[Call to Order and Roll Call]
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AUDIO IS ON. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. I WILL NOTE THAT COUNCILOR LARSON, HAVING NOTIFIED ALL OF HIS COLLEAGUES VERY EFFECTIVELY, IS NOT HERE TODAY. HE IS ON A HE'S ON TRAVEL. PERSONAL TRAVEL. CITY COUNCILOR MICHELLE DINGMAN HAS JOINED US VIRTUALLY. AND SHE YOU'LL HEAR HER VOICE WHEN THE ROLL IS CALLED. BUT SHE WON'T BE HERE IN THE ROOM. MICHELLE, YOU KNOW HOW I TEND TO FORGET TO REFER TO THE PERSON ONLINE.
SO JUMP IN WHENEVER YOU NEED TO AND WE WILL CONSIDER IT. WE'LL CONSIDER IT A PRIVILEGE TO BE INTERRUPTED. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A BLANK SHEET OVER HERE FOR COUNCILOR RADFORD. HE HAD SENT A MESSAGE SAYING THAT HE DID HAVE A LAST MINUTE PERSONNEL ISSUE THAT HE HAD TO DEAL WITH, AND THAT HE WOULD JOIN US IN PERSON WHEN THAT WRAPS UP. SO, EMILY, I THAT WAS ON MY PHONE AFTER YOU WALKED AWAY. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL INVITE OUR CITY CLERK, EMILY GEISLER, TO CALL THE ROLL. THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE. I'LL NOTE COUNCILOR RADFORD FOR NOW. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FRANCIS HERE.
COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THE QUORUM IS ONE
[Human Resources with City Attorney]
MORE THAN HALF. AND SO FOUR PEOPLE REQUIRED TO MAKE OUR QUORUM. ALL RIGHT, SO THE VERY FIRST ITEM IS COMING TO US FROM HUMAN RESOURCES. THIS IS A MATTER DEALING WITH OUR PERSONNEL POLICY MANUAL. AND AS YOU GUYS WILL RECALL, THIS REQUIRES A 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD AFTER IT'S BEEN PRESENTED. AND THEN AFTER THAT COUNCIL CAN TAKE ACTION. BUT IT STARTS WITH COUNCIL BEING NOTIFIED. AND THIS ALSO PUTS EMPLOYEES ON NOTICE IN A WAY THAT THAT THIS IS BEING CONSIDERED. SO I'LL LET YOU REFINE ANYTHING I SAID AND GO ON AND TEACH US WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO REVISE. THANK YOU MAYOR. ONE OF THE POLICIES THAT WE HOPE TO CHANGE IS POLICY. 330 DRUG AND ALCOHOL FREE WORKPLACE. THAT POLICY HAS PROVISIONS TO ALLOW DRUG TESTING, BOTH PRE-EMPLOYMENT AND THEN RANDOM DRUG TESTING FOR ANY POSITIONS THAT REQUIRE A CDL. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GIFT IS GOING TO BRING SOME EMPLOYEES INTO IN-HOUSE. SO WE WOULD EMPLOY THEM, THEY WOULD BE OUR EMPLOYEES AND HAVE OUR OWN VEHICLES, AND THEY WOULD BE DRIVING. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY NEED TO HAVE PRE-EMPLOYMENT AND RANDOM DRUG TESTING. SO WE'RE MODIFYING, EXCUSE ME, MODIFYING THAT POLICY SO THAT IT ALLOWS FOR THAT GROUP OF EMPLOYEES TO HAVE DRUG TESTS, PRE-EMPLOYMENT RANDOM DRUG TESTING. WE ALSO MAKE CORRECTIONS THAT SOMEONE POINTED OUT WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT, THAT WE PUT THE DECIMAL POINT IN THE WRONG SPOT FOR THE BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT.WE WOULD HAVE DRAFTED THAT UP LAST JANUARY, SO WE CORRECTED THAT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT. IT'S ABOUT ALL OF THEM ACTUALLY.
I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THIS SUMMARY OF CHANGES RIGHT AT THE FIRST OF THE DOCUMENT. REALLY. SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO GO AND LOOK. SO YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE ACTUAL POLICIES HAVE THE THE CHANGING CHANGE TRACKING ON IN EITHER BLUE OR RED. THEY SHOW UP THAT WAY. THE NEXT ONE UNDER LEAVE PRACTICES WE UPDATED THE LANGUAGE THERE BECAUSE WE HAD SOME EMPLOYEES THAT WERE GETTING CONFUSED. IF THEY HAD A PERSONAL LEGAL MATTER THAT THEY HAD TO ATTEND TO. AND THE WAY THAT THAT POLICY READ CONFUSED AT LEAST SOME EMPLOYEES ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD GET PAID TIME FOR ATTENDING TO A PERSONAL LEGAL MATTER, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE. SO WE JUST CLARIFIED THAT LANGUAGE TO TRY TO REDUCE ANY CONFUSION THERE. IF IF IT'S WORK RELATED, A POLICE OFFICER THAT NEEDS TO SHOW UP AT COURT AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY DID THAT THAT IS STILL COVERED. THERE'S NO CHANGES TO WHAT OUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN, JUST CLARIFICATION, THE WORDING, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ONE. THE AND THEN FINALLY THE POLICY 500 SALARY SCHEDULE PAY GRADE POINT FACTORY. WE UPDATED THE EFFECTIVE DATES. WHEN WE PUT THIS OUT IN JANUARY, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM NOW WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF A CHANGE, LIKE A PROMOTION OR A PAY CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PAY PERIOD, AND HAVE SINCE LEARNED THAT THE SYSTEM CAN'T HANDLE THAT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY CONFIGURED. WORKDAY WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT, SO WE'LL BE BACK WITH THE CHANGE ON THIS ONE ONCE WE'RE LIVE ON WORKDAY TO CHANGE IT BACK. BUT BASICALLY WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE LANGUAGE FROM THE EXACT DAY THAT OF AN EFFECTIVE DATE TO THE CHANGE WILL HAPPEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT PAY PERIOD. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? THEN THE
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THE INTENT WILL BE TO SEND THIS OUT VIA EMAIL TO ALL EMPLOYEES AND GIVE THEM 30 DAYS TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK TO TAKE AND CONSIDER THAT FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATE IT WHERE WE CAN, AND BRING IT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AND I THINK THAT WILL BE IN IN TIMING FOR THE NEEDS OF THE GIFT PROGRAM. OKAY. IF IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT COME FROM THE EMPLOYEES COMMENT PERIOD. DO WE HAVE TO EXTEND THAT PERIOD OR JUST MAKE THOSE CHANGES? AND THEN IF WE AGREE WITH THEM THEN THEN THEY'RE GOOD. WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAID, HEY, YOU SPELLED THAT WORD WRONG, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO IN AND FIX IT. IF THEY HAVE A COMMENT ON HOW THE POLICY SHOULD LOOK, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT. DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. WE'LL SUMMARIZE THEIR COMMENTS AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND BRING BACK A REVISED VERSION IF APPROPRIATE. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO REVISE IT, AT LEAST WE'LL BRING BACK A SUMMARY OF THEIR COMMENTS WHEN WE ASK FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON THAT. OKAY, SO WHAT WE, I THINK HAVE DONE ONCE BEFORE AND ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING RIGHT NOW IS THIS IF AND IN THE MIDDLE OF IS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE IT HAS A SIMILAR PROVISION RIGHT PRESENTED TO COUNCIL 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD. AND THEN THE CHIEF PUTS SOMETHING OUT. THE DEPARTMENT, THE EMPLOYEES HAVE COMMENTED AND HAD CONVERSATION, GOT THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND NOTHING IS BEING CHANGED. SO IT'S GOING STRAIGHT TO THURSDAY NIGHT'S AGENDA. BUT HAD THERE BEEN A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE THAT REQUIRED A LITTLE MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COUNCIL THAN IT WOULD COME TO THIS MEETING FIRST BEFORE IT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL, BEFORE IT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL? IS THAT STILL OKAY, OR IS THERE SOME DIFFERENT OTHER PROCESS YOU WOULD PREFER? WELL, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF IT HAD TO HAVE ANOTHER 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD IF WE MADE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. SO I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. IF WE HAVE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, WE'LL BRING IT TO A WORK SESSION. AND NO, I DID VERIFY THAT THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS. THERE'S 130 DAY PERIOD FOR COMMENTS. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, I PROBABLY HAD THE SAME QUESTION OVER AGAIN. BUT I DID HEAR I MEAN, I VERIFIED IT WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. LAST TIME I WAS SAYING I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR UMPIRES AND REFEREES. SO DOES THIS REVERSION BACK MEAN THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE FIRST OF THE NEXT MONTH BEFORE THEY WOULD GET PAID FOR THEIR QUESTION? MAKE SENSE? NO, FOR GETTING PAID. THIS IS DIFFERENT.THIS WOULD BE A CHANGE TO THEIR STATUS IN SOME WAY, TO THEIR PAY RATE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THAT CHANGE CAN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT PAY PERIOD. OKAY. AND THE PAY PERIOD IS EVERY TWO WEEKS. SO IF WE HIRED A REFEREE, THEY WOULD GENERALLY START AT THE BEGINNING OF A PAY PERIOD. I MARK, CAN WE START THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAY PERIOD? I JUST KNOW WE CAN'T CHANGE THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAY PERIOD.
THE EXISTING EMPLOYEES CANNOT CHANGE DURING. YEAH, BUT WE CAN START A NEW EMPLOYEE AND IF THERE'S A START DATE OKAY. YEAH. I GUESS THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT SOME OF THEM SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GOT THEIR CHECK. BUT YEAH. OKAY. AND I RECOGNIZE MARK AND MEGAN ARE BOTH HERE. IF THERE'S ANY IF YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS INTO THAT BEYOND WHAT I SHARED, YOU WANT THEM TO SHARE THEIR NEW. THEY CAN START AT ANY TIME. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS? MICHELLE. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT? NOPE. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I SHOULD ALSO JUST SAY THAT DIRECTOR JONES HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY HELPFUL WITH THE THE WORKING WITH THE STAFF IN THE PUBLIC WORKS. WASTEWATER DIVISION, AND I WANT HIM TO BE PUBLICLY RECOGNIZED FOR THE EXTRA TIME AND CARE AND COMPASSION THAT HE'S BEEN SHARING. SO THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH WE HAVE MUNICIPAL SERVICES TODAY ON DISPLAY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT MUNICIPAL SERVICES WILL BE PRESENTING A FOCUS REPORT. THEY ENDED UP BEING OKAY. I'M SORRY.
[ERR Executive Committee]
I'M OUT OF ORDER. WE ARE DOING ERP FIRST, BUT THEN WE'LL GET TO. I'M GONNA TURN IT TO YOU THEN TO TALK ABOUT THE UPDATE. THANK YOU. MARK. ALL RIGHT. MY PURPOSE TODAY IS TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON HOW THE PROJECT IS GOING, AND THEN ALSO TALK ABOUT OUR CHANGE ORDER REQUEST AND THE PROCESS. SO JUST TO GIVE AN UPDATE, ALSO JUST TO REMIND WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE PURPOSE[00:10:08]
OF THIS SYSTEM UPGRADE IS TO MODERNIZE THE HR AND FINANCE AND THE WORKFLOW OF OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. THAT IS OVER 25 YEARS OLD RIGHT NOW. WE'RE ON TRACK TO GO LIVE IN JUNE OF 2026, AND OUR WORKDAY IS RIGHT. ARE THE PRODUCTS THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING AND STRATA IS THE IMPLEMENTATION PARTNER. AND THEN WHITLOCK IS OUR CONSULTING QUALITY ASSURANCE PARTNER. SO THOSE ARE THE GROUPS THAT WE'RE WORKING WORKING WITH US ON THIS PROJECT. WE'VE COMPLETED OUR FOUNDATIONAL ALIGNMENT SESSIONS, WHICH IS ALIGNING WHAT WORKDAY HAS TO OFFER WITH WHAT OUR PROCESSES ARE. AND WE ALIGN THOSE TOGETHER TO TO MAKE THAT PROCESS WITHIN THE SYSTEM.RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING THE CUSTOMER CONFIRMATION SESSIONS. CAN YOU SHARE THE CITY? THAT WASN'T ME. NO, IT REALLY WASN'T. IT CAME FROM UP THERE. OKAY I PROMISE IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT YOUR IT'S NOT YOUR PRESENTATION. CUSTOMER CONFIRMATION SESSIONS JUST MEANS THAT THEY ARE DISPLAYING WHAT THEY PUT INTO THE SYSTEM. AND WE'RE JUST CONFIRMING THAT THE DATA AND THE MAPPING IS IT LOOKS CORRECT. AND THEN WE GET INTO CONFIGURATION UNIT TESTING RIGHT AFTER THAT WAS JUST TESTING THAT THE DATA AND THE BUSINESS PROCESS IS WHAT WE EXPECT AND A SCOPE. FOCUS THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON CERTAIN AREAS. IT'S NOT LIKE AN INDIAN TESTING WHICH WE'LL GET HERE IN A SECOND. IT'S JUST A REALLY HIGH LEVEL TEST OF WHAT THE DATA AND THE BUSINESS PROCESS IS IN THE SYSTEM. SO THAT'S CURRENTLY CAN YOU BACK UP JUST ONE SECOND? I'M NOT FOLLOWING IT. VERY GREAT. OKAY. WHAT IS THE CUSTOMER CONFIRMATION SESSIONS NOW. WHAT IS THE CONFIGURATION UNIT TESTING. WHAT. YEAH. YES. GO AHEAD. JUST BACK UP JUST ONE SECOND. BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S KIND OF GOT BLURRED OKAY. SO. WHEN WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD WE HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PARTNER. WE HAVE OUR DATA AND OUR PROCESS AND THEIR DATA AND THEIR PROCESS. AND WE'RE TRYING TO ALIGN THEM TOGETHER. THAT'S THE ALIGNMENT. AND THEN WHEN WE AFTER ALIGNMENT WE GET THE DATA INTO THE SYSTEM. AND THEN THE CONFIGURATION UNIT TESTING IS THE STUFF THAT WE PUT INTO IT IS THERE AND IT LOOKS CORRECTLY, BUT IT'S NOT A END TO END TEST.
IT'S JUST A FOCUS TEST. IT'S IT'S LIKE A PRELIMINARY TESTING BEFORE WE GET INTO FINAL TESTING. THAT'S WHAT CONFIGURATION UNIT TESTING IS. SO IT'S JUST SCHEDULED OUT.
YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE STILL IN TESTING. YEAH. WE'LL GET INTO THE TIMELINE A LITTLE FURTHER BUT THAT'S THE NEXT SCHEDULE OKAY. WHAT WE'VE COMPLETED WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ON AND WHAT'S NEXT OKAY. OKAY. SO WHAT'S OUR RISKS RIGHT NOW TESTING IS THE BIGGEST RISK BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SYSTEM WORKS TO ITS FULL FUNCTIONALITY. AND IT WORKS FROM BEGINNING TO END.
AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 8 TO 10 WEEKS OF TESTING CYCLES. WHY IT BECOMES A RISK IS ONE, THERE'S A QUESTION OF COMPREHENSION OF COMPREHENSIVENESS, MEANING THAT DID WE GET EVERYTHING AS WELL AS JUST THE STAFF TO GET WHAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING IN THE SYSTEM. AND BECAUSE OF THE VASTNESS OF THAT UNDERTAKING, IT CREATES A RISK. IT'S INHERENT AND IT'S SYSTEMATIC. AND SO FOR US, THAT MEANS MITIGATING THE RISK. AND THAT MEANS BRINGING IN A PARTNER TO HELP US MITIGATE THAT RISK. SOMEONE THAT'S MORE PROFESSIONAL IN THAT ARENA. AND SO. THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE IS TO TALK ABOUT THAT RISK AND HOW WHITLOCK CAN HELP MITIGATE THAT RISK. SO I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT WHAT THAT MEANS THAT THEY WOULD DO TO HELP MITIGATE THAT RISK. IS THERE ANY QUESTION AS IDENTIFYING WHAT THE RISK IS. OKAY. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE THAT THEY COME IN.
THEY LOOK AT THE TESTING SCENARIOS THAT ARE BEING CREATED. THEY COMPARE THAT TO OUR FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENT LIST. AND THEN THEY HELP US, RIGHT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO GAPS IN THE TESTING SEQUENCE. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY'RE DOING ALL THE TESTING WRITING, BUT THEY'RE BACKSTOPPING THE TEAM THAT'S DOING THAT. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT A TEAM OF ABOUT 50 THAT IS WORKING IN THE TESTING ENVIRONMENT. WHEN YOU TEST, DO
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YOU TRY TO BREAK IT? DO YOU DO YOU TRY TO FIND SCENARIOS WHERE YOU KNOW, YOU CHALLENGE IT ENOUGH I GUESS? YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THE SCOPE IS NOT NECESSARILY FAILING TO BREAK IT IS IT IS. WHAT AM I ASKING IT TO DO? GIVE ME THE OUTCOME THAT I EXPECT TO HAVE? OKAY. YEAH.AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU DO THAT FOR EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO. YOU THINK, YEP, IT'S OVER RIGHT NOW WE'RE HOVERING AROUND 1500, BUT WE EXPECT WE'LL PROBABLY BE 1500 TESTS.
1500 TESTS. WE'LL BE DOUBLE THAT BY THE POWER OR YOU GO END TO END. OKAY. ALONG WITH THE SCOPING OF IDENTIFYING THE SCENARIOS THAT NEED TO BE CREATED, ALSO HELP US WITH TRACKING OF THE INSTANCES THAT WE DO FIND. AND SO THE TIMELINE FOR THAT SCOPE OF WORK WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 2025 TO FEBRUARY OF 2026, WHEN THE COMPLETION OF TESTING. AND WHITLOCK WOULD ASSIGN A DEDICATED RESOURCE FOR US TO DO THAT. THEY WOULD WORK WITH OUR TEAM AND SCHEDULED MEETINGS, GO THROUGH THE SCENARIOS, TAKE OUR FUNCTIONAL LIST THAT WAS IN THE RFP COMPARED TO ALL THE SCENARIOS. SO I KIND OF ALREADY KIND OF ALLUDED TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'LL DO. THE FIRST PART IS TO LOOK AT THE CITY SPECIFIC TEST SCENARIOS, LOOK AT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, AND COMPARE THAT TO WHAT POTENTIALLY WHAT WE COULD NEED, AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT THERE IS NO HOLES OR GAPS. ALSO TO HELP US TO. MAKE SURE THAT THE CORRECTION FOR THE END TO END TESTING HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE AND READY TO BE RETESTED, AND THEN DO SOME TRACKING. SO WHAT DOES THIS COST? SO THIS THIS COST IS 88,400. IT'S $170 AN HOUR FOR A TOTAL OF 520 HOURS, WITH AN ESTIMATED CONTINGENCY FOR TRAVEL. POTENTIALLY BRINGING THEM ON SITE DURING KEY TESTING PHASES FOR A TOTAL REQUEST OF 98,400. CURRENTLY, WITHIN OUR ERP BUDGET, WE HAD 350,000 SET ASIDE FOR TRAVEL CONTINGENCY. WE'RE JUST REPURPOSING THAT, AND THE REASON WHY WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THIS REQUEST IS BECAUSE IT'S CHANGING THE EXISTING CONTRACT ABOVE THE $75,000 THRESHOLD. OKAY. DID YOU FEEL LIKE THAT 350 WAS FOR CONTINGENCY LIKE THIS, OR WAS IT SOME WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF CONTINGENCY JUST IN CASE OR WHAT? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING IT WAS GOING TO BE FOR? THERE'S TWO TWO ASPECTS THAT WE PLANNED FOR CONTINGENCY. ONE WAS RESOURCING SUPPORT. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE 50 PERSONNEL ASSIGNED TO IT. IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND PEOPLE GET STRESSED OUT AND AND IT'S A FAST TIMELINE. AND SO THIS IS HELPING US TO INSTEAD OF REDEDICATING AND SEGREGATING PERSONNEL IN THE TESTING, WE'RE ABLE TO BRING SUPPORT TO KIND OF RELIEVE THAT STRESS. THE SECOND PART OF THE CONTINGENCY THAT WE PLANNED FOR WAS TRAVEL AND A 10% THRESHOLD FOR ON THE EXISTING WORKDAY CONTRACT.
THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THAT NUMBER. AND SO WE ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE THESE RIGHTS AS A CONTRACT, THAT THIS GOES FORWARD, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD IN ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THERE'S UNANTICIPATED THINGS. THAT'S WHY WE BUILT THAT CONTINGENCY BUDGET. WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE INTENDING TO USE IT. WE DO FEEL THAT TESTING IS THE MOST CRITICAL OF ALL THE CONFIGURATION STEPS. IT'S THE IT'S WHERE YOU CATCH ALL YOUR MISTAKES BEFORE IT BECOMES OFFICIALLY OURS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO HERE'S WHY. THIS IS THE OVERARCHING REASON WHY WE FEEL FITS IN WITHIN OUR ASPIRATIONS AND OUR GOALS IS THAT IT REDUCES THE RISK OF ERROR AND IT REDUCES THE COST OF HAVING TO DO REWORK AND PROTECTS OUR INVESTMENT AND INSURANCE ACCOUNTABILITY. AND IT MAKES US RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FUNDS WE'RE USING BY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE TESTING SERVICES FOR THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT OR ON WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR THIS
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THURSDAY? SO THAT WILL BE ON THE THURSDAY NIGHT AGENDA OKAY. AND. IT'LL ROLL THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED UNLESS YOU HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS. NO, I JUST I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF RISKS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A COMPUTER BUG OR SOMETHING GETTING IN OR WHAT? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEETING OUR TIMELINE AND MEETING OUR COST. BUT RISK IS A SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY. SO WE HAVE TO DEFER AND PAY MORE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FIT WITHIN THE TIME TIMELINE THAT WAS BEFORE IT. AND IT'S NOT A RISK ON SECURITY. OKAY. THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RISK BECAUSE THE CLOUD BASED SOFTWARE DIFFERENTLY, THE RISK IS ON THEM. OKAY. YEAH. THIS ā IS MORE OF JUST RISK OF COMPLETION OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR? FRANCIS, YOU'RE ALL RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. GOOD THEN. THANK YOU. MARK. AND IF ANYBODY DOES HAVE QUESTIONS, I GUESS WE CAN SHOOT YOU AN EMAIL OR WE CAN DEAL WITH IT ON THURSDAY NIGHT. IT'S[Municipal Services]
PERFECTLY FAIR FORUM FOR ASKING QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I THINK NOW WE'RE FINALLY READY FOR THE FOCUS REPORT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE ROOM, PAM HAS BROUGHT MANY OF HER KEY STAFFERS. SO IF THERE'S ANYONE YOU DON'T KNOW YET, YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET THEM. BUT IT'S A GOOD IT'S A GOOD THING. SO PAM HAS HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF LEARNING FROM EVERYBODY ELSE'S MISTAKES ON THE REPORT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE PERFECT. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.THANK YOU. MARY. YOU KNOW, IRONICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE PRESENT A LOT DURING THE BUDGET AND DURING COUNCIL MEETINGS. BUT FOR SOME REASON, THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT NERVE WRACKING.
AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT SHINES THE LIGHT ON OUR TEAM. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS THAT WE DO A LOT OF STUFF BEHIND THE SCENES. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T SEE US OR HEAR ABOUT US UNLESS THERE'S A PROBLEM. TOILET OVERFLOW OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BREAKS OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. SO IT IS IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TO BE HERE. I DO HAVE SOME OF THE TEAM MEMBERS HERE, AND I MIGHT HAVE ONE PERSON COMING IN A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT WITH THAT, OUR INTRODUCTION AND OUR MISSION. SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SERVICE. WE DO WORK AS A TEAM. WE FOCUS ON BEST PRACTICES IN CUSTOMER SERVICE, TRANSPARENCY OF PUBLIC FINANCES, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND SECURITY, AND MAINTENANCE OF CITY OWNED FACILITIES. AND THEN ALSO AND EQUIPMENT. AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE ADDED IS THAT WE EMBRACE OUR CITY VALUES AND STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT, TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF PICTURES THERE. WE'VE GOT THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY. THE MIDDLE WAS A TEAM EFFORT ON OUR CITY HALL ELEVATOR WITH BETWEEN OUR IT STAFF AND OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE STAFF, IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO SEE THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS WITH MULTI DIVISION INVOLVEMENT AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST PICTURE THERE IS OVER THE 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND WITH THE FRONTIER CENTER. AND SO WITH THAT, OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM AT THE TOP. AND WE'RE ALL KIND OF LIKE I SAID, A TEAM. SO WE'RE IN A LITTLE CIRCLE HERE. WE'VE GOT MARK HAGEDORN AND BROOKS WITH OUR FINANCE DIVISION. YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM BECAUSE YOU JUST SPENT A LOT OF QUALITY TIME WITH THEM. WITH THE BUDGET. WE ALSO HAVE OUR TREASURER'S OFFICE AND OUR UTILITY BILLING. AND THAT'S ALSO MARK HAGEDORN OVERSEES THAT DIVISION AS THE CITY'S TREASURER. WE'VE GOT EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE, STAN. YOU'LL GET TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WITH HIM HERE IN A FEW MINUTES. HE OVERSEES OUR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY, AND THEN WE'VE GOT BUILDING MAINTENANCE. ALAN MUIR, HE IS HERE THIS AFTERNOON FOR YOU AND ED MORGAN.
MIGHT BE COMING IN LATE. HE ACTUALLY HAD A FAMILY MATTER THAT HE NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF.
SO I'M GOING TO BE PITCHING IN FOR HIM. AND THEN FINALLY WE'VE GOT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS JOSEPH. HE IS HERE THIS AFTERNOON AS WELL. SO JUST TO GO OVER A LITTLE COLORFUL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND THE REASON I PUT IT IN COLOR IN DIFFERENT COLORS IS, IS REALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES THAT WE DO HAVE. MUNICIPAL SERVICES IS KIND OF A UNICORN, THAT WE'VE GOT A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE DO, A VARIETY OF SUPPORT SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO ON THE GREEN SIDE, YOU'LL SEE OUR FINANCE AREA, EVERYTHING FROM PAYROLL TO OUR UTILITY BILLING, GENERAL ACCOUNTING. THE PURPLE IS ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESENTATION YOU JUST HEARD A FEW MINUTES AGO. THAT IS OUR ERP PROJECT. SO THOSE IDENTIFIED TEAM MEMBERS ARE IN PURPLE RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT OUR OUR CITY TREASURER, MARK HAGEDORN, WORKING ON THAT PROJECT, AS WELL AS JOSEPH. AND
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WE'VE GOT A FEW OF OUR SYSTEMS, PEOPLE WORKING ON THAT. OUR EYES ARE ON THAT, WHICH I NOTICED THAT I DIDN'T PUT THAT IN PURPLE. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT IN ORANGE, WE'VE GOT OUR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND AND THE DARK GREEN, WE'VE GOT BUILDING MAINTENANCE. AND THEN ALSO IN THE LIGHT BLUE WE'VE GOT OUR FRONTIER CENTER, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT MUNICIPAL SERVICES DOES. WE ALSO HELP FACILITATE THE CHAIR WITH THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT CURRENTLY IS CHAIR RICHARD STUART. AND THEN WE ALSO CHAIR FACILITATE THE FRONTIER CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS COMMITTEE. THAT IS A COMMITTEE THAT MEETS REGULARLY AS WELL. AND THEN WE DO HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT THAT WORKS IN MY OFFICE, AND THAT'S CHRISTINA HANSON. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A TOTAL OF 78 FULL TIME POSITIONS. AND THAT INCLUDES, EXCUSE ME, THAT INCLUDES OUR ERP IDENTIFIED STAFF THAT ARE LEADING THIS PROJECT, AND THEY'RE UP AT THE TOP HERE. THE PROJECT TEAM LEADS ARE MARK JOSEPH, JOSH BRUCE, LAUREN HONEYCUTT, DEREK BATES. THERE'S A FEW OTHER PEOPLE, BUT THOSE ARE THE MAIN PLAYERS THAT YOU'VE SEEN PRESENT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS ABOUT THE PROJECT. OUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES, OUR PRIORITY NUMBER ONE WAS BUDGET PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS.THAT IS A CONTINUOUS AND ONGOING PROCESS. WE ALSO DELIVERED IT'S BEEN, WHAT, 2 OR 3 YEARS IN A ROW WITH A DETAILED BUDGET BOOK THAT WAS ACTUALLY A REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC AND SAYING, CAN YOU GIVE US A DETAILED LINE ITEM BUDGET? AND SO THAT'S BEEN A VERY GREAT TOOL. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF REALLY GOOD COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WAS A TEAM PROCESS TO STAND UP. IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET THAT GOING, BUT WE DID GET IT GOING AND IT'S GOTTEN A LOT OF REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK. WE ALSO ARE WORKING ON THE COST ALLOCATION METHODOLOGY.
THERE'LL BE A PRESENTATION HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, DOING MORE OF A DETAILED OVERVIEW OF COST ALLOCATION, NOT ONLY THE METHODOLOGY, BUT THE COST DRIVERS, HOW THE FORMULAS ARE CALCULATED AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO STAY TUNED FOR THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, AS MARK MENTIONED, THE NEW FINANCIAL SYSTEM IMPLEMENTATION THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE IN 2026. PROBABLY WHAT SUMMER ISH 2026 I'M LOOKING AT MARK. YES. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL PRIORITY NUMBER TWO FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR WAS DEVELOP A BUILDING STEWARDSHIP PLAN. SO WE CONDUCTED ON SITE AND LONG TERM AGREEMENT BUILDINGS. WE HAVE SEVERAL LONG TERM AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 25 TO 50 YEARS. SO WE INCLUDED THEM IN OUR STOPOVER, IF YOU WILL, TO LOOK AT A PLAN FOR THAT. WE IDENTIFIED OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE TEAM, IDENTIFIED IMMEDIATE 3 TO 5 YEARS AND 5 TO 10 YEARS. FOR EXAMPLE, THIS BUILDING WAS IDENTIFIED AS IMMEDIATE YEAR WITH THE ROOF. AND SO WE HAD SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THAT WORK GOING ON WHEN WE HAD OUR OUR WORK SESSIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT IT'S ALL QUIET RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK THEY'RE DONE. I'M LOOKING AT ALAN. HE'S NODDING YES. SO YEAH, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THIS PRIORITY. AND THE BUILDING STEWARDSHIP PLAN IS TAKE THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED FROM DEPARTMENTS AND COME UP WITH LIKE A LEASE SPACE FORMULARY.
THAT WILL BE LIKE A FUTURE THING. EVERYTHING FROM LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THIS BUILDING. THERE'S MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL DEPARTMENTS IN THIS BUILDING. SO WHO PAYS FOR WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
AND SO LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO RECARPET IN THE, IN THE HALLWAY AND THAT TYPE OF THING, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A FORMULA THAT'S FAIR AND EQUITABLE FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS, AND THAT WAY ONE ONE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T GET OVERCHARGED FOR A FOR USE, THAT IS IS BASICALLY COMMUNITY USE. AND THEN FINALLY WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME FACILITY PLANNING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GROWING WE'RE GROWING CITY. AND WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT FUTURE FACILITY PLANNING ON THAT. SO THAT WILL THAT ROUNDS OUT OUR 2425 COUNCIL PRIORITIES. WE ONLY HAD TWO, WHICH WAS REALLY TERRIFIC, BUT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TOWARDS THAT. SO OUR BUDGET OVERVIEW BY DIVISION. SO I'M GOING TO BE UPFRONT ABOUT THIS. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST ALLOCATION. OTHER INTER-DEPARTMENTAL TRANSFERS I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE AS YOU'LL SEE HERE, 21.5 MILLION IS REALLY OUR BUDGET. WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING FROM ADMINISTRATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FRONTIER CENTER AND THE EXPENDITURES THROUGH JULY, WE WERE ABLE TO GET AND OUR TARGET WOULD BE 83%. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT TARGET. AND THAT'S REALLY GREAT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE LIKE MOST DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVE CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO GET THINGS DONE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE HAVE BEEN BELOW BUDGET EVERY YEAR. AND AGAIN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE ACTIVITY. IF WE HAVE SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC LIKE WE HAD IN MAY OF 2023 WITH THE FLOOD THAT WE HAD, IT WAS MAY 23RD OF 2023. WE REMEMBER THAT VERY WELL. YOU KNOW, WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH OUR BUDGET, BUT WE REALLY DO A GREAT JOB AT MANAGING OUR BUDGETS AND OUR COSTS. AND THE COST ALLOCATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT
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IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THIS, ON THIS BUDGET AS WELL AS THE CITYWIDE BUDGET. IS IS NOW A GOOD TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS? MAYOR? OKAY, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED, ACTUALLY, FOR SOME REASON, TO SEE THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE. SO THIS IS NO COST ALLOCATION AND NO WORK ORDER.SO NO TRANSFERS IN. THIS $6 MILLION IS WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY GENERAL FUND MONEY ALLOCATED TO EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE. EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE, EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE BUDGET.
WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT SLIDE. BUT IT DOES INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM WORK ORDERS. WE DO DIRECT CHARGES PER UNIT. WE ALSO OVERSEE THE FUEL FACILITY. SO WE GET REIMBURSED BY BONNEVILLE COUNTY FOR OUR FUEL. SO WHEN THAT SAID TOTAL WITHOUT CROSSED OUT. YES. YES OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S TWO TYPES OF OF ALLOCATIONS. THERE'S COST ALLOCATION WHICH IS A FORMULA WHICH IS BASED ON COST DRIVERS. AND THEN THERE IS INTERFUND TRANSFERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY DIRECT CHARGES. AND WE DO THAT BOTH WITH EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE AND BUILDING MAINTENANCE. OKAY. I'LL WAIT UNTIL I GET TO THAT AND THEN I'LL. ALL RIGHT. SO AS I MENTIONED HERE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A PIE. IT TALKS ABOUT THE COST ALLOCATION INTERFUND TRANSFERS CITY. SINCE WE PROVIDE CITYWIDE SUPPORT SERVICES, WE DO A COST ALLOCATION FOR THOSE SUPPORT SERVICES. THEY ARE IN LINE WITH THE GENERAL ACCOUNTING STANDARDS, THE GFOA DEFINITION. THERE'S COST DRIVERS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. WE GENERALLY LOOK AT THEM EVERY THREE YEARS. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DUE TO LOOK AT THEM AGAIN IN 2026. BUT AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WITH MORE DETAIL ON THE PROCESS. AND THEN HERE, IF YOU NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE ON OUR OPERATING SIDE, OUR OPERATING BUDGET IS THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUDGET. AND THAT'S YOUR YOUR ORANGE THERE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL BUDGET, 57% OF IT IS OPERATING EVERYTHING FROM TOILET PAPER TO THINGS FOR THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY FILTERS. MAKE UP THE OIL FILTERS. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. WE HAVE A PRETTY LARGE OPERATING BUDGET WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING MAINTENANCE. WE HAVE A VARIETY OF OF OF SUPPLIES THAT DEPARTMENT SUPPLIES THAT WE USE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE TOTAL BUDGET, 39% OF IT, 39% OF IT IS PERSONNEL. SO AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE, PUTTING IN THE COST ALLOCATION, THAT BRINGS OUR BUDGET DOWN TO ABOUT 8.4 MILLION. SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BUDGET TUESDAY, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE GRAPHICAL ESTIMATION OF THE PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEPARTMENT COST FOR MUNICIPAL SERVICES. THIS ACTUALLY WAS SHARED AT THE TUESDAY, JULY 8TH BUDGET SESSION. AND WHEN YOU SEE THOSE SPIKES THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE WITH MUNICIPAL SERVICES, A LOT OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE THE FRONTIER CENTER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY HALL ELEVATOR.
AND THEN ALSO RIGHT NEAR IT IS THE ERP. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WE'RE WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT WE'RE NOT AS LARGE AS SOME OF OUR OTHER GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE COST ALLOCATION AS WELL AS INTERFUND TRANSFERS. SO I'M GOING TO ASK JOSEPH TO COME UP. JOSEPH JOSEPH IS OUR CHIEF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY OFFICER.
AND HE'S GOING TO GO OVER THE IT BUDGET SLIDE. SO YEAH OUR OUR BUDGET IS 3.6 MILLION. THAT COVERS ALL OF OUR HARDWARE COSTS FOR NETWORK SERVERS ON PREM SERVERS, FIREWALLS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BIG SOFTWARE THAT SERVES THE ENTIRE CITY, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE LIKE OUR CURRENT ERP SYSTEM, UTILITY BILLING SYSTEMS. MICROSOFT IS A PRETTY BIG COST IN THAT SOFTWARE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THERE ARE WE HAVE 14 POSITIONS IN IT TODAY. FOUR OF THOSE ARE OUR ANALYSTS, AND THEY'RE DEDICATED PRETTY FULL TIME RIGHT NOW TO THAT ERP PROJECT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE SYSTEM SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT KEEP THE LIGHTS ON AND HELP EVERYBODY WITH THEIR IT NEEDS AND THINGS AND SECURITY. UPCOMING PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE ERP PROJECT WITH THE THE ELECTION AND A NEW MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WEBSITE REFRESH REDESIGN THAT IT WILL HELP COORDINATE WITH THAT. AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING TO UPDATE THE CITY PHONE SYSTEM THAT IS A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS OLD, ALTHOUGH WE'VE UPDATED ALONG THE WAY, WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF WHAT THEY'LL SUPPORT ON THE VERSION THAT WE'RE ON. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT THIS COMING YEAR. BUT
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ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME? I GUESS I WOULD ASK WHAT IS ON YOUR WISH LIST THAT MAYBE ISN'T YET FUNDED OR PLANNED OUT? WE SEE IN IN THIS IN THE REALM OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH IT, ACCESS CONTROL. WE WERE REALLY CLOSE WITH ALAN AND BILLY MAINTENANCE, BUT THAT THAT INVOLVES CAMERAS THAT SECURE THINGS AROUND THE CITY, DOOR ACCESS WHEN YOU SWIPE A BADGE, THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRAMING AND AND SETTING UP THAT EQUIPMENT. WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DEDICATE A POSITION FULL TIME TO THAT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY, OTHER THINGS, OTHER TRENDS THAT WE SEE. EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING NOW HAS AN AI COMPONENT TO IT. ANY NEW SOFTWARE, EVEN OUR NEW ERP, LOTS OF LOTS OF AI, NEW PHONE SYSTEMS THAT WE LOOK AT. SO JUST TRYING TO WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND THAT AND GET THE PROPER TOOLS TO PEOPLE WITH WITH THE AI THAT'S GOING. I'VE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT AI, AND I THINK I KNOW YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE ADOPT SOME KIND OF AN AI POLICY AROUND THE AVAILABILITY OF, OF NOT JUST CHATGPT, BUT SEVERAL OTHER LANGUAGE LEARNING MODELS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE CAN DOWNLOAD AND USE? ONE. ONE CONCERN WAS THAT WITHOUT MAYBE HAVING ANY SORT OF A DECISION MATRIX OR ANYTHING TO GO THROUGH, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE JUST DOWNLOADING THE PAPER VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE AND THEN AND, AND IS THAT A NECESSARY OR AN UNNECESSARY EXPENSE? DEPENDING. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CRITERIA THAT PEOPLE USE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE REPUTABLE SOURCE OF IT. BUT THEN THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE WAS THAT SOME OF THOSE WILL IMMEDIATELY PUT INFORMATION INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. AND SO THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AND NAME THEIR DEPARTMENT BY NAME AND USE BUDGET NUMBERS. OR I MEAN, THAT'S PUBLIC RECORD. EVERYTHING WE DO IS PUBLIC RECORD. BUT IF THEY'RE NAMING PUTTING OUT OPINION WITH MAYBE NAMES OF ELECTED OFFICIALS OR EMPLOYEES OR SUPERVISORS OR WHATEVER IN THEIR QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE ASKING, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE GETTING VERY PERSONAL ANSWERS, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THEY'RE GETTING COULD THEN HAVE OPINION LINKED WITH WITH CITY DATA. AND I JUST WONDER, WHEN DO YOU THINK WILL BE SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO HAVE A POLICY THAT HELPS US KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO USE THIS INTELLIGENTLY, SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE CITY IN THE IN THE SAME BOAT WITH A LOT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHERE WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT WILD, WILD WEST PHASE OF AI RIGHT NOW WHERE THIS IS A GREAT NEW TOOL AND YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE POLICIES OUT THERE AROUND THAT. MOST OF THEM ARE PRETTY SIMPLE IN NATURE, BUT AS I'M SURE AS PEOPLE MISUSE AND ABUSE IT, WE'LL SEE THAT IN A LITTLE MORE. I KNOW THAT THE COLLEAGUE, ONE OF OUR I GUESS IT WAS MAYBE THE RPA TRAINING THAT WE WENT TO IN JUNE, THEY HAD SOME PLATFORMS THAT THAT HAD THAT SOME CITIES WERE WRITING FOR THEMSELVES, AND THEY HAD VERY STRICT RULES ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION YOU WERE ALLOWED TO PUT IN AND STUFF. SO I THINK I SUGGEST THAT WE BE LOOKING FOR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THERE IS THERE'S I'VE HAD INTEREST FROM MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS LIKE POLICE WILL WANT TO COULD WANT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, DETERMINE WHERE THE NEXT CRIME WILL WILL HAPPEN OR WHATEVER, THROW DATA AT IT. I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A MILLION WAYS YOU CAN USE THIS TECHNOLOGY. AND. REALLY, I LOOK AT IT LIKE, ARE WE GIVING PEOPLE THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB? AND IF WE NEED TO PUT FENCES AROUND THAT, WE CAN'T. AND A LOT OF THE SOFTWARE THAT'S PROFESSION SPECIFIC WILL INTEGRATE THOSE TOOLS VERY RESPONSIBLY. SO WE MAY NOT HAVE TO INVENT EVERY WHEEL. BUT BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOSEPH? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE TELEPHONE UPGRADES WILL THAT JUST THAT'LL BE A HARD BIT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS. HOW DOES THAT GO FORWARD. REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS COST. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SYSTEMS. WE HAVE A IT COLLABORATION TEAM THAT THAT WE MEET QUARTERLY. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT KIND OF SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME BUY IN THERE IF IF IT GETS IF WE GET OVER THAT $75,000 PRICE, WE'LL PROBABLY BE BACK TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. IF NOT, WE MAY JUST GO WITH IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KNOW, IF I COULD ADD ONE JOSEPH CITY, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL FIND IS A LOT OF OUR DIVISIONS ARE VERY MODEST.SO THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT THAT JOSEPH AND DERRICK WERE ABLE TO DO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WORKING WITH THEM, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO SET UP A CONTINUUM OF CAREER PROGRESSION. SO WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, WE ONLY HAD ABOUT, WHAT, THREE TECHS, IT TECHS. WE ENDED UP INSTALLING A PROCESS WHERE YOU GET SOMEBODY THAT
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MIGHT BE RIGHT OUT OF SCHOOL, BUT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. WE CAN BRING HIM IN AN IT TECH ONE, AND THEY CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO A LEAD POSITION, WHICH WOULD BE AN IT TECH THREE. BUT THEN WE'VE GOT THAT CONTINUUM AS WELL FROM TECHNICIAN TO NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR, SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR. YOU KNOW THE BIS. THE BIS ARE THERE TO HELP THE DEPARTMENTS COME UP WITH MAKING GOOD CHOICES ON SOFTWARE, THE SOFTWARE BUDGET THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IS OVER $1 MILLION MIT. AND THEN THEY CAN PROGRESS INTO AN IT ANALYST OR A SUPERVISOR POSITION. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNICAL CURRICULUM AND CONTINUUM THAT IS IS BEEN EMBEDDED INTO THIS PARTICULAR DIVISION, WHICH HAS REALLY HELPED NOT ONLY GROW IT, BUT ALSO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROGRESS THROUGH THEIR CAREER. SO THAT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT JOSEPH AND DERRICK'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON. AND THEN BEFORE I FORGET, THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE BUDGET IS ABOUT HALF A MILLION. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR HARDWARE AND THOSE, THOSE SOFTWARE HARDWARE PIECES THAT WE NEED. AND I WAS GOING TO PUT A PICTURE ON HERE WHERE WE WERE LOOKING FOR A FEW YEARS AGO. WE WERE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THESE, I NEED TWO OF THESE. CAN WE FIND TWO OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS? BUT THEY ALSO DO A LOT OF THE SECURITY UPGRADES BEHIND THE SCENES. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW SOMETHING'S HAPPENING, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT. A LOT OF TIMES WE DO THINGS AFTER HOURS AS TO NOT CAUSE, YOU KNOW, FRICTION WITH OUR NOT ONLY OUR PUBLIC BUT WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THAT IS A VERY COHESIVE TEAM. AND THEY DO A REALLY GREAT JOB KEEPING EVERYBODY GOING. AND THEY HAVE A WHITEBOARD OUTSIDE THEIR DOOR. AND SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE LITTLE NOTES OF THANK YOU. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU SOME COOKIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO ANYTHING THAT I DIDN'T ADD THAT YOU WANT ME TO. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. FROM TIME TO TIME, WE HEAR ABOUT AN UNFORTUNATE CITY SOMEWHERE IN IDAHO THAT HAS HAD ITS SYSTEM HACKED. AND THERE THERE'S A RANSOM THAT MUST BE PAID OR A DECISION THAT MUST BE MADE. AND KNOCK ON WOOD, WE HAVE NOT BEEN IN THAT SITUATION. WE DO SEEM TO HAVE, BECAUSE I KNOW I GET SENT TO BAD USER TRAINING CLASSES QUITE OFTEN, BUT. AND I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH IN THOSE. AND THEN YOU THINK I'D NEVER MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE AGAIN. BUT ANYWAY, WE DO SEEM TO HAVE A VERY PROACTIVE STANCE TOWARD TRYING TO PROTECT OUR SYSTEM.BUT DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS AROUND THAT? I MEAN, I GUESS WE'RE ALWAYS AS VULNERABLE AS OUR OUR LEAST PREPARED EMPLOYEE. BUT BEYOND THAT, CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T TELL THE WHOLE WORLD WHAT OUR SECURITY SYSTEMS ARE. PROTOCOLS ARE. BUT JUST CAN YOU EDUCATE US A LITTLE BIT? WELL, WE WE WE TAKE THE STANCE OF IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF, IT'S WHEN. SO WE, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN TRY AND PROTECT EVERYTHING. BUT IT'S A IT'S ALMOST A LOSING BATTLE. SO WE, WE TRY TO MAKE, TRY AND MAKE IT DIFFICULT ENOUGH THAT HOPEFULLY THEY MOVE ON AND FIND SOMEBODY ELSE. BUT THAT'S THAT WON'T ALWAYS BE THE CASE. SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RECOVER OR HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU RESPOND WHEN THAT HAPPENS. SO WE CONTINUE TO TO WORK ON THAT WITHIN IT AND VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK BOTH WITH LIKE SCATA SYSTEMS THAT THAT DO OUR, OUR POWER AND WATER AND PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEMS FOR FIRE, POLICE, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT YEAH, IT'S IT'S A CONTINUAL BATTLE. AND WE TRY AND DO OUR BEST TO KEEP KEEP THE CITY OUT OF THE NEWS. HOPEFULLY THAT STAYS THAT WAY. SO WHAT'S THE BIGGEST FAULT ERROR COMMITTED BY EMPLOYEES UNKNOWINGLY THAT MAKES US VULNERABLE? WE'RE PEOPLE. I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S OUR IF WE DIDN'T HAVE USERS, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE A JOB.
