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          COUNCIL SESSION TO TALK ABOUT UPCOMING OR CURRENT PRIORITY STATUS UPDATE AND UPCOMING PRIORITIES AS WE GET READY FOR, IRONICALLY, OUR NEXT BUDGET YEAR. SO WE JUST NEED TO ESTABLISH OUR QUORUM. AND I AM GOING TO TEXT BRENDAN. I KNOW I SAW HIS CAR OUT IN THE PARKING LOT. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD. I HEARD IT. 
          COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE, COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. AND I WILL NOTATE COUNCILOR LEE WHEN HE ARRIVES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. GO 
          [Mayor]
AHEAD AND KEEP EATING, I THOUGHT. SOME OF THE, LIKE, HOUSEKEEPING THINGS. WHAT I'VE DONE IS I PRINTED OFF OUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES IN THE FORMAT THAT THEY WERE PRESENTED TO US AS A FINAL DOCUMENT LAST YEAR, AND THEN AS EACH ONE OF. SO YOU'LL SEE, THOSE ARE THE FIRST THREE PAGES. AND THEN I'VE TAKEN EACH PRIORITY AND I'VE PUT IT ONTO ITS OWN PAGE. 
          SO FRONT AND BACK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK THROUGH THEM. I THINK IN SOME CASES, THE LIAISON'S MAY KNOW MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN WHAT I KNOW AS FAR AS LIKE, OH, WE ACTUALLY ARE CLOSER THAN THIS IN THE CASES WHERE THERE IS LIKE UNKNOWN STATUS, SOME OF THAT IS UNKNOWN. IT'S THAT IT'S STILL ONGOING. SO AS WE JUST WORK THROUGH THIS PACKET, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SAY, IS THIS STILL A PRIORITY? HOW DO WE CATEGORIZE? BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS IN SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES. SOME OF THEM, I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SAY, HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. SO SO THAT IS THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WILL WORK THROUGH OUR PRIORITIES. I DO HAVE THESE AND I'M NOT EATING, SO KEEP EATING AND I'LL JUST PASS THIS AROUND. THIS IS OUR POLICY AND ORDINANCE WORK THAT IS MOVING THROUGH. THE CITY RIGHT NOW AT LEAST HAS SOME. MOVEMENT ON THEM. EITHER THEY'RE IN DRAFT FORM OR THEY'RE ACTUALLY SOME OF THEM ARE READY TO COME TO COUNCIL. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE POLICY WORK. 
          AND THEN. AS A REMINDER, WE ARE IN THE LAWSUIT FOR IMPACT FEES. BUT WE WILL TOUCH ON THOSE PERIPHERAL PERIPHERALLY TODAY BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT THEM MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT'S THE PAGE THAT I'M PASSING OUT NOW. IT'S JUST IN PART OKAY HERE. 
          OKAY. THEN. HERE ARE OUR ACTUAL PRIORITIES THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. EVERYBODY. I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GET A GLOB OF PAPERS. WHERE WE AT? OKAY. AND WE ARE ACTUALLY NOW GOING TO START. WE MET WITH FINANCE SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY, AND IT'S IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE YOU AND DIRECTOR ALEXANDER I. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A. REVIEW OF A LOT OF IT IS WHERE WE WERE AT COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET LAST YEAR. WE HAD SOME HOLES TO FILL. WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE WHERE WE WERE AND MAYBE WHERE WE'RE HEADED. AND PLEASE ASK ANY QUESTIONS. IT IS THIS IS OPEN MIC. OKAY. MAYOR, CAN I JUST REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE ARE LIVE STREAMING THIS, WHICH IS NOT HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE. SO. OKAY. YES, THIS IS THAT ONE. YES, I GOT IT. SO 
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MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IF I COULD REQUEST THE REQUEST, THE AUTHORIZATION, JUST TO JUST DO A COUPLE OF ACKNOWLEDGMENTS HERE. AS YOU MENTIONED, MAYOR EARLIER, WE HAD A PRETTY CHALLENGING BUDGET LAST YEAR. WE HAD SOME HOLES TO FILL. AND REALLY, I'M HERE TO JUST LISTEN AND OBSERVE AND TAKE NOTES. BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE SOME ACKNOWLEDGMENT TO OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE MANAGER, BROOKS. SHE WAS THE ONE THAT PRETTY MUCH ALONG WITH HER TEAM, BUT SINGLE HANDEDLY LED THE PROCESS IN GETTING US OUT OF OUR HOLE THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS A LAST MINUTE ONE. IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD SOME MEETINGS IN JUNE WHERE WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE GAPS THAT WE HAD. SO I SEE THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE HER SOME PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGMENT, HOPEFULLY DON'T MAKE HER STAGE RIGHT, BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO GET THAT IN PUBLIC. BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE OF ALL HER HARD WORK AND THE TEAM, THE FINANCE TEAM'S WORK IN SERVING THE PUBLIC, SERVING COUNCIL. AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO BE QUIET AND LET BROOKS TAKE THE STAGE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND SHE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL TO ME JUST TO PREPARE FOR THIS. THANK YOU. AND I DON'T WANT IN ANY WAY ALL OF THE CREDIT. IT WAS A VERY MUCH A TEAM EFFORT WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS CHIPPING IN AS WELL. 
          SO AND MY TEAM DID A BULK OF THE WORK. I HAD THE ROLE ALL TOGETHER, BUT IT'S A TEAM EFFORT AND WE NEED DIRECTION FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT TO CHIP IN AS WELL. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A ROADMAP OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER SOME OF THE BACKGROUND, AS THE MAYOR SAID, OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2425 PERFORMANCE WISE. WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE AUDIT RIGHT NOW. SO THE NUMBERS AREN'T FINAL, BUT WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT FROM A BUDGET TO ACTUAL STANDPOINT. WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF SOME OF THE ITEMS THERE TO GO OVER, THEN DISCUSS WHERE WE'RE AT THIS YEAR WITH SOME OF OUR GRANTS AND PROJECTS, SOME WATCH BOX THAT WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. A REMINDER, JUST OUR OUTSTANDING LONG TERM OBLIGATION. AND THEN TALK ABOUT IN OUR NEW UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR, SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON BEFORE WE BUILD THOSE INTO THE BUDGET, SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING IN ONE DIRECTION WHEN YOU WANT US TO GO ANOTHER. SO WE'VE COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS, BUT THEY ARE UP FOR DEBATE FOR SURE. 
          IT'S JUST SOME IDEAS OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING. WE'D LIKE TO BUILD INTO THE BUDGET SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS MOVING PARTS. AS WE BRING IT TO YOU AS A PROPOSED BUDGET. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER TODAY? OKAY, OKAY. SO FIRST I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR 2425 PERFORMANCE. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THESE IN SOME OF THE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORTS. BUT JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU AS WE FINISHED UP OUR FY 2425, ONE ITEM THAT WAS DIDN'T COME IN AS EXPECTED UNDER THE BUDGET, BUT PERFORMED BETTER THAN THE PRIOR YEAR WAS NEW REVENUES. PART OF THAT IS THE FUND LINE NOT BEING FULLY OPEN. CAFE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS IMPACTED. WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED WAS ABOUT 460,000 MORE THAN WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED, BUT WE ACTUALLY DID COLLECT 200,000 MORE IN REVENUES THAN WE DID THE PRIOR YEAR. SO WE DID OUTPERFORM THE PRIOR YEAR. WE JUST OVERBUDGETED THOSE NUMBERS. 
          SO THAT'S AN AREA WHERE WE'LL BE RIGHTSIZING THE BUDGET THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE BUDGETED SIMILARLY. BUT KNOWING GOING INTO IT, IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY SEE THOSE REVENUES COME IN, WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST THAT IN THE NEW YEAR, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL SEPTEMBER OR HOW WE ACTUALLY PERFORM THE ZOO. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THESE IN A PRINTOUT AS WELL. OKAY. ANOTHER ITEM IS JUST OUR INTEREST. EARNINGS CAME IN ABOUT HALF A MILLION MORE THAN BUDGETED. WE TRY TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE ON OUR INTEREST EARNINGS REVENUE BECAUSE IT'S ALL COMPLETELY SUBJECT TO THE MARKET. SO WE DON'T TRY TO PLAN ON OUR OPERATIONS BEING FUNDED BY INTEREST EARNINGS. BUT WE DID HAVE ABOUT HALF A MILLION OVER WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED IN OUR INTEREST EARNINGS AND THEN OUR PROPERTY TAX, LATE PAYMENT INTEREST. THAT WAS THE SETTLEMENT THROUGH THE COUNTY THEY SENT US. IT WAS ABOUT, I THINK, 714,000 IN NOVEMBER. THAT WAS THE BACKLOG OF EVERYTHING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS THROUGH JULY. AND THEN FROM JULY ON, WE STARTED ACTUALLY SEEING THOSE LATE, WHICH WAS INTEREST COME DIRECTLY IN OUR PROPERTY TAX TURNOVERS. SO WAS THAT UNEXPECTED REVENUE OR IS THAT THAT PROPERTY TAX, LATE FEES AND INTEREST. THAT'S JUST IT'S JUST A NUMBER. BUT IT'S IT'S THE AMOUNTS THAT USED TO COME TO THE CITY THAT STOPPED COMING TO THE CITY, I THINK IN 2021 IT WASN'T REALLY STOPPED. BUT. THERE WAS A LAWSUIT. I THINK IT WAS ADA COUNTY. I THINK IT WAS, YEAH. ANYWAYS, SO ONE MUNICIPALITY SUCCEEDED IN SAYING, HEY, YOU CAN'T CHARGE US THOUGH, OR YOU NEED TO GIVE US BACK THOSE, THOSE LATE FEES. 
          AND SO BASED ON THAT IS WHY THE COUNTY DECIDED TO GIVE IT TO US. SO IT WASN'T SOMETHING I WAS PLANNING ON. YEAH. SO WE WOULD CALL IT NEW MONEY THOUGH BASICALLY. RIGHT. BUT IT IS A 
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NEW REVENUE SOURCE. IT IS. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT. IT'S A ONE TIME. YEAH. THIS IS A ONE TIME PAYMENT WITH WITH AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WITHHOLD STUFF MOVING FORWARD. SO WE WOULD EXPECT THAT AS A AS A AS. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. THE 715 OR SO IS ONE TIME ONGOING. WE EXPECT TO HAVE 100,000 OR 200,000 EVERY YEAR. JUST IF THAT CONTINUES COMING IN. BUT AGAIN, IT'S SUBJECT TO ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAYING LATE AND DANGEROUS CHARGE HUMAN BEHAVIOR. 
          YES. HUMAN BEHAVIOR. SO WHEN THE FIRE ARE THOSE TWO DIFFERENT. YES. DOWN NUMBERS. 
          SO MASS ITSELF, NOT THE 150,000 ISN'T PART OF THE 1.2, CORRECT? YES. SO I WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON THAT. HERE ARE ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. THE AREA WE WERE OVER BUDGET IS FIRE AND EMS AND WE LOOK AT THEM COMBINED. BUT THEY ARE IN TWO SEPARATE FUNDS. WE DO SPLIT THEIR COSTS BETWEEN TWO SEPARATE FUNDS. SO ON THE FIRE SIDE THAT'S ON THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THEY WERE OVER BUDGET 150,000. ON THE EMS SIDE, THERE WERE OVER 1.2 MILLION. AND THE BULK OF THAT IS RELATED TO OVERTIME AND PERSONNEL COSTS. A LOT OF LEAVE, A LOT OF COVERAGE. SO WHEN WHEN THEY HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE BACKFILLING IT WITH DOUBLE TIME COST BECAUSE OF THEIR UNION CONTRACT. SO ANYTIME WE'RE MISSING PEOPLE, IT'S A HIT SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THEY HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. MOST OF THAT IS OVERTIME. BUT JUST THEIR OVERALL BUDGET WAS OVER. AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. THAT'S ONE WE HAVE TO DISCLOSE AND AUDIT BECAUSE THEY'RE OVER BUDGET IN THAT FUND. AND FIRE IS AWARE OF THAT. BUT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM ON HOW TO RECTIFY THAT GOING FORWARD. I'D JUST MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, JUST TO MAKE I KNOW YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW THIS, BUT FIRE GETS DOUBLE OVERTIME INSTEAD OF TIME AND A HALF, SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR CONTRACT. SO THAT DOES MAKE THEIR OVERTIME BUDGET, YOU KNOW, HIGHER THAN OTHER OTHER DEPARTMENTS. BUT THIS WAS OVER OVERTIME BUDGET. YES. RIGHT. 
          YEAH. RIGHT. I MEAN THEY DO HAVE A BUDGET FOR OVERTIME. AND THEN THIS WAS 1.2 OVER AND ABOVE. DO WE KNOW WHY THE BUDGET WAS SO DIFFERENT THAN THIS AND WHAT CHANGED. DO YOU WANT TO SAY IT OR I'LL FILM. YEAH GO AHEAD GO AHEAD. OH PART OF IT WAS I MEAN, THEY SEND PEOPLE OUT ON WILDLAND. WE GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR MOST OF THAT. BUT MOST OF IT WAS THEY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT ON LEAVE FOR EXTENDED PERIODS AND LIKE MEDICAL ISSUES, LIKE GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE JUST LEAVE. OKAY, I KNOW YOU CAN'T GET VERY SPECIFIC, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          SO AND ALSO, ISN'T THIS WHERE THEY WHERE WE SAW THEM HIRE TWO QUARTERS TOO EARLY? SORRY. SO WE HAD AUTHORIZED A FOURTH QUARTER HIRING OF NINE PERSONNEL AND THEY HIRED THEM IN THE SECOND QUARTER. SO HOW DOES HOW WAS HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE. SO THEY'RE THE BUDGET WE APPROVED THEM TO HIRE SIX NEW TO COVER THE FIRE PROTECTION OF THE AIRPORT. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN JULY. THOSE PEOPLE WERE HIRED IN JANUARY BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING A HIRING POOL IN JANUARY, I BELIEVE, AND THEY HAD NINE. BUT THERE WAS A CATCH HERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T START THE CONTRACT OR TAKE OVER THE CONTRACT UNTIL JULY. AND THE INTENTION OF THAT EARLY HIRE WAS TO GET THEM TRAINED AND UP TO SPEED BY THE TIME THEY HAD TO TAKE OVER THE CONTRACT, BUT THAT HAD AN IMPACT OF ABOUT 400.5 MILLION. I'M NOT SURE WHO ALL WAS PREPARED FOR IT LAST YEAR. CORRECT, RIGHT. I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS DEFINITELY IT CAME AS A SHOCK, BUT IT SEEMS ODD TO ME THAT WE HAD AN ABOVE EXPECTATION LEVEL OF PEOPLE BEING GONE. AND WE HIRED NINE PEOPLE, RIGHT? TWO QUARTERS TOO SOON. AND SOMEHOW THAT DIDN'T EASE THE PAIN. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE GOT A DOUBLE WHAMMY IN THE DOESN'T. WE STILL HAVE. 
          YEAH, WE STILL IT DIDN'T WORK HIRING PEOPLE. PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE AT THE AIRPORT HAD TO GO TO HELENA FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME FOR TRAINING WITH THE FAA. SO THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY IN TOWN EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE HIRED. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE IDEA AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE READY IN CASE PROTECH DROPPED OUT EARLY WHEN WE TOLD PROTECT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACT, WE THOUGHT THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY MIGHT WALK AWAY AND WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THESE GUYS READY TO GO. SO KIND OF COMPLICATED. I'M NOT NECESSARILY EXCUSING ANYTHING, BUT DON'T YOU THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE COME BACK TO US IF WE DID A FOURTH QUARTER? YEAH. DIDN'T WE APPROVE THAT HIRING? WE DID NOT. WE APPROVED IT FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER. AND WE WE KNEW ABOUT THIS IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT IT WAS NOT AS AS HIGHLIGHTED. WE KNEW WHEN WE WERE SHORT, BUT IT JUST WASN'T BROUGHT AS, AS FORWARD FACING IN THE FUTURE. YES. THAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION IS THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE'S A BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BUDGET AND THEY HAD AND WE HAD GIVEN THEM, WE GIVEN FIRE A. WHAT IS IT CALLED WHEN YOU GET THE FULL FORCE THE. THE ALLOTTED NUMBER WE CALL THAT. YEAH, THE FTE BUT YES. ANYWAY, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND 
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CORRECT COUNCIL DIRECTING A CERTAIN FINANCIAL ALLOCATION, A CERTAIN HIRE DATE. HOW DOES HR NOT INTERCEDE AND SAY, OH HEY, COUNCIL DIDN'T APPROVE THIS TILL JULY. IF YOU HAVE A REASONABLE REASON WHY IT NEEDS TO COME EARLY, THEN JUST COME BACK TO US. AND I THINK THAT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DISCONNECTS THAT WE INTEND TO FIX AS FAR AS WHO WHO HIRES, WHETHER HR ISN'T REALLY HR OFTENTIMES HEARS ABOUT IT AFTER THE FACT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE, OH, WE'VE WE'VE WE HAVE A RECRUITMENT POOL. WE'VE HIRED NINE PEOPLE. SO WE ARE WE ARE WORKING THROUGH IS IT OKAY TO BE FREEWHEELING WITH THE DISCUSSION? YES. THIS IS ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES OF LIAISON SYSTEM IS WE LIAISONS MAY HEAR SOMETHING IN OUR MEETING LIKE THE FIRE CHIEF, BUT WE DON'T REALIZE IT'S NOT SPINNING OUT AND WE SHOULD BE TAKING IT FORWARD BACK TO EITHER YOU OR FINANCE AS KIND OF LIKE, HEY, BUT WE ASSUME IT'S HAPPENING BEHIND US. AND SO TO ME, IT'S A WEAKNESS OF THAT. WE COULD WORK ON WHATEVER WE DO WITH LIAISON. 
          BUT HERE'S ONE OF THEM, BECAUSE I THINK ACTUALLY JIM AND I KNEW HE WAS HIRING, BUT WE ASSUMED, OH YEAH, AND THAT WAS ON US IN THAT WAY. AND IT WAS MENTIONED IN BUDGET BECAUSE I WROTE IT DOWN IN MY BUDGET NOTES. BUT BUT IT WASN'T IT WASN'T LIKE WE DIDN'T SEE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT. 
          CORRECT? YEAH. SO WE COULD BE TOLD BY THE DIRECTOR THE MONEY'S THERE. OKAY. RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE, THE MONEY THAT WE WERE SPENDING WITH PROTECH THAT WAS GOING TO COVER THIS COST. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK. ONCE THAT CONTRACT ENDED, WE'D HAVE TO GET MONEY. YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WOULDN'T BE SPENDING THAT MONEY ANY LONGER. DID WE SAVE $1 MILLION FROM THE CONTRACT? NO, THAT'S SAVINGS ONLY CAME IN THE NEW YEAR, WHEN WE HAD PLANNED TO BE FUNDING THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT CONTRACT ANYWAY. YEAH IT IS. I AGREE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT YOU HEAR IT AND AND YOU DON'T THINK LIKE, WELL, THIS IS MY JOB TO GO TELL IT EXACTLY. BUT IF IT IS, WE BETTER GET ON. IT SHOULD NOT BE EVER. YEAH. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE RESPONSE I AGREE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT, JIM. I THINK ALSO I THINK DIRECTORS FEEL LIKE, OH, I GAVE A HEADS UP TO COUNCIL BECAUSE I TALKED TO LIAISON AND THEN I GOT A TACIT APPROVAL. SO LET'S GO AHEAD. AND WHAT OUR CONVERSATION SHOULD BE IS THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW. BUT I'M I'M NOT THE DECISION MAKER. YEAH, YEAH. I CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION BY MYSELF. SO THAT OVERAGE ESSENTIALLY THE EMS SIDE WAS JUST DIGGING INTO THEIR FUND BALANCE. SO IT IS DROPPING THEIR BALANCE LOWER BY 1.2 MILLION. SO ALL THAT BUILT UP PART OF IT. WE EXPECTED TO GO DOWN FROM CAPITAL PURCHASES. BUT THIS WAS AN UNEXPECTED USE OF THAT FUND BALANCE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. WE HAD A LOT OF PERSONNEL VACANCY AND TURNOVER SAVINGS JUST ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. POLICE WAS OVER IN THEIR OVERTIME, BUT THEY KEPT WITHIN THEIR BUDGET. SO THEY MAINTAINED STAYING WITHIN THEIR BUDGETS. SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CALLED OUT HERE. BUT ACROSS THE CITY, GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS, ALL OF THOSE VACANCY SAVINGS KIND OF MADE UP FOR THE DIFFERENCES IN FIRE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. INTERESTING. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ESSENTIALLY IT EQUALS OUT BETWEEN SOME OF THESE THINGS ACROSS THE ENTIRE GENERAL FUND. CORRECT. BUT ENTERPRISES IN THAT CONVERSATION. CORRECT. BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BRADFORD. DO YOU KNOW, USUALLY THE FINANCE TEAM COMES BACK TO US AFTER THE AUDIT OR AT LEAST AFTER THE CLOSEOUT OF THE YEAR AND SAYS WE HAD $700,000 OR $1 MILLION OR A MILLION AND A HALF THAT THEY'D LIKE TO PUT INTO THIS CAPITAL FUND OR WHATEVER, THAT WE DIDN'T GET THAT CONVERSATION THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THIS SITUATION. BROOKS, IS THERE ANY WERE THERE ANY LAG IN THE LIKE IN THE WILD LAND FUND MONEY COMING IN TO DOES THAT AFFECT THIS AT ALL? NOT NECESSARILY, BUT WE WE GOT MOST OF THE FUNDING WITHIN A FEW MONTHS OF SUBMITTING TO. SO WE'RE CAUGHT UP THROUGH ALL OF THAT. YEAH. 
          OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT USUALLY COVERS OUR COST PLUS A PORTION TOWARDS THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE PUT EQUIPMENT OUT THERE. SO THAT'S OFTEN HOW WE'VE BEEN FUNDING ALL OF OUR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT IS THAT EXCESS IS KIND OF REINVESTING IN OUR CAPITAL. BUT THE PERSONNEL, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF THIS YEAR'S WILD LAND REVENUES WERE COMPARABLE TO OTHER YEARS COMPARABLE. AND WE HAD MORE, MORE DEPLOYMENTS. THIS YEAR WASN'T A DOWN YEAR OR ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT NOW STARTING. OKAY. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE 
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FISCAL YEAR 2425? I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR GRANTS AND PROJECTS. SOME OF THEM OVERLAP WITH SOME OF OUR GRANTS FUND PROJECTS. I'M GOING TO START WITH GRANTS. WE HAVE A FEW OUTSTANDING ARPA PROJECTS. THE POLICE BEARCAT IS EXPECTED TO GET HERE THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          THAT ONE'S BEEN DELAYED. JUST A LARGE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. SO THAT ONE, WE'RE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THAT VENDOR TO MAKE SURE IT GETS HERE BEFORE THE GRANT DEADLINE OF DECEMBER. WHAT WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF 400,000. IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN 400,000. BUT THE GRANT IS FUNDING 400,000. THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE FRONTIER CENTER UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE ARPA FUNDS ARE FULLY EXHAUSTED, EXCEPT FOR A SMALL PORTION OF ACCESSIBILITY PORTION OF THAT PROJECT. AND THE NORTH FIRE STATION COMPLETED THE DRAWN ALL OF THE FUNDAMENTAL. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ACTIVELY BEING FINISHED THIS FISCAL YEAR, SO THAT WE KNOW THE MONEY GOING INTO THE EQUIPMENT BUILDING FOR THE CORRECT CENTER WAS. THAT WAS AT 1.2 MILLION. AND THEN FIRE STATION, WE DID 1.4 MILLION. WE HAD A LITTLE BIT THAT WAS AUTHORIZED IN THE DESIGN EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS. AND THEN WE HAD ABOUT 900,000 THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH ARPA FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF. JUST SPECIFIC. WE HAD 10 MILLION WORTH OF. AND THIS, THIS IS THREE, THREE AND A HALF. THAT WAS THE END OF IT. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A SUBMIT BY 1231. 
          CORRECT. OKAY. AND A COUPLE OTHER SMALLER SURFACE WATER CONVERSIONS. I THINK WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT ONES AT DIFFERENT AT DIFFERENT PARKS. THOSE ONES HAVE BEEN REACHING UP AS WELL. THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT KIND OF BUDGETED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, CAN WE EXPECT TO HAVE ALL OF THE ARPA FUNDING SPENT THIS FISCAL YEAR? DOES THAT SAVE SOME MONEY FOR PARKS AND REC IN THE GENERAL THOUGHT BECAUSE IT NOW A UTILITY, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER BECAUSE OUR WATER USAGE WILL BE LOWER. PARKS HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING FOR WATER. 
          THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED. AND WHY? WHY? WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT. THE BEARCAT, IF YOU RECALL, WE TOOK THAT TO COUNCIL PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THERE WOULD BE A LONG LEAD TIME, BECAUSE IT IS. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CONSIDERED A CUSTOM, BUT THERE IS FABRICATION THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL BUILD ITSELF. WE DID GET EVERYTHING OVER THERE. 
          PLENTY OF TIME TO MEET THAT. DECEMBER 31ST, 2026 DEADLINE OF EXPENDITURE SPENDING. WE ALSO HAVE A FEW MILLION IN GRANTS FROM ITD FOR ROADWAYS, TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS. THERE'S PROJECTS ON THE SCIENCE CENTER DRIVE YELLOWSTONE. THERE'S TRAILS, PARKS UNDER THE TAP GRANT. SO THOSE ARE ALL UNDERWAY AS WELL. THIS YEAR. I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT ON YELLOWSTONE, SOME PROJECTS, OFFICE, PARK, TRAIL ON THAT. IT'S I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S IN THE CURRENT OR THE PRIOR YEAR THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. THE NEW ONE IS NOT HAPPENING THIS SUMMER. IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY 28, BUT WE JUST SUBMITTED THE TAP GRANT FOR IT TO THEN WE ALSO HAVE AIRPORT TERMINAL EXPANSION. THEY'RE ALSO DOING APRON IMPROVEMENTS. SO WE JUST GOT AWARDED 12 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING. SO MORE HAPPENING AT THE AIRPORT. WE ALSO ARE UNDERWAY ON THE COMMERCIAL METER CONVERSION. WE HAVE SOME FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THE ABOUT HALF OF THAT PROJECT THIS YEAR. AND THEN POWER IS DOING A LOT OF EV STATIONS. SO THEY'VE GOT SOME GRANT FUNDING FOR THOSE FOR STATIONS. IS THAT THIS YEAR, THIS CALENDAR YEAR PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL BE COMPLETED, BUT THEY'RE UNDERWAY. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT STATIONS ARE HAPPENING, BUT A LOT OF THE STUFF ALREADY WASN'T THERE, WASN'T THERE GRANT FOR THE ALLEYWAYS PROJECT FOR POWER, TOO? YES. OKAY. IS THAT DONE? THAT'S IS THERE ONE? THERE'S STILL ONE ALLEY LEFT TO DO. YEAH. THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE ALLEY. OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT WAS. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND. OKAY. THE EV IS OVER A MILLION AND A HALF. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE A THIRD OF WHAT THE COST OF THE PROJECT WAS. YEAH, YEAH. AND WE DO HAVE OTHER SMALLER GRANTS. A LOT OF POLICE EQUIPMENT. WE'RE FINALIZING THE. GRANT FOR THE FIRE EMPLOYEES. I THINK WE ONLY HAVE A HALF A MONTH LEFT ON THAT GRANT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO OTHER SMALLER GRANTS. BUT THESE ARE THE LARGER SIGNIFICANT ONES. OKAY. THEN SOME ADDITIONAL CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION PROBABLY ALL AWARE OF THAT'S STILL UNDERWAY. 
          WE'RE LOOKING TO BE GOING LIVE IN JUNE. THE FINANCIAL SIDE AND HR, THE PEAKING PLANT THAT HAS JUST BEEN GETTING UP AND RUNNING, THAT'S BEEN UNDERWAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO ERP, SO FISCAL AND HR, WHAT ELSE. WHEN YOU SAY THAT, WHO ELSE IS IT. THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH WE HAVEN'T EVEN PUT OUT TO BID YET WOULD BE FOR UTILITY BILLING OUTSIDE OF THESE GIS IS 
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REALLY HEAVILY INVOLVED IN IT AS WELL IN THE ERP. YES, I WAS READING YEAH, QUESTION ON ERP AND I MAY BE MESSED UP ON THIS, BUT AM I CORRECT THAT FOR THE GENERAL FUND PORTION OF IT? PART OF IT WAS ENTERPRISE FUND FINANCED AND PART GENERAL FUND. IS THAT PART CORRECT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL. OKAY. YOU'RE OKAY. YOU'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME. 
          I'LL WAIT. WE'LL DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. OKAY. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE PEAKING PLANT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE WATER TOWER YOU'VE ALL SEEN COME UP WASTEWATER TREATMENT EXPANSION. 
          THEY'RE DOING WORK OUT THERE. JUST APPROVED FOR THE POLICE SHOOTING RANGE. THAT SHOULD BE COMING. IT WAS APPROVED, I BELIEVE FEBRUARY 12TH. OKAY. YEAH. OR WAS IT THE 26TH? I THINK IT WAS THE 12TH. DID WE DO WE KNOW WHEN WE EXPECT IT TO ARRIVE, WHEN WE START SPENDING MONEY AND ALL THAT STUFF? YES. IT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE MONTHS THAT IT WILL TAKE TO FABRICATE IT. AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ON SITE REVIEW OR SITE PREP WORK WITH CPS, PUBLIC WORKS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE IT'S NEXT WEDNESDAY MORNING AND WE'RE JUST ALL GOING TO COLLECTIVELY GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE. 
          WE'LL WE'LL HAVE TO BID THAT OUT BECAUSE IT WILL BE CONSIDERED A PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACT. BUT GETTING ALL THE PLAYERS THAT HAVE AN IMPACT OR A STAKEHOLDER IN THAT GET IT DONE EARLY. SO WHEN THE FABRICATED RANGE ARRIVES IN THE NEXT BOX, EVERYTHING WILL BE READY ELECTRICAL, CONCRETE, IT'LL ALL BE READY TO GO. WE ALSO HAVE THE FIRE STORAGE FACILITY THAT I BELIEVE WILL BE COMING BACK AROUND FOR DISCUSSION. THE SANITATION AND STREETS ADMINISTRATION FACILITY WAS BUDGETED, AS WELL AS WATER ADMINISTRATION FACILITY, AND THEN ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WATER COMMERCIAL METERS. ARE THOSE FUNDED. AND PART OF THAT IS NOT ARE THE SANITATION AND THE WATER SHARING A BUILDING CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. NO NO SANITATION SHARING WITH STREETS. WATER IS A SEPARATE OKAY. THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, I THINK. ARE THESE ALL I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT. WATER. ONE OF THEM IS OUT TO IS IN DESIGN AND THE OTHER HAS ALREADY BEEN BID AND IS UNDERWAY. YEAH, STREET SANITATION HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED, BUT THESE ARE TWO NEW BUILDINGS. WE'RE NOT TWO SEPARATE ON THAT PROPERTY. THAT MUST BE BACKED UP. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FOR THE WATER BUILDING. ISN'T THAT THE ONE? THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING FORWARD? YES. AND THE OTHER ONE IS DESIGN. DESIGN WORK. THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. IT IS. THAT IS CORRECT, JIM, BECAUSE IT'S WITH. AIRBNB OR WHATEVER. OKAY. WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE EXISTING WATER BUILDING. YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE BUILDING THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. RIGHT. AND THE OTHER ONE REMAINS THEIR STORAGE BUILDING. YEAH. WE'RE NOT TEARING IT DOWN AS FAR AS I KNOW. IT'LL IT WILL DEFINITELY COME TO COUNCIL. OKAY. THEY'LL PUT OUT AN RFP AND GIVE US A BUDGET AND OR THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE DESIGN WORK. THEY'LL SET IT OUT FOR BID AND THEN THEY'LL COME FORWARD. AND IF I COULD ADD A LITTLE BIT FOR SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT MIGHT BE LISTENING, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF JUST GIVING YOU A SNAPSHOT THAT BROOKS IS GIVING YOU TODAY ON OUR PROJECTS. THAT WAY YOU CAN START SEEING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO UP OUR EXPENDITURES FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR TOWARDS THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO START SEEING EITHER COME TO COUNCIL OR YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE EXPENDITURES GO UP. AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE LARGE PROJECTS THAT WERE BUDGETED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF JUST DOING A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE LARGER PROJECTS. OKAY. SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME AREAS WHERE WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS FISCAL YEAR. PERMIT AND IMPACT FEE REVENUES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN FROM PRIOR YEARS. WE DID HAVE SOME REALLY ACTIVE YEARS. SO THEY'RE BUT THEY ARE LOWER THAN EVEN THOSE YEARS. SO ANY PARTICULAR TYPE OF ACTIVITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITY ARE WE? I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THE DETAILS OF JUST PRIMARILY OVERALL IT IS LOW. SO THE LAST ONE I LOOKED AT, JANUARY, WE WERE A THIRD OF WHAT WE HAD IN PRIOR YEARS. 
