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          ABOUT THIS TIME. SO GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TARDY START. I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO GET MYSELF OUT OF CREEP MODE AT 255 EVERY MONDAY, IT SEEMS LIKE. SO 
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HERE WE ARE STARTING A LITTLE BIT TARDY, BUT WELCOME TO THE IDAHO FALLS WORK SESSION FOR THIS DATE, AND WE WILL START OFF BY HAVING ME EXPLAIN TO YOU, COUNCIL, THAT THE FIRST ITEM IS ACTUALLY THE SAME AS THE ITEM LISTED UNDER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WOULD BE THE. 
          THE EXECUTIVE SESSION HAS TWO COMPONENTS TO IT, AND THE SECOND COMPONENT IS WHAT THIS FIRST ITEM WAS. SO IT'S BEST THAT IT BE CONSIDERED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS JUST NOTE THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR IN PUTTING THE AGENDA TOGETHER, MAYBE A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO, TO JUST I DON'T KNOW, DO WE SHOULD WE MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA? MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE A NICE THING TO DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY A THING. IT'S BEING ADDRESSED LATER. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO WORD THAT JUST MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM ONE UNDER LEGAL PENDING LITIGATION. SECOND OKAY. SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION. CITY CLERK IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? THAT MOTION. YEAH. THAT WORKS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT TECHNICALLY IS ON THERE. IT IS. IT'S JUST IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          BUT I WILL KNOW THAT OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD. AND SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE ON THE TABLE, GO AHEAD AND CALL HER HERE OR. NO. ACTUALLY I NEED TO DO ROLL FIRST. YEAH. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER CALL ROLL. AND THEN I WILL JUST DO A VOICE VOTE ON THAT MOTION, OKAY? OKAY. 
          DON'T LAUGH AT ME. LAUGH WITH ME. RIGHT. I'VE DONE THIS. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE, COUNCILOR RADFORD, HE IS OUT OF TOWN FOR WORK. OKAY, COUNCILOR. HERE, COUNCILOR. 
          FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. I JUMPED RIGHT INTO EXPLAINING THAT THE FIRST ITEM IS ACTUALLY AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM. AND SO WE DID HAVE A MOTION EXPRESSED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DINGMAN. AND IT WAS SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FRANCIS. AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MAKING THAT CHANGE OR MAKING OUR AGENDA LOOK CLEANER, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH THAT. AND THE CITY CLERK WILL HAVE THAT 
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REFLECTED IN OUR MINUTES. SO THEN THAT MEANS THAT THE NEXT ITEM IS A DISCUSSION OF THE 2526 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. AND THIS IS REALLY YOUR TIME, COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO PUT TO BED ANY REMAINING ITEMS AND ISSUES THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO YOU. BASED ON THE HEARINGS. NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CITIZENS WHO TAKE THE TIME TO OFFER TESTIMONY FEEL HEARD. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A TIME TO REFLECT ON ANYTHING THERE THAT YOU WANTED TO NOTE. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, ANY OTHER CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE? ASSUMING WE STAY WITHIN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT. AND SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER, TURN IT TO YOU TO MAKE COMMENTS, AND MAYBE WE CAN TRY TO KEEP OUR DISCUSSIONS GROUPED TOGETHER. SO WE ALL HAVE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT PICKUP FOR SOME DEPARTMENT. LET'S ALL TALK ABOUT THAT AT ONCE RATHER THAN BRINGING IT UP FOUR TIMES OVER THE NEXT HOUR. BUT ANYWAY, COUNCILOR FRANCIS, YOU SEEM TO BE READY TO GO WITH SOMETHING I DO. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE LIBRARY FUND. WELL, COULD I ASK FIRST THAT WE MAYBE ADDRESS ANYTHING FROM THE HEARINGS FIRST? ACTUALLY, THIS DID COME UP FROM THE HEARING. EVEN THOUGH THE PERSON WENT UP IN A DIFFERENT TANGENT. BUT I'M WILLING TO WAIT. NO. GO AHEAD. I WAS MOSTLY THINKING MORE CONVENTIONALLY, AND WHAT I HAVE HERE IS BEYOND ANYTHING THAT PERSON SAID SO, BUT IT DID COME UP IN THE HEARING. OKAY, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS, I GUESS, BUT I'M WILLING TO WAIT. I'LL WAIT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAYBE I'M NOT GOING TO RAISE AN ISSUE FROM THE HEARING, I'M GOING TO JUST SAY THAT I FOUND THAT THE BULK OF THE TESTIMONY WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT. THEY HAD CLEARLY BEEN ABLE TO READ THE BUDGET BOOK, AND THEY KNEW THAT THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD SEE PLACES THAT THAT THEY DISAGREED WITH, MAYBE WHERE THE SPENDING WAS GOING OR CUTS OR WHATEVER. SO THAT PART WAS VERY REFRESHING, ACTUALLY, THAT IT WAS TRANSPARENT AND CLEAR AND, AND THAT THERE WAS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU CUTTING PARKS? AND I PROBABLY HAD 3 OR 4 PEOPLE SINCE THEN ASK ME THAT VERY QUESTION, LIKE THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE BUDGET BOOK AND HAVE SEEN THAT, AND I'VE BEEN 
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ABLE TO EXPLAIN A SHIFT IN FUNDING AS WELL AS THE STREETS AND THE PLOWING. I WAS, I WAS VERY. I WANT TO COMMEND MUNICIPAL SERVICES FOR THOSE CHANGES TO THE BUDGET BOOK, SO THAT PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND LAST YEAR'S BUDGET COMPARED TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. THAT'S NICE FEEDBACK. COUNCILOR FREEMAN, JUST A COMMENT ABOUT A LETTER THAT I RECEIVED. AND I SEE THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED IT ALSO. BUT THE RECENT APPROVAL OF SWEEPING FEE INCREASES ACROSS NEARLY EVERY CITY SERVICE IS DEEPLY DISAPPOINTING AND IRRESPONSIBLE. AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S NOT IRRESPONSIBLE TO ACTUALLY RECOVER THE COST OF SERVICES YOU PROVIDE. IF RESIDENTS AND I BELIEVE THEY DO, THE ONES THAT I HEAR FROM WANT TO KEEP THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE ENJOY, THEN FEES DO NEED TO INCREASE TO MAKE UP FOR THE ADDED COST OF PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES. SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT DISREGARDING THIS LETTER. I JUST THINK THAT THAT THE ACTUAL COST IS IS DRIVING THIS. WE'RE NOT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PUTTING MONEY AWAY FOR OTHER THINGS. THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT COSTS US TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES. WELL, AND I DO THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT OUT AND ONE THAT WE PROBABLY CAN NEVER BE DONE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT. AND THAT IS THAT FEES ARE NOT REVENUE CENTERS. THESE ARE I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE LISTED AS A REVENUE IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S BUDGET SPEAK. BUT THEY ARE COST RECOVERY IN NATURE. BY BASICALLY BY I WANT TO SAY BY THE LAW, BUT BY CASE LAW THEY HAVE TO BE RECOVERY NOT NOT PROFIT CENTERS. SO. THANK YOU. ALSO IN THAT SAME LINE. THE THE WAY WE DO FEES IS WE ARE ABLE TO PREPARE DOWN THE ROAD FOR FUTURE EXPENSES AND BE THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK FOR BORROWING, WHICH COSTS THE TAXPAYER INTEREST. THAT DOESN'T GET THEM ANYTHING. IT'S A GOOD POINT, AND I WANT TO ASK, WE ALSO ARE LUCKY TO HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WHO MAY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME, BUT WE ALSO HAVE BROOKS AND PAM IN THE ROOM WHO HAVE A GREAT DEAL TO DO WITH THE INPUTS AND THE BUILDING OF THE BUDGET. BROOKS WAS WERE DID OUR FEE RESOLUTION, I GUESS PAM DID OUR FEE RESOLUTION THIS YEAR REFLECT EVERY CHANGE, OR JUST THE ONES THAT WERE STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO INCLUDE THE. THE NOTICE WAS JUST THE CHANGES. THE RESOLUTION HAS EVERYTHING RIGHT, BUT WE WE ONLY HAVE TO PUBLISH THOSE THAT ARE TECHNICALLY THOSE THAT ARE CHANGING BY X PERCENT. DID YOU KNOW EVERYTHING IN RED? THAT WAS A CHANGE PERIOD, REGARDLESS OF WHAT PERCENTAGE. SO WE ARE REQUIRED PER STATE STATUTE TO DO A RESOLUTION AND NOTIFY THE PUBLIC THROUGH PUBLIC NOTICE, ANY NEW FEE OR FEE GREATER THAN 5% INCLUDED IN OUR ORDINANCE OF NOT ONLY THOSE FEES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT ALSO THE FEES THAT ARE NOT CHANGING. SO THAT'S WHAT BROOKS WAS SAYING. IT'S INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU'LL SEE THIS THURSDAY EVENING. SO THAT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, BUT IT ALSO GOES WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. AND SO HAD WE ONLY PUBLISHED THE ONES THAT WERE INCREASING BY 5% OR MORE OR THAT WERE NEW, THIS GENTLEMAN MIGHT HAVE SEEN FEWER THINGS CHANGING AND MIGHT HAVE HAD A DIFFERENT IMPRESSION. BUT OUR TRANSPARENCY STANDARDS IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT. AND SO YOU GOT THE WHOLE ENCHILADA. AND IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND I ACTUALLY DIDN'T BRING THEM WITH ME, BUT I DID BRING THEM WITH ME LAST THURSDAY EVENING OR DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. THEY ARE FULL PAGE. I MEAN, THEY ARE VERY THOROUGH IN WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO PUBLISH IN THE POST REGISTER. SO TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS IN A ROW IS WHAT'S REQUIRED. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A COPY FROM OUR COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE IF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO. 
          THERE ARE PLENTY OF COPIES, NOT ONLY IN OUR COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, BUT ALSO IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AS WELL, JUST IN CASE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, THEY COULD ACTUALLY COME AND GET A COPY IN OUR OFFICES. PERFECT. I WOULD ASK THE TWO OF YOU TO GET COMFORTABLE, BECAUSE CHANCES ARE YOU'LL BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE? OKAY, JIM, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT IF IT'S THE PERSON I THINK IT IS, HE SPENT FIVE HOURS GOING THROUGH THAT BUDGET BOOK, AND I MET WITH HIM FOR AN HOUR ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON. AND WE'RE NOT I'M NOT SAYING WE AGREED ON EVERYTHING, BUT WE UNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER REALLY WELL IN THE END. AND HE UNDERSTANDS SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT HE HAD BEFORE. SO I THINK THAT BUDGET BOOK WAS REALLY HANDY NOT ONLY FOR THE CONVERSATION, BUT FOR HIM TO HAVE A RESOURCE TO GO TO. WELL, IT DOES GET BETTER EACH YEAR, AND FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, NEXT YEAR WILL BE EVEN MORE COMPREHENSIVE. SO OR MORE 
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TRICKS WITH THAT DATA THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO. AND I DON'T MEAN TRICKS. I CAN FIND INTERESTING WAYS OF PRESENTING THE DATA. AND IF I COULD JUST ADD REALLY QUICKLY TO EVERY PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD ON OUR BUDGET TUESDAYS, THOSE WERE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL, AND ALSO DRAFTS OF THE BUDGET BOOK. SO IT WASN'T JUST PUBLISHED ONE TIME. IT WAS IT WAS PUBLISHED MULTIPLE TIMES AS WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS IN JULY. SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS THERE. THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. YEAH. HE WENT BACK TO ALL THOSE VIDEOS AND WATCHED THEM AND SAW YOUR SLIDES. IT'S VERY WHAT WE MEAN ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY. EXACTLY. IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE HOPED TO GET FROM THAT. EXACTLY. I THINK EVERYBODY'S GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR FINDING TIME TO MEET WITH HIM, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF HOURS. SO I DIDN'T SPEND FIVE HOURS. 
          HE DID. ALL RIGHT. NOW, I THINK I'VE TRIED TO BE THE BOSS OF THE CONVERSATION LONG ENOUGH. 
          GO AHEAD, JIM, BRING UP WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. YEAH. I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE LIBRARY FUND. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, IT DID COME UP IN THE IN THE HEARING WHEN ONE OF THE PEOPLE BEGAN HIS PRESENTATION WITH A REFERENCE TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE LIBRARY AS A COMMUNITY BUILDER AND PART OF THE COMMUNITY. AND PARTLY GOT ME THINKING. AND THEN I GOT A TEXT FROM COUNCILOR RADFORD ABOUT HOW MANY PART TIME PEOPLE HE THOUGHT WERE GOING TO BE CUT, AND I BEGAN TO THINK WE WERE ALL IN THE ROOM TOGETHER, TALKING WITH BETH ABOUT WHAT SHE DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE FROM THE LIBRARY POINT OF VIEW, FROM THE PARENT POINT OF VIEW, FROM YOUNG PEOPLE POINT OF VIEW, AND FROM COUNCIL POINT OF VIEW. AND SO I MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO SPEAK WITH ROBERT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THEREABOUTS. AND I MADE A PROPOSAL TO HIM THAT, THAT I, THAT I WOULD BRING TO COUNCIL, AND THAT IS BY UPPING THEIR FUNDING BY, BY 50,000 OUT OF THE ONE TIME UNDESIGNATED FUNDS THAT ARE THERE, WHICH I BELIEVE 285,000. THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE THAT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. OKAY. SORRY. THE JUST THE THE ONE TIME AND THE SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT NUMBER. SO THAT AMOUNT COUNCILOR FRANCIS IS 285,000. 
          YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S DISCUSSED LAST WE HAVE. YEAH. SO HE'S HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW ITEMS ARE THE UNALLOCATED THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY. THERE'S 119,000. THAT'S ONGOING MONEY 50,000 FROM THE CLOSEOUT OF OUR BOND DEBT. THAT'S THE ESTIMATED EXTRA LEFT OVER AFTER THE SHOOTING RANGE FOR POLICE. AND THEN 235,000 FROM THE POWER REPAYMENT. SO THE ONE TIME MONEY WOULD BE THE 50,000 TO 235,000 FOR 285,433. SO WAIT, SAY THAT AGAIN THAT IT WOULD BE. OH YEAH, NEVERMIND, I GOT IT. 
          I'M TRYING. SO I THINK I, I ASK HOW FAR 50,000 WOULD GO. AND WHAT I HEARD FROM DIRECTOR WRIGHT WAS, AND I'LL NEED YOU TO CONFIRM THAT I HAVE THIS CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO KEEP THE ESSENCE OF THE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS GOING. SO THE LIBRARY WOULD STILL BE REACHING INTO ITS ONE TIME MONEY FOR APPROXIMATELY 150,000 OR THEREABOUTS TO KEEP IT GOING. 
          YES. AND WE'RE AND PART OF WHAT I DISCUSSED WITH DIRECTOR WRIGHT WAS WE REALLY NEED AND THIS IS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN FASTER THAN IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, IS A WORK GROUP MADE UP OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE LIBRARY BOARD AND REPRESENTATIVES OF COUNCIL, MAYBE 2 OR 3 FROM EACH. WELL, TWO FROM EACH WOULD BE MORE EASIER TO WORK WITH TO 
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WORK OUT A SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM PLAN THAT COULD BE RECOMMENDED TO BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION FROM THERE ON. BUT WITHOUT DOING THAT LONG TERM SUSTAINABLE PLAN, WE HAVEN'T SOLVED THE PROBLEM. NO MATTER HOW MUCH ONE TIME MONEY WE GAVE THEM, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO SPEND ONE TIME MONEY ON ONGOING COSTS. SO THIS IS A STOPGAP PROPOSAL FOR 2026. AND AND IT'S 50,000 MORE FOR THEM OUT OF THAT UNDESIGNATED NUMBER THEIR ONE TIME MONEY. SO I WANTED TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AMONG THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND AND IF I'VE GOTTEN NUMBERS WRONG, DIRECTOR WRIGHT CAN CORRECT ME. SO HERE'S I MEAN, THESE QUESTIONS MIGHT BE FOR DIRECTOR WRIGHT, BUT WHEN THEIR BOARD CAME TO SPEAK WITH US, I THOUGHT THAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO USE THE CURRENT 200,000 THAT THEY HAD PUT IN THEIR BUDGET FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR, THAT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THEIR PROGRAMING DONE WITH THAT WITHOUT DIPPING INTO THE 200,000 IN THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET. AND THEN WHEN WE LEARNED THAT THEY HADN'T BEEN GIVEN THEIR 3% SALARY INCREASE IN, THEN I FELT LIKE, OKAY, ONCE THEY GET THEIR SALARY BENEFIT INCREASE, THEN THERE WOULD BE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO USE THE 200,000 THIS YEAR. 
          THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO DIP INTO IT. SO I JUST GET A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY. AND I WAS CONFUSED TOO, BECAUSE I CAME OUT OF THE LAST MEETING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LIBRARY WOULD COVER THIS COMING YEAR OUT OF THEIR RESERVES, THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE KIND OF PROGRAMS THAT WERE DESCRIBED HERE, AND THAT THE NEXT MAJOR STEP DONE FORTHWITH WOULD BE THIS WORKGROUP TO WORK OUT A LONGER TERM SUSTAINABLE PLAN, BECAUSE NEITHER SIDE CAN CONTINUE WITH ONE TIME MONEY TO KEEP THE LIBRARY GOING. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I LEFT WITH. AND. 
          AND I WAS NOT TOTALLY CORRECT WHEN I SAW COUNCILOR RADFORD'S TEXT MESSAGE ABOUT HOW MANY CUTS WERE POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE MADE, WHICH I CAN'T MANAGE THE LIBRARY, I DON'T WANT TO. 
          YEAH, BUT WHEN I HEAR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY WOULD HELP THEM GET THROUGH THE YEAR AND MAINTAIN THOSE PROGRAMS, THEN EVEN THOUGH PROBABLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ALL THOSE PROGRAMS. AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT GOES. SO BUT IF THEY COULD MAINTAIN THE ESSENCE OF IT, THE WHOLE REASON THAT DIRECTORS PREPARE THEIR BUDGETS AND THEN SUBMIT THEM TO FINANCE EARLY, LIKE IN IN MAY IS SO AT THE END OF MAY IS SO THAT THE FINANCE CAN REVIEW THEM FOR THESE KINDS OF ISSUES ONE TIME VERSUS ONGOING LOGIC AND THEN THEY'RE PRESENT. THEN I COME IN AND HAVE MEETINGS WITH ALL THE DIRECTORS AT THAT TIME AS WELL, AND WE REVIEW THEM, AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS DIDN'T COME UP. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN HAVE JUST MIXED ASSUMPTIONS, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IT WAS DOWN ON PAPER. AND SO I'M AT A LOSS AS TO EXPLAIN HOW WE MISSED UNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER IN THOSE MEETINGS, BOTH WITH FINANCE AND LIBRARY, AND THEN WITH MYSELF AND THE DIRECTOR AND OTHERS WHO WERE IN THE ROOM AND FINANCE TEAM THERE. AND THEN WE GET THE PRESENTATION, AND WE HEARD FROM THAT PRESENTATION THAT MAYBE THE GLITCH WAS THAT WE WEREN'T INCLUDING FUNDING FOR WITHIN THE WE WEREN'T EXPANDING THE LEVY TO INCLUDE THE 3%. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD. WE THEN RECTIFIED THAT IN THE SECOND OR THE THIRD BUDGET MEETING, BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE SECOND ONE THAT LIBRARY PRESENTED DIRECTOR BENTON THE THIRD. AND SO AT THIS POINT, IT FEELS LIKE THE LIBRARY AND THE BOARD ARE GOING TO NEED TO LIVE WITH WHAT THEY PUT FORWARD. I'M THINKING THAT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 200 OUT OF THEIR RESERVES AND 150 OUT OF THEIR RESERVES, VERSUS TAKING THAT 50 FROM TAXPAYERS IN GENERAL? WHAT'S WHAT'S I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM TO FIX. WE DID IDENTIFY ON THAT SECOND TUESDAY THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME DISCONNECTS THAT WE WANT TO WORK OUT LONG TERM. AND THAT WAS A PROJECT FOR THE BEFORE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, KIND OF IN THE IN THE FALL SEASON BEFORE WE KICK OFF NEXT YEAR. SO WHAT WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT FOR TAXPAYERS PICKING UP THAT 50 K VERSUS JUST A LITTLE MORE OUT OF THE RESERVES FOR THE LIBRARY? I THINK MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS. THE MISUNDERSTANDING. I WAS ASSUMING THAT THE LIBRARY RESERVE WAS COVERING THEIR CONTINUED OFFERINGS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US IN MID-JULY. 
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WHEN I FOUND OUT I HAD MISUNDERSTOOD THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE FOR THE TAXPAYER, WHATEVER MISCOMMUNICATION THERE WAS, AND I TAKE A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT PICKING UP ON EXACTLY THE NUANCE OF WHAT WAS BEING SAID IN THE MEETING BY DIRECTOR WRIGHT. BUT WHO'S PAYING THE PRICE? THE PARENTS AND THE CHILDREN WHO DON'T HAVE THE PROGRAMS. SO IF THE 50,000 ALLOWS, IS IT SO? BETTER? WHAT'S BEST, I THINK YES, YES. SWENSON BEST. SWENSON PROGRAMS GOING, WHICH IS WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME WHEN I MET WITH DIRECTOR WRIGHT THEN. I'M WILLING TO DISCUSS IT AMONG THE REST OF COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE COMMUNITY TO PAY A PRICE FOR A MISCOMMUNICATION, THAT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS MEETING AND THURSDAY'S NIGHT FINAL APPROVAL IS FOR US TO GET ALL OF THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT. 
          SO MY QUESTION COMES DOWN TO THE LIBRARY BOARD ITSELF. CHOSE THAT THESE ARE THE PROGRAMS THEY WANTED TO CUT, OR WAS THAT JUST BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY HAD ALREADY ORDERED EVERYTHING ELSE? AND SO, LIKE THEIR M.O. WAS ALREADY SET. AND SO THE ONLY THING LEFT TO CUT WAS PROGRAMS, OR WAS IT KIND OF LIKE, HOW DID HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT? BECAUSE I, I ALSO I ACTUALLY THINK THE PROGRAMS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN I MEAN, I GET LIKE REPLACEMENT THINGS, BUT BUT I TO SEE THE PROGRAMS CUT IS IS A DEEP CUT. SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THEIR BOARD TO DECIDE WHAT PROGRAMS TO CUT. AND WHAT NOT TO, BUT WHAT HAVE DIRECTOR WRIGHT COME TO THE TABLE AND HELP US SORT UNTANGLE SOME THINGS. BUT I WILL SAY THAT I THOUGHT BASED ON THE FIRST PRESENTATION, THAT IT WAS PERSONNEL THAT WOULD BE THE HEAVIEST HIT, AND THAT AND NOT NECESSARILY THE PROGRAMS THEMSELVES, ALTHOUGH I KNOW PERSONNEL HAVE TO DELIVER PROGRAMS. BUT CAN YOU HELP FIX SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW? LIBRARY BOARD DOES NOT DECIDE WHICH PROGRAM TO DO IT. NOT THAT'S A THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE OKAY. 
          LIBRARY BOARD SETS POLICY, SETS BUDGET AND HIRES AND FIRES THE DIRECTOR. SO HOPEFULLY JUST HIRES OKAY OKAY. SO THAT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON MY PART. I THOUGHT THAT THAT THE LIBRARY BOARD IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO COUNCIL. YOU DON'T MAKE DECISIONS IN PUBLIC WORKS ON ON WHAT PROGRAMS YOU APPROVE THE PROGRAMS THAT THE DIRECTORS BRING FORWARD. BUT THE LIBRARY BOARD DOESN'T WEIGH IN AND THEN SAY, LIKE, WE WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THESE PROGRAMS. THAT'S JUST THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT SINCE THE SINCE THE FIRST PART OF JUNE. THEY DON'T MEET IN THE SUMMERTIME. OKAY. BUT TO CLARIFY, PEOPLE ARE PROGRAMS. IT REQUIRES SO MANY PEOPLE JUST TO STAFF THE DESK. SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY HAVE A QUESTION, THERE'S SOMEONE TO HELP THEM. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A PROGRAM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON WATCH THE DESK BY SOMEBODY DOES THE PROGRAM. NOW AS FAR AS THE 50,000 GOES, THIS IS LET ME JUST SAY THIS. I APPRECIATE THE OFFER. IF THE COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE A COMMITMENT TO INCREASE LIBRARY FUNDING IN THE FUTURE, ONE TIME MONEY JUST DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING. IT JUST POSTPONES THE THE ISSUE, WHICH IS WHICH IS EXACTLY MY POINT. THE WHOLE KEY TO ANYTHING I WANT TO DO HERE IS LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY PLAN THAT BOTH COUNCIL AND THE LIBRARY BOARD AGREE TO. AND AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY TO HAMMER OUT. I DON'T THINK IT'S EASY, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD HAPPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WELL, I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S REALLY EASY. THE COUNCIL JUST DECIDED THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE US MORE MONEY OR NOT, AND IF THEY DON'T, THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL MAKE IT WORK. THAT'S WHAT YOU PAY. THAT'S WHAT THEY PAY ME FOR. DIRECTOR. 
          RIGHT. IT IS NOT SO EASY BECAUSE IT ISN'T WHAT WE WANT TO GIVE THE LIBRARY. IT IS WHAT IS AVAILABLE, I UNDERSTAND THAT TOTALLY DIFFERENT. DON'T. DON'T MISUNDERSTAND. THIS IS NOT AN ACCUSATION. IT'S JUST THERE'S X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. THE COUNCIL'S JOB IS TO DECIDE WHO GETS HOW MUCH. AND THE DIRECTOR'S JOB IS TO MAKE IT WORK WITH HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GIVE US, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES. WE HAVE LAID OFF TEN AND A HALF FULL TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS AT THE LIBRARY. IT'S ABOUT ONE THIRD OF OUR WORKFORCE, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FUND THOSE POSITIONS THIS YEAR. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A COMMITMENT FOR ONGOING FUNDING, THERE'S NO REASON TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE ON BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. AND SO WE HAVE DONE THAT, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S THIS IS NOT ACCUSED. I WANT YOU TO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE SUPPORT WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM COUNCIL. BUT THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT IT'S IN THE IT'S IN IT TURNS OUT THAT IT'S IN THE PROGRAMS. LIKE IF 
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THERE WAS A DECISION TO SAY, OH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS BOOK PICKUP THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHATEVER THOSE PRIORITIES ARE, IT IT FEELS LIKE A THIRD OF THE WORKFORCE IS. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN $200,000. NO IT'S NOT. SO THERE'S A THAT'S ABOUT IT'S ABOUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MOST OF THE POSITIONS ARE FULL TIME EQUIVALENTS. SO IT'S TWO AND A HALF FULL DAYS ABOUT 20 POSITIONS. SO IF YOU HAVE 200 EXTRA THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A. I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER TWO 3 MILLION BUDGET. SO THE LIBRARY THE LIBRARY BUDGETS, VARIABLES. YOU HAVE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE MATERIALS. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH SET. YES. SO. SO THERE IS A 200,000 IN MATERIALS IN ORDER TO KEEP THESE PROGRAMS GOING. LET ME TELL YOU MY THEORY OF LIBRARY SERVICE. OVER 40 YEARS, GREAT PEOPLE COME TO THE LIBRARY FOR MATERIALS. AND THE MORE PEOPLE YOU GET COMING, YOU HAVE TO CUT MATERIALS SO YOU CAN HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO HELP THEM. RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE THEY'RE INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL. 
