Feb 09, 2026 City Council Work Session

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

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CITY CLERK. WILL YOU ESTABLISH OUR QUORUM? AND I HAVE JUST TEXTED COUNCILOR LEE TO SEE WHERE HE IS.

THANK YOU. I JUST COUNCIL I JUST SAW HIM IN THE HALL.

NO. OH, I HAD A DIFFERENT MEETING 20 MINUTES AGO.

OKAY. COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD.

HERE. COUNCILOR. DINGMAN. YES. HERE, COUNCILOR.

FREEMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR. LARSON, HERE. COUNCILOR.

LEE UNMARK AS ABSENT AND AMEND AS HE ARRIVES.

OKAY, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN WITH KIND OF A NEW FORMAT, AS WE HAVE

[City Council, Mayor]

LEE HAS JOINED US. GOOD, GOOD. AND WHAT I WAS THINKING OF JUST STARTING WITH OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND WORKING AROUND THE WORKING AROUND THE ROOM. BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE.

THIS IS AN OPEN DISCUSSION. I'M NOT GOING TO MODERATE THAT DISCUSSION.

SO, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS IS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, AND FREEMAN WANTS TO LIKE THIS IS NOT YOU KNOW, I HAVE A COMMENT TO MAKE LIKE THIS IS OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

AND THEN IF I HAVE SOMETHING TO WEIGH IN LIKE, OH, THAT'S ALREADY ON THE PLAN, THEN WE'LL JUST IT'S THIS FREE, FREE FLOWING DISCUSSION. SO COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, SO ONE OF THE THINGS I GOT WORKING ON RIGHT AWAY.

I THINK IS THE. CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER? SORRY. ONE OF THE THINGS I GOT WORKING ON RIGHT AWAY IS MODIFYING OUR ALCOHOL ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT.

WE HAVE ACTUALLY REFERENCED IN FOUR PLACES IN OUR ORDINANCES.

WE THINK WITH THE CITY CLERK'S HELP, WE CAN NARROW THAT TO ONE BASIC ALCOHOL ORDINANCE.

BUT IMMEDIATELY, IN TALKING TO THE PD, THEY HAVE NOW, SERGEANT BRANDON NORMAN IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY TO WORK ON ALCOHOL IMPROVEMENT AND HAS FOUND A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN BOISE THAT ARE VERY USEFUL IN THAT DIRECTION. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IN THE COMMITTEE THAT HE PUT TOGETHER, WE MET LAST WEEK BRIEFLY, WAS THE IDEA OF REQUIRING TRAINING FOR PEOPLE THAT SERVE OR BARTENDERS WHO SERVE ALCOHOL. AND IT'S IT IS A TWO HOUR COURSE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN PUT TOGETHER.

BUT THERE ARE ONLINE PROGRAMS ALSO. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL COUNCIL MEMBERS DAMON AND I WILL WORK WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PUT THAT TOGETHER SOME LANGUAGE, AND WE'RE HOPING WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU EARLY IN MARCH, MAYBE MARCH, THEN MARCH 9TH WORK SESSION TO LOOK AT.

I WOULD JUST ADD ON THE TRAINING, JUST HAVING HIRED SO MANY PEOPLE THROUGH FOOD SERVICE, PLEASE, ONLINE SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT OPTION BECAUSE THE FLATTENING OF TIME AND NOT HAVING TO WAIT FOR A WEEK WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO HIRE SOMEONE FOR ONE, WE AGREE. YEAH, YEAH. AND THERE ARE THERE ARE PROGRAMS ONLINE THAT PEOPLE CAN DO THAT THE POLICE CAN CERTIFY THAT THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S A KEY POINT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS CAN HAPPEN, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER LEE AND I TALKED TO CHIEF JOHNSON TODAY ABOUT THE IDEA.

MAYBE WE NEED AT LEAST A DISCUSSION, NOT AN ACTION ITEM, NECESSARILY, ABOUT HOW LICENSE PLATE READERS ARE USED IN THE CITY.

THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT IT RECORDS AND WHAT IT DOESN'T AND HOW IT'S USED.

AND I THINK IF WE MAKE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF THAT AT SOME POINT GOING FORWARD, IT WOULD HELP THE PUBLIC RECORD.

NO, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKED ABOUT IT A NUMBER OF TIMES.

YEAH. AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS. YEAH.

SO I THINK THAT IF WE JUST CLARIFY IT IN THE WORK SESSION, IT MIGHT BE ENOUGH.

I DON'T THINK WE DON'T USUALLY VOTE ON POLICE MANUAL POLICIES LIKE THAT.

SO, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO HOW IT'S BEING USED IN THE CITY.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A MUCH BROADER DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF PRIVACY ISSUE NOT COMING TO THIS BODY,

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MAYOR, I NEED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL OF THOSE ONLINE.

WE'RE AWARE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A VIDEO FEED RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO HAVE A SOUND FEED, SO THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO HEAR US NOW, BUT WE DON'T FOR SOME REASON. WE DON'T HAVE VIDEO.

SO THAT CAMERA OR THAT TV RIGHT THERE, IN CASE YOU GUYS DIDN'T KNOW, THIS IS THE LIVE FEED VIEW.

SO IF THAT'S NOT SHOWING US, WE'RE NOT BROADCASTING THE VIEW.

SO I'M WORKING WITH THE COMPANY THAT DOES OUR VIDEOING RIGHT NOW TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE DON'T HAVE VIDEO.

WE JUST HAVE SOUND. YES. AND THE LIGHT IS GREEN ON THE CAMERA.

YEAH. SO. YES. SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG THINGS I GOT RIGHT NOW.

AND YOU MENTIONED, COUNSELOR, THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MARCH 9TH TO BRING FORWARD THE ALCOHOL, THE DOES THIS OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL LIKE THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE FLOCK CAMERAS? EARLIER OR LATER? I MEAN, MARCH 9TH IS GETTING FILLED UP.

IS IT FINE TO PUSH THOSE BACK INTO APRIL? ARE WE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HURRY AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. OKAY, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT. OKAY. I ALSO THINK THE ALCOHOL NEEDS I THINK IN THE SAME WAY WE HAVE A WATER ATTORNEY.

LIQUOR LAW SEEMS AS COMPLEX. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR.

I MEAN, I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU THINK THAT WE HAVE THE IN-HOUSE CAPABILITY TO REWRITE LIQUOR ORDINANCES WITH THE STATE LAW, OR IF WE NEED AN OUTSIDE FIRM WITH THAT EXPERTISE, LET'S SEE HOW AS MY OFFICE WORKS.

WE JUST GOT A FOURTH ATTORNEY, WHICH IS GOING TO GIVE US MORE BANDWIDTH TO DO RESEARCH PROJECTS LIKE THAT.

SO BUT IF I GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE, YEAH, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S OUTSIDE OUR EXPERTISE AND THEY'RE NOT, THE ONLY REASON I ASK THAT IS WHEN I SPOKE TO MY FRIENDS AND SIBLINGS THAT ARE ATTORNEYS, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE OUTSOURCE ALL THAT. LIKE WE DON'T WE DON'T TRY TO GET INTO IT.

THIS IS THEY MENTIONED IT'S LIKE WATER. IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN SPEND A CAREER A WHOLE CAREER AT.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE FOR ME, IT SEEMED LIKE THE EASY BUTTON WOULD BE TO JUST GET RID OF THAT ONE THAT SAID THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BRING THEIR APPEAL FROM CDS TO THIS BODY TO MAKE A DECISION ON.

BUT IT ACTUALLY FROM THAT CONVERSATION, IT FELT LIKE IT COULD ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF IN ONE, RATHER THAN TRYING PIECEMEAL THEM ALL OUT. WE COULD JUST TRY AND TAKE CARE OF IT ALL.

YEAH, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE. LET US AT LEAST HAVE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH THE ATTORNEY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK OUT AND SEE HOW COMPLICATED IT'S GOING TO BE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS TO CHANGE AND THAT CAN COME ALL AT ONCE.

OKAY. WHAT IS THAT? IT'S WHERE WE HAVE ORIGINAL JURISDICTION ON ONE KIND OF LICENSING.

SO TO CLARIFY, FOR COUNCILOR RADFORD, OUR ISSUE ISN'T NECESSARILY IN OUR CODE MATCHING THE STATE CODE.

OUR ISSUE IS IN OUR CODE NOT MATCHING OUR OWN CODE.

WHICH IS WHAT COUNCILOR FRANCIS AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON.

WELL, I WAS WORKING WITH MIKE FOR MONTHS. COUNCILOR FRANCIS AND I ARE NOW WORKING ON IT TOGETHER TO COMBINE THE THREE SEPARATE ALCOHOL ORDINANCES INTO ONE, LIKE HE SAID, BUT ALSO SIMPLIFY THE TERMS SO THAT THEY'RE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO. REINVENT THE WHEEL. WE'RE SIMPLY JUST TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THE TERMS SO THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO UNDERSTAND THE RULES FOR ALCOHOL CAN. OKAY. AND THE LAW TERMS ARE SOMETIMES THE MOST COMPLICATED THING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STATE.

AND DOES THE COUNTY ALSO HAVE SEPARATE LIQUOR LAWS? RIGHT. SO IT'S PRETTY COMPLICATED. AGREED. I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

OKAY. SO THE PLAN IS TO TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD MARCH 9TH.

UNLESS THAT UNLESS IT WON'T BE THE COMPREHENSIVE.

NO. SURE. BUT PART OF THAT. BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE FOUND AND SERGEANT NORMAN FOUND IS OVERPOURING IS THE ROOT OF A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT SPIN OUT FROM THE EVENT CENTERS AND FROM THE BARS.

AND SO THIS IS IF WE MOVE QUICKLY ON THAT WE CAN HELP TO PREVENT THAT.

IF PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO BE SERVERS OKAY. AND I'M ALSO BIG ON ITERATION, SO GET STARTED.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER LEE, ANYTHING TO BRING FORWARD THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS TO SEE IN A FUTURE WORK SESSION? NOT AT THIS TIME, COUNCILOR BRADFORD. OH, YOU'RE PULLING UP A LIST?

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AND YOU TALK ABOUT COMING BACK TO CUSP AND SEEING WHAT THINGS THE COMMUNITY HAS DONE OR NOT DONE OR THE CITY.

WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT TOO. BUT THE OTHER THINGS ON THERE.

SO MY TWO POINTS ON CUSP AND IMAGINE IF THEY WERE REALLY WELL DONE IN TERMS OF, HEY, WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE EASY AND INEXPENSIVE OR NOT HIGH COST, AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE ALONG WITH OUR PRIORITIES THAT WE WORKED ON ON THOSE BUDGET SESSIONS.

YES. SEE WHERE THOSE ARE ALIGNED AND THEN SEE WHAT WE'RE MISSING.

AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT WE'VE JUST LOST THE CUSTOM PIECE.

AND SO MANY PEOPLE WORK REALLY HARD. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HONOR THEIR COMMITMENT.

AND I HAD A CONVERSATION COUNCILOR RADFORD, THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE OKAY WITH ENL BECAUSE THEY WERE REALLY THE INSTIGATORS OF IT, AND THEY ARE NO LONGER USING ANYTHING FROM CUS EVEN TO DETERMINE ANY OF THEIR FUNDING, ANY OF THEIR GRANTS.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ANY KIND OF A GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR THEM.

BUT I AGREE THAT THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT IT IN THE SENSE THAT I KNOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THEY ACTUALLY CHECKED EVERYTHING OFF THE LIST.

I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE.

AND I JUST THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WAS THE SPEED LIMITS AND THE SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE BIKE LANES AND ALL THOSE THINGS WERE REALLY WELL WORKED ON AND RESEARCHED BY THAT GROUP.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SITTING THERE BECAUSE THESE KIND OF THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE.

YEAH. SO THIS IS I'M GRATEFUL FOR THIS OVERLAY ZONE FOR THE TO KIND OF DEAL WITH SOME OF OUR APARTMENT CONCERNS.

SO I'M INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OVERLAY ZONES SO THAT WE CAN WE COULD HAVE BROADER CONVERSATIONS, LIKE HAVING TWO STORY OR THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU DID AN OVERLAY ZONE FOR ALL BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OVER SIX UNITS, THEN YOU COULD THEN DICTATE NO TWO STORIES NEXT TO IN A, IN A IN THE ZONES THAT ARE MORE ABOUT THE FORM BASED CODE SO THAT LIKE CITIES LIKE WHAT'S THE CITY IN WASHINGTON? IT'S THE CHRISTMAS CITY THAT LEAVENWORTH.

THOSE ARE ALL FORM BASED JACKSON HOLE, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT THAT FOR OUR CITY AND OUR HOUSES OR OUR BUSINESSES.

BUT AFTER THE ELECTION AND HOW PEOPLE FELT ABOUT HOW APARTMENTS LOOKED AND HOW THEY WERE NEXT TO THEIR LIKE, WE COULD DEAL WITH SOME OF THAT WITH AN OVERLAY ZONE BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO PROTECT ANY INTEREST.

YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE HAVING AN EQUAL APPROACH TO IT.

85TH PERCENTILE SPEED IMPLEMENTATION SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LOT MORE ABOUT.

I'VE HAD CITIZENS ASKING ME ABOUT THAT, THAT IT'S KIND OF A RACE TO THE BOTTOM AND NOT BASED ON SOUND SCIENCE AT THIS POINT, THAT IT WAS KIND OF IT WAS JUST BASED ON HOW FAST PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY DRIVING.

YEAH. AND IF THAT'S IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SAFETY AS OPPOSED TO JUST CARS AND JUST IN GENERAL, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE CARS MAKING ALL THE DECISIONS.

OK FACE AND EXPANDING TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS JUST ON THE LIST.

PARKING MINIMUMS. JUST SO MANY PROJECTS ARE KILLED BECAUSE PARKING MINIMUMS AREN'T MET.

SO DOWNTOWNS ARE DESTROYED TO BUILD PARKING LOTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOUR PARKING SPOTS FOR EVERY.

AND THEN I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE PICTURES OF OUR OWN OLD DOWNTOWN.

RIGHT NEXT TO GREAT HARVEST WAS A MOVIE THEATER.

AND NOW THERE'S A PARKING LOT. LIKE, IT'D BE FUN TO HAVE ANOTHER WILLARD ARTS CENTER THAT IS.

NOW IT WAS TORN DOWN FOR PARKING. PUDS AND COMING, GETTING PUDS INTO THE ORDINANCE SO THAT THE THINGS THAT WE, WE MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR, FOR PUDS ARE ACTUALLY THINGS WE CAN JUST DO INSIDE OUR ORDINANCES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THE FREEDOMS THAT DEVELOPERS WANT, AS LONG AS WE CAN DO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND HAVE THE AGREEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT SUNSET CLAUSES. I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT MISSED OPPORTUNITIES IN THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT WAS THAT WE HAD AMAZING SEPARATION OF POWERS.

WE HAD AMAZING OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT US.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC ABOUT THIS NEXT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL VERSUS COUNTY VERSUS CITIES, BUT SUNSET.

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I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME SUNSET CLAUSES IN OUR ORDINANCES SO THAT IN FOUR YEARS OR TWO YEARS WE COME BACK AND SEE IF IT HAVE THE INTENDED EFFECT.

OR WAS IT SO OFTEN LIKE THE ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE THAT'S NOW UNDER ATTACK BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE? WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DATA. WE DIDN'T. DID IT HELP ANYONE? DID IT NOT HELP ANYONE? DO WE CARE IF IT GOES AWAY? ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH IT? YEAH. ARE THERE THEIR ISSUES. HAVE WE MADE PROBLEMS? WHEN I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES THAT YOU WOULD JUST ASSUME THEY HAD SOME INTERESTING POINTS THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT I WAS LIKE, OH, MAYBE WE COULD RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

SO IT'S JUST SUNSETTING THINGS. JUST LIKE THE IMPACT FEE FORCES US EVERY FIVE YEARS TO GO LOOK AT THIS.

I JUST WOULD LOVE TO SEE US DO THAT MORE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DATA THAT COMES BACK AND HELPS US INFORM OUR DECISIONS.

THAT WAS MY LIST. I'LL HAVE MORE. I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT CAME TO MIND WITH YOUR SUNSET CLAUSES.

ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC FOR ON ORDINANCES? ON MOSTLY ORDINANCES, MOSTLY ORDINANCES, NOT NECESSARILY ON LAND USE OR.

OKAY. ALTHOUGH. OH, THAT'S THE OTHER LAND USE.

HAVING MEETINGS A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR WHERE WE LOOK BACK AT WHAT OUR DECISIONS WERE TO SEE IF WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT, TO SEE IF WE'RE ACTUALLY SENDING THE MESSAGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES AND TO THE BUILDERS THAT WE SHOULD BE. AND THEN I WOULD LOVE TO AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE TO HAVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEET WITH US WHEN WE DO THAT, SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME CONTINUITY.

I WILL SAY THAT OUR ON THE 23RD OF FEBRUARY IS A COMBINED MEETING WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AS WE TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE AND PUDS. SO THAT IS ON THE IT'S THE CALENDAR.

IT'S BEEN IT'S NOTICED THAT WE WILL HAVE A COMBINED MEETING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH.

THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS THE LIAISON SYSTEM.

IT'S ALREADY ON YOUR AGENDA, I THINK, AND I KNOW THAT I HAVE AN ASSIGNMENT TO KIND OF HELP TEACH WHAT THE COMMITTEE SYSTEM WAS SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A BROADER VIEW OF WHAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING, OR SOME HYBRID OF ALL OF THAT. OKAY.

THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BRADFORD. COUNCILOR LARSON.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO A KIND OF PUT AN AMEN ON THE OVERLAY ZONE CONCEPT THAT JOHN TALKED ABOUT. I'VE HAD FEEDBACK FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS FULL TIME HAVE BEEN AROUND ON THIS THIS ASSIGNMENT ABOUT BACKING UP TWO AND THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY.

AND AT FIRST, I WASN'T SURE. I THOUGHT THERE WAS REALLY MUCH I COULD DO, BUT THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, THE MORE I TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT. I SEE THEIR CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING AND HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT APARTMENTS LOOKING DOWN THEIR BACKYARD? WELL, I DON'T THINK I MEAN, I'M JUST SPEAKING FROM WE WE TRANSITIONED THOSE, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE HAVE WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND STUFF AND WE'VE GOTTEN DOWN TO TWO LEVELS. YES.

BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP THE ANGER. YES. THE ONE AT APPLE.

AND I ALSO JUST THINK THAT IT JUST WOULD WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THEY WEREN'T.

EVEN THOUGH THE HOUSE NEXT TO THEM CAN BE TWO STORIES, THAT'S THE PART THAT I.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THE OVERLAY IS COMING UP TO, IS IF YOU HAVE ARE ONE AND YEAH.

BUT THIS IS WHY IT'S A GOOD IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

AND DON'T KILL IT HERE. RIGHT. LET'S HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HERE BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE THOUGHTS ON JUST WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I'VE COME UP WITH. YEAH, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY I SUPPORT BRINGING THAT UP, BRINGING THAT, DOING AN EXTENDED CONVERSATION.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS YES. JUST TO PICK UP ON THAT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES THAT I THINK THAT IDEA OF CDS HAVING AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE INSTEAD OF THE IDAHO THING IS, I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF CITIZENS CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO THAT VERY PROBLEM, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET ON THE TABLE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF I'M LOOKING FOR. I THINK THAT LISTENING TO SOME OF THE COMMUNITY THAT'S LIVING WITH THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DID THIS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.

THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE NEED TO HEAR AT THE STAFF AND COUNCIL LEVEL.

AND THAT'S WHY AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I THINK I'M AN ADVOCATE BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT DOING SMART GROWTH.

MANAGE GROWTH. TO ME, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT FALLS UNDERNEATH THAT.

YEAH. AND I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWN EXPERTISE AMONG PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IT.

SORRY. AND THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO JUST PUT AN ARM IN ON AND NOT GET IN TOO DEEPLY IS THE IDEA OF PODS.

I THINK WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT I WAS I WAS SUPPOSED TO LIKE ABOUT PODS AND AND I STARTED TO SEE SOME, SOME TIMES WHEN I THINK THEY HAVE MERIT.

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MAYBE THEY HAVE A SHOT AT, AND MAYBE THEY'RE WASTING THEIR TIME HOPING TO GET.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING A CONVERSATION AROUND IT.

I THINK IT'S THAT KIND OF ON THE PLAN FOR THURSDAY.

I MEAN, YEAH, FOR NEXT, OUR NEXT WORK SESSION.

SORRY, I DID MULTI-ZONE ZONING MORE SPREAD. THE SINGLE USE ZONING IS SOMETHING.

I'M JUST IT FEELS LIKE IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO OUR CAR TRIP PROBLEM.

WHEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A STORE AT THE CORNER TO GO GET YOUR EGGS OR YOUR MILK.

YOU HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE. SO WE'RE AT 400 000 DAY TRIPS EVERY DAY, AND WE WERE BUILT FOR MUCH SMALLER THAN THAT.

SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP BRING MULTI-USE ZONING BACK INTO NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A BODEGA ON THE CORNER OR A COFFEE SHOP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO MILES TO MEET YOUR FRIEND FOR COFFEE OR ICE. I GREW UP ON 13TH STREET BLOCK.

THERE WERE FOUR GROCERY STORES, LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORES WITHIN THREE BLOCKS OF MY HOUSE.

AND WE THAT WAS A GOOD WAY TO LIVE. YOUR MOM COULD SEND YOU DOWN TO GET FLOUR AND CAKE.

PLEASE HELP. JIMMY. A PACK OF CIGARETTES. AND THEN SHE'D SIGN A NOTE.

YEAH. I MEAN, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE AS THOSE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS PART OF THAT ZONING.

COUNCILOR FREEMAN. I JUST THIS IS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OFF.

OFF THE TRACK. BUT I JUST WANTED YOUR CONSIDERATION ABOUT IT.

WE TALKED TODAY ABOUT HAVING THE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED, BUT THEY TORE OUT ALL THE TREES IN THE ISLAND IN FRONT OF COMMUNITY PARK.

I'VE WONDERED ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST WEEK. BECAUSE THEY WERE THE WRONG TREES IN THE WRONG PLACE, THEY WERE PUT IN BY THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS TASKED WITH IMPROVING THAT STREET, AND AND THE FORESTER WAS NEVER CONSULTED ABOUT IT.

AND SO THEY DECIDED TO TAKE THEM OUT. THEY'RE STILL ALIVE.

THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN THE IN THE NURSERY AND KEEP THEM ALIVE AND SEE IF THEY CAN FIND A PLACE TO USE THEM.

BUT THEY'RE TALLER, SKINNIER TREES. AND THEY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE TREES THAT HAVE A CANOPY TO KEEP THE STREET COOLER AND STUFF.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE ALL THOSE TREES WITH, WITH DIFFERENT TREES.

AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TOLD THE DEVELOPER HE HAD TO PUT IN SO MANY TREES, BUT WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T EVER SPECIFY WHAT KIND OF TREES THEY HAD TO PUT IN.

AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE OUR FORESTER INVOLVED IN THOSE DECISIONS AND HAVE HIM SIGN OFF ON IT.

ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE TURNS WITH ALL OF THAT VEGETATION IN THOSE ISLANDS TO SEE, TO SEE. WELL, IF YOU DID A TREE WITH A TALLER CANOPY THAT WASN'T ON THE GROUND, THAT WOULD EASE THAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE TREES THAT ARE UP FURTHER ON 25TH STREET IN THE ROCK ESTABLISHED THE ROCK AROUND IT.