          JANUARY. SO IN FEBRUARY IS CONTINUING IN THAT SAME TRACK. SO WE JUST ARE MUCH, MUCH LOWER ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT WE DID HAVE LOTS OF LARGE PROJECTS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN APRIL, YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE ANOTHER QUARTERLY REPORT FOR PERMIT FEES. AND THAT IS PART OF THE REPORTING. SO WE'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT EARLY RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER REPORT COMING IN THE FIRST PART OF APRIL FOR THE LAST QUARTER THAT ENDS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, MARCH 31ST. SO IS IT KIND OF REASONABLE TO THINK THAT THE NUMBERS WE'RE SEEING NOW MAY BE MORE TYPICAL FOR THE NEXT SOME PERIOD OF TIME, BECAUSE WE KIND OF HAD A 
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BOOM AND THE BOOMS KIND OF WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE PUT IT ALL OFF NOW WE GOT TO CHEW IT AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO POTENTIALLY. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF JUST HESITATION WITH VOLATILITY IN THE MARKET TARIFFS. THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPERS I THINK THAT ARE ALSO IN A HOLDING PATTERN. SO UNLESS YOU HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN PREDICT WHERE THAT'S GOING. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MARKET'S SLOWING DOWN. THE NEXT ITEM THERE AS WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR WE MOVED A LOT OF SERVICES THAT USED TO BE PAID FOR THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. WE ARE NOW CHARGING THEM DIRECTLY TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. SO THINGS LIKE PARKS, MAINTENANCE OF POWER PROPERTIES, THOSE ARE NOW BEING CHARGED DIRECTLY TO POWER. 
          STREET LIGHTS AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS WERE ANOTHER ITEM THAT USED TO BE PAID FOR BY STREETS THAT MOVED TO POWER AND THEN STREET SWEEPING, MOVING TO SANITATION. SO THOSE ARE THREE AREAS THAT WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON TO SEE THE THE EXPECTED ESTIMATES THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE TRANSITIONING. IS THAT ACTUALLY COMING TO FRUITION IN THE AMOUNTS THAT WE'RE EXPECTING? BUT THOSE WERE SOME LARGER DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOUPING WHAT WE EXPECTED, BECAUSE THOSE COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. AND IF I JUST MAY ADD, THE MILESTONE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WAS IN OUR BUDGET MEETINGS THAT WE HAD IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR. SO JUST TO KIND OF MILESTONE US FOR MEMORY PURPOSES IS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THOSE CHARGES IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR TO OUR COUNCIL. AND MANY OF THOSE COSTS ARE HIGHER AT THE END OF LIKE THROUGH THE SUMMER. SO AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE EARLY TO SEE ARE WE ACTUALLY MAKING WHAT WE EXPECTED. SO WE REALLY WON'T KNOW UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON THOSE. WE ALSO HAD AN AMOUNT EXPECTED OF POWER PAYING BACK THE CITY FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. SO THAT IS AN AREA THAT IS BEING LOOKED INTO OF HOW MUCH THAT ACTUALLY IS AND AT WHAT RETROACTIVELY, POTENTIALLY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. THEN PUBLIC SAFETY OVERTIME. SO IT'S NOT JUST FIRE BUT ALSO POLICE. 
          THOSE TWO AREAS FOR OVERTIME CAN GO OUT OF CONTROL PRETTY QUICKLY. SO WE WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON THOSE. PART OF IT IS JUST MANDATORY OVERTIME BASED ON. SO FOR POLICE IT'S THINGS LIKE COURT AND TRAINING AND THINGS THAT THEY GO AND THEY HAVE TO GET OVERTIME ON TOP OF THEIR SHIFTS. BUT ON TOP OF THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE VACANCIES AND WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT ON LEAVE. 
          THOSE THINGS CAN ALSO CAUSE LOTS MORE OVERTIME. SO THOSE ARE AREAS WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON AS WELL. THE ANOTHER ITEM THAT IS RELATIVELY SMALL LAST YEAR, BUT WE'RE JUST WANTING TO GET OUR HANDLE AROUND IT BETTER, IS THE TIMING OF THE HOMEOWNER TAX REDUCTION AND THE PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION AMOUNTS THAT COME FROM THE STATE, RATHER THAN THROUGH OUR PROPERTY TAX ALLOCATIONS. WE HAD ABOUT 400,000 EXTRA LAST YEAR THAN WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. SO WHICH MAY JUST BE SOME TIMING, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO COUNT ON THAT GOING FORWARD. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE TIMING OF WHEN WE GET THOSE FUNDINGS FROM THE STATE, SO THAT WE'RE NOT CAUGHT UNAWARE IN A FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS ONE TO COUNCIL? THIS ONE ACTUALLY MAKES ME NERVOUS BECAUSE THIS IS WHEN THE STATE LEGISLATURE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND HELP WITH PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TAXES. SO THEY ALLOCATED MONEY TO REDUCE PROPERTY TAXES ACROSS THE STATE. BUT THIS IS A THIS IS AN APPROPRIATION. AND I THINK IT'S TO THE TUNE OF OVER $2 MILLION THAT THEY GIVE TO US TO REDUCE IDAHO FALLS RESIDENTS PROPERTY TAXES. SO IF THEY DON'T APPROPRIATE IT, THAT'S ON. 
          WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THE REDUCTION OR ON, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE, OH, CAN YOU INCREASE 3% OR THE WHOLE AMOUNT JUST COMES BACK. BUT I AM JUST SAYING THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING TO WATCH CAREFULLY BECAUSE IT IS AN APPROPRIATION. IT'S NOT JUST A GUARANTEE, BUT ON THE NET. IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T IMPACT OUR DOLLARS, DOES IT? I MEAN, YES, THEY GIVE US WELL, IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR DOLLARS. 
          IT IT AFFECTS WHO PAYS IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. NOW THERE COULD BE A TIMING ISSUE, I SUPPOSE, WITH THE CASH FLOW DEPENDING ON WHEN THEY GIVE IT TO US. AND YOU KNOW, BUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS WE'RE WE'RE KEPT WHOLE. IT'S THE TAXPAYERS THAT GET THE REDUCTION. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE STATE COUNTS AS PART OF 3%, THE BILLION DOLLARS FROM THE STATE REDUCES OUR LEVY BECAUSE. SO WE SET THE LEVY RATE ALREADY WITHIN THE PARAMETERS AND THEN WE GET THE MILLION DOLLARS. OKAY. YEAH. SO, SO IF OUR IF WE SUDDENLY IF THEY DIDN'T APPROPRIATE IT FROM YEAR TO YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT 
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STEP ONE OF THAT IS I REALLY DON'T. AND ANOTHER THING, IF I MAY ADD, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN A FEW YEARS AGO, PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, WAS ACTUALLY A RETRO ALL THE WAY BACK TO JANUARY 1ST INSTEAD OF LIKE A JULY 1ST TYPE OF IMPLEMENTATION DATE. SO WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE COULD SOMETHING COULD COME OUT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY RETRO BACK TO THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. SOME OF THESE ISSUES. OKAY. ANOTHER AREA WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON, WE HAVE SUBMITTED FOR GMT GROUND EMERGENCY MEDICAL TRANSPORT. YEAH, IT'S A MEDICAID PROGRAM THROUGH THE STATE. SO WE ARE WAITING TO SEE HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY GET. WE'RE EXPECTING 600,000 TO 1 MILLION, BUT WE BUDGETED 600,000. THE FIRE TEAM ONLY PLANNED TO SPEND IT ON SOME EQUIPMENT, SO THEY'RE NOT PLANNING TO SPEND IT ON THEIR ONGOING OPERATIONS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS FUNDING SOURCE IS HAPPENING AND IN THAT AMOUNT. SO THIS IS ONE WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GETTING. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ALSO GET THE PRIOR YEAR. THIS IS REIMBURSEMENT I BELIEVE, FOR 22 OR 23 ACTIVITY. SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT FOR THE OTHER YEARS AS WELL. BUT IT'S ALL CONTINGENT ON THIS. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN MONTHS AGO. WE HAD TO SUBMIT IT MONTHS AGO, BUT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO FUND IT BY APRIL. SO WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE OUT FOR THAT ONE. OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY QUESTIONS OR AREAS WE'LL DISCUSS MORE ON THOSE KIND OF WATCH AREAS. SO JUST A REMINDER OF OUR DIFFERENT ONGOING DEBT OBLIGATIONS. WE HAVE THE POLICE COMPLEX APPLICATION THAT HAS A BOND PAYMENT OF 2 MILLION EACH YEAR. OUR POWER REVENUE BONDS. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, ONE FROM 2021 FOR IT REALLY GOES THE PAIN. SO PAIN STATION AND THEN 2024 FOR POWER SUPPLY. 
          THOSE TWO HAVE DEBT OF 5.3 MILLION ANNUALLY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE. AND THEN OUR WASTEWATER DEQ LOAN WE SPEND ABOUT 1,000,001 EVERY YEAR AND DEBT SERVICE FOR THAT. POLICE COMPLEX IS THE ONLY GENERAL FUND, CORRECT? YEP. THEN WE ALSO HAVE A FEW ONGOING LEASE OBLIGATIONS. FIRE HAS SOME EQUIPMENT THAT WE SPEND ABOUT HUNDRED THOUSAND, A LITTLE OVER 300,000 A YEAR ON. AND THEN POLICE VEHICLES, ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF IN THOSE. WE HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LEASES OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. SO WE MAKE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF EVERY YEAR FOR THOSE LEASE PAYMENTS. SO THAT PARKING PART, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE NUMBER KIND OF CONSISTENTLY FOR THE NEXT DECADE? YOUR THOUGHTS? RIGHT NOW IT'S A PRETTY FLAT, BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE COST OF THE VEHICLES. SO AND THE INTEREST RATES, BECAUSE WE GO FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN THEY'RE OURS FOR 3 OR 4. HOWEVER, YEAH WE HAVE OUR FIRST ROUND THAT IS JUST ROLLED OFF AND WE'RE REPLACING NEW ONES. SO IT'S STAYED RELATIVELY STEADY THIS LAST 2 TO 2 THIS YEAR. BUT IT ALL DEPENDED ON INTEREST RATES AND THE COST OF THE VEHICLES AS WELL. SO A LOT OF THE VEHICLES WE'RE REPLACING THIS YEAR COST MORE THAN WE WERE EXPECTING. 
          AND THEN JUST UPFITTING COSTS AND ALL THAT. BUT THE LEASE PAYMENT IS RELATIVELY STAYED STEADY BECAUSE INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN A LITTLE LOWER. SO THEN WE HAVE A FEW INTERNAL OBLIGATIONS. GOLF IRRIGATION FOR A FEW YEARS AGO IS REPLENISHING THE MERC FOR PARKS AND REC. SO THAT'S A 300,000 PAYMENT EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS LEFT ON THAT. FIBER AND POWER HAVE A LOAN AS WELL, OF 19.2 MILLION FOR THAT BUILD OUT OF OUR FIBER TO THE HOME PLUS INTEREST. AND THEY'VE STARTED REPAYING THAT NOW. I BELIEVE WE ALSO SAW THE REPAYMENT PLAN. THEY'RE HOPING TO PAY THAT BACK OVER TEN YEARS, BASED ON THE CASH THEY HAVE AVAILABLE ON THE HYBRID. THEN WE HAVE THIS NEW ONE. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FRANCIS, FOR BRINGING IT UP. THIS IS THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION. SO THE FUNDING OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION HAS BEEN BY THE GENERAL FUND, BY WASTEWATER AND POWER. AND WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT ALLOCATION OF HOW WE REPAY BACK WASTEWATER AND POWER FOR THOSE AMOUNTS THAT THEY'VE CONTRIBUTED UPFRONT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO A COST ALLOCATION, MAKE A PAYBACK OVER 5 TO 10 YEARS. BUT WE WOULD HAVE INTEREST. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL BE COMING IN THIS UPCOMING BUDGET. YEAH. GOLF IRRIGATION, MERCURY REPLENISHMENT. THEY BORROWED ABOUT 2 MILLION FROM PARKS AND RECS FUNDS TO TO BUILD OUT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. SO WE'LL BE REPLENISHING THEIR. SO IN ESSENCE, COUNCILOR LARSON, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPRIORITIZE SOME OF THEIR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WANTED TO BUY, AND REPRIORITIZE THAT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO HAVE THE THE ROOM TO PAY BACK THAT 300. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. ANY 
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OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE INTERNAL OBLIGATIONS? SO WE WOULD EXPECT THE EUROPEAN PLANTATION REPAYMENT ALLOCATION TO COME BACK AS LIKE A REPAYMENT PLAN. IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE BASED ON SOME TYPE OF COST ALLOCATION. BUT BECAUSE IT'S A REPAYMENT VERSUS A THIS IS FOR THE PAYMENT OF UPCOMING SERVICES. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST PART OF THE POSSIBILITY OF TRANSFERS EVERY YEAR. IT'LL BE ITS OWN REPAYMENT PLAN. WHEN YOU GET TIME, WILL YOU JUST HELP GIVE US THE AMOUNT OF THE ANNUAL PAYMENT FROM. PARKS? I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS A MURF REPLENISHMENT, AS WELL AS AN ANNUAL PAYMENT. THERE ISN'T A SEPARATE PAYMENT. OH, SO IT'S MURF REPLENISHMENT 300,300 PLUS. OH, SO THAT'S NOT A PLUS THE ANNUAL PAYMENT. SO OVER THE YEARS IT INCREASES A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO OKAY. YEAH. SORRY. NO THAT'S OKAY. I JUST WAS LIKE OH I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD TWO THINGS GOING ON. I BELIEVE NEXT YEAR IT'S 325 OKAY. FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS THEN 350 SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE ASSUMPTIONS. WE MET WITH THE MAYOR LAST WEEK TO KIND OF COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF WHAT TO PRESENT TO YOU. AND THEN WE WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION YOU WANT US TO TAKE AS WE BUILD OUT THE BUDGET. AGAIN, THE GOAL BEING THAT WHEN WE COME TO YOU WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIND MONEY TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR EMPLOYEE CHANGES. OR DO WE BUILD IN THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE OR NOT? SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY DECIDE THAT EARLIER SO THAT WE COME TO YOU WITH A RELATIVELY COMPLETE BUDGET AND THEN DEAL WITH THE PRIORITIES THAT YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON, RATHER THAN OVERALL JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE BUDGET BALANCE. SO THE FIRST AREA WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE REVENUE ASSUMPTION FOR PROPERTY TAXES. THE 3% STATUTORILY ALLOWABLE INCREASE WOULD BE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF. THAT PRETTY MUCH WOULD BE GOING TOWARDS THE PERSONAL AND BENEFIT CHANGES OF 73 AND POTENTIALLY COLA, AS WELL AS KIND OF SOME SOME OF THOSE AREAS TO WATCH, MAKING SURE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CAPACITY IN CASE THINGS DON'T GO AS EXPECTED. WELL, FOR. COUNCILOR LEE, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THAT PAST PRACTICE, HAS BEEN THAT WE'VE ALWAYS IDENTIFIED THE 3% STATUTORY OF 1.5 MILLION TO BE PRIORITIZED TOWARDS EMPLOYEE COSTS FIRST. SO THAT'S JUST BEEN OUR PAST PRACTICE. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE THAT MILESTONE. THANK YOU. AND THE SECOND ITEM IS GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF ABOUT HALF A MILLION THERE. IN PAST YEARS. IT'S BEEN ANYWHERE FROM 400 TO 900,000. 
          WE DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER UNTIL JULY. SO WE'D LIKE TO PUT IN AN ASSUMPTION. AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HOLD THAT FOR NEW ONE TIME REQUESTS OR NEW PERSONNEL REQUESTS, SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO PRIORITIZE AND SAY, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT TOWARDS VERSUS BUILDING IN AND ASSUMING WE'RE USING IT FOR GENERAL OPERATIONS. OKAY, AND THEN FOREGONE JUST TO GET THE INFORMATION OF WHAT COULD BE AVAILABLE IF THE OPTION WERE TAKEN TO ELECT TO TAKE FOREGONE, 1% COULD BE USED FOR OPERATIONS. IT'S ABOUT 525,000 WITH KIND OF CURRENT PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES, 3% THAT COULD GO TOWARDS CAPITAL PROJECTS IS ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT PLAN TO BUILD IN UNLESS WE HAVE THE DIRECTION TO BUILD THAT IN. SO WHEN YOU SAY GROWTH, WHEN GROWTH IN ANNEXATION GROWTH IS A NEW APARTMENT BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT, SO THAT GOES UP AND THEN THAT STAYS IN THE BASE. 
          RIGHT ON BECAUSE IT'S ONGOING. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. AND BRICKS THE THE 3% ONE TIME CAPITAL PROJECT DOESN'T GET TO STAY IN THE BUDGET RIGHT. IT DOESN'T GET TO STAY IN THE TAX BASE. SO IT'D BE IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT YEAR. AND THEN IT'S A ONE TIME THING AND IT GOES IT DOESN'T ADD TO OUR YOUR YOUR TOTAL. CORRECT. SO THAT CHANGES THE LEVY AMOUNT FOR ONE YEAR. 
          THE LEVY AMOUNT WOULD GO AWAY AFTER THAT. WAS IT FOR ONE YEAR OR UNTIL THE PROJECT WAS DONE? I BELIEVE IT'S FOR THAT ONE YEAR AND WE HAVE THE FUNDS AND HAVE TO SPEND THEM ON THOSE PROJECTS. THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO ALL BE COMPLETED IN THAT ONE YEAR, BUT THAT ONE THAT IT'S COMING FROM THE FOREGONE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT UP. AND SO THAT IT IS GONE FROM THAT BASE THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE IN FUTURE YEARS TO BUILD TO BASE USING THAT 1%. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE A 3% CAPITAL, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE CAPITAL ITEMS SPECIFICALLY, AND WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THEM IN PUBLIC NOTICE AND IN THE PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR AND ACTUALLY PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THEY'RE VERY PROJECT SPECIFIC FUNDS. SO DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE OTHER ASSUMPTIONS AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK. HOW 
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MUCH DO WE HAVE LEFT IN FOREGONE. IT'S ABOUT 5 MILLION I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER RIGHT OFF, BUT ABOUT 5 MILLION OKAY. OKAY. THE NEXT AREA IS OUR BASELINE PERSONNEL ASSUMPTIONS. SO WE WOULD BE ASSUMING TO INCLUDE JUST NORMAL STEP AND GRADE INCREASES UP THE PERFORMANCE BASE. INCREASES THAT HAPPEN. THEN POWER HAS A UNION. WE GENERALLY ESTIMATE 6% BECAUSE THEY GO THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS AND IT COMPLETES IN MAY. SO TIMING WISE WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT WILL BE UNTIL MAY FOR ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES. WE WOULD BE ASSUMING A 2% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT. THAT WOULD BE FIRE AND THE REST OF THE CITY FIRE DOES HAVE THE UNION, BUT THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT, THEY'RE TIED TO WHAT THE CITY THE REST OF THE CITY GETS. SO WE'D BE ASSUMING A 2% INCREASE THERE. LOOKING AT THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, THE OR NATIONALLY, IT'S ABOUT 2.4 RIGHT NOW. THE WEST REGION IS 2.7. SO THIS IS A LITTLE UNDER THAT. BUT AGAIN KIND OF BEING CAUTIOUS IN HOW MUCH WE'RE INCREASING BECAUSE OUR REVENUES DO NOT GO UP AT THAT RATE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING WITHIN WHAT WE STAY WITHIN OUR MEANS. INSURANCE. WE HAVE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM DIRECTOR JONES IN OUR HUMAN RESOURCES TEAM THAT THEY'VE NEGOTIATED 4.7% INCREASE FOR OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. WE WOULD PLAN TO BUDGET 5% JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE MIGHT CHANGE PLANS. SO AND THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLANS AS FAR AS THAT COST. SO IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM THERE AS WELL AS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DENTAL RATE CHANGE WILL BE YET. AND SO IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM THERE. SO ON DENTAL WE WOULD ASSUME 10%. FOR DENTAL WE'RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE SIDE. SO THOSE TWO COMBINED GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER THAN THE OTHER OR CHANGES BETWEEN PLANS. AND THEN PERCY, WE HAVEN'T BEEN NOTIFIED OF ANY CHANGES. THEY OFTEN MAKE CHANGES IN JULY OR APRIL, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN NOTIFIED OF ANY. BUT LOOKING AT THE PAST HISTORY, SOMETIMES IT GOES UP, SOMETIMES IT GOES DOWN. BUT WHEN IT CHANGES, IT'S USUALLY ABOUT 6 TO 8%. IT DEPENDS ON THE STOCK MARKET. YEAH. YEAH IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY'RE EARNING. SO PLANNING LIKE A 3.5% INCREASE THERE JUST IN CASE WE HAVE A LITTLE BUFFER THERE IN CASE THERE'S A CHANGE MID-YEAR. 
          WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THEM THIS JULY BUT POTENTIALLY IN APRIL THERE COULD BE AN ADJUSTMENT WHICH IS HALFWAY THROUGH OUR FISCAL YEAR. YEAH. WHAT IS IT SAFE PERFORMANCE PHASE FOR STEPPING. GREAT. SO THAT IS THOSE ARE THE INCREASES OF IF YOU HAVE AN ANNUAL EVALUATION AND YOU'RE NOT PERFORMING WELL, YOU MAY NOT GET THAT INCREASE. IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE ANOTHER YEAR TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP OF YOUR PAY GRADE. WELL, WHEN WE LOOK THAT'S AN INTERNAL DEPARTMENT DECISION. WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO FUND THE SALARY SCHEDULE, PLUS COLA OR WHATEVER, WE DECIDE ON, THAT PHRASE DOESN'T APPLY IN MY MIND. THAT'S INTERNAL DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S WE WOULD ASSUME EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET THE STEP WHEN BUDGETING RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT MAY OR MAY NOT. RIGHT. SO WE CAN'T ACTUALLY ANTICIPATE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOWER NUMBER NECESSARILY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FULLY FUNDING THE STEP AND GRADES. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT MOVEMENT IN GRADES OR WHATEVER MIGHT HAPPEN AS PEOPLE GET PROMOTIONS. BUT I'M JUST WE'RE NOT ON A PERFORMANCE BASED SYSTEM YET. OR MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE VERY LITTLE EFFECT ANYWAY. RIGHT? THERE WOULDN'T BE. RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A BIG EFFECT ON HOW WE THINK ABOUT THE BUDGET. AS WE PUT IT TOGETHER EARLY. YEAH. AND THEN THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT WOULD JUST IT WOULD CHANGE THE ENTIRE TABLE. RIGHT. EXACTLY. KEEP UP WITH INFLATION. SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GOING BACK TO THE ONE THAT STARTS WITH THE REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS, THAT 3% IS STATUTORILY ALLOWED AND IT COMES OUT ROUGHLY THE 1.5 MILLION IT WOULD BE FOR PERSONNEL AND BENEFITS. AND THEN LIKE DEPARTMENT INCREASES TO THE CPI. SO YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE FLAT BUDGET. BUT WE KNOW FUEL IS GOING UP. WE KNOW POWER IS GOING UP. THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE 1.5 WOULD BASICALLY BE MANAGING OUR CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICE OR SERVICE LEVEL. YEAH. AND THEN IF IF WE WENT OVER THEN BY THE TIME IT GOT TO COUNCIL WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY ASKED DIRECTORS TO REMOVE THINGS FROM THEIR BUDGET TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE FIT WITHIN THE 1.5 MILLION. THEN THE 525,000 WOULD BE FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE HOW, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S FUNDING SOME OF 
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THE PRIORITIES THAT IT'S LIKE, LET'S PUT MORE OF AN EMPHASIS ON THAT OR NEW REQUESTS. BUT ANYTHING THAT WAS CUT FROM THOSE INITIAL BUDGETS WOULD ALSO COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AND SEE, OH, WELL, WE CUT THIS AND YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO A GOOD DIVE ON ALL BUDGETS THIS YEAR, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE DIRECTORS ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A POSTCARD OR A MAILING OF SOME KIND FOR THE BUDGET. AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE REALLY IT'LL IT'LL BE VERY TRANSPARENT. AND THAT'S THE INTENT. THERE IS 1.5 TO COVER THE INCREASES BASICALLY FROM THIS YEAR. AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE WHATEVER COMES IN AND GREW UP IN ANNEXATION. SO I GUESS THE ONE QUESTION THAT WE DO HAVE FOR TODAY, FOR THEM TO START BUILDING OUT THAT BUDGET, IS WHETHER THAT IS A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE 3% ALLOWABLE. I WOULD ALWAYS RECOMMEND YOU TAKE GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. SO THAT THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT TO BUILD THE BUDGET AROUND THIS 3% STATUTORY ALLOWABLE. I THINK THE OTHER THING WE FOUND IS. SHORT ANSWER, YES, THAT WE'VE NEEDED IT AT TIMES AND SO PLANNED THAT WAY, THEN IT'S PROBABLY. AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BACKGROUND, WE DON'T HAVE OUR PERSONNEL PROJECTIONS YET, BUT LOOKING AT LAST YEAR'S FOR JUST THE COLA FOR OUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, EVERY PERCENT IS ABOUT A HALF MILLION. SO EVERY PERCENT WE GIVE IS ABOUT A HALF A MILLION MORE IN THE BUDGET. AND LAST YEAR, OUR BASELINE, WE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER THE PRIOR YEAR. 
          SO OUR BASELINE ONLY HAD A SMALL INCREASE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THIS YEAR'S WILL A SMALL INCREASE. SO JUST THE STEP IN GRADES MAY HAVE AN INCREASE. THEN EVERY COLA PERCENTAGE IS ANOTHER HALF A MILLION. WHAT DID WE DO LAST YEAR? 3% 3% LAST YEAR. AND WHAT DID THAT COST. SO 1.51. YEAH. BUT YOU WERE SAYING IT COULD BE 1.7 BECAUSE THE BASELINE. SORRY. 
          COULD YOU GIVE ME THE NUMBER AGAIN JUST FOR THE SECOND STEP. WE HAVE NOT RUN THE NUMBERS LAST YEAR. THERE JUST WASN'T MUCH INCREASE BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT. OKAY. LIKE IF YOU HAVE RETIREMENTS AND THEN YOU HIRE SOMEONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND GRADE, YOU GET A LOT OF SAVINGS THERE OR JUST VACANCIES AND IN THE, IN THE BUDGET. SO LAST YEAR OUR BASE WAS ONLY LIKE 60,000 MORE THAN THE PRIOR YEARS AND BEING THE FIRST. SO I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO BE A TREND TO CONTINUE. SO DEMOGRAPHICALLY WE HAVE THE BABY BOOMER. SO WHAT DO WE DO. AND WE'VE HAD SOME RETIREMENTS. AND THESE AGAIN WE HAVEN'T RUN THE NUMBERS WHERE WE HAVE THOSE NEXT WEEK. WE TAKE A. REALLY I'M CURIOUS. WE NEED TO COME TO THOSE NUMBERS. YEAH. YEAH I'M CURIOUS HOW OUR FULL TIME, OUR NUMBER OF FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, COMPARABLY TO YEARS PAST AND HOW MANY POSITIONS DID WE HAD THIS YEAR AND HOW MANY WENT UNFILLED? YEAH, WE DO HAVE PLENTY OF VACANCIES STILL. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT. SO I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE ABOUT 800 FTES. IT'S AND IT'S BEEN INCREASING YEAR OVER YEAR. ARE WE OVER 800 EMPLOYEES NOW? YEAH OKAY. FOR A FEW YEARS. YEAH OKAY. I THINK YOU HAVE I MEAN THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE FLOOR. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE SAYING 20 OR SO. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH FIRE THAT THEY HAVE A 2%. INCREASE. YEP. AND WE'RE IN OUR THIS WOULD BE OUR SECOND YEAR OF THREE. YEAH. SO THAT THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE TO START AS WE START BUILDING OUT THE BUDGET. OKAY. YEAH. WELL ARE WE GOOD WITH THE THREE. ARE WE GOOD. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT IF WE ARE GETTING A 3% RAISE AND WE ONLY HAVE GROWTH AT 5.25, THAT MEANS $1 MILLION. IT NEEDS TO COME FROM THE DEPARTMENTS. YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE. YEAH. SO THE 3% IS THE STATUTORY. AND MAYBE WE BUILD IN A 2% TO MATCH BUYERS FOR RIGHT NOW. AND THEN KIND OF SEE WHERE SOME OF THIS AS WE WORK THROUGH THE SALARIES TO SEE WHERE IT LANDS. BUT I THINK AS A GROUP, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE WHOLE AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IF WE GET BEHIND, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO CATCH UP. AND SO WE DO WANT TO TRY TO GIVE THE INDICATION TO OUR DIRECTORS 
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THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT OVER THEIR OPERATIONS. 
          SO. AND THE CPI WAS 2.6, 2.7 FOR THE LAST 2.4 NATIONALLY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT JANUARY YEAR OVER YEAR AND JANUARY NUMBERS AREN'T FINAL, BUT IT'S ABOUT 250,000. I COULD CHANGE WHEN WHEN DO WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE OR WHEN SHOULD WE MAKE THE FOREGONE DECISION. SO WE'RE NOT DOING IT AT THE END OF JULY. WHEN I THINK WHEN WE GET BACK THE INITIAL BUDGETS AND THE INITIAL COST OF EMPLOYEES, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT FOREGONE. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WAS THAT EARLY JULY WHEN THAT. YEAH. YEAH. WHY? BECAUSE WE WE HEAR FROM THE BUDGETS AND SOMETIMES THEY WANT TO BUILD LIKE LIKE THE ZOO. LIKE YOU KNOW THAT THAT PROJECT IS THAT THIS YEAR AND SOME OF THAT'S THE LOGICAL MONEY. BUT SOME OF IT'S GOING TO BE NOT. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE OUR CAPITAL PROJECT MONEY ONCE WE SEE WHAT'S ASKED FOR. AND THEN WE'VE DONE SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT OF FLIPPING RIGHT WHERE WE SAID, HEY, IF WE TAKE IT HERE IN THE IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE KIND OF SAFETY SECTION AND WE PUT IT THERE, THEN WE HAVE MORE ROOM IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR OTHER THINGS. BUT I THINK WE'LL KNOW SOME OF THAT JULY. YEAH, WE HAVE UNTIL LATE AUGUST, RIGHT, TO PASS THE. SO I'M HEARING WE'RE OKAY BUILDING IN THE 3% ALLOWABLE. YEP. PLAN ON THE GROWTH. AND I THINK WE DO TAKE IN BUT NOT OBLIGATED TO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU SEE IT IN JULY. AND THEN WE'LL WAIT ON FOREGONE AS WELL. OKAY. AND THEN FOR PERSONNEL, ASSUMING THE SEVEN GRADE 6% ASSUMED FOR POWER, 2% FOR ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES IS 6% SOMETHING FOR POWER BECAUSE THE MILLIMAN STUDY, THAT'S WHAT WE DO IS BASED ON AND BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE 6% GROWTH ANYMORE BECAUSE THOSE WERE SOME PRETTY INTENSE YEARS, THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND PARTICULARLY AT THE TOP OF THAT MARKET. AND WE MAY NOT BE PAYING SOMEONE AT THE TOP OF THAT. THE NEW DIRECTOR. SO IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A FOUR AND A HALF, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF MILLIMAN HAS ANY SERVICES LIKE THAT WHERE THEY CAN TELL US, BUT IT DOES DEPEND ON OUR POOL. RIGHT? OPTICS OF THAT ARE GOOD THOUGH. YEAH, I WILL SAY EVERYBODY'S SALARY GROWTH IS SLOWED EXPONENTIALLY SINCE 23 AND 22, WHEN YOU WERE SEEING 15 AND 20% GROWTH YEAR OVER YEAR SOMETIMES, AND THEN CATCHING UP WITH REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT. I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE OF THE THREES AND FIVES PERCENTS, WHICH WOULD HELP A LITTLE BECAUSE THE MILLIMAN WAS WHERE WE WERE MOST. MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD ALWAYS HEAR FROM LEGAL WAS THAT 6% VERSUS WHAT WE'RE GIVEN, THE REST OF THE CITY WASN'T COMPARABLE. REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION THAT A UNION CAN'T GET MORE BENEFIT THAN THE REST? OR ACCORDING TO THE. SO ANYWAY, I MEAN, THEY CAN GET MORE, BUT IT HAS TO BE IN LINE, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE. THE SPREAD IS GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER FOR THE SAME OPERATIONS HAPPENING BETWEEN POWER AND THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. IF THEY HAVE, THAT WAS EQUAL TO EQUAL JOB, JOB RESPONSIBILITIES. POWER IS. INCREASING, WHICH WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION OF OF THAT CONVERSATION AROUND COMBINING THOSE WORLDS THAT WOULD COST THE RATEPAYERS. BECAUSE IF WE GO TO BILLING ON EVERYTHING, WHICH IS ANOTHER POWER, PORT OR POWER POLICY THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, I THINK, YEAH, THIS YEAR THEY ARE IN THEY ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS. SO IT WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT MILLIMAN STILL. YEAH. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD MUCH RIGHT WITH POWER. WE'VE BEEN PRETTY OKAY HITTING MELANIN. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF CONFLICT IN THE UNION DISCUSSIONS. IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH FIRE WHERE ABOUT A YEAR STANDING UP. SO WE DON'T HAVE A COMPARABLE STUDY TO MILLIMAN FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. AND IF WE DID IT MIGHT BE REALLY EXPENSIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM AS WELL THE INSURANCE INCREASE PLANNING ON 5%, 10% FOR DENTAL. AND WE FORESEE A 3.5%. WE ACTUALLY DO NEED THAT DECISION TODAY ON THE 4.7. WE NEED TO LOCK IN IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT TO THE MARKET, IT'S A LOWER NUMBER THAN WE THINK IT IS. IT'S A YES. YEAH I DON'T YEAH OKAY. YEAH. 
