Aug 11, 2025 City Council Work Session

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

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ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE AUDIO. SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE SOFTER THAN IT IS SOMETIMES. ANYWAY, GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME TO THE IDAHO FALLS CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN THE ROOM OR WHO HAVE A BIRD'S EYE VIEW, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT COUNCILOR DINGMAN IS NOT IN HER SEAT. SHE HAD EARLIER REQUESTED A LINK SO THAT SHE COULD JOIN US VIRTUALLY. HAS SHE LOGGED IN? AND DO WE HAVE HER IN THE MEETING? WE DO. ALL RIGHT.

WELCOME, MICHELLE. SO I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND INVITE OUR CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL. PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD, PRESENT COUNCILOR.

DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. FREEMAN HERE, COUNCILOR. FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR. LARSON HERE. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. TERRIFIC. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET US STARTED.

[Mayor's Office, Municipal Services, Legal, Community Development Services]

IT ALSO ADDRESSES A CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED BY THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WITH THE FIRST ADOPTION, THAT WE JUST DIDN'T GIVE, THAT SOME PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED BY THE FEES WHEN THEY WENT INTO EFFECT. THIS WAY, WE WILL HAVE A NUMBER OF MONTHS TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL OUTREACH AND SHARE THE NEW FEE SCHEDULE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT STUDY, AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER PIECES.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD PRESENT TO COUNCIL FOR DISTRICT FOR DISCUSSION AND JUST ASK FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THAT ON THAT DATE. THE I OUTLINED THE ADVANTAGES. I THINK THE ONLY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ARE THAT IF WE DO WAIT, THERE IS A DELAY IN COLLECTING THOSE THOSE FEES. IN SOME CASES, THE NEW FEE STRUCTURE BY SQUARE FOOTAGE MIGHT BE A LITTLE LESS FOR SOME DEVELOPERS, SO SOME DEVELOPERS MIGHT BE CRITICAL THAT WE'RE WAITING A LITTLE LONGER TO IMPLEMENT THEM. BUT AGAIN, WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION SEASON, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE VERY MANY PROJECTS COME, COME ONLINE BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THOSE ARE, AS I SAID, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE PRESENT TO, TO COUNCIL. WE DO HAVE OUR CONSULTANT COLIN, ON THE LINE, I BELIEVE, AND THEN ALSO DIRECTOR ALEXANDER WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SHE'S AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL AS OUR DIRECTOR. AND THEN, OF COURSE, CITY ATTORNEY MIKE KIRKHAM OR AND HEIDI, CITY ATTORNEY HEIDI, IF WE'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM FROM COUNCIL SO WE CAN WRAP UP THAT, THAT FINAL POINT. AND THEN WE DO HAVE PLANS TO, TO BEGIN OUTREACH AND, AND

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WHAT OUR PLANS ARE, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THESE, BUT WE THE CDS THIS LAST WEEK LAUNCHED ITS NEW NEWSLETTER. WE INCLUDED SOME INFORMATION IN THE NEWSLETTER. THAT'S THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. WE WILL ALSO WE ARE MEETING WITH THE EAST IDAHO HOMEBUILDERS ASSOCIATION THIS WEEK, SO WE WILL PRESENT THEM WITH KIND OF AN UPDATE ON ON WHERE WE ARE. AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE WILL OUR PLAN IS TO POST THE DRAFT STUDY ON THE IMPACT FEE WEB PAGE SO PEOPLE CAN AND CAN GO TO THAT SITE AND REVIEW THAT AND LOOK AT WHAT THAT NEW STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THEN IT WILL GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING IN SEPTEMBER. SO WE'LL DO SOME ADDITIONAL OUTREACH IN SEPTEMBER AND THEN ALSO PUBLICIZE THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER. AND THEN ONCE THE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO OUTREACH AND FOCUS ON THE ROLE OF IMPACT FEES AS OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPS BETWEEN INTO THE INTO THE FALL AND INTO THE INTO THE NEW YEAR.

DIRECTOR ALEXANDER HAS DONE SOME WORK, AS YOU KNOW, WITH PUBLIC WORKS, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED WITH WITH IMPACT FEES. WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING MORE PROMOTION AND AWARENESS AROUND THOSE PROJECTS. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SORT OF CREATING SOME MATERIALS AND SORT OF BRANDING. SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS IMPACT FEES, MAKING AN IMPACT TO SORT OF ILLUSTRATE HOW THAT MONEY IS BEING SPENT AND HOW THAT IS SUPPORTING OUR COMMUNITY AS WE GROW. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A ROUGH OUTLINE, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR ANY OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN GET BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE, THE YEAR TO NOT ONLY SHOW PEOPLE WHERE THEY CAN GO AND GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE UPDATED ORDINANCE AND STUDY, BUT ALSO TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE ROLE OF IMPACT FEES IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? DID WE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ABOUT THE DATE FROM THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION? WE WILL MEET WITH THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION THIS WEEK, BUT THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAD ASKED FOR SORT OF A DELAYED IMPLEMENTATION. AND I DON'T KNOW IF DIRECTOR ALEXANDER WANTS TO KIND OF COMMENT TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO OUR CHIEF OF STAFF. WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN KEEPING THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AWARE OF ALL THESE WORK SESSION CONVERSATIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING. THEY'VE RECEIVED COPIES OF THE AGENDAS AS WELL AS THE DATES, AND THEY ALSO ARE REMINDED THAT THEY CAN EITHER WATCH THROUGH THE LIVE STREAM OR THEY CAN WATCH THE VIDEO WHEN IT BECOMES CONVENIENT FOR THEM. SO THEY HAVE BEEN KEPT IN THE LOOP ON THESE DATES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT THEY BOTH HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE IMPLEMENTATION. YEAH. AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF A TIMELINE. THEY HAVEN'T. THEY NEVER SPECIFICALLY SAID THE FIRST OF THE YEAR PER SE, BUT THEY DID WANT PLENTY OF NOTICE TO BE ABLE TO TRANSITION. AND SO COLLECTIVELY, I THINK WITH THE STAFF AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE FELT THAT THE CITY WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST TIME TO IMPLEMENT THAT, BASED ON WHAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH, AS FAR AS THE ADVANTAGES, JANUARY 1ST IS THE DATE THAT I SORT OF TEASED OUT WHEN I WAS IN THE ROOM WITH THE COMMITTEE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, BUT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT HASN'T MADE IT THROUGH TWO HEARINGS, IT DOESN'T HAVE. OR IS IT ONLY ONE HEARING? IS IT ABOUT IS PNC A HEARING? PNC IS JUST OKAY, SO IT HASN'T MADE IT THROUGH EITHER OF ITS HEARINGS. WE CAN ONLY CALL IT A TEN MINUTE SCHEDULE, BUT I THINK WE CAN EASILY SHARE THAT WITH THEM. THE DATES OF THE HEARINGS PROPOSED, THE HEARINGS WE INTEND TO HAVE AND THE SCHEDULE WE HOPE TO KEEP. AND THEN AFTER THE HEARINGS, WE'LL KNOW WE CAN BE FAR MORE COMMITTED TO IT. SO, MARGARET, I THINK THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS PLAN THAT YOU LAID OUT, THE NOTES THAT I TOOK, IT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT SHOWS SOME PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE THINKING, AND IT COMMITS US TO THE IDEA OF PUTTING ACTIVELY PUTTING OUT STORIES, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BEHIND ON, I THINK, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS,

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GREAT. WELL, COLIN, WE BROUGHT YOU ON, ON THE PHONE FOR NOTHING. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING A FEW MINUTES WITH US. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK, THOUGH. MICHELLE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE OR ADD? NOPE. I'M. I'M GOOD WITH THE PLAN. GREAT. AND, COLIN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IN YOUR LISTENING THAT YOU WANTED TO REFLECT ON OR SHARE? I GUESS NOT, COLIN. I CAN SEE YOUR MOUTH MOVING, BUT I CAN'T HEAR YOU. CLASSIC. HOW ABOUT THAT? THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO THANK. GIVE THANKS TO MARGARET AND WADE AND PAM AND EVERYONE IN ADVANCE FOR THEIR THEIR OUTREACH AND REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS TIMELINE.

VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU.

[Municipal Services, Mayor's Office]

BROOKE, BROOKE'S UP TO JOIN US, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR BUDGET. WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE TIE DOWN THE REMAINING LOOSE ENDS BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING. WE WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH CLARITY AS POSSIBLE AS TO WHAT WE MAY BE SEEKING. WHEN WE MEET IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC, WE MET THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT OF PUBLISHING THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET, BUT AND WE INCLUDED A FEW OF THE DOLLARS THAT HAVE YET TO BE ALLOCATED. WE INCLUDED THOSE IN THE BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN, LIKE I SAID, TIE DOWN THAT LOOSE END THAT DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE THOSE OR NOT. AND AS LONG AS WE DON'T GO ABOVE WHAT WE PUBLISHED, WE'RE FINE.

SO PAM, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU OF YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US. AND THEN LET THE CONVERSATION BEGIN. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. SO IF YOU REMEMBER THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY NUMBERS ARE WERE DUE THE FIRST MONDAY IN AUGUST. SO WE DID GET THOSE ON LAST MONDAY, AUGUST 4TH. BOTH BROOKS AND MARK HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK THEM THROUGH. MARK'S ACTUALLY OUT WITH HIS FAMILY. SO YOU GET BROOKS AND PAM. AND SO WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE IS WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PRELIMINARILY ON FRIDAY MORNING THIS PAST FRIDAY, AND MARK AND BROOKE SPENT SOME TIME TOGETHER.

SO I'M GOING TO HAVE BROOKS GO THROUGH ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS AND NUANCES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND I'M GOING TO JUMP IN AT ONE POINT, BUT I'M GOING TO LET HER TAKE IT FROM HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A HIGHLIGHT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH. AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAILS. SO AS PAM MENTIONED WE GOT UPDATED NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY THIS LAST MONDAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE UPDATED VALUATION. AND THEN THOSE AMOUNTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET. THE CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY TAX THAT'S AVAILABLE RELATED TO THE GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ESTIMATED IMPACT WHEN WE KNOW THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. NOW OF WHAT THAT WILL MEAN FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, FOR SOME SCENARIOS, RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL. AND THEN WE'LL GO OVER THE DETAILS OF THAT UNALLOCATED AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAXES AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. WE HAD JUST PUT IN NON-DEPARTMENTAL FOR NOW, BUT WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT SINCE WE HAVE MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE, SINCE THE NUMBERS AREN'T COMING BACK AS MUCH OF A CHANGE, I HAVE NOT MADE IT TO THE POINT OF TALKING ABOUT NON-DEPARTMENTAL, BUT THAT IS FROM WHAT I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL SAY IS THAT THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY PARKING PLACE. WE DON'T HAVE A FUND CALLED NON-DEPARTMENTAL THAT WE POPULATE WITH EXPENSES AND INCOME. NO, WE USE THE DEPARTMENT DIVISION FOR HOLDING ALL OF THOSE REVENUE SOURCES THAT AREN'T FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, THAT HAVE FULL DISCRETION. SO PROPERTY TAXES, STATE SHARED REVENUES. SO ANY OF THAT'S UNUSED, WE PARK IT THERE IN CONTINGENCY IF WE'RE NOT USING IT OR HAVE A SPECIFIC INTENTION FOR IT, LIKE GOING TO POLICE OR STREETS OR FIRE. SO IS THIS THE SAME FUNDS THAT MARK HAS BEEN CALLING CONTINGENCY FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS? IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE ALLOCATED CONTINGENCY FUNDS. SO ANY CONTINGENCY IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO A DEPARTMENT IS IN THAT NON-DEPARTMENTAL FUND OR I GUESS, PATENTLY OBJECT TO USING THAT NAME. PAM, BECAUSE WE HAVE EMERGED FROM THE ERA OF NOT BEING VERY TRANSPARENT WHEN WE HAD A NON-DEPARTMENTAL FUND THAT WAS CHOCK FULL OF THINGS THAT

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AND SO WE HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER 32 MILLION IN VALUATION THAT CAME IN WITH THE UPDATED NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY FROM JULY 22ND. THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE. YOU'LL SEE THAT FOR A TOTAL VALUATION OF 8.7 MILLION OR 8.7 BILLION. SORRY. AND THEN HISTORICALLY, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON OUR ANNEXATION AND CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S THE GROWTH RELATED PROPERTY TAXES. OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HAD ANYWHERE FROM 710,000 UP TO ALMOST A MILLION, AND WE'RE AT ABOUT 916,000 FOR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. SO THE 2024 GROWTH IS WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. AND THOSE AMOUNTS CHANGED A LITTLE OVER 8000 JUST BASED ON THE LEVY RATE ASSIGNED.

