[1. Call to Order]
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WELCOME TO THE IDAHO FALLS CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I AM THE CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT. AND SO THAT IS WHY I AM ACTING AS MAYOR PRO TEM TONIGHT. REBECCA CASPER IS GONE ON CITY BUSINESS. SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH. WE WILL BEGIN TONIGHT BY CALLING THE THE ROLE FOR THE QUORUM. AND THEN WE'VE ASKED AUSTIN BLACK TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. YES. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE. COUNSELOR BRADFORD. PRESENT. COUNSELOR. DINGMAN HERE. COUNSELOR.
FREEMAN. HERE. COUNSELOR. FRANCIS HERE. COUNSELOR. LARSON HERE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, SO NOW IS THE TIME OF OUR MEETING THAT WE HAVE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT. THE COUNCIL WON'T SPEAK BACK BECAUSE IT ISN'T ON THE AGENDA. SO THAT WOULD BREAK OUR OPEN MEETING LAWS FOR PUBLICATION. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL, AND THEN WE DO HAVE DIRECTORS AROUND THE ROOM WHO CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND
[3. Public Comment]
WE CAN PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH THEM. SO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW IT'S THREE MINUTES. IF ANYBODY IS HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE WHAT IS ON A HEARING TONIGHT, WE WOULD INVITE THEM TO COME TO THE PODIUM. AND IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, BRETT SKIDMORE 39 .37 SECOND US OPEN. MAYOR CASPER WILL BE HERE. I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR THE SERVICE THAT SHE HAS SERVED DURING HER PRESENCE HERE, AND I REALLY HAVE APPRECIATED THE RELATIONSHIP THAT SHE AND I HAVE HAD DURING HER HER TENURE HERE. WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS SEEN EYE TO EYE, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER ON STAMPS. MAYOR ELECT BIRKENSHAW, I SENT YOU A FEW RATS AND I WANT TO PERSONALLY CONGRATULATE YOU ON THE ELECTION. WOW, THAT WAS A NASTY ONE. BUT IT'S OVER. YOU AND I HAD A PHONE CALL IN AUGUST BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN SEASON, AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE THAT YOU AND I WILL HAVE A SIMILAR RELATIONSHIP AS MAYOR CASPER AND I. AND I'LL HOLD TRUE TO MY STATEMENTS. SO CONGRATULATIONS. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PRESENCE HERE.THANK YOU. FRANCIS, AND I'M REALLY SADDENED THAT THE LETTER WENT OUT. I'M SORRY IT WASN'T YOU. DUDE. I LET IT WENT OUT TO TO ALL OF THE THE. CITIZENS IN IDAHO FALLS. AND EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T CALL ME OUT FOR BACKING IT, IT DEFINITELY COINCIDED WITH WHAT WAS CARRYING ON WITH SOCIAL MEDIA. AND I'M GOING TO ADMIT THAT BOTH SIDES, NOT NOT THE CANDIDATES, BUT BOTH SIDES OF OF THE OF THE CAMPAIGN HIT ME. MY COMPANY, WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1958, ALMOST 70 YEARS, AND ALSO ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT HAS DONE GREAT THINGS. AND I WON'T MENTION NAMES. IT'S DONE GREAT THINGS IN THIS COMMUNITY. SOCIAL MEDIA WAS EXTREMELY NASTY, AND. IF I WAS TO DRAW A MAP OF WHAT MY MOM AND DAD STARTED IN 1958 AND THE AREAS THAT WE DEVELOPED, YOU WOULD BE AMAZED. AND LET ME BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. MY HIGHEST DENSITY IS HANDLING TOWNHOUSES, WHICH WERE 7 OR 8 SINGLE STORY COMPLEXES. IT'S NOT 2 OR $300, 2 OR 300 DOORS. SO WE'VE BEEN WHAT I CONSIDER A VERY LOW IMPACT. BUT THE LETTER THAT WENT OUT IMPLIED EXTREMELY HARD, AND EVERYBODY WAS ON SOCIAL MEDIA KNEW THAT WAS WHO YOU WERE, HOW THE LETTER WAS ORCHESTRATED. AND IT JUST REALLY SADDENS ME THAT IDAHO FALLS HAS GOTTEN TO THAT POINT IN POLITICS. AND THANK YOU FOR NOT CALLING ME OUT PERSONALLY, BUT WOW, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S BETTER OURSELVES ON THE NEXT ELECTION THAT'S COMING UP AND NOT GOOD POLITICS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SKIDMORE. NICE. I THINK WE DO HAVE THE I KNOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IN MORE CHAIRS. SO IF, IF, IF STAFF. YES. IF
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YOUR MIND. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. YES. HELPING BRING IN. I KNOW THERE'S A FEW CHAIRS OVER HERE, I, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO COME IN TO NOT FEEL LIKE. OR THERE'S CHAIRS HERE THAT, THAT. AND I JUST THINK AS PEOPLE COME IN TO THE ROOM THAT WE WILL WANT TO THANK YOU, TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT?[4. CONSENT AGENDA]
OKAY. NOW WE WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT IS JUST REGULAR ITEMS THAT COME ROUTINELY, EVERY EVERY MONTH, WE EVERY WEEK WE HAVE SOMETHING ON CONSENT. AND WE DO HAVE.COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS IS GOING TO PULL ONE FROM HIM. RIGHT. I WOULD SAY WE MOVE A TWO TO ADJOURN THE APPOINTMENT FROM CONSENT TO THE REGULAR AGENDA AND MAKE IT TO ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, AND WOULD APPEAR AS REGULAR AGENDA A AND ALL THE LETTERS WOULD THEN MOVE DOWN ONE. OKAY, SO COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS IS MOVING THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. AND THEN. SO ARE WE READY FOR THAT THEN? OKAY, SO THEN WE'D ASK THE CLERK TO READ THE ITEMS IN THE REGULAR AGENDA, EXCUSE ME, IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO REMOVING THAT ITEM AND MOVING IT TO THE REGULAR AGENDA LEAVES US WITH SEVEN ITEMS FROM THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR. WE HAVE THE APPOINTMENT OF DEANNE HARKER AND THE REAPPOINTMENT OF BILL SCOTT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE REAPPOINTMENT OF KIM SMITH, LEE RADFORD AND ROD RAPP, RESPECTIVELY, TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, AND IDAHO FALLS PUBLIC LIBRARY'S BOARD OF TRUSTEES. FROM MUNICIPAL SERVICES, WE HAVE A BID APPROVAL FOR ROAD SALT FROM COMPASS MATERIALS AMERICA FOR $136,350. WE HAVE THE RENEWAL OF THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH CENTRAL SQUARE FOR $131,457.85, AND WE HAVE A RENEWAL OF ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH CITY WORKS AZTEC SYSTEMS FOR $78,875 FROM PUBLIC WORKS. WE HAVE A BID AWARD RECONSIDERATION. DUE TO AN ERROR IN THE OCTOBER MOTION FOR SEWER LINE REHABILITATION TO NATIONAL POWER ROTTING CORP.
FOR $965,995 FROM IDAHO FALLS POWER. WE HAVE THEIR BOARD MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025 AND FROM MY OFFICE, THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK. WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025. WE GET A MOTION ON THE CONSENT. YOU BET. I MOVE THE COUNCIL, APPROVE, ACCEPT OR RECEIVE ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY, A VOTE PLEASE. WHO WHO SECONDED THAT? MICHELLE OKAY. THANK YOU. BURTENSHAW. YES. DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS A. FREEMAN. YES. LARSEN. YES.
RADFORD. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION. THERE WAS ONE ITEM WE WANTED TO. YES. DO WE DO THAT NOW? RIGHT NOW, AS WE ARE ON TO THE OUR NEXT, WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. AND WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM THAT COUNCIL MEMBER KIRK LARSON IS GOING TO ADDRESS. I LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR UNDER SOME PAGE NINE HEADING ON IT TO MUNICIPAL SERVICES. IT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE LEASE. TURNS OUT THERE AREN'T THAT MANY CARS AVAILABLE, SO IT'S INACCURATE THE WAY IT'S ON THE AGENDA. SO WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE IT AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN NEXT WEEK. THANK YOU. SO WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA. I'M NOT DONE THIS BEFORE. SO I MOVE THE COUNCIL REMOVE ITEM. F, MUNICIPAL SERVICES NUMBER FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES. SECOND. OH PLEASE FRANCIS I.
DINGMAN. YES. BURTENSHAW. YES. FREEMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. RADFORD. AYE. MOTION CARRIES.
NOW, DO WE NEED TO ADOPT THE AMENDED AGENDA OR DO WE JUST. WE'RE FINE. OKAY, OKAY. IT HAS
[4.A.2) City Attorney Appointment and Confirmation]
BEEN. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA AND WE WILL BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE LEGAL APPOINTMENT. I MOVE COUNCIL, GIVE CONSENT AND CONFIRM THE APPOINTMENT OF ZACHARY JONES TO SERVE AS THE CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO IDAHO FALLS CITY[00:10:05]
CODE 310 TWO AND IDAHO CODE 50 DASH 204, SECOND. OKAY, SO THIS IS APPOINTING OUR CURRENT INTERIM LEGAL. COUNSEL INTO OUR PERMANENT LEGAL COUNCIL AS PRESENTED. SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR A CALL. FRANCIS. HI. FREEMAN. YES. DINGMAN. YES. LARSON. YES.BRADFORD A BURTENSHAW. YES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. NOW WE ARE ON TO ITEM B, PUBLIC WORKS.
[5.A.1) Negotiated Contract - Idaho Falls Water Tank Demolition]
WE HAVE THE NEGOTIATED CONTRACT FOR THE IDAHO FALLS WATER TOWER. LET'S ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. AS MENTIONED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, IS THAT THE NEGOTIATED CONTRACT WITH ASCENDANT LLC FOR THE DEMOLITION OF OUR WATER TOWER.AS YOU MAY RECALL, PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACTOR PRE-QUALIFICATION FOR THIS WORK, BUT RECEIVED NO QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR. SO ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2025, WE GAINED APPROVAL TO SEEK THIS DEMOLITION SERVICE ON THE OPEN MARKET. SO THIS IS NOW BRINGING THE CONTRACT BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE COST TO COMPLETE THE WORK IS $629,085, AND WORKING WITH TEN TO BEGIN ON JANUARY 5TH AND COMPLETED WITHIN 45 CALENDAR DAYS. STAFF HAVE WORKED WITH A NUMBER OF ENTITIES TO SALVAGE VARIOUS PIECES OF THE TEAM TO MEMORIALIZE THE TOWER SERVICE, AND THIS INCLUDES PORTIONS THAT WE INTEND TO INCORPORATE INTO A FUTURE WATER ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN I'M JUST CURIOUS IF WE HAD AN ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE ON THE COST OF TAKING THIS DOWN.
WE DID. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS AND NEGOTIATED CONTRACT WITH ASCENDANT LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $629,085 AND GIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE, FRANCIS I. FREEMAN. YES. DINGMAN. YES.
LARSON. YES. RADFORD A BURTENSHAW. YES. MOTION CARRIES NEXT. EXCUSE ME. NEXT IS STEVEN
[5.B.1) IFP 26-01 City Plant Runner Hub Rebuild]
BORMAN, OUR INTERIM IDAHO FALLS POWER DIRECTOR. WELL, AND THIS ITEM IS FOR THE CITY PLANT RUNNER HUB. THAT IS THE ACTUAL WATER PART OF THE WATER GOES THROUGH. THIS WILL BE THE THIRD TIME WE'VE DONE THIS ON. WE'VE DONE IT ON THE LOWER PLANT PLANT. SO THIS IS THE CITY PLAN.WE ALSO WERE DOING ELECTRICAL WORK ON CONCURRENT WITH THIS WHICH YOU APPROVED BEFORE. SO THIS IS THE LOW BID. AND IT'S RIVERSIDE WHICH IS THE WORKHORSE OF BOISE. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET A CONTRACT. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS WORK. MR. BORMAN, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FOR THE PUBLIC WHAT A RUNNER HUB IS? OKAY. SO HONOR BULB TURBINES.
THERE'S A THERE'S A PIECES LIKE A PROPELLER THAT SITS IN THE RIVER. THE WATER FLOWS THROUGH AND LIKE PROPELLERS GOT PITCH ON IT. SO THOSE BLADES WILL CHANGE THEIR ANGLE. SO ALL THOSE HYDRAULIC COMPONENTS INSIDE THERE WAREHOUSE, THIS IS THE PART THAT THE WATER FLOWS PAST, YOU KNOW, ALL YEAR LONG. SO IT GETS IT GETS A LOT OF WEAR. AND THOSE INTERNAL PARTS IN THERE MOVE QUITE A BIT. AND, AND WE DO GET A LOT OF YEARS OUT OF THAT. THEY'RE READY TO BE REBUILT. AND AND IF YOU EVER TOUR ONE OF OURS IT'S LIKE TAKING A BOAT, PUTTING A BOAT AND GET INSIDE A BOTTLE. SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO GET THEM OUT. SO YOU HAVE TO SHUT THE TURBINE DOWN FOR A WHILE. IS THAT RIGHT? OR THE COST OF THIS PROJECT FOR LOST GENERATION, WHICH IS ABOUT NINE MONTHS, IS GREATER THAN THE CAPITAL COST OF THE WORK. BUT OUR PEAKING PLANT IS READY TO GO. SO SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. WILL YOU STAY AT THE PODIUM FOR ONE MORE SECOND AS WE MAKE OUR AS WE DO THE MOTION AND GET THE VOTE IN CASE THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. OH, WE NEED A MOTION. EXCUSE ME I GOT IT. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I WOULD MOVE THE COUNCIL APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT WITH RIVERSIDE INCORPORATED FOR THE CITY'S PLANT RUNNER HUB BUILT, REBUILT TO A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $902,000 $100,000 AND GIVE AUTHORIZATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND, A BOAT CALL, PLEASE. I DO WANT TO JUST GO ON THE RECORD AND CLARIFY THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS $900,000, $2,000? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
YEAH, I SCREWED THAT UP. FREEMAN. YES. RADFORD A BURTENSHAW. YES. DINGMAN. YES.
FRANCIS I. LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. NOW, TONIGHT WE DO HAVE THE AIRPORT. NEXT ITEM
[5.C.1) Work Order 25-03 for Design of Terminal Apron and Cargo Apron Rehabilitation]
D ONE, THE WORK ORDER. 2503 THE DESIGN OF TERMINAL APRON AND CARGO APRON. REHABILITATION[00:15:05]
COMMUNITY COUNCIL WORK ORDER 20 503 DOES APPROVE THE DESIGN OF THE TERMINAL APRON AND CARGO REHABILITATION. IT ALSO INCLUDES CONSIDERATION OF RELOCATING AIRCRAFT DEICING PAD AS WELL AS IMPROVING STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE AIRPORT. THIS PROJECT WILL INITIALLY BE PAID FOR LOCALLY, WITH REPAYMENT EXPECTED THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 26. AIRPORT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION. THE CONSTRUCTION OF PORTION OF THAT DESIGN IS CURRENTLY PROGRAMED FOR A DISCRETIONARY FUNDING GRANT WITH THE FAA, SO GETTING THIS DESIGN DONE EARLY WILL POSITION US WELL TO GET THAT GRANT. THE DESIGN FEE IS $501,989. WE DID CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT FEE ESTIMATE WHICH SHOWED THE FEE AS BEING REASONABLE. IF A HEARD THAT FEE WITH THE LETTER THAT'S IN THE PACKET. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR QUESTION? MAYBE YOU SAID IT, I MISSED IT. WHEN DID WHEN WILL THE DESIGN WORK BE FINISHED? I MEAN HOW LONG DO WE GIVE THEM ON THOSE OR IS THAT QUESTION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. NO IT DOES. THE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS A LITTLE BIT OF IT DEPENDS. BUT RIGHT NOW THE TIMELINE WE HAVE TO HAVE BIDS IN MAY TO GET CONSTRUCTION. GOING AS WELL AS GET THE GRANTS. OKAY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. IS YOUR MIC ON? YES PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND THE DOCUMENT IT TALKS ABOUT SCOPE OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. AND IT GOES THROUGH AND IT SAYS 50% DESIGN 75%, 95% ARE THOSE BASICALLY BENCHMARKS PROGRESSION THROUGH THE TOTAL PROCESS. SO THOSE ARE THE PERIODS THAT WE WILL MEET. THE FAA GO THROUGH THE DESIGN AS THE OWNER, FAA AND CONSULTANT. BEFORE YOU. SO WHEN YOU GET TO THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, 50%, YOU SUBMIT THAT TO FAA AND THEN THEY APPROVE IT AND THEN YOU TAKE THE NEXT STEP. IS THAT KIND OF IT? YES. APPROVAL. NO COMMENT. YES. COMMENT. YES.OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR THE THE WORK ORDER FOR ADORA. I CAN DO THAT. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE OUR ORDERS. I CAN'T SPEAK WORK ORDER 20 503 TO DESIGN THE REHABILITATION OF TERMINAL APRON AND CARGO APRON FOR $501,989. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CITY CLERK. WILL YOU TAKE THE VOTE? LARSON.
YES, FRANCIS I BURTENSHAW. YES. DINGMAN. YES. FREEMAN. YES. BRADFORD. MOTION CARRIES. AND A
[5.C.2) Amended and Restated Fixed Base Operator Agreement with Rainbow Investments, LLC]
SECOND ITEM FROM AIRPORT. SECOND ITEM FROM THE AIRPORT TONIGHT IS AN AMENDED AND RESTATED LEASE WITH RAINBOW INVESTMENTS. EARLIER THIS YEAR, RAINBOW APPROACHED US AND ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION ON TWO OF THEIR EXISTING LEASES THAT THEY USE TO OPERATE THEIR FIXED BASE OPERATION, ARAMARK. THOSE AGREEMENTS WERE ENTERED INTO IN 2006 AND 2007. THROUGH THIS ITEM, THEY WILL BE COMBINED INTO A SINGLE AGREEMENT AND THEN EXTENDED BY 15 YEARS. IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS EXTENSION, RAINBOW WILL CONTRIBUTE $426,387 TOWARDS REHABBING THE OLD PORTION OF THE APRON TO BE UTILIZED, AND THEY WILL ALSO SEALCOAT THE NEWER PORTION OF THE ORIGINAL. AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER SMALLER IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE RELATED TO THEIR PARKING LOTS. DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS LEASE, IT WAS SENT TO THE FAA FOR A REVIEW OF OUR FEDERAL GRANT ASSURANCES, AND FAA HAS CONCLUDED THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO ALL OF THE GRANT ASSURANCES.AND IF THE COUNCIL WOULD YIELD SOME OF MY REPORT TIME TO BOB HOFF, THE OWNER OF RAINBOW AND RAINBOW INVESTMENTS, HE HAS A FEW WORDS YOU'D LIKE TO SAY REGARDING THIS LEASE. SO AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT IF SOMETHING CHANGES IN THIS IS YEARS LONG AGREEMENT, THAT IF THAT IF SOMETHING CHANGES AT THE AIRPORT, THAT THE FBO OPERATOR, BOB HOFF, IS ALLOWED TO ADDRESS COUNCIL. SO WE WELCOME HIM TO THE PODIUM.
THANK YOU. OH. COUNCIL CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I AM ROB. ROB, I OWN RAINBOW INVESTMENT. MR. HOFF, CAN YOU SPEAK? THANK YOU. RAINBOW INVESTMENTS AND PRESIDENT OF ARAMARK FAMILY. LOCAL FAMILY BUSINESS. IT'S FBO BUSINESS. IT'S. A LITTLE BIT ON
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THE RARE SIDE NOW TO HAVE A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS. IT'S WRONG ON AN AIRPORT THIS SIZE.AND WE'VE BEEN PROUD OF OUR RECORD. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE TO THE CAMPAIGN WINNERS.
APPRECIATE THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH A GREAT ADMINISTRATION IN THE FUTURE.
ARAMARK IS WINDING UP ITS 41ST YEAR OF PROVIDING FIELD SERVICE OUT OF FALLS AIRPORT. THIS RECORD IS ACCIDENT FREE, COMPETITIVE AND ALWAYS MORE THAN MET. THE DEMAND OF OUR GROWING AIRPORT ONLY THROUGH CONTINUOUS REINVESTMENT IMPROVEMENT FACILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE AND PERSONNEL. WE HAVE MAINTAINED A SERVICE THAT WE ARE PROUD OF FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THIS AGREEMENT WILL GIVE ARAMARK THE CONFIDENCE TO COMPETE, CONTINUE REINVESTMENT AND MAINTAIN THE COMMITMENT THAT WE HAVE MADE TO THE CITY AND OUR GREAT COMMUNITY. AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. HOFF. OKAY, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO SAY TO MR. HOFF, YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT PARTNER TO THE CITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S A GREAT PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. AND AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE JOB THAT YOU DO AT THE AIRPORT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. I'LL TAKE IT. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE AMENDED AND RESTATED FIXED BASE OPERATOR AGREEMENT WITH RAINBOW INVESTMENTS LLC. SECOND. CALL FROM THE CITY CLERK. DINGMAN.
YES. BRADFORD I. LARSON. YES. BURTENSHAW. YES. FRANCIS I. FREEMAN. YES. MOTION CARRIES.
[5.D.1) Public Hearing - Review of Alcohol License Application for 3Z Holdings Inc dba Xhale Resort & Spa]
NOW WE HAVE AN ITEM COMING TO US FROM THE OFFICE OF CITY CLERK. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GOING TO STAY SEATED, BECAUSE THIS MIC WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO STAND UP AND TALK INTO IT AT THE SAME TIME. YES. SO THIS ITEM IS COMING TO COUNCIL BECAUSE PER IDAHO FALLS CITY CODE, THE ONLY BODY THAT CAN DENY AN ALCOHOL LICENSE IS THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WHEN WE RECEIVE AND THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, AN APPLICATION FOR AN ANNUAL ALCOHOL LICENSE, THIS IS NOT A CATERING PERMIT. THIS IS AN ALCOHOL LICENSE. MY OFFICE SENDS IT THROUGH THE COURSE OF APPROVAL. SO IT GOES TO POLICE, IT GOES TO FIRE, IT GOES TO CDS. SO PLANNING AND ZONING, EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS DOES A REVIEW. IF ANY OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS COMES BACK AND SAYS THAT THE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED DOES NOT MEET THE TERMS OF OUR CITY CODE PER THEIR DEPARTMENT GUIDELINES, THEN WE HAVE TO THEN BRING THAT ITEM TO CITY COUNCIL, PRESENT THE INFORMATION AND LET IT BE DECIDED BY CITY COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE OR DENY THE ALCOHOL LICENSE, BECAUSE OUR OFFICES CANNOT DO THAT IN THIS SITUATION. THE LICENSE WAS APPLICATION WAS MADE BY THREE Z HOLDINGS, WHICH IS DOING BUSINESS AS EXHALE RESORT AND SPA. THEY ONCE THE APPLICATION MADE IT TO OUR CDS DEPARTMENT, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE LOCATION OF THE BUSINESS IS IN A ZONE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENTS OR DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS. THEREFORE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE HAS REVIEWED THE PACKET, BUT THERE IS A LETTER INCLUDED IN THE PACKET THAT TALKS ABOUT THE REASONS FOR THE DENIAL. BUT IN A NUTSHELL, IT'S BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN A ZONE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW A DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT. SO I PRESENT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL AS A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE DECIDED ON.AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I BEFORE I, I SHOULD HAVE OPENED THAT HEARING AND THEN ASKED FOR.
SO WE WILL DECLARE THE HEARING TO BE OPEN AND THE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE CITY CLERK IS NOW PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING RECORD. SO IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TO THE REVIEW OF THE ALCOHOL LICENSE APPLICATION AT 32 BUILDINGS DOING BUSINESS AS EXHALE RESORT AND SPA. OKAY, THEN, COUNCIL, CAN I MAKE ONE NOTE BEFORE WE CLOSE THE HEARING? AND THAT IS IF THE APPLICATION IS DENIED, THE CITY WILL REFUND THE APPLICATION FEE TO THE APPLICANT. IT IS A PRETTY HEFTY FEE AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR IN THE RECORD THAT IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE LIMITED COMMERCIAL ZONE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE RECORD, AND WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I HAVE A MOMENT. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BRADFORD WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, JUST THAT WE MET WITH THE DIRECTOR OF CDS AND TALKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK
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BUSINESSES SHOULD HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION. AND THAT DID HAPPEN.AND THE BUSINESS OWNER NOT BEING HERE TONIGHT IS PROBABLY RECOGNITION THAT HE'S FINE WITH THIS OUTCOME. AND BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS SOMETIMES. BUT IN IN NAVIGATING THAT IS THE RIGHT THING. AND COMING TO CDS WORKED WELL IN THIS CASE. AND AFTER I MAKE THE MOTION AND THE VOTE, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE, WE AS A COUNCIL ARE OBLIGATED TO STATE OPTIONS ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCE. AND SO I'LL DO THAT IF THAT'S OKAY. AFTER SO AFTER WE CLOSE THE HEARING AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE MOTION. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME STATEMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS HAS PREPARED. SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING AND CALL FOR A MOTION. I MOVE COUNCIL DENY THE ALCOHOL LICENSE APPLICATION 7829078 PRESENTED BY BREEZY HOLDINGS, INC. DOING BUSINESS AS EXHALE RESORT AND SPA. AS PER CITY CODE 434A THROUGH E AND CITY CODE FOUR THREE. I'M SORRY FOUR. DASH FOUR. DASH FOR A THROUGH E. I THINK THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY. SECOND OKAY, A VOTE, PLEASE. FROM THE CITY CLERK. DINGMAN. YES. FREEMAN.