YES, YES. YEAH. I'VE NOTICED THOSE WERE GONE TOO.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD BE PUBLIC WORKS AND THE FORESTER SHOULD SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHIME IN.

I KNOW, AND I KNOW WE'VE MADE A LOT OF NOISE ABOUT SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS, RIGHT? ALL THIS IS GOING TO DO. THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER STEP THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO GO THROUGH. BUT IT'S AN EASY WE CAN ADD THEM IN CITYWORKS AND IT'S AN EASY REVIEW.

ACTUALLY IT DOESN'T SLOW US DOWN AT ALL. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WE JUST HAVE A LITTLE MORE PLANS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO SUBMIT. SORRY IF I'M INTERJECTING. NO, NO, THIS IS GOOD. THE OTHER THING THAT'S BEEN ON MY MIND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO REVISIT IT.

IS THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. WE HAVEN'T HAD AN EYE ON IT FOR EVER, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN 4 OR 5 YEARS AT LEAST, SINCE I'VE EVEN LOOKED AT IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE INTERESTING. IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED, WHAT WE'RE STILL PLANNING TO ACCOMPLISH. DO WE STILL WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? RIGHT? SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN LISTED AS COUNCIL PRIORITIES, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME, UPDATES AND ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE DO GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

THIS KIND OF COMES BACK TO JOHN'S IDEA ABOUT SUNSETTING STUFF. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T JUST LEAVE THEM ON THE SHELF.

WE NEED TO GET THEM DOWN ONCE IN A WHILE AND DUST THEM OFF AND SEE IF WE'RE ACTUALLY STICKING TO THE PLAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SANDY DOWN PLAN AND THE TOUGHEST PARK PLAN THAT ARE PRETTY NEW, TOO.

BUT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FROM THE LIBRARY.

WE HAD OUR FEBRUARY MEETING THIS LAST WEEK. AND THE DEVELOPERS, WHO NOW OWN WHAT IS FORMALLY KNOWN AS THE FARRELL'S BUILDING ON BROADWAY. THEY SENT THEIR ARCHITECTURE TEAM OUT TO CHAT WITH THE LIBRARY ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING AN UNDERGROUND PARKING FACILITY

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WHICH WHICH, BY THE WAY, I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE I, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO TO FIRST FIND OUT IF THE LIBRARY IS EVEN INTERESTED.

RIGHT. SO IN PURSUING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THERE WERE DEFINITELY A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

IS THIS UNDERGROUND PARKING THAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO THE FERALS PROPERTY OR UNDERGROUND PARKING? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THEY DON'T HAVE A THEY'VE NOT SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THE PLANS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO INVEST IF THE CITY IS NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING A CONVERSATION. YEAH. SO THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL, IF YOU KNOW, WHERE THE LIBRARY BOOK DRIVE THROUGH IS ON THE SIDE THAT YOU WOULD ENTER THE NOT ACCESS BROADWAY. WELL, THEY TALKED ABOUT BOTH ACCESS OFF BROADWAY AND ACCESS POINT, KIND OF RIGHT PAST WHERE THE LIBRARY DRIVE THROUGH PART IS.

BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO INVEST ANY DEVELOPMENT PLANS IF HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THEM. BUT THERE THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF MUCH NEEDED CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW AND WHO WOULD OPERATE THE PARKING GARAGE AND HOW IT WOULD WORK.

THEY THEY SEE IT AS BOTH PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TENANTS THAT WOULD BE INSIDE THAT BUILDING, WHICH THEY ARE PROPOSING AS A MULTI-USE FACILITY WITH RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM AND APARTMENTS ON THE TOP, THAT SOME OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE USED FOR THOSE TENANTS, AND THERE WOULD BE SOME OTHER PUBLIC PARKING AS WELL IN THERE, BUT POTENTIALLY A PLAYGROUND ON TOP. WOW, WE'RE JUST DREAMING IN THIS MEETING BIG, YOU KNOW, WHICH I APPRECIATE. SO WHAT DID THE LIBRARY BOARD THINK OF THIS? THEY DIDN'T ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT THEY DID SIGN OFF ON A LETTER OF SUPPORT. OKAY.

SO OKAY, SO THE LETTER THEY SIGNED AND SENT TO CDS TOGETHER.

OKAY. PUTTING IT TOGETHER RIGHT NOW. I DON'T I DON'T I DOUBT YOU'VE GOT IT YET.

NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. YEAH. THERE WAS SOMEONE THERE TASKED WITH WRITING IT UP.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ONE READY OR ANYTHING, SO. BUT AND BASICALLY IT WAS KIND OF A THE LETTER IS REALLY MEANT TO SAY, YES, WE SUPPORT EXPLORING THIS FURTHER. THAT'S NOT A YES.

WE THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. YES. WE SUPPORT IT FULLY.

IT'S A YES. WE WE SUPPORT LOOKING INTO THIS FURTHER AND WHO IS GOING TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER, CDS OR THE DEVELOPER. WELL, I THINK I THINK THAT THE NEXT TRIGGER POINT WOULD PROBABLY BE CDS.

HONESTLY TELLING THE DEVELOPER WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE, AND THEN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY.

SO YOU THEN HAVE TO BEGIN THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO SEE IF WE'RE EVEN INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT.

IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, IF WE DO OWN A FACILITY LIKE THIS, HOW DO WE MANAGE LOITERING AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT SIDE AND THE STRUCTURE.

SO THERE'S A LOT TO PURSUE FROM HERE. IT'S INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

DID THE DEVELOPER TALK? THEY WERE GOING TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.

OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE I JUST DIDN'T THINK IT IT DOES NOT LEND ITSELF RIGHT NOW TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING IT.

OKAY. I THINK IT'D BE FUN IF THEY CONNECTED IT TO THE UNDERGROUND NETWORK.

AND GET THEM ALL DOWNTOWN FROM THE PARKING. LOT? YEAH. GUYS TALKING ABOUT UNDERGROUND PARKING, A PLAYGROUND.

SO, I MEAN, YEAH, THAT UNDERGROUND SYSTEM. SO WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? COUNCIL TO SAY. WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT. OR WE WERE COUNCIL WAS NOT MENTIONED.

WE WERE NOT MENTIONED. THEY JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET. SO AND THEN I DID RESPOND TO AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO COUNCIL TODAY THAT WAS SENT BY COLORADO HUMANE REGARDING SENATE BILL 1241 THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE AGRICULTURAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE REFERRING WHAT THEY CALL PROTECTIONS OF WORKING ANIMALS.

IT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY SHORT ACT HERE. BUT I THINK THE INTENTION OF THIS BILL IS TO ALLOW FOR DOGS THAT WORK IN AGRICULTURAL SETTING TO BE PROTECTED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

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BUT COLORADO HUMANE, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE ANIMAL WELFARE ORGANIZATION.

IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO ASPCA AND MADDIE'S FUND, BUT THESE ARE BIG NAMES AND BEST FRIENDS NETWORK.

THEY DO BRING UP THAT BECAUSE THIS BILL IS SO VAGUE, YOU COULD EASILY SAY THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BACKYARD BREEDING A BREED THAT THEY CLAIM THAT THEY MIGHT SAY COULD BE IN A WORKING FUNCTION NOW THEY CAN SELL IN ANY CITY PROPERTY BECAUSE THE THE CRUX OF THIS BILL IS THAT NO, NO COUNTY, MUNICIPALITY, STATE AGENCY OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION SHALL ENACT OR ENFORCE ANY ORDINANCE, REGULATION OR RULE THAT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN STATE LAW THAT TERMINATES, BANS OR EFFECTIVELY BANS BY CREATING AN UNDUE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP AKA THINGS LIKE FEES OR RENT OR ETC.. FOR SELLING ANIMALS, FOR EXAMPLE ON THE JOB USE OF WORKING ANIMALS OR WORKING ANIMAL ENTERPRISE.

IT'S REALLY VAGUE. THEY SAY WORKING ANIMAL MEANS ANY ANIMAL USE FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING A SPECIFIC DUTY IN COMMERCE OR SERVICE, INCLUDING ANIMALS INVOLVED IN HUNTING, ENTERTAINMENT, INCLUDING HORSE RIDING AND CARRIAGE RIDING, TRANSPORTATION, EDUCATION, FARMING, LOGGING, OR SERVICE.

SO YOU GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE HERE WITH SAYING THAT NOW WORKING DOGS CAN'T BE MICROCHIPPED.

FOR EXAMPLE, WORKING DOGS CAN'T HAVE LICENSES.

AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BREED THEM IN THEIR BACKYARD, WE CAN'T ENFORCE A KENNEL LICENSE LAW.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT IS NOT EXPLAINED.

I DON'T THINK IT'S PROBABLY THEIR INTENTION TO DO THAT.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO KNOW WHERE THIS ORIGINATED FROM.

MOST OF THE TIME, WHAT WE'RE SEEING ALREADY IN A REALLY SHORT JUST A LITTLE BIT, THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN IN SESSION HERE THAT EVERYONE HAS LIKE ONE STORY OF, LIKE ONE THING THAT HAPPENED SOMEWHERE. AND I'M GUESSING THIS IS THE ORIGIN, BUT I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS BILL A FEW HOURS AGO, SO I HAVEN'T DONE ANY MORE RESEARCH. BUT AS I WAS SAYING TO MAYOR BURTENSHAW, SHAW.

I THINK IF YOU ASK ANY ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER FROM IDAHO FALLS IN THE COUNTY HOW MUCH BETTER OUR COMMUNITY IS NOW THAT WE HAVE BANNED THE PUBLIC SALE OF ANIMALS ON THE STREETS. WE USED TO CALL IN FRONT OF SPORTSMAN'S WAREHOUSE.

WE HAVE SEEN WE HAVE SEEN A TOTAL REDUCTION OF PARVO IN OUR SHELTERS.

YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET RID OF THEM COMPLETELY. BUT THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF THE SPREAD OF DISEASE HAS CHANGED.

IT REALLY HAS MADE PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THEY CAN'T JUST SHOW UP ON PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR THIS USE AND SPREAD DISEASE. AND IT JUST HAD A REALLY POSITIVE EFFECT ON OUR CITY.

AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS CITIES ACROSS THE STATE. I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE 17 THAT HAVE THAT HAVE A SIMILAR ORDINANCE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT EMAIL IS ABOUT. AND I'LL LOOK INTO IT FURTHER AND SEE WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO DO AS AN ENTITY ABOUT COMMUNICATING WITH OTHER CITIES. SO THANK YOU. WOULDN'T YOU FIND THE NUMBER OF THAT BILL? COULD YOU SEND IT TO ME? IT'S IN THAT EMAIL. YOU CLICK ON IT.

IT'S A GOOD ONE. YEAH. I EMAILED YOU GUYS RIGHT AWAY TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THAT THIS WAS NOT A SORT OF RANDOM PERSON.

THAT IS A LEGITIMATE EMAIL WITH LEGITIMATE LINKS.

AND YEAH. ALSO DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON WANTED TO REMIND US THAT OUR STREET TREE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY DEFINES WHAT TREES CAN BE PLACED ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE HAVE A REALLY EASY ANSWER TO THAT. OKAY.

GREAT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR FREDRICKSON. THE OTHER PIECES THAT I HAVE, I'M GOING TO INCLUDE JUST DOWN IN ANNOUNCEMENTS, EVENTS AND CALENDARING. SO IF WE CAN JUST MOVE ON TO THE ACCEPTANCE OF OUR RECEIPTS OF MINUTES.

COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS. I MOVE COUNCIL RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE FEBRUARY 3RD, 2020 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT. THAT'S THE ONE WE WANTED.

OKAY. I'LL SECOND. FRANCES A FREEMAN. YES. DEMON.

YES. LARSON. YES. RADFORD. LEE. YES. MOTION CARRIES.

OKAY. COUNCIL. MEMBERS. THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A DISCUSSION COMING TO US FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS THE HOMELAND SECURITY AND IMMIGRATION.

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WELCOME TO OUR WORK SESSION. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL. SO I THINK THE IDAHO FALLS POLICY IS IN YOUR PACKET.

SO DO YOU WANT ME TO PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN? YEAH, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE TO GET TO IT.

MAYBE AS LONG AS YOU TELL ME. WHAT? I WON'T TELL YOU HOW LONG YOU ARE.

SO IN GENERAL, WHEN I'M. WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY, IT'S IDAHO FALLS POLICY FOR 14.

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IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THEN GO TO THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE'S A LINK TO THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE MANUAL, AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF OUR POLICIES THERE. THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC FACING.

AND THIS POLICY HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME THROUGH MULTIPLE PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATIONS, THROUGH DIFFERENT FEDERAL EMPHASIS ON IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

AND A COUPLE OF GENERAL THINGS I'LL SAY ABOUT IT IS IT'S INTENDED TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

IT'S INTENDED TO FOLLOW THE LAW. IT'S INTENDED TO PUT PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST.

WHAT SOME OF THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS AND THE FOLKS HERE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM THIS PARTIZAN PERSPECTIVE, WE WON'T MAKE ANYONE HAPPY.

BUT THERE'S PART OF THE COUNTRY THAT WANTS US TO GO OUT AND ROUND EVERYBODY UP AND AND AND GET EVERYBODY OUT.

WE WON'T DO THAT. THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY THAT WANTS US TO PUT A GREAT BIG BRICK WALL BETWEEN US AND ANY FEDERAL AGENCY, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, ACTIVELY OBSTRUCT THEIR INVESTIGATIONS.

WE WON'T DO THAT EITHER. IT STRIKES WHAT I THINK IS, IS A LEGAL DEFENSIBLE KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND.

AND AGAIN, WE TRY TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

THIS FIRST I DON'T KNOW. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. WE HAVE THIS POLICY, I THINK, FOR SEVEN YEARS.

IT'S BEEN UPDATED. A LITTLE VIEW BUT THIS THIS THIS PARTICULAR VERSION HAS BEEN ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.

ONE THAT PREDATES THIS ONE, THOUGH. IT WAS VERY SIMILAR. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, AND IN FACT, THE POLICY OPERATED AS MS YOU KNOW, WAS WAS FUNCTIONALLY THE EXACT SAME AS WELL.

SO THESE POLICIES FOR SOME TIME. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THE POLICY A LITTLE BIT LINE BY LINE.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE WHOLE THING LINE BY LINE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

THEN I'LL TELL A COUPLE ANECDOTAL STORIES ABOUT HOW DOES THIS ACTUALLY APPLY IN THE REAL WORLD.

AND THEN I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO MAKE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I'LL JUST STOP SHARING TIME AND GO BACK AND FORTH.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE POLICY IS TO PROVIDE GUIDELINES TO MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RELATING TO IMMIGRATION AND INTERACTING WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS.

SO THE POLICY OF IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ALL MEMBERS MAKE PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL COMMITMENTS, EQUAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW AND EQUAL SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC.

CONFIDENCE IN THIS COMMITMENT WILL INCREASE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS DEPARTMENT. PROTECTING AND SERVING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND RECOGNIZING THE DIGNITY OF ALL PERSONS, REGARDLESS OF THEIR NATIONAL OR IMMIGRATION STATUS.

WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR IS, IS WE WANT VICTIMS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT CALLING OR REPORTING THEIR CRIME.

WE DON'T WANT A VICTIM OF CRIME TO HESITATE, TO CALL AND REPORT THEIR CRIME BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF SOME SORT OF IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT EXACERBATES THE CRIMINAL PROBLEM THAT ALREADY OCCURS.

IF SOMEONE IS A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO INTERDICT THAT AND TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO WHATEVER RESOURCES THEY NEED AND NOT HAVE ANY IMMIGRATION STATUS BE A LIMITING FACTOR TO THAT.

SO TO ENCOURAGE CRIME REPORTING, COOPERATION IN THE INVESTIGATION OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, ALL INDIVIDUALS, REGARDLESS OF THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS, MUST FEEL SECURE.

CONTACTING OR BEING ADDRESSED BY MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL NOT AUTOMATICALLY LEAD TO IMMIGRATION INQUIRY AND OR DEPORTATION.

WELL, IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO DETERMINE THE IDENTITY OF THE VICTIM OR WITNESS. MEMBERS SHALL TREAT ALL INDIVIDUALS EQUALLY AND NOT IN ANY WAY THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE U.S.

OR IDAHO CONSTITUTIONS AND THE GENERAL RULE. WE WE WENT TO 50, 50, 50, 51, 50, 2000 CALLS FOR SERVICE IN 2025. VERY RARELY.

IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THOSE 50 PLUS THOUSAND CASES? IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE INVESTIGATE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME IS SIMPLY NOT RELEVANT TO TO WHAT IS OCCURRING.

IF WE ARE GOING TO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FIGHT, THE ELEMENTS OF THE CRIME IMMIGRATION STATUS IS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE CRIME.

IT IS NOT PART OF WHAT'S INVESTIGATED. IT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOCUMENTING.

IT'S SIMPLY NOT RELEVANT TO THE INVESTIGATION.

BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO SPEAK LOUDER, I'M TOLD.

I'M NOT MAD. BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE BEING CULTURAL KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.

WE'RE IN, LIKE THE PUB IN BOISE THAT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CALL, TO TURN PEOPLE IN THAT WEREN'T CITIZENS.

WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE CALLS THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS BECAUSE THEY THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON?

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IF SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ONLINE THEY DIDN'T LIKE AND THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE THEIR LIFE HARDER. THEY COULD JUST SAY, HEY, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE A CITIZEN, BUT OUR ROLE WOULD BE, HEY, WE DON'T HANDLE THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER IMMIGRATION AND CITIZENSHIP.

AND THAT'S NOT JUST WHAT WE WOULD SAY. THAT'S WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD SAY. ALSO, THAT'S WHAT THE US LAW SAYS. AND SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LATER.

BUT IF PEOPLE IF THE ONLY ISSUE IS IMMIGRATION STATUS, IT'S NOT AN IP CASE AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO.

BUT I MEET WITH SOME FREQUENCY WITH HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS AGENCY.

THEY'RE SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE. AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING.

I MET WITH THEM BEFORE I CAME HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY. AND EVERY TIME THAT WE DO ANYTHING OR THEY CALL US UP, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THEY ARE VERY SPECIFIC. YOU CANNOT HELP US IN ANY WAY TO DETAIN PEOPLE.

THESE THINGS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY. WE DON'T WANT YOUR HELP FOR THAT. YOUR PURPOSE IS PUBLIC SAFETY TO TRAFFIC CONTROL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE DON'T AND CANNOT INDEPENDENTLY. AND THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION PERSONNEL DON'T WANT US TO BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR THEIR JURISDICTION. DOES THAT ANSWER THAT QUESTION? OKAY. SORRY. EXCUSE ME. AND THIS IS WANTING VICTIMS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE CALLING US IS YEARS AND DECADES LONG ENDEAVOR. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST TRY TO DO FOR A DAY OR TWO.

WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD DATA THAT SHOWS THAT IF YOU'RE A VICTIM OF CRIME AND YOU'RE HISPANIC, YOU'RE LESS LIKELY TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE PROSECUTION OF THAT CRIME HERE IN IDAHO FALLS.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT NEEDLE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF SURVEYS THAT WERE DONE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND CUSP IS SURVEY.

AND THE SURVEYING, THE CUSP DID WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT HISPANIC COMMUNITY HAD A, HAD A HIGHER LEVEL OF FEAR THAN THE REGULAR POPULATION, THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION. BUT THAT WAS NOT DIRECTED AT IFP.

IT WAS DIRECTED AT OTHER ENTITIES. IFP, ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY, WAS ONE OF THE MORE RESPECTED GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT THAT WERE OUT THERE.

SO THIS IS A YEARS, DECADES LONG TERM COMMITMENT AND WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE TO REPORT THEIR CRIMES AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE INVESTIGATION OF CRIMES. WELL, IT'S ALSO PROBLEMATIC FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHEN THERE'S CASES, RIGHT? LIKE COURT. IF COURTHOUSES AND IMMIGRATION, THEN PEOPLE WON'T SHOW UP FOR HEARINGS AND THEN THEY CAN'T GET THINGS RESOLVED.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THOSE THOSE ISSUES HERE.

SO FAR, SO FAR, ONE OF THE REASONS IS, IS, IS THAT THE JAIL LEVEL IMMIGRATION ISSUES ARE JAIL WILL COMMUNICATE WITH FEDERAL OFFICIALS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW THE COURTHOUSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S DONE AT THE JAIL LEVEL.

AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE ALSO WILL CALL HOMELAND SECURITY OR ICE.

WHEN WE DETAIN SOMEONE, WE KNOW THEY HAVE A VIOLATION.

IF THEY HAVE CRIMINAL OFFENSE, WE'LL TAKE THEM TO JAIL LIKE WE WOULD ANYONE ELSE.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY THEY WOULD AT THE END, THEY HAVE TO FIX IT.

AND THEN THE JAIL WILL MAKE THAT NOTIFICATION.

AND THAT'S HOW THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES WOULD PREFER HAPPEN AS WELL.

AND THAT COMES FROM OCCURRING IN THE COMMUNITY, IN COURTHOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH DETENTIONS.

THE POLICIES ARE ARE THOSE CALLED JUDICIAL WARRANTS THAT ARE FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.

THERE'S TWO TYPES OF WARRANTS THAT THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS CAN GET.

ONE, THEY USUALLY CALLED IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT.

I BELIEVE MOST FOLKS KNOW IT AS A CIVIL WARRANT.

THOSE ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE BY LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THEY'RE DETERMINATIONS MADE WITHIN HOMELAND SECURITY.

THE SABLAN IS DETAINABLE AND CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY.

AND THEY HAVE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE STORY THAN WHAT WE HAVE.

WE CANNOT AND DO NOT FORCE THOSE WARRANTS. EVEN IF WE SEE A COPY OF THE WARRANT, IF IT'S THAT ADMINISTRATIVE OR CIVIL WAR, WE WON'T AND CANNOT. SO WE WON'T. WE CANNOT ENFORCE IT.

HOMELAND SECURITY DOESN'T WANT US TO ENFORCE IT.

THEY THEY WILL TELL US YOU GUYS CAN'T ENFORCE OR HELP WITH ANY OF THESE TYPE OF WARRANTS.

THERE ARE SOME CRIMINAL WARRANTS. LIKE THERE IS A CRIME, LIKE AGGRAVATED REENTRY CAN BE A CRIME IN WHICH YOU COULD GET BOOKED INTO JAIL.

SO THERE ARE SOME WARRANTS IN THE IN THE DATABASE THAT ARE CRIMINAL WARRANTS AND WARRANTS WE CAN AND DO SERVE IF WE SEE THEM, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SIGNED BY A BY A JUDGE AS A CRIMINAL VIOLATION, LIKE ANY OTHER WARRANTS ON ANY OTHER JUDGES, IN ORDER FROM THE JUDGE FOR US TO TAKE INTO CUSTODY.

SO WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE CIVIL WARRANTS.

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ALL WE WOULD DO IF WE HAPPEN TO BE IN THE SAME LOCATION WHERE FEDERAL AGENTS WERE DOING THAT, WOULD BE TO KEEP THE PEACE, MAKE SURE NO ONE'S FIGHTING, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S SAFE.

THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO. BUT THE CRIMINAL WARRANT WOULD SHOW UP IN THE RECORD.

IF THE OFFICER IS RUNNING IT AND THEN THEY ACT, THEY COULD ACT ON IT ON A CRIMINAL ONE.

YES. AND THE OFFICERS GET TRAINED ON THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THE CIVIL WARRANTS WILL SHOW UP IN THE NCIC DATABASE.

