Jan 20, 2026 City Council Work Session

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

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THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE DATE FOR THE 20TH. WHAT? JANUARY 20TH? JANUARY 20TH. YEAH. OH, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. IT IS TUESDAY. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT HOLIDAY YESTERDAY. IF WE CAN HAVE OUR CLERK ESTABLISH OUR QUORUM, PLEASE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD, PRESENT. COUNCILOR. DINGMAN HERE.

COUNCILOR. FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. LARSON HERE. COUNCILOR LEE HAD SCHEDULED A TEAMS TO BE ON, BUT HE HAS NOT LOGGED IN YET. SO I'LL MARK HIM DOWN AS NOT HERE UNTIL I HEAR FROM HIM. OKAY. YOU HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. THANK YOU. PULLING ALL THIS TOGETHER. OKAY.

[Human Resources, City Attorney]

BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD DO IT IN ADVANCE AND SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, I'M JUST

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THEY CAN. BUT WHEN WE ASK FOR DONATIONS, PART OF THAT WOULD BE LIKE LAST YEAR, WE ASKED FOR DONATIONS FIVE TIMES, AND IN THAT, WE DIDN'T QUITE GET ENOUGH TO COVER ALL OF THE REQUESTED NEED. AND SO IF PEOPLE WERE MAKING MORE DONATIONS, THE BANK WOULD BUILD UP OVER TIME. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. TO REQUEST DONATIONS. YEAH, OKAY. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KEEPS THAT AT BAY IS THE ONLY WEEK THAT AN EMPLOYEE CAN DONATE IS VACATION. YOU KNOW, IF THEY IF I'VE BEEN AT PLACES WHERE THEY CAN DONATE SICK LEAVE AND PEOPLE TEND TO BE MORE GENEROUS WITH THAT BECAUSE IT BUILDS UP OVER TIME AND THEY CAN'T REALLY USE IT, THEY CAN ONLY CASH IT OUT AT 25% OR VACATION LEAVE IS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE TEND TO CHERISH AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF IT HAS A CASH VALUE OF 100%. SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS BOTH WAYS WITH THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CONS COULD BE THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE A SENTIMENT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REGULARLY JUST USING THEIR LEAVE, THEN THEY'RE THE ONES THAT END UP WITH THE NEED TO USE A SHARED BANK WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. BUT THERE'S ALSO TIMES WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A SERIOUS EMERGENCY AND IT'S JUST REALLY, REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM GET SOME NEED. SO. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW YOU COMPENSATE FOR THE DIFFERENT GRADES OF PLACES OR PEOPLE ARE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST AN HOUR FOR AN HOUR STRAIGHT OVER, OKAY.

WE'RE NOT DOING IT. IF ONE PERSON MAKES $100 AN HOUR, DONATES TO SOMEONE MAKING $50 AN HOUR, THAT'S NOT TWO FOR ONE. IT'S JUST ONE FOR ONE. OKAY, YOU GOT AN EIGHT YEAR LEAD.

CONVERSELY, THE OTHER WAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ON THE LEAD POLICY CHANGES? I HAVE ONE MORE. IT'S NOT A CHANGE. BUT I JUST NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO LIBRARY SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. BUT THE LIBRARY IS OPEN REGULARLY ON SATURDAY. SO

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE THE PROCEDURE IS THAT WE THEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE, LIKE IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO, I WILL SEND THIS TO ALL EMPLOYEES. WE'LL HAVE 30 DAYS FOR COMMENT. IT'LL COME BACK WITH FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT SOME POINT AFTER THAT, 30 DAYS WHERE WE'LL INCORPORATE CHANGES THAT WE FEEL LIKE SHOULD BE INCORPORATED AND WE MAY FIX. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF OTHER GRAMMAR ISSUES IDENTIFIED THAT WILL CORRECT THOSE AS WELL. IF THEY'RE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO A WORK SESSION. OKAY, GREAT. BUT IF THERE IS IF IF THERE'S NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE, IF WE CHANGE SOMETHING GRAMMATICALLY, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE. SO. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO AND IF HE GETS THE CLARIFICATION ON SATURDAY AND WE JUST CROSS OFF SATURDAY AND IT'S ONLY SUNDAY,

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[Public Works]

AND I GUESS IN PUBLIC WORKS, IF YOU DON'T GET EXCITED ABOUT PROJECTS, YOU NEED TO FIND DIFFERENT TYPE OF WORK. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DO. BUT WITHIN YOUR PACKET, WE HAD SOME VICINITY MAPS THAT WOULD KIND OF DETAIL THE TWO PROJECTS THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, ONE OF WHICH IS A FEDERAL AID PROJECT, AND THAT INVOLVES ELM STREET RECONSTRUCTION. I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST AND BROUGHT FORWARD SOME STATE LOCAL AGREEMENTS AND THINGS THAT DEAL WITH IT IN PARTICULAR. BUT BUT AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S A FEDERAL AID PROJECT. SO KIND OF COVERS THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND THEN THE SECOND PROJECT THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT THAT WE HAVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH BOULEVARD AND BIRCH STREET. AND SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON ROUNDABOUTS THAT WE'VE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT IDAHO FALLS. AND I'LL CLARIFY THAT POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUTS THAT WE HAVE IN IDAHO FALLS SEEMS LIKE THE DUAL LANE ROUNDABOUTS. THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE REMEMBERED SOME OF THE VIDEOS THAT WE CREATED TO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE HOW TO NAVIGATE THOSE ROUNDABOUTS WITH WITH MORE LANES. BUT WITH THAT, OUR INTENTION TODAY WAS TO COME AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS. AND THEN ALSO BEFORE WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC, MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE AND THAT ANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU AS AN ELECTED BODY MAY HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE PROJECTS, WE CAN GET THOSE IRONED OUT BEFORE WE WORK WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO DO THAT, JUST TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND GAIN SOME INPUT ON THAT. SO OF THAT, WE HAVE. CHRIS CANFIELD, THE ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, WAS GOING TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE ELM STREET PROJECT, AND THEN OUR CITY ENGINEER, JOHN KNOWLES, WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED. THANK YOU. CHRIS, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. YOU'VE GOT THE CLICKER RIGHT THERE. OH I'VE GOT THE GLITTER. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE IN CHARGE NOW. I'M IN CHARGE. YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY, SO JUST ON THE ELM STREET PROJECT, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST AS A BRIEF RECAP, OUR FEDERAL AID PROJECTS, THERE'S A SIX YEAR PROGRAM, RIGHT? WE START OUT WITH PRELIMINARY DESIGN. SO WE DO THESE APPLICATIONS ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO FOR ELM STREET AS AN EXAMPLE. OKAY. AND WE'RE CONSTRS SUMMER BUT NEXT SUMMER. SO IT'S A IT'S A LONG PROCESS. BUT WE DO WANT TO GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS. SO WE COMPLETED OUR STATE LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH ITD IN APRIL OF 2024. WE DID A DESIGN AGREEMENT WITH PRECISION ENGINEERS IN JUNE OF 2025, WHERE WE COMMISSIONED THEM TO START WORKING ON GATHERING INFORMATION TO CREATE A DESIGN PACKAGE FOR US TO PUT OUT TO CONSTRUCTION. THE PROJECT DESIGN COMPLETION IS PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETE IN SUMMER 2026, AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS ANTICIPATED TO BE DONE IN SUMMER OF 2027. AND AMIDST THAT, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH STAGE OF THE PROJECT. BUT BUT THAT'S OUR SCHEDULE. AND THEN DESIGN ELEMENTS FOR THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ARE WE DID DO A PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT OUTREACH EFFORT. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS PRESENT TO YOU WHAT WE CALL A STORY MAP THAT WE'LL GET INTO SOME DETAILS ON. BUT WE DID HAVE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. AND THE POP IS A LEVEL TWO FOR THIS PROJECT. IT'S BASICALLY TO REPLACE THE PAVEMENT IN CONTACT WITH WITH A MORE TRAVERSABLE CROWN AS PEOPLE CROSS THE STREETS WITH THEIR ADA ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, A FEW BULB OUTS TO REDUCE EXPOSURE TIME FOR PEDESTRIANS AND IMPROVE SAFETY. AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DETAILS. AS PART OF THAT, WE'VE GOT OUR PROJECTED MAILER THAT I'LL I'LL GO INTO IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT WE HAVE HELD SOME STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEIR PRIMARY CONCERNS WERE COORDINATION DURING CONSTRUCTION AND TRY TO FOCUS ON THE SUMMER FOR CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS. AND THAT'S UP FOR ALTURA SCHOOL, WHICH IS IN THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO. THERE WAS A SIGHT DISTANCE SIGNAGE USE THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD. AND THEN

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SO THERE'S A WELCOME SECTION TO IT. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF MAPS AS WE SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

SO WE IDENTIFY WHERE THE PROJECT IS, WHICH IS BETWEEN BOULEVARD AND YELLOWSTONE OR THE RAILROAD TRACKS ADJACENT TO YELLOWSTONE. AND THEN HERE'S SOME HIGHLIGHTED COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT OR DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AT THE CONCEPT LEVEL.

AND THEN WE GIVE A DESCRIPTION AND WE GO INTO A FEW MORE DETAILS ON THE DESCRIPTIONS.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ EVERY ONE OF THEM, BUT THE IDEA IS TO ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS REMOVE THAT, WHAT THE ENGINEERS CALL A PARABOLIC CROWN, WHICH CREATES THIS REAL STEEP SLOPE AT THE SITE FOR PEOPLE TO TROOPERS. AND THEN AGAIN, OUR PROJECT TIMELINE, NOW TO THE PUBLIC AS FAR AS WHAT THEY SEE IS THEY SEE TODAY OR AND THEN SO AT THIS JUNCTURE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DESIGN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE AS WELL.

AND WE'LL FINALIZE THAT AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IN THE SUMMER. AND THEN WE HAVE A SURVEY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE RESPONSE. RIGHT. DO THEY LIKE IT, LOVE IT, DISLIKE IT. AND THEN EXPLAIN THEIR ANSWER. AND IT'S PRETTY SHORT. IT REALLY IS TO KIND OF GATHER INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.

IN A PUBLIC MEETING, IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS AN OUTREACH EFFORT THROUGH LTAC, WHICH IS OUR LOCAL HIGHWAY TRANSPORTATION ASSISTANCE COUNCIL OR PUBLIC AGENCIES THAT ARE HELPING US THROUGH THE FEDERAL PROCESS. AND OUR OUR DESIGN ENGINEER. SO THIS WEBSITE'S BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE PRECISION ENGINEERING AS FAR AS OUR OUTREACH EFFORT. THEY'VE COME UP WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT IT'S UNDER OUR REVIEW AND DIRECTION. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ON THE COMMUNICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ON HOW BEST TO TRY TO COUCH SOME TECHNICAL DETAILS TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY'LL UNDERSTAND IT AS BEST WE CAN. SO THAT'S THE OUTREACH EFFORT. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS DO OUR MAILER, INVITE THE PUBLIC TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS. WE'D LIKE TO GATHER. THE COMMENTS AREN'T PROPOSED DATE WAS FEBRUARY 15TH. TO KIND OF CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD, GATHER THOSE COMMENTS AND THEN PROCEED WITH DESIGN. AND THAT HELPS US BOTH ADDRESS ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN OUR PLAN OR POP LEVEL TWO PUBLIC OUTREACH PLAN, AS WELL AS CHECK THE BOX FOR THE NEPA PROCESS AND THE FEDERALLY DETAILS THAT THEY WOULD NEED AS WELL. SO AND THEN NOW ASIDE FROM THAT, SO THAT'S THE THE PROJECT PORTION, THE SPEED LIMIT EVALUATION, THAT FOURTH BULLET OR SUB BULLET I GUESS. WHAT WE IF WE CAN FIND THIS ONE, I'M GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. SO AS WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THEY SAID HEY CAN WE GET A SCHOOL ZONE OUT HERE? AND THEN WE LOOKED UP WHAT IT TAKES TO GET A SCHOOL ZONE. AND WE WE SUBSCRIBE TO AREA PLANS TO KIND OF HELP GIVE US GUIDANCE ON WHERE SCHOOL ZONES SHOULD BE AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

CURRENTLY ELM STREET, THE SPEED LIMIT IS 25MPH, AND WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A TRAFFIC CONTROL FOR SCHOOL ZONES AND BONNEVILLE METROPOLITAN PLANNING AREA DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU SHOULDN'T PUT SCHOOLS IN THE SAME AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE HOMES AT 25MPH. IF IT'S FIVE MILE PER HOUR REDUCTION, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EXPERIENCE ANY BENEFIT FROM IT. THAT'S THE GUIDANCE FROM THE DOCUMENT WE DID DO. AND SO WE KIND OF LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WELL, LET'S LOOK DO A SPEED STUDY AND SEE IF WE HAVE THE CORRECT SPEED LIMIT FOR THAT ROADWAY. SO WE DID A STUDY AND IT INVOLVED MULTI DAY TRAFFIC SPEED STUDY OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DRIVING THE ROAD TODAY. WELL IT WAS IN DECEMBER. SO THE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED IN DECEMBER 9TH THROUGH THE 16TH. THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED WHICH IS BASICALLY THE TARGET GROUPING OF SPEEDS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO TAILOR THE SPEEDS TO IS WAS 30MPH. SO THE RECOMMENDED EVALUATION IS TO INCREASE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT TO 30 AND THEN GIVE THE SCHOOL ALTERNATIVE SCHOOL A SCHOOL ZONE. RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD COME WITH THE SIGNING AND THE SPEED REDUCTION IN THAT AREA. SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION TO DATE. NOW THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SET SPEED LIMITS IN THE CITY.

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THE YES THERE IS A CROSSING EDGE. YEAH. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT STORY MAP. YEAH. THE CROSSING RIDGE HAS THE FLASHER. YEAH. IT HAS THE CURRENT FLASHER. AND PART OF THE COMPONENTS WAS TO MOVE THAT FLASHER ON THE SCHOOL SIDE OF RIDGE. OKAY. APOLOGIES I SKIPPED OVER THAT, BUT BUT WITHIN HALF A BLOCK BASICALLY OF RIDGE IS WHERE THAT SCHOOL ZONE WOULD GO EACH DIRECTION. AND THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER WE WOULD CARRY IT THE FULL BLOCK BECAUSE THE SCHOOL. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING CALL OUT IS. THAT'S ALTURA SCHOOL. SO THEY KIND OF ABSORB THE WHOLE BLOCK. SO WHETHER IT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO. WATER STREET WATER. YEAH. SO RIDGE TO WATER AND USUALLY IT'S A 15 TO 20 MINUTE PERIOD APPROXIMATELY WHEN THEY DO THEIR DROP OFF AND PICK UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. NOW I WILL SAY THAT THE BACKUP FOR PEOPLE PICKING UP, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING GETS ABSORBED WHEN ALTURAS PARENTS COME TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS, THEY'RE PARKING CLEAR AROUND TACOMA OR NORTHEASTERN, CLEAR ALMOST TO THE ROOF AROUND THAT CORNER, AROUND EASTERN. SO IT'S IT'S SIGNIFICANT THE QUEUE OF VEHICLES, BUT IT GOES QUICKLY AS WELL. THEY'RE PRETTY WELL ORGANIZED AND BRINGING THEM AROUND TO PICK UP THERE. BUT WHAT IS THE CURRENT SPEED LIMIT ON BROADWAY BEYOND THE TRACKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, GOES FROM ELM TO BROADWAY, SO IT DROPS AGAIN TO 25 THERE. SO YOU GET THAT LITTLE BIT OF 30 AND THEN YOU GO 25. WHAT IS BOULEVARD 3030 IT IS 30. SO YOU WOULD HAVE 30 FROM BOULEVARD TO THE YELLOWSTONE HIGHWAY. YEAH. AND NOBODY DRIVES 25 ON YELLOWSTONE. NO, NOT ON YELLOWSTONE. ON BOULEVARD. OH, SORRY. JUST THE DESIGN BOULEVARD. OR DID I SAY YOU SAID BROADWAY INITIALLY? BROADWAY FIRST. THAT WAS THE ONE I CARED ABOUT. AND THEN BOULEVARD WAS THE SECOND ONE.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WASN'T SURE IF I SAID IT. SORRY FOR PEDESTRIAN. ARE THE GREENS EXPANDING OR IS THAT JUST SHOWING? SO THE GREENS ARE SHOWING THE EXPANDED BULB OUTS BASICALLY ON THE ON THE SCHOOL SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF ELM STREET. WE LOOKED AT BOTH OUTS INTO ELM STREET, AND THEN WE EVALUATED HOW THEY DO THEIR DROP OFF AND PICK UP. AND IF WE IF WE PUSH THOSE BULB OUTS INTO ELM STREET, THEN THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING ALONG THE WE WOULD HAVE TO SWERVE OUT INTO TRAFFIC TO GO AROUND THOSE BULB OUTS. AND SO WE ACTUALLY AFTER MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL, WE PULLED THOSE BACK TO THE SOUTH TO NOT INTERFERE WITH THAT AND FORCE THOSE CONFLICTING MOVEMENTS. IT'S IT WAS DOES THAT KIND OF MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OTHERWISE YOU'LL STOP TRAFFIC IN ELM. AND THEN I KNOW WHEN WE DID THE VITRUVIAN WALKING, THEY TALKED ABOUT BULB OUTS. THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ADDING THOSE THERE TOO. PLACER. IS THAT RIGHT ON THE NORTH SIDE? YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. AND ON ALL ON THE NORTH SIDE. WE ARE DOING LOAD BALANCE BOTH INTO ELM AND INTO THE RESPECTIVE CROSS STREETS, JUST TO REDUCE THE EXPOSURE OF PEDESTRIANS CROSSING. IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE COMING OUT OF THAT THEY DID A LIKE A PRETEND. YEAH. WE PUT A STREET. YEAH I REMEMBER YEAH.