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COMPARED TO YEARS PAST THE ONLY OTHER WIN. AND I TALKED TO DARREN. BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT RATE IF IT COSTS US 10 TO 12% NEXT YEAR. BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE CASE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ONLY DOING ONE YEAR. ONE YEAR. YEAH. YEP. WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMITMENTS FOR THE NEXT YEAR. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY THE ONLY CONCESSION THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE TO GET THE 4.7 IS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DECADES AGO THEY SAID THAT IF OUR INSURANCE EVER CAME IN AT 75% OF THE PREMIUMS, MEANING WE DIDN'T SPEND 25%, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RECOUP SOME OF THAT COST. I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH, WHETHER IT WAS HALF OR WHOLE, AND THAT PIECE OF THE POLICY WOULD GO AWAY WITH THIS 4.7, BECAUSE INSURANCE COMPANIES JUST AREN'T DOING THAT ANYMORE. 
          AND WE CERTAINLY AREN'T ONLY REACHING 75%. WE'VE BEEN A LOST CAUSE FOR THIS FOR INSURANCE. 
          BUT THIS YEAR WE'RE NOT. THIS YEAR WE WERE. SO FAR, WE'RE AT 92% OF COST. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ABLE TO OFFER US. WE'RE AT 92% OF PREMIUMS. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ABLE TO OFFER US THIS LOWER AMOUNT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY. AND IF ANYBODY HEARING ANYTHING ABOUT SPECIFIC SOURCE OR THE EMPLOYEES HAPPY WITH IT OR THEY I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANYBODY. I'VE MY UNDERSTANDING IS HAPPY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BECAUSE WE KEPT THEM ON THE SAME PLAN. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. THERE WAS NO DOCTOR SWITCHING. THERE'S NO PRESCRIPTION SWITCHING. NOW. IT'S IT'S SMOOTHED OUT. OKAY. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN YEARS PAST THAT. THAT'S WORTH A POINT A PERCENT OR TWO TO NOT HAVE TO PUT OUR EMPLOYEES THROUGH THE SWITCH. YEAH. WELL, AND IT DOESN'T END UP SAVING REALLY ANYTHING BECAUSE HR TAKES ALL OF THE BRUNT OF. FIGURING IT OUT. SO. OKAY. ARE YOU GOOD BRICKS. JUST. 
          YEP. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE TO GO OVER. THIS IS JUST TO TALK ABOUT SOME AREAS TO NOTE FOR THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IN THIS UPCOMING YEAR SOME FINANCIAL ISSUES. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE STAFFING OF THE NORTH FIRE STATION. WE'VE OPENED THE NORTH FIRE STATION, BUT THE CURRENT STAFFING IS BEING PULLED FROM OTHER STATIONS. SO THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THEY LONG TERM ARE WANTING AND NEEDING 9 TO 12 NEW STAFF TO BUILD A STAFF. ALL OF THE STATIONS. WAS THERE A RAMP UP SCHEDULE THAT PROPOSED ON THAT? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. SO THEY'RE JUST KIND OF STAGING IT BECAUSE YEAH, THEY CAN'T AFFORD 12 IN 1 YEAR. ALSO JUST NEEDING TO SPEND THE IMPACT FEE. SO WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE USE OF OUR IMPACT FEES. WE HAVE THE POLICE COMPLEX DEBT CLOSEOUT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE APPLIED THE EXCESS FUNDS THAT WEREN'T USED ON THE FACILITY AND THE INTEREST RATE TO THOSE TO OUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS. 
          AND SO 950,000 OF THAT IS GOING TOWARDS THAT FIRING RANGE. THE REST HAS GONE TOWARDS THE ARBITRAGE THAT WE HAD TO PAY TO THE IRS, BECAUSE WE'VE EARNED INTEREST ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'RE PAYING IN INTEREST. SO WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE MONEY OFF THESE BONDS, BUT THE REST THAT'S LEFT OVER IS ABOUT 680,000. THAT WILL BE UP FOR GRABS. BUT ANOTHER DISCUSSION POINT OF WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT FUNDING? IF WE WANT TO JUST KEEP IT IN THE BANK OR PUT IT TOWARDS SOME ONE TIME PROJECTS, THE BANK MEANS THAT WE COULD USE IT WHEN WE HIT THE YEAR 20, WHEN WE CAN START PAYING IT OFF EARLY. SO IT WOULD JUST SIT THERE. CAN WE MAKE WE CAN MAKE INTEREST ON IT. YES, YES. BUT WE PAY BACK. WE DON'T PAY IT ALL BACK TO THE IRS, THAT MONEY. SO I THINK THAT'S WISE TO JUST IN TIME POWER OF MONEY. YOU CAN PUT IT 20 YEARS AWAY. THAT COULD BE 4 MILLION OR 5 MILLION AT THE END. SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT, I MEAN, WE'VE HIT ALL THE NEEDS THE POLICE HAVE ASKED FOR IN TERMS OF THE SHOOTING RANGE IS KIND OF THE LAST ONE. I IT'S A PRETTY BEAUTIFUL BUILDING ALREADY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO PUT MORE INTO IT. CAN SOME OF THAT BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE. BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS IS GENERAL FUND ANYTHING MONEY. IT IS 680,000. IN THE GENERAL FUND. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS AND YEARS, IS SHOULD WE BE SETTING ASIDE MONEY IN PROJECTS. THAT'S A PERCENTAGE. 
          SO THAT SO THAT OVER THE TIME OF A PROJECT YOU'RE EARNING INTEREST SO THAT WHEN THE FURNACE, YOU KNOW. IF YOU SET IT ASIDE AND THEN SAY IT CAN BE FOR THAT AND THEN HELP IT GROW, AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE AS MUCH, THAT'S WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS. IF I COULD JUST ADD A COUPLE MILESTONES FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES. SO WHEN, WHEN WE WHEN WE ISSUED THE COPY, IT WAS A 19 YEAR PAYBACK AT $2 MILLION THAT WE ALREADY HAD IN THE GENERAL FUND AS ONGOING. SO THAT PAYMENT WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY AVAILABLE. AND THAT WAS WHAT MADE OUR PACKAGE SO 
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ATTRACTIVE TO OUR INVESTORS. SO 19 YEAR PAYBACK, 1.89% INTEREST, $2 MILLION PAYMENT FOR THAT PERIOD OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A TEN YEAR WHERE WE HAD TO PAY CONSISTENTLY FOR TEN YEARS WITHOUT PENALTY. AFTER TEN YEARS, WE CAN ACTUALLY PRE-PAY OR PAY THAT DOWN SOONER THAN 19 YEARS. WE'RE AT 1.9%, 1.89%. YEAH. YES. BUT THIS CAN'T BE USED FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S BRILLIANT. THIS ONLY HAS TO BE FOR THAT. THIS WAS LEFT COMING BACK IS AVAILABLE FOR ANYTHING. IT IS NOT RESTRICTED TO THE POLICE. OKAY THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT. AND I THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN IF THAT'S AVAILABLE TO ANYTHING. I THOUGHT THAT HAD TO STAY ON THE POLICE. WE'VE APPLIED EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO STAY TO THE POLICE FACILITY, TO THE DEBT SERVICE OF THIS FACILITY. AND SO ESSENTIALLY, THAT SEEMS ODD THAT THE BONDS THAT YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO. SO I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. BUT IT'S BOND FUNDING, THE BOND FUNDING, THE SAVINGS IN PLACE. YES. SO WE WOULD BE PAYING THE BOND PAYMENT OUT OF GENERAL FUND MONEY. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAD EXCESS PROCEEDS THAT WE APPLIED. YEAH. SO IT'S GENERAL MONEY THAT'S JUST NOT AVAILABLE. THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TOWARDS THE DEBT. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A RESERVE FUND FOR THIS. RIGHT? I SAID WE DECIDED TO ORDER GENERAL FUND SAVINGS AND IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE DECIDED TODAY. IT'S JUST AN AREA THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD. IT DOES HELP THOUGH, THAT I HAVE TO PUT THE COMMENTS. YEAH. ALSO, ANIMAL CONTROL IS ANOTHER AREA OF DISCUSSION OF WHAT DO WE DO WITH ANIMAL CONTROL, IF ANYTHING. SO THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD AS WELL. THE STREET LIGHTS AND TRAFFIC POTENTIALLY RETURNING TO POWER, OR FROM POWER TO THE GENERAL FUND OR STREETS. THAT'S ANOTHER AREA FOR KEEPING AN EYE ON AS WELL. THEN JUST THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING TOPIC, BUT SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WAS STREETLIGHTS AND TRAFFIC. WE WERE ALWAYS JUST FUNDING IT. THEY WERE JUST THE POSITION WASN'T FIRED IN POWER. 
          AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT? NO. LAST YEAR WE SWITCHED IT TO POWER. IT HAD BEEN IN THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. AND SO THAT'S AN AREA THAT MIGHT BE RETURNING TO THE GENERAL FUND. AND THAT WAS ABOUT 400, 500,000 A YEAR. SO THEY FUNDED IT THAT. YES, THAT'S NOT FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. SO THE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT TO PRESERVE EXISTING SERVICES. 
          THIS IS WE DO VERY WELL. IT'S GOT OUR EQUIPMENT LISTINGS. THAT'S MOSTLY OUR ROLLING STOCK THAT OUR GARAGE MAINTAINS. SO IT'S OUR VEHICLES OUR TRUCKS AND BIG RIGS OF VARIOUS TYPES. 
          BUT THE PIECES THAT WE KIND OF HAVE A HOLE THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN FUNDING AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE A DEDICATED SOURCE OF FUNDING COMING IN IS THOSE OTHER ITEMS LIKE THE GOLF, IRRIGATION, PARKING LOTS, ROOFS AND BUILDINGS. WE PLAN TO REPLACE A FEW EVERY YEAR, BUT WE AREN'T LIKE SETTING ASIDE MONEY TO DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS FOR OUR BUILDINGS, FOR OUR EQUIPMENT. IT'S THINGS LIKE THE BASKETBALL HOOPS IN THE REC CENTER. IT'S THINGS LIKE BALLISTIC SHIELDS FOR PD. IT'S BIG THINGS THAT WE ONLY BUY EVERY 5 TO 10 YEARS, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP THOSE SERVICES GOING THAT WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING SO THAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS AREN'T HAVING TO COME IN EVERY YEAR TO COUNCIL SAYING, CAN WE PLEASE REPLACE THIS THING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR IT IN COMPETITION WITH ALL THE NEW REQUESTS? SO WE'RE COMPILING A LIST OF ALL THOSE THINGS FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO KIND OF FIND OUT HOW BIG IS THIS POPULATION, WHAT ARE THE AMOUNTS THAT WE NEED TO START SETTING ASIDE. AND I'M I'M EXPECTING MORE THAN WE CAN AFFORD IN ONE YEAR. I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO START PHASING THIS INTO KIND OF LIKE MURPH PHASING IN THOSE LISTS OF AMOUNTS. WE NEED TO START SETTING ASIDE SO THAT WE CAN JUST MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS AND AND SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING. SO ETC. WOULD INCLUDE COMPUTERS, PRINTERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE OVER 10,000. BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT DEPARTMENTS THEY BUY EVERY YEAR. THEY REPLACE 3 TO 5 OF THEIR 50 COMPUTERS THAT WE'RE NOT. WE JUST HAVE THAT IN OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET. BUT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS, WE HAVE TO SPEND 75 GRAND AND IT CAUSES THE LIPS IN THEIR OPERATING BUDGETS. THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL AS CAPITAL, THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SAVING UP FOR AS WELL. SO THINGS LIKE THE BALLISTIC SHIELDS, THEY MIGHT NEED FIVE THAT ARE EACH 15,000 EACH, AND THEY BUY THEM IN BULK TO GET A BETTER RATE. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO CAUSE A BIG BLIP. AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING IN THERE FOR IT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF SAVINGS WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND TO PRESERVE THEM, AND A FEW BIGGER THINGS LIKE. 
          I'LL BE A LITTLE CAREFUL HERE. SOME OF THE THINGS ARE REALLY UNKNOWN, LIKE, OH WOW, THIS WENT OUT. OTHER THINGS ARE LIKE, WE KNEW THAT THE BOILER WAS COMING TO THE END OF A 25 YEAR LIFE, OR WE KNEW THE FURNACE OR WE KNEW THE COOLING TOWERS, WHATEVER IT IS, THOSE ARE THOSE 
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ARE FAIRLY WELL KNOWN. BUT THEN THEY BECOME AN EMERGENCY DURING THE THE THAT YEAR THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, SUDDENLY ARE GETTING OUT. SO AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE COUNCILOR RADFORD AND COUNCILOR DINGMAN MIGHT REMEMBER THIS, BUT A FEW YEARS AGO, BACK IN 2018, 2019, WE CAME TO COUNCIL AND ASKED FOR A VERY LARGE PURCHASE FOR SEATS AT THE FRONTIER CENTER. IT WAS A HALF $1 MILLION. IT WAS ABOUT $588,000. AND AT THE TIME WE HAD COUNCILOR SMITH. THAT WAS ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME. AND AS PART OF HIS MOTION, HE SAID THAT I WILL AGREE, OBVIOUSLY, TO TO, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THESE PURCHASES FOR THE SEATS AS LONG AS THE FRONTIER CENTER DIVISION SETS ASIDE MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE OVER, IT'S USUALLY ABOUT A 2020 YEAR OR 1520 YEAR TYPE OF PAYBACK. SO IN THE BUDGET FOR FRONTIER CENTER, YOU'LL SEE IF YOU EVER SEE 20,000 SITTING THERE, IT'S JUST ACCUMULATING TO BE ABLE TO REPAIR THOSE SEATS, BECAUSE THAT'S AS BURKE HAD MENTIONED, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A VERY LARGE PURCHASE. YOU DON'T DO IT ALL THE TIME. AND SOME OF THE COMPUTERS GO, IT RECOMMENDS THAT EACH DEPARTMENT TO BUDGET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 2 OR 3 A YEAR AS FAR AS COMPUTERS GO, SO THEY CAN GET THAT ROTATION IN THEIR ONGOING BUDGET. SO THEY'RE NOT STUCK WITH HAVING TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, TEN AT ONE TIME, WHICH HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO AVOID EMERGENCY MODE, WHERE WE'RE PLANNING TO MAINTAIN THOSE SERVICES. I'M NOT A LIAISON FOR PUBLIC WORKS ANY LONGER, BUT I KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T SPEND OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR ON SNOW REMOVAL, SO WE HAVE A POLICY ON THAT. SO I KNOW BUT ISN'T IS OUR IS OUR IS OUR RESERVE FUND ALREADY FULL. SO I'M ASKING WHOEVER THE LIAISON IS THE RESERVE FUND FOR SNOW REMOVAL. BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP THE RESERVE FUND WAS NOT TOUCHED. THERE IS THERE IS SOME MONEY. EAST IDAHO NEWS CAME AND ASKED THE QUESTION. SO I DID RECEIVE SOME ANSWERS TO THIS. 
          THERE WAS ABOUT $400,000 LESS SPENT THAN WHAT THEY HAD ANTICIPATED FOR PLOWING FOR THE YEAR. BECAUSE NONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS NEEDED PLOWING, THEY STILL DID THE SALTING AND THEY STILL PLOWED SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS. BUT THERE'S THERE'S ABOUT $400,000 THAT IS NOT THAT WAS BUDGETED, THAT WASN'T SPENT. AND WE HAVE NOT TOUCHED THE MILLION DOLLAR RESERVE. SO SO THERE'S STILL A MILLION IN RESERVE. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT 400,000? NO, WE HAVE THAT IN THE POLICY. SO MY MEMORY OF THE POLICY IS THAT WHEN WE HIT A MILLION, RIGHT. WE DON'T WE DON'T SAVE ANYMORE. YEAH. WE WE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF NOT SAVING ANY MORE THEN IT COULD COME BACK TO US AND ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO HOW MUCH DID HOW MUCH DID STREETS NOT USE OF THEIR MONEY THAT WE USED ELSEWHERE LAST YEAR? WELL, WE REDUCED THEM BY ABOUT $1 MILLION. SO IS IT THE EXPECTATION THAT THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR IT WILL RETURN TO WHERE IT'S BEEN IN THE PAST, AT THE $1.5 MILLION THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING? IT DOESN'T LOOK GREAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF WE SAY WE'VE GOT FOUR, 5% FOR BENEFITS AND, YOU KNOW, COLA AND FLAT BUDGETS, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND THAT MILLION DOLLARS TO GO BACK TO STREETS. THE 400,000 WOULDN'T BE ONGOING, BUT THAT'LL JUST BE A DECISION FOR COUNCIL FOR YOU KNOW, WHAT TO DO WITH WITH THE WITH MONEY. AND A PORTION OF IT WENT AWAY TO SANITATION PAYING FOR IT. SO IT'S BEING PAID FOR BY THE RATEPAYERS VERSUS THE PROPERTY TAXES. BUT PART OF IT DID JUST GO. IT'S LESS GOING TOWARDS STREET MAINTENANCE. I GUESS THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION IS I'M LOOKING AT THIS IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A FUND FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, STUFF LIKE RESTROOM ROOFS AND ROOFS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE ONE OF THOSE SOURCES WHEN WE HAVE WHEN WE HAVE A SURPLUS FROM A YEAR LIKE THIS, THAT WE COULD PUT IT IN A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND WHERE IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE. AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? I MEAN, IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S FROM ONE DEPARTMENT KIND OF TO ANOTHER, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL GENERAL FUND MONEY. RIGHT. THAT FUND ALREADY EXISTS, ISN'T IT. IS THERE A CAPITAL FUND? I WAS TEASING DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS SOMETHING MADE UP FOR NOT HAVING ANY SLED HILLS. OR IT'S LIKE, LOOK, THEY, YOU KNOW, AS IF THERE WAS THIS, YOU KNOW, THE SACRIFICE OF WINTER. LET'S LET'S DO SOMETHING FUN WITH THAT. BUT IT WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT ONLY SOMEWHAT SERIOUS, BUT KIND OF INTERESTING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE PAM AND I HAVE TALKED FOR YEARS ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE BACKLOG. THAT'S I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE CIVIC, THOSE SEATS THAT WE REPLACED, THEY WERE FROM 19, 1953. YEAH. AND SO THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, 
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MADE IT WORK AND REPLACED AND RE-UPHOLSTERED AND AND THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR ALL OF US. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE POLICIES AROUND WHAT WE SET ASIDE TIME POWER OF MONEY. SO THIS SET ASIDE, THIS MONEY THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW IS IN HIS BUDGET. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SET ASIDE. IT'S JUST MONEY THAT IF, LET'S SAY, SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUDGET RAN SHORT, IT'S LIKE, OH, THIS IS HIS BUDGET. SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT MONEY, IT IS SEPARATE. SORRY, I MOVED ON. OH, OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT I AGREE. THAT IS DON'T SAY OH, THIS PERSON WE DIDN'T REHIRE. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT MONEY. IT IS IT IS IN HIS BUDGET. BUT IT IS A CONVERSATION THE COMMUNITY'S HAVING. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL. WE KNEW THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. I THINK THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHAT THIS IS, IS ALMOST UNLIMITED AND A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION. I THINK IF WE WITH OUR ASSETS AND MAINTAINING OUR ASSETS, YOU WOULD NEED A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION TO MAINTAIN THEM AT A LEVEL. THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE A PRIVATE COMPANY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. AS WE COMPILE THE LIST, I'M AWARE OF AT LEAST 10 MILLION ALREADY OF JUST THOSE REQUESTS OF THINGS THEY NEED TO BE SAVING UP FOR OR REPLACING RELATIVELY IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. AND THAT WAS NOT EXHAUSTIVE. CORRECT. THAT WAS JUST OKAY. I WILL SAY, BASED ON LAST YEAR'S HOLE THAT WE HAD TO FILL, WE CUT STREETS. WE DID. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT. SO LIKE, COUNCIL MEMBER, THIS MONEY IS STILL IN THE STREETS. 
          YES. FIXING POTHOLES AND MAINTAINING THE STREET WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF US. YEAH, BUT I WOULDN'T JUMP ON IT FOR THE REST OF THE GENERAL FUNDS. RIGHT? I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT THE REASON I'M HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IS BECAUSE WE WHEN WE TALK TO MIKE MOYLE AND HE SAYS THE CITY'S LIKE WE ARE NOT FUNCTIONING EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT WE NEED, RIGHT? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND PARTICULARLY ON ROADS, WE'RE NOT THERE. AND THEN WHEN YOU ADD BUILDINGS AND AND YOU KNOW, IT JUST THIS CONVERSATION THAT CITIES ARE CAUSING PROPERTY TAXES TO BE OVERWHELMING. THAT IS NOT WHAT'S DRIVING US. RIGHT. AND SO WHEN WE'RE REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IS RESIDENTS OF IDAHO FALLS OFTEN ARE GETTING A PRETTY GOOD DEAL BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN SPENDING AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE REALLY KEEPING THINGS UP. AND I MEAN, LUCKILY. WE HAVEN'T RAN DEHYDRATE. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO INSTEAD OF PLANNING AHEAD. RIGHT. AND THE SEATS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE. BUT BUT THAT'S EVERY ROOF ON EVERY BUILDING THAT WE OWN WHICH IS IN THE HUNDREDS. RIGHT. SO I I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO HAVING MONEY SET ASIDE FOR MAINTENANCE. AND THIS IS TRUE A LOT ACROSS ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS IDAHO. OKAY. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE READY, WE ARE WE ARE RUNNING A LITTLE BEHIND. AND IT'S OKAY BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE THIS IS THE REASON FOR THIS FIRST PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS JUST KIND OF SET THE PICTURE. WE'RE NOT SAYING, OH, IT'S A DIRE YEAR. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE'VE GOT THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR. BUT AS LONG AS WE CAN BUILD THE BUDGET BASED ON THESE ASSUMPTIONS AND WHEN WE BRING IT TO YOU, IT'LL BE A CLEAN BUDGET. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR 
          [City Council, Mayor, Finance]
DOING ALL OF THAT. OKAY. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. NOW, COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO JUST GO THROUGH PRIORITIES. AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO WEIGH IN ON. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AT TWO. SO WE'LL GET THROUGH THE FIRST 40 MINUTES. WE'LL SEE WHERE WHERE THIS LEADS US. THE FIRST ONE I DID IN SOME CASES I WROTE A STATUS. IF THERE WAS A REPORT THAT HAD COME TO US, MAYBE IN A REPORT. SO THIS FIRST ONE EXPEDITED PERMITTING AND REVIEW PROCESS IMPROVEMENT. WE WE ARE CONSISTENTLY HITTING THAT 14 DAY TURNAROUND. THERE ARE PERMITS THAT ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE GETTING PULLED. THAT DIRECTOR CENTER IS GOING BACK AND LOOKING AND SAYING, ARE WE ARE WE MEETING THOSE TARGETS AND GOALS? WE HAVE MOVED THE DIRECTOR OFF OF THE IFRA PROGRAM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CATHERINE MCCLURE HAS TAKEN ON THE ROLES OF IFRA SO THAT HE COULD SPEND MORE TIME MAKING SURE THAT. CHECKS AND BALANCES IN IN THERE, THAT THEY REALLY ARE HITTING THE 14 DAY, AS WELL AS GETTING OUT AND MEETING MORE WITH ARCHITECTS AND BUILDERS. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A REDESIGN OF THE ENTRANCE OF THIS BUILDING. TAKING THAT VESTIBULE IS IT'S SO BIG AND ACTUALLY CREATING IT, A DESK 
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PERSON THERE. SO THAT AND IT WOULDN'T BE A NEW PERSON, IT WOULD BE FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND CDS OR THE TWO CDS. PERMIT TECHS WOULD WOULD MANAGE THAT PARTICULAR DESK IN THE FRONT. 
          WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, THEN IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. IT'S, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO TALK TO PLANNING. YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO TALK TO YOUR PUBLIC WORKS. 
          OH, YOU BELONG IN THE COUNTY. MORE OF THAT INTERACTION RIGHT IN THE FRONT ENTRANCE WHEN THEY COME IN THE DOOR. SO THAT AND AND THEN RIGHT BEHIND THERE THERE WOULD BE A CONFERENCE ROOM. SO WHEN YOU COME IN FOR PREDEVELOPMENT MEETINGS, YOU'RE IN THE ENTRANCE AND THEN STRAIGHT INTO A PREDEVELOPMENT MEETING. AND THAT CONFERENCE ROOM WOULD BE BIGGER THAN, FOR EXAMPLE, A LITTLE CONFERENCE ROOM WE HAVE AROUND THE CORNER HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO THE FTE SO THERE'S NO NEW FTE, NO NEW FTE, BUT THE FUNDING MIGHT BE MIXED BETWEEN BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING. IS THAT A FAIR. YEAH. YEAH. AND AND IF THEY WANT TO DO MORE ON THE I MEAN THERE'S SOME, SOME THERE'S LIKE ALTERNATES RIGHT. THAT YOU'D SAY OH GIS IS COMBINING FROM POWER COMING BACK FROM POWER AND GOING TO BE JUST HOUSED IN PUBLIC WORKS. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME OF THAT SPACE THAT NEEDS TO BE RECONFIGURED. THAT WOULD JUST BE A SPECIFIC. COST TO PUBLIC WORKS. SO IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE THINKING ABOUT OR SOMETHING WE'RE DOING? WELL, I PROPOSE THAT WE DO IT. WE'RE I'VE ASKED TO GET SOME SOME COSTS. SO WE'RE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST IS YET. BUT AT LEAST WE'RE WE'RE GETTING A COST ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE. IT'S PART OF THAT. THE COMMUNICATIONS PIECE THAT'S LATER IN THE PRIORITIES ABOUT HOW TO HAVE BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE AND BETTER COMMUNICATION. AND AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THAT IS THAT BROUGHT THIS PRIORITY FORWARD IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO THESE DOLLARS ARE FISCAL YEAR 27, RIGHT? YES. UNLESS DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IT IS. WE KNOW THAT THE PERMITS ARE DOWN IN CDS. WE DID SET ASIDE 60,000 FOR A. 
          ANALYST TO COME IN AND LOOK AT CDS. SO FAR THERE HASN'T EVEN BEEN THEY'VE THEY'VE LOOKED FOR ONE. BUT THERE ISN'T SOMEONE WHO IS DOING EXACTLY THAT. I REALLY THOUGHT WHEN THAT CAME UP, I WAS THINKING, THAT'S QUITE THE NICHE WE'D BE LOOKING FOR. YOU WERE EXACTLY RIGHT THAT THAT I GET THE MINDSET OF HOW WE GOT THERE. BUT SO THE DOLLARS HAVEN'T BEEN DETERMINED. 
          WE DON'T EVEN WE THERE'S A THERE'S A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING BUT BUT NOT ANY HARD NUMBERS YET. IT WOULD IT'LL HIT COUNCIL'S RADAR BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. OKAY. SO ANYTHING ELSE FROM EXPEDITED PERMITTING AND REVIEW PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS? OH, THE MANDATORY PREDEVELOPMENT MEETINGS. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS BEEN WORKING. WELL. EVERY DEPARTMENT IS IN PREDEVELOPMENT MEETINGS NOW. IT'S IRONIC THAT THEY WEREN'T BEFORE, BUT NOW IT'S REQUIRED. THEY'RE SET ASIDE A CERTAIN DATE AND TIME. EVERY DEPARTMENT IS IN PREDEVELOPMENT MEETINGS. THAT'S FANTASTIC. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME OR PLACE FOR THIS CONVERSATION, BUT KATE REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT HAVING GIFT BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. WHEN SOMEONE'S DOING PLANS, RIGHT. AS FAR AS HAVING A SPOT, IF THEY'RE DOING A PUD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HAVING GIFT INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION AS FAR AS HAVING A PICKUP POINT, A DROP OFF POINT, AND AND ROLLING THAT INTO THE PLANS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT KIND OF STUFF. SO, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER. I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MINIMUM THRESHOLD OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A 17 CONDOS SOMEWHERE. IT JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT. BUT YEAH, BUT THAT'S YEAH, SOMETHING HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN. AND HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AT ANY OF THESE MEETINGS. RIGHT. I THINK PARTICULARLY LARGE COMMERCIAL OR CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, SENIOR YEAR SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED PUDS, WHERE, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBOR, A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING BUILT WHERE HE COULD HAVE A PD COULD BE LIKE FIVE UNITS TOO. SO IT'S GOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC, EVEN EVEN IF THERE'S JUST A A PARKING STALL OR A PARK, YOU KNOW, HOW THERE'S EVERY EVERY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY HAS LIKE WHATEVER THEY WANT. IT'S LIKE, HERE'S A, HERE'S A, I THINK LIKE LARGE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE I MEAN, GET CONTINUES TO DO WELL PLACES LIKE WALMART AND BUT YOU KNOW, HEALTHCARE FACILITIES, 
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THINGS LIKE THAT IS WHERE GIFT IS THE BEST. YEAH. I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T INCLUDE PERSONALLY LIKE A CONSTRUCTION A POP OUT. BUT I DON'T MIND SIGNAGE. I MEAN, WE REQUIRE SIGNAGE FOR OTHER THINGS. RIGHT. OKAY. ANYWAY, JUST I JUST THOUGHT HE BROUGHT IT UP TO ME THIS WEEK AFTER YOU GUYS. I WASN'T HERE LAST WEEK FOR THE WORK SESSION, FOR THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD ABOUT ABOUT WHAT? OH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PUD CONSTRUCT, YOU KNOW, A CONVERSATION ABOUT PUDS. AND HE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, ACTUALLY. SO ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE ASPIRATIONS? LIKE THERE'S A WORD HERE, WALKABLE THAT I WOULD CHANGE TO LIVABLE, BUT ARE WE GETTING INTO THAT AT ALL? YEAH, WE CAN CHANGE. YEAH, I JUST THINK, REMEMBER LAST WEEK WHEN PEOPLE WERE KIND OF AND LIVABLE JUST IS BETTER, RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE UN. PEOPLE THINK THAT THE UN IS WALKABLE IS A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. ANYWAY, JUST ONE THING TO ENCOURAGE YOU. WASN'T THERE SOME TALK A YEAR AGO ABOUT CDS? ADDING FTES? IS THERE ANY EXPECTATION THAT THERE'S. I WOULD SAY NO, NOT WITH THEIR PERMITS DOWN AND THEIR BUDGET. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD NOT BE. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR CURRENT LEVELS. THERE IS A POSITION THAT SITS IN CDS RIGHT NOW THAT IS THE GRANT ADMINISTRATOR POSITION. I WOULD SUGGEST IN THE BUDGET OR EVEN SOONER. IT MIGHT COME TO COUNCIL SOONER THAT WE PULL THAT OUT OF CDS AND PUT IT IN FINANCE AND ACTUALLY HAVE A GRANT ADMINISTRATOR, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE WE KEEP GETTING DEEMED WITH OUR AUDITS. WOULD THAT BE OUR LIKE OUR COMPLIANCE OFFICER COMPLIANCE? AND YES, SO YOU SAID FINANCIAL NOT NOT MUNICIPAL SERVICES BUT IT THROUGH MUNICIPAL SERVICES. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. IT'S AN UNFUNDED POSITION. I MEAN IT'S A FUNDED POSITION THAT'S BEEN UNFILLED FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. THREE TWO YEARS UNFUNDED OR EXCUSE ME UNFILLED. AND I THINK WE NEED A COMPLIANCE OFFICER FOR ALL OF THE GRANT MONEY THAT WE'RE. AND THE NEW ENTERPRISE MANAGEMENT HAS A GRANT. PORTION THAT'S MANAGED. BEFORE WE DO THAT, THOUGH, WE WOULD ONCE AGAIN BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TRULY THE DESIRE. OKAY. ANY WHAT WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THIS HOLDING ON TO THIS PRIORITY. ARE YOU TALKING. WHICH ARE YOU? WE'RE ON JUST THIS HEALTHY COMMUNITY. AND SO ALL OF THE HEALTHY COMMUNITY PRIORITIES. NO, NO, NO, JUST THIS EXPEDITED PERMITTING AND REVIEW PROCESS IMPROVEMENT. OKAY, WELL, I WOULD SAY YES BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN CDS REALLY RESTRUCTURE THE WAY THEY DID THE BUILDING DIVISION, BUT IT ISN'T YET CLEAR TO ME HOW THEY'VE RESTRUCTURED THE PLANNING DIVISION. SO THERE'S ONE MORE STEP IN THAT AT LEAST. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. A LOT OF WORK AND PLANNING. IF WE WANT TO APPROACH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A BUDGET IMPACT IT HAS. I WOULD SAY NOT. YEAH. IT DIDN'T FOR BUILDING. IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE BUILDING. IT WAS KIND OF LIKE BACKUP AND WHO'S THERE AND MAKE SURE THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMEBODY TO RESPOND. I THINK, REMEMBER, JUST PART OF THIS IDEA THAT COUNCIL IS SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE IN WHAT A PRIORITY IS, ONCE AGAIN, TO THE LIAISON ROLE THAT ANY SINGLE LIAISON DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO THEN GO IN AND CHANGE THIS PRIORITY. RIGHT? SO ONCE IF WE KEEP IT, THEN THEN THE LIAISON ASSIGNMENT DOESN'T AS WE GO THROUGH THESE ARE ARE ARE THESE A PRIORITY ORDER AS IN THE FIRST ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT OKAY. SO THEY'RE NOT IN THEIR PRIORITIES BUT NOT NECESSARILY A B C D. CORRECT. AND ARE WE WANTING TO DO ABC. 
