Dec 08, 2025 City Council Work Session

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CALLED THE COUNCIL ROLE YET TO ESTABLISH THE QUORUM. WE'RE JUST WAITING. THERE WE GO. OKAY,

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

COUNCILOR RADFORD, PRESENT. COUNCILOR. DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. FREEMAN HERE.

COUNCILOR. FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. THANK YOU. I'LL NOTE THAT HE IS ON

[Human Resources, Police]

THAT'S $28 AN HOUR. IT LINES UP WITH PD STEP ONE, $28 AN HOUR AND SO ON. AND THEN IT MOVES TO TEN STEPS TWO, THREE AND FOUR, THE NEXT ONES ON AND SO ON ACROSS. AND THE SERGEANT, CAPTAIN AND LIEUTENANT ON THE POLICE SALARY SCHEDULE LINE UP EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE IN THE CURRENT GENERAL FUND SALARY SCHEDULE. SO IT'S NOT ASKING FOR MONEY OR APPROVAL TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT WITH BUDGETS. IT'S CREATING AN AWARENESS THAT WE HAVE A NEED TO CREATE A SEPARATE SALARY SCHEDULE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO FIT THE POLICE OFFICERS ONTO THEIR OWN SALARY SCHEDULE. IT DOES HAVE POTENTIAL FUTURE DISCUSSIONS IN THIS VENUE WHEN WE COME TO BUDGETS. IF IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DECIDES THEY WANT TO TRY TO ASK FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN OTHER GENERAL FUND EMPLOYEES MIGHT BE, GETTING ON THE SALARY SCHEDULE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I JUST DIDN'T WANT THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE SURPRISED BY LEARNING OF A SEPARATE SALARY SCHEDULE DURING BUDGET SEASON, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS HERE. CONCERNS OR WHATEVER ELSE.

WHATEVER OTHER DISCUSSION WE MIGHT NEED TO HAVE, CHIEF, I ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? ONE I KNOW ON OUR ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE SYSTEM FOR PAYROLL, HOW MANY DECIMALS ARE YOU GOING? BECAUSE THAT MATTERS IMMENSELY. YEAH. WE DON'T PLAN ON SORRY. WE DON'T PLAN ON EXTENDING IT OUT TO THE DECIMALS. WE JUST WANTED TO JUST DO AN ESTIMATE. SO. AND DOES THIS HAVE ANY. NO. DOES THIS HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THEIR ACCRUAL OF VACATION IN. IF YOU

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SO FIRE HAS POTENTIAL. I MEAN, IT ISN'T LIKE, OH, WE'VE JUST BEEN WORKING WITH POLICE AND NOW WE'RE BRINGING IT ALL OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT FIRE AND WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD THEIRS IN THE SYSTEM. THEY'RE EACH GRADE HAS ITS OWN GRADE. IT'S ON SCHEDULE. GREAT. WHAT SHOULD WE READ INTO HOW FAR ALONG WE ARE? THIS SEEMS POSITIVE FOR THE WORKDAY SYSTEM. YEAH. OH. YOU SHOULD. WELL, WE ARE COMING ALONG OKAY. WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL TESTING PROCESS. SORRY, SORRY I TURNED IT OFF. YEAH, WE HAVE SUCCESSFUL TESTING PROCESS WHERE WE WERE IN THE SYSTEM. WE WERE WORKING WITH DATA THAT WAS ACTUAL LIVE DATA, SEEING HOW IT WORKS. SO IT'S LOOKING GOOD. IN JANUARY. WE'RE HAVING AN END TO END BUILD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TEST OUT. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LEARNING CURVE, SOME CHANGE MANAGEMENT THAT I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD AND WILL EXPECT. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY POSITIVE THING FOR US.

IT'S NOT YEAH, WE CAN'T DO THIS. WHAT'S GOING TO BE NICE ABOUT THIS IS IT NOW ALLOWS US TO MANIPULATE THE DATA WHEN WE SHOULDN'T BE AND THE SYSTEM WON'T. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY, SO I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION OR CONCERN IS RELATED TO HOW WE ROLL THIS OUT, BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER EMPLOYEES WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL STEPPING GRADE SYSTEM. IT'S JUST BEING PRESENTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

YEAH. THE FUNDING SOURCE IS EXACTLY THE SAME. AND THE STEP IF YOU IF YOU GO NUMBER BY NUMBER, THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME. YEAH. IF THE IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DECIDES TO COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS GETTING 2% AND WE THINK WE NEED THREE OR SOME OTHER NUMBER, THAT WOULD BE A BUDGET DISCUSSION AND A BUDGET PROCESS FOR YOU TO SAY, SHOULD WE REALLY BE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR POLICE THAN WE DO FOR THE OTHER GENERAL FUND AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHATEVER INFORMATION AND DATA IS BROUGHT TO TO THAT DISCUSSION? THAT DISCUSSION, BY THE WAY, COULD HAPPEN UNDER THE EXISTING SALARY SCHEDULE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. EVERYBODY COULD MOVE UP. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW OTHER EMPLOYEES MIGHT PERCEIVE THIS IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN EXPLANATION. YEAH. IS THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH. HOW WE ROLL IT OUT. SO I THINK IF THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF COMMUNICATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OTHER THAN THIS SALARY SCHEDULE WILL BE OUT THERE, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD THE INTENTION TO DO A CITYWIDE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THIS. OKAY. SIMPLY TO JUST BUILD THIS SALARY SCHEDULE INTO THE NEW SYSTEM, AND IT WILL SHOW UP IN THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AND EVERYTHING AS A SEPARATE CHART. BUT WHENEVER WE RESPOND TO THAT, FROM TODAY'S PERSPECTIVE, I'M SAYING TODAY'S PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE TWO YEARS FROM NOW, SOMETHING MIGHT BE DIFFERENT. IT'S THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS. OKAY. YEAH. ANY EMPLOYEE WHO GETS THIS COLUMN IN THIS ROW IS GOING TO BE AT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. YEAH. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING IT. AND THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU THANK YOU. I IT IS SHOWING UP AS A AN ACTION. IS THERE A REASON THAT IT ACTUALLY COUNCIL PRESIDENT ARE YOU CHECKING UP ON THE AGENDA. SO THAT'S THAT WILL BE ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF

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YEAH. AND IF MOTION NEEDED TO BE MADE YOU CAN OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE OUR

[Community Development Services]

THANK YOU. COUNCIL. IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU TODAY. WELCOME TO OUR CDS DEPARTMENT REPORT.

ANNUAL REPORT. ONE THING THAT I PUT IN FRONT OF YOU, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, IS I HAVE SOME SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FOR YOU. THESE ARE I DIDN'T WANT TO GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT EVERY LAND USE APPLICATION UNDER THE SUN THAT WE DO. SO I JUST COMPILED IT ALL AND GAVE IT TO YOU IN A IN A BRIEF HANDOUT. I WILL COME BACK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES. I'LL, I'LL REFERENCE ONE OF THE CHARTS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE. BUT JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE WHAT THAT IS WITH ME TODAY AS WELL, I HAVE OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, CODY GORDON, WHO'S WITH US, WHO'S OVER THE BUILDING DIVISION. AND THEN ALSO WITH ME IS CARRIE BUTLER, OUR ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR, WHO IS OVER OUR PLANNING DIVISION. AND FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME OR ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, BUT SO I'LL START WITH OUR ORGANIZATION AND OUR VISION STATEMENT. AND THIS COMES DIRECTLY OUT OF IMAGINE IF WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN CDS IS WE TRY TO PROMOTE A WELCOMING, ATTRACTIVE, SAFE AND DIVERSE COMMUNITY. WE EMBRACE SMALL TOWN VALUES, BIG CITY EFFICIENCIES AND FORWARD THINKING APPROACHES TO PROVIDE OUTSTANDING SERVICES AND SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN CDS.

WE'RE BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR DIVISIONS. WE HAVE 20 EMPLOYEES IN THE IN THE DEPARTMENT, OUR PLANNING DIVISION, AND IS MADE UP OF OUR ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR AND OUR FOUR PLANNERS, WITH ONE OF OUR PLANNERS BEING A GIS ANALYST UNDER THE BUILDING DIVISION. IT SPLITS.

WE HAVE FOUR OF OUR STAFF THAT ARE IN THE OFFICE FULL TIME. THEY ARE TWO PERMIT CLERKS. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PLANS EXAMPLES OUT IN THE FIELD. WE HAVE OUR CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR VARIOUS INSPECTORS. FROM THERE WE ARE FULLY STAFFED IN OUR BUILDING DIVISION. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT WE ARE FULLY STAFFED THERE. WE ALSO HAVE OUR GRANTS OR CDBG AND THAT REALLY IS MADE UP OF ONE PERSON, LISA FERRIS, WHO COMES AND REPORTS TO YOU FOLKS EVERY YEAR WITH CDBG ISSUES. AND THEN WE ALSO ARE OVER MPO. BUT MY ROLE AS DIRECTOR OF MPO IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I'M MORE THE PURSE STRING OF THE MPO. I APPROVE THEIR FINANCES, THEIR TRAVEL. I TAKE THEIR BUDGET TO YOU FOLKS. WHENEVER WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET SEASON. AND THEN THE LAST MOST IMPORTANT EMPLOYEE IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, ANNE PETERSON. SHE'S AN SHE HELPS US WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING, AND SHE'S THE FACE OF THE OPERATION. SO SHE DOES A GREAT JOB FOR US. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO INTO THE PLANNING DIVISION AND. OH, YES. OH, SORRY. CAN YOU GO BACK? YEAH. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT CROSS TRAINING IN THE INSPECTOR ROLE SO THAT IF SOMEBODY IS ON VACATION, SAY, AND YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO GO DO A PLUMBING INSPECTION AND THE PLUMBER IS GONE, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE ABLE TO DO THOSE. YEAH, YEAH, I CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. YES, WE WE'VE RESTRUCTURED THAT HOW IT WAS IN THE PAST. SO WE HAVE OUR CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR. HE ACTUALLY IS A PLUMBING INSPECTOR FOR THAT EXACT REASON.