BUT WE'RE PEOPLE. WE MAKE MISTAKES. SO IT'S JUST PART OF IT. THERE'S NO ONE COMMON MISTAKE THAT YOU WISH EVERYBODY WOULD JUST FINALLY GET IT THROUGH THEIR HEAD. THAT THIS IS NOT A THING TO DO. DON'T OPEN THE LINK. YEAH, EMAILS. EMAIL'S A PRETTY BIG OPENING FOR US. SO THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHY WE DO THAT TRAINING THERE. TRY AND TRY AND KEEP PEOPLE VIGILANT ABOUT WHAT THEY OPEN AND WHERE THEY WHAT LINKS THEY CLICK ON AND WHO THEY SIGN ON WITH THEIR CREDENTIALS FROM THERE. SO AND WHEN IN DOUBT, YOU KNOW YOU CAN CLICK THE FINISH BUTTON. I THOUGHT I HAD A PHISHING EMAIL A FEW WEEKS AGO AND, AND ONE OF OUR IT TEAM MEMBERS SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY WAS A LEGITIMATE ONE. BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE I WASN'T EXPECTING IT. THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES WITH THE TRAINING AND I WENT AHEAD AND WAS CONSERVATIVE AND WENT AHEAD AND AND REPORTED IT. SO THAT WAS GOOD. SO WHEN IN DOUBT, GO AHEAD AND REPORT IT. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T DO ANY HARM TO REPORTS. IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME ON A BAD DAY TO. WELL, WHAT ABOUT LOOTING LIKE THE I APPS ON MY CITY? IS THAT ACCEPTABLE THEN? NO RISK? OR IS THAT A RISK TO. THE MAYOR ON THAT? IF
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YOU NEED IT FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I WOULD SAY GO AHEAD. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COME SEE US. WE'LL HELP. OKAY. YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE APP AND STILL USE THE FREE APPLICATION. YEAH.FREE APP. AND IF YOU HAVE A MEETING, JUST TALK TO YOUR SUPERVISOR OR ANY EMPLOYEE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH YOU USING THIS SPEND VERSION THAT I JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE. EVERYBODY JUST BUYING IT FOR THE HECK OF IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOSEPH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT NEXT UP IS OUR TREASURER'S OFFICE. SO OUR CITY TREASURER IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT TREASURER'S OFFICE. AND I'M GOING TO LET MARK DO THE TALKING. ALL RIGHT. SO THE CITY FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL SUBSECTIONS. AND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE IS ONE OF THEM. MEGAN IS SITTING OVER HERE IS THE TREASURY OPERATIONS MANAGER. SHE KIND OF HELPS ME OVERSEE THE DAY TO DAY TRACKING OF ALL THE FUNDS. IT'S FUN. I IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF TRANSACTIONS THAT HIT THE BANK ACCOUNT EACH MONTH AND TRYING TO TRACK THEM ALL AND WHERE THEY GO AND WHERE THEY SHOULD BE, AND THAT THINGS AREN'T MISSING. AND THE ONES THAT WE EXPECTED ARE COMING, ARE COMING IN. AND SO IT'S A IT'S A BIG JOB AND. I WANTED BUILT I AND IT'S, IT'S A DAILY TASK. IT TAKES IT TAKES A TEAM TO GO THROUGH THOSE AND MONITOR THOSE EVERY DAY. EVERY DAY WE LOOK AT OUR BANK ACCOUNTS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG, BECAUSE IN THE PAST THERE HAS BEEN AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN EMPLOYEE MEASURES TO PREVENT FRAUD. SO THAT PART OF THAT IS TO SOMEONE ALWAYS HAS EYES ON IT. SO WITHIN WITHIN THAT IN THAT GROUP, IT'S REALLY THE CASHIER'S OFFICE OF THE CITY.
WE EMPLOY SIX POSITIONS. THEY ALL COME IN AND HANDLE THE CASH IN A IN A PROFESSIONAL AND APPROPRIATE MANNER. I JUST LIKE OTHER WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT UTILITY BILLING. THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN ARE ALWAYS HAPPY THAT THEY'RE HAPPY TO PAY THE BILL. AND SO WE HAVE A VERY GOOD STAFF AT DIFFUSING SITUATIONS AND AND DEALING WITH THAT. ENVIRONMENT WITHIN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. WE DO HAVE SOME LONG TERM GOALS. WE DO FEEL THAT THE THE SAFETY OF THE AREA IS AN UP TO WHAT SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY WITH HANDLING OF CASH. AND SO WE DO. WE HAVE BEEN PLANNING TO DO AN UPGRADE, BUT IT'S PART OF THE OVERALL BUILDING STEWARDSHIP PLAN THAT KIND OF WALKS THROUGH THAT, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. AS WELL AS THE ERP PROJECT, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, WE DID. IF YOU DID KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH A BANKING CHANGE. THE CITY HAS BEEN MAKING WITH BANK OF IDAHO FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT BANK OF IDAHO MOVED TO CITIZENS COMMUNITY BANK, SO WE RECENTLY WENT THROUGH THAT CHANGE, AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT STRESSFUL.
BUT THINGS ARE LOOKING GOOD. FROM WHAT WE ARE, CAN SEE AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED. EVERYTHING IS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR AND IN THE RIGHT PLACE. NOW, BEFORE I FORGET, I PUT A PICTURE OUT HERE BECAUSE IT IS A VERY FESTIVE AREA AND THE STAFF DOWN THERE ARE SO FRIENDLY THAT WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND SOMETIMES THAT'S THEIR ONLY ACTION, THEY INTERACTION THEY HAVE WITH A PERSON TO PAY THEIR BILL. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OUR SENIORS LIKE TO COME IN AND AND VISIT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN PAY THEIR BILL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO USE THE THE DROP BOX. THEY DON'T WANT TO USE CREDIT CARDS. THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PAY IN PERSON. SO IT'S REALLY A GREAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S UPDATED AND FESTIVE EVERY, EVERY HOLIDAY THAT WE HAVE. AND YOU'LL SEE HERE IT'S A FALL THEME. THEY ALSO DO A VARIETY OF POTLUCKS, WHICH IS KIND OF NICE. SO SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GO IN THERE IT SMELLS REALLY GOOD. LIKE YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THAT'S ALWAYS NICE. AND THEY DO WORK VERY PROFESSIONAL WORK VERY WELL TOGETHER. AND BACK IN 2016 WE INSTALLED CAMERA. SO THERE IS CAMERAS OUT THERE FOR THE STAFF'S PROTECTION, PARTICULARLY AS MARK MENTIONED, THEY'RE WORKING WITH MONEY AND THAT ALL THAT IS BEING RECORDED, ALL THOSE TRANSACTIONS ARE RECORDED ON CAMERA. SO BUT WE DO NEED TO IMPROVE OUR PUBLIC SPACING. WE'VE GOT JUST A SMALL LITTLE PONY WALL DOOR. WE REALLY NEED TO INCORPORATE SOME
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ADDITIONAL SECURITY UPGRADES TO THAT AREA. COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TREASURER'S OFFICE? I DID HAVE A QUESTION. I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT IT WAS. OKAY, THAT WOULD BE LATER. I KNOW, I KNOW WHERE YOU WORK. OKAY, OKAY, SO THE SECOND PART, A SUBSET OF THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, IS THE UTILITY BILLING. WITHIN THE CITY. WE HAVE WITHIN FINANCE, WE HAVE THE SAME FINANCE SHOULD BE FINANCING THIS. THIS IS WHERE UTILITY BILLING FITS INTO THAT. WE A FEW YEARS BACK NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFIC UTILITY BILLING BUT THE ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE WITHIN THE CITY WAS FRAGMENTED AND HAD A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHERE ALL THE BILLS WERE COMING AND GOING FROM AND COMING TO. AND SO WE REALLY PUSHED THAT ALL ALL ARE GOES THROUGH THE FINANCE OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR A TRACK FORWARD, MAKE SURE IT GETS TO THE RIGHT PLACES OUTSIDE OF A FEW GRANTS. MOST EVERYTHING ELSE COMES THROUGH THE FINANCE OFFICE. THE BIGGEST ARE. ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE SYSTEM IS UTILITIES. THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE BY FAR. AND IT TAKES A TEAM. AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S EIGHT POSITIONS IN THAT TEAM. AND OUTSIDE OF. 911 CENTER AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UTILITY BILLING DOES TAKE A BRUNT OF. HOSTILE INTERACTIONS. AND AND SO PART OF THAT SECURITY UPGRADE THAT WE'RE DOING, TREASURY ALSO APPLIES TO UTILITY BILLING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO BARRIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO WALK IN AND WALK TO THE BACK OR TO ANY DESK. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, ARE ON FUTURE PROJECTS IS TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT CITY STAFF IS IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. BUT THEY DO ALL THE UTILITY SERVICES, ALL THE BILLING FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. THEY ALL COME TO THERE. AND SO THAT CAN BE PUT INTO ONE BILL, ONE, ONE PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND DEAL WITH THEIR UTILITY ACCOUNT. OUR SECOND, OUR SECOND FUTURE PROJECT IS. A NEW CIO SYSTEM, WHICH IS A CUSTOMER INTERFACE SYSTEM INFORMATION SYSTEM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE JUST RECENTLY IS TO TRY AND REVAMP HOW WE KEEP AND STORE CUSTOMER DATA AS IT COMES IN. AND SO. THAT IS JUST A PRELIMINARY PROJECT TO GOING INTO THIS SYSTEM. ANY QUESTION ON UTILITY BILLING? I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND BEING CUSTOMERS AND FEELING LIKE THEY'RE AT RISK FROM PUBLIC. DO WE DO WE GET THREATS LIKE WHAT IS THE THE YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DO WE. WE THERE'S THREATS AND THERE IS VERY LOUD CUSTOMERS, PEOPLE BEING YELLED AT, PROFANITY. YEAH. IT GETS TO BE VERY HOSTILE AT TIMES THAT WE WE ALL THE AND TREASURER UNTIL THEY HAVE PANIC BUTTONS, THEY HAVE BEEN USED. PLEASE COME OVER. WE ALSO INCLUDE THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHEN WHEN A CERTAIN CUSTOMERS ARE ASKED NOT TO COME BACK, AND THAT THEY CAN ONLY DO IT THROUGH ONLINE OR THROUGH TELEPHONE. SO WE DO TRESPASS CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE COME IN AND ABUSED. YES. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND THE KEY TO THAT IS TRAINING AS WELL. AND HAVING THE EMPLOYEES FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOT THE CONFIDENCE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DEFUZE SITUATIONS. I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY, I THINK WE'VE ONLY CALLED 911 PROBABLY ABOUT THREE TIMES, AND I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST TEN YEARS. SO THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE TEAM MEMBERS DOWN THERE AND BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS THAT ARE UPSET OR THEY'RE ANGRY OR OR A VARIETY OF THINGS. AND I THINK THAT THEY DO A REALLY GREAT JOB AS A TEAM. BUT GETTING THEM PUBLIC ACCESS, YOU KNOW, SOME BARRIERS THERE, I THINK WILL EVEN GIVE THEM MORE CONFIDENCE THAT THEY CAN HANDLE WHATEVER WALKS IN THE DOOR. WE HAVE SEASONALITY WHEN THINGS GET A LITTLE BIT BUSIER DOWN THERE, AND IT'S USUALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR DISCONNECTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THE POST 45 DAY PAY THE SYSTEM AUTOMATICALLY[00:55:05]
GENERATES A DISCONNECT NOTICE. AND SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE WAKE UP TO GO TO THEIR SHIFT AT WHATEVER PLACE THEY'RE GOING TO WORK. AND THEY THEY DON'T HAVE POWER. SO THAT DOES SOMETIMES CREATE SOME ISSUES FOR THE STAFF HAVING TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT. BUT THEY BUT THEY DO WORK REALLY WELL TOGETHER. AND IT WOULD JUST IT WOULD JUST GIVE THEM SOME PEACE OF MIND TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL SOME OF THOSE SECURITY FEATURES. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD MORE? IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I HEAR REALLY REGULARLY NOW, HOW CUT OFF THE CITY IS BECOMING.AND SO I WANT TO JUST IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S LIKE MAYBE IN SOME PLACES, BUT MAYBE NOT IN OTHERS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BECOMING SO REMOVED FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IT STARTS TO FEEL. AND AND I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THIS SITUATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BURYING, BARRICADING OURSELVES FROM THE JOB OF THE DAY. OH YEAH, THE FRONT DOOR IS STILL ADA ACCESSIBILITY. ALL THAT WILL STILL STAY THE SAME. BUT BUT THE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT THERE'S AN OPENING THAT WE'D LIKE TO CLOSE OFF JUST A LITTLE BIT TO KEEP THE PUBLIC OUT IN THE LOBBY AREA AND NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO WALK THROUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, UNLESS THEY ARE MEETING WITH A CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE ONE ON ONE. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT'S ABOUT. THANK YOU. I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A LITTLE HEIGHTENED TENSION THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY ENTER INTO THESE TWO. BOTH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND THE UTILITY BUILDING AREA, BECAUSE MONEY IS INVOLVED AND AND THE STRESS AND TENSION AND AND FRUSTRATION THAT GO WITH, WITH PAYING BILLS AND OWING MONEY AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, I THINK REALLY EXACERBATE THAT SITUATION MORE THAN, SAY, WHEN MONEY CHANGES HANDS WITH THE CITY. SO I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF, OF ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL FRUSTRATION THAT HAPPENS THERE. THAT IS NOT A REFLECTION ON THE STAFF. IN FACT, NO, IT WOULD BE FAR, FAR WORSE, I THINK, IF IT HAD NOT INTERVENED AND HELPED TO TRAIN HER STAFF AND GIVE THEM ENCOURAGEMENT AND AND HELP THEM TO KNOW THAT THAT HEY, SOME OF THOSE ROUGH CALLS ARE BEING RECORDED. SO IT HAS COME BACK MANY TIMES TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE STAFF WAS BEHAVING APPROPRIATELY. AND IT WAS THE UNFORTUNATELY, THE CUSTOMER THAT WAS BEHAVING INAPPROPRIATELY. AND THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR POINTING THAT OUT. WE HAVE TWO THINGS. WE HAVE CAMERAS, SECURITY CAMERAS, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE PANIC BUTTONS THAT MARK MENTIONED. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TELEPHONE RECORDING. I FOUND THAT WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING HERE, WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ABOUT CITY STAFF NOT BEING FRIENDLY AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND ONCE WE INSTALLED THE RECORDING AND WHEN YOU CALL IN, IT SAYS, THIS CALL MAY BE RECORDED FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE PURPOSES OR QUALITY ASSURANCE. THOSE COMPLAINTS WENT DOWN PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY, AND I PROBABLY GET MAYBE 1 TO 2 A YEAR. AND THEN I GO BACK AND I LISTEN TO THE RECORDING AND AND WE SEE IT AS A TRAINING OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. THANK YOU.
SO IF WE TRY PROACTIVE THINGS LIKE AREN'T THERE CERTAIN COLORS THAT RELAX PEOPLE OR SCREENS WITH SO CALMING IMAGES THAT THE KEY TO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SOLVE 100% OF THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? BUT YOU CAN MITIGATE IT DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE ASPECT. AND. ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONE IS COMMUNICATION. AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT BEING MORE PROACTIVE IN COMMUNICATION. WE'RE LOOKING AT TEXTING SERVICES, PHONE CALL SERVICES LIKE ROBO CALLING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO ANY KIND OF ANGST OR OR UNHAPPINESS, IT'S ALWAYS AROUND DISCONNECTS, RIGHT? I'VE NEVER BEEN THANKED FOR SOMEONE FOR TEARING OFF SOMEONE'S POWER, RIGHT? IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY. THERE ARE ALWAYS WHY DO YOU DO IT? AND SO IT COMES DOWN TO EDUCATION. WE TEACH THEM, WE WALK THROUGH. THIS IS WHY. THIS IS HOW THIS IS. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO TO WATCH FOR IT. BUT BEING PROACTIVE ON THE COMMUNICATION WHEN SOMEONE'S GETTING CLOSE TO THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE KEY. AND SO WE DID TEAM UP WITH IDAHO POWER TO LOOK AT USING THEIR EXISTING OUTAGE SOFTWARE. AND THAT DIDN'T WORK. AND SO WE DECIDED TO PUT A PAUSE ON THAT UNTIL WE GET THE CIS SYSTEM, BECAUSE IT COULD BE A PART OF THAT SYSTEM INSTEAD OF A FINITE ONE IN THE MEANTIME. AND SO THAT IS ON OUR ON OUR PLAN TO HAVE A MASS COMMUNICATION SERVICE TO GET THE COMMUNICATION OUT SO PEOPLE CAN GET THE INFORMATION SOONER. AND I ALSO OUR KIOSK, OUR 24 SEVEN KIOSK IS LOCATED RIGHT OUTSIDE THOSE DOORS THERE BEHIND THE MIDDLE EMPLOYEE THERE. AND IT IS AVAILABLE 24 SEVEN. YOU CAN COME HERE IF YOU WATCH THE GAME ON SUNDAY AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS, I
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DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M AT WITH MY UTILITY BILL. YOU CAN COME IN AND PUT A FEW DOLLARS IN ON YOUR BILL AND KEEP THAT GOING. SO THAT REALLY HAS HELPED TO BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORK, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS WORK SHIFTS AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE HELD OVER AND THEY CAN'T COME, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 8 AND 5 WHEN OUR OFFICES ARE OPEN, THERE IS A LOCKBOX OUT IN THE THE PARKING LOT, BUT WE DON'T WANT YOU PUTTING CASH IN THERE, BUT YOU CAN COME IN AND USE THE KIOSK 24 SEVEN. AND THAT HAS BEEN A REAL GAME CHANGER, IF YOU WILL, WITH SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK IN MOST CASES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UTILITY BILLING DOES WELL IS, IS THEY DO. THEY WORK WELL WITH ALL THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. WE HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING THAT WE GET TOGETHER AND GO THROUGH ALL THE ISSUES, MAKE SURE ALL THE BILLS ARE BEING CREATED CORRECTLY. IF THERE'S AS NEW THINGS COME UP OR NEW ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THOSE. AND SO WE HAVE WE HAVE HAD A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THEIR NEEDS ARE BEING MET AND THAT THEIR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOSE FUNDS, THOSE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE TIMELY AND EFFICIENT, AND THEY GET THE JOB DONE. AND ENTHUSIASM FROM STAFF IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR PREPAY LEVEL PAY, THOSE KINDS OF PROGRAMS. DOES STAFF FIND THOSE TO BE A HASSLE TO IMPLEMENT, OR ARE THEY RELATIVELY EASY? BECAUSE THE DATA THAT WE HEAR IN OUR BOARD MEETINGS TELL US THAT THOSE ARE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF HELPING PEOPLE STAY ON TOP OF THEIR BILLS. EVERY IMPLEMENTATION HAS ITS UNIQUE SORT OF FUN. BUT YES. WE'RE ALL VERY ENGAGED AND EXCITED FOR THE FUTURE, AND ANYTHING THAT MAKES THE CUSTOMER'S JOB THE CUSTOMER'S LIFE BETTER IS IS REALLY THE GOAL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE AIMING FOR. WE'RE NOT JUST MEETING THE CITY'S NEEDS. WE'RE MAKING THE CUSTOMER'S NEEDS. AND THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO DO THAT. SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE WITH PERSONNEL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, BEFORE I FORGET TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE SHOUT OUT, THE OTHER THING THAT THEY DO IS THEY CAN REFER RESIDENTS TO SUPPORT SERVICES SUCH AS ICAP AND SOME OF THE OTHER AGENCIES AROUND TOWN. THEY'VE GOT A LIST OF THOSE. AND SO THEY DO HAVE A PARTICULAR DIFFICULT SITUATION WITH A RESIDENT. THEY CAN REFER THEM OUT TO THOSE COMMUNITY RESOURCES. AND SO THAT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL AS WELL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MARK OR PAM? OKAY.WE'LL FINISH UP WITH FINANCE. FINANCE IS THE OVERARCHING ARM OF TREASURY AND UTILITY BILLING.
IT'S WHERE ALL THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF LIVE. IT'S ALL THE ACCOUNTANTS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE.
WE WITHIN THE FINANCE. WE HAVE A FEW DIVISIONS. THEY'RE NOT. TRANSPARENT LIKE TREASURY UTILITIES BECAUSE THAT'S MORE OF LEGACY. WHEN WE GET INTO WORKDAY, THOSE WILL BE BROKEN OUT. AND YOU HAVE THE PROCUREMENT OFFICE AND THE PAYROLL OFFICE AND ACCOUNTING.
THEY ALSO HAVE YOUR PROPERTY AND ASSETS. SO EACH ONE HAS A UNIQUE FUNCTION THAT THEY ARE TASKED WITH AND TO MAKE THE LIVES OF THE DEPARTMENTS MORE EFFICIENT AND EASIER. RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF OUR LEGACY SYSTEM, WE'RE HAMPERED BY A LOT OF MANUAL WORK, MEANING OUTSIDE OF THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, WHICH THAT MAY WORK, PROHIBITS DEALING WITH THE REAL PROBLEMS OF OF TRYING TO FORECAST AND TO DEAL WITH ACCOUNTING RELATED ISSUES. AND SO THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WITH THE NEW ERP SYSTEM, IS TO KIND OF MOVE ALL THOSE MANUAL ADJUSTMENTS AND ACCOUNTING FUNCTIONS INTO AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM THAT THAT THEN YOU CAN GO IN AND BE MORE PROACTIVE AND DEAL WITH THE REAL ISSUES AT HAND. ALONG WITH THAT IS WE HAVE SOME SOME KEY PROJECTS, AND ONE IS UPDATING THE FISCAL YEAR, CLOSE THE ANNUAL AUDIT.
WITHIN THOSE IS WHAT IS. REHABBING THE FIXED ASSET ENVIRONMENT, DOING A MAJOR OVERHAUL WITH FIXED ASSETS, WITH THE GIS SYSTEM, TO HAVE EVERYTHING WITHIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GIS SYSTEM AND GO FROM THERE. AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING WITHIN FINANCE IS DRAFTING ALL THE WRITTEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. IT'S ONE THING THE CITY LACKS IS A ROBUST FINANCIAL WRITTEN POLICIES. SO SOMETHING WE'RE
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CURRENTLY WORKING ON. AND THIS IS THE TEAM THAT WORKED DILIGENTLY FOR TWO AND A HALF, TWO AND A HALF YEARS OR SO TO PRODUCE THE ADOPTED ANNUAL BUDGET BOOK THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK I MENTIONED EARLIER. AND SO THAT'S THAT THAT TEAM'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON IT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO GET A PRODUCT OUT TO NOT ONLY COUNCIL, BUT ALSO OUT TO THE RESIDENTS. WHEN I STARTED GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING, THERE WAS WITH GATSBY, WHICH IS THE STANDARDS BOARD FOR GOVERNMENTS. THERE WAS ABOUT 40 STANDARDS AND NOW THERE'S 100. AND SO THE GOVERNMENT FINANCIAL SECTOR HAS REALLY GROWN, AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP. AND SO THINGS ARE MORE TRANSPARENT. THE PROCESSES ARE BETTER. AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET UP INTO THAT NEW PHASE OF LIFE. MARK, CAN YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN THE POLICY YOU NEED? WE DID A FINANCIAL INVESTMENT POLICY A FEW YEARS AGO. RIGHT. IS THAT STILL FUNCTIONING THE WAY? YEAH. SO THERE WILL BE ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT POLICIES OKAY. SOME OF THEM WANT SOME OF THEM ARE WITH LEGAL RIGHT NOW. BUT THEY TAKE TIME TO WRITE THOSE POLICIES AND TO GO THROUGH A REVIEW. BUT YOU HAVE TIME ENTRY. WE'LL HAVE CASH MANAGEMENT.WE'LL HAVE. GRANTS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT POLICIES THAT NEED TO BE WRITTEN DOWN. WE ARE MORE CULTURALLY BASED AND NOT POLICY BASED. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE INTO THE RIGHT AREA.