          THERE MIGHT BE SOME AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PACKET THAT WE SAY THIS IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR THIS DEPARTMENT. AND THAT'S HOW THE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK JUST TO GET I'M SURE. YEAH. NO THIS IS THIS IS GREAT GREAT STRUCTURE. YEAH. WE DID FRAMEWORK. THE DIRECTOR WE TRIED THE DIRECTOR IS AWARE OF THE PRIORITIES. AND THIS WAY THE DIRECTOR IS AWARE OF THE PRIORITY AND A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER DOESN'T. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DO THINK, JIM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS A RELEVANCY. WHAT IT IS IS IT'S BASED ON THAT TRIANGLE. 
          AND SO IT'S LIKE HERE ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR THAT'S HOW IT'S COLOR-CODED THAT'S HOW IT'S COLOR CODED. OKAY, JIM, IF YOU'RE SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I TEND TO AGREE, BUT I THINK IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT? HOW ARE WE GOING TO COMMUNICATE WHAT JIM JUST SAID, THAT, HEY, PLANNING STILL I WILL I'LL COMMUNICATE IT. I'LL TAKE THE NOTES FROM THIS AND WE'LL HAVE THEM IN OUR DIRECTOR MEETINGS. YEAH, AND WADE'S ALREADY ON IT. HE'S WORKING ON IT NOW. SO HE 
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WAS. BUT DO WE EVER WANT TO CHANGE THIS FROM THE. SO THAT IF THIS IS CHANGING AT ALL WE MIGHT THIS WOULD THAT WOULD BE LIKE PRIORITIZE THE IMPROVEMENT OF RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. WELL WE PULLED THEM OFF OF IT FOR AND I KNOW HE'S ALREADY MET WITH SEVERAL OF THE LOCAL ARCHITECTS TO TRY AND DO THIS, BUT HE'S KIND OF KIND OF CIRCLING BACK AGAIN. YES. STARTING, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ROUND OF THAT KIND OF ADDRESS, INTER-DEPARTMENTAL ACCOUNTABILITY. WHEN IT COMES TO ANSWERS GIVEN TO DEVELOPERS. THEY'RE WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH FIRE. NOW BEFORE THOSE MEETINGS WEREN'T HAPPENING A LOT. SO MAYBE WE LEAVE IT ON THERE BECAUSE THEY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS, BUT THERE ISN'T THERE'S NOT THE ISSUE THAT THERE WAS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THOSE ISSUES COME BACK EITHER. DOES KEEPING IT THERE TO HELP WITH THE NEW FIRE CHIEFS. SO IT SHOWS UP ON HIS RADAR AND. I WOULD THINK SO. 
          I'M JUST THINKING THOSE OKAY, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON IF YOU'RE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS ONE THE IMPROVE OPTION FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN IDAHO FALLS. I KIND OF AM TAKING MY CUE FROM OUR CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AROUND IMPACT FEES, THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CREATE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD, YOU KNOW, FROM THE THE CUSP AND IDAHO AND PUT THEM INTO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE. I, I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS WHEN HE SAID IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO ISOLATE YOUR POVERTY. SO THERE'S THERE'S ONE. LET'S LET'S MOVE ON BECAUSE THEN WE CAN. BUT THIS ONE ACTUALLY I WANTED TO MAKE OKAY, I HAVE A CITY WIDE THING TO THINK ABOUT THAT FITS HERE TO BUILD AN ATTRACTIVE CITY IN MANY WAYS. BUT ONE OF THEM WOULD INVOLVE THIS. AND I WOULD TAKE OUT IDAHO'S COMMITTEE BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THAT. WE HAVE OPTIONS IN PLACE. WHAT WE NEED NOW IS HOW TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE HARMONIZE, I GUESS, WOULD BE ONE THAT'S IN THERE, BUT VISUALLY APPEALING, CLEAN, SAFE AND COMMUNITY. THAT PARTLY INVOLVES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT IT INVOLVES OTHER DEPARTMENTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YES. SO WE WOULD, I THINK, FOR THIS ONE, IF I WERE REPLACING SOMETHING, IT WOULDN'T BE IDAHO'S COMMITTEE. IT WOULD BE A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING TO KIND OF GET CITIZEN INPUT OF WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE GOOD TRANSITION FROM A PUD TO TO AN R1 NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT BOTHERS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE WHEN THESE THINGS ARE COMING FORWARD? THERE'S LOTS OF BRAINPOWER OUT IN THE CITY THAT COULD BE A INSTEAD OF AN IDAHO COMMITTEE. SO WHAT? HOW WOULD THAT GO FROM THE COMMITTEE TO IT WOULD BE AN ADVISORY TO TO DIRECTOR. WHAT COULD WE DO THEN TO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? CHANGE ZONING, CHANGE CORRECT. OVERLAY ZONES. YEAH. OR MODIFICATION AGREEMENTS. HOW DO YOU HOW DO WE MOTIVATE DEVELOPERS TO DO WHAT IT IS WE THAT'S WHERE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK IS A NECESSARY ORDINANCE CHANGE. OR WE WOULD SAY, HERE'S A HERE'S HOW WE NEED TO ADJUST THE PUDS, BECAUSE WE CAN DO A LOT OF IT FROM THE TOP, BUT THEN THAT'S JUST 6 OR 7 PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT IT AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. BUT IF THE CITIZENS ARE TALKING TO THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO DO THE PLANNING, MAYBE SOME IDEAS POP UP THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT. YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW, I DON'T KNOW, CONCEPTUAL STAGE TO THE IMPLEMENTATION. YEAH. I MEAN, THE ONE COMMITTEE THAT'S REALLY EMPOWERED ALSO IS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. RIGHT? WE DO IT. I THINK IT GOES THROUGH THEM FIRST TO LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS, ALL OF IT, ALL OF THE CODE DOES ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD WOULD REALLY GO THROUGH WORK WITH WADE, GO THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING TO SAY YES, WE WOULD AGREE WITH THOSE CHANGES TO OUR CODE AND OUR ORDINANCES TO IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE AGAIN, KIND OF THIS ASPIRATION. RIGHT? YES. I JUST I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN IDAHO COMMITTEE. YES. SO I ACTUALLY AND LOOK AT THE MISSING MIDDLE ZONING. I THINK WE'RE GOOD ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT THERE'S ALSO SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW WITH ADUS. AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS HAPPENING WITH MANUFACTURED HOMES AS WELL. BUT IN ANY ZONE ON A AS LONG AS IT'S ON A SLAB. SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT BE COMING FORWARD. AND THEN WE JUST TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES THAT COME OR HAVE THIS COMMITTEE. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE HERE BECAUSE THIS WAS THE MESSAGE OF THE ELECTION. RIGHT? THIS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, EITHER PEOPLE 
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DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT OR THEY WANT IT TO LOOK DIFFERENT OR THEY WANT IT DIFFERENT NEXT TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE HEARD OVERWHELMINGLY. AND AND I THINK WE NEED WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WE'RE HEARING FROM PEOPLE. BRANDON HAS A LOT TO OFFER AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WE COULD DO AROUND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS SO THAT THOSE ARE IN PLACE BEFORE SO THAT WE HAVE MORE INPUT RIGHT AWAY. ONCE WE HEAR WHAT CITIZENS WANT AND WE DICTATE TO OUR DEVELOPERS AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS IT. OR WE DO OVERLAY ZONES FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF BUILDINGS OF EIGHT OR MORE UNITS, AND WE STILL HAVE LOTS OF WORK AROUND THAT TO MAKE OUR CITY ELEGANT, INTERESTING AND ENGAGING. AND YOU KNOW, I LOVE THIS CONCEPT OF THE BOOK PALACES FOR THE PEOPLE. LIKE, LIKE, HOW DO WE PLAN FOR THIS GROWTH? IN A WAY, BECAUSE I THINK THE MESSAGE OF THE ELECTION WAS. HEY, THERE'S GROWTH. AND SOME PEOPLE WERE FINE WITH THE GROWTH, BUT SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE LIKED US TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT HOW WE DEALT WITH THAT GROWTH. AND I THINK FROM MY STANDPOINT, I FELT LIKE WE NEVER REALLY DOVE INTO WHAT OUR ACTUAL LEVERS WERE SOMETIMES, AND WE WOULD JUST SAY, WELL, LAND USE IS WE HAVE TO DO THIS AS A STATE LAW. BUT IN TALKING TO MORE PEOPLE DURING AND AFTER, THERE'S JUST MORE OPTIONS. I WONDER ABOUT WE WE WANTED TO TACKLE THE SUBDIVISION CODE FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE JUST BY THE TIME MIXED USE HAVING TO HELP WITH TRAFFIC SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERYONE DRIVE TO WALMART 15 MINUTES AWAY, ADDING TO OUR ROAD TRIPS, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE THINGS I THINK IS IN THIS. I ALSO THINK IF WE DID HAVE A COMMITTEE, THEY COULD GO, THEY COULD. THERE WOULD BE TIME FOR THEM TO GO AND LOOK AND SAY, THIS IS WORKING. THIS ISN'T WORKING FOR THESE PLACES. TORE THEM, SEE WHAT YOU KNOW. AND THEN AND THEN REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT OUR SUBDIVISION, SPEND A SUMMER AT THE FARMERS MARKET LISTENING AND HAVING BIT BY BIT I JUST. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU DO? WELL, I JUST THINK DEPENDING ON THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT YOU PUT ON THE COMMITTEE TOO, THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO COME WITH SOME RECOGNITION OF THINGS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE THIS COMMITTEE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO AND EDUCATE THEMSELVES ON EVERYTHING. CORRECT. WE GET WE GET A REPUTABLE ENGINEER, WE GET A REPUTABLE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO'S ON THE REAL ESTATE SIDE FROM AN, YOU KNOW, AN AGENT STANDPOINT. WE GET A DEVELOPER OR WE GET, YOU KNOW, A LAND USE ATTORNEY. WE GET WE KIND OF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHERE WE KIND OF PICK THE SKILL SETS THAT WE WANT ON THE COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE GO FIND THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU COLLECTIVELY HELP US REVAMP OR I DON'T KNOW IF REVAMP IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT HELP US IMPROVE THE CODE IN PLACES SO THAT WE CAN TRULY SAY THIS IS WHAT IT COLLECTIVELY. THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN BY STRATEGIC GROWTH. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE CONCEPT THAT WAS LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, IT MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT I THINK COLLECTIVELY, IF WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I ALSO THINK THAT ONE OF THE POSITIVE BENEFITS OF A GROUP LIKE THIS WOULD BE IS THAT HOPEFULLY THEY'RE EDUCATED IN A WAY THAT THEY KNOW WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS ARE. RIGHT? BECAUSE WE SAW A LOT OF THIS DURING THE ELECTION, THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS THINK THAT WE CAN STOP CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          RIGHT. WE HAVE A MAGIC WAND, BUT WE GOT A MAGIC WAND, RIGHT? OR WE CAN JUST SAY, BUILD THIS, I MEAN, RIGHT, THE MOST COMMON PHRASE IS, WHY CAN'T THE CITY JUST BUILD THIS? WHY CAN'T THE CITY JUST GET THIS? OR WHY IS THE CITY BUILDING THIS? OR WHY IS THE CITY BUILDING THIS OR ALLOWING THIS TO BE BUILT? NOT. YEAH, NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMETIMES YOU'VE GOT ZONES THAT WERE I HAD A ZONING DESIGNATION 40 YEARS AGO. RIGHT. THAT THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE THESE DEVELOPERS ARE JUST UTILIZING ZONING DESIGNATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES. 
          RIGHT. WE DON'T EVEN SEE RIGHT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONE THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF THE STAGES. AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD. AND TO UTILIZE THOSE VOICES IN A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BECAUSE I WILL SAY THAT ONE THING THAT WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE WELL IS WHEN WE HAVE HAD THESE CITIZEN REVIEW COMMITTEES AND AND I'M GOING TO USE THAT IN A VAGUE TERMINOLOGY, WHETHER IT WAS IDAHO OR CRC OR WHATEVER, WE DIDN'T REALLY PUT THE MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF THOSE PEOPLE AND SAY, SPEAK ON WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED, YOU KNOW, SPEAK ON WHAT YOU KNOW. THEY'VE NOT BEEN OUR ADVOCATES, BUT ALSO JUST EDUCATORS TO SAY TO THE TO THEIR TO THEIR, YEAH, TO THEIR COLLEAGUES, YEAH, TO THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, YEAH, THAT'S NOT A THING, GUYS. WE CAN'T THE CITY DOESN'T, DOESN'T BUILD THESE THINGS. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT EXPLORING NEW WAYS FOR THEM TO BECOME THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL. YEAH YEAH I AGREE OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO WILL WE WORK THIS AND WE WILL REWORK THIS ONE AND BRING IT BACK. BUT IT WON'T BE IMPROVED OPTIONS FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL BE LOOK AT GET A COMMITTEE OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION CODE AND HOW THINGS ARE CURRENTLY. YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT SOMETHING ON PAPER LOOKS LIKE VERSUS WHAT IS IT REALLY LOOKING LIKE. AND LET'S BE 
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CAREFUL THAT THE COMMITTEE INCLUDES NOT JUST PROFESSIONALS. AGREE EXACTLY. YEAH. IN MY WORLD, WE NEED A SOCCER MOM RIGHT ON THERE. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO'S AS AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? YEAH. SOCCER DAD AND SOCCER DAD AND NOT OR. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. 
          TRANSPORTATION. THIS IS WHERE MY GIFT THING FITS. YEAH, THAT WOULD FIT IN THE GIFT. YEAH. I ALSO THINK LOOK AT LOOK AT GIFT. MAYBE PUT THEM IN THERE AS A PARTNER OR SOMETHING. THE ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO TO BRING UP IS THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS HAPPENING IN. AND MICHELLE BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AS WELL. RIGHT NOW, THE DESIGN WORK FOR FIFTH WEST, WHICH IS EAST RIVER ROAD, 15TH EAST, WHICH IS SAINT LEON BETWEEN YELLOWSTONE UP TO IONA. 
          THOSE ARE A MIXTURE OF COUNTY AND CITY. BUT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING REALLY WELL RIGHT NOW. TO GET THOSE DESIGNED OUT. THERE WILL BE SOME RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. 
          THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHERE THE PRIORITY IS FOR THE US 20 STREETS. THE ENGINEERING GROUP IS ALSO WORKING ON ROLLING DEBT, SO WE'RE SO THAT BUT THERE IS NO MONEY IN ANY OF THOSE PROGRAMS FOR DESIGN IMPACT FEES CANNOT PAY FOR ROLLING DEBT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A ARTERIAL. 
          IT. ALSO, YOU RUN INTO THE ISSUE OF THE FACT THAT SAINT LEON IS PART COUNTY, PART CITY. 
          AND SAME THING WITH EAST RIVER ROAD. BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT STRATEGIC ANNEXATIONS AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CITY INITIATED ANNEXATIONS TO BRING THOSE ROADS IN. SO THERE'S A LOT IN THOSE CORRIDORS HAPPENING. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE THE COUNTY GETTING A NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR OR A NEW NOT THAT I'VE NOT THAT I'VE HEARD OF, BUT THEY ARE WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH, WITH DESIGN. AND I KNOW THEY'RE HIRING SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW AND THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT PUBLIC WORKS, BUT LIKE A STREET SWEEPER OR ROAD SUPERINTENDENT OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THE COUNTY WHERE SOMEBODY LEFT AND THEY'RE HOPING THEY'RE. 
          YEAH. SO I'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT. I HAVE A QUESTION, SIR, FOR THIS, BUT WHEN YOU SAY THEY'RE LOOKING AT ROLAND DEPOT, THERE'S NO THEY'RE DESIGNING THEY'RE DESIGNING THE TWO BRIDGES THAT SIT ON ROLAND, THAT THEY'RE DESIGNING THE STREET. I MISUNDERSTOOD, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WAS NO MONEY FOR DESIGN. NO. THEY ARE IN DESIGN PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S NO MONEY FOR. THERE'S NO MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION. I MIGHT HAVE SAID THAT WRONG. YOU DID? YEAH, I SAID THAT WRONG. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE ABLE TO DESIGN AND GET A REAL DESIGN. RIGHT NOW THEY ARE DESIGNING AND IT DOES AFFECT PARKS. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT PARKS HAS GOING ON, I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT PAGE. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE WE GOT TO PRIORITIZE THINGS. BUT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, INCLUDING HOW THIS WILL AFFECT PARKS. THEY'LL HAVE TO MOVE THE CAMEL ENTRANCE. BUT BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE MAYBE WHEN WE BRING IT FORWARD, THERE IS PUBLIC WORKS CIP MONEY THAT'S IN THE BUDGET. MAYBE WE SAY, WELL, LET'S PRIORITIZE THIS. AND TWO YEARS OUT, THERE'S JUST THINGS THAT I THINK ALL COUNCIL SHOULD BE AWARE OF. BUT. AFFECT OUR TRANSPORTATION AND OUR IMPACT FEES. OKAY. I THINK ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION. YES, MY WIFE IS GRABBING ME A DRINK AND PICK ME UP. DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT SOMETHING? AND I'LL ADD IT TO THE ORDER RIGHT NOW. DIET LUCKY? I'M LIKE YES PLEASE DIET LUCKY. YEAH. OKAY. AND DOCTOR PEPPER WITH PEPPER WITH RASPBERRY. YEP. I'LL TAKE ONE OF THOSE. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY, CARLA. 
          CATHERINE A DRINK DRINK DIET COKE, DIET COKE. JUST DIET COKE. DIET COKE, THE GREATEST DAY EVER. I'VE NEVER GOTTEN A DRINK AT 11 YEARS. LITERALLY ANYTHING. DIET PEPSI. IS THAT EMILY? NO. 
          THANK YOU, I ALREADY ORDERED. CAN I JUST GO AHEAD? I'M GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. ME TOO. OKAY. 
          YOU WERE. YOU GOT A NEW ASSET. YEAH. NETTIE LEE? YEAH. ARCHIVIST. YES. I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARITY. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ARTERIAL THAT IS HAS BOTH CITY AND COUNTY PARTS TO IT, DOES THAT RESTRICT OUR ABILITY TO USE IMPACT FEES, IMPACT FEES ON THEM? BECAUSE IT DOES. BECAUSE COUNTY'S THERE. SO WE CAN'T TOUCH IT WITH IMPACT FEES. WELL, WE CAN TOUCH PARTS OF IT OUR PART, OUR PARTS OF IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND IF THE COUNTY BUYS THE RIGHT OF 
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WAY AND THEN TURNS IT OVER TO THE CITY, THAT'S THOSE ARE THE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY'RE HAVING WITH THE COUNTY. SO ARE WE TALKING EVEN DESIGN PHASE? NO DESIGN? WE'RE ABLE WE'RE NOT USING IMPACT DESIGN. SO SO THEY'RE JUST SO WE FUND DESIGN. IT'S WHEN WE GO TO CONSTRUCTION THAT THE IMPACT FEES START. OKAY. I THINK THE POINT OF THIS PRIORITY THOUGH IS THE MULTIMODAL CYCLISTS PEDESTRIANS. AND LET'S NOT LOSE SIGHT. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT. AND THAT'S ONE THING I KEEP ASKING FOR. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT PUBLIC WORKS BELIEVES IN THIS OR NOT, I CAN'T DECIDE. I STILL WANT TO GET THE I WANT TO GET THE CARS PARKED AND THEN THE BIKE LANES AND THEN THE CYCLING, THE PROTECTION OF THE CARS BEING PARKED IS A REAL WIN FOR PEDESTRIANS AND LOWERS DEATHS SIGNIFICANTLY, AND IT MAKES PEOPLE MORE NERVOUS AND SLOWS TRAFFIC IN THE MIDDLE LANES. SO DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SEE, I THOUGHT YOU HAD PARKING BIKES AND TRAFFIC AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BIKES. YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE PARK WHERE YOU COME IN FROM BOULEVARD, AND THERE'S A LANE OF PARKING THAT'S MARKED FOR PARKED CARS, AND THEN THERE'S PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLING, AND THEN SO IT PROTECTS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH MPO BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE. IT'S THE STANDARD ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT NOW. IT'S THE STANDARD IN MOST CITIES. IT'S GETTING THERE AND IT'S JUST A PRODUCT. THE ARGUMENT I'VE HEARD HERE SOMETIMES IS, OH, THAT WOULD CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH CARS GETTING HIT AND MORE PHYSICAL DAMAGE, BUT RATHER A CAR GET HIT THAN A CYCLIST. THAT'S THE FIREMAN IN YOU, RIGHT? LIKE WHEN PROPERTY BURNED DOWN, NO ONE CARED. I DON'T KNOW, PARK THE FIRE TRUCKS. IT'S ABOUT THE CROSS SECTION OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ARTERIALS OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IT SHOULD BE PART OF WHATEVER SIZE YOU ARE DOING. LIKE ON BOULEVARD. THAT'S ANOTHER PLACE WHERE I THINK WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS RIGHT. WE COULD HAVE PUSHED AND HAD A PARKING ON JUST THE ONE SIDE, THEN A FULL BIKE LANE SIZE, A REALLY BIG SIZE, AND THEN THE CURVE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, SO THAT YOU HAVE A PROTECTION. THE CARS ARE THE THE PARKED CARS ARE THE PROTECTION FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES. SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT SOME CURRENT ROADWAYS, BECAUSE WHEN I PUT THESE ON THERE, THOSE DO HAVE THOSE CROSS SECTIONS THAT ARE MANAGED THROUGH THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT. BUT I THINK WHAT JOHN'S TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU THINK OF 25TH STREET YOU WOULD REVERSE IT. YES. SO THE SO WHEN YOU THERE'S PARKING IN THERE BIKE AND THERE'S CAR. YES. SO YOU REVERSE THE WAY THE BIKE IS AND IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ROGERS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING YOU'D LOOK AT CURRENT AND SO MAYBE UPDATE 25TH. IT'S ALL THROUGHOUT AND ANYWHERE THAT HAS A BIKE EAST RIVER ROAD, RIGHT. EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT PARKING ON THAT OR THEY WOULDN'T. THAT'S WHY IT HAS THE BIKE LANE. YEAH. BUT YES BUT BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE. ANOTHER PLACE THAT THIS MAKES SENSE THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THIS 85 PERCENTILE. I THINK WE NEED TO GET RID OF THAT 85% SPEED CONVERSATION WHERE WE'VE ALL AT LEAST I HAVE BEEN CONVINCED THAT THAT'S JUST SCIENCE AND WE NEED TO START OVER, RIGHT? I AGREE, WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? IT. THAT'S WHAT IT'S BECAUSE ENGINEERS TOTALLY BUY THAT YOU HAVE NO TRAFFIC ENGINEERS THING AND THAT'S THAT'S THEIR STANDARD IS THEY GO AND SEE HOW FAST EVERYBODY'S GOING. AND THEN THEY SAY OKAY. AND THEN THEY ADJUST. WE'LL TAKE THE 85 PERCENTILE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL MAKE THE SPEED LIMIT. YES. I THINK THAT DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON WOULD LOVE TO HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON THIS. SO BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT WANTING TO MOVE TRAFFIC, IT'S LIKE WE GOT TO MOVE TRAFFIC, WE GOT TO MOVE TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF CONGESTION. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION THAT'S LIKE, OH, WE GOT TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WHAT ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS TRADE OFFS? I THINK HE'D LOVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. I'M ASSUMING IT TOTALLY DEPENDS ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? IT DOES. BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, HEY, ADA COUNTY'S ALREADY ADOPTING THESE BEST PRACTICE GOLD NUGGETS, ARE THOSE BEING SHARED WITH BMP OR BMP SEEKING THOSE OUT? I HAVEN'T BEEN ON BMP YET, SO NO, NO. SO THAT IS THAT'S GETTING THAT'S NOT MAKING ITS WAY TO THE MPO. IS THAT A PLACE? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THAT'S A BODY THAT SHOULD BE. YES. BUT WE COULD THIS THE AGREEMENT THAT ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS HAVE. AND JIM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE SAID HERE'S THE THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD, HOW YOU MANAGE YOUR PEDESTRIAN CAR IS UP TO YOU, IS UP TO YOU. IT WOULD REALLY BE AWESOME TO HAVE CONTINUITY AMONGST EVERYONE WITHIN THE MPO IF WE COULD GET THERE. I AGREE IT MAKES YOU SEE AREAS, BUT WE 
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COULD. BUT WE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE IN OUR OWN WITH US, WITH US. AND IT'S NOT YOU HAVE TO PICK THE ROAD. YOU DO. RIGHT. YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T DO IT ON EVERY ROAD. YOU CAN'T. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE WAYS TO GET THROUGH THE CITY OF MULTIMODAL, LIKE MULTIPLE MULTI-MODAL TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE CITY. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DRIVE ON EVERY STREET. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THIS IN 17TH STREET, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THIS ON YELLOWSTONE HIGHWAY. SO BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE WAYS THAT ARE PARALLEL THAT, THAT IT IS AVAILABLE. SO SO MAYBE AS A PRIORITY, WE WOULD ASK DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON TO LOOK AT A ROAD LIKE THE BEST ROAD THAT HAS THE BIKE LANE AND IT HAS THE RIGHT WIDTH. MAYBE, MAYBE WE IF WE TAKE IT DOWN TO THE ROUTE WHEN WE SAY EVERY HALF A MILE, WE WANT TO HAVE AN EAST WEST BIKE, YOU KNOW, A ROUTE FOR PEOPLE ON BICYCLE, RIGHT? OR EVERY MILE. I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE IS IN OR NORTH SOUTH OR DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M JUST I'M JUST SPITBALLING HERE WHERE I CALL THIS A CITYWIDE PRIORITY BECAUSE IT ISN'T JUST PUBLIC WORKS THAT SHOULD BE MAKING THIS. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SHOULD INPUT ON. AND HERE'S THE REASON I SAY THIS BECAUSE YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ON BMP, I TALKED TO THEM. ABOUT WHAT? ABOUT MAKING COMPLETE STREETS A REAL POLICY BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT THERE, BUT IT'S KIND OF WAY OLD. AND THE ANSWER WAS YES, BUT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT FORWARD. SO I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN STILL WITH BRAD. I THINK THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THAT COMPLETE STREETS. 
          BUT THEY DIDN'T. THEY HAVEN'T. YEAH. THAT COMES UP. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HASN'T COME FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY NEED TO TO COME TO THE BMP. BUT COMPLETE STREETS ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME RIGHTS IN THE STREET, SO TO SPEAK. SO IT'S MULTI DEPARTMENTAL. BUT MY POINT IS, IS THAT NOT EVERY STREET NEEDS TO BE THAT WAY. NO. RIGHT. YEAH I THINK 12 STREETS A GREAT EXAMPLE. AND THE NUMBERED STREETS IN GENERAL ARE PEOPLE YOU HEAR REGULARLY FROM ALL KINDS OF NEIGHBORS THERE. MIKE BARBER, FROM STEPHANIE TO ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE. BUT THEY THEY'RE IN THOSE HOUSES AND PEOPLE ARE USING THOSE TO GET ACROSS TOWN, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR. AND 12TH STREET IS ONE OF THOSE KIND OF OPTIONS. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU START SAYING NO, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO SHRINK THIS LANE SIZE SO THAT YOU'RE NERVOUS DRIVING THROUGH HERE. RIGHT. 