AND HE'S ALSO A BUILDING INSPECTOR. HE COORDINATES A LOT OF THOSE THOSE THINGS THAT NEED TO SHIFT BETWEEN THE INSPECTORS. IF THAT FLEXIBILITY IS NEEDED. OKAY. YEAH. THE ONLY ONE IS. I WILL SAY THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTORS ARE PRETTY SPECIALIZED. WE HAVE TWO OF THEM, AND THEY ARE VERY SPECIALIZED IN ELECTRICAL. SO THAT'S ALL THAT THEY DO. WE CAN'T LET THEM BOTH BE ON VACATION AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH, SURE. RANDOMLY I GOT A QUESTION TODAY ABOUT HOW TO FIX HISTORIC PRESERVATION INFORMATION. IS THAT ONE OF THE PLAN? LIKE WHO DO I SEND THAT PERSON TO? SO I GUESS I CAN MAKE A TICKET. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT ONE THAT ACTUALLY GOES TO CAITLIN LONG, SHE IS THE PLANNER. SO EACH PLANNER HAS DIFFERENT AREAS. THE TWO CURRENT PLANNERS, THEY FOCUS ON

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WE ALSO THAT'S WHERE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT POSITIONS ARE HOUSED. IF THERE ARE ANY OF THE ZONING ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH WITH ENFORCEMENT, AND THEN WE DO ATTEND A LOT OF COMMITTEES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THE SHADE TREE COMMITTEE, THE MPO TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, BIKE PED, THE FDC IS WHAT YOU MENTIONED. CAITLIN SITS ON THAT BOARD AND THEN SUPPORT FUNCTIONS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. AGAIN, I THINK THOSE ROLES ARE KEY IN US MAKING SURE THAT THOSE LONG RANGE PLANS ARE ACTIVE PLANS, AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH EACH OF THOSE GROUPS TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. OUT OF THOSE THOSE PLANNING DOCUMENTS. AND THEN WE'RE HERE TO HELP ANY AND ALL JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY BE SUCCESSFUL IN UNDERSTANDING BOTH DATA, YOU KNOW, POPULATION NUMBERS, IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SOMETIMES IT'S ACRES AND LAND USE DATA THAT WE'RE SHARING WITH OTHER ENTITIES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. JUST TRYING TO BE SUPPORTIVE IN THOSE ROLES. I MENTIONED THE EMPLOYEES. WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE ONE VACANCY. NISHA FOSTER LEFT AND WENT TO WORK FOR BONNEVILLE COUNTY AS THEIR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND PLANNING DIRECTOR OVER THERE.

WE ALWAYS HATE TO LOSE GOOD EMPLOYEES, BUT IT MAKES IT A LITTLE LESS PAINFUL IF WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING SOMEWHERE CLOSE AND THAT WORK THAT THEY DO OVER THERE WILL ALSO BENEFIT THE CITY AS WELL. NATION WILL BE A GOOD ASSET FOR BONNEVILLE COUNTY, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO TO WORKING WITH HER IN THAT CAPACITY. WE ARE ACTIVELY INTERVIEWING RIGHT NOW.

ACTUALLY, WE JUST HAD AN INTERVIEW TODAY. WE'RE HOPING TO WRAP UP THE FIRST INITIAL INTERVIEWS ACTUALLY TOMORROW, AND THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SECOND INTERVIEWS FOR NISHA'S POSITION. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT INTEREST IN HER POSITION. WE HAD 48 APPLICANTS APPLIED FOR THE POSITION. WE MADE A SHORT LIST DOWN TO 12, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM VERY SHORT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DIGGING THROUGH APPLICATIONS. AND THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY INTERVIEWING EIGHT. WE'VE HAD TO SET SOME REALLY GOOD RESPONSE. PEOPLE WITH REALLY GOOD BACKGROUNDS IN PLANNING AND LAND USE, PREVIOUS WORK WITH DIFFERENT CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL, SO

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FULL LOAD FOR ANY SINGLE PLANNER IS 20 TO 25, DEPENDING ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THOSE PROJECTS. OF COURSE, THAT NUMBER EBBS AND FLOWS THROUGH THE YEAR AND DURING CONSTRUCTION CYCLE. IN THE SUMMER, THINGS KIND OF EXPLODE A LITTLE BIT AND WE GET REALLY BUSY WITH CURRENT PROJECTS. BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE RIGHT NOW, NORMALLY YOU'D THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT SLOW FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, BUT OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDAS CAN SOMETIMES GET REALLY BUSY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR ENTITLEMENTS COMPLETE BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION SEASON STARTS. SO WE'LL USE THOSE LONG RANGE PLANNERS TO HELP OFFSET THE THE WORK OF THE CURRENT PLANNERS SO THAT WE CAN ASSIST DEVELOPMENT, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS MUCH EASIER THAT WAY. SO YEAH, THEY'RE DOING THEY'RE DOING BOTH. IT ALSO HELPS WITH CROSS TRAINING, JUST KEEPING EVERYONE CURRENT WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH EACH DAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SIDE WE LIKE WAS MENTIONED WE HAVE TWO SECTIONS. WE HAVE OUR FRONT OFFICE STAFF AND WE HAVE OUR INSPECTORS AND OUR PLANS EXAMINERS. AND AND ALONG WITH THAT WE HAVE WE USE A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUILDING CODES, ALL OF WHICH ARE TIED TO THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, EXCEPT FOR THE ELECTRICAL CODE, WHICH FALLS UNDER THE NFPA CODE. AND AND WITH THAT, ALL THE CODES ARE REVIEWED UNDER THOSE. AND AND ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAVE QUITE A NUMBER OF STANDARDS THAT WE USE, ONE OF WHICH IS NOTED UP THERE ON THE ON THE BOARD. IT'S A STANDARD TO ENSURE THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED FOR THE SAFETY AND USABILITY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DISABILITIES. AND THEN WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO REVIEWS, WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE CODES. ONE IS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND ONE IS FOR COMMERCIAL. THEY'RE TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE CODES THAT WE USE RIGHT NOW. WE DO OVERSEE THE CONTRACTORS LICENSING PROGRAM. AND WE ALSO JUST RECENTLY STARTED TO DO IN-PERSON TRAININGS WHERE WE'VE INVITED ALL THE CONTRACTORS TO COME IN. AND HAVE TRAININGS ON THE CURRENT CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE ONE COMING UP THIS NEXT WEEK. WE HAVE 73 SIGNED UP AND WE HAVE QUITE A NUMBER OF STANDBY PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST WAITING ON THAT. WE'VE ALSO, ALONG WITH THAT INCLUDED THE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS IN THE IN THE AREA, AS LONG AS WELL AS THERE'S A GROUP OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUILDING DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE VALLEY THAT WE'VE INVITED TO BE PART OF THIS. AND THEN THAT LAST ONE, WE OF COURSE, DO BUILD INSPECTIONS FROM BUILDING ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL, PLUMBING, AND THEN WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH FIRE ON THEIR INSPECTIONS AS WELL. WE WE CURRENTLY HAVE 11 EMPLOYEES LIKE WAS MENTIONED BEFORE. WE ARE FULLY STAFF, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY GREAT. AND SO WE HAVE TWO BUILDING OFFICIAL WHICH IS MYSELF. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR RESIDENTIAL PLANS EXAMINER, COMMERCIAL PLANS EXAMINER AND WE HAVE TWO FULL TIME BUILDING PERMIT CLERKS. AND THEN WE HAVE SIX INSPECTORS.

AND LIKE WAS ASKED BEFORE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CROSS TRAINING THAT WE'VE DONE. SO IF

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THERE'S THREE EMPLOYEES OVER THERE. THERE'S A DIRECTOR AND A TRANSPORTATION PLANNER, AND THEN THEY HAVE A PART TIME ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IN THAT DEPARTMENT. AND MOST OF YOU SIT ON MPO, SEE THEM VERY WELL. WHAT GOES ON THERE. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DIVISION I'LL MOVE ALONG ON OUR BUDGET. OUR BUDGET IS IS REALLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD BMP AND CDBG. I THINK THE EASIEST WAY TO KNOW THAT IS THEY COME IN FROM GRANTS. AND SO THEY'RE FUNDED EITHER THROUGH STATE OR FEDERAL GRANTS. AND SO THOSE JUST COME IN AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ALLOCATE. THEY HAVE THAT MONEY TO USE. IN TERMS OF OUR BUDGET. WE'RE UP HERE AT THE TOP. WE'RE AT 2.2 MILLION. AND WE'VE ONLY USED 12% OF OUR BUDGET SO FAR. WE'RE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD WHEN IT COMES TO OUR HOW WE GET MONEY IN TERMS OF FEES. USUALLY THE FEES FOR ACTUALLY I HAVE A SLIDE TO DISCUSS THAT. SORRY. SO IN TERMS OF PROJECTS AND THE BUDGET LAST YEAR I REQUESTED A ONE TIME MONEY FOR A PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS CONSULTANT. WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT THAT IN THE SPRING JUST TO EVALUATE OUR PERMITTING PROCESS AND CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TO ENSURE THAT FROM AN OUTSIDER'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE GETTING AT WHAT THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT US CITY COUNCIL ARE WANTING THERE LONG TERM NEEDS. SO WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY SIMPLE PEOPLE, SIMPLE DEPARTMENT THAT REALLY THE ONLY GROWTH THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS AS DEPENDING ON THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY AND THE CONSTRUCTION NEEDS THERE, I FORESEE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED A PLANNER SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, JUST WITH THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS AND THE GROWTH, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DATA COMING UP. AS I MENTIONED ABOUT FEES. FEES ARE ASSESSED ANNUALLY. THAT COMES IN THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. WHAT WE DO IS MUNICIPAL SERVICES WILL SEND US OVER THE EXISTING FEE SCHEDULE. AND WE CARRY AND I LOOK AT IT AND WE JUST EVALUATE IT ACCORDING TO THE OTHER CITIES AROUND. WE ENSURE THAT THE FEES TRY TO CATCH GENERALLY ADDRESS STAFF TIME ON REVIEW, AND THEN IF WE NEED TO ADJUST THAT FEE, THEN WE WILL REQUEST THAT. AND THAT GOES AS PART OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS. WE HAVEN'T UPDATED FEES FOR THE WHOLE TIME THE TWO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE. SO WE DON'T CHANGE THEM THAT OFTEN.

BUT IF THERE'S A NEED, I HAVE THAT ON THE FUTURE FEE INCREASES. COULD IT INCREASE? YES IT COULD, BUT WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT AT THAT TIME WE COULD. CAN I GO BACK JUST ONE SLIDE? I DIDN'T I KNEW I KNEW WE MOVED ON I'M SORRY. OH THAT'S OKAY. BUT BMP DOES NOT RECEIVE JUST ALL OF THEIR FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE PAY IT, THE COUNTY PAYS IT AND SO DOES AMA. I'M JUST WONDERING, DO WE BILL THEM FOR IT OR DO THEY JUST THEY JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S THEIR PORTION AND THEY PAY IT? YES, THE LATTER, THE LATTER. SO.