THEY WILL SHOW UP THERE. SO THE OFFICERS HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND SO THE LAST PART OF THE POLICY. THERE'S A TRAINING OBLIGATION SO THAT WE'LL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO WARNINGS, BECAUSE ONE, WE CANNOT ENFORCE AND DON'T ENFORCE.

THE OTHER ONE IS A CRIMINAL LAW LIKE ANY OTHER WARRANT WOULD.

DOES THAT ANSWER THAT QUESTION? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO DETENTIONS. AN OFFICER SHOULD NOT DETAIN ANY INDIVIDUAL FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME FOR A CIVIL VIOLATION OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS RELATED TO CIVIL WAR.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. OUR VERY, VERY CLEAR.

WE WON'T DETAIN YOU FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT MEANS NOT EVEN FOR A SECOND.

AN OFFICER HAS A REASONABLE SUSPICION THAT AN INDIVIDUAL ALREADY LAWFULLY CONTACTED OR DETAINED, HAS COMMITTED A CRIMINAL VIOLATION OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW, MAY DETAIN THE PERSON FOR A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME IN ORDER TO CONTACT FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS TO VERIFY WHETHER IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS, A FEDERAL CIVIL VIOLATION OR CRIMINAL VIOLATION.

SO WE WOULD ALLOW OUR OFFICERS, IF THEY HAVE AN INDEPENDENT REASON, TO HAVE SOMEONE DETAINED, THAT MEANS THEY HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE THAT SOME STATE LAW WAS VIOLATED THE ENFORCING IN ANY WAY, AND THEY HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT THERE'S ALSO A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL VIOLATION ON THE FEDERAL SIDE.

THE POLICY WILL ALLOW THEM TO CONTACT A FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICER TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND IF THEY WANT TO ENFORCE IT. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AS A PRACTICAL MATTER.

WHAT OCCURS IS IF WE HAVE THAT PROBABLE CAUSE TO MAKE AN ARREST, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT ARREST, TAKE THEM TO BALTIMORE COUNTY JAIL AND LET THE JAIL MAKE THAT NOTIFICATION.

BUT FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES US TO, TO TO TO HAVE THE COMMUNICATION OPTION OPEN SO THAT OPTION IS OPEN.

BUT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WHEN WE DID CONTACT HIM AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, IN ALMOST EVERY CASE, NEVER SAY NEVER SAY NEVER.

BUT ALMOST EVERY CASE, THE PERSON THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DETAINED BY US BECAUSE THERE'S A PROBABLE CAUSE FOR A CRIMINAL VIOLATION, THEY GET TAKEN TO JAIL. SO THE JAIL IS RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE THOSE NOTIFICATIONS.

AND THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO WORK IN THIS HOUSE.

SO IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE A FOREIGNER AND YOU LOOK FOREIGN IN IDAHO FALLS, YOU'RE TELLING ME, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, THEY WOULD NOT UNLESS THEY BROKE THE LAW, THE CRIMINAL ORDINANCE.

THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FEAR THAT THEY WOULD BE DETAINED BECAUSE OF THEIR LOOK, BECAUSE OF THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS.

THERE WOULDN'T BE A REASON A CRIMINAL. YOU'RE SAYING AN INDEPENDENT CRIMINAL THING IS WHY THEY WOULD GET DETAINED IF THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN THE PRACTICAL, THAT WOULD STILL HAPPEN IN JAIL. CORRECT? SO SO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT CRIMINALITY.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S MORE CRIMINALITY IN THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER COMMUNITY, BUT IT OCCURS IN EVERY EVERY SUBSET, IN EVERY GROUP. IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE UNIVERSAL THINGS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE SOMEONE DETAINED FOR DUI, WE WOULD DETAIN THEM REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS IS OR THEIR NATIONAL HERITAGE. THERE. ANY GROUP? THEY COMMITTED A CRIME.

WHO WOULD DETAIN THEM? AND THEN THEY GO TO JAIL IF THEIR IMMIGRATION.

IF THEY HAD AN IMMIGRATION. ONE OF THOSE CIVIL WARRANTS WHICH SHOWS UP, THEY GET NOTIFIED THE GET NOTIFIED THE JAIL LIKE THAT.

SO NO, WE DO NOT STOP PEOPLE BASED ON ANY EXTERIOR CHARACTERISTIC.

WE STOP PEOPLE BASED OFF OF REASONABLE SUSPICION OR PROBABLE CAUSE THAT A CRIME IS COMMITTED AND THAT PERSON'S GOING TO COMMIT A CRIME.

I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES HAVE LESS TRAFFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING OUT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THOSE KIND OF FEARS. SO IF WE CAN BE AS OPEN AS WE CAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY CAN FIGURE OUT.

BUT I CAN READ THIS WHOLE PARAGRAPH. IT GOES ON TO DISCUSS ABOUT IF IF AN OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE THAT THERE WAS AN IMMIGRATION VIOLATION, THEY CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE WITH THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES.

AGAIN, THAT THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE STATE LAW, AND THOSE NOTIFICATIONS GET TAKEN CARE OF AT THE JAIL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON ON THAT? OKAY. THERE. SUPERVISOR RESPONSIBILITIES WHEN NOTIFIED AND OFFICERS DETAINED AN INDIVIDUAL AND ESTABLISH PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THE PERSON HAS VIOLATED CRIMINAL IMMIGRATION OFFENSE. SUPERVISOR SUPERVISOR SHOULD DETERMINE WHETHER IT IS APPROPRIATE TO TRANSFER THE PERSON TO FEDERAL AUTHORITIES OR LAWFULLY ARRESTED THE PERSON OR CRIMINAL OFFENSE, OR PURSUANT TO A JUDICIAL WARRANT. IN ALMOST EVERY CASE, WE'RE GOING TO ARREST THEM FOR CRIMINAL OFFENSE OR SERVE A WARRANT.

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THERE ARE A COUPLE CASES, AGAIN, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

THIS ONE SO IT WAS A A SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE. IT WAS A YOUNG GIRL WHO WAS BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY HER GRANDFATHER. MOM COMES IN AND AND SEES THIS IS HAPPENING AND INTERVENES.

THE GRANDFATHER THREATENS TO KILL MOM IF SHE REPORTS IT AND HAS THREATENED MOM.

SO WE GOT THE CASE. WE INVESTIGATED IT AS PART OF THAT.

WE ALSO KNEW THAT THE GRANDFATHER DID HAVE A LEGAL STATUS IN THE UNITED STATES.

WE CALLED FOR HELP FROM FEDERAL AUTHORITIES ON THAT ONE.

OUT OF CONCERN OF THE LAW. WE HAD THREATENED TO KILL AND OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS CAME IN AND INTERVENED IN THAT CASE AND TOOK HIM INTO CUSTODY.

WHICH GOT HIM OUT OF THIS AREA AND AWAY FROM THE VICTIM AND AWAY FROM THE MOTHER WHO THREATENED TO KILL.

SO THERE ARE THERE ARE CERTAIN INSTANCES IN WHICH WE WILL CALL THEM AND ASK THEM TO, TO COME.

BUT THEY'RE VERY, VERY RARE AND VERY EXTREME SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WHERE WE MAKE A DETERMINATION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THAT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND THAT WAS THE DUE DILIGENCE.

I WOULD ASSUME THAT BASICALLY SOMEONE COULD JUST MAKE THAT CLAIM.

A WOMAN COULDN'T COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE INVESTIGATE THE FIRST.

YES, YES, THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION. GENERALLY AN OFFICER SHOULD NOT NOTIFY FEDERAL FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS WHEN BOOKING ARRESTEES AT A JAIL FACILITY. ANY REQUIRED NOTIFICATIONS WILL BE HANDLED ACCORDING TO JAIL OPERATION PROCEDURES.

NO INDIVIDUAL WHO IS OTHERWISE READY TO BE RELEASED SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE DETAINED SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF NOTIFICATION.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE, OUR FUNCTION. THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT CALLING THEM UP AND NOTIFYING THEM WHEN WE TAKE PEOPLE TO JAIL.

THAT'S THAT'S THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

IN GENERAL, WHAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS WE CAN'T EXTEND THE DETENTION FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME.

FOR IMMIGRATION STATUS OUR OUR AUTHORITY IS STATE LAW AND CITY ORDINANCE, AND WE CAN DETAIN FOR THOSE.

WE CAN'T EXTEND THAT DETENTION FOR IMMIGRATION STATUS UNLESS IT'S CRIMINAL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? FEDERAL REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE.

SO REQUESTS BY FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS FOR ASSISTANCE FROM THIS DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO SUPERVISOR. WE DO HAVE A SUPERVISOR THAT'S DESIGNATED TO RECEIVE ALL OF THOSE.

IT'S ONE OF OUR SERGEANTS. YEAH, I JUST STARTED.

THE DEPARTMENT MAY PROVIDE AVAILABLE SUPPORT SERVICES SUCH AS TRAFFIC CONTROL OR PEACEKEEPING EFFORTS.

SO WE HAVE DONE THIS. THEY'VE ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE.

WHEN WE WHEN WE SIT AND BRIEF ON THESE OUR FEDERAL FOLKS HERE, THEY, THEY ARE AWARE OF THE LAW AS WELL.

THEY WILL TELL US THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. THEY THEY ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE A SPECIFIC PERSON THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET.

THEY WILL TELL US WHAT TYPE OF DETENTION THEY ARE DOING.

ALMOST ALWAYS THEY ARE DOING WHAT IS THEIR CIVIL DETENTION, WHICH WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO.

THEY WILL VERY SPECIFICALLY TELL US IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME AND HELP US. YOU CANNOT HELP US MAKE THIS DETENTION OR DO ANYTHING TO HELP US WITH THIS.

THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TRAFFIC CONTROL OR GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY PRESENCE TO KEEP KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE.

THAT IS OUR ROLE AND OUR PURPOSE IN THOSE IN THOSE CASES.

SO WE WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T GO AND HELP THEM DETAIN ANYONE IF IF THEY WERE TRYING TO DETAIN SOMEONE, THAT PERSON EXISTED. WE WOULD HELP THEM MAKE THAT ARREST.

THAT'S THAT'S THEIR OBLIGATION. DO WE HAVE AUTHORITY? ONE QUESTION THAT SEEMS TO BE A THEME THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY IN THESE PROTESTS THAT SEEMS EVERYTHING ESCALATES.

IS SOMEONE BEING DETAINED? WE ALSO WOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY OTHER PERSON DOING THAT.

NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD. OUR PURPOSE IS TO KEEP THE PEACE NOW.

YEAH. SO? SO PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO FILM. THEY'VE GOT A RIGHT FILM.

US. THEY'VE GOT TO RIGHT FILM. ANYONE. AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN PUBLIC SPACE, WE HAVE A CASE. GO TO COURT.

IT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WHERE THERE WAS A FIRST AMENDMENT ORDER TO TRY TO KILL AN IFP OFFICER, AND THEY DID THIS FILM. THEY INTERDICTED THEMSELVES INTO THE INTO THE INTO THE CALL, AND WE ENDED UP MAKING ARRESTS.

SO I WILL CAVEAT MY ANSWER WITH, YEAH, BUT IF SOMEONE WAS JUST FILMING THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT,

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SO THE, THE WHEN THEY CALL FOR ASSISTANCE, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.

SO THEY HAVE SPECIFIC PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.

JESSE HAD HAD INFORMATION. THEY, THEY HAD THESE PEOPLE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WERE HAPPENED TO BE FROM VENEZUELA.

THEIR INFORMATION WAS THAT THEY WERE POLICE OFFICERS OUT OF VENEZUELA.

THEY'VE BEEN POLICE OFFICERS IN VENEZUELA WHO HAD BECOME ENFORCERS FOR ONE OF THE VENEZUELAN GANGS AND HAD COMMITTED SOME HOMICIDES.

NEVER WANTED FOR HOMICIDE IN VENEZUELA. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TEN OF THEM.

THEIR INFORMATION IS SIX OF THEM HAVE BEEN DETAINED IN UTAH, JUST SOUTH OF US, A LITTLE BIT OF WASATCH FRONT AREA, AND THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD SEEN ONE OF THEM HERE IN THE IDAHO FALLS AREA.

AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THAT ONE SPECIFIC PERSON WHO THEY BELIEVED TO BE SOMEONE WANTED FOR ON SITE AS WELL.

AND IT WAS STILL JUST ON A ON A CIVIL ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, THOUGH THERE IS NO YEAH, THERE'S NO WARRANT THAT WE COULD ASSIST WITH. SO THEY ASKED FOR OUR HELP.

IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT WE COULDN'T HELP THEM, ACTUALLY, WITH THE WITH THE DETENTION OF THIS PERSON THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.

BUT THEY ASKED US JUST FOR PUBLIC SAFETY TO HELP THEM.

WE LOOKED AND SAID, YEAH, THAT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING REASONABLE FOR US TO HELP WITH. WE ASSIGN OFFICERS TO HELP THEM.

THE PERSON THAT WE DID HELP THEM FIND THE PERSON THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THE PERSON DROVE OUT OF THE CITY, THOUGH, SO WE CAN'T LEAVE THE CITY. WE LOSE ALL OUR JURISDICTION AFTER THAT.

BUT WE TRANSFER THAT TO THE IDAHO STATE POLICE.

THEY STOPPED THE PERSON JUST SOUTH IN THE SHELBY AREA.

AS IT TURNS OUT, THE PERSON THAT THEY THOUGHT WAS THIS THIS REALLY BAD PERSON WASN'T ON IT.

THEY WERE THEY WERE A PERSON WHO WAS WORKING AT A VALID WORK PERMIT.

THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF AND THEY WENT OFF.

BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT WE'VE DONE WHEN THEY'VE CALLED UP TO ASK.

WE'RE PROVIDING TRAFFIC CONTROL OR PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE WILL NOT GO OUT AND DETAIN PEOPLE OR HELP THEM GATHER PEOPLE.

THAT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE. WILL DO ANY QUESTION ON THAT.

YEAH. SO IF WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE FEDERAL OFFICERS WERE TAKING IT UPON THEMSELVES TO DO TRAFFIC CONTROL OR KEEP A CROWD BACK OR WHATEVER, CAN WE AS AN ECPD STEP INTO THAT AND SAY, THIS IS OUR JOB, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

WE WOULD AND WE DO. AND WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE THESE CONTINGENCIES WITH, WITH OUR FEDERAL WITH THE FEDERAL AGENCIES. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR JURISDICTION IS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR TRAINING IS.

IT'S NOT WHAT THEY DO. AND SO WE WOULD HANDLE ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC CONTROL OR, AND WE HAVE BEEN HANDLING PROTESTS. WE'VE HAD PROTESTS PRETTY MUCH EVERY WEEKEND FOR A WHILE.

AND THAT'S THOSE ALL ARE RUN THROUGH THE PD, NOT THE FEDERAL AUTHORITY.

SO, YES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DO. AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

THEY WOULD ASK US TO DO THAT AS WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHEN THE PROBLEMS HAVE OCCURRED IS WHEN THERE'S PROTESTS AND THERE'S LIKE 700 AGENTS IN THE CITY. YEAH. IT STARTS. AND LUCKILY, THAT'S NOT OUR SCENARIO.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE. YOU KNOW, WE WE ARE CONTENT NEUTRAL AT THIS CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER.

WE ARE CONTENT NEUTRAL. OUR STANCE IS YOU CAN'T BLOCK TRAFFIC IN IDAHO FALLS BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO.

SO I TOLD FARMERS WHEN THEY WERE PROTESTING WATER.

AND, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN YOU AND ME, I KIND OF LIKED IDAHO FALLS FARMERS.

AND I TOOK THEIR SIDE OVER THE TWIN FALLS FARMERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT, YOU KNOW, I ROOT FOR MY LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM WHEN THEY PLAY TWIN FALLS ALSO.

WHETHER I LIKED OUR FARMERS OR NOT, I STILL CAN'T BLOCK THE ROAD.

AND I TOLD THEM THEY COULD BLOCK THE ROAD. WE WE WE SEND SIDEWALKS.

WE TOLD WE TOLD THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROTESTING FOR STRONGER SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT CRIMES THAT THEY CAN'T WALK THROUGH EITHER.

WHETHER YOU WOULD THINK I WOULD PROBABLY WANT YOU WOULD.

YOUR ASSUMPTION WOULD BE I AGREE WITH THEIR POINT OF VIEW. THAT'S THAT'S IRRELEVANT.

THEY CANNOT WALK THE ROAD. AND SO IT'S CONTENT NEUTRAL.

YOU CAN'T BLOCK THE ROAD. SO WE WOULD INTERVENE IN THAT TYPE OF THING.

WHETHER THEY'RE PROTESTING FOR ICE AGAINST ICE PRO TRUMP.

NO KINGS RALLY. ANY TYPE OF THAT. OUR STANCE IS THE EXACT SAME AS CONTENT.

I THINK YOU COULD WORK FROM YOUR GROUPS OR, YOU KNOW, OR TRY TO COMMUNICATE THAT.

AND IT'S WORKED OUT REALLY WELL FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS PRETTY INTOXICATED.

BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF THEY WERE DOWNTOWN.

WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE. MOST, MOST ALL OF THE PROTEST ORGANIZERS HAVE REACHED OUT PREVIOUS TO THE PROTEST AND TALKED ABOUT,

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THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT AND TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE ELSE IS NICE OR.

RESPECTED AS WELL. SO IT'S CONTENT NEUTRAL. WE'RE GOING TO HELP THEM PROTEST IF THEY START BLOCKING THE ROAD OR INTERFERING IN THE INVESTIGATION, WE WILL INTERVENE IN THAT. THAT WOULD BE OUR JOB.

THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT'S JOB. INFORMATION SHARING.

SO AS YOU READ OUR POLICIES, YOU'LL SEE THEY HAVE A IT SAYS FEDERAL UNDER THAT.

IS THIS THIS PARTICULAR SECTION IS IS MIMICKING FEDERAL LAW.

SO NO MEMBER OF THIS DEPARTMENT WILL PROHIBIT OR IN ANY WAY RESTRICT ANY OTHER MEMBER FROM DOING ANY OF THE FOLLOWING REGARDING CITIZENSHIP OR IMMIGRATION STATUS, LAWFUL OR UNLAWFUL, OF ANY INDIVIDUAL SENDING INFORMATION TO OR REQUESTING RECEIVING SUCH INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS.

MAINTAINING SUCH INFORMATION. DEPARTMENT RECORDS. EXCHANGING SUCH INFORMATION WITH ANY OTHER FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITY. SO FEDERAL LAW PROHIBITS US FROM NOT COMMUNICATING.

AGENCIES THAT CHOOSE TO DO THAT ARE A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW.

OUR POLICY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW.

AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, THE WAY THE WAY THAT WORKS IS WE WILL REACH OUT OCCASIONALLY TO OUR AND SAY, HEY WE HAVE THIS SUSPECT THAT WE BELIEVE IS INVOLVED IN ILLEGAL DISTRIBUTION OF NARCOTICS.

WE COULD USE SOME HELP WITH THIS CASE. AND THEY WILL GIVE US SOME INFORMATION AND WE'LL SHARE SOME INFORMATION BACK, BACK AND FORTH. AS A GENERAL RULE HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS WANTS US TO GO AHEAD AND ARREST THEM FOR THE STATE CHARGES THAT WE CAN GET, BOOK THEM INTO JAIL AND DEAL WITH THE IMMIGRATION STATUS THE SAME AS THEY DEAL WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

BUT WE WILL SHARE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO DO THAT TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT.

THERE WAS A A CASE IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHERE THEY WERE IMMIGRANTS FROM PERU.

AND THERE WAS A YOUNG GIRL WHO WAS KIDNAPED AND TRAFFICKED ACROSS STATE LINES SOME PEOPLE THAT CONTACTED HER OVER THE INTERNET AND MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO COME AND MEET HER.

THEY MET HER, TOOK HER TO A HOTEL, COMMITTED A CRIME MOTEL AND THEN TOOK HER OUT OF THE STATE.

AND IT WAS LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN THE MOVIES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING WE WERE ABLE TO TO GET THE LICENSE PLATE OF THE CAR THEY WERE IN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT LICENSE PLATE READERS SOMETIME SOON.

BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE, WE'RE ABLE TO KNOW WHEN WHEN THAT CAR TAKING THIS, THIS YOUNG GIRL CROSSED OVER COLORADO AND WE WERE ABLE TO CALL UP THE SHERIFF IN COLORADO AS THEY CROSSED IN AND THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE A STOP THE REST OF THE TWO PEOPLE AND SAVE THIS VICTIM AND RETURN HER TO HER FAMILY.

IN COLORADO. THAT WAS THE ONE. COLORADO. BUT WE HAVE THAT.

WE HAVE THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE JAIL SYSTEM WORKS IN COLORADO, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO KEEP OUR TWO SUSPECTS IN THIS HUMAN TRAFFICKING CASE.

THEY WERE GOING TO RELEASE THEM. AND THE ODDS OF US BEING ABLE TO FIND THEM AGAIN WERE ALMOST ZERO.

BUT WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING THESE FOLKS.

EVEN THOUGH WE WERE GETTING THE GOVERNOR'S WARRANT, THEY STILL WOULDN'T HOLD ON TO THEM. AND SO WE REACHED OUT TO HOMELAND SECURITY AND SAID, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE'LL GET YOUR HELP WITH THIS PARTICULAR TWO PEOPLE.

HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. THEY LOOKED AT US, FEDERAL NEXUS TO US.

THEY WENT OUT AND TOOK CUSTODY OF THEM FOR US.

SO AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE SAW THAT AS THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD GET BACK OUT INTO THE GENERAL POPULATION OF THE COUNTRY.

AND THAT'S HOW THAT INFORMATION SHARING WORKS GOING BACK AND FORTH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. THE LAST PART OF THIS IS ABOUT USES AND USES.

SO YOU USES THIS IS INTENDED TO HELP VICTIMS OF CRIME.

SO IF YOU'RE A VICTIM OF A CRIME AND YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE PROSECUTION OF THAT CRIME, YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR A U VISA WHICH GIVES YOU LEGAL STATUS.

AND WE WILL HELP PROCESS THESE VISAS SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE YEAR.

COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS ASKED ME A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DOES IF THEY APPLIED FOR THE VISA, DOES ISN'T THAT THAT THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES KNOW WHERE THE PERSON IS AND ARE

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IF IT LOOKS LIKE A VALID VISA, THE PERSON IS STILL DOESN'T HAVE LEGAL PROTECTION, BUT IF IT LOOKS LIKE A VALID VISA, THEY DEFER ANY IMMIGRATION STATUS UNTIL IT'S BEEN ADJUDICATED, WITH THE CAVEAT IF THERE'S A NEW CRIME COMMITTED.

SO IF YOU'RE A VICTIM OF A CRIME AND THEN YOU COMMIT A CRIME, THEN IT NO LONGER VALID VISA.

AND SO WE TRY TO PROCESS THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

WE HAVE SOME DESIGNATED POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT REVIEWS THEM.

MOST OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE PURSUING THESE ARE HELD BY SOME SORT OF IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY BEFORE THEY GET TO US, BUT WE'LL PROCESS THESE REGULARLY AND TRY TO HELP PEOPLE GET LEGAL STATUS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE CASES.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE PIECES? AND THEN THERE'S AN OBLIGATION FOR TRAINING.

BUT AGAIN THAT'S CIVIL CRIMINAL IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE DIFFERENCE. SO WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TRAIN ON THOSE AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S CIVIL OR CRIMINAL VIOLATION.