YES. FRANCIS I BRADFORD. I BURTENSHAW. YES. LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. YES. YES. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL. SO WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION AS A COUNCIL TO SUGGEST BECAUSE THERE IS A LARGE CROWD HERE. WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS COUNCIL TO OFFER OPTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND CHECKING WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT IT WITH THE CDS. BUT THE APPLICANT COULD APPLY FOR A REZONE OF THE AREA, AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO GUARANTEE THAT WOULD GO FORWARD. BUT HE COULD APPLY. AND THE SECOND THE APPLICANT COULD OPEN A RESTAURANT KIND OF FACILITY AND SERVE ALCOHOL AS A SECONDARY ELEMENT, CHANGING HIS BUSINESS PLAN. SO THERE ARE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE ARE GOING
[5.E.1) Legislative Public Hearing for the Annexation and Initial Zoning of LC, Limited Commercial with the Controlled Development Airport Overlay Zone - Annexation and Initial Zoning Ordinances and Reasoned Statements of Relevant Criteria and Standards for approximately 18.554 acres in the N ½ of Section 25, Township 2 North, Range 37 East.]
TO MOVE ON NOW TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. WE HAVE ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ANNEXATION AND INITIAL ZONING OF LC LIMITED COMMERCIAL WITH CONTROLLED DEVELOPMENT AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE. AND WE'D ASK DIRECTOR CENTER TO COME TO THE PODIUM TO LEAD US THROUGH THIS ONE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I AM GOING TO DECLARE THE HEARING OPEN. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. BEFORE I START, I JUST WANT WE HAVE TWO ANNEXATIONS FROM CVS THIS EVENING. I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE IN REGISTER. TYPICALLY THESE APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH IN TWO PIECES. WE ACTUALLY WITH THINGS FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO CONDENSE THEM. SO USUALLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AS ONE ITEM AND THE REQUEST FOR ZONING AS THE SECOND ITEM. BE AWARE THOSE ARE CONDENSED. SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. AND THEN. YES. SO THE FIRST ANNEXATION THIS EVENING IS WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IN RED RIGHT ALONG THE SNAKE RIVER RIGHT HERE. IT'S A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S AT ABOUT SNAKE RIVER PARKWAY AND EVENT CENTER DRIVE. THE REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION IS AN OWNER INITIATED ANNEXATION AND DOES INCLUDE THE MILLIGAN ROAD RIGHT OF WAY. THIS ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WILL BE FROM MILLIGAN ROAD. AND IF YOU. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED. IF YOU REMEMBER BACK ON 1125 OF NOVEMBER 25TH, A NEW URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN THIS AREA. SO THIS PROPERTY WILL BE PART OF THAT URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT. THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED LC. THE REQUESTED ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IS LC, WHICH MATCHES WHAT IS THE SURROUNDING ZONING IN THE AREA. FURTHER, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMAGINATIVE TRANSECT SHOWS THIS AREA AS A MIXED USE CENTER AND CORRIDOR WHICH THE LC ZONE. THIS IS JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S VIEW. AND IMAGINE IF MIXED USE CENTERS AND CORRIDORS ARE DESCRIBED IN THIS PARAGRAPH HERE, THE LC ZONE DOES MEET THE REQUEST THAT'S BEING REQUESTED. DOES MEET THE INTENT OF THE[00:30:02]
MIXED USE CENTER CORRIDOR. AS WITH OTHER ZONING REQUESTS, BE COGNIZANT THAT THERE IS AN AIRPORT OVERLAY ON THIS, AND THE AIRPORT OVERLAY FOR THIS PROPERTY IS CONTROLLED DEVELOPMENT. THIS ITEM WENT TO CITY COUNCIL BACK ON NOVEMBER 5TH OF 2025, NOT TO CITY OR TO PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES, YES THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME HONEST I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. THAT WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THERE WAS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT VOTE WAS UNANIMOUS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. THOSE COMMENTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET. THERE WAS NO PUBLIC THAT COMMENTED ON THIS APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. AND THIS IS IN THE AREA OF IMPACT AS WELL. I SHOULD DO THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S WAIVED CITY. OKAY. I'D JUST LIKE WOULD YOU POINT OUT THAT ISLAND THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS? YES, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER LARSON, THIS PIECE JUST BE AWARE IS NOT PART OF THE ANNEXATION. IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED WITH PROPERTY OWNER. IT IS A SEPARATE ONE FROM THE OVERALL PROPERTY OF THIS ANNEXATION. AND THEY REQUESTED NOT TO BE ANNEXED AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? IF YOU'LL JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE. WE START TO GET TO KNOW YOU, BUDDY. YES. SOUNDS GOOD. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LANCE SHEETS. I'M A TORAK'S. ADDRESS IS 2194 SABER PARKWAY, SUITE 205. I'M JUST GONNA KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET. WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB DESCRIBING THE LOCATION. JUST TO ADD TO HIS. THERE IS THAT SMALL ISLANDS ABOUT 0.7 ACRES. LIKE WHITE STATED, IT IS A SEPARATE OWNERSHIP. I THINK THEY WERE REACHED OUT TO THEM, BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO GET IN OUR TIME TO BE PART OF THE ORGANIZATION. OF NOTE THOUGH, THERE'S A PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT LANDS IN PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS DESIGNATED TO BE ANNEXED FOR GROWTH. AND SO THAT CAME IN AS ANNEXATION, A PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT THROUGH THAT PROPERTY. SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. SO FUTURE AND MILLIGAN ROAD IS WILL BE ANNEXED AS PART OF THIS SITE. AND THAT'S WHERE IT BEGINS. THE RIVER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY.RIVER IS THEIR PROPERTY BUT IS PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT AWAY. RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN ANNEXED AT THE TIME LC ZONE DEFINITELY A GREAT, GREAT CANDIDATE. BEING AN ENCLAVE, COUNTY ENCLAVE AND SURROUNDED BY THE CITY. SO WE'RE REALLY ANXIOUS TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS READY. AND SO JUST SETS THE STAGE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WHENEVER THAT OCCURS. SO ANY QUESTIONS FROM MYSELF? CAN YOU SPEAK TO MILLIGAN ROAD? AND YOU SAID, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY FUTURE MILLIGAN ROAD. DO YOU WANT TO? MILLIGAN ROAD IS A RIGHT OF WAY THERE. IT'S UNDEVELOPED. AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS THE ALIGNMENT OF MILLIGAN ROAD COULD BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AS PLOTS COME IN THROUGH THERE. RIGHT NOW IT IS A DIRT ROAD, HAS A PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY, AS RIGHT NOW IS NOT ACTUALLY DEDICATED RIGHT AWAY. AT THE MOMENT. THE PLANNING AS IT COMES IN WITH THOSE PLOTS, THAT RIGHT OF WAY WILL BE DEDICATED.
OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR MR. SHEETS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ANNEXATION AND INITIAL ZONING OF LLC? OKAY. COUNCIL. OH, YES. COUNCIL MEMBER RUTHERFORD. ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? UNLESS WE WANT TO CLOSE. YEAH, WE NEED TO CLOSE. OKAY. YES. OKAY. OKAY, THEN I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING. AND ORDER THAT ALL OF THE MATERIALS BE PUT IN. AND THEN WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD TO LEAD US OUT IN DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. I THINK EVERYONE'S AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY WE'VE HAD HERE WITH SNAKE RIVER LANDING AND THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING WITH IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT. AND WE'VE IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS AND IT WAS A HISTORIC NIGHT TO SEE WHAT IS PLANNED IN THIS AREA. PROBABLY THE LARGEST SINGLE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. DISTRICT THAT WILL EVER SEE. AND IT'S APPROACHING $1 BILLION IN VALUE OVER A DECADE OR 20 YEARS. I CAN'T RECALL THAT. SO FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ALONG THE RIVER AND AND WHAT WE'RE PROTECTING ALONG THE RIVER AND WHAT WE CARE ABOUT.
AND SO I'M EXCITED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND EXCITED FOR GREAT PARTNERS THAT DEVELOP
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ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND DO A GREAT JOB AND UNDERSTAND WHY THE BENEFIT OF COMING INTO THE CITY AND WHY THEY WHY THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR THEM AND FOR US. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS BEFORE I. NO, JUST THAT THIS IS ONCE AGAIN PART OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. AND THE OTHER ONE IS CLOSING IN TWO YEARS. SO IT'S THERE'S WHAT HAS BEEN KNOWN AS SNAKE RIVER LANDING IS IN A REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT RIGHT NOW. AND WITHIN TWO YEARS, THAT ONE WILL CLOSE. AND NOW WE ARE OPENING THIS ONE. SO THEY JUST OVERLAP A LITTLE BIT. AND WE'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATES IN SNAKE RIVER LANDING FOR TAKING US, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER AS MONROE AND TURNING IT INTO SUCH A BEAUTIFUL AREA DOWNTOWN.COULD WE HAVE DIRECTOR CENTER JUST JUMP UP AND TELL US ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT AND TAX INCREMENT FINANCING? SINCE WE HAVE SUCH AN INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE WITH US MANY NIGHTS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE LISTENING. AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING SUCCESS STORY.
AND THE AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITIES THIS BRINGS TO THE CITY WHEN TWO YEARS CLOSES AND WE SEE WHAT TAX INCREASE COMES AFTER WE'VE PAID FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD. SO ONE OF MY OTHER HATS THAT I WEAR BESIDES THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS THE THE DIRECTOR OF URBAN, THE IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND WHAT AN URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT IS 20 YEARS. JUST SO YOU KNOW. SO IT'S A IT'S FROM STATE STATUTE. IT'S ONE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT TOOLS THAT WE HAVE IN THE STATE OF IDAHO. AND WHAT'S UTILIZED IS WHAT'S CALLED TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AND TAX INCREMENT FINANCING.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU TAKE THE BASE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AS IT CURRENTLY SITS, AND THEN YOU ASSESS WHAT THAT WILL BE WHEN THE PROPERTY DEVELOPS. THAT GAP BETWEEN WHAT'S FUTURE ASSESSMENT AND WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS ASSESSED AT IS CALLED AN INCREMENT. AND WE CAN USE THAT MONEY PER STATE STATUTE TO BASICALLY BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO MILLIGAN ROAD IN THIS CASE WOULD BE A PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT WE COULD USE THAT MONEY THEN TO BUILD MILLIGAN ROAD. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME TALK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IT IS GOOD TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT YOU HAVE TO CREATE A DISTRICT, AND THAT GOES THROUGH OUR IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE CITY, BUT IT'S JUST A TREMENDOUS TOOL TO HELP REDEVELOP. IF YOU LOOK THE HOTELS ACROSS THE RIVER, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR FIRST URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICTS. AND SO THAT AREA WOULDN'T HAVE DEVELOPED WITHOUT THE USE OF TAX INCREMENT FINANCING. SO WE'VE USED IT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE PRIMARILY FOCUS IT TOWARDS THE RIVER, OUR OUR OUR CHAIR, LEE RADFORD. AND I THINK THERE'S A RELATION THERE. BUT LEE RADFORD IS IS OUR CHAIR. AND HE WE FOCUS A LOT TOWARDS THE RIVER JUST TO KEEP THAT DENSITY AND THAT GROWTH TOWARDS DOWNTOWN.
SO WE'RE NOT SPRAWLING OUT INTO OUR POTATO FIELDS, BUT IT'S JUST A GREAT TOOL THAT WE TIME.
YEAH. OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD AND THEN THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR IT UPFRONT. YES, YES. THE KEY IS THAT THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR IT UPFRONT AND THEN IS REIMBURSED OVER TIME IN THIS CASE OVER 20 YEARS. SO AGAIN, APPRECIATIVE OF THE THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY, THE WILLINGNESS TO DO THIS. SOMETIMES IT IS SUCH A LONG TIME FOR THEM TO RECOUP THEIR MONEY. THEY DO PUT IT UP FRONT AND BUILD ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST AND THEN OVER TIME SO THAT IT IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER. YEAH, AND I HAVE VIVID MEMORIES OF BEING IN THIS AREA AND LIKE TRYING TO CLEAN UP AUTO LOTS AND, YOU KNOW, OLD CARS AND BATTERIES LIKE THE RIVER WASN'T WHAT IT IS NOW. IT WAS A JUNKYARD IN MANY RESPECTS. AND THEN THE FIRST TAX INCREMENT DISTRICT THAT I REMEMBER IS THE SHILOH INN. AND I REMEMBER COMING ON COUNCIL TEN YEARS AGO AND EVERYONE BEING SO EXCITED FOR THAT DISTRICT TO JUMP IN BECAUSE WE'D GO IN FROM VALUATION FOR THE TAX INCREASE, FROM THAT VALUATION OF THAT PROPERTY, FROM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND, MAYBE DOLLARS OF REVENUE FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS PER YEAR, AND IT WAS GOING TO BE $2 MILLION IN REVENUE BECAUSE OF THE NEW BUILDINGS AND THE BEAUTIFICATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH THAT WAS THAT WAS USEFUL THERE, BUT ALSO IN A WAY THAT CAN KEEP IT NICE FOR A LOT OF TIME AND HAVE THE INVESTMENT. AND SO THAT GROWTH PAID FOR ITSELF. AND IN THIS AREA, JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT, WHEN THEY TOOK OUT THE THE RUNWAY FOR THE AIRPORT, THEY DUMPED IT ALL RIGHT HERE. AND THERE'S ALSO QUITE A BIT OF LAVA ROCK IN THAT AREA, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED WITHOUT USING INCREMENT FINANCING. IT WOULD JUST BE IT WOULD BE IN THE RED.
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SO IT WOULD BE COST BENEFIT. SO YEAH, SO IT'S A TREMENDOUS TOOL AND HELPS US TO GET SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO. AND JUST ONE THING THAT'S NOT ON THIS PICTURE IS JUST HOW CLOSE HERITAGE, HOW CLOSE THIS CONNECTS US TO CONTINUE OUR RIVERWALK AND OUR PARK SYSTEMS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER LARSON. I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE MOTIONS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. SINCE IT'S CONSOLIDATED, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN LIKE WHAT THAT ACTUALLY OPENS UP, WHAT OPTIONS THERE ARE? I KNOW IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY LC, SO IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. BUT SO THE LC ZONE, HOW WE LOOK AT IN THE AMERICAN MODEL AND THE EUCLIDEAN ZONING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SEPARATE USES TO PREVENT LAND USE CONFLICT. SO THE LC ZONE IS OUR TRANSITION ZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. AND LC IS WHAT I WOULD CALL YOUR MOST TRANSITION ZONE THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CITY. IT ALLOWS FOR A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES.ONE A COUPLE EXAMPLES WOULD BE. LIKE DOCTOR'S OFFICES, TYPICAL RETAIL, BUT IT ALSO DOES ALLOW FOR SOME RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. AND SO YOU WANT TO MATCH AS YOU AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR URBAN PATTERNS, YOU WANT TO MATCH WHAT'S PRETTY MUCH AROUND YOU. SO LC IS HERE. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A LONG WINDED ANSWER TO A SHORT QUESTION, BUT THE LC IS WHAT'S HERE. AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP IT LC. ALSO, THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING TO DO A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, SO IT MATCHES THEIR INTENT AS WELL. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER LARSON, I'D JUST LIKE TO PUT A POSTSCRIPT ON THE EXPLANATION OF HOW DISTRICTS WORK. WHEN YOU SIGN UP AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER, IT'S FOR A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND THEY HAVE THEY GET PAID WHEN THE VALUE GOES UP AND THE TAXES ON THAT, THEY'RE MOTIVATED TO GET THAT DONE SOONER THAN LATER. BECAUSE THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT THE PAYMENTS STOP. ONE, YOU GET REIMBURSED FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY SPENT OR TWO, THE 20 YEARS EXPIRES. SO IF THEY HAVEN'T BUILT IT QUICK ENOUGH TO GET THE MONEY BACK BEFORE THE 20 YEAR CLOCK EXPIRES, THEN IT JUST GOES AWAY. SO IT'S KIND OF A NEAT CONCEPT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THE SPEAKER, I THINK COUNCILMEMBER FRANCIS HAS ONE MORE QUESTION OR COMMENT. I HAVE A COMMENT.
OKAY. HE'S OKAY. YES. MAKE IT IN THE HEARING AND THEN WE CAN CLOSE THE HEARING. AND I JUST HAD A COMMENT TODAY FROM LIKE FROM A CITIZEN SAYING, AREN'T YOU TAKING TAX DOLLARS OUT OF THE COFFERS? AND ACTUALLY, I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S TRUE. WE'RE THIS THE PROPERTY OWNER IS STILL PAYING TAXES, BUT THAT TAX INCREMENT FUND FOCUSES WHERE THAT MONEY IS USED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. AS THAT DEVELOPED DEVELOPS, THAT AM I ON TRACK? WHEN I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO HER TODAY. YEAH. IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT A TAX BREAK.
RIGHT, RIGHT. THEY'RE STILL PAYING THE TAX. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S JUST THAT PORTION IS FOCUSED ON WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED HERE. AND WITH THE BUILDING THE ROAD OUT, ETC. YES.
OKAY. AND I THINK HE MENTIONED THAT AS ONE OF THE FEW. IT IS ONE OF THE ONLY FEW THINGS THAT THE STATE OFFERS A CITY TO HELP BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'RE CLOSING THE HEARING THEN. AND WE'RE WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 18.554 ACRES IN THE NORTH HALF OF SECTION 25, TOWNSHIP TWO NORTH, RANGE 37 EAST, AND ASSIGN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE CENTERS AND CORRIDORS UNDER A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES REQUIRING THREE COMPLETE, COMPLETE AND SEPARATE READINGS, AND REQUEST THAT IT BE READ BY TITLE AND PUBLISHED BY SUMMARY. SECOND, SECOND CITY CLERK BURTENSHAW. YES. DINGMAN.
YES. FRANCIS A. FREEMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. RADFORD. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, NOW WE NEED TO READ IT BY TITLE. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS, IDAHO, A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION OF THE STATE OF IDAHO, PROVIDING FOR THE ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 18.554 ACRES DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A OF THIS ORDINANCE, AMENDING THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE CITY WITH THE APPROPRIATE COUNTY AND STATE AUTHORITIES, AND PROVIDING SEVERABILITY, PUBLICATION BY SUMMARY AND ESTABLISHING EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON TO THE NEXT MOTION. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE REASONED STATEMENT OF RELEVANT CRITERIA AND STANDARDS FOR THE ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 18.554 ACRES, AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED, AND GIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
SECOND, CITY CLERK FREEMAN. YES. BRADFORD A. LARSON. YES. DINGMAN. YES. BURTENSHAW. YES.
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FRANCIS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. NOW WE ARE GOING TO ESTABLISH THE INITIAL ZONING. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE INITIAL ZONING FOR ELSIE LIMITED COMMERCIAL WITH THE CONTROLLED DEVELOPMENT AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE, AS SHOWN IN THE ORDINANCE EXHIBITS UNDER A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES REQUIRING THREE COMPLETE AND SEPARATE READINGS AND REQUESTS THAT IT BE READ BY TITLE AND PUBLISHED BY SUMMARY, THAT THE CITY LIMITS DOCUMENTS BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE AREA ANNEXED HEREWITH, THAT THE CITY PLANNER BE INSTRUCTED TO REFLECT SAID ANNEXATION AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND INITIAL ZONING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING MAPS LOCATED IN THE PLANNING OFFICE. SECOND. CITY CLERK BURTENSHAW. YES. DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS I. FREEMAN. YES. LARSON.YES. BRADFORD. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE NEED TO READ IT BY TITLE. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS, IDAHO, A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION OF THE STATE OF IDAHO, PROVIDING FOR THE INITIAL ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 18.554 ACRES DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A OF THIS ORDINANCE AS ELSIE LIMITED COMMERCIAL WITH THE CONTROLLED DEVELOPMENT AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE AND PROVIDING SEVERABILITY PUBLICATION BY SUMMARY AND ESTABLISHING EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU. YES, PLEASE. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE REASON STATEMENT OF RELEVANT CRITERIA AND STANDARDS FOR THE INITIAL ZONING OF ELSIE LIMITED COMMERCIAL WITH THE CONTROLLED DEVELOPMENT AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE, AND GIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND CITY CLERK BRADFORD A DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS I. FREEMAN. YES.
LARSON. YES. BURTENSHAW. YES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE PUBLIC
[5.E.2) Legislative Public Hearing for the Annexation and Initial Zoning of R2, Mixed Residential with the Approach Surface Airport Overlay Zone - Annexation and Initial Zoning Ordinances and Reasoned Statements of Relevant Criteria and Standards for approximately 1.5 acres in the SE ¼ of Section 30, Township 3 North, Range 38 East.]
HEARING THAT I AM GOING TO OPEN. THIS IS FOR THE ANNEXATION AND INITIAL ZONING OF R2. AND. WE WOULD ASK DIRECTOR SANDERS TO PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND LEAD US THROUGH THIS ANNEXATION AND INITIAL ZONING. OH. THANK YOU. WE ARE OPENING THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ANNEXATION BEFORE YOU. RIGHT NOW. GREAT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ANNEXATION BEFORE YOU. IS THE PROPERTY LOCATED HERE ON RED ON WEST 64TH, 65TH NORTH, BETWEEN FIFTH WEST AND FIFTH EAST, NORTH EAST AND NORTH WEST. IT'S THIS RED RED HIGHLIGHTED PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. THIS IS AN OWNER INITIATED ANNEXATION. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF SAGE LAKES GOLF COURSE. THE 65TH RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF IT WAS ANNEXED PRIOR INTO THE CITY. AND THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE AREA OF IMPACT AND THE PROPERTY. SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED R-2. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN R-2 ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY, AS WAS NOTED IN IN THE LAST ANNEXATION.JUST BE AWARE THAT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS ANNEXATION. IT'S JUST THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY IN THE RIGHT HASH MARK THERE. AND IMAGINE I HAVE THE TRANSECT, WHICH HELPS GUIDE US AS WE MAKE ZONING DECISIONS. IS IS GENERAL URBAN FOR THE PUBLIC. THE GENERAL URBAN DESCRIPTION TRANSECT IS HERE R2 THE REQUESTED ZONING IS DOES COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ANNEXATION IS THE AIRPORT OVERLAY. THE AIRPORT OVERLAY THAT'S REQUIRED ON THIS PROPERTY IS LIMITED DEVELOPMENT APPROACH. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S JUST A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THE PROPERTY. THIS ITEM WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 5TH. THE COMMENTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET AND FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE FOLLOWING US, THE PACKET IS ONLINE. THOSE PUBLIC. THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS MADE FROM NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID SEND A UNANIMOUS POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. SORRY AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR CENTER BEFORE WE ASK THE APPLICANT, COME FORWARD. OKAY. WE ARE READY. HELLO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'M CHRIS CANFIELD. I RESIDE AT 6935 EAST VALVERDE STREET, IDAHO FALLS, IDAHO 23 401. I'M EXCITED TO ANNEX THIS PROPERTY TO OBTAIN CITY SERVICES AND JUST DO WHAT I NEED TO DO. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A ACKNOWLEDGMENT. CAITLIN LONG AND CARRIE BIEGLER WITH CITY SERVICES. THEY'VE BEEN VERY
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HELPFUL IN EDUCATING SOME FOLKS THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND HELPING OUT US IN IN THE ANNEXATION PROCESS. SO. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY. YES, I THINK WE'VE GOT DO WE HAVE A QUESTION? OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT WE WERE WAITING FOR QUESTIONS. YES. THANK YOU, MR. CANFIELD. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY CONSIDERING THIS ANNEXATION AND INITIAL ZONING, BOTH AT THE SAME TIME? OKAY, OKAY. WITHOUT THAT, THEN AND WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR DISCUSSION WITH COUNSEL, WE ARE CLOSING THAT HEARING AND ALLOWING FOR DELIBERATION FROM THE COUNCIL OR A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL. YEAH, I'LL START SOME DELIBERATION. THERE'S NOT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY HERE, BUT IT'S UNIQUE. THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND IT'S CLOSE TO OUR GOLF COURSE. AND BUT IT'S ALSO UNIQUE FOR ME BECAUSE THIS WAS MY. GRANDPARENTS PROPERTY AT ONE POINT. SO IT'S JUST UNIQUE TO SEE THOSE PROPERTIES KIND OF ADVANCE AND GROW AND PROGRESS. YEAH. IT WAS I REMEMBER BEING ON DIRT ROADS TO GET TO IT. OKAY WITH THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING. YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK IS RIGHT NOW IS 65TH NORTH DOES HAVE A BRIDGE THAT IS BEING REPLACED, DOESN'T IT, THAT FROM THE COUNTY THAT IS RIGHT NOW IT IS CLOSED. THE ROAD IS CLOSED ON 65TH. SO YES, THAT IS GOING TO BE A FIVE LANE BRIDGE. SO 65TH NORTH IS BECOMING A BUSIER AREA IN TOWN. OKAY. SO WITH THAT WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION.OKAY I DID. I'LL SPEAK LOUDER. GO AHEAD. OH YEAH I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 1.5 ACRES IN THE SOUTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 30, TOWNSHIP THREE NORTH, RANGE 38 EAST, AND ASSIGN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION OF GENERAL URBAN UNDER A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES REQUIRING THREE COMPLETE AND SEPARATE READINGS, AND REQUEST THAT IT BE READ BY TITLE AND PUBLISHED BY SUMMARY. SECOND CITY CLERK BURTENSHAW. YES.
