE THAT TOXICOLOGY CAME IN, THEN I REVIEWED IT AND I WAS TO SIGN HIS DEATH CERTIFICATE. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS THAT I HAD TO DO AS A CORONER, IS TO SETTLE SOME OF HIS OLD CASES. THE REASON THAT I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS BECAUSE THAT IS KIND OF WHAT STARTED MY REALIZATION OF WHAT KRATOM WAS AND HOW IT WAS AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT INDIVIDUAL, HIS TOXICOLOGY, CAME BACK WITH THE MITRAGYNINE TOXICITY. AND I HADN'T IN MY CAREER HEARD OF IT BEFORE OR HEARD ABOUT KRATOM. ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, I HAD HEARD ABOUT KRATOM AMONGST SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT I KNEW THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I NEVER WAS TRULY INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS UNTIL I SAW IT ON A TOXICOLOGY REPORT. ONCE I STARTED TO LOOK INTO IT, I REALIZED WHAT IT WAS AND JUST KIND OF KEPT IT ON MY RADAR. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER THAT INCIDENT AND ME SIGNING THAT DEATH CERTIFICATE, IT WAS HIS SOLE CAUSE OF DEATH THERE. HE WAS A YOUNG INDIVIDUAL. HE WAS ONLY 19 YEARS OLD, AND THE ONLY THING IN HIS SYSTEM WAS KRATOM. HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MEDICAL HISTORY. HE HAD NOTHING. HE HAD NO OTHER ADDICTIONS OR ANY ABUSE THAT WOULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO HIS PASSING. IT WAS STRICTLY JUST KRATOM. A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER THAT, I WAS AN INVESTIGATOR CALLED OUT TO THE THE SCENE OF A YOUNG INDIVIDUAL, AND SHE WAS ONLY 23, I BELIEVE, AND AT THE TIME, EVERYTHING THAT I WAS SEEING, I DIDN'T QUITE. I COULDN'T MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF WHAT HER CAUSE OF DEATH WAS. SO I DECIDED TO SEND HER TO AUTOPSY.

WHILE WE WERE AT AUTOPSY, I BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT WHILE I WAS OUT DOING THIS INVESTIGATION, I HAD COME ACROSS SOME PACKETS OF KRATOM. AND IT WAS THE LOOSE LEAF, NOT A CONCENTRATE, NOT THE SYNTHETIC. IT WAS THE POWDERED KRATOM THAT YOU SEE IN BAGS.

WHILE WE WERE CONDUCTING HER AUTOPSY, EVEN THE PATHOLOGIST SAID THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS NEWER FOR THEM. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING A LOT OF. THEY WERE GOING TO DO A LOT MORE RESEARCH. WE GOT THE TOXICOLOGY BACK. HER CAUSE OF DEATH ENDED UP BEING AN OVERDOSE DUE TO ACUTE DRUG TOXICITY OF KRATOM. AFTER THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHEN MY RED FLAGS WENT OFF AND I DECIDED THAT I WAS JUST GOING TO MONITOR THE SITUATION BECAUSE I RESEARCHED INTO KRATOM AND THE FACT THAT IT HAS OPIATE LIKE SYMPTOMS TO IT. AND SO THE ADDICTION LEVEL WITH IT IS VERY MUCH LIKE ANY OTHER OPIATES. AND SO WHILE IT WAS BEING MARKETED AS NATURAL, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT'S SAFE, JUST LIKE WITH ALL ADDICTIONS. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER HER PASSING, I HAD ANOTHER YOUNGER INDIVIDUAL, I BELIEVE HE WAS IN HIS 30S. AND WHILE WE TOOK HIM TO AUTOPSY, WE EMPTIED HIS POCKETS. HE HAD SYNTHETIC SEVEN ZERO CONCENTRATE IN HIS POCKETS. IT CAME IN THE. THE LITTLE CONCENTRATED CONTAINERS, VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE FIVE HOUR ENERGY DRINKS. AND HIS CAUSE OF DEATH CAME BACK AS A DRUG INTOXICATION OF THIS SYNTHETIC KRATOM. BY THE TIME I HIT, IT WAS JUST BAM, BAM, BAM. THOSE THREE. I DECIDED TO START REACHING OUT TO OTHER COUNTIES ACROSS IDAHO, AND I FOCUSED MY EFFORTS ON THE BIGGER COUNTIES THAT MIGHT HAVE MORE AWARENESS OF THE SUBSTANCE, AS WELL AS COUNTIES THAT HAD A YOUNGER POPULATION. SO COUNTIES THAT HAD MAYBE COLLEGE TOWNS IN THEM, SO BANNOCK AND POCATELLO, MADISON WITH THE WITH THE UNIVERSITY, THERE ARE US HAVING A UNIVERSITY. AND WHILE THEY HAD A COUPLE OF DEATHS THAT WERE RELATED TO KRATOM AND THEY HAD BEEN MONITORING IT, IT WAS NOT NEARLY WHAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING SO QUICKLY IN OUR COUNTY. BY THE TIME OCTOBER HIT, I HAD LOOKED BACK AT A COUPLE OF PREVIOUS CASES AND FOUND THAT THEY. THAT KRATOM WAS ALSO RELATED TO THOSE CASES. I

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AND ACTUALLY, EVER SINCE, I BY THE TIME OCTOBER CAME, THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD LOST THEIR LOVED ONES TO, TO KRATOM, THEY WANTED AWARENESS. THEY WERE IN PAIN. THEY WERE REACHING OUT TO ME BECAUSE OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THEY HAD NOTICED JUST SUCH A SPIKE IN AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF KRATOM THAT WAS HITTING OUR COMMUNITY. IT USED TO BE ONLY ACCESSIBLE IN TOBACCO SHOPS OR LIKE SMOKE SHOPS, AND NOW YOU CAN'T DRIVE DOWN THE STREET WITHOUT SEEING FLAGS THAT SAY KRATOM ALL OVER THEM. YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH, YOU CAN'T PASS BY A TOBACCO STORE WITHOUT SEEING KRATOM IN LED SIGN. WE WERE NOW AT A POINT WHERE YOU'RE NOW SEEING IT IN OUR GAS STATIONS. I HAVE GONE TO MULTIPLE GAS STATIONS JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, AND THERE'S DISPLAY CASES WITH CONCENTRATE AND THE SEVEN ZERO BYPRODUCT OF KRATOM ON THEIR DISPLAY CABINETS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CASH REGISTER. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT REGULATION AND HOW IT'S NEEDED. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT REGULATION IS NEEDED.

HOWEVER, THERE IS NOT A SOLUTION RIGHT NOW WITH REGULATION THERE. THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN INPUT ON WHAT REGULATION LOOKS LIKE THAT WHILE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT REGULATION LOOKS LIKE, IT'S CONTINUING TO GROW, IT'S CONTINUING TO EXPAND INTO OTHER CONCENTRATES, AND IT'S CONTINUING TO TO BE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT'S AN AMAZING IDEA, TRULY, THAT OUR CITY TAKES A STAND AND OUR COUNTY TAKES A STAND AND BANS IT AS A SHOW THAT STATEWIDE IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

BUT IF WE CAN DO IT ON A SMALLER LEVEL, THEN HOPEFULLY IT CAN GROW AS WELL TO THAT STATE LEVEL. BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO WAIT FOR THE STATE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOSE PEOPLE. I HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL, UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW THAT IS AT THE HOSPITAL AND WILL BE PASSING TODAY, AND THEIR CAUSE OF DEATH WILL BE RELATED TO KRATOM. AND I HAVE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL WHO TWO WEEKS AGO, AND I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE TOXICOLOGY TO COME IN. BUT IT'S ANOTHER KRATOM RELATED DEATH. SO IT'S CONTINUOUSLY HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THE LONGER THAT WE WAIT WITHOUT PUTTING ANY KIND OF BANNER RESTRICTIONS, THE THE MORE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE BEING AFFECTED BY THIS. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SANCHEZ. YOU'RE OKAY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. IS THAT OKAY? I'M SUPER INTERESTED IN. WE HAVE NARCAN FOR. DOES IT HELP AT ALL? SO UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES NOT. NARCAN IS. WHILE IT IS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY FOR OPIATE RELATED THINGS AND FENTANYL, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT IF YOU DON'T REGISTER IT AND DO IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE, THEN THERE'S, IT WON'T HELP YOU. YOU CAN NARCAN SOMEBODY FIVE, TEN TIMES. AND IF THEY'RE ALREADY AT THAT BRINK OF PASSING, THEY'RE ALREADY GONE.

UNFORTUNATELY, HERE IN IDAHO FALLS, WITH US HAVING A MAJOR TRAUMA HOSPITAL, WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE POTENTIALLY PASSING FROM OVERDOSES, FROM KRATOM RELATED PRODUCTS COMING INTO OUR COUNTY AS WELL. AND THEN IN ADDITION, I KNOW THAT I WAS REACHED OUT RECENTLY BY A DETECTIVE WHO IS GOING THROUGH AN INVESTIGATION FOR A STORE THAT WAS ROBBED OF KRATOM. AND SO NOW I THAT SPIKES MY ALERTS OF IF I HAVE

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I'M NOT GOING TO CALL IT THE DAIS, BUT AT OUR AT OUR TABLE HERE, JUST TO AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, IF YOU CAN SPEAK LOUD, YOU'RE OKAY TO SIT THERE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOO FORMAL. DO YOU WANT ME TO. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REMAIN. IF YOU'RE OKAY. AS COUNSEL BEGINS TO KIND OF HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND THIS, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD SEGUE TO LEAD IN TO THE TESTING OF THIS SUBSTANCE. AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR THE SHERIFF AND THE CHIEF TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THE ENFORCEMENT, THE CHALLENGES OF ENFORCEMENT, WHAT THEY'RE SEEING ON THE GROUND AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS REALLY PROBABLY BECOMING MORE ABOUT AWARENESS THAN IT IS ANYTHING ELSE. WE'D REALLY LIKE YOUR INSIGHTS INTO THIS. AND THEN IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH COUNSEL ASKING FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO IF YOU'RE OKAY, SHERIFF, TO BEGIN WITH YOU AND JUST GIVE US YOUR INSIGHTS AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON ENFORCEMENT AND WHERE THE CITY IS HEADED WITH THIS BAN OF THE ONCE AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE SALE OF KRATOM AS OPPOSED TO THE POSSESSION. SO CERTAINLY ONE OF THE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SAW THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION WAS, YOU KNOW, ATTEMPTING TO GET SOMETHING PASSED AT THE STATE LEVEL AND AT EVERY SECTION AS WE WERE DOING THAT, WE WERE KIND OF GOING THROUGH TWO DISCUSSIONS. ONE WAS THE FULL BANNING ACTUALLY MAKING IT A SCHEDULE ONE PRODUCT. AND ON THE SCHEDULING. AND THAT FAILED. ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS SOME CONTROLS THAT WERE ATTEMPTED TO BE PUT IN PLACE. YOU HAD A STRONG MEDICAL COMPONENT THAT WAS THERE. TALKING ABOUT THAT, WANTING TO RESTRICT THE SALE, ESPECIALLY TO JUVENILES. AND AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, BOTH OF THOSE EFFORTS HAVE FAILED. SO IN THE STATE OF IDAHO, THERE IS NO PROHIBITION ON THE SALE WHATSOEVER. SO ANYBODY OF ANY AGE TECHNICALLY CAN WALK INTO ONE OF THESE SHOPS AND PURCHASE KRATOM. AND WE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE. 18. CORRECT. AND SO WE HAVE SEVERAL INDICATORS THAT THESE WE KNOW THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ETC. THAT WE ARE SEEING THIS IN YOUNGER POPULATIONS BEING USED IN SCHOOL. WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT REPORTS OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INTOXICATION AND ILLNESS CAUSED BY KRATOM. IN THE SCHOOLS, WE HAVE STORES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF SOME OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE SELLING THESE PRODUCTS, AND AGAIN, WITH NO RESTRICTION ON SALE. SO THEN IT'S JUST UP TO WHETHER OR NOT A COURT EVEN NOTICES IF THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THAT TO SOMEBODY WHO'S UNDERAGE. SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF MY LARGEST CONCERNS, RECOGNIZING THE AVAILABILITY AND THE MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THIS CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS. AND SO KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT KRATOM, IT IT REACTS ON THE SAME RECEPTOR IN THE BRAIN THAT OPIATES DO. AND AT HIGHER DOSES, IT SUPPRESSES BREATHING, JUST LIKE OPIATES DO. AND SO THERE'S YOUR DANGER IN, IN THE, IN THE PRODUCT. AND SO IT'S ABOUT CONCENTRATION. AND THEN WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE SYNTHETIC 708, THAT IS A HIGHER SYNTHETIC CONCENTRATION THAT THEY'RE SEEING PROBLEMS WITH ALL OVER THE NATION. SO THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE PROBLEMS ON, ON US. AND NOW WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO BEGIN TO CONTROL AND DEAL WITH THE PRODUCT IN THE COMMUNITY. ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THE

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AND THEN THE WORLD WE HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE IDAHO FALLS RIGHT NOW, AND HOPEFULLY THE OTHER ONES FOLLOW SO THAT THAT JURISDICTIONAL DIFFERENCE MAKES IT HARDER BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT IDAHO FALLS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO WALK TWO BLOCKS DOWN THE ROAD. AND THERE'S, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CITY, COUNTY, CITY, COUNTY IN SOME PLACES. AND SO IT WILL JUST PUSH THE LEGAL SALE. PEOPLE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO BUY IT. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO POSSESS IT. IT IS A REALLY A VALUE STATEMENT BY THE CITY SAYING, WE THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. IN IDAHO FALLS, WE FIRST STARTED SEEING KRATOM THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. I'M SURE IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, BUT TO DOCUMENT IT WAS IN 2024 AND IT WAS IN DECEMBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE OVERDOSE OF THE CORONER WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CASE ACTUALLY HAPPENED DECEMBER 18TH, WHICH WAS RIGHT BEFORE CORONER CAME INTO OFFICE. THEN WE HAD ONE OTHER OVERDOSE THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN IDAHO FALLS, WHICH HAPPENED IN 2026 AT THE BEGINNING OF 2026, WHICH THE TOXICOLOGY SHOWED KRATOM AND SOME KAVA AS WELL. AND KRATOM WAS THE PREDOMINANT THING THERE. WE'VE ALSO HAD FOUR THEFTS OF KRATOM. THERE'S A GRAY SLASH BLACK MARKET FOR KRATOM. ALSO. PEOPLE WILL STEAL IT AS VALUABLE. THEY'LL SELL IT. THE BIGGEST ONE WAS ABOUT ALMOST $9,000 WORTH OF KRATOM, WAS TAKEN OUT OF A VAPE SHOP. AND THAT WAS MOST LIKELY THE ONE THE CORONER WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO. FOR FOR ENFORCEMENT, THIS BANS THE SALE OF KRATOM AND TO ADVERTISE THE SALE KRATOM I OFFER FOR SALE, WHICH IS TO SAY, HEY, WE WE HAVE IT. IT DOESN'T BAN THE POSSESSION AND YOU CAN BUY IT ALL OVER JUST OUTSIDE OF IDAHO FALLS. I BELIEVE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, IS THAT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE REGULAR GOOD BUSINESSES AND WANT TO BE GOOD CITIZENS, ONCE THEY KNOW THAT THAT SALE IS BANNED, THEY WILL PROBABLY QUIT SELLING IT. THAT'S MOST OF YOUR CONVENIENCE STORES. STINKER STATION PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT THE POLICE COMING DOWN THERE AND DOING STUFF THAT WILL PROBABLY STOP SELLING IT. I THINK THAT SOME OF THE VAPE SHOPS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY SELLING THINGS THAT ARE ON THE FRINGES OF LEGALITY, I'LL JUST PHRASE IT THAT WAY. I THINK THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOME THC PRODUCTS. IF WE TEST, IT MIGHT TEST ILLEGAL. AND SO THEY'RE ALREADY WILLING TO KIND OF FLIRT WITH THAT LINE. AND I BELIEVE WE'LL PROBABLY STILL SEE IT SOLD THERE. INSIDE OF IDAHO FALLS, THERE IS A CHALLENGE TO THE PROSECUTION, I THINK, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I HAVE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS WITH EVERY OTHER CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. WE HAVE A PRESUMPTIVE TEST, AND WE HAVE TESTING TO SAY THIS IS THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, MARIJUANA. WE JUST DON'T GRAB MARIJUANA TO GO TO COURT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS MARIJUANA, YOUR HONOR, TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT. WE HAVE A PRESUMPTIVE TEST THAT SAYS THIS MARIJUANA, WHICH GIVES US PROBABLE CAUSE. AND THEN WE'LL SEND IT TO STATE LAB AND THEY WILL DO A DEFINITIVE TEST THAT SAYS MARIJUANA, SO THAT WE CAN PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT MARIJUANA, THAT TEST DOES NOT EXIST FOR KRATOM OUTSIDE OF A COMMERCIAL MARKET. WHAT I MEAN IS, IF WE HAD TO DO THAT, WE'D HAVE TO COME UP SOME MONEY TO SEND IT INTO A PRIVATE LAB, HAVE THAT TEST ON OUR OWN. WE COULDN'T SEND IT TO A STATE LAB. IT'S REALLY UNKNOWN HOW A COURT IS GOING TO HANDLE THAT, BUT THIS WILL BE A FIRST FOR ME. I'VE NEVER SEEN A SUBSTANCE CASE GO TO COURT WITHOUT A

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HERE'S WHAT THE POTENTIAL RAMIFICATIONS ARE. YOU NEED TO SELL THIS STUFF. I THINK MOST OF THEM WILL COME INTO COMPLIANCE, AND I THINK I SEE THIS AS HARM REDUCTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, EVEN IF WE HAD 30% OF CONVENIENCE STORES COMPLY, THAT'S 30% FEWER STORES SELLING THE PRODUCT THAT WE KNOW IS KILLING OUR RESIDENTS. AND YOU SAVE ONE LIFE, IT'S WORTH IT.