YEAH. IT WAS LIKE SIX YEARS AGO AND, BUT IT SLOWED TRAFFIC DOWN. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE WERE OUT THERE, WE CHECKED THE TRAFFIC AND IT WAS FASTER. AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT THE CONE IN THE PAINT ON THE STREET, IT SLOWED PEOPLE DOWN BECAUSE THE STREET ACTUALLY NARROWED A LITTLE BIT AND IT SLOWED PEOPLE DOWN. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THE DATA ON THE SPEED STUDY ITSELF, BUT IT WAS IT WAS A VISUAL. IT WAS JUST SHOWING US THAT IT HAS THAT GOOD. SO FOR ME, MY MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THE ACTUAL SCHOOL ZONE SIGN AND IT WOULD HAVE ONE OF THOSE BLINKERS ON IT LIKE A

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THEN THEY GOT TO HIT THAT ZONE. WHERE WOULD IT END? AND I GUESS I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT SEEMS AWKWARD TO ME. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AFTER THE PICKUPS AFTER WATER, RIGHT SOMEWHERE IN THERE. SO THEY'RE GOING BASICALLY GO FOR APPROXIMATELY A BLOCK. AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE TOTALLY SLAM ON THE BRAKE FOR THE STOPLIGHT. YEAH. AND WE HAVE WE HAVE GUIDANCE WITHIN SOME OF OUR STUDIES THAT WOULD DICTATE WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE BASED ON CROSSWALKS AND WHERE THE WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE. ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE STUDY WAS INITIATED IS SO THAT IT COULD BE REALLY SOLIDIFIED ACROSS JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES. IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH BONNEVILLE COUNTY, THEY IMPLEMENT SCHOOL CROSSWALK SCHOOL SAFETY MEASURES THE SAME WAY WE WOULD. BUT ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES THAT CAME ABOUT AS PART OF THAT STUDY WAS NOT TO MAKE THOSE IMMEASURABLY LONG SO THAT YOU HAD BETTER COMPLIANCE. SO WHEN YOU START A MILE AWAY FROM CROSSWALKS, RIGHT, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN. SO WE'RE BASICALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BETTER COMPLIANCE FOR A SHORTER AREA THAN THE LONGER DISTANCE WITH NONCOMPLIANCE.

DOES THAT DOES THAT KIND OF MAKE SENSE? SO SOMEWHERE A LITTLE BIT EAST OF RIDGE AND A LITTLE BIT WEST OF WATER IS ABOUT WHERE THAT WOULD BE FITTING. OKAY. MAKE SURE IT'S VISIBLE AND ABLE TO BE COMPLIANT WHERE YOU WANT IT AND THEN RELEASE THEM. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF FLIPPING THAT CROSSWALK TO THE OTHER SIDE. IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR KIDS CLOSER TO THE SCHOOL. YEAH, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE SHOULD INCLUDE THIS. I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS GOING TO GIVE US THE MOST PUBLIC COMMENT.

YEAH. AND IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEN WE SAID, OH, WELL, WE DID PUBLIC OUTREACH, BUT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THE THING THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST TALKED ABOUT. THEN I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THERE. AND THEN WE SHOULD FIND A WAY TO SAY, THIS IS HOW WE FOLLOWED UP WITH YOU.

AND WHATEVER MECHANISM THAT FOLLOW UP LOOKS LIKE. EXCUSE ME. OKAY, BUT YOU WOULD ENDORSE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH RECOMMENDATION AS PROPOSED, OR IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, PUTTING THIS KIND OF SLIDE WITH WHERE HOW IT WOULD BE SCHOOL SPEED INTO THAT SPEED AND THE CROSSWALK. YES, INTO THE ORIGINAL STORY. OTHERWISE WE WILL HAVE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT WITHOUT THE THING THAT IS CREATING THE MOST PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. OKAY, OKAY. AND ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT COUNCIL WOULD WANT MADE TO THE STORY MAP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON. OKAY. THAT'S COOL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WHAT DID THE PURPLE MEAN. ALL AROUND THE DIFFERENT BLOCKS THERE. YEAH. SO WATER AND SEWER THOSE ARE JUST I THINK THOSE ARE RIGHT AWAY DELINEATIONS PROBABLY PROPERTY EXISTING PROPERTY LINES. PROPERTY LINES.

YES. IF YOU DON'T WANT IT. WE DIDN'T SHOW THEM THE DETAILS OF THE UTILITIES. BUT WE HAVE THOSE. YEAH. THAT'S A NEW FEATURE ON. YEAH I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. OKAY. WHY DID YOU DECIDE AGAINST A CROSSWALK ON WATER? ARE YOU ASSUMING CHILDREN DON'T CROSS THERE OR SO CURRENTLY THERE ISN'T A CROSSWALK. AND THE CROSSWALKS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, THE EAST WEST CROSSING AND THEN WHERE THEY HAVE THE RFB AT THE SCHOOL. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CROSSWALK SHOWN ON HILL. THOSE THINGS CAN BE EXPLORED FURTHER IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR IT. TYPICALLY WILL WILL DO A STRIPED CROSSWALK WHERE WE HAVE AN ENHANCED FACILITY TO ENCOURAGE THOSE CROSSING. THIS SEEMS LIKE A GREAT ONE WHERE WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO SEE IF THE VISUAL JUST GO OUT FOR A FEW MORNINGS AND SEE IF THERE'S IF THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE, THEN TRAIN THEM BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SAFER. BUT IF THERE'S ALREADY YEAH, IT'S THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT USE THE PARKING LOT FOR THE FUNERAL HOME TO STAGE, AND THEN THEIR KIDS WALK ACROSS AT THAT SPOT. AND IT'S AMAZING THAT, THAT NONE OF THE OTHER CARS GET USED DURING THE SCHOOL DROP OFF. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY. YEAH. OKAY. PERFECT. YES. THANK YOU. NOW OUR NEXT ARE WE READY TO MOVE

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IT WILL BE LIVE ON. WE JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH YOU FIRST SO WE'LL GET WITH THEM. WE'LL INCORPORATE IT IN. OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE IT BY THE END OF THE WEEK AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND OUT, BUT WITH WITH THE DETAILS, WITH THE SPEAKING. THE WHOLE EVENT WAS REAL. BUT THE LETTER WENT IS GOING. THE MAILER. WE WOULD SEND THAT OUT. OKAY, TRY TO HAVE THAT OUT BY THE END OF THE WEEK. OKAY. SO BY THE END OF THIS WEEK OKAY. OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET COMMENTS BY THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY. BUT IF WE NEED TO EXTEND IT FOR YOUR COMFORT LEVEL WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT. SO THIS SLIDE IS FOR THE NEW BIRCH SOUTH BOULEVARD ROUNDABOUT. AS CHRIS FREDERICKSON WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, ABOUT A TWO LANE ROUNDABOUT, JUST A SINGLE LANE, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE ON ELM AND SOUTH BOULEVARD. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SLIDE. SO NORTH IS TO THE TO THE RIGHT. AND THEN THEY'RE ON BIRCH TO THE TOP OF THE SLIDE TURNS INTO THE D STREET OVERPASS. SO QUITE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FOR FOR THE AREA IS MAKING SURE TO SWEEP THE ROAD IN THERE TO, TO MEET IN AT THE CORRECT LOCATIONS TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, TO NAVIGATE THE ROUNDABOUT. PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IS WHY THE REASON FOR THE ROUNDABOUT. SO IS THIS KIND OF A INTERESTING INTERSECTION THAT CAN GET PRETTY BUSY AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY. SO. AND ALSO MAKING IT CONSISTENT WITH WITH THE REST OF THE BOULEVARD, SOME CONCERNS WOULD BE REDUCED PARKING THERE THERE ON BIRCH. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND MEET WITH THE PUBLIC AND SET UP A PUBLIC MEETING SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE CONCERNS WITH THEM AND HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND AND NEED FOR THE PROJECT. ONE THING I CAN SEE THAT PEOPLE MIGHT COMPLAIN ABOUT IS HAVING TO TURN RIGHT OFF SIXTH STREET ON THE BOULEVARD, BUT BUT IT'S WHAT, HALF A BLOCK TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND JUST GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU CAN HEAD BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE WHEN WE PUT IN THE ROUNDABOUT. YEAH.

AS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD SOME ACCESS TO SOME OF THOSE STREETS THAT WERE WE MADE CHANGES TO.

BUT THAT'S REALLY THE REASON TO GO OUT AND CHAT WITH THE PUBLIC BECAUSE FIFTH AND SIXTH, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN HOW IT WAS FIFTH STREET. WHICH ONE? SO IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND GO THROUGH FIFTH AND JUST TURN UP JUST TO THE NORTH AROUND AROUND NOW, AND SO FIFTH GOES THIS WAY AND SIX GOES, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW, ENTER BOULEVARD OFF OF SIXTH STREET. YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE A RIGHT AND HAVE TO GO OUT OF DIRECTION AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT TO GO SOUTH. A LOT OF PEOPLE I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A COMMON WAY TO GO FROM THAT STREET. I MEAN, I LIVED ON SIXTH STREET FOR YEARS AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERYBODY TURNS. RIGHT. BUT BUT IF YOU IF YOU'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ON BIRCH STREET TRYING TO GET OUT AND THERE'LL BE A FEW LEFT TURNERS THAT WANT TO GO NORTHBOUND ON BOULEVARD THAT THEN PREVENT THE THE RIGHT TURNING TRAFFIC FROM BEING ABLE TO SEE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT SURROUND THAT WOULD RESOLVE. BUT BUT WE DO FEEL LIKE IT RISES TO THE EVENT. IT'S IT'S A CHANGE IN TRAFFIC TO THE POINT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS IN A PUBLIC MEETING HELD AT A VENUE CLOSE TO THE AREA.

SO WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PURSUE AGAIN, THIS IS LOCALLY FUNDED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD IN OUR CIP THAT WE BUDGETED FOR. SO NOT NECESSARILY THE FEDERAL AID PROCESS AND DESIGN HAS TAKEN IT TO JOHN, AND HIS STAFF HAS TAKEN IT TO A POINT. WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT TOO FAR ALONG TO WHERE WE COULD CHANGE THINGS IF THINGS ARE DEVELOPED. YEAH.

WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS SUMMER.

AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS IF WE HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT UNDER CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR, WE'D LIKELY STIPULATE THAT HAPPEN AFTER THE 4TH OF JULY, AND THEN WE'D HAVE ELM STREET THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO WE WOULD HAVE TWO OF THOSE MAJOR PROJECTS IN THE SAME VICINITY OF THE TOWN IN THAT TRAFFIC. I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON THAT. THIS PROJECT IS HAPPENING FIRST THIS YEAR, THIS SUMMER, SO THAT RIDGE IS ALL DONE, AND THIS IS THE ROUTE PEOPLE CAN TAKE TO GET DOWNTOWN THROUGH THIS NEW ROUNDABOUT ON UNDER THE D STREET UNDERPASS. AND THEN ELM IS COMING THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. I JUST HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT IN MY HEAD BACK AND FORTH ON THAT.

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BUT WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC HERE, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING ALL THE TIME. OKAY, MAYOR, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. I JUST KNOW THAT THAT SOME OF THOSE GET THAT. IT'S LIKE, WELL, YEAH, WITH THE PUBLIC INPUT THIS WOULD BE REDUCED. IF NOT, THEN LET'S SHOW IT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DESIGNED. IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET CHANGED, LET'S CHANGE IT. IF WE ALREADY IF EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL ALREADY FEELS LIKE, OH YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR PEOPLE. BUT IF IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE, THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE BUILT, THEN WE CAN MANAGE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AS THEY COME. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS REALLY GOING TO HELP US IN THIS EFFORT IS THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE UTILIZING THIS THE MOST ARE THOSE THAT UTILIZE THE ONE AT ELM AND UNDERSTAND THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS WHEN WE BUILT THAT AS WELL, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE REALLY APPRECIATED THAT IMPROVEMENT. I REMEMBER THERE BEING AN ISSUE WITH THE LAB AND ESCAPED FOR LARGE LOADS. IS THAT TRUE OF THIS ONE TOO? AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE PASSED THROUGH THAT LINE ON THE FIRST ONE. THIS ONE'S FINE FOR THAT AS WELL. YEAH, SO THAT YOU GOT THE MOUNTABLE INTERIOR CIRCLE THAT TRUCKS AND LONGER VEHICLES. THAT'S THE TERM. YEAH.

THAT'S AWESOME. YEAH. SO YEAH. BUT THAT I THINK THAT WAS THE BIGGEST CONCERN ASSOCIATED WITH THE ROUNDABOUT AT ELM IS HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT GRADE FLOWS. YEAH. THAT WOULD DO THE SAME THING. YEAH. THIS WILL HAVE AN ACTUAL PARADE. THIS WILL HAVE A GREAT PARADE OUTCOME IF IF THAT'S GREEN SPACE BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THE PARADE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE WEST. RIGHT. AND THOSE LANDSCAPE ISSUES ARE THOSE THAT WE WORK THROUGH WITH PARKS.

WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU MAINTAIN FOR YOU COULD EVEN MAKE THAT A GRANDSTAND AREA, MOVABLE GRANDSTAND AREA AND STUFF. YOU COULD HAVE A COOL SPOT. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

THE BUSINESS THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF RIDGE AND BIRCH. IT USED TO BE THE INSURANCE OFFICE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW, BUT IT WAS ACROSS FROM SERENITY HALL ON BIRCH STREET AND IT'S. AND I KNOW THAT THEY THEY PARK ON THAT STREET SOMETIMES OR WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO PARK. AND I THINK SOME OF WHAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, IF I'M WRONG, IS THE ONE RIDGE, SOME OF THOSE STALLS, YOU SEE KIND OF THAT, THAT PULL IN. BUT THOSE, THOSE VEHICLES WHERE THAT PARK IS CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION, EVEN IF WE WEREN'T TO EXPAND THAT, EVENTUALLY THOSE PARKING STALLS WOULD GO AWAY BECAUSE WE NEED TWO LANES THERE. YEAH. YEAH. SO BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE IMPACTS TO PARKING, THOSE WOULD BE MEETINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE INDIVIDUALLY WITH THOSE FOLKS AS WELL, AND STILL BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM AFTER THE PUBLIC MEETING. WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT GRASSY AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE STRAIGHT ABOVE THE CIRCLE RIGHT ON THE LEFT OF BIRCH STREET? I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE WHERE WE COULD ALLOW CARS TO PARK IN THERE OR SOMETHING, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT BE LANDSCAPED. COULD IT BE OFF THE ROAD? YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. IT JUST SOME OF THE DIFFICULT WORD WOULD ENTER AND EXIT THE ROUNDABOUT. OKAY. SOME OF THE CONCERNS YOU HAVE. BUT BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TRY TO CHAT WITH THOSE FOLKS AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAKE WORK AS FAR AS THE PARKING THAT WOULD GO AWAY AND WHERE THE REPLACEMENT PARKING COULD BE. BUT THIS ALL CAME ABOUT BECAUSE SERENITY HALL IS NOT THERE ANY LONGER, RIGHT? ISN'T THERE A BUSINESS OWNER WHO WOULDN'T WOULDN'T HAPPEN OTHERWISE? ISN'T THIS BUSINESS OWNER SOME EXPANDING PLANS DERAILED? THERE'S A SITE PLAN IN FOR DERAIL. YEAH. DOES THIS CHANGE THAT ANY OR IS THE. IT'S JUST THE LINES. ARE THE LINES OKAY. WE DON'T SHOW IMPACTS TO THAT. IT'S A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I THINK THEY BUILD IT TO THE SIDE. THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE IS THOSE PARKING AGAINST THE RAILROAD. NO ONE'S EVER DECIDED WHO OWNS TO FIX THAT HABIT. IT'S A DIRT PARKING LOT RIGHT

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SO JUST ONE QUESTION. YES, A MATTER OF CLARIFICATION. THAT'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER STREET OVER.

OH IT'S ONE MORE. IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER OVER. OKAY. THANKS. THAT HELPS ME IF SOMEONE'S COMING NORTH ON RIDGE, I'M THINKING THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE. YEP, YEP. THEY GET TO THAT INTERSECTION AND THEY CANNOT TURN LEFT ONTO BOULEVARD. SO WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING THEM TO DO? THAT THEY'LL GET INTO THE TURN LANE AND MAKE A U-TURN. IS THAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN WE'RE EXPECTING? OR THEY HAVE TO TURN RIGHT AND THEN EITHER TURN ON THOSE STREETS OR THE ADJACENT. YEAH, THEY'D HAVE TO TURN RIGHT AND THEN THEY MAKE A U-TURN. WE WOULD EXPECT THAT.

YEAH. YOU TURN DOWN TO THE ROUNDABOUT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY'LL DO. I THINK THEY'LL GO TO THAT BARRIER, GET IN THE CENTER LANE AND MAKE AND TAKE A LEFT JUST BEYOND THE BARRIER. THERE'S PROBABLY SIX CARS A DAY BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY THREE HOUSES. THERE IS THE OPTION TO TURN UP POPLAR. YEAH. THAT WOULD. WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO GO TO POPLAR. OKAY. I THINK THAT WILL JUST GO EITHER WAY. THEY GO UNDERWATER OR THEY CAN GO TO THAT ENZYMES TO THAT POPLAR. AND YOU COULD ALMOST SAY, HEY, NO, NO OUTLET, ALMOST. IT'S NOT QUITE TRUE. BUT YEAH, IT WOULD GIVE THE IMPRESSION DON'T KEEP GOING. WELL THERE'S, THERE'S OPTION WHEN YOU HAVE NEW TRAFFIC PATTERN TO PUT UP SIGNS, NEW TRAFFIC PATTERN AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT PEOPLE WHO USED TO GO THAT WAY WOULD SEE, OKAY, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE WE HAVE ON AROUND 19TH ON ROLAND THAT WHERE IT SAYS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOUR TURN HERE. IF YOU'RE ACCESSING YELLOWSTONE, GET THEM TO USE POPLAR. IT WOULD BE SAFER THAN U-TURNS, WOULDN'T IT. OR AM I THINKING, YEAH. SO YEAH, WE WOULD WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT. WHAT'S THAT. WOULD YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE OTHER.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU, KIMBERLY, FOR WORKING ON THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. OH DO YOU WANT TO DO FIRST. NO. OKAY. WELL I JUST YEP I JUST NOTICED HOW QUICKLY WE WERE

[Municipal Services, City Attorney, Mayor's Office, Community Development Services]

BUT MOVING RIGHT ALONG, I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER JUST A GENERAL REMINDER, WE'VE BEEN HAVING THE IMPACT FEE CONVERSATIONS FOR A NUMBER OF MEETINGS, AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO KIND OF RESET OUR TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT. WHEN WE TALKED LAST, IT WAS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 11TH. THAT WAS ON A THURSDAY EVENING, AND WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT, AND WE HAD A PRESENTATION AND SOME REALLY GOOD PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A FOLLOW UP TO THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 5TH. WE HAD AN IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE COULDN'T CONDUCT ANY OF THE COMMITTEE BUSINESS. SO IT WAS ACTUALLY MOVED TO TUESDAY, JANUARY 13TH. AND I WANT TO THANK MY MY COLLEAGUE, DIRECTOR SANDER. HE FILLED IN FOR ME

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BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ALL PREDICATED ON US MOVING THROUGH SOME OF THESE ITEMS. I'VE HANDED OUT A COMPARISON. IT'S AN IMPACT FEE. STUDY UPDATE COMPARISON TABLE BY LAND USE.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY CRAFTED WITH THE HELP OF MAYOR BURTENSHAW, AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANT, COLIN. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS TAKE THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED AT THE DECEMBER NOT ONLY, EXCUSE ME, THE NOVEMBER 5TH PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS THE DECEMBER 11TH PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS, AND THEN PUT IT INTO SOME KIND OF COMPARISON TABLE SO WE COULD HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS POTENTIALLY ABOUT THAT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S A LITTLE SMALL TO READ ON THE SCREEN, BUT YOU DO HAVE A HANDOUT. AND THAT TABLE HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO REVIEW. AND THEN AS FAR AS REPORTING GOES, WE ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT ON OUR IMPACT FEE ACTIVITY, IF YOU WILL, QUARTERLY ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. SO SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE'VE HAD REPORTS SUBMITTED ON MARCH 20TH, JULY OCTOBER, IT WAS THE LAST ONE. AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ONE THIS THURSDAY NIGHT. IT'S ON CONSENT. IT INCLUDES THE THE ACTIVITY FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER. IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT I'M GOING TO JUST RATTLE OFF HERE REAL QUICKLY, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE FOLLOWING UP ON WITH, WITH THE COMMITTEE, WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY'VE ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT I PROVIDED IN THE REPORTS.

AND SO TJ MIGHT KIND OF ALLUDE TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT. BUT IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU'LL SEE THIS THURSDAY, IT DOES GIVE THE THE FOURTH QUARTER FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR. AND THEN ALSO INCLUDES SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE REQUESTED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT DOES GO THROUGH THE CALENDAR YEAR OF THE PERMITS. THIS IS GOING TO BE IN YOUR COUNCIL MEMO. ON THE COUNCIL MEMO FOR THE THIS THURSDAY, THERE WAS A TOTAL BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST OF 2025 TO DECEMBER 31ST OF 2025. A TOTAL OF 1002 PERMITS WERE ISSUED FOR THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES 864 SINGLE FAMILIES, 73 MULTIFAMILY, 12 INDUSTRIAL, 18 INSTITUTIONAL, 25 OFFICE, AND TEN RETAIL. SO THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND WE'LL TRY TO ADD THAT INTO THE ACTIVITIES. NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR CITY WORK SYSTEM IS A LOT EASIER TO PULL OFF DATA. THE ONLY LITTLE WRINKLE WE HAVE, AND I'M THE ONE THAT PREPARES THESE REPORTS, IS IF WE HAVE PERMITS OR DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS IN THE OLD TRACKING SYSTEM, AND IT WAS IN THERE PRIOR TO APRIL 1ST OF 2024. YEAH, MY MEMORY IS GOOD. STILL GOT IT. IF IT WAS ANYTHING IN THE SYSTEM IN THE UNPAID CATEGORY PRIOR TO APRIL 1ST, 2024, THAT COMES OVER ONCE THE PERMITS ARE ISSUED. THAT COMES OVER AS WHAT I LIKE TO SAY, AN EXPERT FILE. THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT SAYS. AND THEN I HAVE TO BREAK THOSE DOWN SEPARATELY AND I'M ABLE TO DO THAT. AND SO I HAVE TO KIND OF MANUALLY DO IT. BUT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THAT THE CITY WORK SYSTEM IS PROVIDING US MORE INFORMATION.

THAT HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL IN THE SUMMARY OF REPORTING AND THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT AGAIN, IT'S APRIL 1ST OF 2024. DID YOU I HEAR YOU RIGHT. 864 SINGLE FAMILY PERMITS IN 2025 AND 73 MULTI-FAMILY. YES, THOSE ARE PERMITS. IT THE THE ACTIVITY OF PERMITS THAT WE HAD FOR JANUARY 1ST, 2025 TO DECEMBER 31ST, THOSE WERE ISSUED. SO THAT WAS ISSUED AND PAID. SO THERE'S STILL A NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE STILL IN THE QUEUE AND THE UNPAID CATEGORY NOT ISSUED. AND THEY'RE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT. JUST, JUST THERE'S A REALLY BIG CHANGE FROM I MEAN, 73. WELL, NOW, MULTI-FAMILY DOESN'T MEAN COMMERCIAL APARTMENTS. SO TELL ME, WHAT

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YEAH. SO WHEN YOU DO THOSE REPORTS, YOU HAVE THAT LIST OF POTENTIAL MONEY. WHY DO WE DO THAT? BECAUSE IF I'M REMEMBERING, RIGHT, I MEAN, BUT YOU HAVE WHAT'S COLLECTED IN THE VARIOUS IN THE SILOS. AND THEN BELOW IT, YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING ONES OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. SO WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS, TO ME, IT'S SOMEWHAT MISLEADING BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE MAY NEVER GET PULLED. SO IT'S NOT MONEY WE HAVE ACCESS TO OR CAN COUNT ON, OR BUDGET OR EVEN THINK ABOUT THE BUDGET. SO WHY DO WE DO THAT? WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK, WHY WE DO IT IS IT IS ACTIVITY THAT IS ACTUALLY RECORDED IN OUR CITY WORK SYSTEM. SO SOME OF THEM AND I ACTUALLY ACTUALLY PAINSTAKINGLY DOWNLOAD AND ACTUALLY IMPORT THE DATA INTO A FILE. AND THEN I LOOK AT IT. SO I LOOK FOR A COUPLE THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I LOOK AT THE PAID SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE DATA IS CORRECT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF I SEE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT, I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE A CATEGORY OF FIRE, POLICE, TRANSPORTATION AND PARKS. SO I CHECK EVERY RECORD IF YOU WILL. NOT BY PERMIT NUMBER, BUT I DO A LIST AND I VERIFY ALL THOSE TOTAL UP TO THE 5000. WAS IT $376 OR WHATEVER THE TOTAL MAXIMUM AFFORDABLE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN WITH SINGLE FAMILY. AND I DO THE SAME THING FOR MULTIFAMILY. I DO IT FOR ALL THE CATEGORIES

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YOU'RE. EXCEPT EXCEPT ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE IS NOT. THAT'S EXACTLY OPPOSITE OF IT. I MEAN, THAT IS IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHO HAS INTENT TO BE IN ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF UNPAID. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A SIGNED DOCUMENT AND YOU OWE THE MONEY. BUT BUT YOU YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING. YOU HAVE THE INTENT IN, IN SOME FORM OF THE REVIEW PROCESS. IT WOULDN'T SHOW UP ON A BALANCE SHEET BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T.

RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING IS IT'S UNEARNED. IT'S UNEARNED FOR TO YOUR POINT, IT'S GOING TO BE I THINK IT WAS YOUR POINT ABOUT PUBLIC LOOKING AT THIS. IS THERE A WAY TO LABEL IT? THAT'S WHAT I SAID. LET'S JUST CHANGE IT FROM UNPAID TO SOMETHING AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, SOME ELEVATED POINT THAT IS NOT YET THE PERMIT HAS NOT BEEN PULLED. AND I THINK WHAT I TRY TO DO IN THE COUNCIL MEMOS IS JUST SAY THAT IT'S UNDER VARIOUS STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT. IT COULD BE FROM UNDER REVIEW, IT COULD BE ON HOLD. RIGHT.

THERE'S A THERE'S A VARIETY OF CATEGORIES THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO PULL FROM ON THAT UNPAID SIDE. AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE IT IN THE SUMMARY IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A BETTER SCENARIO. BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST GOOD TO KNOW, FOR AT LEAST FOR ME, TO AT LEAST KNOW WHAT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE COMING IN AS FAR AS GROWTH SIDE AND THEN ALSO BEING ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH OUR COMMITTEE SO THEY CAN GET A FEEL FOR KIND OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT MAY LOOK LIKE. I THINK IT'S USEFUL. OKAY. I THINK WE'LL JUST CHANGE THE LANGUAGE FROM UNPAID TO SOMETHING ELSE AND WE'LL WORK ON THAT. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DRAW OUT A TERM THAT YOU LIKE TO USE, OR JUST MAYBE NEXT TIME I DO A REPORT, I'LL JUST UNCOLLECTED, I DON'T KNOW KNOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE PROCESS OR SOMETHING UNCOLLECTED. IT'S NOT.

UNCOLLECTED EITHER. IT'S THAT'S UNPAID ACTIVITY AND PROCESS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT OKAY. YEAH.

OKAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO A LITTLE BIT IS JUST GIVE SOME TIME TO TJ. I WAS HOPING BY ME GOING OVER A COUPLE OF THESE SLIDES JUST TO KIND OF SPRINGBOARD OFF SOME COMMENTS THAT MAYBE HE'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY

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WELL, THERE'S $1 MILLION FOR, FOR WALKING PATHS. LIKE WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT LIKE? IS THERE A PLAN LIKE IS THAT IS THERE SPECIFICS TO THAT? IS THAT JUST THERE'S A LOT OF GENERAL BUT NOT A LOT OF SPECIFICS. SO THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT. SO THOSE WERE THE MAIN TALKING. I MEAN THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR LAST MEETING. AND IF I COULD ADD, I WASN'T AT THAT MEETING. BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, WE DO HAVE DIRECTOR HOME ATTENDING THAT MEETING AND HE IS PREPARED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. SO THAT'S A FOLLOW UP, A FOLLOW UP BULLET POINT. THE OTHER ITEM THAT I HAD LISTED HERE WAS ASKING ABOUT HOW MANY AFFORDABLE WAIVERS THE CITY HAS AUTHORIZED UNDER THE CURRENT CURRENT STUDY, AND I HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE, AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET FOR THE COMMITTEE PRIOR TO THE MEETING ON FEBRUARY 10TH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GUESS I ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT I WASN'T SURE OF IS WHEN A WHEN A PROJECT GETS A WAIVER IMPACT FEE WAIVER, IF THE CITY HAS TO COVER THOSE THAT SHORTFALL. AND AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT'S HOW THAT HAPPENED. SO THAT WAS JUST CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT ENOUGH. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT AND WE DON'T HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE BECAUSE WE CAN'T USE THE. YEAH. COULD I LET ME ASK THIS AND YOU DECIDE IF YOU CAN ANSWER IT. BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE HEARING AND THE STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT UNFINISHED SPACE, WHETHER IT'S BASEMENT OR A SECOND FLOOR OR WHATEVER. IS IT IS THE REAL ISSUE THAT IT RAISES THE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE FEES, OR IS THERE SOME OTHER ROUTE THING THAT I'M MISSING? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S A COMBINATION OF, OKAY, WHAT'S THE REST OF THE COMBINATION? I THINK IT'S A BUILDER, OR SOMEONE IS COMING IN AND THEY'RE PAYING A FEE FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE IMPACT ON CITY SERVICES, RIGHT. LIKE, AND THERE'S THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT THAT FEE THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE INCREASE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON THE CITY SERVICES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE, WILL WILL BE, WILL BE USED, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. AND SO WHEN WE FIRST, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT SQUARE FOOTAGE, JUST TO BE HONEST, WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE MAIN GOAL WAS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO HOUSES. RIGHT? TO MAKE THAT THAT THE STEP FROM AN APARTMENT OR A TWIN HOME INTO A HOUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT BUILDS COMMUNITY AND THERE IS AN AFFORDABILITY ISSUE. AND THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WE WORKED WITH MICHAEL KIRKHAM ON DEFINITION OF WHAT UNFINISHED SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE. LIKE HOW WOULD YOU CLASSIFY IT? WE HAD TALKS ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? HE CAME UP WITH A DEFINITION. WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN FINISH? WHAT WOULD BE UNFINISHED. AS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE WERE WORKING ON