          AND AND YOU DO THINGS TO ACTUALLY STOP PEOPLE. AND BECAUSE WHEN WE CLEAN UP THE STREETS AND WE MAKE THEM BIGGER AND WIDER IN CERTAIN AREAS, WE'RE MAKING, WE'RE ASKING FOR HIGHER SPEEDS AND DEATHS. AND THE OTHER THING IS 1 IN 10 PEOPLE DIE IF THEY'RE HIT AT 20 MILES AN HOUR, AND 4 IN 10 DIE AT 30 OR 40. YEAH. AND THERE'S CITIES IN EUROPE THAT JUST THE WHOLE CITY IS 20 MILES AN HOUR, BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE PEOPLE TO CARS RUNNING OVER PEDESTRIANS. WE'RE NOT IN THE WEST. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT WHERE CAN WE DO IT? WHERE IT MAKES SENSE ANYWAY? I JUST DIDN'T WANT THAT TO GET LOST IN THIS PART. OKAY, OKAY. AND I SHOULD HAVE ADDED ONE THING BECAUSE I KNOW IF IF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT HERE, BUT I WOULD GIVE EVERYBODY A HEADS UP. I HAVE MY OWN OPINION, IS THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO LOOK AT THE ZONE DOWN AROUND THE NUMBERED STREETS, AND HAVE CDS SEND EVERY OWNER, BUT NOT OWNER OCCUPIED A LETTER. IF THERE'S IF THEIR SIDEWALK IS BAD. YEAH. IF THEY DON'T LIVE, THEN IT'S LIKE WE KNOW THAT THE HOMEOWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALK. BUT IF IF IT'S A IF IT'S AN OWNER THAT DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN IDAHO, IT DOESN'T COME TO IDAHO FALLS OR DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN THAT. SO THE FIRST PLACE TO START WOULD BE TO TAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE CDS, SEND LETTERS TO AN OWNER OCCUPIED RESIDENCE TO LET THEM KNOW IF THEIR SIDEWALK. SO YOU POTENTIALLY GET AN INTERN WHO WOULD BE WALKING NEIGHBORHOODS AND LOOKING AT SIDEWALKS AND THEN IDENTIFYING AT LEAST THOSE SIDEWALKS THAT JUST AS A, AS A PLACE TO START. AND THEN IF AN ADJACENT PROPERTY IS A PROPERTY OWNER, YOU YOU WOULD ALSO SEND THEM A LETTER. BUT AT LEAST IT'S A PLACE TO START WITH REPLACING SOME SIDEWALKS THAT ARE REALLY BAD. DOWN AROUND SIXTH, SEVENTH, EIGHTH STREET. DO WE HAVE TO TIE THAT TO THE FUNDING AVAILABLE FROM US THOUGH THAT HELP THEM WITH THE COST OF THAT? NO, NOT WELL, WHATEVER THE IF THE CITY HAS A PROGRAM, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF WE GO OUT AND DO THE WHOLE CITY, RIGHT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO HELP EVERYONE WHERE YOU SAY IT'S SO, IT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY, THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. SO WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO THE CITY SAYS, OKAY, IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THESE SIDEWALKS. THEREFORE WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND BILL YOU OR YOU HAVE TO USUALLY UP FRONT, WE OFFER LOW INTEREST. USUALLY IT IS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PROGRAM WE 
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SAY, IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. OFTENTIMES IT'S A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE THE THEY EVEN REALLY START TO ACT ON IT. SO IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE OKAY. AND THEN AND THEN SOMETIMES THE CITY WILL HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WILL SAY WE'LL PAY BUT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF IT. BUT IS IT IS IS IT THE CITY'S EXPECTATION THAT THEY OR MAYBE PUBLIC WORKS EXPECTATION THAT THEY GO OUT AND THEY GET LIKE, ARE WE DOING THE WORK OR ARE THEY DOING THE WORK? I THINK THAT WOULD BE TO BE DETERMINED. IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY OF THOSE. IF WE IF WE SAY, YEAH, LET'S GET THE INTERN AND LET'S JUST SEE WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE. WE DO BOTH. WE WOULD HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR. RIGHT NOW WE DO BOTH LIKE WEEDS. WE'LL GO IN AND DO IT AND THEN CHARGE THEM. BUT OTHER TIMES WE I'M NOT SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT THOUGH. AND I THINK ABOUT THE VARIABILITY OF CONTRACTORS OUT THERE IN TERMS OF QUALITY. AND I JUST I JUST ASK THAT WE HAVE WE I MEAN WE HAVE A ARE WE TALKING WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH OCCUPIED FOR CONCRETE AT A CERTAIN PRICE. AND THEN YOU JUST GET THE RIGHT AMOUNT. CONTRACTOR. NO, BUT I THINK RESIDENT GETS THE CONTRACTOR RIGHT. BUT WE GIVE THEM A LIST OF CONTRACTORS. SO WE GIVE THEM A LIST OKAY OKAY. SO OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT I HAD MENTIONED TO DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON AND HE SAID, YOU BETTER GET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL BECAUSE EVERY, EVERY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WILL GET A CALL FROM SOMEBODY WHO SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MAKING I GOT TO REPLACE MY SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROPERTY. ONE MORE THING IS THE TREES ON THE BOULEVARD AND ON STREETS WHERE THE WHERE THERE IS A STRIP AND THE TREES WERE REQUIRED IN LANDSCAPING. THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REWORKING, YOU TOLD US IS THAT THEY'RE REWORKING ON THE FORESTRY OR WHAT ORDINANCE WAS IT THAT WERE FORESTRY? FORESTRY IS BEING REWORKED. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S ADDRESSING TREE REPLACEMENT. I DON'T THINK IT IS. BUT I MEAN, I WANT WE REQUIRE THEM TO PUT THE TREES IN AND THE TREES RUIN THE SIDEWALK. WELL, NO NO, NO. SO BOULEVARD LITERALLY MEANS IN FRENCH AS TREE LINED STREET. SO WE HAVE BOULEVARD AND I DRIVE IT EVERY DAY. AND SO I COUNT SOMETIMES THERE'S 100 TREES THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED OUT BECAUSE IT THE REQUIREMENT IN THAT STRIP IS THAT TREES ARE IN THERE. IT'S A, IT'S A TREE LINED STREET. THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. IT'S WHAT IT'S IT'S WHAT IT IS. RIGHT? IT'S A CHARACTER. IT'S PURPOSE. AND SO THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN PULLED OUT, INCLUDING US AT THE ROUNDABOUT AT 10TH. YEAH. AND WE HAVE OUR MAINTENANCE BUILDING THERE. AND THEN WE TOOK OUT THAT WHOLE STRIP AND PAVED IT WITH CEMENT. AND THERE'S NO TREES WHERE, WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE TREES IN THAT, IN THAT, THAT AREA, THAT AND MY UNDERSTANDING FOR YEARS AND YEARS WAS THAT RANDY HAD TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO REPLACE THEM LIKE, IT'S IT'S JUST LIKE THE SIDEWALK LIKE. BUT HE WAS SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT'S BEEN IN THE ORDINANCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GROUP WOULD MAYBE BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND THAT WE KIND OF HAVE SOME SYSTEM WHERE WE CAN HELP PEOPLE GET THOSE TREES IN, BECAUSE IT DOES PROVIDE THE BEAUTY AND ELEGANCE OF WHAT A STREET SHOULD BE. SO IT'S JUST THE INTEREST AT THIS. SO THIS, THIS, THIS OBVIOUSLY ONE HAS NOT GONE TO BED. I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. QUICK, QUICK QUESTION. YES. DID YOU SAY NOTIFY JUST NON-OWNER OCCUPIED. WELL IT'S LIKE WHERE DO YOU START? YOU START IDENTIFYING I DIDN'T KNOW. CAN YOU PICK CAN YOU PICK THOSE PEOPLE AND NOT. WELL THEN YOU THEN YOU WOULD SAY YOU WOULD LOOK AT YOU WOULD YOU'D SAY, HOW MANY CAN WE SEND A LETTER TO? BECAUSE OWNER OCCUPIED TOO. IT'S LIKE THEY CLEARLY KNOW THAT THEIR SIDEWALK, IT'S LIKE THE NON-OWNER OCCUPIED. LIKE YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW HOW BAD YOUR SIDEWALK IS. OKAY, I SEE THE GUTTERS BAD TO SOMEPLACE ELSE. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY THINK OF JUST THE SIDE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET AT LEAST THROUGH. COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          IF THERE'S IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PULL THAT ONE. GOOD LUCK. YEAH. HE WANTS TO WHAT? THAT ONE. NOTHING. THE COMMUNITY CENTER. I STILL THINK IT'S A PRIORITY. I THINK WE SHOULD STILL MOVE IT FORWARD. I WANT IT AT THE TOP. THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IF WE KEEP. WE KEEP, WE KEEP MOVING IT ALONG. LET'S GET THE IMPLEMENT THE PARKS PLAN REALLY QUICK. I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST GET THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES, BECAUSE THE PARKS, WHEN I TELL YOU IT'S A BIG ONE, WHAT'S GOING ON IN PARK. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST SKIPPING TO THE THE BUILDING, DEVELOP A BUILDING STEWARDSHIP PLAN. THEY ARE MOVING THROUGH THAT ONE. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECONSTITUTE THIS OR JUST REACTIVATE THE SPATIALIZATION COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY. RIGHT NOW THE ERP PROJECT IS IN ANNEX B. WE'RE STILL LEASING THE BUILDING FOR HR, WHICH IS VERY SUBPAR FOR WHAT THEY NEED. AS FAR AS NOISE. YEAH, IT'S IT'S NOT A GOOD ONE. 
          WE KNOW THAT IF WHEN THE ERP PROJECT IS FINISHED, WE'LL HAVE FINANCE COMING BACK, WE WILL 
          [02:00:03]
HAVE IT BEING DOUBLE BUNKED AGAIN. AND THEN THE BATHROOMS IN CITY HALL ARE JUST AWFUL. SO THERE'S THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN JUST LOOKING AT ROOFS. THERE'S SOME ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS AND LIVABLE SPACE FOR CURRENT EMPLOYEES. THAT THAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS REALLY PROBABLY THE FOR ME, THE BIGGER PRIORITY. ON THAT ONE. I NOTICED YOU'VE GOT CHAMPIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOT FIVE DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS WITH MUNICIPAL SERVICES REALLY KIND OF THE LEAD DOG ON THAT ONE. NOT NECESSARILY, NOT NECESSARILY. I THINK THAT SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS FEEL LIKE THEIR NEEDS ARE GREAT TO. AND SO I, I WOULD SAY LIKE HR, IT'S NOT THAT THEY'D BE THE LEAD, BUT THEY WOULD REALLY BE PART OF THAT. THEY WANT THE DISCUSSION SHOULD HAPPEN. OKAY. WITH WITH DECISIONS COMING TO COUNCIL. YEAH I DON'T THINK THIS ONE'S CONTROVERSIAL. AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT SPACE UTILIZATION. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING CHANGES HERE. OKAY. QUICKLY, THE RELATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS. 
          MISS MCCLURE AND PJ AND I WENT DOWN AND MET WITH THE TRIBAL BUSINESS COUNCIL. AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM IS INCREDIBLY GOOD RELATIVE TO SOME OF THEIR OTHER PARTNERS. 
          SO. SO I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM THROUGH THE. THEY WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE AREAS CHUBBUCK, POCATELLO, BLACKFOOT, AND I THINK THAT WE DEVELOPED AT LEAST THE BEGINNING OF A GOOD PATH FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME MORE CONSISTENT MEETINGS WITH THEM. I'M MEETING WITH SUPERINTENDENT LAWRENCE MONTHLY, BUT THIS OTHER ONE WITH THE COUNTY COORDINATION. COMMISSIONER MALLARD AND I ARE WONDERING ABOUT MAYBE A. BI ANNUALLY OR QUARTERLY MEETING. JUST JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING. BUT NOTHING. NOTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE STAFF AND US TO, LIKE, HASH IT OUT IN THE MEETING. 
          RIGHT. IT WOULD JUST BE HERE. WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT. MAYBE OUR NEW STREETSCAPE PLAN, RIGHT? OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR US TO MEET WITH THEM ON A COORDINATION MEETING. I MEAN, WE TALK REGULARLY NOW WITH THE COUNTY, BUT AS FAR AS ELECTED OFFICIALS GO, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. YES. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWICE A YEAR AND THE AND THE AND THE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY THAT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR YEAR, IT'S BEEN AROUND THEM A LOT EVENTS. YEAH. AND WE NEVER USED TO BE. WELL I MEAN IT WAS VERY RARE TO EVER BE AT AN EVENT AND HAVE A COMMISSIONER THERE, RIGHT, THAT WE WERE AT, OR FOR THEM TO BE AT AN EVENT AND HAVE US THERE. YOU JUST HAVE A MORE SOCIAL GROUP OF COMMISSIONERS TO LIKE MICHELLE AND JOHN. YEAH, YEAH. ANYWAY, WE YEAH, WE WE ALL HAVE THE SAME PLACE. A LOT OF RELATIONSHIPS ARE RIGHT. BUT LET'S GO BACK TO 91 BECAUSE I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS A CITY. AFTER I TALKED WITH CARLA RECENTLY, IT CAME UP RANDOMLY BECAUSE OF MY WORK. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE POVERTY RATE IN DISTRICT 91. AND SOME OF YOU HEARD ME SAY THIS. SHE WAS SAYING THAT IT'S IT'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE. YES. I THINK THE CITY SHOULD TAKE A STRONGER APPROACH TO OPPOSING CHARTER ABOUT VOUCHERS, BECAUSE THE IDENTITY OF OUR COMMUNITY IS AT STAKE. AND WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR KIDS TO GROW UP TOGETHER. THE FACT THAT JIM, YOU KNOW, OR ME, LIKE I REMEMBER KIDS INTEGRATING FROM GETHSEMANE AND, YOU KNOW, IN JUNIOR HIGH AND THINGS AND LIKE JUST IN AMERICAN HISTORY AND IN A WAY FOR UPWARD ECONOMIC MOBILITY IS THAT YOU WERE WITH OTHER KIDS THAT HAD DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES. AND SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIVATE SCHOOL VOUCHER. I'M TALKING BOTH. I MEAN, I THINK CHARTER SCHOOLS ALSO DISPLACE PLACE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? PLACE AS A POINT OF SCHOOL. SO LIKE COMPASS MY DAUGHTER WENT TO COMPASS AND SHE WOULD HAVE WENT TO SKYLINE WITH HER FRIENDS. RIGHT. BUT THEN THERE WAS A SEPARATE PLACE THAT SHE WENT INSTEAD OF HER NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN OPPOSE THAT COMPLETELY BECAUSE BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT PLACE AND HOW IMPORTANT PLACE IN SCHOOLS ARE, BECAUSE IF YOU LOSE THE IDENTITY OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE IDENTITY OF THAT, THEN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING. AND I JUST 
          [02:05:05]
THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COORDINATION WITH MANAGEMENT, I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO, OUR KIDS ARE GOING TO GET BUZZED OUT OF THE CITY, TO GO TO THE COUNTY, TO GO TO THE NEW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILDING THE NEW TECHNICAL SCHOOL OUTSIDE THE CITY, RIGHT? THE ONE THAT'S THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU SEE THAT COMING? DO YOU JUST WANT US TO IS THIS SOMETHING JUST TO THINK ABOUT, TO PUT ON OUR RADAR, OR ARE YOU TO ADVOCATE FOR? CAN WE MAKE CERTAIN THINGS HAPPEN? IT'S JUST LIKE WE HAVE PROCLAMATION POWERS. WE HAVE WAYS TO SAY WE OPPOSE THIS, BREAKING UP OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS. AND TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT THE CITY WANTS SCHOOLS TO BE PART OF CITY, NOT PART OF OTHER PARTS OF OUR BOUNDARY. THAT'S MY TAKE ON THIS. AND THE VOUCHER QUESTION IS EVEN MORE WORRISOME, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE JUST STAYING HOME AND NOT GETTING TOGETHER AT ALL SOMETIMES AND LEARNING JUST ON THEIR COMPUTERS, WHICH IS FINE FOR SOME KIDS. BUT I JUST THINK I THINK IT'S A COMMUNITY ISSUE AND IT'S NEVER BEING DISCUSSED THAT WAY. LIKE I'M LOOKING AT IT MORE FROM A STANDPOINT OF HOW WOULD HOW WOULD ANYONE IN THIS CITY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT? WHEN WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IT? LIKE, I CAN SEE MAYBE THAT WE WOULD VOTE, THAT WE WOULD SAY WE WOULD SUPPORT THEIR BOND OR WE'D SUPPORT LIKE AN ACTIONABLE THING. BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ISN'T DATA DRIVEN. OKAY, OKAY. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THIS IS JUST SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO COORDINATE WITH DISTRICT 91, THEY'RE ALSO AT RISK. THEY'RE LOSING ALL THIS FUNDING, OKAY. 
          AND THEY'RE LOSING STUDENT COUNTS. AND THEN THEY DON'T GET MONEY, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DEGRADED SCHOOLS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE OUR POLICE AT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO SO QUESTION ON THE COORDINATION WITH D 91. ARE YOU SHIFTING IT? SO IT'S MAYOR TO SUPERINTENDENT INSTEAD OF COUNCIL SUPERINTENDENT. HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO COUNCIL IF COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO MEET AS PART OF THE LIAISON. BUT I JUST HAVE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS WITH WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DUPLICATE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT CONTINUES GOING FORWARD. AND IT'S A IT'S ON, IT'S ON. THERE'S GOING TO DO IT THEN. 
          ALL GOOD. YEAH OKAY. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WITH YEAH, WE MET WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT BUT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY I, I JUST FEEL LIKE. I CAN SHARE A LOT OF THINGS WITH HER AND SHE CAN SHARE A LOT OF THINGS WITH ME. AND THEN WE CAN BRING THOSE FORWARD TO COUNCIL. I THINK IT'S BETTER. MEREDITH. SUPERINTENDENT. OH, YEAH. BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE OPERATIONS ELEMENT. YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON MORE THAN THE COUNCIL PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY. YEAH. SO AS SOON AS WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE HISPANIC. POLICE ACADEMY, AS SOON AS WE HAD THE HISPANIC READERS FOR ONE DISTRICT, ONE BOOK, IT WAS JUST THIS CONSTANT COMMUNICATION THAT I WAS ABLE TO HAVE WITH HER AND GIVE HER NAMES AND OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU READY FOR A BREAK? OKAY, LET'S TAKE A BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND GET DIET PEPSI OKAY. WELCOME BACK. ONE. PICK THE ONE YOU LIKE, I'LL TAKE THE OTHER. I REALLY DON'T CARE. WE JUST FINISHED THE CONVERSATION ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS. THE NEXT ONE IS GOOD GOVERNANCE. I WOULD JUST THIS IS A THIS IS HR. HR IS WORKING REALLY HARD ON THE ERP. 
          THEY STILL ARE FINDING TIME TO DO SOME OF THE PLANS THAT THEY PLANNED ON DOING THIS YEAR. BUT I KNOW THAT THEY ARE REALLY WANTING TO HIT THIS NEXT YEAR HARD. ONCE THE ERP IS DONE, THEY HAVE PLANS FOR HOW TO ONBOARD NEW EMPLOYEES, HOW TO DO BETTER EMPLOYEE TRAINING, HOW TO DO BETTER SUPERVISORY TRAINING. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A LOT OF TIME WITH ERP. 
          AND SO THAT'S. KIND OF SHARPENING THE SAW. YES, I LOVE THIS THING ABOUT TRAINING SUPERVISORS TO PERFORM EVALUATIONS. YES. IN MY TIME WITH THE CITY, I MEAN, BASICALLY IT WAS LIKE THEY JUST HANDED YOU A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT YOU DID TO DO EVALUATIONS FOR, RIGHT? WHEN YOU GOT INTO MANAGEMENT AND IT WAS LIKE YOU HAD NO IDEA HOW TO EVEN DO IT. 
          SO. SO THE EMPLOYEES ARE BEING EVALUATED EVERY YEAR BY SOMEONE WITH A DIFFERENT SET OF, OF METRICS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON TO IT. SO YEAH, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE. THEY'RE REALLY DOING THAT. THEY HAVE WORKED ON THAT. ONE OF THOSE THINGS JUST 
          [02:10:06]
TO KEEP IN MIND, AS IN THE LIAISON ASSIGNMENT IS. THIS HAS DEVELOPED RELIABLE DATA FROM PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS TO INFORM WAGE ADJUSTMENTS. OUR HR DEPARTMENT DOES SCORE THE DIFFERENT POSITIONS. AND IF SOMEONE REALLY IS DOING MORE IN THEIR POSITION THAN WHAT THEY ARE BEING SCORED AT, THEN THERE WOULD BE A REASON TO CHANGE THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND RECLASSIFY THEM. SO WOULD THEY MOVE GRADES? THEY ARE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS PRETTY, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS AS SOMEONE GETS NEW NEW ASSIGNMENTS, NEW DUTIES AND HR WILL LOOK AT THOSE POSITIONS. 
          I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF THIS WITH BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS THAT THAT RESCORING SOMEONE REALLY DOES HAVE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS AS MUCH AS, AS ANYTHING ELSE. SO IF THEY IF THEY RESCORED SOMEONE AND THAT ACTUALLY INDICATED THEY SHOULD GO DOWN, I ASSUME WE'RE NOT GOING TO DROP THEIR. I'VE ACTUALLY NEVER HEARD OF THAT SITUATION WHERE A DIRECTOR IS ASKED TO RESCORE SOMEONE, SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND IT GOES DOWN. USUALLY IT'S IN THE CONTEXT THAT JUST KNOW THAT THE SALARY SCHEDULE IS USED AS A. SO IS THIS IN SOME RESPECTS A ONE TIME MAJOR BUMP? ONCE THEY GET ALL RESCORED AND REALIGNED PROPERLY, I MEAN, THEY GO UP TO A HIGHER LEVEL, BUT THEN THEY GO BACK INTO A REGULAR. YES, BUT FOR THE BUDGET, IT'S AN ONGOING EXPENSE. IT'S ONGOING. BUT THE BIG THE BIG CHANGE HAPPENS IN A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEN IT KIND OF TENDS TO FLATTEN OUT AT A HIGHER LEVEL. 
          BUT IT'S NOT AS INCREMENTALLY EACH YEAR A BIG DEAL AS IT IS THAT FIRST YEAR. IT'S A BIG DEAL. THAT FIRST YEAR. YEP. SO WOULD IT BE STANDARD PROCEDURE THAT IF A DIRECTOR THINKS SHE NEEDS TO REGRADE SOMETHING, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GO THROUGH HR? YES. THE FIRST STEP, THEY DON'T COME TO COUNCIL RIGHT AWAY. THIS IS THIS IS JUST THROUGH HR. AND AND I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE LIAISONS. IF SOMEONE SAYS, OH, I'D REALLY LIKE TO LIFT THIS PERSON OR THAT PERSON, BUT YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THIS IS AN HR DECISION OR HR IS IN THE LOOP, RIGHT? OKAY. FINANCIAL STABILITY. THE ERP HAS JUST BROUGHT UP REALLY GREAT CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT HAVE TO KEEP BEING WORKED THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVELY. IT'S LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS? WE HAVE POLICY WORK THAT'S COMING FORWARD ABOUT OUR TRAVEL POLICY, AGAIN, BECAUSE SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE STILL USING PER DIEM AND SOME ARE P-CARD. WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST, GRANT MANAGEMENT, CASH MANAGEMENT. PROCUREMENT. 
          ALL OF THOSE ARE COMING FORWARD AS PART OF THIS ERP. SO THAT WILL BE POLICY WORK THAT COUNCIL WILL BE DOING. THERE IS THIS WAS OUR COUNCIL PRIORITY LAST YEAR. THERE HAS BEEN HIGH FIDELITY TO THE TIMELINE. IT IS A LAUNCH IN JUNE. IF THEY'VE BEEN WORKING AS AN EXECUTIVE TEAM. AND MARK HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB IN HIS ROLE, THEY ARE GETTING READY TO LOOK FORWARD, THOUGH, TO LOOK AT THE NEXT PUTTING OUT THE RFP FOR THE SIS, WHICH IS THE CUSTOMER INTEGRATION PIECE FOR THE UTILITIES. LUCKILY, BECAUSE THAT RFP IS NOT OUT THERE AND WE HAVEN'T ALREADY SELECTED A VINEYARD VENDOR, IT WILL GIVE THE GROUP WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON IT SOME REST BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY SPENT. THEY HAVE REALLY DONE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON ERP AND THEY'RE STILL BUDGET AND THEY'RE STILL PAYROLL AND THEY'RE STILL GIS WORK. SO THEY THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE TEAM WON'T BE AS BIG. BUT WE WILL BE PUTTING TOGETHER THE TEAM AND BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL FOR THE SIS SYSTEM IN THE NEXT 6 TO 8 MONTHS. IS THERE IS THERE STILL A GOAL OUT THERE TO TRY TO GET ONE? NOT NECESSARILY PERSON, BUT ONE DEPARTMENT FOR ALL. PUBLIC CONTACT FOR ALL UTILITIES. YOU KNOW THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THEIR POWER. THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SEWER. THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHATEVER ONE POINT OF CONTACT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE ONE POINT OF CONTACT. THERE IS CONVERSATION ABOUT. THERE'S A CONVERSATION ACTUALLY HAPPENING 
          [02:15:03]
RIGHT NOW ABOUT USING SOME AI WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH AMAN, THAT IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING ABOUT MY PROPERTY TAXES, IT'S LIKE PUTTING YOUR ADDRESS. LET ME HELP YOU. AND THEN THEY WOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNTY OR WHATEVER. THERE'S JUST THERE'S OTHER CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING, BUT SO FAR THERE'S NOT A CONVERSATION ABOUT ONE. I JUST WONDERED IF ERP WOULD HELP FACILITATE THAT. BUT NO, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE BRIDGE ON ON 17TH STREET THAT WAS JUST EAST OF HIT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES CHRIS HENDERSON GOT A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEBODY ASKING WHEN THE CITY WAS GOING TO GET THAT FINISHED. YEAH. IT WOULD NOT BE A WAY TO PUSH IT OFF. IT WOULD JUST BE A WAY THAT WAS LIKE, OH, THEY ANSWERED MY QUESTION ANYWAY. THAT'S NOT BEING A YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT MORE IF IT EVER REALLY GROWS LEGS, BUT THIS IS JUST REALLY AN UPDATE THAT ERP WILL BE DONE. BUT SIS PROCUREMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION IS STILL ON THE RADAR. SO I WOULD TAKE OFF ERP FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT LEAVE SIS PROCUREMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION AS A PRIORITY. I WOULD NOT WANT TO STOP NOW. I WOULD NOT WANT TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS THIS PERSONALLY, BUT I WOULD LEAVE THAT ALSO AS PART OF A DISCUSSION IF YOU FEEL LIKE. YOU EARLIER MENTIONED THE BUILDING OVER HERE THAT THEY'RE USING. YES. ARE THEY STILL GOING TO NEED SPACE IN THAT BUILDING? NO, NOT AS MUCH. OKAY. THE IDEA IS MAYBE THAT MOST OF THEM WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK FROM WHATEVER DEPARTMENT THEY'RE IN. I MEAN, THERE'S STILL A CONVERSATION ABOUT TAKING UP WHO WILL TAKE UP THE LEAD ON THAT. JOSH FROM POWER. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S CONVERSATIONS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MARK WOULD CONTINUE? OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE BUILDING MORE THAN ANYTHING. YEAH I THINK THAT WOULD THAT BE A PLACE TO MOVE HR YEAH. YEAH OR. YEAH OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. YEAH OKAY. YEAH. BUT THEN WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A PLACE FOR ALL THE FINANCE WHEN THEY COME BACK INTO THIS BUILDING. YEAH. WOULD IT BE NICE NOT TO RENT THE HEART? IT WOULD BE NICE. AND THE HEART BUILDING. YES. SO YOU'RE FINE IF I TAKE OFF ERP? OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS JUST PLANNING FOR TOMORROW. AND MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER LARSON. MAYBE THIS IS WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING WITH THE ONE THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IN FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS A FULL STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION PLAN, AND IT STARTS RIGHT AT THE GROUND LEVEL, WHERE RIGHT NOW, IF A STREET IS BEING BUILT, OUR CONTRACTOR IS SENDING OUT LIKE A LITTLE DOOR HANGER. BUT WE WANT THAT TO BE CONSISTENT SO THAT REGARDLESS OF WHO THE CONTRACTOR IS, IT SAYS THIS IS A CITY PROJECT BECAUSE OFTENTIMES IT MIGHT JUST BE HK THAT HAS THEIRS. THIS IS A CITY PROJECT. IF YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS RUINED DURING THIS STREET WORK, OR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, OR IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN AND THEN GIVE A CITY NUMBER. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SYSTEMATIZE THAT SO THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT CONTRACTOR WE'RE USING, WHETHER IT'S A POWER OR PUBLIC WORKS. SO NOW IS IT THE CONTRACTOR THEY CALL THIS THE DOOR HANGER. SAY CALL HK OR I DON'T THINK ANY OF IT HAS A CALL ON IT. IT JUST SAYS WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE AREA IN THE NEXT WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME DOING WORK. DON'T PARK ON THE STREET OR YEAH, THIS WILL BE MORE SPECIFIC. THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IT'S A CITY PROJECT. 
          AND HERE'S A CITY PERSON TO CALL. SURE. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTION MAP THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED A FEW YEARS AGO. YES. WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND CLICK ON EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL ONES. AND HOW IF THERE WAS ANY DATA ABOUT HOW OFTEN THAT GETS USED, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'VE HEARD ANYBODY EVER SAY I CLICKED ON THAT THING AND LOOKED AT IT. RIGHT? WE ARE TRYING TO MESSAGE ALL OF THAT A LITTLE BETTER THROUGH VIDEO AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND PRESS RELEASES. WENT TO THE EFFORT TO BUILD THE SITE. RIGHT. AND TO HAVE IT. AND THEN WE DON'T NOBODY KNOWS IT'S THERE. YEAH. PUSH THAT OUT. 
          COMMENTS. OKAY. THEN LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT. LET'S GO IN AND DIG INTO PARKS THEN. NOW I 
          [02:20:07]
THINK THAT'S A GOOD. 230. YEAH, WE PROBABLY HAVE AT LEAST AN HOUR AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS. 
          THE PARKS. ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKS MASTER PLANS. AND COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN BROUGHT THIS UP AGAIN TO MAYBE LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN. SO WE'VE WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS HAPPENING HERE. WE HAVE THIS. LIST OF PICTURES. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES AS PART OF THIS. AND THEN JUST THE THE WORK THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE THE PAGE ITSELF. OKAY. SO LA. WE SPOKE WITH KATHY NEAR ON YESTERDAY AND SUSAN BUXOM FROM DEPARTMENT STATE DEPARTMENT PARKS AND REC OKAY. AND KATHY MUIR HAS SUBMITTED TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. SHE WE ARE WAITING. SHE'S WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM SHIPPO. BUT HER RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THIS PARK HAS NO EFFECT ON SHIPPO, AND SHE THINKS THAT THEY WILL CONCUR, BUT SHE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM THE FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK. IF SHE HASN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM. WETLANDS HAS NO EFFECT. SHE'S ALREADY SUBMITTED THAT TO THE. ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, THE ENDANGERED SPECIES. WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR ARBORIST SEND A PICTURE OF THE SITE AND HAVE A LETTER THAT SAYS THAT THE YELLOW BILLED CUCKOO BIRD IS DOES NOT LIVE ON THIS PROPERTY, AND THERE IS NO HABITAT SUITABLE FOR THEM. AND WE'RE GOOD THAT THOSE THOSE ARE THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS. BUT SHE DID SAY THAT ALTHOUGH THE PROCESS IS NOT COMPLETE, A CONVERSION IS APPROVED AND WE CAN BEGIN PARK CONSTRUCTION FOR OUR MITIGATION, FOR OUR MITIGATION. OKAY. IF WE HAVE A PARK WITH PLAYABLE FIELDS CONFIRMED JUST BY A PICTURE. SO THIS IS JUST IF YOU LOOK AT THE. OH, I DON'T HAVE THE PARK PLAN WITH ME. MELBOURNE PARK HAS BECAUSE IT'S JUST A ROUGH DRAWING. IT'S NOT A SITE PLAN. 
          IF WE JUST HAVE GRASS AND SOME SOCCER NETS, WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE. FINALLY, FOR THE $250,000 GRANT AND WE CAN USE IT AT MELBOURNE PARK. SO THEN WE HAVE A MATCH. AND I ASKED THE SPECIFICALLY CAN WE USE IT AT THAT PARK? AND SHE SAID, ONCE YOU'VE HAD THE CONVERSION AND YOU CAN SHOW US A PICTURE THAT THERE'S PLAYABLE PARK THERE, WE CAN USE IT FOR THE SHELTER, WE CAN USE IT FOR THE BATHROOMS, WE CAN USE IT FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. WE CAN USE IT FOR ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT GO INTO THAT PARK. BUT IT'S A MATCH, RIGHT? IT'S A MATCH. IT'S A 50, 50, 50, 50. YEP. SO WE WOULD THEY ALMOST ALWAYS ARE. YEAH. YEAH. 
          YEP. OKAY. BUT WE ALREADY KNOW IT'S IN LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT ANYWAY. 
          SO IT'S LIKE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PUTTING ANYTHING ELSE INTO IT, BUT IT MAKES US IT ALLOWS US TO BE ELIGIBLE AND WE CAN START IMMEDIATELY. WELL, ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT SIX YEARS? BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE. RIGHT, CATHERINE? IT WAS SIX YEARS. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD. SIX YEARS. NOW THAT WE'VE GOT IT SUBMITTED BEFORE WE'D BE ABLE TO CONVERT. YEAH, WE CONFIRMED THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HER ABOUT THAT, AND SHE SAID THAT IT WAS BECAUSE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PERSON JUST KEPT CHANGING AND THAT FINALLY, THE PERSON WHO HELPED ADA COUNTY GET IN THERE, COMPLIANCE IS THE VERY SAME COMPLIANCE PERSON THAT SHE IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH, AND HE HAS NO INTENT TO RESIGN ANYTIME SOON. SHE THINKS WILL BE SHE THINKS WE'RE THERE. I WENT WELL, SHE SAID WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE COMPLIANCE. DO WE, DO WE HAVE THAT? AND THAT WAS ON A PHONE CALL. YES. I'M BEING A LITTLE PARANOID. DO WE NEED TO DO WE DO WE HAVE ANY. HAVE THEY SENT US THE CHECK? WE HAVEN'T. 
          WELL, HERE'S THE THING. WE HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR ANY GRANTS. YEAH. WE HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING BEFORE WE APPLY. WE DO HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING BEFORE WE APPLY. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE GETTING BACK IN COMPLIANCE. YES. WE HAVE TO BUILD BEFORE WE. ARE BACK IN COMPLIANCE. OKAY. OKAY. SO I GOT A QUESTION. OKAY. HOW MUCH EFFORT HAS IT TAKEN ON YOUR 
          [02:25:05]
PART TO MAKE TO GET THE THE WHEELS ROLLING TO THIS LEVEL? HARDLY ANYTHING. JUST A PHONE CALL TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND REC JUST FOR KATHY MUIR TO SAY. I MEAN, ALL OF THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE BY PJ AND KATHRYN. THE CS THAT THEY HAD TO WRITE TOOK MANY, MANY, MANY MONTHS TO TRY AND GET. AND TWO YEARS. SO TWO YEARS TO TRY AND GET THAT DONE. BUT ONCE ALL THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY KATHERINE AND PJ, YES, WE WERE STILL BEING TOLD BY KATHY THAT, OH YEAH, NOW THAT YOU'VE REACHED THIS POINT, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SIX YEARS. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WAS REALLY COMING FROM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY SAID WE'RE WE'RE THERE. 