KEEP GOING. YES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MARK MAY HAVE NOT MENTIONED ALREADY, BUT BROOKS AND MARK HAVE REALLY PUT TOGETHER A VERY ROBUST TRAINING PROGRAM FOR ACCOUNTING PROFESSIONALS. SIMILAR TO IT. WE HAVE ACCOUNTANTS ONE, TWO AND THREE, WITH THE THREE BEING THE LEAD. BUT YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WHEN YOU MASTER A VARIETY OF ACCOUNTING TASKS THAT REQUIRE NOT ONLY A FOUR YEAR DEGREE IN ACCOUNTING, BUT ALSO ADDITIONAL TRAINING. AND SO WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST TRAINING PROGRAM THROUGH GFOA. AND THEN WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT'S IN BOISE AG AG. SO SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HIRE STAFF MEMBERS RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE WITH A WITH AN ACCOUNTING DEGREE, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ENVIRONMENT, IF YOU WILL, TO HONE IN ON THEIR SKILLS AND ALSO A ROBUST TRAINING PROGRAM TO KEEP THEM IN THE FIELD OF FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AND ACCOUNTING. SO THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MARK HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS REALLY BUILDING THAT TEAM. SO I'LL JUST SAY, OH, GO AHEAD, COUNCILOR. WELL, I JUST GOT TO TELL YOU HOW IMPRESSED I AM WITH THE BUDGET. LOOK, HONESTLY, JIM AND JIM AND LISA AND I THE OTHER NIGHT WERE WERE BRAGGING ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE AT AN EVENT. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE PEOPLE COME TO US AND SAY, I JUST DON'T GET THE BUDGET AND SAY, HERE'S THE BOOK, RIGHT? AND IF YOU GO THROUGH THE BOOK AND FROM START TO FINISH, YOU'RE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY BUDGET AS WELL AS ANYONE. I MEAN, IT IS IS CRYSTAL CLEAR. AND I GOT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THIS IS JUST IT'S TAKEN ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN AND IT'S REALLY GREAT. AND THE OTHER THING IT DID IS IT INCORPORATED WORKFLOW PROCESS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE WERE DOING SPREADSHEETS WITH BUDGETS WHEN MARK AND I FIRST STARTED WORKING TOGETHER. AND THEN SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN. WHAT VERSION WAS SENT TO FINANCE AND NOW IT'S A WORKFLOW PROCESS. SO IT'S IT STARTS WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND THEN THEY MOVE IT TO THE WORKFLOW, THE NEXT WORKFLOW PROCESS, AND THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP. AND THEN IT FEEDS INTO THE SOFTWARE THAT CREATES THE BUDGET BOOK. DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT MARK OR DID I DO THAT ALL RIGHT. YOU DID A GOOD JOB. YEAH. WE'RE WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS THE FUTURE. AND I MEAN, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST WASN'T RIGHT. IT'S JUST THAT FUTURE HAS CHANGED SO MUCH. ONE OF MY IT'S NOT A BRAGGING POINT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GLAD THAT WE GOT RID OF WAS THE TYPEWRITERS. AND SO THE CITY IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IT JUST TAKES TIME AND IT TAKES PATIENCE, AND IT'S LEVERAGING TECHNOLOGY TO BUILD EFFICIENCIES. SO THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO SAY. YEAH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE NEW FINANCIAL AGE IS TRYING TO MEET EVERYBODY'S NEEDS, RIGHT. TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BE A SUPPORT AND NOT A HINDRANCE TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. RIGHT. THAT'S OUR GOAL, IS TO BE A TEAMMATE. AND UNTIL WE GET TO A NEW FINANCIAL SYSTEM, THAT'S BEEN DIFFICULT. DO YOU SEE AI HELPING YOU WITH EFFICIENCIES AND WITH THE STAFFING AND. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. IT WILL AT SOME POINT WHEN
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WE'RE READY TO DEPLOY IT OKAY. WORKDAY COMES WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET TO THIS DECADE AND UNDERSTAND AND WORK WITH IT. AND BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT IN THE FUTURE, OKAY, ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS TO THAT BUDGET BOOK IS CALLED TRANSPARENCY BY TRANSPARENCY PLATFORM. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE NEW WAVE OF THINGS THAT ARE GOVERNMENTS ARE DOING. WHAT THAT IS, IS IT'S A A OUTWARD FACING DATABASE, WHICH MEANS THIS IS GOING TO GO IN AND SEARCH FOR TRANSACTIONS WITHIN WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT. SO IDAHO IS TO START A DEPLOY THAT THEY HAVE SOME OF THAT ON THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME THINGS.BUT THE FUTURE OF THAT IS YOU CAN LOOK AT ANYTHING WITHIN I'VE EVER BEEN ASKED QUESTIONS.
THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE FUTURE FUTURE PRODUCT, AFTER YOU GET WORKED UP AND GOING, WOULD BE A TRANSPARENCY, OUTWARD FACING PLATFORM. SO BEFORE WE WRAP UP, I JUST WANTED TO THROW SOMETHING OUT. AND THAT IS COUNCILOR FRANCIS. YOUR QUESTION ABOUT POLICY GOT ME THINKING. WE HAVE IN AT THE LEVEL OF DIRECTORS HAVE HAD IN THE PAST THE BENEFIT OF OF SOME EXPERIENCE AND WISDOM THAT CAME FROM OUR FORMER CITY ATTORNEY, RANDY PIKE, WHO WOULD OFTEN DISCOURAGE US FROM IMMEDIATELY GOING TO A POLICY, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMETHING WENT WRONG OR, OH, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING. WE'RE GOING TO RIDE IT OUT. WE'RE GOING TO WRITE THIS DOWN THERE. AND I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THAT. ONE WAS THAT IF YOU CREATE A POLICY THAT IS RIGID AND DESIGNED TO JUST GET A CERTAIN KIND OF BEHAVIOR AND THAT MAY BE NEEDED AT TIMES, BUT IF YOU DO THAT AND IT'S JUST ONE THING GOES WRONG, YOU END UP WITH A VIOLATION OF THE POLICY, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE CONSEQUENCES. AND, AND THEN PERHAPS EITHER EVOLVE YOUR POLICY OR, OR OR CREATE CONSEQUENCES. AND, AND IT CAN GET TO BE KIND OF DIFFICULT TO MANAGE IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF THOSE. AND ON THE OTHER HAND, I MEAN, AT FIRST WHEN I HEARD HIM KIND OF SAY PUSH BACK, I THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? JUST MAKE EVERYTHING LOOSEY GOOSEY, YOU KNOW? AND I HAD A REACTION TO THAT. AND OVER TIME I KIND OF REALIZED THAT. AND I'M BRINGING IT UP NOW BECAUSE I THINK MARK AND PAM HAVE MAYBE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE POLICIES THAT ALLOW FOR ENOUGH PROFESSIONAL OR HUMAN JUDGMENT IN THEM, WITHOUT WITHOUT STIFLING THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME DESIGNED TO CREATE A PROCESS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZABLE OVER, OVER MANY ITERATIONS. AND SO IT'S IT TAKES TIME TO WRITE A POLICY. AND I KNOW, MARK, YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU WANTED TO HAVE SOME POLICIES WRITTEN IN CERTAIN AREAS FOR A WHILE NOW, BUT TO ACTUALLY CREATE THAT IDEAL POLICY, IT CAN FEEL ALMOST OVERWHELMING BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BE JUST RIGHT. IN FACT, MAYBE WE NEED TO JUMP IN ONCE IN A WHILE AND LEARN THE HARD WAY AND THROUGH EXPERIENCE. BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY POLICY MAKING IS AN ART, AND NOT JUST A MATTER OF TRACKING PROCESSES. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE A TIME FOR THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE. SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIX PROCESSES. WE COULD TALK ABOUT OUR FAVORITE ONE COST ALLOCATION, BUT WE HAVE NO POLICIES. RIGHT. SO WHAT SHOULD COME FIRST, THE PROCESS OR THE POLICY. AND SO WE'VE ALWAYS FOCUSED ON PROCESS. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE LEGACY OF HOW WE ADOPTED WHEN WE STARTED WORKING HERE. IT'S TIME TO REALLY FOCUS ON POLICY SO THAT WE CAN FIX OUR PROCESSES. BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT EARLIER WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY, WHICH WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING AN UPDATED FINANCIAL SYSTEM FOR QUITE A WHILE. AS MARK MENTIONED, I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT WAS 25 YEARS OLD. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE LOSING SOME STEAM ON IT. IT'S NOT A STRONG FOUNDATION FOR US TO WORK WITH.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE POLICY BASED ON WHAT SO-AND-SO DID, RIGHT. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY, LEVERAGE OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARDS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE EFFICIENCIES RATHER THAN SILO THOSE PROCESSES BASED ON THE PERSON THAT SITS AT THE DESK. I CALL IT STRUCTURED FLEXIBILITY OR ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT, SO THAT THE HUMAN BEING STILL HAS A ROLE. BUT IF THERE'S A POLICY, IT'S EASIER TO PASS IT ON FROM ONE EMPLOYEE TO THE NEXT EMPLOYEE TO THE NEXT EMPLOYEE. BROOKS AND I BOTH HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE. STARTING HERE. WE WALK IN THE DOOR. WHERE'S OUR POLICY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY NO FINANCIAL ONES. WE HAVE PERSONNEL POLICIES. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT POLICY LOOK LIKE THE PERSONNEL POLICY THAT IT'S INDEXED BY SUBSECTIONS. AND WE DO GET AI TO WRITE IT. YES. RIGHT. JUST KIDDING. BUT THE INVESTMENT POLICY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT 25% LIMIT. OR IS THAT FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS INVESTMENT. YES. AND SOMETIMES IT GOES UP JUST BECAUSE OF THE MARKET ETC. AND WE'RE NOT
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PANICKED, STRUCTURED FLEXIBILITY. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT ALREADY, BUT JUST THIS PART OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES PROJECT IS THAT THIS MASSIVE UNDERTAKING. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT TAKES WE HAVE OVER 50 EMPLOYEES CITYWIDE THAT ARE PART OF THE PROJECT, WHICH MEANS PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE STRESSED BECAUSE THEY'RE WEARING TWO HATS AND BUT EVERYBODY'S EXCITED. THIS SOFTWARE IS AMAZING. IT'S SO AMAZING COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IN A CURRENT SYSTEM. AND. WE DID HIRE FIVE EMPLOYEES TO HELP BACKFILL. AND AS PART OF TRYING TO OFFSET SOME OF THE WORKLOAD. BUT SO FAR THINGS ARE GOING WELL. ANY QUESTIONS ON SOFTWARE? OKAY. SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT A LITTLE BIT WITH STAN. SO STAN, I DON'T THINK YOU EVER SEE STAN OUT HERE IN THIS NECK OF THE WOODS. UNLESS HE'S COMING. WELCOME. YEAH, BUT HE HAS A HE HAS A REALLY GREAT TEAM OVER AT OUR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY. HE'S GOING TO JUST GO OVER SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT AND THEN HOPEFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. ALL RIGHT.YES. SO I AM THE SUPERINTENDENT. I'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY FOR APPROXIMATELY 14 YEARS, BEEN SUPERINTENDENT FOR ABOUT THREE AND A HALF. SO OUR SHOP IS OUT ON HAMNER AVENUE NEXT TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER. IT'S A AN 18 BAY, 20 ZERO ZERO ZERO FOOT SQUARE SHOP. IT'S BUILT IN 2006, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY AT A STAFF OF 15. ACTUALLY, WE'RE AT FULL STAFF, 15 EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE 11 TECHNICIANS, TWO CLERICAL POSITIONS AND TWO SUPERVISORS. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE FOUR MASTER TECHNICIANS. WE HAVE 7 OR 6 JOURNEYMAN TECHNICIANS, AND WE HAVE ONE APPRENTICE. WE HAVE A AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND A PARTS INVENTORY COORDINATOR. SUPERINTENDENT AND FOREMAN. AND OUR DUTIES ARE TO KEEP CURRENTLY 863 PIECES OF LARGE EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES IN APPROXIMATELY 350 PIECES OF ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS, REPAIRED, MAINTAINED, FUELED, IN SERVICE, OUT OF SERVICE, ALL OF THOSE WONDERFUL THINGS. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, LARGE EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, THOSE ARE PIECES THAT HAVE AN ENGINE AND WHEELS DRIVE THEMSELVES AROUND. SO THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, CARS, PICKUPS, SUVS, VANS, TRUCKS, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, AMBULANCES, FIRE ALL THE POLICE VEHICLES. IDAHO FALLS POWER THE EQUIPMENT THAT REMOVES THE THE MAINTAINS THE GROUNDS OF THE AIRPORT AND THEN ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT PARKS AND REC AND THE GOLF COURSES USE TO MAINTAIN THEIR TURF PARKS. THE FLOOR IN THAT BUILDING HEATED.
IT IS. YES. IT'S WONDERFUL. OKAY. A COMPONENT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S EITHER PULLED OR PUSHED BY ONE OF THE VEHICLES. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, SNOW PLOWS AND TRAILERS. YEAH, HUNDREDS OF THOSE. IN 2009 THE EQUIPMENT TOOK OVER MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S FLEET. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 50 VEHICLES. CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE SERVICE VEHICLES THAT WE CAN PERFORM SERVICE CALLS. GENERALLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR BREAKDOWNS. SERVICE AND REPAIRS ON NON ROAD GOING VEHICLES. SO PRIMARILY GOLF COURSES AND PARKS AND REC. WE'LL DO THOSE REPAIRS ON SITE. LET'S SEE. WE DO MAINTAIN A SMALL RENTAL POOL OF VEHICLES THAT CAN BE RENTED OUT TO ANY DEPARTMENT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. THOSE ARE NEEDED. IT'S ALSO THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY TO MAINTAIN THE JOINT OWNED FUEL FACILITY FOR THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS IN BONNEVILLE COUNTY.
THAT FACILITY WAS PUT IN IN AUGUST OF 2011. WE'VE DONE SOME UPGRADES ON THAT SINCE THEN.
DISPENSER UPGRADE LAST YEAR, AND THEN WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER A CANOPY UPGRADE FOR THAT TOO, SO WE'LL SEE THAT COMING UP HERE SHORTLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
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THAT FUEL FACILITY HAS A STORAGE CAPACITY OF 40,000 GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL, 15,000 GALLONS OF UNLEADED GASOLINE, AND THEN ADDITIONAL 6000 GALLONS OF WINTER DIESEL. IT IS RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EQUIPMENT SHOP TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEQ REGARDING THAT FUEL FACILITY, WHICH INCLUDES INSURANCE, REGULAR COMPLIANCE TESTING ON A YEARLY BASIS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, KEEPING MYSELF AND MY STAFF UP ON OUR CERTIFICATIONS, WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT FACILITY PROPERLY. WE ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE 16 VAULTS. COMMVAULT IS A REMOTE FIELD TANK THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE CITY. WE HAVE NINE NINE SITES. KEEP THOSE FILLED WITH FUEL YEAR ROUND. WE HAVE FUEL TANK THAT WE RUN A WEEKLY ROUTE TO KEEP THOSE MAINTAINED, FILLED AND SERVICED SO THAT CITY VEHICLES CAN FUEL THEIR STAN. DO WE HAVE REMOTE MONITORING OF HOW MUCH IS NEEDED IN EACH OF THOSE BEFORE THE DRIVERS GO AROUND, OR DO THEY JUST HAVE TO GO AND TOP OFF? CURRENTLY WE'RE DOING A WEEKLY ROUTE. WE JUST KEEP THEM FULL. WE DON'T REALLY WAIT UNTIL THEY GET, YOU KNOW, BELOW A CERTAIN FUEL LEVEL. WE JUST KEEP THEM FULL EVERY WEEK. SO AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE KEEP OUR OUR MAIN FUEL STATION TANKS FILLED EVERY WEEK. SO. OUR WE HAVE A WE HAVE 12 CDL HOLDERS WITH TANKER AND HAZMAT ENDORSEMENT. AND YOUR KEEPING TRAINED AND CERTIFIED TO BE ABLE TO RUN THAT FUEL TANKER AND KEEP THE FUEL STATION IN COMPLIANCE, AS WELL AS OUR ADDITIONAL NINE SITES. QUICK MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT COORDINATES WITH RISK MANAGEMENT, VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND DISPATCH THOSE TO CERTIFIED BODY SHOPS. OUR DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE A BODY SHOP, SO WE DO SUBLET THAT WORK AND COORDINATE WITH RISK MANAGEMENT ON THE ON THE ACCIDENTS. THAT WAY. IT'S ALSO THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EQUIPMENT SHOP TO COORDINATE OUR AERIAL UNIT COMPLIANCE INSPECTIONS. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE THE AERIAL TRUCKS THAT I DON'T FOLLOW. POWER OPERATES AS WELL AS THE LADDER TRUCKS THAT I DON'T FALSIFY. DEPARTMENT OPERATES. SO. WE ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING A FLEET SOFTWARE THROUGH ASSET WORKS. WE UTILIZE TWO SOFTWARES. ONE IS CALLED FLEET FOCUS, ONE IS CALLED FUEL FOCUS. THAT ALLOWS US TO MAINTAIN OUR VEHICLE RECORDS.CREATE WORK ORDERS, FILL OUT PARTS LABOR, AND MAINTAINS OUR INVENTORY FOR BOTH OUR PARTS AS WELL AS OUR FUEL SYSTEM. THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY RECEIVES AND CHECKS IN NEW VEHICLES, COORDINATES TRANSFER OF VEHICLES THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED TO OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY WHERE THEY COULD STILL BE UTILIZED, AND WHEN A VEHICLE COMES TO THE END OF ITS LIFE, IT IS BROUGHT TO THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND SURPLUSED SO SOLD AT AUCTION TYPICALLY AND. WE ARE. WE COORDINATE WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE CITY REGARDING THEIR EQUIPMENT. SO THEIR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT SCHEDULES LITTLE ADVISE ON VEHICLES THAT PERHAPS NEED TO BE REPLACED OR SOME VEHICLES IN SERVICE FOR A WHILE. AND CURRENTLY WITH OUR TECHNICIANS, WE HAVE A CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. WE HAVE FIVE ASE CERTIFIED TECHNICIANS CURRENTLY, AND WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING THE REST OF THEM CERTIFIED AS WELL. AND WE HAVE A AND I PUT TOGETHER A APPRENTICE PROGRAM. OUR INDUSTRY IS FACING A LABOR SHORTAGE OF TECHNICIANS. WE'RE FINDING THAT. TECHNICIANS ARE NO LONGER. HOW SHOULD I SAY
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THIS WITH THE COMPLEXITY OF VEHICLES, AS TIME MARCHES ON, WE'RE SEEING THAT TECHNICIANS ARE OFTEN REQUIRED TO BE COLLEGE EDUCATED PROFESSIONALS, AND WE'RE FINDING THAT IN THE INDUSTRY, THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING INTO THAT FIELD ANYMORE, WHICH MAKES TECHNICIANS HARD TO FIND. IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE TO HIRE TECHNICIANS THESE DAYS. AND SO WE HAVE AN APPRENTICE PROGRAM WHERE OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN BRING IN THESE NEWLY GRADUATED STUDENTS OR STUDENTS STILL ATTENDING THEIR SCHOOLING AND POTENTIALLY GROW THEM INTO A JOURNEYMAN POSITION. FULL TIME. SO THAT'S BEEN A THAT'S BEEN A GOOD PROGRAM, SEEING SOME GOOD RESULTS FROM THAT. SO FAR, SO GOOD OKAY. YEAH. DURING SNOW REMOVAL THEY ARE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE THERE THEY WORK AT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. TWO 12 HOUR SHIFTS. YES. DURING SNOW REMOVAL WHEN SNOW WHEN A SNOW REMOVAL EVENT IS DECLARED, OUR OUR SHOP GOES ON 24 HOURS. SO YOU'RE IN THE BACKGROUND KEEPING EVERYTHING RUNNING. BEEHIVE OUT THERE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS. AND THEN BEFORE I FORGET, WE ACTUALLY BILL MONITEAU COUNTY FOR A FUEL USAGE. IT'S ELECTRONIC. AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE THE DATA AND DETAIL TO THE COUNTY. AND WE SUBMIT A BILL FOR REIMBURSEMENT MONTHLY. SO WHO ARE YOUR WHO ARE THE APPRENTICES. LIKE ARE YOU FINDING THEM OUT OF LIKE WHAT'S THE IDEAL PATHWAY. SO HISTORICALLY, CITY OF IDAHO FALLS HAS NEVER REALLY HIRED ANYBODY AN APPRENTICE LEVEL.IT'S ALWAYS BEEN JOURNEY LEVEL. SO WE HAVE ONE APPRENTICE SO FAR, A RECENT GRADUATE, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE. HAPPENING. RIGHT. SO YES, YES.
SO WE'RE WE'RE CURRENTLY PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN TO BRING ON SOME TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES DURING OUR, OUR BUSIER TIMES OF THE YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE DURING THE WINTER, DURING STORM SEASON, AS WELL AS IN THE SUMMER WHEN THE PARKS AND REC AND A LOT OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS BRING ON THEIR TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL PROJECTS. SO WHEN THAT WHEN THAT PROGRAM GETS GOING, OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN BRING SOME PEOPLE FROM CEI, FROM BYU-IDAHO'S PROGRAM, DIESEL PROGRAMS. ISU HAS ONE HOPEFULLY BRING THEM IN DURING THEIR OFF TRACK SEMESTER. THEY CAN WORK TEMPORARILY. THE CITY CALLS IT THE EQUIPMENT SHOP AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GARNER SOME INTEREST IN IN COMING AND WORKING FOR A FLEET. IT'S OFTEN NOT IN THESE STUDENTS MINDS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 863 VEHICLES THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED EVERY YEAR. SO OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN GARNER SOME INTEREST FROM FROM STUDENTS, BRING THEM IN TEMPORARILY AFTER THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR SCHOOL AND BRING THEM IN AS APPRENTICES. THEY CAN ACHIEVE THEIR. LABOR REQUIREMENTS. AT THE CITY. STAN, WE HAVE TO. I'M THINKING OF THE SMASH UP OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN. MAYBE ONE IS THAT IN THE CONSTRUCTION TRADES, THEY OFTEN HAVE SOMETHING THEY CALL A COMBINE, WHERE THEY GET A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THOSE TRADES TOGETHER TO TRY TO GIVE THEM A TASTE OF WHAT, OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO TO BUILD SOMETHING AND TO APPLY THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF CARPENTRY SKILLS AND DRYWALL AND ALL THAT STUFF THEN. SO THINK OF THAT AND MAYBE HOW WE CAN APPLY THAT TO YOUR FIELD.