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WHEN THERE'S A SALE OF PROPERTY THAT SAYS, HAS THIS BEEN FULLY PERMITTED? IN ESSENCE, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE HONEST AND SAY NO. AND SO THEN THAT REALTOR OR WHOEVER'S SELLING THE HOME WILL CALL US AND SAY WOULD BE THE SELLER THAT FILLS OUT THAT DOCUMENT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE WHERE THAT SOME OF THAT MIGHT SLIP THROUGH. YES. AND IT AND IT DOES I MEAN, TO BE QUITE FRANK AND HONEST. WE'LL GET AROUND TO. YEAH. WHAT WAS THAT. IT'LL GET AROUND. YEAH. LIKE I HAVE A I SHOULDN'T SAY THIS. I HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT WAS TALKING TO ME. HE FINISHED HIS BASEMENT WITHOUT A PERMIT AND HE SAID, WAIT, ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO COME AFTER ME? AND I SAID, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST IF YOU IF YOU FOLLOW THE LAW AND GET A PERMIT. AND SO HE CALLED THE INSPECTOR AND IT WAS A VERY EASY. THE ONLY THING THAT WAS A LITTLE OFF WAS HIS ELECTRICAL. HE WAS LIKE, OH, THAT WAS EASIER THAN I THOUGHT. I WAS LIKE, YEAH, IT'S BEST JUST TO PULL THE TRIGGER. BUT AND SOMETIMES SOME OF US HOMEOWNERS GET LETTERS FROM THE ASSESSOR THAT SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, HAVE YOU ADDED ON ANYTHING TO YOUR PROPERTY? AND THAT IS ALSO ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCLOSURE AS WELL. YEAH. BUT DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION WHEN IT FROM THE COUNTY, WHEN THE COUNTY GETS THAT INFORMATION DOES GET PASSED ALONG TO US. HOW WHEN I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE ASSESSOR REPORT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF IT SAYS ON THERE FINISHED BASEMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE SALE DOCUMENT OR PART OF THE FULL ASSESSMENT. I GUESS I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I TO ONE THING, I KNOW HOW IT'S RELEVANT. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I ASSUME ZILLOW PULLED THEIR INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY. YES, THEY AND I KNOW SOMEONE WHO RECORDED IT WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS. THE FIVE YEAR THAT SAID, YES, WE'VE ADDED TWO BEDROOMS AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, AND IT'S NEVER SHOWN UP ON ZILLOW. SO I'M CURIOUS IF THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT AWARE OF IT. MAYOR, CAN I ANSWER TO THAT? YES. WOULD THAT BE OKAY? YES, SIR. SO THAT LETTER THAT YOU GET IN THE MAIL, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW MY BACKGROUND, I WAS AN ESCROW OFFICER FOR OVER 20 YEARS. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. THAT LETTER YOU GET IN THE MAIL FROM THE COUNTY, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE ANSWERED. YEAH, WE'VE NEVER ANSWERED. SO. SO EVEN THOUGH THOSE LETTERS ARE GOING OUT, IT DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE ARE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. ALSO, THAT INFORMATION DOES NOT GET RELAYED. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION. ANYWHERE BUT IN THEIR SYSTEM RESPONDS WITH THE LETTER. THEN DOES THE COUNTY RECORD GET UPDATED? THEY MAY UPDATE THEIR TAX ROLLS TO REFLECT, BUT UNLESS YOU ARE EITHER A TITLE

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SO I SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE LEAVING SQUARE FOOTAGE OUT OF AN EVALUATION OF WHAT'S HABITABLE IS, IS ACTUALLY, I WAS SURPRISED MORE COMMON THAN YOU THINK. SO LEAVING OUT A BASEMENT. LEAVING OUT A HALLWAY, IT'S IT'S COMMON. BUT I THINK AS CITY COUNCIL, WE SHOULD BE CLEAR ON, JUST AS WAS SAID FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THAT WE SHOULD BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE ASSESSING, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY KEY TO US DOING OUR JOB, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE FAIR TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, TOO, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT WE HAVE A NEXUS BETWEEN MORE PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT THERE'S AN IMPACT. WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHERE FOR ME, I'M JUST GOING TO I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS MY FEEDBACK. BACK TO THE RIGHT. I MEAN, THIS BOTH WAYS. THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANTED TO HAVING LISTENED TO ALL OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE HEARING, I FEEL LIKE, OKAY, WE'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY, WE HAVE MULTI-FAMILY. AS I LISTENED TO THE TESTIMONY, IT FELT LIKE LARGE MULTI-FAMILY HOMES WILL PAY MORE BECAUSE THEY WILL GO FROM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 29, 43 UP TO WHATEVER NUMBER IT IS BE. YOU KNOW, THEY WILL PAY MORE. SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH UNFINISHED BASEMENTS WILL PAY LESS, BUT LARGE HOMES WILL PAY MORE REGARDLESS. YOU KNOW, IT JUST FEELS LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE JUST OPENED ANOTHER TO YOUR POINT CAN OF WORMS. THAT'S WHERE FOR ME IT'S LIKE, OH, THEN WHO WAS REPRESENTED ON THE IMPACT? THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE? IS THIS A LARGE HOME BUILDER? IS THIS A TYPE? IT STARTS TO REALLY GET A LITTLE COMPLICATED IN MY MIND, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEBODY WHO THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD OUT OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING. AND MAYBE TO HELP THE CONVERSATION TOO, I SHARED THIS WITH THE IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I HAD OUR COMMERCIAL PLANS EXAMINER RUN OVER ALL OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERMITS AND WHICH ONES HAVE BASEMENTS AND HADN'T. AND HE SAID THAT IT ROUGHLY CAME OUT 86% ACTUALLY FINISHED THEIR BASEMENT. SO THE REMAINDER, 14% OF ALL OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY PERMITS HAVE WHAT WE ESTIMATE TO BE NOT FINISHED BASEMENT. SO REALLY, ON THE MAJORITY, MOST PEOPLE ARE FINISHING THEIR BASEMENT WHEN THEY CONSTRUCTED THIS. SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD TO KNOW. SO THAT'S A TIME OF CONSTRUCTION THAT'S NOT FIVE YEARS LATER. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. BUT 14%, MAYBE HALF OF THEM WILL GET FINISHED. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOUR POINT ABOUT ABOUT THE BIGGER HOUSE AND PAYING MORE, THEY PAY MORE TAXES TO PROPERTY TAX. NOW I REALIZE WE'RE NOT ASSESSING BASED ON VALUE, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM AN IMPACT STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, TWO OLD PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN A 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE PAY A LOT MORE TAX THAN FOUR YOUNG PEOPLE LIVING IN A 1500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. I CAN I JUST SAY I, I MEAN, I, I HAVE TWO HOUSES GOING IN IDAHO FALLS RIGHT NOW. ONE IS 8000 SQUARE FOOT, ONE IS 6000 SQUARE FOOT, RIGHT? ONE IS AN OLDER COUPLE. THAT'S THEIR HOUSE, AND ONE IS A SINGLE GUY WHO LIVES THERE HALF TIME. RIGHT? I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T I DON'T WITH AFFORDABILITY THE WAY IT IS. I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN ASSESS THAT, THAT THE BIGGER HOUSES NECESSARILY HAVE MORE PEOPLE AND ARE MORE OF A STRAIN ON CITY SERVICES. YEAH. BUT SO THEN THAT'S SO YOU GO BACK TO JUST SINGLE FAMILY. I THINK THERE'S NO QUESTION A DOOR IS A DOOR. A HOUSE IS A HOUSE A MULTI-FAMILY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE IT'S IT IS SIMPLER THAT WAY. I WISH WE COULD TIE CAR REGISTRATIONS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION. LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE REAL IMPACTS ARE. BUT IT'S SO INTERESTING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. OKAY. SO WILL YOU FINISH THAT? NO, I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THE FINISH SQUARE WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, USING A STUDY THAT THAT USES THE THE HOUSE SIZE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, IT'S LIKE FINDING A STUDY TO FIT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY TRUE ACROSS THE BOARD. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE CREATING MORE PROBLEMS AND MORE WORK FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED BY GOING DOWN THAT ROUTE. AND THE GOAL IS TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE, RIGHT. AND

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AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, THEN WHEN IT'S RIGHT, IT'S BEEN BRAINSTORMING. AND TO ME IT'S STILL LIVING SPACE. I PUT MY WASHING MACHINE DOWNSTAIRS. THAT'S IT. IT'S LIVING SPACE.

YEAH. MY BEST FRIEND LIVED IN AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT HER ENTIRE LIFE, SO IT'S NOT.

THAT'S A CULTURAL THING. PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THEM. YEAH, SO IT'S NOT. TO ME. IT'S NOT. IT DOESN'T RESONATE AS UNUSABLE UNLIVED SPACE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALITY OF HOW WE LIVE HERE. I MAKE A COMPARISON. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, I DISAGREE WITH THAT. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD THOUGH. LIKE DO YOU THINK THE SOCIOECONOMIC DIFFERENCE I MEAN, IF YOU'RE COUNTING, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SIZE OF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, AND YOU HAVE AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT THAT HAS STUDS AND YOU PUT YOUR WASHING MACHINE DOWN THERE. I DON'T NECESSARILY EQUATE THAT TO HAVING THREE KIDS THAT LIVE IN THE BASEMENT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, THAT'S JUST THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT. AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF I MEAN, CAN SOMEONE COULD SOMEONE LIVE IN A HALLWAY OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A COMMON AREA LIKE YOU CAN MAKE YOU CAN MAKE? YEAH, I'M SURE THERE IS PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN YOU CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. I AGREE THAT'S A NO. EVERYBODY.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE, YEAH. BUT TO YOUR COMMENT THERE AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT. WHEN WE DO A HOUSE, WE INCLUDE THE LAUNDRY ROOM. WE INCLUDE THE FURNACE ROOM, WE INCLUDE THE HALLWAYS, WE INCLUDE EVERYTHING. BUT WHEN WE DO A MULTIFAMILY, EVEN THOUGH ALL THOSE PEOPLE BENEFIT BECAUSE THERE'S A EQUIPMENT ROOM AND A HALLWAY, THEY DON'T. IT DOESN'T GET PAID FOR BY THE GUY THAT BUILDS THE PROJECT. I'M NOT ARGUING TO CHANGE IT, I'M JUST SAYING PHILOSOPHICALLY, THOSE TWO DON'T MATCH. BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU KNOW NOBODY LIVES IN IT, WELL, YEAH, BUT THEY BENEFIT. THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT TO LIVE THERE. SO I THINK TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T LIVE IN IT OR DON'T LIVE IT, THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. I'M NOT SURE I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMPARISON TO ZONING STUFF. RIGHT? WHEN WE CONSIDER A ZONE SOMETHING GOING INTO A ZONE, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL USES THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THAT ZONE THAT ARE

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THAT JUST SHOWS UP ON THESE CLOSING STATEMENTS AS A FEE. IT'S THE DEVELOPER. IT'S THE BUILDER THAT HAS TO UNDERSTAND THE CODE, RIGHT, SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.

THEY ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO BUY A BRAND NEW HOME, WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE CODE. THEY HAVE TO KNOW THE CODE. WELL, YOU SAID THAT IT GETS CONFUSING AND IT NEEDS TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT ISN'T THE BUYER. THAT'S FAIR. IT'S THE BUILDER. MY POINT BEING IS THAT AFTER THE BUILDER LOOKS AT IT AND UNDERSTANDS IT, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO RELEARN IT EVERY TIME HE BUILDS A HOUSE. YEAH, HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT SAYS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE DEALING WITH ME BUYING A NEW HOUSE, AND I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT, AND THEN THE NEXT. BUT HE DOES HAVE TO IF WE DO IT. SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHAT'S THAT? HE DOES HAVE TO DO IT EVERY TIME. IF IT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE. RIGHT. BUT IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE EQUATION. YOU LOOK ON THE CHART, YOU SEE THE NUMBER AND THERE'S THE NUMBER.

NOW YOU LIKE IT OR DISLIKE IT, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE. IF THE GOAL IS SIMPLICITY IN THE CODE. AND I THINK I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I THINK A LOT OF US ARE, AT LEAST MY MIND HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO GO INTO THE DOORS AGAIN AND NOT BACK TO THE DOORS. YEAH. BECAUSE I, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GOOD ANSWER TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL CODE AND THE RESIDENTIAL CODE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S DEFENSIBLE AS MUCH AS IT IS WITH PER DOOR.

NOT THAT IT MATTERS. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS ACCOMPLISH HAVING IMPACT FEES PAY FOR THE NEEDS OF THE CITY SO THAT SO THAT OUR GENERAL FUND DOESN'T PAY FOR THE NEEDS. WELL, THE PER DOOR CAME OFF OF THE CENSUS THAT SAID, LIKE, THERE'S 2.6 FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A MULTIFAMILY. SO IT'S BASED ON A NUMBER THAT ACTUALLY EXISTS, DOES EXIST. YEAH, I AGREE, BUT IF WE IF WE GO PER DOOR, THEN THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOME PRICE IS GOING TO GO WAY UP UNLESS WE DECIDE WE CAN JUST LIVE WITH FAR FEWER IMPACT FEES. WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO GO WAY UP? WELL, IF YOU DO IT PER DOOR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW ARE YOU CALCULATING IT PER DOOR? SO WE'RE PER DOOR RIGHT NOW? YEAH. RIGHT NOW THAT'S HOW WE PAY IT RIGHT NOW. THE THE FIRST DRAFT WE GOT BACK FROM TISCHLER BICE THAT THEY WENT BY A PER DOOR BASIS. IT INCREASED IT, BUT IT WAS A PRETTY SMALL AMOUNT THAT IT INCREASED IT. RIGHT, 40 OR $50. YEAH. I MEAN A COUPLE HUNDRED ON THAT I THINK. BUT I MEAN IT DID IT WAS IT WAS A PRETTY SIMPLE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WENT TO SQUARE FOOTAGE. YES. IT DECREASED THE COST AT, AT THOSE LOWER PRICES HOUSES. BUT IT WAY INCREASED THE COST OF THE LARGER HOUSES. RIGHT. WHICH IS FINE. YEAH. BUT THEN WHEN YOU ADD ON FINISHED SQUARE FOOT AND IT'S PUSHING A SMALL HOUSE NOW INTO A MEDIUM SIZE HOUSE. YEAH. SO IT'S JUST THERE WAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN THAT IN THE CHANGE TO LOOK AT. THAT'S WHAT KIND OF SWITCHED MY MIND AND THEN THE COMPLEXITY FOR OUR STAFF AND THEN ALL THESE DEFINITIONS THAT WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME BACK AND TRY TO FIGHT LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE SIMPLER. AND THAT'S JUST MY I THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP WITH THE PRICING, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO UNLESS YOU GUYS DECIDE DIFFERENTLY ON THE BASEMENT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S OUT. BUT THIS NUMBER MAKES ME THINK THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. THE 86% FINISHED BASEMENTS MAKES ME THINK THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY SAVING ANYONE MONEY, BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE IS SMALLER FOOTPRINTS, IF WE COULD. RIGHT, WITH SMALLER BLOCK FACES AND SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE WE WANT WE WANT THERE TO BE THIS

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THERE WERE THREE GROCERY STORES WITHIN THREE BLOCKS OF MY HOUSE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T. THEY DIDN'T SAY, OH, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY STORES IN YOUR IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THESE KIND OF LITTLE DECISIONS HAVE BIG IMPACTS, IT SEEMS LATER. AND I THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING MAYBE IT'S BETTER NOT TO TO MESS WITH IT IN TERMS OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. ANYWAY, MY THOUGHT RHETORICAL QUESTION. AND YOU TELL ME IF I'M OFF BASE HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT PER SE ON THE AGENDA, I GUESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT FALLS UNDER A STUDY UPDATE. IT'S ABOUT WHY WHY IN THE THE 75% FOR FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. AND WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PAYING WE'RE NOT GO TO 100% WITH WITH SOME. BUT WE DON'T GO TO 100% WITH ALL OF THEM. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S FAIR TO THE DEPARTMENTS ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE IF WE LET'S SAY WE WENT TO 90% FOR EVERYBODY. RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE, THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR FIG LEAF. RIGHT. TO THE DEVELOPER. WE'RE NOT WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE 10% ON THE TABLE. WE'RE LEAVING. WE'RE LEAVING 25% ON THE TABLE. AND THREE OF THE THREE OF THE FEES. RIGHT. AND TAKING 100% OF THE OTHER.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS AN APPETITE TO ADDRESS THAT AT SOME POINT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHEN WE FIRST DID THE 75%, IT WAS IT WAS MORE OF A LET'S PHASE IT IN SLOWLY, KIND OF A KIND OF AN IDEA. RIGHT. AND BUT WE'RE STUCK THERE. RIGHT? I'M FINE WITH GOING UP 5% EVERY TIME WE DO EVERY FIVE YEARS AND GET TO WELL, I PUT IT ON THIS CHART SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE 100%, WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY TAKING. YEAH. THEN I SHOW WHAT WE HAVE AT 100% OF ALL FEES.