DINGMAN. YES. FREEMAN. YES. FRANCIS I. LARSON. YES. RADFORD. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. YES. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE REASON. STATEMENT OF RELEVANT CRITERIA AND STANDARDS FOR THE ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 1.5 ACRES IN THE SOUTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 30, TOWNSHIP THREE NORTH, RANGE 38 EAST, AND GIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
SECOND, WE'LL TAKE A SECOND ON THIS, AND THEN WE WILL READ IT BY TITLE. THE INITIAL THE INITIAL. DINGMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. FRANCIS A. FREEMAN. YES. BURTENSHAW. YES. BRADFORD. A MOTION CARRIES. AND NOW, WILL YOU READ? YES. YES. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS, IDAHO, A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION OF THE STATE OF IDAHO, PROVIDING FOR THE ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 1.5 ACRES DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A OF THIS ORDINANCE, AMENDING THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE CITY WITH THE APPROPRIATE COUNTY AND STATE AUTHORITIES, AND PROVIDING SEVERABILITY, PUBLICATION BY SUMMARY AND ESTABLISHING EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ASHFORD. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE INITIAL ZONING FOR R-2 MIXED RESIDENTIAL WITH THE APPROACH SURFACE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE, AS SHOWN IN THE ORDINANCE EXHIBITS UNDER A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES REQUIRING THREE COMPLETE AND SEPARATE READINGS, AND REQUEST THAT IT BE READ BY TITLE AND PUBLISHED BY SUMMARY. THAT THE CITY LIMITS DOCUMENTS BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE AREA ANNEXED TO WIDTH, AND THAT THE CITY PLANNER BE INSTRUCTED TO REFLECT SAID ANNEXATION.
AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND INITIAL ZONING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING MAPS LOCATED IN THE PLANNING OFFICE, SECOND CITY CLERK BURTENSHAW. YES. DINGMAN. YES.
FRANCIS I. BRADFORD I. LARSON. YES. FREEMAN. YES. MOTION CARRIES. CITY CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE READ THAT BY TITLE? AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS, IDAHO, A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION OF THE STATE OF IDAHO, PROVIDING FOR THE INITIAL ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 1.5 ACRES DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A OF THIS ORDINANCE AS R-2 MIXED RESIDENTIAL AND APPROACH SURFACE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE AND PROVIDING SEVERABILITY, PUBLICATION BY SUMMARY AND ESTABLISHING EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE REASON STATEMENT OF RELEVANT CRITERIA AND STANDARDS FOR THE INITIAL ZONING OF R-2.
MIXED RESIDENTIAL WITH THE APPROACH SURFACE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE, AND GIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND CITY CLERK BURTENSHAW.
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YES. DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS A. FREEMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. RADFORD. AYE. MOTION CARRIES.[5.F.1) Full Rebuild of Idaho Falls Animal Shelter Crematorium ]
OKAY. NOW WE ARE ON TO WHAT IS ITEM F ON OUR CURRENT AGENDA? G IS THE AMENDED AGENDA, AND IT IS COMING TO US FROM MUNICIPAL SERVICES TO TALK ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER CREMATORIUM.THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND CITY COUNCIL. SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PUBLIC RECORD, WE DO HAVE A CREMATORIUM AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER. AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT BECAUSE OF OUR COLD WINTERS AND VERY WARM SUMMERS, IT REALLY DOES CREATE A LOT OF STRESS ON THAT PARTICULAR EQUIPMENT. AND SO THIS ITEM THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU THIS EVENING IS TO DO A FULL REBUILD ON THAT. WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS DO THE MAINTENANCE ON A ROUTINE BASIS, BUT OCCASIONALLY WE GET ISSUES WITH THE BRICKS AND THE AND THE ACTUAL MOLDING OF THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT ITSELF. AND WE ARE REQUESTING THIS EVENING FOR A DECLARATION OF SOLE SOURCE DUE TO THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS CREMATORIUM OPERATIONAL. I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE SCOPE OF WORK PRETTY QUICKLY HERE. SORRY. THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES THE INSPECTION OF THE INTERIOR. THE INTERIOR STRUCTURE FOR DAMAGE WITH ANY REPAIRS NEEDED, BUILD ON A TIME AND MATERIALS BASIS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE A LIST OF MENU OF THINGS, AND THEN IF THEY COME ACROSS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL WORK, THEY WILL BE CHARGING A TIME AND MATERIALS BASIS. THE TOTAL PROJECT QUOTE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE VENDOR BURNS WELL IS $155,900. WOW A LOT. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS? WELL, MAINTAINING IT AND KEEPING IT UP IS PROBABLY ANYWHERE BETWEEN LIKE A TEN, TEN YEAR, 15 YEAR. IT'S JUST YOU'VE GOT TO DO THE MAINTENANCE ON IT. AND WE DO HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION. THE WAY THE ACTUAL CREMATORY CREMATORIUM IS BUILT IS A LITTLE BIT BUILT DIFFERENTLY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES YOU SEE AROUND DIFFERENT STATES.
THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY LIKE AN OUTSIDE, KIND OF LIKE A, LIKE A KILN THAT'S OUTSIDE. AND SO THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. IS THAT A BENEFIT OR A HARDER TO MAINTAIN? WELL, IT IT COULD GO EITHER WAY. I MEAN TO, TO PUT TOGETHER A COST, TO ENCLOSE IT INTO A BUILDING WOULD COST FAR MORE THAN IT WOULD BE TO DO THE FULL REPAIR AND REBUILD AND MAINTENANCE AS NEEDED. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER DINGMAN DIRECTOR ALEXANDER. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S A FULL REBUILD OF THE INTERIOR OF THE MACHINE. SO IT'S GOING TO LOOK, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE SAME. IT'LL BE THE SAME LOCATION. ALL OF THAT WILL BE THE SAME AS THEY AS THEY BUILD IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING THE STACK. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THIS ONE, THE PROJECT SCOPE WILL CONSIST OF THE REBUILD OF THE CREMATORIUM INCLUDED, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL OF ALL INTERIOR FACTORY BRICK AND INSULATION, A FULL REBUILD OF THE INTERNAL MACHINE AND REMOVE AND REPLACE THE HYDRAULIC PUMPS, CYLINDERS AND FLEXIBLE LINES. IT ALSO INCLUDES A QUOTE TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THE PLC AND REPLACE WITH NEW UPGRADE SIEMENS PLC AND TOUCHSCREEN. THAT'S THE ACTUAL THE MECHANISM THAT CONTROLS IT, AND THEN ALSO ON SITE MATERIAL STORAGE CONTAINER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY AS WE'RE TAKING THINGS APART, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DISPOSE OF IT PROPERLY. ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, DOCTOR ALEXANDER. IT LOOKS LIKE THE CREMATORIUM WILL BE DOWN FOR ABOUT 14 DAYS. DO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON THE USE AS FAR AS, ARE WE JUST GONNA NOT UTILIZE THE CREMATORIUM FOR PUBLIC? I DO HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF, CHIEF JOHNSON, HERE. HE CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT IS HIS TEAM THAT OVERSEES THE ANIMAL SHELTER CURRENTLY.
THANK YOU. SORRY, CHIEF. JUST CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF USE IN A 14 DAY PERIOD THE CREMATORIUM HAS. SO, YEAH, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE COMING IN WANTING TO DO CREMATION DURING THAT TIME, BUT IT HAS BEEN BROKEN OFTEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, SO THIS WILL NOT BE UNUSUAL FOR US TO HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME WHICH IS NOT OPERATIONAL. SO DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE HAVE A LARGE FREEZER SPACE. SO WE'RE GOING TO OFFER STORAGE. WE'LL OFFER STORAGE, WE'LL FREEZE IT AND THEN PROVIDE THE SERVICE WHEN IT GOES UP. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU THANK YOU. OKAY COUNCIL HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR ALEXANDER OR THE POLICE CHIEF? OKAY. WE ARE
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READY FOR A MOTION THEN. COMING FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LARSEN, I MOVE, THE COUNCIL DECLARE BURNS WELL INC. FOR A SOLE SOURCE DECLARATION PURSUANT TO IDAHO CODE 672802, SECTION TWO A II.AND ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE QUOTE RECEIVED FROM BURNS. WELL FOR THE FULL REBUILDING OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER CREMATORIUM FOR AN ESTIMATED TOTAL OF $155,900, AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO SIGN THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND CITY CLERK LARSEN. YES. RADFORD A BURTENSHAW. YES. DINGMAN. YES. FREEMAN. YES. FRANCIS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND WE DID KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE A FULL. GALLERY TONIGHT. AND SO WE WE DID TRY TO CONDENSE SOME OF THIS AGENDA. IT DID TURN OUT TO BE A BIG AGENDA. AND SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT WE ARE
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GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT ITEMS WHICH ARE TWO, THREE AND FIVE. THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM PARKS AND RECREATION. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DIRECTOR ALEXANDER SPEAK TO ALL OF THOSE. WE WILL TAKE THE MOTIONS INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP CALLING PEOPLE UP AND DOWN FOR THAT. SO, DIRECTOR ALEXANDER, IF YOU WILL, TAKE ALL THREE OF THOSE AT ONCE.ABSOLUTELY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE IN THE SEASON RIGHT NOW. WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE GEARING UP FOR THE SPRING AND THE SUMMER. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING RIGHT NOW IS, IS REPLACING SOME OF OUR VEHICLES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. WE HAVE TWO REPLACEMENT TRACTORS FOR 221,055, I'M SORRY, $221,551.67. WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT MOWER FOR $182,535.32, AND WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT DUMP TRUCK FOR $208,233. WE'RE USING QUOTES AND THE SOURCEWELL COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACT. AND THE OTHER NOTE I WANTED TO MAKE ABOUT THESE IS THAT THEY ALL ARE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION FOR THEIR OPERATIONS. ONE IS FOR THE SAND CREEK GOLF COURSE, AND THAT'S THE REPLACEMENT MOWERS. THESE ARE ALL REPLACEMENT ITEMS. SO THESE ARE THESE ARE GOING TO BE BOUGHT AND REPLACED WITH OTHER OLD ITEMS THAT HAVE REACHED THEIR USEFUL LIFE. AND SO WE'RE ORDERING THESE NOW AND GETTING THEM GETTING READY TO GO FOR THIS SUMMER. AND SO WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY. GO AHEAD. IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO MURPH IT'S JUST A OH OKAY. YES.
SO WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL A MUNICIPAL EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS THE DEPARTMENTS SAVE MONEY EVERY BUDGET YEAR TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE ITEMS. SO IT'S A CUMULATIVE EFFECT, KIND OF LIKE YOUR DEFERRED COMP ACCOUNTS. YOU ADD INTO IT AND IT GROWS OVER TIME. AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO REPLACE THE EQUIPMENT OR THE VEHICLE, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS THAT YOU NEED TO REPLACE AS USED AS USEFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION. WE WILL TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME THOUGH. SO WE WILL START WITH THE TRACTOR. AND I THINK THAT IS THE KEY. IT IS A TRACTOR MOWER. IT'S NOT JUST A LAWN MOWER BUT IT IS A TRACTOR MOWER. SO GO AHEAD. YES I MOVE THAT COUNCIL ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF ONE TS SIX 130 NEW HOLLAND CAB, FOUR WHEEL DRIVE AND MID MOUNTED SIDE SHAFT MOWER FROM THE SOURCEWELL CORPORATION COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACT NUMBER 032525 DASH. DASH MAGGIE FROM METRO QUIP FOR A TOTAL OF $221,551.67 AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO SIGN THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND CITY CLERK FREEMAN. YES. BRADFORD A BURTENSHAW. YES.
DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS I. LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER THREE I MOVE THAT THIS.
OH, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF TWO TORO REAL MASTER 5410 D MOWERS FROM THE SOURCEWELL COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACT NUMBER ZERO. PARDON ME. NUMBER 24221 FROM TURF EQUIPMENT AND IRRIGATION, INC. FOR A TOTAL OF $182,535.32 AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO SIGN THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND. CITY CLERK LARSON. YES. FRANCIS I. DINGMAN. YES. BURTENSHAW. YES. BRADFORD A. FREEMAN. YES. MOTION CARRIES NO. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS CARRIED ON THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF ONE VIEW ROCK 14 CUBIC YARD DUMP BODY PACKAGE AND FREIGHTLINER CHASSIS FROM THE
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SOURCEWELL COOPERATIVE PURCHASE PURCHASING CONTRACT NUMBER 062222 DASH VCM FROM VIKING SERVICE MIDWEST, INC. FOR A TOTAL OF $208,233 AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO SIGN THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND CITY CLERK. FREEMAN. YES. BRADFORD. BURTENSHAW. YES.DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS I. LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE ARE OPENING
[5.F.6) Public Hearing and Consideration of Proposed Capital Improvement Plan, Development Impact Fee Study Update, and Amendments to City Code, Title 10, Chapter 8, Development Impact Fees ]
OUR PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE CONSIDERATION AND PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE AND THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CODE TITLE TEN, CHAPTER EIGHT, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. AND I AM GOING TO DECLARE THE HEARING OPEN. CAN WE DO THE POLICE BUSINESS? NO, WE WE TOOK THAT OFF OF THE. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE HEARING IS OPEN. WE TURN THE TIME TO DIRECTOR ALEXANDER TO BEGIN LEADING US THROUGH THAT HEARING OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCIL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY WHY I'M UP HERE DOING THIS IS I'M ACTUALLY THE APPOINTED IMPACT FEE ADMINISTRATOR. SO MY ROLE IS TO ADMINISTER THE CHAPTER OF THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE. SO I DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS EVENING. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS I DO ALSO FACILITATE THE IMPACT, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE. WE DO HAVE A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR, BUT I'M THE ONE THAT SCHEDULES THOSE AND MAKES ARRANGEMENTS FOR EVERYTHING TO BE THE BUSINESS, TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THE COMMITTEE. SO THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT FOR THIS EVENING. WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE IMPACT FEE PUBLIC HEARING. AS WE AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, AND I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR IMPACT FEE DEPARTMENTS ARE PRESENT. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR FIRE AND POLICE, TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS HERE. THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ARE HERE TO HEAR THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. AND WE ALSO HAVE ONLINE OUR CONSULTANT, COLIN MCALENY FROM TISCHLER BICE. SO THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING WAS PUBLISHED TWICE IN THE POST REGISTER. IT WAS PUBLISHED FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH AND SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 22ND. SO WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE REQUIREMENTS. THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE STUDY MUST BE UPDATED PER STATE STATUTE AT LEAST. THE KEY IS AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND BELOW YOU AND I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER HERE, BUT IT IS PER THE SECTION OF THE STATE STATUTE, 6780 206 OF IDAHO CODE. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES REQUIREMENTS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, WHICH IS 67 8282. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CURRENT IMPACT FEE STUDY. IT IS DATED NOVEMBER 17TH OF 2021, AND WE IMPLEMENTED THE IMPACT FEES. DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES WERE IMPLEMENTED JUNE 1ST OF 2022 AT THAT TIME, AND AS IT CURRENTLY IS, TRANSPORTATION IS 100% OF THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE. FIRE, EMS, POLICE, PARKS AND RECREATION IS 75 OF THE MAXIMUM FEE. A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT REQUIREMENTS.THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE IS REQUIRED. THE IMPLEMENTATION OF AN IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE. THE EFFECTIVE DATE CAN BE NO EARLIER THAN 30 DAYS FROM THE PASSAGE DATE. AS YOU'LL SEE THERE, THE STATE STATUTE 6782 066 TALKS ABOUT THE PROCEDURE FOR IMPOSITION FOR BASICALLY IMPLEMENTING DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE SECTION IN THERE FROM THE STATE STATUTE THAT TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TIMELINE. AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, NO EARLIER THAN 30 DAYS FROM THE PASSAGE DATE. DID I JUMP? OKAY, OKAY. SORRY, I THOUGHT I JUMPED AHEAD HERE. SO THE I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME TIMELINES AND MILESTONES. WE'VE BEEN ACTUALLY WORKING ON THIS IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE SINCE APRIL 2024. WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GROWTH IN RESIDENTIAL, AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE INTEREST TO DEVELOP AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN TO ADDRESS THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH PATTERNS THAT WE WERE SEEING, AND REALLY REEVALUATE THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS DATED IN 2021. WE TALKED ABOUT OPTIONS FOR IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE IMPLEMENTATION. WE WE LOOKED AT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD JUST REVISIT THE CURRENT STUDY, OR IF WE COULD JUST DO A WHOLE NEW UPDATE TO THE STUDY.
AND THE DECISION WAS MADE WITH A CONSENSUS WAS TO GO AHEAD AND DO AN UPDATED STUDY, BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO UPDATE A STUDY AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE IMPACT
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FEE STUDY WAS DATED IN 2021 AND THE IMPACT FEES WERE CHARGED BEGINNING JUNE 1ST OF 2022. SO JUST THE CONSENSUS WAS, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH AN UPDATE TO THE STUDY AS REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE. WE ALSO DEVELOPED FROM THAT POINT WE DEVELOPED DEPARTMENT CAPITAL PLANS WITH OUR IMPACT FEE DEPARTMENTS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER POLICE, FIRE, TRANSPORTATION, PARKS AND RECREATION, AND A FEE METHODOLOGY FOR THOSE AS WELL. AND THAT WAS DONE BY OUR CONSULTANT, COLIN. WE ALSO LOOKED AT AMENDING THE ORDINANCE FOR THE IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE. WE ALSO INCLUDED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ADDRESSING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAIVERS.WE HAD A COUPLE THAT HAD COME THROUGH SINCE WE IMPLEMENTED IMPACT FEES AS OF JUNE 1ST OF 2022. SO WE LOOKED AT WAYS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. FROM THAT. WE ALSO LOOKED AT ADDRESSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WORKLOAD FOR IMPACT FEE APPLICATIONS, DUE PROCESS ALONG WITH THE TIMELINE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE WORKLOAD TO BE ABLE TO PROCESS APPLICATIONS WHEN WE CHANGE OUR FEES OR WE DO AN UPDATED STUDY. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A CAMPAIGN TOGETHER THAT PROVIDED COMMUNITY OUTREACH NOT ONLY WITH OUR IMPACT. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH WE DO HAVE A VERY ACTIVE COMMITTEE AND VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THEIR VOLUNTEERING AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROCESS, AND ALSO OUTREACH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. AND THEN FINALLY MENTIONING DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE SCHEDULE. AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A TIMELINE FOR LIKE THIS EVENING, A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN DATES FOR ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING NOT ONLY UPDATED STUDY, THE CAPITAL PLANS, AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION DATE OF THE FEES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TIMELINE. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS OVER A YEAR AGO. WE HAD A STUDY UPDATE ANALYSIS FROM TISSUE ICE. THESE ARE THE DATES WE HAD APRIL 14TH OF 2025. WE HAD THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION WHERE COLIN HAD PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 15TH. WE HAD A PRESENTATION TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE DID RECEIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ON FEE BY HOUSING TYPE. THAT'S HOW IT IS CURRENTLY TO A SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED OVER THE CAPITAL PLANS. THERE WAS WORK DONE ON THE ORDINANCE DEFINITIONS AND UPDATES AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND ON MAY 6TH OF 2025, WE HAD AN IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHERE WE WERE AT WITH THE STUDY. WE HAD A COUPLE OF AT LEAST ONE DRAFT THAT WAS VERY LONG, BUT WE WENT OVER IT AS A SUMMARY PIECE TO IT. MAY 8TH, WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO TALK ABOUT CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE DID THAT ON MAY 8TH. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAY AND ONGOING WE HAD OUTREACH TO DEVELOPERS. I KNOW WE HAD OUR CDS DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR CENTER SENT OUT A NEWSLETTER. WE ALSO HAD SOME WE CREATED A PAGE ON THE WEBSITE THAT TALKED ABOUT IMPACT FEES IN IDAHO FALLS, WHERE WE SHARED SOME OF THOSE. WE SHARED THE LINKS OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. ON NOVEMBER 5TH, WE HAD A PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING ABOUT THE THE CAPITAL PLANS AND THE THE THE THE UPDATE TO THE STUDY. NOW, WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THEY WOULD NEED TO TAKE THE CAPITAL PLANS AND AMEND THEM TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE HAD A EXCUSE ME, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WE DID GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK AT THAT MEETING. AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO OVER ANOTHER SLIDE IN A FEW MINUTES. AND THEN THIS EVENING, DECEMBER 11TH, WE'RE HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN ANOTHER MILESTONE DATE TO BE DETERMINED IMPLEMENTATION OF FEE STUDY UPDATE FEES AND THE ORDINANCE.