AND THAT'S THE IP POLICY. THAT'S HOW IT PLAYS OUT IN PRACTICALITY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME, IN ANY SORT OF IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, WHEN IT COMES UP, WE LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST, LOOK AT COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW, THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO IN THE CASES WHERE WE THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY TO HAVE THE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT FOLKS INTERVENE, WE ASK THEM TO. AND THAT'S LESS OFTEN THAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND ENFORCE STATE AND CITY LAW.

IS THERE A WAY WE COULD HELP PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW HOW TO RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN OFFICER AND A FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICER BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME VESTS THAT SAY POLICE, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOCAL POLICE.

SO ALL OF THE. AGAIN, I SPOKE TO THE SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE TODAY, JUST JUST A FEW HOURS AGO.

ALL OF HIS AGENTS, WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY WILL HAVE A MARKED UNIFORM ON THEM.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLAINCLOTHES PEOPLE IN THERE.

SO WE'LL SAY HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS, RICE INVESTIGATIONS, AND THEY SAY POLICE ON THE BACK OF IT.

BUT THEY WILL HAVE THEY WILL HAVE THEIR AGENCY DESIGNATOR ON THEIR UNIFORM.

ALL IDAHO FALLS POLICE OFFICERS WERE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES WILL HAVE OUR AGENCY DESIGNATOR ON THE UNIFORM.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION, THEY JUST ASK, WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? AND WE WILL IDENTIFY OURSELVES AND ANY ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY WILL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS WHO THEY WORK FOR. BUT THEY WILL BE IN SOME SORT OF MARKED VEST THAT BEST IDENTIFIES THEM AS A COUPLE. AND WE HAVE AGAIN HAVE A. BUILD. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THESE GUYS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

WE'VE RUN A LOT OF CASES WITH THEM. WE WERE DOING A LOT OF DRUG CASES AND CHILD CHILD INTERNET PORNOGRAPHY CASES AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING CASES.

BEEN DOING THOSE FOR YEARS WITH THESE SAME INVESTIGATORS. SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED A CERTAIN LEVEL OF TRUST WITH THEM.

THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN THAT EITHER, DO WE? SO THEY THEY TOLD US THEY WILL NOT OPERATE WITHOUT NOTIFYING US.

AND THAT'S A LITTLE PIECE OF WORK OVER THERE.

AND THEY WILL BE MARKED AS WHO THEY ARE. THEY DON'T WANT TO CAUSE US PROBLEMS. THAT'S A GREAT POINT, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE ACTIVITIES WE'VE SEEN HAVE BEEN IN MAJOR CITIES.

WHEN THEY HAVE THESE, LIKE, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S LIKE AN ARMY THAT COMES IN 7 OR 800 AGENTS IN MAJOR CITIES.

AND AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE RED STATES. IT JUST HASN'T BEEN THAT SAME KIND OF.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN AN UPTICK AT ALL IN IDAHO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? LIKE THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ACTUALLY REPORTED MORE PEOPLE? YEAH, I MADE I MADE THAT POINT. WE'VE HAD THE SAME POLICY THROUGH MULTIPLE PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATIONS, BECAUSE WE DID THE SAME THING UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IN THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AND THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S OCCURRED FOR FOR MANY YEARS.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION AS BEST I CAN, KNOWING WHAT ARE YOU FEELING? YEAH. SO BECAUSE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW THEY DON'T THINK THEY'LL NEED TO TO PUT A MICROSCOPE ON US. THEY WOULD FAR PREFER TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT THEY WOULD FAR PREFER THAT THIS HAPPEN OUT OF JAIL AS OPPOSED TO IN THE COMMUNITY, SAFER FOR EVERYBODY.

AND SO BECAUSE THAT OCCURS AT THE JAIL? THERE'S SOMEONE THAT HAS COMMITTED A CRIME THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO THE IMMIGRATION STATUS,

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I THINK THEY'VE HIRED A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO WE'RE STILL EASTERN IDAHO.

THEY DON'T HAVE HUNDREDS. SO THEY'VE GONE FROM FROM COUNT ON ONE HAND TO COUNT ON TWO HANDS.

BUT NOT USING MY TOES YET. AND SO, YES, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY HAVE MORE PEOPLE.

WHEN WE WERE OUT WORKING WHEN THEY ASKED US TO HELP WITH THAT SUSPECTED HOMICIDE SUSPECT OUT OF VENEZUELA WHAT THEY TOLD US, THOUGH, IS WE'RE ONLY LOOKING FOR THIS ONE GUY.

WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE BED RIGHT NOW. ANYONE ELSE? IF WE HAPPEN TO FIND THEM, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET THEIR INFORMATION AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT THROUGH SOME SORT OF BOUNCES. WE ONLY HAVE ONE THAT YOU PUT SOMEONE IN.

AND THIS THE GUY WILL WORK WITH HIM. OKAY, SOME GOOD POINTS THAT I'VE HEARD AND DIDN'T HAVE ANSWERS TO.

ONE QUESTION I'VE BEEN ASKED IS WHAT DO THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE OFFICERS THINK ABOUT MASKS? BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WORK EVERY DAY WITH THEIR NAME ON THEIR CHEST AND BE IN PUBLIC FACING ROLES.

AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE KEEP SAYING ONLINE THINGS LIKE, WELL, THEIR FAMILIES ARE AT RISK BECAUSE THEY'RE KNOWN OR THEY'RE BEING DOXED.

AND I THINK WE FACE THAT EVERY DAY AS OFFICERS.

AND IT JUST SEEMS ODD TO ME THAT THERE'S ONE THOUGHT FOR THAT GROUP AND NOT FOR THIS ONE.

DO OUR OFFICERS CARE ABOUT THAT? AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT WAS TRAINING.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT TAKES US ALMOST A YEAR TO GET OUR PEOPLE ON THE STREET TO BE GOOD.

YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR FIREARMS AND THE WHOLE LEGAL DOCS.

YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE LEGAL DOCUMENTS. THEY HAVE TO KNOW TO BE ABLE TO BE EFFECTIVE ONCE THEY'RE ON THE STREET. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THESE FOLKS ARE GETTING TIRED PRETTY QUICKLY. IMMIGRATION AND NOT GETTING SOME OF THAT FULL YEAR TRAINING.

AND THAT SEEMS I DON'T KNOW. AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST A MISNOMER.

SO WITH THE WITH THE MASKS, THERE ARE OCCASIONS IN WHICH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL WEAR MASKS.

IN GENERAL, WE DON'T LIKE THEM, BUT I'LL USE COVID AS AN EXAMPLE.

NO ONE AT IUP WANTED TO WEAR A MASK DURING COVID.

IT WAS. I CAME AND EXPLAINED IT TO YOU BECAUSE NO ONE WANTED FACIAL.

THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS. THE 80% OF COMMUNICATION IS DONE THROUGH BODY LANGUAGE, AND MOST OF THAT'S THROUGH FACIAL EXPRESSIONS.

AND OUR JOB IS TO COMMUNICATE. THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR JOB.

AND IT MADE IT SO HARD FOR US TO DO WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO.

BUT THERE ARE OCCASIONS IN WHICH WE WILL WE WILL ASK SOMETIMES OUR UNDERCOVER DETECTIVES WE'LL PUT A MASK ON BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

OCCASIONALLY DURING SWAT SERVICES, THEY MIGHT HAVE A BALACLAVA ON WHICH WILL COVER THEIR FACE.

SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC INSTANCES IN WHICH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT MIGHT WEAR A MASK.

THE THE I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERENCING TOXIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING, BUT ESPECIALLY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S A CONCERN FOR ALL OF US. THAT'S WHY IDAHO FALLS IS ONE OF THE FEW AGENCIES THAT RELEASES THE NAMES OF THE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN SHOOTINGS. IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OTHER AGENCIES, THEY WILL NOT DO THAT FOR THE SAME REASON.

THE CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AND DECIDED THAT, THAT THEY NEED TO BE CAREFUL HOW I SAY THIS.

I'M NOT PROUD THAT WE WERE GOING TO SHOOT THIS UNDERSTANDING, BUT BUT I, I HAVE NO DESIRE TO HIDE WHAT, WHAT MY OFFICERS ALWAYS GONE OUT AND ACTED VERY PROFESSIONALLY AND BRAVELY, AND GOING OUT TO SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE IS SO GREAT.

AND I AM NOT ASHAMED OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. I HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

HOWEVER, EVEN WE WILL IN EACH CASE INDIVIDUALLY, IF THERE IS A THREAT TO THE OFFICER THAT IS KNOWN, WE WOULD NOT RELEASE THAT FOR THE SAME REASON.

YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS IF YOU IF YOU TRY TO LOOK, IF YOU TRY TO LOOK ME UP, YOU WON'T FIND ME ONLINE ANYWHERE.

I CAN'T HIDE COMPLETELY. BUT WHEN WE HAVE ONE OF OUR SHOOTINGS YEARS AGO, THEY WERE NICE ENOUGH TO PUT MY PICTURE UP IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, AND MY WIFE'S CELL PHONE GOT HACKED, AND HER FACEBOOK PAGE GOT TAKEN OVER, AND THEY WENT AFTER IT.

SO WE NONE OF MY KIDS ARE CONNECTED TO ME ANYWHERE.

SO THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS THERE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET KNOWN TO WHAT I'M GOING TO REFERENCE OF KIND OF THE LAW.

SO WHEN THEY WHEN THEY PUT MY PICTURE ON A FEDERAL, IT'S NOT FEDERAL, BUT ON A NATIONAL WEBSITE THAT GETS THAT LONG.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY GO TO KIND OF THAT, THAT MENTALITY.

THERE'S SOME REALLY BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN TO THEM. SO IS IT THE RIGHT THING OR WRONG THING TO DO? I'M GOING TO LET THEM MAKE THAT JUDGMENT FOR THEMSELVES.

HERE IN IDAHO FALLS. NO NO, NO. AND WHAT ABOUT THE TRAINING? SO TRAINING? I COULDN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

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I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEIR, THEIR THEIR RANGE OF ONES THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE RANGE OF LAWS THAT WE'RE DOING.

SO THERE MAY BE SOME DIFFERENCES. WELL, THE DE-ESCALATION TRAINING, THE CIT TRAINING IS DO MENTAL HEALTH.

IT'S ALL USEFUL. SO I THINK HOPEFULLY I JUST COULDN'T SPEAK TO TO WHAT THEIR TRAINING REQUIREMENTS ARE.

I HAVE NO IDEA. I HAVE ONE MORE THING THEN. CAN YOU JUST SPEAK UP? SORRY. SORRY. SO MY OTHER THING, IT SEEMS LIKE BASED ON CURRENT NATIONAL ATMOSPHERE.

THERE'S BECOMING LESS TRUST AMONG SOME PEOPLE WITH AUTHORITY, PARTICULARLY FEDERAL AUTHORITY.

AND SINCE WE ARE TRYING TO EMPHASIZE COMMUNITY POLICING, WHICH BUILDS ON THAT TRUST, IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN OR SHOULD DO MORE PROACTIVELY THAN EVEN NORMAL TO TRY TO BREAK DOWN THAT BARRIER THAT MAY BE BEING BUILT UP? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SAY YES, BUT BUT NOT MORE THAN NORMAL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT NORMAL IS.

I THINK THAT'S OUR OBLIGATION. ALWAYS. THE TODAY IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE WERE TALKING TWO YEARS AGO. IT WAS GEORGE FLOYD, AND WE'RE TALKING FOUR YEARS BEFORE THAT WAS IT WAS FERGUSON.

AND IF YOU'RE TALKING WHEN I WAS A ROOKIE POLICE OFFICER, IT WAS LAPD AND RODNEY KING.

SO THERE IS DECADES, LONG, CENTURIES LONG OBLIGATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TO ENGAGE AND DO ITS BEST TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND WORK WITH THE PUBLIC. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT.

SPECIFICALLY, RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS WE SPENT WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON A SPANISH LANGUAGE RADIO OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING IT. KIND OF GOT TO THE POINT IN MUTUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH THE SUPER CALLING THAT, HEY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING. YOU GUYS CAN KEEP COMING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT. SO WE KIND OF OVERSATURATED IT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE'VE BEEN. HAD YOU. COME ON. ONCE I KNOW THE MAYOR.

MAYOR CASPER CAME ON ONCE. I DID IT SEVERAL TIMES.

JIM COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN CAME ON. SO WE DID A LOT OF THAT.

WE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND WE'LL BE BACK ON THE RADIO EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE SAME THINGS, WHAT IT DOES, WHAT OUR RELATIONSHIP IS, HOW TO REPORT A CRIME.

WE'LL DO ALL THAT SAME STUFF. AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR MORE AND BETTER WAYS TO, TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THAT SEEMS TO BE REALLY EFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT GETS A VERY BROAD SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THERE'S OTHER IDEAS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT PERHAPS DOING ACCOUNTABLE. I THINK THERE'S SOME APPETITE FOR THAT.

WE DO FIVE. SO WE DO NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. WE'VE ALWAYS LAST SEVERAL YEARS, DONE IT AN ATTEMPT TO TO ENGAGE MORE WITH OUR COMMUNITY. NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. WE ALSO HAVE FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, AND WE'LL DO AGAIN NEXT, NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE LAST YEAR ALSO, THEY HAVE SOME COUNCIL WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE IN ALL THOSE THINGS ALSO JUST IN LINE WITH THAT BUILDING TRUST.

I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE WELL. IT SEEMS LIKE I SEE MORE FACES ON THE FLOORS, BUT HOW IS THAT WORKING? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO SO.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS, IS YOU SAY LATIN FACES, BUT PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS IDENTIFY HOW WE MIGHT THINK THAT THEY ARE. WE WE ARE IN GENERAL, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE CITY.

WE'RE NOT SPOT ON. PERFECT. I LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS REGULARLY AT 13 TO 14%, WHICH IT CHANGES, BUT ABOUT 13 TO 14% OF HISPANIC. WE'RE ABOUT 11% HISPANIC OFFICERS.

WE HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER OF THAT THAT SPEAK SPANISH AND THAT MIGHT LOOK HISPANIC, NON-HISPANIC.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OFFICERS IN HISPANIC THAT SPEAKS SPANISH, HISPANIC.

SO PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE. AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HISPANIC OFFICERS THAT DON'T SPEAK SPANISH AND PEOPLE.

AND SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS. BUT WE HAVE JUST NATURALLY WE SERVE AS A NATURAL REFLECTION OF THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S REALLY GREAT. HISPANIC OFFICERS DO A GREAT JOB FOR US.

CHIEF, WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH WORK OF OUR OWN THAT WE'RE NOT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TO.

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THEY'LL OCCASIONALLY CALL TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED SOME PUBLIC SAFETY HELP, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY. SO NOT ONLY DO WE NOT HAVE TIME TO DO IT, THEY DON'T WANT US TO DO IT. IT'S NOT OUR JURISDICTION. SO THAT'S NOT US.

NOT IT'S NOT US. PUTTING OUR NOSE UP AT OUR AT OUR.

IT'S THAT'S THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN AND WE HAVE ENOUGH WORK.

WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF WORK TO DO ON THAT. YES WE DO.

AND THEN, AS I EXPLAINED IN A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS, WHEN WE THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WE HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND WE ACT ON WHAT WE THINK IS THE BEST INTEREST FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

THANK YOU CHIEF. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE FURTHER CONVERSATION ON SUPER CALIENTE.

I THINK THE TIMING WOULD BE GOOD AGAIN. SO I APPRECIATE THAT THAT WAS ALREADY PROACTIVELY BEING DISCUSSED OR WE EVEN HAVE THIS ON THE BOOKS.

JUST SAY THAT THERE'S SOME BIG EVENTS. SO WE HAVE THE DAY OF THE DEAD EVENT THAT'S GOING TO BE AND ALSO THE CINCO DE MAYO, CINCO DE MAYO THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S KIND OF CLEVER.

THEY THE COMMITTEE REACHED OUT. AND SO WE'VE BEEN PART OF THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

WE DO A LOT OF THINGS IT'S KIND OF FUNNY HOW IT WAS AT THE TIME.

YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE BAD. LIKE ON OUR NIGHT OUT TO HAVE A BAND FROM THE LATIN.

AMAZING THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH, TOTALLY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. COUNCIL. DO YOU KEEP GOING? OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL KEEP ROLLING THROUGH. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION IS COMING TO US FROM PUBLIC WORKS.

[Public Works]

AND IT IS ACTUALLY ALSO A ATTACHMENT IN THE PACKET.

YES. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

AND JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE, I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW WHO WE'VE GOT UP HERE.

BUT CHRIS CANFIELD, THE ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, BRIAN CUNNINGHAM, ONE OF OUR ENGINEERS AND THE ENGINEERING DIVISION THAT HANDLES THE BULK OF OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. SO JUST TRYING TO ANTICIPATE IF WE'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY POP UP, THAT CAN WEIGH IN ON, BUT AS PART OF THAT, WE ALWAYS GET KIND OF EXCITED WHENEVER WE HAVE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON, ESPECIALLY ARTERIAL EXPANSION. AS OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW.

WITHIN YOUR PACKET, WE INCLUDED JUST KIND OF A VICINITY MAP TO KIND OF TEE UP THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION, BUT WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, TWO OF WHICH THAT ARE FEDERAL AID.

AND THEN ONE WILL BE PROPOSED TO BE LOCALLY FUNDED.

AS WE HAVE A NUMBER OF INTERFACES WITH OUR OTHER TRANSPORTATION ENTITIES IN THE AREA, BOTH BONNEVILLE COUNTY AND THE IDAHO TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

THOSE THOSE INTERACTIONS THAT WE HAVE THROUGH THE BONNEVILLE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION HELPED US PLAN, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVELY SO THAT OUR PROJECTS REALLY ACCENTUATE ONE ANOTHER.

AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST PUSHES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN IN THE NORTHEAST SIDE IS IT HAS TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THE US 26 US 20 CONNECTOR PROJECT.

AND SO THIS WOULD DIRECTLY FEED INTO THAT AT LEAST TO THE SOUTH.

AND SO ONE OF THE ISSUES WHY WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY.

AND THEN ALSO TWO OF THESE, AS I MENTIONED, ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED.

AND PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS IS PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO WE WANT TO COVER THAT AS WELL TODAY. BUT WITH THAT, MAYBE WE'LL JUST TURN SOME TIME OVER TO CHRIS TO RUN THROUGH SOME SLIDES THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER FOR THESE THREE PROJECTS. OKAY. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A VICINITY MAP TO SHOW THE LOCATIONS OF THE PROJECT.

SO YOU'LL SEE PINECREST GOLF COURSE. SO THE BLUE PORTION IS BASICALLY A WHAT WE CALL A REHABILITATION PROJECT.

THAT'S A MILL AND OVERLAY. AND IT GOES BETWEEN THE CANAL UP NORTH TO LINCOLN ROAD.

AND THEN THE GREEN PORTION IS A WIDENING SECTION THAT DRAWS A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION ON THE FEDERAL SIDE.

THAT WAS A WE'RE GOING FROM BASICALLY TWO LANES.

AND WE DID ADD A RIGHT TURN LANE TO TURN OFF THE YELLOWSTONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

BUT THAT'LL BE A FIVE LANE SECTION WHEN WE'RE DONE.

SO THE FIRST TWO PROJECTS, THE BLUE ONE AND THE GREEN ONE, ARE FEDERAL AID. SOUTH OF YELLOWSTONE.

THE NORTH YELLOWSTONE IS WHERE WE HAVE PROGRAMED IN OUR IMPACT FEES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WIDENING WOODRUFF NORTH OF YELLOWSTONE TO IONA.

AND THAT'S THE THE ORANGE OR THE BROWN OR TAN LINE.

SO AGAIN, PHASE ONE AND TWO AND THREE. SO A METHOD TO LINCOLN.

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AND THEN YELLOWSTONE TO THE WIDENING PROJECT TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR A IN THE NEPA PROCESS THROUGH THE FEDERAL AID STUFF AND EARLY PUBLIC MEETING.

AND SO WE DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL WE DO A PUBLIC MEETING.

AND THAT KIND OF STEPS US THROUGH TO GET TOWARDS FINAL DESIGN FOR THE ROUTE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WE ARE WORKING TO HAVE THE INTERFACE OF YELLOWSTONE TO MARRY UP OUR DESIGN WITH WHAT WE'VE HIRED KILLER TO DO.

AND THOSE PROJECTS, WE HIRED ONE FIRM TO DESIGN BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO IN ANTICIPATION OF COMPANION PROJECTS.

SO PHASE TWO, HOW CLOSE DOES THAT GET TO THE HIGHWAY? 2020 WHERE WILL 2026 COME ACROSS? WE ASSUME IT WILL BE AN EXIT, ESSENTIALLY.

ACTUALLY, THEY WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVES WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THAT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY 49 IS WHERE THEY PROPOSED BRINGING THAT ACROSS.

SO IT'S NORTH OF IONA. IT'S ANOTHER ONE ANOTHER MILE NORTH OF PHASE THREE.

YEAH. AND THE COUNTY, THAT ROAD IS TWO LANES THERE.

THAT IS. YEAH. DOES THAT PROJECT HAVE MONEY TO WIDEN? IS THAT ONE REASON ON THIS OR IS IT JUST SO FAR OUT? WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH, IT'S IT'S SOMEWHAT FURTHER OUT.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF ANNEXATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN THAT PHASE THREE.

SO AS THOSE CONTINUE TO COME IN, WE'VE STARTED DIALOGS WITH THE COUNTY FOR PERHAPS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT JOINTLY BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY.

SO AGAIN, PHASE THREE WOULD BE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES AS THE ARTERIAL WIDENING MAKES ITSELF AVAILABLE.

SO AS FAR AS PROJECT SCHEDULE GOES, THE MAP INTO LINCOLN PORTION.

SO THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROGRAMED PROJECTS WITH INTENT, AND WE HAD THEM IN THE SAME YEAR. THE TWO FEDERAL AID PROJECTS AND THEN IN THE MPO GOES THROUGH AN ANNUAL BALANCING PROCESS AND PROJECT SHIFT, AND SOME THINGS GIVE BACK AND FORTH.

OUR PROJECT GOT PUSHED TO 2029 FROM 2028 ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

SO THE LINCOLN PROJECT IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED IN FY 2029, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE MPO TO TRY TO PULL THAT BACK TO 2028.

OUR OUR INTENT IS TO GET THE DESIGN DONE WITH ONE CONTRACTOR TO DO BOTH PROJECTS AND GET IT ALL DONE IN ONE YEAR INSTEAD OF TWO YEARS.

AND YEAH, IDEALLY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. THE YELLOWSTONE TO IONA PROJECT IS WAS STRUCTURED IN OUR CIP WITH IMPACT IS CURRENTLY IT'S SCHEDULED IN 2027. AGAIN THE SCHEDULE AS WE GO AND TRY TO DO WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE 2027 WHEN WE GET THAT CLOSE, IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT DATE CHANGING PRETTY GREAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. DEPENDING ON POTENTIAL RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS AND WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON SOME THINGS THAT COULD DELAY IT.

AND THEN THE INTERFACE OF WHAT ARE WE BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE VERSUS THE SOUTH SIDE TO MAKE SURE IT MAKES SENSE WITH THE FEDERAL PROCESS AND WHAT THE PUBLIC WILL SEE WHEN WE'RE DONE. SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER THAT SCHEDULE THAN WE DO DEFENSIVELY.

WE KIND OF FELT THAT AT THE MERCY OF THE PROGRAMING AVAILABLE ON THE FEDERAL SIDE OF THINGS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THANKS. I GOT SOMETHING TO BRING UP THAT CAME UP IN PARKS AND RECREATION TODAY.