          AND THEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE NOW YOU'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY ON PEOPLE THAN YOU ARE BOOKS. YOU REDUCED YOUR BOOK BUDGET. SO NOW THERE'S NOTHING TO COME FOR. SO 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I CAME, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE AT. WE HAVE $200,000 A YEAR, IS ALL THEY WERE SPENDING ON BOOKS. SO WE LAID OFF A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND THAT WAS NOT REALLY FUN. BUT WE HAD MONEY FOR MATERIALS. AND SO PEOPLE STARTED COMING BACK TO LIBRARY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PEOPLE. SO IT THAT'S THAT'S THE TRADE OFF YOU MAKE. WE JUST NEED TO HAMMER OUT SOMETHING THAT SAYS, OKAY, IF THERE'S A COMMITMENT, IF THERE'S A WAY TO INCREASE FUNDING, WHATEVER THAT IS, THEN ONE TIME MONEY WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BUT IF THERE'S A COMMITMENT WE COULD REALLY SPEND, WE HAVE JUST DECIDED THE BOARD WILL MEET THIS THURSDAY AND FINALIZE EVERYTHING. BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE SPEND AS LITTLE FUND BALANCE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A NO WIN GAME. AND IF THERE'S IF THERE'S NO MONEY FOR THE LIBRARY, THERE'S NO MONEY. THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL MAKE IT WORK. WE'VE ALREADY TRANSFERRED SOME OF THE PERSONNEL MONEY, BUT WE HAVE PROGRAM MONEY. SO WE REARRANGE SOME PROGRAM MONEY WHERE WE'LL WE'LL ACTUALLY CONTRACT OUT SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS, AND WE'LL HAVE A PERSON COME IN AND DO SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS SO. WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP TO EXPLAIN WHY GETTING BY WITH TAKING A LITTLE BIT OUT OF YOUR RESERVE AND MAYBE ADDING A LITTLE BIT FROM THE BUDGET ON ONE TIME MONEY, LETS YOU LIMP THROUGH 2026, AND BY THEN, HOPEFULLY THERE'S A PLAN ADOPTED THAT SAYS, HERE'S HOW WE GO FORWARD, BECAUSE NEITHER OF US CAN KEEP GOING WITH ONE TIME MONEY BEYOND. BUT IF YOU'RE DOING SOME THINGS WITH CONTRACTS, THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A HIRED EMPLOYEE, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE THE CONTRACTS ONE TIME ALSO, WELL, WE JUST REARRANGE HOW WE SPEND OUR PROGRAMING. BUT THAT'S I'VE ALREADY TOLD MY SUPERVISORS WE PLAN ON HAVING NO PART TIME EMPLOYEES NEXT YEAR. SO I MEAN, THAT IS AND REALLY WHAT WE USE PART TIME EMPLOYEES FOR, THEY SHELF THE BOOKS AND THEY DO THE THE LEAST SKILLED POSITIONS. 
          BUT WE CAN REARRANGE. WE CAN REARRANGE TO MAKE THAT WORK. AND WHEN WE MET, I THINK I'M PROBABLY THE ONE THAT MENTIONED THE NUMBER FIRST, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL I THOUGHT WAS EVEN REASONABLE TO TAKE OUT OF THIS. SO CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THAT MIGHT BE USED, OR WHAT DIFFERENCE IT MIGHT MAKE, OR SHOULD WE JUST DROP IT? WELL, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IS THERE A WILLINGNESS ON THE COUNCIL TO WORK FORWARD ON THIS? AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A QUESTION TO ANSWER TODAY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF IF WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME POSITION NEXT YEAR WHERE THERE'S NO MONEY AND WE CAN'T HIRE THESE PEOPLE, THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST FIX IT NOW. AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE ANOTHER $50,000. DON'T KID ME. I MEAN, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT THAT'S. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO ASKED US TO COME UP WITH THIS SUSTAINABLE PLAN WITH THE COORDINATION OF CITY COUNCIL AND LIBRARY BOARD. AND I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU HAD ASKED THE LIBRARY BOARD TO PUT 2 OR 3 PEOPLE ON A WORKGROUP TO GET THAT DONE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. LET'S JUST TOUCH THE BRASS TACKS. WHATEVER THE LIBRARY PROPOSES. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE HERE WHETHER YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM MONEY, WHETHER YOU DO AN OVERRIDE LEVY, WHETHER YOU USE FOREGONE, WHETHER YOU JUST TAKE GENERAL FUND MONEY AND ALLOCATE IT TO LIBRARY. THOSE ARE NOT DECISIONS THE LIBRARY BOARD CAN MAKE. THEY CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT ULTIMATELY THE RECOMMENDATION IS YOU GIVE US MORE MONEY. SO THE DEEP DIVE WAS TO BRING TOGETHER. FINANCE COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, ADMINISTRATIONS, PERSPECTIVE, 
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LIBRARY BOARDS, PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE EVEN LIBRARY STAFF PERSPECTIVE IF YOU THINK YOU NEED IT AND GET CLEAR ON PROBLEM HISTORY AND THE HISTORY OF FUNDING OVER THE LAST LITTLE WHILE, HOW THE CHANGE WOULD NOT HAVING THE COUNTY CONTRACT, HOW THAT HAS IMPACTED THE LIBRARY, AND HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT REALLY STRAIGHTENS OUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO. THE LIBRARY COMPARED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, REMEMBER, WE WE TELL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TWO THINGS WHEN THEY GO TO DO THEIR BUDGETING. ONE IS THAT YOUR PERSONNEL, YOUR INCREASED PERSONNEL COSTS ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED. WE'RE GOING TO COVER THOSE. SECOND, WE TELL THEM WE WANT TO REMEMBER ALL THE EFFORT WE PUT INTO THIS DEFINITION. WE WANT AN OPERATIONALLY FLAT BUDGET. 
          AND SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE SAME OPERATIONS AND IT WILL COST A LITTLE MORE. 
          GAS IS MORE, MATERIALS ARE MORE, BUT IT'S THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE. THAT'S WHAT WE ASK FOR. 
          FOR THE LIBRARY. WE SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE'VE SAID SOME YEARS WE MAY BE MOST WE'RE GOING TO MEET YOUR EMPLOYEE COSTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVEN'T DONE THAT CONSISTENTLY IN ALL YEARS. AND THEN WE SAY AND LIVE UNDER THE THE LEVEE. BUT THE LEVEE HASN'T BEEN FLAT. THE RATE HAS. THE MILL RATE HAS. BUT AS WE HAVE EXPERIENCED GROWTH, BOLIVIA HAS GROWN, BUT MAYBE NOT ENOUGH TO COVER INFLATIONARY EXPENSES ON BOOKS OR INCREASE SALARY NEEDS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY COSTS QUITE A BIT MORE NOW THAN THEY DID FIVE YEARS AGO, SIMPLY BECAUSE WAGES HAVE CHANGED POST COVID. SO I THINK THAT IT'S THERE IS A FAIR BASIS FOR HAVING THE CONVERSATION. THERE'S REALLY NO BLAME ANYWHERE. IT'S JUST BEEN A SERIES OF ASSUMPTIONS OVER TIME THAT HAVE NOW CAUGHT UP WITH US AND WE CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER. BUT THE TIME FOR THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE TO RESOLVE IT. 
          BEFORE THE BEFORE THE BUDGET WAS VOTED ON, IT WAS GOING TO BE A THIS FALSE SOLUTION IN MY THE WAY I HEARD IT, BECAUSE IF NOT, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO GET ON THIS LONG BEFORE TODAY AND THIS THURSDAY NIGHT. SO I, I APOLOGIZE IF WE DIDN'T GET TO IT QUICKLY ENOUGH FOR YOU TO HAVE IT PUT TO BED COUNCILOR FRANCIS, IN THIS BUDGET. BUT I PERSONALLY HEARD OR THOUGHT IT WAS TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE NEXT BUDGET, AND THAT THIS ONE WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER LIMP THROUGH. AND ROBERT, YOU WERE UPBEAT WHEN THAT BUDGET PRESENTATION WAS MADE. AND SO IT WAS HARD TO TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, THINGS BREAKING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING AND I THAT'S OKAY. STATUTORILY, THE LIBRARY BOARD IS CHARGED WITH PRESENTING THE COUNCIL WITH A BUDGET THAT THEY FEEL IS NECESSARY TO FUND THE LIBRARY. SO MAYBE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE MISCOMMUNICATION, BUT I THINK IT'S IN THE COUNCIL'S POSITION TO SAY, AND THIS IS JUST MY, MY OPINION, THE COUNCIL POSITION WOULD BE SAYING, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU. BUT THE BOARD IS CHARGED STATUTORILY WITH PRESENTING A BUDGET WHICH THEY FEEL WILL PROVIDE LIBRARY SERVICES. SO THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A. MISUNDERSTANDING ON HOW THAT ACTUALLY IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S WELL, I THINK THE TIME TO GET THAT IRONED OUT IS AS WE DO THIS, THIS, THIS COMING TOGETHER. BUT SINCE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THIS WEEK, WHAT WHAT WOULD BE YOUR DRUTHERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO COME UP WITH SOME ONE TIME MONEY OUT OF THESE DOLLARS OR TO JUST SAY, LIBRARY, LIVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND WILL WILL GO FORWARD? OR WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? I HEAR ONE MORE COMMENT. I MEAN, I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS THE LIBRARY BOARD IS UNDER THE IMPRESSION YOU DO NOT WANT THEM TO SPEND A FUND BALANCE ON OPERATING COSTS. SO THEY'VE TRIED TO MINIMIZE THAT. SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT FUND BALANCE. AND AND WHAT THEIR SAVINGS FROM LAST YEAR NOT DOING A AN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT RESULTED IN THOSE NOT BEING SPENT AROUND $3 MILLION IN THAT FUND. SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME, SOMEWHERE AROUND $3 MILLION IN THAT FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. YEAH. SEE, THAT'S WHAT I WALKED AWAY FROM JULY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE TIME MONEY OUT OF THE LIBRARY RESERVE WAS GOING TO PROTECT THESE PROGRAMS. WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE TRUE, I WAS TRYING TO FIND SOME KIND OF STOPGAP SOLUTION TO GET THROUGH 2026, BUT WAS THE REASON THAT THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'D LEFT OUT THE 3% INCREASE FOR THE EMPLOYEES, AND THEN THEY WERE GOING TO KNOW THE 3% INCREASE ONLY COVERED FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. OKAY, THAT WAS THE STEP THAT I BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT MAYBE THE THE CUTS TO PROGRAMING WERE DUE TO 
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THAT SHORTFALL. AND THEN WE CORRECTED THAT. YEAH. AND IN MY TEXT MESSAGE WITH DIRECTOR. 
          RIGHT. BASICALLY SAYS THE SAME THING. I DON'T KNOW IF HE TEXTED EVERYBODY, BUT I ASSUME HE TEXTED ALL OF US THAT WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM. THAT'S A JULY TEXT. AND MY ANSWER TO HIM WAS, OKAY, CAN WE GET THE 65,000 FOR THE TO COVER THE SALARY? RIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL WORK OUT A SUSTAINABLE PLAN AND THAT WILL THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO NOW. AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          I GUESS I ASSUMED THAT MEANT THE LIBRARY WOULD LIMP THROUGH ONE MORE YEAR WITH THEIR OWN ONE TIME MONEY. AND NO, NOW YOU WANT TO USE 50,000? YEAH, BECAUSE I FOUND OUT THE CRISIS WAS DEEPER. OR MAYBE CRISIS IS THE WRONG WORD. THE EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS WAS DEEPER THAN I THOUGHT IN MY OWN UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. AND I SHOULD HAVE MET WITH ROBERT ON JULY. JUST TO GET THAT STRAIGHT. 150 IN THIS. IS THAT COMING FROM A FUND? IT'S A FUND BALANCE. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ABOUT $3 MILLION IN IT. YES. SO WE'RE TAKING 150 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER 50 COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND MONEY. YEAH. WHY THAT'S A DECISION WE MAKE. BUT IF WE THINK IT HAS VALUE WHY CAN'T IT COME FROM FUND? I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY TAKING 150. WHAT IS THE HEARTBURN WITH ANOTHER 50 IF WE THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, IF THAT'S THE FUNDING LEVEL THAT WE WANT TO ARRIVE AT, I DON'T. WHILE YOU'RE PONDERING THAT, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. ROBERT. YOU SAID, DIRECTOR RICE, YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT USING CONTRACTS OR TO TO TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE PROGRAMS. CAN YOU JUST GO INTO THAT JUST A LITTLE FURTHER? SO WE BUDGET MONEY FOR PROGRAMS AND THAT'S USUALLY JUST SUPPLIES. SO WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE THAT WAS LAID OFF WHO WAS WILLING TO DOES 2 OR 3 PROGRAMS FOR US, BUT IS DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB. AND SO I TALKED TO THE CHILDREN'S SERVICES PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO COVER IT. BUT IF WE CAN REALLOCATE SOME OF OUR PROGRAMING MONEY, SO SUPPLY MONEY TO TO COVER THAT, THEN THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DROP THE CONTRACT SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT IN THE EARLY STAGES, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS THAT DOLLARS FOR THOSE SUPPLIES, PROGRAM SUPPLIES AND TO SUPPORT THAT THAT APPROACH WOULD THAT MIGHT INCORPORATE SOME VOLUNTEERS MIGHT INCORPORATE JUST A LITTLE CHANGE OR SO IN THE PROGRAM THAT BEING OFFERED THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM THE 150 OR WOULD COME FROM THE 50. IT'S COMING OUT OF THE IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF IT'S COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET OF MONEY FOR PROGRAMS. WE'LL JUST REARRANGE A SMALLER AMOUNT THAN IN THE PAST. IT'S ABOUT $5,000. SO CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE LEVY AMOUNT IS THAT WE LEVY FOR THE LIBRARY FOR THIS YEAR, 20 2627 YEAR? DO YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER? IT WAS THE SAME AS LAST YEAR PLUS THE 60,000. SO I THINK IT'S TWO. IT WAS TWO NINE SOMETHING. SO IT'S GOING TO BE JUST OVER $3 MILLION. WE PLANNED ON 3,042,763. THAT'S ADDING IN THE 64,000 TO THAT PERSONNEL COST CHANGE. OKAY. I THINK THAT THE LIMIT HERE IS THE BOARD IS UNDER THE IMPRESSION AND I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION COUNSEL DOES NOT WANT US TO SPEND FUND BALANCE ON OPERATIONS. AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU'RE OKAY IF WE SPEND FUND BALANCE ON OPERATIONS THIS YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I'M NOT SURE WE UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL YEAR. WELL, WHAT WAS THERE? I GUESS WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT? WHEN THEY CAME TO DO THEIR PRESENTATION, WHAT NUMBER DID THEY PROPOSE TO US? WELL LET'S SEE, HERE'S THE DILEMMA WITH THIS YEAR. IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS. WE PROPOSED REVENUE AND EXPENSES. THIS YEAR WE JUST PROPOSED EXPENSES. WE WERE TOLD NOT TO PROPOSE REVENUE. AND THAT IS A THAT'S A MAJOR CHANGE. OKAY. SO WHAT WAS THE PROPOSED EXPENSES? YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I THINK I, I MY MISUNDERSTANDING WAS WAS THAT I ASSUMED THAT THE PROPOSAL OF EXPENDITURES WOULD MATCH REVENUE. YEAH. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT I HAD TO KIND OF WATCH FOR THAT. AND REALIZING NOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS JUST PROPOSING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT OR NEED. I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT AT ALL. 