SO SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT OUR CONSULTANT PRESENTED WAS THE UPDATE ITSELF FOR THE IMPACT FEE OR THESE ARE THE ITEMS I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT THE BASIC GIST OF IT IS THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH TO UPDATE THE STUDY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF ANALYSIS AND METHODOLOGY AND A LOT OF MATH. I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH MATH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MATH TO IT. AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S WHEN YOU GO THROUGH ALL OF THE CALCULATION OF THE FEES AND THE METHODOLOGY, THEN YOU GO THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH WE'RE DOING, AND THEN ALSO THE ADOPTION PROCESS. AND THEN OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO BE AMENDED INTO THE COMP PLAN. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO REVIEW,
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REVIEW THAT, REVIEW THE CIP AND AMEND IT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN FINALLY, AS WE'RE HERE TODAY, TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ORDINANCE AND FORMAL ADOPTION. THERE WE GO. SO CHANGES REALLY QUICKLY FROM THE 2021 CURRENT STUDY THERE IN GREEN. SO THE FEES THE FEE SCHEDULE STRUCTURE. SO ASSESSING RESIDENTIAL FEES BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF UNIT NOT BY HOUSING TYPE. IT USED TO BE WE'D HAVE SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE TOWARDS SQUARE FEET NOT BY HOUSING TYPE. AND THEN THE APPROACH BUILDS ON THE PROPORTIONALITY AND EQUITY OF THE PROGRAM. THAT THAT WOULD BE THE THAT'S THE GOAL OF THIS UPDATE. INFLATION COSTS SERVE CONSTRUCTION INFRASTRUCTURE. IT HAS GONE UP PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE 2021. I KNOW DURING THE COVID YEARS WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS GETTING EQUIPMENT AND WE HAD LIKE 18 MONTHS OR LONGER TO GET THINGS EQUIPMENT THROUGH. SO WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE CREDITS. CREDITS WERE REDUCED TO ACCOUNT FOR EXISTING IMPACT FEE FROM BALANCE AND PARKS AND RECREATION. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REMOVE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND INDOOR RECREATION CENTERS FROM THE FEE COLLECTION, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE UPDATED CIP. OUR DIRECTOR, PJ HOLM, DID A REALLY FANTASTIC JOB AND HE ACTUALLY NOT ONLY PUT TOGETHER A FIVE YEAR PLAN, BUT HE ACTUALLY HAS A 20 YEAR PLAN, WHICH IS REALLY QUITE, QUITE AWESOME. SO THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. OUR TRANSPORTATION, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CHRIS FREDERICKSON, ACTUALLY UPDATED HIS TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AND THAT WAS UPDATED. AND OUR CONSULTANT UPDATED THE VEHICLE TRIP DEMAND AND CIP AND THEN OUR FIRE, EMS AND POLICE. THERE ARE NO FURTHER CHANGES TO PREVIOUS METHODOLOGIES. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2021. IN THIS PROPOSED UPDATING THE IMPACT FEE STUDY, THIS CHART HERE IS IN YOUR PACKET. IT'S ALSO IN THE IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE. IT'S ABOUT 103 PAGES, BUT I WANT TO CALL OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE REAL QUICKLY IF I MAY. THE GREEN IS THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED WITH THIS UPDATE RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THIS COLUMN HERE IS TALKED ABOUT THE CURRENT FEE. SO THIS IS WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY TODAY. AND THEN THE CHANGE. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME SOME NEGATIVES AND SOME REALLY REALLY SOME POSITIVES. BECAUSE BASICALLY IT'S LESS IF YOU LOOK AT 100,000 SORRY 1000FT■S TO 140 NINE SQUARE FEET, IT ACTUALLY GOES DOWN. AND THEN I WANT TO JUST REALLY QUICKLY REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS CURRENT FEE IS BASED ON 100% TRANSPORTATION MAXIMUM FEE AND 75 FOR OUR FIRE PARKS AND POLICE. SO I WANT TO DRAW THAT ATTENTION TO THAT. SO THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS, WHICH FEATURE. SO THE PROCESS AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT TALKS ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE ANALYSIS AND METHODOLOGY. WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE METHODOLOGY OF THE RESIDENTIAL FROM HOUSING TYPE, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT STUDY TO SQUARE FOOTAGE PER UNIT. WE ALSO INCLUDE THE UNFINISHED BASEMENT DEFINITION AND IT EXCLUDES GARAGES. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO AS PART OF THE PROCESS AND PURPOSE IS UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE WITH DEFINITIONS AND UPDATED FEE SCHEDULE. SO WE DID GET QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. BUT MORE RECENTLY, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE'VE HAD REGULAR IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETINGS. AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO SAY THAT I DO HAVE OUR CHAIR HERE, CHAIR RICHARD STEWART.I'M GOING TO ASK HIM TO COME UP HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE COMMITTEE, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS WHILE HE MAKES HIS WAY UP HERE.
SO IN THE COMMITTEE WE TALKED ABOUT THE UNFINISHED BASEMENT DEFINITIONS INCLUDED IN THE PERMIT FEE. AND THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. AND THAT WAS SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL IN A MAY 20TH REPORT AS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THE CONCERNS WERE BASED ON INCLUDING UNFINISHED BASEMENTS, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING. AND I'LL LET THE CHAIR SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO RATTLE OFF A COUPLE MORE THINGS, AND THEN I'M GOING TO LET YOU ADD ANYTHING THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED. THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE POLICE VEHICLES. THE CAPITAL PLAN INCLUDES AT LEAST TWO POLICE VEHICLES USED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PER YEAR, AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE USED FOR A TEN YEAR PERIOD. THERE WAS CONSENSUS FROM THE IMPACT, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE POLICE VEHICLES ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR A TEN YEAR PERIOD, SO THERE WAS SOME THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. THE PARKS AND RECREATION CAPITAL PLAN. THERE WAS THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT THE THE BIGGEST ISSUE WAS THE COST. THERE
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DIDN'T SEEM TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COSTS WERE DERIVED. AND IN SPEAKING WITH THE PARKS, PUBLIC PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, THOSE WERE JUST COST ESTIMATES BASED ON OTHER TYPES OF PROJECTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT WERE DONE IN OUR PARKS. BUT THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. AND THEN FINALLY THE STUDY UPDATE TIMELINE. THERE WERE THERE WAS CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT THEY WANTED MORE TIME FOR THE STUDY TO BE UPDATED, MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, MORE TIME TO REVIEW AND ANALYZE ALL THE ELEMENTS OF THE IMPACT FEE STUDY PLAN. THAT WAS A DRAFT THAT WAS SHARED WITH THEM IN OCTOBER. I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER 7TH. IT WAS ACTUALLY MY FATHER'S BIRTHDAY THAT WAS SHARED WITH THEM. SO WITH THAT, IF I MAY CHAIR COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MAY I INTRODUCE RICHARD STEWART TO ADD ANYTHING I MIGHT HAVE MISSED? THANK YOU, MR. STEWART. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCIL. WE'VE HAD SOME ROBUST DISCUSSIONS IN OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT WE DID COME TO AGREEMENT ON A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, ESPECIALLY IN OUR MAY MEETING. WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO GO FORWARD TO THE STATED TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, JUST FEELING THAT WAS PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE. WAY TO ASSESS THE ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, NEEDS AND IMPACT VERSUS SIMPLE. IT IS SIMPLE THE WAY WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW WITH A SIMPLE FEE STRUCTURE. BUT TO PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO ACCURACY OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT MADE SENSE TO GO TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO WE AGREED TO THAT. THAT BROUGHT UP SOME NUANCES, OF COURSE, WITH HOW TO DEFINE SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE THEN SUBJECT TO THE FEE. SO WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WE DID FEEL WE WERE LEANING TOWARDS NOT INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE UNFINISHED BASEMENTS OR GARAGES THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE FEES. AND SO THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT PERHAPS NOT ENOUGH WERE GOING TO BE COLLECTED TO PERHAPS MAKE OUR TARGETS OR, YOU KNOW, OUR GOALS FOR RAISING FEES. BUT THE THE OTHER CONSENSUS WE CAME TO WAS THAT THE DEBT THAT THE STUDY WAS WAS VALID AND CAPTURED THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT ARE KIND OF COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. SO WE AGREED THAT THAT WAS A VALID STUDY. AND AS MENTIONED.WE ALSO SUPPORTED THE GOING TO THE MAXIMUM SUPPORT FEE FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. FIRE, PARKS AND POLICE. ARE YOU OKAY TO TAKE SOME QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AT THIS POINT THEN? OKAY. COUNCIL. YES PLEASE. I WELCOME AND GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND BECAUSE THAT CAN'T BE THE EASIEST PLACE TO HAVE TO SIT AND CONVERSE ABOUT. BUT TELL ME HOW YOU CAME TO THE CONCLUSION, BECAUSE WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS ALSO IN 2021 AND 2022, TO THE EXPERTISE OF TISCHLER BICE AND WHY YOU ACCEPTED IT AS A STUDY THAT'S LEGITIMATE AND KNOWS HOW IT'S PROGRESSING. WELL, THEY CAME WELL RECOMMENDED FROM OTHER CITIES AND THEIR WORK IN BOISE AND OTHER TOWNSHIPS. THEY. HAVE INCLUDED, IN OUR ESTIMATION, ALL OF THE CAPITAL NEEDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED AS FAR AS ROADS, TRANSPORTATION, POLICE VEHICLES, SERVICES AND THE NEED TO. COLLECT FEES TO KEEP THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE ENJOY AS A COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW GOING FORWARD WITH THE STUDY IS BASED MAINLY ON POPULATION GROWTH. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LIMITATIONS MIGHT BE THAT IT'S A LINEAR PROJECTION. AND LIFE, YOU KNOW, IS NOT LINEAR. BUT AS FAR AS CALCULATIONS GO, IT'S A LINEAR PROJECTION OF APPROXIMATELY 2% POPULATION GROWTH FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. AND SO THEIR ESTIMATED COSTS OF USE OF SERVICES, CALLING THE POLICE, USING EMERGENCY SERVICES IS PROPORTIONATELY ESTIMATED IN THEIR CALCULATIONS. SO WE IT'S BASED ON PRETTY GOOD MATH. SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY FASCINATING.
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THE WHOLE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON AND HOW THEY GET THERE. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REALLY DECONSTRUCT THIS IN SOME WAYS. BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU IS WHY SUPPORT THE MAXIMUM? I FEEL LIKE WE HAD TO COME TO SOME CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THAT, AND FOR US, IT WAS MOSTLY ABOUT IF WE DON'T SUPPORT THE MAXIMUM FEE, THEN WE'RE ASKING TAXPAYERS TO SUBSIDIZE THE GROWTH FROM, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T SUPPORT WHAT IT'S ASKING FOR AND THE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, THEN SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS. SO WAS THAT THE SAME KIND OF CONVERSATION? AND THEN I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE MY MEMORY IS WE GOT BEAT UP QUITE A BIT BY SAYING, OH, WE'RE TRYING TO SUBSIDIZE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING WHEN WE HAD JUST THE TWO FEES WHERE WE HAD SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. AND SO OUR MULTI UNIT AND I FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOME ARGUMENTS THERE THAT MADE SOME SENSE TO ME AND RESONATED BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY $3,000 TO BUILD AN APARTMENT FOR THE FEE OR IN THAT RANGE. AND THEN IT WAS 6000 FOR A HOUSE. AND SO THERE WAS SOME ARGUMENT THAT, OH YEAH, MAYBE WE ARE SUBSIDIZING, YOU KNOW, MORE APARTMENTS. AND YET THAT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION THEN. AND SO THEN WHEN SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS BROUGHT TO OUR GROUP, WE'RE LIKE, OH, MAYBE THIS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER. AND THEN WHEN I HEARD THE CONVERSATIONS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGAIN, IT WAS LIKE, OH, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE BY USING SQUARE FOOTAGE. BY MAKING IT SMALLER, WE MIGHT ENCOURAGE MORE APARTMENTS. IT SEEMS LIKE.DID YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A FASCINATING CONVERSATION ABOUT LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ME SEEMED LIKE WE COULD REDUCE PRICING BECAUSE WE COULD GET SMALLER UNITS THAT COULD MAYBE COST LESS. BUT I WAS SEEING IT AS A WAY TO KIND OF NOT HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FEES. ONE FOR HOUSING THAT WAS FOR JUST, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY. IT WAS WAY MORE THAN THE APARTMENT. SO I'M FASCINATED WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS. ON YOUR FIRST QUESTION, THE I GUESS, MAXIMUM. YEAH. LEVEL. THE. APPEARS THAT WELL, AT LEAST FROM OUR ESTIMATION THAT THE CITY WAS COLLECTING. SUFFICIENT FUNDS. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A DISCREPANCY TO WHAT IS PAID AND WHAT IS OWED OR WHAT'S THE TERM PAM PAID AND UNPAID. AND SO WE FEEL THAT THOSE WILL EQUAL THEMSELVES OUT. BUT AS YOU WELL NOTED, TO ACHIEVE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT, THE PLAN AND THE LEVELS AT WHICH THEY PROJECTED THOSE, IT WAS REQUIRED ALMOST TO GO TO THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE. AND SO. AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE DID HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON THE ARGUMENT, SOMEWHAT ON AFFORDABILITY, BUT ALSO ON ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THOSE RESIDENCES WITHOUT FINISHED BASEMENT THERE WAS HOW CAN I PUT IT? YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T PERHAPS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON UNFINISHED PROPERTY, UNFINISHED RESIDENCES. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THE LACK, PERHAPS, OF REVENUE OR THE LACK OF RECEIVING THAT FEE WOULD AGAIN BE, YOU KNOW, A BALANCE BETWEEN COLLECTING THAT FEE FOR THAT STRUCTURE OR NOT. SO THERE WAS BUT WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION WE LEFT IN MAY. WE WE WERE LEANING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDING NOT INCLUDING THE. UNFINISHED BASEMENTS, BUT THAT'S IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A SPLIT THERE. YEAH, RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER BRADFORD, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC AND SAY, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR HIM? OKAY.
COUNCILMEMBER FRANCIS, DID THE COMMITTEE DISCUSS SOMEONE WHO BUILDS A HOUSE AND LEAVES THE UPSTAIRS UNFINISHED? GOOD QUESTION. NO, WE NEVER DISCUSSED THAT BECAUSE WOULDN'T THAT, ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITION, MATCH THE BASEMENT UNFINISHED? SO TECHNICALLY.
WELL, I'LL GO INTO THAT IN THE DELIBERATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU TALKED ABOUT IT.
OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T HEAR BACK ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE VERSUS LIKE, I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT THE ADVISORY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE INCENTIVIZING PIECE. YEAH. BUT YEAH, WHEN THAT FIRST EMERGED TO US, IT EMERGED FROM TISCHLER BICE. IT WASN'T SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, SAID IT WAS A BEST PRACTICE. WE HEARD AND THEN IT WAS TOLD. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ALSO HEARD THAT THAT WAY THAT IT WAS IT EMERGED OR WAS THERE SOME
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CONVERSATION ABOUT, HEY, THIS HAVING ONE FEE FOR APARTMENTS AND ONE FEE FOR, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THAT IS INHERENTLY IS THAT FAIR OR NOT? AND WAS THERE A CONVERSATION.IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY JUDICIAL VICE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. BUT AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED, I THINK, FROM THEM THAT THAT WAS A, A MORE ACCURATE WAY TO ASSESS THE FEE AND A MOVEMENT THEY'RE SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS THEY DO THIS. YEAH. AND I'M SURE THIS IS PROBABLY MORE OF A QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR ALEXANDER IN A MINUTE. BUT THEN THE ONE PIECE THAT DOES CONCERN ME IS THAT FROM THE TIME THAT YOU MET IN MAY, THERE WASN'T A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND READDRESS THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL HAD MOVED TOWARDS DOING THE. IT WASN'T CALLED. IT'S NOT CALLED AIR CONDITIONED, BUT THE IT IS THE CLIMATE CONTROL. SO THERE WASN'T A CHANCE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO COME BACK AND DECIDE WHETHER TO GO BACK TO MULTI-FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY AND TO ADDRESS THE UNFINISHED BASEMENT. THAT DOES SEEM IT IS A CONCERN OF MINE, AND I NOTICED IT IN THE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS HEARING AS WELL. SO, YEAH. WOULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAD A CHANCE IN MAY. AND THEN SUMMER HAPPENED AND THERE WASN'T A CHANCE TO READDRESS THAT. RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN WE MET IN NOVEMBER, WE WERE INFORMED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD MOVED FORWARD WITH INCLUDING UNFINISHED BASEMENTS AND IN THERE IN THE ASSESSMENT.
SO WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A AT THAT POINT. WE WERE KIND OF STYMIED IN DELIBERATE. SO THERE WAS A CHANCE THAT YOU MIGHT WOULD HAVE WANTED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MULTI-FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY DEFINITIONS, DEFINITIONS AND ALSO THE THE FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME WE WANT TO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ACHIEVING THE GOALS. AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION OVER. YEAH. WHAT ARE THE GOALS. YOU KNOW OF THE THEMES. BUT TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS, TO WHAT FEES ARE REQUIRED TO TO GET US TO THAT ULTIMATE, BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THOSE NEEDS? AND DOES THAT HELP? IT DOES. YEAH. BUT SO THAT SO THERE WOULD BE A DESIRE TO GO BACK AND AND READDRESS THAT FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S POSITION I BELIEVE SO OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS THE QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR ALEXANDER, IF GROWTH DOES NOT MATERIALIZE, THEN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE JUST YOUR THE IDEA IS TO KEEP GROWTH AND LEVEL OF SERVICE ON PAR. SO IT ISN'T GROWTH ISN'T OUTPACING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND LEVEL OF SERVICE IS NOT OUTPACING. SO IF IF THE GROWTH DOESN'T MATERIALIZE, THERE ARE NO FEES COLLECTED. COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO THEN THE THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY WANTED TO PUT MONEY INTO WHATEVER PROJECT THERE IS, BUT IT IS NOT COMING. WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE IMPACT FEE ON THE CURRENT PROJECTS IN ORDER TO MEET THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THAT THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED MAY I MAKE A CLARIFICATION COMMENT TO THE BASEMENT. SO IN IN WORKING WITH THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH A DEFINITION THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, AND THAT WAS PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE A DEFINITION OF UNFINISHED BASEMENT. OUR PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY, MICHAEL KIRKHAM, HAD ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT DEFINITION TO CITY COUNCIL AT A WORK SESSION, AND CITY COUNCIL DELIBERATED OVER THAT. AND THE CONSENSUS THAT WE THAT OUR CITY PRIOR CITY ATTORNEY RECEIVED WAS TO GO WITH THE DEFINITION THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BY THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT IN FACT A DIFFERENT DEFINITION. AND WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING FOLLOWING RIGHT AFTER THAT. WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING, AND WE HAD A COUPLE MONTHS WHERE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET. AND SO WE DID MISS FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THAT DEFINITION WITH THE IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR ALEXANDER. YES. IS THIS THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION OR DO I HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE? OKAY, OKAY. JUST ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THIS THING IS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE. YOU SAID THERE WAS A CONSENSUS, BUT THERE WAS A SPIRITED CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT IN COUNCIL, RIGHT? THAT THERE WAS SOME OF US THAT DISAGREED AROUND THE BASEMENTS
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BECAUSE THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. AND COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO HOW WE GOT THERE AND WHAT YOU FELT LIKE, HOW WE GOT TO CONSENSUS AND WHAT THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST UNFINISHED BASEMENTS WERE? THERE WERE TWO THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS IS, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT THAT OUR PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY SHARED, AND I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO INTO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL I'M QUALIFIED TO DO THAT. BUT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT I RECALL IS TALKING ABOUT AND HAVING QUITE A ROBUST CONVERSATION WAS THE ISSUE OF OF MAKING SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE BUY A HOME AND THEY HAVE AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT, THAT WHEN THEY GO TO FINISH IT, THAT THEY, THEY SECURE THE PERMITS. AND SO THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT NOT HAVING A PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO SECURE THOSE PERMITS FOR AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT. SO I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, BETWEEN THE DEFINITION THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD RECOMMENDED FOR UNFINISHED BASEMENT, BASED ON HIS RESEARCH OF OTHER OTHER CITIES, INCLUDING IDAHO, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS, WAS TO GO WITH THAT DEFINITION THAT ULTIMATELY IS IN OUR DRAFT ORDINANCE TODAY. YEAH. AND WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. STILL. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS LANGUAGE. AND THEN YOU WOULD AGREE, THOUGH, THAT THERE WAS COUNCIL MEMBERS, ME SPECIFICALLY, WHO WAS ARGUING THAT WE WOULDN'T USE UNFINISHED BASEMENTS, BUT THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY ASK FOR THESE DOLLARS WHEN SOMEONE ACTUALLY PULLS A PERMIT AND ACTUALLY BUILDS A NEW BASEMENT. AND THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT THROUGH THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THERE WAS. THERE WAS AT LEAST A CONVERSATION. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY I WOULD BE REMISS BY NOT POINTING OUT THAT THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT, THIS ROBUST CONVERSATION WAS DISCUSSED AT IT WAS SHARED WITH THE IMPACT FEE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT THEY RECEIVED THE AGENDA, THE DATE, AND ALSO INCLUDED IN THE EMAIL THE LINK TO THE LIVE STREAM IF THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IN PERSON, BUT THEY COULD ALSO WATCH IT LATER ON THE VIDEO.BUT I THINK THE THE, THE DISCONNECT THAT WE HAD WAS BETWEEN OUR MAY RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE DIDN'T MEET AGAIN. WE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS, BUT WE WERE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS. AND THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE CRITICAL DATE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD, THAT WE COULD HAVE PROBABLY PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONVERSATION AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL. THANK YOU. AND DO YOU HAVE DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? WE JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE COLIN, ARE WE? HE'S STILL ON.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR ALEXANDER. ALL RIGHT. WELL, SO WE DO HAVE AS WE'VE MENTIONED, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT I JUST WANT TO GO OVER A COUPLE MORE THINGS HERE AS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO YOUR TESTIMONY. SO WE DID HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THAT WAS A THAT WAS A VERY GOOD AND WELL ATTENDED MEETING. WE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING. THAT WAS ON MAY 5TH, I'M SORRY, NOVEMBER 5TH. AND WE HAVE THAT COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO REPLACE THE 2021 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WITH THE UPDATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WITH THE UPDATED STUDY AND ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED, THE COMMISSIONERS, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WERE VERY CLEAR THAT THEY REALLY WANTED THE INFORMATION TO BE SHARED WITH COUNCIL. AND THAT IS WHY IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU HAVE THE DRAFT MEETING MINUTES. BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE PLANNING ON COMING UP AND MAKING TESTIMONY, AND SO I'LL LET THEM DO THAT. BUT WE DID RECEIVE QUITE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
SOME OF THEM I WANT TO MENTION, IF I MAY, AND THAT IS WE TALKED ABOUT IT ALREADY. BUT JUST TO REALLY MAKE SURE I PROVIDE THIS DATA POINT, POLICE VEHICLES, THE CONSENSUS FROM BOTH THE TESTIMONIES AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, AS WELL AS FROM OUR IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WAS THAT THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THE VEHICLES WILL NOT BE IN SERVICE FOR TEN YEARS. AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY EXPRESSED THE COST WITH THE CONCERN OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEY EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT A LOT OF THE PROJECTS BEING ON ONE SIDE OF THE CITY. AND THEN THE ACTUAL NEXUS TO PROPOSED, PROPOSED, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. PARDON ME. SO SEEING ALL OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS ON ONE SIDE OF THE CITY, BUT NOT REALLY HAVING A NEXUS TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY AND THEN THE STUDY TIMELINE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS ASKED WAS WHY NOW? YOU KNOW, IF THE STUDY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE UPDATED IN A FIVE YEAR POST COMMENCEMENT FROM THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL ADOPTION, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT NOW? AND SO THAT IS PROBABLY SOME OF WHAT YOU'LL HEAR A
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LITTLE BIT FROM TESTIMONY THIS EVENING. AND FINALLY, WE DID HAVE I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T POINT THIS OUT, IS THAT WE ALSO HAD FEEDBACK FROM THE EAST IDAHO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THEY ACTUALLY PUBLISHED A STATEMENT. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE OF IT, BUT IT WAS PUBLISHED FOR PUBLIC RECORD ON NOVEMBER. IN NOVEMBER OF LAST MONTH, NOVEMBER OF 2025.AND SO YOU WILL LIKELY HAVE SOME TESTIMONY REGARDING THAT STATEMENT AS WELL. AND I THIS WILL CONCLUDE STAFF PRESENTATION AND LET'S HAVE MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
YEAH. WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR COLIN PLEASE. OH, AND START WITH PAM THOUGH. CAN YOU SPEAK TO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD IN THE HEARING WAS HOW WE HAVE SPENT THE DOLLARS THAT WE'VE COLLECTED UP TO NOW, AND JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY'S SAKE AND CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN FIND THAT AS THEY GO FORWARD AND WHERE WE SEE THOSE NUMBERS IN OUR PACKETS? AND THEN ALSO, COULD YOU ALSO START THERE BUT ALSO SPEAK TO HOW CAN PRICE WAS A CONCERN IN THE INITIAL CONVERSATION BACK IN 2021 AND HOW WE GOT TO THIS 75% YOU MENTIONED? I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING. THAT ISN'T TALKED ABOUT NOW. OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO ANSWER FIRST WHERE YOU FIND THE COST. SO WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO DO QUARTERLY REPORT ON IMPACT FEES. AND WE DO THAT FOR ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. WE USUALLY USE THE INCEPTION DATE OF JUNE AS, AS PART OF OUR QUARTERLY REPORT. AND WHAT THE REPORT WE PROVIDE IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE OR IT SHOULD INCLUDE ANY COUNCIL APPROVED PROJECTS FOR IMPACT FEES. NOW, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WAYS. WE ALSO HAVE AN ADOPTED BUDGET. AND IN OUR ADOPTED BUDGET, WE HAVE THE REPAYMENT OF THE POLICE FACILITY COP. IT IS IN THE BUDGET. IT'S MARKED THAT WAY. AND SO THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE QUARTERLY REPORT BECAUSE IT WAS ADOPTED, ADOPTED BUDGET AS WELL AS THE NEW FIRE STATION OVER ON SPITFIRE. THAT'S ALSO IN THE BUDGET AS WELL. AND SO WHAT THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A SEPARATE REPORT ITEM. BUT WE DID HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT WERE ALONG THAT WERE PARKS RELATED. WE HAD A CANAL LIKE A PATHWAY ALONG THE CANAL THAT WAS ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO FROM AN ACCOUNTING BASIS, AND THOSE ARE DONE THROUGH TRANSFERS OF EXPENDITURES. AND THOSE WERE FOR THOSE THAT ARE DONE AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO TO TRANSFER THE COSTS FROM THE DEPARTMENT TO THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE FOR IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IN THE FIRST OF THE YEAR REPORT WHERE WE LIST THOSE. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS. AND BEING ABLE TO REPORT THOSE IDEALLY WHEN THEY GO TO COUNCIL, IDEALLY THEY'RE ADDED TO A SPREADSHEET THAT I HAVE. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE OUR PIO TEAM HAS DEVELOPED A BROCHURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ISSUED IT YET, BUT THEY DO HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOR IMPACT FEES, AND I CAN RATTLE OFF A FEW OF THEM IF YOU'D LIKE THIS EVENING. YEAH.