ACTUALLY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIL WHERE IT CROSSES AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS.

CARS ARE GOING PRETTY FAST RIGHT THERE. NOBODY GOES 35 AND IT'S A REALLY WIDE STREET TO GET ACROSS RIGHT THERE, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE OF A THOROUGHFARE.

IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET FOR THE PEDESTRIANS TO HAVE TO GET ACROSS HALF THAT STREET AT ANY TIME? WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT. YEAH.

LIKE THE ONE WE PUT IN IN RIVERSIDE DRIVE. RIGHT.

THAT'S ON BY THE TEMPLE. RIGHT. THAT YOU HAVE THAT FLASHING BEACON THERE, AND IT JUST HELPS PEOPLE IT'S AN AWFUL WAY TO GET ACROSS IN ONE SWOOP. I KNOW THE CHALLENGE. I KNOW WHEN WE EVALUATED AND VERSUS AN ISLAND WITH A RECTANGULAR FLASHING BEACON VERSUS THE STOPPING TRAFFIC WITH THE CURRENT PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON SIGNAL THAT WE PUT IN.

OKAY. WAS THE THOUGHT OF THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC MOVING QUICKLY AS YOU HAVE TO.

AND THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS ALLOWING THE LEFT TURNS TO OCCUR.

YEAH, BECAUSE THE VICINITY OF TURNING IS SO CLOSE TO THAT CROSSING, THAT DEVELOPING THAT LEFT TURN LANE COULD BE POTENTIALLY A CHALLENGE.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR TOO. I FIND IT FASCINATING BECAUSE I HAD TO CROSS THERE ON MY BOAT BECAUSE YOU GET

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IT IS REALLY DIFFICULT. BUT IT DID MAKE ME PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION, YOU KNOW, BE CAREFUL.

BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT'S ALSO THE PLACE I HAVE A NUMBER OF CITIZENS CALL ME FOR THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE ALONE RIGHT THERE BEFORE THAT BEACON, AND THEY FEEL THAT PEOPLE GO 45. WHAT IS THIS, 35? YEAH. AND THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE IT'S OFTEN PEOPLE ARE GOING WAY TOO FAST THERE.

AND SO I WROTE THAT AND SOME TREES, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO MAYBE MAKE PEOPLE GO TO SPEED ON IT.

THAT MIGHT HELP ALL OF THAT. WAS THAT SOMETHING THEY MENTIONED NONCOMPLIANCE WITH THE WITH THE HAWK SIGNAL? I MEAN, THAT'S ABOUT IT. I MEAN, THAT'S AS GOOD A NOTIFICATION AS WE CAN HAVE.

JUST PEOPLE ARE NOTICING TOO LATE. OR DID THEY MENTION WHAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING? NO, THEY'RE JUST SAYING THAT IT'S A SIGNAL.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT TAKES THEM A LONG TIME TO GET ACROSS THE STREET THERE. BECAUSE AS WHITE AS IT IS, RIGHT, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A SLOWER USER, LIKE YOU'RE PUSHING A CARRIAGE OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? OR WHAT I NOTICED IS YOU HAVE TO IF YOU'RE WATCHING FOUR LANES OF CARS, SLOW EIGHT BOTH DIRECTIONS BEFORE YOU'RE WILLING TO GO OUT, SO IT TAKES YOU SOME TIME TO. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO GET COMFORTABLE? YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NAVIGATING A LOT. AND IF THEY'RE YOUNG YOU WORRY THAT.

I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IF WE HAD MONEY, IF WE WERE MADE OF MONEY, LET'S GO UNDER OR OVER.

YEAH, YEAH. UNDER OR OVER. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY NOT HAPPENING.

YEAH. BUT YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT.

AS THE TIME GOES, WE GET OUR FINAL DESIGN PLANS TOGETHER AGAIN.

THAT SOUTH PORTION WAS INTENDED TO BE A OVERLAY, WHICH IS JUST A MAINTENANCE RESURFACING KIND OF THING.

RIGHT. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. ONCE IT'S OUT OF PD, THOUGH, THE CITY CAN FORWARD FUND THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WOULD WE LOOK TOWARD, NO MATTER WHAT, MAKING THESE TWO PROJECTS COME TOGETHER SO THAT WE'RE NOT DISRUPTING ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC FOR TWO YEARS IN A ROW? WE WOULD IF WE COULDN'T GET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO GIVE US THAT, WE COULD FORWARD FUND THAT AND THEN ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENT. THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR ADVANCED CONSTRUCT.

I THINK IT REQUIRES SOME BUDGETING AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH, WITH YOU.

AND OKAY, IT IS A POSSIBILITY. TRY TO AVOID IF WE CAN.

SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD PROBABLY I MEAN, MY OPINION IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN, DON'T DO IT IN THREE PHASES.

DO IT IN TWO PHASES. YEAH, I THINK THE APPEAL IS WELL AWARE THAT WE WANT THOSE PROJECTS TO BE LINKED SO WE CAN BID THEM AS ONE PROJECT AND ONE CONTRACTOR CAN HANDLE IT ALL.

BUT IF IF WE'RE UNABLE TO DO THAT, THEN I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE ADVANCED CONSTRUCTION IS AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.

IT'S JUST GENERALLY THAT'S. YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 1.5 MILLION IN THAT STRETCH.

SO IT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL DOLLAR FIGURE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN DO IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER.

OKAY, SO OUR NEXT NEXT PORTION OF THE UPDATE IS BASICALLY THE ELEMENTS.

AND WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS JUST TO KIND OF CHAT ABOUT OUR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT EFFORT.

WE DID DO A PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PLAN, AND THAT'S ALL THREE PHASES COME BY.

THERE'S THE PART THAT I HAD GENERATED. SO I COUNTED ALL THE, YOU KNOW, YOU EVALUATE YOUR STAKEHOLDERS.

AGAIN, THE CORE IS IN PHASE TWO WHERE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEIR PARKING, THEIR THEIR WARES ON THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WHEN WE DID OUR RIGHT TURN LANE, WE BROUGHT THEM OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

WE HAD A MEETING, I'LL CALL IT A STAKEHOLDER MEETING AND CHAT ABOUT CONCERNS WITH THE INSTALLATION OF RIGHT TURN THAT WE DID, AND WE DID PREP THEM FOR THIS PROJECT FORTHCOMING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE'LL BE REACHING OUT TO THEM AGAIN. AGAIN, THOSE WERE COMPLETED IN 2023 THAT I REFERENCED.

AND THEN OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT IS SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 25TH AT FIRE STATION SIX, WHICH IS IN THE VICINITY THAT RUNS JUST NORTH OF PHASE TWO.

BUT WE JUST WANTED TO NOT BLINDSIDE YOU WITH ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING.

BUT WE GOT ONE THIS WEEK FOR ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN IN TWO WEEKS FOR FOR THIS PROJECT THAT WE'D LIKE TO COMPLETE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DESIGN ELEMENTS GOING FORWARD? NOT FROM THE DESIGN ELEMENTS, BUT I'M FASCINATED BY THE QUESTION.

WE HAD A LAND USE BEHIND WOODRUFF THAT WAS NEW APARTMENTS, LARGE NUMBER.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REMEMBER WALKING AWAY FROM THAT IS THINKING, HEY, THE WAY TO GET THIS DONE.

SOMETIMES IS THEY GET MORE UNITS IN THERE SO THAT THEY HAVE SOME IMPACT INSTEAD OF PAY FOR SOME OF THIS.

AND SOMETIMES I DON'T THINK THAT NEXUS IS CONNECTED FOR SOME FOLKS BECAUSE BUSINESSES COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.

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YEP. AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE MAKING IT SAFER IN THE PROCESS.

SO HERE'S JUST A PICTURE OF THE FLIER THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE NAILED THROUGH THE THE NOTICE.

AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS WOULD CERTAINLY ADDRESS IT.

IT DOES IDENTIFY THE DESIGN ENGINEER. IT DOES IDENTIFY AS THE ADMINISTRATOR.

AND CALENDAR DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT. COULD WE MAYBE INVITE PARKS AND REC BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING ON THIS SAME SECTION ACCOUNT TO MAP INTO THAT BUILDING? YEAH, THEY'RE DESIGNING INTO LINCOLN AS WELL AS THE YELLOW ONE.

RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED TO BE PARKS OR AT LEAST INVOLVED WITH THE QUESTIONS ABOUT TRUSTEE.

SO OUR UPCOMING ACTIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS JUST TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC PROJECT OUTREACH.

CONTINUE WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO BE COORDINATING WITH BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE COUNTY I-T-D WHERE IT'S THAT HIGHWAY MAKING THE SIGNAL FUNCTION AT YELLOWSTONE WITH THE LANES THAT WE WANT TO WIDEN TO.

IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF SIGNAL WORK ON BOTH, BOTH THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH SIDE.

SO SOME COORDINATION REQUIRED THERE. WE WILL EXECUTE FOR THE TWO SOUTH PROJECTS WHAT WE CALL A STATE LOCAL CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT.

SO WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY EXECUTED A STATE LOCAL PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

AND THEN WE'VE ALSO EXECUTED AN AGREEMENT WITH KELLER WITH THEM TO PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN ON THE FEDERALLY PORTIONS OF PROJECTS.

AND WE'VE ALSO EXECUTED A DESIGN AGREEMENT WITH MOUNTAIN WEST ENGINEERING TO TAKE OUR DESIGN FROM YELLOWSTONE NORTH TO 33RD NORTH AND THEN OBVIOUSLY COORDINATE WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

SO HERE'S OUR CONCEPT. THIS IS THE NORTH PORTION.

ON THE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS WHERE WE TIE IN THE YELLOWSTONE AND WE FOLLOW THAT CURVE.

AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD, GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.

ON THE UPPER SIDE OF THE SCREEN WOULD BE THE A COUPLE SALVAGE YARDS THAT HAVE INITIATED SOME ANNEXATION REQUESTS.

AND THEN THE RIGHT SIDE WOULD BE IONA, WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON THE DESIGN TO FIT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE WE CAN.

THE COUNTY HAS PLATTED THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY ON THE EAST SIDE, AND IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT THE WEST SIDE LOOKS LIKE.

AND SO WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY TO DO.

HERE'S THE CONCEPT FOR THE TYPICAL SECTION OF WHAT WE WANT TO CONSTRUCT ON THE NORTH END.

SO BUT THIS IS WHAT KELLER IS DESIGNING AROUND, WHICH IS OUR NEW MPO ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN CONCEPT WITH A FIVE LANE SECTION AND THEN PATHS ON BOTH SIDES. THERE WAS A TREE ROAD. THERE'S A LANDSCAPE STRIP BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE HOUSE, BUT THOSE AREN'T AS WIDE AS. SIDEWALKS. THOSE ARE SHOWING SIX, SIX, SIX, WHICH IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN ANYTHING. NOW. THE CHALLENGE HERE IS WE'RE MATCHING INTO AN EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT'S AT THE INTERSECTION.

AND THEN BUT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO WIDEN. WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE FINAL DESIGN ELEMENTS.

SO IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE COMING OFF THE RIGHT, BUT THEN MAYBE THEY GO UP TO THE RIGHT.

YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN HERE'S JUST KIND OF AN INTERSECTION INTERFACE WHERE WE'RE JUST KIND OF CHECKING THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF YELLOWSTONE AND WOODRUFF AND THE THING THAT WE NEED TO BE ACCOMMODATED FOR THE FIVE LANE SECTION AND KIND OF SEE, THIS IS WHERE ENGINEERS LIKE TO GET CREATIVE WITH OUR AUTO TURN ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE TRUCKS CAN MAKE THE TURN.

OUR CURVE ALIGNMENT, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHERE OUR PEDESTRIANS COULD BE.

SO THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU STOP AND WHERE DO YOU START? BECAUSE THE YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING RURAL ROAD AND A RURAL INTERSECTION.

SO IT'S KIND OF IT FEELS LIKE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.

BUT HOPEFULLY AS WE FACE IT TOGETHER, WE CAN GET THE PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS TO COMPLEMENT THE ROAD WIDENING.

SO THOSE DEDICATED RIGHT TURNS ON ALL. SO WHAT OUR INTENT IS, IS FOR THE SIGNAL IMPACTS.

WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE A RIGHT TURN LANE ON ALL LEGS OF THE INTERSECTION SO THAT WE MOVE THE SIGNAL ONCE INSTEAD OF TWICE.

SO WHAT THE DIRECTION GIVEN TO KELLER WAS TO DO THE LAYOUT WITH A FIVE LANE SECTION WITH A RIGHT TURN LANE.

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WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD THE SIGNALS NEED TO BE POSITIONED AND WHERE DOES THAT LAND US IN POSSIBLE RIGHT OF WAY? ACQUISITIONS. WE FOUND THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT WE CAN KIND OF WORK WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.

WE HAVE, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS FOR THE FEDERAL AID PROJECTS, BECAUSE THAT REALLY HELPS.

THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE DO HAVE SOME WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME NEEDS FOR SOME RIGHT OF WAYS WHERE IF WE PUT THOSE SIGNAL POLES, WHERE WE'D LIKE TO PUT THEM AND MAKE THOSE PUSH BUTTONS AVAILABLE WITH PEDESTRIAN RAMPS, THAT'S THE SIDEWALK PORTION OF THAT IS WHAT'S DICTATING THE NEED FOR RIGHT OF WAY ON THE NORTH SIDE. THAT'S WHERE ON THE NORTH EAST CORNER IS A THAT'S A COUNTY PARCEL.

SO WE WOULD WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT. TO THE REST OF IT IS ON ON THE LEFT SIDE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT'S MY LAST SLIDE. IT IS. SO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL WORK.

GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER BRADFORD. YEAH. SO A FEW YEARS AGO WE WERE REALLY WORKING TOWARDS MAKING SURE THINGS LIKE THIS WERE DONE AT NIGHT.

BUT THEN WE DID GET SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. SO I THINK WE'RE BACK TO THE POINT WHERE WE DID.

OR DO YOU THINK WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT I MEAN, JUST TRYING TO STOP THE DISRUPTION MAKES SENSE.

BUT I KNOW NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO WORK. SO YEAH.

AND IT IS STILL I'LL SAY IT'S STILL A CONTRACTOR'S WORLD OR A CONTRACTOR'S MARKET, I'LL CALL IT.

YEAH. WHAT WE WILL DO, THOUGH, IS WE WILL STIPULATE AND MAINTAIN THIS IS OUR CHARTER BOAT THAT'S CARRYING 20,000 VEHICLES A DAY.

SO IT WILL NEVER IT WON'T FULLY CLOSE. THERE MIGHT IF THERE ARE CLOSURES, THEY WOULD BE AT NIGHT AND THEY WOULD BE FOR UTILITY CROSSINGS OR A STORM DRAIN CROSSING THAT HAS TO BE TRENCHED IN. AND IT'S UNSAFE TO HAVE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, OPEN DURING THAT.

BUT YOU NEED TO BE AT NIGHT OR THERE IS SOME TIMES WHEN WE HAVE EXPLORED CLOSURES, ON SUNDAYS WHEN TRAFFIC IS MUCH LIGHTER AND IT CAN BE NAVIGATED BETTER.

SO I THINK YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IN SOME OF YOUR PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE PROJECTS, WHERE YOU CAN COME IN AND DO SOME OF THE WORK AT NIGHT AND RETURN THAT TO TRAFFIC DURING THE DAY ON A FULL RECONSTRUCTION.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AS YOU EXCAVATE UP TO THREE FEET, YOU KNOW YOU GET YOUR STREET SECTION IN KIND OF TOUGH TO MAKE THAT WORK, AND THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DANGEROUS. AS YOU GET SOME OF THOSE ROUGH EDGES, YOU'VE GOT SOME PRETTY LARGE VERTICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE THE TRAVELING LANE AND.

YEAH, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME IT'S KIND OF LIKE REMODELING YOUR KITCHEN.

YOU LIVE IN ONE PORTION WHILE YOU DO THE WORK IN THE OTHER.

YOU MOVE TRAFFIC AROUND YOU. AND AND THEN THE OTHER CONCERN WE WITH HERE IS COORDINATING OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE CUT OFF.

YEAH, BUT WE AGREE WITH THAT. SOMETIMES WE'LL JUST GET FORCED INTO IT.

WE ALWAYS TRY TO. WELL, I THINK THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND WITH THE TWO WIDENING PROJECTS IS WHENEVER WE GO INTO SOME DEEP UNDERGROUND WHERE WE NEED TO EXTEND WATER AND SEWER. SO THAT'S AVAILABLE AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT, YOU KNOW, THE USABLE SPACE THAT WE HAVE AND ALSO THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT.

AND WE WILL HAVE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES INSTALLED AS PART OF THESE WITH THE STORM SYSTEM, SEWER AND WATER.

SO IT'LL IT'LL BE SOME IMPACTS. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE DOING THE PEAKING PLANT, I THINK WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AS THIS BECOMES BUSIER. AND YOU PROBABLY THIS IS PROBABLY THE WRONG GROUP TO ASK WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS.

I WAS WONDERING IF IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE INTERSECTION OF 33RD AND 15TH.

I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED, BUT WE KNOW WHO WE CAN TALK TO.

I FIGURE WE DO. SO I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION TO GET THAT INTERSECTION FINISHED UP.

WE DO HAVE ASKED FOR THAT FRONTAGE TO BE WORKED ON, BUT WHETHER THEY HAD ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION UP AT IONA AND 15TH, THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION. AND REALLY THE TWO INTERSECTION PIECES YOU MENTIONED, THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH SOME RIGHT OF WAY.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY THAT EXISTING FOUR WAY STOP THAT EXISTS AT IONA.

WE HAD A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE CITY, JUST THAT FOUR WAY STOP IN THE MORNING AND PEAK HOURS AND NORTHBOUND HAVE SEEN THAT ALMOST BACKED UP INTO YELLOWSTONE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY VEHICLES THAT ARE STOPPING. SO GETTING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL INSTALLED UP THERE, IT WOULD BE TO ALL OF OUR BENEFIT IF WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I DO WANT TO COMMEND PUBLIC WORKS. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY.

IT IS TRULY A NEW ERA. THEY'RE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY.

WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THIS ROAD AND A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ROADWAY, AND IT JUST REALLY DOES FEEL LIKE THINGS ARE MOVING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION TO THINK ABOUT

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THERE SEEMS TO BE A RENEWED COMMITMENT FROM EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS ALL OF OUR PROBLEM.

I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY THAT VIEWPOINT THAT TRAFFIC REALLY DOESN'T CARE WHEN THEY CROSS THAT JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY.

SO THEY JUST ASSUME IT WORKS WHEREVER THEY GO.

AND I THINK THE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE ARE REALLY ECHOING THAT CONCERN.

HEY, LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS REACHING OUT.

AND I JUST WILL SAY THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE PEDESTRIANS SAFE.

IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON PEOPLE WALKING AND STOPPING, GETTING IN THEIR CARS AND LOWER THE CAR DOWN SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD SIX LANES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS, THANKS. COUNSELOR. OKAY, WE CAN GO.

WE HAVE OUR NEXT DISCUSSION WOULD TAKE US TO EITHER 505 OR 520.

COULD WE HAVE WE CAN HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

YES, THAT'D BE GOOD. LET'S HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND AND GET BOTH OF OUR AIRPORT DISCUSSIONS.

OKAY. THERE IS THE. SIGNAL. THE THING THAT LETS US KNOW WE ARE BACK LIVE.

[Airport]

WE HAVE OUR CAR RENTAL AGREEMENT AND THEN A DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL ABOUT OUR AIRPORT.

BOARD OF DIRECTORS. GOOD. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE.

WE'LL SEE IF THIS WORKS. THERE WE GO. WE LEFT OFF IN DECEMBER AT THE DECEMBER 15TH WORK SESSION WITH THE RFP PROCESS.

RECEIVED BIDS IN NOVEMBER. AND ON THE 12TH OR.

SORRY, ON THE 18TH OF DECEMBER, YOU APPROVED THE FIRST RENTAL CAR AGREEMENT, AND THEN THE SECOND TWO ON JANUARY 8TH.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I DISCUSSED AND LEFT IT OPEN A LITTLE BIT ON THE UNALLOCATED SPACE, WHICH I'M HERE TO CLOSE OUT. WE HAD LEFT IT WITH HAVING BEEN OFFERED TO ENTERPRISE RENT, A CAR COMPANY IN UTAH.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE ODDITIES THAT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU.

THAT THIRD RENTAL CAR AGREEMENT WILL BE ON THURSDAY'S COUNCIL AGENDA, AND IT WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY TWO AMENDMENTS TO THOSE AGREEMENTS YOU JUST APPROVED? ABOUT A MONTH AGO. AND THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ADDING BRANDS THAT THEY'RE OPERATING UNDER, BUT THEY ARE ADDING SPACE TO THEM. AND THE WAY THE AGREEMENTS WERE WRITTEN AND CREATED SOME VERY DIFFICULT MATH AND TECHNICALLY A REPEATING 10% PRIVILEGE FEE WITH THE THIRD AGREEMENT. SO THOSE AMENDMENTS ADDRESS HOW WE WERE GOING TO APPLY THAT 10% PRIVILEGE FEE OVER THE MARKET, NOT NECESSARILY BY THE AGREEMENT. SO AS YOU SEE THE AGENDA FOR THURSDAY, YOU WILL SEE TWO AMENDMENTS AS WELL AS A RENTAL CAR CONCESSION AGREEMENT.

THE AMENDMENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL, EXCEPT FOR THE BRANDS REFERENCED IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE AMENDMENT.

AND THEY BOTH SAY AMENDMENT ONE, BECAUSE THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO EACH TO EACH OF THOSE CAR RENTALS.

SO DON'T BE A CONCESSION. THAT'S CORRECT. JUST AS A REFERENCE.

THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHAT'S THAT? THEY ARE ALL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THEY ARE ALL. YES. BUT JUST TO AVOID DIRECTOR TURNER HAVING TO ANSWER ANOTHER PHONE CALL FROM ANOTHER PERSON WHO'S LIKE.

HOW COME YOU DON'T SAY AMENDMENT ONE? IT WAS ONLY.

IT ONLY RESULTED IN A COUPLE OF HEADACHES ON MY PART IS OVER.

WE GOT THERE. YEAH. JUST AS A REFERENCE THAT THE FIXED RENT COMPARISON DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 10% PRIVILEGE FEE IS SHOWN HERE. AGAIN, UNDER THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT YEAR THAT JUST WRAPPED UP AT THE END OF JANUARY, THE RENTAL RATES WERE 194,000. ALMOST 195,000 UNDER THE NEW CONTRACT WILL BE $302,511.

THAT'S A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN 20 MINUTES. WE TOOK A BATHROOM BREAK, AND PART OF THAT IS A NEW CONTRACT GET US PRETTY CLOSE TO MARKET.

WE'RE WE ARE GETTING CLOSER. THE THE RENTAL RATE ON OFFICE SPACE IS NOT QUITE THERE, BUT I THINK THAT THE READY RETURN STALLS IS A WHOLE LOT CLOSER. AND I COULD HAVE SHOWN A BREAKDOWN OF THIS, BUT HISTORICALLY WE WERE CHARGING ABOUT 60 OR $80 PER READY RETURN STALL. SO IT'S A PARKING STALL THAT YOU PICK UP THE CAR RENTAL APP.

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THIS ONE IS A LITTLE OVER $100 PER READY RETURN STALL.