AND IF AND IF I MAY ADD JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT, I, I CALLED MY COLLEAGUES OVER AT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN OUR NEW ANNEXATION, IT'S A BIG JUMP BETWEEN 25 AND 40 5 TO 239. SO HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, WE HAD A VARIETY OF ANNEXATIONS. AND THERE WAS BOTH A COUPLE PROJECTS. IT WAS AN 80 ACRE AND A 60 ACRE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ANNEXED ALONG IONA ROAD. AND IF YOU RECALL, IT'S ALWAYS BEHIND. SO IF WE DID SOMETHING IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT RIGHT AWAY. RIGHT. NOVEMBER 2022. AND THEN ALSO IN 22 AND 23, WE HAD 169 ACRES FOR MIXED USE ALONG FIFTH EAST ACROSS FROM FAIRWAY ESTATES. SO THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT'S PART OF THAT NUMBER. WELL, YOU SAID THAT NUMBER JUMPED TO THE 239. AND THEN ALSO THERE WAS 118 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL NEAR FAIRWAY ESTATES, THE ROCKWOOD DEVELOPMENT. AND SO I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES OVER AT CDS FOR PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION VERY QUICKLY. BUT BUT THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLAVOR BEHIND THE SCENES OF WHY THAT NUMBER HAS JUMPED UP SO MUCH AND THE 2023 COLUMN. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO GOING INTO THE DETAIL OF ALL OF THE INCREASES TO OUR PROPERTY TAX THIS YEAR, WE STILL HAVE THE 3% STATUTORY ALLOWED A LITTLE OVER 1.4 MILLION. THE GROWTH RELATED TO ANNEXATIONS AND CONSTRUCTIONS HAVE GONE UP. BECAUSE THE LEVY RATE THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE COUNTY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD ESTIMATED, AND THAT IS ADDING ABOUT 8200 TO THAT GROWTH, ANNEXATION MONEY. THEN WE HAVE INCLUDED THE 1%

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SO AND THEN WE HAVE A TINY LITTLE CHANGE RELATED TO AG PROPERTY AND THE TERMINATING URBAN RENEWAL THAT CHANGES IT BY $259 FOR A TOTAL PROPERTY TAX INCREASE OF A LITTLE OVER 3.3 MILLION. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE CHANGES? AND WHAT WAS THE NUMBER WE SAW? THE 3.3 WAS GOING TO BE 3.2. THE CHANGE WAS ONLY 8400 LESS. OKAY. SO THIS LAST NUMBER, DID YOU SAY LESS? WHAT WE PRESENTED ON JULY 22ND WAS 8400 PLUS. OH. SO THE ESTIMATED FULL LEVY IS EXPECTED TO BE 51,000 $54,055. THAT'S INCLUDING BOTH OF THOSE TWO FOREGONE AMOUNTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE RESOLUTION. AND JUST A REMINDER, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS THURSDAY. THESE NUMBERS, AS FAR AS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE FEES AND THE FOREGONE AND THE BUDGET HAVE ALL BEEN PUBLISHED BY PUBLIC NOTICE TWO CONSECUTIVE SATURDAYS. THE FIRST WAS AUGUST 1ST, THE SECOND ONE WAS AUGUST 9TH, SECOND, SECOND AND THEN AUGUST 9TH. PARDON ME. AND SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT PUBLIC NOTICE AS WELL. AS OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE TO BE LEVIED LAST YEAR. SO 40 THAT'S THE. SACK HERE. THE 47 681. OKAY. THAT WAS LAST YEAR'S. OKAY. SO THIS NEXT SHEET HAS HOW WE HAVE ALLOCATED THAT PROPERTY TAX OF THE 51 MILLION.

THE CHANGES ARE IN GREEN. SO WE INCREASED STREETS BY ABOUT 13,000 FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED ON JULY 2ND. THAT'S THEIR PORTION OF THE NEW POSITION THAT'S BEING ADDED IN GIS. SO IT'S ABOUT 13,000 FOR THAT POSITION AND THAT THEY SHARE WITH POWER AND THE REST OF PUBLIC WORKS. I'M GOING TO SKIP THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THAT WAS KIND OF THE REST WENT TO THE GENERAL FUND, THE LIBRARY FUND. WE GAVE THEM THE ADDITIONAL 64,000 TO COVER THEIR PERSONNEL GROWTH. AND THEN THE 500,000 FOR THE PORTION OF THE STORAGE FACILITY THAT THEY WILL BE BUILDING. AND THEN THE REST OF THAT EXCESS IS GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENT REQUESTS, BUT ALSO JUST THE DIFFERENT SALARIES AND CHANGES IN THINGS. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. AND NOW MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK, BUT IT MIGHT BE WHEN YOU TAKE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. PORTION OF FOREGONE. WE KNOW THAT THAT MONEY THEN IS DEDUCTED FROM YOUR FOREGONE TOTAL AND IT NEVER COMES BACK. AND YOU ONLY GET IT A ONE TIME. BUT IF YOU WERE TO HAVE THE HEARING BUDGET FOR IT AND GIVE YOURSELF AUTHORIZATION TO SPEND IT, BUT ULTIMATELY NOT DRAW IT DOWN OR NOT SPEND VERY MUCH OF IT OR ANY OF IT AT ALL, WOULD IT STILL GO AWAY, OR WOULD IT REMAIN BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T TAP INTO IT? SO WHAT SPENDS IT ACTUAL SPENDING OR THE INTENT TO BY HAVING A HEARING, PUTTING IT IN YOUR BUDGET? YEAH, YOU IF YOU LEVY IT AND YOU PUT IT IN YOUR BUDGET, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT PART OF YOUR ONGOING LEVY. SO IF YOU DON'T ADD IT, THEN THAT GOES INTO YOUR FOREGONE BALANCE. BUT THAT ONLY HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T. LEVY ALLEVIATE IT WITHIN YOUR BUDGET. IT'S LEVY. LEVY. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE COULD SAY, HEY, DON'T USE IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD BE FOOLISH BECAUSE THEN THE MONEY JUST COMES INTO THE CITY'S COFFERS. IT DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING. YEAH, IT WOULD COME TO YOUR GENERAL REGARDLESS. SO YOU COULD SAY TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, DON'T SPEND THIS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT BIGGER PLANS FOR IT AND YOU COULD SPEND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR YOU COULD NOT SPEND AND SAVE IT, BUT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY DEFEAT THE FUNCTION WHICH SAYS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SPEND IT ON CAPITAL.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. I THOUGHT WE HAD TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE HAD TO SPEND IT ON. AND THEN AND THEN FOR CAPITAL TO A LAWSUIT THAT MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UNDERLYING LEVY OR THE 1% FOR CAPITAL PROJECT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO THEN I'VE GIVEN YOU REALLY BAD LEGAL ADVICE. SO FOR THAT CAPITAL FOREGONE, WE'VE NOTICED THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DRAW IT DOWN OVER THE STORAGE FACILITY FOR THE FIRE STATION.

WE STILL COULD SAY WE AREN'T EVEN GOING TO LEVY IT. WE HAVE NOT SUBMITTED OUR L2 TO THE

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THAT'S THE REVENUE NUMBER, CORRECT? OKAY. AND I KNOW THE MAYOR REALLY LIKES THIS TABLE.

SO ONCE WE GOT THE UPDATED NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY LAST WEEK, WE WENT AHEAD AND UPDATED THIS NUMBER. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER IS HIGH 8.7 MILLION. INCREASE IN VALUATION OF APPROXIMATE 7.6%. AND THE LEVY RATE WHICH IS SHOWING IT GOING DOWN WITH THE INVERSE RELATIONSHIP. BUT IT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH AS FAR AS VALUATION AND LEVY RATE AND THE CHANGE. AND THEN OF COURSE, IT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT WITHOUT DOING A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION. MARK HAD THESE TWO SEPARATE SLIDES LAST TIME WE WENT OVER THIS, BUT IT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION. AND YOU SEE HERE WITH THE RED LINE RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S IT'S GOING DOWN AS WE ARE DEMONSTRATING IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. I REALLY DON'T THINK PEOPLE COULD ASK FOR THE NUMBERS TO MOVE BETTER THAN THEY HAVE. YEAH, I BET IF YOU LOOK THROUGH HISTORY YOU WOULDN'T FIND 2 BILLION TO 8 BILLION IN VALUATION IN ANY OTHER TIME. BUT IT COMES WITH THAT OTHER PIECE OF THAT WHICH IS EVERYONE'S HOUSES ARE DOUBLE THE COST, WHICH IS CHARACTERS, PEOPLE WHO OWN THEM. GREAT, BUT PEOPLE TRYING TO BUY THEM. SO. SO NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE EXPECTED IMPACT TO OUR PROPERTY OWNERS. THIS FIRST SLIDE IS ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS.

WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS FOUR DIFFERENT COLUMNS ASSUMING DIFFERENT RATES OR VALUATIONS OF HOMES, ANYWHERE FROM 325,000 UP TO 625,000. WE'VE DONE THE CALCULATIONS OF WHAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY TAX BILL WOULD LOOK LIKE VERSUS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE UNDER THIS NEW PROPERTY TAX BASE, WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE ARE SEEING OF 7.6% OF OUR VALUATION, WE TOOK AN ESTIMATE KIND OF OFF OF ZILLOW, OF RESIDENTIAL BEING AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 2.5%. THAT MEANS KIND OF THE MATH OF IT IS ABOUT 9.5% GROWTH TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. SO FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS SCENARIO HERE, WE'RE ASSUMING 2.5% GROWTH. SO THE 325,000 IS NOW VALUED AT 333,000 $625,000. HOME IS NOW VALUED AT 640,000. AND AGAIN, EVERY PROPERTY IS NOT VALUED EVERY SINGLE YEAR WITH THE COUNTY. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A MIXED BAG AS YOU GO THROUGH DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY BILLS. BUT THIS IS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT IMPACT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE. SO WITH THAT CHANGE IN VALUATION, THE ORANGE LINE THERE IS WHAT THE TAX OR SORRY THE TAXABLE VALUE CHANGE WOULD BE IN PERCENT. AND THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IS THE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF JUST IF WE TAKE JUST STATUTORY 3% AND GROWTH, THEN THE 3% IN GROWTH PLUS THE 1% FOREGONE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS HOW WE HAVE THE BUDGET PREPARED RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE 3% GROWTH AT 1%, AND THAT 500,000 IN CAPITAL FOREGONE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE RANGE IN THAT TAXABLE INCREASE. IT'S ABOUT $42 UP TO $78. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS RANGE OF HOMES VALUED AT 325,000, UP TO THE 625,000.