          AND I ASKED REALLY SPECIFICALLY AND, AND SUSAN WAS ON THE PHONE CALL FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND, AND SHE WAS VERY CLEAR. TWO THINGS. WE WE ARE WE HAVE A CONVERSION PROPERTY THAT WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION ON. RIGHT. AND WE CAN USE MONEY FOR THAT PARK. 
          FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. WHERE'S THE PARK AGAIN? I'M JUST GOING TO BE ON RIGHT ABOVE CEI JUST BY. YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH. IT'S IT'S BY THE COMMUNITY GARDENS AS WELL. GARDENS. ALL RIGHT. 
          ABOUT EIGHT ACRES. THAT'S JUST THE NAME THAT WE'VE BEEN CALLING IT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NAMED. YEAH. PARK. IT'S JUST THE OPEN ROAD. OKAY. SO WE SO WE HAVE THAT. BUT BUT SHE DID SAY I MEAN WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION AND THEN ACTUALLY SUSAN BLOXHAM HOW DO YOU SAY HER LAST NAME KATHERINE. AGAIN I CAN'T REMEMBER BUT THANK YOU. SHE SHE HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR KATHERINE TO DO SOME WORK ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THROUGH HARRIMAN. 
          SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY PRODUCTIVE PHONE CALL. THEY THEY HAVE LOTS OF MONEY THAT THEY WANT TO SEND OVER TO EASTERN IDAHO IN TRAILS AND BOAT RAMPS TO SPEND IT, AND OUTDOOR REC AND COURTNEY LYDIARD SITS ON THE BOARD. SO WE'VE GOT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME CONNECTIONS TO GET SOME THINGS DONE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH CF. SO ONE OTHER QUESTION, ONE LAST QUESTION THEN IS THERE ANY NEED THEN TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO ENGAGE WITH SENATOR SIMPSON'S OFFICE ON THIS. OR YOU FEEL LIKE, NO, NO NEED, NO NEED. WE GOT WHAT WE NEED. WE GOT WHAT WE NEED. AND SHE EVEN SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD ENGAGE SIMPSON'S OFFICE. WE'RE THERE. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T NEED TO, BECAUSE NOW IT'S THERE'S THE ATTENTION RIGHT THERE. THAT'S AWESOME. SO WE JUST NEED TO PJ WILL FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE LETTER FROM THE I. YEAH. WASHBURN TO GET THE BILLED CUCKOO BIRD BILLED CUCKOO BIRD OFF OF OUR LIST. THERE'S THE CAR. OKAY. I'M GOING TO. HERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL. BUT IT, IT IT PLAYS INTO THIS METHOD PARK. AND IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF SEEDS AND PARKS ASSIGNMENTS. AND IT IS GOING TO BE ON STEWARDSHIP. IT'S IT IT DOVETAILS HERE JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT A HEAVY LIFT THIS IS. I JUST DIDN'T WANT THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE IN SEEDS AND PARKS TO NOT KNOW WHAT A HEAVY LIFT THIS IS GOING TO BE. WE DON'T WANT TO DESIGN MEPPEN PARK USING THE R ONE STANDARDS BECAUSE THE COST WILL BE SO HIGH. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR PARK STANDARDS ADOPTED SO WE CAN BUILD THIS PARK BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IN PARK STANDARDS. GREAT. I HAVE THAT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE US. IT HAS. SO THE TIMELINE FOR THE PARK ZONE DIRECTOR SANDER AND PJ HAVE BEEN WORKING AND DIRECTOR HOME. I DON'T WANT TO USE THEIR FIRST NAME, BUT THEY THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING TO BRING THIS PARK ZONE TOGETHER, THEIR STANDARDS, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT LANGUAGE. APRIL 6TH WORK SESSION. GREAT FOR THE PARK ZONE FOR REVIEW. WE'LL DO MINOR COMMENTS AND I HAVE YEAH. IF YOU'RE LOOKING I DO HAVE THIS ON THE PAGE. APRIL 22ND IS WHEN THE PARK ZONE NEEDS TO BE INTO THE CDS SYSTEM. APRIL 23RD IS WHEN WE CAN START REALLY WORKING ON THE SITE. PLAN FOR PARK USING THESE STANDARDS, EVEN THOUGH THE STANDARDS HAVE 
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NOT BEEN ADOPTED ADOPTED, WE CAN START DOING SITE WORK AROUND THE AREA ANY TIME BETWEEN NOW BECAUSE WE WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT PROPERTY. MAY 15TH IS WHEN THE LEGAL NOTICE FOR THE PARK ZONE WILL GO OUT. JUNE 2ND IS WHEN IT WILL GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND JUNE 25TH IS WHEN IT'S GOING TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR OUR HEARING. EXCELLENT. GOOD. SO THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A LIFT. YEAH. YEAH. BUT HE'S GOT A GOOD START. HE'S GOT THE FIRST DRAFT THAT PJ IS STARTING TO PUT TOGETHER. HE'S GOT A GOOD START. AND IT'S IT'S ALREADY BACK AT CDS AND THEY'VE GOT A MEETING PLANNED I THINK FOR MONDAY TO REALLY HIT THAT. SO JUST KNOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON IS IT'S A LIFT TO GET THIS TO US BY JUNE 25TH. SO WE CAN BE IN COMPLIANCE BY AUGUST AND HIT THE LCFF DEADLINE END OF AUGUST. THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS GOING. GOOD. OKAY. AND THEY'VE THEY'VE COMMITTED TO IT. RIGHT. WE'VE GOT DATES. WE'RE READY TO GO. ALL RIGHT. SO BACK IN PARKS, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT WHAT ELSE PARKS HAS GOING ON. 
          BIG. THIS IS THIS IS STILL PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THEIR PARKS MASTER PLAN. IS THIS ON A PAGE YOU GAVE IT. IT IS ON THIS RIGHT HERE FOR THEIR IMPLEMENTATION. YES. IT'S IN THIS PACKET. IT'S IN THE PACKET. THAT ONE THERE. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEP. THAT ONE. OH NOT. YEAH. NO THE BIG ONE BY YOUR RIGHT HAND. IT'S IN THERE. YEAH. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A TABLE THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT OKAY. SO 2026. THEY'RE WORKING. THEY'VE GOT THE DESIGN WORK. AND MONEY HAS BEEN SET ASIDE IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS REALIGNMENT OF SOFTBALL DRIVE TO CREATE THE NEW LOCATION FOR THE ZOO ENTRANCE AND TO CLOSE OFF SOFTBALL DRIVE AS IT GOES DOWN THE HILL. THAT'S THIS YEAR, OPEN ADVENTURE ISLAND. BEFORE WINTER. YEP, THERE. JUNE IS THEIR EXPECTED OPENING DATE FOR THAT. THAT HERITAGE PARK AS PART OF THE PJ, IS WORKING OFF OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLANS, INCLUDING THE GREENBELT CIP, WHICH IS COMING FROM POWER. THE IMPACT CIP, AND THEN JUST HIS MASTER PARKS PLAN. SO THERE'S A LOT. HERITAGE PARK IS TO FINISH THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PARKING LOT. SO THIS HAS TO STILL GO TO DESIGN. AND THEN ROTARY IS COMMITTING BETWEEN 70 AND 80,000 TO HELP GET LIGHTS ALONG HERITAGE PARK'S WALKING PATH. WE CAN USE. IT'S ALSO LISTED IN DIRECTOR HOMES IMPACT FEE STUDY. AND THEN OF COURSE IN THE GREENBELT CIP FROM POWER. WE DO NOT HE DOES NOT HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO USE THE CIVIC IMPACT FEES, BECAUSE WE ONLY SAID HE COULD USE IMPACT FEES FOR CONVERSION AS THE AUTHORITY THAT WAS GRANTED TO HIM. BUT IF YOU THERE WAS THE ONE PAGE THAT SHOWED IMPACT FEES. IT WAS JUST A TABLE RIGHT HERE. HERE'S WHY I THINK, AND THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION NOW. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SPEND IMPACT FEES BECAUSE OF THE LAWSUIT. WE HAD A BALANCE, AN EXISTING IMPACT FEE BALANCE OF $1.5 MILLION. AND THAT NUMBER WAS REDUCED BY HOW MUCH WE CAN COLLECT ON OUR CURRENT IMPACT FEE STUDY. OKAY. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE START LETTING DIRECTORS USE THEIR IMPACT FEE, STUDY THEIR IMPACT FEE MONEY FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE COLLECTED FOR. I AGREE, I AGREE 100%. YEP, DEFINITELY GO FOR IT. SO IF THEY'VE GOT A PROJECT THAT IS IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE, GO GET IT DONE, THEN LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD. IT'S HARD BEING HELD HOSTAGE OKAY. YEAH I THINK WE YEAH. IF WE DON'T, WE SEND THAT MESSAGE TO THEM THAT THEY CAN JUST KEEP SUING US AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO NOT SPEND THE 
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MONEY. YEAH, WELL, OF COURSE THEY'VE BEEN. THEY ALREADY HAD ANOTHER TOOL TO YELL AT US ABOUT THAT. WE WEREN'T SPENDING THE MONEY. RIGHT. YEAH. THAT WAS A BIZARRE ARGUMENT TOO, WASN'T IT? YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO SUE YOU FOR SPENDING THE MONEY. YEAH, I NOTICE YOU HAVEN'T SPENT THE MONEY. YEAH. THE ONLY THING I'D ASK ON THAT IS WHEN WE GET THE QUARTERLY REPORTS OR WHATEVER IT SHOULD LIST WHERE OUR MONEY IS. THE MONEY'S GOING. YES. AND IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN CONSISTENTLY DOING THAT. IT WILL. YEAH. OKAY. YEP. IT WILL. IT'LL BE THERE APRIL 2ND IS THE DATE FOR THE HEARING ON THE DISMISSAL OF THE IMPACT FEE THAT THEY REFILED. 
          OH. AND SO THAT THAT HEARING IS APRIL 2ND. DO WE KNOW WHO WHAT CONTRACTOR FILED ZACH, DO YOU WANT TO YOU'RE MAYBE NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT. THE IMPACT WHICH THE THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T THERE WASN'T A SPECIFIC CONTRACTOR. THEY LISTED SOME NAMES AND SAID THESE MIGHT HAVE BEEN HAVE SOME PENALTY OR HAVE SOME IMPACT, BUT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY. OH SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. 
          SORRY. YEAH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE LAWSUIT. YES. YES. THERE WERE IN THE COMPLAINT. THERE WERE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF LIKE 4 OR 5 MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION LISTED SPECIFICALLY, WHICH IS WHAT THE DISTRICT HAD ASKED FOR, BUT NONE OF THEM ACTUALLY JOINED THE LAWSUIT. SO THAT WOULD GIVE THEM AN ABILITY. YEAH. GO AHEAD. FINISH. YEAH. SO WHAT THAT THE COURT HAD TOLD THE ASSOCIATION LOOK TO HAVE STANDING TO CHALLENGE THE ORDINANCE AND DECLARE IT INVALID, YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST SHOW ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS HAS STANDING. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'VE NOW LISTED MEMBERS. BUT BUT THE COURT HAD ALSO SAID TO GET DAMAGES BECAUSE ASSOCIATION HAD TO PAY ANYTHING TO GET DAMAGES. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO. 
          ACTUALLY JOIN THE LAWSUIT, BECOME LITIGANTS. BUT NOBODY HAS HAS A NOW. SO BUT THEY HAVE FILED A MOTION TO FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO TO BE THE ONE IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCUR SOME RISK BY TAKING ON THE LAWSUIT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, MICHELE? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK APPARENTLY THEY DO. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THEY'RE RETICENT TO DO IT BECAUSE IT WOULD COST THEM SOME MONEY. NOW, IF THEY LOSE, RIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR FOR LEGAL FEES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. NOT NECESSARILY THAT, BUT POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY IF THE STANDARD FOR LEGAL FEES IN IDAHO IS, IT HAS TO BE FRIVOLOUS OR WITHOUT A BASIS OF LAW OR FACT. THAT'S IT'S RARE FOR ATTORNEYS TO GET AWARDED, BUT IT'S NOT RARE FOR SOMEONE IF YOU LOSE A SUIT TO HAVE TO PAY THE LEGAL FEES OF THE OTHER PERSON IN THE SUIT, RIGHT. IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF LAWSUIT. FOR COMMERCIAL TRANSACTIONS, IT'S AUTOMATIC FOR JUST THE RUN OF THE MILL, LIKE THE LAWSUIT. IT'S YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY WERE FRIVOLOUS AND BRING IT IN, WHICH IS PRETTY HARD TO DO TYPICALLY. OKAY, SO I'VE GOT CONFIRMATION FROM COUNCIL SPENDING PACKAGE. YEAH. YES. RYDER PARK IS IRRIGATION AND SOD ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PARK. THE TRAILS. THIS IS WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THIS YEAR. THE TRAILS WE'VE TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY IS ASPEN POINT. THIS IS OFF OF SUNNYSIDE, WHICH IS THE OLD WALSH DAIRY PROPERTY. OH YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. GOING ALONG THE CANAL GOES ALONG THE CANAL. IT'LL GO DOWN PAST THE CASTLE ROCK BRIDGE, AND THEN IT ACTUALLY HOOKS INTO A STORM POND THAT'S DOWN THERE. SO IT WOULD GET JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CANAL TRAIL'S DONE. AND THEN FOR THE 2028, THE WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED THE TAP GRANTS TO FINISH OUT THE TRAIL ALONG THOMAS PARK AND THE UPPER LEVEL SO THAT IT WOULD HAVE AN ASPHALT PATH ALL AROUND, KIND OF THAT BIG FIELD, AND THEN CONNECT. LOVEJOY UP TO LINCOLN AND OVER TO CREST AND CREATE THAT FINISH THAT LOOP OUT TO. AND THERE'S A PATH AROUND TWO SIDES OF PINE CREST ALREADY. THERE IS. YEAH. SO THAT'S OUR THAT IS ALREADY THERE'S GOING TO BE A BUDGET MATCH FOR BOTH OF THOSE. BUT THAT'S THOSE ARE 2028. AND THE BUDGET MATCH FOR THIS YEAR'S TAP GRANT IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE IN THIS. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RYDER CORRECT. YES. AND I SEE THIS THING ABOUT RECEIVED LETTER FROM GATEWAY CANCELING THE CONTRACT. OH YES. WHAT'S THE GATEWAY WAS THE SLEDDING OPERATOR. OH, OKAY. AND THEY. 
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SO THAT WAS JUST A NOTE TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT. SO IS THERE ANY EXPECTATION ANYBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED IN USING THAT HILL. NO. SO WE JUST HAVE THIS REALLY PRETTY HILL. SO WHO WAS DOING THE ROCK WORK ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT? NATE DURKEE WHO WAS PAYING FOR IT. 
          WE DID. YEAH. AND A LITTLE BIT OF GATEWAY. AND THEN WE FINISHED IT UP. WE FINISHED THAT. WE FINISHED THAT OKAY. AND. THEN THEY WOULD SOD DOWN TO THE PONDS. I WONDER IF THEY COULDN'T USE THAT HILL FOR SOME, SOME TIE IN SOMEHOW WITH THE BIKE TRAILS DOWN THERE AND STUFF, YOU MAYBE YOU COULD PUT A BIG LAUNCH AND YOU COULD. YEAH, YOU GET GOING REALLY FAST DOWN THAT HILL AND THEN GET INTO THOSE EMPTY DOS. I MEAN, MAYBE YOU COULD CLEAR SUNNYSIDE TO THE NORTH. I THINK WE SHOULD DO AN RFP AND JUST ANOTHER VENDOR DOING THE SLEDDING. LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T WE SEEK THAT OUT? THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YOU DO HAVE THE GUY THAT'S OPERATING THE ONE UP ON IONA HILL. MAYBE HE'D BE INTERESTED. WELL, I WONDERED WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD. I MEAN, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE, WHERE THE PUMPS ARE THERE AND ALL OF THAT, LIKE. AND MAYBE IF THE CITY JUST DECIDED TO BUY A SNOW MAKER, A SNOW MAKING MACHINE, THAT WE COULD CREATE OUR OWN FUN SLEDDING HILL, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. YOU MIGHT HAVE A STAFF, THOUGH. YOU'D HAVE TO HIRE SOME KIND OF ENGINEER TO DESIGN IT PROPERLY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I THINK IT'S BEEN DESIGNED ALREADY. LIKE YOU JUST FOLLOW THE DESIGN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED, NOT OF THE HILL OF THE ACTUAL OH, THE SCULPTING. OH YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD DO ALL OF THE SLOPING, MAYBE JUST HAVE THE MAYBE IT'S JUST LIKE THE SLED HILL. DO WE KNOW WHY IT FAILED? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT DIDN'T WORK FINANCIALLY, BUT DO WE KNOW ANY. YES. WHY IT DIDN'T WORK. YES. IT WAS FRAUD. NOT ON OUR PART. THEY THEY HAD DEVELOPED 2 OR 3 OTHER PROPERTIES AND THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD PURCHASED AND THEY HAD NOT PURCHASED, THEY HAD DONE IT. 
          THEIR PARTNER HAD DONE IT ON A. PAYMENT PLAN. SO THEY THOUGHT THEY CAPITALIZED THEIR ASSETS AND THEY DID NOT HAVE THEIR ASSETS. AND THEN THEY AND SO THIS IS A LEGAL BATTLE BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR PARTNERSHIP. BUT OTHER THEY HAD TWO SLED HILLS AT LEAST DOWN IN UTAH THAT ARE THAT THEY'VE ALSO WITHDRAWN FROM. SO IT REALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VIABILITY OF THIS PROJECT WAS NOT THE VIABILITY OF IT. SO THAT GOES BACK TO JOHN'S COMMENT ABOUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IFFY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY FILE A PROPER FINANCIAL REPORTS. 
          YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID. WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD SAY ANECDOTALLY, I SAW A LOT OF COMPLAINING ABOUT THE COST OF IT, THE EXPENSE, THE EXPENSE. 
          AND IT DID CREATE THIS INTERESTING COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER SLED HILL ACROSS TOWN THAT WAS LESS EXPENSIVE. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY, PERHAPS WITH LARGER FAMILIES. AND IT'S A IT WAS $100. BASICALLY, IF YOU HAD THREE KIDS, 100 BUCKS FOR 90 MINUTES. YEAH, YEAH. AND THAT'S REALLY I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WHEN THEY CAME AND PITCHED US, AND WE WERE ALL THINKING THIS WAS GOING TO BE THIS GREAT, AFFORDABLE FAMILY ACTIVITY. WE KNEW IT WOULD COST SOMETHING. EVERYTHING COST SOMETHING. BUT I WAS I WAS UNPREPARED ANYWAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CALLED ME AND SAID, WHY WOULD YOU EVER LET SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT'S REALLY ELITIST, LIKE, BE ON CITY PROPERTY? BUT WE DIDN'T CONTROL THE PRICING STRUCTURE. 
          I MEAN, WE DID, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS PITCHED TO US THAT WAY. NO, NO, IT WAS NOT SO. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN EAGLE, IDAHO. IT WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP IN 15 YEARS. THEY GAVE SAME COMPANY, SAME COMPANY, SAME PERSON, JUST GOT A LITTLE, I CAN'T REMEMBER A MUCH MILDER CLIMB OR JUST AN EXAMPLE THEY WERE POINTING TO OF A SUCCESSFUL. THIS WAS THEIR THIS WAS THE THIS WAS THEM. AND SO IS THAT ALSO EMBROILED IN IN THE LAWSUIT THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE SAME THING WITH ALL OF THEM. 
          I'M I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED INTO THAT ENOUGH. KNOW THAT IT'S JUST BEEN IT'S PARTNERSHIP FRAUD. I WOULD LOVE TO VISIT WITH PJ ABOUT YOU KNOW AT LEAST EXPLORING THE NOTION OF THE CITY GETTING SOME SNOW MAKING. AND TO MAKE IT A CITY OWNED. IT SEEMS LIKE THE WAY THAT HE'S DEVELOPED THE ROCK WORK, THAT AT LEAST YOU COULD CLIMB THAT HILL. I MEAN, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THE MAGIC CARPET THAT WOULD TAKE YOU UP TO THE TOP. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE AT LEAST THE WAY HIS DESIGNED THAT THERE'S A DECENT WALK PATH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE START ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE SO YOU'RE NOT WALKING IN THE WAY OF THE PEOPLE. YEAH. SO THAT YOU'RE WALKING. YEAH. 
          SLIDING DOWN THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY AROUND THE MOUNTAIN WITHOUT WITH A PRETTY DECENT 
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SLOPE. SO YEAH, I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE PARKS AND REC LIAISONS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE APPROVAL FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER FOR THE PUMP TO USE THE WATER OUT OF RYDER POND. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH IT'S SNOWMAKING MACHINE COST, THOUGH. I'LL FIND OUT. OKAY. AND HAVE DIRECTOR HOME TELL YOU WHAT DIFFICULTIES THEY HAD IN THE PARK BECAUSE THE SNOW MELTED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THERE'S IMPLICATIONS WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT. YEAH, JUST GO FOR IT. OR THE RUNOFF GOES AND STUFF. YEAH, EXACTLY. WELL, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. WELL, ANYWAY. YEAH. OKAY. THIS YEAR WOULD HAVE BEEN A PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE TO. YEAH. THIS IS AWFUL. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY ANSWERED THE QUESTION FOR SANDY DOWNS. IF WE CAN USE THE IMPACT FEE MONEY, WE KNOW THAT IT'S IN THE IMPACT VSIP PLAN. THIS IS A ROUGH CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF WHAT SANDY DOWNS LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS A FEW YEARS OLD. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CURRENT BMX BIKE PATH. SO THERE'S OR TRACKS. SO THERE'S SOME. THERE'S CLEARLY A SITE PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AROUND THIS. THE COUNTY IS INTERESTED IN DOING SOME CAMPGROUNDS, SO THAT'S A FURTHER CONVERSATION IN THIS SPACE THAT'S BEEN PLANNED THAT HAS THE CONCEPT. YES. YEAH. 
          HERE. INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. JUST SO NOT OVER TOP. BUT THEY'VE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FROM A COUNTY CAMPGROUNDS STANDPOINT. WE USED IT DURING THE ECLIPSE FOR THIS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. WHERE THE COUNTY IS HOPING TO PUT. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS HOPING TO PUT YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE PLANNING SOMETHING THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY OVERLAY AND IT COMPLEMENTS. YEAH. NO COMPLIMENTS. NOT I THINK IT COMPLEMENTS I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION, BUT I BELIEVE IN TALKING TO DIRECTOR HOME IN THE PAST THAT IT WAS DONE IN COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY AND, AND THAT ANYTHING YOU SEE HERE COMPLEMENTS. BUT I CAN'T TELL ANYTHING FROM THIS BUT NOT ABOUT. YEAH I KNOW, YEAH, I CAN SEE I CAN SEE EIGHT BALL FIELDS OR 12 BALL FIELDS, BUT I HAVE MORE OF LIKE IN MY MIND WHAT I KNOW YOU KNOW. YEAH. THIS IS YEAH. THIS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. IT STARTED AS A HORSE. 
          THE CENTER PART OF THIS, THE SOUTH END OF IT, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, ABOUT FOUR BASEBALL DIAMONDS. YEAH. YES. WHAT'S THE UPPER LEFT? SOFTBALL. SOFTBALL. OKAY. THE OTHER CLOVERS. YEAH, THERE'S SOFTBALL DIAMONDS AND SEVEN. NO BASEBALL. BASEBALL. CORRECT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SIX, LIKE SOCCER FIELDS. YES. RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. OKAY. THAT'S HOW BIG THIS PROPERTY IS. WHAT ARE THE EIGHT LITTLE SQUARES THAT ARE IN A RECTANGULAR BOX DOWN AT THE BOTTOM LEFT. KIND OF BEFORE THE PICKLEBALL. NO. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MASSIVE. IF THAT'S PICKLEBALL, I THINK THAT THOSE THAT IDENTIFY SOME OF THAT CAMPGROUND STUFF THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE. I THOUGHT HE HAD TALKED ABOUT THOUGH, TENNIS OR PICKLEBALL BEING OUT THERE. WELL, MAYBE THOSE LITTLE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR LITTLE GRAY SQUARES. YEAH. OR. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. YEAH. HEY, THERE. YEAH. OH, MAYBE THERE ARE EIGHT. OH YEAH. I'LL GET. YEAH. BUT NO MATTER WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A SITE PLAN DEVELOPED. YEAH. AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE A PARK ZONE. BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO KNOW, LIKE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN IT, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP BASED ON INTENSITY RATHER THAN ZONING. SO. SO IS THAT A POND IN THE MIDDLE? NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SAND DUNE. YES. 
          OKAY. THAT'S THE DUNE. YEAH. LARGE GRAND PIANO. YES. AND DIRECTOR HOLM HAS SAID WONDERED HOW WE WOULD FEEL ABOUT LEVELING A LOT OF THAT SAND DUNE. IT MOVES PRETTY REGULARLY. 
          YEAH. IT DOES. AND AND IT'S LIKE IT COULD BE A GREAT WAY TO TO START THAT IRRIGATION LEVEL IS BY JUST SPREADING OUT THE SAND AND THEN BRINGING IN THE TOPSOIL. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THERE'S SOME LIABILITY TO HAVING THIS IN DUNES. IT LOOKS LIKE A HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. IT'D JUST BE SO EXPENSIVE. THAT WOULD BE REALLY PRICEY. ME I HAVE NO IDEA. I'M JUST MOVE THAT MUCH SAND. SO IS THIS THE ONE THE KIDS RUN UP AND DOWN AND SLIDE DOWN? DO ALL THAT SO IT WOULDN'T BE SANDY DOWNS AND SANDY FLATS. THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE. JUST BE MINDFUL OF THE. THIS SITE PLAN IS REALLY CONCEPTUAL AND BUT THE IDEA IS IT THAT IT WOULD BE A SPORTS COMPLEX AND YOU CAN STILL SEE THAT WE WOULD STILL KEEP THE 
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GRANDSTAND FOR THE RODEO. IT'S STILL PART OF THE OF SANDY DOWNS IS THAT THAT UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, THE UPPER LEFT. YEAH. WELL, YEAH. NOT THE VERY TOP BUT. YEAH. TO THE LEFT OF THE SOFTBALL. YEAH. CAN YOU COMBINE LAND AND WATER MONEY WITH IMPACT FEE MONEY. YES. SO WE CAN KIND OF DOUBLE SOME MONEY THAT WAY OKAY. I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. YOU CAN COMBINE THE IMPACT FEE MONEY WITH LAND AND WATER. OH YEAH. OH VERY GOOD. A SNOWMAKING MACHINE IS 60 TO $90,000. I THINK YOU MIGHT NEED MORE THAN ONE, BUT I THINK THEY WERE USING FOUR. BUT YEAH, YOU COULD MAKE SOMETHING WORK. YEAH, I THINK YOU GOTTA HAVE A WAY TO PUSH IT AROUND. BUT I ALSO LOVE AN RFP, LIKE A REVENUE MODEL SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO READ. YEAH, YEAH. ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN CONTROL THE COST. IF WE'RE PUTTING OUT THE RFP, WE CAN SAY WHAT THE COST HAS TO BE. YEAH. 
          AND THEN AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAYBE HAVE THE MAGIC CARPET. BUT ANYWAY, OKAY, SO WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH SITE PLAN. BUT COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, THE QUESTION WHEN YOU ASKED ABOUT LAND AND WATER, THIS IS NOT IN LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION RIGHT NOW. YES. SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION WE WOULD WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO DISCUSS TO BRING FORWARD AT SOME POINT. SAND CREEK GOLF COURSE IS IN LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE HAVE. WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT WE COULD STILL THAT ARE STILL LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION, BUT WE HAVE WE COULD BUILD ANOTHER GOLF COURSE. I, I HEARD I'M HEARING SANDY DOWN HERE THAT A LOT. YEAH, I HEAR IT A LOT TOO. WE'RE WE'RE OUT OF WE GOT PLENTY OF SAND FOR THE SAND TRAPS. LOTS OF SAND, THOUGH. IT'S BAD SAND. WE COULD BUILD A GOLF COURSE. THAT IS JUST SAND. YEAH. WHOLE NEW. GUESS HOW MUCH WATER IT WOULD. I ORIGINALLY HAD SAND, GREEN SAND AND GREENS. ALL YOU NEED IS A WEDGE. THEY OIL THEM. THEN THE GREEN BELT. 
          CIP THIS YEAR HAS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE BRIDGE IN THE JAPANESE GARDEN, ADDING THE RAILROAD BRIDGE PATHWAY AND DOWNSTAIRS, NOT DOWN THE STAIRS. STAIRS TO THE PARK THAT'S IN THE GREEN BELT CIP. AS LONG AS WELL AS SOME OF THAT LIGHTING AT HERITAGE PARK. CAN WE PUT A SUSPENSION BRIDGE IN ANYBODY ELSE? REMEMBER? I REMEMBER THE BRIDGE. SUSPENSION BRIDGE? YEAH. 
          WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SWING. YES. YEAH, YEAH. SO I GOT THE ONE THAT PRIORITY. ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THE BRIDGE TO THE PARK FIRST OR THE STEPS DOWN FROM THE TRAIL FIRST, OR ARE THEY. 
          IS THAT STILL YOU'RE TALKING FROM THE RAILROAD BRIDGE. YEAH. YES. NOT NOT THE RAILROAD BRIDGE. THE ONE THAT IS NOW KIND OF A SINGLE LANE, YOU KNOW. OH NO, NO NO, NO. THE ONE THAT GOES OUT TO PETERSON PARK OR THE FRIENDSHIP GARDEN. YEAH. IT'S REAL NARROW, RIGHT? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS GOING TO BE A PRIORITY TO REPLACE BECAUSE IT'S NARROW AND IT'S FAILING. YEAH. THE CONCRETE'S FAILING. YES. RIGHT. BUT THEN I THOUGHT, OH NO, I THOUGHT PJ SAID HE WANTED TO BUILD THE STEPS DOWN FROM THE RAILROAD TRAIL THAT EVENTUALLY WILL CROSS THE BRIDGE INTO THE PARK FIRST. SO WHICH IS DO YOU NEED BOTH? WHAT DO YOU NEED BOTH. THAT'S A GOOD EVENTUALLY YOU NEED BOTH. BOTH. WHICH ONES FIRST OR HAS THAT NOT DECISION BEEN MADE? THE DECISION KEEPS GETTING CONTRADICTED OKAY, BUT THEY'RE BOTH IN THE CIP FOR THIS YEAR OKAY OKAY OKAY. SO WHICH WHICHEVER ONE MAYBE AS LONG AS ONE OF THEM IS IN DESIGN AND THE OTHER ONE IS JUST BY THE MATERIALS AND PUT IT DOWN, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT'LL BE. OKAY. BUT YEAH, I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT. YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED THE LITTLE BRIDGE IF YOU HAD ACCESS FROM THE FROM THE RAILROAD DOWN TO THE PARK. WELL, THE RAILROAD DOESN'T GO DOWN TO THE PARK, RIGHT? THE RAILROAD STEPS DOWN FROM THE RAILROAD PATH DOWN INTO THE PARK. THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO ACCESS THE PARK. YOU COULD ACCESS THE ISLAND FROM THE RAILROAD, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY. OKAY, SO YOU'RE WITH YOUR PARKS LIAISON, SO YOU CAN TALK THROUGH SOME OF THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU WOULD WANT SOME KIND OF ADA. WELL, THAT'S TRUE ACCESS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU GET ONTO THE ISLAND FROM. YEAH, THE KEYBANK PARKING LOT. BUT IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU HAD A RAMP AND SOME STAIRS, I MEAN, THE THE BRIDGE I THINK IS ABOUT $300,000 TO REPLACE THE ONE ON THE SPORTSMAN. YEAH, I HAD IT WRITTEN DOWN. HE HAD 400, BUT I THINK IT CAME IN A LITTLE LESS. THEY HAD A 400,000. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OTHER PRIORITIES YOU'D 
          [02:55:23]
LIKE TO GIVE PARKS. YEAH. WELL AND I WOULD DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO TO ON THE PARK MASTER PLAN ON THE BOTTOM PICTURE. AND IF YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM MIDDLE LEFT, THE DOUBLE SIZED HOCKEY ARENA. YES. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PLAN ORIGINALLY WAS TO ADD A SECOND SHEET OF ICE THERE. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LOCKER ROOMS AVAILABLE, WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. I HAVE NOT CONFIRMED YET WHETHER OR NOT THAT COMPRESSOR CAN HANDLE 2 OR 2 SHEETS OF ICE. 