AND THEN I'M THINKING OF THE PROGRAM THAT AIC SPONSORS WITH US CALLED READERS BECOMING LEADERS. AND A BIG PART OF THAT IS TO GET SOME OF OUR MORE INTERESTING CITY EQUIPMENT, AND WE ROLL IT OUT TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND INVITE, I THINK IT'S THE THIRD GRADERS TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE EQUIPMENT. AND, AND THERE'S USUALLY A PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE WHO SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE USE THIS STUFF OUT OF THE SEWERS, OR WE USE THIS TO, YOU KNOW, PAINT THE STRIPES OF THE ROAD. AND KIDS ARE FASCINATED BY THAT AND WONDERING IF THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAY TO GET. FACE TIME WITH SOME OF THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WHO MIGHT BE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, TECHNICIANS AND BRING SOME INTERESTING EQUIPMENT TO A SCHOOL. AND WHETHER YOU DO IT
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CONSISTENTLY ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE A QUARTER DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, BUT JUST WHET THEIR APPETITE. AND I THINK THAT IF A STUDENT WERE TEETERING, IF THEY HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM YOU AND OR SOME OF YOUR STAFF, IT MIGHT BE KIND OF FUN FOR THEM. BUT JUST AN IDEA OF A WAY TO GENERATE OUR OWN INTEREST? YES, ABSOLUTELY, DEFINITELY CAN SAY THAT. BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE REALLY IT'S YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT AND AND THAT YOU HAVE FULL STAFFING AT 15 RIGHT NOW IS VERY IMPRESSIVE GIVEN THE ODDS THAT YOU'RE FACING. IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE. BUT YES, WE'RE THERE. AND SO PART OF THAT CHALLENGE, A SUPERVISOR OFTEN JUST SAYS, OH, WE GOT TO PAY HIM A LITTLE MORE TO RETAIN THEM, OR WE GOT TO PAY A LITTLE MORE TO TO ATTRACT THEM. ARE YOU FINDING THAT MONEY IS A PART OF IT OR IS THERE IS THERE ARE THERE OTHER THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH? THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS. MONEY IS PART OF IT. YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE THE THE INCREASING INCREASED COMPLEXITY OF VEHICLES, THAT GENERALLY MEANS THAT TECHNICIANS ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE TRAINED MORE. YOU KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS AGO, I THINK A PERSON COULD COME OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND JUST FIND IN THE INDUSTRY, THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE TODAY. YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEBODY TO TO BE A JOURNEY LEVEL TECHNICIAN THERE, COLLEGE EDUCATED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COLLEGE EDUCATED, PROFESSIONAL, WHICH IS WHICH IS A GREAT THING. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THE CITY EXPANDS, WHICH IT IS, THIS COMMUNITY IS GROWING VERY RAPIDLY. OUR FLEET IS GOING TO GROW RAPIDLY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO EXPAND OUR STAFF OUT THERE. AS THE CITY GROWS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE TECHNICIANS TO COVER IT.AT TIMES IT FEELS LIKE. THERE'S QUITE THE COMPETITION FOR AVAILABLE TECHNICIANS TO COME AND APPLY. YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIND. WAGES IS OFTEN A CONCERN FOR FOR THESE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES.
SO DEFINITELY SEE THAT'S PART OF IT. ONE THING I CAN SAY IS THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS OFFERS A BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT YOU DO NOT SEE ELSEWHERE IN THIS INDUSTRY. SO OFTEN WE CAN WE CAN ENTICE EMPLOYEES TO TO ACCEPT A JOB THAT MAYBE THEY WERE ON THE FENCE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED SOLELY ON, ON WAGES. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT NOT ONLY THE CITY WILL FACE, BUT ANY REPAIR SHOP, ANY SERVICE DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND THEN YOU LAYER IN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, IT ADDS ANOTHER LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY. IT DOES. YEAH. FOR SURE. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAN. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE.
OKAY. THANKS. STAN HAS PERSONALLY HELPED ME A GREAT DEAL. THE CITY VEHICLE THAT I DRIVE. SO OUR NEXT DIVISION IS BUILDING MAINTENANCE. THIS IS ALAN MUIR. HE IS OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE SUPERINTENDENT, AND HE'S GOING TO GO OVER, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE DIVISION. OKAY. YOU SEE THE BUDGET NUMBERS THERE? A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT MOVES IN OUR DEPARTMENT COMES BACK THROUGH RECORDED TRANSFER BECAUSE WE DO CHARGE A FEW YEARS BACK. MARK TO HELP US, HELPED US IMPLEMENT A SITUATION WHERE WE RECEIVE FUNDS BACK FOR THE TIME SPENT, WHICH HELPS OUR BUDGET OUT AND GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE. WE DO REPAIR MAINTENANCE ON OVER 300 CITY BUILDINGS, AND THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM THE BUILDING YOU'RE SITTING IN DOWN TO THE RESTROOMS AND HOUSES AND YOU NAME. WE RECENTLY FINISHED UP THE CITY HALL PROGRAM FOR THE CITY HALL ELEVATOR. THAT WAS NICE. I HOPE YOU'RE ALL ENJOYING IT. AS FAR AS POSITIONS, WE DO HAVE 13 POSITIONS I HAVE. I HAVE TWO LICENSED, INCLUDING MYSELF, TWO LICENSED ELECTRICIANS. I HAVE TWO LICENSED HVAC REPAIR TECHS. I HAVE ONE LICENSED PLUMBER RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVE A APPRENTICE PLUMBER. HE'S WORKED WITH US FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT HE CAME TO US LAST YEAR AND ASKED US IF HE COULD DO AN APPRENTICESHIP. SO WE'RE HELPING HIM SPONSORING HIM IN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM IN THE PLUMBING INDUSTRY. RIGHT NOW. I HAVE A FOREMAN. JASON HALL IS MY FOREMAN. YOU'LL SEE HIM RUNNING AROUND AND CHECKING ON THE CREW AND KEEPING THE CREW MOVING. WE HAVE OUR TECHNICIANS GO FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, I HAVE EXPERIENCED, EXPERIENCED PAINTERS. YOU'VE SEEN IN ACTION. YOU KNOW THAT. THAT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE. THE REC
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CENTER GOT PAINTED LAST WEEK BY. MIKE SIMMONS IS OUR PAINTER. HE'S WORKING AS OUR PAINTER. HE CAME ON AS A LABORER. WE WE STOLE HIM FROM THE FROM THE AIRPORT YEARS AGO. AND I SAW HIS ABILITY AND SAID, HEY, I COULD USE YOU AS MAINTENANCE. HE CAME ON AS A LABORER, GENERAL LABORER. AND NOW HE'S OUR HEAD PAINTER. AND HE DOES AN AWESOME JOB. WE HAVE CARPENTER, WE HAVE A FULL TIME CARPENTER. YOU SEE HIM MOTORING AROUND IN YOUR OFFICES. AS FAR AS THE BUILDING STEWARDSHIP PROGRAM IS CONCERNED, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN THAT. YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS WE'VE ALWAYS JUST GREASED THE SQUEAKY WHEEL, BUT NOW WE ARE HAVING TO STEP BACK AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT OUR SYSTEMS AND OUR BUILDINGS AND ASK OURSELVES, OKAY, WE NEED TO FIND THESE SQUEAKY WHEELS BEFORE THEY BECOME WORSE. AND SO WE ARE REALLY IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO PRIORITIZING WORK AND FINDING THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE THEY BECOME A BIG PROBLEM, AND IT'S HELPED US A LOT. WE ARE WORKING ON THE BOILER AT THE AQUATIC CENTER. THAT'S THAT GREEN ONE THAT YOU SEE UP THERE ON THAT TOP PICTURE THAT IS ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE THAT ALONG. EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. IT WAS WORN OUT WHEN I CAME TO WORK HERE, AND I'VE BEEN HERE A FEW YEARS, SO IT'S TIME FOR AN UPGRADE ON THAT. WE'RE WORKING WITH PARKS AND REC TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD CONTRACTOR THAT'S GOING TO COME ON AND GET US SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. SO WE ARE WE WE DO WANT TO DO THE PROJECT IN THE BASEMENT OF CITY HALL. WE WOULD LIKE TO UPGRADE THE RESTROOMS IN THE BASEMENT OF CITY HALL. THERE ARE NO ADA ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS IN CITY HALL. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE AN ELEVATOR, THE BUILDING'S ADA ACCESSIBLE. IT'S TIME WE START LOOKING AT THAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK AT THAT. WITH THAT, I JUST OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS. ANYTHING YOU MIGHT HAVE, I CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT BUILDING MEANS. DOES. ARE YOUR OFFICES STILL ON 10TH STREET? THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF 10TH AND BOULEVARD. YEAH. OKAY, GOOD.AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALLEN HAS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB ON SINCE MOVING INTO OUR SUPERINTENDENT ROLE IS, IS MAKING IT MORE OF A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WITHIN DEPARTMENTS. NORMALLY IN THE PAST WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T GET A LOT OF INTER-DEPARTMENTAL TYPE OF PROJECTS, BUT SOME OF THE ONES YOU'VE SEEN HAS BEEN THE DEHUMIDIFICATION SYSTEM AT THE AQUATICS CENTER. THAT WAS A MULTI MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL EFFORT THERE. AND AND AS ALLEN'S MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE BOILER, DOING THE PMS ON IS ONE THING, BUT ALSO MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO ACTUALLY MOVE THAT BOILER OUT OF THAT LETTER, THAT'S ACTUALLY A LADDER THAT YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN INTO THAT AREA. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE IT OUTSIDE. IT'S STILL GOING TO BE COVERED, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE IN A STORAGE AREA THAT'S STILL PART OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER AND LESS RISKY TO DO THE PMS ON THAT. THAT BOILER, THAT BOILER CONTRACT YOU ACTUALLY APPROVED WITH COUNCIL, I BELIEVE IT WAS SEPTEMBER 11TH.
WE DID A WALK THROUGH LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. AND THEN JUST SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS, YOU KNOW, REROOF THE RECREATION CENTER BEFORE THEY INSTALLED THE THE NEW FLOORING OVER THERE, AND THEN ALSO THE BID THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ALLEN, I THINK THE BID THAT WE GOT TO PAINT THE REC CENTER WAS GOING TO BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND $15,000. AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IT WHAT IT WOULD COST US INTERNALLY. AND IF IT'S MORE EFFICIENT AND LESS EXPENSIVE AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT, IT SAVES THE DEPARTMENT AND IT SAVES PARKS AND REC QUITE A BIT OF MONEY BY ALLOWING US TO KIND OF DO PHASES OF IT WITH WEATHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S YOU GOT THE SAME OUTCOME, WHICH IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED AND REPAINTED. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE THE CUSTODIAL STAFF THAT'S INCLUDED IN ALL THOSE POSITIONS. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CUSTODIAN LEFT WITH US.
SHE'S CLEANS THIS BUILDING. YEAH. AND SHE ACTUALLY HAS SHE'S ASSISTED BY A CONTRACT.
OKAY. SO SHE WORKS FIVE NIGHTS A WEEK, BUT SHE'S SHE'S OUR GO TO IN THIS BUILDING. BUT WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT ASSISTS HER ON SOME OF THE CLEANING. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE 350 BUILDINGS YOU SAY YEAH, THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT SOMEWHERE IN THAT, SOMEWHERE IN THAT 300 RANGE. SO AND SHE, SHE'S REALLY GOOD. THIS IS KIND OF LIKE HER BABY. SHE TAKES REALLY GOOD CARE OF HER A LOT. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO I KNOW YOU PROBABLY NOTICED LAST WEEK THE COMPANY THAT ASSISTS HER WASH DOWN THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEY DID A PRESSURE WASH. YEAH. AND SHE THEY DID A NICE JOB. THEY'RE THEY'RE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP WORKING THERE. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO COME IN AND HELP HER OUT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE
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ANOTHER POSITION. YEAH. AND SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE SHIFTED OVER THE YEARS PRIOR TO ME JOINING THE CITY OPTED TO GO WITH HER OWN CUSTODIAL SERVICE. SO THE TWO REMAINING BUILDINGS WERE THIS BUILDING, CITY HALL ANNEX AND CITY HALL, THE CITY HALL BUILDING, AND THEN OUR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY REMAINED WITHIN MUNICIPAL SERVICES. SO WE MONITOR THOSE CONTRACTS AND ADMINISTER THE WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE BUILDINGS. OKAY, THANKS. OKAY.I JUST WOULD SAY NOT UNLIKE WHAT STAN'S FACING. I BELIEVE YOU'RE FACING SOME OF THE SAME CONSTRAINTS WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR WORKFORCE. IT'S NOT EASY TO FILL POSITIONS. I THINK YOU'RE WEARING TWO HATS AT THIS TIME. YEAH. AND SO JUST ENLIGHTEN US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE STRUGGLES. WELL, BECAUSE OF THE THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF BUILDING THAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR AREA, WE CAN'T FIND LICENSED TECHNICIANS TO BE A TO BE A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN, HVAC TECHNICIAN. IT'S A FOUR YEAR PROGRAM. YOU HAVE TO BE IN COLLEGE TWO NIGHTS A WEEK FOR FOUR YEARS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE 8000 HOURS OF TRAINING ON THE JOB TRAINING, AND THAT'S AN APPRENTICESHIP. SO IT BOILS DOWN TO 800 HOURS OF OF CLASS TIME, OF WHICH YOU PROBABLY BETTER HAVE ABOUT SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, IT TOOK ANOTHER 800 HOURS OF STUDYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, AND THEN 8000 HOURS OF ON THE JOB TRAINING. SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE A LICENSED JOURNEYMAN, WHETHER HE'S AN HVAC TECHNICIAN, A PLUMBER OR AN ELECTRICIAN, THAT'S WHAT HE'S DONE. THAT'S WHERE HE'S AT. AND THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH OF THEM OUT THERE. AND OUR AREA IS RECEIVING SO MUCH GROWTH THAT WE'RE NOT COMPETITIVE WITH THEM. WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR BEST. AND LIKE STAN MENTIONED, WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT BENEFIT PACKAGE, AND THAT WAS WHAT BROUGHT ME TO THE CITY. I WASN'T READY TO COME TO THE CITY. I WAS ENJOYING WHERE I WAS, I, I ENJOYED COMMERCIAL ELECTRICAL AND BUT THE BENEFIT PACKAGE SPOKE TO ME AND I WAS RAISING A FAMILY AT THE TIME.
SO OUR BENEFIT PACKAGE HELPS, BUT WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING WITH WITH HAVING CLOSING THAT GAP BETWEEN WHAT PEOPLE NEED AND WHAT WE CAN OFFER. SO THANK YOU. OKAY, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, FRONTIER CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS. SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I WAS GOING TO TRY TO GET HERE, BUT HE HAD A FAMILY MATTER HE NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF. SO THE BUDGET IS $737,000. IS OUR OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WE DO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WHERE WE'RE LEVERAGING IDAHO FALLS ARTS COUNCIL. THEY ALREADY HAVE AN OFFICE. THEY HAVE PHONES. THEY HAVE A COMPUTER THAT CAN DO TICKETING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. SO WE'VE BEEN ENJOYING A VERY POSITIVE, COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH IDAHO FALLS ARTS COUNCIL. AND IT'S INCLUDED IN THAT BUDGETED LINE ITEM. IT'S ABOUT $75,000 CONTRACT. WE ALSO WORK WITH IDAHO FALLS ARTS COUNCIL TO DO A BENCHMARKING STUDY. WE GENERALLY DO BENCHMARKING STUDIES EVERY THREE YEARS WITH LIGHT TYPE OF AUDITORIUM RENTAL AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE OVER THE OVER HERE AT THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. SO WE DO THAT EVERY THREE YEARS.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO A MARKET STUDY NEXT YEAR AS PART OF OUR BUDGET. A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED ME TO SHARE WITH YOU. AND THAT IS IS HE HE DID WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE COUNCIL AND THE FRONTIER CREDIT UNION AND THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN MEMBERS FOR SUPPORTING THE INSTALLATION OF THE LOBBY EXPANSION, ADA RESTROOMS. IT'S JUST REALLY GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION AND PEOPLE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. SO HE REALLY WANTED TO THANK YOU PERSONALLY FOR THAT. HE ALSO ADDING THAT WE ARE AVERAGE BOOKING IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 150 TO 200 DAYS A YEAR, AND SO FAR THIS YEAR WE HAVE HAD 182 BOOKINGS, 55 CONTRACTS AND 1447 CONTRACTED HOURS. THEY'RE MOSTLY WEEKENDS AND EVENINGS AND THEIR PERFORMANCES AND PRACTICES AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OUR RENTAL FACILITY REVENUE IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 140 TO $150,000 ANNUALLY. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. WE'RE DOING LOWER LEVEL RESTROOM UPGRADES, WHICH WE'VE DONE. WE'RE UPGRADING. WE HAD A WE HAD A SITUATION WITH ONE OF OUR REHEARSAL ROOMS DURING THE MAY 23RD, 2023 FLOOD, SO WE HAD TO MAKE SOME ARRANGEMENTS WITH THAT WITH THE FLOORING UPGRADE. AND THEN WE ALSO DID A COMBINED FLOORING UPGRADE PROJECT WITH THE SCHOOL. OVER THIS PAST SUMMER. SO THERE'S STILL THINGS THAT NEED TO GET TAKEN CARE OF. IT'S AN OLD BUILDING, BUT OUR BONES ARE GOOD, SO PLAN FUTURE PROJECTS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LOBBY EXPANSION, THE ADA RESTROOMS IN ABOUT FEBRUARY OR MARCH OF 2026.
IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THERE, THEY'RE MAKING A LOT OF HEADWAY. AND WE WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE CONTRACTOR AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THIS IS ON A LATER SLIDE AS
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WELL. BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REPAIR THE THE PARKING LOT ASPHALT. WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO A THIRD, A THIRD AND A THIRD. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE LAST TWO THIRDS AFTER THE CONTRACTOR MOVES OUT THEIR EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT STAGED THERE.AND THEN ALSO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO DO A RUN ON RENTAL RATE BENCHMARKING.
STUDY. THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE IS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEEL. THIS IS ONE OF THE I BELIEVE IT'S A SOUNDS CHOIR COMPLETELY FULL. IT IS A WELL LOVED WELL USED FACILITY. SO CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. YEAH, IT WAS A SHOW JUST RECENTLY AND IT WORKED OUT OKAY.
EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO GO UP THE RAMP AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR. AND SO WE'RE HOPING SO YEAH THE FACILITIES STAYING OPEN YEAR ROUND. WE DO HAVE WE ACTUALLY REPURPOSED AN ADA RAMP.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME OF OUR LARGER PRODUCTIONS THAT WE HAVE. THEY HAVE ACTUALLY DONE VIDEOS FOR THEIR TICKET HOLDERS OF HOW YOU CAN GET IN. AND AND WE HAVE A PARKING UP FRONT. WE IT'S REALLY BEEN A TEAM EFFORT, NOT ONLY WITH, WITH OUR TEAM AND THE CONSTRUCTION TEAM AND OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM, PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN TERRIFIC TO WORK WITH. AND SO THEY'VE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL GETTING PEOPLE IN AND OUT AND HELPING US OUT WITH SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE NEEDED ALONG THAT HOLMES JOHN ADAMS CORRIDOR. OKAY, SO I'VE JUST GOT A COUPLE MORE SLIDES LEFT. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WAITING, SO I'LL TRY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT FAST. SO YEAH, WE DO HAVE A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT WE FOCUS A LOT ON ALIGNING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING WITH THE ASPIRATIONS AND THE PRIORITIES OF COUNCIL. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE IS ANOTHER WHEEL HERE. AGAIN, THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY, SAFE WORKPLACES AND OUR DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY. SO ALL OF THESE ARE THINGS ON THE OUTSIDE BOXES OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO SUPPORT THOSE ASPIRATIONS. AND THEN ALSO WE ALSO HAVE THE GOOD GOVERNANCE, FINANCIAL STABILITY AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER ASPIRATIONS AS WELL, THAT WE ARE ALIGNING OUR FIVE YEAR PLANS TO SUPPORT THOSE THOSE PROCESSES. A LOT OF THEM WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BIG THING THAT I THINK THE BIG THEME OF THE LAST COUPLE YEARS HAS BEEN THE EFFICIENT USE OF OPERATIONAL RESOURCES, STRONG SOLID FOUNDATIONS, SO WE CAN BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC ON CITY FINANCES. AND THEN UPCOMING BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS. SO SOME THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IS FINANCE AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME WORKSPACE CONCERNS. WE'RE YOUR TEAM AS MARK MENTIONED WITH THE ERP IS TEMPORARILY LOCATED OVER THE D STREET BUILDING, WHICH IS JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE ON THE CORNER. SO WE'VE GOT PEOPLE OVER THERE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO COME BACK. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS SOME WORKSPACE CONCERNS. WHAT WE DID AT THE BEGINNING WHEN WE REHIRED SOME OF OUR IT STAFF, IS WE, WHAT I AFFECTIONATELY CALL DOUBLE BUNK THEM SO THEY COULD PULL SYNERGY OFF OF ONE ANOTHER. SO WHEN ONE MOVED ACROSS THE STREET, THERE WAS ONE REMAINING AND THEY COULD WORK TOGETHER AND CREATE THAT TEAM SYNERGY THERE FOR THE FRONTIER CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS, WITH THE ADDITIONAL EXPANSION AND ADDITIONAL USE OF THE FACILITY, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT REQUESTING A FUTURE ASSISTANT AUDITORIUM MANAGER AND HAS A VARIETY OF SEASONALS. BUT AGAIN, SEASONALS ONLY WORK PART OF THE YEAR. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE THAT CAN STILL BE A RESOURCES WITH MORE SPACE BECOMES MORE IN A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE AND CUSTODIAL TYPES OF THINGS. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR TO STRAP ON A A VACUUM CLEANER ON HIS BACK AND VACUUM. BUT AGAIN, WE DO NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED ON THE FLOORS AND VACUUMING AND WIPING THINGS DOWN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, AS JOSEPH HAD MENTIONED EARLIER ON HIS SLIDE, ADDITIONAL POSITION FOR CONTROLLED ACCESS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE HAD ASKED FOR IN THE 2526. BUT IT WAS A FUTURE REQUEST BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE HAD A LOT OF BUDGET CHALLENGES GOING ON. SO WE DID PLACEHOLDER THAT FOR A FUTURE REQUEST. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME FUTURE FACILITY NEEDS. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO AS WE GROW AND HAVE MORE EMPLOYEES CITYWIDE. AND IT'LL BE A IT'LL BE A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE SEVERAL, AS I MENTIONED, LONG TERM AGREEMENTS THAT ARE STILL IN PLACE FOR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. AND SO WE LOOK AT THOSE AND WE PLAN ACCORDINGLY WITH THOSE SOME UPCOMING PROJECTS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE LOBBY EXPANSION HOPEFULLY WILL BE DONE EITHER FEBRUARY OR MARCH TIME FRAME. THEN WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THE PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT. WE GOT TO WAIT TILL IT GETS A LITTLE WARMER
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OUTSIDE BECAUSE WE WANT THAT ASPHALT TO STICK. AND SO WE ALSO WANT TO DO IT WHILE THE KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL. SO THAT WAY WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE SWATH, TWO THIRDS THAT WE CAN WORK ON AT ONE TIME. AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE, AS ALLEN MENTIONED, REPLACE THE BOILER AT THE AQUATIC CENTER. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FALL OR SPRING FOR THAT. WE'VE GOT TO ORDER THE THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. BUT AGAIN WE DID A WALK THROUGH, I BELIEVE IT WAS SEPTEMBER 11TH WITH THE PARK STAFF, OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE STAFF KIND OF COMING UP WITH A GAME PLAN.SO IT'S COMING ALONG VERY, VERY NICELY. THAT'S A $260,000 BOILER REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
THEN, AS MARK MENTIONED, THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION SUMMER OF 2026 AND THEN THE CITY HALL ANNEX, PARKING LOT AND CONCRETE IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON ON OUR STREETS PUBLIC WORKS STREETS GROUP. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ALSO IN THE SUMMER MONTHS WHEN WE'VE GOT SOME WARM WEATHER. SO THAT SO THAT APPLICATION WILL STICK.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT, AS I MENTIONED, THE THE PUBLIC RESTROOM UPGRADES. YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY THOSE UPGRADES UNTIL WE KNEW THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ELEVATOR. THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE TEARING THINGS DOWN AND PUTTING IT BACK TOGETHER. SO WE DID A WALKTHROUGH WITH AN ARCHITECT LAST WEEK, AND WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL TO GET THAT STARTED. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND THEN AS MARK MENTIONED, FINANCIAL POLICY IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE YOU'LL SEE COMING TO YOU. WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT ON THOSE. AND WE'RE LEVERAGING THEIR EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. AND WITH THAT I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. HOPEFULLY IT WAS AS THOROUGH AND HELPFUL AS YOU WERE HOPING. IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT? OKAY. WELL, IF YOU DO THINK OF THINGS THAT YOU THINK IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR MUNICIPAL SERVICES TO COVER, PLEASE LET THEM KNOW. SHE'S THE KIND OF PERSONALITY THAT'S ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE. I WILL SAY THAT IN PARTICULAR, ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT PAM HAS MADE IS TO HAVE THAT EYE TOWARD HELPING VARIOUS DIVISIONS WITHIN HER DEPARTMENT TO CREATE PROFESSIONAL TRACKS FOR THEIR FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. AND SO AS YOU HEAR ABOUT ACCOUNTING ONE OR TECHNICIAN ONE, TWO, THREE, WHATEVER, THAT IS A AN INNOVATION THAT SHE HAS OR A PRACTICE THAT SHE HAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY IN TRYING TO HELP BOTH PROFESSIONALIZE AND INCENTIVIZE EMPLOYEES TO ENTER IN, KEEP THEM, YOU KNOW, ON A PATH TO GETTING TO IMPROVE THEMSELVES. AND SO IT'S SOMETHING I DEEPLY APPRECIATED. AND THANK YOU, MARY. WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO GET EXCITED ABOUT CONTRIBUTING TO GOVERNMENT WORK. IT IS A IT'S A NOBLE AND IT'S A SERVANT ORIENTED POSITION. BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED AND THEY WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE DO. AND AND IT'S BEEN A REAL PLEASURE. WE'VE HAD A PRETTY ROBUST INTERN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM IN OUR ACCOUNTING, OUR FINANCE DIVISION, WHICH TURNED INTO POSITIONS WHERE THEY DID THE INTERNSHIP, AND THEN THEY ENDED UP WE ENDED UP HAVING A A POSITION OPEN. MEGAN ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THEM, AND NOW SHE'S OUR TREASURER OPERATIONS MANAGER MANY YEARS LATER. SO IT DOES WORK. IT DOES WORK. BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET EXCITED. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE PROVIDE ACCOUNTABLE CUSTOMERS, ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNMENT SERVICE, BUT ALSO EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE EVERY DAY. VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBERS I THINK WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU. BUT I DO HAVE, I GUESS, A PERSONAL REQUEST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO LISTEN TO THE NEXT 1 OR 2 PRESENTATIONS ON MY PHONE WHILE I GO AND PREPARE SOME PAPERWORK THAT I NEED TO GET READY, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE BOARDING A PLANE RIGHT AFTER THIS MEETING, AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS THE PLANE. AND SO BECAUSE I'M STUCK IN THE OFFICE
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TRYING TO PRINT SOMETHING, SO I'M GOING TO LISTEN DURING THESE, AND I'M GOING TO TURN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE MEETING OVER TO LISA, IF THAT'S OKAY. AND AND IN PARTICULAR, SHE'S EXCELLENT AND AN EXCELLENT CHOICE TO LEAD THE NEXT TOPIC, WHICH IS HAVING TO DO WITH THE HIGH CAPACITY ROADWAY STUDY AND THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND SO I'M GOING TO SNEAK OUT. I'LL BE BACK. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. HOW ARE YOU? SO SO WE GO. ALL INCHES ON. YEAH JUAN, AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE TODAY TO CHAT A LITTLE BIT. I'M GOING TO TRY TO PASS THE MIC OFF HERE REALLY QUICKLY. CHRIS CANFIELD'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH SOME SLIDES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN YOUR COUNCIL PACKET. I BELIEVE BOTH THE PROPOSED ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN AND HIGH CAPACITY ROADWAY STUDY WAS INCLUDED. AND SO MY PITCH IS JUST THIS. WE INTERACT WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER TRANSPORTATION ENTITIES IN THE AREA. COUNTY AUSTIN IS HERE TODAY AS WELL AND WE APPRECIATE HIM COMING. BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TO[01:55:02]
WORK, WE DO HAVE TO COORDINATE WHEN OUR ROADS AND OUR BOUNDARY AND THEY PICK UP AN AMATEUR IN THE COUNTY. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT COORDINATION AND THAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. SO THROUGH THE MPO, I'D LIKE TO COMMEND THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE. AND ALSO THE IDAHO FALLS MEMBERS OF WHICH WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, FIVE OF THE 13 TAC MEMBERS TO TO WORK THROUGH THIS.BUT WITH THAT, I'LL PROBABLY JUST TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS TO RUN THROUGH THE SLIDES. AND THEN KIND OF A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN FOLKWORKS AND CDS AND TRYING TO PUT THIS PLAN INTO THESE PLANNING DOCUMENTS TOGETHER. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER. OKAY. GREAT.