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THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF. HOW MUCH THEY EARN SOME REVENUE. YEAH, SOME REVENUE BASED. BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S WE DID THAT AT ALL. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS, RIGHT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT IMPACT. AND WE DON'T GET THE ACTUAL BREAKDOWN BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL UNTIL ABOUT NOVEMBER GENERALLY FROM THE COUNTY. SO THESE ARE ALL JUST KIND OF PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES BASED ON US KIND OF MAPPING IT OUT AND ASSUMING THAT INTEREST RATE OR THAT VALUATION INCREASE. AND, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE DO GET CALLS, WHICH WE DO, WE ACTUALLY USE THIS THESE SLIDES AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR OTHER WORK PAPERS TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT WENT UP AND WHY IT WENT UP, AND WHAT IS BEING WHAT WHAT IS BEING USED FOR. AND SO WE DO OUR TEAM DOES A REALLY GREAT JOB OF BEING ABLE TO RESERVE THOSE WORK PAPERS UNTIL WE GET THOSE CALLS, WHICH WE DO. WE DO GET THE QUESTIONS. ONCE THE TAX BILLS GO OUT. IS THIS ON A SOMEWHERE ON THE DRIV. JUST NEXT SLIDE. YES, IT'S ON THE NEXT DRIVE. AND I BELIEVE I MIGHT ALSO HAVE IT ON THE COUNCIL DRIVE OKAY. FOR YOU. YEAH. SO THOSE OF YOU WHO OWN BUSINESSES OR WHO HAVE BUSINESS ACUMEN AND UNDERSTAND THE BOOKS FROM BUSINESSES DO THESE, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT AS A, AS A RATEPAYER OR TAXPAYER WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PRETTY EASILY, BUT I DON'T HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THESE COSTS PER MONTH MIGHT REPRESENT FOR BUSINESSES. AND IF THE THIRD COLUMN IS A LARGE ENOUGH BUSINESS TO TAKE THAT $441 HIT.

ANYBODY, ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS ON THAT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A $10 MILLION BUSINESS. I KNOW ABOUT A $2 MILLION BUSINESS THAT THE SEVENS I MEAN, THE 930 FOUR RAISING IT BY $100, IT IS IT WILL NOT BE UNNOTICED PER MONTH. RIGHT. LIKE IT. YEAH. IT BUT IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DO A TRIPLE NET LEASE. AND SO THAT YOU PASS THAT ON TO THE, THE YOU KNOW LEASEE. SO I MEAN IT IS IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND COMMERCIAL STAYED FLAT OR WENT DOWN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND SO EVENTUALLY THEY IT'LL BE EXPECTED TO COME UP BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE PAYING IS RIGHT AROUND THAT 9.34. AND IT WAS $100 MORE THAN THAT THREE YEARS AGO PER MONTH. SO IT DID DROP AS THE LEVY RATE DROPPED AND THE VALUATION STAYED THE SAME. SO IT FEELS LIKE YEAH, THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK UP. SO. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. OKAY OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THOSE UNALLOCATED FUNDING SOURCES AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH WHAT IS KIND OF REMAINING FROM THE BUDGET REQUEST. IF YOU REMEMBER, ON JULY 22ND, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT REQUESTS AND WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES FOR THOSE. PART OF THAT WAS OUR GROWTH, WHICH COMES FROM THE ANNEXATION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE ALSO HAD THE CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION BOND CLOSEOUT THAT WE PUT MOST OF THAT GOING TOWARDS THE SHOOTING RANGE FOR THE POLICE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A POWER REPAYMENT FOR THE RECREATION FACILITIES THAT ARE PARKS HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING FOR THEM. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WAS LEFT AND KIND OF THE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITION WE HAVE TO THOSE FUNDING SOURCES. SO OF THE

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THAT'S ONGOING FUNDING THAT WE HAVE NOT ALLOCATED TO A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. AND WE'VE JUST PUT INTO CONTINGENCY FOR NOW IN THE BUDGET. THEN WE HAVE TWO ONE TIME FUNDING SOURCES. THOSE DIDN'T CHANGE. 50,000 OF THAT BOND CLOSEOUT MONEY STILL POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE. AGAIN, THAT'S AN ESTIMATE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY CLOSE OUT THE BOND AND THEN THE POWER REPAYMENT ABOUT 173,000 AVAILABLE FOR THAT. ALTOGETHER. THAT'S 399,000 THAT WE HAVE UNALLOCATED. SO WE'VE INCLUDED AS CONTINGENCY IN THE BUDGET THAT IT COULD BE ALLOCATED TO SOMETHING IN THERE NOT TO EXCEED BUDGET AMOUNT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT SPECIFIC TO THE DEPARTMENT. SO LET'S START WITH THE COP OR THE COP MONEY. THE 50,000 IS AN ESTIMATE BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLOSED OUT, AND WE WON'T KNOW BEFORE WE HAVE TO SET THE BUDGET. AND SO IF THERE IS MORE MONEY AVAILABLE FROM THAT, THEN THAT WOULD BE MONEY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW. WOULD YOU WANT THAT TO JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE IT WASN'T ALLOCATED? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY THE 50,000 PLUS ANY ADDITIONAL THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE TO GO WHEREVER YOU'RE SENDING THE 50,000 THAT THAT MIGHT BE A AN ISSUE YOU MIGHT WANT TO TEASE OUT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT YET, BUT WE WANT TO TEASE THAT OUT TODAY. DO YOU WANT ANY ADDITIONAL COP MONEY TO JUST GO TO GENERAL FUND, OR DO YOU WANT IT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? AND THEN WE JUST TAKE THE AUTHORIZATION OUT OF OUR CONTINGENCY? AND KNOWING WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WILL BE FINAL IN THAT THAT EXTRA COULD BE A HALF MILLION. IT COULD BE 10,000. WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S CLOSED OUT. AND WE CAN'T ARBITRAGE. WHEN THAT AMOUNT COMES BACK, WE'LL BE REPORTING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE? IS THAT 400,000. IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS CAPACITY AND OUR SOME LINE ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE'D USE THAT CAPACITY IF WE HAD IT. I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT REQUESTS, BUT THIS WAS JUST GOING TO HELP. LIKE WE DON'T KNOW YET. LET'S JUST HOLD IT ON. OBLIGATED. AND SOME OF THOSE ITEMS WERE POTENTIALLY LOOKED AT TO RESTORE A COUPLE OF THE DEPARTMENTS OF SOME CUTS THAT THEY HAD MADE TO THEIR BUDGETS ON BOARD. SO THAT BOND FLOWS OUT 50,000 DEPTH BEYOND TRYING TO SET ASIDE THAT 950,000. CORRECT. SO THIS IS BEYOND OUR I HONESTLY JUST QUICK SPEAKING OFF THE TOP. GET MORE COMFORTABLE SPENDING ANY OF THAT COP MONEY FOR SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE POLICE. THAT'S KIND OF THE PROMISE I THINK WE MADE TO THE PUBLIC WHEN WE THAT WE. SO IF IT'S 50,000 MORE THAN THE 950, IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO GET THAT SHOOTING RANGE ACTUALLY UP AND RUNNING. I'D RATHER NOT SPEND IT IN THE GENERAL FUND. I SPENT THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR TELLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THAT WAS CITY MONEY. IT WAS BORROWED BY THE CITY FOR A PROJECT THAT CAME IN UNDER BUDGET. YAY! NOBODY GETS REWARDS AROUND HERE. AND SO IT WAS.

YEAH, IT BELONGS TO THE GENERAL FUND AND IT IS THE COUNCIL'S TO DIRECT. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT IT, TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP THEM WITH FFA OR WHATEVER ADDITIONAL AMMO OR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE FOR THE SHOOTING RANGE, THAT IS COMPLETELY FINE. BUT I, I THINK WE DON'T OWE ANYBODY ANYTHING AS A MATTER OF SOME KIND OF OBLIGATION OR MORAL RIGHT. IT'S MONEY THAT WAS SAVED BECAUSE OUR, OUR CITY EMPLOYEES DID A GREAT JOB, BUT IT WAS GENERAL FUND MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO THAT THAT'S SORT OF MY THOUGHT. AND ALSO TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THE HISTORIC CONTEXT. SO THE $2 MILLION THAT WE ALREADY HAD IN THE ONGOING BUDGET ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE GENERAL FUND, AND A LARGE PORTION OF THAT WAS DUE TO A CLOSEOUT OF AN URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT A FEW YEARS AGO. SO THE SOURCE OF THAT PAYMENT OF THE $2 MILLION, THAT IS FOR A 19 YEAR PERIOD ACTUALLY DID ORIGINALLY ORIGINATE FROM THE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS BACK IN 2019, 2020, AND THOSE DOLLARS WILL REVERT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND ONCE THE POLICE STATION IS PAID OUT OR THE POLICE COMPLEX IS PAID OFF. BUT I JUST I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I HAVE WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTIES UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MONEY IS THE COUNCIL'S TO DIRECT. AND WE CAN STILL DIRECT IT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. ABSOLUTELY.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT'S A REWARD TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE. I'M SUGGESTING THAT, FIRST OF

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WELL, AND WE HAD SAID THE RANGE COME IN AT AN ESTIMATED 750, AND WE'RE GIVING 950 TOWARD THAT.

RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S ROOM FOR INFLATION. I'M HOPING THAT WE WON'T SEE THAT DEGREE OF INFLATION IN A YEAR OR YEAR AND A HALF'S TIME, BUT ONE NEVER KNOWS. AND WE HAVE SAID THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK. I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE BUDGET, THERE IS STILL A QUALIFIER ON THAT, THAT THEY'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL BEFORE THAT MONEY GETS SPENT. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ALLOCATED ALREADY. AND CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT. DO YOU WANT IT TO COME BACK BEFORE THEY EVEN PUT IT OUT TO BID. OR JUST ONCE THEY PUT BIDS OUT BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT FULL PICTURE OF THE FUNDING. OKAY. I'M FINE WITH IT IN GENERAL, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO. I MEAN, I'D HATE TO TIE IT UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO SPEND IT ON.

RIGHT. WE SAY WE'RE DIRECTING IT TO THE POLICE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT HAVE SOMETHING TO SPEND IT ON, I GUESS. OH, NO, I'M NOT. I WASN'T SUGGESTING A BLANK CHECK. OKAY.

I WOULD SAY THAT'S MY PRIORITY FOR HOW TO USE IT, BUT YEAH, BUT I BUT I DON'T THINK WE, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS SHOOTING THING IS GOING TO COST. RIGHT. AND WE'LL KNOW THAT'S AVAILABLE. IF IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S WHAT WE'LL KNOW IT'S AVAILABLE IF IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND. PAM MAKES A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT ABOUT THAT $2 MILLION CAME DIRECTLY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BEFORE. SO AND THIS IS A ONE TIME DEAL. AND MY THOUGHT IS THAT MAYBE WE TAKE LESS OUT OF FOREGONE I. I'M THINKING THAT THAT ISN'T PROBABLY ONE OF OUR MORE EXTREME MEASURES. AND IF WE TAKE LESS THERE, THEN EVERY TAXPAYER IS A WINNER. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET. THE LATEST VERSION, I BELIEVE, AND I NOTICED THAT THE MID-YEAR HIRE FOR THE ZOO POSITION IS STILL IN THERE, AS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A GENERAL FUND BUDGET ITEM. IS THAT CORRECT? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE STARTING TO SPEND THAT 176? NO, THE MID-YEAR HIRE FOR THE ZOO WOULD BE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? RIGHT. IT'S IN THE 26TH.

BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THE COUNCIL HAD ACTUALLY APPROVED THAT YET. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S APPROVED IN THE BUDGET. THE WAY I READ THE BOOK, YEAH, IT WAS ASSUMED TO BE INCLUDED OUT OF THOSE ONE ONGOING MONEYS, AND THEY WERE GOING TO ALSO INCREASE FEES TAKEN OUT OF THE 176. YEAH, THAT'S AFTER IT'S ALREADY TAKEN OUT. THAT'S WHAT'S STILL LEFT OF OUR ONGOING FUNDING. AND THE SAME FOR THE LOCKERS AT THE AQUATIC CENTER. 45,000 IN THERE AGAIN. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT MY SAME.

YEAH, I GOT BOTH. I THOUGHT THAT WE DIDN'T APPROVE BOTH OF THOSE. I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SAID. NO, YOU'LL HAVE TO. YEAH. I MEAN, I WAS SURPRISED THEY WERE IN THERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAD BEEN COMMITTED, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE OTHER HALF OF THAT MID-YEAR HIRE IS GOING TO BE IN 2027. THEY WERE PLANNING TO RAISE FEES TO HELP COVER THAT PERSONNEL COST. I THINK I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION BEING THAT WHEN THE ZOO DID ITS NEXT FOCUS REPORT, THERE WOULD BE SOME SCRUTINY FROM THE COUNCIL ON THE FEES AND SOME KIND OF EXPECTATION THAT THOSE FEES WOULD BE STUDIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE THE RIGHT SIZE.

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE VOTED IN THE WAY THAT WE DID. IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THAT TENANTED, NOT TO EXCEED BUDGET AMOUNT AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WAS GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A OF A DEEP DIVE OR A FOCUS REPORT ON. I WOULD JUST SAY FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, YOU COME INTO A LITTLE MONEY, YOU DON'T JUST GO OUT AND COMMIT IT TO SOMETHING, RIGHT? WELL, TIMES, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO PUT IT AWAY IN CASE SOMETHING UNEXPECTED COMES UP. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD COMMIT THIS TO ANYTHING.

I MEAN, WELL, SOMETHING'S GOING TO COME UP THIS YEAR THAT'S GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOME MONEY FOR. RIGHT. THIS IS IN THE GENERAL FUND AND WE CAN USE IT FOR THAT. AND TO GO BACK TO THE LOCKERS, THEY INITIALLY WERE TALKED ABOUT AS A MAYBE AND WE CAME BACK AROUND AND INCLUDED THEM COMING OUT OF THE POWER REPAYMENT THAT WAS USED ON FUNDING THERE. THAT AND THE HEATING IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT'S THE PART THAT I REMEMBER IS THINKING THAT, YES, FOR THE

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NO, I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT YOU SAID. SO THE 2026 OR THE COMING YEAR, PAGE 2026, 100% OF THE HALF YEAR IS COMING FROM THE REC MONEY COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND, FROM THE POWER REPAYMENT, ONE POWER REPAYMENT ONE TIME MONEY, AND THEN THE FUTURE YEARS WOULD COME OUT OF RATES. THE WHOLE 100% OF THE COST. YES. YEAH. I THINK THERE WAS TWO. AND I'M NOT I'M NOT. OKAY. SO LET'S CALL LET'S CALL 2526. LET'S CALL THAT YEAR ONE. RIGHT. SO YEAR ONE AND THEN YEAR TWO THE YEAR AFTER THE 27 ONE THAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT IN YEAR ONE, THE HALF YEARS ZOOKEEPER POSITION IS FUNDED OUT OF THE MONEY THAT POWER IS PAYING IN FOR RECREATION REPAYMENT HISTORIC REPAYMENT. THAT'S ONE TIME MONEY. SO IT'S COVERED FOR THIS YEAR. SO THEN HOW IS IT THAT WE HAVE WE CREATED AN ONGOING POSITION WITHOUT RECURRING FUNDS. THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION WAS. WELL, IN 2027 THEY'LL OBTAIN THAT FROM ADJUSTED RATES AT THE CITY. THAT'S ONGOING. SO LONG AS THE RATES AREN'T LOWERED. THAT VIOLATES MY PRINCIPLES. MAYOR, I'M SORRY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S WHAT IF WE HAVE 176,000, WE COULD MAKE IT ONGOING. YES, YOU COULD. AND SPLIT IT WITH THE ZOO ONGOING. DO ANYTHING YOU WANT. I JUST WANT IT COMES BACK TO THAT CONVERSATION OF WHICH, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, WE'RE ALL JUST GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS BUDGET, BUT BUT I MEAN, THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, THE ZOO VERSUS OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT WERE REQUESTED, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A LOOK BACK AT SOME OF THE OTHER REQUESTS OF EMPLOYEES. SO THAT WAS ONE THAT THAT IS IN THE BUDGET. THAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME AS WELL AS THE LOCKERS, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD HAD A PRETTY SOLID CONVERSATION NOT TO INCLUDE THE LOCKERS, BUT TO INCLUDE THE DOOR AND HEAT IMPROVEMENTS. AND WE CAN CHANGE ANY OF IT. I THINK SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AND WE'RE BEING VERY CAREFUL AND VERY FRUGAL, AND THEN WE MOVE ON AND FIND OUT, HEY, ALL THAT BEING CAREFUL HAS FREED UP SOME DOLLARS. AND THEN WHEN WE'RE HAVING THAT SECONDARY DISCUSSION, THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS AS TO WHAT THE NEW, LOOSER ATTITUDE APPLIES TO. SO I THINK THAT COULD BE PART OF IT. YEAH. WELL I KNOW COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE ONE TIME MONEY BEING SPENT FOR THAT SALARY. WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANYTHING. WE JUST TALKED AND IT WAS CAPTURED BASED ON BEST UNDERSTANDING IN THE MOMENT. SO ANYWAY, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO THAT ADJUSTING RIGHT NOW. WE JUST NEED SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS AS TO WHAT CHANGES ARE TO BE MADE. OH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS RELATED IS I'M SHOWING SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER 78% FUNDED WITH THAT IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL TOURIST MADE AN ADJUSTMENT UP 8%, BUT NOT TO THE 100% CORRECT. WHEN YOU THINK THAT FIRST YEAR THAT'S GOING TO BE COVERED BY THE. HIRING OF A NEWER OFFICER VERSUS MOVING A MORE EXPERIENCED OFFICER INTO THAT RESOURCE SPOT. AND THE TIMING OF THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE CONVERSATION ON THE BUDGET TUESDAY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WENT BACK AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH US, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND UPDATED THE BUDGET BASED ON THAT AND THE TENTATIVE BUDGET AMOUNT. SO INSTEAD OF BEING 100%, IT'S DOWN

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THAT'S $1 AND A HALF A MONTH. YEAH. SO YOU GET $4 COST PER MONTH AT THE 625 YOU KNOW. SO IT'S LIKE OKAY. BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BECAUSE GROWTH TOOK CARE OF THAT FIRST BIG CHUNK. SO IT'S ONLY $4. BUT TO GET AN EXTRA $500,000 YOU'RE GOING TO GO UP BY 50% IS HOW I LOOK AT THAT NUMBER. IT'S LIKE IT'S 50% HIGHER, MORE THAN 50% HIGHER TO GET THAT HALF $1

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I'D RATHER ADD IT TO THE BASE NEXT YEAR. I MEAN, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT GOING AWAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO FAR THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO GET THAT MONEY, TOO, AND IT'S RUNNING OVER. EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC DECIDE IF THEY WANT THAT PART, RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S A THREE YEAR OVERRIDE. SO IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IS YOU HAVE TO GET THAT MONEY ALL IN ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO THE THRESHOLD IS 50 PLUS ONE INSTEAD OF 65 AND TWO THIRDS OR 66 AND TWO THIRDS. YEAH. SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. SO THAT PROPERTY OWNERS CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.

BUT IT DOESN'T. THE $500,000 IS A IT IS ODD THAT IT HAS THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT. YEAH.

SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR IS AN ESTIMATE OF THE VALUE TO THE CITY OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE WE I MEAN, COMMON SENSE TELLS US THAT IF WE'RE PARKING OUR VEHICLES IN A COVERED SPACE, THERE'S TWO KINDS OF VALUE. ONE IS THE EASY RETRIEVAL OF THEM COMPARED TO WHEN THEY'RE PARKED, MAYBE COVERED WITH SNOW OR WHATEVER. AND THAT'S THAT'S A VALUE WE CAN'T PUT A DOLLAR ON BECAUSE THAT'S TIME SAVINGS IN AN EMERGENCY THAT COULD RESULT AND HAVE AN IMPACT ON LIVES OR PROPERTY. BUT THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS HOW MUCH LONGER DOES THAT EQUIPMENT LAST IF IT'S STORED IN A MORE SECURE, COVERED ENVIRONMENT VERSUS ONE WHERE SUBJECT TO THE ELEMENTS? IF WE COULD SOMEHOW HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN TO THE CITY, DOLLAR WISE, IT MIGHT HELP US TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMITTED OR LESS COMMITTED OR WHATEVER TO THIS PROJECT. BUT I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT HAS VALUE OR MERIT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IF WE WAIT TO DO IT, WHICH I'M ARGUING OPPOSITE WHAT I SAID EARLIER, BECAUSE I'M I'M TEND TO ALIGN WITH LISA. NOT THAT I MATTER BECAUSE I'M ONLY A TIEBREAKER HERE, BUT I PREFER NOT TO TAKE IT AT 1% CAPITAL IF WE CAN FIND A WAY NOT TO. BUT IF WE DON'T DO THE PROJECT NOW, WE RUN THE RISK OF NOT HAVING THAT SAVINGS THAT COMES FROM HAVING THE CONTRACTORS ON SITE, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TREAT THEM AS TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS. SO THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. BUT I GUESS DON'T FORGET THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS DO HAVE MERIT. AND THEY'RE NOT JUST SPENDING FROM THE CITY THAT THE COUNCIL IS APPROVING FOR NO GOOD REASON.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD REASON FOR THESE PROJECTS. YEAH, AND I DON'T THINK LISA DOESN'T WANT TO BUILD THE BUILDING. SHE JUST WANTS TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO PAY FOR IT. YEAH. NO, I JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S MERIT IN THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU.