SO IT'S PART OF THEIR BUDGET. IT'S JUST PART OF THEY THEY'RE FINANCIAL PEOPLE SEND IT TO OUR FINANCIAL PEOPLE AND WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THEM. NO. OKAY. YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT I SHOULD HAVE. THAT'S OKAY I DO ON THAT. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT WASN'T GETTING LOST SOMEWHERE IN THE CRACKS THAT THAT FINANCE IS KNOWS WHERE THAT MONEY IS.

OKAY. AND I JUST WONDERED, WE'RE ONLY A LITTLE BIT THROUGH THIS YEAR. BUT WHAT DID YOU END IN USE OF YOUR ONE OF YOUR 2,000,002.2. WERE YOU 90% 99 OH LAST YEAR. YEAH, YEAH WE WERE OH, I DIDN'T PUT UP LAST YEAR'S. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT NUMBER. BUT WE

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WE SPENT MOST OF OUR BUDGET. OUR BUDGET IS VERY TIGHT IN GENERAL. WE OPERATE ON PRETTY SMALL MARGINS. SO AND THEN I MENTIONED THIS ALREADY, JUST IN TERMS OF FUTURE PLANNING. WE DON'T DO ANY CAPITAL PROJECTS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE. BUT AS I SAID, WE'LL HAVE TO WATCH WITH CONSTRUCTION TRENDS WHAT WE'LL NEED IN TERMS OF STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING UP THAT EFFICIENCY. I'LL SHOW YOU REVIEW TIMES AND THINGS HERE IN A SECOND. WE ALSO DO HAVE A ROTATION OF VEHICLES FOR OUR INSPECTORS. WE BUDGET FOR THAT. IT'S PART OF THAT BUDGET CYCLE. SO THAT'S OURS IS REALLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I WANTED TO SHOW JUST TWO DATA. TWO, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I'LL MOVE ON UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. BUT I'LL JUST SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS AND THEN I'LL GET INTO OUR PRIORITIES. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW OUR POPULATION TRENDS. FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE HAVE INCREASED OUR POPULATION BY A LITTLE UNDER 8500 IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. AND IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE'VE INCREASED OUR POPULATION JUST UNDER 15,000 ON AVERAGE. WE'RE ADDING ABOUT 1300 PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY EVERY YEAR. AND WITH IT, A GROWTH RATE OF BETWEEN 1.5 TO 2%, IT'S A GOOD GROWTH RATE. WE'RE JUST A VERY STEADY, GROWING COMMUNITY. OUR BIGGEST BOOM WAS IN 2020, WHERE WE GREW BY BY 2000 PEOPLE IN JUST ONE YEAR. WHEN I TOOK THIS OUT AND EXTRAPOLATED THIS INFORMATION, I TOOK JUST STANDARD GROWTH, SLOW GROWTH AND QUICK GROWTH. AND WHAT I ANTICIPATE IN DOING POPULATION PROJECTIONS IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS WILL PROBABLY BE OUR POPULATION WILL BE BETWEEN 85 TO 90,000 IS ROUGHLY WHAT OUR POPULATION WE'RE LOOKING AT.

DEPENDING ON IF THAT COULD OBVIOUSLY CHANGE, WE COULD HAVE A HUGE BOOM IN OUR POPULATION.

SO I JUST SHOW THAT. SO THEN IT GETS INTO OUR OUR PRIORITIES. SO WE HAVE FOUR THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED BY CITY COUNCIL. ONE IS TO EXPEDITE THE PERMITTING AND REVIEW PROCESS AND IMPROVE THAT PROCESS. I'LL GO THROUGH THAT. IMPROVING HOUSING OPTIONS IN IDAHO FALLS. AND THEN THE OTHER TWO THAT IS EVALUATE A PART ZONING STANDARDS AND THEN A FOCUS ON THE SNAKE RIVER. SO THE FIRST IS IN REGARD TO OUR PERMITTING PROCESS. SO THIS IS JUST I JUST TOOK THE LAST 20 YEARS OF OUR PERMITS ISSUED AND JUST LUMPED THEM ALL TOGETHER JUST TO SHOW THE TREND, WHICH SHOWS TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION. YOU HAVE LEAN, LEAN YEARS AND FAT YEARS. BASICALLY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PERMITS PULLED AT SOME TIMES AND YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH IN OTHER TIMES IN TERMS OF OUR PROCESS. SO THE PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS, I'LL GO OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT IN DEPTH PRIOR TO AN APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED, AN APPLICANT SUBMITS THROUGH OUR PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS AND THAT IS DONE THROUGH CITY WORKS. AS I'VE TALKED TO YOU BEFORE, THE PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS HAS WE'VE REVAMPED HOW THAT'S DONE. WE GET THOSE APPLICATIONS A WEEK IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THEM TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THAT INTERNALLY, AND THEN WE GO TO PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, AND THOSE ARE MET EVERY THURSDAY AFTERNOON. WE SCHEDULE THOSE LONG IN ADVANCE WITH SOME PROJECTS. AND THEN WHEN THOSE ARE DONE, WE CREATE A BULLET POINTED CHECKLIST WITH ALL THE CONTACT INFORMATION AND THAT GOES OUT TO THE DEVELOPER. THEN THERE'S KIND OF A LAG. I SHOW A LINE THERE, BUT THERE IS A LAG FROM THE PRE-APPLICATION TO THE ACTUAL APPLICATION WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES IN. WHENEVER THAT OCCURS, THEY APPLY THROUGH CITYWORKS AND THEN A PROJECT MANAGERS IS ASSIGNED TO THEM.

THESE ARE PLANNED REVIEWS MIND YOU. SO THESE ARE SITE PLANS, ANNEXATIONS, PLATS, ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO A SPECIFIC PLANNER. AND THAT PLANNER ONE DOES A REVIEW, BUT THEN THEY ALSO MONITOR THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE REVIEWING THEM. MOST OF THE REVIEW ACTUALLY COMES OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS, BUT WE ARE THE STEWARDS OF THAT. AND SO WE MANAGE THAT. THEY COORDINATE ALL THOSE EFFORTS. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE COORDINATED BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS, THEY HEAD THAT UP AND JUST COLLABORATE AND WE TRY TO MOVE THOSE THROUGH VERY QUICKLY. I'LL SHOW YOU OUR REVIEW TIMES HERE IN A SECOND. THEN COMMENTS ARE RETURNED TO THE APPLICANT.

TYPICALLY OUR REVIEW, WHAT WE'RE FINDING ON AVERAGE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS BETWEEN TWO WEEKS TO THREE WEEKS. I'LL SHOW YOU. WE'RE ACTUALLY HITTING WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING BETTER THAN THAT IN SOME CASES. SO THAT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. SO THAT USUALLY TAKES TWO WEEKS.

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AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF LAND USE CASE THAT IS THAT THEN WE GO TO WHICHEVER ENTITY ACCORDING TO CODE OR STATE STATUTE AFTER IT GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING, SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. THERE ACTUALLY IS A COMPLETENESS REVIEW THAT IS DONE ON IT, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE BUILDING DIVISION FOR A PERMIT, WE'LL SEND IT OVER THERE. PLATS NEED TO GET RECORDED. SO EVEN AFTER YOU HEAR IT IN PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'S A FEW TIE UP THINGS THAT WE DO. BUT IN GENERAL THAT'S OUR OUR PLANNING PROCESS. AND THEN ON THE BUILDING SIDE, IF YOU REMEMBER, I'VE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE YOU, WE REDID THIS. SO THIS IS HOW IT OPERATES NOW. IT USED TO BE FUNNELED THROUGH THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL. SO NOW IT'S VERY SIMILAR. WE SET IT UP ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR TO HOW PLANS GO THROUGH. AND PLATS IS WHEN A PERMIT COMES IN, IT IS ASSIGNED A PROJECT MANAGER DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF PERMIT THAT IT IS. SO IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL PLAN BY THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, THEN IT'LL GO TO OUR COMMERCIAL PLANS EXAMINER. IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL BY THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, THEN IT GOES TO OUR RESIDENTIAL PLANS EXAMINER AND IT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS THERE. AND THAT INDIVIDUAL COORDINATES, IF THERE'S CERTAIN REVIEWS AS HE REVIEWS THE PLANS, HE OR SHE, THE RESIDENTIAL PLANS, EXAMINERS AS SHE AS THEY REVIEW THE PLANS, THEY COORDINATE THOSE EFFORTS. SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT THEY NEED PLUMBING TO LOOK AT OR FIRE TO LOOK AT, OR THEY COORDINATE THOSE EFFORTS TO ENSURE IT MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS EFFICIENTLY. THEN WHEN THE PROJECT IS DONE, THE PERMIT IN THIS CASE IS DONE. THEN THEY SEND THEY NOTIFY THE DEVELOPER AND THE FEES ARE PAID AT THAT TIME. AND THEN INSPECTIONS ARE SCHEDULED DEPENDING. SOMETIMES THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG AS THEY START TO CONSTRUCT. SOMETIMES THAT TAKES TIME DEPENDING ON FINANCING. SO THEY WILL START TO CONSTRUCT AND THEN AS THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. THEY HAVE PERMITS OR INSPECTIONS THAT ARE DONE. AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS THE GOLDEN EGG, I GUESS IS THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO. THERE CAN BE INSPECTIONS AND THERE CAN BE RESUBMITTAL DURING THIS PROCESS. YEAH. COUNSELOR, WHAT'S A BLANK WALL? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. BLANK. DO YOU ANSWER THAT? I CAN ANSWER IT, BUT YEAH.

OKAY. SO IN BUILDINGS WHAT YOU TRY TO PREVENT IS A BLANK FACADE OR ONE SIDE OF THE WALL.

SO USUALLY WHAT WE REQUIRE IS SOME TYPE WHAT THEY CALL ARTICULATION IN THE FACADE. SO IT'S A BUMP OUT OF THE FACADE OR WINDOWS. IT'S JUST TO ADD CHARACTER TO THE SIDE OKAY.

OKAY. THANKS. YEAH. CAR WASHES RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. YES. SO YOU DON'T HAVE A TUBE. YES. IT'S JUST TO ADD CHARACTER TO THE BUILDING. YEAH. ALL ABOUT ESTHETICS. IT'S ABOUT ESTHETICS.

YEAH. IT'S ABOUT ESTHETICS. YEAH. WE'RE A LITTLE FROUFROU, I GUESS. AND WE'RE ALL GOOD.

