[Call to Order and Roll Call]
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          SO IF WE ARE READY TO CALL THIS. I AM READY. WE ARE READY TO CALL THIS WORK SESSION TOGETHER. 
          I KNOW THAT JOHN RADFORD IS HERE, AND MAYBE JUST IN THE HALLWAY, SO. OKAY, WE WILL WE? I KNOW KURT LARSON IS ON ASSIGNMENT FOR MARCO ERICSSON THIS WEEK IN THE LEGISLATURE, SO THAT IS A I WANT TO THANK KIRK FOR TAKING THAT ROLE THIS WEEK FOR REPRESENTATIVE ERICSSON. IF IF OUR CLERK WILL PLEASE CALL THE ROLL AND THEN WHEN BRANDON LEE COMES, WILL YOU PLEASE JUST NOTE HIS ARRIVAL? YES. COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE, COUNSELOR RADFORD. 
          PRESENT. COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNSELOR. FREEMAN HERE. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. ONE 
          [City Council, Mayor]
ITEM TO NOTE IS, AS WE BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TO OUR TIMELINE PRETTY TIGHT BECAUSE OUR PRESENTATION OF THE GENERAL MANAGER SURVEY IS AT 315, WHICH GIVES US 12 MINUTES. I KNOW THAT THE RECEIPT OF MINUTES IS NOT GOING TO TAKE FIVE MINUTES, BUT IF WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH, STARTING WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS WITH THE CITY WIDE UPDATES, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING EXCEPT MY FRUSTRATION WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATURE, AND IF ANYBODY HAS INDIVIDUAL LETTERS THEY CAN WRITE, IT MAY HELP. IT'S THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE REALLY THREATENING TO OUR NONDISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE, TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS, TO THE WAY THAT ALL OF OUR ALL THE PEOPLE WORKING FOR THE CITY ARE THREATENED BY THAT BILL. SEVEN FOUR, THREE, I BELIEVE, WHICH THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON. THEY THEY HAVEN'T PUT THAT BACK FORWARD, HAVE THEY? THEY HAVE NOT. AS OF FRIDAY I HAD A MEETING AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT JUST IS THE COUNCIL, THEIR ATTEMPT TO REFORM 389 IS IS NOT NOT OUR REFORM AT ALL. SO I WILL EXPRESS MY FRUSTRATIONS. 
          BUT YEAH. WELL AND, AND AS POLICE ARE HERE WHEN IT COMES TO THE. I THINK PERHAPS IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE LETTER TO COME FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT RATHER THAN COUNCIL. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER. I THINK IT WOULD. I THINK IT WOULD CARRY MORE WEIGHT FOR THAT LETTER TO COME FROM OUR DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO, TO BE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SIX THAT'S 659. YEAH. AND THEN THE ONE THAT I THINK SHOULD COME FROM MAYBE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR WHATEVER, IS THE ONE ABOUT THE. AND I'M HAPPY TO SIGN ON TO THAT LETTER FOR, FOR POLICE. I JUST THINK THAT THEIR EXPLANATION. YEAH. NO. YEAH. THE CHIEFS OF POLICE HAS A MAJOR INFLUENCE ON THAT LEGISLATION. THE OTHER ONE IS THE. THE CITY'S BEING ELIGIBLE FOR THE INSURANCE. YES. YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHATEVER IT AFFECTS ON IDAHO FALLS, IT'S FOR ALL THE CITIES TO HAVE THAT OPTION THAT WILL LOWER SOME RATES RADICALLY. AND WE I MEAN, IT WOULD BE FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE LOCKED IN TO THIS ONE FOR THIS YEAR. YEAH. WE WOULD LOOK RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER BRADFORD I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE SECTION OKAY I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DO I. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL THEN. THANK YOU FOR MEETING ON FRIDAY. 
          GOING THROUGH THE PRIORITIES, LOOKING INTO THE BUDGET, I'M GOING TO TRANSPOSE THOSE NOTES AND WE'LL BRING THEM FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE'VE INTERPRETED THEM ACCURATELY AND AND GET A PLAN MOVING FORWARD. THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR ACCEPTANCE AND THE RECEIPT OF MINUTES I MOVE. COUNCIL RECEIVED THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE MARCH 3RD, 2026 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT. 
          I'LL SECOND. FREEMAN. YES. BRADFORD A. DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY. IS OUR IT'S LEE THAT IS GOING TO BE ONLINE WITH US. IF SHE'S READY WE CAN MOVE ON TO 
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THAT WITH POWER. IF NOT, WE WILL JUMP. SHE'S READY. OH SHE'S HERE. OKAY. STEVEN, WOULD 
          [Power]
YOU MIND COMING UP? COMING FORWARD AND ORMOND COMING UP AND INTRODUCING THIS NEXT SECTION FOR US. AND WHAT IT IS THAT. WHAT IT IS WE'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING AND MAYBE WHAT COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS WE LOOKED AT USING NRECA, WHICH IS NATIONAL RURAL ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE ADMINISTRATION'S EXECUTIVE JOB SEARCH. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE. AND SECOND OF ALL, THAT BUDGET WAS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN WE USUALLY USE FOR MUNICIPAL JOBS. 
          SO BUT WE THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT THEY OFFER THAT DO THIS A LOT. LEE TAYLOR IS THE PERSON THAT WILL TALK ABOUT IT. SHE'S THE ONE THAT DOES MOST OF THE JOB SEARCHES, AT LEAST IN THE WEST. LEE USED TO WORK FOR ONE OF THE FINANCING CORPORATIONS, SO SHE JUST KNOWS A LOT OF UTILITIES, AND SHE'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. SO WE ASKED TO DO KIND OF AN A LA CARTE SERVICE. SO AND ONE OF THEM THAT WE PUSHED HARD FOR WAS TO KIND OF DO THAT SELF-REFLECTION AS AN ORGANIZATION OF, OF HAVING PEOPLE COMMENT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ANONYMOUSLY. AND THAT WAS THE LEADERSHIP TEAM AND IDAHO FALLS POWER, THE OTHER DIVISION DIRECTORS AND THE COUNCIL HERE AND THE MAYOR. SO WE DID THAT AT LEAST GOT A SUMMARY PUT TOGETHER. OFTEN THEY'LL USE THIS TO DEVELOP THE JOB DESCRIPTION OR KIND OF MOVE IT PARALLEL. SO WE HAVE THE JOB DESCRIPTION OUT THERE WITHOUT IT. BUT IT'S IT IT LETS YOU LOOK AT THE UTILITY. KIND OF GIVES YOU SOME REFLECTION OF WHERE WE'RE AT. IT GIVES YOU SOME IDEA OF WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK WHEN WE GET TO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IN THE FUTURE, AND IT GIVES YOU SOME IDEAS TO WHAT TO IMPRESS ON THE NEXT MANAGER THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED OR ENHANCED AND WHAT WE'RE DOING REALLY GOOD. SO WITH THAT, LEON, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, I HOPE YOU HAVE A LOT BECAUSE YOU GOT TO DO THE WHOLE THING. BUT. 
          IT'S LIKE A TINY, TINY DELAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. ARE Y'ALL GOING TO PUT UP THE SLIDES FOR ME? I AM I JUST CAN'T HAVE YOU ON THE SCREEN AT THE SAME TIME. SO ARE YOU GOOD IF I MOVE YOU OFF NOW? YES. I FIGURED YOU'D SAY YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO. AND I'LL LET STEVEN BE YOUR DRIVER. OKAY. FANTASTIC. AND THANK YOU, EVERYONE. IT'S IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING PROCESS BEING PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL TEAM. I GOT TO KNOW IDAHO FALLS POWER PRETTY WELL. AND YOUR PREVIOUS GM. AND SO WHAT ALWAYS WHAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE A LOT IN OUR SEARCHES IS TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR IN THE NEXT GM BECAUSE OUR OUR INDUSTRY IS MOVING SO FAST, THE SKILLS AND COMPETENCIES AND KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITIES FOR YOUR PREVIOUS GM MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FOR YOUR NEXT GM. SO THAT WAS THAT'S THE INTENTION BEHIND THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE HIGH LEVEL RESULTS. AND THIS STEVEN SAID ABSOLUTELY CAN INFLUENCE THE QUESTIONS BASED ON YOU'LL SEE WHERE THERE'S COMPETENCIES THAT ARE WEIGHTED HIGHER THAN OTHERS. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE WE DO A FULL SEARCH. WE PAY ATTENTION TO FIRST AND THEN MOVE THROUGH THE REST OF THE COMPETENCIES. THIS IS BASED ON A PUBLIC POWER LEADERSHIP COMPETENCY MODEL, OF WHICH, YOU KNOW, THESE FIRST TWO GOVERNANCE AND STRATEGY ARE THE FIRST TWO OF THE FIVE COMPETENCIES THAT WE ASSESS OUR CANDIDATES FOR. SO STARTING WITH GOVERNANCE AND STRATEGY, THIS IS AROUND FOCUSING ON THE LONG TERM NEEDS OF THE UTILITY AND THE BUSINESS STRUCTURE. YOU'LL SEE IN THE BOLD, ALL CAPS ARE THE TOP COMPETENCIES. 
          OUT OF ALL THE COMPETENCIES THAT WE'VE ASKED ABOUT. SO FOR YOUR NEXT GM FOR IDAHO FALLS POWER, IT SEEMS THAT ONE OF THE KEY COMPETENCIES AND THE BEHAVIORS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT COMPETENCY WILL BE THAT VISIONARY STRATEGIC THINKING, LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION AND UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHO IS IN THE RIGHT JOB, WHAT NEW JOBS DO YOU NEED TO PUT INTO PLACE? YOU KNOW, IS ARE YOU SERVING YOUR CUSTOMERS APPROPRIATELY WITH THE THE EMPLOYEES AND THEIR TALENTS AND SKILLS AND ABILITIES? AND BECAUSE ONCE, ONCE AGAIN, OUR INDUSTRY IS MOVING SO RAPIDLY, IT THE FEEDBACK TELLS US THAT YOU GUYS REALLY DO WANT SOMEONE THAT CAN LEAD, CHANGE AND MANAGE RISK. ALONG WITH THAT, ONE OF THE HIGHER, OTHER HIGHER BEHAVIORS IS THIS EXTERNAL LEADERSHIP PIECE AND ABSOLUTELY IS GENERALLY VERY KEY FOR OUR PUBLIC POWER LEADERS. BUT IN YOUR PARTICULAR SITUATION, THE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONSES WERE AROUND THAT INDUSTRY INFLUENCE. WANTING SOMEONE TO BE INVOLVED WITH OTHER UTILITIES, UNDERSTANDING LEGISLATION AND REGULATION THAT MIGHT BE COMING. YOU KNOW, DOWN THE PIKE TO, YOU 
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KNOW, EITHER AFFECT NEGATIVELY OR POSITIVELY IDAHO FALLS POWER. SO RIGHT NOW, THE PUZZLE, THE PICTURE OF THE PUZZLE THAT WE'RE BUILDING IS REALLY THIS EXTERNAL FOCUS IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE INDUSTRY AND WORKING IN IN STEP WITH THE INDUSTRY AND UNDERSTANDING THE FACTORS AND THE VARIABLES. BUT THEN ALSO THAT VISIONARY AND STRATEGIC LEADER WHO HAS A GREAT MIND IN TERMS OF HELPING THE ORGANIZATION THROUGH CHANGE. NEXT. SO WITH ALL THAT AND THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, THESE ARE THE NEXT TWO COMPETENCIES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF ALL OF THESE COMPETENCIES ARE NEEDED. OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHETHER THE TOP BEHAVIORS FOR THESE COMPETENCIES AND LIKE I SAID, FOCUS ON THOSE. SO OF COURSE, WITH ANY LEADER OF AN ORGANIZATION, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT CAN GET RESULTS. AND THE KEY BEHAVIORS THAT YOU WANT TO LOOK FOR AND THEN INTERVIEW FOR AND ASSURE IS TITLE ALIGNMENT AS YOU CAN. OUR DECISION MAKING AND PROCESS MANAGEMENT, WHICH ACTUALLY BLENDS NICELY WITH THAT STRATEGIC VISION AND THE ORGANIZATIONAL DESIGN THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE GOVERNANCE AND STRATEGY PIECE. OF COURSE, IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN TERMS OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL FOCUS, NOTHING GETS DONE UNLESS IT'S THROUGH PEOPLE. AND THIS THIS CAME OUT VERY CLEARLY THROUGHOUT THE THE RESULTS FROM THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL, MAYOR, STAFF AND THEN OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS STRONG INTERPERSONAL COMMUNICATION SKILLS BECAUSE YOU WANT AN ABILITY TO DEMONSTRATE THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP EMPLOYEES. SO YOU DEFINITELY WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AROUND THAT, HOW THEY HOW THEY GROWN INDIVIDUALS, WHAT AREAS ARE THEY MOST PROUD OF IN TERMS OF WHICH EMPLOYEES HAVE THEY GROWN, AND A COLLABORATIVE LEADER? WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT WHAT WE SAW VERY STRONGLY IS THE THE NEED AND THE CONTINUED NEED TO COLLABORATE WITH THE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY NEXT. AND THEN LASTLY, ESPECIALLY FROM THE CO-OP MODEL AND THE PUBLIC POWER MODEL, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN IOU WHICH IS BEHOLDEN TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE INVESTING IN FROM WALL STREET AND WHATNOT. 
          THIS IS ABOUT SERVING THE CUSTOMERS. AND TO DO THAT, A LARGE PART OF IT IS HAVING INTEGRITY AND COURAGE AND A COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC POWER VALUES. WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT IDAHO FALLS POWER SPECIFICS, AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER PUBLIC POWER UTILITIES, SAFETY FOCUS AND A DEMONSTRATED UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFETY IS CRITICAL FOR YOUR YOUR NEXT GM. AND THAT IS OVER AND ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE. ONCE AGAIN, NOT TO SAY THAT THESE THINGS ARE NOT IMPORTANT, BUT YOUR WHIM OF A POWER UTILITY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITHOUT A HEALTHY SAFETY CULTURE, IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING ORGANIZATION TO RUN NEXT. SO IF WE WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE TOP COMPETENCIES, AND SO WHEN WE ARE BUILDING THE JOB POSTING THIS, THESE ARE THE PIECES THAT WE WOULD PULL OUT IN THE JOB POSTING. SO WE WANT SOMEONE THAT HAS GOOD VISION AND A STRATEGIC ORIENTATION AND THINKING THAT HAS THAT ABILITY, THAT DEMONSTRATED ABILITY TO LEAD CHANGE AND MANAGE RISK, CAN TAKE THAT VISION AND UNDERSTAND HOW THE PLAYERS INSIDE THE ORGANIZATION ARE SERVING THAT VISION AND THAT MISSION, ALONG WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROLE THAT IDAHO FALLS POWER PLAYS INSIDE THE ELECTRIC INDUSTRY, PARTICULARLY FROM A POWER PERSPECTIVE. IN TERMS OF GETTING RESULTS, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ANALYTICAL THINKING AND DECISION MAKING ONCE AGAIN, TAKING THAT ANALYTICAL, PROCESS FOCUSED VIEW OF THE ORGANIZATION, PARTICULARLY AS SOMEONE SO FAST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ENCOURAGE SMALL WINS. BUT ALL IN ALL, THE UTILITY IS I DIDN'T SEE ANY RED FLAGS AND IS RUNNING VERY WELL. AND AT THE SAME TIME THEY WANT THE RESPONDENTS DID WANT SOMEONE TO MAKE CHANGE SLOWLY. AND OF COURSE THE STRONG PIECES AROUND WORKING WITH OTHERS, INTERPERSONAL COMMUNICATION 
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SKILLS, THE WANT AND ABILITY TO DEVELOP EMPLOYEES, HIGH NEED FOR COLLABORATION AND INTEGRITY AND COURAGE. SO THAT'S YOUR CHEAT SHEET OF THE CRITICAL COMPETENCIES FOR YOUR NEXT GM. 
          AND ALSO THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, I WAS LEADING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. I WOULD FOCUS MORE TIME AND ATTENTION ON THESE BUCKETS IN TERMS OF BEHAVIORAL STYLE. INTERVIEW THE. TELL US ABOUT A TIME THAT YOU INTRODUCED CHANGE TO THE ORGANIZATION, FOR EXAMPLE OKAY. 
          NEXT. SO THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE ASK, YOU KNOW, SO FIRST WE ASKED ABOUT COMPETENCIES. AND THEN LET'S TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING WELL WITH IDAHO FALLS POWER. WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES. AND THIS IS INCREDIBLY COMMON THROUGHOUT MOST OF PUBLIC POWER, YOU KNOW GREAT. YOU ALL HAVE A VERY GOOD RATE STRUCTURE. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A STRENGTH OF YOURS. 
          RELIABILITY, FINANCIAL POSITION AND EMPLOYEES, THOSE ARE ALL REALLY GREAT THINGS. BUT THE INTERESTING PART OF IT IS, IS THAT THOSE ARE SOME OF YOUR SAME CHALLENGES, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. HOW DO YOU ATTRACT, RETAIN AND DEVELOP THE RIGHT PEOPLE? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT LOOK FOR LIKE IN YOUR TERMS, YOUR POWER SUPPLY RELATIONSHIPS AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT POSSIBLY RATES AND RELIABILITY? POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT IS ALSO FOCUSED STRONGLY AS YOU'RE ONE OF YOUR TOP THREE CHALLENGES, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A LOT TO SAY. THERE'S NOT A LOT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT. BUT YES, THERE ACTUALLY IS TO GET IN FRONT OF IT AND UNDERSTAND FROM THE INDUSTRY INFLUENCE PIECE WHAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO LIVE WITH NEXT. SO WE ALSO DIG INTO WHERE DO WE NEED THE NEW GM TO FOCUS. AND REMEMBER, WE HAD PRETTY HIGH MARKS ON THE AND WORKING THROUGH OTHERS PIECE. SO SO THIS IS WHERE IT SHOWS UP ON THE AREAS OF FOCUS WHICH SHOULD ALIGN WITH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL GOALS FOR THE NEW CEO FOR THE FIRST YEAR. AND THAT IS, YOU SEE, THREE QUARTERS OF THIS IS ALL AROUND PEOPLE, THAT CULTURE PIECE COMMUNICATION. WE GOT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE PROBABLY GREATER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS WITH THE COUNCIL. TALENT MANAGEMENT, GROWING YOUR PEOPLE AND THEN CULTURE, ENSURING THAT YOU HAVE A CULTURE THAT CAN CREATE A HEALTHY. WE SAW IT A COUPLE TIMES HEALTHY LIFE WORK BALANCE. AND THEN FOR EVERY UTILITY THE CRITICAL AREA FOCUS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE POWER SUPPLY RELATIONSHIPS NEXT. SO THESE ARE A LOT OF WORDS ON HERE. BUT HONESTLY IT I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THEM AS IT LOOKS AT THE COMPETENCIES NEEDED AND THE CHALLENGES. THERE NEEDS TO BE STRONGER. COLLABORATION IS WHAT THE RESPONDENT SAID WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND TO BE MORE INTEGRATED AND COLLABORATING ON POLICIES, PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES. AND NOW I'M JUST PULLING OUT THE KEY RESPONSES IN OTHER PEOPLE COULD FEEL DIFFERENTLY THAN THIS, BUT THIS CAME UP ENOUGH THAT BRINGING IT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION, CULTURE, THEY ALL CURRENTLY HAVE IDAHO FALLS POWER, REALLY HIGH PERFORMING CULTURE, BUT OPERATE IN THAT THAT LEVEL WITHOUT THAT BALANCE CAN LEAD TO BURNOUT. IT COULD LEAD TO FIEFDOMS. IT CAN LEAD TO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AROUND PERCEPTIONS OF ARROGANCE. SO THE INTENTION IS TO UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE THAT THE NEW GM IS DRIVEN BY, BECAUSE WHATEVER THEY VALUE AND WHAT THEY'RE DRIVEN BY IS THAT THE CULTURE, THAT'S THE CULTURE THAT GOING TO CREATE. SO FOR FOR IDAHO FALLS POWER, UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU WANT TO BE WITH YOUR CULTURE AND THEN ENSURE THAT YOUR NEXT CEO, YOUR NEXT GM, BRINGS THOSE COMPETENCIES TO THE TABLE. IN TERMS OF EMPLOYEES, WE TALKED ABOUT ENSURING THAT YOU HAVE APPROPRIATE STAFFING LEVELS, DEVELOPING EMPLOYEES. THIS IS ONE THING I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING IS GREATER EMPLOYEE EMPOWERMENT TO MAKE DECISIONS. AND THAT ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE COMES WITH PRACTICE AND LEADERSHIP. SO PERHAPS YOU CAN ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF TELL US ABOUT A TIME THAT YOU STEPPED BACK AND AND YOU LET YOUR EMPLOYEES FAIL SAFELY OR MAKE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR OWN. SO TELL US ABOUT HOW YOU SUPPORT THEM WITH THAT. THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. AND THEN I JUST 
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THREW THIS IN THERE IN TERMS OF ADDRESS, FUTURE GROWTH NEEDS OF OFFICE SPACE, BECAUSE THAT SEEMED PRETTY CRITICAL AS WELL. BUT TYPICALLY I WOULDN'T PUT YOU KNOW, FACILITIES NEED ON THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW STRONGLY THAT IS FOR THAT NEXT ONE. SO THEN ALSO, I MEAN AS PUBLIC POWER ENTITY, THERE ALWAYS, I BELIEVE, IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BETTER COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC AND THE CONSUMERS. IT SEEMS LIKE Y'ALL MIGHT COULD DO A BETTER JOB, AT LEAST ON CERTAIN PROGRAMS, AND LETTING THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR. AND AS WE SAW WITH THE COMPETENCIES HIGH NEED FOCUS ON STRATEGIC ACTIVITIES AND WITH THE CHANGING DYNAMICS IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, ENERGY INNOVATION. AND A COUPLE OF TIMES I SAW LOW RATES SHOULDN'T BE THE ONLY FOCUS I THERE IS A BALANCE TO THAT. BUT OVERALL, IT SEEMS THAT THE RESPONDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING A STRONG VISION FOR THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS, WHICH COULD LEAD INTO THE OTHER PIECES AROUND DECISION MAKING AND EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT. NEXT. SO THIS PIECE WE ONLY ASKED OF IDAHO FALLS STAFF BECAUSE CULTURE IS HOW THINGS GET DONE, SO THE COUNCIL CAN'T TELL US HOW THINGS ARE DONE, GENERALLY OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WORKING IN THE TOOLS WITH IDAHO FALLS POWER OR INSIDE IDAHO FALLS POWER, IDAHO FALLS POWER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A AN ACCURATE PERCEPTION. OVERALL, THE CULTURE SEEMS VERY HEALTHY, VERY HIGH PERFORMING, VERY PROFESSIONAL WORKFORCE, STRONG AMOUNT OF ACCOUNTABILITY, WHICH IS VERY, I THINK, VERY GOOD TO SEE. I DON'T SEE THAT OFTEN. OF COURSE, SAFETY FOCUSED. THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF TEAMWORK GOING ON INSIDE IDAHO FALLS POWER, WITH A VERY STRONG FOCUS ON CUSTOMERS. NOW IN BOLD. THESE ARE THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS HEALTHY AND POSITIVE. 
          SOME OF THE RESPONDENTS SAID THAT THEY FELT THAT IT WAS SILOED AND ELITIST AND MAYBE A LITTLE RIGID. RIGID. NOW, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE. AND THESE THESE FIRST 5 OR 6 POSITIVE THINGS COULD OUTWEIGH THAT. BUT I THINK THE THE CANDIDATES, AS THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING THE OPPORTUNITY, SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT INTO THIS IS WHAT SOME RESPONDENTS FEEL IS THE CULTURE. SO NEXT. SO WITH THOSE FIRST YEAR EXPECTATIONS, TYPICALLY FOR, YOU KNOW, NEW EXECUTIVE LEADERS, IT IS A PRETTY LIGHT YEAR. WE ALWAYS NEED TO HAVE GOALS IN PLACE. AND IT'S ABOUT GETTING YOUR YOUR FEET ON THE GROUND, LEARNING THE UTILITY, UNDERSTANDING THE OPERATIONS, DEVELOPING THOSE STRONG INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL RELATIONSHIPS. AND THAT IS WITH CITY LEADERSHIP, OTHER DEPARTMENTS, KEY STAKEHOLDERS, EMPLOYEES. AND THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FOCUS ON THAT ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE IDAHO FALLS POWER STRATEGY AND THE STRATEGY OF CITY LEADERSHIP. 