          PJ DOESN'T SEEM TO THINK SO, BUT I BUT TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE. AND YOU WERE IN THE ROOM WHEN WHEN WE ASKED MIKE ABOUT THAT. WHEN THEY BUILT THAT, WHEN THEY PUT THAT NEW COMPRESSOR IN THAT THAT WAS THE IDEA. THEY, THEY BOUGHT A DOUBLE SIZED COMPRESSOR SO THAT THEY COULD DO TWO SHEETS OF ICE WITH IT SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER COMPRESSOR IN IN THE SECOND SHEET OF ICE WHEN THEY GOT AROUND TO BUILDING IT. SO THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COME OBVIOUSLY WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF ICE TIME. WE'RE OUT. WE'RE OUT OF ICE TIME. RIGHT. WE HAVE MORE USERS THAN THAN WE HAVE ICE FOR. SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. ARE THE TWO HOCKEY GROUPS GETTING ALONG ANY BETTER? NOT. NO, BUT I AND I KNOW THAT THE THEY BOTH STARTED MAKING MENTIONS OF BUILDING A SECOND SHEET OF ICE. 
          YOU KNOW, DOING A FUNDRAISING EFFORTS TO, TO DO A SECOND SHEET OF ICE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S POSSIBILITIES FROM WITH THESE TWO GROUPS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP WITH NUMEROUS GROUPS THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T BE ON THE HOOK TO BUILD THIS RINK BY OURSELVES. I THINK THAT, WELL, THERE'S THERE'S IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WE COULD CONVINCE THEM TO TRY TO WORK TOGETHER TO BUILD THIS SECOND SHEET OF ICE? WELL, YEAH. NOT RIGHT AT THE MOMENT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LAWSUIT GOING ON. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S A THAT'S A DOWNER, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THEY REALLY CAN'T BE IN THIS ROOM TOGETHER. I DID TALK TO A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S ON THE BOARD AT THE, AT CHC, AND THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN DONATING SOME MONEY TO THE SECOND SHEET OF ICE FOR THE CITY OF VERY SUPPORTIVE. IT IS IN THE CIP PLAN FOR IMPACT FEES AS WELL. YEAH, I THINK I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD LISTEN TO WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT THE DEHYD AND GETTING THE YEAR ROUND, BECAUSE YOU CAN DOUBLE SOME ICE TIME BY ADDING FOUR MORE MONTHS. YES, YOU COULD, BUT THE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT THE MONEY THAT WE TOOK TO BUILD THE RINK IN THE FIRST PLACE, THAT'S NOT TRUE, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT TRUE. I THOUGHT WE COULD ONLY HAVE IT OPEN SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR. NO. NOT TRUE. THAT WAS A RUMOR. REALLY? YEAH. AND AND HONESTLY, LIKE A LOGICALLY BIZARRE OBLIGATION. YEAH. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? LIKE, LIKE, WHY WOULD OUR CITY EVER AGREE TO THAT? WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN, I HAVE HEARD IT MANY TIMES. YEAH, FOR SURE, FOR SURE, FOR SURE. BUT WE KNOW FOR SURE IT'S NOT TRUE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW SURE, BUT I'VE HEARD IT FROM THREE SOURCES THAT THEY WENT AND LOOKED AND AND THE THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          SOURCE DOCUMENTS DO NOT SAY THAT NOBODY CAN FOLLOW. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT NO ONE CAN PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT PROVES THE OBLIGATION SO THEY WOULDN'T FIND IT. SO YEAH. RIGHT HERE. 
          YEAH. SO THE ONE. YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH. THAT'S THE SECOND. SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT TIME BUT RIGHT. IT IS THE RIGHT TIME AND I APOLOGIZE I'M NOT SETTING THINGS DIRECTOR HOME OR ANY LIAISONS. BUT I DID RECENTLY SO I, I DON'T KNOW A TON ABOUT HOCKEY. AND I HAVE SPENT NOT A LOT OF TIME IN THE ICE ARENA A LITTLE BIT DURING HIGH SCHOOL, BUT NOT NOW. I HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE TALK TO ME THIS WEEK ABOUT HOW WE HAVE THE COLDEST ICE RINK IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES, AND THAT PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PLAY IN OUR ARENA BECAUSE OF THE TEMPERATURE THAT GUESTS EXPERIENCE. BUT APPARENTLY BECAUSE OF THE GUEST EXPERIENCE, LIKE WATCHING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY. AND APPARENTLY WE HAVE THE NICEST CHANGING ROOMS. YEAH. THE NICEST ALSO IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES. BUT WE LITERALLY HAVE PEOPLE NOT ONLY COMPLAINING, BUT REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD INVEST THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE INTO THE FACILITY. BUT WE MAKE IT SO UNCOMFORTABLE FOR PEOPLE TO GO THERE AND INHERENTLY UNINVITING. BECAUSE WHAT'S REALLY FUNNY IS, THE ONLY THING I REMEMBER ABOUT WATCHING HOCKEY IN HIGH SCHOOL IS HOW COLD I WAS. LIKE, LEGITIMATELY. 
          [03:00:03]
IT TURNS OUT THAT'S NOT GOTTEN ANY BETTER. WE DID INSULATE IT. IT IS A LITTLE BIT. SO, I MEAN, I, I AM REAL BRAZIL. I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, OR HAVE ANY HOCKEY EXPERIENCE EITHER. I DON'T KNOW HOW REAL THAT IS. BUT BUT IT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING CONCERN BECAUSE I THOUGHT, MAN, IT KIND OF IS CRUCIAL TO AN EXPERIENCE. AND WHY WOULD WE INVEST, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MORE IN THAT AREA IF IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE PEOPLE? WELL, IT WOULD BE A BE A SEPARATE BUILDING. SEPARATE BUILDING. YEAH. BUT HOW BAD DOES THAT LOOK THOUGH. THE SECOND ONE'S WARMER AND ONE'S COLDER. NO I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIX. SO I GUESS IS IT IS IT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE FIXED? IS THIS JUST A RANDOM. I JUST HAVE SOME RANDOM EXPERIENCES. WHEN I WAS LIAISON AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS WITH YOU OR WITH SOMEONE ELSE, BUT CAST HAD DONE. THEY HAVE THE BLUEPRINTS. IT WAS NOT. YEAH, THEY WERE DESIGNED AT LEAST. SO FOR A SECOND SECOND SHEET. OKAY. YES, I DO THINK THE SPUD KINGS GAME I DO THINK THAT THAT'S REAL. IS THAT SECOND SHEET HOUSED IN A COMPLETELY SEPARATE STRUCTURE. 
          NO, IT WAS A SIMILAR. SO I THINK THEY WERE GOING TO SOMEHOW COMBINE THEM. THEY WERE GOING TO COMBINE THEM AND HAVE SEATS FOR BOTH DIRECTIONS. SO BUT I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE WERE DESIGN PLANS. SO ANYWAY. BUT THE SECOND THING IS COUNCIL MEMBER LARSON JUST BROUGHT UP, IF WE DO PURSUE A YEAR ROUND ARENA IN THE CURRENT FACILITY, WHAT DOES WHAT WHAT DOES THAT WHAT DOES WHAT DOES HAPPENS WITH PICKLEBALL? AND AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS THAT PICKLEBALL HAS NOT PRODUCED THE RETURN AND RESULTS THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR. AND SO THERE ARE SECONDARY MARKETS TO SELL THAT EQUIPMENT. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. COUNCILOR LARSON, THAT WAS UNDER UTILIZED FOR SURE. WELL, AND I THINK PART OF IT, PART OF IT IS THAT I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THOSE NICE SUMMER MONTHS THAT MOST PEOPLE WANT TO BE OUT OUTSIDE AND NOT NOT INSIDE. AND SO I THINK THAT IF THE CITY WERE TO FIND OTHER LOCATIONS TO UTILIZE THAT EQUIPMENT, WE COULD PUT IT TO WORK AND IT WOULD GET USED. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO INSIDE A METAL BUILDING IN THE SUMMERTIME TO PLAY PICKLEBALL, EVEN THOUGH THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LESS WINDY. BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS PEOPLE WANT TO BE OUTSIDE. YEAH. I THINK ANOTHER CONSIDERATION MIGHT BE THAT MAYBE IN THE SUMMER YOU ONLY NEED ONE SHEET OF ICE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T NEED BOTH. SO YOU KEEP ONE OPEN IN THE SUMMER AND YOU KEEP THE OTHER ONE IN THE PICKLEBALL. RIGHT? IF YOU HAD TWO SHEETS, THEN YOU'D KEEP ONE OPEN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY. YOU SAW THE COUNCIL MEETING THE PEOPLE, THE FIGURE SKATERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE ARE YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD THAT FROM THE HOCKEY COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'RE USED TO THE SEASON BEING OVER AND MOVING ON. YEAH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEIR KIDS ARE PLAYING OTHER SPORTS. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. BUT THE FIGURE SKATERS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. YOU KNOW, THEY THEY DON'T LIKE TO LOSE THEIR SKILLS OVER THE THEY GO TO LOGAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW. AND WHILE WE'RE RESEARCHING SOME THINGS, I DID GET ASKED AGAIN ABOUT WHY WE DON'T ALLOW EVENTS IN THE SUMMER IN THAT SPACE. AND I HAD I HAD RECALLED EVERYTHING I COULD RECALL ABOUT ANSWERING THAT. BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS I COULDN'T ANSWER. OKAY, SO SO WE SHOULD GET A WRITTEN A SIMPLE EMAIL ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. BECAUSE THE THE CONVERSATION WAS, DO YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH MONEY I WAS GOING TO SPEND? YES. ON THE RENTAL AND THE FOOD IN YOUR CITY, AND YOU CHOSE TO GET RID OF THIS? I GOT A LOT OF INTERESTING FEEDBACK THIS WEEK. 
          YEAH, MORE THAN USUAL. MORE THAN USUAL. TURNS OUT YOU ARE THE HOCKEY PERSON. YEAH, I HAVE A LOT OR I IT'S ONLY MONEY AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE MONEY, BUT I WOULD BUILD A YEAR ROUND ICE ARENA NEXT TO THIS ONE BUT KEEP THEM SEPARATE SO THEY'RE NOT ONE BUILDING. AND THEN YOU COULD MAKE THE NEW ONE GUEST FRIENDLY AS WELL RATHER THAN GO BACK AND RETRO THE OTHER ONE. 
          AND THAT WAY YOU HAVE IF YOU'RE HAVING YOUR TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF SPECTATORS, YOU'RE HAVING IT IN A NEW ONE. BUT THE PRACTICES AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC SKATING IS IN THE OLD ONE. IT OPENS UP A VARIETY OF THINGS. BUT AND THE OTHER THING IS, MY GROUND RULE IS WHATEVER WE DO, WE DON'T LET ANY OF THE ICE INTEREST GROUPS HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING. IF WE GET A GRANT FOR IT, FINE. IF WE GET NAMING RIGHTS, FINE. BUT THIS IS A CITY BUILDING OPERATED BY THE CITY AT THE CITY'S CONTROL. SO WE DON'T GET 
          [03:05:07]
INTO THAT MEETING WE HAD. RIGHT. I AGREE WITH OWNERSHIP 100%. I ALSO DON'T AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO SWAY USER GROUPS FROM WANTING TO HELP MAKE IT HAPPEN. RIGHT? OH, I'M GLAD TO HAVE THEM HELP MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT THEY DON'T AUTOMATICALLY GET AN INTEREST IN ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MANAGEMENT OR THE WAY WE DECIDE HOW TO RUN. WELL, IT MAY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM. I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE THAT IN THE CONTRACT, BUT YOU KNOW, US ACCEPTING MONEY OR CONTRIBUTIONS FROM YOUR ORGANIZATION IN NO WAY GIVE YOU ANY RIGHTS TO THE FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, AND I HAVE STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON JUST TO UNDERSTAND HOW CAN WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND THE MECHANICS BEHIND ESSENTIALLY DOING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WHERE WE HAVE SOME GROUPS THAT MAY BE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE IN-KIND DONATIONS, BUT TO A CITY ASSET, AND UNDER THE NOTION THAT WE'RE USING PUBLIC FUNDS TO HELP IF, IF NOT FULLY, BUT AT LEAST PARTIALLY CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THE PAYMENT OF THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S SOME MECHANICS IN THE BACKGROUND THAT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WITHOUT QUESTION. AND SO I'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS WITH HIM, AND HE'S PROVIDING ME SOME INFORMATION. AND THAT'S GOING TO COME FORWARD IN OUR PROCUREMENT POLICY OKAY. AS WELL A NEW ONE OKAY. WELL I'M GOING TO THROW A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING OUT THERE TOO. THEN I THINK ALL OF THESE ARE GOOD IDEAS. I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER IT. 
          WE WE THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE PARK ZONE DONE, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING SOME OF THE SOFTBALL DIAMONDS. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THOSE ARE WELL USED SOFTBALL DIAMONDS. WE HAVE SOFTBALL DIAMONDS PLANNED AT SANDY DOWNS. MAYBE THERE'S SOME REPLACEMENT ONES IN THE MEANTIME. I MEAN, PART OF ME FEELS LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, MAYBE THIS IS WHERE A COMMUNITY CENTER GOES, LIKE, WHY ARE WE GOING TO BUILD ALL OF THIS IN JUST, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, OR IS THIS JUST GOING TO BE THE HOCKEY PLACE? OH, ACTUALLY YOU'RE INCORPORATING THE HOCKEY INTO THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. LIKE, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. OH I THINK DOWN WHERE THE WHERE THE CAMEL IS AND THE ELK RANGE. THAT'S WHERE THERE'S SPACE. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE CUTTING THAT OFF WITH THE ZOO PLAN WE'RE HAVING NOW. SO THERE'S NO CONNECTION. SO YOU'D HAVE TO DO SOME INTERESTING THINGS. BUT I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD SPOT FOR IT, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE A NUMBER OF THINGS THERE. RIGHT. THAT IS I MEAN, PASTURE BIG ENOUGH. RIGHT. IT'S WELL IT'S PASTURE AND THE MAINTENANCE AND WE OWN THE PROPERTY BEHIND MICKELSON MARBLE LIKE AND WE HAVE ROSEHILL AND LIKE YOU TAKE OUT THE OUTFIELD ELK PASTURE BALL FIELD. YEAH. OKAY. THAT ACTUALLY HAD A THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT DOING AN RFP THERE FOR A REXBURG RAPIDS TYPE OF THING AT SOME POINT TO SEE IF A PRIVATE COMPANY WOULD HAVE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING. I THINK THIS IS WHY THIS IS I KNEW THIS WOULD BE A BIGGER CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING ROLE AND DEBT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I MEAN, I THINK THOMAS PARK MIGHT BE AN LWCF, AT LEAST PARTS OF IT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEE MONEY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY CENTER AND ANOTHER SHEET OF ICE. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT THESE 5 OR 6 ISSUES THAT KIND OF SEEM TO BE SWIRLING AROUND. AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THEM HOLISTICALLY, IT MIGHT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY REALLY ARE PLANNING TO BUILD THAT ROUNDABOUT THIS SUMMER. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. THEN WE HAVE WE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME QUICK DECISIONS. I THINK WE'RE ROUNDABOUT. IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOWNHILL. 
          RIGHT? IT IS. I THINK THAT EXISTS EITHER WAY. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO THE DESIGN WORK. AND ALL OF THE GRADIENT WORK FOR THE. HAS IT BEEN $1 MILLION GRADIENT WORK HAS BEEN WORKED OUT FOR THE GIFT SHOP TO MOVE. YEAH. THERE IS A THERE IS AN IDEA FOR THERE TO BE A NEW ZOO ENTRANCE THERE AND JUST CLOSE OFF SOFTBALL. THEY REALIGNED NORTH PARK LOOP ROAD TO COME OUT THERE. I DO THINK THAT YOU HAVE FUN LAND IN THE MIX AS WELL. AND THEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF THERE'S A SPACE NEXT TO FUN LINE THAT'S NOT BEING USED RIGHT TO THE EAST, AND THEN JUST THE ASPHALT LOT AND THEN THE PUTT PUTT GOLF. ALSO WE HAVE A PARKING LOT THERE THAT'S RIDICULOUS. FOR THE ALL ACCESS. THAT'S WAY DONE. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE THAT PARK ZONE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THAT LANDSCAPING IN IT. YEAH. ANYWAY, 
          [03:10:06]
SO YES, I MEAN THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS IS THE BIGGER CONVERSATION, I WILL TELL YOU THAT REXBURG JUST BUILT A HOCKEY RINK, RIGHT? THEY DID NOT I KNOW, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY DID IT. SO THE GUY THERE DID THAT DOWNTOWN. HE RAN A AN ICE RINK DOWNTOWN AND IT WAS NEXT TO BYU IDAHO. AND HE GOT SO MUCH REVENUE THAT THAT'S WHEN HE STARTED DECIDING HE WANTED A RINK FOR FREE SKATES IN REXBURG. AND HE'S A DEVELOPER OUT OF PORTLAND. HE BUILT IT. AND NOW ON ON REXBURG PROPERTY, AND THEN HE'S OPERATING IT UNTIL HE GETS HIS DOLLARS BACK AND THEN HANDING IT OVER. BUT NOW HE GAVE IT. NOW HE DID. HE JUST GAVE IT ALL TO HIM. DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE OF THE USER GROUPS. IT WAS EASIER JUST TO SAY, I'M DONE WITH THE HOCKEY BUSINESS BECAUSE I CAN'T BECAUSE I CAN'T MANAGE THE DEMAND FOR IT FROM THE USER GROUPS. SO BUT HE BUILT IT WITHOUT THE CITY HAVING TO DO IT. HE DID WHAT I'M SAYING, DAVID, THE PROPERTY IS WORTH $1 MILLION. LIKE WHAT IF THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THESE RFPS ARE INTERESTING TO SEE IF IF SOMEONE WOULD DO IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THERE. THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S A THROUGHPUT. WAIT, I WANT TO HEAR THAT BETTER. 
          YOU'RE SAYING PUT OUT AN RFP AND ASK IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO THE THE NAMING RIGHTS AND JUST BUILD THE RINK, DO THE PROPERTY. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND LET THEM PUT LIKE IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING EVEN BIGGER AND JUST OKAY, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMPANY IF THERE WAS ANY NEEDS AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE AND JUST AND THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU COULD EVEN SEE IF THOSE WERE AVAILABLE, BECAUSE THAT'S A COMMERCIAL ZONE. YOU COULD PUT HOTELS ALONG ALL THOSE SPORTS STUFF LIKE THAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THEN YOU'RE REALLY NOT THAT FAR TO GET TO THE RIVER. I MEAN, YOU'RE ONLY ONE BLOCK FROM YELLOWSTONE, AND THEN OUR SOUTH TOURIST PARK, LIKE IT'S A BIG KIND OF WE DO HAVE ALL OF THOSE ROLLING BALL DIAMONDS AS WELL. THAT'S ALL. 
          PARK SPACE AND MARS HILL, WHICH IS HUGE. IT IS A HUGE THING. AND IF YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE WITH SOME VISION, LOOK AT IT BESIDES US THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT RFP IS IF NOTHING COMES IN THAT YOU WANT TO DO, YOU DON'T DO. YEAH. ANYWAY, I JUST I WOULDN'T FOCUS ON TOPAZ PARK AS THE LOCATION FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. I THINK WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE LOCATION. I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS TOO. THIS IS THIS IS NEAR A RESIDENTIAL AREA, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE SAID THAT, BUT THE ELK PASTURE, LIKE NOT I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE UP HERE, BUT OFF OF ROLAND DEBT, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD LOCATION FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER, DEPENDING ON I MEAN, IT'S THERE'S LOTS OF I KNOW WE STILL HAVE THOSE OTHER OPTIONS, BUT IT'S JUST A TO BE HONEST. I MEAN, IF WE GOT $1 MILLION FOR ICE, RIGHT? AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CURRENT FACILITY, WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT PART, WE HAVE EVEN A BIGGER SPACE BECAUSE WE OWN THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND IF YOU REALLY JUST GOT RID OF THE CAMELS AND THE AND THE RED PANDA, LIKE, YOU COULD JUST YOU FOLLOW THE CANAL INSTEAD YOU AND THEN GET TO THE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING THAT BOTTOM FLOOR PROPERTY HARDLY AT ALL. RIGHT. AND SO YOU REALLY HAVE THIS HUGE CORRIDOR THERE ON A REBUILT STREET. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, I COULD GET BEHIND. I'M WITH YOU, THOUGH, LIKE TOUCHING, LIKE PUTTING IT IN KIND OF THE HEART OF TOPHUS OR UP TOWARDS TO ME, I'M LIKE, WE WE I DON'T KNOW, I JUST VIEW THIS AS I THINK OUR RESIDENTS VIEW THIS AS SUCH. LIKE IT IS A NICE IT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT. YEAH I DO, I ACTUALLY AGREE. AND YOU SAID THE ELK PASTURE AND THEN I THOUGHT, OH ROLAND, DEBT ROAD GETS IMPROVED. YEAH. THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE THE OTHER MORE OPPORTUNITY WITH THAT. I ALSO THINK WE COULD IMPLEMENT THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM ACROSS THE STREET. OH I THINK WE WOULD WE WOULD GIVE THAT TO US. RIGHT. BUT OF COURSE THAT WOULD UNDERMINE THE ZOO MASTER PLAN, WHICH WE'VE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD. NO, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE MONGOLIAN EXHIBIT. YEAH. TO THE WHERE THE CAMELS MOVE OVER TO THAT BIG SPACE. AND DAVID HAS THIS CONCEPT OF A MONGOLIAN EXHIBIT TO WHERE THE FOUR PROPERTIES. RIGHT. NO, NO, NO, WHERE THE CAMELS ARE NOW THE ELK PASTURE BECOME THIS EXHIBIT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY YOU GET RID OF SOFTBALL DRIVE. SO IT'S ONE BIGGER SECTION OF ZOO, WHICH I THINK IS MORE THE MASTER PLAN THAN A COMMUNITY CENTER. I JUST THINK I'D SURE WANT A LONG TALK 
          [03:15:02]
WITH DAVID BEFORE I DID THAT. OH, FOR SURE YOU WOULDN'T DO THIS. YEAH. I MEAN, EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, IT'S BEEN ADVENTURE ISLAND IS GOING TO OPEN AND IT'S JUST TAKEN A REALLY LONG TIME. AND SO I AND AND WE KEEP INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING TO THE ZOO. SO I JUST WONDER WHETHER THAT I MEAN, IF IN MY OPINION, IF YOU WERE TO SAY DO YOU WANT A MONGOLIAN EXHIBIT OR A COMMUNITY CENTER OR BOTH, WHY CAN'T YOU DO BOTH? YEAH. THEN I JUST FEEL LIKE. BUT IF IT IS AN EITHER OR THOUGH, RIGHT. IF IT BECAUSE THE REALITY IS, IS I'VE SEEN AND HEARD ABOUT THESE PLANS FOR YEARS AND YEARS ON THE PARKS AND REC COMMISSION, ABOUT THE ZOO EXPANSION AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES TO THAT. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I WAS ASKED THAT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, LIKE, WHY DO WE PUT SO MUCH MONEY INTO THE ZOO? WHY IS THIS SIT JUST ON THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS? SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF. AND WE'VE DONE A I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          AND WE'VE RAISED THE RATES. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE REASON WE HAVE MORE REVENUE THAN THEY EXPECTED, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A RATE FOR OUTSIDE RESIDENTS. WE WE SUPPLEMENT IT 50%. YEAH. 
          YEAH WE DO. BUT WE MADE THAT DECISION. OUR ZOO IS FUNDED FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS IT'S THE PROPORTIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE. OTHER ZOOS OF COMPARABLE SIZE. AND YET THE REASON WE FELT THAT WAY IS THAT TREATING ANIMALS WELL ENOUGH BECAUSE POCATELLO DOESN'T PUT THE MONEY. AND SO IN THE 80S, THERE WERE ALL THIS YUCKY, LIKE DEAD ANIMALS AND STUFF. AND SO TO BE AZA ACCREDITED, IT WAS LIKE, OH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE MONEY IN AND COMMIT TO DO IT. IF I AGREE, IF YOU COULD FIND ANOTHER BUSINESS MODEL, RIGHT. BUT YOU CAN'T, WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS HAVE ANIMALS AND CHEAP IT. NO, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DEAD ANIMALS. NO. YEAH. NO I AGREE YOU GOT TO DO IT RIGHT OR DON'T DO IT. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. YOU READY FOR ANOTHER ONE? YEAH. YOU STARTED THE LAST CONVERSATION. SO AS YOU NOTICED, WE HAVE THE CONNECTING COMMUNITIES MAP. YES. AND WE HAVE THE LOVEJOY SECTION RIGHT HERE WHERE IT COMES BACK IN AND MEETS ELVIS RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF PINECREST GOLF COURSE. WELL, THERE'S A PARK THERE CALLED LOVEJOY PARK. YES. CENTRAL PARK, A LITTLE THERE'S A LITTLE PARK RIGHT ON THE CORNER BY THE SECOND TEE AT PINE CREST CALLED LOVEJOY PARK OR BEL-AIR PARK. 
          EXCUSE ME. YEAH, BEL AIR PARK. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YEARS AGO WHEN WE WHEN WE DECIDED TO BUILD THE, THE SPLASH PAD OVER ON WASHBURN AT REINHARDT, THAT MAYBE THE SECOND ONE WOULD GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN AT THIS LOCATION. SO JUST TO HAVE IT ON YOUR RADAR, WELL, ONCE WE HAVE LAND AND WATER, I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A WATER PARK AND YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WITH LAZY RIVER AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A SPLASH PAD ON THE WEST SIDE. THIS WOULD BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR A SPLASH PAD. AND IT'S RIGHT THERE WHERE THE RED MEETS THE BLUE. YES. YEAH. YES. YEAH. TOWARD THE STREET GOES AND SPLITS AND IT WOULD SERVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL. AND THAT'S. AND SO THAT WOULD CONNECT THAT SPLASH PAD WITH THE BIKE PATH WITH THE BIKE PATH. THE OTHER THING YOU COULD USE, THE OTHER THING YOU COULD USE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF OUR FEW LMI IS CDBG MONEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF OUR FEW LOW MODERATE INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS. I LIKE THAT, YEAH, THAT'D BE A GREAT PLACE FOR ONE. AND THEN PEOPLE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE SAY, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE CLEAR TO THE WEST SIDE. GO. THE BEST PLACE FOR ONE IS ON PINECREST IN THE MIDDLE. YOU CAN GET IT STRIPPED DOWN. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE WATER ON THE. WE COULD USE SURFACE WATER FOR THAT. YEAH, IT'S ALREADY THERE. WE JUST SPRINKLE OUR KIDS WITH DISHWATER. I MEAN, I THINK THESE ARE. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE WATER. WE SHOULD HAVE. THAT WAS THE IDEA WITH SPLASH PAD. IT WAS ALSO A DESIGN OFFICE NORTH OF THE THE ALL PURPOSE PLAYGROUND. AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE CURRENT YES SPLASH PAD THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DESIGN IT. WE JUST NEED SOMEBODY TO COME AND SAY, HERE'S A GOOD SPLASH PAD THAT'S ALREADY BEEN WORKING FOR YEARS AND YEARS, AND THEN JUST COPY AND PASTE. JUST COPY AND PASTE. YOU COULD USE ONE A COMMUNITY PARK, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT SPOT IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU JUST GEOGRAPHICALLY WITHIN THE CITY AND THE DUAL USE THE AND THERE ARE ONLY THERE LESS THAN A HALF $1 MILLION. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. IT'S 250,000 WITH LAND AND WATER EVERY YEAR. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I FOR YEARS I LIVED JUST THREE BLOCKS NORTH OF. 
          THAT'S MY ONE SITE FOR 17 YEARS. AND WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT IT, I THOUGHT. IT'S KIND OF WEAK SAUCE, YOU KNOW? BUT I REMEMBER MY KIDS GOING TO THE POOL. YEAH. AND IT WAS LIKE OUR OWN PRIVATE POOL. YEAH. WE WALKED THREE BLOCKS. THEY BOUGHT A COUPON BOOK. AND AFTER ABOUT A MONTH, THE TEENAGERS THAT RAN IT DIDN'T ASK FOR A COUPON ANYMORE. AND MY KIDS WOULD GO DOWN AND 
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THEY'D SWIM FOR 20 MINUTES OR 4 HOURS. IT DIDN'T MATTER. BLUE DOLPHIN. SO IF THAT SAME LIFEGUARD THERE, ONE OF THE GUYS NOT ASKING FOR THE PHONE. YEAH, PJ, PJ WORKED THERE TOO, I THINK. I THINK THE SPLASH PAD IS HONESTLY THE PERFECT SIZE FOR FLASH. MY POINT IS THAT IT'S A YEAH, YOU TALK ABOUT ONE AT LOVEJOY. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S THIS LITTLE SMALL POCKET PARK WITH THEIR OWN LITTLE PRIVATE LITTLE SPLASH PAD. ONCE WE GET INTO LCFF COMPLIANCE, GET ON OUR BIKES RIGHT NOW. MORE OPTIONS. WE CAN PUT THIS. WE CAN SAY, YEAH, WE WANT TO PUT THIS PIECE INTO LCFF. YEAH. AND THEN WE DON'T BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH COMPLIANCE. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF INSERTING IT INTO LA BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A PARK. AND THEN WE GET IT'S BUY TWO, GET ONE FREE. YEAH. YOU GET, YOU GET YOUR HALF OF YOUR SPLASH PAD PAID FOR. I AM SO HAPPY TO HEAR YOU GUYS ALL SUPPORTED SPLASH PADS. I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE CASE. OH THAT'S GREAT. NO, I THINK EVERYONE'S HAPPY TO DO SPLASH PADS. I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR LA BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'VE BEEN WAITING. WAS STILL GOING TO BE DOING THEM WITHOUT IT. OKAY. ARE YOU READY FOR ONE MORE. YEAH. BUT NO YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A WIN IN THE WIN COLUMN. THE THE HK PIT. YES. AND AND WE'VE GOT TO START THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS WHEN YOU GET IT. I THINK THEY KEEP EXTENDING IT LIKE YEAH HK THEY'RE STILL MINING. YEAH. 