WE'RE. I'M AN ARCHITECTURAL GUY, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW OUR PERMIT. REVIEW TIMES. AS I SAID, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE TWO WEEK TURNAROUND. THIS THIS IS REAL DATA THAT KERRY ACTUALLY PULLED. SO OUR AVERAGE REVIEW TIME IS TWO WEEKS. WE'RE HITTING IT ON THE LOWER END OF WHAT'S INDUSTRY STANDARD. OUR COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY IS EVEN FASTER. WE'RE HITTING TEN DAY TURNAROUNDS, SO WE'RE HITTING LESS THAN TWO WEEKS, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT. OUR INSPECTIONS ARE OCCURRING WITHIN 24 HOURS. HOWEVER, JUST IN CODY AND I DISCUSSION, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT WE FOUND. IT'S VERY, VERY RARE. BUT SOME OF OUR INSPECTORS WHEN WE. SO SOMEONE'S ON VACATION. SO TO ADDRESS THIS, IF WE IF THE INSPECTOR HAS MORE THAN 25 INSPECTIONS AND WE CAN'T GET TO IT IN 24 HOURS, WHAT WE DO IS WE REACH OUT TO THAT CONTRACTOR AND WE JUST STATE WE'LL HIT IT IN 48 HOURS, AND WE COORDINATE THAT WITH THE CONTRACTOR SO THAT WE CAN GO OUT IMMEDIATELY. WE'VE NOT FOUND THIS TO BE A COMMON PRACTICE. WE TYPICALLY ARE HITTING THE 24 HOURS, BUT WE FOUND 1 OR 2. I WOULD SAY I LOOK TO YOU CODY, ON THAT. IT'S

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I WAS THE LAST PRESENTATION I DID WAS IN ROTARY CLUB ABOUT TWO A MONTH AGO, TWO MONTHS AGO.

AND WE ALSO HAVE BEEN MEETING IN THE SPRING. I WAS MEETING HEAVILY WITH VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. ONE OF THEM WAS A WOMEN'S GROUP. I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS MAYBE PUT ME IN CONNECTION WITH. SO I ALSO IN THE SPRING, I WAS SITTING DOWN AND MEETING WITH MEMBERS OF THE EASTSIDE HOMEBUILDERS ASSOCIATION. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE LAWSUIT.

WHAT WE WERE SITTING DOWN IS WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE COULD HELP THEM. SO ONE THING, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS WE DO A QUARTERLY MEETING WITH THEM, AND THEY HAD REQUESTED THAT THE INSPECTORS BE THERE, THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL BE THERE SO THAT WE COULD START HASHING OUT AND SOLVING PROBLEMS. AND AND THAT'S BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. AND THEN WE ALSO I HAVE A LINK IN THERE, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL JUST KEEP GOING. BUT WE ALSO HAVE NEWS NEWSLETTER OUTREACH THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ABOUT EVERY OTHER MONTH, ROUGHLY EVERY THREE MONTHS, EVERY OTHER MONTH THAT

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THERE'S LIFE CYCLE. SO WE THINK OF THE POPULATION IN TERMS OF ITS ENTIRE LIFE. SO IF YOU THINK OF YOU WERE BORN IN A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME, YOU, YOU, YOU BECAME A YOUNG ADULT, YOU MOVED INTO AN APARTMENT, RIGHT, A COMMUNAL LIVING. AND THEN AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR LIFE. BUT EACH THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HAS BEEN THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF OUR AMERICAN HOUSING STOCK. BUT ALSO REALIZE YOU MOVED BACKWARDS IN THAT CYCLE. SO AS YOU ARE EMPTY, NESTERS, USUALLY DOWNGRADE. IF YOU GET TO 55 PLUS, YOU CAN MOVE INTO RETIREMENT HOMES AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF LIVING OR THERE'S RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES COMPLETELY. ALSO, ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS WHAT THEY CALL THE LADDER THEORY, WHICH IS THAT PEOPLE MOVE UP AND DOWN SOCIOECONOMICALLY. IN TERMS OF HOUSING, YOU USUALLY GET A IF YOU GET A PROMOTION, THEN YOUR HOUSE, YOUR INCOME INCREASES SO YOU CAN MOVE UP IN HOUSING. BUT WE ALSO FORGET THAT THERE ARE SETBACKS TO PEOPLE'S LIVES LIKE DIVORCES, JOBLESSNESS, AND THAT ACTUALLY CAN MOVE THEM UP AND DOWN THROUGHOUT THIS LADDER. SO I STATE ALL THIS BECAUSE THIS COMES FROM IMAGINE IF IN OUR APPENDICES, WHEN WE WENT OUT AND SURVEYED THE COMMUNITY, THESE WERE VARIOUS RESPONSES THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND I BRING THIS UP. THE ONLY REASON I'M GOING INTO SOME OF THIS IS BECAUSE SOME OF THIS BECAME AN ISSUE WITH THE ELECTION WHEN WE SURVEYED IN THE STRATEGY IN WHICH WE'RE USING THROUGHOUT CDS IN REGARDS TO HOUSING, WHICH I'LL EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL HERE IN A SECOND, IS ACCORDING TO A LOT OF THIS TYPE OF INPUT, COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TALKED ABOUT BARRIERS TO HOUSING AND THAT THERE WAS THE COST, BUT ALSO THAT THERE WAS A SHORTAGE OF TYPE OF HOUSING. FURTHER, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE, IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, THEY SPECIFICALLY WANTED THE CONTROLLING OF SPRAWL, LIMITING THE LOSS OF SURROUNDING FARMLAND TO HOUSING SUBDIVISIONS, AND PRIORITIZING

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AND SO WE HAVE FOCUSED ON THAT. IMAGINE IF ACTUALLY CALLS THIS OUT. SO I'M TRYING NOT TO GET TOO LONG WINDED HERE TO BE COGNIZANT OF YOUR TIME, BUT THERE'S ELEMENTS IN HERE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT URBAN SPRAWL. I'LL JUST READ THE HIGHLIGHTS. SUCH URBAN SPRAWL INHERENTLY REDUCES THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND AMENITIES SURROUNDING THE CITY, RESOURCES AND AMENITIES WHICH ARE VALUED BY OUR CITIZENS, AND THE REASON MANY PEOPLE ARE DRAWN TO MOVE TO OUR REGION AS THE CHARACTER. THESE GROWTH PATTERNS MUST SHIFT INWARD TO CREATE HOUSING CHOICES THAT INTERACT WITH THE ESTABLISHED ENVIRONMENT, CREATING NODES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HARMONIZE HOUSING AND THE SERVICES SURROUNDING IT. YET CODES AND POLICIES OFTEN ARE THE GREATEST BARRIER TO PROVIDING SUCH HOUSING AND GROWTH. AND I'LL SKIP DOWN MANY RESIDENTS, WHEN ASKED ABOUT HOUSING, RECOGNIZED THE NEED FOR HOUSING THAT WAS MORE ALIGNED WITH BRINGING IN DIVERSIFIED HOUSING TYPES TO SUPPORT GROWTH. AS I MENTIONED, GROWTH IS HAPPENING HERE. IT'S NOT HUGE WHEN THE SKY ISN'T FALLING, BUT WE ARE SEEING SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH. SO IMAGINE IF ACTUALLY CALLS THIS OUT. THEY CALL OUT A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES OVER HERE ON DIVERSIFIED HOUSING STOCK, AS WELL AS A FOCUS OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT A COMMUNITY. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND PROVIDE NOT JUST DIVERSITY, BUT WHAT WE CALL HOUSING CHOICE. SO THERE ARE CAN I BACK YOU UP THERE ON THAT? YEAH. I MEAN, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I WAS IN THIS THING CALLED THE CAMPAIGN, BUT LIKE, SO WORK WITH BONNEVILLE COUNTY TO UPDATE AND ADOPT. IMAGINE IF ITSELF DOES NOT. IT TAKES ACTION FROM IMAGINE IF IT DOES NOT SET THE PARAMETERS, IT SETS THIS THIS VISION. BUT THEN EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS TO BE ADOPTED FORMALLY THROUGH OUR FORMAL PROCESS IN THE SUBDIVISION CODE OR WHATEVER CODES ACTUALLY. THIS DID NOT BRING INTEL. THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS I THINK OF IT LIKE A HORSE. LIKE IT SETS OUR BLINDERS TO FOCUS ON SPECIFIC THINGS. YES. YEAH. IT IS ASPIRATIONAL. AS WE HAVE SAID MANY TIMES IN ASPIRATIONAL NOT BINDING. YES OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT CLEARS UP SO MANY TIMES THAT THERE ARE THAT CLARITY IS ACTUALLY VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S LIKE A GOAL. IT'S A GOAL OR A FOCUS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIT. WILL IT THOSE ACTION ITEMS GIVE US THAT FOCUS. YES. EXACTLY. SO THESE ARE I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP AHEAD. SO THESE ARE 14 STRATEGIES THAT I WAS GOING TO HAVE CARRIE DESCRIBE THESE. BUT I'M JUST GOING TO MOVE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT FROM ACTUALLY OUR OUR PROFESSION THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION. THESE ARE THINGS THAT THEY SUGGEST WE DO IN REGARDS TO TO PROVIDE HOUSING DIVERSITY. THAT'S CHECK MARKS ARE ONES THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IMPLEMENTED IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HOUSING CHOICE. I WANT TO SHOW THIS AND THEN I'LL EXPLAIN HOW WE'RE DOING THAT THROUGH. SO WE TALKED ABOUT IMAGINE GOALS AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL ZONING REGULATION. SO WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THIS SHOWS OUR ZONING BY ACREAGE. I WILL CALL OUT OTHER THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

OTHER IS WHEN WE DO IT THROUGH GIS. THAT'S EVERYTHING LEFT OVER PRIMARILY IT'S RIGHT OF WAY AND PRIMARILY ROADS. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. ROADS AND CANALS AND VARIOUS OTHER TYPES THAT DON'T FALL UNDER ANY REAL HARD ZONING CATEGORY. I'LL SHOW YOU THAT THE PRIMARY ACREAGE IS OUR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. RESIDENTIAL IS THE PRIMARY ACREAGE IN WHICH WE HAVE ZONING REGULATION IMPOSED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WHEN YOU GO AND EXTRAPOLATE THIS. SO I JUST TOOK THIS OUT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DATA. I WANT TO POINT YOU TO THIS PIE CHART RIGHT HERE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE USE TABLE RIGHT HERE, THESE ARE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED. I TRIED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THEY ARE.