          AND OF COURSE, WE DON'T WANT TO UNDERTAKE ANY PROJECTS OR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO JEOPARDIZE THE FINANCIAL STRENGTH AND OPERATIONAL RELIABILITY, WHICH SEEMS TO BE VERY STRONG. IDAHO FALLS POWER, AND UNLIKE A LOT OF PERHAPS SMALLER PUBLIC POWER UTILITIES, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME VERY CONCRETE PROJECTS THAT NEED ATTENTION FROM THE NEXT CEO. 
          YOU CAN ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THAT NOW, OR IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, STEP INTO THAT ROLE ONCE AGAIN. SUCCESSION PLANNING, ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY. AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS HIRING ASSISTANT GM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. YES, WE DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND FOR THE PRESENTATION. MISS TAYLOR, WE DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD, IF YOU'RE OKAY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST SLIDE AND SHOW US THOSE COMPETENCIES? OKAY. YEAH. THAT ONE. YEAH. EXTERNAL LEADERSHIP FOCUSES ON OUTSIDE THE UTILITY TO BETTER SERVE THE ORGANIZATION COMMUNITY. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BY THESE CUSTOMER 
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FOCUS BEING LOW AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BEING LOW. AND WE'RE A PUBLIC POWER ENTITY. THOSE TWO THINGS SEEM VERY CONCERNING TO ME. I, I CAN SEE THAT BY JUST LOOKING AT THIS BRIEFLY. 
          IT'S A FIVE POINT SCALE. I DON'T THINK IT'S BLOOD. IT'S JUST THAT THE INJURY, THE RESPONDENT SAID INDUSTRY INFLUENCE WAS MORE IMPORTANT. SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT WEIGHTS. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT. BE A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS WHERE IT IT COUNTERBALANCED. BUT OVERALL THIS WAS THE RESULT. PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT EXACTLY REVERSED. I DON'T DO A CRAP ABOUT RELATIONSHIP AND APPLES RELATIONSHIP. AS MUCH AS I CARE ABOUT OUR VOTERS AND OUR AND OUR CLIENTS AND OUR RATEPAYERS. YEAH, TO ME THIS IS A BIT ODD AND IT SPEAKS TO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I'D LIKE US TO SEE BECOME JUST ME PERSONALLY, THAT THAT'S WHY I'M GRATEFUL THAT Y'ALL DID THIS EXERCISE, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS YOU TO SEE THE DATA AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND WHAT YOU DO WANT TO FOCUS ON. NOW, LEE, ON THIS QUICK QUESTION, I GUESS TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE. SO THIS IS A COMPOSITE OF THE COUNCIL, OTHER DIVISION DIRECTORS AND EMPLOYEES. CORRECT. SO SOME MIX OF THOSE EVERYONE. NOW THE OTHER THING IS THOSE WEREN'T THE ONLY THREE. THOSE WERE JUST THE THREE THAT KIND OF CAME TO THE TOP. THE SURVEY RESULTS. 
          RIGHT. SO THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHER FACTORS THAT WERE OPTIONS ON THE SURVEY THAT DIDN'T REALLY JUST HIT THE HIGH POINTS. RIGHT? YEAH, I'M GLAD THEY'RE IN THE TOP THREE POINT, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE. AND THAT'S PROBABLY SPEAKS TO US TO HAVE WORK TO DO AS A COUNCIL TO SPEAK MORE ABOUT THIS AND MAYBE IN OUR MEETINGS SPEAK MORE ABOUT THESE OUTCOMES. WE DO SPEND A LOT OF TIMES WITH UAMS. WE SPEND A LOT. TO ME, THIS SPEAKS TO WHAT WE'VE SPENT OUR TIME ON, MAYBE SOME MORE THAN IT DOES ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING OUR TIME ON SOMETHING. 
          YEAH, GOOD. GOOD OBSERVATION. I THINK IT'S ALSO TIED TO THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT PIECE THAT WAS ON ANOTHER SLIDE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT, THEN WE CAN INFLUENCE THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT A BIT MORE THAT IDAHO'S POWER CHALLENGES THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT, THE MORE WORK WE CAN DO THAT WAY THAN MAYBE WE CAN HAVE MORE INFLUENCE. BUT AWESOME. YEAH, I THINK THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HELP THE NEXT PERSON HAVE A REALLY CLEAR ROADMAP OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE AFTER. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY STATED WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR THE FIRST YEAR IS JUST REFINING IT AND EVERYONE AGREEING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. OKAY, I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT TOO, BECAUSE THEN I'M NOT JUST PIGGYBACKING ON YOU, JOHN, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WROTE IT DOWN. I FIND THAT THAT QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN MOVING ON TO PAGE EIGHT, WHEN THE THE CRITICAL AREAS OF FOCUS IS CULTURE, COMMUNICATION AND PEOPLE. IT'S LIKE THAT'S THE THEN THERE'S LIKE MORE THAN THREE QUARTERS OF IT IS BUILT AROUND THAT. AND SO THAT THEN I WAS A LITTLE I JUST WAS TAKEN ABACK BY THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE EXTERNAL INFLUENCE BEING HIGHER THAN THE OTHER TWO AS WELL, WITH THREE QUARTERS, MORE THAN THREE QUARTERS BEING IN IN THESE AREAS THAT I FEEL LIKE SPEAK MORE. I DON'T SEE THIS SPEAKING AT ALL TO EXTERNAL. EXTERNAL. YEAH, THOSE KIND OF AGENCIES THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH. SO I DID FIND THAT I JUST THINK IT'S A REFLECTION OF WHAT BEAR WAS WORKING ON. RIGHT. 
          LIKE HE PLAYED A BIG ROLE IN EXTERNAL RELATIONSHIPS IN OUR IN OUR REGION. AND I THINK THAT WASN'T A NEGATIVE THING FOR US. IT REALLY HELPED US IN THAT WAY. BUT IT ALSO PROBABLY WAS THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT MORE OFTEN BECAUSE WHAT HE WAS INVOLVED. COUNCILMEMBER. WELL, AND I ALSO THINK THE COMMUNICATIONS REFLECT THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CONSUMERS AND THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK IT STILL IS A LITTLE BIT OF A EXTERNAL FOCUS. BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE SPOT ON. IT'S MORE PEOPLE FOCUSED THAN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE SURVEY WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTED. YES. ON LOOK AT THE CRITICAL COMPETENCY SLIDE. IT'S SLIDE. IT'S PAGE 610 AND PACKET. YEAH. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS LIST THAT'S UNUSUAL OR UNIQUE BASED ON YOUR DOING THIS KIND OF WORK FOR OTHER UTILITIES? IS THIS GENERALLY WHAT YOU SEE OR IS THERE SOMETHING THE IDAHO FALLS POWER MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YEAH. WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT. WHEN WE DO THIS EXERCISE THE COMBINATION 
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OF WANTS IS ALWAYS DIFFERENT. BUT WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AS WELL, IS THAT COLLABORATION PIECE THAT SEEMS TO RESONATE THROUGH THE ENTIRE SURVEY OF GREATER COLLABORATION WITH THE REST OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, AND THEN ALSO THE ORGANIZATIONAL DESIGN AND PROCESS MANAGEMENT PIECE. THAT DOESN'T COME UP AS MUCH FOR US. 
          SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN IDAHO FALLS. POWER TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER GROW AN AREA OR REDISTRIBUTE PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW, BUT RESPONDENTS DID WANT IT TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE AS THE NEEDS OF THE UTILITY CHANGED, YOU KNOW, YOU GROW YOUR PEOPLE TO MEET THOSE NEEDS. I MEAN, IDEALLY, YEAH, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN I TYPICALLY SEE. THANK YOU. 
          IT'S PROBABLY NOT SURPRISING TO US BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ORGANIZATIONAL DESIGN A LOT. YEAH. AND IT'S DEFINITELY DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT THERE WAS DIVISION DIRECTORS COMMENTING AND NOT. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU SEE AT A CO-OP. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TAKE ON THAT WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND WE INTENTIONALLY REQUESTED THOSE COMMENTS FROM OTHER DIVISIONS TO PICK UP THAT PERCEPTION. BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH YOUR INTERNAL DIVISION LIKE DIVISIONS WITHIN IDAHO FALLS POWER? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS OR DIVISIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS. OTHER ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE, FIRE, ALL OF THOSE COMMENTED ON, BUT ANY OF THEIR DIVISIONS, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. ANY DID ANY OF THEIR DIVISION DIRECTORS HAVE THEIR DIVISION DEPARTMENTS? IT WAS ONLY DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS. IT'S NOT ON MY STATE. I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID WHAT. IT WAS, JUST THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE STUDY. ONLY THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS. THE DIVISION LEADS FOR POWER CITY COUNCIL. THE DIVISION LEADS FOR. 
          OKAY, OKAY. CAN I JUST MY COMMENT WAS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND HOW IT WOULD ALL BE STRUCTURED. SO ORGANIZATIONAL DESIGN KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO. 
          SO CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. OH YEAH. MISS TAYLOR COULD YOU GO BACK TO OR COULD YOU GO TO PAGE THREE. THAT'S BACK TO THE LEADERSHIP PROFILE. DARREN'S SITTING UP HERE WITH ME EXPLAINING THAT ONE. THAT ONE. ARE THOSE NUMBERS THE THREE TOP ONES. IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE AMONG THOSE OR SHOULD WE LOOK AT THOSE AS THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH EQUAL? I'M ON THE LEFT HAND. ONE OF GOVERNANCE AND STRATEGIES BAR GRAPH. THEY ALL THEY ALL SUPPORT EACH OTHER. SO IT'S THEY'RE ALL STRATEGIC BEHAVIORS WITHIN STRATEGIC ORIENTATION. 
          SO I SEE THEM AS VERY MELDED TOGETHER. I MEAN YOU COULD PULL IT APART A LITTLE BIT. BUT IF YOU YOU KNOW, YOU NEED THE STRATEGY TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DESIGN THE ORGANIZATION AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, GET PEOPLE TO COME ALONG ABOARD IN UNDERSTANDING THE CHANGE AND WHY THERE IS A CHANGE AND HOW THEY CAN BE PART OF THE CHANGE. SO IT ALL ALMOST LINEAR, I THINK. OKAY, SO THERE'S NOT A STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 4.78 AND 4.71. THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH EQUAL IN THE RESPONSES. YEAH. YES. BECAUSE IT WAS BASED ON A ON AA5 POINT SCALE. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE THERE. I MEAN THEY'RE FAIRLY EQUAL IN TERMS OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. RIGHT. OKAY. 
          GOT IT. AND THEN RELATED I THINK. YEAH. YEAH. AND DARREN I THINK WE HAD ALMOST 30 PEOPLE PRETTY CLOSE OF THE PARTICIPANTS. YEAH. I THINK IT WAS IN THE 20S. BUT BY THE TIME YOU ADD UP, YOU KNOW, I THINK 8 OR 10 DIRECTORS AND CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR AND YOU HAD A HANDFUL OF YOUR STAFF THAT WAS THE, THE FULL BREADTH OF WHO PARTICIPATED. SO IT'S A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER, 23 PEOPLE. OKAY. HOW MANY. 623 OKAY. THREE. AND THEN ON PAGE SEVEN WHAT WHAT ARE THOSE. WHAT ARE THOSE BENCHMARKS AGAINST. THERE'S LIKE 15, 12, TEN AND TEN. THAT WAS THE NUMBER OF RESPONDENTS OKAY. THIS 23. YEAH. THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. I KIND OF WENT PAST THAT. YEAH. SO 15 FOLKS SAID, YOU KNOW RATES WERE ONE OF YOUR STRENGTHS. AND IDAHO FALLS POWER OKAY. NUMBER 23 OKAY. AND YOU COULD PICK I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, THE TOP THREE STRENGTHS, THE TOP THREE CHALLENGES. SURE. OKAY. IS THERE ANY ANYTHING 
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ELSE THAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR MISS TAYLOR. THIS WILL THIS WILL INFLUENCE PROBABLY. WELL FOR SURE WILL AS WE START GETTING QUESTIONS READY. THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF IT. WE'VE ALREADY SENT OUT THE JOB DESCRIPTION. OH WE DID. YEAH. THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS OUT THERE. AND SO THESE THIS IS INTENDED TO HELP US FOCUS IN ON CANADA ANSWERS AND THEN PREPARE CANADA QUESTIONS. SO WE KNOW KIND OF SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. STEPHEN DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? DARREN SHOULD TELL US. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN UP HERE. TELL US WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS. DEREK. SCHEDULE. SO. AND AND WE DO WANT TO THANK HR. THEY HAVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN IN BRINGING THE SCHEDULE TOGETHER AND BRINGING THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS FORWARD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT WORK AS WELL. SO THE POSITION WAS POSTED 2 OR 3 WEEKS AGO AND IT WILL REMAIN POSTED UNTIL MARCH 22ND. I THINK THAT'S A SUNDAY THAT MAY 21ST 22ND RIGHT THERE. THAT WILL CLOSE. WE'LL HAVE AN INITIAL SCREENING OF APPLICANTS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS RIGHT AFTER THAT, AND THEN WE'LL START TO SCHEDULE REMOTE INTERVIEWS TO NARROW DOWN THAT INITIAL GROUP OF APPLICANTS THAT MAKE IT THROUGH THE FIRST SCREENING TO A GROUP OF FINALISTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE NUMBERS MIGHT BE 5 TO 8 IN THE BEGINNING GROUP AND THEN 3 TO 5 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE FINALISTS. AND THEN WE'LL SCHEDULE THE IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS AND HAVE THOSE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE TO OTHER RECENT DIRECTORS, WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE MAYOR ON ONE PANEL AND MAYBE SOME DIRECTORS AND COUNSELORS, COUNSELORS SPLIT UP BETWEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PANELS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A FORUM, BUT BASICALLY WE GO THROUGH THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS, NARROW IT DOWN TO THE FINALISTS THEY CAN OFFER. WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT ALL WRAPPED UP IN MAY, IF WE COULD, SO THAT WE'VE GOT THE CANDIDATE HOPEFULLY STARTING AT SOME POINT IN JUNE, EARLY JUNE, LATE MAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM POWER THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE ON THIS? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE BACK FOR EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THIS MEETING, BUT YEAH. YEAH, IT'S I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME IT'S MOVING ALONG METHODICALLY. I'VE LONG SAID WHEN YOU'RE HIRING, PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE. AND I THINK WE'RE FOLLOWING A NICE, CLEAN, PATIENT, CLEAN PROCESS. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS, LEE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU EVERYONE. GOODBYE. JOSH, WOULD YOU THEN COME AND. LEAD US 
          [Public Works, Power, Finance ]
THROUGH BOARD POLICY NUMBER FIVE. AND THEN IS IT ALAN CUNNINGHAM THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US TO THE ANNUAL SERVICE POLICY. YES OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS. WE JUST HAVE TO ADVANCE. IT'S ALL OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST START OFF WITH THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE JUST TO DO A JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF THIS POLICY. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE BRING UP TO THE BOARD OR TO CITY COUNCIL EVERY YEAR JUST TO REVIEW. AND SO WE BROUGHT IT UP LAST LAST YEAR IN FEBRUARY. SORRY. IT WAS REVISED IN FEBRUARY. LET ME GO BACK. SO IT WAS ADOPTED FEBRUARY 25TH OF 2016. AND SINCE THEN EVERY YEAR WE MEET TOGETHER AND REVIEW IT. AND THEN LAST YEAR IT WAS REVISED IN MARCH. AND THE REVISION FOR THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE PLAN THAT WE HAD. SO WE ADDED SOME VERBIAGE ABOUT THE PLANT INTO THE POLICY. AND SO IT CONTAINS TWO MAIN PARTS, AND I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS VERY MUCH. IT HAS THE FINANCIAL STABILITY AND CREDITWORTHINESS POLICY PORTION OF IT, WHICH ENSURES THAT IFP MAINTAINS STRONG RESERVES, STABLE RATES AND SUFFICIENT LIQUIDITY. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE POLICY IS THE RISK MANAGEMENT. AND THE RISK MANAGEMENT IS IN THERE IS BECAUSE IT SETS RULES FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TO HELP US WITH OUR POWER PURCHASES THAT WE DO. SO WE'RE NOT KIND OF BUYING THINGS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING OR SELLING POWER THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING. SO THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS IN THE POLICY, WE HAVE OUR THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR BOTH THE, THE MANAGEMENT AT OUR POWER AND ALSO FOR THE BOARD. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR REPORTING GOES THROUGH THE ANNUAL, THE QUARTERLY, THE MONTHLY REPORTING THAT WE DO AND THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE ASSET AND OPERATIONS MANAGEMENT IN THAT SECTION. I'LL GO OVER THAT IN MORE DETAIL WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGET PRESENTATION. THAT'S WHAT OUR COST OF SERVICE AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR, OUR CASH HANDLING. AND THEN SO THE WIDE PORTION OF IT. SO THE REASON WE HAVE THIS POLICY IS FOR OPERATING STABILITY FOR US AS BOARD MEMBERS CHANGE, AS 
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PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING FOR IT, IT HELPS US TO MAINTAIN GOOD CREDIT RATINGS. AND THIS IS LIKE VITAL FOR OUR POWER PURCHASES AND FOR OUR OR AT LEAST FOR OUR POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE WITH DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND ALSO FOR OUR BONDS THAT WE HAVE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN LASTLY FOR TRANSPARENCY AND SAFETY AS WELL. SO THIS YEAR, FOR THE POLICY, WE MADE JUST A COUPLE UPDATES IN THERE. AND SO THERE ARE THREE MAIN UPDATES THAT WE DID. 
          WE REMOVED EVENTS RIGHT HERE. SO WE REMOVED THE PILOT VERBIAGE FROM THE POLICY. AND AFTER WE REMOVED THAT WE REPLACED IT AND ADDED TWO THINGS IN THERE. WE ADDED THE GENERAL FUND COST ALLOCATION AND SOME VERBIAGE ABOUT WHAT THAT IS AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FALLS, POWER AND THE TRANSFERS THAT WE MAKE TO THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED THE IDAHO FALLS POWER AND THE PARKS AND REC RESOLUTION AND AGREEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO. AND HOW THAT WORKS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DETAILS IN THIS POLICY ABOUT THOSE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SEPARATE POLICIES. SO WE DON'T WANT TO LIKE DOUBLE UP ON A LOT OF LIKE THE THE DETAILS ON IT. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN CHANGES WE DID TO THE POLICY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TO GO THROUGH ABOUT THOSE. COUNCILMEMBER FRANCIS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON. WELL, I JUST WONDERED IS POLICY ONE JUST COMPLETELY GONE? AND WE START WITH POLICY TWO OR WHAT HAVE WE? I FORGET HOW I MADE THE MOTION. YES. AND I BELIEVE SO. BACK WHEN WHEN YOU DID THAT. I WOULD ASK STEVEN THOUGH FOR CLARIFICATION AS I WAS BACK WITH BEAR. BUT I KNOW THIS IS POLICY NUMBER FIVE. WE WE CLEARLY MADE A DECISION AT THE GREENBELT RESOLUTION WAS NOT FALSE. NUMBER ONE, THEY WERE TWO. OKAY. SO POLICY. ALL RIGHT. WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO BACK AND OFFICIALLY DELETE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE I THINK THE MOTION WAS BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST OF 2025. 
          POLICY ONE WAS IN THAT CASE WE'RE DONE. I MY MEMORY IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS OR NOT, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SORT OF. OKAY. WE'RE DONE. 
          OKAY. LINDA'S GOT A BETTER MEMORY THAN I DO. YEAH, OKAY. BUT TO KEEP THE NUMBERING. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE. SO WE'RE STARTING WITH POLICY TWO. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND WE HAVE MANY POLICIES. WE USE NUMBER FOUR. AND THEN I WANT TO BE SURE THIS IS WHERE WE DEAL WITH HIGH DENSITY LOADS LIKE THE HEAVY YOU KNOW THAT'S SEPARATE. IS THAT A SEPARATE POLICY OR IS IT A THAT I BELIEVE IS IS AN ORDINANCE AND FEE RESOLUTION. YES. SO I KNOW IT'S AN ORDINANCE OKAY OKAY. AND WE DON'T NEED IT AS A SEPARATE POLICY ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT IS AN ORDINANCE. BECAUSE IT IS AN ORDINANCE. YES. OKAY, OKAY. AND WHEN DO WE LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. 
          SO ANY LOAD THAT'S ABOVE A MEGAWATT WE BRING IT TO YOU. THAT'S REALLY BASED ON IF IT'S A JOB THAT'S I MEAN IF IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S PARTICULARLY SPECULATIVE, IT PROVIDES A LARGE LOAD. AND THEN WE WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL ANY LOAD OVER MEGAWATTS, A CONTRACT. AND IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THIS LOADS GOT GREAT. YOU KNOW, IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S STANDARD BUSINESS. AND WE JUST SET THEM IN OUR NORMAL COMMERCIAL RATES. 
          IF IT'S ONE PARTICULARLY THE BITCOINERS ARE ONES THAT A NUMBER OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN HIGHLY SPECULATIVE. THEY DON'T PROVIDE ANY JOBS. THOSE AT THAT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION. 
          YOU CAN SET AT A RATE THAT MAY BE A MARGINAL, COST BASED OR MARKET BASED RATES. SO THAT'S AT COUNCIL DISCRETION FOR ME. AND DO WE NEED ANY UPDATES? BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THAT WAS DEALT WITH IN THE. FISCAL KNOW EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD COME TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY AS A CONTRACT. AND AND JUST GENERICALLY WHEN YOU GET LARGE LOADS, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME ADVANTAGES TO PUTTING THEM IN THE CONTRACT WORLD, BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS COME WITH THEIR OWN IDIOSYNCRASIES. EVEN WHEN I LOOK BACK AT PORSCHE AG, WHICH WE GOT ALONG GREAT WITH BUSH AG, BUT THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT WE LOST IN HISTORY THAT CONTRACT UP FRONT, LIKE EXACTLY WHAT IS THE POINT OF DEMARCATION GOING TO SWITCH GEARS? SO SO THOSE LARGE LOADS THAT HAVE A CONTRACT IS IS JUST A HEALTHY PRACTICE. SO BUT THIS POLICY HAS IS THAT APPENDICES CORRECT THAT THERE'S THE HIGH AND LOW DENSITY FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS IS PART OF POLICY FIVE. NO, NO JOSH IS ON OUR ALAN WILL COME UP WITH THAT ONE. OKAY. THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR POLICY. YES OKAY. LIKE WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT IN YOUR. JOSH. MAKE SURE ALL OUR PENNIES ARE IN THE RIGHT SPOT. ALAN COX, THE NEW CUSTOMER TO MAKE SURE. GOT IT. OKAY, SO THIS WOULD BE 
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ONE WHERE. WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO ADOPT ON THURSDAY. THIS WILL JUST COME FORWARD AS A YES I DON'T KNOW DO WE HAVE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THIS THURSDAY'S AGENDA. SO WE CAN ADD IT TO THE NEXT. THAT'LL BE THE SERVICE. YEAH. THE SERVICE POLICY IS THIS THURSDAY. BUT THIS ONE IF IF WE WANTED TO GET IT ON THERE IS IT DOES IT MATTER. I MEAN I, I KNOW MAYBE FROM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS JUST CAN COME FORWARD ANY TIME. I KNOW THE SERVICE POLICY IS ON THERE, BUT THIS WILL JUST COME FORWARD AT ANOTHER THURSDAY. THERE'S NOTHING. OKAY. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY PASSED THESE IN BOARD MEETINGS BECAUSE. YEAH. POLICY. YEAH I JUST OUR UTILITY SO YOU COULD DO IT BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO VOTE ON IT NOW THREE. I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. WELL ARE YOU SURE YOU CAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY. IT DOES SAY ACTION COUNTS DIRECTION DIRECTION STAFF OR TAKE OTHER APPROPRIATE ACTION. 