CAN YOU DO THAT? AND ALSO JUST SPEAK TO THE UNIQUE HURDLES OF STARTING A PROGRAM AND NOT HAVING MONEY, LIKE GETTING IT'S HARDER TO SPEND IN THIS FIRST ROUND. RIGHT. AND THEN ANY OTHER UNIQUE CHALLENGES THAT EMERGED TO SPENDING THE IMPACT FEES? WELL, SOME OF THE MAIN UNIQUE ONES IS THAT THE PROJECTS COST QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. SO YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY COLLECT A CERTAIN AMOUNT IN ORDER FOR TO BE ABLE TO USE IMPACT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT. AND THE AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE ISSUE OF THE PAYBACK OF THE CERTIFICATE OF PARTICIPATION FOR THE POLICE FACILITY IN 2024. THAT PAYMENT, PARDON ME HERE. THAT PAYMENT WAS $767,814. THAT WOULD NOT BE ON A COUNCIL REPORT, BUT THAT SHOULD BE IN A LIKE AN ANNUAL REPORT. IT IS IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR THE BUDGET IS LISTED AT 630,000. THAT THAT'S WHAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED OVER. SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. OUR PARKS WE HAD A COUNCIL REPORT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY CONNECT PATHWAY. THAT WAS IN 2023 FOR $57,064. WE ALSO HAD THAT CAME TO COUNCIL HERITAGE PARK, IRRIGATION, HERITAGE PARK, IRRIGATION SOUTH. THERE WAS A CHANGE ORDER THAT CAME TO COUNCIL. WE HAD A CONTRACT, A LEGAL CONTRACT WITH LEGAL FIRM, AND THAT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY. THEN WE ALSO HAVE THAT WE'RE SPENDING IMPACT FEES ON OUR ADDITIONAL ADVICE IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE THAT IS ALSO
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CHARGED THERE. WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT ARE PUBLIC WORKS. DIRECTOR CHRIS RICHARDSON BRINGS FORWARD. THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE ARE IMPACT BE ELIGIBLE. AND THE ONES THAT WE HAVE SO FAR ARE 49TH STREET INTERSECTION EXPANSION. AND THAT ONE, I'VE GOT ABOUT $4,330 THIS YEAR. PANCARI DRIVE IN UTAH, RIGHT TURN LANE. THAT WAS 72,349 SOUTH PROVIDENCE POINT TO STANFIELD LANE EXPANSION. THAT'S $283,513. AND WITHOUT TAKING ANY MORE TIME HERE, THE TOTAL ESTIMATED IS 3.6 MILLION. THAT HAS BEEN SPENT SO FAR SINCE THE INCEPTION. WE DIDN'T SPEND ANY MONEY IN 2022 BECAUSE, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, IT TAKES A WHILE TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE CASH BALANCES ON THAT. BUT WE JUST SPENT QUITE A BIT IN THIS 2025 AND THAT THAT COST WILL BE FINALIZED ONCE WE COMPLETE OUR COMPREHENSIVE AUDIT THAT WE HAVE. THAT WILL BE AND I HAD HERE IN SUBJECT TO THE KAFIR JUST VERIFYING THAT EVERYTHING HAPPENED THE WAY WE HAD PLANNED ON IT HAPPENING. SO I THOROUGHLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. OTHER THAN ANY OTHER HURDLES. WE DID WITH THE LAWSUIT, I THINK. YOU STAY WITH YOUR MICROPHONE. LET'S STAY AWAY FROM LITIGATION. OKAY. SO I DO HAVE COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY COUNCILMAN FRANCIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY? THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT I DO HAVE IS THAT JUST FOR SOME CLARITY, I, I RECALL THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN IN THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IMPACT FEE WAIVER PROGRAM, AND IT WAS KIND OF MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE REMOVING THAT FROM THE ORDINANCE ON A RECOMMENDATION. SO I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT IT DID NOT COME FORWARD AS A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION. CAN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? OR MAYBE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE MR. STEWART COME BACK, BUT I THAT ONE WAS ONE THAT CAUGHT ME A LITTLE OFF GUARD THIS TIME BECAUSE I THOUGHT, OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION, ONLY TO FIND OUT IT IS WAS NOT THE. AND I'LL, I'LL LET SHERIFF STEWART COME UP, BUT I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHAT MY RECOLLECTION WAS. AND THAT WAS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. WE DID HAVE AN IMPACT FEE COMMITTEE MEETING WITH OUR PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY, MICHAEL KIRKHAM, AS WELL AS OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, JACOB. JACOB. AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONCERNS THAT THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAD ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THEIR BIGGEST CONCERNS WERE AND I DO HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CAN CLARIFY WHETHER I'VE GOT THIS CORRECTLY OR NOT. BUT THE CONCERNS WERE THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ENFORCE, AND THAT WAS A CONCERN. AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMITTEE ACTUALLY ASKED OUR LEGAL TEAM WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ISSUE, LIKE A LIEN. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN, THEY GET A AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAIVER AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A COMMITMENT. I THINK IT'S A 20 YEAR COMMITMENT TO MAINTAIN THAT DEVELOPMENT. IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEN IT CHANGES HANDS AND THEN IT CHANGES THE OPERATIONS. WHAT WAS THE CITY'S ENFORCEMENT POWER? AND IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT POWER BECAUSE IT'S NOT CITY PROPERTY, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO LIEN THE PROPERTY AS WELL. AND SO THAT WAS A REALLY VERY THOROUGH CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ENFORCE THAT. AND IT REALLY BECAME AN ISSUE OF, SHOULD WE JUST NOT HAVE? THIS WASN'T FROM THE COMMITTEE, BUT STAFF TALKED ABOUT, SHOULD WE JUST REMOVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAIVER PROCESS FROM THE ORDINANCE AND MOVE IT INTO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THAT HAS A SUBCATEGORY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND SO THAT WAS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUT OF THE ORDINANCE AND INTO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROGRAM. SO THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION OF IT. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT I SEE I SEE MR. STEWART NODDING HIS HEAD BACK THERE, THAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS HIS HIS RECOLLECTION AS WELL. YEAH. AND WE, WE REALLY TO BE HONEST, WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T CLOSE THE LOOP ON THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE WERE STILL TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING THIS PLAN, THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE SUBUNIT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THE WE NEVER GOT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE EVEN HAD A PRESENTATION ON THAT AT[01:50:01]
THIS TIME. BUT AGAIN, WE WANTED TO GET THE ORDINANCE UPDATED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOR THIS PARTICULAR EVENING. AND SO I THINK IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, COME BACK TO. BUT SUFFICE TO SAY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE COMMITTEE, THE CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMITTEE IS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE THAT THERE WAS SOME WAY TO ENFORCE THOSE THOSE WAIVERS, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAIVERS. THANK YOU. ANY OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR COLIN? I'LL WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BRADFORD AND. COLIN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? ALL RIGHT. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME FOR BEING WITH US. HEY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CONVERSATION AROUND SQUARE FOOTAGE AND HOW THAT HAS EMERGED AND WHAT THE AIMS OF THAT ARE AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AND WHY WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT. WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S THE QUESTION. THE 2021 STUDY USED A COMMON APPROACH WHERE YOU ASSESS THE IMPACT FEES ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BY THE TYPE OF HOME. ANOTHER COMMON APPROACH IS LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE HOME'S SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME TO DETERMINE PROPORTIONATE DEMAND AND PROPORTIONATE FEE. RELATED TO THAT, IT'S I BELIEVE IT WAS COMING FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AGAIN. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH ITERATION BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO EXPLORE THAT. AND THEN WHEN WE DID, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT THAT FIGURE THERE THAT HOMES I BELIEVE BELOW 2500FT■S ACTUALLY GET A REDUCTION BECAUSE WE CAN SHOW USING LOCAL CENSUS DATA THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY LESS PEOPLE IN THOSE SMALLER HOMES. AND SO THEY HAVE LESS OF A DEMAND ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE LESS CALLS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, LESS TRIPS ON OUR ROADS, LESS VISITATIONS TO OUR PARKS. AND SO THEY SHOULD PAY, YOU KNOW, FOR A SMALLER FEE COMPARED TO THOSE WITH WITH HIGHER NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND A HIGHER DEMAND AND A HIGHER FEE. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IMPACT FEES. AND IT'S YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE I KNOW CITY OF CALDWELL IS GOING TO START EXPLORING IT. SO SO MORE MORE AND MORE CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ASSESSING FEES BY SQUARE FOOTAGE HERE. IS IT SEEN AS A WAY TO ENCOURAGE AFFORDABILITY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S TALKED ABOUT IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE THINGS YOU'RE TRAINED ON, OR IS IT AN UNKNOWN? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE MAIN PROS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE COMPARING A FEE SCHEDULE BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE COMPARED TO BY THE TYPE OF HOME YOU'LL END UP, YOU KNOW, GETTING MORE BRACKETS, RIGHT? ESSENTIALLY. RIGHT. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, BECAUSE WE CAN BE MORE DETAILED IN OUR APPROACH. AND SO YOU HAVE SMALLER HOMES, TYPICALLY LOWER VALUE HOMES. WE PAY A SMALLER IMPACT FEE. AND THAT WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY OR SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WERE BEING BUILT PRETTY COMMON RECENTLY. TERRIFIC. AND THEN I'M SUPER INTERESTED IN YOUR YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE THE WELL VERSED CONSULTANT HERE. AND I'M FASCINATED BY THIS CONVERSATION WHERE THE COUNCIL SEEMS TO BE CRITICIZED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON WHETHER WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE DENSITY OR APARTMENTS. WHEN WE DID IT THROUGH OUR FIRST FEE ORDINANCE AND THEN VERSUS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT SEEMS LIKE IN MY MIND, I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO RESPOND AND BE MORE EQUITABLE. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD BY THE PUBLIC THAT IT'S THE SQUARE. FOOTAGE IS ENCOURAGING APARTMENTS. SO COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT ARGUMENT IN THE PROFESSIONAL REALM THAT YOU'RE IN? GREAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE'RE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T SAY INCENTIVIZE, YOU KNOW, FROM AN IMPACT FEE PERSPECTIVE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, IN DOLLAR FORM IS THAT RELATED DEMAND ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BASED BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE HOME, WE HAVEN'T REDUCED, YOU KNOW, FROM THE MAXIMUM ANY, YOU KNOW, LOWERING OF THE FEES WITHIN THOSE SMALLER CATEGORIES, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALL THAT ALL REPRESENTS 100% MAXIMUM AT EACH ONE OF THOSE SIZE SIZE GROUPINGS. INCENTIVIZING WOULD BE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND ACTUALLY ISSUING CREDITS AND WAIVERS FOR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COLIN. WHEN I'M LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE AND IT SHOWS CURRENT FEE, IS THAT THE 100% WE COULD HAVE CHARGED, OR IS THAT THE 75%? THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF THE 75% THAT WAS ADOPTED FOR POLICE[01:55:05]
FIRE PARKS AND 100% THAT WAS ADOPTED FOR ROADS. SO ACTUALLY A BIT HIGHER TO COMPARE THOSE TWO COLUMNS IN MY OWN MIND, THE CURRENT FEE, I THINK I'VE ASKED FOR THIS BEFORE. THERE SHOULD BE ONE MORE COLUMN THAT SHOWS WHAT THE MAXIMUM WAS IN THE 21 STUDY THAT WE CHOSE NOT TO TO GO TO THAT MAXIMUM. BUT YOU CAN'T EXACTLY COMPARE THOSE NUMBERS. THE MAXIMUM IN 2025.SUPPORTABLE FEE. THERE'S A COLUMN MISSING IN MY MIND, BUT I THINK I MENTIONED THAT BEFORE.
BUT. WE HAVE THAT READILY AVAILABLE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE 2021 STUDY, YOU KNOW, IN HAND. I, I THINK THAT WOULD CHANGE SOMEWHAT THE WAY THOSE NUMBERS LOOK IN THE FINAL COLUMN. BECAUSE YOU'D BE COMPARING THE CURRENT FEE AGAINST RIGHT NOW, THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE, AND IT WOULD BE IN THE 6000. IN THE CURRENT FEE WOULD BE I SEE. YEAH, I CAN SEE THAT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR COLIN BEFORE WE ONE THING THAT IF HE COULD SPEAK TO WHY IT MATTERS ABOUT OUR SERVICE LEVEL AND WHY IT MATTERS ABOUT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MOVE ALONG, BECAUSE THAT IS ALWAYS IMPACTED BY THIS. SO IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT. COLIN, DID YOU HEAR THAT QUESTION? NO.
YEAH. WE SO I'M ASKING YOU TO JUST KIND OF TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY IT MATTERS WHERE WE STARTED AND WHAT WE BUILD IN THE INTERVENING YEARS BETWEEN IMPACT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT STUDIES AND SO THAT YOU CAN TELL US, YOU KNOW, WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE SERVICE LEVEL CONSISTENT. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, TO THE POINT EARLIER TOO. SO WE, WE SET THESE FEES OR WHAT. THE MAXIMUM REPRESENTS THE GREEN THERE IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNTS ARE CALCULATED BASED ON THE CITY'S CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO SO WHAT DOES IT COST TO EXPAND PARKS, TO EXPAND FIRE STATIONS, EXPAND YOUR ARTERIAL ROAD NETWORK TO CONTINUE TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE AS WE GROW SO MORE FOLKS MOVE IN, MORE BUSINESSES ARE BUILT. WE NEED TO EXPAND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WE CAN JUSTIFIABLY CHARGE IMPACT FEES TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE FUTURE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A TIMING ELEMENT THERE, YOU KNOW, FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE IS YOU HAVE TO COLLECT THE DOLLARS TO MAKE THE MAKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION. AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A TIME LAG, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS TO BUILD UP A CASH BALANCE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT MATERIAL ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SEE IN THE GREEN IS WHAT YOU'RE PROVIDING TO YOUR CURRENT RESIDENTS. AND SO WHEN A COMMUNITY ADOPTS A FEE LOWER THAN THE MAXIMUM, YOU SORT OF GO DOWN ONE OF TWO ROUTES. YOU HAVE TO FIND OTHER REVENUES TO TO MAKE THAT WHOLE OR, YOU KNOW, BE ALL RIGHT WITH, WITH DEPRECIATING LEVELS OF SERVICE IN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN I HAVE MY FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU, COLIN, IS CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE THE REASON WHY WE DEDUCTED THE CASH BALANCES THAT ARE IN EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO CREATE THE NEW FEE? YEAH. ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. YEAH. SO WE SAY SORRY, JUST A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST ROUGHLY LET'S SAY WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, $4 MILLION AND YOU'VE ALREADY COLLECTED 8 MILLION IN THE BANK. WELL, WE SHOULD ONLY BE CALCULATING THE IMPACT FEE TO RECOUP THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN 3 MILLION NOT NOT THE 4 MILLION TOTAL. AND SO REDUCING THE FEE THERE I THINK IN ALL THE CATEGORIES TO TO ACCOUNT FOR BALANCE. THANK YOU. OKAY. DIRECTOR ALEXANDER OKAY. IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE ABILITY TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YES. OKAY. IF YOU DID GET THE CHANCE TO SIGN IN. WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT FROM THE CITY CLERK. IF, IF, IF AND WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, WELL, I WILL CALL YOUR NAME. I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE ANYBODY OFF. SO WHEN I, WHEN I DO CALL YOUR NAME, I'M GOING TO CALL TWO NAMES. SO THE FIRST NAME WOULD COME. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TESTIFY AS I ORIGINALLY
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THOUGHT. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT. WE'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR TESTIMONY. SO WE WOULD BEGIN WITH BRETT SKIDMORE AND THEN FOLLOWED BY TJ. AND I DON'T KNOW TJ OKAY. NOT NOT AUSTIN OKAY. SO MR. SKIDMORE AND THEN MR. NORDERSTEDT. YES OKAY OKAY.YOU'RE FINE. YEP. NO NO PROBLEM TJ AND TJ IS A MEMBER OF OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND SO WE WE WELCOME YOU AND AND I I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SET THIS TIMER. BUT WE WILL BE FLEXIBLE FOR YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOU SET THE TIMER. CONGRATULATIONS TO MR. FRANCIS. MR. FREEMAN AND MARILYN BURTENSHAW. YOU KNOW, WE ARE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST. SO THAT'S THE HONEST TRUTH. YEAH. SO THE SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK LONG BECAUSE I THINK PAM DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF LAYING OUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK IT'S I DON'T THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS READY TO BE VOTED ON FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND THE MAIN REASON IS WE GOT THE FIRST PACKAGE. SO IT WAS A CONSENSUS ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO NOT INCLUDE FINISHED SQUARE FOOT IN THE CALCULATIONS. I MEAN, THAT THAT WAS THAT WAS VOTED ON THAT. WE TALKED THROUGH THAT EXTENSIVELY. AND THE REASON WHY WAS AFFORDABILITY, BUT IT WAS ALSO BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH BASED ON AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT, THAT THEY MIGHT NOT FINISH, THAT BASEMENT THAT MIGHT STAY UNFINISHED, BUT YET THEY'RE PAYING FOR A QUOTE UNQUOTE IMPACT. ALSO IN COLLIN'S STUDY, HE DIRECTLY TIES THE GROWTH OF THE HOUSE WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. RIGHT.
WELL, IDAHO FALLS IS DIFFERENT THAN BOISE AND MA'AM, BUT IN CALDWELL, JUST IN THE FACT THAT WE DO A LOT OF UNFINISHED BASEMENTS HERE, AND WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY WHERE WE CAN KEEP THE FEE SCHEDULE LOW, AS LOW AS WE CAN. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN. WELL, IF YOU TAKE A 1500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AS A STARTER HOUSE, RIGHT. AND NOW YOU'RE GETTING ASSESSED THE FEE AS A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, THAT INCREASES THE FEE SCHEDULE BY $2,000, LIKE $2,000 MAKES A DIFFERENCE. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. YOU MIGHT NOT SEEM LIKE IT DOES, BUT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON WHETHER YOU CAN QUALIFY FOR THE MORTGAGE, WHETHER YOU KNOW IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND SO SO AS A COMMITTEE, THAT WAS A ONE OF OUR MAIN POINTS THAT WE REALLY HAMMERED OUT. WE WE GOT THE UPDATED ONE ON OCTOBER 7TH.
THAT SAID, WE'RE INCLUDING THE FINISHED SQUARE. WE'RE UNFINISHED SQUARE FOOT IN OUR FEE CALCULATION. WE GOT IT OCTOBER 7TH. WE MET OCTOBER 14TH. WE AND WE WERE TOLD, THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THIS THROUGH. WE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY FUTURE FOLLOW UP BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, THEY WANT TO PUSH THIS THROUGH. THEY WANT TO MOVE IT. YOU GUYS HAD ALREADY SCHEDULED TO MOVE IT THROUGH AND SO WE DIDN'T EVEN VOTE ON IT. WE WERE JUST LIKE, COUNCIL'S GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. AND I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE PROCESS, BRING THEM INTO THE PROCESS, LISTEN TO THEM. WE'RE NOT WE MIGHT NOT GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT, YOU MIGHT NOT GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT. BUT THE PROCESS IS THE PROCESS. AND AND TO TO GIVE US THE FINAL DRAFT ON OCTOBER 7TH, WE NEED OCTOBER 14TH. AND WE WE HAVE NO DISCUSSION. WE CAN'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, LISTEN, BECAUSE WE HAVE UNFINISHED BASEMENTS. THIS CHANGES THE WHOLE IT CHANGES THE WHOLE STUDY. IT CHANGES EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT SINCE MAY. RIGHT. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS I WAS DOING AN ANALYSIS. I WANTED TO DO AN ANALYSIS. SO I HAD WADE.
AND WADE HAS BEEN FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH. I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT HE SENT ME SOME INFORMATION ON THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WERE GOING IN ON UTAH. RIGHT. SO I WANTED TO DO KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF THIS IS WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS FOR A HOUSE. LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT EVEN. WELL, SO I CONTACTED HIM AND I SAID, HEY, AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE GOES, LIKE, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A 24,000 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT? I SAID, SO AM I JUST TAKING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? LET'S SAY THERE'S THREE FLOORS.
AM I JUST TAKING THAT 8000FT■S? AND THAT'S HOW I'M CALCULATING THE FEE. AND HE SAID, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT. SO HE GOT BACK TO ME AND HE SAID, ACTUALLY, NO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE ANY OF THE I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE HALLWAYS. WE DON'T INCLUDE STAIRWELLS. WE DON'T INCLUDE MECHANICAL ROOMS. WE DON'T INCLUDE COMMON SPACES. SO THAT SO YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE SOMEONE FOR AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT. BUT
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ON AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THERE'S THERE'S NO YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IT'S USABLE SPACE. IT'S CONDITION SPACE LIKE IT IS SPACE. RIGHT. BUT THE FACT THAT I HAD TO ASK THAT QUESTION AND WE DIDN'T KNOW RIGHT AWAY, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET WHEN WHEN THE NEW FEE SCHEDULE COMES OUT, YOU WILL HAVE YOU WILL HAVE ISSUES LIKE THAT. AND IT BETTER BE CLEAR AND IT BETTER BE CONCISE. AND EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THAT FEE SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT? WHAT IT INCLUDES, WHAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, HOW IT AFFECTS THEIR PERMIT. SO AS A AS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBER, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU.THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. MY FEEDBACK IS I THINK THERE'S STILL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I DON'T THINK IT CAN MOVE FORWARD YET, BUT THAT'S JUST MY $0.02. I'M WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WANTS MORE INFORMATION ON IT.
YOU CAN REACH OUT ANYTIME. LIKE I FEEL LIKE I HAVE. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS SINCE THE BEGINNING, SO I THINK I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD GRASP ON IT FROM 2021 TO NOW. AND, AND I GUESS I'M JUST SAYING I'M AVAILABLE. LIKE THAT'S LIKE YOU USE THIS IF YOU HAVE TO USE IT.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OH YES. IT IS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK ZACH. YES, IT'S ON THE AGENDA. IT IS ON THE AGENDA. SO SO WE COULD ASK TJ QUESTIONS IF HE WAS IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, IS THAT. NO. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A PRIVATE I CAN REACH OUT BUT IT HAS TO BE WITH YOU. WE DO APPRECIATE IT.
I HAVE A FIRST QUESTION, SO I LOVE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. WHAT WOULD HAVE WORKED FOR YOU TO FEEL LIKE THE FEEDBACK? BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, THE TWO SIDES AREN'T GOING TO BE GOING TO COME TO THE SAME AGREEMENTS EVERY TIME. WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS, IF WE COULD HAVE HAD OCTOBER 7TH AND THEN SOME TIME AND THEN US KIND OF SOMEHOW HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION OR HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY AND BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IT BEFORE WE COME BACK, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT YOU SOUND IT FEELS LIKE TO YOU THAT WHAT WE FELT LIKE WE WERE SAYING ABOUT TIMING WAS MORE ABOUT THE CONTENT, WHERE I DON'T THINK WE WERE ALL THINKING, OH, WE'RE DONE WITH WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CONTENT. BUT WE DO. I THINK PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO GET THE COMMITMENT AROUND THE PREDICTABILITY OF THE TIMELINE.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE ONE INTERESTING THING. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU IS YOU PORTRAYED THIS AS SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME YOU'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BASEMENT, UNFINISHED BASEMENT, WHICH IS SOMETHING I SHARED. BUT I WONDER IF THE IF THE UNFINISHED BASEMENTS ARE ELIMINATED. ARE YOU STILL MORE INTERESTED IN SQUARE FOOTAGE BEING LEFT, OR WOULD YOU LIKE THE BACK TO THE 2021 STUDY? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND I BUT BUT HERE'S WHEN WE FIRST STARTED MEETING ON THIS UPDATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE FIRST DRAFT THAT WE GOT WAS BASICALLY KEEPING IT ON A PER DOOR SCHEDULE. RIGHT. AND THE THE FEES DIDN'T RAISE THAT MUCH. THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY WERE. AND WE SAID WE WERE TOLD THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATIONS.