THESE LITTLE IMAGES ABOVE. SO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING DETACHED, WHICH IS A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT MAKES UP 46.2% OF OUR ENTIRE ZONING WITHIN THE CITY. OUR OTHER TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL MEANING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, ATTACHED OR TWO UNIT MULTI-UNIT AND A MULTI-UNIT ATTACHED A MULTI-UNIT. THOSE MAKE UP 20% AND A THIRD, AND THE REST IS A THIRD OF ALL OF OUR OTHER ZONING TYPES. SO YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL. SO YOU CAN SEE REGULATORY WISE, WE ACTUALLY ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT DETACHED PRIMARILY THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE CITY. SO WHEN IT COMES TO REGULATION, WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO THEN IS ADAPT TO LET THE SINGLE FAMILY WORK, BUT ALSO WE ALLOW FOR OTHER DIVERSE HOUSING

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YEAH, YEAH. FORM BASED CODE AT THE BOTTOM 123 ACRES. WHERE DO WE CURRENTLY ALLOW MULTI-UNIT, DETACHED AND MULTI-UNIT. SO IS THAT ONLY DOWNTOWN? ESSENTIALLY. MULTI-UNIT ATTACHED. YEAH. SO IT SAYS WE ONLY ALLOW FORM BASED CODE. WHEREAS THE X IS THAT WHAT. THE FORM BASED CODE IS EXISTS IN DOWNTOWN AND SOUTH DOWNTOWN. THAT'S THE TWO PLACES. THAT'S THE TWO PLACES WITH THE FORM BASED CODE. AND THEN YOUR MULTI UNIT AND MULTI-UNIT ATTACHED WOULD BE ALLOWED IN EACH OF THOSE, TYPICALLY AS A MIXED USE IN DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU'RE DEALING WITH RESIDENTIAL ON THE UPPER STORIES. BUT IN SOUTH DOWNTOWN IT DOES ALLOW WITH THE HISTORIC HOMES DOWN THERE AS WELL. SO LET ME ASK, LIKE THE ORCHARD PARK, COULD THAT BEEN FORM BASED CODE? NO.

OKAY. AND THEN WHY DID WE LIMIT THAT THAT WAY? WAS THAT JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS THE STYLISTIC CHOICE WHEN WE DID THE FORM BASED? THAT'S SOMETHING I'D BEEN WONDERING. LIKE YOU USE THE FORM BASED CODE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN INTEGRITY OR A CERTAIN CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFICALLY HAS A CERTAIN FEEL TO IT AND A CERTAIN EXTERIOR THAT WE WERE WANTING TO MAINTAIN. THE SAME WITH SOUTH DOWNTOWN. SO THAT'S WHY THAT FORM BASED CODE WAS USED THERE. HOW MUCH CAN YOU USE FORM BASED CODE TO KIND OF MODERATE WHAT YOU WANT FOR DEVELOPMENTS AROUND APARTMENTS? IS THAT NOT AN ACCEPTABLE USE OR IS THAT A TAKINGS? OKAY, THAT'S A COMPLICATED QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A TAKINGS AS LONG AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING IT. ONCE THE CODE IS ADOPTED, THEN IT BECOMES REGULATORY. WHAT WE'RE SEEING MORE SUCCESS, I THINK, IN WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO, IS THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE. AND THAT WOULD WE WOULD REFER MORE AS A HYBRID BETWEEN A FORM BASED CODE AND A STANDARD ZONING CODE. IT HAS SOME FORM BASED ELEMENTS, BUT THEN THE BULK OF IT IS STILL STANDARD ZONING, WHICH IS EASIER FOR AN AVERAGE RESIDENT OR SOMEONE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND AND THEREFORE COMPLY WITH. AND WE'RE ALSO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THAT. SO I THINK IF WE WE TALKED A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT SHOULD THE FORM BASED CODE GO THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, I THINK TODAY WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS WE WOULD LOOK FOR SOME TYPE OF HYBRID, MAYBE EVEN TURNING OUR CENTRAL COMMERCIAL ZONE INTO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OF A HYBRID, LIKE THE TN ZONE. BECAUSE YOU CAN YOU CAN WORRY ABOUT THOSE SITE, THE ESTHETIC CHARACTERISTICS THAT WE CARE ABOUT WITH EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEN WORRY LESS ABOUT THE LAND USES AND HAVE IT BE EASIER FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT FOR THE THE BUSINESS OWNERS OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE. SO IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, IF YOU'RE LEAVENWORTH, WASHINGTON, YOU USE A FORM BASED CODE TO KEEP THE GERMAN LOOK OF THE OF THE CHRISTMAS VILLAGE. RIGHT. AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. SO THAT WASN'T ONE REASON. THAT WAS ONE REASON. RIGHT? OKAY. BUT IT IS SOMETHING AS A TOOL THAT WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE. LIKE ONE THING WOULD FORM BASED CODE, ALLOW US TO DO MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL R1 AND SO THAT CAN HAVE MORE OF A VILLAGE FEEL. SO LIKE YOU COULD HAVE A BAKER, A, YOU KNOW, A BODEGA AND ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD CAN YOU PLAY WITH THAT WITH ALLOWABILITY OR DOES THAT GET INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT R1 OR LIKE YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK YOU COULD DO THAT. I THINK THE, THE FORM BASED CODE, I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD USE THERE IS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO INTRODUCE MORE COMMERCIAL USES INTO A PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FORM BASE WOULD MAYBE ALLOW THOSE RESIDENTS TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IN INTRODUCING THOSE COMMERCIAL USES, BECAUSE THERE'D BE SOME STANDARDS THEY'D HAVE TO MEET, WHETHER THAT'S A BUFFER OR LANDSCAPING OR A SPECIFIC STYLE IN THE

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WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET MORE TO THE MISSING MIDDLE DATA POINTS OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING. I SHOWED THIS BECAUSE I SENT THIS TO BOTH CANDIDATES, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT PERMIT DATA, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT PERMIT DATA IS ACTUALLY SKEWED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S CALLED STARTS AND COMPLETES IN A PERMIT. PEOPLE WILL PULL A PERMIT, BUT THEY WON'T CONSTRUCT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE 510 YEARS DEPENDING ON THE FINANCING. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A MATHEMATICAL WAY OF DOING THIS. AND I JUST SHOW THIS BECAUSE THE CENSUS BUREAU DOES IT. IT'S CALLED THE SURVEY OF CONSTRUCTION. THEY TRY TO ACCOMMODATE MATHEMATICALLY BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT PERMITS, THERE'S SUCH A SKEW IN THAT DATA. AND SO I TRIED TO NARROW THIS DOWN. THE ONLY REASON I SHOW THIS IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARISON, IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S THIS HUGE SPIKES IN MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE, FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, CONSTRUCTING MORE MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF STARTS AND COMPLETES, IT ACTUALLY CRUNCHES THAT DATA DOWN. AND IT DOESN'T LOOK SO DRASTIC BECAUSE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT PERMITS COMPARED TO IS IT SHOWING WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING CONSTRUCTED IN THE FUTURE? WE'RE SEEING I TYPICALLY HAVE SEEN THESE TRENDS TO BE ABOUT FIVE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE ON THE DOWNWARD SLOPE OF THIS TREND RIGHT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NEXT YEAR. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA, IF IT'LL BE MORE MULTIFAMILY THAN SINGLE FAMILY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT QUITE YET, BUT TYPICALLY I'VE SEEN A FIVE YEAR TREND WHERE WE WILL BUILD MORE MULTIFAMILY. WHEN I SAY MULTIFAMILY, REALIZE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OWNER OCCUPIED OR RENTER OCCUPIED. THAT HAS PURELY TO DO WITH CONSTRUCTION TYPE. ACCORDING TO THE IRC OR IBC. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD HAVE TOWNHOMES THAT COULD BE OR ROW HOMES THAT COULD BE BUILT TO THE IBC AND THUS IS CLASSIFIED HERE AS MULTIFAMILY. IT'S IT'S INTERESTING TO ME, IF YOU LOOK FROM 2016, WE HAD 30 MULTIFAMILY. OH YES. ZERO 77 THREE YEAH, YEAH. SO IN FOUR YEARS YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE 100 UNITS BUILT. AND 2020 IS WHEN WE HIT A CRISIS POINT OF LIKE 2% VACANCY IN APARTMENT UNITS. AND THEN THEN WE HAD THE REACTION OF, OH, THERE'S A MARKET HERE AND WE BETTER START BUILDING. AND THEN YOU SEE JUST JUST YEAH. SO YOU SEE THE RESIDUAL EFFECT COMING NOW A FEW YEARS. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD POINT JOHN. AND NOW IT SHOULD BE THAT TREND OUT AS OH SORRY. GO AHEAD. AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I JUST THINK NEXT YEAR WE'LL SEE MORE AND MORE COME DOWN. BECAUSE AGAIN BANKS AREN'T LENDING. IF THERE'S IF THERE'S A LOT OF VACANCY IN APARTMENTS THEN THEY'RE NOT. AND THEN PRICES SHOULD ALSO SOFTEN A BIT. WE'RE A GROWING CITY AT 2%. SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WAIT A BIT. IF YOU'RE A IF YOU'RE A LANDLORD AND IF OTHER PEOPLE STOP BUILDING, THEN IT WILL CATCH UP. IT'LL BE ALL RIGHT. AND WE'VE WE'VE TALKED TO LIKE CLODOVIL, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT PANCARI AND I-15 ORCHARD PARK, WHICH WAS RIGHT BEHIND HOME DEPOT. WE ALSO HAVE TALKED TO TOCH AND GENERAL. THEY'RE TELLING US THEY'RE AT 95 TO 90%, 97% FULL. AND WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THE CENSUS DATA TO TRACK THAT. YEAH, YEAH. BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE NEW UNITS. SO THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO AS LONG AS THEY PRICE NICELY. RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S SO IT CAN SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM RIGHT.

YEAH. AND THE WHOLE THE WHOLE POINT HERE OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM ECONOMICS, YOU HAVE YOUR SUPPLY AND DEMAND CURVES. WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY SO THAT IT ACTUALLY BALANCES OUT THE RENT AND HAS THE MIXED USES.

YES. AND HAS THE MIXED USES AND ALL THAT. YEAH. SO ANYWAYS, SO I, I MAY JUST JUMP OVER TO THIS

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SO OUR POPULATION IS GROWING. WE DON'T REGULATE THE OWNER RENTER OCCUPANCY. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO VIA PROPERTY RIGHTS. WE CAN GET SUED ON THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. IT'S CALLED REDLINING. IN OUR IN OUR PROFESSION, WE CAN'T DESIGNATE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ONLY CERTAIN TYPES OF THE POPULATION CAN LIVE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT CONTROL. WE ALSO ARE REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CHOICE ELEMENT. THERE'S A PENT UP MARKET HERE. WE'RE GROWING. AND SO WHAT DO YOU DO IS YOU TRY TO FOCUS THAT REGULATORILY TOWARDS THE RIVER TOWARDS OUR CENTER. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND I THINK ONE THING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE MAYOR ABOUT WHAT I WAS PRESENTING.