YEAH, THAT'S HOW I FEEL TOO. COUNCILMEMBER FRIEDMAN, KELLOGG, IDAHO ACTUALLY DID BAN. I JUST LOOKED THIS UP. DID BAN THE SALE OF KRATOM THIS YEAR. AND YEAH, I DON'T, I, I DON'T CARE IF WE'RE THE FIRST IN IDAHO. THAT'S EVEN BETTER BECAUSE I'D RATHER TAKE A STANCE NOW. BUT I, I, I HEAR WHAT CHIEF JOHNSON IS SAYING. I HOPE THAT OUR, OUR COUNTY AND THE CITY OF AMMON DO HOPEFULLY TAKE THIS UP AS WELL. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE THOUGH, TO MOVE BUSINESSES. I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE EVERYONE'S GOING TO JUST BAIL TO THESE OUT OTHER CITIES AND OUR COUNTY AS A RESULT OF THIS. BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE.

I DON'T THINK BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO MOVE. I THINK IT'LL JUST CHANGE WHERE PEOPLE GO TO BUY THEIR CREATING. IF THERE ISN'T SOME CONSISTENCY AND SUPPORT. AND SO IF IF I'M GOING TO MAKE A MAKE UP A, I WOULD SAY, MAVERICK, I, I DON'T WANT TO THROW MAVERICK UNDER THE BUS.

LET'S SAY THEY'RE CALLED BOB'S. IF THERE'S A BOB'S IN IDAHO FALLS, THEN THERE'S PROBABLY A BOB'S IN AMINOL. SO THEY'LL JUST TAKE ALL THEIR PRODUCT ANYHOW AND SETTLED OUT OF THERE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE LEGAL THERE. SO THAT'S WHY YOU WANT SOME CONSISTENCY BETWEEN JURISDICTIONS. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER PUTTING SOME PRESSURE ON THE STATE LEGISLATURE BY US DOING THIS AND THAT. THAT'S TRUE OF THE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS, RIGHT? THAT IF WE DO THIS, THEN IT'S LIKELY THAT THE COUNTY WILL DO IT. IT'S LIKELY THAT ANIMAL WILL DO IT, AND HOPEFULLY IT BECOMES STATEWIDE. YOU KNOW, THIS HAPPENED WITH THE THE HANDS FREE ORDINANCE WHEN WE WHEN THE SAME KIND OF THING. ENOUGH OF US PASSED AN ORDINANCE IN THE STATE, 11 OR 13 OF US OR SOMETHING THAT THE STATE FINALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO DO THIS. MY QUESTION IS, IS IF WE IF WE DO DO THIS, DO WE SUNSET IT SOMEHOW? IF THE STATE DOES BAN IT THEMSELVES, DO WE WE HAVE OUR WE HAVE WE PASS AN ORDINANCE. THEN THEN IS THERE A WAY WE SUNSET IT JUST. YEAH. BY UNDER UNDER THE WAY OUR CONSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE WORKS.

IF THE STATE ACTS ON THIS. AND UNLESS IT CARVES OUT SOMETHING SAYING, UNLESS PROVIDED OTHERWISE BY A CITY, THE STATE WILL PREEMPT WHATEVER THE CITY DOES HERE. WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD A SUNSET BECAUSE IT'LL BE AUTOMATIC AS OF THE DATE OF THE PASSAGE, AND WE PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO GO AND JUST REPEAL IT. AND I HAD ONE OTHER COMMENT TOO, BECAUSE I WAS I WAS WORKING AS A PARAMEDIC WHEN WE HAD SPICE SHOW UP ON SCENE. RIGHT. AND YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

AND IT WAS BANNED. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT WAS A, IT'S VERY SIMILAR

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WELL, THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO ALLEVIATE YOUR PAIN. AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'RE DEAD, YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE DEAD. AND SO I'M ALL FOR DOING, DOING THIS. AND I HOPE THE COUNTY WILL PICK IT UP. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT TO HAPPEN. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF SOMETHING, COUNCILOR SILVERMAN SAID. YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT IF WE JUST DO IT IN IDAHO FALLS, IT'LL JUST PUSH IT OUT, BUT IT WON'T PUSH IT OUT. FOR FIFTH GRADERS WHO HAVE A C STORE NEXT DOOR, THEY'LL QUIT GETTING IT. I MEAN, I GUESS IF WE HAVE AN OLDER BROTHER. BUT YOU GET MY POINT AND IT GOES BACK TO 30% OR WHATEVER. BUT THE IDEA THAT A, YOU KNOW, A GRADE SCHOOL KID OR A JUNIOR HIGH KID CAN WALK TO A C STORE AND BUY THIS STUFF AND STICK IT IN THEIR POCKET. I'M ALL FOR SHUTTING DOWN WHATEVER PART WE CAN SHUT DOWN. HALF A LOAF IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. WE'LL MAKE IT HARDER FOR THEM TO GET IT. AND IT DOES CREATE THE GRAY BLACK MARKET FOR IT. AND SAME AS WHEN YOU BAN MARIJUANA OR ANY OTHER SUBSTANCE, THERE'S A A CORONA THAT IT WILL MAKE IT HARDER, ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNGER KIDS TO GET. THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS WE IT GIVES US AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO MESSAGE ITS DANGEROUSNESS. ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTANDS THAT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PARENTS THAT DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THIS. THEY DON'T KNOW IT EXISTS. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR.

THEY MAY SEE IT IN THEIR KID'S POCKET, NOT EVEN REALIZE IT. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FANTASTIC COMMUNICATIONS TEAM HERE AT THE CITY THAT CAN REALLY HELP MESSAGE THIS TO THE RESIDENTS AND HELP THEM IDENTIFY, I THINK, POTENTIALLY SOME OF THESE SUBSTANCES. AND, AND YEAH, START THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR KIDS. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MESSAGING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL. SO THAT THERE IS THAT CONSISTENCY, CONSISTENT MESSAGING, JUST AS A KIND OF TO BACK UP TO THE TIMELINE. DECEMBER 2ND, THE FDA DID DO A PRESS RELEASE AS WELL THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WARN CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES TO STAY AWAY FROM KRATOM, I THINK. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE APPROACHED BONNEVILLE COUNTY, AND IT DID LOOK LIKE THERE WAS GOING TO BE THIS LEGISLATION THAT WAS MOVED FORWARD. AND SO IT FELT LIKE, LET'S LET'S JUST HOLD OFF AND WE'LL WAIT AND LET JUST THE WHOLE SESSION CAME AND WENT WITH ALL OF THE ARGUMENTS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD, JUST AS THE CORONER DID. AND SO HERE WE ARE TODAY, RIGHT. SAYING WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE HERE TO TAKE THAT STEP. AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE BAN OF THE SALE OF KRATOM IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. AND UNLESS THERE IS A CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TODAY TO NOT BRING IT FORWARD, YOU WOULD SEE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THURSDAY. COULD I ASK ALL THREE, ALL THREE OF YOU A QUESTION SUGGESTION ON A DATE OF EFFECTIVE? HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU MAKE IT? TOMORROW. TOMORROW? WELL, I'M HOPING TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS. IN ALL HONESTY, IF WE IF IT CAN GET PUT INTO PRESENTED ON THURSDAY, IF WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING, IT'S THE START OF THE MONTH. SO HAVING ALL THE WORDING PUT IN PLACE, HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE

[00:40:02]

PLEASE. YEAH, I WOULD LOVE A PERFECT WORLD LIKE THAT. I WOULD ASK YOU JUST TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER. JUNE AND JULY IS TOTALLY TIED UP WITH THIS GREAT 250TH ANNIVERSARY, AND IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK FOR THAT. SO TO, TO DO A NOTIFICATION LETTER, GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET OFF THEIR SHELVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK IF YOU HAD AN EFFECT, YOU COULD START WHENEVER YOU WANT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY START GETTING THAT DONE. YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING LATE AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER, WHICH I THINK IS FINE TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, REGARDLESS OF THAT'S THE DATE THAT ALL THE STATUTES THAT ARE PASSED IN THE STATE TAKE EFFECT, WHICH WE DON'T. RIGHT. YEAH. I DON'T SEE WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE IT TAKE EFFECT THAT DAY. I MEAN, WHETHER WE CAN GET OUT AND WORK IT AT THIS TIME DOESN'T REGARDLESS, BUT IT WOULD GIVE US SOME TIME TO YOU KNOW, WE WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM A WHILE TO GET RID OF IT. THE LIKE IF I DON'T THINK IT'S OFF SHELVES, ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FOOT. I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE COSTCO SIZED, I THINK JULY 1ST PLACES HERE THAT REQUIRE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TO REMOVE THESE THINGS. SO AND I WOULD JUST ADD, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK 30 DAYS IS, IS AN AMPLE TIME ORDINANCE. YOU THINK HOW LONG? 30 DAYS, 30 DAYS. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION. THAT GIVES THAT GIVES YOU TIME TO NOTICE IT.

EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE THAT IT'S HAPPENING. AND THEN IT HOPEFULLY GIVES US SOME TIME AS A COUNTY TO CATCH UP AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT MIRRORS AND COMES IN LINE AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO. THEN WHEN KIDS COME BACK INTO SCHOOL, IT'S OFF OF THE SHELF. YOU KNOW, IT'S OFF OF THE SHELVES. IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, JULY 1ST, IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET ALL OF THE MESSAGING OUT THERE. AND, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A PERIOD OF TIME THAT'S LIKE, NO, WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS AUGUST. AND THEN KIDS COME BACK AT THE END OF AUGUST AND IT'S GONE. THAT WOULD BE A, I THINK THAT THAT TIMELINE DOES ACTUALLY WORK WELL. SO IF AS I'M KIND OF SEEING SOME NODS THAT YOU WILL EXPECT TO SEE THIS ON THURSDAY, COME FORWARD AS PRESENTED, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING, WHAT'S THE DATE WE'RE GOING TO JULY 1ST. WELL THAT'LL BE YEAH, THAT'LL BE DECIDED ON IN THE RESOLUTION. EXCUSE ME.

IN THE ORDINANCE NUMBER. IT'LL BE AS PART OF THE SECTION FOUR IT'LL SAY SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE. AND WE WILL FILL THAT THAT IN RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO THE. MOTION. OH WE'RE GOING TO DO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT START IMMEDIATELY. WELL NO, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE WHEN YOU MAKE THE MOTION ON THURSDAY, OKAY, THERE WILL BE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I'LL BE MAKING THE MOTION. AND FOR EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, YOU CAN VOTE YES OR NO. NO. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE DATE. JULY 1ST, JULY. THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WHAT THE PROPOSITION WOULD BE. OKAY. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING. I WE KNOW YOU ARE VERY BUSY AND WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME AND BRINGING YOUR EXPERIENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND PARTICULARLY I'M GOING TO SPEAK HERE IS THAT I'M GLAD WE DON'T HAVE MARIJUANA IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. I HAVE WATCHED THAT HAPPEN ACROSS THE NATION AND PEOPLE SAY, OH, IT'LL BE FINE. AND THEN A YEAR LATER, TWO YEARS LATER, FIVE YEARS LATER, IT'S A MESS. AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK BOTH OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY HEADS IN BOTH BONNEVILLE COUNTY AND CITY OF IDAHO FALLS FOR REALLY KEEPING THE FOOT ON THE PEDAL ON THAT, KEEPING THAT OUT OF OUR COUNTY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, BUT IT IS MY OPINION THAT IT IS IT IS REALLY HELPED KEEP IDAHO FALLS WHAT IT IS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT YOU DO. ALL RIGHT. YES. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE TO STICK AROUND UNLESS YOU WANT TO HEAR NOW HOW WE PLAN ON

[00:45:01]

[Legal, Police, City Clerk, CDS, Fire]

IT HAS TAKEN MONTHS. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO EMILY GEISLER FOR HER WORK ON THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. I THINK WE YOU KNOW, THE INTENTIONS WERE GOOD IN OUR FIRST ROUND OF THIS ORDINANCE, BUT CLEARLY WE DIDN'T CAPTURE IT ALL. AND I THINK THERE WAS THIS CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CITY DOING? AND ARE THEY JUST GOING TO IS THIS JUST IN AN EFFORT TO DO AN OUTRIGHT BAN ON ALCOHOL PERMITTING? AND SO WE REALLY WENT AND AND LOOKED AT ALL OF THE ALCOHOL ORDINANCES AND ALL OF THE DISCREPANCIES. I WANT TO JUST FRAME THIS FOR A MINUTE, THOUGH. AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE, YOU WILL SEE THAT OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS GOT THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU. WE'VE GOT THE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN BECAUSE IT IS A LONG ORDINANCE. THE WAY THAT WE TACKLED THE PRESENTATION IS TO SAY, HERE ARE THE ISSUES AND HERE ARE THE SOLUTIONS. ALTHOUGH THE SOLUTIONS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE ARE FOUND IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS. SO YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT PAGE 22. NOW WE'RE BACK TO PAGE TEN. NOW WE'RE ON PAGE ONE WITH DEFINITIONS. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT THERE WASN'T A GREAT WAY TO ORGANIZE IT THAT FIT THE ORDINANCE CHRONOLOGICALLY, CHRONOLOGICALLY. BUT YEAH, IN, IN THE TERMS OF THE NUMERICALLY. BUT THAT IS WHY THERE IS BOUNCE AROUND. AND IF YOU IF THERE IS CONFUSION IN WHAT PAGE ARE WE LOOKING AT? PLEASE FEEL FREE.

SPEAK UP. SAY I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING. IT IS A LONG ORDINANCE, BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE HAVE CAPTURED IT WITH THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT IS THE ISSUE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE. AND HERE ARE OUR SOLUTIONS. AND THEN AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE, WE WILL GET TOWARDS THE END, WE'LL HAVE AN ANTICIPATED TIMELINE AND NEXT STEPS. SO WE'LL TURN THAT OVER TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. OKAY, CHIEF, DO YOU WANT TO BE HERE? ALL RIGHT. SO AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, WE PREVIOUSLY TOUCHED ON ALCOHOL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR THE ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING PORTION. THIS NEWEST ORDINANCE MERGES THAT OF IT STILL HAS THE IDEA OF ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING, BUT WE THINK WE'RE DOING A LOT MORE CHANGES TO THE OVERALL ALCOHOL ORDINANCES WE HAVE. SO ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES IS WE HAVE THREE. CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE SEPARATE CODES FOR ALCOHOL IN OUR ORDINANCES ONE FOR LIQUOR, ONE FOR BEER AND ONE FOR WINE.

SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THIS HAS CAUSED IS WE HAVE SOMETIMES WE WILL UPDATE ONE ORDINANCE, BUT NOT THE OTHER TWO. AND IT HAS LED TO DIFFERENCES. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WANT TO GET A LIQUOR LICENSE, WHAT YOU HAVE TO PUT ON YOUR APPLICATION FOR ALCOHOL LIQUOR LICENSE IS DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU'RE APPLYING FOR A BEER OR WINE LICENSE. SO TO SIMPLIFY THINGS, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH EASIER BOTH FOR THE APPLICANTS AND FOR THE CITY CLERK TO HAVE ONE SET OF INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED. SO IF YOU'RE APPLYING FOR SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BASIC FORM, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR APPLICATION, HERE'S ALL YOU NEED. AND DO YOU WANT A BEER, WINE OR LIQUOR LICENSE OR ALL OR SOME COMBINATION THEREOF? RIGHT. MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE. IT ALSO MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT SETS OF CODES, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GETTING A BEER AS WELL AS A LIQUOR LICENSE, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH SEVERAL SETS OF CODES TO FIGURE OUT WHICH OF THE REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO WHICH. IN ADDITION, WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH ENFORCEMENT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT CRIMES FOR OPEN CONTAINER ONE, IF YOU'RE CARRYING AN OPEN CONTAINER OF WINE, ONE FOR BEER AND ONE FOR LIQUOR, AND OCCASIONALLY OUT IN THE FIELD, OFFICERS WILL SELECT THE WRONG CITATION. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DO THE FOUR DASH, TWO DASH, WHATEVER, INSTEAD OF THE FOUR DASH, THREE DASH, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S LISTED SAME AS OPEN CONTAINER, CORRECT. AND SO THEY'LL GET CITED. AND THEN THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR US TO GO TO TRIAL AND HOPING THAT WE DIDN'T NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE.