IS THERE A WAY TO BRING THE FEES DOWN? AND WE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT IS MAYBE THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. LET'S LOOK AT IT. RIGHT. BUT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY NUMBERS IN THESE STUDIES, I MEAN, WE'RE WAITING ON TISCHLER BICE TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED SO WE CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION. BUT WHEN WE WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FEE SCHEDULE WITHOUT UNFINISHED BASEMENTS, THAT SLIDE WHERE IT SAYS THE IT GOES DOWN, IT'S IT'S TRUE.
RIGHT. BUT AS SOON AS YOU INCLUDE THE FINISHED BASEMENT THAT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
SO IT CHANGES. IT CHANGES EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT STUFF. RIGHT. AND WE HONESTLY NEVER EVEN AS A COMMITTEE WE DIDN'T GET THE CHANCE. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. WE GOT IT OCTOBER 7TH.
WE MET OCTOBER 14TH. WE REALLY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. WE WERE TOLD IT'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND THAT WE LEFT IT AT THAT. SO I LIKE THAT CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF JUST HEARING WHAT YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS BECAUSE OF THE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE SAME GOAL OF TRYING TO REDUCE THE FEE, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE WAS TRYING TO GET TO WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE. BUT WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE BROUGHT IS, OH, YOU'RE DOUBLING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BY HAVING A 1500 SQUARE FOOT ONE FLOOR FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT OF 1500. NOW YOU'RE 3000FT■S. NOW YOU'RE NOT LOWER. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, I, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IMPACT FEES IS A IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE, RIGHT? AND THERE'S A LOT TO IT. AND IT'S NOT LIKE UNFORTUNATELY I KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN I REALLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT MORE IT'S A COMPLICATED PROBLEM. AND I SEE THIS I SEE THE CITY SIDE OF IT. AND THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE THAT IT
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AFFECTS IN THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND THERE'S THAT BALANCE WHERE YOU GOT TO MESH, THAT BALANCE WHERE IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, AND NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE HAPPY, BUT THEY SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE, HOW THEY'RE CALCULATED AND HOW THEY'RE SPENT. RIGHT. AND AND WHAT YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T ALWAYS BE THE MAXIMUM. WHAT CAN WE WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO MAKE IT? WHAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE GOT TO GET TO TO MAKE IT WORK FOR EVERYBODY. RIGHT. SO SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO GROW. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THINK. AND ONE MORE QUESTION. THE UNFINISHED GARAGES, BECAUSE WE DID AGREE WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THAT. DID THAT GET RELAYED. OH YEAH. LIKE WE YEAH I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT YOU. YEAH I, I KNOW TJ'S LIKE LIKE HERE'S OUR PERSON I DO HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL. SO IF YOU WERE TO GO BACK, ONE OF THE COMPLICATIONS IN THE FIRST STUDY WAS THE DEFINITION OF MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS A FIRE WALL BETWEEN THEM AND, AND, AND SPRINKLERS AND, AND THAT REALLY PUSHED THE CONVERSATION MAYBE INTO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SO THAT WE COULDN'T SO THAT THERE WASN'T ALWAYS A, AN APPEAL COMING TO SAY, NO, ACTUALLY, THIS IS MULTIFAMILY AND THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY. SO WE WERE TRYING TO CLEAN THAT UP RIGHT AT THE END OF THAT CONVERSATION. AND BEFORE WE MOVE INTO SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT WAS DISCUSSED. IF YOU BUILT UNDER THE IBC, YOU WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY. AND IF YOU BUILT UNDER THE IRC, IT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY. OR IF YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ANY OF THAT. BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING. I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT DID NOT. IT NEVER MADE IT INTO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO THAT THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE, MAYBE THAT WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO. ANYWAY, THAT WAS I THINK THAT IT WAS PART OF THE MOVING TO SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS TO CLEAN UP THE DEFINITION THAT WAS GETTING COMPLICATED BY WHETHER IT WAS MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY. SO I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THE COMMITTEE HAD HAD MADE A WHEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE DIDN'T KNOW. WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD GET RID OF MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY AT THE TIME WHEN WE SAID, WHAT IS THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE TO GO TO SQUARE FOOTAGE? WE HADN'T HAD ANY INFORMATION FROM TISSUE, RIGHT? SO WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY WERE SEPARATED, WHETHER IT'S WHEN IT GOES BY SQUARE FOOTAGE, UNTIL WE WE GOT THE REPORT. SO THAT'S WHEN THE THAT'S WHEN WE REALIZED, WELL, IT'S JUST ALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY. IT'S NOT PROGRAMMATIC. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER FRIENDS. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE UNFINISHED UPSTAIRS OKAY. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT. WELL IT'S I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RIGHT. BUT I MEAN I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I THINK YOU WOULD FIND LESS THAN 1% OF HOUSES THAT HAVE AN UNFINISHED UPSTAIRS. RIGHT? IT'S NOT COMMON LIKE MAYBE IT IS. AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A TALK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO WITH, YOU KNOW, BONUS ROOMS ABOVE GARAGE. SO WE DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT. BUT THE, THE INSTANCES WHERE YOU WOULD NOT FINISH THE UPSTAIRS OF THE HOUSE IS, IS REALLY SMALL. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU, THAT THERE'S UNFINISHED BASEMENTS ARE COMMON IN THIS AREA. THEY'RE SUPER COMMON. AND IT'S COSTS GO UP.RIGHT. THAT'S THEY DON'T GIVE IT ANY TIME. SO YOU WOULD CHARGE THE FEE FOR UPSTAIRS EVEN IF IT'S 1%. IF SOMEBODY DIDN'T FINISH THE UPSTAIRS I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. WE DIDN'T WE HONESTLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OF WHAT DO WE DO? I MEAN, IF THERE WAS NO DEFINITION BUILT OUT. SO I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER. FREEMAN, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE THE UNFINISHED BASEMENTS, AGAIN, ABOUT HOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW IF A HOMEOWNER FINISHES HIS BASEMENT OR NOT? RIGHT? I MEAN, IF HE DOESN'T, IF HE DOESN'T PULL A PERMIT AND HE DOES THE WORK HIMSELF, WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW ABOUT IT. AND THEN HE'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SO I AGREE, YOU'RE NOT. BUT YOU'RE ALSO MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT UNFINISHED BASEMENT IS IS COST IS ATTRIBUTING TO LEVELS OF SERVICE. RIGHT. THAT THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT UNFINISHED BASEMENT THAT DON'T LIVE THERE ARE ARE CONTRIBUTING TO FIRE AND POLICE AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE PULLING FROM. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE ALREADY MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT THAT THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT IF YOU INCLUDE UNFINISHED BASEMENTS IN IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS TO TO TRACK EVERY UNFINISHED BASEMENT. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WASN'T THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I MEAN, IF WE LEAVE, WE LEAVE THEM OUT AND THEN THEY GET FINISHED AND THEN THEY'RE THEY'VE NEVER PAID FOR THE IMPACT. I MEAN, IT'S A CONCERN. IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. I SO WAIT, THAT ANSWERS I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S A
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HEARING SO I DON'T KNOW. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.THANK YOU FOR STANDING FOR QUESTIONS. THANKS. OKAY. NOW, MR. SKIDMORE. RESCUE ONE 3920 SUICIDE. I TOTALLY BLEW CONGRATULATING YOU TOO EARLIER. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ELECTION. AND AGAIN, THANKS FOR REMINDING ME, TJ. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH BOTH OF YOU. SO TJ DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. HOW DO WE TRACK BASEMENTS? THERE IS NO GOOD ANSWER. WHEN YOU GO SELL YOUR HOUSE, YOU ENLIST A REALTOR. THERE'S A QUESTIONNAIRE ASKING IF THERE'S BEEN A ANY WORK DONE THAT DIDN'T OBTAIN A PERMIT, AND IF THE HOMEOWNERS, HONEST OR NOT, YOU CAN'T BE CONTROLLED. SO GREAT QUESTION. YOUR QUESTION ABOUT UPSTAIRS. I ACTUALLY HAD THIS YEAR SOMEONE WANTED TO FINISH THE BASEMENT AND NOT FINISH THE MAIN FLOOR. AND THAT WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE IN MY CAREER. SOME YEARS OF PRACTICE. IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF, BUT. LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, VERY LITTLE. A COUPLE INTERESTING FACTS. THIS YEAR I DID TWO HOMES, EMPTY NESTERS. THE FIRST ONE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE EXACTLY ON SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THAT GOOD. IT'S A TWO STORY HOUSE WITH A FINISHED BASEMENT. I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S 2500 ON THE MAIN FLOOR, 2500 IN THE BASEMENT AND PROBABLY 800 TO 1000 ON ON THE MAIN FLOOR. RETIRED COUPLE A HUGE HOUSE AND NOBODY ELSE IS THERE. SHARE THEIR FAMILIES GOING TO COME AND VISIT. GRANDKIDS ARE GOING TO COME VISIT. BUT DAY TO DAY USE. IT'S TWO PEOPLE IN THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THE OTHER ONE WAS A RANCH WITH A WALKOUT BASEMENT. WELL, IT WAS A WALKOUT, BUT A BASEMENT. THEY THEY FINISHED THE COMPLETE HOUSE AND EMPTY NESTERS, THEIR SON LIVES LIKE THREE DOORS DOWN FROM THEM. I SUSPECT THEY HAVE GRANDKIDS THAT LIVE OUT OF STATE. SO WHEN TJ SAID WE'RE NOT THE SAME AS AS BOISE, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A TRUE FACT. THE THE UPPER END HOUSES. SO THE FEE SCHEDULE I THINK IS REALLY SKEWED ON ON THE LARGER HOMES, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE. AND IT'S HIGHLY FAVORABLE ON ON TJ EXPRESSED THE SMALLER SINGLE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. THERE'S A I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE BEEN BUILDING SINCE 1958, ALMOST 70 YEARS. I'VE BEEN PERSONALLY DOING IT FOR AROUND 35. WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING A SUBDIVISION OUT BY. GOLF COURSE MIDDLETOWN 65TH NORTH. WE CALL IT TETON VIEW. IT'S A DUPLEX COMPLEX, SO A TWIN HOME SIDE BY SIDE, DOUBLE, DOUBLE. I THINK THERE'S AROUND 100, 100 LOTS OR. OH IS THAT THE PUD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HEARING ON. NO IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT. IT IS. IT'S ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING UNDER CONSTRUCTION. YES. SO IT'S WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 100 LOTS OR 50 TWIN HOMES OUT THERE. WE HAD TO HOOK ON. WE HAD TO WE HAVE WE HAVE A PLOT OF GROUND AND WE HAD TO GO APPROXIMATELY AGAIN, APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES TO HOOK ON TO WATER AND SEWER. AND THE POINT THAT I'M GETTING TO IS THAT WAS OUR SOLE COST OF THAT TWO MILES NOW A HANDFUL OF YEARS AGO, A LOT OF CHANGE TO A TEN YEAR TIME PERIOD. ANYBODY WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER WITHIN TEN YEARS HOOKS ON TO THAT. THE CITY REIMBURSES ME. BUT A YEAR 11 I'M JUST S.O.L, SO I DO PAY FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT GOING IN THERE UP FRONT, OUT OF MY POCKET. I DO IMPROVE MY SIDE OF THE ROAD. I MAKE IT TO CITY STANDARDS. NOT ONLY THAT, I HAD TO PUT A SEWER PUMP STATION IN AND WE'RE ALL READY TO ORDER ALL THE PARTS AND WE GET A CALL FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPER. HEY, CAN WE CAN WE HOOK ON? WELL, SURE YOU CAN, BUT WE'RE SIZED FOR OUR DIVISION NOW. YOU WANT TO HOOK ON. NOW WE HAVE TO UPSIZE EVERYTHING. AND THEY PARTICIPATED IN IT. BUT THAT IS THAT IS PUTTING INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THE CITY FOR EVERYBODY'S CRAP TO ROLL DOWN HERE. AND AND SO THE POINT THAT I'M REALLY GETTING AT IS AND OF COURSE WE HAVE TO IMPROVE OUR ROADS AND OUR CITY SIDEWALKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THE RUMOR THAT'S GOING ON IS, IS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T PAY FOR ITSELF. AND I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT SUNNYSIDE HAS BEEN HORRENDOUS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WHEN
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WHEN IT FIRST WIDENED AND SUNNYSIDE WAS THE SNAKE. RIGHT NOW YOU GOT TO GO OUT TO 45TH TO GET AWAY FROM TRAFFIC. SO I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THAT THAT MORE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T DOESN'T AFFECT OTHER AREAS. BUT THE COMMON STATEMENT THAT DEVELOPERS DON'T PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT DOESN'T PAY FOR FOR THEIR IMPROVEMENTS IS A 100% LIE. THAT IS NOT TRUE.DO WE COLLECT THOSE FEES WHEN WE SELL? ABSOLUTELY. I'M I'M IN BUSINESS JUST LIKE THE ICE CREAM CART. OR I NEED TO MAKE A LITTLE PROFIT. I NEED TO PAY MY EMPLOYEES. AND SO AGAIN, WE DO OUR FAIR SHARE OF IMPROVING, IMPROVING, IMPROVING THE CITY. BACK IN THE DAYS, WE'VE ALSO DONE STORM PONDS THAT THE CITY HAS TURNED INTO PARKS, AND WE JUST DONATED THE GROUND TO THEM.
AND SO WE'VE OVER THE LAST 70 YEARS, WE HAVE HAD A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE IDAHO FALLS. AND AND I EXPECT TO DO THE SAME. MY SON'S THIRD GENERATION, MY NEPHEW IS FOURTH GENERATION. YOU CAN SEE MY SMILE IS GETTING LIKE I CAN. YES, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS WELL THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE YOU ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. AND YOU COMPLETELY WIPED MY I KNOW THAT WAS WHAT I WAS. YOUR SON. YOUR SON IS DOING. YES. AND MY GREAT NEPHEW'S FOURTH GENERATION. WE'RE HERE TO STAY. WE WANT TO HELP IMPROVE THE CITY. WE WANT TO WORK IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY. ONE. ONE THING THAT I REALLY WISH THAT WE COULD WORK AROUND IS. AND I THINK THIS WILL HELP COMMUNICATIONS WITH, WITH DEVELOPERS AND AND AND THE CITY. I WAS ASKED TO SIT ON THE ON THE IMPACT FEE COMMITTEE. I DON'T PERSONALLY LIVE IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. I'M HEAVILY INVESTED IN IDAHO FALLS.
I OWN REAL ESTATE, I DEVELOP, I'M I'M HELPING IMPROVE IDAHO FALLS. BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, I COULDN'T SIT ON THE COMMITTEE. AND IF WE COULD OPEN UP THAT, YOU GET A HALF A DOZEN OF US IN A ROOM AND SIT DOWN AND OPENLY HAVE A CONVERSATION AND HEAR OUR SIDE OF THE STORY, LET'S HEAR YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY. INSTEAD OF ME TALKING TO TJ SECOND HAND AND OH, HE FORGOT THIS OR THAT OR THAT OR THIS, YOU KNOW, STUFF GETS WATERED OUT. SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
I'D BE HAPPY TO. ANY QUESTIONS I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I GOT A I ACTUALLY FELT LIKE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND PART OF IT BECAUSE IT FELT TO ME LIKE IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU WERE SAYING THE BIGGER THE HOUSE, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE AN IMPACT, WHICH MAKES ME FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD RATHER GO BACK TO MULTIFAMILY VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY AS OPPOSED TO I'LL JUST. YEAH, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING TO. SO, SO DOWN THERE. SO LET'S $7,700. SO YOU WOULD PREFER IT GO BACK TO FAMILY RESIDENCE AND A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A FIXED COST FOR MULTIFAMILY? WELL, IF YOU WANT TO TALK SQUARE, HERE'S MY OPINION. IF YOU WANT TO TALK SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE TWO INSTANCES THAT I GAVE YOU, LET'S JUST GO RIGHT TO THE $5,000. IT'S $7,731.
OKAY. IN EACH OF THE EXAMPLES I GAVE YOU, THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE. NOW, LET'S GO TO A PRODUCTION BUILDER THAT'S BUILDING A 1500 SQUARE FOOT. RANCH. AND THEY THEY A YOUNG FAMILY COMING UP. I'M. SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET IS THE IMPACT OF PEOPLE IN MY HOUSES THAT I BUILD, I BELIEVE IS LESS THAN WHAT WHAT A PRODUCTION BUILDER MIGHT BE. SO I THINK YOU'RE I THINK YOU'RE HITTING IT REALLY HEAVY ON, ON THE UPPER END SQUARE FOOTAGE AND, AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, THE PRODUCTION BUILDERS ARE GOING TO BUILD A 1200 TO 1500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND YOU'RE HITTING THEM UP FOR $6,000, EVEN FOR NOT FINISHING THE BASEMENT. WE WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION THE AND IT'S NOT THAT I WANT TO TACK ON THE HEAD.
NO I KNOW SO YOU'RE JUST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU WOULD STOP AT LIKE 3500 AND ABOVE.
JUST PAYS A CERTAIN YOU STAY WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BUT CAP OFF AT A CERTAIN. OKAY, I THAT'S WHERE I STARTED JUST CONFUSED BECAUSE IF I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE HE'S REALLY TRYING TO SAY SQUARE FOOTAGE VERSUS OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL COUNCILOR LARSON PLEASE. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT'S COLD TURKEY RIGHT OFF. SO IF IF WE DID WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE THAT'S 5000FT■!S MOST OF THE TIME DOEST HAVE FIVE TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN IT. A HOUSE OF 1000FT.
THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. BUT WHEN WE DO THE CAPITAL BUDGETS AND WE AND TISCHLER BICE COMES BACK
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AND SAYS, OKAY, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS MANY PEOPLE IN TOWN, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS MORE, MANY PEOPLE IN TOWN TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. SO WHAT THE WAY TO ONE OF THE WAYS TO LOOK AT IS SAY, HERE'S OUR TOTAL COST. HOW DO WE ALLOCATE THAT THROUGH? I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN GETTING THE CONVERSATIONS OF HOW HOW HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THIS. SO YOU HIT ME ON THAT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND TJ MIGHT KNOW BETTER THAN I DO, BUT I HONESTLY DON'T. OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COUNCILMEMBER BRADFORD, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE YOUR FAMILY HAS BUILT THIS CITY IN A LOT OF WAYS. AND, AND BUT I'M ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THE RETAIL, OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE I, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS OTHER STUFF, BUT THE COSTS OF DOING THAT IS WHERE THE REAL HIT TO IMPACT FEES ARE BECAUSE OF ROAD TRIPS AND BECAUSE OF AND I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE, AND WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS IN OUR COUNCIL BODY ABOUT WHAT'S INVENTORY, WHAT'S WHAT'S RETAIL SHOWROOM.
AND SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING I'M WELL, HERE'S HERE'S THE BOTTOM.
AND I DO BOTH COMMERCIAL AND SMALL I'M SORRY SMALL COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. AND YOU KNOW FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE THIS IS DOING ME A FAVOR I'VE HAD AND I'M NOT GOING TO I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUST GO WITH MY APPROXIMATES. I HAVE A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. I PAY 60 TO $90,000 IN IMPACT FEES. THAT BUILDING I, I OWN, I RAN OUT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IS GOING TO THE RENTER. THE RENTER HAS TO PUT THAT ON TOP OF THEIR PRODUCT, THEIR ICE CREAM CONE. AND IT'S AND IT'S GOING DIRECTLY TO, TO THE COST OF THE COST OF GOODS. SO BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S, IT'S HITTING THE, THE END USER. I WAS READING A QUICK FACT ABOUT THERE WAS A REALTOR.COM, AND I THOUGHT I HAD IT RIGHT THERE. IT PULLED UP A MAP OF THE ENTIRE STATES AND IT PRICED FROM LOWEST TO HIGHEST WAS FOUR CATEGORIES. I DON'T FALLS IS IN THE SECOND TO TOP TIER. IT IS TELLING ME THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 163,000 PER YEAR BY THE AVERAGE HOME, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS. AND I THINK THE AVERAGE INCOMES 6960 TO 70. SO YOU KNOW, WHY SKEWED THERE. 2020 BENEFITED US A LOT, BUT IT ALSO JUST HURT US A LOT TOO. SO AND AND THAT HAS DEFINITELY BEEN ONE OF THE AS THAT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE I THINK THE DELIBERATION IS BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WE I THINK WE'LL DISCUSS AS PART OF THE DELIBERATION. THANK YOU. IN 2019, FOR AROUND 600 WAS WELL OVER $1 MILLION. YES. AND OUR PROFITS HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH. THAT'S JUST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. HEY, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. COUNCIL CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M JUST HERE AS AN INTERESTED CITIZEN IN SUPPORT OF THE IMPACT FEES.
I'VE LIVED IN OTHER STATES WHERE I'VE PAID THEM, AND I SEE THAT HERE. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING BECAUSE AS A TAXPAYER, THE MONEY FROM THE GROWTH IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S PAID FOR, NOT SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE CITY AS FAR AS IT GOES. AND THEN FINALLY, IS THE 37 YEAR PROFESSIONAL IN PARKS AND REC. I REALLY AM GLAD TO SEE PARKS AND RECREATION. I KNOW POLICE, FIRE AND EMS ARE ESSENTIAL, BUT AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY GOES AND AS FAR AS DECISIONS WHERE TO LIVE, PARKS AND REC ARE IMPORTANT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. LYLE SWANK, LYLE. THAT'S ME. BUT I WAS JUST SIGNING IN BECAUSE THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME SIGNED IN TO GIVE A SPEECH. NOW GET UP THERE. GO ON, GO ON, GET UP THERE. YEAH. YOU CAN STILL COME UP. I'M JUST HERE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN MICHELLE MALLARD. I'M MICHELLE MALLARD, I'M A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS AND THE BONNEVILLE COUNTY COMMISSIONER. AND THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS JUST THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK FROM BOTH THE CITY EMPLOYEES AND VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE HERE WHO WORKED ON THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS REPRESENTS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF VOLUNTEER TIME AS WELL AS WORK
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PAID BY THE CITY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. IT'S CONSTANT, HEAVY WORK. I KNOW AS A COMMISSIONER TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH AND THE IMPACT OF THE GROWTH IN THE MILLION OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT OCCURS. SO MOSTLY I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE SUPPORT THESE IMPACT FEES AND THE AMENDMENTS. WE DO THINK THEY'RE NECESSARY AND ARE HAPPY THAT THE CITY IS IMPOSING THEM. I, AS A RESIDENT AND BOTH AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER AS WELL. HOWEVER, ONE CONCERN WE HAVE IS WE DON'T WANT THE IMPACT FEES FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO SPIKE SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE THEN GO TO THE COUNTY AND BUILD AND CAUSE US TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE IMPACT OF THAT ON COUNTY ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO JUST TO JUST TO BE MINDFUL THAT IF THE COMMERCIAL IMPACT FEES DO GET TOO FAR DIFFERENT FROM THE COUNTY IMPACT FEES THAT WE WE MAY BE HAVING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MALLARD.THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT. YES. YES, PLEASE. I WASN'T I WASN'T GOING TO STAND UP. I WAS VERY, VERY VAIN WITH CROSSROADS ENGINEERING 112 SOUTH MAIN IN FOR TWO THINGS. I JUST WANTED TO STATE WITH MY DEALING WITH DEVELOPERS AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. NOT THAT THIS IS GOOD OR BAD OR WHATEVER, BUT JUST IF YOU TAKE A AND I DIDN'T NOTICE THIS UNTIL I GOT HERE TODAY.