THANKS, CHRIS. SO I'VE GOT A SLIDE PRESENTATION. IT'S ABOUT 30 SLIDES APPROXIMATELY. IT KIND OF STARTS WITH A BACKGROUND OF MPO AND WHAT IT ENTAILS, THE STUDY AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND ADOPT. SO. HANG ON. IS IT NOT LETTING YOU CLICK ON IT. NO. OKAY. GREAT. NOW THANK YOU. SO THE MPO IS MADE UP OF IDAHO FALLS COUNTY AREA HAMMOND, YUKON IONA AND BASICALLY THE URBANIZED PORTIONS OF BONNEVILLE COUNTY. IT'S. SELECTED OR DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR OF IDAHO FOR. AND IT'S BASICALLY TO ADMINISTER FEDERAL FUNDS, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN OUR AREA.
WE'RE ONE OF SIX MPOS IN THE STATE. AND AGAIN, HERE'S THE THE LOGOS FOR THE VARIOUS ENTITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH WITH MPO. SO WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE WE'RE COMPRISED OF WHAT WE CALL A TAC TECHNICAL ADVISORY COUNCIL OR COMMITTEE AND THE POLICY, THE POLICY BOARD OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE MPO BOARD AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETS, USUALLY PRIOR TO THE POLICY BOARD, TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POLICIES AS ENCOUNTERED FOR APPROVAL. SO AGAIN, SOME MORE DETAIL. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THESE VERBATIM, BUT I WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAST. SO YOU DO HAVE THREE MEMBERS OF THE MPO CURRENTLY HERE AND LAST YEAR. SO SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN NECESSARILY GO TOO FAST. OKAY.
THANK YOU. BUT AGAIN IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE GAPS. SO SO TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE PER THE BYLAWS IS CONSISTS OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES WITHIN THE AGENCIES.
PUBLIC WORKS HAS TWO MEMBERS. PARKS HAS ONE GIFT HAS A MEMBER. PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND AND PLANNING. FORGET ME. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE POLICY MEMBERS ARE, AS YOU POINTED OUT, LISA, THERE'S THREE OF US HERE THAT ARE PART OF POLICY BOARD ALONG WITH THE OTHER MEMBER AGENCIES.
SO HERE WE ARE AT THE HIGH CAPACITY ROADWAY STUDY AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS JUST GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE AND KIND OF CHECK IN WHAT I LIKE TO CALL IT A CHECK IN, BECAUSE BMP IS MANTRA IS TO PLAN TRANSPORTATION ACTIVITIES IN THE AREAS. WE DID. THE LAST ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATE WAS IN 2012, AND THERE WERE SOME STUDIES DONE IN 2010 PRIOR TO THAT. ORIGINALLY IT WAS STARTED IN 98, BUT SO THE PURPOSE OF THE HIGH CAPACITY ROADWAY STUDY. SO THIS ONE'S KIND OF HARD TO READ, BUT IT'S TO EVALUATE CURRENT TRAFFIC CONDITIONS, IDENTIFY CONGESTION, CHOKE POINTS AND SAFETY CONCERNS, DEVELOP PRACTICAL, DATA DRIVEN SOLUTIONS TO IMPROVE FLOW, SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY. GUIDE STRATEGIC INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS AND ENSURE TRANSPORTATION NETWORKING MEETS COMMUNITY NEEDS. THE BIGGIE FOR US IS RIGHT OF WAY AND ACCESS PRESERVATION ON ROADS WE NEED IN THE FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TRAFFIC EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY THROUGH THE AREA.
THE PURPOSE OF THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN IS AGAIN TO IMPROVE SAFETY CONDITIONS, ENHANCE TRAFFIC FLOW AND SURFACE DELAYS, GUIDE THE PLACEMENT AND DESIGN OF ACCESS POINTS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE REFERENCE NEW AND EXISTING. WE WORK WITH DEVELOPERS ON EXISTING APPROACHES WHERE WE CAN, BUT PRIMARILY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT GUIDES THE PLAN. BALANCING MOBILITY NEEDS AND LOCAL PRIORITY PROPERTY ACCESS SUPPORT, LONG TERM CORRIDOR EFFICIENCY AND PROTECT THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT INFRASTRUCTURE. WHAT EXCITES ME IS AS WE WORK THROUGH THE MPO, THE COUNTY CITY INTERFACE IS AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC AND HAVING US WORKING TOGETHER ON A COMMON PLAN IS VERY BENEFICIAL FOR OUR COMMON GOALS. SO AGAIN, IN THE
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PAST STUDIES, THE FIRST PLAN WAS REFERENCED IN 1998 AND IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE MPO, THE CURRENT ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER IS DATED 2012. AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN, KIND OF A CHECK IN. AND SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS WE LOOK AT OUR EXISTING ROUTE CONDITIONS, OUR GROWTH PATTERNS. SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DID IT IN OUR STUDIES. AND WE CARRY FORWARD OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT WE THINK OUR FUTURE DEMANDS ARE AND NEEDS. SO NOW THE HISTORY OF OUR PROJECTS AND WHAT WE'VE CONDUCTED TO DATE. SO IN NOVEMBER OF OF 2023, WE HAD KIND OF A I'LL CALL IT A KICKOFF MEETING, A PUBLIC MEETING AT CEI, ABOUT 200 PEOPLE THAT ATTENDED AND GAVE GUIDANCE. AND WE BASICALLY SPIT OUT, HEY, HERE'S OUR AREA, ARTERIALS. HOW DO WE THINK WE WANT TO MOVE TRAFFIC IN THE FUTURE? IN OCTOBER? SO ABOUT ROUGHLY A YEAR LATER, WE CAME UP WITH A CAN I BACK YOU BACK FOR JUST ONE SECOND? THE ONE POINT THAT I WANTED TO MENTION THAT HAPPENED IN THAT NOVEMBER 14TH MEETING WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT PEOPLE WANTED ABOUT A LOOP, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DROVE LIKE SEVERAL OF THE CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD. WE HEARD THAT A LOT WAS WE HEARD THAT IN THAT PUBLIC MEETING MANY TIMES, WE NEED WE NEED A LOOP AROUND THE CITY. SO THAT KIND OF DROVE THE CONVERSATION. I MEAN, AND WE ENDED UP WHERE WE'LL END UP. BUT THAT IS THE THAT IS THE REASON THAT THAT PUBLIC INPUT DROVE THE SOUTHERN END AND ALL THE WAY AROUND THE LOOP. SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT. AND THAT'S THE PART OF THE 2012 ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN DOES REFERENCE AN INTERIOR AND AN EXTERIOR BELT. BELT WAY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED. PART OF THIS STUDY WAS TO EVALUATE OUR ARTERIALS AND SEE OUR HOW. HOW FAR ARE WE BEYOND THE CAPACITY TO PRESERVE THOSE BELTWAYS OR NOT, AND KIND OF CHECK IN ON OUR EXISTING ARTERIALS AND FUTURE NEEDS? THANK YOU FOR THOSE. SO ON OCTOBER 15TH, SO APPROXIMATELY A YEAR LATER, WE HAD WE DID SOME STUDIES, CAME UP WITH A PLAN, AND WE PRESENTED AN EXPRESSWAY CONCEPT ON THE SOUTH LIMITS SOUTH OF 65TH SOUTH. I'LL SAY WHENEVER YOU ASK A TRAFFIC ENGINEER HOW'S THE BEST WAY TO MOVE? TRAFFIC AND EXPRESSWAY COMES UP AS THE CONCEPT OF STUDY. SO. WE DID HAVE A THOUSAND PEOPLE ATTEND. PEOPLE WERE SPILLING OUT OF THE ENTRANCES. IT WAS AN INTERESTING MEETING. I'LL SAY THAT AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMENTS, AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE AGAINST THE CONCEPT OF THE EXPRESSWAYS. 500 OF THEM SAID THAT THAT YELLOW LINE WENT RIGHT THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. YEAH. SO BUT I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, GET THE PUBLIC OUT FOR A MEETING IS A GOOD THING, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. SO OCTOBER 15TH, AS A RESPONSE TO THAT, WE DID DO SOME ADDITIONAL MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER WHERE WE MET AT THE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS TO FURTHER CLARIFY, FURTHER DISCUSS AND HAVE A MORE ORGANIZED FORUM WITH OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GATHER COMMENTS AND TRY TO ADDRESS ISSUES IN A CONSISTENT FORMAT. SO CONCERNS WERE EXPRESSED, THE PUBLIC ATTENDED AND ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED WITH QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS SESSIONS IN THOSE TWO SETTINGS. ONE WAS IN THE EVENING AND ONE WAS DURING THE DAY. YEAH, APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO. SO ON MARCH 19TH, THE POLICY BOARD HELD A PUBLIC MEETING AND HEARD SOME PUBLIC COMMENT FROM FOLKS AND PRIMARILY AND THERE WAS ABOUT SEVEN ITEMS THAT WERE ACTUALLY EIGHT ITEMS THAT WERE NOTED TO BE ADDRESSED AS FAR AS THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATE AND HIGH CAPACITY ROADWAY STUDY IT WAS PRIMARILY TO SUPPORT AGRICULTURAL USE AND THAT I'LL CALL IT TRANSITION AREA, WHERE YOU'RE GETTING NEW NEIGHBORHOODS NEXT TO FARMS AND MAINTAINING ACCESS FOR BOTH THE FARM EQUIPMENT AND THE NEEDS FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK. IN APRIL OF 2025, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET. AND TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS. AND WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE IS INCORPORATED IN THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND IT IDENTIFIED TRANSITION AREAS AS A POINT TO MAKE NOTE OF AS WE PLAN OUR DEVELOPMENTS ACCORDINGLY, PRIMARILY TO THINK ABOUT ACCESS AND NOT GUARANTEE IT. YOU DON'T WANT COMPONENTS DRIVING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO. ON MAY 21ST, 2025, WE HAD A MEETING WITH BOTH THE HIGH CAPACITY ROADWAY STUDY AS WELL AS THE UPDATED ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. PUBLIC DID ATTEND THE MEETING, HOWEVER, NO[02:05:03]
COMMENT WAS GIVEN AT AT THAT TIME. SO THE BENEFITS. SO NOW WE'RE MOVING TO WHERE WE'RE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS ALL AGENCIES BASICALLY ADOPT THE NEW ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN.WHAT IT PROVIDES IS CONSISTENCY AND DECISION MAKING. STRONGER REGIONAL COORDINATION, IMPROVED FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. IF WE HAVE THE RIGHTS OF WAY AND THE ACCESSES AND WE CAN GIVE PROJECTS. BASICALLY SHOVEL READY SOONER, EFFICIENCY AND COST SAVINGS AGAIN DUE TO COORDINATE OUR PLANNING EFFORTS, PUBLIC TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY, FUTURE GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND ENHANCED SAFETY. CAN I ADD TO IMPROVE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES? ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT IF WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER, THEN WE'RE NOT FIGHTING EACH OTHER OVER DOLLARS, RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE POOLING OUR RESOURCES AND GOING IN ONE DIRECTION RATHER THAN HAVING SEPARATE PROJECTS THAT ARE MIGHT NEITHER ONE OF THEM GET FUNDED? BUT IF WE GET TOGETHER THEN MANY TIMES WE CAN. YEAH. AND THAT HELPS WITH THE COORDINATION EFFORTS BEHIND THE PLAN OF ALL AGENCIES TO PRIORITIZE THE EFFORTS THAT ARE NECESSARY. I'D EVEN SAY THAT JUST FOR THE COUNCIL, THAT HAVING THAT. REGIONAL APPROACH WHEN THERE IS A PROJECT, IT IS MORE LIKELY TO SAY, OH, HERE'S SOME EXTRA MONEY, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE RIGHT OF WAY AND YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS TOGETHER INSTEAD OF LIKE, OH, WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THESE TWO GROUPS THAT ARE GOING TO FIGHT ABOUT IT. SO I DO THINK THAT THERE'S OTHER AGENCIES THAT SIT BEHIND US. I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH IT SITS ON OUR BOARD, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAPPEN WITHOUT US IN THE ROOM THAT IS BETTER WHEN WE ARE ALIGNED. OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER, THE TWO THINGS THAT WILL SLOW DOWN A PROJECT ARE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. SO IF WE CAN, AND USUALLY GREAT ACQUISITION LEADS TO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT IT'S A IT'S A BIG DEAL. SO HERE'S A MAP. IT'S HARD TO READ BUT IT'S PART OF THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE POINT TO TO KIND OF IT'S A IT'S A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION MAP TO POINT OUT THESE ROADS ARE THESE TYPE OF ROADS THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR IN THE FUTURE. THEY DEFINE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS UPON DEVELOPMENT, AND IT REFERENCES THESE ROUTES. OR THERE'S ACCESS SPACING REQUIREMENTS THAT'S DICTATED IN THE PLAN ACCORDINGLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHANGED ON THIS MAP FROM THE LAST PLAN WAS THE LIMITS EXTENDED A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH. I THINK THE THE AT OUR NORTH BOUNDARY ON THE LAST PLAN WAS AT 1/13 NORTH AND THEN TO THE SOUTH. OUR BOUNDARY WAS JUST SHORT OF 81ST SOUTH KIND OF THING. SO WE'VE EXPANDED NORTH AND SOUTH AS OUR IMPACT AREA HAS GROWN A LITTLE BIT. WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THOSE ROUTES, AND THOSE ARE THE PURPLE PART, IS THAT CITY OF LITTLE FALLS OR. YES, OKAY. NO, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE BOUNDARY OF THE MPO. YEAH OKAY. URBAN AREA OF THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING AREA. OKAY. SO DESIRED OUTCOME AGAIN IS FOR ALL AGENCIES TO ADOPT THE PLAN GOING FORWARD, RECOGNIZE ITS VALUE AND ADMINISTER AND ENFORCE IT. SO NOW THIS IS WHERE I'LL CALL IT OUR TAILORED VERSION OF THE PRESENTATION FOR CITY STAFF. SO ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE PLAN WAS THE OLD ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN DID WHAT WE CALL A TRAVEL CONTEXT SYSTEM, WHERE WE WE IDENTIFIED BIKE PED PRIORITY ROUTES AND AND TRUCK AUTO PRIORITY ROUTES. AND THAT KIND OF DICTATED THE SECTION THAT WE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTING THE NEW ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN REFERENCES LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO SORT OUT WHERE DO YOU WANT. AND REALLY THE QUESTION IS WHERE DO YOU WANT ON STREET BIKE LANES? IF YOU WANT THE THE COMMITTEE OF THESE PLANS RECOMMENDED THAT WE SAY, HEY, SIDEWALKS ARE, YOU KNOW, FOR BIKE PED ALONG ARTERIAL ROADWAYS. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO SHARED USE PADS WIDER THAN THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND REMOVE ON STREET BIKE LANES BECAUSE IT IS A HIGHER THEY'RE HIGHER SPEED ROADWAYS SET TO MOVE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY IS DISCOURAGED WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE HIGHER SPEED ROADWAYS OR WHEN YOU HAVE ON STREET BIKE LANES. IT ALSO LEADS TO WHAT WE CALL BUFFERED A SEPARATION DISTANCE BETWEEN TRAFFIC AND THE AND THE ON STREET BIKE LANES. SO THERE WAS A REVISED SECTIONS IN THE PLANS.
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THERE'S ALSO SOME DETAILS. YOU'LL SEE SOME DIFFERENCES WHERE IN OUR ENGINEERING STANDARDS WE ESTABLISH LANE WIDTHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE PLAN REFERENCES. THIS IS A SECTION THAT COULD BE BUILT, THAT COULD FUNCTION, AND IT DEFINES THAT YOU'LL GET 100FT OF RIGHT OF WAY, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME DIFFERENCES IN OUR STANDARDS, THE COUNTY STANDARDS OR STANDARDS THAT WILL SAY, WELL, THE LANES ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN WIDTH OR THE CURVED SECTIONS. AND SO THOSE WOULD BE ENCUMBERED IN THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE THE SHARED USE PATHS AND AND THE ROADWAYS. SO, SO THERE WILL BE AN UPDATE TO OUR ENGINEERING STANDARDS AS WELL AS WE PROCEED FORWARD ON THE ARTERIAL ROADS. BUT BUT REGARDING ON STREET BIKE LANES, THAT'S THE SUBJECT THAT WE WANTED TO KIND OF CARRY FORWARD AS WELL. AGAIN, THIS IS ASIDE FROM THE ADOPTION OF THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN, RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE THAT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? I THINK IT'S GREAT. THIS IS FOR GOING FORWARD. RIGHT. THIS IS THE PLAN FOR THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE NEW ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. YEAH.BUT WE WOULDN'T UNLESS WE WERE TEARING OUT A WHOLE LANDSCAPE. WE WOULDN'T DO THIS IN ANY OF OUR CURRENT ARTILLERIES, LIKELY BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T OWN NO PROPERTIES. TYPICALLY, IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE IDEA IS THIS IS OUR TARGET FOR THE FUTURE ROADWAYS AND FUTURE ROUTES. IF AN AREA HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED WITH THE SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO THESE, YOU MIGHT SEE A TRANSITION. IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPGRADE IT WITH A PROJECT, WE WOULD EXPLORE IT.
IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION TO GET SOME BARRIERS? THAT WAS ONE THING ON THE ONES THAT EXIST, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE DID SOME GREAT WORK ON THE OUR SUNNYSIDE OUT TO THE EXIT. YOU KNOW, WITH THAT INWARD. AND THAT REALLY SOLVED THAT PROBLEM. SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE ON THE SIDEWALK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST WANT TO MENTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THIS PLAN OR ANYTHING. AND THEN THAT SECTION BETWEEN THE, THE PATHWAY. AND SO THE SECTION OF TREES, HOW WIDE I CAN'T REALLY READ WHY THAT IS. SO THAT BUFFERED SECTION IS APPROXIMATELY ALMOST SIX FEET. IS IT SIX. TOOK SIX. YOU'RE TALKING ON THE TOP SLIDE JOHN. YEAH YEAH THERE'S A SIX FOOT BUFFER ON THE TOP. YEAH. AND AND ON THE BOTTOM IT'S BIGGER OR AT LEAST APPEARS BIGGER. YEAH IT'S A BIGGER SECTION. SO BASICALLY THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THERE'S AN OPTION ONE AND OPTION 2A5. I'M THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER. SO I LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT OF LANES. BUT IT'S A FIVE LANE ARTERIAL ROADWAY VERSUS A THREE LANE. IF THE WHAT THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN SPOKE TO IS ANYTHING THAT WAS PROJECTED TO HAVE A NEED OF GREATER THAN 10,000 VEHICLES A DAY WOULD QUALIFY FOR A FIVE LANE ARTERIAL PLANNING AND ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION IN THE 2050 PROJECTION, WHERE ANYTHING OVER 10,000 10,000 VEHICLES A DAY AND ARE LIKE RIGHT NOW, 17 IS 20, SO IT'S OVER 20,000 ON 17TH STREET. AND THEN LIKE IN FRONT OF MY LINCOLN, THAT'S LIKE, I KNOW, 16 YELLOWSTONE HIGHWAY IS BIG AND 1214 AND THOSE ARE IMAGES. ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE FIVE LANE ARTERIALS.