THEN YOU THEN I DID THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CURRENT. SO THERE'S A SAVINGS OF 535 WHAT IT WOULD BE WITH THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE. AND THEN WHAT WOULD IT BE IF WE HAVE 100% NOW VERSUS 100% AT 21. AND OUR IMPACT FEES ARE DROPPING AS WE LOSE SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY? OKAY. WELL, WE'RE NOT QUESTIONING OR WE'RE SUBSIDIZING. WELL, WE'RE KIND OF LOSING SERVICES BECAUSE WE ARE SUBSIDIZING AT THE 75%. AND SO NOW AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT SITS AS A CREDIT AGAINST THE IMPACT FEES WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING AT 75%. AND SO WE DO. THERE WILL BE A DROP IF IT'S THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE FROM THE 75%, BUT IT IS A DROP OF 100. IF WE COLLECT 100% OF THE IMPACT FEE. AND THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THESE TABLES IS WHAT LAST YEAR WOULD HAVE DONE WITH THE TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE BASED ON THE PERMITS? SO I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT'S THE BOGEY? WHAT ARE WE WHERE ARE WE TRYING TO GET TO. DO WE DO WE WANT TO TRY TO GET TO THE TITULAR BY 100%. AND I WANT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW IS A DOLLAR FIGURE, BECAUSE WE COULD RECALCULATE THIS EQUATION TO DO WHAT JIM TALKED ABOUT AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE NEED. WHAT PERCENTAGE DO WE NEED ACROSS THE BOARD OF ALL CATEGORIES TO REACH THAT NUMBER? LET'S SAY THAT'S 90%.

WELL, WE STILL END UP WITH THE SAME DOLLARS IF WE DO OUR EQUATION. DO WE KNOW. WELL THAT'S HOW THEY CALCULATE IT I MEAN LEVEL OF SERVICE IS THEY TAKE WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED. I THINK THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY DOES PARKS NEED $1 MILLION? BECAUSE THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT GETS PUT INTO THE CALCULATION TO DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACT FEE IS. SO THAT'S THE REVISED NUMBER. SO THAT'S THE NUMBER WE'RE REALLY AFTER. WELL WE ALREADY HAVE THAT NUMBER BASED ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. NO DISRESPECT TO PUBLIC WORKS AND STREETS CHRIS, BUT I MEAN IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE 100% GOING TO TO THE TRANSPORTATION AND ONLY 75% GOING TO POLICE AND FIRE JUST SEEMS BACKWARDS TO ME, HONESTLY. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT'S I'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED THAT OUR NUMBER ONE MISSION IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND AND THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO TAKE 100% IN ANY CATEGORY, IT WOULD BE IN THOSE TWO. I MEAN, I THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT WRONG, BUT GENERALLY THE BIGGEST NEED NOW IS ROADS IN A GROWING CITY.

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DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY IT ENDED. WHERE IT WAS IS BECAUSE EVERYONE WE WE ALL KNOW THAT THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS STRUGGLE WITH THEIR BUDGETS, TOO. I MEAN, THEY COULD CERTAINLY USE THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS WE CAN'T USE THESE FEES FOR ANY ONGOING USE. THAT'S THE CATCH, IS THAT WE HAD ARPA MONEY. WE HAD OTHER MONEY TO TO PAY. THAT'S THE HARD PART IS AND SO MANY OF THOSE POLICE, POLICE DON'T BUY A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN FIRE, ESPECIALLY IF IT GETS CARS, POLICE CARS, FIRE AND POLICE ARE LABOR. SO IF IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP WITH LABOR, USES THEIRS EQUIPMENT FOR SO LONG THAT THEY CAN BUY A FIRE TRUCK WITH. BUT IT'S HARD TO BUY POLICE CARS HAVE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE TEN YEAR ASSETS. YEAH. SO THAT'S THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I WISH THERE WAS A NUMBER WE WERE GOING FOR. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR IS WHAT IMPACT ARE PEOPLE MOVING INTO OUR AREA HAVING THAT'S REDUCING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY HERE BUT SHOULDN'T. DOES THE REVISED REPORT ADDRESS THAT? ISN'T THAT KIND OF WHAT IT'S SAYING? THAT IS, AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR NUMBER COMES FROM. AND SO THAT'S WHY. SO IF THAT'S THE NUMBER WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THEN WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE NOT THERE, HOW DO WE GET THERE. AND THAT GOES BACK TO MAYBE THE 5% A YEAR. THAT'S WHAT I THINK INCREMENTALLY OVER TIME. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THE GOAL. YEAH. OKAY. BUT WOULD YOU I LIKE THE IDEA OF SEEING WHAT THESE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THEY HAD BEEN IN PLACE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE WHAT? WHAT DID WE GET? IF THESE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN PLACE, WHAT WOULD WE HAVE GOTTEN THE NEW. YEAH OKAY. TJ IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU. YEAH. ANYTHING THAT WE NEED OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FROM US IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO FEEL LIKE YOU COULD GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU MEET, YOU FEEL LIKE, NO, I THINK WADE'S GOING TO GET US THE NUMBERS. AND I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST STEP IS LOOKING AT THAT.

I MEAN, WE WOULD NEED DO WE NEED A DIRECTION ON WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THE FINISHED AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THE DOOR DOESN'T MATTER. LIKE IT'S KIND OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S I DO THINK YOU'RE SEEING MOVEMENT.

SO IF YOU THINK THAT YOUR GROUP'S REALLY JUST ONE DOOR, THEN I THINK IT'D BE PERSUASIVE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RUNDOWN WOULD BE. WELL, IS THERE AGREEMENT? YOU SEE THIS? IS THERE A NOD OF THE HEAD THAT WE'RE SUPPORT THAT CONCEPT OF? IT'S A ONE TIME FEE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO WHERE WE HAVE TO COLLECT 2 OR 3 TIMES FROM THE SAME PROPERTY. WHAT IS THE STATE LAW SAY IS HE WAS THAT. THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE TO CHECK THE STATE BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS GETTING IT FROM STATE OR STATE STATUTE. YEAH, IT'S MEANT TO BE A ONE TIME FEE.

ANYWAY, THAT'S IN OUR OWN STUDY. IT IS. IT TOTALLY IS. BUT THE OTHER THING ABOUT STATE LAW IS LIKE THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME VERY VAGUE LANGUAGE WHEN YOU LOOK AT STATE LAW. RIGHT. AND SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF LOOKING AT STATE LAW IS 100% THE RIGHT WAY. WHAT IS YOUR CITY? WHAT IS THE CITY NEED AND WHAT'S THE EASIEST WAY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE MISUNDERSTOOD? WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I PHILOSOPHICALLY THINK IT'S MEANT TO BE A ONE TIME FEE, AND WE SHOULD TRY TO GET THERE. WHAT ABOUT ADUS ON THE PROPERTY? WELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT BUILDING, RIGHT? AND IF YOU BUILT THAT ADU, WHEN YOU BUILT YOUR HOUSE, YOU'RE PAYING THAT. BUT IF IT WAS ADDED YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH. YOU GOT TO GO GET YOUR THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BUILDING. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN I GO DOWN. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE ADU WOULD SAY PAY ITS OWN IMPACT FEE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT. OR WE EXEMPT THEM ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE WE WANT THEM. WELL AND THAT'S THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A POLICY THERE. BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY ISSUES. IF YOU'RE HER PROPERTY LINE, I WOULD THINK ADUS WOULD STILL NEED TO BE ANOTHER FEE IF YOU ADDED IT BECAUSE IT SAT THERE FOR 50 YEARS AND THEN YOU ADD AN ADU.

AND IF I TURN MY GARAGE INTO A HOUSE OR SOMETHING. BUT, BUT THAT'S BUT LARGELY I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. TRY TO GET IT TO ONE FEE. ALL RIGHT TJ, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? I MEAN, YOU'RE CLEAR. YOU I MEAN, YOU HEARD THE CONVERSATION AND AND I THINK THAT JUST BASED ON KIND OF OUR TIMELINE, IF WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE BEFORE THEY MEET, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET THE INFORMATION AND THEN HAVE A CONVERSATION IN THE MEETING AND THEN MAKE A DECISION. BUT IF WE CAN GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM ON WHERE THEY'RE AT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. JUST FOR A REPORT. I FOLLOWED UP WITH DAVE THIS MORNING. HE HAS THE RETAIL AND THE OFFICE DONE. HE'S CURRENTLY WORKING ON MULTIFAMILY, SO WE'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE IT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS BECAUSE THEY'RE YOU'RE MEETING ON THE 10TH. YEAH. SO YOU CAN IF WE CAN GET THAT, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. AND THEN AND THEN THE EXPLANATION TO THE

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THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE YOU THESE NUMBERS SHE SAID ABOUT 800 SINGLE FAMILY. YEAH. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE. THAT'S A THAT'S A HUGE TALKING POINT. IF WE'VE REALLY IF WE'VE STEMMED THE MULTIFAMILY GROWTH, THAT WOULD BE A BIG NEWS FLASH. AND YEAH.

AND I SHOWED YOU THAT GRAPH, I WAS SHOWING THAT WE WERE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PLATEAUING OUT OR SLOWING AND PROBABLY A FIVE YEAR TREND. IT'S TYPICALLY WORSE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY POINT. SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THE DATA THAT DATA SET THAT I WAS USING, IT WAS ACTUALLY A COUNT OF THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED FOR THAT TIME PERIOD. SO IT'S JUST A COUNT. BUT IT WAS YOU RECALL A COUNT WITH FOUR CATEGORIES BUT ONE COUNT. YEAH, YEAH. NO, I HOPE IT'S TRUE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

[Municipal Services, Public Works]

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ENDED UP MAKING THAT PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR FOR THE GROWTH ON THAT ROAD, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT ROAD. SO BUT THIS IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME PROPERTY THAT'S PRETTY MUCH RIGHT BEHIND SERENITY HALL. THERE USED TO BE. SO BACK WHEN WE START OVER. SO IT'S ON 610 WATER WATER AVENUE. THE CITY PURCHASED IT IN 1974. THEY PURCHASED BOTH THE THE OLD SERENITY HALL, WHICH WAS A CHURCH, AND THEN THEY ALSO PURCHASED THIS PARCEL. RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S SOME CARS THERE RIGHT NOW. THEY IN 1974, 1974, THE CITY PURCHASED IT FOR 7000. AND IT WAS FOR A GRAVEL LOT. AND IT WAS IDENTIFIED AT THAT TIME THAT IT WOULD BE USED FOR A PARKING LOT OR OVERFLOW LOT, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE SERENITY HALL BUILDING THAT WAS IN IN BEING USED BY OUR, OUR, OUR PROGRAMS, OUR, YOU KNOW, AA PROGRAMS AND AA PROGRAMS, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO SO WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS, IS THAT THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR, FOR A WHILE. WE ACTUALLY IN NOVEMBER AND EXCUSE ME, IN OCTOBER, WE RECEIVED A CALL FROM A RESIDENT THAT ACTUALLY PURCHASED SOME PROPERTY RIGHT ALONG HERE. OOPS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY THING IS, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE IS THAT ANYWAY? RIGHT ALONG THERE, RIGHT NEXT TO 610 WHERE YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP. AND HE. YEAH, I THINK HE PURCHASED THAT LOT OF APARTMENTS THERE. OKAY. AND HE CONTACTED THE CITY AND SAID, HEY, I'D LIKE TO BUY IT OR I'D LIKE TO LEASE IT. AND I EXPLAINED TO HIM THE RULES ON PROPERTY, CITY PROPERTY, THAT YOU CAN'T JUST SELL IT, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A PUBLIC AUCTION. AND SO WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT WE NOTICED IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A CURRENT APPRAISAL. SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET AN APPRAISAL ON IT AS WELL, AS OUR CITY SURVEYOR CAME OUT AND CHECKED ALL THE MARKERS BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN THERE. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SINCE 1974, THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE TEAM HAS BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THE WEEDS OUT, TRYING TO KEEP THINGS CLEANED UP. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH RIGHT HERE. YOU HAVE PEOPLE PARKING THERE, THERE IS A SIGN THAT IT IS AVAILABLE PARKING FOR THE SERENITY HALL, BUT WE'VE LEFT THAT SIGN UP BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE USING THAT SPACE FOR PARKING. AS I SAID, IT'S A GRAVEL LOT. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO HAVE DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON GO OVER IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WHAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS AVAILABLE ON THAT LOT. SO I THINK WE HAVE ACCESS TO WATER, BUT NOT TO THE SEWERS. THAT.

CORRECT? YEAH I THINK I THINK THIS IS ON. BUT WE DO HAVE WATER AND SEWER AVAILABILITY IN THE ADJACENT STREETS. BUT IF WE CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SHOWS, THE CITY PROPERTIES AND TOLD THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS KIND OF PREDATES ME. BUT AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT TRYING TO RECONSTRUCT BIRCH SO THAT IT ALIGNED WITH FIFTH STREET. SO THE CITY HAD STARTED ACQUIRING SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AND THAT WOULD BE TWO BLOCKS WORTH OF PROPERTIES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ACQUIRED TO LINE UP THOSE PARTICULAR

[01:50:04]

AND SO WITH ALL OF THE INFILL THAT WE SEE AROUND THE CITY, THERE WAS THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT PERHAPS SOMEONE COULD ACTUALLY BUY AND DEVELOP THAT LOT FOR BENEFICIAL USE OTHER THAN WHAT THE CITY WOULD NEED IT FOR. SO THAT WAS KIND OF SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE, THOSE PROPERTIES. AND THEN NO ACCESS TO ALLEY OR SEWER, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S NO ACCESS TO SEWER. THERE'S THERE'S ACTUALLY SEWER I BELIEVE IN BIRCH STREET, BUT IT'S NOT CONNECTED. YEAH. SO YOU'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO THOSE, THOSE FACILITIES. SO. YEAH. SO SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP.