          NO. THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, THIS, I JUST DIDN'T I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CONNECTION. BUT WHAT THEY 
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WERE PROPOSING WAS NOT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SITTING AVAILABLE TO THEM. IN PAST BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, FINANCE HAS ALWAYS MADE IT CLEAR. AND WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND THIS IS NOT THE SAME. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT IN THE PAST. MARK WHAT I SAY COUNCIL NEEDS TO LIBRARIES ASKING TO SPEND THIS MUCH. THEY HAVE THIS MUCH REVENUE. THAT MEANS IF YOU WANT TO BALANCE IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD 400,000 OR 250,000. YEAH. THAT WAS NOT DONE THIS YEAR. OKAY. SO WE STILL TO THIS DAY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE. 
          WELL, FOR YOU, YOU HAVE AN AMOUNT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED BY FINANCE. THE 3,000,042 42. BUT WHAT WHAT IS YOUR BOARD ASKING FOR? WELL, THEY WEREN'T ASKING TO DO THE BROADWAY PROJECT, BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. SO THAT'S LIKE $1 MILLION. OKAY, SO WHAT IS THE FINAL NUMBER? YEAH. YEAH. 
          SO IT WAS 4,649,009 14. BUT LIKE 1.5 MILLION OF THAT IS CAPITAL EXPENSES. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO WHAT IS THAT DIFFERENCE? YOU SAID IT WAS FOR WHAT FLORIDA OKAY. SO FY 25 THE CURRENT YEAR WE'RE IN THE LIBRARY BUDGET WAS 4.94149. THE FISCAL YEAR 26 IS 4.649914. 
          OKAY. SO SO WE CAN SO THERE'S A PROJECT TO BE PULLED OUT. SO THERE ISN'T REALLY EVEN RIGHT NOW. IT'S STILL A LITTLE CONFUSING TO SAY THAT THEY ARE REALLY ASKING FOR 200,000 MORE OR 150,000 MORE OR WHATEVER TO, TO KEEP WHATEVER PROGRAMS IT IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SUSTAIN. 
          WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL? I HAVE A HISTORY OF THE OPERATING EXPENSES PULLED OUT SO THAT CAPITAL IS NOT SKEWING NUMBERS. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH IS IN THERE. REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS IF YOU'RE OKAY SPENDING FUND BALANCE, THAT'S WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF FUND BALANCE THAT WE'RE SPENDING. SURE. SO AND WHAT IS FUND BALANCE FOR. RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A SHORTFALL IT'S FOR WELL WE WERE TOLD BY COUNCIL THAT'S FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS OR SOMETHING OKAY. SO IF WE'RE CHANGING THAT THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE IN THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY ON REPAIRS. WE HAVE AN AGING COOLING TOWER THAT SOMEWHERE NORTH OF $250,000, YOU HAVE 61 HEAT PUMPS IN THE BUILDING THAT COST 2500 TO $5000 APIECE. MOST OF THEM, THE NEWEST ONES ARE LIKE 20 YEARS OLD. SOME OF THOSE ARE STILL ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT. THIS IS AFTER I'M GONE. BUT ANYWAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT EXPENSES. AND WHETHER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PICK THOSE UP IN THE FUTURE OR JUST SAVE THAT MONEY TO SPEND THEM, THEY'RE WE CAN MAKE THIS REALLY EASY IF YOU WANT TO SUSPEND FUND BALANCE, IF WE NEED THE EXTRA 50,000, WE CAN JUST TAKE OUT OF FUND BALANCE. 
          IT'S BEEN BUDGETED, THE EXPENSE IS BUDGETED, AND THAT'S WHAT CONTROLS HOW MUCH MONEY THE LIBRARY BOARD CAN SPEND. I MEAN, WE'LL ALWAYS TAKE EXTRA MONEY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN APARTMENT IN THE CITY WOULD SAY, NO, PLEASE DON'T GIVE ME ANY MORE MONEY. AND I THINK EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY COULD SPEND THAT MONEY WISELY. SO I GOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION FOR YOU. I GUESS ABOUT 50,000. SO ARE YOU TALKING THE 50,000 FROM THE FROM THE CERTIFICATE OF PARTICIPATION? NO, I DON'T I DIDN'T DIVIDE IT OUT. I JUST OKAY ANY JUST ANY OF THE RESIDUAL. YEAH. THE UNDESIGNATED ONE TIME MONEY. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS. IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE 50,000. I'M HOPING THE LIBRARY WILL KEEP ITS PROGRAMS BY REACHING INTO THEIR OWN RESERVE. AT LEAST 150,000. AND WE CAN HELP THEM GET THROUGH THIS COMING BUDGET YEAR, WHICH IS NOT ANY KIND OF SUSTAINABLE PLAN, BUT I'M HOPING WE CAN DO THAT. AND JUST EVEN IF WE DON'T GO 50,000, WHICH IS IT IS NOT THE GAME CHANGER, THE GAME CHANGERS DECIDING TO SPEND LIBRARY RESERVES TO KEEP THEIR PROGRAMS GOING ONE MORE YEAR. 
          YEAH, BUT THAT'S THEIR DECISION. I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTROL THAT EXCEPT TO SAY THIS IS HOW MUCH WE CAN GIVE YOU. PERIOD. THERE IS THAT SPENDING AUTHORITY QUESTION. SO COUNCIL HAS TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE SPENDING AUTHORITY IS. AND THEN RUTHERFORD IS ASKING FOR CLARITY ON CAN WE OR CAN WE NOT SPEND THE ONE TIME MONEY. SO THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT WAS REQUESTED AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED IS 1.6 AND THEN $7,000, RIGHT. AND THAT IS YOU'RE SAYING THAT WAS THE BROADWAY PROJECT. THERE'S HALF $1 MILLION FUND BALANCE IN CASE SOMETHING BREAKS IN THE BUILDING THAT WE ALWAYS BUDGET HALF $1 MILLION IN CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. OKAY. THERE'S A HALF MILLION DOLLAR CONTINGENCY. AND 
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WE ALWAYS PUT IT IN THE BUDGET. SO IF THE COOLING TOWER DIES OR THE HEAT PUMPS DIE, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND HAVE YOU OPEN THE BUDGET TO DO THAT. AND THEN THE BROADWAY PROJECT WAS THE REASON, I BELIEVE, THAT THE BROADWAY PROJECT WAS CUT, WAS A RECOGNITION THAT WE HAVE AN UNSUSTAINABLE BUDGET, AND WE HAVE AN UNCERTAIN FUTURE WHEN IT COMES TO REPAIRS AND AND SUCH. AND IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE YOU WANTED TO CUT YOUR RESERVES IN HALF RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. NOT UNTIL WE HAVE MORE CLARITY ABOUT THE FUTURE. AND SO WE DECIDED TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN THAT. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. IT'S ALL ABOUT PEOPLE AND WE CAN'T. THERE'S NO REASON TO REMODEL BROADWAY, AND WE HAVE NO STAFF TO OPERATE THE PROGRAMS OUT THERE. SO. AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S. OKAY. SO COUNCIL, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO COMMIT. WHERE DO YOU WANT TO DOES THE DOES THE BUDGET AS WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW INCLUDE THE 150 COMING FROM THE FUND? I BELIEVE IT INCLUDES THE WHOLE 200. THE WAY THE BUDGET WORKS, YOU HAVE REVENUE ALLOCATED TO THE LIBRARY AND YOU HAVE EXPENSES. THAT'S WHAT YOU APPROVE. RIGHT NOW. EXPENSES EXCEED THE REVENUE BY $1 MILLION PLUS. SO YOU'RE APPROVING EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FOR THE LIBRARY TO SPEND $4.6 MILLION, BUT YOU'RE ONLY GIVEN THE LIBRARY $3 MILLION IN REVENUE, WHICH MEANS IF THEY WANT TO SPEND MORE THAN THAT, THEY WILL HAVE TO DIP INTO THE FUND BALANCE. THAT THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS WORKED IN THE PAST. AND THE FUND BALANCE IS 3 MILLION. IT'LL BE ROUGHLY 3 MILLION BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. YEAH. SO THAT'S MORE PARTIALLY EXPLAINS THESE THIS CHART. ARE YOU SEEING BUDGET ACTUAL BECAUSE BUDGET IS THAT HIGHER SPEND NUMBER AND ACTUAL IS JUST WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. YEAH. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UP HERE IS JUST THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET PULLING OUT THE CAPITAL OUTLAY AND CONTINGENCY. SO THESE DARK BLUE LINES ARE THE EXPENDITURE BUDGETS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED. AND THOSE INCLUDE CAPITAL. THEY DO NOT INCLUDE CAPITAL. THIS IS JUST OPERATIONAL COSTS. SO SINCE 2024, 2023 IS THE FIRST YEAR WHERE THE COUNTY MONEY WENT AWAY. THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING LOOKS MORE RIGHT SIZED. WE HAD BUDGETED REVENUE THAT COVERED BUDGETED EXPENSES SINCE 24. THOSE BUDGETED OPERATIONAL EXPENSES HAVE EXCEEDED THE REVENUES PROJECTED. AND THEN, AS YOU SEE, THE REVENUES HAVE STAYED SLIGHTLY INCREASING. THAT'S BEEN THOSE SLIGHT INCREASES TO THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY. AND THE EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN RELATIVELY FLAT AS WHAT HAS BEEN BUDGETED. BUT THE EXPENDITURE ACTUALS HAVE STARTED TO GROW AS THE VACANT STAFFING THAT CAME BACK INTO THE BUDGET IN 2024 HAS STARTED TO BE FILLED. SO THIS WAS A STAFFING ISSUE BETWEEN 23 AND 24. THAT WENT AWAY AFTER 2022. STAFFING AND SOME PROGRAMMATIC OPERATIONAL COSTS AS WELL HAVE GONE UP. SO FOR THE LAST SINCE 2024, THE BUDGET HAS BEEN ADOPTED, WITH THE PLAN TO SPEND INTO FUND BALANCE OPERATIONALLY AS WELL AS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, SO THAT OUR ACTUALS TYPICALLY DO NOT EXCEED THE BUDGET. CORRECT. THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF FRUGALITY BEING APPLIED TO THE MANAGEMENT BUDGET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR THE MOON AND THEN SPEND IT. IT'S IT'S A LOT OF CARE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR FUND BALANCE WAS ACHIEVED, BUT I IMAGINE THE FRUGALITY WAS A PART OF THAT SAVING OVER TIME. BUT MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS I CAN TELL YOU. I MEAN. 
          OH, WELL, ASSUMING YOU DIDN'T ROB A BANK, WE'RE OKAY. SO. AND THAT WAS SARCASM, EVERYBODY. 