          YOU CAN. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WE SHOULD FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE THOUGH GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT. AGENDA OKAY. THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH DOING IT ANOTHER THURSDAY AS LONG AS IT GETS DONE THIS MONTH IS THE RHYTHM. YEAH I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YOU'RE SAYING WAIT TILL THURSDAY NIGHT. YEAH OKAY. SO THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE APRIL 2ND. DOES THAT MATTER OR THIS THURSDAY IT DOESN'T MATTER AS LONG AS IT HAS A CHANCE TO BE OUT TO THE PUBLIC. OKAY? OKAY, MAYOR, IT CAN STILL BE ADDED TO THIS I KNOW. YEAH, IF YOU WANT IT ON THIS THURSDAY, BUT THAT WOULD INVOLVE SOME QUICK FEET FROM THE THREE OF YOU. IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, SPECIFICALLY THE POLICY. YES, YES, I KNOW I WANTED YOU TO FEEL INCLUDED. SO IT'S YOUR CALL, MAYOR. I'M FINE TO SEE IT COME FORWARD ON THURSDAY AND JUST GET THEM DONE. I THINK SOMETIMES THEY JUST GET SHELVED AND THEN WE FORGET TO BRING THEM BACK. SO IF WE CAN GET IT ON TO THURSDAY, LET'S DO THAT. OKAY. OKAY. AND REMIND ME, EMILY, THE ANNUAL SERVICE POLICY, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS A IS IT CONSENT? IT IS. NO, BECAUSE IT'S A RESOLUTION. OKAY. I'M PULLING IT UP JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT WRONG, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME EVER. NO, IT'S ON REGULAR BECAUSE IT IS A RESOLUTION. ONE LAST QUESTION. YEAH. YES, EXACTLY. THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES. WE'RE CAREFUL WITH THAT. WE KNOW WHAT'S CHANGING. THAT ONE. THAT ONE. YEAH. JUST THAT ONE PART. YEAH. 
          GOT IT. OKAY. SO COUNCIL ARE YOU FINE TO SEE THIS ON CONSENT THEN. YEAH I AM OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU JOSH. AND NOW THE ANNUAL SERVICE POLICY. OKAY OKAY. OKAY. WELL EVERY EVERY YEAR THIS TIME WE WE UPDATE OUR SERVICE POLICY. AND I'M HOPING EVERYBODY SERVES. 
          POLICY IS OUR LIFEBLOOD OF MAKING SURE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS PUT IN CORRECTLY AND AND TO OUR SPECIFICATIONS. EACH YEAR WE GET FEEDBACK FROM OUR LINEMEN CONTRACTORS. AND WE MASSAGE THIS AS WE SEE FIT AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THE UTILITY. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADVANCE IT TO TO YOUR ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. POINT THAT TOWARDS THAT COMPUTER THAT I CAN SEE THAT WORK. IT SHOULDN'T MATTER. WHERE YOU WANT. LET'S SEE HERE. DO WE HAVE. DO WE HAVE THE SLIDES FOR THE. I'M LOST IN WHERE WE NEED TO BE. WE ALL. ONE MORE TIME. IF YOU'RE GOING. YEAH. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE POLICY. THIS POLICY TOO. WELL NOW OKAY SO I'M GOING TO TAKE I'M GOING TO TAKE IT BACK. JUST A MINUTE OKAY. TAKE THE WHEEL. JESUS. THANK YOU. 
          YOU SHOULD HAVE. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO NOW SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE HIGHLIGHTS OKAY. NOW YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT AGAIN OKAY. SO OUR ANNUAL SERVICE 
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POLICY WE HAVE MADE A COUPLE OF NOTES OF WHAT WE'VE CHANGED AND HIGHLIGHT THE MAJOR. ELEMENTS OF OF MODIFICATIONS IN THE SERVICE POLICY. WE'VE MADE. WE ADDED AN ORGANIZATIONAL SIGNATURE PAGE AT THE FRONT. THIS ALLOWS OUR ENGINEER ON RECORD AND TO SIGN THE SERVICE POLICY TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS COMPLIANT WITH OUR ENGINEERING DIVISION. THE BULLET POINTS THAT WE'VE CHANGED AND THESE ARE ALL HIGHLIGHTED. IT SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED IN YOUR DOCUMENTS. MAIN THING IS, IS WE'RE WE'RE MOVING FROM 2.5IN CONDUIT TO THREE INCH CONDUIT FOR RESIDENTIAL SERVICE RUNS. EACH RESIDENT HAS THEIR SERVICE IN CONDUIT. WE'RE CHANGING FROM TWO AND A HALF TO THREE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS, EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 14 YEARS. WE'RE MAKING THAT CHANGE NOW. IT'S IN HARMONY WITH WHAT OTHER UTILITIES AROUND DOES. THEY REQUIRE A THREE INCH. SO IT HELPS THE CONTRACTOR WITH KNOWING THAT THEY CAN JUST DO THREE INCH AND THEY'RE THEIR COMPLIANCE, WHETHER THEY'RE IN IDAHO FALLS OR BONNEVILLE COUNTY. AND IT ALSO WITH THE SECOND BULLET POINT ■GOING FROM TWO AND A HALF TO TWO INCH FOR OUR SINGLE PHASE PRIMARY CONDUCTORS, IT ALLEVIATES 2.5IN CONDUIT. THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO BRING OUT ON SITE ALTOGETHER. SO NOW THEY CAN JUST SIMPLIFY IT. BRING TWO, 3 OR 4 INCH CONDUITS. IT SIMPLIFIES THAT AS WELL. AND AND COST. WE'VE INCURRED COSTS THAT INCURRED ON 2.5IN AT OR SOMETIMES ABOVE THREE INCH BECAUSE IT'S A OFF SIZE SIZE. THEN WE ALWAYS LIKE TO GIVE CONTRACTORS OPTIONS TO INCH. 
          HDPE CONTINUOUS DUCT IS STILL AN OPTION IN THE TRENCH, BUT WITH IT BEING CONTINUOUS AND COMING OFF RAILS, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED IT SNAKING IN THE TRENCH AND CAUSES A LITTLE BIT MORE GRIEF WHEN WE'RE PULLING IN THAT CONDUCTOR, SO WE STILL NEED THAT AS AN OPTION, BUT WE WILL WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE EXCESS SNAKING BENDS AND ALLOW PVC TWO INCH PVC MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN THE NEXT STEP IS WE AND LIGHTING THAT WE HAVE OVER THREE OR MORE OR FOUR OR MORE LIGHTING AND DEVELOPMENTS. WE GO INTO WHAT'S CALLED A MYERS CABINET. IT'S A SECONDARY CABINET EC AND THEN WE STREAM AND FEED THE LIGHTING SYSTEM OUT FROM THERE. AND WE CAN HAVE ONE PHOTO TO SERVE THOSE LIGHTS. IN THE PAST WE'VE THE DEVELOPERS PROVIDED THOSE WE ARE MAKING THE CHANGE THAT WE'LL PROVIDE IT. THEY'LL THAT'LL BE INCURRED ON THEIR LINE WILL ITEMIZE THAT OUT AS WE SEND THEM. AND THEY PAY FOR THE THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE THE POWER INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE WILL PROVIDE THAT. BUT THEY WILL STILL INSTALL IT AND PROVIDE THE BASEMENT FOR IT. 
          AND THAT THE THE FIGURES, THE NEW FIGURES IN THE SERVICE POLICY SHOULD REFLECT THAT. AND CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT ONE. THIS WOULD BE INVENTORY THEN THAT SITS IN IDAHO FALLS POWER. AND THEN WHEN THEN BUILD OUT AND DELIVERED, THEY'LL COME IN AT ANY TIME THAT WE PROVIDE A LOT OF MATERIAL FOR THE DEVELOPERS, THEY'LL COME IN TO OUR WAREHOUSE AND PICK UP WHETHER IT'S GROUND RODS, CONDUIT OR BASEMENTS. THEY WILL COME AND PICK THOSE UP AT OUR FACILITY. SO THIS WILL JUST BE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ADDED TO INVENTORY. AND WE TECHNICALLY HAVE THESE ON INVENTORY. WE UTILIZE THESE FOR OUR APPLICATIONS AS WELL OKAY. AND THIS IS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT THERE ARE LONG LEAD TIME ITEMS. SO WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE A COUPLE. BUT CONTRACTORS HAD A HARD TIME GETTING THEM WITH A REASONABLE LEAD TIME FOR THEIR PROJECTS. SO IT'S IT'S REALLY PROVIDING A SERVICE FOR CONTRACTORS. THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE? YOU MENTIONED IF THAT CONTINUOUS DUCT IS NOT GOOD, WHY DO WE SAY DISCOURAGED INSTEAD OF NOT ALLOWED? I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S IT'S GOOD IF IT'S INSTALLED CORRECTLY. AND HDPE COMES IN IN ON A ROLL. AND IT ALSO CAN COME IN STICKS, MEANING THAT THEN YOU FUZE THEM TOGETHER. SO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO UTILIZE THE THE MATERIAL. BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO THREE INCH AND FOUR INCH ON THIS HDPE THIS IT'S IT'S MORE OF A. RUBBER PIPE I GUESS. AND IT'LL JUST SNAKE IN THE, IN THE TRENCH. IT'S IT IT'S NOT 
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BETTER OR WORSE. THERE'S A BIG ADVANTAGE TO HDP. IT'S A CONTINUOUS PIPE. SO THERE'S NO JOINTS. THERE'S NOTHING TO LEAK THERE. IT'S JUST THAT HDPE WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY POLYETHYLENE, IT'S REALLY PRETTY SIMILAR TO PAXIL USE IN HOUSES WITH THE SAME MATERIAL. 
          BUT ITS COEFFICIENT OF EXPANSION IS LARGER THAN PVC. SO IF YOU HAVE ONE WHERE LET'S SAY YOU'RE PLOWING IT IN, OR IF THE ONLY THING YOU'RE PUTTING IN, YOU'RE COVERING IT UP RIGHT AWAY, IT'S GREAT. BUT WHEN IT SITS ON THE TRENCH AND THEN THEY WAIT TILL THE GAS LINE GOES IN AND THE OTHER LINE GOES IN AND IT GETS IN THE SUN AND IT SNAKES. WELL, THAT'S JUST A LOT MORE FRICTION TO PULL THROUGH. SO I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S BETTER OR WORSE, BUT THERE'S BETTER OR WORSE APPLICATIONS FOR EACH MATERIAL. YEAH. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE SAY DISCOURAGED INSTEAD OF CONTRACTORS GOOD ENOUGH TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT, I WONDER. AND AND I MEAN IT'S DISCOURAGED IN OPEN TRENCH. YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE TO IT. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPEN TRENCH. LIKE WHAT. YEAH. WHEREAS WE WHEN THEY'RE BORN AND IN THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE CONTINUOUS DUCT WHEN THEY BORE IN THE CONDUIT IN THIS OPEN TRENCH. THE APPLICATION WHEN WE SAY DISCOURAGED WE MEET WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND WE'LL NOTIFY THEM OF WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE. AND THEN WHEN WE GO OUT AND WE SEE IT SNAKING AND WE'RE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO MOTHER HEN THEM OF THEIR PROPER INSTALLATION THAT CAUSES EVERYBODY GRIEF. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE AT TIMES IN SOME APPLICATIONS PVC. BUT I THINK. I JUST IF IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY NO, BUT OKAY, I'M GOOD. I GOT IT. AND AND COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, WE HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION TOO. AND IN FACT WE WE WERE LEANING TOWARDS THAT. BUT WE ALSO LIKE TO GIVE CONTRACTORS OPTIONS WHERE WE CAN AND COSTS IF THEY CAN PUT THAT IN COST EFFECTIVELY AND TO OUR STANDARDS. WE DO WANT TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THEM. BUT OKAY, WE'RE THAT'S KIND OF THE WHY. 
          SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND WE'VE JUST ADDED SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON THE METERING CLEARANCES AND LABELING FOR THE METERS AND COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS. WE REQUIRE A PLAQUE LABELING AND WE CONSTANTLY TALKING TO ELECTRICIANS OF THE PROPER LABELS. AND SO WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT EVEN MORE SO IN THE POLICY. SO IN INSTALLATION ON THREE PHASE TRANSFORMERS, THEY SIT ON A CONCRETE PAD. WE'VE ALLOWED THEM AND THEY CONTINUE TO ALLOW A POURED IN PLACE. BUT LOCAL COMPANIES PROVIDE A PRECAST PAD, WHICH IS VERY FAVORABLE IN IN WINTER CONDITIONS. AND SO WE WE SHOW THAT WE PREFER THAT. BUT AGAIN, IF THEY WANT A POURED IN PLACE, THEY THEY CERTAINLY CAN. BUT WE LIKE TO LET THEM KNOW WHERE OUR PREFERENCES ARE. THE SECOND BULLET POINT THERE IS WE ARE FOR SAFETY AND FOR CLARITY REASONS, WE'RE REQUIRING THAT THE DEVELOPERS TO WRITE COLOR CODED SECONDARY WIRE COMING OUT OF THE TRANSFORMERS SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE EACH WIRES TERMINATED FOR THE PHASING OF THE THE SECONDARY. SO ANY QUESTIONS I SHOULD STOP AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. AND OF BOTH THE LABELING AND THE COLOR CODING, A LOT OF THAT'S JUST CONSTRUCTION ISSUES. WE FOUND MULTIFAMILY HOUSES, CORRECT? I MEAN, A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY, WE'VE SEEN THAT. BUT EVEN IN SOME COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS, WHEN SOME ELECTRICIANS ONE CASE LAST YEAR, SOME ELECTRICIANS GOT THE WIRES REVERSED AND IT DID SPARK IN FRONT OF ONE OF OUR TROUBLE. SO THERE'S SOME SAFETY FACTORS IN THERE THAT WE'RE WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS. 
          WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS IS, IS CRAFTSMANSHIP OF AS. REDUCED IN A WAY. SO WE ARE WE WE'VE MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT ON OUR END TO PROVIDE THE DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS A LITTLE MORE OF OUR TIME. AND ALSO WE ARE REQUIRING A TWO YEAR WARRANTY. WE USED TO JUST REQUIRE A TWO YEAR WARRANTY IF IT WAS INSTALLED IN WINTER CONDITIONS. BUT WE WE BELIEVE THAT PROVIDING THIS TWO YEAR WARRANTY WITH THE BASEMENT SETTLING OR TRENCHING TRENCHES, IT COMES IN AND ALLOWS US TO TO GET A BETTER PRODUCT. AND THEN ON SOME OF ON THE LAST BULLET POINT ON THIS ONE, OUR BASEMENTS, IT IS JUST REFERENCING HOW MUCH REVEAL ON 
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THE BASEMENTS WE ARE WANTING TO SEE FROM FINISHED GRADE, WHERE WE USUALLY LANDED ON SIX INCHES, AND NOW WE'RE MOVING UP TO 9 TO 12IN SO WE CAN GET THOSE BASEMENTS UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ABOVE THE GROUND. SO ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT? HOW WILL THIS I WAS I HAD A QUESTION ON THIS. AND HOW WILL THIS BE COMMUNICATED. I MEAN OTHER THAN THROUGH THE SERVICE. I MEAN IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE LIKE THE SERVICE POLICY AND THEN IT'S ANOTHER THING TO HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON IT, KNOWING THAT THAT THEY HAVE THIS TWO YEAR WARRANTY, IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THEY SIGN LIKE IT'S A TRUE WARRANTY? OR IS IT SITTING JUST IN OUR POLICY THAT YOU'LL WARRANT YOUR IT'S IT'S SITTING IN OUR POLICY. WE HAVE NOT TO DATE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN THE TWO YEAR WARRANTY. WHAT WE GOVERN IT AS ONCE IN SUBDIVISIONS, ONCE IT'S ACCEPTED AND A DATE ACCEPTED BY THEIR ALL THE PUBLIC FACILITIES, THE ROAD. THAT'S WHEN THAT TWO YEAR WOULD START. SO MAYOR, WE HAVE NOT HAD THEM SIGN ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT IN REGARDS TO THAT. WILL THEY BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY THIS TWO YEAR WARRANTY? IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY, OH, IT WAS IN YOUR IN THE IN OUR SERVICE POLICY, IT IT I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL. AND THE REASON WE WE TALK ABOUT LIKE I SAY BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION WE WE'VE ACTUALLY MADE IT A POINT TO BRING THE CONTRACTOR IN AND SIT DOWN AND GO OVER THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND THE INSTALLATION PROCESSES. AND IN THAT CASE, WE CAN BRING IT UP AT THAT POINT AS WELL TO. BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN OUR PREVIOUS CONTRACTORS MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE EACH SPRING, AND WE'LL BRING THAT UP. AND AS PART OF THIS CHANGE AS WELL. AND THE ONE THING I'LL MAKE A NOTE ON IS ON OUR CONTRACT WITH MAP, WE CAN IF WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THERE, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A NOTE ON THERE SHOWING BECAUSE EACH CONTRACTOR WILL RECEIVE OUR CONTRACTORS MAP. AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE DO HAVE A CONTRACTOR MEETING EVERY YEAR. WE'VE DONE IT FOR PROBABLY SIX YEARS. THE LAST COUPLE YEARS PUBLIC WORKS HAS JOINED IN ON THAT. SO SO WE DO HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE GO OVER OUR CHANGES, PUBLIC WORKS, THOSE OTHER CHANGES TO THEIR POLICY. SO WE GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO TO MEET WITH THEM AND TRY TO EXPLAIN THE CHANGES AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT. I ALWAYS JUST THINK OF HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY WHEN I SEE POLICIES LIKE, OH, IT WAS IN OUR POLICY. OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A BATHTUB. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LIKE, HOW HOW DOES THAT GET GOVERNED AND HOW DOES THAT GET COMMUNICATED? SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE KNOWING THAT THERE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN THIS CONTRACTORS MAP IS HELPFUL AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. AND WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AND ENSURE THAT IT'S ON THE CONTRACTORS MAP. SO WITH THAT THOSE ARE THE MAIN BULLET POINTS. AS YOU LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THE EDITS YOU MAY HAVE HAD OTHER QUESTIONS. ONE THING I DID WANT TO BRING UP IS JUST IN THE LAST HOT OFF THE PRESS, JUST IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO, WE'VE WORKED OUT AN AGREEMENT WITH RMP FOR OUR ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER BUYOUTS, AND THAT CHANGES OUR PROCESS IN BUYING OUT INFRASTRUCTURE ON RAMPS. THEIR THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO SAY WHICH WE CAN NOW WORK WITH THE LOCAL EMPLOYEES, WHICH WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME FROM IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYWHERE FROM 6 TO 12 MONTHS, EVEN EVEN LONGER, WHEN WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE ORIGINAL PROCESS AND IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PUC, WE CAN REALLY CHANGE, MAKE ANY MOVES ON THE BUYOUTS UNTIL IT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE PUC. 
          NOW WE'VE GOT THIS NEW AGREEMENT WHICH WOULD REDUCE THAT DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE THINKING THREE MONTHS OF OF A BUYOUT, WHICH WOULD HELP THOSE CUSTOMERS OUT, BECAUSE THAT IS HOT OFF THE PRESS. AND AND I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE EDITS ON THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ON THE END OF THE SERVICE POLICY. ON PAGE 46, I BELIEVE. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'VE MADE THOSE EDITS ON APPENDIX 11, THE TRANSFER OF POWER SERVICE FOR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ON PAGE 46. DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO GET YOU THERE? COULD YOU PLEASE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND KIND OF JUST TO DEMONSTRATE THIS, YOU GUYS VOTED TO APPROVE THAT THAT CONTRACT IN OCTOBER AND THE FINE IS GETTING FILED WITH THE PUC. WE GOT THAT NOTICE LAST WEEK. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE LEAD TIME WE'RE TAKING OUT THIS 1.46. YEP. THAT'S PERFECT. SO WITH THAT THERE WAS THERE WAS A COUPLE OF. EDITS THAT WE WOULD 
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LIKE TO MAKE ON THIS. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. AND ONE IS ON ITEM FOUR. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO TRANSFER SERVICE FROM ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER OUT OF FALLS? IT COULD TAKE ANYWHERE FROM FIVE MONTHS TO A YEAR. WITH THE PREVIOUS PROCESS, WE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT TO AROUND THREE MONTHS. IT STILL, WE WANT TO BE STILL FAIRLY VAGUE BASED ON HOW EVEN OUR CONSTRAINTS OR OUR AMPS CONSTRAINTS LOCALLY COULD BE. AND THEN ON ITEM FIVE, WHY DOES IT TAKE SO LONG TO TRANSFER THE SERVICES? I WOULD IN SOME CASES, IN PEOPLE'S MINDS, THREE MONTHS MIGHT BE TOO LONG. SO WE THERE'S SEVERAL. WE'D STILL LIKE TO KEEP THE THE REASONING OF THERE'S SEVERAL STEPS THAT NEED TO OCCUR TO COMPLETE THE TRANSFER, THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE UTILITIES AND THE COSTS AND THE CALCULATIONS OF THE REVENUE. 
          BUT WE WOULD STRIKE, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DRIVER IS THE SCHEDULE OR THE TIMES REQUIRED BY ROCKY MOUNT POWERS PROCESS AND PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION APPROVAL, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THAT TO WHERE WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES. THEY STILL WILL GO TO THE PUC, BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. AND THE RISK IS ON US. IF IF, I GUESS IF FOR SOME REASON THE PUC WOULDN'T APPROVE IT, BUT WITH BOTH. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, STEVEN, BUT WITH BOTH UTILITIES IN HARMONY WITH THE BUYOUT, THAT'S. AND USUALLY PUC IS. UNDERSTANDABLE FOR THAT. SO. AND THEN WE WOULD GOVERN AND CHANGE ITEM SIX CAN IDAHO FALLS POWER EXPEDITE THE TRANSFER. I THINK THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE NEW PROCESS. SO WE WOULD MODIFY THAT ANSWER TO IDAHO FALLS. POWER HAS EXPEDITED THE PROCESS WITH THE HELP AND ASSISTANCE OF ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER. CAN YOU SAY MAYBE INSTEAD OF NO. YEAH, BUT YEAH, MAYBE. BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE I APOLOGIZE THAT THOSE EDITS WERE NOT ON HERE WITH THE WE DID NOT WANT TO DELAY THE SERVICE POLICY COMING BEFORE YOU FURTHER, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THOSE EDITS AS WELL. SO NUMBER FOUR WOULD READ SOMETHING LIKE IT. IT TAKES SINCE WE'RE TALKING FUTURE IN A SENSE HERE 3 TO 5 MONTHS. YEAH. IS THAT THE WAY YOU WANT TO WORD IT. YEAH. IT WOULD I WOULD SAY WE WOULD ANTICIPATE 3 TO 5 MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE TRANSFER SERVICE. 
          YEAH. THAT GIVES YOU THAT RANGE YOU NEED. OKAY. YEAH. AND THIS IS COMING BEFORE US ON THURSDAY. 
          IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS. I BELIEVE AS WE WERE SITTING HERE, I BELIEVE THOSE EDITS HAVE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THEM. I'LL GET BACK IN THE MORNING AND REVIEW THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY READ, PER OUR CONVERSATIONS HERE. OKAY. MAYOR, DO YOU WANT ME TO PULL IT UP? WHAT IS ON THURSDAY? HE'S MADE A SENSE. WELL, THIS WOULD BE THE THIS WOULD BE WHAT'S IN THE SERVICE CONTRACT. SO IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE JUST THIS ONE PAGE WOULD BE A CHANGE. AND WE COULD JUST EVEN HAVE IT AT THE DYESS IN PRINTED FORM. IN PRINTED FORM. YEAH. 