SHE JUST SAID, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TEACH AS WELL BECAUSE THIS IS RECORDED. BUT I THINK ONE KEY POINT TO MAKE IS DENSITY IS NOT A SIGN OF MISMANAGEMENT OR EVEN UNCHECKED GROWTH. IT'S ACTUALLY A SIGN OF INVESTMENT IN HOUSING CHOICE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH THOSE HOUSING, THOSE HIGH DENSITY TOWARDS WHERE THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IS. AND WE DO THAT, AND WE DO THAT THROUGH PUTTING THEM CLOSER TO ARTERIALS WHERE EXISTING ELEMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE ARE. AND AGAIN, WE AREN'T BUILDING ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REGULATE. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO WE'RE JUST GUIDING. YES. AND AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO SEWER LINES, POWER LINES, STREETS, THAT COMES INCREMENTALLY AS WE BUILD. WE WILL NOT APPROVE A PERMIT OR A PLAN OR ANYTHING UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACCOMMODATED FOR. SO WHEN IT COMES TO A BIGGER SEWER LINE, THAT'S PART OF THAT PLAN REVIEW THAT I SAID PUBLIC WORKS WILL MAKE A NOTE OF IT. IT NEEDS TO EXPAND, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT INCREMENTALLY AS PROPER AND SPEAK TO TRAFFIC AS WELL. PARDON? OH YES. AND WE DO. YES. SO WHAT WHAT DOES HAPPEN. SOMEONE LIKE ORCHARD PARK COMES IN TALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF HOW TRAFFIC IS DETERMINED. BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO BRING ENOUGH CARS THAT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THINGS RIGHT. AND HAVE TO PAY FOR UPGRADES. YEAH. SO. DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC? YEAH. GO AHEAD. SINCE YOU'RE MORE INVOLVED IN IT THAN I AM. AND WE HIT ORCHARD PARK IS A GREAT EXAMPLE AND WE CAN USE IT SPECIFICALLY. SO ORCHARD PARK, IF THEY'RE GOING TO GENERATE MORE THAN 100 TRIPS PER DAY OF THE PEAK HOUR, THEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS DONE BY EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD, IS REVIEWED BY OUR STAFF THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS AND AND THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF. AND IT WILL DENOTE WHERE THERE ARE CHALLENGES, WHERE THERE ARE PROBLEMS, WHERE THERE ARE PINCH POINTS, WHETHER THAT'S A DECEL LANE THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE ADDED SOMEWHERE, OR MAYBE IT'S A LIGHTED INTERSECTION THAT SHOULD BE INSTALLED. AND WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER ON WHAT THE SCOPE OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS. SO IT'S NOT REALLY JUST LOOKING PER SE AT THEIR FRONTAGES, BUT IT'S ALSO LOOKING AT INTERSECTIONS THAT THEY WILL IMPACT THE LONG TERM DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALL PART OF IT. THAT WAS DONE EARLY ON WITH ORCHARD PARK. IT'S PART OF THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DID HAPPEN THERE, RIGHT, IS THAT YOU GUYS PRETTY MUCH DEMANDED THAT THEY PUT THAT ROAD THROUGH SO THAT IT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ON HOMES THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T NEED A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT, WAS ALREADY AS BIG AS WE WERE GOING TO GET WITHIN A CITY. AND THEN 25TH HAD JUST WAS BEING REMODELED. 25TH, THEY ADDED KURT GUTTER AND A LANE PARKING TO MAKE THAT MORE SAFE. THE SECOND LINE, YOU ALREADY HAD A LIGHTED INTERSECTION AT 25TH AND HOME, SO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WAS ALREADY IN PLACE. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE ADDED ALL OF THE PEDESTRIAN ELEMENTS AS WELL SO THAT YOU GET A MULTI-MODAL TRAFFIC. JENNIE LEE SPECIFICALLY WAS SIZED TO BE A COLLECTOR ROAD, SO A LITTLE BIT WIDER AND WE HAD A LIGHTED INTERSECTION UP BY LOWE'S AND JENNIE LEE. SO ALL OF THAT WAS ALREADY SORT OF MANAGED. SO THAT'S WHY THEY REALLY JUST HAD TO ADD IN JENNIE LEE AND THEN MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO 25TH. AND I THINK THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS NOT ONLY DID THEY HAVE TO DO THOSE THINGS RIGHT AND SPEND THOSE DOLLARS, BUT THEY ALSO SEEMS LIKE THEY BUILT THAT ROAD TWICE TOO. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SOMETHING WENT WRONG.

THEY DID IT TWICE. YEAH. ANYWAY, THEY ALSO HAD TO PAY IMPACT FEES, RIGHT? AND SO EACH ONE OF

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RIGHT. GREAT. YEAH. BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY DOESN'T CONSIDER THE OTHER EFFECTS, LIKE THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE NOT GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT'S BEING CONVERTED INTO A COLLECTOR, NOT BY PLAN. RIGHT? RIGHT BY REALITY. IT DOESN'T LOOK AT THAT ELEMENT. RIGHT. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING. I MEAN, YOU COULD SEE A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MAYBE USED TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HOMES AND THEN ACCESS WHICH HOMES IS AN ARTERIAL, BUT NOW THEY CAN ACCESS OTHER, WHETHER IT'S EMPLOYMENT OR DAILY GOODS AND SERVICES ON JENNIE LEE BY GOING UP JENNIE LEE AND MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS. SO WE ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOT SOME IMPROVEMENT TO THE ARTERIAL BECAUSE THOSE CARS WENT DOWN A COLLECTOR ROAD INSTEAD. AND YES, WE DON'T NORMALLY TALK ABOUT THAT OR KIND OF THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE POSITIVES THAT WE GET. WE ALSO TOOK A LOT OF PRESSURE OFF OF CRAIG AVENUE. YEAH, RIGHT. MOVING IT OVER. THOSE PEOPLE LIVE ON CRAIG HAVE SEEN THEIR TRAFFIC GO DOWN PROBABLY 75%. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY A RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT BECAME, BY DEFAULT A COLLECTOR. YES. WHICH IN THE GOOGLE AGE OF MAPPING HAS BECOME A PROBLEM THROUGHOUT SOME CITIES. RIGHT. THAT GOOGLE IS GOOD AT FINDING BETTER ROUTES THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT'S CAUSED SOME NEIGHBORHOODS TO BECOME ROUTES, UNFORTUNATELY. YEAH. SO IN TERMS OF HOUSING OPTIONS, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE QUICKLY. AND THIS MAP I'LL JUST ADDRESS THIS IS SHOWING THE WE WHAT WE DID IS IN OUR DEPARTMENT, WE HAD OUR GIS ANALYSTS LOOK AT THE VARIOUS PROJECTS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY ABOUT WHERE TOWNHOMES MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING ON. AND THIS MAP, ALL IT SHOWS IS THE BEAUTY THAT WE'RE SHOWING IS IT'S NOT CONCENTRATED AND THAT WE'RE FOCUSING IN ON THIS INNER CORE. WE'RE NOT FOCUSING IT ALL ON THE WEST SIDE, OR WE'RE FOCUSING IT ALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IT'S BEING DISPERSED THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY, WITH THE MAJORITY OF IT COMING IN RIGHT HERE BY THE RIVER. SO IT'S IT'S WORKING. IT'S WORKING. IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY QUITE WONDERFUL TO SEE THAT, THAT THERE'S NOW SOME HOUSING CHOICE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE. AND YOU THINK OF WHO CAN LIVE HERE NOW. THERE'S MULTIPLE FACETS OF OUR POPULATION THAT CAN LIVE HERE.

AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND. SO THESE ARE JUST KEY POINTS THAT WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, LIKE WE ARE LOOKING AT CONCENTRATED AREAS OF THE CITY FOR LIKE WALKABLE CENTERS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE IT. KERRY AND HIS TEAM ARE LOOKING AT THAT CODE REVISION. WE'VE BEEN OUT DOING STUDIES ON CERTAIN AREAS AND LOOKING AT THAT. AND THEN WE ALSO ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT FOCUS OF FOCUSING DOWN TOWARDS THE RIVER AND PROVIDING HOUSING CHOICE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO IN REGARDS TO HOW WE'RE MEETING THIS PRIORITY, WE'VE WORKED VERY HEAVILY TO DE-RIG, AND WE'RE TRYING TO LET THE MARKET BUILD WHAT IT'S GOING TO BUILD.

WE ARE CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE HOUSING MARKET, AND IF WE IF WE NEED TO ADJUST CODE, WE CAN WE CAN DO SO TO REMOVE EITHER BARRIERS OR, OR MAYBE IN PROCESSES TO MAKE SURE THAT HOUSING IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AT AN EFFICIENT AND AFFORDABLE MANNER. ONE THING THAT WE STILL DO HAVE A LITTLE OUTSTANDING, JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT, IS THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS AS STAFF IN REGARDS TO THIS. IT WAS IDA HOME IS WHAT IT WAS IN THE PAST THAT THAT COMMITTEE WAS FORMED TO ADDRESS MISSING MIDDLE SPECIFICALLY AND HELP US WITH THE CODE FOR THAT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT IT WOULD BE ASSEMBLED OF SOME PAST MEMBERS, BUT ALSO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DEAL PRIMARILY WITH HOUSING, LIKE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS, BUILDERS, AND ALSO JUST GET A LOT MORE INPUT ON WATCHING THOSE HOUSING TRENDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING AFOUL OF OF THE MARKET AND THAT WE'RE PREVENTING THINGS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE FORMED. WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. WE MET JUST THIS MORNING AS PLANNERS. AGAIN, I'VE MET WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ON THIS AS WELL TO START LOOKING AT HOW TO FORMULATE THAT. SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, BUT IN TERMS OF DIVERSIFYING OUR HOUSING STOCK, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT PIECES IN PLACE. AND NOW WE'RE JUST WATCHING IT MOVE AND AND GO.