          MATERIAL THERE. IS IT AT THEIR DISCRETION WHEN IT COMES TO US KNOW THERE'S A DEADLINE. YEAH. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY MONEY TO DEVELOP IT RIGHT NOW ANYWAY. SO IT'S, IT'S FINE IF THEY'RE AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT BRINGING A BUNCH OF CRAP IN THERE AND DUMPING IT, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE US HAVE THAT BIG CLEANUP PROJECT AND HAVE IT BE A SUPERFUND SITE OR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT. RECHARGING THEIR IT'S A RECHARGE. RIGHT. SO WE GOT IT. RECHARGE SITE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN IN THERE. FREDERICKSON TOOK ME OUT THERE AND DROVE ME AROUND ONE DAY. AND IT IT ACTUALLY WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD PLACE FOR BALLFIELDS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A NATURAL BURN FOR PEOPLE TO SIT ON, TO WATCH, TO WATCH THE GAMES. RIGHT? THERE'S A LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES, BUT IT ALSO, IF WE COULD FILL IT WITH WATER, WOULD BE A GREAT RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY. I THINK IT SHOULD BE FOR KAYAKS AND CANOES. YEAH, PADDLE BOARDING AND WHATEVER. THE TOUGHEST MASTER PLAN ALSO HAS WATER IN THE FRONT. WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT. RIGHT. YOU DON'T REALLY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THE ONLY PLACE WE HAVE TO GET IN THE WATER IS, IS THE RIVER, RIGHT. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE GETTING IN MOVING WATER. YEAH. AND SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A, HAVE A, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE ONES IN BOISE ARE SO WELL USED WHEN THEY OWN THE ONES THEY'VE DEVELOPED ALONG THE GREENBELT. SPEAKING OF THAT, LET ME JUST ASK THEN, BECAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CAPTURE SOME OF THIS TO TAKE BACK TO DIRECTORS THE THE TOUGHEST PARK MASTER PLAN. WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ROUNDABOUT THIS SUMMER. WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO AN ICE SHEET SOON, BUT NOT BEFORE WE REPLACE, NOT UNTIL WE GET THE PARKS PLAN GOING AND GET A COUPLE OF BALL DIAMONDS SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? IS THAT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN FIRST. YEAH, I GUESS I CAN ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE MAYBE THIS HAS PASSED AND I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WHERE IT SITS. LIKE, IS THERE STILL DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO END UP LIKE, OR DO WE FEEL LIKE, NO, THE MASTER PLAN IS BAKED AND NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO PHASE IN THE PHASE IN DOING THE THE MASTER PLAN, IT IT CONTINUES TO CHANGE EVEN RIGHT NOW. THERE'S THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY. IT WOULD COME THROUGH SOFTBALL DRIVE AND THEN BE THIS ROUNDABOUT AT THE END. RIGHT NOW SEE HOW THEY HAVE THE THE EXTRA. THEY'VE MOVED THIS SO THEY'VE MOVED THIS ROAD. BUT IT WOULD BE THAT WE ARE STILL FOLLOWING THE MASTER PLAN TO BUILD OUT THE TRAIL SYSTEM AROUND THE TOP PIECE THAT WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR A WATER FEATURE IN PARK. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, IS WHAT PIECES OF THE MASTER PLAN. SO. SO I GUESS KNOWING THAT THERE ARE STILL SOME MOVING PARTS, PART OF ME IS HESITANT SAYING, WELL, LET'S GO, GO DO THIS ROUNDABOUT. IF WE FEEL LIKE THINGS ARE. THERE'S STILL ENOUGH MOVING PIECES THAT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY AND THEN BE LIKE, OH, I WISH WE DIDN'T DO THAT, BECAUSE NOW IT'S PREVENTING US FROM DOING WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO. NOW, IF WE'RE PAST THAT, I'M NOT TRYING TO STEP TO THE TABLE AND SAY SLOW THINGS DOWN. SO IF WE FEEL LIKE NO, BUT IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE ARE SOME MOVING PARTS, I WOULD PREFER DIRECTOR HOME THAT WE WE TIGHTEN UP THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE PARK, UPDATE IT AND COME. AND ALL OF US HAVE THE HEAD NOD OF LIKE, YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND THEN WE CAN START SPEND SOME MONEY, I THINK, WELL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SLOW IT DOWN IF I'M WELL. BUT I MEAN, YEAH, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW? WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONSULTANTS AND PEOPLE COMING IN AND 
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DIRECTING SOME OF THESE PLANS. AND YOU KNOW, THAT A PLAN EVEN LIKE RELOOK TWO YEARS LUCKY AND 50 TO $200,000. RIGHT. SO DO WE JUST COUNCIL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PLAN WITH STAFF INVOLVEMENT VERSUS GOING OUT? YES I WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY FOR CONSULTANT. YEAH. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL. AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD TO CLARIFY BECAUSE WHEN DIRECTOR HOME WATCHES THIS, HE MIGHT INTERPRET OUR COMMENTS AS A YEAH AS BECAUSE WHEN WE DO RELOOK AT THE MASTER PLANS, WE TYPICALLY DO GO THROUGH A CONSULTANT AND DO A DIFFERENT KIND OF PROCESS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS ON THE SAME PAGE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU 100% HAS BEEN RAISING MONEY FOR A NEW ENTRANCE, RIGHT? I MEAN SO SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE WOULD BE INVOLVEMENT OF MORE THAN JUST THE DILEMMA IS THE REASON YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THERE FOR A ROUNDABOUT IS YOU'VE GOT TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE PARK NOW. SO THE HOCKEY PEOPLE DROPPING OFF THAT ROUNDABOUT WAS TO DO THAT. AND IF YOU'RE COMING IN FROM THE OTHER SIDE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ROUNDABOUT TO TURN AROUND, BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN'T GO DOWN THE HILL LIKE, RIGHT, LIKE SO I THINK THE ROUNDABOUT MIGHT BE NEEDED EITHER WAY. I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT'S A GREAT QUESTION TO ASK PJ. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND. I JUST AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO SLOW THINGS DOWN BECAUSE I KNOW I'M AT THE TABLE. SO EVERYONE ELSE IS LIKE, NO, LET'S MOVE. AND I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN THIS GROUP. COMING BACK TO THE TABLE AND LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE. PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION, ASIDE FROM OUR GREENBELT. THIS IS OUR JEWEL, OUR SECOND JEWEL. OH FOR SURE. THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT CABIN IS THE ZOO CABIN AND THAT WHOLE AREA NEXT TO THE CANAL. IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL AREA. AND THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT DOING A SMALL MUSIC VENUE THERE WITH A WITH SEATING NEXT TO THAT CABIN. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS. I STILL WOULD FIGHT LIKE HELL TO PUT THAT LAKE BACK IN NEXT TO THE SOFTBALL FIELD OR SOMETHING. A DIAMOND IS THE SUNKEN DIAMOND THAT WAS THAT WAS A JEWEL. THAT WAS THE JEWEL OF OUR CITY. LIKE THERE WAS A LAKE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR. WHY DID IT GO AWAY? DO WE KNOW THERE WAS FOUR? THERE WAS FOUR SWIMMERS ITCH. THERE WAS. THERE WAS MORE DROWNINGS IN ONE SUMMER. SOMEBODY GOT IT THAT YEAR. HOW DEEP WAS IT? IT'S NOT VERY DEEP. WELL, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT. THAT'S WHY THERE'S A BURMA NOW AROUND RIGHT THROUGH THERE. I MEAN WE COULD BERM UP THE OTHER SIDE. WE DO HAVE A ROADWAY THAT THAT LEO LARSON THAT TAKES US TO THE NORTH LOOP. ON THE TOP OF THAT BERM, THERE WAS A LITTLE CANAL THAT RAN RIGHT THROUGH THERE THAT USED TO HAVE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CANAL, THE WATER. THERE'S A WHOLE ANGLE WHERE IT JUST FLIPPED IT. YEAH. AND IT WAS TOUGH AS IT WAS. HIS HOUSE OVERLOOKED THAT LAKE. SO HIS RANCH HOUSE WAS LIKE HE BUILT THE CANALS TO COME THERE. AND THEN HE BUILT HIS LAKE. AND IT WAS IT WAS A SOUTHERN. THAT'S AWESOME. OKAY. I KNEW THAT WOULD BE A VERY LONG PORTION OF OUR AFTERNOON, BUT 2026, THAT'S A BIG PLAN FOR PARKS. YEAH IT IS. YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT'LL ALL THERE'S NO WAY IT CAN BE ALL DONE IN HOUSE. THERE'S NO WAY THEY'VE GOT TO CONTRACT. SO FOR THE ALL FUNDED IT'S FUNDED THROUGH IT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE CIP. IT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE GREENBELT CIP, THE IMPACT FEES. THERE'S MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR SOME OF IT, LIKE THE ROAD. JUST BE REALLY MINDFUL AS AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS. WHAT A LIFT. AND THAT IT SOME OF IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONTRACTED OUT SITE PLANS. IRRIGATION JUST CAN'T ALL BE PARK STAFF. IT'S NO WAY CAN BECAUSE THEY YOU KNOW AND PLUS THERE WHAT AND TERRACE PARK. NO IT WAS ESQUIRE PARK IS ALSO GETTING THERE I MEAN ASIDE FROM LIKE ALL OF THIS NEW STUFF, THEY'RE ALSO MOVING THROUGH JUST THEIR REGULAR OLD REPLACEMENT OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. YEAH. 
          OKAY. BUT AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE GOT A PARK ZONE COMING THROUGH AND COMPLIANCE. SO HE'S GOT A LOT ON HIS PLATE. CAN WE MANAGE THROUGH THE JUST THE LAST 20 MINUTES? I HATE TO SHORT ANY OF THE OTHER PRIORITIES BECAUSE I THINK THAT THESE ARE STILL IMPORTANT AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO BRING THEM BACK. I THINK THAT THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING, THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE ON TO NEXT, ENSURE CAPITAL PLANS MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S IMPACT FEE STUDY. I THINK WE'RE THERE. WHEN WE WERE IN PLANNING AND ZONING 
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COMMISSION, WHEN WE HAD THAT DUAL MEETING, DALE STEUER SAID. THIS IS THE BEST IMPACT FEE STUDY HE'S EVER SEEN. AND THEN STANDARDIZED CAPITAL PLANNING EFFORTS AND FORMS. WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT I THINK I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CROSS OFF, ENSURE CAPITAL PLANS MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE IMPACT FEE STUDY. I'M SORRY I MISSED. DID YOU DID YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE RIVER PLAN YET? NOPE. OKAY. DID I MISS THE RIVER PARK? NO, IT'S FURTHER DOWN THAT SAME PAGE. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I HAD. ON THE BACK OF THE PAGE. IT'S ON THE LIGHT BLUE. OH, YEAH. THERE WAS ESTABLISHED THE PARK ZONE WITH STANDARDS. SO THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. THE SUSTAINABILITY OF RESOURCES. DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON CONTINUES TO LOOK AT RECYCLING. HE'S TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT DOING A JOINT COMPOST AREA. HE TALKS TO POCATELLO. YOU KNOW, POCATELLO BOUGHT AN OLD RECYCLING. I THINK ONE OF THEIR RECYCLING VENDORS QUIT AND POCATELLO BOUGHT IT. AND AND SO THEY'RE SO HE CONTINUES TO LOOK AT THOSE KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THEY COME FORWARD. THE RIGHT OF WAY. SMART LANDSCAPING AND ATTRACTIVE STREETSCAPES. IT GOT A LITTLE DIVERTED. THEY WERE LOOKING AT USING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND THE PLANS CAME BACK JUST INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE, 300 OR $400,000 TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT. MIGHT BE NICE BUT STILL HAVE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE TO IT. SO THE PLAN RIGHT NOW, MOVING FORWARD IS DIRECTOR HOLMES IS GOING TO THIS SUMMER ONCE AGAIN, BUT THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND MUNICIPAL SERVICES. TAKE THE STRIP OF YELLOWSTONE HIGHWAY IN FRONT OF PINECREST GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS JUST FILLED WITH RIVER ROCK. THERE'S THAT LIKE RIVER ROCK SWELL, AND THEN THERE'S ACTUALLY A PATH. YEP. BY TRYING TO PUT SOME IRRIGATION IN IT, THAT IS JUST THE DRIP IRRIGATION AND SOME TREES TO TRY AND SPRUCE THAT UP AND THEN HAVE COUNCIL LOOK AT IT AND BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, WE LIKE THIS KIND OF LANDSCAPING OR WE NEED SOME BOULDERS, OR WE NEED THIS RIVER ROCK TO BE BROKEN UP SOME WAY, AND THEN TRY AND USE THAT TO FIX SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NEAR THE POWER SUBSTATION. BUT LET DIRECTOR HOLMES HAVE THIS SUMMER TO ADD TREES. AND, AND THEN IT REALLY MAKES THIS THE WALKING PATH ALONG PINE CREST MORE DELIBERATE. YEAH. SO ARE THE TREES BETWEEN THE RIVER ROCK AND PINE CREST? IT'S IN THE RIVER ROCK. IT'S IN THE. SO THEY WOULD. YEAH. THEY WOULD PUT A DRIP LINE THROUGH THERE JUST TO TIE IT INTO THE GOLF COURSE SOMEHOW TO. IT DOESN'T TIE INTO THE GOLF COURSE. IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE FENCE, THE OUTSIDE FENCE OF THE GOLF COURSE. BUT I'M GOING TO SAY YOU COULD TIE INTO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. OH YES. YES, THEY'RE GOING TO TIE YOU GET THE SYSTEM. YES. SO IS THIS KIND OF PARTY STARTING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANT TO CREATE THESE SCAPES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO WE'RE TEST DRIVING SOME CONCEPTS HERE AND OKAY. AND WHERE WE'VE GOT A PLACE I MEAN IF WE WANTED TO TO HIT LIKE THE. OVERPASSES, IT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BRING IN ROCK INTO THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE ALREADY FINISHED. AND SO YOU CAN CONTRACT OUT A LOT OF GRASS MOWING FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. SO, SO LET'S START WITH, WITH THIS ONE STRIP. OKAY. YEP. AND AND THEN COUNCIL CAN COME OUT BECAUSE WHEN RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE PUTTING IN A WHOLE LOT OF RIVER ROCK. AND MAYBE THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU WOULD SAY, YOU GOT TO BREAK THAT UP WITH WHATEVER, BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE USING DRIP LINES AND NOT FULL IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. ANOTHER LOCATION WE THOUGHT COULD BE NEXT IS ALONG YELLOWSTONE WITH THE RAILROAD. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST SOME PRETTY BAD ENTRANCES INTO TOWN. YEAH, AROUND THE PANCARI. YEAH. 
          BRIDGE. YEAH. THE RAILROAD BRIDGE AT 17TH. YEAH. THAT'S SO AWFUL THERE. YEAH, YEAH. SO 
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WE'LL SO WE'LL. ARE YOU OKAY THAT WE JUST KEEP MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. YEAH. OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY. WHAT'S THAT RIVER PLAN. YES. NOT A LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON THE RIVER PLAN, BUT WE ARE ONLY IN FEBRUARY OF THIS. EVEN THOUGH WE TALKED ABOUT IT A YEAR AGO, IT'S ONLY MARCH OF 2026. THE RIVER PLAN IS GOING TO START PICKING UP SPEED, AND DIRECTOR HOLMES ALREADY HAS SOME SIGNAGE. WE'LL GET A COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT SAFETY, GETTING THE MOU WITH THE COUNTY ON PROTECTING THE THE RIVER. BUT IT IT HASN'T MOVED FORWARD. 
          OKAY. UNDER THE CURRENT WORK YOU COULD SAY SLIGHTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF GREENBELT. WE DO AND WE HAVE SOME MAINTENANCE MONEY FOR THAT. YOU SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN A NARRATIVE ON THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A GREENBELT CIP. NOW, WE DO HAVE A WE DO HAVE SIGNAGE THAT DIRECTOR HOLMES HAS PUT PUT TOGETHER THAT IS GOING TO THAT SHOWS DIFFERENT LOOPS AND SAYS, OH, IF YOU'RE AT THIS LOCATION AND YOU GO THIS, THIS LOOP, IT'S THE RED LOOP. AND THEN THERE'S A PURPLE LOOP. SO IT'S IT'S ALL GOING TO COME TOGETHER INTO ONE PLAN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE WRITTEN PLAN YET. AND THIS IS INTER-DEPARTMENTAL BECAUSE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE US AN OVERLAY KIND OF ALONG THE ZONE. 
          YES. IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BOISE HAS THE GATES FOR THE KAYAKING AND SURFING? THERE IS A COMPANY THAT WANTS TO COME AND DO THAT KIND OF OFF OF A NORTHERN TRIBUTARY, LIKE A CANAL. AND SO THAT WOULD BE JUST PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS, IS HOW TO HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAYBE SOME OF THESE RFPS. I ALSO, I REALLY LOVE THIS IDEA THAT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LET'S LET SOMEBODY COME IN AND SAY, WHAT CAN THEY DO ON THE RIVER INSTEAD OF GOING OUT FOR A PAYING FOR A CONSULTANT? RIGHT. YOU JUST PUT OUT AN RFP AND ALSO THE HERITAGE PARK. THAT'S A REALLY GREAT. KIND COVE. THAT ISLAND WE NEED TO DO WORK. 
          THERE WAS ALWAYS THE CONCEPT OF BRIDGE AND GET TO THAT ISLAND SO THAT YOU COULD GO FROM HERITAGE INTO THAT SPACE. THAT'S KIND OF PENINSULA LOOKING AT, OR THAT WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. I THINK WE COULD HAVE A BETTER FISHERY THROUGH THE CITY, TOO. YES. I MEAN, THERE THERE ARE FISH IN THE RIVER. PEOPLE CATCH FISH IN THE RIVER, BUT NOT LIKE A IT'S NOT LIKE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR KIDS DOWN THERE AND KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO CATCH A FISH KIND OF A FISHERY. THERE'S ALSO WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD BE COOL, THE FLY FISHING GROUPS HERE NEXT WEEKEND ARE 20TH AND 21ST. RIGHT. THE IDAHO AND OUR TWO TRIBUTARIES, WILLOW CREEK AND SAND CREEK. WE SHOULD MAKE THOSE BACK TO FULL TIME CREEKS. THE WILLOW CREEK IS LESS LIKELY KNOW ONE OF THEM IS LESS LIKELY JUST BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH IRRIGATION IS GOING ON. 
          BUT BUT THOSE ARE NATURAL. YEAH, THEY WERE HERE AND THEY WERE FULL TIME FISHERIES JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CREEK AROUND HERE. AND THEY'RE IN OUR CITY LIMITS. WOULD BE AMAZING TO GET THOSE RESTORED. BOISE'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF THAT. THERE'S ALL RESTORED. AND THEY PLANTED A MILLION TREES IN THEIR BOUNDARIES AROUND BOISE. OH, THEY WERE SEEDLINGS. SO THAT'S WHY THEY FIND SOMETHING. BUT BUT THOSE WATER, THOSE THOSE TRIBUTARIES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT AT THE RIVER AS ONCE AGAIN, HOLISTICALLY, I'M REALLY HOPING TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD AFTER JUNE. IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO REALLY MOVE THIS FORWARD BEFORE WE GET ALL THIS OTHER WORK DONE IN JUNE. IT FEELS LIKE IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. IT'S MARCH. YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, JOHN, THERE USED TO BE OVER AT THEY CALL IT BILLY'S FIRST STREET AND WOODRUFF TO THE EAST OF THAT, WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE SHOPPING CENTER. THERE USED TO BE A CAR WASH RIGHT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL THERE OR NOT. NEAR MEPPEN STREET, THEY CALL THAT HIDDEN VILLAGE, AND IT USED TO FLOOD QUITE OFTEN IN THE SPRING BECAUSE OF THE CREEK WOULD OVERFLOW THE FRENCH THROUGH THERE IN THE WINTER. THEY CUT THE WATER OFF INTO THAT CREEK NOW, BUT IT USED TO USED TO GET OVER ITS BANKS THERE AND FLOOD THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. REMEMBER THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FLOODED? THAT'S BLACK'S CREEK AND THAT'S. IS THAT CREEK. CROW CREEK? YEAH. SO SIMILAR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE IF WE DON'T FINISH THESE, WE'LL HAVE IT IN A WORK SESSION BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE SHORT CHANGE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, DO YOU WANT TO TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THAT WHERE YOU THINK, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE 
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HAVE DEVELOPED THE METRICS YET. WE DON'T HAVE THE METRICS. I JUST TALKED TO CHIEF JOHNSON ABOUT WHEN HE DOES THOSE BRIEFING THINGS, OR WHATEVER HE CALLS IT, ABOUT WHAT THE ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN. IF YOU COULD START THAT OUT WITH A LIST OF CONTACTS, ETC. DIRECTLY RELATED TO POLICING. COMMUNITY POLICING. AT THE TOP OF THAT, NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT DIRECTLY, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF MAKING CONTACT WITH THE LEADERS IN EACH SECTION OF THE CITY. THEY DO HAVE THE FOUR BEAT THING GOING NOW, AND I THINK WE'RE ON A TRACK THERE, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY LEAVE IT AS A PRIORITY TO KEEP IT GOING. IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER THREAT, I THINK, BASED ON SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE LEGISLATURE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY WORK ON THAT. DO YOU WANT TO JUST UPDATE COUNCIL REALLY QUICKLY ON WHAT THAT IS? WELL, THE LEGISLATURE IS GOT A BILL THAT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR SURE. BUT THERE IS THIS BILL THAT WOULD REQUIRE I DON'T FOLLOW POLICE TO MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH ICE. YES. AND IT'S A PRETTY DEVASTATING AGREEMENT, LIKE ROUTINE POLICING WOULD REQUIRE CHECKING OF IMMIGRATION STATUS. AND. THE OTHER ONE IS OBVIOUSLY ANYONE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD. YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO TYPES OF WARRANTS THAT ICE LOOKS AT. ONE IS JUDICIAL. THAT'S THERE'S SOME KIND OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. THE OTHER IS ADMINISTRATIVE. IT WOULD REQUIRE THE CITY TO BE INVOLVED IN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS. WE ONLY HAVE ACTION ON THE OTHER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ICE HAS BEEN USING. YEAH. YEAH. WHICH IS THE CIVIL. IT'S A CIVIL VIOLATION. THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT YOU. ACCORDING TO THE BILL, YOU HAVE TO SIGN ON TO ONE OF THOSE, BECAUSE THE THIRD OPTION IS THE JAIL WARRANT, BUT THAT'S BONNEVILLE COUNTY. WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. SO ICE GIVES THREE OPTIONS, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SIGN ONE OF THEM ACCORDING TO THE BILL. SO THAT COULD BE JUST TERRIBLE. 
          AND THE CONCEPT OF COMMUNITY POLICING IS TRUST IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT WORD IN GETTING THERE. AND JUST TO TAKE THE TIME WE HAVE SO FAR TO BUILD THE TRUST WE HAVE, AND PARTICULARLY EVEN SINCE THE ELECTION, IT'S INCREASED. IT WILL IT WILL BE TREMENDOUSLY DAMAGED IF THAT BILL COMES, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          SO IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? YEAH. WELL, I THINK THE DAMAGE IS BEING DONE EVEN WITHOUT THE BILL PASSING. OH, YEAH. YEAH. FOR SURE. WE HAVE THE TRUST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS RIGHT. WE WROTE IT TERRIFICALLY IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S HELPED THAT WE'VE. I MEAN, THIS IS A CLASSIC COMMUNITY POLICING IS THAT CAPTAIN MARVEL AND ANOTHER OFFICER HAVE GONE TO SUPER LA CALIENTE AND SPOKEN IN SPANISH ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE POLICE. 
          AND WHEN YOU THINK OF COMMUNITY POLICING, I WANT OUR POLICE. IF THERE'S A BIG ICE RAID, I WANT OUR POLICE TO DO THE TRAFFIC CONTROL BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW OUR TOWN. YEAH. AND I ALSO, IF THERE HAS TO BE CROWD CONTROL, I'D RATHER HAVE THE POLICE DO IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW SOPHISTICATED WAYS OF DOING IT WITHOUT HURTING PEOPLE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE LOSE. IT'S. IT'S JUST. IT'S SO BAD. CAPTAIN JOHN MARLEY HAS REALLY PICKED THIS UP FOR CALIFORNIA. HE REALLY HAS PICKED THIS UP. HE IS GOING HE HAS HIM. AND FIVE OTHER SPANISH SPEAKING OFFICERS ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO A BIG PUSH WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH, INCLUDING THEY'RE GOING TO DO A CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY THAT RUNS CONCURRENT TO THE CURRENT ONE IN SPANISH. YEAH. SO THEY HE REALLY RECOGNIZES THAT THAT IT'S THEY HAVE TO TO STAY PROACTIVE ON THIS. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT HE HAS THAT ARE REALLY ENGAGING IN OUTREACH. 
          I THINK THERE'S THE INITIATIVES THAT THEY'VE DONE TOWARD THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN WELL RECEIVED. AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY DID A KIND OF A SHIFT OF LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IN NOT TOO MANY MONTHS AGO. BUT CAPTAIN MARLEY. YES, JOHN. 
          NOT YES. CORRECT. DIDN'T MOVE BECAUSE HE LIKES WHAT HE'S DOING AND HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB. SO THEY LEFT HIM THERE AND. YEAH. YEAH, WE'RE HAVING I MEAN, THERE'S CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HAVING THE POLICE NIGHT OUT AT CENTRAL PARK INSTEAD OF THOMAS PARK, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED. YES. YEAH. CENTRALLY LOCATED. RIGHT. YEAH. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY WORKING ON THIS COMMUNITY POLICING. THEY REALLY ARE. I MEAN, IT DATES BACK TO THE CRISIS INTERVENTION DETECTIVE WORK AND THE THE CO-RESPONSE THINGS. WE'RE KIND OF LEADING EDGE AND TO BE PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE GOT. AND IT'LL BE JUST TO LOSE IT. BUT THERE'S MORE TO DO. 
          YEAH. ANYWAY, SORRY. NO, THAT'S. BUT I'D LEAVE IT AS A PRIORITY BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A LONG TERM 
          [03:45:08]
THING. CODE ENFORCEMENT. YES. CHIEF WOULD LIKE TO TAKE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFF OF HIS PRIORITIES. AND WHAT I SAID IS, WELL, I HAVE THIS DESIRE TO MAKE AN ATTRACTIVE, WELCOMING COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS INVOLVES CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO WHAT HAVE I MENTIONED THAT? AND HE SAID, WELL, OKAY, I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU TELL ME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TAKE IT OFF BECAUSE HE HAS SET UP NOW FOR OFFICERS AND THEY MATCH THE BEATS. AND WE DID. I DID HAVE A TALK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY ARE WILLING TO PRIORITIZE SIDEWALKS, CLEANING ON THE ARTERIALS AND THE SNOWSTORMS BECAUSE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CLEAR IT IN 48 HOURS. THIS JOHN RADFORD DESIRE. AND IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. AND THEY'VE GOT A PLAN TO PROACTIVELY HELP WITH THAT. MORE COMMUNITY POLICING SO WE CAN TAKE IT OFF IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S ONGOING. WELL HERE'S WHY I WOULD LEAVE IT ON OKAY PERSONALLY, BECAUSE MAYBE PATROL IS DOING A GOOD JOB IN OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GROUP IS DOING A GOOD JOB. BUT THIS IS WHERE I FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC WORKS SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT PIECE COMES IN AND THE PARKS AND REC, MAKING SURE THAT AT LEAST OUR LANDS ARE CLEAN AND ACCURATE. AND THAT'S WHY THE RIGHT OF WAY COMES INTO PLAY HERE. BECAUSE SOMETIMES OUR WEEDS GET TOO TALL. AND IF WE START NOTICING, LOOK, IT'S WE'RE THE REPEAT OFFENDERS. WE'VE GOT TO KNOCK DOWN THESE WEEDS AND, AND GET A BETTER STREET SCAPE. THAT FOR ME, IT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT BUT NOT NECESSARILY KEEPING IT IN THE POLICE. IT'S WHAT WE SAID ORIGINALLY. PARKS AND REC AND PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW CAN HELP. CAN HELP. YEAH. WITH I THINK THEY ARE TOO. YEAH I DO TOO. AND SO IT'S LIKE WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE WAYS. IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TEACHING THOUGH, BECAUSE SOMEBODY SEES SOMETHING THAT'S A ONE OFF KIND OF JUST FOR A FEW DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE KIND OF KNOW CAN WATCH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE. LIKE YOU'RE MOVING AND SO YOU HAVE STUFF ALL THROUGH YOUR FRONT YARD AND SOMEBODY DRIVES BY AND SAYS, OH, CALL IT IN. BUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE SAY, OH, WE KNOW THAT'S JUST FOR ONE DAY OR JUST TWO DAYS OR WHATEVER, IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY. BUT THEY KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE. THEY DO. SO THERE'S A LITTLE MORE SOPHISTICATION IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE THAN THERE ARE PEOPLE JUST DRIVING BY. AND THERE IS MORE TO THIS PRIORITY THAT WE GAVE, WHICH WAS DEVELOP MESSAGING TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY AWARE OF THE CITY'S STANDARDS. 
          YES. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. NOPE. WELL, THAT WOULD BE A STEP THEN, IF THEY GET ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE ARTERIALS AND THEY TELL THEM BEFORE THE SNOW SEASON STARTS WITH A WRITTEN NOTICE THAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR SIDEWALKS AS WELL AS YOUR PARKING LOTS. AND THAT'S THEIR PLAN RIGHT NOW. EVEN IF THEY JUST DID LIKE FOUR TIMES A YEAR, THEY CAME OUT WITH THE MESSAGE THAT'S SEASONALLY RELATED, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, LIKE ABOUT YOUR TREES. AND YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT YOUR SIDEWALK TREES ARE CUT ABOVE SUCH AND SUCH. 
          PUT IT IN THEIR UTILITY BILL. UTILITY BILL. NOBODY GETS UTILITY. WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I NEVER LOOKED AT IT. I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT A UTILITY BILL IN 15 YEARS. MAYBE. YEAH. 
          I GOT TO YOUR POINT. WE CAN FIND ANOTHER WAY. LET'S FIND ANOTHER WAY. BOISE HAS TREE CAPTAINS AND THAT TREE PROGRAM. THEY DID. AND THEY JUST GOT VOLUNTEERS, LIKE 200 VOLUNTEERS THAT GO AND TEACH ABOUT PRUNING TREES. YOU COULD DO NEIGHBORHOOD CAPTAINS AND TEACH THEM ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THEY JUST GO AROUND THEIR KIND AND COULD HELP, AND THEY COULD ORGANIZE HELP FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS INSTEAD OF, I GUARANTEE YOU, IF WE PUT OUT A TRAINING SESSION THAT SAID, WE NEED ONE PERSON PER WHATEVER, YOU WILL HAVE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD LOVE THAT ROLE. YEAH, THEY LIKE THAT. I GOT ABOUT 17 I TWO BLOCK RADIUS WHERE I LIVE. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO BE THE PERSON THAT KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR. SO I KIND OF THE YARD NAZI TOO. I NEVER TELL ANYBODY, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK ABOUT IT WHEN I WALK PAST LIKE I, I THINK I TRULY THINK YOU GET PEOPLE. I DO TOO. I DO, AND BOISE DID. THEY HAVE A REALLY THRIVING TREE CAPTAIN NETWORK. AND THEN IT WAS A SOCIAL THING. THERE'S LIKE 200 OF THEM. AND I THINK IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CODE CAPTAIN. YEAH, JUST IN NEIGHBORHOOD CODE. DON'T LIMIT IT. I MEAN, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND REC AND WALKABOUTS, LIKE, OKAY, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT OH, ZERO ZERO MINUTES. IT IS. I WAS LOOKING AT ONE MINUTE ON THE CLOCK. WE ARE AT ZERO MINUTES LEFT. WHEN CHIEF OLSON COMES, HE WILL START ON THE 16TH. WE STILL HAVE. WE TALKED A LOT IN HIS INTERVIEW ABOUT EXPLORING THE METRO AND REALLY GETTING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT. WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND THAT, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND A REGIONAL TRAINING CENTER. I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE STILL VERY VIABLE 
          [03:50:06]
AND SHOULD BE PRIORITIES FOR FIRE TO FOCUS ON. I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT I SAW THE IN THE BUDGET. YEAH, WE SHOULD GO BACK AT SOME POINT AND REALLY DISCUSS WHAT'S HAPPENING, BECAUSE THEY NEED NINE FIREFIGHTERS TO FILL THE STATION. THAT IS SIX. AND THE TRAINING CENTER, I MEAN, NOT THE TRAINING CENTER. I DON'T KNOW IF THE STORAGE FACILITY IS STILL EVEN FINANCIALLY VIABLE. IF, YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO. THERE'S JUST A LOT TO TALK ABOUT WITH POLICE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE WITH WITHOUT OUR CHIEF HERE. I THINK IT'S REALLY HARD TO TO TRY AND JUST ONE THING TO PRIORITIZE, JUST ONE THING TO ADD TO YOUR LIST OF POLICY, ORDINANCE WORK, THE TRAVEL POLICY P CARD VERSUS PER DIEM. WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT REVISITING THE MILEAGE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I THINK MANY OF US ON COUNCIL DIDN'T APPRECIATE THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A MILEAGE POLICY. IS IT PART OF THE TRAVEL POLICY? EARLY ON WHEN MICHELLE AND I CAME ON, YOU WOULD GET MILEAGE IF YOU DROVE TO BOISE. IT BASICALLY IT'S JUST LIKE YOUR STANDARD FEDERAL POLICIES. SO WE USED THE THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES. YEAH. WHY WOULDN'T YOU? YEAH, EXACTLY. BECAUSE THE IRS HAS DETERMINED THAT IT PUTS THAT MUCH DAMAGE ON YOUR CAR. RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE. OUR CAR. YEAH. OUR CURRENT POLICY IS THAT YOU USE A P GUARD FOR GAS AND AND GAS ONLY, OR YOU CAN USE THE VEHICLE OR YOU CAN WELL, NOT JUST CITY VEHICLE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE RENT YOU A VEHICLE. SO YOU WOULD CONTACT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THEY WOULD BOOK YOU A RENTAL. IT LITERALLY HAPPENED JUST BECAUSE OF INFLATION. IT WAS JUST TOO BIG OF A NUMBER. WHEN YOU GET $0.70 AND YOU DROVE TO BOISE BACK AND THOUGHT IT WOULD LOOK BAD. AND SHE'S NOT WRONG. I MEAN, BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD RELOOK AT THAT. 
          WE KNOW THAT THIS TRAVEL POLICY, THERE'S A REASON WHY IT'S THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST. IT'S BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME WORK. BUT I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE A RENTED VEHICLE BECAUSE I FEEL THEY'RE DANGEROUS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SIGNALS ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE. IT'S LIKE ALL OF THESE BUTTONS THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. I WOULD TAKE MY CAR FOR SAFETY REASONS EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. SO IT IS WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ONE. YEAH. I MEAN, IF THERE ARE NO MORE ANNOUNCEMENTS, WE'VE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION, BUT I AM READY TO. YEAH. 4:00
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