          THAT'S FINE. LET'S GET IT IN THE PACKET. OKAY. SO AM I REMEMBERING RIGHT THAT THE SOME STATEMENT ABOUT THE TRANSFER OF POWER SOMETIMES APPEARS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? OR AM I MISREMEMBERING? I HAVE TO ASK CHRIS. YEAH, THERE IS A REFERENCE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS THAT IS VAGUE, BUT ASSIST IN SAYING THAT ROCKY OR IF IT'S ANNEXED INTO THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S A TRANSFER OF SERVICES FROM RMP TO IDAHO FALLS POWER. NOW, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORDING, BUT THERE IS A WHETHER IT'S A SPECIAL CONDITION OR A WHATNOT, THERE IS AN ITEM IN THERE, I, I BELIEVE OKAY, I TALKED TO CHRIS ABOUT 7 OR 8 YEARS AGO, MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO IN REGARDS TO THAT. SO IS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE IT'S GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE CHANGING HERE? I DON'T KNOW. YOU BET. I DON'T BELIEVE WE REFERENCED ANY TIMING OF THAT, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROCESS THOUGH AS I'M REMEMBERING IT. BUT YEAH, AND REALLY THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THE BIG PICTURE PROCESS. IT'S THE QUESTION OF CAN WE ACTUALLY DO THE MECHANICS BEFORE PUC APPROVAL, OR DO WE REQUIRE PUC APPROVAL AND THEN DISCUSS THE 
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CAVEAT THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE DECIDED LAST WEEK NOT TO APPROVE IT? WE CAN UNWIND THE DEAL. BUT SO THIS IS REALLY JUST TO FACILITATE THE FACT THAT WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS A BIG FIELD WITH A PUMP BANK ON IT, WE CAN BUY UP THAT PUMP BANK PUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SITUATIONS WHERE THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO MOVE FAST ENOUGH THAT IT ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE RFP INSTALLED, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MEET THEIR SCHEDULE, WHICH THEN WE'D HAVE TO BUY IT OUT. AND THAT'S JUST NOT OKAY. NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY. SO. WITH THAT, THAT COVERS EVERYTHING WE WANTED TO REVIEW WITH THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, I DO BELIEVE YOU WERE ASKING SOME QUESTIONS WHEN JOSH WAS UP HERE IN REGARDS TO THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FOR HIGH DENSITY. I JUST WONDER IF WE NEED TO AGAIN, LOOK AT THAT. SINCE I'M A TOTAL AMATEUR ON THIS. BUT I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE DATA SYSTEMS REQUIRE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF POWER AND AND WATER. SO I JUST WONDER IF WE NEED TO AT SOME POINT GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT HIGH DENSITY LOAD SERVICE ORDINANCE AND SEE IF WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN IT OR ADJUST IT TO TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE ITSELF OR OUR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. BECAUSE WE REVIEWED THIS, WE REVIEWED THIS FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THAT WE GIVE TO INQUIRIES OF DATA MINING, AND WE BELIEVE IT IS IN HARMONY WITH. THE POLICY. ORDINANCE. BUT SO IT WOULD JUST GET RID OF THIS IS A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION. WE'D BE GLAD TO COME BACK ANOTHER TIME AND LOOK AT THAT NEW POLICY. THINGS HAVE CHANGED. SOME OF THESE DATA CENTERS ARE DEFINITELY DIFFERENT THAN THE WILD, WILD WEST OF THE BITCOINERS BEFORE, BECAUSE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE A VOLATILE GROUP. SO WE'D BE GLAD TO COME BACK AT A DIFFERENT TIME AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT AFFECTS THIS. WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST RESPONDING TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AS THE ORDINANCE. BUT I THINK MAYBE LOOK AT IT AGAIN, THINGS MAYBE HAVE CHANGED SOMEWHAT. SO WHEN BUT NO MATTER WHAT, IF THERE IS A LARGE SINGLE LOAD, IT'S COMING TO COUNCIL AS A CONTRACT. YEP. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S LIKE THE SAFEGUARD THAT NOTHING HAS TO BE. YES. TOO QUICK BECAUSE WE'LL GET IT BEFORE COUNCIL TO REVIEW IT. BUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING WE WILL DEFINITELY KNOW ABOUT IT. YEP. WELL TRUE. BUT THEN DO WE HAVE OUR ORDINANCE. SO THE CONTRACT IS WRITTEN THE WAY WE CAN HANDLE IT BEFORE WE WRITE THE CONTRACT. THAT'S THE THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN SO WE CAN WRITE THE CONTRACT WHATEVER YOU APPROVE. YEAH. THAT PUTS ALL OF THE ABILITY TO SET THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO THE COUNCIL LEVEL. AND THEN I'M SURE THE ATTORNEYS CAN HAVE SOME. THEY'RE GOING TO ADVISE YOU TO WRITE THAT WISELY, YOU KNOW, TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY. BUT IT DOES. AND IT DOES PUT THE PROVISIONS THERE OF WHAT FACTORS YOU CONSIDER IN THAT, IN THAT CONTRACT. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, MR. BECK HAS THAT LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. HE'S LOOK THAT UP OKAY. OH THANK YOU. IT TYPICALLY SHOWS UP IN THE SPECIAL CONDITION CONDITION SECTION. AND I JUST HAVE ONE PULLED UP RIGHT NOW. IT SAYS EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN IT IS NECESSARY TO MOVE OR REMOVE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE NOT BELONGING TO CITY AND NOT WITHIN CITY RIGHT OF WAY. 
          DEVELOPERS SHALL COORDINATE SUCH ACTIVITIES WITH THE APPLICABLE OWNER AND E.G. POLES OWNED BY PACIFIC CORPS DBA ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER. ANY EXISTING ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE OWNED BY PACIFIC OR DOING BUSINESS AS ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER WILL REQUIRE A BUYOUT FROM DEVELOPER PRIOR TO RECEIPT OF ELECTRICAL SERVICES FROM CITY. REQUEST FOR THE BUYOUT, IF ANY, IS TO BE INITIATED BY DEVELOPER AFTER ANNEXATION. WHICH IS IN HARMONY THE WAY WE NEED IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MOVING THROUGH OUR POWER BOARD MEETING TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OUR Q1 FINANCIALS. 
          YES, AS YOU SAY, I CAN GIVE YOU THEIRS. SO HERE WE GO. I THINK I'D JUST LIKE TO STAY THAT THE IDAHO FALLS POWER. JOSH GOING TO THE BANK WITH HIS WAGON FULL OF MONEY. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. I'D LIKE TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE A HEALTHY BALANCE SHEET AND PROFIT AND LOSS. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. I'LL GO THROUGH. WHAT I DID HERE IS I DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT THIS TIME. SO I HAVE THE SAME OUR OUR FINANCIALS ON THERE. BUT AT THE BOTTOM I JUST PUT SOME KIND OF LIKE THINGS TO KNOW TALKING POINTS THAT'S ON THERE. SO I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THERE. JUST SO LIKE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT STAND OUT. SO ON HERE FOR THE THE BALANCE SHEET FOR OUR ASSETS, JUST TO NOTE THAT OUR CASH THIS FISCAL YEAR 
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AT THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER WAS AT ABOUT 69 MILLION VERSUS ABOUT 60 MILLION FROM LAST YEAR, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF $9 MILLION IN CASH. AND THAT WAS DUE TO THIS LAST TIME THAT WE MET. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAWDOWN FOR OUR BOND, FOR THE POWER SUPPLY BOND THAT WE DID BACK IN SEPTEMBER. IT WAS A $12 MILLION DRAWDOWN. AND SO THAT'S WHAT KIND OF BOOSTED THE CASH LEVEL FOR THAT FIRST QUARTER RIGHT THERE. AND THEN TOTAL ASSETS OF 87 MILLION VERSUS 98 MILLION. SO IT WAS A DECREASE OF $11 MILLION. AND THAT'S DUE TO ALSO THE POWER SUPPLY REVENUE BOND, WHICH IS THAT BOND RECEIVABLE LINE THAT'S UP THERE. BECAUSE WE WERE CONTINUING TO DRAW DOWN ON THAT BOND. AND SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THAT'S THE AMOUNT STILL SITTING THERE WAITING TO BE DRAWN DOWN ON. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT $3 MILLION LEFT. SO WITH THE LIABILITIES HERE SORRY FOR THE RED PART. I HAD THAT IN THERE JUST AS A REMINDER, A REMINDER TO ME TO FINISH PUTTING IN THAT SENTENCE. BUT THEN IT GOT SUBMITTED AND I FORGOT TO FILL IN THE REST THERE. SO LET'S BUY THAT ON THERE. BUT SOMETHING I WANTED TO POINT OUT BECAUSE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SHOWS $1.4 MILLION VERSUS $10,000. AND SO AS YOU THINK ABOUT CURRENT LIABILITIES, THIS IS OUR AP, OUR CHECK RUN. SO THIS IS LIKE PAYMENTS THAT WE STILL NEED TO MAKE. SO USUALLY WHEN AP THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AT PAYING OUR BILLS. AND SO THE LOWER THE BETTER. THAT MEANS WE'RE PAYING OUR BILLS. 
          BUT AT $1.4 MILLION WAS THERE BECAUSE WE HAD A PEAKING PLANT PAYMENT THAT WAS STILL PENDING PAYMENT. SO IT WAS STILL SITTING THERE AT THE END OF THE MONTH WITHOUT BEING PUSHED THROUGH. YET BECAUSE IT WAS STILL SITTING THERE PENDING IN THERE. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. SO. GOING ON WITH OUR. YEAH, THE LINE UNRESTRICTED 89 MILLION ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. YEAH. THE WRONG WAY. SO THAT THERE WE GO. YEAH. SO NET POSITION UNRESTRICTED. CAN YOU DEFINE UNRESTRICTED FOR US. LIKE THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S IT HAS A LOT. NO NO IT'S NOT. SO THE WAY THAT THE FINANCES WORK IS YOU HAVE YOUR TWO LINES FOR NET POSITION. YOU HAVE YOUR NET INVESTMENT WHICH IS YOUR CAPITAL ASSETS THAT ARE IN THERE, YOUR PROPERTY, YOUR PLANT, YOUR EQUIPMENT, ETC. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE RESTRICTED FOR CONSERVATION. AND A LOT OF THAT'S LIKE OUR ENERGY EFFICIENCY FUNDS THAT WE HAVE WITH BPA. AND THE UNRESTRICTED IS. SO LET ME GO. YEAH. SO YOU HAVE YOUR TOTAL NET POSITION WHICH TOTALS THOSE THREE LINES. AND THAT TOTAL NET POSITION COMES FROM OUR INCOME STATEMENT. IT'S A LINE FROM THE INCOME STATEMENT. AND SO YOU HAVE THOSE TWO LINES. AND THEN THE UNRESTRICTED IS THE I GUESS THE REMAINDER THAT THEY HAVE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR TOTAL YOU HAVE THE TWO CAPITAL. AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE CATCH ALL THAT'S THAT'S THERE FOR THE UNRESTRICTED OUT OF THE REALLY KIND OF ANSWERS THE QUESTION. BUT IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT'S A IT'S A FINANCE DEPARTMENT WAY THAT THEY DO THE BALANCE SHEET WITH IT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. IT JUST IT HAS TO EQUAL THAT $234 MILLION. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE INCOME STATEMENT. OKAY. 
          SO REVENUE BONDS NOTHING HAS CHANGED. WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY PAYMENTS SINCE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED OR AT LEAST THIS FIRST QUARTER. BUT IN MARCH WE DID MAKE OUR OUR INTEREST PAYMENT FOR THE YEAR. SO WE DO TWO PAYMENTS. WE DO ONE IN MARCH, WHICH IS INTEREST ONLY. WE DO ANOTHER ONE IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST. THEY SPLIT THE INTEREST IN TWO. THEY TRY TO GET US TO PAY EVERYTHING IN MARCH. BUT WHEN WE SET IT UP, I TOLD THEM, NO, I WANT TO MAKE INTEREST ON OUR MONEY. I DON'T WANT TO JUST PAY IT TO YOU. SO THEY AGREED TO LET US KIND OF SPLIT IT UP AND DO THE BIG PART, THE BIG CHUNK OF THE PAYMENT LATER IN THE YEAR. SO THAT WAY WE HAVE THAT MONEY IN OUR BANK EARNING INTEREST ON IT. SO WITH THE INCOME STATEMENT HERE, REVENUE IS DOWN 147,000. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT REVENUE OF $17 MILLION, IT'S PRETTY INSIGNIFICANT. BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT THE REASON OF WHY WE'RE NOT UP HERE IN JUST A SECOND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POWER SUPPLY. BUT WE'RE STILL WE'RE SITTING AT ABOUT 22% OF OUR BUDGET FOR FOR REVENUE AND EXPENSES ARE DOWN, WHICH IS GOOD AS WELL. 
          $1.5 MILLION FROM LAST YEAR. WE'RE AT 13% OF OUR BUDGET SO FAR. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, OUR OPERATING INCOME IS HAS A IS UP $5 MILLION. THAT'S OUT THERE FOR THIS YEAR VERSUS 3.7 FROM LAST YEAR. OKAY. SO FOR FIBER BALANCE SHEET, THE THINGS TO NOTE ON HERE IS ON OUR CASH AND INVESTMENT. SO OUR CASH HAS BEEN INCREASING ABOUT 56% EACH MONTH. AND THAT'S AS WE GET NEW 
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FIBER SIGNUPS AND WE GET MORE REVENUES FROM THESE INDIVIDUALS WITH THEIR WITH THEIR FIBER ACCOUNTS. SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT CONTINUE TO TO CLIMB EACH MONTH IF THEY'LL PROBABLY KEEP DOING THAT, I'M GUESSING FOR ANOTHER ABOUT TWO YEARS. ONCE WE KIND OF SATURATED THE AREA AND WE KIND OF HIT HOPEFULLY OUR 50% GOAL OF WE WANT FOR OUR TAKE RATE AND THEN WE'LL SEE THE CASH. YEAH. NOT NOT INCREASING SO SIGNIFICANTLY OKAY. ON THE BALANCE SHEET FOR FIBER. JUST THE ONE THING TO NOTE. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TOO EXCITING ON THE LIABILITY SECTION. BUT WE WE MADE OUR FIRST PAYMENT AT $1.1 MILLION BACK IN SEPTEMBER. AND SO WE WILL MAKE OUR NEXT PAYMENT THIS THIS FISCAL YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR IN SEPTEMBER. SO IT'S A IT'S A TEN YEAR PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, PAYBACK PROGRAM TO GET US TO GET OUR PAID IN FULL. JOSH, REMIND ME IS THAT 1.1 THE TOTAL PAYMENT OR WAS THAT INTEREST ONLY? THAT WAS INTEREST ONLY. THAT FIRST PAYMENT WAS JUST INTEREST. YEAH. SO WHAT IS THE ANNUAL PAYMENT ON A TEN YEAR PAYBACK. WE HAVE IT. IT'S VARIABLE. SO WE HAVE IT. SO IT'S IT INCREASES AS WE GET MORE CUSTOMERS COMING IN. SO THIS YEAR WE'RE PLANNING FOR 1.4. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO UP TO 1.6. AND THEN 1.8. WE'LL GET UP TO ABOUT $2.5 MILLION. AND THEN WE'LL START TO KIND OF LIKE DECREASE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AFTER THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WHAT WAS THE TOTAL LOAN FOR. WHAT'S THAT. WHAT WAS THE TOTAL LOAN. IT WAS RIGHT OVER $20 MILLION. YEAH. 
          SO WHEN I TELL PEOPLE MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN GET. YOU NEED TO TELL ME. BUT WHEN I TELL PEOPLE WE BUILD OUT A FIBER NETWORK, IT'S NOT JUST 20 MILLION. WE ALSO SHARED COSTS AND TRENCHING AND SOME OTHER THINGS. I OFTEN SAY CLOSER TO 70, BUT 20 MILLION IS WHAT WE BORROWED FROM OURSELVES. I WOULDN'T SAY I WOULD SAY MORE AROUND, LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE AROUND $30 MILLION, 30 TO 40. BECAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. WE WE SHARED IN THE COST WITH THE CONDUIT, THE TRENCHING. AND A LOT OF THAT WENT TO THE POWER SIDE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE GREAT PART OF IT WHEN THEY PLANNED THIS ALL OUT IS LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE ALL THIS OLD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S PULL IN ALL THIS NEW CONDUCTOR AND FIBER, AND AT THE SAME TIME, SO 35 MILLION IS A GOOD NUMBER. SOMEWHERE IN THERE. YEAH. BUT THE. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT THAT'S WHY YEAH. WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT IS BECAUSE WE OWNED THE FIBER COMPANY TO DO IT WITH I MEAN THE POWER COMPANY WITHOUT HAVING THE POWER COMPANY IT WOULD BE I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE ASK US, RIGHT, THAT ARE IN THE INDUSTRY, AND THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT COST YOU TO DO THE PROJECT. AND IT'S A GOOD NUMBER TO TELL THEM IT'S 35 MILLION. SO THAT WAS THE TOUGH PART IS, IS I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN GO OUT AND BUILD ONE FOR 35 MILLION. 
          NO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE OTHER STUFF IN PLACE BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO IN AND WE'RE GOING TO DO A BORE, THAT WOULD BE $20 A FOOT PER FIBER, OR $20 A FOOT PER POWER, OR $25 A FOOT FOR BOTH. SO HOW DO YOU THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T GET IT FOR HALF. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S UNLESS THEY WERE ALSO IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET AN APPLES TO APPLES ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. RIGHT. YEAH. AND PLUS WE PULLED SO MUCH MICRO FOR OUR EXISTING CONDUIT. THAT WAS ABOUT A QUARTER OF OUR SYSTEM. THAT WAS UNLESS YOU OWN THE UTILITY THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO WELL. AND THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY HAVE OVERHEAD ACCESS EITHER. RIGHT. FOR THE FOR THE STUFF WE DID OVERHEAD. WELL, ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE THE EASIER PART BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST JOIN USING CONTRACT. YEAH. BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. YEAH YEAH YEAH. OKAY. SO I JUST HAVE THE TAKE RATES UP HERE FOR THE, THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR. SO ENDING IN DECEMBER, WE'RE AT 9900 CUSTOMERS. WE HIT OUR 10,000TH CUSTOMER ON JANUARY 15TH. SO THAT WAS YEAH. SO THAT'S EXCITING. YEAH. GOOD ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR US TO HAVE. AND THEN RIGHT HERE JUST THE GRAPH JUST SHOWING EACH YEAR. 
          HOW DO I, I JUST NOTICED THAT IT CUT OFF THE END OF 25 AND THE FIRST PART OF 26. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE FIRST COUPLE MONTHS OF EVERY YEAR IT'S PRETTY SLOW. AND THIS IS BY CALENDAR YEAR. SO JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, IT'S A SLOWER TIME FOR THE TAPER AND THEN IT STARTS TO PICK UP DURING THE SUMMER TIME. WE PLAN ON GETTING A COUPLE INTERNS IN AGAIN THIS YEAR, TO GO OUT AND TO HELP PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR FOR FIBER ACCOUNTS. THAT WORKED OUT REALLY WELL FOR US LAST YEAR. IT DOUBLED OUR OUR RATES FROM WHEN THEY WERE WORKING. AND THEN JUST LASTLY FOR POWER SUPPLY HERE, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO MENTION. SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS FIRST QUARTER OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, IT WAS IT WAS CRAZY. IT WAS SUPER WARM, SUPER WARM. NOT A LOT OF MOISTURE OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE WARM TEMPERATURES. OUR OUR 
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DEMAND WAS WAS DOWN. JUST PEOPLE WEREN'T USING POWER THROUGH THROUGHOUT THOSE FIRST FEW MONTHS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE WITH OUR TOTAL EXPENSES, IT WOULD BE KIND OF CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU SEE, OH, EXPENSES ARE UP 310,000 ON OUR POWER SUPPLY. AND SO YOU'D BE LIKE, WELL, PEOPLE ARE USING LESS POWER WIRE EXPENSES UP. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER LAST TIME WE MET, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT FINANCIAL TRANSACTION THAT WE DID, THE POWER PURCHASE, WHERE WE PURCHASED POWER FOR 417,000. AND THEN WE TURNED AROUND AND WE SOLD IT FOR $520,000. SO SO THAT'S WHY IT SHOWS EXPENSES ARE UP. IF YOU TAKE OUT THAT $400,000, THEN THEN OUR EXPENSES WOULD BE DOWN. AND SO WE'RE SITTING AT ABOUT 19% OF OUR BUDGET. AND THEN REVENUES ARE UP 242,000. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, A LOT OF THAT TOO IS BECAUSE OF THAT REVENUE CELL. 
          BUT ALSO LAST YEAR WE SOLD OUR RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS, OR RECS FOR ABOUT 400,000, AND I HAVEN'T SOLD ANY RECS YET THIS YEAR. SO ONCE I DO THAT, THEY'LL ADD ANOTHER 500,000 OR MORE ONTO OUR REVENUE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM SELLING. JUST HAPPEN. YEAH, YEAH. NO PROBLEM SELLING. I'M JUST RIGHT NOW THE MARKET WAS REALLY SLOW THERE THE FIRST QUARTER AND THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH, IT WAS DOWN. AND SO YEAH, THEY'RE STARTING TO INCREASE NOW. SO I'LL GET BACK IN THE MARKET TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE OFFERING FOR SOME OF THOSE TO THE LAB. AND THE LAB HASN'T BEEN AS AGGRESSIVE. YEAH. ALL THE WRECKS THAT WE GIVE FOR VULNERABLE POWER ADMINISTRATION, THOSE ARE THE ONES WE SELL TO THE ECML. AND THEN FROM OUR OWN HYDRO AND WE WE SELL I SELL THOSE ON THE MARKET. AND NOW, OF COURSE, FOR YOU I USED TO SELL THOSE, BUT I HAVE DOING THOSE BECAUSE THEY CAN BUNDLE IT WITH THEIR OTHER HORSE VIEW AND SO THEY CAN GET BETTER PRICES WITH IT. AND THEN JUST LASTLY HERE WITH OUR RETAIL SALES AND GENERATION, LIKE I WAS SAYING, WITH THE THE WARMER TEMPERATURES, OUR TOTAL LOAD IS DOWN ABOUT 5000 MEGAWATT HOURS FROM LAST YEAR AND ABOUT 8000 DOWN FROM WHAT WHAT WE PROJECTED TO BE THIS YEAR FROM OUR COST OF SERVICE. OUR HYDRO GENERATION IS DOWN JUST RIGHT UNDER 3000 MEGAWATT HOURS. AND A LOT OF THAT IS JUST WITH THE RIVER FLOW, NOT A LOT OF MOISTURE THIS WINTER TIME. AND THEN OUR RETAIL SALES, THEY'RE STILL UP JUST $7,000. WE NEED TO BE LIKE, SO IT'S PRETTY PRETTY CLOSE AND REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR, WHICH IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE WE INCREASED LIKE OUR RATES. AND SO IT SHOULD BE HIGHER. AND THEN PLUS WE HAVE 13, 1400 MORE CUSTOMERS THAN WE DID LAST YEAR. SO IT SHOULD BE UP A LOT MORE THAN THAT. BUT CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO 1300 NEW CUSTOMERS DOWN 14% FROM THE PROJECTION. HOW MUCH DO WE COUNT A CUSTOMER SIGN UP WHEN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS BUILT. SO IF THERE'S 200 NEW APARTMENTS BUT ONLY 100 PEOPLE MOVED IN, WE STILL COUNT ALL 200 NOW. NOT IT IS WHEN THEY SIGN UP FOR SERVICES. SO IF THERE'S NO SERVICES AT THAT LOCATION, YEAH, THEN SO THIS IS TRUE. BUT THAT'S NOT DOWN 14%. THAT'S JUST DOWN 14 PEOPLE. YEAH. SO IT'S VERY CLOSE TO BEING EXACTLY ON THAT MAKES WAY MORE SENSE. YEAH. YEAH. JUST 14%. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE THREE. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AND THAT WAS TO OUR PROJECTION TOO. WE PROJECTED IT TO BE HIGHER BUT WE ARE UP. YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FINANCIALS LIKE I MENTIONED ALWAYS BEFORE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE I'M ALWAYS OPEN ANYTIME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS. BUT THE WATER SITUATION I GOT FROM SOMEONE THIS WEEK THAT SAID THIS, THIS LAST MONTH HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD AND MIGHT NOT BE AS HORRIBLE AS THEY WERE THINKING. SO THE THE WATER IN THE NORTHWEST IS KIND OF CLOSE TO AVERAGE THE SNOWPACKS DOWN. SO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW YOU KNOW THAT THAT TENDS TO BE THAT, THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME OFF EARLIER AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SUMMER SNOWPACK CARRIES US THROUGH THE LATE SUMMER. SO THAT DEPENDS ON SPRING RAINS, HOW WET THE SUMMER IS. BUT YEAH, THE OVERALL AVERAGE RAINFALL IN THE NORTHWEST IS NOT NOT TOO FAR OUT OF WHACK. BUT BUT IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN. BUT THE TEMPERATURE IN THE NORTHWEST WINTER HAS BEEN OUT OF WHACK. IT'S BEEN 5 TO 6 DEGREES HIGHER THAN AVERAGE NORTHWEST ON EVERY CHART. I'VE SEEN THAT THAT SITS THERE AND THE FACE LOOKS GOOD. SO EVEN PALISADES, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY DID RUN A BUNCH OF WATER EARLY DOWN BECAUSE WE HAD THE LOWEST NOVEMBER TIME FRAME AND THEY WERE FILLING AMERICAN FALLS EARLY THIS YEAR. SO IT WAS PRETTY COOL WHY THEY DID THAT, I DON'T KNOW. PALISADES IS LISTED RIGHT NOW AS LIKE 105 ABOVE AVERAGE, ABOVE AVERAGE, ABOVE AVERAGE. NOT JUST PRECIPITATION, BUT SNOWPACK. I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS VERY MUCH THERE YESTERDAY, BUT IT DOES SAY IT'S ABOVE AVERAGE IN 
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THEIR SNOWPACK. ISLAND PARK IS NOT. BUT THAT DOESN'T FEED DOWN THROUGH PALISADES. SO BUT IT SAYS THAT THE WATER SNOWPACK ABOVE PALISADES IS OVER. YOU KNOW WHAT FREDERICKSON'S HERE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY, BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF FINANCES, WE SHOULD BE PURCHASING. YEAH. 