AND THEN THEY'LL SAY, HEY, JUDGE, WRONG CITATION, DISMISS THE CASE. RIGHT? SO FAR, TO MY

[00:50:01]

SO A LOT OF THE CHANGES YOU'LL SEE AS YOU GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE ARE SIMPLY THOSE MERGES, RIGHT. YOU'LL SEE AN ENTIRE NEW SECTION, WHAT LOOKS LIKE AN ENTIRE NEW SECTION IN THE LIQUOR ORDINANCE OR WHAT PREVIOUSLY WAS A LIQUOR ORGANIZATION. SAY, IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSES, IT'LL LOOK LIKE A WHOLE NEW SECTION, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKEN FROM THE WINE OR THE BEER SECTION AND PUT INTO THERE, SOMEWHAT ALTERED. WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THEM TALK WITH EACH OTHER BETTER AND MADE CHANGES THROUGHOUT. THE ONLY THING THAT WON'T BE MERGED IS THE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS FOR UNDER THE PARKS CODE. SO WE HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT IF YOU WANT TO DO AN ALCOHOL EVENT ON CITY PROPERTY OR AN ENCLOSED PUBLIC STREET, YOU HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, AND THAT WILL REMAIN IN A SEPARATE PART OF THE CODE IN THE PARKS SECTION. WHY IS THAT? WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S IT'S ONLY APPLICABLE FOR WHEN IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY. IT'S CURRENTLY ALREADY SEPARATE. AND IT REALLY HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF CITY PROPERTY. AND IT DOESN'T APPLY TO IT'S ONLY PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY, CITY OWNED PROPERTY, AS YOU SAY. SO IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD MERGE THEM ALL TOGETHER. BUT IT JUST THAT'S CURRENTLY HOW WE HAVE.

IT KIND OF MADE SENSE NOT TO MERGE THAT THE THE PEOPLE GETTING AN ALCOHOL LICENSE, THEY REALLY DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT UNLESS THEY'RE DOING AN EVENT ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO THE CHIEF. SO JUST TO TALK, CHIEF JOHNSON, TO TALK ABOUT ALCOHOL RELATED INCIDENTS AND HAVING. SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IN REFERENCE TO THE ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING. SO IT WAS RECOGNIZED SOMETIME AGO THAT WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN ALCOHOL RELATED CRIME, ALCOHOL RELATED INCIDENTS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THAT. IT MENTIONS DUIS THERE, BUT THIS WOULD INCLUDE SEXUAL ASSAULTS, ASSAULTS, BATTERIES, DISTURBANCES, URINATION IN PUBLIC VANDALISM, SHOOTING, ALL SORTS OF CRIMES THAT HAVE A NEXUS ABOUT ALCOHOL AND SPECIFICALLY THE OVER SERVICE OF ALCOHOL. AND SO THAT OVER SERVICE TRAINING WAS BROUGHT TO YOU. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S BEEN SOME TIME NOW, BUT THE GOAL WAS TO TRY TO BRING PEOPLE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW THAT ALREADY EXISTS ABOUT OVERSERVING ALCOHOL AND THE WAY TO HELP PEOPLE COME IN COMPLIANCE WAS TO REQUIRE SOME SERVER TRAINING. WHEN THAT WAS FIRST HEARD, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY THOSE THAT HAD ALCOHOL LICENSES AND THE BARS AND PLACES LIKE THAT, RESTAURANTS, AND THEY HAVE SOME REALLY VALID CONCERNS. I THINK COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS. I ALSO SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME MEETING INDIVIDUALLY WITH DIFFERENT BAR OWNERS. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE THERE? SO THERE WERE SOME CHANGES MADE TO THE SERVER TRAINING FROM THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT YOU SAW. I CAN'T READ THAT ONE. SO IT CHANGED THE THE DEFINITION OF WHO WOULD BE CITED TO THE IMMEDIATE MANAGER. I THINK THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT EVERYONE IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WOULD OR COULD BE CITED UP TO, INCLUDING THE OWNER. AND SO IN TALKING WITH THE THE BUSINESSES, IT SEEMED BEST TO LIMIT THAT TO THE IMMEDIATE MANAGER. THAT WOULD BE THE PERSON WHO WAS FROM THE BUSINESS. WELL, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, IT CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF A SERVER, ALCOHOL AND SECURITY PERSONNEL SO THAT MANAGERS, ONLY THE IMMEDIATE MANAGERS ARE REQUIRED, ARE THE ONES REQUIRED TO GET SERVER TRAINING. AND SO WITH THIS CHANGE, IF YOU'RE THE MANAGER OF A MANAGER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET THE ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING.

SO IT WOULD JUST BE THE IMMEDIATE MANAGER THAT'S REQUIRED TO GET ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING, IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL SERVERS OF ALCOHOL AND SECURITY PERSONNEL. AND THEN IT WOULD CHANGE THE EFFECTIVE DATE TO OCTOBER 1ST. IT WOULD SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE

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THERE'S MULTIPLE PLACES WHERE A BUSINESS CAN GET THE TRAINING. SOME CHAIN STORES HAVE CORPORATE BASED TRAINING THAT THEY ALREADY REQUIRE THEIR PEOPLE TO DO. THERE'S ONLINE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE. WE'VE ALREADY HOSTED ONE SERVER TRAINING AT THE MOUNTAIN AMERICA CENTER, AND WE HAD ABOUT 40 PEOPLE ATTEND THAT ONE. SO THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET THAT TRAINING. IN OUR MEETINGS WITH THE WITH THE DIFFERENT BUSINESS OWNERS. THE OTHER THING THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT WAS A PARDON. THE ORDINANCE THAT SAID THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE COULD AND I PARAPHRASE WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, BUT IT SAYS THAT I CAN UPDATE THE REQUIRED TRAINING FROM TIME TO TIME. AS. THEIR CONCERN WAS THAT THAT I OR SOMEONE LIKE ME WOULD RANDOMLY CHANGE WHAT THEY HAD TO BE TRAINED ON. LIKE I WOULD DECIDE, WELL, I WANT YOU TO NOW TRAIN ON THIS AS WELL AND ADD STUFF THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE IN OUR CONVERSATION. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR MY MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT PORTION OF IT IS, IS THAT I COULDN'T DO THAT, BUT I COULD SAY, WELL, THIS PARTICULAR TRAINING IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE. IT DOESN'T COVER THE TOPICS WE REQUIRE. THAT'S NO LONGER ALLOWED THIS OR THIS TRAINING DOES. AND SO IT'S NOT THAT I CAN I CAN SET WHAT HAS TO BE TRAINED ON, BUT WHICH TRAININGS COVER WHAT COUNCIL HAS TO BE TRAINED ON. AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM SO THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE SOMEONE CHANGING THE REQUIREMENTS. AND I THINK WE TALKED THROUGH THAT AS WELL. AND THIS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO APPROVE SOME NATIONAL CHAINS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN TRAINING PROGRAM. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COVER WHAT'S WHAT'S SAID IN ORDINANCE. I THINK MOST OF THEM WILL COVER MORE THAN THAT. THEY COULD COVER LESS THAN THAT. SO AS LONG AS THE PARTICULAR TRAINING COVERED WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE, WE WOULD APPROVE IT. AND FOR COUNCIL'S INFORMATION, WE MODELED THIS ORDINANCE, THIS THIS PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE WE MODELED LARGELY AFTER BOISE ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING. THEY ALREADY HAVE A SIMILAR. THE LIST OF WHAT THE TRAINING. WHAT TRAINING IS REQUIRED PRETTY MUCH TOOK VERBATIM FROM THE BOISE ORDINANCE. AND SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY FROM WRONG CHIEF, THAT WE WOULD. WE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO ADOPT THOSE. IF YOU GO ON THE BOISE CITY OF BOISE WEBSITE, THEY'LL SAY, HERE, HERE'S THE APPROVED ONLINE TRAININGS. WE HAVE ONLINE TRAININGS IN ADDITION TO THE FREE TRAININGS THAT I WILL, WILL PROVIDE. AND SO POTENTIALLY CHIEF THOMPSON COULD JUST USE THOSE SAME PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED BY THE BOISE. OF COURSE, YOU CAN REVIEW THEM, MAKE SURE IT'S GOOD. BUT WE COULD WE COULD FOLLOW SUIT. AND THERE WERE RESOURCES. YEAH, THERE'S MULTIPLE ONES OUT THERE. THERE'S SOME BUSINESS OWNERS ALREADY KNOW AND LIKE, AND I THINK THEY QUALIFY. ALSO IF THERE'S A CORPORATE WOULDN'T DO THAT ALSO. AND THEN JUST THE PENALTIES, IT MAKES ESCALATING PENALTIES FOR THE CERTIFICATE HOLDER. SO IT'S FOR VIOLATIONS IN 18 MONTHS. FIRST FOR INFRACTIONS AFTER THAT WILL BECOME A MISDEMEANOR. ESCALATING PENALTIES FOR LICENSEES. THEY WOULD BE 11 VIOLATIONS IN 18 MONTHS. I HAD A QUICK CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL FRANCIS AGAIN, AND 811 BY A LOT IN 18 MONTHS. TYPICALLY, WE SET THOSE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT LOWER. THAT WAS KIND OF A COMPROMISE, KIND OF A BECAUSE YOU HAD A COMPETING INTEREST. IF I HAVE 20 SERVERS OR 30 SERVERS AND I HIRE FIVE NEW SERVERS EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS BECAUSE THERE'S TOUGH LABOR MARKET. IT SEEMED THAT WE WERE TRYING TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THE BIGGER ESTABLISHMENTS HAD PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THROUGH. THEY MAY HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT STRUGGLE TO GET THAT INITIALLY. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM. AND THEN FOR CHARITABLE,

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SERVER TRAINING HAS ALREADY IMPROVED THE ENVIRONMENT DOWNTOWN AND COMPLIANCE WE HAVE WITH SEVERAL OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. IT HAS MADE AN IMPROVEMENT. JUST THE IDEA THAT THIS IS COMING. IT'S ALREADY HELPED OUT AND THAT'S THE BASIC IDEA BEHIND THIS ORDINANCE, IS THAT A YOU KNOW, AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE. AND IT ALSO IS HELPFUL FOR THE ESTABLISHMENTS THEMSELVES BECAUSE BY IMPLEMENTING THESE SORTS OF PROGRAMS, IT HELPS THEIR LIABILITY SHOULD SOMETHING GO WRONG, BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A TRAINING SERVER PROGRAM, WE RIGOROUSLY ENFORCE AND WE KEEP OUR SERVERS TRAINED ON IT. AND THEY RECOGNIZE WHEN SOME OF THESE OVERSERVED AND NO, WE DIDN'T OVERSERVE THAT CAN BE IT CAN BE HELPFUL IN LITIGATION FOR THE ESTABLISHMENTS AS WELL. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO FOR THIS ONE, I KIND OF WANT TO LET FIRE AND COMMUNITY DEVELOP OR A BUILDING INSPECTOR COMMENT ON SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE SEEN WITH SPECIFICALLY WITH ALCOHOL CATERING PERMITS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS SO ALCOHOL CATERING PERMITS. SO LET ME JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVE A LOT OF LICENSES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERMITS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE YOUR ALCOHOL LICENSE, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO ESTABLISHMENT SELL BEER, WINE OR LIQUOR. YOU HAVE AN ALCOHOL CATERING PERMIT. WHAT THIS ALLOWS IS FOR AN ALCOHOL, SOMEBODY WHO HOLDS AN ALCOHOL LICENSE TO GO OFF PREMISES, TO GO TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND HOLD, YOU KNOW, SERVE ALCOHOL AT AN EVENT CAN BE NO LONGER THAN THREE DAYS. AND WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER PERMIT CALLED A CHARITABLE OR PERMIT FOR BENEVOLENT CHARITABLE OR PUBLIC PURPOSE, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO AN ALCOHOL CATERING PERMIT, EXCEPT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOU CAN APPLY FOR IT EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE. YOUR SUBJECT IS MORE ADDITIONAL STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS. YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE USING THE PROFITS AND PAYING IT TOWARDS SOME SORT OF CHARITABLE OR BENEVOLENT PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO THERE'S A MORE STRINGENT ON THAT. BUT THE ISSUE HAS BEEN THAT AT TIMES PEOPLE WILL BASICALLY GET CONSECUTIVE ALCOHOL CATERING PERMITS. AGAIN, THESE ARE MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY. THEY'RE MEANT TO BE FOR THREE DAYS ONLY. BUT WE OUR CURRENT CODE HAS NO LIMIT. SO YOU CAN GET ONE EVERY THREE DAYS. SO I'LL LET FIRE AND CBS TALK TO SOME OF THOSE. I'LL START WITH FIRE FIRST AND THEN TURN TO CBS.

SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP FROM THAT. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR, COUNCIL, SCOTT, FIRE MARSHAL. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN TASKED WITH BEING A PART OF THE ALCOHOL LICENSE AND CATERING PERMIT PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THE BUILDINGS MEET A BASIC FIRE SAFETY INSPECTION AND QUICK HISTORY. THE FIRE CODE IS THE MAINTENANCE CODE FOR THE BUILDING CODE, AND OUR INSPECTORS GO OUT TO ENSURE THAT THE BUILDING'S MAINTAINED AT THE STANDARD, THAT IT WAS BUILT UNDER THE BUILDING CODE. AND WITH THAT, THERE'S A SMALL CLASS OF BUILDINGS THAT CAN SERVE ALCOHOL AND ALCOHOL IN THEM. AND THEY'RE PART OF THE ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCIES. AND IT'S THE ASSEMBLY TO. SO PART OF OUR INSPECTION WHEN WE GO, BESIDES MAKING SURE DOORS OPEN THE RIGHT WAY, THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SIGNS, FIRE SIGNALS ARE IN PLACE. WE ALSO VET TO SEE IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE BUILDING TO HOLD THE EVENT, BUT IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE BUILDING TO HOLD AN EVENT. THEN WE'LL THROUGH THE CATERING PROCESS, WE LOOK AT IF THEY HAVE THE BASIC SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE, WE'LL GIVE THEM A PERMIT TO THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO AN INTERNAL POLICY WITH ID. WHAT WE FOUND IS IF THERE IS A BUSINESS THAT STARTS AND IS OPERATING LIKE A BAR RESTAURANT, WE REFER THEM TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO PUT A STOP WORK ORDER. YOU ARE, YOU ARE, YOU'VE STARTED A BUSINESS IN THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S NOT AN A TO OR AN APPROPRIATE BUILDING.