TEMPORARY PARKING. IF THEY COME IN EARLY, IF THE EQUIPMENT SHOWS UP BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN HERE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? NO, IT'S NOT JUST THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE GETTING. IT'S THE STUFF THEY HAVE NOW. THEIR PARKING STUFF OUTSIDE ALREADY. I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ASSET VALUE NUMBER THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED, MAYOR. BUT BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CHIEF NELSON ON A DESCRIPTION FOR THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS THURSDAY EVENING, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH YOU. WHAT DESCRIPTION HE'S GIVEN TO ME. SO IT'LL BE A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT, 180 BY 80 STEEL STORAGE FACILITIES LOCATED NEAR FIRE STATION. SIX 2767 SPITFIRE STREET. AN ADDITIONAL 50 FOOT OPEN CABLE EXTENSION, ONE ON ONE END TO ACCOMMODATE TRAILER PARKING. NINE FOR THREE BAYS, EACH EQUIPPED WITH 14 BY 16 OVERHEAD DOORS. THE BUILDING

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JUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T READ YOUR BODY LANGUAGE. YOU KNOW, I THINK I PROBABLY FAIR ON THE SIDE THAT FREEMAN ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT, OF JUST OF, OF KNOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO ARISE AND THAT MAYBE NOT NEED TO ALLOCATE THIS, THESE DOLLARS. I'M, I'M GETTING THE IMPRESSION FROM COUNCILMEMBER FRANCIS, THOUGH, IN SOME OF HIS COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY HIS LAST ONE, THAT THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER HERE OR A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL THAT PERHAPS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALLOCATING THESE DOLLARS. AND SO I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW WHERE THAT CONVERSATION IS GOING. BUT I AGREE THAT WITH THE COUNCILORS WHO STATED THAT I DIDN'T THINK WE FUNDED THE LOCKERS OR THAT POSITION. SO AGAIN, I THINK I'M MOSTLY ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM COUNCILOR FREEMAN AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW, BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

OTHER THAN NOT NOT ALLOCATING THIS MONEY, BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT ONE TIME CAPITAL? THAT'S THE THAT'S THE OVERHANGING QUESTION. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF OPINIONS RIGHT NOW. BUT I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHERE COUNCILOR FRANCIS IS GOING OVERALL. I THINK THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT IS I PREFER IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT ZOOM MONEY, THAT IT BE OUT OF THE ONGOING MONEY. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF ONE TIME MONEY BEING COMMITTED ON THE BASIS THAT WE THINK THERE'LL BE ENOUGH REVENUE AND FEES NEXT YEAR. THAT'S SCARY TO ME. AND I STILL FAVOR THE ONE TIME 500,000 FOR THAT BUILDING. BUT OTHERWISE I'M PRETTY GOOD WITH THE BUDGET. I CAN SUPPORT IT. SO IT WOULD BE SHIFTING THE EMPLOYEE FROM ONE TIME MONEY TO ONGOING. WHAT WOULD IT BE DOING WITH THE LOCKERS? NO, I WOULD EXPECT THE ZOO TO GET THE OTHER HALF OF THAT, BUT THE 30,000 WOULD BE ONGOING FROM THE GENERAL FUND. BUT I EXPECT THE ZOO TO GET THE OTHER HALF. BUT THEY COULD EXPECT THE ZOO TO RAISE 60 65,000 IN IN GATE. IT'S A LOT.

SO OKAY. BUT WE STILL HAVE A HALF YEAR IN THIS BUDGET VERSUS A FULL YEAR IN THE FUTURE. AND SO WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST OF A FTE FOR A YEAR FOR THE ZOO KEEPER? 65.5. THE ZOO KEEPER IS 62, ALMOST 6162. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING PUT 30,000 IN THIS YEAR FROM ONGOING MONEY FOR A HALF YEAR HIRE. SO IT'S FULLY PAID FOR THIS YEAR. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE YEAR IT REMAINS FULLY FUNDED WITH AT THE 30,000. AND THEN THE ANY ADDITIONAL WOULD COME IN FROM THE ZOO HAVING TO FIND THE MONEY. SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU THINK FEES COULD COVER 30, JUST NOT 60? I'M SAYING I'M I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE I SEE THE ZOO AS A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY OR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND IT INVITES FAMILIES TO COME. AND THE MORE I RAISE THE FEES, OR I SHOULD SAY, THE MORE THE CITY RAISES THE FEES, THE LESS OPPORTUNITY THERE IS FOR ALL FAMILIES TO COME. SO I'D RATHER. AND ALSO, THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD SAID LAST MEETING WAS, I THINK WE NEED A HEART TO HEART KIND OF CONVERSATION WITH THE ZOO OF WHERE WE'RE GOING,

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YEAH. BUT WITH RESPECT TO SUPPORTING THIS BUDGET, IF THE FIRST FULL YEAR OR CONTINUING FULL YEARS ON THE ZOO KEEPER WAS HALF. GENERAL FUND MONEY, I GUESS, AND HALF INCREASE IN FEES, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU COULD SUPPORT? YEAH. OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE ZOO, HISTORICALLY 60% OF THEIR COSTS ARE COVERED BY THE GENERAL FUND, SO THEY GENERALLY COVER 40% OF THEIR COSTS. YEAH. SO THIS IS A 5050. IT'S IN THAT RANGE. SO I DON'T KNOW. AND GO AHEAD I WOULD JUST MENTION THAT YEARS AGO I WAS SOME OF US WERE AROUND. YOU WERE PROBABLY HERE AND MIGHT REMEMBER THIS. BUT IN THE 80S THE ZOO GOT KIND OF SCARY AND ANIMAL RIGHTS AND SO THERE WAS A COMMITMENT AT THAT TIME THAT, THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO GO IN AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, IN PERPETUITY, BECAUSE THE AZA ACCREDITATION WAS SOMETHING THEY DECIDED TO DO. SO THEY COULD HAVE GOOD CONDITIONS AND DO THOSE THINGS. SO I DON'T MIND PLAYING WITH THE MIX A LITTLE. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVER BE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. NO, I DON'T EITHER. LIKE THIS 60 OVER 40 SPLIT, 50 OVER 50 SPLIT. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING. AND THEN WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. ANOTHER REASON I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ZOO IN THAT RESPECT IS I DON'T THINK ANY GROUP FIGHTS HARDER TO GET MORE DOLLARS, RIGHT. THEY DO WITH THE ZOO, AND IT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT THEIR VOLUNTEERS BRING IN TO TRY TO HELP. SO YEAH, I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. ALL RIGHT. SO I WANT TO GO AROUND THE ROOM AND POLL ON THREE THINGS. AND JIM, YOU WEIGHED IN SO FAR IN TWO. SO AND IF WE JUST KIND OF POLL WHERE EVERYBODY IS ONE IS ON THE EMPLOYEE ZOO EMPLOYEE, THE OTHER IS ON THE LOCKERS AND THE THIRD IS ON, ARE YOU A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN FOR THE 1% CAPITAL FOREGONE? AND SO I GOT FROM YOU THAT AS RESTATED, CHANGING THE EMPLOYEE FROM ONE TIME TO ONGOING. SO THAT MEANS YOU TAKING IT OUT OF THE 176. THEN WAS IT 173? WHATEVER IT WAS THEN YOU'RE A YES. YOU ARE A YES ON THE 1% FOR CAPITAL FOREGONE. BUT I DIDN'T GET WHERE YOU WERE ON LOCKERS. I'LL GO FOR THE LOCKERS BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE NECESSARY FOR THE VALUE. THERE IS ABOUT 40,045 45. OKAY. SO, JOHN, ARE YOU READY TO WEIGH IN? I DON'T I'M COMING TO KNOW ON THE BUDGET, SO I'M NOT SURE I SHOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT. SO I CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU'RE IN THE BUDGET OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN'T? I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET INTO IT. OKAY? JUST BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING I DON'T. OKAY. ANYWAY. OKAY.

OKAY. KURT. SO ZOOKEEPER THE LOCKERS AND BASICALLY THE STORAGE BUILDING. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE 500 IS GOING TO PAY FOR. IT'S THE STORAGE BUILDING. I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE STORAGE BUILDING FOR THE REASONS CITED, I THINK THAT THE LONG TERM VALUE IS SUBSTANTIVE. I DON'T LIKE PAYING MORE PROPERTY TAX. AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I LIKE EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE WHY THEY HAVE TO PAY MORE PROPERTY TAX. I THINK THE ZOOKEEPER THING, I THINK WE'VE GOT A SUFFICIENT I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. THE LOCKERS TO ME, I SUPPORTED IT. I IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS ENOUGH MONEY TO GET TO BUILD UP ABOUT I MEAN JUST IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL BUDGET. THE THING I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THAT HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON THE CAPITAL. I GUESS AT THIS POINT I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT. IF YOU DECIDED TO PUT ALL OF THIS MONEY TOWARD ALL OF THE 399, IT WOULD STILL BE 399, ALTHOUGH THE NATURE OF IT WOULD CHANGE THE DISTRIBUTION BETWEEN ONGOING AND ONE TIME, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ZOO CHANGE IF IT'S MADE. BUT THAT WOULD STILL FREE UP

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THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALTHOUGH THE BOND CLOSEOUT COULD BE COULD BE MORE COULD BE LESS, PROBABLY MORE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW OKAY. SO LISA WHERE DO YOU STAND OKAY. SO I'M JUST OPPOSITE I AM AND I'LL GIVE MY REASONING WHY I'M NO FOR THE LOCKERS. JUST BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE LOTS OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS, IF WE HAD THEM ALL BEFORE US. THAT SAID LIKE WHAT DID YOU CUT? WHAT DID YOU LEAVE IN THE BUDGET? I THINK THAT LOCKERS WOULD NOT HIT ANYWHERE NEAR MY TOP PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. I'M ALSO STILL A NO FOR THE ZOO. I UNDERSTAND IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT I ALSO THOUGHT THAT THE VICTIM'S ADVOCACY THAT'S GOING TO COME ONTO THE BOOKS NEXT YEAR IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE DO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR RIGHT NOW IN VICTIM'S ADVOCACY, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONGOING EXPENSES FOR THE SRO. PLUS, WE HAVE 9 TO 12 FIRE PERSONNEL THAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY AND FIND SOME ONGOING MONEY. WE CUT AN ELECTRICIAN THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE BUDGET REDUCTION, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T REALLY FIND AN ELECTRICIAN THAT WOULD TAKE OUR SALARY THAT WE OFFERED THEM. SO IF THERE WAS SOME MONEY ONGOING TO ACTUALLY PAY AN ELECTRICIAN AT THE RATE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD MUNICIPAL SERVICES. SO WE HAVE AN ELECTRICIAN TAKING OUT OF THERE. SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO COMPARE THOSE AGAINST ZOO WHERE I ONCE AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. BUT WE DID INCREASE ZOO LAST YEAR TO TWO FULL TIME CAME ON LAST YEAR FROM THREE QUARTER TIME. SO THAT'S I JUST THINK IN THE WHOLE GENERAL SENSE OF THINGS, I THINK THAT I WOULD ALSO HAVE SAID THAT BASED ON WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING IN IMPACT FEES FOR POLICE CARS, WE WOULD HAVE HIRED TWO NEW POLICE OFFICERS THIS YEAR. BUT WE PUT THAT ON HOLD. AND SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE ONGOING EXPENSES THAT ARE GOING TO KEEP WINDING UP. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I, THAT'S WHERE I SIT IS BECAUSE I'M FAR

[01:15:08]

IT'S A IT'S SO TRICKY BECAUSE IF WE DON'T CHIP AWAY AT THESE THINGS, THEY'RE GOING TO DETERIORATE AS THEY ALREADY HAVE, TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE LOCKERS AND AT ALL. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE, PICTURE HOW HOW THE AQUATIC CENTER WOULD FUNCTION AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR CONSTITUENTS IF THERE ARE JUST NO LOCKERS. AND I AND I, I THINK THAT PERHAPS ANOTHER AQUATIC CENTER TOUR IS IN ORDER TO GET A BETTER FEEL OF, OF KIND OF WHERE THINGS ARE AT. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE 45,000 TO, TO REPLACE A SECTION OF THOSE LOCKERS. AND IF I'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW ON, ON THE, ON THE CAPITAL FOR THE STORAGE, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT. OKAY. SO I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T KEEP A PERFECT TALLY, BUT I THINK THE

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DEPARTMENT MAKE UP. THEY HAD SACRIFICED THAT DIFFERENCE. YEAH. LEVY MONEY, I SHOULD SAY.