          THIS OTHER YEARS. YEAH. THIS YEAR WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY TO TO WORRY ABOUT. AND UP ON THE COLUMBIA THE FLOWS ARE GREAT. IF WE IF WE HAVE ANOTHER BAD YEAR, IF WE HAVE TWO CONSISTENT BAD YEARS IN A ROW, THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO START WORRYING ABOUT IT. HOW LONG IS THAT THE CITY PLANT GOING TO BE DOWN. AND THEY TAKE THE COVER OFF IT TODAY? YEAH, THEY PULLED THE COVER OFF TODAY. WE'RE TALKING LATE FALL. YEAH IT'S A I THINK WE HAD ABOUT NINE MONTHS OKAY. WELL IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PRODUCING ANY POWER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF THAT PROJECT THE LOST GENERATION FAR EXCEEDS IT. MECHANICAL COST OKAY. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. AWESOME. NOW THIS NEXT POLICY IS COMING TO US FROM FINANCE, POWER AND PUBLIC WORKS. AS PART OF THIS DISCONNECT, POLICY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS WAS ONE WHERE WE WERE WORKING ON OUR DISCONNECT POLICY IN POWER AND IT IS RESIDED IN POWER. AND THEN WHEN WE WENT TO DO A DISCONNECT, IT WAS A SITUATION WHERE DISCONNECTS, WE SEND OUT ONE UTILITY BILL. AND I THINK WE WERE THINKING, AT LEAST I WILL TAKE ON FOR MYSELF. 
          SOMETIMES I DO THINK AS POWER, AS UTILITY. AND I'M SORRY, DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON, BECAUSE HE HAS THREE UTILITIES AND POWER IS JUST POWER. AND SO ANYWAY, WE WERE RUNNING OUR DISCONNECT POLICY OUT OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING PRIMARILY IN POWER. SO WE HAVE TRIED TO INTEGRATE THE DISCONNECT POLICY TO INCLUDE ALL OF OUR UTILITIES AND ALL OF THE UTILITIES THAT FIT WITHIN OUR CITY AS WELL. SO TURN THAT TIME BACK TO FINANCE AND POWER. YEAH. NO. AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. SO JUST REALLY BRIEF BACKGROUND WITH THAT. SO IDAHO FALLS POWER CREATED THE DISCONNECT POLICY, THE ELECTRIC DISCONNECT POLICY. AND IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2018 BECAUSE BEFORE THEN WHEN DISCONNECTS WERE DONE THERE WAS REALLY NO RHYME OR REASON. IT WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE WE HAD OUR CREDIT OFFICE AND THEY'D BE LIKE, OH, WE WILL DISCONNECT THESE PEOPLE OR THESE PEOPLE AND THEY JUST LIKE DECIDE ON LIKE WHO THEY WANTED TO. SO ONCE WE GOT OUR AMI METERS IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THEN IT WAS EASY FOR US NOW TO GO IN THERE AND JUST REMOTELY DISCONNECT CUSTOMERS. AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF BROUGHT ABOUT THE DISCONNECT POLICY. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES TO IT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, THROUGH THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. AND WATER STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER A POLICY AS WELL, A DISCONNECT POLICY. IT WASN'T LIKE FULLY IMPLEMENTED, BUT IT WAS STILL KIND OF PART OF THIS AS WELL. SO WE WANTED, AS MAYOR WAS SAYING, TO BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER WASTEWATER, WATER, SANITATION, FIBER POWER INTO ONE POLICY THAT WORKS FOR FOR UTILITIES AS A WHOLE. SO JOSH AND I ARE GOING TO TAG TEAM. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH. WE DID MAKE A FEW CHANGES TO THE POLICY THAT YOU WERE GIVEN LAST FRIDAY. THERE WAS A COUPLE SPELLING ISSUES. THERE WAS SOME INCONSISTENCY ON THE USE OF AM AND PM TO KIND OF CLEAN THAT UP. THERE WERE SOME A FEW ITEMS. WE DID CHANGE. ONE OF THE TITLES FROM WATER WASTE TO WATER CONSERVATION. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES WE'VE MADE. THIS MORNING. WE WERE DRAFTING TOGETHER HOW WE WANT TO PRESENT THIS AND SO ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE THE UPDATED POLICY AND WE'LL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU. BUT THERE WAS YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, JUST SOME GRAMMAR AND SOME LITTLE UPDATES. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE POLICY WAS TO MAKE IT PREDICTABLE AND CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL THE UTILITIES, AND SO THAT THE ONLY THAT THE INTERNAL TEAM, BUT THE CITIZENS AND RATEPAYERS KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR PROCESS. AND THIS WAS AS AS JOSH HAD MENTIONED, I STARTED OUT AS A POWER POLICY AND WE WANTED TO BRING ALL THE UTILITY POLICIES TOGETHER AND THAT WE LEVERAGED AN EXISTING GROUP. 
          EVERY MONTH WE HAVE A UTILITY COORDINATION MEETING THAT WHERE ALL THE UTILITIES AND REPRESENTATIVES AND UTILITY OFFICE MAY COME TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT BILLING ISSUES OR CUSTOMER ISSUES. WE USE THAT GROUP TO GET ALL THE IDEAS TOGETHER. WE RAN ALL THE DRAFTS THROUGH THAT GROUP. AND SO IT WAS REALLY A COORDINATED EFFORT AMONGST ALL THE UTILITIES AND ALL THE THE PLAYERS IN THIS ARENA. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO THIS POLICY THAT IS 
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PRESENTED FOR YOU AFTER THAT COMMITTEE. THE DIRECTORS HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN AND, AND PUT THAT TOGETHER. SO AND THEN WE'LL START WITH JOSH AND LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT WE DO. YEAH. 
          OKAY. SO THE THE FIRST SECTION SO AND ONE AND TWO IS KIND OF THE PURPOSE. AND JOSH KIND OF BRIEFLY COVERED OVER THAT AND THE POLICY STATEMENT. SO I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SERVICE INTERRUPTION INTERRUPTION FOR NONPAYMENT. WE DO HAVE A CHART AT THE VERY END AND IT'S IN THE PACKET. AND I'LL WE'LL REFERENCE THAT HERE IN A SEGMENT THAT KIND OF VISUALIZE THE THE EDUCATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE CUSTOMERS ABOUT HOW THE DISCONNECTS HAPPEN FOR NONPAYMENT. AND SO THAT'S AT THE VERY END. AND ATTACHMENT A. 
          AND WE'LL GET THAT HERE LATER. BUT THERE'S TWO PARTS. THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND COVER THE MAIN PIECES. IT'S NOT INTENTION TO GO THROUGH EVERY PARAGRAPH. AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO YOU KNOW FOCUS ON THE MAIN CHANGES. AND I THINK THERE'S LIKE YEAH, JUST FIVE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE WELL WE'VE PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS. GREAT. SO THIS ONE. IN SECTION ONE AND AND SECTION THREE A2, THERE'S 15 DAYS FROM THE TIME THE BILL IS. AND THEN WE START THE CLOCK ON THE, THE DISCONNECT. AND HISTORICALLY THAT'S BEEN 45 DAYS. OUR, OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS CHANGING THAT FROM 45 TO 48. AND. I WANT TO HAND THIS OUT. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND PASS IT AROUND. THIS KIND OF ILLUSTRATES WHY THAT CHANGE IS. WHEN YOU HAVE 40,000 YOU'RE ALWAYS SAYING YEAH WHEN YOU HAVE 45 DAYS IT'S A MATHEMATICAL PROBLEM. IT IS. 
          YOU TAKE THE DAYS DIVIDED BY SEVEN. SO THE BUILD DATE PLUS 45 TELLS YOU WHAT THE DISCONNECT DATE IS GOING TO BE. AND SO WE BILL MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY. SO IF YOU DO 45 DAYS THAT MEANS DISCONNECT. DAYS ARE FRIDAY SATURDAY SUNDAY, MONDAY. AND SO MAJORITY OF OUR DISCONNECTS FALL ON FRIDAYS AND MONDAYS. AND SO TO CHANGE THAT PERSPECTIVE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE. IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS ON FRIDAY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE DAYS THAT THEY'RE BUILT AND CHANGING THE CYCLES WHICH WE HAVE FOR NOW, IS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN CHANGING THE NUMBER OF DAYS. IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH A CHANGE CYCLES, AT ONE POINT WE HAD WHAT, 16 CYCLES? YEAH, WE HAD A TON OF GAS AND WE CONSOLIDATED ON FOUR AND, AND WE CAN'T REALLY CONSOLIDATE IT LOWER THAN FOUR BECAUSE KAYENTA CAN'T SUPPORT IT. WE TRIED THAT AND IT JUST GOT BOGGED DOWN. AND IT KIND OF LIKE THE SYSTEM KIND OF CRASHED. AND SO IT'S LIKE WE FOUND KIND OF WHERE THAT SWEET SPOT WAS WITHOUT LETTING KAYENTA CRASH. SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DAY FALLS FOR THE DISCONNECT THAT SHIFTS EVERYTHING MONDAY. SO IF YOU WANT, IF WE WENT TO 48, THAT SMOOTHS IT OUT. SO THE THE DAY IS BUILT IS THE DAY THAT IT WILL BE DISCONNECTED. SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER BUILT ON MONDAY WOULD BE DISCONNECTED ON MONDAY. THAT BEING SAID, IT'S NOT NORMAL FINANCIAL PRACTICES. 
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TOTAL. AND THAT'S BEEN THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR SINCE JOSH AND I WERE IN HERE. YEAH. SO THAT WAS GREAT OKAY. SO THE NEXT SECTION LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PLEDGES HERE. WE'RE JUST LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO OVER LIKE THE PARTS THAT WERE CHANGED FROM THE POLICY OR SOMETHING. THAT WAS BRAND NEW. ONE THING THAT'S IN HERE IS WITH THE PLEDGES, THEY GO TOO FAR. YOU. OH, OKAY. I CAN GO OVER THAT. SO BEFORE THAT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PAYMENT EXTENSIONS. SO BEFORE WE ALLOWED CUSTOMERS THREE PAYMENT EXTENSIONS, WE DON'T DO WE DON'T SET UP PAYMENT PLANS FOR THEM BUT WE GIVE THEM EXTENSIONS. WE ALSO USED TO HAVE A MEDICAL EXTENSION AS WELL. AND SO IT GOT REALLY CONFUSING HAVING MEDICAL EXTENSION NORMAL EXTENSIONS. SO WE'RE LIKE OKAY, LET'S JUST DO ONE EXTENSION. IT'S GOING TO BE JUST A NORMAL EXTENSION AND WE'LL GIVE YOU TWO OF THEM. AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT GIVES THEM 15 EXTRA DAYS TO MAKE THEIR PAYMENT BEFORE THEY'RE DISCONNECTED. AND THEY CAN'T USE IT CONSECUTIVELY. SO THEY CAN'T USE ONE AND THEN TURN AROUND AND USE ANOTHER ONE. 
          THEY HAVE TO WAIT A PAY PERIOD BEFORE THAT TO MAKE THEIR BILL, OR MAKE THEIR PAYMENT BEFORE THEY CAN SIGN UP FOR ANOTHER ONE. THE WAY IT WAS SET UP BEFORE I CALCULATED IT OUT. IF THEY WENT ALL WINTER LONG WITHOUT MAKING A PAYMENT, AND THEN THEY DID AN EXTENSION AND THEN THEY COULD DO LIKE AFTER THAT, THEY WOULD THEY WERE ABLE TO DO LIKE ANOTHER ONE AND THEN ANOTHER ONE. SO ACTUALLY THEY ONLY HAD TO MAKE THEIR PAYMENTS TWICE A MONTH, I MEAN TWICE A YEAR BECAUSE OF LIKE HOW THE POLICY WAS SET UP. AND WE'RE LIKE, WE CAN'T HAVE THEM MAKING TWO PAYMENTS A YEAR. WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CHANGED IT TO JUST THE TWO EXTENSIONS IN A ROLLING 12 MONTH YEAR. I GUESS ONE QUESTION HERE IS THE ELECTRIC RECONNECTION FEE IS STILL SOMETHING WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO. BECAUSE THE THEORY FOR HAVING RECONNECTION FEE WAS IT WAS PAYING FOR THE WAIVER. YEAH. SO WITH SO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL YOU'RE ONLY CHARGED A DISCONNECTION FEE ON THE RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS FOR THE NON RESIDENTIAL. SO COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL THERE'S TWO SEPARATE FEES. THERE'S A DISCONNECT FEE THAT THEY ALL GET. AND THEN THERE'S TWO AND THERE'S TWO ACTUALLY THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISCONNECT AND RECONNECT. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID ONE OF THEM IS JUST REMOTE. WE CAN EASILY DO THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, IF WE HAVE TO PHYSICALLY GO OUT THERE AND DISCONNECT THEIR POWER AND THEN PHYSICALLY GO OUT THERE TO RECONNECT THE POWER, IT'S A DIFFERENT FEE. SO IT'S A HIGHER FEE. I BELIEVE THE IF IT'S REMOTE, IT'S $25 FOR DISCONNECT, $25 FOR RECONNECT. IF WE HAVE TO PHYSICALLY GO OUT THERE AT $75 FOR DISCONNECT AND ANOTHER 75 FOR RECONNECT, THEY ACTUALLY PULL A METER ON THOSE ON THOSE, ON THOSE DISCONNECTS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE THAT'S OUT THERE. IT AND YOU GET THE BIG ONES. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S DISCONNECTING A TRANSFORMER. YEAH OKAY. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S DISCONNECTING AT A POLE. LET ME SURPRISE YOU. BUT PEOPLE CAN BE CREATIVE. SO WE'LL ACTUALLY GO UP AND DO IT AT A POLE SO THEY DON'T RECONNECT THEMSELVES. YEAH IT VARIES A LOT. YEAH. WE'VE SEEN LIKE METAL FORKS IN THEIR KNIVES OR WHATEVER. BLADES. 
          YEAH. YEAH. EXACTLY. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. NOW NOW IF THEY GET TOO CREATIVE THAT THEY INCUR SOME EXTRA PENALTIES, BUT. PICTURE OF THAT. YEAH OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT SO PLEDGES THE CITY ACCEPTS THREE ORGANIZATIONS FOR PLEDGES AND YOU HAVE ICAP. YOU HAVE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL OF IDAHO. THOSE ARE THE THREE ENTITIES THAT WE ACCEPT PLEDGES FOR. AND OUR PLEDGE IS SO SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HOLD ON THE ACCOUNT, WHICH MEANS WE WON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT ACCOUNT IF IT'S PAST DUE. AND WE GIVE THEM 60 DAYS FOR THAT PLEDGE TO CLEAR, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CUSTOMER TO MAKE SURE THAT PLEDGE CLEARS. IT'S NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THE PLEDGE IS RECEIVED. AND SO WE GIVE THEM 60 DAYS. IF IT'S NOT RECEIVED WITHIN THAT 60 DAYS, THEN IT GOES INTO THE DISCONNECT POLICY. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE OF, WE DO TAKE DONATIONS, BUT THEY'RE NOT PLEDGES. I MEAN, IT'S OKAY FOR SOMEONE TO DONATE PAY FOR SOMEONE'S ACCOUNT, BUT IT'S NOT A PLEDGE, WHICH MEANS THERE'S NO HOLD ON THE ACCOUNT. SO AND SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE DO A COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOR PLEDGES, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF LOT OF CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WILL PAY PEOPLE'S POWER. BUT SO PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND BE LIKE, OH, MY CHURCH SAID THEY'RE GOING TO PAY IT. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE UNTIL THAT PHYSICALLY COMES IN WITH THESE THREE ORGANIZATIONS, IT IS A GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL BE GETTING THOSE MONEY LIKE ICAP. WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SEND US A BILL ONCE A MONTH OR NOT A BILL, I GUESS A CHECK, SORRY. THEY SEND US A CHECK FOR LIKE $200,000. AND THEN THERE'S A 
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BIG LIST OF ALL THE ACCOUNTS AND THE AMOUNTS THAT WE GO THROUGH, AND THEN WE POST IT ALL TOWARDS ALL THOSE ACCOUNTS. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO GET IT GOING WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THE THE ACTUAL CHECK. YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU GUYS OKAY. GREAT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW IN ACCOUNTING AND FINANCE WORLD, A PLEDGE IS ENFORCEABLE. SO AS SOON AS THE PLEDGE IS MADE, WE CAN LEGALLY FOLD THAT INTO RESPONSIBLE. YOU CAN'T WITH DONATIONS. A DONATION IS NOT ENFORCEABLE. THAT'S WHY WE LIMIT WHO WE DO BUDGETS WITH. OKAY, THIS NEXT ONE JUST REAL QUICKLY ON THIS ONE. IT'S ONE THAT'S NEW ON THE WATER SERVICES. SO IT'S SECTION 1084. AND IT IT STATES YOUR WATER SERVICE MAY BE DISCONNECTED WHEN A PAST DUE ACCOUNT SHARES A COMMON SERVICE LINE WITH ANOTHER CUSTOMER. AND DOING SO WOULD INTERRUPT SERVICES TO MULTIPLE CUSTOMERS. SO WHAT THIS IS, IS IF THERE'S LET'S SAY A DUPLEX OR YOU HAVE THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES WITHIN IT, AND THERE'S ONE SERVICE, ONE WATER SERVICE LINE GOING TO IT, IF IT GIVES US THE AUTHORITY. SO IF ONE CUSTOMER IN THERE ISN'T PAYING THEIR WATER BILL AND WE CAN'T GET THEM TO PAY THEIR WATER BILL, WE HAVE TO SHUT IT OFF ON THE MAIN LINE, WHICH TURNS OFF THE WATER FOR THE ENTIRE COMPLEX. 
          VERY RARELY DOES THIS EVER HAPPEN, BUT WE HAVE IT IN THE POLICY FOR THOSE REALLY LIKE ONE OFFS. AND USUALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS IT'S IT'S A BUSINESS OWNER THAT OWNS THE ENTIRE COMPLEX. SO IT'S TRYING TO GET THE BUSINESS OWNER TO BE LIKE, HEY, WE NEED YOU TO GET YOUR CUSTOMER HERE TO PAY PAY THEIR BILL. AND IF THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE CUTTING THE WATER. AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOUR OTHER CUSTOMERS HERE UNLESS THEY CAN GET THAT PAID. AND SO LIKE I SAID IT, IT DOESN'T LIKE IT'S VERY RARE IF IT EVER HAPPENS. AND IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND THE MAYOR FOR US TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. YEAH. 
          OKAY. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT RETURN AND REJECTED PAYMENTS. SO WHEN THEY'RE WHEN SOMEONE'S IN PAST DUE STATUS AND THEY MAKE A PAYMENT IN THAT OR EVEN A NORMAL STATUS AND THAT PAYMENT GETS REJECTED, WE'LL GIVE THEM BASICALLY TWO CHANCES. AFTER THAT WE WILL REMOVE THAT RIGHT FOR THEM TO PAY WITH THAT WITH WITH A CHECK. AND RIGHT NOW IF IF SOMEONE'S PAST DUE, THEY PAY A CHECK. THEY HAVE THREE DAYS TO, TO MAKE IT RIGHT BEFORE WE SHUT THEM OFF AGAIN. 
          THIS CHECKS OR ACH CHECK. OR IT COULD BE ACH OR A DIRECT PAYMENT. WHAT ABOUT DIRECT PAYMENT? YEAH. SO THEY GET THEY GET THAT THOSE TWO CHANCES IN THE 12 MONTH PERIOD, IF IT HAPPENS MORE THAN TWICE WE'RE GOING TO CUT THAT OFF BECAUSE THERE'S FEES ATTACHED TO THAT. 
          AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF REDUNDANT WORKLOAD THAT CAUSES ON US WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONSTANT. RECURRING CHECKS. AND SO SO IS THEIR ONLY OPTION TO COME IN AND PAY CASH, PAY CASH, PAY BY CREDIT CARD OR GET CASHIER'S CHECK. OKAY. AND SO. THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT TO ENFORCE AND PUT INTO PRACTICE. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT THAT PROBLEM. AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE PERSON TO NOT INTENTIONALLY BOUNCE A CHECK. AND WE'VE HAD THAT DONE A FEW TIMES. PEOPLE KNOW. THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW HOW TO WORK THIS SYSTEM LIKE THEY'RE VERY SMART AND LIKE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ACH PAYMENTS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT. IT WILL TAKE SOMETIMES UP TO 14 DAYS FOR IT TO GET BACK TO US, TO LET US KNOW. AND SO THEY KNOW, LIKE, OH, I KNOW I'M GOING TO DO THIS ACH PAYMENT. I DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS, BUT IT GIVES ME AT LEAST ANOTHER HALF A MONTH TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GET THAT MONEY TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR MY, FOR MY UTILITY BILL. HOW MUCH IS THIS THOUGH? BECAUSE I HEAR, LIKE, I MEAN, PEOPLE'S ACCOUNTS ARE. AND SO THEY SCHEDULE AUTO PAYMENTS AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH WHEN THEY HAVEN'T PAID ATTENTION TO WHAT THE LEVEL WAS. SO IS THIS 2000 A MONTH? IS THIS 1000 A MONTH? I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS THE VALUE. I CAN TELL YOU THE FREQUENCY THAT'S I DON'T MEAN THAT. I DON'T MEAN IT'S NOT A THOUSAND. IT'S NOT A THOUSAND PEOPLE. NO IT'S NOT, IT'S QUITE A BIT LESS. IF IT WAS, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO OVERWHELM OUR CASHIERS. IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TURN OFF THAT APP. SO YEAH. YEAH. AND IT'S, IT'S IT HAPPENS BUT IT'S NOT A TON LIKE WE HAVE MAYBE A COUPLE A MONTH THAT GO THROUGH THAT WHERE THIS GETS A LITTLE BIT NUANCED IS WHEN IT'S A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER THAT HAS A HIGH VALUE, BUT YET WE STILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE, LIKE THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. IF THEY BALANCE THEIR CHECKS CONSECUTIVELY, THEY HAVE TO DO CASHIER'S CHECK OR MONEY ORDER OR CREDIT CARD OR CASH. OKAY. 
          [01:50:07]
THEN THE LAST THING WE WANTED TO GO OVER. FOR THE CHANGES, THE PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS, SO ON HERE, LIKE I WAS SAYING, WE WE TYPICALLY DO NOT DO PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS, BUT IF WE SEE A REASON FOR IT, WE WANTED WE WANTED SOMETHING IN HERE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT IF NEEDED. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE THE EXCEPTION IN HERE. FIRST IT TALKS ABOUT THE BANKRUPTCY. AND OF COURSE THAT'S AN EXCEPTION THAT WAS IN THE POLICY BEFORE. 
          AND THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST A LAW THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE OTHER PART ON SECTION B FOR REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS. WHEN ANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS, EITHER IDAHO FALLS POWER, PUBLIC WORKS, MUNICIPAL SERVICES, IF ANY OF THE DIRECTORS FEEL THAT WE SHOULDN'T DISCONNECT SOME OF THESE POWER FOR WHATEVER, WHATEVER REASON IT IS THAT THEY FEEL THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY WITH THIS POLICY TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM 30 EXTRA DAYS, BUT THEY IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY EITHER TWO DIRECTORS OR THEIR DELEGATES IN CASE THEIR DIRECTORS ARE OUT OF TOWN OR CAN'T BE REACHED. AND THEY HAVE A DELEGATE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THAT MAKE MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THEM TO ADD ANOTHER 30 DAYS FROM THEM BEING DISCONNECTED. IF THERE'S ANYTHING PAST THE 30 DAYS, THEN IT HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO TO APPROVE THEM TO GO ANY LONGER THAN THAT. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME ALSO SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE. THIS IS TYPICALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OR THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE THAT WE SEE THAT I WILL SAY THOUGH PREVIOUSLY WE DID PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS BEFORE 2018 AND IT WAS INCONSISTENT ALL OVER THE PLACE. THERE WAS NO EQUITY TO IT AND IT WAS. TRYING TO LOCK ALL OF IT. YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS ROUGH. AND SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD ARRANGEMENT, THAT WE JUST DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. AND UNLESS IT'S APPROVED BY THE DIRECTORS AND WE ALSO HAVE A SECTION THERE FOR EMERGENCIES LIKE WE HAD COVID HAPPEN AND WE SO WE WENT A PERIOD WITHOUT DOING ANY DISCONNECTS. AND SO WE HAD TO HURRY AND DO LIKE A KIND OF LIKE A REVISED POLICY JUST FOR THAT PERIOD. AND WE BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL. AND HOW DO YOU APPROVE THAT? SO THAT WAY WE WEREN'T DISCONNECTING PEOPLE DURING THAT DIFFICULT TIME. SURE. YEAH. I'LL DO THAT FOR YOU. OKAY. SO THERE'S THERE'S FOUR PAGES OF CHARTS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE HOPING TO KEEP AT EACH LOCATION, GET A PROFESSIONALLY MADE SO WE CAN HAND OUT TO PEOPLE AS WELL AND OR EMAIL IT OUT. AND THIS KIND OF JUST SHOWS THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS WHEN IT COMES FROM BILLING TO COLLECTIONS TO DISCONNECT. AND BECAUSE BY THE TIME DISCONNECT COMES AROUND, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO BILLS IN PLAY. AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR EVERYONE HOW THAT THAT PROCESS WORKS. AND THERE'S ONE FOR ALSO FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF CUSTOMERS ARE JUST ON AUTOPAY AT THIS STAGE? GO BACK FOUR YEARS AGO ROUGHLY IT WAS BACK THEN IT WAS IT WAS OVER 50%. IT WAS ON AUTOPAY. AND THAT'S WHY WE REALLY ENCOURAGE IS TO GET PEOPLE ON AUTOPAY, TO KEEP THEM FROM FORGETTING TO PAY THEIR BILLS. 