YOU NEED TO WORK WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO GO THROUGH THE CHANGE OF USE PROCESS TO

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THAT WOULD BE THE GYM ON FIRST STREET, THE OLD BAR. THEY CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE, BUT THEY ARE IN A TWO. SO WE WOULD CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM THEIR PERMITS BECAUSE THEY MET THAT BUILDING STANDARD AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE IN BUSINESS. BUT FOR CHARITABLE EVENTS LIKE ZAC MENTIONED, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A LIMIT ON THOSE BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE THAT ASSIST THEM WITH THEIR PERMIT PROCESS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE BEFORE WE GO TO THE THE CONTINUED SLIDE, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO FINISH THE CONTINUE SLIDE? JUST A QUESTION. WHY? WHY DID WE WANT TO GO DOWN. 52 TO 12. SO THE UNDERLYING CONCERN IS THAT BY GETTING AN ALCOHOL CATERING PERMIT. FOR BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T A. TWO THEY'RE NOT UP TO CODE FOR AN A2 ASSEMBLY GROUP. THESE A2 ASSEMBLY GROUP, THEY HAVE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET. RIGHT. I BELIEVE IT'S THEY HAVE TO SPRINKLE. IT HAS TO BE SPRINKLERS, SPRINKLERS OR SO IN IN A LOT OF CASES, THAT IS.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S THERE'S A NUMBER OF REQUIREMENTS THAT THE A2 CLASSIFICATION OF ANY BUILDING IS. IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF FOOD AND DRINK AND ANY OTHER CLASSIFICATION OF A BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED THAT WAY. AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET BUILDINGS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE CATERING PERMITS TO, TO GET THEIR BUILDINGS UP TO A STANDARD THAT IS SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE IN. SO IT'S LARGELY A SAFETY. WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS, OR THE, THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS WE HAVE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE MET THAT HAVE COME UP TO CODE TO BE SAFE, AND THEY'VE GOT THEIR ALCOHOL LICENSE, BUT THERE'S KIND OF AN UNFAIR COMPETITION WHEN WE HAVE UNLIMITED NUMBER OF TEMPORARY ALCOHOL CATERING PERMITS IS BASICALLY A BUSINESS THAT HAS NOT INVESTED THE EXPENSE OF COMING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SAFETY NEEDED OR THE CODE NEEDED TO BE SAFE. THEY CAN HAVE UNLIMITED AND BASICALLY OPERATE THE DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT. AND SO THE IDEA, BUT THE IDEA HERE IS KIND OF WRESTLING WITH, WE WANT TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO DRINK, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE VESTED INTERESTS IN THE CURRENT MODEL THAT WE HAVE UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, THAT PEOPLE CAN GET UNLIMITED NUMBER OF CATERING PERMITS. SO THE IDEA HERE IS FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS, THEY CAN RECOUP THEIR INVESTMENT. AND IF THEY WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES TO COME TO IT, UP TO THE STANDARDS OF AN A2 OR ASSEMBLY GROUP A2, THEY CAN OR OR THEY JUST HAVE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ALCOHOL PERMITS IN THE FOURTH AND FIFTH YEARS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 12. SO FOR US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, CAN YOU KIND OF DESCRIBE WHAT KIND OF COSTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO GO TO AN A2? SO ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, I WORK ON LINCOLN ROAD AND THERE WAS A THERE WAS A MECHANIC SHOP THAT HAD A BIG SECTION THAT BECAME A, AN ANTIQUE STORE. AND IT WAS AN ANTIQUE STORE FOR TEN YEARS. AND THEN THEY JUST PUT UP A SIGN RECENTLY THAT SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE AN EVENT SPACE. SO THE COST OF PUTTING THAT BUILDING INTO AN A2, ARE WE TALKING $1 MILLION, 200,000? I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY 52 PERMITS,

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YEAH. AND SO ONE, ONE WAY THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE THIS ORDINANCE IS THE PURPOSE WAS PARTICULARLY TO HELP PLACES LIKE THE MUSEUMS THAT HAD EVENTS WHERE THEY WERE AND THEY HAD ALCOHOL AT THE EVENT. BUT IT HAS TURNED OUT TO BE A BUSINESS PRACTICE, WHICH HAS HELPED SOME BUSINESS GROUPS GO. AND DID WE INTEND THAT THE THREE DAY PERMITS COULD BE JUST DRAWN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE AND THIS IS WHERE I HAVE A QUESTION TO, TO MAKE SURE I GOT THIS RIGHT. IT IS FOR LOCATION. SO SOMEBODY WHO HAS THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE, THEY COULD DO 300 EVENTS AS LONG AS THERE WAS NO LOCATION MORE THAN 52 TIMES. IS THAT THE WAY I'M READING THIS? IF THEY HAD THE PERSONNEL, THEY COULD DO 1500 EVENTS A YEAR AND GO GO ALL OVER AND NOT AT ONE LOCATION, ONLY 52 RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND BASICALLY THAT'S REALLY FOR THE THIS IS ABOUT THE LOCATION. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ALCOHOL LICENSE. OKAY, SO WHY DID WE DO THE THREE DAY PERMIT AND WHAT WERE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? BECAUSE THAT'S THE KEY TO WHAT THE QUESTION YOU'RE GETTING TO, I THINK, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? LIKE I THINK THE OTHER BROADER ISSUE IS COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD COME BACK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT DEFINITION IS IN HERE. BUT BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT THE THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE CATERERS, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THIS IS AN UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION JUST IN MY EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE AS A CEO WHO HAS TO SIGN, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE DOCUMENTS AND I HAVE TO PLAN ANNUAL DINNERS, MY INSURANCE WILL NOT LET ME RUN AN ANNUAL DINNER WITHOUT SIGNING THAT. I WILL NOT ALLOW ALCOHOL SERVED UNLESS THERE'S A CATERER PRESENT, BECAUSE THE LIABILITY IS SO HIGH. BECAUSE IF YOU OVERSERVE SOMEONE AND IT'S A IT'S A COMPANY DINNER AND THEY DRIVE AND KILL SOMEONE, WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS. AND THE INSURANCE COMPANIES KNOW THAT. AND SO THEY HAVE ENFORCED THAT. AND SO, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK SOME OF THIS COMES TO FRUITION, LIKE WITH A MUSEUM OR SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO DO THIS.

AND THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, WHERE WE GO BACK INTO A BUILDING LIKE THAT AND MAKE IT SAFE AND DO A SPRINKLER LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY FORWARD, IS WHAT I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO DO. LOOK FOR RIGHT NOW. BACK OFF THE NONPROFIT ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE SECTION. WE'LL COME BACK TO IT THERE TOO.

AND I'VE GOT TWO VIEWS IN MY HEAD ON THAT ONE. THIS ONE IS JUST FOR WE'VE ESTABLISHED A BUSINESS PRACTICE THAT ALLOWS A BUILDING THAT WAS USED FOR SOME PURPOSE TO BE CONVERTED TO AN EVENT CENTER AND START HAVING CATERED ■EVENTS. NOW THEY CAN DO THAT AT 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR, OR WELL, THEY CAN DO IT UNLIMITED RIGHT NOW. NO. CAN I JUST ANSWER YOUR A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD, AND THEN THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TO TALK ABOUT.

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THAT'S WHY THAT CATEGORY KIND OF GETS LIMITED. DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBER? FOR ME, IT IS 200,000 PLUS AT LEAST RIGHT TO SPRINKLER IT. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON QUITE A BIT ON, ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND STUFF. THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND. ONE EXAMPLE IS, IS CODY JUST MENTIONED THE UNDER 5000 SQUARE SQUARE FEET OR UNDER 100. A LOT OF OUR SMALL RESTAURANTS IN TOWN THAT SERVE ALCOHOL DO NOT NEED THESE EXTRA SAFETY BECAUSE THEY ARE SMALL ENOUGH. YEAH THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, FRANKLIN CHEESESTEAK, THE PIEHOLE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN SERVE AND DRINK BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER THAT PERIMETER. AND YOU WILL SEE A DESIGN MARKET IN ARCHITECTURE THAT ARE BUILDING RIGHT UNDER THE PARAMETERS, WHICH IS GREAT IN, IN IT'S, IT MEETS THE BUILDING CODE AND THEY KNOW EXACTLY THOSE THRESHOLDS AND, AND KIND OF DESIGN RIGHT UNDER THEM. YEAH. SO, SO REALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO INTRODUCING ALCOHOL INTO A BUILDING, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS REALLY GET TIGHTENED UP REALLY, REALLY FAST BECAUSE YOU CAN DO LIKE AN A THREE, WHICH IS AN EVENT CENTER WITHOUT ALCOHOL. AND THE, AND IT OPENS UP QUITE A LOT. SO THE TEST AND, AND THE RESEARCH AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN ONCE YOU INTRODUCE ALCOHOL INTO A BUILDING, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS REALLY TIGHTEN UP. IT REALLY SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE COHERENT, MAKING GOOD CHOICES. GREAT. YEAH, BUT, BUT ONE OF THE HUGE DIFFERENCES IS YOU'LL SEE IS WHERE THESE SPRINKLERS AT THAT 90, 99 PERSON LEVEL, WE HAVE BUILDINGS THAT PULL ALCOHOL PERMITS THAT THEY COULD HAVE 1800 PEOPLE IN THERE WITH NO SPRINKLERS. SO THOSE ARE THOSE THINGS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIRE DEATHS IN AMERICA, WE HAVE A THEATER THAT WAS THE WORST IN 602 PEOPLE. BUT EVERYTHING UNDER THAT BAR, RESTAURANT, BAR, RESTAURANT, BAR, RESTAURANT, CONCERT, PLACE, BAR, RESTAURANT AND, AND, AND IT'S JUST A, WE TRY TO LEARN FROM THOSE TRAGEDIES AND PUT THINGS IN PLACE. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE IN THE BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE TODAY. BUT. I THINK THAT'S JUST THE BEST WAY I CAN KIND OF. THIS IS JUST A WAY TO FIND THAT ROUTE FORWARD OVER TIME, AS OPPOSED TO JUST IMPLEMENTING IT RIGHT NOW. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S NOT GOING TO ELIMINATE ALCOHOL PERMITS. EVEN AFTER THE FIFTH YEAR, IT ALLOWS UP TO 12 PER LOCATION. SO IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE ALCOHOL EVENTS ONCE A MONTH FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES, THAT'S FINE. OR IF YOU HAVE LIKE A FEW WEDDINGS A YEAR. SURE, SURE. YEAH. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE, WELL,

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YEAH. THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, POLITICS, THESE, THESE RANDOM HOLIDAY OPPORTUNITIES THAT BUSINESSES GET. ARE YOU JUST SAYING OPPOSED TO ONE DAY OR WHEN YOU ASK THAT QUESTION? NO, BECAUSE I, AS I REMEMBER IT, CAME FROM EVENTS LIKE AT THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO. WELL, THE CHARITY ONES DEFINITELY. YEAH, MOSTLY ANNUAL EVENTS, BUT SOMETIMES LIKE QUARTERLY EVENTS, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE LIKE THE MUSEUM. I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THE ART MUSEUM PERIODICALLY RENTS THEIR SPACE OUT TO VARIOUS GROUPS. SO THEY FELT LIKE. IF THEY GOT THE IF THEY GOT SOMEBODY WITH THE PERMIT TO COME AND SERVE THE ALCOHOL, THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE CODE. DO YOU SEE WE WERE ENCOURAGING THE NON. IT IS NONPROFIT, BUT THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING IT BY RENTING IT OUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE DID IT. BUT IS THAT STILL WHY WE'RE DOING IT? BECAUSE WE HAVE CREATED A BUSINESS PRACTICE. I BELIEVE THAT WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THE. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE HAVE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PUT A LIMIT ON HOW MANY YOU COULD HAVE. RIGHT. SO THIS DOES THAT. BUT I THINK IT WAS ALSO THAT THERE THERE WAS THAT PRACTICE HAPPENING. RIGHT. AND IT WASN'T IT WASN'T LIKE THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO WAS SUDDENLY UP. ALL RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. LIKE, RIGHT. LIKE, YEAH, YEAH, IT WAS THERE IS THIS, THIS IDEA THAT, THAT THERE IS TRYING TO MAKE A SHIFT IN THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES. EXACTLY. YEAH. SO IT ISN'T REALLY A CHANGE OF USE. SO IT WAS TRYING TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE THAT THAT CHANGE OF USE WASN'T, WAS EQUALLY AS AGGRESSIVE, RIGHT.

FOR, FOR A BUSINESS OR FOR A, A CENTER. SO IF THAT WAS OUR MAIN PURPOSE, THEN THAT'S WHERE THIS KIND OF CAME FROM. TO SAY WE DIDN'T INTEND TO ESTABLISH A BUSINESS PRACTICE THAT WOULD GO ON AS A THREE DAY A WEEK NIGHTCLUB. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT REALLY MAYBE YOU'VE GONE BEYOND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE CHANGED THE USE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. NOW YOU REALLY ARE DOING THIS.

WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY BACK OUT OF THIS HOLE. THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL COMES FROM. AND, AND LIKE GETTING THESE NUMBERS IS, IS A LITTLE BIT GUESSWORK. SO I'M NOT SAYING THESE ARE THE BEST NUMBERS WE COULD, WE COULD DECIDE TO CHANGE THEM. AND 12TH MAY BE TOO SMALL. I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN WAS BEHIND IT. TRYING TO ADJUST TO WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE. AM I SPEAKING CORRECTLY? YEAH, YOU'RE SPEAKING CORRECTLY. IT'S JUST I JUST ALSO WANT TO REITERATE THIS REALLY PUTS US IN A DILEMMA. SO OUTSIDE OF THE, THE PERMITTING THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED, IF IF SOMEONE IS SERVING ALCOHOL IN THE BUILDING, THAT'S NOT A, A TWO AND WE GET A COMPLAINT AND WE GO INSPECT IT, WE BRING IT TO CODY, HE PUTS A STOP WORK ORDER AND CLOSES IT DOWN. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING THERE. BUT THEN ON THE BACK SIDE, THROUGH THE STATE, I CAN PERMIT. RIGHT. AND WE DECIDE WHAT THEIR LEVEL OF PEOPLE CAN BE IN THERE AND DECLARE THAT MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY, WHICH WE JUST WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DESIGN VALUE ON THE BLUEPRINTS THAT SAY THIS. AND FOR THE MUSEUM, IT'S A 1040. FOR OTHER PLACES, IT'S 1920. AND WHEN YOU GO BACK TO LOOK AT WHEN SOMEONE'S ASKING ME, I WANT TO BE A BAR TODAY OR TONIGHT. HERE'S THE THRESHOLD.

IT'S THAT 5000FT■S, 100 PEOPLE ON THE MAIN FLOOR. OR I'M OR I'M MAKING IT UP. LIKE YOU SAID, I'M MAKING UP A NUMBER. OR DO YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY? BECAUSE I THINK VERY VALID TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT I'M BEING A BAR FOR THE NIGHT, RIGHT? WHERE SOMEONE'S TRYING TO CREATE REVENUE AND THEY'RE REALLY. BUT WHAT IF IT'S A WEDDING AND YOU'RE JUST HAVING WINE THERE? AND SUDDENLY IT'S A SPRINKLER QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THERE SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE THERE, BUT IT CAN'T BE FOR YOU AS A REGULATOR THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT. YEAH. I LOOK AT IT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. IF YOU'RE AN EVENT CENTER, DOWNTOWN EVENT CENTER, AND THEY HOLD EVENTS 300 PLUS DAYS A YEAR AND THEY HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE, SOME OF THESE EVENT CENTERS MAY HAVE THEIR OWN LICENSE OR THEY MAY CATER. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, BUT I DON'T I DON'T LOOK AT THEM ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN CODY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? AND SOMETIMES WE, WE TEND TO, TO JUST FOCUS ON THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN THESE BUILDINGS. BUT IT REALLY COMES

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PERMITS IS AGAIN, THE PARAMETERS THERE ARE DIFFERENT. THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT TO A. FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE. ONE OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE MADE IS THAT CURRENTLY, TO GET A CATERING PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CITY ALCOHOL LICENSE AND. THE PROPOSED CHANGE HERE IS TO ALLOW. EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CITY ALCOHOL LICENSE, BUT YOU HAVE A STATE OR COUNTY ONE THAT'S REQUIRED, THAT YOU COULD COME IN AND DO A CATERING EVENT HERE IN THE CITY. SO IT WOULD ALLOW OUT OF CITY ALCOHOL LICENSE HOLDERS TO COME INTO THE CITY.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHANGES. AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS, DID YOU HAVE A I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE REASON WAS, BUT WE AT TIMES, I BELIEVE WE HAVE EVENTS WHERE WE HAVE OUT OF OUT OF CITY ALCOHOL VENDORS. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT THE REASON? I THINK THE IDEA WAS THAT SOME SOME PEOPLE HAVE LICENSES, DO CATERING, BUT THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE COUNTY OR THEY'RE LOCATED IN. SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A CITY LICENSE, CITY ALCOHOL LICENSE, BUT THEY HAVE A STATE LICENSE AND THEY HAVE A COUNTY LICENSE OR LOCAL WHATEVER THEY HAVE, THEY COULD COME TO IDAHO FALLS AND CATER AN EVENT. THAT WAS THE IDEA. YEAH. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS. OTHERWISE YOU'D BE LIMITING ONLY CATERERS THAT WERE PREMISED IN IDAHO FALLS COULD CATER AN EVENT, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO RESTRICT IT AT THAT LEVEL. THAT WAS WHAT WAS BEHIND THAT. OKAY. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE. HOLD ON, CAN I SKIP A SLIDE? OKAY. SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. THIS GOING BACK TO THE ALCOHOL PERMITS THAT CHANGES AGAIN IF THERE'S A DO NOT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO IF THERE'S A STOP WORK NOTICE OR DO NOT OCCUPY ORDER IN PLACE, THEY CAN'T GET ONE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THE BUILDING. AND THEN ALSO WHEN THERE'S AN ALCOHOL CATERING PERMIT ISSUED, IT HAS A NUMBER ON THERE THAT I BELIEVE IS FIVE SETS OF THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND THAT'LL BE ON THERE. AND THEN PART OF THIS CODE CHANGE WILL SAY, YOU CAN'T EXCEED THAT NUMBER, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'LL BE LOWER THAN THE NORMAL BUILDING LIMITS. RIGHT. AS I EXPLAINED TO YOU TONIGHT, WHEN THERE'S ALCOHOL INVOLVED, THAT NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE THERE SHRINKS DRASTICALLY AT TIMES. AND THAT ACTUALLY WOULDN'T HAVE REQUIRED THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE ALREADY STARTED THAT PRACTICE ON THE APPLICATION. NOW THE CATERER HAS TO IDENTIFY HOW MANY PEOPLE WE GET FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YES. IN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL APPROVES THOSE OCCUPANCY, THE MAX OCCUPANCY LOAD IN THE SPACE. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE VERIFYING WITH HIM OR ON A ON A SITE APPROVED PLAN. AND SOMETIMES WE'LL GO. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT HISTORY, WE'LL GO MEASURE AND APPLY THE CALCULUS AND CONFIRM IT WITH THE BUILDING. AND THE

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GOING OKAY. SO GOING FORWARD, WE ALREADY WE ALREADY COVERED THIS OUT OF CITY PEOPLE, ALCOHOL LICENSE HOLDERS COULD DO ALCOHOL CATERING PERMIT. OKAY, SO ONE ISSUE THAT WE'VE FOUND OVER THE YEARS IS THIS, THIS LOOPHOLE OF A PERSON THAT HAS WHAT'S CLEARLY A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT WILL HAVE AN EVENT AND THEY'LL JUST LEASE IT OUT TO A PRIVATE PARTY, AND THEN THAT PRIVATE PARTY WILL SERVE ALCOHOL. WE GO TO, YOU KNOW, SITE AND THEY SAY, THIS IS A PRIVATE EVENT. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU CAN'T CITE US. AND SO IN A WAY, JUST BY DINT OF A LEASE, THEY'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T REGULATE OUR SPACE AND YOU CAN'T PROHIBIT US FROM HAVING ALCOHOL. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT, CHIEF? OKAY. SO THE PROPOSED SOLUTION IS TO HAVE DEFINED COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THAT. THAT'S IN SECTION FOUR, TWO ONE IN THE DEFINITIONS SECTION. BASICALLY, IF YOU HOLD YOURSELF OUT AS A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT AND YOU'RE NOT A RESIDENCE OR A HOTEL OR MOTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOUR COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. AND SO THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE, UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE OR A CATERING PERMIT OR A CHARITABLE EVENTS PERMIT, YOU CAN'T. THE OWNER OR OPERATOR CAN'T SELL, ETC. ALCOHOL FROM A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. SO YOU'VE GOT TO GET A LICENSE, OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T DO IT. YOU ALSO CAN'T LEASE OR RENT TO ANOTHER PERSON KNOWING THAT THE PERSON WOULD SERVE ALCOHOL. SO AGAIN, IT'S TRYING TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE. IF SOMEBODY'S SAYING, HEY, I HAVE A LEASE.