          THAT WAS SARCASM. AND SO COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE A MINDSET. DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO THROW OUT A AN IDEA OR A PROPOSAL TO GO FORWARD. AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DECIDE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT. I GUESS I, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY COULD, THAT WE WOULD THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SPENDING AUTHORITY. I'M FINE TO USE THE ONE TIME MONEY AND TRY AND GET THIS COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEAS OF. MATERIALS AND PERSONNEL AND PROGRAMS. AND EVEN I KNOW I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD WHO SAID THAT THEY ALSO ARE HAVING PROGRAMMATIC ISSUES BECAUSE THEY'RE RELYING ON VOLUNTEERS NOW. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE'S A MUCH BROADER CONVERSATION TO HAVE. SO I'M PERSONALLY, I WOULD I WOULD PREFER IT ALL BE OUT OF LIBRARY THAN TO TRY AND SAY, WELL, $50,000. AND I JUST SAY, LET IT, LET IT BE FROM THE LIBRARY FUND. SO NO CHANGE OTHER THAN TO IN 
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TERMS OF WHAT'S BEEN WHAT'S ON PAPER, BUT A CHANGE TO THE EXPECTATION THAT THE LIBRARY CAN DIP, AS THEY DID TO HELP DELIVER PROGRAMING. BECAUSE WE DID. I JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE APPROVED FOUR POINT SOMETHING MILLION IN SPENDING AGAINST ABOUT $1 MILLION LESS THAN THAT WITH THE AUTHORIZATION TO USE THE FUND. AND YOU NEEDED IT. IS THAT WELL, THE BUDGET LOOKED LIKE THAT'S KIND OF IMPLIED. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SAID. IT'S WE'RE GONNA ALLOW YOU TO SPEND AS MUCH MONEY. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS MUCH MONEY IF YOU WANT TO SPEND THE DIFFERENCE, YOU FIND IT. YEAH, BUT YOU CAN AUTHORIZE YOU TO SPEND ANOTHER FUND. YES. THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE. WELL, I MEAN, WE COULD GET GRANTS. WE COULD DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          BUT YOU'RE AUTHORIZING EITHER WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE FUND. SO. YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY HAVE RESERVES. BUT TYPICALLY THOSE RESERVES ARE EARMARKED FOR SOMETHING. BUT SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS. BUT BUT TO LET DIRECTOR WRIGHT KNOW THAT THAT USING FUND BALANCE AS WE WORK THROUGH WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THIS FALL SO THAT WE DON'T CUT PEOPLE WHO THEN CAN'T COME BACK OR DON'T COME BACK OR DON'T KNOW THE PROGRAMS, JUST ALL OF THAT SEEMS NOT JUST COMPLICATED, BUT EXPENSIVE. AND BY THE TIME YOU BADGE SOMEONE AND YOU SEND THEM BACK THROUGH HR AND YOU GET A BACKGROUND CHECK AND THEY DO ALL OF THAT STUFF, IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE WILL TAKE THAT 200,000 IF WE BRING THESE PROGRAMS BACK NEXT YEAR, AND IT'LL BE GONE IN OTHER KINDS OF EXPENSES BY TRYING TO REHIRE. SO IS THIS A ONE TIME OFFER TO DO THIS? AND WE HAVE TO BACK TO WHAT JIM SAID ABOUT COMING UP WITH SUSTAINABILITY. YEAH, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND LIBRARY AND HOW THEIR LIBRARY BOARD IS GOING TO LOOK TOWARDS MATERIALS AND PROGRAMING AND PERSONNEL. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S BEEN PUT FORWARD. AND AND THE COUNCIL CONSENSUS OR DIRECTION. I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. 
          YEAH. THUMBS UP ON WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. SO WITH COUNCILOR BURTON OKAY. MICHELLE OKAY. 
          THAT'S THREE I KEEP THINKING THAT THAT'S A REFERENCE. NOT HERE, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T CHANGE THE MAP SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT DOESN'T HAVE A CONTINGENCY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO COUNCILOR LARSON IS ALSO NOTED AS HAD. SO COUNCILOR FRANCIS, WHETHER YOU'VE BEEN PERSUADED OR STILL WANTED THE 50. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE FINE. THE MAIN REASON I CAME WITH AN IDEA TODAY IS TO TRY TO PROTECT THOSE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. SO STATEMENTS MAKES THAT SAME POINT. IF WE ALL NOD OUR HEAD, THE WILL OF COUNCIL AS FAR AS THE LIBRARY GOES IS THOSE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS ARE IMPORTANT. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE WHO'S CURRENTLY EMPLOYED WILL STILL BE EMPLOYED AFTER OCTOBER 1ST. OH, TOTALLY, BECAUSE WE CAN'T MANAGE THE LIBRARY, NOR DO WE WANT TO. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S A BROAD UNDERSTANDING AND THEN A COMMITMENT TO THE THE WHAT WE HAD, I GUESS, CASUALLY REFERRED TO AS A DEEP DIVE. BUT I THINK IT'S STILL THE SAME CONCEPT AND THAT THERE WILL BE A GROUP TO STUDY THIS AND TO WORK OUT A SOLUTION. I THINK IT'S BEST THAT THAT BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL RATHER THAN. DONE WITH COUNCIL MEETINGS, JUST BECAUSE THAT STUDY AND THAT INQUIRY, THOSE CASUAL CONVERSATIONS. BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS MIGHT PRODUCE A REALLY ROBUST PRODUCT THAT YOU CAN THEN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT. SO IF THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS, I'LL PROBABLY TURN TO COUNCILOR FRANCIS, BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY BEEN INVOLVED, MAYBE TO OUR LIAISON. BUT IF THERE ARE OTHERS OF YOU THAT REALLY WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS DIALOG, BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, LET ME KNOW SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS INVOLVED IN THAT IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. IS THAT GOOD? ALL RIGHT. OTHER TOPICS OR POINTS THAT YOU WISH TO RAISE? I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO RAISE ONE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO BLINDSIDE ANYBODY ON THURSDAY. SO I ONCE AGAIN JUST WANT TO RECONSIDER THE 500,001 TIME. I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS KIND OF SPOKEN TO IT. I WOULD TAKE THE 285 OF ONE TIME MONEY, PLUS THE ONGOING GETS US AT 404. THAT CLEARS OUT THE BUDGET THAT WE ACTUALLY KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET WITHOUT TAKING THAT MONEY. I WOULD GIVE IT TO FIRE TO TRY 
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AND GET WHAT THEY CAN WITH THE STORAGE. THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH IS PART OF WHY I'VE BEEN CONCERNED WITH THIS ENTIRE BUDGET PROCESS, IS THE STAFFING OF STATION SIX. IT'S AHEAD OF TIME. IT'S AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. IT'S I MEAN, NOBODY IS GOING TO COMPLAIN THAT SOMETHING WAS BUILT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, BUT I AM I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE A PAUSE ON THAT. AND IF WE CAN USE THAT STATION FOR STORAGE FOR A WHILE AND GIVE FIRE BOTH THE 285 PLUS THE 119 OF ONGOING. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO TO TRY AND GET THE FOREGONE ONE TIME OFF THE TABLE. 
          I FEEL LIKE THAT IS, I DON'T MEAN THAT IN ANY KIND OF NEGOTIATING, BUT IT FELT WEIRD SAYING IT THAT WAY. BUT I DO THINK THAT COMMERCIAL OWNERS ARE GOING TO FEEL A LOT OF THE CRUNCH OF THAT. 1 MILLION OR $2 MILLION. WE'RE TAKING 3% PLUS 1% FOREGONE ONGOING PLUS 1% ONE TIME. THE COUNTY'S TAKING 3% PLUS 1%. WE KNOW CEI IS GOING TO DO THEIR 3%. I WORRY ABOUT SCHOOL DISTRICT NUMBER 91 EVER PASSING A BOND AGAIN. IF VOTERS HAVE TO VOTE, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OH YES, THE CITY SAVED US $20 A MONTH. AND SO YES, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE TO HAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE IN THIS TERM WAS A $404,000 AND THEN ASKED FOR 500 IS JUST A STEP TOO FAR. OKAY, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO BLINDSIDE ANYBODY. AND AND I HAD ALREADY KIND OF I HAD TALKED TO CHIEF NELSON. SO EVERYBODY TALKED TO CHIEF NELSON. I MEAN, FOR SURE, I'M NOT PROPOSING. SOMETHING SEPARATE FROM HIM. RIGHT. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT BY THURSDAY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE I JUST ASK ONE MORE TIME. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IF WE TOOK ALL THE UNDESIGNATED FUNDING. 
          YES. AND PUT IT TOWARDS THIS STATION, RULED IN $95,000 OF 500,000. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE EXTRA IF THAT. THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL. I CAN LIVE WITH THAT, BECAUSE MY MAIN POINT IS. I, FROM MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS THE PRIORITY. GET THAT STORAGE BUILDING BUILT SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP THEIR EQUIPMENT PROTECTED AND PARK IT IN A WAY. 
          SO ACCESS TO ALL THE VEHICLES IS READILY AVAILABLE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE 95,000 WILL COME FROM, BUT USUALLY THAT'S NOT DOABLE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. AND THEN THE 119 IS IS IT IN THE BUDGET FOR THE ONGOING. SO THAT'S THE START OF SOMETHING FOR THE PERSONNEL TO FIT. START. 119 WELL THE 119 IS ONGOING MONEY. I THINK THE WHOLE I PUT THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL I HAD, I ADDED UP ALL THREE OF THOSE NUMBERS, 119 TO 119,000 TO 50,000 TO 235,000 TO GET A LITTLE OVER 400,000. YES. AND SO THE SO ALL THE UNDESIGNATED MONEY GOES TOWARDS. BUT 119 OF THAT IS THE ONGOING MONEY. RIGHT. AND SO THAT IS A SMALL AMOUNT. BUT IT'S THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS GETTING THE STATION, ACTUALLY, THEY NEED FOR PEOPLE. THEY NEED FIVE, YOU KNOW, JUST LET'S ONE AT A TIME. IT WOULDN'T BE IN THIS YEAR. BUT IT'S ONGOING. 
          AND SO IN THE BUDGET, ONGOING MONEY AT A ONE TIME TO A ONE TIME USE, IT BOUNCES BACK TO YOU TO BE REALLOCATED EVERY YEAR. YEAH. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL THAT IS. YEAH. AND JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT THE MAYOR SAID. SO THE ONGOING MONEY IS ACTUALLY PUT INTO A SEPARATE ACCOUNT. AND THEN WHEN THE DEPARTMENT IS AUTHORIZED TO USE THOSE FUNDS, THEY USE THAT ACCOUNTING. AND THEN IT GOES BACK INTO THE, THE BASE OF THE, OF THE BUDGET. SO THERE'S A WAY THAT WE DID THAT DESIGNATION WE DID FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE WE STARTED DOING THAT. SO SO IT STARTS US OUT NEXT YEAR AT $119,000 TOWARDS FIRE PERSONNEL. IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. IT'S A IT'S A PERSON. CAN WE GET CHIEF NELSON TO COME UP? THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO. 
          YES. THIS IS THIS IS TODAY'S. I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU. HOW SOLID THE NUMBER IS ABOUT BUILDING THAT BUILDING. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IF IT CAME IN AT $405,000 OR SOMETHING, INSTEAD 
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OF IT'S GOING TO COME IN AT 1.5, 1.5. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ALWAYS A PORTION OF THE FACILITY, OKAY. MADE UP OF FOREGONE INITIALLY FOR THIS NON-DEPARTMENTAL, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WISHES TO DO, IMPACT FEES AND WILDLIFE FUNDS. 
          THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE UP THOSE THREE PIECES. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE UP THE STORAGE FACILITY AND FUNDING. SO WITH THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. OKAY. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IS THIS IS 83,000 OR SOMETHING SHORT OF THE 500,000? IS THAT THE NUMBER WE CAME UP WITH? THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK THE STORAGE FACILITY. WE WOULD FIND IT EITHER IN IMPACT OR AT LEAST IT MAKES SENSE. IT MAKES SENSE. I'M NOT AVERSE TO TAKING THE 500 EITHER. YEAH. RFP GOES OUT. 
          WE WERE GOING TO WAIT TILL WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE. WHAT HAPPENED AT THE END OF THIS MONTH AND IN SEPTEMBER, THE RFP FOR THAT FACILITY WAS GOING TO GO OUT FOR ACTUAL BID. YEAH. AND THE EARLIER YOU GO OUT, THE GREATER THE LIKELIHOOD YOU'LL GET THE BETTER RATES THAN IF YOU'RE WAITING UNTIL THE END OF THE CONSTRUCTION SEASON. SO WE'LL GET A PRETTY GOOD ESTIMATE PROCESS. NOW REMEMBER, TOO, THAT THE 50,000 THAT IS SHOWN AS BEING MONEY THAT WOULD BE COMING IN, THAT IS AN ESTIMATE BASED ON AN ESTIMATE BASED ON AN ESTIMATE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM. THERE ARE A LOT OF ESTIMATES INVOLVED. ONE IS HOW MUCH WE THINK THAT THE. 