AND WHEN WE ASKED THE ENTITIES THAT WERE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE PRE-PROPOSAL MEETING TO MAKE A RENT BID ON UNALLOCATED SPACE, ONE OF THE REASONS ENTERPRISE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN THAT IS THEIR BID WITH ALMOST $200 PER RETURN SMALL, WHICH IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THE MARKET TO BE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE, MOVING INTO THE FUTURE.

OKAY, SINCE WE HAVE TIME, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

CAN YOU BACK UP ON YOUR SLIDE? I HAVE A QUESTION ON JUST ONE OF YOUR TERMS. ONE MORE. WHAT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE.

SO WE PROVIDE A MARKET FOR THE CAR RENTAL ENTITIES TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN.

AND SO FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING ACCESS TO THAT MARKET, THEY PAY PRIVILEGE FEE.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY 10% COMMISSION PAID TO THE AIRPORT RENTAL CAR RENTAL CONTRACT.

CORRECT. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE MINIMUM ANNUAL GUARANTEE AS WELL? THAT'S THE NEXT TERM ON IT. I THINK IT'S I MEAN, I CAN ASSUME WHAT THAT IS, BUT GO AHEAD.

OKAY. YEAH. SO SO ONE OF ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS $200,000 PER CONTRACT YEAR FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF ALL THE AGREEMENTS.

THAT'S THE FLOOR THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET. AND IT WAS INTENTIONALLY SET RELATIVELY LOW.

WELL, I HAD ANTICIPATED SOME OTHER ENTITIES BIDDING WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN QUITE AS LARGE OF AN OPERATOR, AND THEY JUST OPTED NOT TO PARTICIPATE, EVEN THOUGH THEY INDICATED THEIR INTEREST TO US TO COME OUT OF THERE.

COOL. THANKS. ANYTHING FURTHER? SO THIS WILL BE ON CONSENT ON THURSDAY NIGHT.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR AND I HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THE IDAHO FALLS REGIONAL AIRPORT BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I TOOK A LOOK AT THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS OF MEETINGS SINCE THE BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED BY COUNCIL IN 2023. THEY WERE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED QUARTERLY.

THREE OF THE FOUR MEETINGS WERE HELD IN 2023 2024.

THEY WERE SCHEDULED MONTHLY, EXCEPT FOR THREE MONTHS.

THAT CONFLICTED WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS, THEY BELIEVE, AND THE HOLIDAYS.

AND EIGHT OF THOSE NINE SCHEDULED MEETINGS WERE HELD THIS PAST YEAR.

WE SCHEDULED THEM MONTHLY, AND WE HELD THREE OF THE SIX MEETINGS, AND THE FOURTH IN DECEMBER WAS MOVED TO THE DECEMBER 15TH WORK SESSION.

AND HERE IN 2026, THE SCHEDULE HAS BEEN EVERY OTHER MONTH EXCEPT FOR THAT RHYTHM CONFLICTED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER MEETINGS AND SCHEDULED ACTIVITIES OF THIS COUNCIL. DICTATED THAT THEY GET ROLLED INTO THE WORK SESSION.

THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WAS, IS THAT THE BETTER PLACE FOR AIRPORT BUSINESS TO BE CONDUCTED IS IN THIS MEETING AND ON THURSDAY NIGHTS.

AND THE FUTURE OPTIONS HERE WOULD BE TO MEET QUARTERLY HERE AT THE WORK SESSION.

WE CAN PROVIDE UPDATES AS STAFF IN THE AIRPORT AT THE DISCRETION OR DIRECTION OF THE MAYOR, COUNCIL LIAISONS, OR MYSELF OR YOUR REGULAR WORK SESSION UPDATES, WHICH ARE CRITERIA BASED.

AND IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE GO, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT THOSE CRITERIA TO BE ARTICULATED, OR SOME OTHER VERSION OF THAT WHICH WOULD INCLUDE KEEPING THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED IDAHO FALLS REGIONAL AIRPORT BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETINGS AS THEY STAND NOW.

SOME OTHER ITEM THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED AT THIS POINT, OR ALL THREE OF THOSE OTHER OPTIONS.

SO THAT'S FRAMING UP THE DISCUSSION. I'M GOING TO LET YOU ALL TAKE THIS OVER NOW.

I'M HAPPY TO NOW. OKAY. TO FINISH UP. SO COUNCIL, PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO PREPARE FOR THE IDA BOARD MEETINGS, AND IT INCLUDES A LOT OF PEOPLE TO COME TO THE MEETING. I MY OPINION WAS THAT IF WE SCHEDULED SOMETHING QUARTERLY TO HAPPEN AT THE WORK SESSIONS TO GET THE FINANCIALS AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE KIND OF ISSUES COME UP IN A REGULAR WORK SESSION AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS GOING TO BE ON CONSENT OR THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION ON THURSDAY NIGHT, THAT WE WILL ACCOMPLISH AS MUCH AND LEAVE DIRECTOR TURNER IN A POSITION WHERE HE CAN GET ON TO THE AGENDA PLANNER AND CREATE A MEMO AND DO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT DIRECTORS REGULARLY DO, INSTEAD OF ANTICIPATING WHETHER THIS BOARD WILL COME IN AND AND THEN WANT TO MAKE A DECISION IN THE THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING ANYWAY, WHICH IS NOT A CRITICISM.

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WHETHER YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S JUST A CONVERSATION THAT I AM BRINGING UP AS A POTENTIAL REMAIN A REMAIN THIS KIND OF THE STATUS QUO, OR IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT AS JUST BEING PART OF THE COUNCIL COUNCILMAN FRANCIS AND I DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT, ACTUALLY, ON A TRIP TO BOISE RECENTLY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT WE'RE MEETING, WE'D RATHER HAVE A MEETING WHERE THE PUBLIC WAS MORE INVOLVED.

RIGHT. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE AIRPORT BOARD MEETINGS ARE VERY WELL ATTENDED OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT RECORDED. AND IT PROBABLY IS A GOOD IDEA TO TO HAVE IT BE A MORE TRANSPARENT AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE THING TO GO WATCH IF YOU IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE AIRPORT.

SO I WOULD AGREE THAT NOT HAVING THE REGULAR BOARD MEETING LIKE WE'VE BEEN HAVING THEM, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING. I'D LIKE THE MEETINGS IN THIS ROOM, AND I'D LIKE ALL THREE WITH THE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL UPDATES.

BUT IF SOMETHING COMES UP, WE CAN HAVE AN ADDITION TO SUCH AS NECESSARY AND THEN DEPEND ON LIAISON.

WE HAVE TWO LIAISONS. WE DO HAVE TWO LIAISONS TO GET REPORTS FROM THEM.

IF OTHER MEANS ALL THREE, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD WORK BEST IN MY VIEW AND HAVE THE MEETINGS HERE.

THAT'S WHERE I'M LAUGHING. EXACTLY. IS THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

AND I THINK THE IDEA IS, I AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF HOLDING IT IN HERE AS SOMEPLACE THE COMMUNITY IS USED TO ASSOCIATING WITH A PUBLIC MEETING AND SO IT WORKS BETTER.

BUT I AGREE THE QUARTERLIES. WITH THE OPTION OF MAYOR LIAISONS OR DIRECTORS TO SAY HEY, WE NEED TO DISCUSS SOMETHING AND THEN THE REGULAR WORK SESSION IF THERE'S SOMETHING COMING UP THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH SOONER THAN LATER.

YEAH. I MEAN, FEWER MEETINGS FOR FOR STAFF IN PARTICULAR, WHERE THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS TO BE DOING AND JUST JUST PREPARING FOR THIS.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT TIME IS ADEQUATE ENOUGH TO COVER THE BUSINESS? AND IT SOUNDS. SOUNDS GREAT. I THINK I MEAN, IT'S IT'S WORTHY OF TRYING.

YEAH. I MEAN, I LISTENED TO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO BRING TO A WORK SESSION TODAY AND IT'S LIKE, OH, WE BETTER REALLY GET THESE PLANNED. BUT BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE QUARTERLY UPDATE STILL.

I LIKE, YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHAT THE PASSENGERS ARE, KNOWING WHERE THE AIRPORT'S HEADED, ESPECIALLY AS WE GO INTO SOME CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL PIECES ALL PUT TOGETHER.

I THINK THAT THE QUARTERLY UPDATE IS IMPORTANT, BUT FOR ITEMS LIKE THIS, WHY WAIT FOR A SPECIAL BOARD MEETING? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ARE THERE DECISIONS THAT AS A BOARD, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE IN THIS TYPE OF A SETUP? NO. IN FACT, USUALLY WE JUST GET BRIEFED AT THAT AND THEN THEY COME FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT MEETING.

IN A PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY. WE USUALLY VOTE ON THEM IN COUNCIL MEETINGS AFTER WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THEM.

OKAY. SO I WILL YIELD MY. RIGHT. TO SPEAK HERE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IN A SECOND. BUT THE IDAHO FALLS AIRPORT BOARD IS NOTHING MORE THAN ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEETING UNDER STATE LAW.

SO BEYOND THAT, I'LL LET THE CITY ATTORNEY SPEAK A SPECIAL MEETING.

IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A DIFFERENT ENTITY.

IT'S JUST A CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE CALL A BOARD MEETING, BUT IT'S STILL A CITY COUNCIL MEETING HAS TO BE NOTICED JUST THE SAME AS ANY OTHER MEETING. IT'S IT'S THE SAME. AND ALL THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN PUBLIC.

I JUST I HAVE TO SAY THAT THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS. SOME OF THEM ARE JUST YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE AIRPORT FOR THAT PARTICULAR MEETING.

SO IT IS JUST WHERE DOES THE PUBLIC VENUE IN WHICH IT'S HELD? AND YEAH, AND WE'RE IN A SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM.

IT'S A LARGE CONFERENCE ROOM, BUT IT'S A SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME VIDEO RECORDING FOR THIS SUBSCRIPTION.

THIS ALL COSTS MONEY. SO IT HASN'T HAD THAT, BUT PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS ALLOWED THEM TO COME TO IT.

I PUT YOU IN THE SPOT, DIRECTOR TURNER, AND ASK IF THERE'S A SYSTEM YOU'VE WORKED WITHIN THAT'S WORKED WELL THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS. I,

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I THINK THAT AS YOU. SIX OF THE SEVEN OF YOU HAVE SEEN ME DO YOU DO.

OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, IT'S TRIED TO PUT SOME STRUCTURE AROUND THAT AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE DIRECTING THE AIRPORT, PUTTING US IN A GOOD, GOOD STRUCTURAL POSITION AS AN ORGANIZATION.

I THINK THERE'S SOME PIECES OF THAT THAT WILL NEED TO BE FLESHED OUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY FROM THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT WITH SOME OF THE BOARD POLICIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT ULTIMATELY, THE AIRPORT'S YOURS. IT'S THE CITIZENS OF IDAHO FALLS.

I WILL DO WHAT I'M DIRECTED TO DO ON THE BACKSIDE FROM THE STAFFING SIDE.

IT DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO PUT THOSE BOARD MEETINGS TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW MYSELF, THAT'S 12 TO 15 HOURS AHEAD OF TIME, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE OTHER STAFF THAT ARE GIVING YOU A PRESENTATION.

SO THERE'S THERE'S SOME SOME EFFICIENCIES BY BRINGING ITEMS HERE AND BRIEFING YOU ON THEM IN THIS IN THIS AREA ALSO, THE RESCHEDULING OF THOSE MEETINGS AT TIMES HAS BEEN A LITTLE FRUSTRATING.

IT'S LIKE, OKAY, I EXPECTED A MEETING THIS WEEK AND I'M GOING TO WAIT TWO WEEKS. OKAY, WE'LL JUST PUSH IT TO THE NEXT ONE. THAT ONE'S. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT FOR STAFF.

IT GETS A LITTLE, I GUESS I JUST. YEAH, I GUESS I TRUST THAT YOU HAVE A BOSS AND YOU GUYS ARE COMMUNICATING AND THINGS THAT ARE OF OUR NATURE THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH COME BEFORE US IN A TIMELY MANNER. YOU GET OUR ANSWERS WHEN YOU NEED THEM.

SO ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS WORK ON SOME LEVEL. OKAY.

THEN I GUESS THE THERE IS AN ACTION ITEM FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THIS ONE IF WE WANT TO MAKE THAT MORE OFFICIAL OR IF WE JUST WANT TO. WHAT WHAT IS YOUR I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DISSOLVE THE BOARD.

WE'RE THERE IS NO BOARD. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WE ARE THE BOARD. YEAH. THERE WAS I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS DONE, BUT THE FIRST BOARD POLICY THAT WAS PASSED WAS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL CREATING GREAT FALLS REGIONAL AIRPORT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE IS LINGERING OUT THERE.

MY MY SENSE OF THAT IS THAT IT LEAVES AN EXPECTATION TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S A BOARD THAT'S MEETING REGULARLY. IT'S POSTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE.

AT SOME POINT IT'S GOING TO BE FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE WITH NO END DATE, AND IT'S BECOME FORGOTTEN ABOUT.

ANY QUESTIONS? AND THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S AN APPROPRIATE ACTION WOULD BE TO RESCIND POLICY ONE RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER.

YEAH. OR IS IT POLICY ONE? RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO LOOK? WE COULD WAIT IF YOU WANT. IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, WE CAN DO THAT IN A DIFFERENT.

YEAH. I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY. I WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT SAYS AND THEN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.

OKAY, OKAY. BUT THAT WOULD BE I THINK THE DIRECTION HERE IS WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THREE.

THAT'S FINE. AND THEN IF YOU IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN SET ON THAT.

THAT'S WHERE I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT FOR, FOR STAFF PURPOSES, MAYBE LEAVING IT BE THE SEATTLE WORK WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER OPTION.

BUT TO ME THAT RUNS THE RISK OF IT GETTING FORGOTTEN ABOUT, EVEN THOUGH I WON'T FORGET ABOUT IT.

WELL, FRANCIS AND I ARE. REALLY? YEAH. WE WILL.

WE'LL BRING IT. YEAH. WE'VE GOT TWO AIRPORT LIAISONS AND TWO LEGAL LIAISONS, SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE, AS WE WORK THROUGH THE NEXT 6 TO 9 MONTHS, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WORKING THE WAY THAT WE INTEND IT TO WORK.

OKAY. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR. I GUESS I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

THERE'S NO ELEMENT OF AIRPORT OPERATIONS THAT.

YOU LOOK TO OUTSIDE GROUPS, YOU GO, YEAH, WE HAVE AN AIRPORT BOARD.

THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT IN THAT RESPECT. JUST SAY IT'S COUNCIL.

DOES THAT QUESTION MAKE SENSE? THE THE ELEMENT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE.

RIGHT? RIGHT. WHAT THAT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE IS REALLY UP TO YOU.

THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF LAWS YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT WHETHER THAT'S IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HOUSED IN THE CITY COUNCIL.

HOW'S THAT? YEAH. IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS COMING TO US

[City Attorney, CDS]

WE WELCOME DIRECTOR CENTER AND DIRECTOR JONES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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I TRIED TO CAPTURE WHAT CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION WAS AND KIND OF THE GENERAL THRUST.

I WAS GIVEN DIRECTION FROM INDIVIDUAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET AS THE THE SPECIFIC REASONS, I SHOULD SAY, HAVE NOT BEEN ADOPTED AS A BODY.

I DID ADD ONE THAT SEEMED CONSISTENT WITH CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS YOUR DECISION.

PLEASE, AS WE GO THROUGH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU AGREE WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE FACTUAL FINDINGS AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE LEGAL CONCLUSIONS.

I DON'T WANT TO BE PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. NOW, COUNCIL MEMBER LEE BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T THERE.

I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD PARTICIPATE MATERIALLY IN THE RECENT STATEMENT.

YOU CAN STAY HERE AND JUST. AND JUST TALK OR NOT.

NOT TALK, BUT JUST OBSERVE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS JUST IT'S SIMILAR TO A JUDGE WHEN THERE'S A PANEL OF JUDGES AND THREE JUDGES GET TO HEAR ARGUMENT ON SOMETHING.

TYPICALLY, THE FOURTH JUDGE, IF THERE'S A FOURTH JUDGE, DOESN'T PARTICIPATE, THAT FOURTH JUDGE WASN'T THERE. THEY DON'T GET TO PARTICIPATE IN WRITING, AND THEY DIDN'T GET TO SEE ALL THE EVIDENCE. THEY DIDN'T GET TO SEE THE ARGUMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU DON'T PARTICIPATE BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T THERE FOR THE MEETING.

SO WE'LL SEE IF I CAN BE QUIET. OKAY. I MAKE NO PROMISES.

THAT'S NOT YOUR NATURE. NO, IT IS NOT. OKAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO JUST.

I WAS JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS AND KIND OF EXPLAIN THE REASON STATEMENTS WE GO THROUGH.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR. FIRST OF ALL, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS? OTHERWISE, MY PLAN WAS JUST TO GO THROUGH THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT HANGS TOGETHER THE WAY YOU WANTED IT TO. CAN WE SAVE TIME AND SEE IF.

I MEAN, DO WE REALLY NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS LINE? WELL, I THINK IF WE START WITH A THE PROPOSED PUD AND START GIVING THE REASONS WHY, INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF ALL OF THE OTHER FACTUAL FINDINGS YOU'D LIKE ME TO EXPLAIN, I CAN JUMP, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THINK. THE FACTUAL FINDINGS ARE ACCURATE.

OKAY. BUT AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT THE REASONS STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UNDER THE RELEVANT CRITERIA AND STANDARDS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO BEGIN.

OKAY. YEAH. SO THIS IS A SECOND PAGE STARTING ON THE SECOND PAGE.

AND THE WAY I DRAFTED THIS IS TO HAVE AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING IF YOU AGREE WITH I'M MAKING IT SO THERE'S SEVERAL INDEPENDENT BASES TO DENY IT ON. RIGHT. THAT THEY'RE NOT MIXED IN WITH EACH OTHER.

SO IF IT GOES ON APPEAL THE COURT CAN SAY, WELL, EVEN IF EVEN IF WE FAIL ON ONE OF THESE, WE CAN UPHOLD IT ON THE OTHER. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN I WRITE SOMETHING FOR A COURT, I'M TRYING TO FIND AS MANY INDEPENDENT BASES AS I CAN SO THAT ON APPEAL, WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER SPOT.

SO THE FIRST BASIS FOR DENIAL THAT I GLEAN FROM COUNCIL IS THAT THE THE RULE THAT IT'S UNDER TWO ACRES, RIGHT. AND THAT IS THE MINIMUM SITE SIZE FOR A PUD.

SORRY. BUT THERE IS AN EXCEPTION. IT MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR PUD FOR SMALLER ACREAGE, MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR PUD ONLINE, THAT THE LAND THAT THE COUNCIL FINDS IS REDEVELOPING OR PROVIDES A PUBLIC BENEFIT, BENEFIT OR AMENITY.

AND SO THE FIRST PART OF THIS DRAFT BASICALLY SAYS THAT WORD MAY INDICATES DISCRETION THAT EVEN EVEN IF THERE WAS A EVEN IF IT WAS REDEVELOPING OR EVEN IF IT PROVIDES A PUBLIC AMENITY, IT'S STILL WITHIN COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.

AND THAT COUNCIL IS JUST SAYING, NO, IT'S UNDER TWO ACRES AND WE'RE DECLINING.

THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECLINING TO EXERCISE ITS DISCRETION TO GRANT THE EXCEPTION, EVEN IF IT WAS OR EVEN IF IT WAS A PUBLIC AMENITY.

SO WE'RE WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION AND WE DON'T GRANT IT.

DO WE HAVE TO PROVIDE REASONS? WE DID. THE EXCEPTION IS AN EXCEPTION.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. IS THAT ADEQUATE? THAT'S IT.

THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE. AND THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS, IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT I KNOW.

COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS HAD INDICATED HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS REDEVELOPING.

THAT'S WHY HE HAD THAT FINDING AND JUST NOT REDEVELOPING IT DID NOT THINK IT WAS MET THE STANDARDS OF REDEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT. I WILL ALERT THE COUNCIL. THERE IS A DEFINITION OF REDEVELOPING AND AND IT FITS THE DEFINITION, DOESN'T IT? WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT I. WE'LL GET THERE IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP.

EMILY. THE DEFINITION OF REDEVELOPMENT. GO TO PAGE TEN.

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SO REDEVELOPING IS ANY PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED OR SUBDIVIDED AND TO WHICH MUNICIPAL WATER, SEWER, POWER, POLICE, FIRE AND OTHER SERVICES ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE.

BUT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN BUILT UPON. SO IT CAN BE REDEVELOPING EVEN IF IT'S NOT BUILT UPON OR WHERE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE VACANT OR UNDERUTILIZED, AND WHERE NEW BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES INTENDED TO TAKE PLACE. THE REASON THAT I THOUGHT THAT DIDN'T APPLY IS THAT PROPERTY, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS PRESENTED, BELONGED TO THE CHURCH, AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THE CHURCH TRIED TO DEVELOP IT.

WAS IT EVER PLANNED? NO EVIDENCE IN MY MIND THAT ANYONE TRIED TO DEVELOP IT UNTIL THE PUD PEOPLE CAME FORWARD.

BUT IS THAT DOES THAT SAY THAT IT HAS TO HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTED? NO, IT JUST HAS TO HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED OR SUB OR SUBDIVIDED.

RIGHT. BUT IT SAYS BUT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN BUILT UPON.

SO IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN SUBDIVIDED.

SO IT'S REDEVELOPING IF IT'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED OR PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED.

SO IT COULD BE JUST IT COULD BE UNDEVELOPED. BUT SUBDIVIDED.

AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT BEEN BUILT UPON, IT'S STILL CONSIDERED OKAY.

AND IT SAYS VACANT RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT. I JUST THINK WE WANT THIS TO BE BROAD, PROBABLY UNRELATED, BUT YOU WANT AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT, FOR TAXING, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE MORE CHOICES. IN THAT SENSE, IT COULD BE ESSENCE.

IT COULD BE GREENFIELD AS WE TYPICALLY REFER TO IT, AS LONG AS NOT GREENFIELD BUT JUST UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY THAT HAS THE CITY SERVICES SUBDIVIDED. CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS THE PART THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN SUBDIVIDED.

DIDN'T HAVE TO BE BUILT ON. WHERE IT CAN BE A VACANT.

VACANT BUILDING AS WELL ON THE PROPERTY OR UNDER UTILIZED IN TERMS OF OCCUPIED.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS, THOUGH? THERE'S SOMETHING AWKWARD IN THE WORDING, IN MY VIEW, OF FOUR AND FIVE.

OKAY. IT'S ALMOST AS IF IT WOULD READ BETTER IF FIVE NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER FOUR WAS NUMBER FIVE, BECAUSE FIVE EXPLAINS THE THE IDEA THAT COUNCIL MAY ALLOW FOR FEWER THAN TWO ACRES TO BE DEVELOPED AS A PUD. AND THEN THERE'S AN EXPLANATION OF THAT.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE COUNCIL DENIES THE THE PUD BECAUSE I HAD BEEN UNDER TWO ACRES, BUT THEN IT SAYS HAS DECIDED NOT TO GRANT THE EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE. BUT I DON'T KNOW. IT'S NOT CLEAR IN MY MIND AS I'M LOOKING AT IT, WHAT THAT MEANS THIS RULE.

BUT IT'S EXPLAINED BY FIVE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT, THAT'S JUST HOW I'VE BEEN TRAINED TO WRITE LEGALLY.

I STATE THE CONCLUSION AND THE OUTCOME, AND THEN I START UNPACKING THE RULE AND THEN THE REASONING AND THEN THE APPLICATION TO THAT RULE, AND THEN A CONCLUSION. AGAIN, THE REASON WHY I AND I'M OPEN TO CHANGE IT.