AND SO THEY WERE PRIVATE EVENT. AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, A PERSON RENTING OR LEASING COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT CAN'T SELL ALCOHOL AGAIN UNLESS THEY HAVE THE PROPER LICENSES OR PERMITS.

AND SO IT'S COMING AT IT FROM BOTH ANGLES, BOTH THE OWNER AS WELL AS THE PERSON LEASING IT HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO SERVE ALCOHOL UNLESS THEY HAVE THE PROPER LICENSES OR PERMITS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YEAH, I HAVE ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS. FIRST OF ALL, UNDER OUR RULES, LIKE, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT THE REGULATORY AGENCY, RIGHT? IDAHO STATE POLICE AND ABC IS THE REGULATORY. AND TO SAY THAT COMMERCIAL SPACES, I MEAN, THIS EVEN MAKES ME QUESTION WHETHER IF I'M A CONSULTANT AND I HAVE PEOPLE OVER FOR A BEER, I'M A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. LIKE THAT SEEMS PROBLEMATIC. IF THIS SEEMS VERY, VERY, VERY BROAD AND NOT ALLOWED UNDER IDAHO CODE 23916, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT A CITY CAN AND CAN'T REGULATE BASED ON WHEN THERE'S A STATE REGULATORY AGENCY TELLING US WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T. JOHN, WILL YOU REPEAT THAT A LITTLE LOUDER JUST BECAUSE I'M WRITING THIS DOWN? YEAH. MY DAD FOR WHAT I DAPA 11.05. IF YOU GO LOOK IT UP, ABC IS THE REGULATORY AGENCY ALCOHOL BUREAU. SO THE STATE OFFICE OF THE STATE POLICE ARE THE ONES WHO RUN ALCOHOL LAWS. RIGHT. AND WE ARE DILLON'S REAL ESTATE. AND AND WE DON'T GET TO DO THINGS THAT WE JUST WANT TO DO. AND, AND MAKING COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS A PLACE THAT CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL. IT'S NOT IT'S SOMETHING THEY'VE CONSIDERED. AND THEY JUST REDID THIS WHOLE LAW IN 2025 AND DIDN'T WITNESS IT. AND THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SPACE EVENTS, EVENT CENTERS, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN EVENTS CENTER IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO JUST TOOK A BUSINESS MODEL FOR IT. RIGHT? SO I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN OPTION FOR US TO DO. AND I CAN LOOK INTO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO. CAN WE MEET AFTERWARDS? YOU CAN. AND WE HAVE JULY. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT FOR A WHILE, BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET VERY GRANULAR IF WE WANT TO KIND OF TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS AND LOOK AT IT, DAPA, INSTEAD OF JUST, YOU KNOW, THE THIS DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL IN A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE OR PERMIT. SO IF YOU HAVE CATERING PERMIT, YOU CAN HAVE ALCOHOL THERE. BUT SO THAT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT I JUST SAID ABOUT BEING A CONSULTANCY PRACTICE IN YOUR HOME. YOU'RE GOING TO GET A CATERING PERMIT FOR EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO DRINK A BEER. I MEAN, EVERY, EVERY, EVERY RESIDENCE IN THE CITY THAT RUNS A VERY SPECIFIC AGAINST RESIDENCY IN THIS THOUGH, I MEAN, IF I REMEMBER, BUT IF BUT IF YOU'RE A COMMERCIAL ENTITY WITH THIS DEFINITION, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TIGHTEN THAT. CLARK,

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AND HE SAID, WE HAVE WE HAVE OUR OVERSIGHT OF THE ALCOHOL LICENSES AND PERMITS, BUT WE RELY ON YOU GUYS IN OUR LOCAL CITIES, LIKE WE DON'T SEND INSPECTORS OUT. IT'S UP TO THE FIRE INSPECTORS TO GO VALIDATE. ARE THEY IN THE RIGHT SPACE? DOES IT MEAN BASIC FIRE SAFETY INSPECTION? AND CODY AND I HAD DISCUSSED THIS, DISCUSSED THIS QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST MONTH, COUPLE MONTHS SINCE I'VE BEEN HOME. AND CODY, CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THE THE CODE COUNCIL? WHEN YOU WHEN YOU ASKED ABOUT HOW MANY PERMITS OR HOW MANY TIMES WE COULD ALLOW ALCOHOL IN THE OUTSIDE OF AN A TO. BECAUSE I HAVE JUST. SO YEAH, SO FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD ASKED ME, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD LOOK INTO HOW MANY TIMES THEY COULD ALLOW AN ALCOHOL EVENT IN A BUILDING THAT WAS NOT DESIGNED THAT WAY. AND SO I REACHED OUT TO INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL ON THAT, AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, THE NUMBER IS ZERO. WHAT? TELL ME WHAT INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHO DOES THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE. YEAH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY CREATE THE IPC, THE FIRE CODE, EXISTING BUILDING CODES, ALL OF OUR CODES FOR MOST ALL OF OUR CODES COME RIGHT FROM ICC. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS HOW ABC AND ADAPA IS READING. SO. COULD YOU HAVE A MADAM CLERK, IF WE COULD GO DOWN TO THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT JUST FOR REFERENCE, THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE. NOW ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE. THAT IS THE ONE THAT I JUST READ. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. ANY LOCATION UPON WHICH ANY BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED THAT PROVIDES, EXTENDS, OFFERS, SELLS OR OTHERWISE MAKES AVAILABLE GOODS, SERVICES OR FACILITIES TO THE PUBLIC, NOT

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AND AND THIS IS COUNCIL'S ORDINANCE. AND IF YOU WANT TO TWEAK THE DEFINITION, WE ABSOLUTELY COULD TWEAK IT. BUT THE WAY THIS IS WHAT THE INTENT BEHIND IT WAS. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AGAIN, THE IDEA HERE IS WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT SAFETY.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING YOUR ALCOHOL, THE ALCOHOL LICENSE, ALCOHOL PERMITS, CHARITABLE EVENT PERMITS, WHAT THAT DOES IS ALLOWS US TO REVIEW AND SAY, HEY, ARE YOU SAFE FOR CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL? AND WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM FOR SAYING, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEN A PERSON CAN SAY, I JUST DON'T GET A LICENSE, THEN I'LL JUST SELL ALCOHOL. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA OF KIND OF, DID YOU FIND A CLAUSE LIKE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE? BECAUSE THIS ISN'T IN THE BOISE ORDINANCE, IS IT? NO, NO, THIS IS VERY YEAH. THIS DOESN'T SEEM NORMAL. WHEN I STARTED LOOKING. SO THERE MUST BE ANOTHER WAY TO COMMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU CAN'T JUST GO THE OTHER WAY, RIGHT? THERE MUST BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME. AND BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS IF YOUR COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT, YOU'VE GOT TO GET A LICENSE OR PERMIT, OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL BECAUSE IT'S A REGULATED ITEM. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS THAT'S THE INTENT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS TRYING TO, TO ACCOMPLISH.

BUT WHEN I TALK WITH ATTORNEYS, WHEN I TALK WITH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE EXPERTS, THAT'S NOT BEEN THE CONCEPT AROUND ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION AT A PRIVATE EVENT IN A BUSINESS OR A BUILDING YOU OWN, YOU PUT UP SIGNS THAT SAY, THIS IS A PRIVATE EVENT AND THE PUBLIC'S NOT WELCOME. SO SAY YOU WANT TO PUT A WEDDING ON IT. YOU'RE MY NEIGHBOR HAS THIS NICE BACKYARD. OR IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON AT YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS FOR A NIGHT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIGHT AFTER FIVE OR A BUSINESS AFTER HOURS FROM THE CHAMBER, AND YOU WANT TO SERVE ALCOHOL. IF IT'S A PRIVATE EVENT THAT WAS BY INVITEES AND YOU SAY TO THE PUBLIC, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED HERE RIGHT NOW, THEN SOMEONE SHOWING UP WITH BEER AND ALCOHOL IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. AND IT HAS BEEN IN THE STATE OF IDAHO FOR THE LAST FOREVER. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FINDING THIS TENSION, IS THAT THAT HASN'T EVER BEEN KIND OF RESOLVED AT THE STATE LEVEL, I DO. IF I SAW THE BACKYARD EXAMPLE THAT THAT'S A RESIDENCE, THAT WOULD BE IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. BUT YES, IF YOU'RE UNDER THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT, IF YOU ARE A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT AND YOU SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOW A PRIVATE EVENT, THEN YES, THIS IS WHAT THIS WOULD APPLY. AND THE ANSWER WOULD BE AN ALCOHOL PERMIT. WELL, THAT'S IF YOU'RE GOING TO FORCE THAT ISSUE. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE UP AGAINST SOME LEGAL PROBLEMS. THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVE ATTORNEYS, YOU WILL FIND AN ATTORNEY TO ARGUE BOTH SIDES OF EVERY POINT KNOWN TO MAN. I MEAN, IT'S DESIGNED AS AN ADVERSARIAL SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO IF WHEN WE TALKED, SO I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ON A, B, C, AND THE STATE POLICE ENFORCE THIS, THEY CAN, BUT THEY DON'T. WE DO IT. THAT'S WHY CONCURRENCE. WE WILL CALL A, B, C AND THEY HELP US OUT. WE WILL CALL THE STATE POLICE. THEY WILL HELP US. BUT IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO SIT AND WAIT FOR THEM TO DO ENFORCEMENT, THAT'S THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. WHAT WE SO WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT A, B, C AND THE STATE POLICE, THEIR OPINION IS WHAT THE THE STUFF YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS ALREADY PROHIBITED BY STATE LAW AND GO AHEAD AND ARREST FOR IT AND CITE FOR IT. THAT'S THE OPINION FROM THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL AND THE STATE POLICE THAT THOSE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE SERVING ALCOHOL ARE DOING SO OUTSIDE OF THE THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE AN ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT. SO THAT'S THEIR, YOU KNOW, THAT. DO YOU THINK IT'S YOU MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR THAT THEY SAID THEY WERE CLOSED FOR BUSINESS THAT THAT DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE THAT MATTERS IMMENSELY. AND THEN SAY THEN IS IT OKAY TO. YEAH, THIS IS WHAT I'M I'M SURE THERE'S AN ATTORNEY TO ARGUE THAT'S JUST FINE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ARGUING IN COURT. WHEN WE ARREST THEM, YOU WILL FIND AN ATTORNEY THAT ARGUES THAT THE WHOLE TIME. BUT BUT OUR OUR INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, IS THAT THAT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL UNDER STATE LAW. WE ARE STRUGGLING ENFORCEMENT HERE IN IDAHO FALLS BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ARGUING BOTH SIDES TO THE POINT WHAT WE WERE HOPING THIS ORDINANCE WOULD DO WAS MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. MY SEAT SAYS, LET'S FIND OUT SO THAT WE DON'T DO THAT AND THEN GET SUED FOR A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE, LET'S LET'S GET IT RIGHT. SO LET'S GET IT IN WRITING FROM FROM ABC AND IN NAPA AND FROM THE STATE POLICE. AND THEN LET'S LOOK AT THE COURT CASES BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN THIS ISN'T LIKE THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED. AND I WAS SHOWN THE COURT CASES WHERE

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WHAT WE DO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, THOUGH, IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY TRUE OR NOT. BUT AND I THINK I THINK THE CATERING PERMIT OPTION, I THINK MIGHT BE A PRETTY GOOD MIDDLE GROUND, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT FROM THERE, BRING THAT FROM. AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS TOO, THE REASON I SAY WE DON'T USE WATER, WE HIRE WATER ATTORNEY. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK WITH THIS ORDINANCE TOO, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SEND IT ALL THROUGH A FEW DIFFERENT ALCOHOL ATTORNEYS. LIKE WE CAN DO THAT AUTHORIZATION. YEAH, WE NEED TO GET SOME MONEY FOR IT TO HAPPEN. BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS THAT THE, THE COMPLEXITY OF THE INTERACTION OF THE STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND ABC AND IDAHO IS SO COMPLEX. US JUST SAYING, NO, WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO ESTABLISH. AND THE DEFINITION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ON THIS PIECE. I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. I COULD GO ON, BUT YOU'VE GIVEN ONE SIDE OF THE EXTREME OF SOMEBODY RUNS AN ARCHITECTURE THING OUT OF THEIR HOME AND HAS A BEER WITH SOMEBODY. THE OTHER EXTREME IS SOMEBODY SAYS, I CAN MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF I HAVE A WAREHOUSE, AND I PUSH ALL THE STUFF OVER HERE, AND THIS OTHER BECOMES AN EVENT CENTER, AND PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND CREATE PRIVATE PARTIES AND DRINK AND BRING THEIR OWN BOOZE, THAT CREATES A PROBLEM. AND WHEN THAT CREATES A PROBLEM, WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T GET OUT, AND WE SAID WE HAD A CHANCE TO PREVENT THAT AND WE DIDN'T, THAT'S A RESPONSIBILITY TOO. SO THAT'S THE OTHER END OF IT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING. THAT'S WHERE THIS COMES FROM IS THAT VERY PROBLEM. AND I JUST THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMEONE WHO'S DONE THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IN THE STATE OF IDAHO, THIS HAPPENED AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY BECAUSE WHEN I JUST THERE HAS TO BE A MORE. AND WE DO HAVE I MEAN, JUST FOR ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING AND LISTENING, WE DO HAVE JUNE 2ND THROUGH JUNE 21ST FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH. AND IF WE FIND THAT, AS YOU KNOW, WE MOVE FORWARD LEGALLY THAT THERE IS SOME QUESTION THERE, WE WILL AS WELL, YOU KNOW, REWORK IT AND THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS AS WELL. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN THE, YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATED TIMELINE. SO THERE IS THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'LL MOVE ON.

JUST AN INTEREST OF TIME. MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION RECENTLY IS THAT OUR ORDINANCE, CURRENT ORDINANCES DON'T ARE PRETTY LIGHT ON WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION, AS WELL AS THE BASES FOR SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION. IF YOU NOTICE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINE AND BEER ORDINANCES, IT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION THE WORD REVOCATION. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND THEN IN OUR LIQUOR ORDINANCE, IT DOES MENTION REVOCATION, BUT IT'S A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF GROUNDS, WHICH WAS KIND OF A SURPRISE TO THE THE THEN CITY CLERK THAT WE COULDN'T REVOKE, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT THEY, THEY, THEY BECAME DISQUALIFIED FOR A GROUND THAT WASN'T IN THAT SPECIFIC LIST.