          SHOOTING RANGE IS GOING TO COST. AND GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF SINCE WE PUT THAT OUT TO BID, THOSE NUMBERS ARE STALE. AND SO HOWEVER THEY REQUEST UP IS AN ESTIMATE. THEN THERE IS THE ESTIMATION OF WHAT OUR ARBITRAGE FEES ARE GOING TO BE. AND THEN THERE IS THE IDEA THAT 50,000 IS LEFT OVER. WE COULD BE DISAPPOINTED OR DELIGHTED BY SOMETHING ABOVE OR BELOW THAT 50. BUT JUST JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THAT NON DEPARTMENTAL GENERAL FUND MONEY GO TO FIRE. YES. THAT THAT WOULD BE WHATEVER THAT IS WHATEVER THAT INSTEAD OF THE 500,000 INSTEAD OF THE 500,001 TIME 1%. WE STILL HAVE ONGOING 1%. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATIONS ALL OF YOU ARE HAVING WITH THE PUBLIC. BUT THERE ARE TWO THINGS I KNOW. ONE IS THAT WHEN WHEN SENSITIVITY IS SHOWN TOWARD THE OVERALL TAX BURDEN, WHICH COUNCILOR COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTONSHAW DID MENTION OTHER TAXING ENTITIES AND THEIR THEIR INTENT AND TRYING TO BLEND OURS WITH ALL OF THAT OTHER INTENT. THAT SHOWS SOME SENSITIVITY. AND I THINK FOLKS APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING IS THE IDEA OF LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE THAT'S UNDESIGNATED BASIC. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S WITH ONE HAND, LEFT HAND ON THE RIGHT HAND GOES AND SAYS, WE WANT MORE MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC. IF THERE'S A DISCONNECT THERE, THAT LEAVES YOU OPEN TO SOME CRITICISM, THAT WOULD BE VERY AND A CHARACTERIZATION THAT THERE IS JUST A, YOU KNOW, MONEY MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TAX DOLLARS ARE POOR KIND OF A CHARACTERIZATION THAT COULD BE HARD TO SHAKE FOR A FEW YEARS IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THAT DISCUSSION HAPPENS. SO EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SHOULD BE DESIGNATED IF YOU WANT TO FORESTALL THAT KIND OF IMPRESSION AND THAT KIND OF CRITICISM. AND IT WILL COME IN A TAX YEAR BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL SPEND HOURS TRYING TO SEE WHAT'S BEING DONE. SO THAT'S THE END OF MY WISDOM. I KNOW I'M THE ONE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THAT 1%, AND I DID IT BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF IT TO FIRE AND TO PROTECT THE EQUIPMENT LONG TERM, AS WELL AS ACCESS TO ALL THE VEHICLES THAT ARE IN STATIONS NOW. SO THIS GETS US TO THE SAME POINT ALMOST, ALMOST, ALMOST. AND FIRE OVER PORT THERE. ENOUGH FIRE POWER OVER PORT THERE FLOOR. SO IT MIGHT BE HEAVY ENOUGH FOR A ENGINE. WHAT IF WE TOOK THE ONE TIME FOREGONE, NOT THE 500,000? WHAT IF WE TOOK 100,000 OF IT? AND THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MAKE THIS. YEAH. THE DIFFERENCE THAT MADE THIS WHOLE MADE THIS 500,000 THAT GOES TOWARDS THE STORAGE BUILDING COMPLETE. YOU STILL TOOK SOME ONE TIME, BUT YOU ONLY TOOK 100,000 INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF 500. YEAH. IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT IF THE CHIEF COULD MAKE THIS WORK, I'M A YES IF FOR THE 404, I'M A YES ON THE BUDGET, BUT NOT ON THE ONE TIME. I THINK. JUST WAITING FOR THE ADDITIONAL IMPACT FEES OR 
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$1 MILLION TO ACTUALLY MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE TO THE TAXPAYER, AND IT WILL STILL GET THE FACILITY BUILT. OKAY. DID YOU WITHOUT THE 100,000 SPREADSHEET ON IMPACT TO TAXPAYERS OR THE ESTIMATED ZERO BY TAXPAYER CATEGORY FOR ME, FOR ME, FOR THE FOR THE FOR TO TAKE EVERYTHING THAT'S LEFT AND PUT IT INTO THIS. WE DON'T TAKE ANY WOULDN'T TAKE ANY ONE TIME. ONE TIME. CORRECT. OKAY. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHERE DOES THIS PUT US INTO THE IN RELATION TO THE NOT TO. EXCEED NUMBER. IS THERE STILL SOME SOME DOLLARS OR ARE WE THERE. IT'S ALL ALL OF THIS IS INCLUDED IN THAT. WE'RE NOT TO EXCEED IS THE 500,000 WAS IN THAT NOT SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF IS ARE NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER IN CONTINGENCY. WE HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE AIRPORT MONEY AND THE NOT TO EXCEED JUST IN CASE WE GET 100. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE DOES THAT DOES IT LEAVE IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT? I COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. OKAY. I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT WORK BUT I'M IN. YEAH FOR SURE. 
          BUT YOU SAID TWO THINGS. ABOUT KIND OF DELAYING STATION SIX. NO, THAT THAT'S A THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE THAT, THAT IF WE NEEDED STORAGE. BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF TO WORK OUT. BUT THAT WAS JUST AN IDEA. IF, IF WE COULDN'T GET THIS BUILT OKAY. AND THIS IS COMING SOON AND WE HAVE ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT AND WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TO STAFF IT YET ANYWAY, MAYBE WE JUST PUT A PAUSE ON THAT AND USE THIS FOR STORAGE WHILE WE'RE BUILDING STORAGE. AND WHILE WE'RE BUILDING THE FUNDS AVAILABLE, ACTUALLY STAFF LIKE AT FULL CAPACITY, NOT AT HALF CAPACITY. SO THE 119 IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS NOW WE HAVE 119 FOR NEXT YEAR. THAT'S A START. I'M GOOD. YEP. GOOD IDEA. 
          OKAY. SO PULLS THE 500,000 OUT OF THE BUDGET. BROOKS JUST DID HER MAGIC ON THE IMPACT. I HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING YET. THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE WHERE THE IF WE DON'T TAKE FOREGONE HEARS OR IF WE DON'T TAKE THE CAPITAL FOREGONE, THESE ARE THE AMOUNTS IMPACTED. 
          THE ITEM BELOW IS IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT HALF A MILLION FOREGONE. COMPARING LINE. CALL SOME OF THIS OUT LINE 31 TO LINE 56. RIGHT. THE COMPARISON. YEP. SO FOR A HOME THAT'S AT 385,000, THAT'S A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT $15 ANNUALLY, A LITTLE OVER A DOLLAR PER MONTH FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. LET ME SCROLL OVER. IF YOU'RE LOOKING HERE. BUSINESS OF 2 MILLION. IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE CAPITAL FOREGONE, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL ABOUT $70 A YEAR. AND 13 A MONTH. I JUST KNOW TRYING TO PASS THIS BILL ON AT $4.30 A MONTH IS WHAT IT DIDN'T PASS. 
          IT WON'T PASS. YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S SO IT'S SO MINOR. BUT IT IT'S A IT'S AN INCREASE. AND SO PERCEPTION IS REALITY. IT IS. THE GOAL IS TO GET THAT STORAGE BUILDING. YES. YES. SO IF THIS GETS GIVEN US A WAY TO GET IT. YEAH. AND AS THESE ARE THE EXACT NUMBERS THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THURSDAY AS WELL. SO THERE'S CONSISTENCY WITH THOSE NUMBERS. 
          THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE TOO IN THIS. THIS ALSO REFLECTS A TEN OR A 20% INCREASE IN. THE ASSESSED VALUE BECAUSE WE'VE MOVED BACK TO COMMERCIAL. SO THAT IS AS IF IT WAS CURRENTLY THERE. SO YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO ADD THE FACT THAT COMMERCIAL IS ALSO GETTING A 10 TO 20% INCREASE IN THEIR VALUATION, IN THEIR VALUATION. SO YES, IT SOUNDS MINOR FOR EVALUATIONS ARE FLAT. HERE'S WHAT IT IS. BUT WITH VALUATIONS NOT BEING FLAT, THERE IS A SHIFT TOWARDS COMMERCIAL. TOWARDS COMMERCIAL. YEAH. BUT THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN'T TAKE JUST IN ONE YEAR. BECAUSE IN THE PAST YEARS IT'S BEEN THE REVERSE IN RESIDENTIAL IT UP. 
          YES. AND SO YOU JUST HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF ALL OF IT. BUT THAT'S WHY THE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE TABLE, ALL OF THAT, I JUST THINK THE 404 SHOULD GO TO FIRE. SO THERE WILL BE FOUR VOTES. REGARDLESS OF THE CONVERSATION HERE, THERE WILL BE FOUR VOTES ON THURSDAY. 
          FIRST VOTE WILL BE FOR FEES. AND I THINK THAT MY SENSE IS THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY PASS BY SOME OF THE DIALOG IN HERE. THE SECOND VOTE WOULD BE FOR THE 3% FOREGONE OR EXCUSE ME, THE ONE 
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1%, THE FOUR GUN GOING FORWARD OF FOREGONE. THAT'S ONGOING. YEAH. AND SO WE'RE DRAWING THAT DRAWING DOWN OUR FOREGONE. AND THEN THE THIRD VOTE WILL BE FOR THE CAPITAL 1%. THAT IS NOT. 
          ONGOING. IT'S ONE TIME. AND IF I UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION CORRECTLY, COUNCILOR BURTONSHAW, OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTONSHAW, SAID SHE'S ALREADY A NO VOTE ON THAT. BUT OTHERS OF YOU HAVE DETERMINED THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF PUTTING SOME DOLLARS TOWARD THE FIRE. STORAGE BUILDING, STORAGE BUILDING. AND AFTER THIS MEETING, BROOKS, BASED ON THE CONSENSUS, I'M HEARING, BROOKS WILL ALLOCATE THE UNALLOCATED DOLLAR TO GO TOWARD THAT PROJECT TO THE TUNE OF SLIGHTLY OVER, JUST OVER, WHAT, 404 OR SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS? AND THEN THE FOURTH VOTE. SO THAT MEANS EVERYBODY WOULD BE VOTING NO ON THAT ONE. AND THEN THE FOURTH VOTE WOULD BE FOR THE BUDGET. THEN, AS PRESENTED WITH THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT LESS THE 500,000 THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING ANYMORE. IF YOU VOTE NO ON THE THIRD VOTE. SO THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I'M HEARING. IF YOU STILL WANT TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT STUFF OR IF YOU WANT TO SAY NO, YOU HEARD ME ALL WRONG, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I AM IN MY UNDERSTANDING. YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT IT. PERFECT. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE SAVING THE TAXPAYERS SOME MONEY. WE'RE ABOUT 95, $96,000 SHORT. BUT WE THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS, WITH GOOD LUCK, THAT THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE. OKAY. OKAY. SO IN THE SO THE ANALYSIS WOULD TAKE THE 3% STATUTORY, WE TAKE THE ONGOING FOREGONE 1%. SHARE AND GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. OKAY OKAY. SO CAN I JUST CLARIFY. IF WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO TAKE THAT CAPITAL FOREGONE, THAT'S ITS OWN VOTE. YOU'RE WANTING US TO PRESENT THE BUDGET NUMBERS WITHOUT THAT CAPITAL FOREGONE IN THERE. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN THIS UNALLOCATED MONEY IS ALREADY IN THERE. BUT IT WILL BE ALLOCATED. CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. IS ANYBODY WANTING TO RAISE ANYTHING ELSE WHERE THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION OR A CONCERN ABOUT THE BUDGET, THAT YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN AND CLEAR AND AS YOU WANT IT TO BE? ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT HEARING IT. SO MAYBE WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. SO WITH THAT THANK YOU PAM. AND THANK YOU BROOKS. THANK YOU ROBERT. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR BEING HERE AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S IN HERE. AND THANK YOU. BUT. AREN'T YOU LUCKY WHEN YOU COME INTO THE HOT SEAT? SO THEN WE MOVE ON. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO RECEIVE MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT, I'M READY. I'M SORRY. NO, NO, NO. SPACE IT OUT. BUT 
          [Mayor, City Council ]
STILL THINK OF MONEY. I MOVE. COUNCIL RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AUGUST 13TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE LAND USE PLANNING ACT. BEFORE I SECOND THAT, REMIND ME ONE MORE TIME, WHY DO WE GIVE THE DATE OF THE MINUTES AS OPPOSED TO THE DATE OF THE ACTUAL MEETING THAT WAS HELD? OH, IT SHOULD BE THE DATE OF THE ACTUAL MEETING. I THINK THE MEETING WAS AUGUST 5TH. OKAY. RIGHT. IS THE 13TH RELEVANT TO. YEAH. THE DATE. THE DATE OF THE MINUTES. THE MINUTES WERE. NO, IT'S AUGUST 5TH. OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKE WE IN THE PAST I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO. OKAY, I JUST MISSED IT. I JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY I THOUGHT THERE WAS A REASON THAT WE DID IT. BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT HAPPENED BEFORE. THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, THERE'S A REASON, BUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I TRIED TO READ THE DATE OF THE MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST ACCEPTING EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE. WE ACCEPT IT FOR THAT ONE MEETING. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO SECOND I'LL SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCIL PRESIDENT. CITY CLERK. WILL YOU CONDUCT A VOTE ON THAT? YES. AND I WILL UPDATE THE MINUTES TO REFLECT THE FIFTH VERSUS THE 13TH. THANK YOU. FRANCIS A FREEMAN. YES. 
          DINGMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. BURTONSHAW. YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE NEXT ITEM IS JUST A SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, NOT DISCUSSIONS, BUT THINGS THAT WE MAY WANT TO DISCUSS. AND COUNCIL BEING GONE. IT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER TO GET THINGS DOWN TO THE END OF THIS ROW. SO THERE'S THAT. AND THEN I'VE GOT JUST FOR COUNCIL. AND IF YOU COULD TAKE THESE AND THEN PASS ONE TO CITY CLERK. AND THEN I HAVE ONE HERE FOR THE ATTORNEYS AND ONE FOR MARGARET, I'LL LET YOU GUYS HAVE ONE DOWN THERE. THANK YOU I HAVE ONE. THANK YOU. 
          I'VE GOT THIS ONE HERE. AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH ONLY I ONLY MADE IT UP FOR COUNCIL, SO. AND 
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I'LL REFERENCE IT IN JUST A MOMENT. SO THERE'S THAT AND THEN I HAVE THESE WHICH ARE WERE INTENDED TO BE BACK TO BACK. BUT THEY, I COULDN'T FIT THEM INTO THE SAME DOCUMENT BECAUSE SOMEBODY PUT A HEADER ON IT. I COULDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO, TO CHANGE ALL OF THAT. AND SO I ENDED UP NOT BEING ABLE TO KNOW HOW TO PUT THINGS IN THE PRINTER. WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO PRINT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF SOMETHING. ANYWAY, IT TOOK ME TOO MUCH TIME AND I ENDED UP JUST SAYING, FORGET IT, I'M GOING TO DO TWO PAGES, SO THAT'S WHAT I DID. SO I'LL TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE AS WE GO HERE. GIVE ME A MOMENT. SORRY, MICHELLE. CAN I GET THESE GOING DOWN THE ROW? I'LL BE TWO MORE IN A MOMENT AND THEN I'LL BE BACK. THANKS. PASS. 