          SO SIX YEARS AGO, 75% PAID BY CHECK. AND WE GAVE A LONG TIME, EVEN OVER EIGHT YEARS AGO. SO EIGHT YEARS AGO WAS 75%. AND THEN WHEN JOSH WAS TREASURER, HE MADE A PUSH TO BE ACH, WE GET SOME CREDITS NOW IT'S DROPPED DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY WHERE WE USED TO GET TRAYS AND TRAYS OF MAIL. NOW WE'RE DOWN TO ONE TRAY. AND SO IT'S DEFINITELY HAS PUSHED A LOT TO ACH. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. ONE THING IS THE NUANCES WE HAVE IS PEOPLE FORGET THEY'RE ON ACH, THEY PAY CHECK TO AND SO THEY GET DOUBLE PAY AND THEY WANT THE MONEY BACK. SO THAT'S ALSO IN THE POLICY HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT. 
          AND IT USED TO BE THAT THEY WANTED IT WITHIN THE HOUR LIKE IT'S OKAY. SO IT WAS PRETTY A LITTLE FRUSTRATED. BUT WE GOT THAT ALL IRONED OUT. THE LONG TERM GOAL REALLY IS WHEN WE GET THE SOFTWARE THERE IS GO TO A PRE-PAID PROGRAM, NOT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT FOR THE ONES THAT WANT. UTILITIES HAVE GONE TO A PREPAID PREPAID. THEY PUT THE MONEY IN THEIR ACCOUNT AND METER SHUTS THEM OFF AUTOMATICALLY. THEY PUT MONEY BACK IN THE ACCOUNT AND TURN IT BACK ON. THAT'S EVERY UTILITY THAT'S DONE THAT HAS THAT GREAT SUCCESS WITH THAT. SO THE CRP PROGRAM IS ONE STEP, AND THEN THE NEXT SIS PROGRAM UPGRADE. THOSE ARE THE TWO PIECES TO GET THERE. BUT THAT THAT PUTS TOTAL CONTROL, WHETHER THEY HAVE LIGHTS AND HEAT IN THEIR HANDS AND TAKES IT OUT OF THE UTILITIES HANDS, WHICH WE'LL HAVE TO GO THERE. SO YEAH, THAT'S A LONG TERM GOAL. THAT'S GOING TO BE A SOFTWARE CHANGE TO GET TO THAT POINT. I PERSONALLY WAS ON PREPAID ARIZONA. I LOVED IT. SO THAT'S WHERE. BUT I WANT TO OPEN IT UP 
          [01:55:03]
TO QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE WITH THE POLICY OR CONCERNS, THINGS YOU WANT US TO CHANGE OR UPDATE. WE HAVE ONE OTHER THING. THESE GUYS WENT FAST, BUT IT'S JUST WORTH NOTING IN THERE FOR ALL OF OUR UTILITIES. SOMEBODY NEEDS WORK DONE. IF IT'S DURING BUSINESS HOURS, WE WILL GO DISCONNECT THAT SERVICE. THEY CAN HAVE THE WATER LINE FIXED POWER LINE FIXED OR METER PHASE FIXED, WHATEVER. WE DON'T CHARGE FOR THAT DURING STANDARD HOURS FOR UTILITY. SO THAT'S AND WE ENCOURAGE BECAUSE WE DON'T CUSTOMERS WILL TRY AND DO STUFF THEY SHOULDN'T UNDER ENERGIZED CIRCUITS. WE WILL COME DE-ENERGIZED YOUR CIRCUITS SO YOU CAN DO MAINTENANCE. AND THAT'S THE SERVICE WE PROVIDE AS A CITY AT NO COST. AND WE ALSO PUT IN THERE THAT THERE'S A LEAD TIME FOR THAT. SO THERE'S NOT. YEAH THERE'S A BROWN CHOCOLATE. YEAH. BY AND LARGE. JUST LET YOUR NEIGHBORS KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THEY WANT TO WORK ON. WE WILL ALWAYS COME HELP THEM OUT ON THAT. SO WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION IN OUR LAST POWER BOARD ABOUT THE TEXTING. AND WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THAT. OR WE ANY CLOSER TO THAT. SO THAT ONE I THINK IS ON ICE. WE WORKED WITH THE COMPANY. AND AS YOU SAW FROM THE PRESENTATION, IT WAS VERY POLISHED. THEY'RE UNDERGOING SOME CHANGES. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PAUSE ON THAT. I THINK WE WANT TO GET THROUGH WITH THE TEXTING SERVICE, BUT TEXT POWER IS AS A COMPANY HAS ONE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PUMP THE BRAKES A LITTLE BIT AND LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS. SO AND AS YOU GO TO A NEW SYSTEM THAT THAT SYSTEM COULD ALREADY HAVE THAT SERVICE. WANTED. YEAH. IT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE PUT IN THERE FOR TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. SO WE DO PLAN ON GOING THERE. BUT IT'S NOT WITH THAT OKAY. THEN ONE MORE QUESTION ON OUR ELECTRONIC BILLS. SOMEONE POINTED OUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ADDRESSES ON THEM. THEY WANTED TO USE IT TO SHOW THEIR RESIDENT CARD. 
          THAT'S JUST ONE THAT CAME IN RECENTLY. IS THERE A REASON WE WOULDN'T HAVE THEIR ADDRESS ON AN ELECTRONIC BILL? NO, THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT. WE CAN WE CAN PUT THE ADDRESS ON THERE. IT HAS THE ACCOUNT NUMBER ON THERE, AND IT HAS A LINK THAT THEY PUSH THE LINK IN IT. IT BRINGS THEM TO THEIR PHYSICAL BILL LIKE THE PDF BILL FOR. BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO GETTING THE ADDRESS ON THAT. THERE IS A LINK ON THAT ELECTRONIC BILL. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO IS RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR PII, WHICH IS PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY FOR EMAIL. SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S NOT THERE. THANK YOU. YEAH I SEEN THAT IN OTHER ENTITIES THAT DO THAT THERE IS A LOGIN. THERE'S A THAT MEANS THE EMAIL WOULD COME WITH THE PASSCODE. I ALSO DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE. NO OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE CAN STAY HERE. CAN YOU SAY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE. 
          [City Attorney, Police]
IT IS. OKAY. AND OUR FINAL ITEM FOR THE DAY IS ACTUALLY COMING TO US FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THIS IS FOR THE DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR THE ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING. THIS WE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE WILL SEE IT TODAY AT WORK SESSION, BUT IT IS NOT COMING ON THURSDAY. NO, IT'S NOT COMING ON THURSDAY. NO. 
          OKAY. YEAH. JUST TO WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. OH I GUESS WE HAVE A HAVE A BATHROOM BREAK. 
          WE JUST NEED ONE MORE. YEAH. WE'LL WAIT. WELL, LET'S LET'S WAIT ABOUT 3 OR 4 MINUTES AND SEE WHAT IT. OH, NOW WE DO OUR WORK WARM. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S OKAY. I'LL TAKE A LITTLE TRIP. OKAY. NO, WE'RE JUST GONNA WE WILL NOT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE A BREAK, BUT WE WILL GIVE THIS. OKAY? YES. COOL. THANKS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. WITH THE QUORUM ESTABLISHED, REESTABLISHED, WE WILL BEGIN WITH OUR. ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING ORDINANCE. THE REASON IT'S NOT COMING TO COUNCIL ON THURSDAY IS BECAUSE WE WANTED ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE POLICY OUT THERE AND THEN LET. JUST GIVE IT ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE COMMUNICATIONS GOING. AND I KNOW WE HAVE A TO BE IMPLEMENTED DATE, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO COME AS QUICK AS REVIEW ON MONDAY AND THEN ADOPTION ON THURSDAY. SO IF YOU ARE YOU ARE READY. YOU TOLD ME THAT I JUST FORGOT. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. BECAUSE WE DID HAVE WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACTUALLY GET A COMMUNICATIONS 
          [02:00:02]
PLAN TOGETHER TO KIND OF PUT THIS OUT THERE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY FOR BACK AND FORTH IN COMMUNICATIONS. SO WE WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO, I THINK, ZACH, ARE YOU GOING TO LEAD US OUT IN THIS ONE? YES. GREAT. SO THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS NOTED A PROBLEM WITH OVERSERVING ALCOHOL, AND IT'S LED TO VARIOUS ISSUES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO THEY HAVE REACHED OUT TO BOISE OR SOMEHOW BECAME AWARE ABOUT BOISE. BOISE YEARS BACK HAD A SIMILAR ISSUE, A SIMILAR CULTURAL ISSUE, AND WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS. AND PART OF THE WAY THAT THEY ADDRESSED THAT CULTURAL ISSUE IS BY REQUIRING ALCOHOL SERVER TRAINING FOR SERVERS OF ALCOHOL, SORT OF SERVING THAT RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, SIGNS OF IMPAIRMENT WHEN YOU NEED TO STOP SERVING THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE PREPARED, ON THE REQUEST OF IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT, PREPARED THIS DRAFT OF LEGISLATION OR ORDINANCE. ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS AND COUNCIL. MEMBER DAMON. KIND OF WORKING ON THIS THIS ORDINANCE. 
          SO IN SHORT, WHAT THIS ORDINANCE SEEKS TO DO, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THE REASON WHY THE ORDINANCE IS SO LONG? WE USED THE BOISE ORDINANCE AS A STARTING POINT. WE'VE TALKED WITH THE OFFICER OR ONE OF THE OFFICERS WITH THE BOISE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND GOT SOME INPUT AS TO WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAD CHANGED NOW THAT THEY'VE HAD SOME TIME TO FIT, AND WE'VE INCORPORATED SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK. IN ADDITION. BUT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT'S KIND OF LONG. AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT CODE SECTIONS. WE HAVE ONE FOR LIQUOR, ONE FOR BEER, ONE FOR WINE. AND SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE SPLIT INTO THREE SECTIONS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS KIND OF A LONGER ORDINANCE JUST BECAUSE IT'S MAKING THE SAME CHANGE THREE TIMES. ESSENTIALLY IT'S JUST WHEN YOU MAKE THIS POINT. WE'VE BEEN ONE THOUGHT PROCESS HAS BEEN TO PUT SANTA CLAUSES ON SOME OF THESE TO COME BACK SO THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT BOISE AND THEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK INTO SO YOU CAN SAY, OH, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS TWO YEARS, HERE'S WHAT WE FOUND, HERE'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO BETTER. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AS A, AS A COUNCIL THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OFTEN IN ORDINANCES, BECAUSE THERE'S IN GOVERNMENT, WE OFTEN DON'T FIND FEEDBACK LOOPS THAT TELL US WHETHER WE PASS SOMETHING. AND THEN TEN YEARS LATER, THIS IS REALLY NOT WORKING. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. OKAY. AND SO THE SO WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES IS IT SAYS STARTING JUNE 1ST, 2026, ALL SERVERS OF ALCOHOL AS WELL AS SECURITY PERSONNEL. THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES IN THE BOISE ORDINANCE. SECURITY PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, ANY ANY SECURITY AT A AT A LOCATION WHERE ALCOHOL IS SERVED, MUST HAVE A CERTIFICATE SHOWING THAT THEY'VE COMPLETED THIS ALCOHOL SERVING PROGRAM. IT ALSO APPLIES TO ANY MANAGERS OF SECURITY PERSONNEL OR ALCOHOL SERVERS. SO IF YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT STAGGERING THAT BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE 2000 PEOPLE OR 3000 PEOPLE GET THAT ALL DONE BY JUNE WAS THAT THEY CAN DO IT ONLINE SO THEY CAN DO 10,000 PEOPLE. YEAH. AND WE'VE ALREADY ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT STREAMLINED IS BOISE ALREADY HAS APPROVED PROGRAMS, AND WE'VE TAKEN THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT THE PROGRAM TRAINING IS GOING TO BE. IT'S LIKE FOOD SERVICE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. AND THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT I COULD SEE. BOISE WEBSITE I IMAGINE THE PLAN WOULD BE WE TAKE THAT. IN ADDITION, THEY'VE ALREADY IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ALREADY ON THE BALL. THEY'VE ALREADY ARRANGED FOR AN IN-PERSON, IN-PERSON TRAINING. 
          THIS TRAINING. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AND THEN WE WERE ASKED WHERE THIS IS NEW IF WE WOULD HOLD ONE IN MARCH, APRIL AND MAY, IF. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT QUARTERLY. 
          WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF VENUES. HAVE YOU GOT VENUES YET? WE'RE STILL WORKING ON VENUES. WE KNOW MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN AMERICA IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ONE OF OUR BIGGER VENDORS, AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO REACH OUT TO THEM THIS WEEK AND SEE IF THAT'S AN IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO ALLOW US TO HOST THEM THERE. YEAH. BOISE OFFICER WAS WAS IN THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ATTEND THESE TRAININGS. AND THE INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO COME TO THE IN PERSON, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY BETTER WHEN IT'S IN PERSON THAN JUST LIKE FEEDBACK. THE INCENTIVE IS THAT THEY USUALLY BOISE PROVIDES A FREE OF CHARGE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WOULD AS WELL WHAT'S THE COST ONLINE ROUGHLY. ANY IDEA 30, 40, 30, 40 BUCKS I'M GUESSING SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. 
          AND SO IT DOESN'T DOES MOUNTAIN AMERICAN. OH THEY DON'T SHOW MAYBE YOU KNOW DOES ANY VOLUNTEERS SERVE ALCOHOL OR ARE THEY ALL EMPLOYEES? I THINK THEY I THINK THEY'RE ALL EMPLOYEES. SO THEY JUST USE THE VOLUNTEER GROUPS THAT MONEY. WELL, I THINK TO SERVE LIKE SO ALL THE, THE ALCOHOL THAT IS IN THE VENDORS WHEN THEY DO LIKE THE FUNDRAISERS AND STUFF, I 
          [02:05:04]
THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THERE. YEAH, BECAUSE I'VE DONE IT FOR THE ROTARY WHERE WE JUST DO LIKE A PERSON OVERSEEING IT. I THINK IT JUST MAKES ME THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OF THAT GOING ON WITH THEM. THAT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION THOUGH. BUT WE DO HAVE A CHARITABLE, BENEVOLENT CAUSE SECTION. THAT'S THE ONLY. YEAH. AND FOR ANY CHARITABLE OR BENEVOLENT PURPOSE, THERE IS AN EXEMPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ONLY SERVE AT THOSE SO THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THIS. AND KIND OF THE THINKING THERE WAS FOR THESE EVENTS. QUITE OFTEN THEY'RE ONE OFF EVENTS, AND IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO PLAN IN ADVANCE. WELL, THEY DON'T REQUIRE THE SECURITY PEOPLE WHO ARE DRINKING. BUT IF THOSE EVENTS RECURRENCE OR SOME OTHER KIND OF WELL, THAT WAS WHAT I THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH IT ALL THE WAY AND MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, IS JUST HAVE YOU WORK THROUGH THE POLICY AND THEN WE CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS. 
          BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT SECURITY PERSON, BECAUSE IT'S ANY PERSON WHO, AS A REQUIREMENT OF A HERS OR HER EMPLOYMENT, PROVIDE SECURITY SERVICES AT PREMISES OR AT ANY LOCATION WHERE ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED. I MEAN, THERE ARE LOTS OF SECURITY, TRIDENT, AND ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE OFFERING SECURITY. RIGHT? LIKE SECURITY. AND THEY ALL HAVE TO BE TRAINED. 
          YES. ALIVE AFTER FIVE OF THOSE, ANY ANY OF THOSE? FOR HIRE SECURITY, WHETHER IT'S FARMERS MARKET, RIGHT. SO ALCOHOL THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT SERVING ALCOHOL WELL AFTER 12. THEY ARE. 
          SO THERE IS OH APPARENTLY THERE IS. YES, THERE IS ALCOHOL SERVED AT FARMERS MARKET. 
          SOILED DOVE HAD A CATERING PERMIT THROUGH OUR OFFICE LAST YEAR, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY PLAN ON DOING IT AGAIN THIS YEAR. I GUESS WE MISSED IT. AND AND AND THEY WANT TO DO IT A DIFFERENT TIME. I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO, BUT HE APPROACHED ME ABOUT SHIFTING. 
          IT ONLY ALLOWED FROM TEN TO NOON OR SOMETHING AT THE FARMERS MARKET. I THINK THAT QUESTION, THAT QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP TO OUR OFFICE AS WELL. WE DEFERRED BACK TO THE FARMERS MARKET, WHO HAS THE OVERALL SAY IN WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THEIR EVENT, AND THEY HAVE WORKED SOMETHING OUT. THAT'S NOT NOT GOING TO BE MORE OKAY. OKAY, SO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THAN THE ORIGINAL QUESTION. ANY. VENUE WHO IS SERVING ANY ALCOHOL, ALL OF THEIR SECURITY PERSONNEL WILL HAVE TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS TRAINING COURSE, HAS TO BE ON PREMISES, WHICH ARE THE WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED, WHERE LICENSEE IS ALLOWED TO SELL ALCOHOL, OR AT A LOCATION FOR WHICH A PERMIT. SO IT'S ONLY AT THOSE LOCATIONS, ONLY PREMISES AND ONLY ALCOHOL PERMIT LOCATION. AND THAT'S BOTH FOR SECURITY PERSON AND FOR SERVICE OF ALCOHOL. OKAY. 
          DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR? YES. OKAY. IS IT COMPLICATED TO ANYBODY ON WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS? IS IT WHAT COMPLICATED? THAT IT'S A LONG DEFINITION. OKAY, OKAY. BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU TRY TO BE PRECISE, YOU SACRIFICE CONCISENESS FOR BEING PRECISE. 
          OKAY. SO AGAIN, THE COUNCIL'S, YOU KNOW, FREE TO CHANGE. OF COURSE IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE A DIFFERENT EFFECTIVE DATE. WE HAD JUST SETTLED ON JUNE 1ST. IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS ENOUGH TIME TO GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED. SO AS OF JUNE 1ST THIS YEAR, IF THIS ORDINANCE WERE TO PASS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AT THAT AS OF THAT DATE. NOW THERE IS. IN THE IN THE ORDINANCE, IT IS DRAFTED RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEBODY STARTS EMPLOYMENT, THEY HAVE 60 DAYS IN WHICH TO COMPLETE ALCOHOL CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE FROM DAY ONE TO DO THAT. SO LIKE LET'S SAY SOMEBODY STARTS WORKING AS AN ALCOHOL SERVER ON MAY 1ST, 2026. WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE UNTIL JULY 1ST, 2026 TO BE ABLE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THIS. SO AND I'M JUST KIND OF DOING THE HIGH LEVEL. WE'LL GO THROUGH IT SO YOU CAN SEE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE. THE BASIC IDEA IS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THIS CERTIFICATE. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN IT CURRENT, WHICH IS EVERY THREE YEARS THEY HAVE TO RENEW IT AT LEAST EVERY THREE YEARS. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE CERTIFICATES AND PROVIDE THEM TO LAW ENFORCEMENT UPON REQUEST OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, AS WELL AS LICENSEES ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THAT ON HAND. SO IF AN OFFICER COMES UP AND SAYS, HEY, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM, CAN I JUST CHECK TO MAKE SURE THEY'VE GOT 
          [02:10:03]
THEIR CERTIFICATE SHOWING ALCOHOL TRAINING? THEY'VE GOT TO PROVIDE IT. IS IT COPIES? SO LIKE IF I'M WORKING SOMEPLACE AND THERE'S A COPY OF THEM IN THE BOOK, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT ON MY PERSON, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE RIGHT THERE? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THEIR PERSON, JUST LIKE THE EMPLOYER WILL HOLD ON TO THOSE, RIGHT? YEAH, FOR SURE. AND POTENTIALLY THE THE SERVER. AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IMMEDIATE AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THEY CAN GET IT TO A POLICE OFFICER THAT'S FINE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO PRODUCE IT OR, OR FOR IT TO BE ON THEIR PERSON. ANOTHER WAY TO CHECK FOR COMPLIANCE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE BOISE CODE IS. OUR CITY CLERK RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAVE A COMPLIANCE CHECK AS PART OF A RENEWAL PROCESS FOR APPLYING FOR ALCOHOL LICENSE, AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS IS THE LICENSEE OR POTENTIAL LICENSEE WOULD LIST THE EMPLOYEES WHO SERVE AS ALCOHOL SERVERS OR SECURITY PERSONNEL, LIST THEIR BEGINNING DATE OF EMPLOYMENT, AND THEN PROVIDE COPIES OF ANY CERTIFICATE OF THE CERTIFICATES IN THE LAST THREE YEARS FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES. SO IT MAKES IT VERY EASY FOR THE CITY CLERK TO CHECK, TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH AND EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO NEEDS TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE, IN FACT, HAS ONE, AND ALSO BY HAVING IT THERE, IT'S GOING TO ALERT THE THE LICENSEE. HEY, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S CURRENT IS JUST GOING TO BE PART OF THEIR PROCESS, OR CHECKING HELPS THE LICENSEE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. AND IS THAT I'M SORRY, BUT IS THAT FOR TWO FOR APPLICATION FOR LICENSE D? IS THAT WHAT COVERS THAT? IS THAT WHY D IS THERE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CLERK NEEDS. I'M ASSUMING SO BECAUSE SHE HASN'T TOLD ME OTHERWISE. I'M TRYING TO GET THERE. IT'S ON PAGE FOUR OF THE ORDINANCE. IS IT ON PAGE 3 OR 4? THREE. I'M SORRY THREE. MIDDLE PAGE THREE. IT'S THE SAME. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD BE EASY FOR THE CLERK, BUT AS A BUSINESS BUSINESSES, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HARD. I MEAN, LIKE, OH, TO BRING UP THE DATE OF BEGINNING EMPLOYMENT. I MEAN, I KNOW PROBABLY WE HAVE AN I-9, BUT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S IT'S CALLED AN I-9 THAT WE DO WITH OUR EMPLOYEES. LIKE YOUR BEGINNING DATE. BARTENDERS ARE NOTORIOUSLY HIRED ONE NIGHT, AND SERVE THE NEXT DAY. BUT I THINK IT'S I LIKE THE CONCEPT. I JUST WONDER HOW, LIKE, WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN TO GET THEIR PERMIT, COME TO, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR LICENSE, NOT A PERMIT, BUT THE THEIR LICENSE. AND THEY HAVE ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES HIRED DATES, I GUESS. WE DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL, BUT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A HARD I MEAN, PERSONALLY, THAT SEEMS REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN ASK ABOUT. WE HAVE SOME TIME THAT WE CAN ASK SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND SAY, IS THIS BURDENSOME OR IS THIS GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT? LIKE, IS THERE A BETTER WAY? YEAH. MAYOR. YES, IT IS ADDITIONAL WORK FOR THE EMPLOYER. AND THE ONLY REASON IT WAS REALLY BROUGHT UP WAS TO HAVE IT AS A WAY TO GIVE AN ANNUAL REMINDER. THAT WAS THE MAIN PURPOSE BEHIND THAT SUGGESTION WAS TO GIVE AN ANNUAL REMINDER TO THE LICENSEES SO THAT OTHERWISE, THE ONLY REMINDER IS GOING TO BE WHEN PD WALKS INTO THEIR BAR AND ASKS FOR IT. AND SO THIS WAS NOW WE COULD INCORPORATE IT INTO MORE OF THE LANGUAGE ON WHAT THEY'RE CERTIFYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AS PART OF THAT LICENSEE. OKAY APPLICATION AND WHAT RULES THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW. THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S ALTERNATIVES. BUT THAT THE REASON THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS BECAUSE IT WILL GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE BUSINESSES TO BE REMINDED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THIS LASTS FOR THREE YEARS. THE TRAINING IS THAT RIGHT? THE CERTIFICATION IS A THREE YEAR THING. A LOT OF ONLINE PLATFORMS LIKE WHEN THE WHEN WHOEVER'S TAKING IT RIGHT, THEY GIVE THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS AND THEY GET A REMINDER THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU'RE ABOUT TO EXPIRE. OH, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL SAY IT'S WE'RE JUST REQUIRING THEM TO TAKE ONE OF THESE COURSES ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS. 
          YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I'M YEAH, I'M IF THEY'RE VALID AND CERTIFIED FOR THREE YEARS, DO THEY NEED TO BE DO THEY NEED TO BE TOLD ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WHERE THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE AT OR. I MEAN, IF I'M A IF I'M SOMEBODY WHO'S SERVING ALCOHOL AND IT'S ON, I GUESS BECAUSE THIS IS TRYING TO YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP THE EMPLOYER VERSUS THE EMPLOYEE WITH THIS. WELL, IT HELPS THE EMPLOYEE AS WELL. BUT THE I MEAN, THE EMPLOYEE LIKELY WILL GET NOTIFIED BY WHATEVER COURSE THAT THEY TOOK THAT YOUR CERTIFICATION IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE. I DON'T AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN EXPIRATION DATE SET BY THE COURSE PROVIDER. AND I THINK IT DIFFERS BY MUNICIPALITY OR BY STATE. YES, YES. AND SO MY MY ASSUMPTION IS THEY JUST SAY HERE'S A 
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CERTIFICATE AND THAT'S END OF STORY. YEAH. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE LEGALLY IN CONTROL. HOW LONG IT'S GOOD FOR. AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT RULES, DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO BUT THREE WAS WHEN I DID SOME RESEARCH, THREE WAS SEEMED TO BE ON PAR FOR WHAT'S REQUIRED OR FOR FOR WHAT I COULD SEE AS FAR AS WHAT THEY, THEY PUT ON THEIR OWN CERTIFICATES MOST OF THE TIME. 
          WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, THE REASON THAT I RAISED THAT QUESTION IS IF IT IS ONEROUS ON BUSINESS PEOPLE, THE BUSINESS OWNER, THE APPLYING FOR THE LICENSE, IT COULD SAY THAT THE LICENSE, THE PERSON APPLYING FOR THE LICENSE VERIFIES THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES WILL BE CERTIFIED OR WHATEVER, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE LIST. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TURNOVER IN THE IN THE SERVICE OF ALCOHOL INDUSTRY, I THINK. 
          SO ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO CATCH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE? IN OTHER WORDS, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE CERTIFIED AFTER THIS APPLICATION COMES IN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T? OKAY. ARE YOU SAYING THERE MIGHT BE TIMES WHERE IN BETWEEN THE YEAR THEY MIGHT HAVE AN EMPLOYEE POP IN AND OUT? IT'S NOT CERTIFIED OR SEVERAL EMPLOYEES POP IN AND OUT AND THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED FOR 60 DAYS. THEN THEY GET CERTIFIED. AND THAT WOULDN'T CATCH THOSE THOSE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY WILL ONLY BE REQUIRING THEM. SO IF IT'S JUST IF IT'S MOSTLY MEANT TO BE A REMINDER TO EMPLOYEES TO TO PEOPLE APPLYING FOR A LICENSE. WE COULD WORD THAT DIFFERENTLY. YEAH. AND IF THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE, THAT WOULD MEAN LESS ONEROUS ON, ON ON THE BUSINESS PERSON TO GET THERE AND THEN SAY LIKE, OH, I'VE GOT TO GO GET ALL MY EMPLOYEES AND THEIR START DATES. I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE A YOU COULD DO. BECAUSE IF THE MAIN REASON IS TO REMIND THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE CERTIFIED EMPLOYEES, WE COULD WORD THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY IN THE APPLICATION. YEAH, I THINK IT'S TWOFOLD. ONE, ONE PURPOSE IS THE REMINDER. THE SECOND IS IT MAKES IT EASY FOR THE CLERK TO CHECK. ARE YOU ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING IT? SHOW ME. SHOW ME THE MATH INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING SCIENCE AND MATH. 
          BUT IT'S UP TO THE WILL OF COUNCIL, WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO ADDRESS. HERE'S MY THOUGHT. 
          IS THAT A SWORN AFFIDAVIT AT THE TIME SAYING, HEY, WE DON'T LIKE OUR SERVERS SERVE WITHOUT A LICENSE OR WITHIN THE 60 DAY TRAINING PERIOD, THEY'LL HAVE LICENSE. AND THAT'S WHAT I ENFORCE, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND SEE WHEN THEY GET SERVED AND THEN SEE 60 DAYS. 
          ARE THEY IN THE WINDOW? ARE THEY NOT IN THE WINDOW? BECAUSE FROM A PAYROLL CLERK STANDPOINT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRINTING YOUR PAYROLL. YOU'RE GOING TO BE SAYING IN 60 DAYS AND WHICH ONE? IT'S IT'S LIKE YOU'RE INSTITUTING YOUR PRESCHOOL THING. LIKE IT'S A LOT OF DETAIL FOR EVERY BUSINESS. BUT A SWORN AFFIDAVIT, IF YOUR PURPOSE WAS, THEY JUST NEED TO REMEMBER IT. SO EVERY YEAR WHEN THEY DO THEIR ALCOHOL LICENSE, THEY JUST DO A SWORN AFFIDAVIT THAT OUR POLICY IS THAT NO ONE CAN SERVE ALCOHOL WITHOUT THIS LICENSE OR 60 DAYS. THAT TO ME, WOULD UNBURDEN YOU AND THEN BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE, HEY, I HAVE TO SIGN THIS. AND IT'S A SEPARATE PART THAT I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT ONLY THE ANNUAL REMINDER, BUT ALSO ANOTHER WAY TO REMIND THE LICENSEE THAT THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES HAVE DONE THIS CERTIFICATION. SO YEAH, I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH WITH THAT THAN TO BE DO THE MORE ONEROUS ONE. I THINK IT'S LIKE THEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU GO IN AND THERE'S A BUSINESS, A BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU OR, YOU KNOW, HERE'S MY BUSINESS LICENSE AND IT'S TAPED UP, IT'S LIKE THAT'S THEIR THAT'S THEIR LICENSE TO OPERATE THEIR ALCOHOL PERMITS. AND IT'S LIKE THEY CAN HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF THING FOR THEIR SERVERS. WELL, WHAT I'M THINKING IS THAT ALSO WILL NEVER BE A TOTALLY ACCURATE LIST OF CERTIFIED PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE TURNOVER. 
          THE DAY AFTER HE TURNS, THE PERSON TURNS THAT IN. YEAH. AND SO NOT EVERY EMPLOYMENT IS REGULAR EMPLOYMENT. IT'S LIKE, OH YEAH, THEY CAME AND WORKED FOR US. WE KEPT THEM ON THE BOOKS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST STILL LISTED AS YOUR EMPLOYEES, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS FULL TIME. I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERY YEAR. SO IT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S JUST YOU COMING IN AND THE ROUTINE AND IT GETS AWAY FROM US. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE ALL THAT OFTEN. I WOULD JUST SAY, LET'S LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO WORD IT. IF THERE'S LESS ONEROUS ON THE BUSINESS OWNER, WOULD YOU LIKE SOMETHING LIKE AN AFFIDAVIT STATING THAT THE LICENSEES AND COMPLIANCE WITH THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CODE OF POLICY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR JUST JUST CALL OUT THE SECTION OF THE CODE, THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE CERTIFICATES FOR EACH AND EVERY EMPLOYEE. AND IS THERE A IS THERE A CONSEQUENCE IF THEY DON'T ANYWAY, THEY DON'T HAVE A LICENSE. THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY 
          [02:20:01]
GOOD. YEAH. THEY ULTIMATELY THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S FOR THIS PARTICULAR PART. THE THE THE OTHER PART IS IF THEY FAIL, IF THEY'RE CAUGHT NOT HAVING ONE INDIVIDUALS, THEN IT'S A MISDEMEANOR FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AND A MISDEMEANOR FOR LICENSING. WELL THAT'S GOOD. SO I THINK THAT'S AN AFFIDAVIT OF THAT STATED WILL BE ENOUGH. OKAY. IS THAT THE WILL OF COUNCIL? I CAN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT OR IF YOU'RE NODDING HEADS. AND I LIKE HAVING THAT BE ON THE BUSINESS ITSELF. YEAH. OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE ABOUT THE PENALTY PART OF IT THOUGH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO WE GIVE THEM A, GIVE THEM A SECOND CHANCE. DO YOU GIVE THEM A THEY GOT THAT RIGHT OKAY. THERE. IT ESCALATES I MEAN YOU'RE NOT GONNA YEAH. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE YOUR YOU'RE NOT ON STRIKE ONE. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT I REMEMBER THAT. WELL THE VERY FIRST ONE IS IT SAYS IT'S IT'S ANY PERSON VIOLATING ANY PROVISION SHALL BE GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR. RIGHT. BUT THEY DON'T LOSE THEIR LICENSE FOR. OH YEAH. ESCALATING IN THAT SENSE. YEAH. AND I'M NOT SURE I THOUGHT THAT JIM, DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT WHERE THERE WAS. YEAH, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. YEAH I MEAN WE, I MEAN I WOULD RATHER START WITH AN INFRACTION. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A WARNING. YEAH, THERE COULD BE A WARNING AND INFRACTION AND THEN A MISDEMEANOR. I GET A LITTLE WORRIED. JUST GO STRAIGHT TO A MISDEMEANOR. NO ONE WILL BE. THAT'S THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. I. 
          WE'LL LET YOU KNOW QUITE OFTEN THE PROSECUTION FOR THINGS LIKE THIS. WE'RE LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE. RIGHT. SO QUITE OFTEN WE WILL DISMISS OR REDUCE TO AN INFRACTION FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE DRIVING WITHOUT PRIVILEGES OR NO INSURANCE. MISDEMEANORS WILL SAY, HEY, IF YOU CAN SHOW US YOU GOT THE INSURANCE, WE'LL PROBABLY DO AN INFRACTION OR FOR DOG ISSUES, I HAVE TO DISMISS A DOG BARKING CHARGE ONCE THEY SHOW YOU THAT THEY FIXED THE ISSUE. SO. BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE AN IMPRESSION, I WILL SAY IT MAKES IT. IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW. I GUESS THE LEVEL OF PENALTY KIND OF WILL. THAT'S KIND OF THE STICK, RIGHT? INCENTIVIZE. BUT IT'S UP TO COUNCIL. AND I WILL SAY IF YOU IF YOU STACK IT BECAUSE YOU COULD START BY MAKING THE FIRST ONE INFRACTION, THE SECOND ONE A MISDEMEANOR, I WILL SAY THAT IT IS IT IS HARD TO GET. THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF SOMEBODY IS A REPEAT OFFENDER. THEY'LL GET A BUNCH OF A BUNCH OF INFRACTIONS ALL AT ONCE. BUT BUT AT THE TIME YOU'VE GOT THOSE INFRACTIONS, YOU DON'T HAVE A PRIOR CONVICTION. AND SO IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY BE CHARGED WITH A MISDEMEANOR. WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IS WE'D HAVE TO GET A CONVICTION ON ONE OF THESE FRACTIONS AND THEN AMEND THE SUBSEQUENT INFRACTIONS TO MISDEMEANORS BASED ON THE CONVICTION. BUT THAT'S AND SO IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT EVEN FOR LIKE A ONE YEAR, YOU KNOW, WITHIN ONE YEAR. SOMETIMES CASES DON'T GET SETTLED OR RESOLVED WITHIN A YEAR. IT'S IT'S ALSO DIFFICULT NOT TO KNOW WHAT A PERSON'S CRIMINAL HISTORY IS WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY WITNESSING THE VIOLATION. IS THIS YOUR FIRST OFFENSE, SECOND OFFENSE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO IT IT MAKES OUR JOB DIFFICULT TO REWRITE THE INFRACTION OR AT THE. OH WELL WE WE TALKED ABOUT POLICE HAVING THE PROBLEM OF THE ONLY PENALTY THEY HAD PRIOR TO THIS WAS TO REVOKE THE LICENSE ENTIRELY. AND THAT SEEMED LIKE A HARD STEP RIGHT AWAY FOR A FIRST OFFENSE. SO YEAH, IT COULD'VE JUST BEEN AN OVERSIGHT. YEAH. SO I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER MISDEMEANOR IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN LIAISON IS YOU SAID RIGHT AWAY WE WANT COMPLIANCE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO CALL A PERSON OR WHATEVER. IT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO COURT. DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? YOU GET A MISDEMEANOR AND YOU'RE GOING TO TALK TO THEM. WELL, IF THEY'RE CHARGED AT THAT POINT IN MY OFFICE TAKES OVER. YEAH. THEY WILL APPEAR IN COURT, BE ARRAIGNED ON IT, APPOINT AN ATTORNEY. OKAY, OKAY. 
          BUT TYPICALLY WE ARE LOOKING OUR OFFICE IS LOOKING FOR JUST COMPLIANCE. JUST AND AND PROBABLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY AT THE BEGINNING, WE'D SAY, HEY, JUST GET IT DONE AND THEN WE'LL DISMISS IT, OKAY? BECAUSE IS IT EASIER IN THE FIELD TO JUST MAKE THEM ALL INFRACTIONS? AND THEN IN THE ORDINANCE IT SAYS THIS IS YOUR THIRD INFRACTION. 
          THE CONSEQUENCES COME FROM HOW MANY THERE ARE. BUT THEN AS AN OFFICER YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH. THAT. I WOULD THINK IT MAKES OUR LIFE EASIER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WHAT IT DOES IN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IT'S COMPLICATED TO. SO KIND OF LIKE INSURANCE. LIKE IF YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE UP TO DATE. RIGHT. EVERYONE KIND OF UNDERSTANDS THAT IF YOU BRING IN YOUR INSURANCE, IT'S IT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER IS COMPLIANCE. YEAH. SO MY GUT SAYS DO THEM ALL IS ONE OR THE OTHER MISDEMEANOR OR INFRACTION SO THAT OUR OFFICERS DON'T HAVE TO LOOK UP THE DATA. AND THEN IT'S JUST DONE IN THE BACK END. IF THIS IS THEIR SECOND INFRACTION THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET CHARGED WITH A MISDEMEANOR. AND THAT'S PART OF 
          [02:25:02]
THE AUDIT. THAT'S JUST THE THOUGHT. AND THE ONLY ONLY POTENTIAL PROBLEM IS SOMETHING WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HEAVY CASELOAD AND WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING THROUGH AND CHECKING THE BACKGROUND, BECAUSE WHEN THEY DO THE PRETRIAL SERVICES REPORT THAT WE GET AS PART OF THEIR CRIMINAL HISTORY, WE DON'T GET THEIR INFRACTIONS TYPICALLY. 
          AND SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK THROUGH EVERY WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO I THINK JUST KEEP WORKING THROUGH THAT BECAUSE I THINK, WELL, YEAH. AND I IF YOU WANT IF YOU THERE ARE OPTIONS. YOUR OPTIONS ARE JUST MAKE IT ONLY A FRACTION MAKE IT ONLY MISDEMEANOR OR MAKING IT STACKING, YOU KNOW FIRST ONE'S FIRST ONE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW INFRACTION. THEN THIRD ONE WITHIN ANOTHER PERIOD OF TIME IS A MISDEMEANOR OR INFRACTION. AND IT'S JUST THIS IS REALLY A LEGISLATIVE DECISION WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE. AND IT KIND OF IS THE YOU KNOW, IT'S THE LEVEL OF SEVERITY, HOW SERIOUSLY YOU WANT THIS TO BE TAKEN. AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT IS ONE, CONSIDERING WHAT THE POTENTIAL PENALTY IS, IS THE CONSEQUENCES FOR SOCIETY. WHEN THERE IS OVER POURING, IT CAN LEAD TO POTENTIALLY DUI DEATH, CAUSE ACCIDENTS. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE. I'D LIKE TO THE POLICE TO TELL US LIKE THIS IS THIS IS BETTER THAN YOU'RE HAVING TO REVOKE A LICENSE FOR SOMEBODY, RIGHT? YES. SO IS HOW DO HOW DID THE OFFICER GOING INTO A PLACE FINDS OUT SOMEBODY SERVING IS NOT CERTIFIED? ARE THEY GOOD SAYING THIS IS A MISDEMEANOR OR IS THAT TOO HARSH FOR THE FIRST TIME? OR HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU FEEL THE ENFORCEMENT. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS TO ME TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ENFORCED AS WE WRITE IT IS WHAT MATTERS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE PENALTY IS TOO STRICT THE FIRST TIME. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING, THEN WE NEED TO REWRITE THE ORDINANCE AT THAT. OKAY. I THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE. IT CAN ALWAYS IT CAN ALWAYS BE DISMISSED AT THE PROSECUTOR LEVEL. IT CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDED AT THE PROSECUTOR LEVEL. I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THIS. AND I ALSO LOOK AT WE'RE LOOKING 2 TO 4 HOURS EVERY THREE YEARS IS WHAT THIS TRAINING ENTAILS. AND THE COMMUNITY. AS THE ATTORNEY WAS SAYING I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR TWO. I THINK SOME ONLINE TRAININGS ARE UP TO FOUR HOURS EVERY THREE YEARS. 
          AND IN IT'S OUR BUSINESS OWNERS, OUR ESTABLISHMENTS. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND. 
          THEY PAY. THEY PLAY A KEY ROLE IN MONITORING THIS AND KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK MISDEMEANOR IS APPROPRIATE FOR FOR LEAVING MISDEMEANOR. AND I WILL NOTE BOISE'S CODE AT LEAST IS MISDEMEANOR. BUT FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH, I THINK WHATEVER WE DO, THE END RESULT NEEDS TO BE THIS GOOD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE TWO TIMES IN YOUR OR BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES ARE GETTING THEM AT THE SAME TIME AS THE OBSERVER, RIGHT. YOU SAID YEAH, YEAH. SO WHAT'S THE WHAT'S HOW MANY TIMES IS RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW AS OUR OFFICE QUITE OFTEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE'LL SEE THE WE START SEEING FREQUENT FLIERS WHERE LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE MESSAGE ANY EXISTING NOW. YEAH. OR IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SERIOUS. I WOULD PREFER THE INFRACTIONS. AND THEN ON THE THIRD TIME IT HAPPENS AT A BAR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE PRESENT, THEN IT'S A FELONY. LIKE, LET'S GET SERIOUS. WE CAN'T DO FELONIES. OF COURSE, THESE PEOPLE DOWN AT SOME POINT. WELL, YOU CAN CLOSE THEM DOWN BY REVOKING THEIR PERMIT. YEAH. 
          PULL THE LICENSE. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. I MEAN, THAT'S THE BIGGER FEAR. THAT'S THE STICK. 
          IT'S NOT JUST REPEATED. THEY'RE THEY'RE JUST MISSING WORK TO GO TO WORK. AND THEN YOU'RE ■GOING TO GO TO COURT DATE. LIKE TO ME I THINK WHATEVER IT IS, WE JUST GET TO THE POINT WHERE. THE HAMMER, I MEAN, AND WE COULD ADD THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, REPEATED OFFENSES FOR LICENSING SHALL LEAD TO THE REVOCATION OF THEIR ALCOHOL LICENSE. THEY SHOULD. THAT'S POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN. YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT FOR SURE. YEAH. BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEN THERE'S NO AND MAYBE NOT A NUMBER, BUT MAYBE IT COMES TO US OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE. THERE SHOULD BE MULTIPLE AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VIOLATIONS. IF IT'S 5 OR 4 I MEAN, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT? YOU'VE BEEN OUT DOING THIS. YOU'RE SEEING IT ALREADY. AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS IN BOISE'S NUMBERS. IS IT LIKE WE'RE ISSUING 200 MISDEMEANORS A YEAR, OR ARE THEY ISSUING 2000 A YEAR? WE NOW KNOW THAT BETWEEN THEIR STATE TRAININGS, AND I THINK MOST OF THE VALLEY'S ACTUALLY JUMPED ON BOARD WITH THIS. AND I THINK MAYBE HAVE WE WORKED WITH THAT IS IF THERE HAS BEEN MORE THAN ONE VIOLATION AT THE TIME OF 
          [02:30:03]
THEIR RENEWAL EVERY YEAR, MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE HAVE IN HERE OF, HEY, THIS THIS ESTABLISHMENT HAD MORE THAN ONE VIOLATION. THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET THEIR LICENSE AGAIN THIS YEAR. DO WE HAVE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS WOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT COMES TO COUNCIL, PUT THEM ON DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION. AND IF THEY GET AGAIN THEY LOSE THEIR LICENSE. YEAH. JUST SOMETHING SO THAT THEY DON'T JUST PAY US MORE. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT THEY CAN'T RENEW OR THAT HAS TO COME TO US. OR DO YOU WANT A REVOCATION PROCEEDING? YEAH. PROCEEDING. DO REVOCATION PROCEEDING. AND THAT DOES INCLUDE COMING TO COUNCIL. YEAH I THINK GETTING CAUGHT IN HERE I HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT WOULD GET YOU TO GOING TO COME AND SIT AND PLEAD YOUR CASE. YEAH. HOW MANY CONVICTIONS WITHIN A YEAR. ONE OF THE ONE I THINK FOR 3 OR 4. DO YOU THINK THAT ONE. I JUST THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE BECAUSE THE BUSINESS OWNER DOESN'T. IT'S LIKE, DO YOU HAVE CONCRETE CONTROL OF YOUR KIDS? IT'S LIKE YOU'RE. YES. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT. I DEFER. WELL, I GUESS IT MATTERS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO CONVICTIONS OR JUST INCIDENTS OF NOT HAVING IT. IT'S GOING TO BE THIS SERIOUS ABOUT CONVICTIONS WOULD MEAN THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO WORK WITH THEM AND TRY TO GET COMPLIANCE. AND THEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY, TYPICALLY WE WOULD DISMISS. BUT THEN IF THEY WANT TO SUCCEED WE DON'T WANT TO. YEAH. YEAH WE'RE LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE. YEAH. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. YEAH. WE WANT YEAH. WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND ENJOY THEMSELVES. SO YOU WANT TO SAY MORE THAN ONE PRIOR CONVICTION IN A YEAR I WOULD DO 2 OR 3. TWO. I JUST DON'T THINK BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES THAT JUST SCREW UP. BUT BUT BUT AGAIN, WHAT HE'S SAYING, IF CONVICTION IS AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY COME AND THEY, THEY BASICALLY SAID, YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF STICK IT TO THE POLICY. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. SO WHATEVER. SO TO ME IF THEY'RE CONVICTED ONCE YOU'VE ALREADY, THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH AND YOU'VE ALREADY TRIED TO WORK WITH THEM FROM WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. RIGHT. AND THEY WERE CONVICTED BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO COMPLY AND DO WHAT THEY NEEDED TO TO FOLLOW. IT IS WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          SO THAT'S THE CASE. LIKE IT HAPPENED MORE THAN ONCE. AND THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY SAYING, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO AVOID FOR YOUR RESULTS. I WOULD AGREE WITH MORE THAN ONE CONVICTION AT LEAST COMING IN HERE, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST YEAR. YEAH. AND LIKE YOU SAID, WE WANT THEM TO SUCCEED. THIS ISN'T. BUT BUT THEN YOU CAN COME IN HERE AND EXPLAIN WHY YOU REFUSE TO DO IT. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE. 
          YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE TWO, 2 OR 3. I'M SAYING MORE THAN ONE CONVICTION. AND THIS IS WHY, OKAY, THIS ALCOHOL CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NEW TO OUR AREA. BASICALLY WE'RE WE'RE GROWING. OUR DOWNTOWN AREA IS GROWING. SO WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE A LOT MORE ISSUES. SO WE'RE BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THIS PROBLEM. AND. AGAIN, A KEY PART OF THIS IS THE OVER SERVICE FOR SALE. AND IT'S NOT A TON OF TIME. THAT'S WHY WE'RE OFFERING THE FREE TRAININGS. IF THE EMPLOYER DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS TRAINING, AND IT IS FAIRLY STANDARD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT BUSINESS OWNERS WE HAVE HERE, BUT MOST RESTAURANTS, MOST, YOU KNOW, OLIVE GARDEN, LONGHORN, THIS IS ALL PART OF THE HIRING PROCESS. I THINK THE. YES. SO I THINK IT ALSO THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IN YOUR ORDINANCE OR NOT, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWS FOR THE EXACT CAUSE THAT SAVES MONEY FOR THE BUSINESSES AND STUFF, I THINK MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL SAY TOO. AND WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING OUR BAR CHECKS. AND SO RIGHT NOW THAT AS FAR AS THE CITY HAS GONE, THEY RELIED ON IDAHO STATE POLICE, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY HAVE 6 OR 7 EDC. SO ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL OFFICERS FOR THE ENTIRE STATE. SO FOR DISTRICT, YES. SO IT'S REALLY NOT GETTING DONE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING. WHEN I CAME INTO THIS POSITION AND WAS LIKE HEY, LET'S INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH THE CONSEQUENCES EVERY WEEKEND OR EVERY NIGHT, WHY AREN'T WE DEALING WITH THE PROBLEM? AND THE TRUTH IS, RIGHT NOW THERE'S THREE OF US TO CHECK 156 BUSINESSES IN IDAHO FALLS. MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE'LL GET SOME MORE. BUT THE REALITY OF US GETTING MOST OF THESE ESTABLISHMENTS WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO ONCE A YEAR 
          [02:35:02]
AND JUST DO A QUICK CHECK, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE CERTIFICATES. SO IF WE MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, FIVE VIOLATIONS, I MIGHT NOT I MIGHT ONLY GET INTO OLIVE GARDEN ONCE THIS YEAR AND DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO IN FIVE TIMES. SO IF WE DO. MAKE LEVELS OF THIS, IT MAY BE 4 OR 5 YEARS BEFORE WE GET IN THERE. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT OUR CITY CLERK HAS A QUESTION, A CLARIFYING QUESTION. 
          I DO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO A FEW TIMES YOU HAVE MENTIONED, AFTER SO MANY. RUN INS, IT WOULD COME BACK HERE TO COUNCIL. ARE YOU SAYING WHAT WOULD COUNCIL BE DECIDING. YOU WOULD DO WHAT WE DO WITH THE CHILD, LIKE WE WOULD DO WITH CHILD CARE WHERE THERE WOULD BE LIKE PRE-CONFERENCE, THEY WOULD COME AND WE WOULD DO IT IN A WORK SESSION. AT THE END. WE'D DO THIS WHETHER APPEALS USUALLY. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE COUNCILOR FRANCIS AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE THREE DIFFERENT ALCOHOL CODES, WHICH HAVE SOME CONFLICTING INFORMATION REGARDING REVOKING A LICENSE. AND I, I'M WORRIED THAT IF THAT I'M WORRIED THAT THE PROCESS MAY BE SET UP ONE WAY FOR THE SERVER TRAINING VERSUS THE WAY THE ALCOHOL CODE IS GOING TO BE EDITED TO ALLOW FOR SOMEONE'S LICENSE TO BE REVOKED IF THEY SIMPLY ARE NOT FOLLOWING CODE, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE US ONCE WE'VE GOT THAT MORE EXTENSIVE OVERHAUL OF THE THREE CODES? WOULD IT BE BETTER TO ADD IT AT THAT POINT, MAYBE WAIT TO PUT THE ESCALATION IN THERE UNTIL WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THREE CODES READY TO GO? COUNCILOR FRANCIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT HERE. AND I'M GOOD WITH MORE THAN ONE CONVICTION A YEAR. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THE REVOKING OF THE LICENSE COMES FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY ONLY COME HERE FOR AN APPEAL. THAT'S WHAT I'M. THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. 
          THEY DON'T COME HERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO REVOKE THE LICENSE. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE BECAUSE THIS IS THE LAW THAT COUNCIL PASSED. SO YOU YOU'RE REVOKING THE LICENSE, AND THEY'RE COMING HERE ON APPEAL IF THEY WANT TO. THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT SHOULD BE. BUT OFTENTIMES, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING, OKAY, YES, GO AHEAD ON THIS ONE. BECAUSE WHEN THEY WOULD COME ON APPEAL, IT WAS LIKE, DID POLICE NOT FOLLOW THEIR OWN ORDINANCE? RIGHT. AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, NO, THEY CLEARLY DIDN'T. SO THERE WASN'T REALLY A POINT TO THE APPEAL UNLESS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. IT JUST THEY'RE DOING GOOD WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING IT'S BETTER IF COUNCIL DOES THE ORIGINAL? NO, I'M NOT SURE HOW I. WHAT? I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN WHENEVER WE WOULD GET THE APPEAL FOR THE FOR THE LICENSE, IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE POLICE FOLLOWED THEIR RULES AND WE HAD THOSE RULES. BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A REASON WHY. AND THOSE REASONS ARE OFTENTIMES VERY COMPELLING. BUT STILL THEY BROKE THE LAW. 
          AND SO THERE WASN'T AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WELL, YES, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU, IT JUST BECAME VERY. IT'S A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT DID THEY BREAK THE LAW. YES. WELL, HERE WAS THE REASON, BECAUSE THIS PERSON GOT HIRED AND THEN THEY CAME THE NIGHT BEFORE AND MY SERVER WAS SICK. AND THEN I HIRED THIS PERSON WHO I THOUGHT HAD ALREADY HAD THEIR LICENSE. I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO WEIGH INTO ALL OF THOSE DETAILS ON AN APPEAL? AND FOR ME, THE REMEDY MIGHT BE BECAUSE I AGREE COMPLETELY. IT ALWAYS GETS CAUGHT UP ON JUST THE LANGUAGE. AND THE APPEALS ARE ALWAYS JUST ABOUT THE LEGAL LANGUAGE, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO HELP THEM GET REOPENED OR OR TO COMPLY. AND I THINK IT'D BE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, TO SAY, HEY, LET'S WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IS IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD REVOKE THE LICENSE, THAT YOU'RE ON A ONE YEAR PROBATION AND YOU'RE IN THERE EVERY THREE WEEKS OR EVERY MONTH, SO THAT THE THE BAD ACTOR IS GETTING IT. INSTEAD OF HAVING A FIVE YEAR OLD ONCE A YEAR, AND THEN BECAUSE THEN WE COULD SAY, HEY, YOU BROKE THE LAW, YOU'RE ON PROBATION FOR THIS YEAR. AND IF YOU IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL AFTER A YEAR, THEN BACK TO IT. YOU CAN GET BACK ON THE NORMAL SCHEDULE. BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S OFTEN ALWAYS JUST ABOUT PROCESS. AND THEN IT'S KIND OF SILLY TO COME TO US AT ALL BECAUSE YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WIN ON PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO. YEAH, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THEM GET IN COMPLIANCE AND STAY IN BUSINESS AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND THEN OVERSEEING THEM MORE IS PROBABLY A BETTER ANSWER. RIGHT? AND IF IT'S A QUESTION OF DUE PROCESS, THEN YOU HAVE 
          [02:40:02]
THEIR DAY IN COURT. YES. YEAH. IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT DUE PROCESS. IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT AN APPEAL IS COMING TO US WHEN APPEALS COME TO US, WHETHER IT'S FROM BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR WHETHER IT'S FROM ANY OTHER BODY. IT'S REALLY DID THEY FOLLOW THE LAW? THE LAW. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A TIME WHERE THE POLICE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PROCESS. AND THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE PERSON WANTS TO COME AND EXPLAIN WHY. AND THAT'S THE HEART STRINGS AND THAT, OH, WE WANT TO HELP YOU. AND IT'S, IT'S A REALLY IT'S JOHN'S POINT. ARE WE HERE TO HELP THEM GET INTO COMPLIANCE OR ARE WE HERE TO HOLD PEOPLE OUT? AND AS FAR AS COMPLIANCE AND IN SOME WAYS IT'S BOTH. YEAH. ULTIMATELY IF THEY'RE HERE EVERY YEAR THEN WE'RE RIGHT. BUT I GUESS IN A WAY THAT'S THE WAY. THE SYSTEM WORKS, LIKE AN APPEAL PROCESS OR A COURT DECISION. TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. THE THE APPELLATE COURT IS ONLY LOOKING AT THE PROCEDURE. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO JUST LOOK. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. THEY LOOK AT WHETHER THE LAW WAS FOLLOWED AND WHETHER THERE'S SUFFICIENT BASIS FOR THE FACTUAL FINDINGS. SO IF THE APPEAL PERSON COMES AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T REALLY QUITE GIVE ME 60 DAYS TO GET THIS PERSON LICENSED. HERE'S THE DATE THEY WERE HIRED AND THEY MISSED SOMETHING IN HERE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE. BUT WE WE DON'T. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK. WE WE ARE THE APPEAL BODY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IS TO LOOK AT THE LAW AND MAKE SURE WE DID IT. BUT AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER RIGHT NOW. WHAT DO YOU WANT AS A POTENTIAL PENALTY? RIGHT NOW YOU'RE KIND OF SETTING, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF SEVERITY. YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS, THIS AMOUNT OF MALFEASANCE WILL RESULT IN A IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS ESCALATING TO OUR REVOCATION THAT THAT THIS IS THE PENALTY. BECAUSE ONCE YOU'VE SAID THAT TO THE PENALTY, THAT IS THE LAW. AND THEN ONCE THERE'S APPEAL, YOUR DECISION IS TO APPLY THAT LAW THAT YOU SENT. AND SO NOW IS THE CONVERSATION. NOW BASICALLY WHAT IT IS IS NOW IS YOU'RE DECIDING, DO I CARE ABOUT THOSE HEARTSTRINGS? RIGHT. THOSE OTHER ARGUMENTS OR AM I GOING TO SAY, NO, THIS ISN'T JUST OUR STRINGS. THAT'S THAT'S A THAT DOES HAPPEN TO US ON ON THE DAY CARE. YEAH. BUT I'M SAYING ON THE APPEAL RIGHT NOW DOESN'T HAVE REVOCATION IN HERE. THE PROBLEM WITH ALCOHOL IS PEOPLE DIE. IT'S THEIR LIFEBLOOD. PEOPLE DIE IF WE OVERDO IT AND AND IT'S THEIR LIVELIHOOD. IF WE TAKE IT AWAY AND CORRUPTION IS RAMPANT. SO YOU GET ONE OFFICIAL WHO CAN TAKE AWAY A LICENSE, YOU GET. IN EVERY OTHER SOCIETY I'VE EVER SEEN, THERE'S CORRUPTION AND THEY GET PAID OFF. LIKE THAT'S HOW THE MOB TOOK CONTROL OF ALL OF CHICAGO, BECAUSE ONE PERSON COULD TAKE AWAY A LIQUOR LICENSE. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S JUST AN APPEAL BASED ON ON WHAT THEY RIGHT AND RIGHT OR RIGHT OR WRONG, THEN THERE'S TOO MUCH POWER IN ONE PLACE. IT'S MY CONCERN. AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY, IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO JUST LIVE THE LAW, THEN THERE SHOULD BE A PROCESS. WHEN THEY BREAK THE LAW THAT THEY HAVE, THEY KNOW THAT, HEY, THEY'RE GOING TO GET HELD ACCOUNTABLE, THEY HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE AND THEY'RE ON PROBATION. BUT IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY KEEP DOING THAT, THEN THEY'RE OUT. AND THEY CAN'T OWN ALCOHOL BUSINESS IN THIS STATE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THERE'S PEOPLE WHO CAN'T, RIGHT. THAT'S OUR INFLUENCE. NOT OUR ALCOHOL CODE HAS A LOT OF. A LOT OF ISSUES RIGHT NOW WHEN WE REALLY DIVE INTO IT. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE IDAHO STATE POLICE DOES. SO THEY HAVE A THE FIRST TIME WE FIND YOU IN VIOLATION OF ANY OF THESE CODES, THERE'S A FINE. AND YEAH. AND THEN IT'S STEPPED UP. RIGHT. CURRENTLY WE DEFAULT TO THE POLICE. SO WHEN WE FIND AN ISSUE IN A BAR OR A RESTAURANT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR CODES ARE WRITTEN, WE WRITE THAT UP. WE SEND IT TO THE IDAHO STATE POLICE. THE IDAHO STATE POLICE TAKES 3 TO 6 MONTHS TO NOTIFY THE BUSINESS. SEND THEM A LETTER. GET THEM INTO COMPLIANCE. WE AT THE CITY LEVEL, WHICH EACH BUSINESS HAS A STATE, CITY AND COUNTY LICENSE, AND IF THEY LOSE ANY OF THOSE, IT PREVENTS THEM FROM OPERATING. BUT CURRENTLY, AND THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, THIS ISN'T. WE NEED TO HAVE OUR OWN PROCESS AT THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CONTROL. I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M DOWNTOWN ON WEEKENDS AND 
          [02:45:05]
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST OUT OF CONTROL, AND IT'S BECAUSE SOMEONE SERVED THEM TOO MUCH, TOO LONG AND WE CAN PREVENT A LOT OF PROBLEMS. SO I'M REALLY SUPPORTIVE. I JUST THINK ULTIMATELY BUSINESS OWNERS ARE ARE REALLY CRITICAL TO OUR DOWNTOWN. ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE A VITAL DOWNTOWN IS BECAUSE OUR BUSINESSES ARE DOING WELL. AND AND WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORKING BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE COMING DOWN AND HAVING THAT ACTIVITY. 
          SO IT'S ALWAYS A BALANCE. SO WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT COUNCIL BECOME. 
          THE POLICE SAY OKAY, NOW YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO COUNCIL AND THEY'LL REVOKE IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THERE, THE ENFORCEMENT. AND BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T WANT TO DO WHAT WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING. JUST IT'S ALL BASED ON LEGAL LANGUAGE BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT, JIM, YOU YOU'VE BEEN IN THOSE SITUATIONS. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SAID, WELL, I WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY WITH YOU, BUT YOU MARKED YOU MARKED THIS BOX THAT SAID, YEAH, YEAH. NO, YOU SAID, WHY DIDN'T YOU? AND THEY SAID, WELL, MY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME SAID MY RECORD WAS EXPUNGED, YOU KNOW, SO THEY THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. AND SO THERE'S ALL THESE LIKE NUANCES. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T LIKE BEING PUT IN THAT SCENARIO IN THAT BOX WHERE WE'RE LIKE, HEY, THERE'S NO SOLUTION IF YOU DIDN'T, JUST IF THEY UNLESS THEY MADE A MISTAKE. SO WHY BRING IT TO US? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A MISTAKE. AND IF THEY'RE MAKING A BUNCH OF MISTAKES, THEN THEY DON'T GET TO DO THEIR PART OF THEIR JOB. 
          BUT FOR ME, THAT'S WHY IF THEY HAVE 1 OR 2 IN A IN A YEAR, BECAUSE THE OTHER WORRY I HAVE IS THAT YOUR EMPLOYEES, I'VE MANAGED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND HAD, YOU KNOW, FOOD SERVICE CARDS THAT I HAD TO DEAL WITH ALL THE TIME. AND YOU JUST WORK WITH THEM, YOU WORK WITH THEM AND YOU SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO GET THIS DONE. YOU'VE GOT TO GET THIS DONE. YOU CAN'T WORK NEXT WEEK. YOU'VE GOT STUNNED. AND THEN THEY JUST DON'T DO IT. AND THEN IT DOESN'T. IT GETS LOOKED OVER AND THEN YOU'RE YOU'RE ON YOUR THIRD TIME, YOU'VE HAD A MISDEMEANOR AND YOU LOSE YOUR ABILITY TO RUN THAT RESTAURANT. TO ME THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE THEM TO COME TO US. AND THEN THEY TELL US BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING DRAGGED IN HERE. THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WHEN THEY'RE HERE. WE TELL THEM, WELL, WE HAVE THESE THREE OPTIONS. YOU CAN HAVE PROBATION AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THERE EVERY MONTH CHECKING. SO THERE'S A LEVEL OF THIS THAT WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. AND THEN IF THEY IF WE DO THAT FOR A YEAR AND, AND THEY'RE STILL ON PROBATION AND THEY'RE STILL OVERPOURING, THEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. OH. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW. WE SHOULD GO TALK TO SOME OF THESE BUSINESS OWNERS. WE GOT THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION HERE. LIKE WE SHOULD LISTEN TO OUR BUSINESSES. WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THIS SOLELY FOR SECOND. 
          SO WE CAN GET THAT CLEARED UP. BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH JOHN. WITH EMPLOYEES AND LICENSING, IT'S LIKE YOUR LICENSE IS YOUR LICENSE IS COMING UP, YOUR LICENSE IS COMING UP. AND THEN OFTENTIMES IT'S LIKE, I KNOW, I KNOW, I'M GETTING IT DONE, I'M GETTING IT DONE. AND THEN OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, AND THEN EVEN WHILE I'VE GOT IT AND THEN GUESS WHAT? IT WASN'T REALLY SUBMITTED OR IT WASN'T REALLY THIS. AND IT'S JUST, WELL, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS CAME FOR MY PD. CORRECT. THIS IDEA CAME FORWARD FROM IPD. 
          COUNCIL DID CREATE THIS CONVERSATION, RIGHT? I DID IT. AND WHY DID I DO THAT? BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ISSUE. YES. AND IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE THEN BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT ISSUE. YEAH. SO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE IT'S NOT JUST AN ISSUE. 
          SO WE HAVE TO FIND THE BALANCE OF NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS HERE, SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE INCONVENIENCED. WE CANNOT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE SITUATION. AND I WISH WE WEREN'T HERE. I'M SURE THE SERGEANT NORMAN WISHES THAT WE WEREN'T HERE. LIKE, THIS HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE A TON OF WORK FOR IPD BECAUSE THE LAW WASN'T ALREADY BEING FOLLOWED. IT'S OUR I MEAN, IT'S BECAUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES WEREN'T DOING IT PROPERLY, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY DOESN'T HAVE REVOCATION ON THEIRS. RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE THAT WE WANT TO LISTEN TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND SEE SOME OF THE PRACTICAL ELEMENTS, BECAUSE I CAN SEE AND, YOU KNOW, FRANCIS AND I AND ZACH WENT OVER THIS OR, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS SO DIFFICULT THAT IT IT'S SO BURDENSOME FOR A BUSINESS TO COMPLY WITH IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO INCONVENIENCE SOMEBODY. AND WE HAVE TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT I THINK MAKES SENSE. THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO BUSINESS OWNER ON THE PHONE ALREADY, AND, YOU KNOW, SHE'S ASKING ME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOLIDAY EMPLOYEES, ETC. IF WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS SO DIFFICULT THAT BUSINESSES CAN'T COMPLY, RIGHT, WE DO WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I JUST I THINK IT'S IT'S REMINDING ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPACT CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE'S NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS. YEAH, SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE INCONVENIENCED BY IT FOR SURE. RIGHT? IT'S THE REVOCATION PIECE THAT BOISE DOESN'T HAVE. CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR OTHER CODE SECTIONS SAY 
          [02:50:05]
ABOUT REVOCATION, I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T CHECK THEIR ENTIRE CODE ON ALCOHOL TO SEE IF REVOCATION IS. BUT IT'S OUR BUT IT'S THIS COUNCIL DECISION RIGHT HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REVOCATION THAT ISN'T WRITTEN IN THIS POLICY. THAT'S CORRECT. THE DRAFT ORDINANCE CURRENTLY DOES NOT IS NOT IN THIS. I HAVE NOT CHECKED OUR OTHER. RIGHT. SO WE'RE KIND OF STEPPING IT UP IN IN THIS POLICY. AND WE ARE JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, THE CITY CLERK HAS BEEN WORKING A LOT ON TRYING TO OVERHAUL OUR OTHER THREE OR THE THREE ALCOHOL CODES IN THEIR ENTIRETY. AND MY GUESS IS THERE'S PROBABLY THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE WITH OUR OUR CURRENT REVOCATION PROCESS, YOU MIGHT JUST WANT TO OVERHAUL OUR CURRENT REVOCATION PROCESS FOR EVERYTHING RATHER THAN MAKING A DIFFERENT REVOCATION PROCESS FOR HERE. IT MIGHT BE GOOD JUST TO LEAVE THIS, NOT PUT IT IN AN ESCALATION TO REVOKE GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. BUT THEN LATER WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THEM. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU COULD SAY FOR THIS SORT OF VIOLATION, THIS OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT, I DO HEAR FROM THE RESTAURANT OWNERS AND BAR OWNERS. THEY JUST WANT PREDICTABILITY. RIGHT. SO I THINK YOU'RE NOT WRONG ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID TO THE STATE, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ALL HAVE. THE THEY HAVE A HARD TIME EVEN FINDING THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, REGULATION. SO YEAH. OKAY. SO NOT RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF YOU WON'T BE DOING ANY ESCALATION IN THERE TO REVOKE THE LICENSE OR JUST I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. LET'S JUST WAIT ON THAT. LET'S WAIT ON IT. KEEP IT TO MISDEMEANOR. 
          YEAH. AND WE'LL WE'LL GO FROM THERE. WHEN WE DO THE WHOLE THING, WE'LL KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. OKAY. SO THAT WAS THE HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE. AND I HAVE THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE. YEAH I THINK THAT WHERE WE HAVE SOME TIME NOW APRIL 2ND TO TO TALK WITH PEOPLE, I THINK WE'RE OKAY TO DIG INTO IT. OKAY. YOU WANT TO DIG INTO IT ON YOUR OWN TIME. DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH IT STEP BY STEP? I THINK THEY GAVE THE HIGH LEVEL. ARE YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING COUNCIL? I'M I'M GOOD. BUT I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS ABOUT A FEW TIMES IN A LIAISON. SO WHEN I THINK FOR THOSE OF US THAT AREN'T WE SHOULD JUST. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK? YEAH. SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT PLEASE. I'M HAPPY TO REVISE AND. OKAY SO FOR FOR RIGHT NOW THE ONLY CHANGE I UNDERSTAND FROM COUNCIL IS TO CHANGE IT TO THE LISTING EMPLOYEES FOR THE PROCESS FOR APPLYING FOR A LICENSE INSTEAD OF THAT JUST AN AFFIDAVIT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CODE SECTION. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER FRANCIS, CAN WE JUST START WITH YOU AGAIN AND ANYTHING CALENDARING EVENTS 
          [Mayor ]
OR NOTES IF YOU WANTED TO. I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING IN TERMS OF EVENTS? YEAH, GOOD I DO I MEAN, I DO HAVE SOMETHING. SO GO AHEAD, BRANDON. WE'LL JUST WORK OUR WAY HERE. I'M GOOD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING EITHER. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHEN THE ZOO OPENED. I WAS GOING TO LOOK IT UP. THAT'S COMING UP JUST FOR COUNCIL. AND THEN I'M GOING TO SEND OUT AN EMAIL LATER THIS EVENING. OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR ADMINISTRATOR HAS TAKEN A POSITION WITH THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO. SO THAT IS SOMEBODY THAT WE WILL HER. THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS COMPLETELY UPDATED. AND AND WE WILL OH I KNOW SHE'S GOING TO GO TO THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO AND POSITION. 
          IS IT KID KIM'S POSITION WITH THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO AS LIKE THEIR, YOU KNOW. YEAH. 
          DEVELOPMENT. SO ANYWAY THAT I WILL GET THAT EMAIL OUT, I KNOW CHANGE IS HARD, MAN. BUT YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, I WILL SEND THAT EMAIL OUT TO DIRECTORS. BUT I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SHE LET ME KNOW THIS MORNING AND SO WE WILL MUSTER ON AND IT IT WILL BE SOMETHING I'M IT I THINK THAT WISH HER THE LUCK AND AND WE WILL GET THAT POSTED VERY SOON BECAUSE IT IS UPDATED AND READY TO GO. OKAY. WANT TO SELL MYSELF FOR SOMETHING? BUT I AM MAKING A PRESENTATION ON 
          [02:55:05]
WHAT IS HISTORY AND THE CURRENT EVENTS OR HISTORY IS BEING PROPAGANDIZED A LOT. SO I'M MAKING A PRESENTATION ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT. WHERE IS THIS AT? IT'S AT THE METHODIST CHURCH. IT'S ONE OF THE. OH, YEAH. OKAY. IS THAT TO ALL TOURISTS? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. 
          WHEN IT'S WEDNESDAY AT SEVEN. OKAY. I'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH IT. YOU'VE LIVED IT. AND WITH THAT, WE
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