MY FINAL BULLET POINT IS, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, WHEN THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, I CONSULTED WITH OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING PLANNED BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE ASSET DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAD. IT WAS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, PURCHASED BY PUBLIC WORKS 1974. I ALSO CONSULTED WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR KIND OF GAVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF NARRATIVE TO SHARE, AND HE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY BACK FROM 1971, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF IT. AND HE HE HE BELIEVED BASED ON WHAT HE WAS BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT, THAT THE PROPERTY WAS A LEGAL SEPARATE PARCEL AT THE TIME. THE CITY ACQUIRED IT IN 1974, AND THAT IT STILL COULD BE BUILDABLE LOT. AND HE DID INDICATE THAT THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 3000FT■S IN THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE FOR A BUILDABLE LOT, BUT THERE WOULD BE MORE OR THE HIGHEST, BEST, HIGHEST MISUSE, IF YOU WILL, WOULD BE MORE VALUE FOR A BUILDABLE LOT THAN IT WOULD BE FOR A PARKING LOT. SO RIGHT NOW IT IS. IT IS A PARKING LOT. AS I MENTIONED, IT'S GRAVEL. WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE MUCH WITH IT. WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A BUSINESS NEED TO DO TO DO MUCH WITH IT. AND WE BELIEVE THAT IT COSTS OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE TEAM PROBABLY LESS THAN $2,000 A YEAR TO MAINTAIN IT. I'M GONNA GO THROUGH SOME PICTURES HERE REAL QUICK HERE. SO HERE'S A HERE'S A PICTURE FROM ONE SIDE, THEN THE THE OTHER SIDE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE SIGN THAT I MENTIONED UP HERE IS, IS A SIGN THAT WAS, THAT WAS THERE FOR PARKING USE FOR THE SERENITY HALL BUILDING. AND SO WE AT THE ON THE APPRAISAL THAT WE DID IN NOVEMBER, WE HAD A RESIDENTIAL APPRAISER. HIS NAME IS BRETT BURTON. YOUR APPRAISAL SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET. I DIDN'T HAVE THESE SLIDES AVAILABLE, BUT THE APPRAISAL ITSELF WAS PLACED IN THE PACKET ON FRIDAY FOR DISTRIBUTION, AND HE INDICATED THAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS, WOULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN $53,500 TO 70,000. AND THAT'S BASED ON THE COMPARABLES. IN TALKING WITH THE APPRAISER, HE WAS SAYING THAT IT COULD PROBABLY GO FOR 70,000. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER COMPARABLES, IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT, IT'S NOT LIKELY IT'S WORTH THAT BASED ON SOME OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF, NOTABLY ALLEY AND THE SEWER CONNECTION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID FOR, IF YOU WILL, TO TO CONNECT. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH PUBLIC WORKS IS DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NOW THAT WE HAVE AN APPRAISAL, WE KNOW THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL ISN'T GOING TO BE USED FOR ANY CITY RELATED PROJECT. DO WE COME TO YOU AND REQUEST A PERMISSION OR AUTHORIZATION TO GO AHEAD AND DO A PUBLIC OPTION? AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL IS AGREEABLE TO, WE COULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AS SOON AS FEBRUARY JUST TO HAVE IT BEFORE WE GO TO AUCTION. WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING, JUST LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THIS PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE. AND THEN ALSO IF WE COULD GET DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING NEXT, POTENTIALLY FOR NEXT MONTH, IF WE CAN GET A MINIMUM BID AMOUNT, WE'RE RECOMMENDING, AS I MENTIONED, THE RANGE IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 53,500. WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING MINIMUM BID OF ABOUT 53,000. IT JUST SEEMS TO BE FAIR, CONSIDERING THE CONDITIONS OF THE PARTICULAR PARCEL. JUST TO BE CLEAR, SIX TOWNS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT 600. SORRY.

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OKAY. DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING BUILT ON THIS LOT? IS IT ALWAYS BEEN JUST GROUND? IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED FROM CARRIE BUEHLER IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. HE LOOKED AT A 1971 AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE CITY ACQUIRING IT, AND IT DID SHOW A HOME ON THE PROPERTY. AND THEN IT'S REMOVED. IN A 1975 AERIAL.

SO IT'S IT'S REALLY THE HOMEOWNER. AT ONE POINT IT WAS, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE REALLY.

WE'RE CONNECTING THE SEWER TO. A SIDEWALK. SO I ASSUME IT MUST HAVE A DRIVEWAY. YEAH, BUT NO SEWER, A BUILDING, A CURB CUT. YEAH. SO BUT IT'S LIKE IT'S LIKELY THAT THE SERVICE RAN THROUGH THE LOT TO THE TO THE ALLEY IS LIKELY. WHAT THAT IS SO. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUST IF WE DO. GET IT OUT THEN SOMEONE BUILDS. THEN THERE'S ALSO A TAX BENEFIT FOR IN PERPETUITY THAT WE ACTUALLY. AN ADDED BENEFIT TO SELLING IT. SO JUST TO REITERATE WHAT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO IS BRING THIS FORWARD FOR IF I CAN GET ALL THE NOTIFICATIONS IN THE PAPER FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, JUST A PRELIMINARY, JUST TO GO OVER THIS AGAIN AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND PRIOR TO SCHEDULING THE PUBLIC AUCTION. OKAY. YES, I LIKE IT. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE TALKING A REALLY BIG FIRE IN THAT WALK. A REALLY BIG FIRE. YEAH. DID YOU SAVE THE HOUSE? YEAH, IT'S STILL THERE. I HAD TO REBUILD IT, BUT IT'S STILL. OKAY. PAM WILL BE THE DIRECTOR THAT GETS THE FIRST PREVIEW OF

[Mayor, City Council]

YEAH. IT'S AWESOME. YOU'RE GOOD WITH WITH THAT. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE AN EXTRA COPY I HAVE YEP.

I HAVE TEN COPIES. OKAY. THAT. FOR ANYBODY WHO IS IN. LET ME GET TO MY NOTES THAT. JIMMY HAD ONE UNNAMED BULLET POINT. THIS IS. YEAH. WHATEVER. WHATEVER. YEAH. YOU NEVER KNOW. WHATEVER COMES UP NEXT IS YOURS. WE AS PART OF THE WORK SESSION, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THIS PORTION TO THE FRONT OF THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION. JUST THE LIAISON DISCUSSION, BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT OF OUR DISCUSSION IS WHAT'S GOING TO FEED INTO THE WORK SESSION.

THE DAY AFTER WORK SESSION. THE TUESDAY WE WILL HAVE A DIRECTOR'S MEETING EVERY TUESDAY AFTER WORK SESSION. OKAY. THAT WAY WHAT IS COMING CURRENT OUT OF COUNCIL CAN BE

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THAT AND PARTICULARLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S COMING IN THE FUTURE THAT MIGHT HAVE A BUDGET IMPACT. YEAH. AND SO YOU MIGHT IF YOU DO HAVE PARKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S SOMETHING COMING UP THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS POPPED ON US IN APRIL WHEN WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY BY AUGUST 1ST, OR SO TO SPEAK. SO THAT'S ONE THING ABOUT IT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD IMPROVE LIAISON THINGS, I THINK, THAT ARE IN YOUR HEADS FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, THAT WE COULD DISCUSS AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME. PARAMETERS, IDEAS, SUGGESTIONS THAT WE COULD ALL TAKE ON IN LIAISON. AND THE REASON THAT I GET TO THIS IS I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER AT THE BEGINNING, BECAUSE WHEN WE PUT IT AT THE END, THEN IT'S 5 TO 6. ANYTHING THAT WAS IN MY HEAD IS GOING AWAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T THAT IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IT WAS OFTEN SOMETHING LIKE THE AQUATIC CENTER IS OPEN OR WHATEVER, AND WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT KNOWING THAT. SO I THINK I JUST WON'T SAY ANYTHING IF IT'S AT THE BEGINNING. WE EMPHASIZE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS HELPING US BUILD OUR PRIORITIES GOING FORWARD, AND HELPING US BE AWARE OF WHAT'S COMING IN THE FUTURE. IT MIGHT BE MORE PRODUCTIVE. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. YEAH, I THINK MOVING IT BACK TO THE FRONT IS A REALLY GREAT IDEA. I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IT'S A REPORT. WE MIGHT SAY THINGS THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS LIAISONS, BUT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY CONVERSE ABOUT IT. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT DISCIPLINE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU SAY THEN THAT WILL POPULATE THE WORK SESSION. IF EVERYBODY'S LIKE, OH, I WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TOO. YEAH. THEN THEN WE CAN SAY, OH GREAT, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION HERE. BUT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WE CAN PUT IT IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION IF THAT'S WHAT IT WHERE IT BECOMES POPULATED. WE CAN DECIDE AT THAT TIME IF WE WANT IT ON A WORK DAY. CORRECT. THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.

LIKE AND THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT MAYBE AREN'T FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE TO GRAY THERE TOO. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE LIAISONS OUGHT TO TALK TO THE DIRECTOR ABOUT AND SAY, OKAY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE WANT OUT THERE? AND THAT'S WHY AT THE END OF THE MEETING, YOU'RE KIND OF WORKING OUT WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE PARKING LOT FOR THE. YEAH. MY MY PROBLEM WITH LIAISON SYSTEM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY? IT'S THE POWER STRUCTURE. PEOPLE SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM. THE THINGS THAT ARE BUBBLING UP TO US SHOULD BE WHAT WE'RE TELLING THE DIRECTORS. AND RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ALWAYS IN THIS ROLE. I BETTER BE GOOD BECAUSE PJ NEEDS THIS AND I'M I'M PJ'S ADVOCATE AND OR OR IF SOMEONE'S SUPER ACTIVE LIKE YOU ARE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A JOB, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT MORE DONE IN THE CITY THAN SOMEONE LIKE ME OR MICHELLE, BECAUSE YOU CAN GO MEET WITH IT WITH THE DIRECTORS AND HAVE THIS INFLUENCE IN THE CITY THAT'S FAR OUTWEIGHING WHAT WHAT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER IS HAVING. AND THAT RELATIONSHIP IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE. THAT'S WHY I'M INTERESTED IN A COMMITTEE. BUT THAT'S A PARKING LOT. JUST A DISCUSSION POINT SINCE WE SHOULDN'T DISCUSS IT NOW. WELL, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE INTENT SO THAT THAT WHATEVER CONVERSATION YOU'RE HAVING IN THE PUBLIC THEN CAN GET MOVED FORWARD INTO AN AGENDA LIKE THE THE DAY OF. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE MEETINGS, THE MONTHLY MEETINGS AND BUILDING A BUDDY AND A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DIRECTORS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. IT'S

[02:05:01]

AND WHAT'S HAPPENING TO US IS WE'RE GOING THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE A LIST THEY'VE MADE. AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS GOING. SO SO I THINK WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE IT. WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO WITHIN THE CURRENT SYSTEM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO RATHER THAN THROW THE WHOLE THING OUT. I AGREE, IF WE CAN FIND OUR WAY FORWARD, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THE ROOT OF WHAT I'M SEEING.

YEAH. AN EXAMPLE IS WHEN BOULEVARD WHEN THE FIRST TIME I THOUGHT, AND I HEARD YOU SAY, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HEARING ABOUT THE BOULEVARD STRIPING 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO. THAT'S WHEN I THOUGHT, JIM IS DOING WHAT CHRIS WANTS, BECAUSE JIM WOULD HAVE ALWAYS WANTED A HEARING IN MY MIND. THERE'S A LONG STORY YOU AND I NEED TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES, I'M SURE. BUT THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE MOMENTS IN MY HEAD. AND I'VE HAD SOME OF THEM WHERE I'VE BEEN LIKE, OH, I NEED TO ADVOCATE FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS IS MY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT I'M IN THIS DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE I GET SWAYED BY THE DIRECTOR. WELL, I THINK I THINK ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT THE LIAISON SYSTEM IS IF TWO OF US HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION AND MORE SO THAN EVERYBODY ELSE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL BECOME EQUALS AT THIS TABLE AND AT THE DAIS WHERE WE'RE ALL VOTING, AND WE MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN THE REST OF YOU. HOW IS THAT BENEFITING THE WHOLE COUNCIL? IF WE'RE VOTING ON WHAT IS OCCURRING IN THE PUBLIC RECORD, IF IF LIAISON SYSTEM WENT AWAY, HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE BUSINESS THAT WE DO? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE ADMITTING THAT EVERYBODY, THE FOUR OTHER NON LIAISONS ARE JUST AUTOMATICALLY A DISADVANTAGE. YOU'RE UNEDUCATED NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LIAISONS. I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR. AND WE ARE THE LIAISON DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE ISSUE IS. YOU ARE HEARING SOME OF THIS. WE'RE HERE. WE'RE HEARING IT AGAIN FOR A SECOND TIME OR A THIRD TIME IF WE'RE DIRECTORS MAKING A PRESENTATION.

AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS HOW IS IT ACTUALLY BENEFITING THE COUNCIL TO HAVE LIAISON MEETINGS WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUALLY MAKING A DECISION WHEN ONLY TWO PEOPLE HAVE INFORMATION? NOW, SOMETIMES THE INFORMATION WILL COME FORWARD AND DISCUSSION. I WOULD SAY THAT 99.9% OF THE TIME IT DOES NOT. IT'S JUST INFORMATION THAT WE NOW HAVE. RIGHT? IT'S JUST IN MY BRAIN NOW, BUT ALL THE REST OF YOU ARE MAKING THE EXACT SAME DECISION AS ME.

WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION OR PIECES OF IT. I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. BECAUSE. SO I HAVE AN AMOUNT OF TRUST IN YOU THAT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING A LITTLE BIT INTO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT I, I'M OKAY WITH LIKE, WE CAN PUT IT AS A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION FOR A LATER DAY, BUT THIS IS STARTING TO TURN INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MERITS OF IT. I CAUTION YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM IT. OKAY, LET'S JUST HAVE A THOROUGH DISCUSSION ON THIS. THAT IS INTERESTING THOUGH. BUT IS THIS SEEMS LIKE THE WHOLE LIAISON SYSTEM IS ABOVE. IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE. IT'S IT'S NOT A POLICY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S AN ORDINANCE OR NOT. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE AGENDA. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PUBLIC MEETINGS RULES FOR WHATEVER WE TALK ABOUT. BUT THAT'S INTERESTING. IT'S VERY BROAD HERE. QUESTIONS OF DISCUSSION I AGREE, BUT THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT AS WELL. IF YOU COULD DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT. YEAH. WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE ALLOWED AND NOT ALLOWED TO DO IN TERMS OF AN ORGANIZATION AROUND LIAISONS IN THE STATE LAW? OH, THAT I DON'T YEAH, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH LEFT UP TO YOU GUYS. AS FAR AS I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING FASCINATING TO ME BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF JUST A PROCEDURE. IT'S NOT A POLICY OR AN ORDER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON ANYTHING. YEAH. DOES THIS DISCUSSION THAT THEY'RE HAVING NOT FALL UNDER THIS SECTION? DO I HAVE A DIFFERENT DO THEY GET AMENDMENTS. NO, NO. IT'S THE SAME ONE. SO IT'S THE ONE THAT WE HAVE ON EVERY AGENDA WHERE IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? NO, I THINK THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO WORK SESSION SPECIFICALLY ON LIAISONS. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. THAT WE COULD THAT WE COULD DISCUSS THE THAT WE COULD BRING BACK AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE TO, TO HAVE LIKE WHATEVER PROTOCOL. BUT THE, THE GENERAL DISCUSSION ABOUT LIAISON SYSTEM. NOPE.

THAT ONE CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD. SO I'M HAPPY TO HAVE IT. LIKE WHENEVER I THINK WE CAN PUT IT ON THE FUTURE, PUT IT ON FUTURE WORK SESSION. I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY NICE ONE. YEAH, WE COULD PUT IT UP. YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR NEXT WORK SESSION. SO FEBRUARY 9TH. SO WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S WHAT'S IN THE PUBLIC WORKS AGENDA THAT'S PUBLISHED, IF IT SAYS REPORTS FROM LIAISONS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I'M GETTING. YEAH. AND THEN WE START GETTING THE INFORMATION

[02:10:03]

HOW CAN I POSSIBLY COME FORWARD AND SAY, I'M A PARKS AND REC LIAISON? AND I WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WE'RE WORKING ON SETTING UP A XYZ PROGRAM THAT WILL HAVE TO MODIFY ORDINANCE FOR US. AND THEN NO ONE CAN SAY ANYTHING IN RESPONSE TO THAT, BECAUSE THE MOMENT THAT WE HAVE THAT ANYONE EVEN TO RESPOND, HOW IS THAT NOT A CONVERSATION CLASS DISCUSSION ON A POTENTIAL VOTE? THAT WILL BE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. SO SO WE HAVE COVERED OUR BASE WITH WITH HAVING IT HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT REPORTS. I THINK JUST FROM A PUBLIC PUBLIC PERCEPTION, IF WE START GOING TOO MUCH, THAT'S WHY IT'S OKAY TO BRING UP A TOPIC AND TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. IF WE START GOING TOO MUCH INTO DETAIL, I THINK WE KIND OF HAVE A DUTY TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC IN DETAIL. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE.