I THINK IT'LL JUST BE PROJECT DEPENDENT. YEAH. IF WE GET INTO SOME PROJECT AND SOME, YOU KNOW, 20,000, 40,000, I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE PROJECT DEPENDENT. AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON, BUT HE'S JUST GOING TO DO LESS MAINTENANCE WITH THE BUDGET HE'S GIVEN. SO THEY WOULD JUST DO MORE MILES THAN LANE IS, IS WHAT THAT CUP IS DOING. WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT COSTS US DOWN THE ROAD. YES. SO MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A CHANCE FOR HIM TO COME BACK AND SAY, CAN I USE YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING SO FAR. I WANT TO GET AN EXTRA HALF A MILE OR A MILE, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, WE TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CONTINGENT A LOT ON THE MINUTES OF THE TYPE OF BIDS THAT WE RECEIVE AND HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE ACTIVITIES WITH SOME OF OUR LARGER VENDORS THAT HELP US REPAIR AND MAINTAIN OUR STREETS. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CONTINGENT ON THE KIND OF BIDS THAT WE RECEIVE NEXT YEAR WHEN IT COMES TIME. WELL, WOULD IT WOULD IT BE CLEANER TO COMMIT 200,000 TO STREETS? THEN IT'S CLEAR WHERE THE MONEY IS SUPPOSED TO GO. BUT IF CHRIS DOESN'T, IF PUBLIC WORKS DOESN'T HAVE A PROJECT THAT FITS THAT, THEN IT'S THERE THE FOLLOWING YEAR. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T COMMIT THEM TO SPEND THAT MONEY, BUT IT HELPS TO DEFRAY THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED $1 MILLION DOWN FOR STREET MAINTENANCE, I BELIEVE, IS AM I HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER IN MY HEAD? SO AND ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE NUMBER I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE ANYWAY, 200,000 MORE FOR THEM. SO AT ONE TIME MONEY. YEAH. I MEAN I'M NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PULL A WILD HAIR OUT OF ME LIKE, THIS IS WILD FOR YOU, BUT I'M REALLY TIRED OF THE STREET RACING. OF WHAT THE STREET RACING LIKE IT IS. IT IS A PROBLEM. AND I WOULDN'T MIND HAVING SOME MONEY TO SAY LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE IN OVERTIME OR IN TRAFFIC SLOWING OR IN WHATEVER FOR DRAG RACING. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T COME

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BECAUSE THEN IF, IF DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON NEEDS TO GO AN EXTRA MILE, THEY'VE GOT THE CREWS THERE. IT'S GOING TO COST THIS MUCH MONEY THEN. YEAH. COME AND ASK FOR THAT MONEY AT THAT TIME, IN THIS UNDESIGNATED MONEY THAT THE COUNCIL CAN AWARD IN TWO CATEGORIES, ONE ONGOING UNDEDICATED AND ONE TIME MONEY. UNDEDICATED SOMETHING. YEAH. AND THE ONE TIME FUNDING WOULD GO UP A LITTLE BIT BY 30,000. IT DOESN'T GO. IT DOESN'T. WE ALSO HAVE SOME NEW MAYOR AND COUNCIL EXPENSES, REORGANIZATION EXPENSES OR THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES THAT MAY CAUSE YOU TO WISH COME JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL THAT YOU HAD SOME DOLLARS TO EXECUTE A VISION WITH. SOME OF THAT VISION CAN WAIT UNTIL NEXT BUDGET YEAR. IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO ASK THE NEW MAYOR TO, YOU KNOW, TO BUDGET FOR WHAT THEY WANT AND TO MAKE THE CASE. BUT IT'S ALSO COOL IF YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO EXECUTE WHEN YOU HAD THE IDEA. SO SOME OF THIS BEING UNDESIGNATED COULD BE VERY WISE IN A YEAR OF TRANSITION. I REALLY LIKE THE STREET RACING IDEA. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE SOLUTION IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW. WE JUST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT, SO WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS GOING TO COST. THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT STREETS. I THINK. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON, BUT I ASSUME HE'S FIGURED OUT IN HIS MIND BASICALLY WHAT IT IS HE'S GOING TO PUSH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S JUST GOING TO GET PUSHED. SO TO LISA'S COMMENT ABOUT WE GET A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING AND THEY NEED ANOTHER 40 OR $50,000 TO, TO DO SOMETHING THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE, LIKE THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING WITH FIRE BUILDING AND BUILDING NOW, WHEN IT COSTS US LESS AND WE START TO ACCRUE THE BENEFITS OF THAT BUILDING NOW, NOT IN TO REPAIR FOR YEARS. AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY. SO I WOULD SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S TALKING AT THE TIME. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD POINTS FOR THAT. BUT I WOULD SUPPORT NOT NECESSARILY ALLOCATING SO MANY FUNDS TO WORK STREETS, BUT JUST THE APPROACH THAT THAT PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW SAID. AND THAT IS LET STREETS KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING WHERE THEY NEED SOME EXTRA MONEY, GIVE US A CALL BECAUSE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME MONEY. I THINK THE STREET RACING THING HAS MERIT AS WELL. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M SITTING RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT ISSUE BECAUSE I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEING A COST ELEMENT, BUT WE COULD ASK POLICE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN AND SEE WHAT IT COSTS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THEN TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID TOO, ABOUT THE NEXT CONVERSATION. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE DECIDED THERE WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO THERE. AND I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. THERE'S SOME FLEXIBLE WAYS TO APPLY THAT OR TO COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. AND THAT'S PUTTING IT DOWN THE ROAD A YEAR OR TWO. BUT. ALL RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW THE BUDGET GOING INTO WELL FIRST OF ALL, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THE SHIFT TO THE ZOO EMPLOYEE GOING FROM ONE TYPE TO ONGOING? YES. NO. EXCEPT FOR WE KNOW AT LEAST THERE'S A NO ON THAT. BUT MICHELLE WAS A YES JIM PROPOSAL. IT WAS. JIM FREEMAN JUST SAID YES, JOHN AND KIRK OKAY. SO THAT SHOULD THAT CHANGE WILL BE MADE. SO THE WAY IT STANDS NOW GOING INTO THURSDAY, YOU HAVE THIS NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT IN THE BUDGET. HELP ME MAKE SURE I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT. AND UNLESS YOU WANT TO DO IT, I'LL LET YOU DO IT. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS WE'LL HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL START WITH OUR FEES. THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE 1% ONGOING FOREGONE. THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO 1% OF THE 3% CAPITAL. AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE WITH THE OVERALL BUDGET AND WE'LL GO OVER, YOU KNOW, THE NUANCES OF THAT, LIKE WE DO EVERY YEAR. AND

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AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. AND IT LEAVES YOU WITH 399 647 IN AN UNALLOCATED. PLACE. IT'S IN CONTINGENCY, CONTINGENCY FOR THINGS THAT COME UP. AND THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER CAME UP.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING SAYING, YES, TAKE IT OUT. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT THAT 70%.

YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ANYTHING ELSE STICKING IN ANYBODY'S YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PARKING FEE WILL NOT THAT GONE FROM THAT. I, I HAD INTENDED TO MAKE A COMMENT DURING ANNOUNCEMENTS LATER ABOUT PARKING. SO I'LL HIT THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE. OKAY. BUT IT WON'T BE ON FEES PROBABLY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THE BASICALLY $400,000 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS ON THURSDAY, CAN WE SAY THAT WE HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT WHERE SOME OF THAT WILL BE SPENT, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR FIGURE LOOK LIKE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU YOU CAN'T BE VAGUE. YOU HAVE TO BE. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK AS LONG AS YOU'RE BEING HONEST ABOUT WHERE WHERE IT IS THAT SUFFICIENT BUT SUFFICIENT FOR LEGAL REASONS.

BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO PUT YOURSELVES IN THE SHOES OF A TAXPAYER. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND OR SUGGEST THAT THAT WAY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS TO PUT YOURSELF IN THE SHOES OF A TAXPAYER AND SAY, OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M GOING TO BE PAYING $1.50 MORE A MONTH SO THAT THEY CAN PARK SOME MONEY IN A, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE STREET RACING FUND. AND IF YOU THINK THAT PUBLIC IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND HAVE THE REST OF THE EMERGENCY, THEN YOU'RE YOU'RE GOLDEN. IF YOU THINK THE PUBLIC MAY BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED OR FRUSTRATED OR WORRIED ABOUT THAT, THEN, I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY, LOWER MY TAXES IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT YOU'RE COLLECTING, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR IT, YOU'RE JUST WAITING AROUND FOR AN IDEA FOR NEXT YEAR. LOWER MY TAXES OR DON'T RAISE THEM SO MUCH. SO YOU'LL DEFINITELY WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION YOURSELF. BUT I KNOW I'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THOSE TAXPAYERS. YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO TALK TO YOUR DIRECTORS AND PEOPLE AND SAY THINGS THEY CARED ABOUT THAT WOULD HAVE COST LESS THAN THIS, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY NO. MAY OR MAY I JUST MAKE A CLARIFICATION TO THE FEES COMMENTS? SO BECAUSE OF OUR DEADLINES OF GETTING EVERYTHING PUBLISHED AND THE PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE PAPER, THE PARKING FEES WERE IN THE PAPER ON BOTH SATURDAYS THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER. HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE DEPENDING ON THE COMMENT THAT THE MAYOR MAKES. THERE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING ON THE SLIDES, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING. THERE'LL BE A TALKING POINT IF YOU WILL, AND THIS HAS BEEN POSTPONED OR ANYTHING THAT THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE ME TO SAY, RECOMMEND THAT WE KEEP IT AS ADVERTISED SO THAT IT'S CLEAN. AND THEN WHEN WE'RE READY, WE FIRST OF ALL, WE EXPLAIN IT, BUT THEN ANYTHING THAT ANY ACTION THAT'S TAKEN IS TAKEN TO AMEND. EXACTLY. THAT WOULDN'T AMEND ANYTHING FOR THURSDAY NIGHT, BUT IT WOULD STATE OUR INTENTION ON THE RECORD TO NOT TO. WHAT'S THE WORD AMEND THE FINAL MOTION TO NOT INCLUDE THOSE. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE RESOLUTION. SO IT WAS IN THE NOTICE, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE RESOLUTION. OKAY. WE DIDN'T COUNT ANY REVENUE FROM THAT. RIGHT. FOR ANY. PURPOSE. IT'S THAT WOULD ALL IT WAS GOING TO BE. IT HAS TO. AND IF I COULD JUST MAKE ONE MORE FINAL COMMENT, IT IS ON YOUR COUNCIL MEMOS BECAUSE AGAIN, BECAUSE WE PUT IT THROUGH A PUBLIC NOTICE, THAT SAME PUBLIC NOTICE INFORMATION IS IN YOUR COUNCIL MEMO. SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE DO THE PRESENTATION, WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION AND EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. IT'S JUST MAINLY THE DEADLINES THAT WE HAD TO MEET IN ORDER BY STATE STATUTE TO GET THEM IN THE NEWSPAPER, TO RAISE THE ABILITY TO LOWER THAT OR REMOVE IT ON THURSDAY NIGHT. RIGHT. WELL, THURSDAY IS ONLY A HEARING. IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE TAKEN UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH. SO THAT'S WHEN THE ACTION WILL BE TAKEN. AS FAR AS I'M SEEING IT, DO YOU SEE IT DIFFERENTLY LEGAL? WELL, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WILL WANT TO COME AND TALK SPECIFICALLY IF THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE. YOU APPEAR THAT WAY. OKAY? OKAY.