BUT DO YOU TAKE A PER SQUARE FOOT COST FROM FROM HERE YOU'RE UNDER 1000 PER SQUARE FOOT IS LESS. YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO DOWN THAT SCALE, YOUR ACTUAL PER SQUARE FOOT COST GOES DOWN. SO AGAIN, JUST JUST ADDED INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE YOUR. IF YOU TAKE YOUR 21, 77 DIVIDED BY 999FT■!S, YOUR $28 PER SQUARE FOOT. NOW, IF YOU GO DOWN TO YOUR 7425 DIVIDED BY 4999 HERE $1.48 PER SQUARE FOOT. SO EVEN THOUGH THE COST IS MORE, YOUR PER SQUARE FOOT COST IS LOWER. SO AGAIN, NOT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOOD OR BAD OR WHATEVER, JUST INFORMATION THERE. I THINK THE BIGGEST INFORMATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE, I THINK IS LIKE TJ SAYS, IS WHATEVER YOU DO, WHATEVER IS DONE, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED. WHETHER IT'S IVC, IRC, SQUARE FOOTAGE, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE THAT TRY TO. WORK THE SYSTEM AND AND I'VE DONE IT A LOT WORKING FOR DEVELOPERS AND AND AND THEN THEY'LL GET DONE FOR EXAMPLE UNDER 1000FT■S LIKE THEY SAID. OKAY. DOES THAT INCLUDE HALLWAYS? DOES IT INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, ALL? COMMUNAL SPACE? LIKE WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT INCLUDE? WHETHER YOU DO MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY? OKAY. IS IT BUILT TO THE IRC OR IVC OR IS IT BECAUSE EVEN WITHIN THE CITY, WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS, IS EVEN WITHIN THE CITY, PERHAPS, LET'S SAY FIRE AND AND BNC. IT'S NOT THE SAME. WHAT SINGLE FAMILY AND WHAT'S THEIR FAMILY? SO WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH AND I HEAR DEVELOPERS HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IS IT? IT CAN BE FLUID, HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT IT OR HOWEVER YOU MAKE IT, OR HOWEVER YOU CAN BEND IT. SO I WOULD TRY TO MAKE THAT AS CONCRETE AS POSSIBLE AND AS VERY CUT AND DRY. THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. AND I AGREE, IF IF THAT TAKES AN EXTRA MONTH, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, WHATEVER IT IS, I THINK IT'S TIME WELL SPENT TO WAIT AND AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. OH IT'S BEEN. COUNCILOR RADFORD HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU. IT'S FUN TO SEE A FAMILIAR FACE. THANKS FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. WE DEAL WITH THE ENGINEERS EVERY WEEK. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GROWN UP WITH VERY. WE'VE NEVER TALKED TO THEM. MICHELLE AND I AND YOU KNOW, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I'M FASCINATED BY WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT PREDICTABILITY. AND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM
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YOU IS, HEY, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS CLEANED UP AS MUCH. SO MY REAL QUESTION IS, WHEN'S THE SEASON WHERE THE PREDICTABILITY MATTERS FOR TIME FRAME? BECAUSE YOU SAID IF IT TAKES MORE TIME, I HEAR WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM DEVELOPERS AND WHAT THEY WANT IN PREDICTABILITY IN THE TIMEFRAME. BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME WE ROLLED THIS OUT, THERE WAS MORE PRESSURE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE IMPACT FEES. AND NOW AND SO EVERYONE HAD TO RACE TO THAT DATE. AND THAT WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT DATE. AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONTENTION ABOUT THAT DATE, IF WE RECALL. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE ABOUT THAT. CLIFF, I DON'T THINK. AND SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. YEAH, I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT WHEN WHEN THERE WASN'T AN IMPACT FEES AND IMPACT FEES, IT WAS, OH, OUR, OUR NUMBERS. AND WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR WAS THIS.AND NOW YOU'RE TAXING US ON TOP OF IT. NOW, I BELIEVE THAT IMPACT FEES ARE INCLUDED IN THEIR PROJECTIONS AND THERE'S NUMBERS AND THIS WILL JUST CHANGE. CHANGE IT SOME. SO THE THE BUDGET HAS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IT SOMEWHAT. I THINK IN MY OPINION THAT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE I THINK IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL TO GET IT DONE RIGHT RATHER THAN GET IT DONE SOON. IN MY OPINION. AND I THINK IT HERE. I JUST MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WE WERE TRYING TO KIND OF PUSH THIS ALONG IS BECAUSE THE BUILDING SEASON IS IS FAST APPROACHING.
I GUESS THE HEAVIER BUILDING SEASON IS FAST APPROACHING. SO THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION FOR US, WAS TO TRY TO GET IT DONE BY THE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET IT DONE BY JANUARY 1ST. THAT WAS TO ADD PREDICTABILITY TO THE BUILDERS, FOR THE BUILDERS BY JANUARY 1ST, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY COLLECTING IMPACT FEES. SO IT WAS TRIANGULAR AND WE'VE ALREADY SKATED PAST THAT THAT DATE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT ANYWAY. SO THE OTHER THING THAT KEEP IN MIND THAT I THINK GOES ALONG WITH HAVING A CUT AND DRY IS DO THESE PERTAIN TO LIKE WHEN WHEN DOES IT GO INTO EFFECT. LIKE IS IT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY SUBMITTED AND DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT, OR IS IT NEW APPLICATIONS? BECAUSE TO THAT POINT, IF PEOPLE ARE PLANNING, IF YOU'RE DOING A PUD OR PLANNING OR DOING ANYTHING, YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE UP FROM 8 TO 14 MONTHS TO TO GET SUBMITTAL TO AN APPROVED PROJECT. SO IF IF PEOPLE ARE JUST BARELY STARTING NOW, THIS DOESN'T MATTER IF THIS IS DONE IN THREE MONTHS OR EIGHT MONTHS, IF SOMEBODY'S APPLICATION IS IN AND IT'S GOING THROUGH REVIEWS, THAT MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. BUT I THINK, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR ON. IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT ON ALL NEW APPLICATIONS OR ALL NEW BUILDING PERMITS? AND WHEN THAT GETS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AGAIN, I THINK IT'S MORE JUST NOT THAT DEVELOPERS WELL, PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLICATIONS IN OBVIOUSLY WANT IT ON NEW APPLICATIONS, BUT AS LONG AS PEOPLE KNOW AND DEVELOPERS KNOW, AS LONG AS THE COMMUNICATION THERE AND IT'S AND IT'S CUT INTO YOUR EYE, THAT'S BETTER THAN NOT KNOWING. AND AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, IT'S WORTH TAKING THE EXTRA TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR AND THAT. OKAY. YES, PLEASE. I HAD A THOUGHT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DOTTING THE I'S BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT I ALSO WAS THINKING IRS HAS BEEN FIGHTING THAT BATTLE. LIKE, AT WHAT POINT WILL WE EVER GET IT IN YOUR MIND? PERFECT. BECAUSE LIKE, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THESE THINGS WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. IS THAT TRUE TO YOU, OR DO YOU THINK THERE'S A PLACE WHERE IT WOULD BE? I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER PERFECT. NO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S RECOMMENDED A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST LIKE I LOOK AT IT LIKE BUILDING A HOME. YOU KNOW, WE BUILT OUR HOME AND NOW IT'S LIKE CRAP. I DO THAT DIFFERENT, I DO THAT DIFFERENT, I DO THAT DIFFERENT.
AND YOU DO THAT ON THE NEXT ONE AND YOUR NEXT ONE. SO I THINK THAT EACH TIME YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THOSE LITTLE NUANCES AND THINGS THAT COULD BE CHANGED BETTER. SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EVER GOING TO GET IT PERFECT. I THINK YOU'LL GET BETTER AS IT GOES, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME OUT. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR CENTER, CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC AS WELL? OH.
OH YES. OKAY. YEAH, I KNOW BRANT DIXON. THANKS. I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS STUDY, JUST WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT, BUT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT CONCERNED ME. THE FIRST ONE WAS THE IMPACT FEE IS A ONE TIME FEE, SO IT SHOULD BE USED FOR ONE TIME. THINGS LIKE WIDENING THE ROAD. YOU ONLY DO THAT ONCE UNLESS YOU HAVE TO GO WITH THREE LANES TO TWO. SO THEN I SEE HOW LONG THE POLICE CAR IS GOING TO LAST. WELL THAT'S NOT A ONE TIME FEE. THAT'S AN
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ONGOING THING. ONGOING MAINTENANCE SHOULD BE PAID FOR BY ONGOING INCOME, WHICH IS PROPERTY TAXES. SO YOU'RE CONFUSING THINGS IN THIS STUDY AND YOU SHOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE.USE THE USE THE KISS PRINCIPLE. SO THAT ONE CONCERNED ME. AS SOON AS I SAW THINGS THAT WERE NOT ONE TIME EXPENSES BEING PAID FOR BY ONE TIME FEE. THE SECOND THING IS, AS WAS ALREADY MENTIONED, THE RATES HERE DON'T MAKE SENSE. 380% MORE POLICE, FIRE, PARKS AND REC FOR A 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOME THAN FOR A 1000 SQUARE FOOT HOME. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IT'S ONE FAMILY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 380% MORE POLICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ONE FAMILY. AND IN FACT, I'D ARGUE THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOME PROBABLY HAS A HALF ACRE LOT, BIG YARD, ALL SORTS OF PLAY TOYS THERE, AND THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN GO TO THE PARK. THEY PROBABLY USE THEIR OWN BACKYARD. SO THERE'S SOME THINGS ABOUT THAT THAT SEEM OUT OF KILTER. IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IS THE SAME FEE FOR EVERY DWELLING UNIT, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IF THAT DWELLING UNIT IS GOING TO BE A RETIRED COUPLE, OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE A FAMILY WITH SIX KIDS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. BUT IF YOU HAVE IT SIMPLE, THEN YOU DON'T GET INTO ALL THESE ARGUMENTS ABOUT, WELL, DO WE INCLUDE UNFINISHED UPSTAIRS? DO WE INCLUDE HALLWAYS IN MULTIFAMILY? DO WE INCLUDE, ETC. SIMPLIFY IT. GET IT DOWN TO JUST SOMETHING VERY, VERY SIMPLE. YOU GOT A DWELLING UNIT. THIS IS THE FEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. DIXON. MR. DIXON SERVED ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR A LOT OF. YES, 22, 22 YEARS. YES, 22 YEARS. SO GOOD COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR THE FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SORRY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. FRANK. WOULD YOU MIND WHEN YOU SAY DO YOU MEAN PER RESIDENCE OR PER BEDROOM? OH MY GOSH THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. BUT HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE IN 1000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE VERSUS A 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE? WE'RE JUST MOVING INTO A NEW HOUSE. WE HAVE THREE BEDROOMS ON THE MAIN FLOOR AND ONE THAT I HAD THAT WAS HALF THAT SIZE 40 YEARS AGO, HAD THREE BEDROOMS ON ONE FLOOR. SO I WOULD SAY PER DWELLING. AND IF IT'S AND IF IT'S MULTIFAMILY, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO STILL USE THE SAME SERVICES. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO PUT CARS ON THE ROAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET INTO ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHERE DO THE POLICE USUALLY GET CALLS TO AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE IDEA THAT IT'S 380% MORE FOR 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE THAN A 1000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, THAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND ONE THING I WOULD CAUTION YOU ON IS IF YOU LOOK AT, WELL, THESE OTHER CITIES, THIS IS WHAT THEY FOUND. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING AND HOW MANY PARKING UNITS ARE NEEDED. AND THEY BROUGHT IN THESE THINGS FROM MAJOR CITIES. AND THEY SAID, WELL, THIS IS HOW MUCH THEY REQUIRE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO. AND THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO IT. THE FIRST ONE WAS HOW MANY UNITS? AND MY COMMENT WAS, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A MAJOR CITY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM? AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS THE SIZE OF THE PARKING SPOTS. HOW MANY TYPICAL IDAHO FALLS? CREWCAB DUAL WIELD VEHICLES ARE GOING TO FIT INTO THOSE PARKING SPOTS THAT THE MAJOR CITY HERE, SO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL WHEN YOU HAVE SOME CONSULTANT SAYING, WELL, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT FROM THESE OTHER PLACES. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT IT'S LIKE HERE.
THANK YOU, MR. DIXON. WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE, YES. AND THEN AUSTIN BLACK IS ALSO HERE.
WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY. AUSTIN AUSTIN BLACK, 4008 NORTH LIVINGSTON AVENUE. AND CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER FOR THE COUNTY AND FORMER FORMER PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I SPENT MANY OF EVENINGS TILL THREE IN THE MORNING AT THESE MEETINGS AND I KNOW I REALLY WE ARE NOT STAYING UNTIL AUSTIN. YOU HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIMER STARTING RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANTED TO EXPOUND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT MICHELLE'S SHARED ON THE COMMERCIAL IMPACT FEES AND HOW THAT'S IMPACTED THE COUNTY.
MANY OF YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, RC WILLEY WAS GOING TO COME IN AND BUILD A STORE, WHICH THEY STILL HAVE YET TO BUILD, AND HOPEFULLY IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS AT SOME POINT. BUT IN THOSE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE SHORTLY AFTER THE CITY HAD PASSED THEIR INITIAL IMPACT FEES, AND I WAS JUST RUNNING THE NUMBERS AS I WAS SITTING HERE TONIGHT ON THEIR
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BUILDING, WHICH WAS ABOUT 130,000FT■S OF RETAIL, IS WHAT T WOULD BE CONSIDERED. SO BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY $640,000 IN IMPACT FEES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT BUILDING. WE WENT THROUGH A VERY SIMILAR THING WITH THE AMAZON FACILITY THAT'S LOCATED BACK BEHIND THERE. IT JUST BECOMES THE I MEAN, AS BONNEVILLE COUNTY IS A GREAT PLACE, BUT WE WE AREN'T THE PLACE TO BE TAKING THOSE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.AND WHEN IT COSTS THAT MUCH BEFORE ANYTHING TO DO IT IN THE CITY, IT IMMEDIATELY DRIVES THOSE COMPETITORS TO THE COUNTY, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO ANNEX, BECAUSE THE FEES JUST AREN'T CREATED EQUAL. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE DIRECT ANSWER TO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO REALLY LET YOU KNOW, IN A PRACTICAL DAY TO DAY SCENARIO, BEING THE ZONING DIRECTOR, I SAW THAT WITH BOTH BIG AND SMALL BUILDINGS, PEOPLE WOULD COME TO ME AND SAY, WHAT CAN I DO TO GET THESE BUILDINGS BUILT BEFORE I HAVE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PAY THE IMPACT FEES. AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL FEES, AND IT DOES IMPACT A LITTLE BIT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AS WELL. SO I JUST INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES FOR THE COUNCIL AND FOR THE PEOPLE ATTENDING THE PUBLIC TONIGHT. SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON.
AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN A WELCOME CONVERSATION. RIGHT. BUT IS YOUR FEAR OF THAT, THAT YOU THAT THEN IF THEY DON'T PAY THE $600,000, THEN YOU'RE ON THE HOOK TO BUILD THOSE ROADS IN THE COUNTY. LIKE WHAT'S YOUR FEAR REALLY, OF THAT BEING PUSHED TO THAT? I, I MEAN, THE DEVELOPER REGARDLESS IS GOING TO BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COUNTY, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO REQUIRE THEM TO IMPROVE THE ROADS, TO BRING THE NECESSARY UTILITIES, WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO. BUT MOST TIMES, EVEN IN THOSE SCENARIOS, THAT'S BEEN A LOT CHEAPER THAN THE $640,000 IMPACT FEE. RC WILLEY IS AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS STILL ABOUT HALF TO DO THAT IN THE COUNTY. DID YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP? CORRECT. CAN I I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR YOU, BUT I AM GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO THAT. THAT IS HAS BEEN ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT ONCE A DEVELOPER PUTS THE MONEY IN FOR A FIRE, WELL, FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY, SO THEY DON'T HAVE, THEN THEY WILL NEVER COME INTO THE CITY, RIGHT? THEY WILL BUILD, THEY WILL BUILD THE FIRE WELL, AND THEY ARE COMMITTED BECAUSE THE COST OF THE FIRE WELL IS SO EXPENSIVE THAT THEN THE CITY JUST BECOMES SURROUNDED BY COUNTY AND OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH. WE JUST TAKE THE IMPACT BUT DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE GROWTH ASSOCIATED WITH IT. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YES. I MEAN, ONE DENIED ANNEXATION THAT ALLOWS UTILITIES TO BE BUILT IN THE COUNTY, SUCH AS A FIRE. WELL, AND IF THEY CAN HOOK IN EASTERN IDAHO REGIONAL SEWER DISTRICT IS ESSENTIALLY A STOP LOSS OR A STOP BLOCK TO THE CITY BECAUSE THAT FIREWALL CAN SERVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES, THE EARTH-SUN LINE CAN SERVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. SO REALLY MY GOAL IS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WAS ALWAYS TO TRY TO MOVE THAT GROWTH MORE INTO THE CITY LIMITS. THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT BELONGS. BUT I THINK AND I BROUGHT THIS UP THE VERY FIRST TIME THESE IMPACT FEES WERE DISCUSSED IN 2022. I THINK THAT IT PRESENTS SOME ROADBLOCKS WITHOUT A PLAN FROM THE TWO JURISDICTIONS, JURISDICTIONS WORKING TOGETHER. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THIS CONCLUDES THE HEARING. UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE OKAY. THIS WILL CONCLUDE THE HEARING PORTION. OH WAIT A MINUTE, COUNSELOR WADE, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
COUNSELOR DINGMAN DID HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT. THANK YOU. ARE WE STILL. WE ARE STILL OPEN. THE HEARING IS STILL OPEN. OKAY. ZACH, I CAN ASK HIM QUESTIONS. STILL CORRECT. EVEN THOUGH HE'S STOPPED. OKAY. SO, TJ, CAN I CALL YOU TJ? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. TJ HAD SOME COMMENTS REGARDING CLIMATE CONTROLLED SPACE AND HOW IT'S CALCULATED IN THE A THOUSAND AND UNDER SQUARE FOOTAGE. CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT? YOU MEAN MY INTERPRETATION THAT WHAT I DID. YEAH. SO IT IT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A THEORETICAL EXERCISE. HE WAS ASKING A VERY GOOD QUESTION. SO WHEN HE APPROACHED ME, WE HOW WE CALCULATE THAT IS HE WAS EXACTLY CORRECT. I COUNSELED WITH OTHER STAFF AS WELL TO SAY, WOULD WE INCLUDE THAT IN THIS SITUATION. AND THE DIRECTION THAT I WAS GIVING THIS? NO, WE WOULDN'T IN THAT SITUATION. SO WE WOULD JUST CALCULATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF HABITABLE SPACE. HOW THAT'S DEFINED IS VERY AMBIGUOUS. I'LL BE HONEST CURRENTLY. SO I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE DOTTING THE I'S AND CROSSING THE T'S. THAT MAKES IT VERY HARD ON MY SIDE
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TO INTERPRET, BECAUSE I GET CHALLENGED ON THESE THINGS AND MY INTERPRETATION OF THEM. SO IN THAT SENSE WE HAD DRAFTED. SO THIS IS KICKING AHEAD TO WHAT AT THE TIME, OUR ATTORNEY, KIRKHAM, HOW HE HAD DEFINED IT WAS BASICALLY HABITABLE SPACE WOULD BE ANYTHING WITH ELECTRICAL AND HVAC SYSTEMS IN THEM. SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE DEFINING THEM. DOES A HALLWAY INCLUDE THAT? YES, IT COULD, BUT FOR THIS IDEA THAT THAT TJ PRESENTED TO YOU, THAT'S HOW MY STAFF AND OTHER DIRECTORS, I DID CONSULT OTHER DIRECTORS AS WELL. AND THAT WAS WHAT WE FELT WOULD BE GOOD INTERPRETATION WAS AWAY FROM THAT. THANK YOU. AND IS COLIN STILL ON THE LINE? YES. OKAY. COLIN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR FOR YOU AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE ME BACK THREE YEARS. SO PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND. HELP ME MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THIS RIGHT IN MY HEAD. IT FEELS LIKE THREE YEARS AGO WE SAID WE COULD NOT REDUCE ANY ONE CATEGORY. WE HAD TO REDUCE ALL CATEGORIES TO 75% OR 50% THAT WE COULDN'T JUST TAKE COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL OR INDUSTRIAL AND AND LEAVE RESIDENTIAL OR JUST REDUCE RESIDENTIAL, THAT IT HAD TO BE APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD. AM I REMEMBERING THAT CONVERSATION CORRECTLY? CORRECT. YEAH, YEAH.YOU CAN NOT TO MAKE IT CONFUSING. YOU CAN REDUCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TYPES IT YOU KNOW AND SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN 2122 IS YOU KNOW YOU CAN REDUCE FROM THE MAXIMUM FOR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. BUT THAT REDUCTION HAS TO BE THE SAME FOR ALL LAND USES, ALL DEVELOPMENT TYPES ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT FIGURE THERE. SO YOU HAVE TO TREAT ALL DEVELOPMENT THE SAME, WHICH I THINK IS A LOT OF WHY WE ENDED UP AT 75%, BECAUSE WE IT IT FELT ACROSS THE BOARD WE WENT TO 75% BECAUSE WE DID FEEL LIKE CHARGING. THE MAXIMUM AT THE TIME WAS IT WAS A STEEP INCREASE FOR HAVING NO DEVELOPMENT FEES, NEVER COLLECTING THEM. BUT IT HAS TO BE APPLIED. WE CAN'T COME IN AND AND SAY WE NEED TO COMPETE COMMERCIALLY WITH BONNEVILLE COUNTY AND NOT APPLY THAT SAME PERCENTAGE ACROSS THE ACROSS ALL OF THE TABLES, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR COLIN. COLIN. TWO QUESTIONS, ONE TIME FEE, ONE TIME PROJECT FROM MR. DIXON'S. AN INTERESTING POINT. CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHY THOSE NUMBERS ARE ONE? BECAUSE THEY'RE YOU. WHAT YOU'VE TRIED TO DO WITH THE NUMBERS IS TRY TO MAKE APPLES TO APPLES. RIGHT? AND YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE AVERAGE AND PUT IT TO USE. CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN WHY THESE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH? BECAUSE I THINK AFTER THE TESTIMONY, THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION. SORRY, JUST EXACTLY THE QUESTION WAS AROUND ONE TIME. I GUESS MAYBE REWORD THAT QUESTION. YEAH. SO WHAT I'M ■SAYING IS YOU HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TESTIFY THAT IT WAS THE COST OF PER SQUARE FOOT DOESN'T EQUATE, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT THE 3.8 IS THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT LIVES IN A MULTIFAMILY. RIGHT.
OR AND ONE AND APARTMENTS ARE DIFFERENT NUMBER OF AVERAGE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THEM. IS THAT WHAT THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON IN TERMS OF THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE ACROSS THE DIFFERENT SIZES OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? YES. YEAH. A BIT MORE CONTEXT IN THE MATH THAT WAS DONE IN THE AUDIENCE. THERE IS YOU LOOK, GOSH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT IS. SOMEWHERE IN THE APPENDIX OF OF OUR REPORT IS WE LOOK AT LOCAL CENSUS DATA, LOCAL CONSTRUCTION DATA. AND USING THAT INFORMATION WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT SIZED HOMES. AND WE PLOT THIS GRAPH AND IT ACTUALLY BECOMES THIS LOGARITHMIC GRAPH. RIGHT.
AND SO THAT'S A BIG WORD FOR THIS LATE AT NIGHT. BUT IT'S IT'S A IT'S NOT LINEAR. IT BASICALLY TAPERS OFF. RIGHT. IT PLATEAUS. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING ACTUALLY WHEN YOU COMPARE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME TO THE FINAL FEE AMOUNT, THAT RATIO, THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT GETTING SMALLER AS OPPOSED TO GET BIGGER BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING UP AT THE SAME RATE. IT'S ACTUALLY TAPERING OFF. IT GOES HIGHER IN NUMBERS. AND WHEN YOU SAY LOCAL AND WHEN YOU SAY LOCAL CENSUS DATA, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IDAHO FALLS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS THE BEDROOM THING WAS FASCINATING TO ME THAT. SO SPEAK TO THAT NATIONWIDE. IS IT EVER LIKE BEDROOMS IS KIND OF
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INTERESTING IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE VERSUS JUST. YEAH. EXCUSE ME. SORRY. WE WERE DOING IMPACT FEES BY THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND STILL MAYBE 8 OR 10 YEARS AGO BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S THERE'S SORT OF A LOOPHOLE THAT WAS FOUND WHEN YOU ASSESSED BY BEDROOMS. BECAUSE WHAT WHAT DETERMINES A BEDROOM AND IF AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T PUT A DOOR ON A BEDROOM, IT JUST BECOMES LIVING SPACE. IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T BECOME A BEDROOM. AND SO THAT THREE BEDROOM NOW BECOMES A TWO BEDROOM WITH A DEAD. AND SO NOW THAT BECAME A LITTLE COLD THERE. SO WE WENT TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME JUST TO GET AROUND THAT.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE HEARING AND I WILL LOOK TO COUNCILOR RADFORD TO LEAD US OFF IN DISCUSSION. AND COUNCILOR LARSON AS WELL. YEAH, I, I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT I WANT TO GET A SENSE FROM THE COUNCIL IS WHAT IS YOUR TAKEAWAYS FROM THE HEARING? I MEAN, IF WHAT TJ SAID AND WHAT THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT AND WE NEED TO DELIBERATE ON THAT. AND SO I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT WHAT THEY HEARD THAT RESONATED.