SO WITH THE CROSS SECTION CHANGES AGAIN, THE OLD ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN REFERENCED AN ON STREET BIKE LANE SECTION. SO THIS WAS OUR TARGET FOR STREETS LIKE 49TH SOUTH, 65TH NORTH AND FIFTH WEST WHERE WE SAID BIKE PED PRIORITY. THEY HAD SEPARATED SIDEWALKS AND ON STREET BIKE LANES. I LIKE THAT IMPROVEMENT. YEAH. SO I JUST BROUGHT IN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT SOME OF THESE ARTERIAL ROADS WITH CERTAIN WIDTHS, LIKE ON 49 SOUTH AND ON 65TH NORTH. WE'RE ABOUT TO START CONSTRUCTION NEXT MONTH ON A BRIDGE WITH THAT OLD SECTION IN MIND, WITH THE ON STREET BIKE LANES, THE.
SO WE HAD MET INTERNALLY AS STAFF WITH CDS AND US AND PARKS AND SAID, HEY, WHICH ARTERIAL ROADWAYS WOULD WE RECOMMEND HAVING POTENTIAL FOR ON STREET BIKE LANES GIVEN. AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE STUDIED OUR EXISTING IDAHO FALLS BIKE. PED PLAN. THIS THE CONNECTING OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW FAR ALONG ARE WE ON CONSTRUCTION DOWN THIS ROAD ALREADY. AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION AND THIS THIS MAP IS REALLY HARD TO SEE. BUT THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTIONS, THERE WERE THREE, THREE ARTERIAL ROADS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED FOR CONSIDERATION FOR ON STREET BIKE LANES. BECAUSE OF THAT SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE DOWN THE PATH OF CONSTRUCTING ALREADY AND THOSE ROUTES INCLUDED 65TH NORTH, FIFTH WEST, AND 49TH SOUTH. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER ON STREET BIKE LANES FOR THOSE ROUTES, ALL
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OTHER ROUTES, WE KIND OF FOLLOW THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN AS RECOMMENDED. SO BASICALLY WE'VE INVESTED THE PLANNING. AND SO IT'S WORTH IT ON THESE TO KEEP THE AND THESE WOULD BE PURELY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS KIND OF THING. IT THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN SPEAKS TO SAY, HEY THE JURISDICTIONS WILL WORK WITH THE COC PLAN. WHAT'S THE COC PLAN IS UPDATED. THERE MIGHT BE GUIDANCE THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO REVISIT IT. THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT I SEE WITH THE YELLOW. YES.OKAY. YEAH, I THINK WE HIGHLIGHTED THEM, BUT NOT VERY WELL. SO SORRY. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK YOU DO. I'VE NOTICED WAY MORE PEOPLE WITH THEIR ELECTRIC BICYCLES NOW, AND SOME OF THEM ARE MORE POWERFUL. GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR FEELS LIKE. BUT THEY THEY ARE COMING FROM LONGER AWAY. SO I DO THINK THAT THIS IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE TRIPS ARE GOING TO BE THERE. AND THE MORE WE CAN ENCOURAGE THAT, THE LESS CARS ON THE STREET. RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S GREAT. YEAH. SO THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD WELCOME INPUT FROM COUNCIL ON THAT GUIDANCE. IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT.
SO THE REASON I LIKE THIS ONE IS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH. SEPARATED LANES EXCUSE ME SEPARATED BIKE TRAILS FROM CARS MAKES TOTAL SENSE WHEN YOU'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, 50 MILES AN HOUR. BUT IT'S PRETTY HARD ON A BIKE TO BE ON LIKE SUNNYSIDE ROAD. I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, SUNNYSIDE PATH.
IT'S NOT REALLY LIKE YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE MOVING TRAFFIC. YOU'RE ALWAYS WATCHING WHAT'S WHAT'S COMING. THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAY. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN JUST GET ON YOUR BIKE AND GO. SO I DO LIKE THESE PARTICULAR ROUTES TO HAVE THE DIVISION. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY A BIKE LANE, BUT IT'S A BIKE LANE FOR TRAVEL AS OPPOSED TO A BIKE LANE FOR LEISURE IS HOW I WOULD LOOK AT THAT. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT USES, TWO DIFFERENT USES. SO ONE THING I'LL POINT OUT IS THE. YEAH, THOSE THREE ROUTES WERE OPTION TWO. SO THEY WERE THE THREE LANE ARTERIAL SECTIONS AS WELL. SO THERE IS ROOM FOR THE BIKE LANES. PART OF THE ROAD ON 49 SOUTH HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND WOULD BE TO KEEP THE SPEED LIMIT BELOW. IT WOULDN'T BE BELOW 40 THOUGH, WOULD IT. THE SPEED LIMIT WOULD BE EVALUATED. IT'S IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT THE SPEED LIMIT WOULD BE REDUCED ON THESE ROUTES PER SE, BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF THAT. BUT WE WILL WE EVALUATE THE SPEED LIMITS KIND OF UNDER A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. THE INTENT OF THE ARTERIALS IS TO BE HIGHER SPEEDS THAN OUR COLLECTOR ROADS.
BUT WHAT THE. REFLECTORS, LIKE THE PLASTIC REFLECTORS. RIGHT. IS THAT CONSIDERED? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THEY SEEM SILLY IN SOME WAYS, BUT IT GIVES A BIT OF A ROAD TO IT, KEEPS PEOPLE GOING A LITTLE SLOWER. AND THEN IT IT DOES. YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION. YEAH. THE REFLECTORS ARE GOOD FOR DELINEATION. THE CHALLENGE IS, IS SNOW REMOVAL IN THE WINTER HERE. YEAH. ARE THERE ONES THAT AREN'T REMOVABLE. IS THERE NOT AN OPTION FOR SNOW. DOES ANYONE NOT FIGURED THAT ENGINEERING OUT TO GET RID OF THEM OR SOMETHING? NO, NOT THAT I SEE.
NO, THERE'S SO MANY CITIES YOU'D THINK, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE BIKE LANE THING AND WE GET THE STATE TO HELP US OUT WITH THAT, MAYBE WE COULD PAINT THE BIKE LANES, SINCE IT SEEMS TO BE EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY TO DO IT BY ITSELF. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD THAT. HE SAID. YEAH. WOW. THAT'S A THAT'S A PROBLEM IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. BUT THEY SCRAPE IT OFF. SO THERE'S ALWAYS OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK FOR TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT YEAH THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF THE PRESENTATION. WE ARE SCHEDULED TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL THROUGH CVS TO PRESENT THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR APPROVAL OR AUTHORIZATION TO IMPLEMENT AND ENDORSE ON THURSDAY. CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE SOME OF THE FIRST ONES WITH THE SEPARATED ONES MIGHT BE NEXT? YEAH. SO THIS DESIGN, WHERE WOULD THOSE BE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT ON THOSE NEXT THREE, WHERE WOULD BE THE ONES WHERE WE WOULD DO THIS GOING FORWARD? I'M SORRY JOHN. SO I WOULD I WOULD THINK LIKE EAST RIVER ROAD. YEAH. LIKE WHERE'S THE FIRST PLACE YOU'LL DO THIS AS OPPOSED TO THE ON THESE ROUTES WHERE DEVELOPMENT ALLOWS FOR IT LIKE 65 SOUTH. YEAH 65TH SOUTH. IF WE GO BACK TO THAT MAP. SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED STRATEGIC ARTERIALS. 65TH SOUTH WAS A HOT TOPIC. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY
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IS DRIVEN. AND GENERALLY SPEAKING THE GROWTH OF THE ROAD EITHER FOLLOWS OR COMPLEMENTS THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THOSE AREAS. DO WE HAVE 100FT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN ENDORSES AND IT MATCHES THE EXISTING ONE. ACTUALLY THAT ONE IS 120 FOOT. THAT'S A STRATEGIC ARTERIAL. SO IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL I'LL CALL IT. IT'S MORE OF A BRIDGE BETWEEN WHAT WE CALL A MINOR ARTERIAL AND AN EXPRESSWAY MORE THROUGH LANES WITH LESS INTERRUPTIONS. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT RIDING ON SUNNYSIDE IN THE IN THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE STREETS CROSSING AND STUFF, AND I'LL SEE PEOPLE ON THAT ROAD. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RIDING ON THE PATH ON EITHER SIDE, BUT THERE'S ALSO GUYS THAT ARE RIDING, YOU KNOW, TEN SPEEDS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE THE GUYS THAT DO 100 MILES IN A DAY KIND OF KIND OF PEOPLE. THEY'LL BE RIDING IN THE ROAD WITH TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, GOING 25 MILES AN HOUR. WELL, SO SO YOU CAN BUILD THESE PATHS AND HAVE THEM SEPARATED FROM TRAFFIC AND THEY STILL MAY NOT USE THEM. THAT'S THE POINT I GUESS I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT SOME PEOPLE CHOOSE TO RIDE IN TRAFFIC. THE IDEA IS TO ENCOURAGE SAFE USE AND GIVE SEPARATION WHERE WE CAN. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE COMMUTERS THAT ARE COMFORTABLE RIDING IN TRAFFIC, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IF YOU MAKE A IF YOU IF THERE'S A 40 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, NOBODY'S GOING 40. YEAH. I FOUND THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE SIGNS AND THEY STILL DON'T CHANGE. SO. SORRY. YEAH. IT'S IT'S AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT WE CAN TRY TO ADDRESS? OKAY. SO THE PLAN IS TO ADOPT THIS BY RESOLUTION ON THURSDAY. YEAH. THE COUNTY IS REPRESENTED AND THEY'RE KIND OF LEADING THE CHARGE ON THOSE RESOLUTIONS. THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE IT ON THEIR AGENDA TO ADOPT TOMORROW. SO WHAT ABOUT WE DID THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK AND THEY HAVE IT ON THEIR AGENDA AT THE END OF THE MONTH, I BELIEVE FOR ADOPTION. SO YUKON'S MEETING THIS WEEK ON IT OKAY. SO SO WE'RE APPROVING THEM BOTH THOUGH RIGHT. ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN IN THE HIGH CAPACITY ROADWAY STUDY. YES OKAY. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU TO AUSTIN BLACK AS WELL FOR ALL OF THE EFFORT THAT HE HAS PUT INTO THIS, THIS WHOLE PROCESS, BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS WHEN AUSTIN CAME UP ON OR I CAME ON, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF US, BUT I WAS LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THIS BROWN PLAN IN WHICH YOU HAD A PICTURE OF, LIKE, I'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN THAT BROWN PLAN. SO THANK YOU FOR HELPING PULL ALL THIS TOGETHER, MAKING THE COORDINATION WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LOOK FORWARD TO MUCH MORE. SO THANK YOU. THANKS A LOT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU OKAY GREAT PLAN. NOW WE'RE
[City Attorney]
GOING TO MOVE FOR A QUICK TRAINING FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON THE REGULATION OF PUBLIC FORUMS, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE IN OUR PACKET. RIGHT. I MEAN I DIDN'T SEE NO I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING OKAY OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MISSED THAT. AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, YOU ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL LAST WEEK FROM A CONCERNED THANK YOU. JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THIS IS THIS WAS PROMPTED THE MAYOR ASKED ME TO PRESENT THIS TRAINING BASED ON THAT EMAIL THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED LAST WEEK FROM A CONCERNED CITIZEN ABOUT GRAFFITI ON SIDEWALKS AND MESSAGES THAT WERE BEING LEFT. SO THAT KIND OF INFORMS THE THE REASON WHY WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS HERE TODAY. SO KIND OF BACK UP WHENEVER THERE IS A PUBLIC FORUM, POTENTIAL FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE OR POTENTIALLY IMPLICATED. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE'S A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IN THE CONSTITUTION OF FREE SPEECH. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY WHEN THERE IS A PUBLIC FORUM TO RESPECT THOSE RIGHTS. AND ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT FREE SPEECH DOESN'T JUST INCLUDE SPEECH, IT IS INCLUDES EXPRESSIVE ACTIONS, RIGHT OR ART RIGHT WOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. THE MOST TRADITIONAL SENSE OF A PUBLIC FORUM IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN ASSEMBLE, DEBATE, AND EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS. PUBLIC STREETS AND PARKS. THERE'S KIND OF THERE'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT PUBLIC WAYS THAT THINGS CAN BECOME PUBLIC FORUM. ONE IS JUST IT'S TRADITIONALLY[02:25:04]
BEEN THAT WAY. AND OR, YOU KNOW, STREETS AND PARKS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. THEY'RE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TRADITIONALLY GONE TO GATHER AND TO DISCUSS IDEAS. SECOND, EVEN IF IT'S NOT SO, LET'S SAY WE HAD A PLACE, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC PIECE OF A PIECE OF PUBLIC PROPERTY, AND WE DECIDED TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW, LIKE THE EVENT CENTER, RIGHT? THE GOVERNMENT BUILDING. AND WE SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND EXPRESS IDEAS. WELL, NOW WE'VE CREATED A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE THERE WASN'T ONE BEFORE, LIKE MY OFFICE, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC FORUM BECAUSE IT'S WHERE THE IT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR OFFICES. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO COME IN THERE AND JUST EXPRESS AND DEBATE A BUNCH OF IDEAS, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CREATED THAT IN A PUBLIC FORUM. BUT ONCE IT'S A PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS FROM THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. GENERALLY, THE RIGHT TO TO LIMIT EXPRESSIVE ACTIVITY IS SHARPLY CIRCUMSCRIBED. RIGHT. AGAIN, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS IN REGULATING ANYTHING. NOW, WHEN IT IS A PUBLIC FORUM, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO REGULATE THE TIME, PLACE AND MANNER OF THE EXPRESSION OF IDEAS. BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO THIS IF IT IS CONTENT NEUTRAL, MEANING THIS REGULATION APPLIES AND THE REGULATION DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE BASED ON WHAT YOU SAY. RIGHT? SO IF YOU PASSED A LAW SAYING NO DISCUSSIONS OF ICE CREAM THAT WOULD FAIL THIS TEST BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NOT BE CONTENT NEUTRAL. WE RECENTLY HAD A CASE THAT IDAHO SUPREME COURT WHERE SOMEBODY CHALLENGED OUR BASICALLY, THE FACTS WERE A PERSON WAS PROTESTING OUTSIDE OF A ELECTED OFFICIALS RESIDENCE AND WAS CAUSING A LOT OF NOISE. AND SO THEY WERE CHARGED WITH DISTURBING THE PEACE. AND THEY SAID, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. I HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT HERE. I HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THIS AND THAT, THAT DISTURBING THE PEACE THAT VIOLATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT. AND THE IDAHO SUPREME COURT SAID NO. OR THE COURT OF APPEALS SAID NO. THAT IS A CONTENT NEUTRAL RULE, BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW LOUD YOU ARE, AND YOU CAN STILL BE EXPRESSIVE WITHOUT BEING THAT LOUD. SO IT HAS TO BE CONTENT NEUTRAL, AND IT HAS TO BE TIME, PLACE AND MANNER. REGULATIONS MUST BE REASONABLE, NARROWLY TAILORED TO SERVE A SIGNIFICANT GOVERNMENT INTEREST AND LEAVE AMPLE OR OPEN LEAVE OPEN AMPLE ALTERNATIVE CHANNELS FOR COMMUNICATION. AND IT JUST A LITTLE BIT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A CASE STUDY TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH CHALK. AND IF ANY TIME YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME. I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN. AS I INDICATED PREVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT JUST EXPRESSIVE ACTIVITIES, NOT JUST SPEECH, BUT ANYTHING THAT CAN EXPRESS AN IDEA. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTERESTING IDEA HERE. SO YOU DO HAVE THE NONVERBAL EXPRESSIVE ACTIVITY, SUCH AS, FOR INSTANCE, BURNING A FLAG, BURNING AN AMERICAN FLAG. THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS SAID, WELL, YOU CAN PROHIBIT FIRES, RIGHT. AND SO IF BURNING A FLAG VIOLATES THAT OKAY. WELL, AGAIN, IT'S CONTENT NEUTRAL. RIGHT. SO YOU CAN PROHIBIT FIRES. AND THAT WOULD COVER FLAG BURNING. BUT YOU CANNOT PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS BURNING A FLAG TO DISHONOR IT. RIGHT.SO THESE THAT THAT SORT OF ORDINANCE WOULD BE SAYING WOULD BE TARGETING, EXPRESSLY TARGETING EXPRESSIVE SPEECH. SO, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM WHEN YOU'RE REGULATING CONDUCT AS OPPOSED TO SPEECH. BUT AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE CONTENT NEUTRAL. AND IT CAN'T BE TARGETING SPEECH. SO THE CASE STUDY COMES FROM THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, WHERE SOME PEOPLE, A GROUP OF PEOPLE HEADED BY THIS ONE PERSON, APPLIED FOR A PERMIT TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A DEMONSTRATION OR A PROTEST OF A CERTAIN. YOU KNOW, BASED ON CERTAIN POLITICAL VIEWS. AND AS PART OF THAT, THEY ASKED TO BE ABLE TO PUT CHALK, CHALK MESSAGES ON THE ON THE SIDEWALKS OR WHATNOT. THEY GRANTED THE PERMIT, BUT SO THEY SAID, YOU CAN HAVE THE PEOPLE THERE, YOU CAN HAVE THE PROTEST, BUT YOU CANNOT WRITE ON THE SIDEWALKS. THAT WOULD VIOLATE OUR DEFACEMENT STATUTE, WHICH WAS VERY BROAD, AND IT PROHIBITED WRITING UPON PUBLIC STREETS OR PRIVATE, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT THE OWNER'S CONSENT. SO BASICALLY, THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT CONSENTING TO THAT. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AND IF YOU DID, IT'D BE A VIOLATION. SO THE PERSON WENT AHEAD AND DURING THE PROTEST, WENT AHEAD AND STARTED WRITING CHALK MESSAGES. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAID, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE SHOWED UP,
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STOPPED HIM. IT WAS AMICABLE. AND HE HE HE COMPLIED, BUT HE DID SUE. HE SAID, YOU VIOLATED MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. HOWEVER, THE DISTRICT COURT OR THE SORRY, THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT COURT, SO THIS IS ON APPEAL, HELD THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS HAD NOT BEEN VIOLATED. AND HERE'S KIND OF THE REASON. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK.YEAH. AND HERE'S HERE'S KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN OF THE RULING. SO YES, THIS WAS A PUBLIC FORUM.
THAT'S ALWAYS THE TRIGGERING PART OF THE ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC FORUM. THEN IT DOESN'T. THESE RULES DON'T APPLY. OTHER RULES MAY. THE DEFACEMENT STATUTE WAS CONTENT NEUTRAL BECAUSE IT HAD TO DO JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU WROTE SOMETHING ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY WITHOUT THE PERMISSION, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT WAS. IF YOU DO THAT, IT VIOLATES THE DEFACEMENT STATUTE. BUT IT DOESN'T. IT WASN'T CONTENT SENSITIVE. IT DIDN'T DISCRIMINATE BASED ON CONTENT, NO MATTER WHAT THEY WROTE, THEY DID FIND, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL REMEMBER ONE OF THE ONE OF THE TESTS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK. HAS TO BE NARROWLY, NARROWLY TAILORED TO SERVE A SIGNIFICANT GOVERNMENT INTEREST. AND THEY FOUND THAT HERE, THAT HERE D.C.
HAD A SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST IN CONTROLLING THE ESTHETIC APPEARANCE OF THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. SO THAT IS A IT'S ENOUGH OF A GOVERNMENT INTEREST TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, THIS IS OKAY. THAT PASSES THAT PART OF THE TEST. AND AS WELL, THE PERSON HAD ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF EXPRESSING THEIR IDEA, AND NAMELY, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BE THERE IN PROTEST. RIGHT? THEY COULD GET THEIR MESSAGE ACROSS. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH CHALK. SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I WONDER ABOUT THIS IF, SAY, CUTE LITTLE KIDS WERE DOING IT, DID THEY? ISN'T IT? YOU HAVE TO BE CONTENT NEUTRAL AND YOU HAVE TO ENFORCE IT CONSISTENTLY. YOU MUST HAVE PEEKED AT MY NEXT SLIDE. YES, THERE WAS ANOTHER CASE WHERE A PERSON WROTE A MESSAGE IN FRONT OF A COUNTY BUILDING KNOWING THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING, AND IT WAS A POLITICALLY CHARGED MESSAGE. AND SOME COUNTY OFFICIALS WERE LIKE, OH, WE KNOW THIS PERSON. LET'S LET'S GET RID OF THAT BEFORE OTHER PEOPLE SEE THIS. AND THERE WAS EVIDENCE IN THAT CASE THAT THIS PERSON HAD BEEN SINGLED OUT. AND THE THAT COURT THIS IS A WASHINGTON CASE, WASHINGTON STATE CASE, I SHOULD SAY. SO THERE WAS EVIDENCE THAT HAD BEEN SINGLED OUT AND THAT THEY WENT ON TO MENTION THAT VERY THING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES CHILDREN RIDE ON SIDEWALKS WITHOUT PERMISSION, AND WE DON'T ENFORCE THAT. RIGHT? SO, YES, THE ENFORCEMENT ALSO HAS TO BE NONDISCRIMINATORY. SO IF YOU HAVE A STATUTE WHERE YOU SAY GRAFFITI IS ILLEGAL, WELL, IF A CHILD, YOU KNOW, WRITES ON THE SIDEWALK WITHOUT PERMISSION, WELL, YOU GOTTA PROSECUTE IF THAT'S YOUR CRIMINAL CODE, RIGHT? WHEN IT'S REPORTED, WE CAN'T BE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHICH MESSAGES WE PROSECUTE AND WHICH ONES WE DON'T. EVEN IF IT WAS SOMETHING REALLY NON-OFFENSIVE, LIKE WE LOVE THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. IF IT'S GRAFFITI, IT'S GRAFFITI, AND WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MESSAGE, IT HAS TO BE ENFORCED. AND AGAIN, THAT'S IF YOU CHOOSE TO CRIMINALIZE IT. SO THERE IS. SO NEXT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE CURRENT STATE OF OUR LAW ON GRAFFITI. WE DO HAVE A CITY CODE. NOW THIS CITY CODE IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. IT DOES NOT PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR PUTTING GRAFFITI ON PROPERTY. IT'S BROAD ENOUGH. THAT DEFINITION THERE AS WE HAVE, IS BROAD ENOUGH TO CAPTURE SIDEWALK CHALK, RIGHT? AS IN THE DEFINITION OF GRAFFITI. IF IT'S WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. WHAT OUR STATUTE DOES, OR WHAT OUR CODE ORDINANCE DOES, IS THAT IF THERE'S GRAFFITI ON PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE CITY COMES AND GIVES NOTICE SAYING, HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO CLEAN THAT UP, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THAT DONE IN, AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN IT'S AN INFRACTION. SO THIS IS A CLEAN UP STATUTE, RIGHT. SO OUR STATUTE DOES WANT TO BE CLEAR. IT DOES NOT PENALIZE SOMEBODY FOR DOING GRAFFITI, JUST PENALIZES SOMEBODY IF THEY FAIL TO REMOVE IT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. NOW THERE IS A STATE CODE FOR VANDALISM. BUT THIS STATE CODE HAS A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF WHAT A WHAT QUALIFIES FOR THE CRIME. YOU'LL NOTE THAT IT SAYS PURPOSELY OR KNOWINGLY VANDALIZE, DEFACE, OR OTHERWISE DAMAGE. THE WAY I READ THIS STATUTE IS IT REQUIRES DAMAGE TO THE PROPERTY.