IT'S BEEN PULLED OUT. IT WAS NOTICED, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION. IT'LL BE GOING THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO THE 28TH OF AUGUST. SO THERE COULD BE SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THAT COME. BUT YOU KNOW AGAIN WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE DEADLINES FOR THE TWO CONSECUTIVE. SO I MEAN IT'S IT MAKES ME KIND OF A LITTLE MOVIE. I WILL ANNOUNCE THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING, SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO STAND UP BECAUSE IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE,

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[Human Resources, Legal]

SHE'S BEEN TO THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS. SORRY. I'M JUST HANDING OUT SOME STUFF THAT MAY BE HELPFUL FOR THE CONVERSATION. I MIGHT BE PASSING THIS DOWN. ARE THEY ALL? YEAH. THAT'S WHY EACH ONE IS DIFFERENT. THERE'S SIX PROPOSALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. OKAY, OKAY. FEEL FREE. TO INSIDE THE SECOND HANDOUT THAT'S COMING AROUND. THE SECOND TWO ARE THE SAME THINGS WE SENT OUT LAST WEEK. THE FIRST PACKET IS PROPOSALS SUBMITTED BY FOUR OF YOU FOR HOW WE MIGHT CHANGE THE ORDINANCE ON COMPENSATION FOR MARRIAGE COUNCIL. OKAY.

PERFECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE RECEIVED FIVE PROPOSALS FROM FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THEY'RE SUMMARIZED ON THE FIRST SHEET. AND HEIDI PUT THEM TOGETHER ON AS DRAFT. WELL THE FIRST, AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS THERE ARE SUMMARIZED ON HERE. THE FIRST ONE IS THE EXISTING ORDINANCE.

AND THERE ARE FIVE PROPOSALS THAT FOLLOW THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH PAGE IN THE IN THE FOOTER, YOU CAN SEE WHO SUBMITTED THE PROPOSAL. AND SO IF WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND IT WAS YOUR PROPOSAL, IF SOMEHOW WE DIDN'T CAPTURE EVERYTHING YOU MEANT FOR US TO CAPTURE, THEN YOU CAN LET US KNOW THAT AS WELL. WE TRIED TO CAPTURE WHAT WAS SENT TO US IN THESE PROPOSALS AND THE SUMMARY SHEET AND PRESENTING THIS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE COUNCIL, DISCUSS AND GIVE US DIRECTION ON WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. I WILL ADD ON MINE THE MAYOR. IT DID INVOLVE CHANGING WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO AND THAT IS THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE MAYOR. SO THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT NUMBER THAT SHOWS FOR. CHANGE THAT LIKE CHANGING THE REQUIREMENTS. FOR

[01:40:08]

I HAD IT BASED ON 100. SO IT WOULD BE 4000 MORE THAN I THOUGHT.

I WOULD SAY THAT. IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS. CHANGES PROBABLY DO HAVE TO BE MADE TO,

[01:45:08]

BUT IT'S ALSO COULD BE MISPERCEIVED BY EMPLOYEES AS A GIGANTIC PERCENT INCREASE THAT THAT DOESN'T FEEL FAIR TO THEM WHEN THEY'RE ALSO DEALING WITH INFLATION. AND THEY THEY'VE HAD MUCH MORE CONSISTENCY AND ALL OF THAT. BUT THAT TENDS TO BE FORGOTTEN WHEN SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT THE COLD, HARD NUMBERS OF ANY ONE YEAR. SO I THINK THE STAGING IS WISE, BUT I DO THINK COUNCIL PROBABLY DESERVES THE HIGHER WAGES THAN THEY'RE AT. NOT A PROBABLY DOES, I SHOULD SAY DOES DESERVE THOSE. THEY'RE THEY'RE WELL EARNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ASKED TO DO ON A WEEKLY BASIS. YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE. AND I ALSO THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I'VE KIND OF SEEN IS THAT WAGES ACROSS THE BOARD, I MEAN, JUST A QUICK INTERNET SEARCH, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2019, WAGES ARE UP 23% BY DOLLARS. NOW PURCHASING POWER IS FLAT, RIGHT.

ALMOST ALL THE GAINS HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT BY INFLATION. SO IF YOU'RE IF WE DON'T INCREASE THE SALARIES WE'RE ALREADY AT 15 OR WHATEVER WE WERE AT, I GUESS WE'D BE HIGHER WITH THE AUTOMATIC ONES. BUT BUT THAT IT'S JUST THAT YOU'LL NEVER CATCH UP IF YOU DON'T MAKE A JUMP SOMEWHERE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T KIND OF SAY. AND I THINK IT'S KIND OF UNIQUE WHAT WE WENT THROUGH 2019 TO 23, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE WAGE GROWTH LIKE THAT AT THE END OF THE NEXT 4 OR 5 YEARS. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY PERCEPTION, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE WAS JUST SUCH A BIG CHANGE THAT HAPPENED. AND THEN YOU GET WORKERS BACK INTO WORKPLACE. YOU HAD TO PAY A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAD FOR AT LEAST THAT WAS MY, MY, MY BUSINESS. AND SO IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY'S AVERAGE EMPLOYEE WAGE OVER THAT TIME PERIOD, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROMOTIONS OR ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, I WASN'T HERE THAT WHOLE TIME. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE HISTORY BEYOND THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT IF THE ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE WAS 2 OR 3%, THIS STEP IS ANOTHER TWO 2% ON AVERAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 5% A YEAR. YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THAT SAME BALLPARK OVER THAT SAME PERIOD. YEAH. SO AND THAT AND JUST THE OTHER PIECE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS TO VALUE WHAT WE DO AT A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT SHOWS THAT WE'RE PROFESSIONALS ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE TIME WE PUT INTO POWER, THE TIME WE PUT INTO THE AIRPORT, THE TIME WE PUT INTO THE UTILITIES. THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT TO, TO KIND OF TO, TO LEARN AND TO BE CAPABLE OF MAKING DECISIONS AROUND. AND I JUST, I AND THE OTHER THING I STRUGGLE WITH IS SEEING BOISE GET UP TO THE $28,000 THEY'RE AT AND THEIR BUDGETS, 5 OR 600 MILLION. AND WE'RE SITTING PRETTY CLOSE AT THREE, THREE, 73, 53, 80, YOU KNOW, ON THOSE BUDGET NUMBERS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE ADDED COMPLEXITY OF THE, YOU KNOW, $1 BILLION POWER COMPANY THAT WE RUN AND A 70 MILLION IN REVENUE THROUGH THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE ROADS AND PLOWING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT BOISE DOESN'T DO. RIGHT. SO THAT'S HOW I GOT TO 21,000 IS TO JUST, YOU KNOW, BE BELOW THE BIGGEST CITY IN THE STATE. LIKE, I THINK THAT'S JUST OPTICS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO DO ON A DAY TO DAY AND A WEEK TO WEEK BASIS, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF CATCH UP HERE, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN IT WILL ALWAYS STAY LOW. AND THEN THE QUESTION OF GIVING UP YOUR TIME TO BE A PUBLIC SERVANT, IT GETS HARDER.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO WILL DO IT. RIGHT. I ALWAYS I THINK THAT'S TRUE. BUT I THINK YOU GET BETTER OPPORTUNITIES TO GET GOOD COMPETITION AT ELECTIONS. AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S OF VALUE WHEN YOU GET THERE. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO DO, I THINK IS JUST. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE I'LL JUST SAY IS THE TIME YOU GIVE TO THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE EXPECTED TO BE AT PLACES VERSUS THE THINGS WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING, LIKE THESE MEETINGS, LIKE YOU'RE GIVING UP A LOT OF WEEKENDS, A LOT OF NIGHTS, A LOT OF DINNERS, A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE AT OR YOU SHOULD BE AT TO BE INFORMED. JUST LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND CONGRESSMAN SIMPSON A FEW WEEKS AGO, YOU WANT TO BE AT THAT, RIGHT?

[01:50:01]

SOME OF IT MAY NOT. SO THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY THERE. BUT THE BULK OF THE TRAVEL, AS MAYOR INDICATED, IS COVERED BY POWER AIRPORT OR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND IS NOT. THE COST ALLOCATION IS ALREADY TRUE OF OUR SALARIES. RIGHT. SO POWER ALREADY PAYS A PORTION OF OUR SALARY, RIGHT? ALREADY AT THIS MOMENT, THE BUDGET DOES INCLUDE THOSE COST ALLOCATIONS. YEP. SO I MEAN THAT AND THEN MAYBE USING SOME OF THE 399 WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 TO 30,000 MORE. I THINK IT'S DOABLE THAN A $300 MILLION BUDGET, RIGHT. TO COME UP WITH THE $36,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES. AND AGAIN, THE OTHER THING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT IT IN THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T SAY IT IN MY EMAIL, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO EVER DO THIS IF WE DIDN'T GET AN INCREASE WITH THE EMPLOYEES. I THINK THAT SHOULD ALWAYS BE TRUE FOR OUR ORDINANCE. SO WE WOULDN'T TAKE AN INCREASE OF EMPLOYEES TO INCREASE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE ANNUAL WHAT WOULD YOU INDEX IT TO THAT WOULD YOU JUST SAY THAT COUNCIL AND MAYOR SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT OKAY. NO FORMULA. BUT WE COULD I THINK IS IT LEGAL TO PUT IN A CAVEAT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE BY ORDINANCE, WE WON'T VOTE ON AN INCREASE FOR OURSELVES IN THOSE ELECTION YEARS? AND THE LAST WORDS WE MAY INCREASE WORKS. OR DO YOU THINK THAT'S ADDING A STIPULATION TO STATE WON'T ALLOW US SO I THINK. YOU CAN YOU CAN ONLY TAKE OUT A. LET ME START FROM THE VERY TOP. SORRY. THE ONLY WAY I KNOW HOW TO THINK THROUGH IT IS TO START ALL THE WAY AT THE TOP AND THEN GET DOWN TO THE SPECIFIC THING. BUT IF YOU WANT, YOU REQUIRE TO PUT INTO AN ORDINANCE WHAT THE COMPENSATION THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IS GOING TO BE, AND THAT ORDINANCE CANNOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL UNTIL AFTER THE GENERAL ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN HELD. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GOT A DEADLINE TO DO THAT BEFORE AUGUST, BECAUSE AFTER THAT, IF YOU'VE GOT I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT THERE'S SO MANY DAYS AHEAD OF THE GENERAL ELECTION, YOU CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON IT AND THEN IT CAN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTERWARDS. SO AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN AN ELECTION YEAR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT IN ELECTION YEAR. I GUESS YOU COULD DO IT. YOU COULD DO IT IMMEDIATELY AFTER AN ELECTION, BUT YOU COULDN'T GET THAT EFFECT UNTIL THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. SO. SO YOU COULD COME JANUARY 1ST WITH THE BRAND NEW COUNCIL AND ALSO A BIG RAISE OR A BIG DECREASE. IT COULD TAKE EFFECT UNTIL THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION. THAT WAY PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU RAISE YOUR SALARY SO MUCH. I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION BEHIND THE LEGISLATION. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, CAN YOU WRITE IT IN A WAY THAT SAYS THAT THE INCREASE WON'T, WON'T OCCUR UNLESS SOME OTHER CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN THAT? RIGHT, THE

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MAYBE IS THE ANSWER. I DON'T I CAN'T GIVE YOU A BETTER ONE THAN THAT THOUGH. I THINK THE LEGISLATION REQUIRES YOU AND I, IF YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT. BUT THE ATTORNEYS ACROSS THE STATE HAVE BEEN CHATTING A LOT ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY COUNCIL LOOKING AT CHANGING WHAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN MAKE IT AN AUTOMATIC COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT PROGRAMED INTO IT, SO YOU NEVER HAVE TO TAKE IT UP AGAIN. MOST OF THE ATTORNEYS IN THE STATE THINK THAT'S NOT LEGAL AND INCLUDING ME. I DON'T THINK THAT'S LEGAL. I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A NUMBER, AND I THINK THAT NUMBER HAS GOT TO BE REALLY CLEAR. I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST, WHEN YOU GET RAISES THAT OCCUR THEREAFTER ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, YOU COULD DO THAT TOO. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LEGISLATION WOULD PROHIBIT YOU ON HAVING A CONDITIONAL RATES. LET ME TELL YOU THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OF THE LEGISLATION BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