SO WE HAVE THE PROPOSED SOLUTION IS TO BE VERY CLEAR AND SPECIFY WHAT CAN TRIGGER SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION PROCESS, AND THAT THERE'S A VERY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE

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SECOND VIOLATION WITHIN FIVE YEARS, IT'S TEN DAYS SUSPENSION. THIRD VIOLATION WOULD BE 14 DAYS AND A $1,000 FINE. AND THEN A FOURTH VIOLATION IS TO REVOKE YOUR CITY ALCOHOL LICENSE, ALL OF THEM FOR THAT PARTICULAR PREMISES. BUT AGAIN, IT'S WITHIN A FIVE YEAR TIME FRAME. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO IN ORDER TO HAVE IT REVOKED, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE FOUR VIOLATIONS WITHIN FIVE YEARS. SO IF YOU ONLY HAD, YOU KNOW, ONE VIOLATION EVERY TWO YEARS, YOU'RE JUST NEVER GOING TO ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT OF GETTING REVOKED. SO IT KIND OF ALLOWS YOU TO KIND OF WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE THINKING THERE, ALONG WITH, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE PAPERWORK ERRORS OF THE TRAINERS? CORRECT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT FOR 2-24-2-20. SO A IT SPELLS OUT. AND FOR THE ALCOHOL, REMEMBER. LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WHEN I DID THAT I ONLY HAD IN THERE THE TIME WHEN YOU HAVE 12 INFRACTIONS THAT THAT CAN TRIGGER REVOCATION, SUSPENSION, NOTHING ELSE IN THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SPELLS OUT EACH INDIVIDUAL PART OF OUR ORDINANCE. AGAIN, LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT WE DO IT ONCE. OKAY. THIS MADE ME THINK THAT WAS TRUE. YEAH. THE ONLY ONE IN OF CHAPTER OR OF SECTION 19, WHICH IS ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING IS SUBSECTION C FOR WHICH IS THE. 12 VIOLATIONS OR MORE WITHIN A PERIOD OF 18 MONTHS FOR THE ALCOHOL SERVER. SO THAT'S CORRECT. SO I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS PREVIOUSLY. OKAY. RELATEDLY, OUR ORDINANCE WAS PRETTY LIGHT ON THE APPEALS PROCESS. AND HAVING COME FROM THE COURT OF APPEALS OR HAVING CLERKED THERE, I'M KIND OF A APPEALS NUT. AND SO THROUGHOUT THE STATUTE, YOU'LL SEE NOW IT'S PEPPERED WITH AND APPEALS PROCESS FOR WHEN YOU WHEN THE TWO THINGS HAPPEN, RIGHT. WE MADE IT SO THAT THE DECISIONS TO SUSPEND OR REVOKE. OR JUST TO DENY OR APPROVE IS MADE BY THE CITY CLERK NOW. BUT THE DECISION CAN BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL. AND YOUR REVIEW IS LIMITED TO WHETHER SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THE FACTUAL FINDINGS OF THE CLERK, AND THEN WHETHER THE AS A MATTER OF LAW, BASED ON THOSE FACTUAL FINDINGS, THE DECISION WAS CORRECT. AND SO YOU'LL SEE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE. SO THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF DETAILED. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS IN DETAIL, BUT THESE ARE THE CODE SECTIONS THAT ARE THERE IN YOUR PACKETS FOR THE DETAILS OF WHAT WHERE EACH SECTION IS THAT DOES WHAT. SO YOU SEE HERE THERE'S THE SECTION. THE FIRST SECTION IS FOR FOR AN ALCOHOL LICENSE, THE CLERK HAS AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OR DENY. AND THEN HERE'S HOW IT GETS APPEALED. AND THEN HERE'S THE DECISION. YOU KNOW, CLERK GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER TO SUSPEND OR REVOKE. IT CAN ALSO BE APPEALED. THOSE SECTIONS ARE THERE FOR YOU. SAME WITH ALCOHOL CATERING PERMIT. SAME WITH THE CHARITABLE EVENT PERMIT. THE APPEALS PROCESS FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AGAIN, THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, THIS IS WHERE IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY PARK OR A CLOSED PUBLIC STREET. THE CLERK SIMILAR TO THE OTHERS, THE CLERK DECIDES WHETHER TO APPROVE OR DENY DENIAL OR REVOCATION CAN BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT. AND MAYBE I NEED TO GO AND REVISE THIS. CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO REVOCATION PROCESS FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT EXCEPT FOR THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, THE FIRE CHIEF, OR THE CHIEF OF POLICE AS THEY SEE A VIOLATION ONGOING DURING AN EVENT, THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY TERMINATE TERMINATE THE EVENT. AND OUR CODE CURRENTLY PROVIDES THAT.

THERE'S NO APPEAL FROM THAT. OKAY. BUT HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP. HAVING A CLEAR APPEALS PROCESS WILL ALLOW IT JUST TO HELP EVERYBODY, THE APPLICANTS AS WELL AS THE CITY. JUST SOME.

YEAH. CAN WE GO BACK? YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE FIRE CHIEF, POLICE CHIEF AND THE DIRECTOR OR DESIGNEE MAYBE. OH, SO THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDED UNDER. IT'S ONE OF THE

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BUT THAT'S IN ANOTHER PART OF OUR OF OUR CODE THAT AUTOMATICALLY SAYS, IF THERE'S A DIRECTOR THAT INCLUDES AUTHORIZED DESIGNEES, BASICALLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST JUST PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF MINOR CHANGES. I WENT THROUGH THE STATE CODE. I REVIEWED STATE CODE, TRIED TO MAKE IT IN COMPLIANCE. SOMETIMES WE HAD DUPLICATIVE THINGS WHERE WE WERE PENALIZING THE EXACT SAME THING THE STATE CODE WAS. AND I WAS LIKE, THERE'S NO POINT IN THAT. AND SO I REMOVED THOSE OR SOMETIMES ADDED THINGS. AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES. WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME AT THIS MEETING TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. THANKS.

COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS, HOW MANY HOURS DID YOU SPEND REVISING THIS THING? PROBABLY.

PROBABLY AT 20 HOURS, 25. NOT AS MANY HOURS AS YOU DID. YEAH. SO SOME OF THE SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES FOR PERMITS OR SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS, AGAIN, THAT'S FOR WHEN IT'S AT CITY OWNED PROPERTY, WE CHANGED IT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE LIQUOR AT MEMORIAL DRIVE PLAZA AND ANY CLOSED PUBLIC STREETS. ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WE MADE IS TO GIVE THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AUTHORITY TO COMPEL PRODUCTION OF CERTAIN ITEMS, SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING VIDEO SURVEILLANCE. SO IF WE HAVE AN ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE HAVE A CRIME THAT'S RELATED. AND THEY SAID, HEY, WE LEFT FROM THIS BAR. WE WOULD JUST LIKE THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THEY LEFT AND GET THEM.

OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE FOR THE ORDINANCE TODAY, JUNE 1ST, IS THE WE'RE PRESENTING IT TO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, JUNE 2ND THROUGH THE 21ST WILL BE PUBLIC OUTREACH. I KNOW OUR CHIEF OF STAFF, MARGARET WINBURN, WIMBORNE, AND OTHERS IN OUR IN OUR CITY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SETTING UP TIMES TO MEET WITH THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH DIRECTOR. MARGARET. YES. AND THEN COUNCILMAN FRANCIS HAS REALLY BEEN LEADING THAT EFFORT AND IS GOING TO DO SOME WORK WITH CHIEF JOHNSON, SORT OF COLLABORATIVELY GOING TO MEET WITH DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS, ESPECIALLY. YEAH. AND THAT ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO GIVE GOOD FEEDBACK ON ON THIS ORDINANCE. JUNE 22ND, IT'S ANTICIPATED WE'LL HAVE A SECOND WORK SESSION TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC FEEDBACK OR CHANGE ANY OTHER THINKING, OTHER CHANGES THAT COUNCIL SEES FIT. AND THEN TENTATIVE DATE OF JULY 9TH FOR WHETHER TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ALCOHOL ORDINANCE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

WE KIND OF WENT BACK QUICKLY BACK TO THE NONPROFIT. SO IF I READ THIS RIGHT, A NONPROFIT COULD PURCHASE THEIR OWN ALCOHOL SEALED KEG AND SEALED BOTTLES OF WINE AND SERVE IT THEMSELVES UNDER TWO HOURS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PERMIT. OR DID THEY APPLY FOR A CATERING PERMIT EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE A LICENSE TO GET A CATERING? NO, THEY COULD THEY COULD GET A CHARITABLE EVENT PERMIT. OKAY. IF THEY QUALIFY, IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

YOU KNOW, THEY DONATE THE PROCEEDS TO A FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO A MUSEUM, IF FOR ITSELF IT PURCHASES ITS WINE OR WHATEVER FROM A DISTRIBUTOR AND DOESN'T OPEN IT UNTIL THE EVENT, AND THEY DO THE SERVING THEMSELVES, THEY DON'T NEED A CATERING PERMIT. THEY DON'T NEED ANY. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY, THEY GET THEY GET A CHARITABLE EVENT, CHARITABLE. IF THEY GET A CHARITABLE EVENT PERMIT. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY CAN, OKAY. THEY CAN DO THAT THEMSELVES.

AND AS FAR AS THE TWO HOUR THING, THAT ONLY IF IT'S OVER TWO HOURS, WHAT THAT WOULD TRIGGER IS A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A PERSON WITH ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING. RIGHT. OKAY.

OKAY. THERE ARE NONPROFITS THAT DO HIRE A CATERER AND WE WILL DO THE PERMIT FOR THEM. AND IN THAT CASE, THE CATERER APPLIES FOR THAT LOCATION. CORRECT. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. BUT PLEASE. AND I'M OPEN TO IF IF COUNCIL AT THIS MEETING WANTS TO MAKE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, I'M HAPPY TO TO TAKE THOSE AND THEN MAKE THOSE CHANGES SO THAT WHEN WE GO TO THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE'LL TRY TO GET WORKING ON THOSE QUICKLY, OF COURSE. OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO LET IT PERCOLATE AND THINK ABOUT IT. AND THEN AT JUNE 22ND, THEN YOU COME WITH PROPOSALS. AND AGAIN, MY OFFICE IS OPEN.

IF ANY OF YOU HAVE CHANGES YOU'D LIKE, PLEASE SEE ME AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. AT THIS

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IT ALREADY IS TIPS. AND THERE'S ALL THESE TRAININGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN FROM AN INSURANCE STANDPOINT. I THINK WE'RE CREATING $120,000 ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN, KIND OF TO HAVE A FULL TIME PERSON TO FIGURE OUT 2000 SERVERS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF. AND IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AND PEOPLE, THEY'RE AT RISK LOSING THEIR LICENSES IF THESE BARTENDERS DON'T ALREADY DO THIS. THESE BARTENDERS HAVE TO NOT OVERSERVE. AND SO THAT ONE, JUST TO ME SEEMS CLEAR THAT WE WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT. OKAY. CAN WE HAVE CHIEF JOHNSON ADDRESS THAT ONE? BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE SERVER TRAINING ACTUALLY HAS BEEN WORKING, PARTICULARLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I THINK THE OVERSERVING IS PART OF THE GENESIS OF THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. YEAH. SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD TO MAKE MULTIPLE CASES ON LOCAL BARTENDERS FOR OUR SERVICE. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL MORE CASES FOR CRIMINAL CASES ON OUR SERVICE. THE IDEA BEHIND THE SERVER TRAINING IS TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO WHEN A. WHEN WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY TALKED ABOUT THE COMPELLING OF OF VIDEO OR SURVEILLANCE VIDEO, A LOT OF THAT, THAT VIDEO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING AFTER IS WE HAVE A DUI CRASH OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. WHERE, WHERE DID YOU COME FROM? THEY'LL SAY IT WAS A PARTICULAR DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT. WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE VIDEO FOR THAT.

SOME SERVERS HAVE BEEN TERMINATED, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE ISN'T A HUGE PROBLEM IN IDAHO FALLS WITH SERVERS. OVERSERVING THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM IN IDAHO FALLS WITH SERVERS. OVERSERVING WITH. WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS ORDINANCE FORTH, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, AND WE'VE SEEN BETTER COMPLIANCE WITH OVERSERVING HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THAT? I THINK IF WE DECIDED TO TAKE THAT OUT, WE'D GO RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE. AND THAT'S THE SEX ASSAULTS, THE FIGHTS IN THE STREET, VANDALISM, THE URINATION IN PUBLIC. THIS IS THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. THE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IS I'VE CALLED BOISE BARS AND I'VE TALKED TO OWNERS HERE IN TOWN, HAVE TALKED TO BOISE, AND THEY SAID THAT THIS DID NOT HAVE ANY LIKE MEANINGFUL. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME STUDIES WHERE THIS. BECAUSE INSURANCE AGENCIES DID THIS, I TRIED TO LOOK UP TO SEE IF OVERSERVING TRAINING HAS ANY IMPACT ON, ON SEX CRIMES OR SEXUAL ASSAULTS. IT SAYS THAT THE EVIDENCE IS WEAK AT ALL. AND SO YOU MIGHT SAY THAT ANECDOTALLY, BUT HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? AND THEN WE'RE ADDING A FULL TIME POSITION AND A REGULATORY ON ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES. AND WE JUST 75% TURN RATE ON SERVERS IN DOWNTOWN, IN THESE BARS AND IN ANY SERVICE ACTIVITY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO FIND WAYS THAT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE COULD ENCOURAGE THIS AND MAYBE DO IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN THEY'RE UP FOR RENEWAL, THEY SHOW US THEIR RECORDS. BUT BECAUSE I'M NOT AGAINST TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT DOING IT THIS WAY WITH MANAGING 2000 EXPIRATIONS IN AN OFFICE, LIKE THAT'S CRAZINESS TO ME IN TERMS OF REGULATORY. AND ULTIMATELY WE'LL DO WHATEVER COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO DO. I THINK AS WE TALKED TO BOISE, I'LL FORWARD YOU THE THE DATA FROM BOISE. I THINK I'VE HEARD THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT, FRANCIS AND BRANDON, THEY DROVE BY COUNCIL, HAD THE SAME QUESTION. AND, YOU KNOW,

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I'M NOT NEW AT THIS. I'VE DONE THIS IN A FEW STATES NOW. RIGHT? AND I'VE DONE PARK CLOSINGS ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND IT'S JUST INHERENT IN THE NATURE OF ALCOHOL. IF YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DRINKING, THERE'S THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN CONNECTION WITH THAT. AND SO BAR CLOSING IS NO SHOCK ME. LIKE IT WOULD MAYBE A GENERAL CITIZEN THAT WATCHED IT. I'VE SEEN ENOUGH OF THEM. THE ONE THAT GOT ME WAS WHEN THERE WERE SEVEN FIGHTS WITHIN TEN MINUTES, ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM HERE, INCLUDING A GUY THAT KICKED ONE OF MY OFFICERS IN THE HEAD. AND IT IS A PROBLEM IN IDAHO FALLS. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT BOISE WAS DOING, NOW BOISE HAS THE ANSWER TO EVERY QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY DO. BUT BUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH THE SERVER TRAINING IN TALKING TO THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT, LOOKING AT THEIR DATA, THEY HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. I THINK YOU CAN GO TO DOWNTOWN BOISE. I THINK YOU GO TO BOISE. I THINK YOU CAN GET A DRINK. I THINK YOU'D STILL HAVE A GOOD TIME. I THINK THE ECONOMY WORKS REALLY WELL, BUT IT'S MITIGATING THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO COME DOWNTOWN AND GET A DRINK IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET PUNCHED AND SPIT ON, AND PEOPLE ARE PEEING IN THE BACK ALLEY AND VOMITING IN THE FRONT WALKWAY, AND WE SEE CASE AFTER CASE AFTER CASE HERE IN IDAHO FALLS, BECAUSE WE WERE NOT REQUIRING SERVER TRAINING. THE THEY WERE OVERSERVING. SO WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK? BECAUSE WHEN I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE OWNERS, THEY SAID THAT THEY WENT TO THE TRAINING THAT WAS OFFERED AND SAID IT WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY'D BEEN REQUIRING THEIR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE ALL ALONG. IF THAT IS THE CASE. AND WHAT WE TOLD THEM IS WE BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THEM WILL ALREADY BE IN COMPLIANCE. SO IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING IT, IT WOULDN'T BE A HUGE BURDEN THEN TO CONTINUE DOING IF THAT'S THE TREND ALREADY DOING. BUT THE BURDEN IN KEEPING TRACK, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. AND THE OWNERS THAT I TALK TO ARE LIKE, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN JUST GO TO AMMON. LIKE WE ARE UNIQUE IN THAT. IN TERMS OF BOISE, IT'S WE'RE SO SMALL THAT THEY'LL JUST GO ACROSS THE BORDER AND OPEN ANOTHER. AND WE'VE BUILT SOMETHING REALLY COOL DOWNTOWN.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S BEEN PROBLEMATIC AT TIMES AS WELL, BUT IT'S ALSO REALLY MADE A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE FOR US AS A CITY. WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE KIND OF CONNECTION OF BARS AND THE THINGS TO DO DOWNTOWN? THERE'S THERE'S BEEN SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THAT, THOUGH.