AND PARTICULARLY THE BASEMENT CONVERSATION IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK. I'LL CUT TO THE QUICK, YES, I'M GLAD WE HAD. THIS HEARING IS TREMENDOUS. IT IS OPENED MY MIND TO A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, AND I'M NOT READY TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT OR ACCEPT THE STUDY. I THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE DO WHEN WE TABLE IT IN TERMS OF A TIME FRAME. BUT FOR ME, I WILL TABLE THIS RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU WANT TO, WE COULD LAY OUT. WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS TOPIC, THIS TOPIC, THIS TOPIC. BUT WE COULD ALSO BRING THOSE UP IN WORK SESSIONS. YES, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE IS TO TABLE AS WELL AND TO DISCUSS WHAT WE WOULD ASK THE IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT, AS WELL AS WHATEVER ELSE THEY WANT TO, BUT HAVE SOME SOME REAL DIRECTION WITH, WITH THAT AS WELL. AND THEN I WOULD JUST SAY THAT FOR THE FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THESE HEARINGS EARLIER, LIKE IN THAT TIME FRAME WE HAD ON THE SLIDE. RIGHT. WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THIS DURING THE SUMMER AT THE SAME TIME, TOO. SO WE COULD HAVE HAD SOME OF THIS GOING. AND AS A REMINDER TO COUNCIL, I AM NOT THE TIE BREAK VOTE. I AM A TRUE VOTE. SO IT DIES ON A TIE. YES. SO THAT'S UNUSUAL.
USUALLY WE HAVE A TIE BREAK VOTE, BUT TONIGHT WE DID COME AT A33. IT WOULD DIE ON THE TIE.
SO ANYWAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MAKE A I. I AGREE THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT.
EXERCISE. YEAH I MEAN IT'S IT'S BEEN REALLY ENLIGHTENING AND I THINK THE ISSUES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, ONE IS GOING BACK TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I THINK TO GIVE THEM TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT AND COME BACK WITH WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS. I THINK THE BASEMENT THING IS A IS A KEY ISSUE. I THINK THE POINT THAT THE THAT THE ENGINEER SAID ABOUT IT'S BETTER TO GET IT RIGHT, TO GET IT QUICK. SO I THINK WE NEED TO DEVOTE THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. AND LOOK THERE. I HAVE A COUPLE. YEAH. AND I'M, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT I KNOW WE STARTED EARLY TO GET THIS STUDY DONE. WE WERE A YEAR AHEAD AT LEAST. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT TIME. WHAT'S THE DATE THAT THIS THE ORIGINAL ONE HAS TO BE DONE BY 2027. YEAH, 2027. IT'S GOOD TILL I BELIEVE IT'S JUNE 2027. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S THE DATE I NEED TO KNOW. I AGREE WITH YOU.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR PRIME TIME WITH THIS. WITH THIS. TJ'S TESTIMONY FOR ME WAS WAS ENLIGHTENING THAT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT. THEY GOT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEEDED. I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR ME. AND THAT WAS DO WE DO WE HAVE TO TABLE IT WITH A DATE? CERTAIN? NO, BUT WE DO. WE HAVE TIME THOUGH. WE HAVE TIME. BUT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I WILL SAY WE DO HAVE THE
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CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. IT CAN'T. THERE IS A THERE IS MORE OF A TIMELINE THAN JUST WHAT THE OLD ONE EXPIRES. RIGHT? THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN HAS TO BE UPDATED AT A. IT HAS TO BE VALID. YES. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE COLLECTING AND SO THEN WE WE WOULD HAVE A REDUCTION. THE STUDY WILL REMAIN IF WE LEAVE THE STUDY ONLINE TOO LONG. IT WILL NOT BE VALID AS A STUDY BECAUSE WE WILL BE COLLECTING MORE IMPACT FEES. SO THE REDUCTION DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE THE STUDY ITSELF, WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE IT FOR AN HOUR. IT'S ALREADY IT'S ALREADY AGING. IT'S AGING RIGHT NOW. SO WE DO WANT TO KEEP IT TIMELY. BUT I THINK THE QUESTIONS STILL NEED ANSWERED. I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH BEFORE WE CAN GET THE ANSWERS, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A YEAR AND A HALF. LIKE ALL THINGS IN LIFE. THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY, RIGHT? CORRECT.BECAUSE THIS HURTS US IF WE DON'T GET THIS DONE SOONER. YES. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE LESS OPTIONS. AND WHAT I WONDERED IS, IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO RELATIVELY QUICKLY, LIKE WITHIN A WEEK? LIKE WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE IT? I DON'T KNOW, I'M GUESSING THAT WE COULD MAKE A DECISION ON POLICE CARS PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BREAK THIS UP INTO SECTIONS OF. LET'S HAVE A THOROUGH DISCUSSION OF THIS AND HEAR THE REASONING FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, RATHER THAN JUST A DECISION. I INTERESTING TO HEAR THE REASONING START TO HEAR THE REASONING, BUT I THINK THERE'S MORE TO IT. BUT SOME OF THESE I THINK WE MIGHT BE CLOSE TO MAKING A DECISION ALREADY, BUT.
WELL, BUT IF WE IF WE GIVE IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE COMMISSION TO REVIEW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM A LITTLE TIME. YEAH. I DON'T THINK ALL OF IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I THINK I THINK ACTUALLY WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT OF A DIRECT COMMUNICATION ON OUR REASONING BECAME SOME THINGS, BUT. I'M WONDERING HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SEASON. CAN WE JUST SAY, WHAT IF WE HAD TO WAIT TILL OCTOBER 1ST? TO TO IMPLEMENT? IN OTHER WORDS, ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION SEASON WITHOUT IT? I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED A DATE. CERTAIN, I AGREE, BUT I WONDER HOW. BUT BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORCE IT AS WELL UNTIL WE ARE READY. YEAH. YES, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE. I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO THE IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'M INTERESTED IN THE COMMERCIAL COMPARISON IN THE COUNTY. I'M INTERESTED IN THE POLICE CARS CONVERSATION AS WELL THE BASEMENT AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE I DO SEE IF THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS WILLING TO AND AND DOES LIKE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT IF IF THERE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY TOOK OUT OR IF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE REALLY DOES WANT IT OUT, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD BE A PLACE TO HOLD IT.
OTHER THAN HAVING A SIDE POLICY SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S LIKE THIS IS HOW YOU APPLY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAIVERS THROUGH THE CITY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT 30%, BUT I WOULD. I LIKE SEEING THINGS COUCHED IN ONE LOCATION RATHER THAN SOME OBSCURE POLICY SITTING OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THAT, FOR ME, IS SOMETHING ELSE TO HAVE A TRUE DELIBERATION FROM THE IMPACT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON WHERE THAT SITS. SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR ISSUES FOR THEM, AS WELL AS THEN THE COMMERCIAL WITH THE COUNTY. BUT I HAVE TO BE I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE HONEST THAT IT IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YES. THIS IS WHERE THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE AND THIS IS WHERE THE PUCK IS GOING TO STOP. I AGREE, I WOULD JUST LOOK FOR THE ANALYSIS. YEAH, I WANT TO SEE THE REASONING WHY THIS OR WHY THAT. AND I DO KNOW FROM SITTING IN ON SOME OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS WE HAD NO ENFORCEMENT WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ACTUALLY STAYED THAT WAY, AND THAT REASONING MADE SO MUCH SENSE TO ME. I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED A RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM TO SAY THAT'S A PROBLEM. WELL, IT'S NOT AS MUCH. THIS MAYBE GETS OFF THE BUT, YOU KNOW, PART OF MY WORLD IS THAT WORLD OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ENSURES THAT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. THERE IS ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. I LIVE IT EVERY DAY. AND SO IT'S NOT THE CITY'S ONLY THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY REGULATORY BODY. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS DEPENDING ON FOR ENFORCEMENT UNTIL I HEARD THE DISCUSSION. SO I'M CURIOUS TJ DOES THE DOES THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE DEAL ONLY WITH
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RESIDENTIAL OR DO YOU GET INTO THE COMMERCIAL WORLD AS WELL? I MEAN, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE COMMERCIAL, WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE, BUT IT IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS THE RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. BUT BUT I, I HAVE, I HAVE A REAL INTEREST IN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RC WILLEY PAYING, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER WAS, BUT IT WAS REALLY BIG 600,000, YOU KNOW.BUT I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. SO OKAY. WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE COUNCILOR.
REALLY. I'M A PATIENT WAITER SO. MY COMMENTS MAY BE A LITTLE MORE BROADER IN THE SENSE OF TAKING IN EVERYTHING THAT IS WITHIN OUR PACKET, WITHIN THE PUBLIC RECORD. SO YOU'VE GOT P AND Z, YOU'VE GOT IMPACT FEE COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, I FEEL AT MOMENTS READING THE TESTIMONY THAT THE MISSION AND GOAL BETWEEN THE CITY AND ITS PARTNERS HAS BEEN IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT INCONSISTENT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT OUR GOAL HAS NEVER BEEN TO GET THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF FEES APPROVED AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IF THAT WERE TRUE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED A STUDY 5% ALLOCATION ON THE MAJORITY OF THE FEES LAST TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO BRIDGE THE COMMUNICATION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PART OF OUR PARTNERS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY HOW I SEE THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A PARTNER IN THIS CONVERSATION, RIGHT? THAT THAT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ALL PARTNERS ARE SORT OF IN AGREEMENT THAT THE GOAL IS FOR DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, TO PAY FOR THE IMPACTS OF GROWTH AS THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR FOR PROFIT ENTERPRISES INTO THE CITY INSTEAD OF TAXPAYERS. RIGHT. AND THAT BUT THE GOAL IS THAT THIS IS DONE AS FAIRLY AS POSSIBLE. I WILL SAY, IN MAYBE, PERHAPS DEFENSE OF STAFF, THAT THERE'S SO MANY MOVING PARTS THAT IT'S NOT LIKE ANY THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT STAFF MEMBERS HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS PUSHED ON THE AGENDA AND, AND TRYING TO FORCE THESE TIMELINES, LIKE EVERYONE'S DOING THE BEST THAT THEY CAN WITH THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, NONE OF US ARE IN CHARGE OF THAT. NONE OF US GET MADE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT WHEN THIS GOT HERE TODAY. SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S DOING THE BEST THAT THEY CAN. SO I JUST I FEEL LIKE THAT SORT OF HAS TO BE SAID BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH DONE. AND IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH TRYING TO PUSH ANYTHING THROUGH. RIGHT. I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS, STILL, ABOUT THE ASSUMPTION MADE IN THE IMPACT FEE STUDY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT UNFINISHED BASEMENTS HAVE IMPACTS. RIGHT. IT'S SORT OF ASSUMES THE WAY THAT WE'RE CALCULATING THIS RIGHT NOW, THAT THEY JUST HAVE IMPACTS. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE THIS BASED ON EVERY SINGLE PERSONAL STORY. RIGHT? THAT MY GRANDMA'S GOT A BASEMENT THAT IS EMPTY AND YOUR GRANDMA'S GOT A BASEMENT THAT'S GOT FIVE PEOPLE LIVING IN IT. RIGHT. LIKE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE GUYS. RIGHT. SO I THINK, THOUGH, THAT WE DO ASSUME THAT PEOPLE PEOPLE CREATE IMPACTS, RIGHT. SO I DO THINK THAT IT'S AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION THAT WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T HAD AS THOROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, WE GAVE SOME COMMENTS TO STAFF AND MADE SOME DIRECTION.
AND AND, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES WE DO END UP IN THIS ROOM ON A THURSDAY NIGHT TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION. AND SOMETIMES WE CAN, SOMETIMES WE CAN'T. RIGHT. AND I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY PERHAPS THERE, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING SOME RISKS, TAKING SOME RISKS AND MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS BASED UPON HOW THE SPACE WILL IMPACT. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO IF WE DON'T INCLUDE UNFINISHED BASEMENTS, WE DO ACCEPT THE RISK THAT WE MAY NOT COLLECT THOSE FEES. RIGHT. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T MAKE THIS PROCESS SO COMPLICATED THAT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO OUR RESIDENTS. IT'S AND IT'S BURDENSOME TO STAFF. SO WE MIGHT WE'RE NOT PROBABLY GOING TO COME TO A SOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW CLIMATE CONTROLLED SPACE IS CALCULATED AND AND THAT UNFINISHED BASEMENTS AND, AND SLOW THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT AFTER TONIGHT. AND I WOULD ADD, IF YOU'RE STILL ON, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR TISCHLER BICE KIND OF CONVERSATION AS WE GO FORWARD ABOUT HOW HOW FAR DO YOU GET TO GET TO PERFECTION IN TERMS OF YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET ALL THE I'S AND ALL THE T'S, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR SECOND SHOT AT IT. SO THIS SHOULD BE THE BIGGEST CHANGE. LIKE PROBABLY RIGHT. LIKE IT'S GOING TO LEARN A LOT FROM HERE. AND SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. THIS THIS VERSION IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. ONE THING THAT WE HEARD FROM WADE IN A SEPARATE MEETING FOR JUST MEAN WADE, WAS THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT PERMITTING IS SOMETHING I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A PERFECT CONVERSATION ABOUT IN TERMS OF IT CAME UP IN ANOTHER TESTIMONY THAT IF YOU DO TRY TO SELL FROM SKIDMORE, THAT THERE IS TIMES WHERE IT HAS STOPPED CELLS. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT FOR JUST A SECOND? CAN WE, IN DELIBERATION. OKAY, OKAY. ANYWAY, THERE IS WHAT HE TOLD ME WAS THAT WE OFTEN HAVE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T SELL THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PERMIT THAT WAS REQUIRED, BUT IT WASN'T POOLED. AND SO NOW WHEN THEY GO TO SELL IT, THEY GO AND FIND NEW
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ELECTRICAL AND IT'S NOT SAFE. AND THAT HOUSE CAN'T SELL UNTIL THAT'S INSPECTED AND PERMITS PAID FOR AND BACKWARDS. SO WE DO HAVE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS TO MAKE SURE PERMITS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. AND WE SHOULDN'T JUST ASSUME PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING THEM, OR ELSE WE SHOULDN'T BE CHARGING THE PERMITS. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A NEXUS BETWEEN THESE THINGS, RIGHT? SO WE EITHER NEED TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO PERMITS AND PEOPLE HAVE TO DO IT OR, OR OR NOT. WE CAN'T TAKE THIS, THIS, THIS KIND OF ASSUMPTION IN MY MIND IS DANGEROUS TO SAY, WELL, PEOPLE MIGHT NOT DO IT. THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS INTERESTED TO HEAR. THAT WAS NEW INFORMATION TO ME. LET ME CIRCLE BACK TO MICHELLE'S COMMENT ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE.HAD THEY WERE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS, I THINK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT IS A LIVING DOCUMENT AND THEY FORCE US TO MAKE IT A LIVING DOCUMENT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE WE'RE REDOING WHAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE AND LEARNING FROM OUR PREVIOUS MISTAKES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT WE PASS WITH THIS ITERATION CAN ALWAYS BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE, IT'S IT'S AND THE MARKET CHANGES TOO. SO I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY MOVING PARTS TO THIS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEVER LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE PERFECT. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THE TABLE AND THEN HAVE PEOPLE WORK ON THINGS. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE FIRST IMPACT FEE STUDY DID SAY SOMETHING LIKE, THERE WERE GOING TO BE 400 MULTIFAMILY UNITS BUILT IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. THAT WAS 2021 WAS FOR MAYOR PRO TEM. CAN I MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT THOUGH? SO IN THE IN IN THE IN THE RECORD THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS. WE DIDN'T HEAR A TON ABOUT THIS THIS EVENING, BUT ABOUT THE LOCATIONS OF SOME OF THE PARKS AND REC IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CIP. AND I THINK I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE CITY WERE TO BUILD A LARGE INDOOR RECREATIONAL FACILITY WITH AN INDOOR WATER PARK AND A WALKING TRACK AND A THEATER. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. IF IT'S AT SANDY DOWNS, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO GO. THE NARRATIVE THAT RESIDENTS ARE ONLY USING PARK SERVICES LOCATED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL SENSE TO ME. ASK ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WENT TO AMAN FOR YEARS FOR THEIR SPLASH PAD, RIGHT? THAT CAME AND TESTIFIED AND HAD NO PROBLEMS DRIVING 15 MINUTES ACROSS TOWN. MANY OF YOU GUYS ARE SOCCER FAMILIES. WHEN MY WHEN MY SON PLAYED SOCCER, I DROVE TO THE EDGE OF TOWN ON THE WEST SIDE AND I LIVE IN CENTRAL FALLS. FOR MOST OF HIS GAMES WHEN HE PLAYED INDOOR, I DROVE TO AMAN. RIGHT? WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF USERS OF THE AQUATIC CENTER DON'T LIVE NEAR THE POOL, SO PROPERTY IS EXPENSIVE, IT'S LIMITED, AND THE CITY IS GOING TO DO ITS BEST TO MAXIMIZE ITS RESOURCES TO RESPECT TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
AND I JUST WHOLLY REJECT THE IDEA THAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT. YEAH, I WOULD I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP, COUNCILOR, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE THAT I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU ON, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT CONSIDERED NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS ANYMORE.
WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS COMMUNITY PARKS. AND SO COMMUNITY PARKS ARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY WILL INCLUDE THE AMENITIES OF A LOT OF PARKING. I MEAN, WE RAN INTO THAT AT COMMUNITY PARK WITH THE FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS. IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE CAN'T PERMIT THEM TO COME HERE AND THEN CALL THE POLICE ON THEM TO TICKET THEM, RIGHT? LIKE RIGHT. LIKE WE. SO COMMUNITY PARKS IS WHAT THESE IMPACT FEES ARE PAYING FOR COMMUNITY AND CIVIC PARKS. AND SO I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT REGIONAL PARKS ARE THE WAY TO GO. AND I DO THINK THAT THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS WHO BUILD POCKET PARKS AND BASKETBALL COURTS DO HELP OFFSET THE IMPACT OF OTHER RECREATIONAL, YOU KNOW, LOCATIONS IN THE CITY. IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK WE ALL SUPPORT THAT. BUT I, I ALSO BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IN THEIR CIP AND JUST THE EVERYDAY WAY THAT THEY FUNCTION, ARE LOOKING FOR THOSE LOCATIONS OF THOSE COMMUNITY PARKS AND THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, AND THEY'RE DOING THE ABSOLUTE BEST THEY CAN WITH FINITE SPACE AND FINITE RESOURCES. SO AMEN. AND ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO JUST GET ON THE RECORD FOR THE GROUP, BECAUSE IT OCCURRED TO ME REALLY CLEARLY TONIGHT THAT THE MORE EXPERTISE LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERS AND AND THE AUSTIN BLACKS OF THE WORLD LIKE AND BRANT LIKE, JUST SOMETIMES I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM. AND SO LIKE THE ENGINEERS THAT WE SEE EVERY WEEK HERE, WE SHOULD HAVE I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HEARD FROM THEM EARLIER IN THIS PROCESS AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT LIVE THESE CODES EVERY DAY. AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING INTEREST TO ME TO TO HEAR FROM THEM. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ARE ON THE IMPACT ADVISORY. THERE ARE SOME I KNOW, SO, BUT THAT WAS CLEAR TO ME. ONE FINAL COMMENT AND THEN I'M READY FOR A MOTION, IS THAT BRET HOBBS GAVE A COMMENT IN OUR THE PLANNING AND ZONING TALKING ABOUT HOA'S. IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN NOT NOT IN THIS STUDY, BUT AS PART OF THAT COMMENT IS
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THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THAT WE HAVE A STANDARD SO THAT WE COULD TAKE THE CITY CAN TAKE THE PARK, WHICH PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE A RETENTION POND, BUT WHAT IS THE STANDARD THAT THE CITY HAS IN ORDER TO CALL IT A PARK AND BE WILLING TO MAINTAIN THAT PARK? I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE BIG PICTURE OF NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS REGIONAL PARK. I DO THINK THAT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO BE, TO HAVE CLARITY AROUND AS WELL IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY CAN TRADE ON THAT. YEAH. WELL, NOT NOT AS A COMMUNITY PARK. THEY CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. BUT BUT AS HE DID MAKE THE COMMENT THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING PUDS AND WE ARE ACCEPTING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NO LONGER ACCEPTING RETENTION PONDS AS PARKS. SO WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE SO THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE AN HOA? THAT IS JUST ONE. IT'S A IT'S A PIECE OF THAT TESTIMONY. SO OKAY, IF WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION TO MOVE, THERE'S ONE MORE COUNCILMEMBER. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THINKING THINGS THROUGH THAT CAME UP TONIGHT, PARTICULARLY, THAT OPENED MY MIND. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR. FIRE DEPARTMENT. I'M NOT I'M NOT THAT GOOD. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE SERVICE AREA DEFINITION AS ONE CITY THAT I AGREE THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE. THIS STUFF ABOUT HOW TO FIGURE OUT SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WHATEVER THAT'S ON THE TABLE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ON THE TABLE, THE CARDS ON THE TABLE. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS WOULD NOT GO BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THE ONLY TESTIMONY THAT CAME THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING WAS THE ADOPTION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT WOULD DEPEND ON IF IF THE CHANGES IN THAT, IF THERE'S FUTURE CHANGES THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS THE THIS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK TO. BUT JUST THAT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, NOT TO THE STUDY OR THE ORDINANCE THERE. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DEALT WITH, CORRECT. THEY JUST DEALT WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. YES. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT THIS DOESN'T RESET THE ENTIRE PROCESS. BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING. AGAIN. IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW HOW MUCH IF THERE'S A MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WHICH WOULD YOU CALL THE POLICE CARS AND MATERIAL CHANGE. BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THAT. YEAH. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT WAS YEAH. THE TEN YEAR COMMENT IS PRETTY TALENT. OKAY, I'LL TAKE IT. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, PLEASE. I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE TABLE THIS. PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. IT'S MORE THAN THAT. WE GOT TO GET THE WHOLE. YEAH. BECAUSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS JUST A PIECE OF IT. SO I WOULD MOVE TO TABLE THE PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE STUDY APPROVAL. OKAY. AND AND THE ORDINANCE TO THE CITY AND THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CODE TITLE TEN, CHAPTER EIGHT DEVELOPMENT FEE IMPACT FEES AND APPROVE. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK CITY CLERK. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? IT'LL BE THE ENTIRE TITLE I AM. YEP, I GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IS IT TABLED TO A CERTAIN POINT OR JUST TABLED INDEFINITELY? I WANT TO LEAVE THAT TO THE ADMINISTRATORS.YEAH OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR FREEMAN I, I HAD ALREADY HEARD A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR LARSON, CITY CLERK, WILL YOU? RADFORD. RIGHT.
LARSON. YES. FREEMAN. YES. FRANCIS. HI. DINGMAN. YES. BURTENSHAW. YES. MOTION CARRIES.
OKAY. THAT DOES END OUR HEARING. OUR OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. WE WILL JUST GO DOWN. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO CAME TO PARTICIPATE. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO GAVE TESTIMONY AND FOR BEARING WITH US UNTIL 11:00 AT NIGHT. WE HAVE NO COMMENT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR TESTIMONY. I HAVE A COMMENT. YES, AND COUNCILOR FREEMAN DOES HAVE A COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE OUR CITY GREW BY 20 ACRES TONIGHT. AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALL
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TRYING TO GET OUT OF HERE. AND SO I'M GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS AS YOU LEAVE IT KIND OF LIKE A PARTING SHOW. YOU CAN GO ON OUT. WE DO HAVE OUR I WILL JUST ADD WE HAVE THE UTV LIGHT PARADE COMING UP ON NEXT FRIDAY, DECEMBER 19TH. IT IS FULL. IF YOU HAVE NOT REGISTERED, BUT PLEASE COME TO THE VIEWING STATIONS AND WATCH. THERE WILL BE FOOD TRUCKS. IT HAS 400 UTVS DECORATED AND IT'S A GREAT NIGHT. IT'S A FUN NIGHT IN IDAHO FALLS. I THINK THAT WE