OUR REPORTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE DETAILED, BECAUSE IF ANYTHING, WE'RE GETTING CRITICISM FROM SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT OUR REPORTS AREN'T DETAILED ENOUGH. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NOT LEARNING ENOUGH. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE WHERE DO WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OPTIONS AND WAYS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS? IT'S NOT THE WORK SESSION. THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE STRUCTURE WAS. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NEXT. I MEAN, I REALIZE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH STATE LAW, BUT IT'S BEEN A FRUSTRATION TO ME FOR TWO YEARS THAT I CAN'T THROW SOMETHING OUT BECAUSE WITH THIS, IS THIS A GOOD IDEA? BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT PICK IT UP AND SAY, WELL, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO DO THIS. NO, I SAID I WANTED TO PUT IT OUT ON THE TABLE TO DISCUSS IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN DO THAT IN A WORK SESSION. I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO, THE WAY I VIEW IT AND WE CAN CHANGE IT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THIS. IS THAT THIS SESSION, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE JUST YOUR YOUR GENERAL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, REPORTS, UPDATES, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN AIR SOMETHING, SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT. CAN WE GET IT ON A WORK SESSION AND THEN IT'S NOTICED UP AND THEN THE CONVERSATION ENDS. YOU GUYS CAN'T PROVIDE FEEDBACK. WE CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'LL GIVE YOU SOME LEEWAY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN THOSE UP. BUT IF IT STARTS GETTING INTO WHAT SOUNDS LIKE, HEY, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE NOTICE OF THIS. SO THE PUBLIC COULD BE AWARE, BECAUSE IF WE JUST PUT REPORTS IN GENERAL, SOMEBODY'S JUST READING THESE, WE'RE LOOKING REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IF SOMEBODY'S READING THE AGENDA FOR A MEETING AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHETHER THEY WANT TO BE THERE OR NOT, YOU KIND OF NEED TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THIS IS KIND OF GOING TO BE THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. IF WE PUT SOMETHING SO VAGUE THAT IT'S JUST REPORTS OR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. AND MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHY TALKING WITH LIAISON SYSTEM, THERE WOULDN'T BE THE EXPECTATION OF THE PUBLIC TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CLEARLY NOTICED, AS THIS IS AN ONGOING WORKING POLICY THAT HAS NO IMPACT ON RESIDENTS, THAT IT HAS NO IMPACT ON TAXPAYERS. AND WE'LL NEVER PASS A POLICY OR A VOTE THAT THAT CONSTITUENTS CAN PARTICIPATE IN. THE IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN CONTINUE IT JUST I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN ACTUAL WORK SESSION THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN SCHEDULED FOR LIAISON SESSION. COULD I GO BACK TO IT? NO, WE JUST WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING IT FOR, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MAKE IT. BUT THIS IS THE EXACT PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WE NEED TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE WE HAVE SCHEDULE OF THAT DISCUSSION. RIGHT. SO DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO PUBLISH THIS FOR SPECIFICS IN THE NEXT. THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT POINT IS HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT. WHAT POINT IS IT TO HAVE A AN ENTIRE BLOCK OF TIME SET OUT IN OUR NEXT WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, IF WE CAN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE DON'T BECAUSE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T NOTICE IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WE CAN'T ADVANCE TOWARDS A DECISION. YEAH. RIGHT. SO SO IF WE SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HAPPENING IN PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND IT, WELL THEN WE OR DO WE TALK ABOUT WE PUT A PLACE ON THERE THAT SAYS NEW BUSINESS OR LIAISON NEW BUSINESS OR WITH WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION AND WE DON'T TYPICALLY VOTE ON ANYTHING. BUT THAT'S NOT IT'S NOT YOU CAN'T. THE OPEN MEETING LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T WORK TOWARDS A POSITION. YEAH. YOU CAN'T. I REALLY WANT YOU TO GO AHEAD. THAT'S WHY THE COMMITTEE SAYS, WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, NOT THAT ANYONE THAT I VET THINGS THROUGH YOU GUYS SOMETIMES. RIGHT? I MEAN, I TRUST THAT YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE DETAILS, RIGHT? AND IF YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, THEN I YOU KNOW, IF MY TRUST IN YOU IS THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA, RIGHT?

[02:15:04]

IF IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THERE THAT YOU'RE NOT SURE ABOUT, YOU'RE FREE TO CALL THE DIRECTOR, AND I, I KNOW YOU DO THAT, AND I DO IT TOO. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'LL CALL EVEN IN MY OWN DEPARTMENT. THEY'LL PUT STUFF ON THERE SOMETIMES. RIGHT? I CALL IT MY OWN DEPARTMENT. BUT LET'S SAY LET'S SAY SOMETHING FROM POWER COMES ON THERE. AND IT REALLY WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT. RIGHT? I MEAN, SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS, EVEN STUFF THAT'S ON THE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. RIGHT. WE'RE BUYING A TRUCK. LET'S SAY WE'RE BUYING A TRUCK AND IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND I HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT. WELL, I CALLED STEVEN UP AND I SAID, HEY, TELL ME, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE SPECS OF THE TRUCK, BUT I'M LIKE, IS THIS A REPLACEMENT? IS IT? YOU KNOW, USUALLY IT SAYS ALL THAT STUFF. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT IT, THEN I CAN CALL HIM. AND WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE OLD ONE OR WHATEVER, I MEAN, BUT HERE'S ANOTHER REASON TO DISCUSS THIS MORNING GROUPTHINK. BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS A RECIPE FOR GROUPTHINK. YEAH. IF YOU'RE JUST TRUSTING MICHELLE BECAUSE SHE'S HEARD IT ALL, YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD AN INSIGHT AS A PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, FIRST RESPONDER THAT COULD HAVE GIVEN US SOME GOOD INSIGHT. BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW GROUPTHINK. NO, IT MEANS WE HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS THAT WITH AS A GROUP, UNFORTUNATELY. AND THAT'S WHY THE LIAISON SYSTEM, I THINK, IS DANGEROUS IN STATE LAW, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S IT'S ADVANCING TOWARDS DECISIONS WITHOUT HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE TO HAVE A QUORUM, TO HAVE AN AGENDA. NOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE? LIKE TWO YEARS AGO AND LAST YEAR, BOTH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WHEN WE DID THE CARDS AND WE WROTE IT ALL DOWN, AND I MEAN, THERE'S A GROUPTHINK THING. WHY WAS THAT SAFER THAN US? IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS. AND I MEAN, IT WAS A PUBLIC MEETING. ANYBODY COULD BE THERE. BUT WE DIDN'T ITEMIZE THE AGENDA. WE BROUGHT THE PRIORITIES. WE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT COUNCIL PRIORITIES, AND WE BROUGHT THOSE PRIORITIES FORWARD. AND THOSE PRIORITIES ARE GOING TO SHOW UP ON OUR AGENDAS. OKAY.

WELL, I'M GOING TO THROW SOMETHING OUT. WE'LL SEE IF THIS WOULD HELP OUT IN LIAISON.

SO WE RECENTLY FOUND OUT YOU CAN'T HAVE DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS IN LLC. I'M GOING TO WORK ON THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN COME BACK FROM LEGAL WITH WHY WE HAVE THAT OR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICE. WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? WHY DOES IT MAKE SENSE OR IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE? WE NEED TO PROCESS THAT NOW. YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF SOMETHING GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES, AND IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT IT, GO TO ZACH OR GO TO WADE. THAT'S WHAT I HOPE WE CAN DO WITH LIAISON IS MAKE THAT KIND OF STATEMENT. AND I'M GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER ONE AND SOUND LIKE SOMETHING YOU COULD DO UNDER THE GENERAL HEADING OF LIAISON REPORTS.

YEAH. NO, THAT'S THAT'S FINE. I JUST AGAIN LIKE WE'VE COVERED OURSELVES I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

AND EVERYTHING HERE TODAY HAS BEEN FINE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE FORWARD THAT HAVING A REPORT LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE BE COVERED THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S RIGHT. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO GO MORE INTO DEPTH ABOUT HEY ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE AN ORDINANCE? LET'S START TWEAKING.

LET'S JUST SUGGESTED LANGUAGE, THAT IS, HAVE A SEPARATE LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO CHANGE. BUT TO ME, THAT SCREAMS THAT YOU'RE STARTING A SERIAL MEETING. NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT COMING TO ME WITH THAT. NOT COMING TO A COUNCIL MEMBER. WE'RE JUST GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ON EVERY QUESTION. YOU LOVE OUR OPINIONS. HOW ABOUT BABY BEAR WAS GOING TO LEAVE THE ROOM? I DON'T THINK SO. PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY OR SOMETHING. BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SERIAL MEETING, IN MY VIEW. BECAUSE I'M NOT ASKING PEOPLE TO GIVE ME FEEDBACK OR THE MAYOR. I'M SAYING GO TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, GO TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND FIND OUT WHATEVER YOU NEED TO KNOW. ONLY I DO. I'M ONE ON ONE WITH WITH LEGAL OR WITH CDS OR WITH WHOEVER. EXACTLY. BUT REMEMBER WHAT WE HEARD DURING THE ELECTION. WE COME HERE AND IT'S A DONE DEAL, AND THEY'RE VOTING AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TRANSPARENT. THAT'S BALONEY. I DON'T YEAH, I CAN TELL PEOPLE YOU HEARD IT LOUD AND CLEAR. IT WAS A YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT WAS THE THOUGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SAID, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HEAR SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO CONVINCE ME ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I CAN'T MAKE UP MY MIND RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. ACTUALLY, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE REALLY WANTED TO DO FOR EIGHT YEARS, MORE OF IT. AND WE STARTED TO DO IT TALK AMONG OURSELVES BEFORE WE SIT UP THERE AND VOTE YAY OR NAY. I THINK WE'RE ON. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY SOMEHOW WE NEED THESE DISCUSSIONS ANYWAY. WE CAN GO. NO, DON'T DON'T. I'M NOT. I'M NOT ENDING THIS DISCUSSION. I'M RIGHT WITH YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. AND THIS

[02:20:05]

AND IS AND THIS IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. NOT NOT FOR TODAY NECESSARILY, BUT IS THERE A CATEGORY IN ANY OF YOUR HEADS ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF THING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, OR WHAT TYPE OF DECISIONS DO WE MAKE ON THURSDAY NIGHT THAT WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT? BEFORE? AND I THINK I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. OKAY, I REALLY LIKED THE CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT GOING OUT FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT WITH THE SCHOOL ZONING CODE. I WOULD NOT HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THAT COME FORWARD IN LIKE WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC MEETING, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S THERE. AND NOT KNOWING THAT THERE WAS EVEN THAT CHANCE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATED THEM PUTTING THAT ON THE AGENDA. I THINK THE OTHER ONE TODAY WAS THE IMPACT FEE. LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION COME AND DO THAT EVERY MONTH. GIVE US FEEDBACK. YEAH. YEP. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ON THAT MONDAY DURING OUR WORK SESSION. LIKE WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE SAY, ME TOO, ME TOO, ME TOO. AND THEN 8 A.M.

THAT NEXT MORNING, ALL DIRECTORS ARE HAVING THE DIRECTORS DEPARTMENT MEETING IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT PUDS? HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE BEFORE WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SCHOOL CROSSINGS? WHATEVER IT IS THAT REALLY HAS RISEN TO THE LEVEL OF COUNCIL THAT IT'S LIKE WE NEEDED, WE NEED A WORK SESSION ON THIS. YEAH. OKAY. WITH THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S A I DON'T WANT TO THROW IT OUT. I LIKE TO I MEAN, FOR ONE REASON, FOR ONE THING, YOU CAN'T KNOW EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THERE'S TOO MUCH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT STARTED I THINK THAT THEY DIDN'T USED TO DO IT BECAUSE IT WAS SIMPLER. BUT YEAH, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH DEPTH IN EACH DEPARTMENT THAT YOU JUST CAN'T WRAP YOUR MIND AROUND. I MEAN, IT WOULD JUST TAKE ALL YOUR TIME, YOU KNOW, AND I'M GOING TO REVISE MY PRIOR DECISION OR PRIOR ADVICE. SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I'M UNDERSTANDING THE LIAISON SYSTEM. THAT'S JUST YOU APPOINTING PEOPLE. IT'S NOT A DECISION BY COUNCIL, CORRECT? OKAY. SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW. THAT'S FINE. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LEADING TO A DECISION BY THIS BODY. IT'S JUST. YEAH.

IT'S JUST A IT'S JUST WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE LIAISON SYSTEM VERSUS THE COMMITTEE SYSTEM VERSUS NO SYSTEM. AND HOW WE GET THAT FORWARD ON TO WORK SESSIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU GOT ON THE SHELF, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION MOVING, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT LITTLE WHILE.

AND IF I IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL PIVOT LIKE, I'M NOT I'M NOT MARRIED TO ANY OF IT. AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS JUST FEEDBACK LOOPS. I MEAN, THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE HEARD FROM THE ELECTION WAS, WHEN DO WE GET A CHANCE TO JUST HAVE OPEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PUBLIC? AND DO WE WANT THEM? AND I THINK SOME OF US MAY AND SOME OF US MAY NOT, BUT IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC WITH AN AGENDA. YEAH. WELL THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE, WHICH IS WHICH IS KIND OF WHY WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE DON'T RESPOND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING UP. WE CAN'T, BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE GET THAT, AS SOON AS WE RESPOND BACK, WE HAVE CREATED WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FREE. IF YOU WANTED TO TO SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE WORK SESSION FOR DATE? DATE, CERTAIN. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE. IT'S JUST THEN THAT WAY THE PUBLIC'S NOTICE THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC AND SAY, AND THAT WAY THEY CAN FEEL HEARD THAT, HEY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC MEETINGS VIOLATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DEBATED WITH THEM. ALL IT IS, IS WE SAID, OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE'D LIKE A WORK SESSION ON THAT AND LET'S, LET'S HAVE YOU COME BACK AND LET'S HAVE A DIALOG. AND, AND OFTENTIMES THAT IS MAYOR CASPER WOULD HAVE A DIRECTOR.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER RIGHT HERE. BUT HERE'S THE DIRECTOR, OKAY. HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION JUST FOR LEGAL, MY VISION IS TO GO TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A $10 BOOTH AT THE FARMER'S MARKET EVERY SATURDAY AND HAVE TWO OF US VOLUNTEER TO JUST GO LISTEN AND INTERACT, AND THEN HAVE A DIRECTOR THERE THAT'S WITH US. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, THAT'S FINE. I JUST NEED IT'S TOO HARD TO SET UP TOWN MEETINGS AT, SAY, THE SCHOOLS. BUT TWO OF US COULD GO JUST LIKE WE DO DURING CAMPAIGN SOMETIMES. YEAH, I

[02:25:06]