WE'VE WE'VE HAD TO SHUT DOWN BARS BECAUSE WE HAD MASSIVE GUNFIGHTS. I THINK THE BIGGEST GUNFIGHT I'VE SEEN IN AN URBAN SETTING HAPPENED IN IDAHO FALLS AT THE OLD HURRICANE BAR. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST GUNFIGHTS. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 30 PLUS ROUNDS BEING THROWN BACK AND FORTH. IT WAS A MIRACLE WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL SORTS OF DEAD PEOPLE. AND THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR HAS FOLLOWED OTHER PARTICULAR BARS. SO WHEN, WHEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, I WILL I WILL COMPARE IT TO DRIVING LAWS, YOU KNOW. IN ORDER TO DRIVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE. IT'S A HIGHLY REGULATED ACTIVITY. YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND DRIVE.

YOU HAVE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE. THERE'S A TEST YOU HAVE TO TAKE TO GET A LICENSE. THERE'S TRAINING YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO TO GET THAT LICENSE. YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO SAY, EVERYBODY GO AHEAD AND AND, YOU KNOW. WE HOPE YOU DON'T RUN A RED LIGHT, BUT PLEASE DON'T DO IT. YOU WOULD YOU WOULD END UP WITH MOST PEOPLE COMPLYING. THAT'S NOT A VALID COMPARISON BECAUSE WE ARE WE ARE ALREADY HAVE BARTENDERS THAT CAN LOSE NOT ONLY EVERYTHING, BUT THEY CAN BE SUED IF THEY SUE AND GET A DUI BECAUSE OF THEIR OVERPERFORMING. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE. WE'RE NOT SAYING TO GO TO NOTHING AND JUST ALLOW ANYTHING. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS KEEP DOING WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN DOING. I'M SUGGESTING WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN DOING WAS NOT WORKING. I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE DO SOMETHING LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WITH LESS REGULATORY EFFORT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE THE MIDDLE

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THAT IS CORRECT. BUT WE WON'T BE TRACKING THEIR SERVER TRAINING, LIKE THROUGH OUR CLERK. NO, WE IT'S ONLY THE PERMITTING OF THE CATERER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TRACKING THOUSANDS OF SERVERS BECAUSE THAT WAS, OH, WE CHANGED THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT I MEAN, THAT WAS MY WHEN I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, I WAS LIKE, NO, NO, NO. AND SO I WAS DOUBLE CHECKING THAT THAT IS MAYBE THAT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING I MISSED. BUT ON THE SLIDE IS THAT THESE PREVIOUSLY, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DID HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE SAYING THEY, THEY PROVIDE TO THE CLERK A LIST OF EVERYBODY THAT'S NO LONGER THERE. ALL IT IS IS A STATEMENT.

IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, ALL IT IS NOW IS A STATEMENT THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH IT. THAT'S GOOD. I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER, WHEN YOU HAD SAID THAT THEN I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT. I WAS LIKE, I KNOW THAT WE HAD THAT. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT REMOVED. SO THE ONLY PERMIT THAT YOU'RE TRACKING IS THE CATERING PERMIT, THE ALCOHOL LICENSE. THOSE ARE NOT THE THE CLERK IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO TRACK INDIVIDUAL SERVER COMPLIANCE. MOST. I WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF SAYING EVERY ALBUM BECAUSE THERE'S. BUT MOST NATIONAL CHAINS ARE ALREADY IN COMPLIANCE WITH IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE. THESE ARE VERY COMMON REGULATIONS ALL OVER. IF ANYONE HAS ENOUGH ASSETS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON TOP OF IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET SUED AND THEY'RE GOING TO. MOST OF OUR LOCAL ESTABLISHMENTS. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THEY'VE ALREADY PROVIDING SIMILAR TRAINING, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE ALREADY BEING COMPLIANT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S ENOUGH NONCOMPLIANCE THAT THAT NOT HAVING IT BE REQUIRED IS A PROBLEM WITH THE ENVIRONMENT DOWNTOWN AND IN OTHER PLACES FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE A NICE BUSINESS MODEL, HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME DOWNTOWN AND COME AND GET A DRINK. YOU DON'T WANT THAT OTHER STUFF HAPPENING. IT WILL HELP PREVENT THAT. COUNCILMEMBER RADFORD, I HOPE THAT THAT WAS THAT REGULATORY PIECE THAT YOU WERE THINKING LIKE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TRACKING ALL OF THE SERVERS AND EVERYONE I'VE TALKED TO HAS NO PROBLEM REQUIRE HAVE THE TRAINING BECAUSE THEY ALREADY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE TRACKING IT. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE. WE DON'T.

YEAH. OKAY. SORRY FOR THAT, MISS. THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT ADDED NO. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THOSE WERE SOME OF THOSE. IT'S BEEN A LONG ORDINANCE. IT'S BEEN LIKE, I'LL FORWARD YOU THE, THE STATS FROM BOISE THAT WERE GENERATED. ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD JUST AS YOU MENTIONED THESE, WOULD YOU MIND SHARING IT WITH THE CLERK? BECAUSE WE'VE MENTIONED IT KIND OF IN THIS PUBLIC SETTING. AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE RECORD OF THE OF THE MEETING, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, EVEN THOUGH. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. OKAY. WELL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OTHERWISE WE WILL SEE THIS IN ITS CURRENT VERSION, JUNE 22ND, WITH POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT EITHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR THE PUBLIC AS WE TAKE THIS FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO IS REALLY COME TOGETHER TO TRY AND. GET SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP HELP THE OFFICERS, HELP THE FIRE, HELP THE RESIDENTS, REALLY HAVE AN ENJOYABLE TIME DOWN BOTH DOWNTOWN AND IN THE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENT. WE DO HAVE I WANT TO PUSH THROUGH, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE MAYBE JUST A FEW MINUTE BREAK. THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE ERP STATUS, A COUPLE OF QUICK MINUTES ON THE CITYWIDE UPDATE AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. SO WE'LL JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, AND WE'LL BE BACK AT OH, THERE WE GO NOW THANK YOU FOR BEING MINDFUL

[Mayor’s Office ]

[02:15:04]

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ERP PROJECT TEAM JUST THROUGH THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION. WE MEET WITH THE TEAM ABOUT ONCE A MONTH TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH ISSUES. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AFTER MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF OF A LOT OF HARD WORK AND PLANNING, WE ARE ON THE COUNTDOWN TO GOING LIVE WITH OUR NEW ERP SYSTEM WORKDAY. SO WE WANTED TO TAKE JUST A FEW MINUTES TODAY TO JUST PROVIDE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT EMPLOYEES CAN EXPECT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, AND ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF SORT OF HOW THIS WAS GOING TO PROGRESS OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. SO MARK HAGEDORN, OUR TREASURER, IS ALSO THE PROJECT LEAD FOR OUR ERP TEAM. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE HIM TAKE JUST A MINUTE OR TWO TO KIND OF PROVIDE THE OVERVIEW, AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF WORK THROUGH THESE THESE QUICK SLIDES. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS. THE CITY'S ELECTED TO GO WITH UPGRADING ITS FINANCIAL AND HR SYSTEM. I SAY UPGRADE HR, BUT REALLY THIS IS OUR NEW FIRST TIME INTEGRATED HR SYSTEM WITH FINANCE, WHERE HR HAD MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SOFTWARES TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR TASKS. AND SO THIS UPGRADE IS TO UPGRADE THE LEGACY SYSTEM, WHICH IS OVER 26 YEARS OLD, AND MEETING IT WAS END OF LIFE. AND, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH ALL THE DECISIONS DAILY TO TRY AND GET THIS EFFECTIVE AND OPERATIONAL COMING HERE IN TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY ON THE HR SIDE. AND THEN THE FINANCIAL SIDE WILL GO LIVE AND 1ST OF JULY. SO OUR FIRST SLIDE, IT KIND OF GIVES US THAT GO LIVE COUNTDOWN, THE CUT OVER THE CUT OVER DATES OR SORT OF THE CUT OVER PLANNING WILL BEGIN TODAY IN OUR SLIDES ARE NOT. BUT SO OUR CUT OVER PLANNING STARTS TODAY. AND THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE SOME BLACKOUT DATES. AND I DID PROVIDE ANOTHER HANDOUT THAT SORT OF SHOWS THOSE CUT OVER, YOU KNOW, DURING CERTAIN PERIODS. WE WANT TO TRY AND LIMIT THE HIRING AND PROMOTIONS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO UPDATE AND FINALIZE THE INFORMATION IN THE NEW SYSTEM.

WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME BLACKOUT DATES FOR PURCHASING AND SORT OF STEP BY STEP DIRECTIONS ON THAT. WE DO, WE DO HAVE SORT OF OTHER MECHANISMS. IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY AND A DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO, TO PURCHASE SOMETHING, WE DO HAVE SOME SOME KIND OF WORKAROUNDS, BUT WE'VE BEEN SHARING THESE WITH STAFF FOR ABOUT A MONTH OR SO NOW JUST TO TRY AND HELP THEM TO PLAN. AND THEN AS MARK SAID ON JUNE 14TH, THE HR SIDE OF THE SYSTEM WILL GO LIVE. AND THEN ON JULY 1ST, THE FINANCE PART OF THE SYSTEM WILL GO LIVE. SO OUR NEXT SLIDE GIVES YOU JUST KIND OF A QUICK VIEW OF WHAT'S CHANGING FOR EMPLOYEES. AND MARK'S GOING TO WALK THROUGH THAT ONE FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO. THERE'S A LOT CHANGING. AND SO INFORMATION IS MORE READILY AVAILABLE. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THEIR JOB, THE JOB POSITION, THE ORG CHARTS EMBEDDED IN IN THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. YOU'LL HAVE WE'LL HAVE PICTURES THERE. SO YOU CAN SEE EMPLOYEES. EMPLOYEES WILL BE ABLE TO UPDATE AND CHANGE ALL THEIR ELECTIONS WITHIN THE SYSTEM. THERE'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE PAPER FORMS. IT'S ALL DIGITAL, ALL THE THE TIME OFF REQUESTS, EVERYTHING'S ALL IN ONE SYSTEM. WE ARE CONSOLIDATING SYSTEMS INTO ONE. AND SO A LOT OF THESE LEGACY SYSTEMS WILL BE GOING AWAY. THERE'S GOING TO BE A TASK BASKET AND AN INBOX FOR PEOPLE TO COMPLETE TASKS AND KNOW WHAT THEIR WORKLOAD IS FOR THAT DAY. AND EVERYTHING'S ALL SEARCHABLE WITHIN THE SYSTEM. AND YOU CAN JUMP FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER WITHOUT HAVING TO EXIT AND COME BACK IN. SO IT IS A HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL, INTEGRATED SYSTEM. AND FOR EMPLOYEES, A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN READILY AVAILABLE, BUT THEY ARE NOW THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GO IN AND MAKE SOME OF THEIR OWN CHANGES, RATHER THAN HAVING TO, TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THAT WITH HR. SO FOR MANAGERS, THEY WILL SEE ALL OF THOSE SAME CHANGES THAT EMPLOYEES WILL SEE.

BUT THEN IN ADDITION, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TO DO. AND AGAIN, MARK CAN KIND OF RUN THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY. YEAH. SO FOR MANAGERS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO

[02:20:01]

BUT WE'RE ALSO SETTING UP SORT OF SOME Q&A SESSIONS WITH DEPARTMENTS TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. THE WEEK OF JUNE 15TH, WE WILL START THE FINANCE PARTS OF THE TRAINING. SO WE GIVE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES. THEY'LL HAVE AN OVERVIEW, FINANCE, FOUNDATIONS, AND THEN ALSO SOME PURCHASING TRAINING. AND THEN THE WEEK OF JUNE 22ND, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL FINANCE TRAINING DEPENDING ON ROLES THAT'S MORE SPECIALIZED. AND THEN WE DO HAVE WE WILL HAVE ONGOING SUPPORT. WE'RE CREATING AN ONLINE RESOURCE CENTER THAT WILL INCLUDE SOME VIDEOS THAT WILL COVER THESE, THESE TRAINING SESSIONS, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN OUR RESOURCE CENTER. AND THEN WE ARE CREATING SOME DIFFERENT IN-PERSON SUPPORT SYSTEMS TO HELP EMPLOYEES AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS TRANSITION. ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES FOR EMPLOYEES IS THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HAVE AN EMAIL ADDRESS. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE A FEW HUNDRED EMPLOYEES, MOSTLY SEASONALS IN DEPARTMENTS LIKE PARKS AND REC THAT DO NOT HAVE NOT HAD EMAILS. FOR THE LAST 2 TO 3 WEEKS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO SET UP EMAILS FOR ALL OF THOSE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU DO NEED AN EMAIL TO ACCESS THE THE SYSTEM TO ENTER YOUR TIME TO DO ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. MARK ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD ON THE TRAINING PIECE? IT'S A LOT OF TRAINING IN THE MONTH OF JUNE, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT EMPLOYEES AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO LEARN THEIR JOB 100% DAY ONE, THAT THEY'LL BE TRAINED BEYOND THE MONTH OF JUNE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND CAN DO THEIR REQUIRED JOB FUNCTIONS. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE'LL BE OFFERING OUR EMPLOYEES SUPPORT. AND THEN EVEN AFTER WE GO LIVE, WE ARE STARTING TO WORK WITH STRATA WHO'S BEEN HELPING US WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION ON SORT OF SOME ONGOING SUPPORT AND NEXT, NEXT STEPS. BECAUSE AS MARK SAID, THE BEGINNING IS JUST SORT OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM. AND THEN IT'S A MATTER OF SORT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN UTILIZE AND LEVERAGE SOME OF THE ADVANCED FEATURES AND IN THE SYSTEM. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT SUPPORT AVAILABLE IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS. WE ALSO HAVE A GROUP OF EMPLOYEES, REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS IN A TEAM CALLED CHANGE CHAMPIONS.

THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW, GETTING KIND OF A SNEAK PEEK IN THE SYSTEM, AND THEN ALSO SHARING INFORMATION WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENTS. A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT CHANGE MANAGEMENT, HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW TO GET INTO THIS SYSTEM AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE SYSTEM. THAT TEAM HAS BEEN FANTASTIC AND SORT OF

[02:25:04]

AND THEN THERE'S 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT KINDS OF TESTING THAT HAS TO BE DONE. AND IT'S BEEN VERY CHALLENGING AT TIMES TO DO THEIR WORK OF THE DAY, PLUS THE PROJECT RESPONSIBILITIES. AND THEY'VE JUST DONE A WONDERFUL JOB. BUT THERE IS A BIG PUSH BEFORE THAT. IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE WE GO, GO LIVE. THANKS, MARGARET. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THIS HAS BEEN A TRULY A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR THE CITY COMES TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY TO WORK ON SOMETHING AS A COMPLETE UNIT, AND IT'S BEEN GOOD TO SEE. I WAS I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE IN JUST WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND THEY. I THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID. YOU BOTH CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I THINK THEY SAID THIS IS AS WELL AS ANY OTHER IMPLEMENTATION TO THIS POINT THAT THEY'VE SEEN AND THAT THEY WOULD USE THIS EVEN AS A MODEL, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD OF HOW WE, YOU KNOW, HAD LAID OUT THE STEP BY STEP PROCESS AND WE MET TARGET GOALS. AND THEN WE HAD THE NEXT STEP OF GOALS. AND, AND THEY WERE INCREDIBLY. THEIR EXPRESSION OF AWE WAS A LITTLE LIKE, OH, WOW. YEAH, THIS WOULD THIS, THEY REALLY DID LAY IT OUT. WELL, THAT WHAT OUR TEAM HAS DONE. AND SO IT IS GOOD LUCK. WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE BUMPS IN THE ROAD. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE BUMPS IN THE ROAD, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE LAID IT OUT AS WELL AS THEY'VE EVER SEEN IT LAID OUT. WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME BUMPS, SO WE WE'RE PREPARED FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. MARK, CAN WE GO BACK A SLIDE? WHAT'S CASE. CASE IS A TICKETING SYSTEM WITHIN IT THAT TRACKS WHEN YOU HAVE AN ISSUE THE LOG IN THE SYSTEM, IT'LL PUT DEADLINES ON IT AND RESPONSE TIMES SO THAT THEY GET RESPONDED TO BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE RESOLVED ON THE PHONE CALL AT THAT MOMENT.

OKAY. BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH IT TO KIND OF DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN REGULAR IT ISSUES AND THEN WORK DAY IT ISSUES. I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN ACRONYM. IT'S JUST THEY JUST SAY CASE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A CASE. IT'S LIKE IT'S A NAME, IT'S A NAME BRAND. SO THE CASE IS THE NAME OF THE SYSTEM.

OKAY. LIKE CENTURYLINK'S DOWN THE LINE WORKDAY. OKAY. AND I ACTUALLY CALLED THAT OUT TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S THE IT TICKETING SYSTEM. I'VE NEVER REALLY LOOKED AT THE ACTUAL NAME, BUT THE ACTUAL NAME IS OKAY. MARK POINTED OUT TO ME. OKAY, GREAT. YES, OF COURSE I KNOW. MY POINT IS THE I THINK I KNOW THE UTILITIES BILLING, PEACE BUILDING, WORK MANAGEMENT.