IT'S MY OPINION THAT CHALK BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A SIMPLE OPERATION JUST WASHING AWAY. IT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY PERMANENT DAMAGE. CHALK WOULD NOT BE A VIOLATION OF THIS STATUTE. SO IT WOULDN'T BE VANDALISM AND IT WOULDN'T FOLLOW FALL UNDER THIS STATUTE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T
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CAUSE ANY DAMAGE TO THE PROPERTY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SPRAY PAINTING, THAT WOULD BE VANDALISM BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO COST THE PROPERTY OWNER MONEY TO GET IT OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY. ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S GO BACK TO OUR SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.SO YOUR OPINION ABOUT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHALK THAT'S DONE BY THE BROADWAY BRIDGE. THE ONE ON THE SIDEWALK NEAR THE BROADWAY BRIDGE. LET'S SEE THE EMAIL. IT DOES HAVE SOME POLITICAL MESSAGES IN IT. YES. SO RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, ANY LIKE PUBLIC STREET, PUBLIC SIDEWALK THAT IS CURRENTLY A PUBLIC FORUM. OKAY. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT WE HAVE A AND WE HAVE A STATUTE OR WE HAVE A CITY ORDINANCE THAT AUTHORIZES THE REMOVAL. RIGHT. BUT IT HAS TO BE ENFORCED IN A CONTENT NEUTRAL WAY. SO AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVIDE ITSELF NOTICE, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A NOTICE.
AND IF THEY DON'T GET IT CLEANED UP, IT'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. THEN WE CAN CITE THEM FOR INFRACTION THE CITY WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE OURSELVES NOTICE IF WE NOTICE IT THERE, IT'S THERE. WE YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GO CLEAN IT UP. AND THIS WOULD BE REGARDLESS OF THE NATURE OF THE OF THE GRAFFITI. SO IF IT'S A CHILD OUT THERE. HEY, SORRY, KID. YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE THE CITY'S PERMISSION. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. SO WE DO GIVE PERMISSION FOR PEOPLE TO USE CHALK ON SIDEWALKS WHEN WE HAVE THE CHALK ART, RIGHT THERE BY BY CAPITAL PARK. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. BUT THERE IT'S NOT GRAFFITI BECAUSE WE, THEY WE GAVE THEM PERMISSION BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF GRAFFITI IS IT HAS TO BE WITHOUT PERMISSION. SO IN THIS CASE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT AND TIME IN SOME OF THIS. SO IF THEY GOT A PERMIT AND THEY CAN DO IT. YEAH. IF THEY CAME AND THEY SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO WRITE MESSAGES ON THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE WE COULDN'T MAKE A WE COULDN'T DETERMINE CONTENT WE WOULD HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM. YOU WOULD HAVE TO TREAT THEM EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOU DO THE ART GUILD. THE ONE EXCEPTION I COULD SEE IS IN A VOTING COULD DO IT. YOU COULDN'T DO IT ON SIDEWALK WALKING INTO A VOTING BECAUSE OF THE NO CAMPAIGN WITHIN.
RIGHT. AND IF THERE'S SOME OTHER LAW THAT. YEAH, YEAH. SO AS I HEAR YOU SAY THIS, WHEN WE SEE SIDEWALK CHALK, WE WILL CLEAN IT UP BECAUSE WE'RE THE CITY AND WE'RE THE PROPERTY.
IT'S ON, IT'S ON, IT'S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND THAT IT IS NOT IT IS NOT A IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW FOR THEM TO BE DOING IT. BUT WE WILL CLEAN IT UP. BUT IF THEY IN THE PROCESS, IF THEY DAMAGE THE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. RIGHT? THEN IT COULD FALL UNDER THE STATE STATUTE OF VANDALISM BECAUSE NOW THEY'VE THEY'VE INJURED SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, IT'S CONTENT NEUTRAL. WE DON'T CARE WHAT THEY WROTE ON IT, ON THE ON THE PROPERTY, IF THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING AND WRITTEN A MESSAGE IN A WAY THAT DAMAGED THE PROPERTY, WELL, NOW WE HAVE A PROPERTY DAMAGE ISSUE. AND SO IT'LL BE UP TO THE STREETS DEPARTMENT AND THE PARKS AND REC TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT ON THE CLEANUP. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. AND AS LONG AS WE DO IT IN A CONTENT NEUTRAL WAY OF ENFORCING IT, THEN THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE.
OH, WELL, WE JUST DON'T LIKE THIS MESSAGE. SO LET'S GET RID OF THIS ONE AND IGNORE OTHERS.
SO THIS WILL BE RELATED TO THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS IN THE OR MAYBE ALREADY HAS BEEN. I HAVEN'T AS OF THIS MOMENT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO SO. I ALSO WONDER ABOUT THE FUN RUNS, LIKE WE'LL JUST LEAVE THEM ON LOAN UNTIL THE FUN RUNS. LIKE THEY THEY MARK UP ALL OF OUR SPACES TO SHOW WHERE TO RUN. WHEN YOU'RE DOING A5K OR 10-K OR A MARATHON LIKE SO, THEY MIGHT HAVE A PART OF THEIR APPLICATION. YEAH. AGAIN IT'S LIKE A PERMISSION THEN THAT'S FINE. YEAH. RIGHT. AND IT'S WASHABLE. I DO WONDER THOUGH, ABOUT ENFORCEMENT IN THE SENSE THAT WE DON'T HAVE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE ON EVERY SIDEWALK. AND SO WE MAY FIND THAT IF SOMEONE DECIDES TO USE SPRAY PAINT, WE MAY NOT FIND THEM. AND WE CAN'T BE DISCOURAGED BY THAT IF OUR GOAL IS SOMETHING ELSE. BUT JUST BE AWARE THAT ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE PRETTY TRICKY. AND BUT IF IT'S CHALK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE A SERIOUS ENFORCEMENT MATTER BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST WATER WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM. SO. WELL, YEAH, I DON'T YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S NO DAMAGE. THERE'S NOT A VANDALISM CRIME. AND OUR CITY CODE DOESN'T PROHIBIT PEOPLE FROM PLACING GRAFFITI, JUST REQUIRES REMOVAL OF IT. AND SO SPRAY PAINT DOES THAT DAMAGE. YES. IN YOUR OPINION. YEAH. AND UNLESS IT'S LIKE WASHABLE SPRAY PAINT, IF YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO COST THE PERSON MONEY TO TAKE IT OFF, THAT'S DAMAGED. YEAH.
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WHAT ABOUT OFFENSIVE CONTENT? IS THERE ANYTHING IN CITY CODE THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT HAS? YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS, IF THEY WROTE SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE, NOT POLITICAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, VULGAR, VULGAR, VULGAR, FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTS IT. THEY CAN DO THAT. OKAY. AGAIN, IF IT'S A GUY DRIVING AROUND THE FLAG IN THE BACK OF HIS TRUCK THAT IS OFFENSIVE, HE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER ASKING MIKE ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. AS LONG AS THE FLAG ITSELF DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME BIG VEHICLE CODES. AGAIN, THE CONTENT NEUTRAL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT SO HIGH, OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO CATCH ON A FRIDGE OR IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF REGULATION LIKE THAT, BUT IT HAS TO BE CONTENT NEUTRAL. BUT IF IT'S JUST I DON'T LIKE THE BUMPER STICKER IT HAS. YEAH. OKAY. WELL YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND WE SEE QUITE VULGAR BUMPER STICKERS. WELL THE STATE DID HAVE SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. THE STATE DID OUTLAW SOME INTERESTING THINGS LAST YEAR IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION AROUND THAT. THAT WAS ODD, BUT I GUESS THEY WANTED TO. SO THEY WELL, EVERYTHING, EVERY LAW HOLDS UNTIL IT'S CHALLENGED.YEAH, IT'S A BAD LAW. AT SOME POINT IT WILL BE CHALLENGED. YEAH. SO I WANTED YOU GUYS TO HAVE THIS BACKGROUND AS A PREFACE TO WHATEVER YOU MAY WANT TO DO. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT POLITICAL MESSAGES, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE TEMPORARY, SHOULD NOT OFFEND OUR CITIZENS SENSIBILITIES. IT SHOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION WITH THEIR CHILDREN OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER VULGAR MESSAGES I THINK ARE PROFANE KINDS OF MESSAGING.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE MAY DEFINITELY WANT TO TAKE QUICKER ACTION ON. JUST BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T ELEVATE. WELL, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T I KNOW WE CAN'T. YEAH WE CAN'T. YEAH.
WE HAVE TO WE CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE. YEAH I WISH WE COULD WRITE SWEAR WORDS ARE NOT GOOD FOR CHILDREN RIGHT. JUST RIGHT MOST OF THE TIME. MOST OF THE TIME CLEANING SOMETHING UP WITHIN 48 HOURS OR WHATEVER IT IS, THEN WE CAN SAY WE DID OUR RIGHT. YEAH, RIGHT. WHATEVER.
JUST FOLLOWING OUR OWN ORDINANCE THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO FOLLOW, RIGHT? SO SOMEONE COULD PUT POLITICAL SPEECH WITH CHALK ON THE PATHWAY, THE RIVERWALK. AND OUR OBLIGATION IS TO CLEAR IT OFF. YEP. AND THAT'S OUR CURRENT STATUTE. THAT'S THE CURRENT STATUTE. WE DON'T OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T PENALIZE IT. AND THE WAY I READ THE STATE CODE IS IT WOULDN'T CRIMINALIZE CHALK. IT WOULD IT WOULD CRIMINALIZE OTHER THINGS LIKE LIKE SPRAY PAINTING. RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT DOES DAMAGE THE RIGHT. RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY, OKAY. SO SO IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING YOU WANT ME TO TELL PARKS AND RECS AND STREETS TO. I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO REITERATE THAT POLICY. AND IF YOU WOULD COPY MY OFFICE, THEN WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE REITERATING. THE CURRENT POLICY WILL SEND THAT ON TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WROTE IN AND HOPEFULLY HELP TO SORT OF PUT THE MATTER TO BED. UNLESS I HEAR THAT THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO PERHAPS WANTS TO BRING A DIFFERENT KIND OF. ORDINANCE FORWARD, NO, OTHER THAN I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS EVERY MORNING, LIKE PARKS AND REC. I THINK A RECORDING OF WHAT YOU JUST DID COULD BE HELPFUL, OR SOME SHORTER VERSIONS IF THEY WANTED TO. I CAN ASK THEM IF THEY WANT A TRAINING OR JUST SAYING THIS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE YOUR TIME, BUT I JUST THINK IT IS USEFUL FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT THEY'RE DOING IT TO EVERYTHING, THAT THEY DON'T COME ACROSS SOMETHING THEY THINK IS, OH, THEY REALLY SPENT TIME WITH THEM, RIGHT? LIKE IF SOMEBODY PUTS LIKE THE MONA LISA ON THERE, SORRY, STILL GOING OFF OF THAT GOOD STUFF DOWN THERE IS REALLY WELL DONE.
YEAH. WELL THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE A CELL PHONE SO THEY CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF IT AND SEND IT OFF FOR THE WORLD TO KNOW WHAT THEY DID, OR THEY CAN GET A PERMIT. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
[Mayor, City Council]
THANK YOU. YES. I'M GOING TO MOVE ON AND THEN EXIT AGAIN. I APOLOGIZE, BUT I WANTED TO FIRST CIRCULATE THIS. IT WAS A THANK YOU CARD THAT WAS DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL TO ALL OF US, I SHOULD SAY. SECONDLY, I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN. I'M ON MY WAY OUT OF TOWN. I'LL BE FLYING THE RED EYE TO SAVE A HOTEL NIGHT TO THE NATIONAL CLEANUP WORKSHOP. THIS IS ALL OF MANY OF THE COMMUNITIES IN THE DOE CLEANUP. FAMILY. FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, CONGREGATE IN THIS WITH THIS EVENT. THIS EVENT, WE HOLD THE ENERGY COMMUNITIES ALLIANCE AND THE ENERGY FACILITIES CONTRACTORS GROUP. WE HOPE THAT JOINTLY WITH THEM. AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE, I THINK, OVER 600 REGISTRANTS. SO IT'S A BIG CONFERENCE AND I WILL BE BACK ON WEDNESDAY OR FRIDAY AT NOON. CATHERINE IS ALREADY OUT THERE. THERE IS A FAIRLY DECENT SIZED DELEGATION FROM IDAHO GOING. I COUNTED OVER 23 OR 24 NAMES. I'M GOING TO TRY TO HUDDLE UP[02:45:01]
WITH THEM ON WEDNESDAY AND GO GET A, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE A NO HOST MEAL SOMEWHERE JUST TO TO STRENGTHEN TIES WITH WITH THE IDAHO CONTINGENT THAT WORKS ON THESE ISSUES. SECOND THING I WANTED TO TELL YOU IS THAT SORRY, PULL UP MY NOTES. THE BLOCK PARTY NEXT WEEK. I WOULD ENCOURAGE AS MANY OF YOU AS POSSIBLE TO ATTEND THAT. IT'S THE BLOCK PARTY I WILL. I SERVE ON A BOARD THAT HAS A MEETING ON SUNDAY, MONDAY AND TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY OF NEXT WEEK, SO I'LL BE GONE FOR SUNDAY, MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY. SO IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, I'M ONLY REALLY IN TOWN FRIDAY, THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY NIGHT AND SO. LISA, I'M NOT GETTING CONFUSED AS TO WHICH DAY I'M COMING BACK. COMING BACK FRIDAY THIS WEEK, LISA WILL BE IN CHARGE IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN WHILE I'M GONE. AND THEN BLOCK PARTY THAT. OH, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT TODAY OKLO, WHICH IS ONE OF THOSE SMALL MODULAR REACTOR. EXCUSE ME, MICRO REACTOR COMPANIES DID HAVE A GROUNDBREAKING OUT ON THE DESERT SITE, AND IT WAS SOMETHING THEY REALLY MADE A BIG TO DO OUT OF IT. AND I INTENDED TO HAVE PICKED UP A BROCHURE. IT'S A LITTLE GLOSSY, YOU KNOW, OPEN UP KIND OF ONE PAGE KIND OF THING, BUT I ONLY GRABBED ONE OF THEM. SO NOW I HAVE TO MAKE SOME PHOTOCOPIES OF IT, AND THEN I'LL PUT THOSE IN YOUR BOXES OVER THE WEEKEND. AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL THAT I HAD. I'LL ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO YOUR SHARING AND THANK YOU FOR REALLY QUICKLY. LARA, WHAT DAYS ARE YOU REALLY HERE AND GONE? I'M LEAVING SHORTLY, WITHIN THE HOUR OR HOUR AND A HALF OR TEN MINUTES, AND THEN I'LL BE BACK ON FRIDAY. OKAY. AND THEN I LEAVE SATURDAY AT 1 P.M. SO I'M HERE FOR JUST A TURN AROUND.OKAY? OKAY. AND THEN THAT NEXT WEEK, I'LL BE HOME WEDNESDAY NIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. BECAUSE I DID NOTICE THAT THE AGENDA CAME OUT FOR THURSDAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO.
YES. YES. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. NO, I WILL BE BACK FOR THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY I DID YEAH. SO EMILY IS GOING TO THE ANNUAL TRAINING THAT CLERKS HAVE. AND SO SHE'LL BE LEAVING AS SOON AS THIS MEETING IS OVER. ALSO, I JUMPED RIGHT PAST THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. OH, WE WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEP. BYE BYE. ALL RIGHT, SO, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, ARE YOU WILLING? I MOVE? OKAY, MICHELLE. WELL, I THOUGHT YOU SAID. I THOUGHT YOU SAID LIKE, BY, LIKE THE MEETING WAS OVER, AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, LISA'S STILL TALKING. NO, NO, I JUST WALKED OUT. THAT WAS. THAT WAS ME. THAT WAS MAYOR THAT SAID THAT.
MICHELLE. SHE LEFT. YEAH. GOT TO KNOW. THANK YOU. OKAY, I MOVE COUNCIL RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2020 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT. SECOND. OKAY, WHICH ONE OF YOU DID YOU BOTH SECOND, THAT WE DID IN STEREO? OKAY. WHO WANTS IT? JIM FREEMAN DAN WANTS ME TO HAVE IT. ALL RIGHT. FRANCIS. HI, FREEMAN. YES, DINGMANN. YES. RADFORD. AYE. BURTENSHAW. YES.
MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. WE'LL JUST START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN. AND LOOK AROUND THE ROOM. OKAY. I GOT A FEW. OKAY. I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THE EMOTION BOWL THIS WEEKEND.
ON SATURDAY AT 7 P.M. ALSO OKTOBERFEST THAT SAME DAY FROM 3 TO 7 P.M. SO YOU CAN GO TO THE OKTOBERFEST AND THEN GO TO THE FOOTBALL GAME AFTERWARDS. AND THEN FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVING THEIR BLOCK PARTY. THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER, MISSED THE DATE, BUT IS IT 29, NOT THE 28TH. THAT BLOCK PARTY IS MONDAY. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YES. AND THEN COFFEE WITH A COP IS COMING UP ON OCTOBER 1ST AT 5 P.M. AT. DIXIE'S DINER. OKAY, ALL I DOT JOHN. SO THE LIBRARY I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO LOOK AT ALL THEIR EVENTS. THERE'S SO MANY FUN ONES. BUT THE ONE THAT I THINK IS SO FUN IS THE AUSTIN BALL. IT'S BEEN EVERY YEAR. IT'S YOU CAN GO PRACTICE ON DANCING LIKE THE AUSTIN ERA DANCES ON THE 23RD AND 30TH OF SEPTEMBER, AND THE BALL IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 7TH AT 630. SO VERY FUN AT THE LIBRARY IN GENERAL. GO, GO
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CHECK OUT ITS CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS. GO CHECK OUT ALL THE THINGS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH THAT'S GOING ON. AND IN CDS. I THINK IT'S NOTEWORTHY THAT THERE WAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THINGS SEEM TO HAPPEN FOR RED BARN. SO. THAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN AND NOT WITH ANY REAL I DIDN'T I DON'T THINK THAT WE. COMPROMISED IN ANY REAL FASHIONS. I FELT LIKE THINGS ACCOMPLISHED THAT WERE NECESSARY. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS. YEAH, SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH. I HAVE A COUPLE. IT'S THE LIBRARY THING GOING FORWARD WITH SOME KIND OF SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATION WITH COUNCIL, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING. BUT YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE LIBRARY BOARD WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO IT? I HAVE NOT, BUT THEN AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WE'VE HAD A MEETING. MAYBE THERE'S BEEN ONE, BUT YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S JUST A QUESTION. THE OTHER YOU MAY HAVE SEEN KIRK SENT A PICTURE OF A PAINTED BIKE LANE IN BELFAST. YEAH. AND I SAID, I TOLD THE MAYOR I'D SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I TALKED TO CHRIS ABOUT THAT A YEAR AGO, AND IT'S JUST TO DO. BOULEVARD WAS IN THE MULTI HUNDRED THOUSANDS TO PAINT IT ALL GREEN. SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE THING TODAY. WELL IF THE STATE'S GOING TO DO SOME WORK ON IT IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE CASH TO DO IT OBVIOUSLY. AND WE DO. WE DID TRY SOME. I'VE SEEN SOME CLOCKS PAINTED IN GREEN WITH THE. SO THEY'VE DONE FOUR BLOCKS. THAT'S BECAUSE OF YOU. BECAUSE YOU SENT US THAT PICTURE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO OF THE GREEN BLOCK. YEAH. SO THEY DID THAT IN ON JOHN ADAMS WOODRUFF KIND OF AREA. IT'S KIND OF A TEST TO SEE HOW IT GOES. BUT THAT'S LESS EXPENSIVE AND MORE DOABLE.I EVEN FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES ALONG 25TH STREET, PEOPLE DRIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BIKE LANE.
THEY DON'T KNOW THAT. I JUST DRIVE RIGHT DOWN THE BIKE LANE, AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER WHITE LANE, AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER WHITE LINE. AND SO THEY DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS ACTUALLY A DESIGNATED BIKE LANE. SO I FEEL LIKE EVEN IF ONCE A BLOCK WE HAD ONE OF THOSE JUST A BIKE IN BRIGHT COLORS. YEAH. ANY BRIGHT COLOR EVEN JUST THE BIKE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST TWO WHITE STRIPES. SO I DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN CARE IF IT'S GREEN, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT, WELL, GREEN SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN. IT IS IN THE IN THE US. SO THAT'S MORE, MORE AFFORDABLE.
YEAH. SO AND I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE THE SHOW ROADS LIKE FIFTH AND SIXTH STREET OUGHT TO HAVE THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE SHOULD AT LEAST GO. WHAT IS THAT? SPEAKING OF THAT, I'VE BEEN WALKING IN THE MORNINGS AT THOMAS AND I'M DOWN BY U-PICK, AND IT OCCURRED TO ME BECAUSE THEY WERE OPENING THIS WEEK, YOU KNOW. SO I WALKED BY IT TODAY AND THEY HAVE THOSE RED CONES UP TO PROTECT OUR NEW PATHWAY NEXT TO THE CAMELS. WE HAVE NEW PAVEMENT THERE. I WONDERED IF WE COULD PUT UP THOSE RED THINGS JUST LIKE THEY ARE, PUSH THEM UP AGAINST THE LANES, AND THEN PUT UP A TEMPORARY 25 FOR JUST THIS, THESE SIX WEEKS, FOR JUST THAT SECTION, JUST DURING THOSE NIGHT TIMES OR AFTER SCHOOL OR SOMETHING. JUST A ROAD. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST MIGHT SAVE LIVES, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE JUST GO UP TO 35 RIGHT AT THIS. WELL, NOW WE DON'T CHANGE IT BACK AND FORTH. NO WE DON'T. YEAH. WE USED TO CHANGE THAT ROAD. IT WAS ONE OF THE FEW ROADS IN IDAHO THAT WAS 35, RIGHT. YEAH. SO BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING MAYBE YOU CAN SUGGEST. IT'S MUCH BETTER THOUGH BECAUSE IT'S BETTER MARKED. YES, IT'S A LOT BETTER. AND I THINK WHAT MY OBSERVATION GOING ON IS MOST DRIVERS DO NOT EVEN TOUCH 35 IN THAT AREA. THE SIGNS ARE OUT THERE. THERE'S TWO CROSSWALKS NOW, BUT IT'S STILL SCARY. SO I GOT ONE RELATED TO THIS. I HAD A CALL FROM SOMEBODY AND YOU OR A LETTER ABOUT SOMEONE COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW FAST THE BICYCLES ARE GOING ON THE GREENBELT AND THE SCOOTERS, AND THEY PASS THEM AND THEY AND AND, YOU KNOW, SOONER OR LATER SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I WAS IN SUN VALLEY. WE WERE RIDING THOSE TRAILS IN SUN VALLEY. AND THEY HAVE SIGNS EVERY QUARTER MILE THAT SAY WHEN PASSING, USE VOICE OR BELL, RIGHT. IT'S SIMPLE. AND SO YOU LET AND I DO THIS PERSONALLY. WHEN I RIDE ON THE GREENBELT I ALWAYS RING MY BELLS. I'M APPROACHING SOMEONE JUST SO, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN MY WAY, JUST TO LET THEM KNOW THAT I'M THERE, RIGHT, THAT I'M GOING TO BE COMING AROUND THEM. BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I'M WALKING SOMETIMES AND SOMEBODY COMES BY ME ON ONE OF THOSE SCOOTERS GOING, REALLY KIND OF STARTLES YOU, RIGHT? YEAH. AND PARKS HAS A PLAN COMING FORWARD TO DO SIGNAGE. OKAY. FOR ETIQUETTE KIND OF SIGN LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT ALSO SOME SPEED LIMITS AND CONGESTED AREA
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WARNING. OKAY. AND ULTIMATELY. BUT IT'S A COMMON COURTESY, RIGHT? USE USE YOUR VOICE OR YOUR BELL. I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BELL, ALL YOU GOT TO SAY IS I'M ON YOUR LEFT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE DO THAT SKIING ON CAT TRACKS ALL THE TIME. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. NO, THAT'S THAT'S IT'S COMING. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE ARE. OH, MICHELLE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT? I DON'T THANK YOU THOUGH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED.AND AND WE TRAVEL SAFE AND WE WILL
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.