BUT THE REASON I DO THAT IS THAT'S JUST HOW LEGAL WRITING IS. YOU SAY THE MOTION IS DENIED BECAUSE OF THIS.

HERE'S THE LEGAL RULE. HERE'S THE EXPLANATION OF THE RULE, HERE'S THE APPLICATION OF THE RULE.

AND THEN HERE'S THE CONCLUSION AGAIN, BECAUSE WHAT THAT DOES FOR A JUDGE OR ANY LEGAL READER, WE WANT TO KNOW UP FRONT WHAT THE CONCLUSION IS SO WE CAN TEST IT AS WE'RE READING THROUGH IT.

WELL, WHAT IF THEY THEN HAS DECIDED NOT TO GRANT THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, REQUIRING THAT A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT BE MORE THAN TWO ACRES.

I CAN ADD THAT IT WOULD MAKE IT CLEARER TO ME JUST READING THAT I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THAT IDENTIFIES WHAT RULE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN EXPLAINS IT. THAT'S JUST THIS IS TRUE FRANCIS ESSAY FORM RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S EXACTLY AS I WAS TAUGHT. I CAN ADD IT THAT EXCEPTIONS ARE THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.

WELL, BECAUSE I DO SEE. BUT THE RULE IS IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN TWO ACRES.

BUT THAT'S NOT STATED IN NUMBER FOUR. YEAH. SO WE CAN GRANT AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY IN THE SENTENCE IN NUMBER FOUR DOESN'T IDENTIFY WHAT RULE TO WHICH YOU REFER.

WELL, IT DOES SAY BECAUSE THE SITE ACRES UNDER TWO ACRES.

THE SITE SIZE IS UNDER TWO ACRES. YEAH, I THINK IT'S CLEAR TOO.

BUT. OKAY. I'M HAPPY TO REVISE IT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO CORRECT ME, REVISE IT OR.

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COUNCIL MEMBER LARSON THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO ADD.

AS TO WHY WE'RE DENYING IT, EVEN IF IT WAS REDEVELOPING OR PUBLIC AMENITY.

NO, I JUST READ THAT SECTION. I THOUGHT IT SAID IF IT IF IT WAS VACANT AND HAD NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED, THAT IT WASN'T REDEVELOPMENT AND I FAILED TO RECOGNIZE IT HAD BEEN SUBDIVIDED.

OKAY. SO I THINK I THINK I'M GOOD. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED IS FIRST, IT'S SAYING NO COUNCIL IS JUST EXERCISING ITS DISCRETION.

THAT EVEN IF IT WAS REDEVELOPING OR EVEN IF IT WAS A PUBLIC AMENITY, THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD SAY NO.

RIGHT. BUT IT ALSO GOES ON LOTS AND LOTS OF TIMES IN LAW WE LIKE TO DO AN EVEN IF THAT'S WHAT NUMBER SEVEN IS, IS. AND THIS IS COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS'S DISCUSSION ON OR HIS HIS OBSERVATION ON THE JANUARY 22ND MEETING.

IT SAYS THAT IN ADDITION, THE COUNCIL HAS DISCRETION, DOES NOT FIND THAT THE SITE IS REDEVELOPING FOR PURPOSES OF CITY CODE.

2 TO 6. SUB. SUB FOR SUB A AND AGAIN, THAT'S IF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE AND COMFORTABLE SIGNING OFF ON THAT.

IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT VOTE. OKAY, SO YOU VOTED TO DENY, RIGHT? BUT WE. WELL, WE WEREN'T VOTING ON INDIVIDUAL REASONS I WAS GIVEN.

SO IT IS IT WAS A VOTE YES OR NO.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT OR WHETHER THEY WANT TO KEEP IT. I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION.

YEAH. DO WE NEED MORE THAN ONE REASON? NO, NO.

DON'T NEED IT. WELL. DEFENSIBLE. WHY? IT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID TO BEGIN WITH.

IF YOU HAVE ONE REASON AND IT CAN BE CHALLENGED, THEN YOU'RE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE. I'M NOT TRYING TO MANUFACTURE REASONS.

MY LENDING CAREER TAUGHT ME NOT TO PUT THE FIRST ONE OUT THERE BECAUSE THE GUY OVERCOMES THE FIRST AND THEY SAY, WELL, YEAH, BUT THERE'S TWO MORE. THEY GET A LITTLE ITCHY.

IF YOU SAY THESE ARE THE REASONS THAT IT DOESN'T FIT.

I THINK YOU'RE IN A BETTER POSITION SHOULD IT EVER GET BEFORE A JUDGE.

SO FOR SURE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT IN GENERAL, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY AND BLATANT, WE HAVE A STATUTE, AN ORDINANCE THAT STATES TWO ACRES. THIS DOES NOT MEET THAT STATUTE.

THAT'S A REASON. BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE WE HAVE WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED PEOPLE TO DO LESS THAN TWO ACRES PREVIOUSLY.

OKAY, WHATEVER THAT WAS FOR DIFFERENT COUNCIL AND DIFFERENT RATIONALE.

BUT IF WE HAVE LIKE I'M AGAIN, I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, RIGHT? SO WHAT? SO WHAT. I DON'T I MEAN THERE'S WHY NOT HAVE MORE THAN ONE.

AND I'M OKAY IF WE DO. RIGHT. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO LIKE, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT APPEARS TO BE CUT AND DRY.

THIS IS BELOW WHAT WE HAVE. THEY'RE ASKING. THEY'RE CLEARLY ASKING FOR A VARIANCE THAN WHAT THEY CAN DO BY RIGHT.

WE'VE SAID NO. WE DON'T THINK SO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THAT.

SO WHAT'S THEIR RECOURSE? TWOFOLD. ONE IS THE TAKINGS, RIGHT? YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF IT, THERE'S A NOTICE TO THEM THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR TAKINGS ANALYSIS.

OKAY. AND THEN IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL AND MONEY DAMAGES AGAINST THE CITY.

SECOND, THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE DISTRICT COURT AND SAY, HEY, WE THINK THEY GOT IT WRONG.

AND THEN THE DISTRICT COURT GETS TO WEIGH IN AND THEN THE STANDARD IS MANYFOLD.

BUT ONE OF THEM IS WHETHER IT'S ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS.

BASICALLY IT'S DO WE HAVE REASONS FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING OR WHAT CITY COUNCIL IS DOING WITH THE FACTUAL FINDINGS? THERE'S DEFERENCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S FACTUAL FINDINGS.

AS LONG AS THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR A FACTUAL FINDING THAT THE CITY, THE DISTRICT COURT WILL DEFER TO THAT WON'T OVERTURNED ON APPEAL.

BUT AS FAR AS THE LEGAL CONCLUSIONS, IT CAN'T BE ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS, WHICH MEANS BASICALLY WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE GOOD SOUND REASONING FOR IT.

AND OUR ARGUMENT. I MEAN, I MEAN, WE PUT IN THESE RECENT STATEMENTS, TRULY, WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE MEETINGS? I MEAN, IT REALLY IS MEANT TO BE A LEGAL RECORD OF THIS CONVERSATION AND THE DISCUSSION, AND THAT'S WHY COUNCIL AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN THERE THAT TOTALLY FINE FOR IT. IF I'M MORE FROM A STANDPOINT, IF THERE WAS ONLY ONE REASON AND IT WAS CUT AND DRY AS THAT IS, WE COULD JUST GO WITH ONE AND MOVE ON. YOU GOOD? ALL RIGHT. GOOD NIGHT. KIND OF AN OPINION. IS THERE ANYTHING TO HAVING OTHER REASONS TO PUT OUT TO THE NEXT DEVELOPERS?

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HOW IS THAT RELEVANT? I GUESS PRECEDENT KIND OF A CONCEPT.

AND I'M JUST ASKING FOR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT SUBJECT.

YEAH. SO IF BECAUSE THE FIRST STEP DEVELOPER WE'RE HAVING, I GUESS I SHOULD CORRECT MYSELF BEFORE IT GETS TO APPEAL TO THE JURISDICTION, NOT APPEAL, BUT PETITION FOR JUDICIAL REVIEW.

THE DISTRICT COURT, BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO FILE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, BASICALLY WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND THEY'LL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ARGUMENT AND ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY COULD DO IS SAY, HEY, LOOK AT ALL THESE PUDS IN THE PAST THAT YOU'VE GRANTED THAT KIND OF DID THE SAME THING WE ARE. WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE NOT GRANTED HERE? AND THEY WERE IN THE PAST, RIGHT. BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE TEEING UP TO AND THE AND THAT'S IF THAT'S THE CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE, BUT THEN THEY'VE GOT THE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE ON THE RECORD. AND THEN WHEN THEY GO TO THE DISTRICT COURT THEY SAY THIS IS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS. LOOK AT ALL THE PUDS THEY APPROVED IN THE PAST THAT WERE UNDER TWO ACRES.

THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP AS A REASON FOR DENIAL. WHY ARE THEY DENYING US? THAT SEEMS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE RISK.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I GOT ONE FOR YOU ON 18, 18.

I JUST HAVE I THINK IT'S A I THINK YOUR SPELL CHECKER GOT YOU.

OKAY. WHAT HAPPENED? EVEN IF ANY OF THE INDEPENDENT BASES SHOULD BE BASIS BASES.

OKAY. BASES IS PLURALS OF BASIS. OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. YOU WERE HOPING TO BE OUT FIRST OR SOMETHING? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO I PICKED UP ON I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BASICALLY WAS SAYING IT'S NOT.

NUMBER EIGHT IS TRYING TO ENCAPSULATE, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE SAYING THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A PUBLIC AMENITY JUST BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF SEQUESTERED OFF FROM THE SITE. SO THAT'S WHAT NUMBER EIGHT IS BASICALLY SAYING.

IT'S NOT SUFFICIENTLY PUBLIC AMENITY. AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T EVEN IF.

RIGHT. SO FIRST WE'RE SAYING JUST AS A MATTER OF DISCRETION. NO.

AND THEN SECOND SAYING IT'S NOT REDEVELOPING.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL REASONS FOR THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT THOSE ON THERE. AND THEN AND IT'S NOT A PUBLIC AMENITY.

AND THEN SO FOR BOTH THOSE REASONS. SO KIND OF I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THIS ENERGY.

RIGHT. SO FIRST REASON IS THERE'S JUST DISCRETION.

SECOND IS IT'S ALSO NOT REDEVELOPING AND NOT A PUBLIC AMENITY.

WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY COUNTED SOME PAINT ON A PUBLIC OR ON PRIVATE STREET TO BE A BASKETBALL BASKETBALL COURT AS AN AMENITY. I MEAN, IS THAT AN ALLOWABLE AMENITY? YES, IT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE AMENITY IF YOU BECAUSE IT'S IT'S ONE OF THE SPECIFIC ONES LISTED IN THE CODE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER. WE HAVE A LIST OF SPECIFIC AMENITIES.

IT WAS IT WAS A LISTED AMENITY AND AMENITY WAS THE BASKETBALL COURT AT THE I GUESS VARIATION ON THAT WAS THAT THE FIRE DEEMED THAT AS THE PROPER OR HEAD TURNER. YEAH, IT WAS THE HAMMERHEAD.

YEAH. AND BUT THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, HERE'S OUR AMENITY.

WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT A BASKETBALL COURT. TO ME, UNEXPLAINED WHAT I SAID, WHAT I SAID HERE, BUT I MEAN, PUBLIC AMENITY. WE'RE GRANTING FEWER BUILDING ON LESS THAN TWO ACRES.

THAT MEANS IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT'S A PUBLIC AMENITY, BECAUSE REMEMBER, PREVIOUSLY WE JUST HAD A PUD WHERE WE APPROVED A PRIVATE AMENITY WE ACT VERY MUCH ABOUT.

THAT. WAS THAT DOG PARK FOR EVERYBODY? NO, IT'S REALLY FOR THESE PEOPLE.

THE OTHER HOAS CAN BUY INTO IT IF THEY WANT TO.

THESE WERE OFFERED AS PUBLIC AMENITIES, MEANING FOR THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T MEET MY STANDARDS.

EXACTLY AS YOU SAID HERE. 200FT AWAY DOWN A PRIVATE ROAD.

SO, YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. IN THIS CASE, IT'S VERY SPECIFICALLY SAYS A PUBLIC AMENITY, NOT JUST AN AMENITY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? INTERPRET THAT DIFFERENTLY.

YOU COULD SAY, HEY, PUBLIC'S AVAILABLE. YOU CAN COME DOWN TO OUR AMENITY, BUT IT'S TWO MILES DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE IT.

RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY, WELL, ARGUABLY IT'S A PUBLIC AMENITY BECAUSE IT MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT'S NOT TRULY A PUBLIC AMENITY IN THE SENSE THAT CITY COUNCILS AND CONSTRUING THE WORD PUBLIC, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY IN THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE AWARE OF, BECAUSE IT'S SO HIDDEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S NOT TRULY A PUBLIC AMENITY. BUT AS I READ THAT IT WAS OFFERS A PUBLIC BENEFIT OR AMENITY, NOT NECESSARILY A PUBLIC AMENITY, RIGHT? I MEAN, I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WHEN WE WERE HAVING THAT.

YEAH. THAT CONVERSATION WAS THAT IT'S REALLY NOT A I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS AS YOU WERE DESCRIBING IT THERE.

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YEAH. BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT SAYS PUBLIC BENEFIT OR AMENITY.

SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING A CHANGE TO WHAT YOU WROTE HERE? NO, I'M JUST EMPHASIZING WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT.

WHY THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN MY MIND, FOR SURE.

I WONDERED IF WE DID TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT WAS AT THE END OF A PRIVATE STREET, AND WE DON'T MENTION THAT IN HERE AS LONG, BECAUSE AGAIN, ALL CITY COUNCIL HAS DONE AT THIS POINT IS DENIED IT AND DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE SOMETHING AND SUPPORT.

RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS MAKING SURE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE REASONS, IF ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS IDEAS FOR ONE BASIS FOR DENIAL, THAT'S NOT YET THE DECISION OF THE FULL COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, IS I BROUGHT FORWARD SOME THINGS THAT I THINK COULD PROPERLY BE BASES AND THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT NOW IT'S THIS IS THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL BODY SAYING, YES, WE'RE SIGNING OFF ON THAT PARTICULAR REASON.

THAT WAS ARTICULATED BECAUSE ONE ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER DOESN'T REPRESENT THE ENTIRE WILL OF COUNCIL.

WE HAVE NOT THERE'S NOT NOT YET BEEN A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT BASIS TO DENY ON.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE FIRST INDEPENDENT BASIS.

FOR DENIAL. AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT COMES IT'S AN INDEPENDENT BASIS BECAUSE IT'S A SHELL.

RIGHT. THE MINIMUM SITE SIZE SHALL BE TWO ACRES UNLESS AN EXCEPTION IS IF YOU DON'T NEED A SHELL, YOU'RE DONE. NOW THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE IS IT NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD? THE BASIC IDEA HERE IS THAT THERE'S AND YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE THE FACTUAL FINDINGS, IF WE CAN PULL IT UP NOW.

YOU CAN ZOOM IN TO THAT LITTLE ONE. OH, YEAH.

OKAY. HOW FAR DO THESE TINY. YES. IT'S TINY. OH, IT'S SO SMALL.

SO IT WON'T BE CLEAR. OKAY. JUST GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH. SORRY. WHATSAPP JUST TO SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS. WELL. ARE YOU. OH, SORRY.

I'M. SORRY. YOU'RE OKAY. THERE WE GO. NOW, THIS IS THE POINT.

YEAH. WAIT. WAIT. OKAY. TRY IT NOW. OKAY. CAN WE BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE THE BACK UP, ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN SCROLL OVER.

YEAH. AND THEN GO UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. THERE WE GO.

OKAY. TRY THIS AGAIN. OKAY. SO THE WAY I DEFINE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE FACTUAL FINDINGS, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS FINDING THE RELEVANT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE, KIND OF THE SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? AND THAT WITHIN THIS SQUARE THERE ARE NO TOWNHOMES, NO, NO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS.

AND THAT HERE THE PUD THAT'S OUTLINED IN RED WOULD HAVE ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

AND OF COURSE, BECAUSE THAT BECAUSE OF THAT NATURE, THERE'S NO SEPARATION BETWEEN UNITS.

WHEREAS ALL THE OTHER HOMES IN HERE, THERE'S SEPARATIONS BETWEEN THE HOMES.

AND THERE'S ALSO NO TOWNHOMES IN THAT BLOCK OUTLINE.

SO THAT'S WHAT CITY COUNCIL IS SAYING, AT LEAST A FACTUAL FINDING AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE RELEVANT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO AND THAT'S THE COMPARATOR. NOW, I WILL NOTE THERE ARE TOWNHOMES, I BELIEVE IT'S OVER HERE AND OVER HERE AND OVER HERE. RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS SAY THAT'S NOT THE RELEVANT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE CODE IS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT FAIRLY CAN BE THAT BLOCK RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A NEIGHBORHOOD IS AN ENTIRE BLOCK LIKE THAT. AND SO AND BASICALLY THIS, THIS LEGAL CONCLUSION IS BASED ON THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE ANY ATTACHED DWELLINGS IN AND AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY TOWNHOMES, THAT IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE, THAT THE CODE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF SEPARATIONS AND TYPES.

RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENCE IN TYPE BEING A TOWNHOME INSTEAD OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND NO SEPARATIONS BETWEEN CERTAIN OF THE TOWNHOMES,

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AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S A SHELL, THAT'S ANOTHER INDEPENDENT BASIS FOR DENIAL.

ANY CONCERNS THERE OR ANY CHANGES, THEN MY CONCERN IS, AS WE SAID IN THE MEETING.

SOMEBODY COME BACK. COME BACK AND BUILD DENSITY OF SIX DWELLINGS.

RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THAT THEY COULD BE ATTACHED.

IT COULD BE TWO STOREY BY THE R-1. BY RIGHT BY R-1.

IF I WERE TAKING THIS TO A JUDGE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO ARGUE THAT ONE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY DON'T NEED A PUD, THEY COULD BUILD BECAUSE.

CODE. YEAH. YEAH. AND THE PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GET ATTACHED BUILDINGS, IT'S R-1. THEY CAN DO ATTACHED BUILDINGS. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEY CAN DO TWO STOREYS. SO IT WOULDN'T LOOK THE SAME, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE DENSE THAN THE REST OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT BUT THAT'S NOT A I CAN LEAVE THIS ONE OUT.

I, I WOULD LEAVE IT OUT. I THINK IT'S KIND OF A WEAK ONE TOO.

WELL, BUT BUT IT'S NOT A QUESTION AT THAT POINT.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A DAY DOESN'T EVEN COME TO US.

RIGHT. BUT I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S NOT CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE ZONED THIS R1 AND SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR WOULD BE WOULD BE PERFECTLY ALLOWED IN AN R1 ZONE.

SO IT'S A RISKY IS, IS THAT YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HE DEFINED, WHICH SEEMS A REASONABLE DEFINITION.

THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZED AREA THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

MY POINT BEING IS WHEN WE'RE ASKED TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION, THAT'S WHAT A PA BY ITS VERY NATURE IS, IS AN EXCEPTION, THAT THAT'S A REASON THAT IT DOESN'T WORK.

NOW, IF THERE'S NO EXCEPTION REQUESTED AND THEY FIT THE ZONING RULES, THEN I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE HEADED WITH IT, BUT I, I THINK THIS IS STILL LEGITIMATE IN THIS CONTEXT BECAUSE IT'S A PUD, NOT SOMEBODY JUST BUILDING BUILDINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE WELL, I MAY BE MISREMEMBERING, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE DURING THE MEETING WE HAD A SHORT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN? CHARACTER. HOW DOES IT WORK? CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? COMPATIBLE. COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. NEIGHBORHOOD. WHETHER THAT WAS.

WHETHER THAT COULD EVEN THAT COULD STAND UP OR WORK.

IT'S A IT'S A TO ME, IT'S MARGINAL. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.

OKAY. IT'S A BAKERY IN MY MIND. WHAT'S CONSISTENT WHEN IT'S ON THE FLOOR, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO AND HOW THEY VIEW IT.

I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO WHAT'S HERE. AND I'M HAPPY TO.

I WAS AGAIN, I WAS JUST PUTTING SOME OF THESE. I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE DURING THE DISCUSSION.

SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IT IN. I'M HAPPY TO WITHDRAW IT OR HERE ARE THE MINUTES.

SO.

IS THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE TESTIFYING DID THAT? YEAH.

WHAT WERE SOME OTHER WORDS? IN THE TESTIMONY? THE WORD CAME UP FOR SURE, AND I THOUGHT I HAD CITY COUNCIL.

WE DID. WE HAD THE CONVERSATION AND ASKED WHETHER THAT COULD BE ITS OWN STATEMENT OF RELEVANT CRITERIA TO DENY IT. AND I REMEMBER AS I REMEMBER IT, YOU HAD SAID YES.

AND THEN I QUESTIONED THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T I DIDN'T FIND THAT TO BE A VERY STRONG ARGUMENT THAT YOU COULD JUST SAY IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT'S NOT RELATIVE. IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE.

I FELT LIKE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT BACKS OUT OR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE STREETS ARE PULLING INTO.

SO I, I THINK IT WAS JUST A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS REALLY IF THAT COULD STAND ON ITS OWN.

AND THE OPINION WAS, YES, THAT COULD IT WAS PART OF OUR.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, THIS IS IF CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE.

AND THAT'S FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE. YOU CAN MAKE A STATEMENT THAT YEAH I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT

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AND I THINK IT RUNS THE RISK OF FUTURE. WE COULD LOSE THAT ONE.

YEAH, THAT ONE COULD BE CHALLENGING. YOU WANT TO WAIT? OKAY. HOW DID HOW DID YOU FEEL? YOU HAD THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

I VIEW IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT I. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GIVING IT OUT.

YEAH, I'VE BEEN LIVING IT OUT. WE SPENT ENOUGH TIME ON THIS ONE.

SO. YEAH. NO OBJECTION. I'LL TAKE IT OUT. YEAH.

YEAH. AND I PROBABLY ALSO TAKE OUT THE RELATED FACTUAL FINDINGS.

YES YES, YES. THEN SO WE'VE GOT ONE OTHER CATEGORY.

WE'VE GOT THIS. YEP. THIS ONE I JUST PUT IN. THIS WAS KIND OF JUST AS I WAS GOING THROUGH IT.

I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH ALL THE FACTORS. THIS IS ONE ENTIRELY UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WHETHER YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD REASON OR NOT.

IT'S NOT AN INDEPENDENT BASIS BY ITSELF. IT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF LIKE A OH, AND SORT OF I GUESS SORT OF FACTOR.

IT'S NOT A SHALL, IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER.

AND BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THAT ONE OF THE PURPOSES IS TO PROVIDE ATTRACTIVE STREETSCAPES THAT ARE NOT DOMINATED BY PARKED VEHICLES OR GARAGE ENTRANCES. THE IDEA IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE MORE THAN HALF A LEASE ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS GOING TO BE PARKED VEHICLES, PARKING GARAGES, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IS YOU KNOW, BUSHES AND STUFF CLOSE TO THE NORTH PART OF THE SOUTHERN.

THE SOUTHERN PART IS PRETTY MUCH ENTIRELY EXCEPT FOR THE BASKETBALL COURT, OR IT'S PRETTY MUCH ENTIRELY PARK SPACE.