          WHO DID YOU JUST GIVE SOMETHING TO? ROSE. OH, THAT WAS OKAY, I DIDN'T REALLY. I'M LOOKING FOR SISTER CITIES. OH. ALL RIGHT. IN THE PAST, THESE TWO DON'T DON'T FEEL LEFT OUT. DON'T WORRY, WE WILL. THANK YOU. COLLATED. ALL RIGHT, SO HERE WE GO. SEVERAL THINGS TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION. COUNCIL. AND I DIDN'T SAY I DIDN'T SAVE A COPY OF THE CALENDAR FOR MYSELF. I HAVE NO TIMELINE TO BOTTOM RIGHT. WHERE? WHERE THERE'S RED INK RIGHT HERE. I'VE GOT IT HERE. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. SORRY, EVERYBODY. I WOULD CALL IT ALL THAT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE STARTED OUR OUR MEETING 15 MINUTES LATER BY THEN. ALL THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. FIRST THING. THURSDAY NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING HAS VERY SMALL AGENDA. 
          THOSE FOUR ITEMS THAT WE JUST REVIEWED THAT WERE RELATED TO BUDGET, EVERYTHING ELSE IS CONSENT. SO IT'S A FAIRLY QUICK MEETING. TWO, THERE'S A NOTE THERE ABOUT RECIPROCITY. I THOUGHT THIS WAS VERY INTERESTING IN TERMS OF OUR THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AS WE ADVERTISE THE OPENING FOR A CITY ATTORNEY. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAS ARISEN A COUPLE OF TIMES IS, WELL, WHAT IF WE KNOW SOMEBODY FROM OUT OF STATE WHO WANTS TO APPLY? AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MIKE KIRKHAM, DID LOOK THIS UP BECAUSE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT STATES ARE IN THAT COMPACT OR WHATEVER WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL THEY'LL RECOGNIZE THE BARN FOR SOME OTHER STATE. AND HE WENT TO LOOK IT UP. AND THEN HE SAID, I'LL GET BACK TO YOU BECAUSE IT WASN'T COMING UP QUICKLY. AND THE REASON WAS THAT THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE, BEEN A CHANGE IN HOW YOU CAN QUALIFY TO PRACTICE IN THE STATE OF IDAHO. AND SO HERE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT HE FOUND. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. AND I THOUGHT SOME OF YOU MIGHT FIND IT INTERESTING. THE THIRD THING EMPLOYEE OPEN ENROLLMENT IS STILL GOING ON. AND SO IF YOU HAVE ELECTIONS TO MAKE, PLEASE GET THOSE MADE. THINGS DON'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY NOT EVERYTHING AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUES. SO IF YOU I THINK IT'S WHAT IS IT. IT'S YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO. SAY JUST SAY YES IS THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE TO READ UP ON THAT ONE. SO THEN WILDLANDS, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE EIGHT FIREFIGHTERS NOW TWO ARE IN ON AN AMBULANCE CREW IN WYOMING AND SIX ARE IN CALIFORNIA AT TWO DIFFERENT FIRES. AND I THINK IT'S THREE THREE OF THOSE. SO IT IS WILDFIRE SEASON. AND. 
          NEXT THING I DID GIVE YOU A HANDOUT. WE HAVE SOME FUNDRAISERS COMING UP. THE FIRST ONE I DIDN'T GIVE YOU INFORMATION ABOUT IT SOONER BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FIRST. THE FIRST INFORMATION I HAD ON THAT WAS DIDN'T HAVE A DATE. AND THEN WHEN I FINALLY TALKED TO SOMEBODY, THEY GUESSED THAT IT WAS PROBABLY ON THE 11TH. AND WE HAPPENED TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING ON THE SEPTEMBER 11TH. AND SO I WAS FEELING PRETTY BAD. I WAS GOING TO COME TO YOU GUYS IN THIS MEETING AND SAY, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE OUR SEPTEMBER 11TH COUNCIL MEETING SO THAT THERE CAN BE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COMMEMORATE NINE OVER 11? AND THEN I LEARNED FROM CHIEF TODAY THAT THE HEROES DEFENSE NINE OVER 11 TRIBUTE, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY ONE THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN OUR AREA IN RECENT YEARS, LEARNED THAT THEY ARE ON THE SIXTH, IN FACT. AND SO THE CHIEF MAY BE AWARE OF OPEN SEATS AT TABLES THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO PURCHASE A TABLE OR SEATS AT A TABLE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, LET ME KNOW TODAY AND I WILL GET BACK TO CHIEF AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND OUT. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING. OF COURSE, EVEN IF WE DO END UP, YOU DO END UP SITTING AT A TABLE THAT WHERE THERE'S ALREADY SOMEBODY HAS CONTRIBUTED AND PAID FOR THAT. THERE STILL IS A IT'S STILL 
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APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE FUND. THE FUND TYPICALLY WILL HELP ME, JIM, WITH THIS ONE, BUT I THINK IT TYPICALLY WILL SUPPORT SCHOLARSHIPS FOR FAMILIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN WHO WERE LEFT WITHOUT A PARENT AFTER NINE OVER 11 ITSELF. THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER, I THINK, FIREFIGHTER NEEDS THAT ARE MET THROUGH THAT FUND, THROUGH THE FUNDS THAT ARE RAISED. THE NEXT THING IS THE POLICEMAN'S BALL. IT'S ANOTHER CHARITABLE CHARITY EVENT THAT RAISES MONEY FOR LOCAL NEEDS. WITH THE RIGHT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT CENTER AS WELL AS FOR RALLY. I'VE FORGOTTEN ALL OF A SUDDEN MY MIND IS GOING BLANK. 
          HELP ME. WHAT ARE THE OTHER? IS IT FOR A VICTIMS ADVOCATE? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THOSE WHAT THE FUNDRAISERS WERE, BUT THERE ARE SOME GOOD CAUSES FOR THAT ONE. AND THAT IS ON THE 3RD OF OCTOBER. AND THEN FINALLY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER TOWER. MARGARET, I STARTED TO CALL IT COMMUNITY CELEBRATION, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY CALLING IT A TRIBUTE, CORRECT? I THINK WE'RE CALLING GOING TO CALL IT THE WATER TOWER BLOCK PARTY. OKAY. SORT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE STILL KIND OF PLAYING A LITTLE BIT ON DIFFERENT NAMES, BUT WE HAVE CALLED IT THE WATER TOWER TRIBUTE THROUGHOUT OUR EVENTS OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. BUT I THINK FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING, WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE OF A SORT OF A WATER TOWER. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE A DATE PINNED DOWN, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO THROW OUT TO THE COUNCIL AND MAYBE YOU COULD TURN ON YOUR MIC TO AND JUST KIND OF GIVE THE COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW ON WHAT DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING? YES. I WANT TO GIVE ALL THE CREDIT TO KIMBERLY FELKER, OUR NEW PIO. SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB PULLING THIS EVENT TOGETHER. BUT WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE FARMERS MARKET. SO WE'RE DOING THIS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE FARMERS MARKET. 
          THEY'VE SENT OUT KIND OF A QUERY OF INTEREST, AND I THINK WE HAVE AT LAST COUNT, ABOUT 70 VENDORS THAT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING. SO THEY'RE ASKING THEM TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A WATER TOWER THEMED ITEM OR IDAHO FALLS THEMED ITEMS. SO WE'RE KIND OF PULLING THAT TOGETHER. AND THEN WE DO. WE ARE WORKING ON KIND OF A SPECIAL END TO THE EVENT. 
          SO WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT MUSIC AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO THERE'S THERE'S STILL QUITE A FEW PIECES THAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF PULLING TOGETHER, BUT WE'VE GOT THE DATE NAILED DOWN LOOKING AT 5 TO 9:00 WITH KIND OF THOSE FINAL COMMENTS AND SORT OF THE BIG SURPRISE AT AT NINE. SO IT SHOULD BE A REALLY FUN EVENT. AS I SAID, WE'VE HAD GREAT PARTICIPATION FROM FARMERS MARKET. WE'RE ALSO REACHING OUT TO SOME CITY DEPARTMENTS. SO WE SHOULD HAVE A COUPLE OF TABLES. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BRING IN, WE HOPE TO BRING IN THE IDAHO FALLS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT HAVE PARTNERED WITH US ON DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. SO THAT WILL BE A GOOD CELEBRATION. AND UNLESS YOU'RE IN THE HOSPITAL, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY TRY TO BE THERE. THAT WAS ANOTHER JOKE. MAYBE IT WAS A POOR TASTE. MY JOKES DON'T ALWAYS LAND WITH A THUD. QUIET ME. ALL RIGHT, NEXT THING TO POINT OUT, I GAVE YOU THOSE TWO PAGES ON THE SISTER CITY DELEGATION VISIT. SO THE FIRST ONE GIVES YOU A BROAD OVERVIEW OF THE NINE DAYS THAT THEY'RE HERE. THEY ARRIVE ON THE 10TH. THEY DEPART ON THE 19TH. YOU'LL SEE IT'S A REALLY SHORT ARRIVAL. 
          THEY GO STRAIGHT PRETTY MUCH TO THEIR HOTEL ON THE 19TH. IT'S GET UP EARLY AND GET TO THE AIRPORT BY 6 OR 7 A.M. SO I PUT IN TO BLUE THOSE EVENTS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ATTEND. AND SO WHAT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO DO IS TO GIVE ME, IDEALLY BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS ROOM, AN IDEA OF WHICH OF THOSE YOU CAN ATTEND. AND THEN I WILL GATHER THAT INFORMATION AND TAKE IT TO THE SISTER CITIES MEETING TONIGHT. THE OTHER THING IS THE NEXT PAGE IS A COMPILATION OF MANY OF THE THINGS THAT CATHERINE AND THE SISTER CITIES ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAVE WORKED ON TO HELP HIGHLIGHT FOR SISTER CITIES CITY DAY, WHICH IS FRIDAY THE 12TH. AND SO AS YOU'LL SEE, WE'LL BE MEETING OVER. THEY'LL ARRIVE, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR LUGGAGE WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK TO THEIR HOTEL. ONCE THEY'RE DONE WITH US THAT DAY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO HOST FAMILIES FOR THE WEEKEND. SO THEY'LL ARRIVE. WE'LL HAVE PHOTOS TAKEN, NOT WITH SUITCASES. AND THEN WE'LL GET OVER HERE, MAKE SURE SUITCASES ARE STASHED IN A SAFE PLACE. SECURE PLACE, I SHOULD SAY. WE'LL HAVE A LIGHT BREAKFAST IN HERE, AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH THEM, SHARING WITH THEM OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND SOME OF THE GOVERNANCE ISSUES. AND I GUESS, DISCUSSIONS AND THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO AND GIVE THEM A TASTE OF WHAT IDAHO FALLS IS DEALING WITH WHEN IT COMES TO 
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GOVERNANCE. THEY DID SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR US WHEN WE WERE THERE. WE HAD ASKED FOR IT. WE HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, TELL US ABOUT YOUR CITY. TELL YOU, TELL US HOW YOU MANAGE THINGS. THEN WE WENT ON TO BUILD A AN AGENDA FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. THAT INCLUDES GIVING THEM A TASTE OF WHAT WASTEWATER THE AIRPORT, SOME OF THE OTHER CITY FUNCTIONS. WE HOPE TO DO A DRIVE BY OF THE PEAKING PLANT. GETTING OUT NOW WOULD REQUIRE HARD HATS AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          IT'S JUST A LITTLE TOO TOO MUCH. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO A DRIVE BY. WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES. THE TREE PLANTING I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIRED, BUT IT SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM WILL HAVE ON APPROPRIATE SHOES FOR DIGGING. SO WE'LL HAVE TO SORT OF PLAY WITH THAT. BUT I'M ALSO FINDING, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THAT THE SECTION OF ROSE HILL THAT'S DEDICATED TO A GREAT MANY JAPANESE. AMERICAN GRAVES IS THAT THE HISTORY ON THAT IS JUST LOST OR IT'S BEING LOST. AND I'M FINDING THAT AT THIS POINT IT MAY BE DOWN TO 1 OR 2 PEOPLE WITH RECOLLECTION WHO ARE AGING AND AGING QUICKLY. AND SO I'D LIKE TO, AT THE VERY LEAST, GET SOME OF THEIR THOUGHTS GATHERED. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE THE IMPETUS FOR ME TO GET IT DONE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE SOME PEOPLE CLEAN THE HOUSE WHEN COMPANIES COMING. 
          WELL, IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT NOT CLEANING THE HOUSE, BUT WE'VE GOT COMPANY COMING. IT'S GIVING ME AN EXCUSE TO TO GET THAT INFORMATION RECORDED SOMEHOW. THERE'S ALSO I SPOKE TO THE FORMER CHAIR OF THE BONNEVILLE COUNTY HERITAGE ASSOCIATION, AND SHE DIRECTED ME TO THE MUSEUM WHERE SHE THINKS SOME OF THAT INFORMATION MAY BE RESIDING THERE. AND THEN THERE'S ONE OTHER PERSON THAT SHE REFERRED TO WHO IS AN ARCHITECT, WHO MAY ALSO HAVE SOME HISTORICAL BACKGROUND ON THINGS, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET I WANT TO GET THAT CAPTURED. SO I WAS THINKING, WE CAN TAKE THEM THERE. IT'S A VERY SHADY AND QUIET, ALMOST PENSIVE PLACE. 