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL CONTROLS THE AGENDA, SO WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, WHICH GOES BACK TO THE COMMITTEE SYSTEM, WHICH IS HOW YOU GOT ON THE AGENDA WAS TWO VOTES OUT OF THREE. OKAY. I'LL TRY TO GET TOGETHER A HISTORY OF THE COMMITTEE SYSTEM SO PEOPLE CAN KIND OF SEE A VISION OF WHAT THAT WAS. AND IT WAS LIKE THAT BEFORE MAYOR CASPER. IS THAT THE DEAL? OKAY. I REMEMBER BEING TALKED ABOUT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT ACTUALLY WOULD EXECUTE. BEFORE THERE WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. THERE WAS A LIFESTYLE COMMITTEE LIKE FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE ON THOSE THREE ON EACH, AND THEY HAD MEETINGS EVERY MEETING EVERY WEEK. SO IT WAS ONE WEEK WAS THE COMMITTEE MEETING, ONE WEEK WAS THE WAS THE ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND TO GET ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA OR THE OR THE THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING, YOU HAD TO GET TWO VOTES OUT OF THE COMMITTEE TO GET ONTO THE AGENDA. DOES THAT SEEM, THOUGH, ALSO THAT ONCE AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT NOW YOU HAVE THE LIAISON SYSTEM, ONLY IT'S THREE PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE ALL THE CONTROL BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE THEY'RE CONTROLLING THE AGENDA. ANYONE COULD COME TO ANY COMMITTEE OKAY. SO YOU WERE ALWAYS WELCOMED, BUT YOU NEEDED THREE VOTES AND YOU COULD IF TWO OR MORE VOTES, YOU COULD GET IT ON THE AGENDA. BUT WHAT WAS INTERESTING SO THEY COULD THEY WERE NOTICED. YEAH, THEY WERE NOTICED. AND WHAT WAS DIFFERENT IS THE THE DIRECTOR HAD TO COME CONVINCE THE JUDGE, ESSENTIALLY THE COMMITTEE RIGHT. HAD TO CONVINCE SIX PEOPLE OR 4 OR 3, WHOEVER IS THE COMMITTEE OF THE SAFETY COMMITTEE. RIGHT. INTERESTING. BUT I'LL LOOK IT UP AND TRY TO DO SOME MINUTES. I'D NEED MORE INFORMATION. YEAH, I'VE HEARD SOME NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT COMMITTEES. I HAVE A LIAISON REPORT. I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. LET'S HEAR IT WITH THE POLICE TODAY. AND THIS IS. I GOT THIS LETTER, KIRK. GOT IT. JUST YEAR END CRIME DATA IS IN, AND I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH A FEW OF THE THINGS. VIOLENT CRIME WAS DOWN 1%. THIS IS FROM LAST YEAR. SO LITTLE CHANGE. CLEARANCE RATES ROSE IN. LET'S SEE, 53.4% OF VIOLENT CRIMES WERE SOLVED. AND IN 2025, 58.7 WERE SOLVED. SO THAT WENT UP 5% A LITTLE OVER, HE SAYS A 10% INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME CLEARANCE RATES. PROPERTY CRIME CLEARANCE RATES FOLLOW A SIMILAR PATTERN. WE GOT ONLINE REPORTS ARE UP 35%. YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE ONLINE REPORT, THEY WERE UP IN THE THOUSANDS PERCENT. SO THIS IS KIND OF LEVELED OFF NOW. BUT THEY'RE STILL UP 35%. GROUP B CRIMES ARE DOWN 3%. DRUG OFFENSES ARE DOWN 22%, PROPERTY CRIMES DOWN 10%. VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN 1%. TRAFFIC STOPS ARE UP 30% AND ONLINE REPORTING UP 35%. AND INCIDENTS TOTAL INCIDENCE IS UP 4%, WHICH IS ABOUT 3000 MORE INCIDENTS THIS YEAR THAN THE YEAR BEFORE. I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL BECAUSE YOU'D EXPECT TOTAL INCIDENTS TO GROW YEAR OVER YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE LIVING HERE. BUT YOU SEE A LOT MORE OF THEM ARE GETTING REPORTED ONLINE, WHICH WAS THE GOAL. AND THEY'RE SOLVING THEY'RE SOLVING MORE OF THEM. YES. BUT I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT'S REALLY GOOD IS ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS WE HEARD A YEAR OR SO AGO WAS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PATROL. WE'RE NOT SEEING ENOUGH POLICE ON THE STREETS CONTROLLING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STOP SIGNS SPEEDING. OKAY. DUIS ARE UP, TRAFFIC STOPS ARE UP 30%. YEAH, I'VE CERTAINLY SEEN THAT HAPPEN. AND I'VE ALSO HAD

[02:30:07]

JIM. OH, I GOT A LOT. OKAY. JIM. JIM TAKING NOTES AND. YEAH, THIS GUY MUST HAVE BEEN A TEACHER OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FROM PARKS AND REC IS THE SLED HILL IS CLOSED. PERIOD. END OF STORY. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF SNOW. THERE'S A CONTRACT. THEY'RE OUT. GATEWAY IS OUT. THAT COMPANY. BUT WE MAY SEE SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE.

THEY'VE TAKEN THEIR EQUIPMENT OUT. AND THAT WAS ACCORDING TO THE. EVERYTHING'S DONE PROPERLY AS FAR AS THAT GOES. I THINK THAT'S IT. I THINK THERE IS A TIME ALLOCATION POLICY THAT PARKS HAS DEVELOPED. PARKS ARE DEVELOPED FOR ALL OF THE VARIOUS FACILITIES, AND IT'S STILL DRAFT STAGE. AND HE'S LOOKING FOR MORE INPUT FROM THE HOCKEY COMMUNITY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IN EARLY FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 3RD. BUT IT WAS COMPLICATED FOR HIM TO DEVELOP IT. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION DON'T ANSWER THIS OUT LOUD BECAUSE BUT IS IT SOMETHING YOU ALL WANT TO VOTE ON AS COUNCIL TO GIVE THE CLOUT BACK TO PARKS AND REC WHEN HE ACTUALLY COMES UP WITH SOMETHING? SO THEY SAY, WELL, THIS IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL. OR DO WE SAY IT'S ONE OF THOSE INTERNAL POLICIES WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT? AND THAT'S NOT TO BE ANSWERED RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE SLEDDING HILL? YES. IS THAT PIECE OF DIRT RESPONSIBILITY OF PARKS AND REC? OKAY, THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH IT. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION. OBSERVATION HILL.

YEAH, WELL, REMEMBER, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF HERITAGE PARK. YES.

YEAH. BUT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE JUST WEST OF THAT. A LITTLE SOUTH ARE REALLY HAPPY ABOUT IT THOUGH. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE SECOND THING I'M, I'M WORKING ON, AS I SAID, EFFICIENCY AND CONSISTENCY, PARTICULARLY RIGHT NOW, THE TOPIC OF ALCOHOL, THE WHOLE WORKS. SO FAR I'VE MET WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND I WILL BE BACK MANY TIMES. AS YOU PROBABLY KNOWS, WE CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU AND ME TO BE. YEAH, YEAH. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I MET WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT SERGEANT NORMAN AND CHIEF JOHNSON. I MET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I MET WITH CDS BRIEFLY ON THE SAME ISSUE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. AND MY NEXT MEETING IS WITH THE CITY CLERK, AND I WILL ARRANGE THAT MEETING.

ONCE I GATHER ALL OF THAT, I'M GOING TO BRING IT TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GO. BUT IF YOU HAVE INPUT ON ANYTHING TO DO WITH ALCOHOL OR INCONSISTENCIES, PLEASE SEND IT TO ZACH. SO DON'T SEND IT TO ME. SO IT'S NOT I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ASK THIS. WHAT WHAT CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF THE OF AN INCONSISTENCY? I THINK I KNOW, BUT AN EXAMPLE OF AN INCONSISTENCY THAT YOU'RE THINKING WHEN IS AN EVENT CENTER PUBLIC AND WHEN IS IT PRIVATE? OKAY. AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU SERVE ALCOHOL IN A PRIVATE SPACE, AS A FAMILY, AS A PRIVATE PARTY? YEAH. AND I THINK THE CITY CLERK HAS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS FOR ME TO HEAR.

AND, AND I WOULD SAY THIS TOO, FOR I THINK THIS IS MAKING THE REALLY GREAT POINT ABOUT THE LIAISON SYSTEM AND HOW SOME OF THAT IS WORKING. MARGARET, AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF, THIS THIS IS FOR INFORMATION THAT CATHERINE IS REALLY FOCUSED. WE WE'RE REWRITING SOME JOB DESCRIPTIONS. CATHERINE IS REALLY FOCUSING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY.

IT'S MAKING IT A VIBRANT CITY. SHE'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE IDAHO FALLS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT WITH IFRA. IT'S REALLY JUST GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON THE CITY AND NOT SOME OF THIS EXTERNAL WORK THAT SHE HAS BEEN DOING. SO REAL FOCUS, MARGARET, IS REALLY GOING TO BE THAT INTER-DEPARTMENTAL COORDINATOR WITH THE DEPARTMENT SO THAT WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO IS LIKE, OH, I'M GOING TO GO MEET WITH THIS PERSON. THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THOSE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, AS COORDINATED WITH MARGARET. BUT AS CHIEF OF STAFF, SHE WILL KIND OF HAVE THAT ROLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THOSE MEETINGS

[02:35:02]

OKAY. AND THEN HAVE PUBLIC WORKS. YEAH. NO. SO WE HAVE 20 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THIS OKAY. SO JUST CAME OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS ONE. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE ODD COMING ON THURSDAY. IT'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INVOLVING PUBLIC WORKS. AND IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH CDS BECAUSE IT RELATES TO JUST THE EXTENSION OF SEWER AND WATER, AS OPPOSED SEWER AND WATER TO CHRIST'S COMMUNITY CHURCH. I THINK IT'S ABOUT IT'S USUALLY A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMING OUT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT THIS ONE'S COMING OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS. I'M NOT SURE. THE MAP WE LOOKED AT WAS ONLY WATER, BUT OKAY, OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON, BUT JUST BE AWARE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN WE NORMALLY SEE IT. ALSO, CARL, UTTER RETIREMENT IS THE 22ND IN THE AFTERNOON AT THE WASTEWATER PLANTS. AND THEN IN TERMS OF GRANT APPLICATIONS JUST SORRY. YEAH. CAN WE GET A REPORT, PUT THIS ON SOMEWHERE THAT AT LEAST AT THE THE WATER. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER COME TO US AS TO WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE AND WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE SHOULDN'T DO. I KNOW WE GOT AN EMAIL. WE DID WE DID KIND OF GIVE A REPORT. SO THE SCHEDULE FOR THE BUILD OUT OF THE TOUGHEST PARK PATHWAY IS 28 AND 2828. THAT PATHWAY THAT WILL GO ALL THE WAY AROUND IN TOUGHEST PARK. YOU KNOW, WE GOT PART OF IT ALONG THE PARK, BUT THERE'LL BE MORE. IS THERE A MAP? THERE IS A WE DON'T HAVE I MEAN WE JUST APPLIED FOR THE GRANT OR WE DECIDED FOR THE GRANT. I BELIEVE THAT IS SIGNED FOR I BELIEVE THESE TWO ARE DONE DEALS OUT OF THE TAP GROUNDS. AND THE OTHER ONE IS IDAHO CANAL TRAIL ALONG FROM LOVEJOY OUT TO LINCOLN ROAD, WHICH REALLY MAKES A LOOP ALL THE WAY AROUND THE GOLF COURSE, ESSENTIALLY. FOR THAT, THE PUBLIC WORKS IS APPLYING FOR THREE FOR OTHER GRANTS.

CONNECTION TO TUFTS PARK, WHICH INVOLVES A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT ALONG RULE AND DEBT, I BELIEVE. SAND CREEK PATHWAY NEAR THE HOSPITAL. IT'S ONE THAT COMPLETES A PATHWAY DOWN TO SUNNYSIDE, RUNS ALONG THE CANAL. YEAH. OVER THERE, THE LINCOLN ROAD BRIDGE, THAT ONE I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, BUT IT'S ODD. IT'S WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT THIS JANUARY. IT'S EIGHT YEARS OUT. THE THIS IS PART OF IT'S PART OF THE MPO. AND THEN US LONG TERM, ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS OUT, IT WILL COME TO THE POINT WE HAVE TO SIGNAL THE COSTCO ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. AND APPARENTLY THE COUNTY IS TAKING OUT AT LEAST

[02:40:01]

BUT SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUTS SEEM TO BE FAIRLY WELL. PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THEM. USED TO GO ONE WAY. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S A SIMPLE CONCEPT, BUT MULTI-LANE CAUSES A LOT OF DISCUSSION. SO THERE YOU GO. AND THE VA COMPANY BOUGHT OUT THE DOWNTOWN COMPANY THAT WAS CONTRACTED FOR.

OH YES. PRETTY SURE NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE. BUT IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE HAD BID ON THAT. THAT IS SO WILD. YEAH. THERE'S A BIG LONG STORY. WHY THAT'S INTERESTING. WHY? YEAH.

AND THE LAST THING FROM PUBLIC WORKS IS THEY'RE PART OF A STUDY GROUP, A POLICY FOR LIGHTING THE WATER TOWER. OKAY. YOU CAN TAKE A VARIETY OF ROUTES. I HAVE TWO VERY QUICK THINGS. ERP IS A JUNE LAUNCH. IT IS A CITY PRIORITY. EVERYTHING ELSE HAS GOT TO SOMEHOW BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH. THERE STILL HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT. BUT THE ERP, A BAD ROLL OUT OF THAT OR A PUSHED TIMELINE, OR WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO THIS MUCH AND NOT ALL THAT. IT'S JUST JUST REMEMBER THAT IN THE LIAISON MEETING. SO I MAY GET A PHONE CALL TO COME DOWN AND WORK ON A SATURDAY. YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT GET A PHONE CALL AND YOU BETTER BE JOHNNY ON THE SPOT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FIXED. I'M SAYING IN UNLESS I'M SAYING IT SHOULD BE FIXED. OKAY. PLEASE DON'T DO PLEASE DON'T DON'T ADD THINGS TO THE DIRECTORS. PLEASE DON'T. OKAY. OKAY. YES. IF WE CAN JUST THEY WE'VE GOT TO ALL PULL IN THAT SAME NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. IT'S GOT TO BE THE NUMBER ONE BECAUSE IT IT'S THE FINANCIAL PIECE. EMPLOYEES HAVE TO GET PAID. ASSETS HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR. WE DON'T WANT FIVE MATERIAL FINDINGS IN OUR AUDIT. RIGHT. LIKE AND THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT US NEXT YEAR NOT THIS YEAR IF WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD ROLLOUT A SMOOTH ROLLOUT.

WE WON'T KNOW IT UNTIL TWO MONTHS LATER, THREE MONTHS LATER WHEN WE'RE IN COURT WITH HAVING NOT PAID OR NOT HAD THE RIGHT TIME OFF. IT'S IT'S REALLY IT'S CRITICAL TO THE FUNCTION OF THE CITY. PAYROLL IS A REAL SENSITIVE ITEM. YEAH. PAYROLL TIME OFF ALL OF ALL OF THERE'S A LOT THAT'S COMING OUT IN POLICY WORK BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ERP. OH, WHO ANSWERS TO WHO? WHOSE TIME CARD. WHO'S IT'S COMING. IT'S THE WORKFLOW AND THE ASSET MANAGEMENT THROUGH SPRY POINT. IT'S LIKE JUST BE REALLY MINDFUL OF THAT AND SUPERVISOR TRAINING. CORRECT. IT'S ALL THERE. AND THEN FINALLY OUR UTILITY BOARD IS TIME CHANGED.

IT'S NOT A MISTAKE. IT IS 8 TO 11. SOME OF THE AGENDA WAS BEING JUST TO FIT THE TIME INSTEAD OF LIKE, WHAT DO WE REALLY THINK IT MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE TO 1130, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S 8 TO 11 ON THE WEDNESDAY, ONCE A MONTH, ONCE A MONTH. OKAY. FIRST WEDNESDAY ON THE COUNCIL WEEK, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. SO THAT'LL BE THE WELL YEAH, THE COUNCIL WEEK. IF IT'S WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S THE COUNCIL. IT'S THE WEDNESDAY OF THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING. VERY GOOD. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO SAY THE FIRST THURSDAY, SECOND THURSDAY. EXCEPT WHEN IT ISN'T.

EXCEPT IT ISN'T. OKAY. A QUIZ ON THURSDAY. OKAY. JIM, PLEASE I MOVE. COUNCIL RECEIVED THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE JANUARY 6TH, 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT. OKAY, OKAY, I COULDN'T TELL WHO SECONDED THAT.

JOHN REDFORD. THANK YOU. FRANCIS I. FREEMAN. YES. DINGMAN. YES. LARSON. YES.

[Executive Session]

[02:45:02]

RADFORD. A. DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS I. LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. OKA

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