YOU TALK ABOUT CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE MARKET, THE HOUSING MARKET. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT

[01:15:06]

AND THE DEVELOPERS START, THEY'LL, THEY'LL TRY TO PUSH EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, TO THE LIMIT. RIGHT. THEY'LL, THEY'LL TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE A DOLLAR. RIGHT. THAT'S THEIR THING. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A WAY TO ALSO OUR CODE, AS A WAY TO PROTECT THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. RIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT WAS A THAT WAS A YEAH, A REAL POINT OF THE ELECTION TOO, THAT PROTECTING THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH. SURE. THAT IS ONE THAT I MEAN, AND MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO HAVE IT, BUT IF IF THERE'S AN IDENTIFIED LIKE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S LIKE, HOW DO WE DEFINE ESTABLISHED AND WHAT WHAT THE SETBACK OR WHAT THE LAND USE OR ANYTHING UP AGAINST AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT IS EVER TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE, BUT IT BUFFERS AGAINST ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, IS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, A TWO STORY LOOKING DOWN INTO AN EXISTING LIKE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. WELL, WE COULD HAVE THAT. EVEN IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, RIGHT? A SINGLE FAMILY COULD STILL BE TWO STORIES. SO IT ISN'T NECESSARILY THAT. YEAH, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE THE TWO STORY, BUT HERE'S THIS. YEAH, THIS ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN THERE MORE THAN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAY FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS WHEN WE DID THAT MOST RECENT PUD ALONG, ANDERSON, THEY WERE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. I FELT OKAY ABOUT THEIR VARIANCE BECAUSE IT WAS BACKING A PARKING LOT. ALL RIGHT. YOU STILL HAD A BIG, BIG BARRIER.

THERE WAS PLENTY OF BARRIER THERE. BUT I JUST WONDER ABOUT IF IF THERE WAS EVER A MECHANISM FOR ESTABLISHED. WELL, NO, WE DID DO THIS THOUGH, AT ORCHARD PARK BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO R3 UP AGAINST. YEAH WE DID WE, WE R1 AND WE AND WE SAID LET'S GO, LET'S ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. LET'S ONLY ALLOW R2. RIGHT. AND AND IT WORKED. RIGHT. I MEAN IT'S WORKING, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT CONSIDERATION. RIGHT. YEAH.

YEAH. VERY GOOD INSIGHT. YOU CAN YOU CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. BUT I ALSO THINK THE MARKET LIMITS THAT YOU GUYS DEAL WITH DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME. ALL OF US KNOW THEM. THEY DON'T WANT TO BATTLE WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT? RIGHT. EXACTLY. THEY THEY TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THEM. AND IN THIS CASE, IT WAS JUST SUCH A RIGHT SPOT, EXCEPT FOR THE EAST SIDE HAD ONE ORDER OF NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. AND SO IT IS WORTH IT PROBABLY FOR THEM IN THAT SCENARIO, BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAD RETAIL TO SOUTH PARK TO THE NORTH, AND THEN A COLLECTOR ON THE, ON THE WEST. SO IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD PLACE. IF THERE WASN'T JUST THE ONE TODAY. YEAH. IT'S FASCINATING. THAT'S WHERE YOU ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE THINKING OF SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE DEALING WITH THIS FOR SOME REPRESENTATIVE ZONES. SOME PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO REALLY HAVE GOOD THOUGHTS ABOUT THE EFFECT IT HAS IN LIVING IN R1 NEXT TO IT. AND NOT THAT THEY DON'T. THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE TO THE MORE DENSE HOUSING, BUT THE SETBACK BECOMES SOMETHING FOR THEM. THEY THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, AS WE KNOW, ARE GREAT VOLUNTEERS AND HAVE IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE EFFECTIVE. I THINK THE ORIGINAL NEED FOR THE IDA HOMES WAS FOR WE'VE GOT THIS GOING. YEAH, IT'S THE NEXT STEP OF THAT. I ALSO THINK IDAHO JUST HAVING REPRESENTATION SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE, BECAUSE THE NEXT STEP WE HAVE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH CATHERINE IS WORKING ON. OTHER. BECAUSE WHAT ARE THE LEVERS WE CAN PULL THERE AND WHAT CAN'T WE. YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T CITIES AREN'T NECESSARILY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. BUT I DO THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LOVE WITH SOME OF THIS, THAT I WALKED AWAY FROM THE ELECTION THINKING, IS THAT WE MAKE SO MANY OF OUR LAND USE DECISIONS IN SILOS, RIGHT? SO WE MAKE THEM INDIVIDUALLY ON A THURSDAY NIGHT. RIGHT? SO WE SEE ONE THING, BUT WE HARDLY EVER COME BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE HAD DONE. SO ONCE A QUARTER OR ONCE A YEAR, TWICE A YEAR, COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, YOU DID THESE THINGS. THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU APPROVE. AND P

[01:20:05]

RIGHT. SO THEY LOOK AT THAT AND BANKS ARE EVEN LIMITING THAT. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE LENDING SIDE OF IT. RIGHT. WHAT WHAT LENDERS ARE GOING TO PROVIDE. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MISSING IN THAT EQUATION THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND AS FAR AS WHY BUILDERS ARE ARE BUILDING CERTAIN PRODUCTS AND NOT OTHERS? I AGREE, THAT'S THE QUESTION I KEPT TRYING TO COME BACK TO.

WHAT IS IT? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE ALREADY PROVIDING PLENTY OF ROOM IN THE CODE TO BUILD OUR ONE ALL DAY LONG, RIGHT? THERE'S PLENTY. YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING TO FIND THAT DEVELOPER WHO WILL WILL BUILD SINGLE UNIT DETACHED AS WELL AS SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED, AS WELL AS A TRIPLEX AND A MIXED USE BUILDING WITH SERVICES. AND LIKE FINDING THAT SPECIFIC DEVELOPER THAT HAS THAT SKILL SET IS REALLY CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS.

I MEAN, I THINK MOST COMMUNITIES HAVE 1 OR 2 DEVELOPERS LIKE THAT. YEAH.

THERE'S A PERCEPTION IN THE COMMUNITY THAT SOMEHOW COUNCIL IN THE CITY CAN JUST SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT YOU TO BUILD, RIGHT? AND THAT SOMEHOW THAT THAT MAGIC WAND, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S REALITY. I HAVE SEEN SOME YOU SAY NO TO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST SAY NO BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE A CERTAIN PRODUCT TYPE. WE CAN'T SELL IN THE WHOLE CITY OR ONE.

RIGHT? RIGHT. SOME COMMUNITIES WILL REQUIRE A PERCENTAGE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'VE GOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACREAGE, A PERCENTAGE HAS TO BE SINGLE UNIT, BUT A PERCENTAGE ALSO HAS TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. WE COULD ALWAYS EXPLORE STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT THERE AGAIN WE'RE SO FAR IN SOME WAYS YOU'RE GETTING IN THE WAY OF THE MARKET AND YOU'RE GETTING IN WAY OF WHAT THAT DEVELOPER MIGHT. WHAT IS THEIR SKILL SET OR WHAT TYPE OF TO BUILD. RIGHT.

AND ONE OF OUR ISSUES RIGHT NOW IS AFFORDABILITY. AND ALL THAT'S GOING TO DO TO DRIVE THE PRICE UP. RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. INCLUSIONARY ZONING. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S YEAH, IT'S A DIFFICULT PROBLEM. AND I THINK SOME OF IT IS A FUNDAMENTAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE AND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T INTRUDE ON. AND THERE'S THERE'S A WHOLE FIFTH AMENDMENT IN OUR FEDERAL

[01:25:03]

BUT THAT'S REALLY HARD TO RE THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, REALLY AFFECTING WHAT IS BEING DONE. AND THE PUD DISCUSSION IS INTERESTING IN THAT WHY DO WE NEED THEM? IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM, THEN WHY NOT PUT THEM IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, AND SEE HOW WE CAN HELP THEM BE MORE STANDARD. BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE PERFECT AND THERE ARE NEEDS FOR THEM, I THINK. BUT I JUST WORRY THAT THOSE PEOPLE THINK, OH, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICES IN 50 YEARS. THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT, OH NO, YOU'RE PROVIDING YOUR OWN ROAD PLOWING, YOU KNOW. AND SO ANYWAY, IT'S ALL VERY FASCINATING. BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING ABOUT HAVING A FEW MEETINGS A YEAR TO JUST KIND OF REFLECT AND KIND OF GET A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE DECIDING IS I THINK WE'D GET MORE CONSISTENT CHOICES IN THE FUTURE. IF YOU'RE POINTED OUT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN CHOSEN AND SORRY WE'VE LEFT YOU BECAUSE WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, WE DO THAT AND SORRY WE'VE LEFT YOU OUT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WELL, I THINK WE'RE SEEN AS A PRETTY EXPERIENCED GROUP, AND I THINK THAT GROUP YOU'RE PROBABLY TRYING TO TEACH CONSISTENTLY BECAUSE YOU GET PEOPLE ON AND OFF, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU DO HAVE IT'S AN INTERESTING GROUP IN PNC WHERE YOU HAVE A FORMER CITY ATTORNEY. YEAH. AND THAT'S AN INTERESTING GROUP THERE. WE TRY TO GET AN ECLECTIC MIX OF PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE DON'T DO IT BY ZOOM LIKE WE JUST WE HAVE ONE THAT'S MOVING THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WORKS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND HAVING THAT INSIGHT IS PHENOMENAL. MARGARET WAS THERE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. MARGARET. YEAH, IT'S JUST REALLY GOOD TO HAVE A WHOLE SLEW OF THE POPULATIONS. THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DISCONNECTED, HOW WE STATE STATUTE DISCONNECTS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FROM THE CITY, RIGHT? ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT US TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS ON SCHOOLS, AND WE REALLY CAN'T.