IT FELT LIKE IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL THRUST OF COUNCIL'S COMMENTS, BUT AGAIN, HAPPY TO TAKE IT OUT IF CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO MAKE THIS CONCLUSION BINDING. I'M GOING TO THROW THIS OUT THERE AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT IT IN HERE.

BUT WHEN WE DID DELIBERATION, ONE OF THE TURNING POINTS FOR ME WAS WHEN COUNCILOR FREEMAN SAID I WOULD NOT WANT TO TURN A FIRE TRUCK AROUND.

AND HE SAID, IF SOMEBODY PARKS ON THAT STREET, YOU WON'T GET A TRUCK BACK.

THAT'S ALMOST A DIRECT QUOTE IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT THAT IN HERE.

THAT WAS THE REASON FOR IT. ONE REASON FOR THE DECISION THAT, LIKE YOU SAY, THE PARKING ON THE STREET, EVEN IF THEY SAID THERE'S NO PARKING ACROSS FROM THE DRIVEWAYS, IF A CAR WAS PARKED THERE, NO FIRE TRUCKS GOING TO GET DOWN THAT STREET, QUOTE UNQUOTE, I BELIEVE.

IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY.

THAT WAS A CRUCIAL POINT. ALL IT WOULD TAKE IS ONE CAR TO BE PARKED IN THE WAY.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A FIRE TRUCK DOWN THE STREET. IT'S PARKED.

ON THE PRIVATE STREET. AS I LOOKED AT IT, THAT'S TRUE IN EVERY COMMUNITY WE'VE EVER DONE.

YEAH. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN A PART OF THE ONES THAT I DRIVE AROUND AND SEE IF YOU PUT ONE CAR IN THERE.

I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOUR POINT. YEAH, BUT WE IMPROVED A LOT.

BUT LOOK, WE DON'T KNOW THAT. AND THE REASON I DIDN'T GO THERE IS BECAUSE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD SIGNED OFF ON IT.

SO I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD SUFFICIENT FACTS TO MAKE FACTUAL FINDINGS.

WE'VE JUST GOT TO GO THROUGH THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE THOSE FACTUAL FINDINGS ARE THERE. THE FIRE TRUCK, DESPITE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO MAINTAIN. AM I HAPPY TO DO IT IF OUR FIRE. IF OUR FIRE. YES. ON IT. I THINK IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE A FACTUAL FINDING THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND FACTS IN THE RECORD TO SAY YES.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR A TRUCK. AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO FIND THOSE FACTS WHEN FIRES SIGN OFF ON IT.

BUT YOU COULD DO IT IF YOU WANT TO. BUT WE'D HAVE TO THINK HARD.

ABOUT WHAT? FACTUAL. I GUESS I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO OTHERS ON THAT ONE.

WHETHER THIS EXPRESSES WHAT WE DELIBERATED OR NOT.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING. I'M SORRY.

EVERYTHING IN THERE THAT WE DELIBERATED. WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE BUT SUFFICIENT REASON TO HAVE DENIED IT, BASICALLY. AND I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT WITHOUT ADDING ANYTHING TO IT.

OKAY, SO YOU WOULDN'T PUT THESE 15, 16, 17 IN OR YOU WOULD.

YEAH. I'M NOT CLEAR. WELL, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THERE.

OKAY. SO JUST LEAVE THIS THE WAY IT STANDS. JUST TAKE OUT THE ONE THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY, YEAH. THAT'S FINE.

HOW ABOUT C INTERSECTION C WITH THE STREETSCAPE.

DO YOU WANT THAT LEFT HAND OR. YES I LIKE THE STREETSCAPE.

YEAH. LEAVE IT IN. OKAY. THE RISK OF OVERTHINKING THIS.

AND IF YOU THINK I'M OVERTHINKING IT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I CAN BACK AWAY.

IT STRIKES ME THAT THE IDEA THAT THE STREETSCAPE DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT GARAGE ENTRANCES,

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BUT THE ENTRANCES DOES NOT WEAKEN THAT ONE AT ALL.

OR IT MIGHT JUST THINK IT IS. THE WORDING OF OUR ORDINANCE IS PROVIDE FOR ATTRACTIVE STREETSCAPES THAT ARE NOT DOMINATED BY PARKED VEHICLES OR GARAGE ENTRANCES.

OKAY, SO IF THEY'RE DOMINATED BY GARAGE ENTRANCES, THAT WOULD ALSO NOT FULFILL THAT PURPOSE.

YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. OKAY.

OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S ABOUT IT. I'VE GOT MY DIRECTION.

SO. WE'LL SEE THIS ON THURSDAY THEN. YES. OKAY.

ON. ON CONSENT. ON. IT'S WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.

I'M GOOD WITH CONSENT. OR IT'S POSSIBLE THAT I WORD IT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I TAKE IT OUT, SOMETHING CHANGES THAT YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH. AND WE NEED TO REVISE IT FURTHER BEFORE LET'S TAKE THE CHANCE THAT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ON CONSENT. THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF WE TOOK THOSE ON CONSENT BEFORE I THOUGHT, WELL, WE HAVEN'T DONE VERY MANY WHERE WE'VE DENIED AND THEN GET BROUGHT BACK.

IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THIS ONE IS NOT CURRENTLY ON CONSENT.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT. PROBABLY BE BETTER TO HAVE IT NOT ON CONSENT.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LEGALLY REQUIRED, BUT I THINK THAT GIVES IT THE.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT ADVICE AS WELL. OKAY, SO I WILL HAVE LEGAL BRING THIS FORWARD ON THURSDAY RATHER THAN CVS.

IS THAT OKAY. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE WE'LL HAVE THAT PRESENTATION BROUGHT TO US BY LEGAL COUNSEL.

I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION. AGAIN, JUST BIGGER PICTURE.

SO AS COUNCILMAN FRANCIS SAID, I RIGHT THEY COULD COME INTO THIS AND THEY COULD BUILD SIX UNITS.

IS THAT WHAT WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED PER ONE ACRE? YEAH. SO BY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE COMING IN THERE WITH A PUD, THEY ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO WHAT THEY CAN DO BY.

RIGHT. CORRECT. YES YES, YES. SO AS COUNCIL RIGHT, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A REASON TO DENY A VARIANCE TO OUR OWN CODE. YES. WE CAN'T JUST SAY NO.

WE WE DON'T THINK THAT FITS. WELL, WE CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE DON'T THINK THAT FITS, IS LIKE, IT'S NOT AT ALL THE SAME. RIGHT? CAN WE NOT JUST SAY YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING CODE, THEREFORE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE AS PART OF OUR CODE, WE HAVE TO ARTICULATE WHAT PART OF THE CODE THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW IN THE FACTUAL FINDINGS FOR WHY THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THAT PART OF THE CODE. SO THE TWO ACRES MEETS THAT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE COMING IN BELOW THE TWO ACRE MINIMUM THAT WE HAVE REALIZE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR IT, AND THEY CAN ASK FOR ANYTHING THEY WANT.

RIGHT? AND THEY DID. THEY ASKED FOR A VARIANCE, THE BOUNDS OF THE ORDINANCE.

THEY CAN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING. THEY CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER IN THE BOUNDS OF THE PD.

AND IF THIS HAD BEEN A DIFFERENT SHAPE, A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT WAS 1.86 ACRES.

MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT IT. MAYBE. YEAH.

I'M JUST SAYING AGAIN, JUST BIG PICTURE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PD AS PART OF OUR.

I LIKE THAT THOUGH, BECAUSE THE VERY CONCEPT OF A PD IS AN EXCEPTION TO IT.

YES. AND THAT'S KIND OF YOUR POINT IS DO WE HAVE TO HAVE REASONS? I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE THAT NOW, BUT I'VE THOUGHT THAT SAME THOUGHT AND MAYBE TO HELP YOU TOO.

IT ALSO COMES AT A LOOP BECAUSE IF YOU GET A CHALLENGE, YOU'RE SUSCEPTIBLE FOR A TAKINGS CLAUSE IN THE FIFTH AMENDMENT.

SO THEN YOU'RE YOU'VE OPENED YOURSELF UP TO LIABILITY.

YES. BUT IF WE HAVE BY WE HAVE OUR CITY ORDINANCES THAT STATE AND LAY IT ALL OUT AND THEY THEY KNOW THEY ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO THE CODE, RIGHT? WHY WOULD WE BE FORCED TO SAY, YEAH, WE HAVE TO GRANT YOU THIS VARIANCE? BECAUSE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

SO I THINK THIS IS WHY IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ACTUALLY WITH OUR PD.

THESE ARE THE VERY QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT SHOULD COME.

I ACTUALLY WILL BRING THIS UP BECAUSE THIS IS A QUESTION AND I DIDN'T I WANT TO BE CAREFUL IN SAYING THIS BECAUSE IF THIS GOES OUT INTO A PEAL, I THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE IT'S BETTER HELD IN THE WORK SESSION PUBLISHED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT PEDS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT PULLS US BACK TO THE TO THE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH GOOD QUESTIONS. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE YES, WE WANT ANSWER ON.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH I'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, IF THE REST OF YOU WOULDN'T VOTE AGAINST IT IF YOU WENT BACK TO FOUR AND WE EXPLAINED WHAT RULE WE'RE REFERRING TO.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY? SURE. WHERE IT SAYS, DECIDE NOT TO GRANT THE EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE.

DID THE EXCEPTION TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE TWO ACRES? YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE. I'D RATHER BE SPECIFIC.

SO INSTEAD OF NOT GRANT THE EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE INSTEAD OF THAT, BUT NOT GRANT THE EXCEPTION TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE MORE THAN TWO ACRES.

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THAT IS MORE CLEAR. YOU WILL HUMOR ME. YOU'VE EARNED THE RIGHT.

OKAY. WE DO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. REALLY? QUICKLY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE. THANK YOU. WE. I SHOULD HAVE SAID THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD.

[Mayor]

AS FAR AS ANNOUNCEMENTS, EVENTS AND CALENDARING, I DO HAVE ONE.

IF YOU KNOW IMMEDIATELY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR YOU, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW.

I'M LOOKING TO MAKE THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES MEETING RATHER THAN A FULL DAY MEETING SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY TO LOOK AT MARCH 13TH.

IT'S A FRIDAY. IT'D BE THE MORNING AND THAT WOULD BE A CHANCE FOR US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT COUNCIL PRIORITIES, WHERE THEY CURRENTLY DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY RESIDE IN AND BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON THOSE PRIORITIES, MAKING SURE THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR CURRENT PRIORITIES AND ANY NEW PRIORITIES THAT WE MIGHT BE CONSIDERING FOR AS WE GET READY FOR BUDGET SEASON. SO THAT WOULD BE THE MORNING OF MARCH 13TH TO HAVE COUNCIL PRIORITIES DISCUSSION.

DAWSON YOU'RE OUT. SHE KNOWS IS THAT WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER LARSON IS SERVING IN BOISE.

YEAH. YEAH. WELL, AND I WAS GOING TO COME HOME THAT DAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A FLOOR SESSION THAT MORNING.

OKAY. I'M PRETTY MUCH OBLIGATED TO TO BE THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER LARSON IS FILLING IN FOR OH, ERICKSON.

ERICKSON. THANK YOU. IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT WEEK IS IF WE COORDINATE.

WELL, DOES THE 13TH. WHAT ABOUT IT? I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS ANOTHER TIME.

AND HERE'S THE REASON WHY THE ERP IS REALLY AFFECTING THE BUDGET IN JUNE.

SO A LOT OF THE BUDGET WORK IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE IN APRIL, BUT THE DIRECTORS TYPICALLY DO IN MAY BECAUSE FINANCE IS REALLY HELD UP IN JUNE.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUSH IT INTO A TIME WHERE WE CAN STILL IDENTIFY COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND HAVE THEM READY FOR DIRECTORS TO INCORPORATE INTO THEIR BUDGET.

YEAH. SEE THAT I ACTUALLY NEED TO BE THERE ON MONDAY THE 16TH AS WELL FOR A FLOOR SESSION.

OKAY, THERE'S A FAIR CHANCE THERE WON'T BE A FLOOR SESSION ON FRIDAY, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE YOU'LL BE.

YEAH, SO I'M NOT SURE I REALLY HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR YOU OTHER THAN YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN BE HOME, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOUR HOUR DRIVE AND A FOUR SESSION LOST TWO ONE, 04:00, 205.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW SHINY THAT IS. YOU'D BE COOKED.

I HAVE COUNCILOR LEE OUT ON THAT NIGHT BEFORE.

ARE YOU HERE ON FRIDAY THE 13TH? BECAUSE I HAVE YOU AS BEING OUT ON THE.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ON FRIDAY THE 13TH.

WE HAVE TWO FRIDAY THE 13TH THIS MONTH. I MEAN, THIS YEAR I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE CALENDAR.

LET'S SEE. OH, YOU'RE RIGHT, I AM OUT. NOW. THE OTHER THING IS, WHAT ABOUT THE SIXTH? 6TH OF MARCH. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT AN AFTERNOON ZOOM? AND DURING THAT WEEK OF THE NINTH, WE HAVE WE HAVE OUR WORK SESSION ON THE NINTH.

OH. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. FOR THE WEEKEND, I WAS THINKING, LIKE, WELL, YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT ON THE 12TH.

THAT WOULDN'T WORK. 13 SOUTH WEDNESDAY, THE 11TH.

MAYBE I COULD DO WEDNESDAY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON? THE 11TH? CORRECT. YOU KNOW, LIKE AT 1:00 OR SOMETHING? HOW MANY? HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED FOR IT, DO YOU THINK? I THINK I THINK IT HERE'S WHAT I, HERE'S WHAT MY SENSE IS.

MY SENSE IS THAT LAST YEAR WE WERE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH COUNCIL PRIORITIES.

AND THEN THE BUDGET BLEW UP ON US, AND WE NEVER REALLY CIRCLED BACK AROUND TO FIGURING OUT COUNCIL PRIORITIES.

AND THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME. YEAH, A LITTLE DETOUR OF OUR LAST COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT HAVEN'T HAD QUITE THE REPORT AND

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BUT I MEAN, IT WAS A CRAZY YEAR FOR LOTS OF REASONS.

SO I DO THINK THAT A COUPLE OF HOURS, IF ESPECIALLY IF WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF PREP PRIOR THAT SAYS HERE'S, HERE'S THE PRIORITY, HERE'S WHERE THE WHAT THE STATUS IS OF IT, AND GET THE DIRECTORS TO REALLY HAVE A FIRM VISION ON ON WHAT PRIORITIES THEY'VE BEEN ASSIGNED. AND, AND A STATUS REPORT ON THEM.

AND THEN COUNCIL CAN SAY, YES, CONTINUE WITH THAT PRIORITY AND INTRODUCE SOME NEW PRIORITIES.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE, JOHN, WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, IMAGINE IF COMING IN MAYBE AND SAYING YOU KNOW GO THROUGH AND THAT WAS YOU COULD HAVE THAT DONE BEFOREHAND. WE COULD BE REDOING IT. AND THEN WHEN WE SEE THAT THERE'S ONLY 5 OR 6 THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A HEAVY LIFT FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, MOSTLY BECAUSE THE ATTEMPT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL GETS THE BUDGET THE FIRST PART OF JULY. IF WE PUSH EVERYTHING DOWN INTO MAY, COUNCIL IS NOT GOING TO GET THE BUDGET UNTIL MID-JULY, JUST BASED ON WHEN THE ERP LAUNCHES. SO WE'RE TRYING TO WE'VE GOT A FRONT LOAD THE BUDGET THIS YEAR SO THAT FINANCE CAN HAVE JUNE TO WORK.

I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE ERP. I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUSHING FOR EARLIER, AND YET THEN WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE WEEKS TO HEAR THAT TO GET THE REAL NUMBER, THEN YES. IS IT BENEFICIAL TO US TO I MEAN, WE'RE CAPABLE OF PULLING THIS OFF IN AUGUST.

WELL, WE ACTUALLY WORKED THROUGH THAT CALENDAR.

WE CAN WE CAN LOOK BACK THROUGH IT. IT IT MEANT TO HAVE THAT WITH YOU.

WE WERE GOING OVER. IT MEANT LIKE COUNCIL WOULDN'T GET THE BUDGET UNTIL THE THIRD WEEK OF JULY.

WOULD GIVE US A WORK SESSION, A TUESDAY, AND THEN A WORK SESSION AND ADOPTION.

IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WOULD BE A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND IF COUNCIL WAS PREPARED FOR THAT.

BUT OTHERWISE WE TALK ABOUT THINGS ENDLESSLY AND THEN WE HAVE THIS 400,000, AND THEN WE'RE ALWAYS WAITING FOR THE PRIORITY AND THEN WE DON'T.

YES, IT'S THE TOUGH CHOICES THAT YOU MAKE. AND THEN YOU HOPE THERE'S SOMETHING OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH REAL DATA SEEMS BETTER.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY TAKE. PLUS, WE CAN SCHEDULE SOME MEETINGS IF WE NEED TO.

BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIES AND JUST YES, THIS MEETING.

BUT WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS SHE DOESN'T KNOW. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE CAN PUT IF IF COUNCIL IS FINE TO NOT GET THE BUDGET UNTIL THE MIDDLE TO THE END OF JULY LIKE YOU WOULD GET IT SOMETIME THE WEEK OF THE 12TH, 13TH, 14TH.

WE WOULD HAVE VERY LIMITED. WE'D HAVE OUR BUDGET TUESDAY ON THE 21ST.

WE'D HAVE THE BUDGET WORK SESSION ON THE 27TH, AND ON THE 30TH WE WOULD ADOPT.

IT BECAUSE ALSO WE'RE ALWAYS THE FIRST OF THE WEEK IS THE 4TH OF JULY.

EVERYONE'S GOING TO CAMP. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PAIN TO GET BACK.

I JUST THINK I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT GETS DONE BEFORE MID-JULY.

WE COULD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE KIND OF THE CONVERSATION AROUND INSURANCE PRIOR TO THIS ANYWAY.

A LOT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS DO HAVE TO HAPPEN.

I AM AVAILABLE ON MARCH 6TH. MICHELLE'S RIGHT, BUT DID YOU SAY I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MARCH 6TH THEN ISN'T THAT A FALSE. OKAY, SORRY.

OKAY. ANYWAY. WELL, I MEAN, I, I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH BOTH OF THOSE.

MY, MY INTENTION IS TO DELIVER A VERY CLEAN BUDGET TO COUNCIL TO LET YOU MAKE THOSE PRIORITY DECISIONS.

BUT I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE INTENTION. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S INTENDED ANY DIFFERENT. IN SOME YEARS IT JUST DOESN'T WORK OUT.

SO THAT IS THE THAT'S THE TRUTH OF IT, IS THAT MY INTENTIONS ARE THE BEST.

AND SOMETIMES I'D RATHER HAVE THE TIMES.

GIVEN MORE TIME, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HELP US MAKE A DECISION.

THAT'S WHAT I ARGUE, BECAUSE DEADLINES ARE HOW WE USUALLY END UP HAVING TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IF AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE BUDGET.

I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS. IT WAS MY OWN THOUGHT.

TODAY IS MAYBE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE BUDGET, IF WE PULL LIAISONS IN, WHEN THEY ARE PRESENT, WHEN DIFFERENT DIRECTORS ARE PRESENTING TO THE MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH A BUDGET SEASON AS A

[02:55:01]

BUT IT'S ALSO WORRIED ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE CHOICES THEY'RE MAKING.

HERE WAS MY CONCERN IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. MY CONCERN LAST YEAR WAS THAT BY THE TIME IT GOT TO COUNCIL, A LOT HAD BEEN CUT OUT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT BUDGETS.

AND THEN WE HAD PROPOSALS, BUT WE NEVER SAW WHAT HAD BEEN CUT.

SO WE WEREN'T WEIGHING THE NEW, LIKE ZOOKEEPER AGAINST THE ELECTRICIAN.

WE WERE WEIGHING A ZOOKEEPER AGAINST WHATEVER ELSE WAS COMING UP.

AND I JUST NEVER FELT LIKE WE GOT BACK TO THE MEAT THAT HAD BEEN CUT.

AND WE WERE IN IN THE KIND OF THE NICETIES. WHAT DO YOU THINK, MICHELLE? I THINK THE ULTIMATE THINGS ARE THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, THE INSURANCE COMPENSATION AND THE WAGE INCREASE OR NO WAGE INCREASE AND THE STEPS, I THINK THEY'RE THERE. I MEAN, WE'VE ALWAYS SAID WE DON'T WANT TO BALANCE THE BUDGET ON THE BACKS OF EMPLOYEES.

THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU DO THAT IS BY GETTING ALL THIS INFORMATION OUT FRONT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO YOU TELL THEM UP FRONT, WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.

WE TELL THEM AT THIS MARCH MEETING, WE SAY, OKAY, WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE EMPLOYEES.

IF IT NEEDS TO GET TO WHATEVER PERCENTAGE WE DECIDE, AND EVERYONE KNOWS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT TO GET THAT DONE.

IS THERE ANYTHING IN AGREEMENTS, LABOR AGREEMENTS, WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO TO MANIPULATE THE AMOUNT OF INCREASE? WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN TRUE WITH OUR LABOR NEGOTIATIONS.

SO I THINK WE'RE ALL RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GO TWO YEARS OR SO, MAYBE TWO YEARS.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. AND THERE'S ALWAYS THAT CAVEAT THAT ALSO SAYS UNLESS WE CAN'T AFFORD IT TO I MEAN THAT'S THEIR POWER IS DONE BECAUSE THEY JUST DO THE BILLING.

OKAY. SO FRIDAY THE SIXTH OKAY. DOES THAT WORK FOR IN THE AFTERNOON.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCE? I HAVE A MEETING THAT I RUN EVERY FRIDAY FIRST FRIDAY OF THE MONTH.

SO I PREFER THE AFTERNOON. OKAY. PUT SOMEONE ELSE YOU WANT TO.

DO LUNCH AND DO THE WORK THROUGH LUNCH. IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU, JOHN? YEP. SO, FRIDAY THE SIXTH OF FRIDAY THE 13TH.

BRANDON. LUNCH. THAT WAY WE CAN PLAN, LIKE, A 12 TO 4 MEETING.

OKAY. THAT'S FINE. SO WE START AT NOON. NOON ON APRIL 6TH.

NO. MARCH 6TH. MARCH 6TH. CARLA WILL EMAIL. YEAH, WE'LL GET A CALENDAR REQUEST.

RIGHT? YES. I'M MESSAGING CARLA RIGHT NOW. AND I GIVE HER A HEADS UP.

WE'D HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. OKAY. 1145 TO 4 WITH 12 TO 4 WITH LUNCH.

BROWN BAG. THAT'S HOW THE BUDGETS GO. AND IN THAT WE WILL WE WILL HAVE SOME OF.

SOME WILL BE PREPARED TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE PRIOR TO BUDGET SEASON, AND IT WILL BE DEPENDENT ON MONEY AVAILABLE, BUT WE WILL.

OKAY. AND IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT IS CITYWIDE ELEMENTS TO INSTEAD OF JUST DEPARTMENTAL? YES. CITYWIDE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I STILL THINK WE NEED AN EFFECTIVE WAY ON FULL TIME EQUIVALENT, FULL TIME EMPLOYEES POSTED ON A CALENDAR OR. JUST CONTINUE TO GROW BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE. I HAVE A SPOT FOR LUNCH. OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR THE MOTION.

[Executive Session ]

SECOND. MICHELLE, WAS THAT YOU? YES. THANK YOU.

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YEAH. OKAY. FREEMAN. YES. BRADFORD. LEE. YES.

DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS I. LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES.

OKAY. ARE YOU OKAY? IF WE. OKAY. SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR COUNCIL MEETING, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.