          IF WE CAN SHARE WHATEVER LITTLE BIT I'M ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER. FIVE OR 5 OR 12, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND THEN WE'LL KEEP GOING. TAKE THEM ON OUT TO THE AIRPORT FOR THAT KIND OF A TOUR. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS. I KNOW CATHERINE HAD SEVERAL OTHER OPTIONS, AND I DID NOT COPY THOSE ONTO THIS YET BECAUSE I WAS WORKING KIND OF QUICKLY. BUT IF ANY OF THESE END UP NOT WORKING OUT FOR SOME REASON, THE OTHER THINGS WILL BE SCRIPTED, BUT OR PUT IN THERE. BUT THEY ALSO ARE WANTING TODAY, BY TODAY. THEY SAY THEY WANT ME TO HAVE SPEECHES WRITTEN. I HAVE NOT WRITTEN ANY SPEECHES YET. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE A LITTLE POINT OF CONCERN FOR THEM. BUT I JUST NOT READY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ANY OF THESE THINGS YET, BUT IT WILL HELP ME TO SORT OF KNOW WHEN AND WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PLACES. AND IF I LEARN TONIGHT AT THE MEETING THAT THERE ARE SPEECHES THAT ARE WANTED AT A MEETING THAT I'M NOT GOING TO, I'LL KNOW WHO TO TURN TO. SO LET ME KNOW BEFORE WE LEAVE TODAY WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. AND WITH THAT, I'M READY TO START GOING AROUND THE ROOM. 
          BUT I THANK YOU FOR FOR ALL OF THAT. AND SO WE'LL START WITH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. WE'LL JUST WORK OUR WAY AROUND. SURE. I JUST HAVE ACTUALLY. ONE ONE THING WITH WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS POWER POLICY. NUMBER ONE, WE WERE THINKING MAYBE IT WOULD COME FORWARD TODAY TO THIS WORK SESSION, BUT AND REALLY, IT'S ABOUT THE TIMING WITH MICHAEL AND HIS DEPARTURE. 
          AND SO WITHIN THIS WEEK, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS HAS BEGUN THE DRAFT POLICY FOR POLICY NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS TO GET THE EXHIBITS AND THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT BETWEEN PARKS AND POWER. SO EVEN THOUGH. MR. KIRKHAM IS LEAVING US, THAT IS PART OF OUR SCHEDULE TO GET THAT DONE THIS WEEK SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS POLICY GETS IN PLACE AND IT'LL BE READY TO GO AS A DRAFT POLICY FOR THE POWER BOARD MEETING. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. SO WE'RE PUTTING A WORKGROUP TOGETHER TO DRAFT SOMETHING. 
          NOW. I THINK IT'S JUST WITH, WITH WITH YOU AND, AND MICHAEL AND THE MAYOR AND THEN WHOEVER, WHETHER IT'S ME OR ONE OF THE POWER BOARD, NOT THE POWER BOARD, POWER LIAISONS TO TRY AND GET THAT DONE THIS WEEK. YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THIS WEEK SO THAT IT COULD COME TO THE POWER BOARD MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. I HAVE TAKEN A STAB AT YET. YEAH, WE DO HAVE. WE'VE GOT BEARS DRAFT AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT I HAVE NOT NEVER SEEN BEARS DRAFT. BEAR HAS A DRAFT. 
          YOU KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T I HAVEN'T SEEN IT EITHER, WHICH IS TERRIBLE TO SAY. BUT I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET I KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THAT. SO. OKAY. WELL I HAVE COUNCILOR 
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FRANCIS'S DRAFT AND THEN MY NOTES ON HIS DRAFT AND THEN A CLEAN VERSION HERE. AND I HAVE A COPY HERE FOR COUNCILOR FRANCIS WHO WROTE IT. MR. GORMAN, MISS BURTENSHAW AND FOR LEGAL. YEAH. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BEAR HAD A DRAFT FOR THAT MEETING ON THAT DAY, BUT THAT. BUT THAT IT WAS NOT. WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IT ON THE ON THE MEETING ON OUR LAST POWER AGENDA. WAS IT AT THE BACK OF THE PACKET BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA? NO, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T. YEAH. OKAY. SO SO WE'RE JUST ANYWAY SO NOW WE JUST SO NOW WE HAVE THAT DRAFT AND I THINK JOSH KIND OF WORKED ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER LEGAL HAS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT DRAFT. SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO TRY AND GET DONE NOW JUST YEAH. 
          YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO GET IT DONE THIS WEEK. RIGHT. AND THE OLD POLICY DOESN'T EXPIRE UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST. SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING READY TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE OLD POLICY. OKAY, OKAY. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT YOU HAVE AN IDAHO IDAHO IDAHO WORK MEETING ON WEDNESDAY AND I DON'T HAVE THAT IN MY CALENDAR. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I USED THE CALENDAR FROM LAST TIME AND DIDN'T EDIT IT, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          I HAVE A MEETING WITH REMEMBERING TO EDIT THAT OUT. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING WEDNESDAY. DO YOU NOT HAVE A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO AGENDA. THERE'S NO. YEAH. OKAY. THAT I DO HAVE TWO THINGS. MIKE. WANT ME TO GO TWO THINGS FOR POLICE. THEY'RE DOING A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS. THE FIRST NEXT WEEK, ACTUALLY, NEXT WEDNESDAY AND SATURDAY. PIZZA WITH POLICE AT LUCY'S AT 5 P.M. ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, AND THEN BAGELS WITH THE BLUE AT TETON BAGELS. IT'S A IT'S A FOOD TRUCK AT SIX 81ST STREET AT 4 P.M. ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH. OKAY. WANT TO GO HAVE PIZZA WITH THEM OR GO HAVE A BAGEL WITH THEM AND TALK TO THE POLICE? THEY'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME. OKAY, OKAY. AS MARY MENTIONED, IT IS OPEN ENROLLMENT AUGUST 11TH THROUGH SEPTEMBER 12TH. SO MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THAT OUT. THEY ALSO SENT OUT SOME LINKS THAT SHOWED ALL THE DIFFERENCES IN COVERAGE. 
          AND AND SO HEATHER'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB COMMUNICATING WITH THE WHOLE CITY ABOUT THAT. HER FINGERS MUST HURT FROM THE TYPING BECAUSE SHE IS ON TOP OF IT, MAN. SHE'S MAKING SURE OUR CITY EMPLOYEES KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THIS YEAR, SO SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT SINCE I'M RUNNING UNOPPOSED, I'LL BE REELECTED TO THE TAX ADVISORY COMMISSION. SO THAT'S PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR RTD NEXT THURSDAY. SO I'LL BE IN BOISE FOR THE PUBLIC. TRANSIT SUMMIT, AND WE'LL START A THREE YEAR TERM REPRESENTING DISTRICT SIX. THANK YOU. BECAUSE YOU HAD FALLEN OFF, NOT GONE TO A MEETING AND NOW YOU'RE COMING BACK IN. I JUST CHOSE NOT TO RUN AGAIN. AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE RUN. AND I REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID, HEY, THEY REALLY LOVE YOU TO RUN AGAIN. AND. WE FIXED IT, OPENED IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE STATE. AND I APPLIED AND THE ONLY CANDIDATE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY VALUE YOUR EXPERTISE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL. FRANCIS, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. BUT ISN'T THE VIRGINIA TRANSPORT TOUR ON THE NINTH? YES. I'M SORRY I CORRECTED THAT ON WHAT I EMAILED TO YOU, BUT I PRINTED THESE ALREADY AND I DIDN'T WANT TO REPRINT THEM. IT IS THE NINTH, NOT THE 22ND. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING OTHER THAN I'M SORRY. THE 15 CALENDAR IN THE RIGHT PLACE. YEAH, IT WAS IN THE RIGHT PLACE. IT JUST SOMEHOW WRONG NUMBER. 
          THERE'S OTHER ORDER, ISN'T IT? OKAY. SORRY. THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS. I MEANT TO TELL YOU THAT. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. COUNCIL. SO. ANYTHING. JUST THAT THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON SOME PROJECTS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE CHALLENGED THEM WITH, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ANY MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT, BUT THEY'RE HAVING GOOD RESULTS. SO THINGS ARE WORKING ON IT. YEAH. AND IT'S SUCCESSFUL WEEKEND. YEAH. WELL SAID THAT A SUCCESSFUL WEEKEND. GREAT. MORE LATER OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY NON-RELATED TO YOUR LIAISON RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE MOVE ON. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN 
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AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WILL NOT RECONVENE AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I 
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AM GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE, AFTER THE VOTE, TAKE A BREAK AND RECONVENE IN THE COUNSELOR CONFERENCE ROOM AT 45. IF NOT, WELL, MAYBE 47, 48, SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO STRETCH THEIR LEGS AND USE THE RESTROOM OR WHATEVER. AND WE'LL RECONVENE FOR THE TWO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE WELL, COUNSELOR. EXCUSE ME, MR. KIRKMAN. WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE LEGAL ONE FIRST OR SECOND? IF WE COULD PROBABLY LOSE AN ATTORNEY OR TWO IF YOU TOOK US FIRST. OKAY, MAYBE WE'LL DO THAT ONE, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE OTHER TOPICS. SO THERE WE GO. MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I NEW MOTION MAKER, NEW FACE I TAUGHT HIM EVERYTHING I KNOW. HE'S WAY TOO TIRED I MOVE COUNCIL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF IDAHO CODE SECTION 74-2061B TO CONSIDER THE EVALUATION, DISMISSAL OR DISCIPLINING, DISCIPLINING OF, OR COMPLAINTS OR CHARGES BROUGHT AGAINST A PUBLIC OFFICER, EMPLOYEE, STAFF MEMBER, OR INDIVIDUAL AGENT OR PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENT. AND IDAHO CODE 74 2061F TO COMMUNICATE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE PURPOSE FOR THE PUBLIC. PARDON ME FOR THE PUBLIC AGENCY TO DISCUSS THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF, AND LEGAL OPTIONS FOR PENDING LITIGATION OR CONTROVERSIES NOT YET BEING LITIGATED. THE EMINENTLY LIKELY TO BE LIMITED TO LITIGATED THE MERE PRESENCE OF LEGAL COUNSEL AT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION DOES NOT SATISFY THIS REQUIREMENT. SECOND, AND COUNSEL WILL NOT RECONVENE FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED. WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR EVERYONE TO VOTE. CITY CLERK, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL? FREEMAN. YES. BURTONSHAW. YES. DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS A LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. VERY GOOD. 
          THERE ARE TWO QUICK THINGS I FORGOT TO MENTION EARLIER. BEFORE WE ADJOURN OR BEFORE WE RECESS. FIRST ONE IS THAT WE ARE HALFWAY THROUGH THE FILING PERIOD, OR WE WERE AS OF FRIDAY. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONLY ONE PERSON WHO CAME IN TODAY. SO IF YOU WOULD FOLLOW ME, BUT WE HAVE TWO CANDIDATES FOR MAYOR. WE HAVE FIVE CANDIDATES FOR COUNCIL, SEAT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS CONSIDERED AN OPEN SEAT. WE HAVE TWO CANDIDATES FOR COUNCIL SEAT NUMBER FOUR AND TWO CANDIDATES FOR COUNCIL, FOR ONE CANDIDATE FOR COUNCIL SEAT NUMBER SIX. NUMBER SIX IS HELD BY CURRENTLY HELD BY JIM FREEMAN. NUMBER FOUR IS CURRENTLY HELD BY JIM FRANCIS, AND NUMBER TWO IS CURRENTLY HELD BY LISA. SO WE WILL. FRIDAY AT 5 P.M. IS WHEN THE THE CURTAIN SHUTS AND THE DRAMA OPENS AND THE DRAMA BEGINS OR WHATEVER. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE ARE MR. KIRKHAM'S LAST DAY. YOU'LL NOTE WE HAVE FOUR ATTORNEYS IN OUR MEETINGS. IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER HAD FOUR ATTORNEYS IN A MEETING. WE THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND KIND OF PAYING ATTENTION THIS TIME. BUT MR. PERKINS LAST DAY WILL BE THE FOURTH. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO COME AND WORK, BUT YOU'RE ON TIME. YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE EARLY THAT DAY, RIGHT? AND SO YOU DON'T LIKE IT. SO EVERYBODY IS MADLY TRYING TO GET THEIR TWO MINUTES WITH HIM BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. AND IF YOU ARE PERSONALLY WANTING A TOPIC I SUGGEST TO GET IN LINE PRETTY QUICK. OTHERWISE, I KNOW THE DIRECTORS ARE ALL COORDINATING THEIR ASKS, AND MIKE IS QUICKLY TRYING TO SAY YES AND JACOB WILL HELP YOU. 
          HEIDI WILL HELP YOU, ZACH WILL HELP YOU. SO THERE'S THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL SHOULD KNOW ABOUT LEGAL RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THREE REALLY GOOD ATTORNEYS THAT WORK WITH ME EVERY DAY. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T FEEL ANY BUMPS IN THE ROAD, BECAUSE I'M RUNNING OFF TO WEAR A BLACK DRESS. SO I REALLY AM PROUD OF THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE. ZACH AND JACOB AND HEIDI ARE REALLY EXCELLENT ATTORNEYS, AND THEY WILL GIVE YOU REALLY GOOD ADVICE, AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, THEY'LL TELL YOU, BUT THEY'LL FIND IT AND GIVE YOU GOOD ADVICE. SO PLEASE TRUST THEM AND LISTEN TO THEM. 
          THEY HAVE MY COMPLETE CONFIDENCE. GREAT. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE ON BREAK AND WE'LL SEE EACH OTHER IN THE OTHER
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