AND THEY'RE A STATE ENTITY. YES. AND LIKE. YES, EXACTLY. THEY HAVE TO REACT TO US, NOT US THEM. AND WE TRY TO WE LIKE I DO MEET WITH DISTRICT 91. WE PROVIDE DATA TO THEM. BUT IN THE END WHEN IT COMES WE HEAR THAT A LOT. WELL ARE YOU ACCOMMODATING SCHOOLS? SHORT ANSWER IS NO BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REALLY ACCOMMODATES THAT GROWTH. THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THEN THEY'LL SAY WE NEED A SCHOOL HERE, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT TO THAT WORK. YEAH, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD ADVOCATE AND TRY TO TELL THE STORY THAT WE WOULD ALL BE INTERESTED IN IMPACT FEES, ALLOWING FOR SCHOOL COLLECTION, AND THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE SHOULD MAYBE CONSIDER HOW TO DO THAT. IT WOULDN'T PAY FOR SCHOOL, BUT IT COULD HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS OF THE LEGISLATURE AND SOME I'M THINKING OF. I'M SORRY. GOING BACK TO THAT SCHOOL DISCUSSION, SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS ARE ACCOMMODATING FOR THAT. SO THE IV WOULD DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF WHERE I LIVE ON 65TH, THEY'VE ACCOMMODATED A SCHOOL SITE RIGHT THERE, AND THAT WAS PART OF THEIR SUBDIVISION. AND SO THEY'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND LEFT PROPERTY FOR A SCHOOL THAT THE SCHOOL. NO, THE SCHOOL HAD PURCHASED IT PRIOR TO THEIR PLANNING, BUT THEY WERE ACCOMMODATING FOR THAT POTENTIAL GROWTH TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS WHAT I MEANT. PROBABLY MESSED UP THAT. BUT YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO ANYWAYS, YEAH SO THAT'S OUR HOUSING PRIORITY. THESE NEXT TWO WILL I'LL GO THROUGH THESE IF YOU DON'T MIND. I'LL GO THROUGH THESE RELATIVELY QUICKLY. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO PARK STANDARDS. AND WE HAVE BEEN I MEAN I KNOW WE'VE BEEN ASKING YOU A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS. I'M JUST WONDERING OH YEAH. GIVE ME A SENSE OF YEAH. THESE NEXT TWO WILL BE VERY QUICK. YEAH. AND IS THAT IT. YES. NO THANK YOU. WE DON'T HAVE THE IN FRONT OF US, SO I'M JUST NEXT TO HER OKAY. SO I'LL JUST MENTION IN 2013 THERE WAS A BACKGROUND STUDY THAT WAS DONE. PART OF THE IMPACT FEE THEY STUDY. THEY DESIGNATED DIFFERENT PARK TYPES.

AND SO WE DID AN ANALYSIS THROUGH THIS. AND WE BASICALLY TOOK THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, ASSESSED WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF PARKS. AND THEN WE EXTRAPOLATED THAT. IF YOU REMEMBER FROM IMAGINE IF WE BROKE UP THE CITY INTO FIVE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO NOW WE WENT THROUGH EACH, I CALL THEM AREAS, BUT EACH AREA AND WHERE WE'RE LACKING IN SOME PARKS. SO TO ADDRESS THAT, THIS IS HOW WE'RE MEETING THIS PRIORITY. DIRECTOR HOLMES AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING EXTENSIVELY ON THIS VERY ITEM ON HOW TO ADDRESS THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW PARKS AND LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT PARK STANDARDS. SO JUST TO UPDATE YOU WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.

[01:30:03]

SO PUBLIC ZONE ALSO INCLUDES A POWER RELAYS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS. SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT. AND THE SHORT OF IT IS AS WE'VE TALKED TO KIRKHAM WHEN HE WAS HERE, IS THAT PARKS ARE A DIFFERENT ENTITY AND WE COULD CREATE A SEPARATE ZONE FOR THEM. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE PARKS STANDARDS FOR A NEW PARK AND DOING SOME OF OUR RESEARCH. I, I HATE TO SAY IT, WE FOUND THAT MOST COMMUNITIES ACTUALLY HOLD PARKS TO THE COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL STANDARDS. WE DIDN'T FIND THAT TO BE THAT DIFFERENT.

SO WHAT MY TASK IS, IS IT'S NOW ON ME AND THAT GO THROUGH. AND IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP A NEW PARK OR CREATE A BULLET POINT OF STANDARDS THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO, AND THEN PARKS IS GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S EVALUATE IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A NEW PARK. IF WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THESE DIFFERENT TYPES, WHAT WILL THAT MEAN? WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO FLEXIBILITY IN THAT. HOWEVER, I'LL JUST BE OPEN THAT. THE THE HARD PART FOR US IS ZONING IN ITS BASE IS RATHER RIGID, AND THAT FLEXIBILITY OF HOW TO TIER THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH. SO WE'RE STILL WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOME TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY IN THAT. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN THAT PROCESS. AND I FIND THAT FASCINATING. I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGE AND A PUZZLE THAT WILL BE FASCINATING FOR YOU AS WELL. BUT I DO WONDER THE DIFFERENCE FOR THESE CITIES THAT AREN'T DOING THAT, ARE HOLDING THEM TO COMMERCIAL STANDARDS IS HOW DO WE THINK COMMERCIAL GETS THE PRIVILEGE OF MORTGAGING 30 YEARS? SO THEY GET THAT PRIVILEGE TO SPREAD THE COST WHERE WE CAN'T INDEBT A FUTURE COUNCIL. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS DIVERGES. AND WE HAVE TO FIND SOLUTIONS. YEAH, IT'S IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX THAN THE PGA. AND I THOUGHT AND WE ARE A LITTLE BIT REINVENTING THE WHEEL. WE'VE LOOKED AROUND THE STATE TRIED TO FIND THINGS OR CODES THAT WOULD HELP US. AND WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING. SO SO WE'RE JUST WORKING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT I SAY TO THAT IS WE CAN BE LEADING EDGE. IF WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT, WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT. NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY ELSE IS DOING, IT WILL BE THE ONE THAT GETS IT'S RIGHT. AND THEY'LL SAY, HOW DO I DO THAT? SO WELL, YEAH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE SNAKE RIVER PRIORITY. I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. SO THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT ANECDOTAL, BUT BONNEVILLE COUNTY WAS VERY GREAT. THEY THEY KNEW THAT WE WERE LOOKING ON TAKING ON THIS. AND AUSTIN BLACK APPROACHED ME AND WE TALKED THROUGH THEY WOULD LIKE THE RIVER, SOMETHING IN THE RIVER FROM COUNTY LINE TO COUNTY LINE. SO THROUGH THAT, WE HAD INITIATED OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH AN MOU, A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY, PRIMARILY PRESERVING A 75 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE RIVER. AND THE REASON IT'S 75FT IN THE MOU IS BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR SETBACK FROM THE RIVER. SO WE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE COUNTY STANDARD. THAT IS THE FIRST PIECE. CURRENTLY, THEIR LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAME BACK AND HAD SOME REVISIONS FOR US. WE REVIEWED IT AND SENT IT BACK TO THE COUNTY AND ACTUALLY MEETING WITH AUSTIN ON THURSDAY TO ADDRESS THIS MOU. I WAS HOPING TO GET IT TO YOU BY THE END OF THE YEAR. IT MAY BE PUSHED INTO JANUARY DEPENDING, SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT. JUST THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO OF US. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE MOU IS THE FIRST PIECE AND THEN WITH THE NEXT PIECE IS IN 2026, WE WANT TO START DOING AN EVALUATION OF WHAT'S ALONG THE RIVER AND THE EXISTING ZONING ALONG THE RIVER. THEN WE'LL BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE WORK SESSIONS THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD BE LOOKING POTENTIALLY AT THE BUDGET OF 2027, THAT WE WOULD EITHER LOOK AT A FULL RIVER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OR WE COULD DO AN OVERLAY. THE ISSUE ARISES IS IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT INPUT FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT MAY REQUIRE MORE OF A PLANNING ELEMENT SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT BASE RIGHT, TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THERE SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT REGULATION MORE COMPREHENSIVELY ON TOP OF IT. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT. I'M JUST TALKING VERY MUCH IN THE FUTURE. BUT THAT'S THE MOU IS THE FIRST PIECE THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. IT'S A HUGE WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE COUNTY FOR HELPING US WITH THAT, AND IT JUST SHOWS THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY VERY CLOSELY AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD PARTNERS WITH US. BUT WE'LL KEEP YOU INFORMED AS WE GET MORE DATA AND AS AND WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A

[01:35:02]

[Mayor, City Council]

MICHELLE, I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION OUR UTV LIGHT PARADE, WHICH IS COMING UP ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER 19TH, STARTING AT 7 P.M. AT FREEMAN PARK. SO THE PARADE DOES HAVE A NEW ROUTE ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVERWALK TO THE BRIDGE AND BACK UP THE WEST SIDE OF THE OF THE RIVERWALK TO FREEMAN PARK. COUNCILMEMBER FRANCIS, ARE THOSE SPOTS FILLED UP? I THINK THEY ARE, AREN'T THEY? SO WHAT THE REGISTRATION? I THINK THAT OUR SPOTS ARE FILLED UP, ARE THEY NOT? THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. UTV YEAH, I THINK THAT I THINK THEY ARE SO.

ANYWAY, WE'D LOVE TO SEE EVERYBODY OUT THERE. THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE SOME ON SITE FOOD COLLECTING DONATION LOCATIONS FOR COMMUNITY FOOD BASKET. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO BRING SOME CANNED FOODS TO YOUR FAMILY DOWN OR SOME BOXED ITEMS LIKE MACARONI AND PASTA, I KNOW THEY APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE HAD INCREDIBLE WEATHER SO FAR. I MEAN, I'M NOT EVEN WEARING A COAT TODAY, SO HOPEFULLY THAT STICKS AROUND FOR THE NEXT 11 DAYS. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ON DECEMBER 19TH. WE NEED SOME SNOW. THE ONE THING I HAVE THAT AND YOU ALL HAVE THIS IN YOUR CALENDARS, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S OPENING STATION SIX WITH A RIBBON CUTTING AT 10 A.M. ON THE 22ND. TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS. WHAT'S THAT 2020 SECOND? I FORGOT I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT IT WAS. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STATION SIX RIBBON CUTTING. I WILL ACTUALLY BE OUT OF TOWN THE 20TH THROUGH THE 27TH, SO I WILL MISS A FEW OF THOSE. BUT I WILL LET I'VE LET CHIEF RADFORD KNOW, AND I WILL LET CHIEF JOHNSON KNOW ABOUT THE IMPD SWEARING IN ON THE CALENDAR. IT DOES SHOW THE 12TH IS THE IDA BOARD MEETING. I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT'S BEEN CANCELED NOW. AND WE ALSO DON'T HAVE OUR BOARD MEETING ON THE 17TH. OH DANG IT. OH, AND COUNCILOR LARSON HAS SOMETHING AS WELL. OH, YOU MEAN LIKE, RIGHT NOW TO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION HE IS ON. OH OKAY OKAY I OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY

[01:40:01]

IT'S NEXT TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY IN SALT LAKE. WHO ALL IS GOING TO. FREEMAN? OKAY. THE MAYOR.

IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THEM THERE. YES IT WAS, IT WAS EVERYONE AT THE PEKING CLUB. OKAY. COUNCIL

[Executive Session]

DINGMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. RADFORD. BURTENSHAW. YES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, LET'S JUST TRY. AND EITHER. FIVE MINU

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