ONCE WE COMPLETE THIS SYSTEM, WE ARE THEN MOVING ON TO LOOK AT OUR BILLING SYSTEM, AND THERE'LL BE A SEPARATE RFP PROCESS THAT WILL KICK OFF PROBABLY THIS SUMMER. BUT IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT. BUT THERE ARE THIS FRY POINTS FRY MOBILE PIECE HAS TO DO WITH ASPECTS OF. MARK CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I. IT'S BASICALLY A WORK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WHERE IT ASSIGNS TASKS TO LIKE BUILDING MAINTENANCE OR POWER OR WATER ABOUT WHAT TASKS THEY NEED TO COMPLETE FOR THAT DAY OUT IN THE FIELD. SO IT PULLS INVENTORY APPRAISAL ALL TOGETHER AND IT CAN SIGN INTO THEIR TIME. THEY ARE POTENTIALLY ONE OF THEM THAT THEY WOULD RESPOND TO THE RFP. YEAH, BUT BUT WE HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT ONE AS A. YEAH. SO MAYBE THAT IS PART OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY

[City Council, Mayor ]

[02:30:04]

IT COULD BE A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS. BUT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, POLLS FOR IDAHO FALLS POWER, IT WOULD BE ON CONSENT. THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS READ INTO THE RECORD AS PART OF THE READING OF THE RECORD, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, PURCHASE OF IDAHO FALLS POWER POLES, 1 MILLION WHATEVER TO THIS AND READ THEM TO THE CONTRACTORS AS WELL. IF COUNCIL WANTS CLARIFICATION FROM A DIRECTOR, WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS, WANTS MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT IS ON CONSENT, WE WILL JUST CALL UP THE DIRECTOR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF OF CONSENT. IT'S SIMPLY I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS DIRECTOR COME AND TALK ABOUT CONSENT. THE REASON YOU WOULD PULL IT OFF, CONSENT IF YOU INTEND TO TABLE IT OR VOTE NO. THAT WAY. THAT WAY IT'S OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND THEN THERE CAN BE DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT WOULD BE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BOMB THE WHOLE CONSENT AGENDA. YOU DON'T KNOW ON THIS ONE THING, CORRECT. ON THIS ONE THING. YOU JUST IT DOESN'T TAKE A FIRST AND A SECOND. ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN PULL ANYTHING OFF. BUT THIS WOULD BE THAT REGARDLESS OF DOLLAR AMOUNT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHETHER IT IS ROUTINE OR REPLACEMENT. WE HAD SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT ROUTINE, EVEN IF THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE PACKET ABOUT IT, IT WOULDN'T BE ON CONSENT. BUT ROUTINE REPLACEMENT OF THINGS READ INTO THE RECORD CONVERSATION AROUND IT CAN STILL HAPPEN. YOU WOULDN'T PULL IT OFF UNLESS YOU PLANNED ON TABLING IT OR VOTING NO. I THINK THAT'S A KEY PIECE, BECAUSE I'M NOT USED TO ASKING A DIRECTOR ON CONSENT. YES, THAT'S FOR ME, NEW. SO GOOD. SO THEN YOU CAN ASK ANY ANY YOU'VE DONE INFORMATION AND SORT OF SET A PRECEDENT WHICH HELPED THIS COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD INCLUDE THIS IN OUR. AGENDA JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS KIND OF OPERATING FROM THAT SAME UNDERSTANDING. COUNCIL MEMBER LARSEN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT? THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE. WHAT ARE WE MISSING? WHAT IS YOUR. I JUST SCHEDULED SOMETHING PRIVATELY AT HOME WORKS. NOT BASED ON THE AGENDA. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY.

I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THE STAFF INFIRMARIES ANY LONGER, THOUGH. I HAVE TO MAKE SENSE. OKAY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, REPLACEMENT IN WHAT IS IN, WHAT IS READ IN OR WHAT IS IN CONSENT, DOES IT SAY THAT THIS IS REPLACEMENT OR IT'S IN THE EXISTING BUDGET OR SOMETHING THAT JUST SHOWS THAT BASICALLY IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED? YEAH. AND AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, I'M THINKING ABOUT. YEAH, USUALLY IT SAYS THIS IS TO REPLACE A UNIT. SO AND SO THAT'S IT REACHED INTO BLOOD. YES. AS PART OF THAT MEMO. AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE WILL MAKE, YOU KNOW, CLEAR AS WE TALK THROUGH THE DIRECTORS THAT, OKAY, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING THIS ON CONSENT, MAKE SURE THAT YOU INCLUDE THAT THIS IS THE ROUTINE PURCHASE, THE REPLACEMENT PURCHASE, SO THAT THOSE ARE, ARE THE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. YEAH. ALREADY, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN WHEREVER SO THAT IT ISN'T JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. WE CAN TRAIN THE DIRECTORS, THEY CAN TRAIN US AND WE CAN MOVE THAT, MOVE THAT THROUGH THAT WE JUST HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE. I GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO VOTE NO. WE COULD THINK, MAYBE I'M GOING TO VOTE NO, BUT AFTER A DISCUSSION. CORRECT, CORRECT. IF YOU IF YOU THINK THAT THERE IS A IF IT IS JUST NOT A CLEAR. YES, I WILL PLAN ON VOTING YES ON CONSENT. NO. AND IF YOU HAVE A DIRECTOR COME UP AND YOU HEAR THE INFORMATION AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN SAY, I WANT TO PULL THIS OFF OF CONSENT. I WANT TO HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE AS WELL. CAN I ASK WHO'S GOING TO AIC NEXT WEEK? I AM GOING THREE OF US. OKAY, OKAY. SOMEONE'S GOT TO STAY HERE. SORRY. ONE MORE. SORRY. YOU'RE GOING OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL. EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBER. BEEKMAN. YOU ARE, YOU ARE.

THANK YOU. ENJOY. PUBLIC WORKS TIME AND COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING UP? I JUST BROUGHT IT UP. OKAY. I HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH FUNLAND AND THEIR NEW FOOD, AND IT'S WAY TOO CLOSE TO MY HOUSE. OH, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST WALK OVER WEIRDLY. YOU ALSO GET AN

[02:35:03]

THAT'S GOOD. I'M SORRY I MISSED IT. COUNCIL MEMBER FRIEDMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TODAY FOR US? WELL, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON MY LIST OF FUNLAND BEING OPEN IN THE LOG HUT BEING OPEN. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THE ISLANDS IS GETTING CLOSE TO OPENING THE NEW TORTOISE EXHIBIT. THE WELL, THE ISLAND EXHIBIT. IT'S AN OLD COUNTY BUILDING. YEAH, THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING IT OPEN. WE HAD AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT THE CONVERSION OF SURFACE WATER AND PARKS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONVERTING FREEMAN PARK RIGHT NOW. SOME ISSUES HAVE COME UP THAT YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT SUNNYSIDE PARK WAS KIND OF BURNED UP, AND SO WAS COMMUNITY IN A COUPLE PLACES. AND WE GOT SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. AND PART OF IT IS DUE TO THE NUMBER OF HEADS AND ISSUES WE'RE HAVING WITH MAINLINES BREAKING AND STUFF, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S RELATED TO USING THE WATER OUT OF THE CANAL RATHER THAN USING THE WATER BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS CLEAN, RIGHT? SO IT HAS MORE STUFF IN IT THAT'S INJURING OUR OUR SPRINKLER HEADS AND SO FORTH AND PLUGGING THEM UP. SO. PARKS AND RECS IS LOOKING AND THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FIXES FOR IT AS FAR AS BETTER FILTERING SYSTEMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S GOING TO COME WITH A COST. BUT ANYWAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOOKING INTO IT. AND IF YOU GET A COMPLAINT FROM SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE ISSUE, ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THEY'RE HAVING WITH THE SURFACE WATER THING IS LIKE A COMMUNITY PARK, PARTICULARLY AS THEY'RE LIMITED BY THE ACREAGE ON HOW MUCH WATER THEY CAN DRAW. AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE TO WATER. WE'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE WATERING DURING THE DAY, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT JUST THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THE WHOLE PARK WATERED IN THE, WITH THE, WITH THE GALLONS THAT THEY CAN DRAW. SO THEY HAVE TO WATER PRETTY MUCH 24 HOURS A DAY, RIGHT? OR AT LEAST 20 HOURS A DAY. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN EXPLANATION FOR THE FOR THE PUBLIC ON THAT TOO, WHY THE SPRINKLERS ARE RUNNING DURING THE DAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT AS EFFICIENT, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT IT EVAPORATES MORE IF YOU'RE WATERING IN THE HEAT OF THE DAY. BUT THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAD. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAD. COUNCIL, I WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY AS WELL THAT THIS IS A CITY WIDE PROJECT. IT'S NOT JUST A PARKS PROJECT, IT'S CONSERVATION OF WATER. AND SO IT IS PART OF OUR WATER DEPARTMENT. SO I THINK IF IF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRANSITIONED TO THE NEW SURFACE WATER, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PARKS, IT'S ABOUT OUR WATER DEPARTMENT. THERE IS ALSO OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR WATER DEPARTMENT TO HELP WITH THE SOLUTIONS AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT SET ASIDE FOR SPRINKLER HEAD REPLACEMENT AS WELL. THEY'RE NOT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WELLS. THEY REPLACED 100 HEADS. YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS A COMMUNITY PARK QUICKLY INTO THAT BUDGET. AND THIS IS ABOUT WATER GENERALLY. YEAH. AS OPPOSED TO GREEN GRASS. SO I DO THINK THAT THIS IS ONCE AGAIN, NOT TO THINK ABOUT DEPARTMENTS IN SILOS, BUT TO THINK ABOUT HOLISTICALLY WHAT WE DO AS A CITY AND WHY WE'RE DOING WATER CONVERSION. SO, AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PARKS. SO, SO BACK TO JUST THE WATER CONDITION SITUATION THIS YEAR. SO THERE'S STILL PLANS TO PUT OUT. SOME. YEAH, THEY'RE TRAINING INFORMATION OR WHATEVER AS FAR AS HOW TO CONSERVE AQUATIC CONSERVE. YES WE ARE. THERE IS STILL SOME OF THAT. AND, AND BEING ABLE TO REALLY IDENTIFY HOW THE CITY IS, IS WORKING AND BEING A LEADER, YOU KNOW, LEADING OUT IN THAT AS OPPOSED TO WAGGING OUR FINGER AT OTHER PEOPLE AND THEN BEING VERY COMPLICIT. BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT AND GET THAT OUT ANY, ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE JEFFERSON CITY. YOU JUST REMINDED ME OF THAT AFTER THAT COMMENT ABOUT OUR SIDEWALK. AND WE ARE STILL THEY ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD, REACHING OUT TO HOMEOWNERS TO, TO TALK INDIVIDUALLY WITH HOMEOWNERS AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, A MUCH BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT PROCESS AND HOW WE WILL ADDRESS IT IN THE FUTURE. WELL, WELL INTO THE FUTURE BEFORE WE SHOW UP AT OUR DOORSTEP AND SEND A THREATENING LETTER AND SEND A THREATENING LETTER. YEAH, ALL OF THAT WILL BE A BIT OF A BALANCE, ISN'T IT? RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T WANT CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GO AND FIX SOME OF THE PLACES THAT NEED FIXED. BUT THAT WAS A REALLY WEIRD BLANKET TENNIS SITUATION THAT WAS DIFFERENT. YEAH. THERE, THERE WILL BE PROCESSES THAT THAT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO USE. LIKE IF THIS IS THE PROCESS WE USE IN POWER, THIS WOULD BE THE PROCESS WE WOULD USE FOR STREETS AND WATER AND SANITATION. SO YES, ALL OF

[02:40:02]

AND, AND LOOK AT IT MOVING FORWARD. OKAY, DON'T BRING THAT BACK. WE'LL DISCUSS THIS, BUT NEXT MONTH. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL. I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AND GIVE YOU SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON WHAT IS BEING COMMUNICATED BACK TO STREET THE STREETS DEPARTMENT. I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING. THERE IS A NEW HOUSING COALITION LED BY ALI RABI. SHE WAS A FORMER STATE SENATOR, AND THEY DID AN ANALYSIS OF STATEWIDE OF ALL ZONING CODES.

AND THEN THEY HAD SPECIFIC CITIES. AND I JUST GOT THAT TODAY. SO I'LL BE I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU AND TO ALL OF US. OKAY. IT WAS AN INTERESTING APPROACH, AND IT HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED ABOUT THE NEW LAW, TWO LAWS THAT WERE PASSED AROUND ADUS AND THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS. AND SO I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING TO ALL OF US.

ONE OF THEM REMINDED ME OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN ADU WAS THERE. NOW WE CAN'T RESTRICT THEM FOR LESS THAN 1000. RIGHT. AND WE CAN'T DO SETBACKS, WHICH WAS A BIG THAT WAS INTERESTING.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REQUIRE SETBACKS. WELL, YOU CAN'T REQUIRE THEM FOR EIGHT YEARS.

YOU CAN'T DO. ANYWAY. THERE'S THOSE TWO LAWS WERE A LOT MORE. THERE'S A LOT MORE IN THEM. AND THAT WE DO HAVE A YEAR TO COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE CITY ZONING. DID WE REDUCE THE THE. YEAH. SETBACKS. IT'S FIVE FEET INSTEAD OF 15 OR WHATEVER WHEN WE DID 20 TO 15, PROBABLY, BUT IT'S LIKE FIVE. IT'S ALL IN A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DID HAVE A SETBACK. WE DO HAVE A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE CITY AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE SEEING AROUND JEFFERSON. THERE'S NEW HOUSES GOING IN THERE AND SO DO LOTS AND THINGS. AND SO BUT THERE'S ALSO SUGGESTIONS IN THIS ABOUT HOW TO HELP BUILD DENSITY WITHOUT BUILDING APARTMENTS. AND WE DID SAY THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE ADUS ABOVE 800, BUT THAT CAP HAS BEEN LIFTED FROM THE STATE STARTING. SO YEAH, BUT THE BIG THING THAT'S ACROSS THE STATE IS LOOKING AT HOW TO DO DENSITY WITH PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND GETTING NOT GETTING RID OF PARKING MINIMUMS, BUT MAKING THEM RIGHT SO THAT SO THAT YOU CAN BUILD A, YOU KNOW, A SMALL HOUSE SOMEWHERE AND NOT HAVE IT BE BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY CONTRACTORS HAVE COME TO ME AND SAID I WOULD DO THAT LOT LIKE THE ONE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SELL BY SERENITY HALL. I THINK THAT ONE WAS IMPACTED BY PARKING. NO ONE IS VERY INTERESTED BECAUSE PARKING RESTRICTIONS. SO COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD, THAT DOES REMIND ME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING A MOVING OUR COUNCIL PRIORITY FROM BEING ON HOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO MAYBE SPECIFIC THINGS WITHIN OUR CODE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, AND FORMING A GROUP OF EXPERT, NOT EXPERTS, BUT CONTENT EXPERTS.

AND THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAVE DIRECTED, DIRECTOR DIRECTOR SANDER TO DO IS PARKING, PARKING MINIMUMS AND LANDSCAPE PARKING. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY. EVERY TIME I DO A GOOD LOOK AT OUR CODE. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME I DRIVE AROUND TO SPORTING GOODS AT THE GRAND TETON MALL AND THAT IT'S A HUGE PART, THERE IS THERE'S 300 PARKING SPOTS OUT THERE, NOT A CAR PARKED IN IT. YEAH. IT'S LIKE THIS BIG ADVISORY HEAT SCENE, RIGHT? NO, I'M NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES ACCORDING TO WHAT? WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. ABSOLUTELY. OR A BUSINESS OWNER, ONE OF THEM WHO WANT WHO IS WILLING TO DO THIS WAS DARREN PETERSON FROM D AND L CLEANERS, RIGHT? I MEAN, HE HAS A BUSINESS, MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. AND SO THEY THEY WOULD BE SPECIFIC ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS KIND OF. BUT WHEN THEY MOVE TO ANOTHER ISSUE, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT. IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SET OF PEOPLE. YES, BUT THIS WOULD BE GETTING INTO OUR CODE AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT THE SUBDIVISION CODE IS WHAT WE WANT. SO YEAH. AND ONE OTHER THING, ANY UPDATES ON OUR.

FARMER'S MARKET? YOU SHOULD KNOW MORE THIS WEEK. OKAY. AND JUST ONE MORE THING I'M GOING TO DO. AS YOU'LL SEE ON SOME OF MY SOCIAL MEDIA, I'M GOING TO DO AN 8 A.M. JUST COMMUNITY WALK STARTING IN FRONT OF REC CENTER ON SATURDAYS FOR A WHILE DURING THE SUMMER. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'M DOING TO TEACH ARCHITECTURE. NOPE. JUST TO WALK THE GREENBELT. JUST JUST WALKING TOGETHER WITH OTHER PEOPLE. JUST ANYTIME WE CAN MOVE. I LOVE THAT IDEA. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED AND I WILL SEE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.