RIGHT. SO LEGISLATION THAT THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE LEGISLATION IS THAT COUNCILS CAN'T RAISE THEIR SALARIES WITHOUT HAVING AN ELECTION IN BETWEEN. FOR THE PEOPLE TO APPROVE THAT RAISE THROUGH ELECTING NEW REPRESENTATIVES. SO IF YOU PUT A CONDITION IN A PAY RAISE THAT IT'S GOING TO OCCUR, THEN YOU CAN YOURSELVES BE SURE WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT RAISE OR NOT BY FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THE CONDITION, AND YOU'LL TAKE OUT THE ABILITY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, WELL, WAIT, NO, THAT'S TOO MUCH. BUT UNLESS THEY TAKE ACTION RIGHT AWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BY THE LETTER ILLEGAL AND WE MIGHT SURVIVE A CHALLENGE. I THINK I CAN THINK OF ARGUMENTS WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE ON WHY IT WOULD BE OKAY, BUT I THINK IT VIOLATES THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW. SO I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. OR MAYBE WE WORK WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE. AND I THINK I THINK THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT CREATIVE WAYS THAT PUBLIC SERVICE SALARIES COULD BE SET. CERTAINLY, IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE LAW IN IDAHO THAT YOU CAN'T, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT WAIT FOR AN ELECTION BEFORE THINGS BECOME EFFECTIVE. THAT'S A CHANGE THAT WASN'T ALWAYS THERE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN IT TOOK EFFECT, BUT THAT'S ONE CREATIVE WAY OF HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICIALS ACCOUNT. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS ACTION HAS TO BE DETERMINED NOW TO BE PUT ON THURSDAY NIGHT'S AGENDA. OR THE WINDOW CLOSES. AND SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAMMER OUT WHATEVER THIS IS GOING TO BE. IF YOU. SO IS THERE A PROPOSAL. WELL I, I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT FOR THE CONVERSATION BEFORE. AND SO I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO SAY JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE ONE THING THAT, WELL, A FEW THINGS AS I LISTENED TO THE CONVERSATION AND I CAN APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S DIFFERING OPINION. RIGHT. BUT AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY LIKE THAT. WE JUST WE ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY, SO TO SAY, LIKE, OH, HERE'S THE WAGES. I JUST THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S LIKE, I. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT EMPLOYEES AND WE HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DIRECTOR SALARIES TO MANAGE THE CITY. SO I DO FEEL LIKE SOME OF WHAT WE ARE DOING AS FAR AS TIME SPENT IS SOMEWHAT SELF-INFLICTED. WE DO KNOW WHAT THE SLICE PRODUCT IS, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY GALLONS OF CHLORINE WE POUR INTO THE POOL, POOL OR THE SEPTIC.

RIGHT? SO WE'VE WE'VE DUG DEEPER AND I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF GROWTH. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BECOME, YOU KNOW, NOT EXPERTS, BUT CERTAINLY MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE IN CERTAIN AREAS.

SO I, I'M NOT I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR. I THINK THAT THERE IS PARTLY JUST A PUBLIC SERVICE PIECE, BUT ALSO TO SAY LIKE, OH, WAGES HAVE GONE UP. I GET THAT AND WE SHOULD BE PAID FOR WORK DONE. BUT I TO TRY AND. LOOK AT WAGES GENERALLY I THINK THAT THE WAGES THAT ARE GOING UP THAT

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AND THAT ALSO VARIES GREATLY AND PHONE USE, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY BEHAVIOR OR CHOICES NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING A CANDIDATE THAT MIGHT HAVE EXPERTISE THAT THEY FIND TO BE VALUABLE, BUT THEY ARE MAKING A DAY TO DAY CHOICE AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR TIME. I THINK A HIGHER SALARY NOT ONLY HELPS WITH RECRUITMENT, BUT I THINK IT IS VERY FAIR TO SAY THAT IT IS ON PAR WITH THE TIME THAT WE ARE INVESTING. AND SO I'M ALL RIGHT KEEPING IT THE SAME. BUT I DID THINK IT WAS WORTH A DISCUSSION. AND I'LL JUST ADD TO WHAT MICHELLE JUST REMINDED ME IS IN MY IN MY WORK, IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, RETENTION IS SOMETHING WE WORRY ABOUT ALL THE TIME. SO I THINK YOU'RE HEARING TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING ATTENTION MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH. THIS ISN'T ENOUGH AS IT SITS. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK WE COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE MILLIONAIRE CONGRESS WE HAVE IN THE STATE OF IDAHO, THE RANCHERS AND THE FARMERS, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GET TO WORK ON THESE KIND OF BILLS. AND THINGS ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE CAPABLE OF GIVING THAT KIND OF TIME AND BE AWAY FROM THEIR WORK. AND SO YOU DO CREATE KIND OF A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE NOT HEARING FROM YOUNG FAMILIES, YOU'RE NOT HEARING FROM PROFESSIONALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO. BUT DON'T YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S OUR ROLE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN, THAT'S OUR ROLE IS TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY, TALKING TO THE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AND THE, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE, YEAH, THAT THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW I VIEW THAT ROLE IS, IS THAT I'M THE, THE GO BETWEEN THE GO BETWEEN. YEAH. YOU KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES AND THE VOTES YOU'VE TAKEN. RIGHT. LIKE YOUR EXPERIENCES DO HELP YOU DECIDE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DETERMINE THESE THINGS. RIGHT. THE POLITICAL SCIENCE LITERATURE DOES TALK ABOUT DOES THE ELECTED OFFICIAL LOOK LIKE ME? THIS IS WHERE MICHELLE STARTED HER COMMENTS. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU'VE GOT YOUR AVERAGE INCOME OR AVERAGE SOCIOECONOMIC, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR ELECTED CLASS UP HERE, THERE IS A GAP AND THERE IS DIFFERENT LIFE EXPERIENCE, DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS. SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY $12 A YEAR. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY HOME VALUE WITH THE WITH THE FOREGONE AND WITHOUT IT OR $18 A YEAR. SORRY IS MY WHERE I WHERE I FIT INTO THAT CHART. AND SOME PEOPLE SAY $18 A YEAR. THAT'S JUST A COUPLE CUPS OF COFFEE AT STARBUCKS.

OTHER PEOPLE SAY THAT'S GALLONS OF MILK. YEAH. AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T LIVED IT, YOU MAY NOT KNOW TO THINK LIKE THAT. SO THERE IS THERE IS SOME MERIT IN THE WHO DO WE LOOK LIKE OR WHO WHO DO THE OFFICIALS LOOK LIKE? AND YOU'RE NOT WRONG, LISA. WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE FEEDBACK. SO I YEAH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT JUST THIS WEEK. HOW CAN I GET MORE VOICES. BUT DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PARKING THING WAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE I JUST WASN'T IN THE RIGHT SPACES TO HEAR WHAT WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT. SO YOU'RE NOT WRONG THAT WE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO ALL THOSE VOICES AND TRY TO. NOBODY'S WRONG. SO DO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL? I THINK MICHELLE'S WITH THE. OH, SORRY.

NO, IT'S HARD. HARD TO GIVE YOURSELF A RAISE. YEAH. OH, YEAH. IN THIS YEAR, PARTICULARLY WITH THE BUDGET THE WAY IT IS. MICHELLE'S PROPOSAL, I THINK. YEAH, I THINK THE JOB HAS EXPANDED EVEN IN EIGHT YEARS, MUCH LESS. OH ONE HAS SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDED. I MEAN, WE TAKE A FULL DAY IN FEBRUARY TO DO COUNCIL PRIORITIES. THAT WAS NEVER THERE BEFORE. WE TAKE A DAY IN APRIL TO DO PRIORITIES AND WORKSHOP THE BUDGET, AND THEN WE DO ALL THE JULY DAYS.

THOSE ARE EVEN DUE UNDER MY EIGHT YEARS. SO I THINK THAT. ARRAYS MAKE SENSE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. I THINK MAYBE TODAY WE SHOULD COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE MAYOR THING TOO. BUT. THE

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THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING MAYBE 20 WITH THE RIGHT, BUT I THINK 21 IS FINE. MIKE HAD SOME INPUT, SO I LOOKED IT UP. THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS. THE OFFICIALS OF EACH CITY SHALL CONSIST OF A MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN WHOSE COMPENSATION SHALL BE FIXED BY ORDINANCE, PUBLISHED AT LEAST 75 DAYS BEFORE ANY GENERAL CITY ELECTION. WHICH ORDINANCE SHALL THEN BE EFFECTIVE FOR ALL OFFICIALS COMMENCING ON JANUARY 1ST, FOLLOWING SAID ELECTION, AND CONTINUING UNTIL CHANGED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION. SO YOU CANNOT REDUCE YOUR SALARY HALFWAY THROUGH. YOU CAN REDUCE IT. IT WON'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL THE JANUARY 1ST AFTER THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION. OKAY.

INTERESTING. I WASN'T IF THERE WAS CLARITY ON YOUR PART ON WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, IT DIDN'T TRANSLATE TO ME YET. I THINK SHE WAS SAYING 21,000, BUT DO IT OVER TWO YEARS. SO EXACTLY HALF.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. HALF FROM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE JANUARY 1ST, IF WE KEPT THE ORDINANCE THE SAME, IT WOULD GO UP BY 2.2%. SO INSTEAD OF GOING UP BY 2.2% AND GO HALFWAY FROM WHERE WE ARE TO 1 TO 21, AND THE NEXT YEAR IT WOULD BE REMOVING THAT, THE NEXT YEAR, AUTOMATIC.

THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY AUTOMATIC TWO THAT GOES AWAY. YOU JUST GIVE YOURSELF A 20% PAY RAISE.

BUT REMEMBER IT'S LIKE 20% PAY RAISE. AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF INFLATION. 23% IS WHAT WAGES WENT UP. AND THOSE 23% THE BUYING POWER WENT DOWN. SO WE'RE NOT ONLY THAT, WE'RE 20% FURTHER DOWN. THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT INFLATION. THIS IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE WORKLOAD HAS INCREASED AND THAT THE WORKLOAD IS EXTRAORDINARY COMPARED TO JUST LOOKING AT THE OPTICS OF THE POPULATION. I WAS GOING TO SAY, IN FIVE YEARS, I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A REELECTION CAMPAIGN, AND I'VE GOT TO GO DEFEND MYSELF, GIVING MYSELF A 20% PAY RAISE. I MEAN, THAT'S DIFFICULT.

I, I AGREE, AND I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER MY TENURE AND SAID, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK COUNCIL MAKES 30, 40,000. SO WHEN THEY FIND OUT WE MADE 10 OR 12,000, WHICH TEN IS WHERE WE STARTED? WHEN I CAME ON COUNCIL, THEY WERE NO ONE THINKS THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I'VE NEVER HAD SOMEONE SAY, BUT THEN THEY'RE TALKING TO ME, SO THEY DON'T PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO TELL ME THAT, BUT OKAY, I GET IT. BUT HAVING A PROPOSAL TO VOTE IF YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT. YOU COULD BREAK IT OVER THREE YEARS. YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT. THE PERCENTAGE NUMBER IS DIFFICULT, BUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS NOT. AND IT'S THE PERCENTAGE NUMBER IS PROBLEMATIC. AS WE DIDN'T EVER CATCH UP. WE JUST HAVEN'T EVER CUT. SO I'M SURE WHEN BOISE WENT TO THIS, THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING AT SOME POINT TO JUMP COUNCIL. THEY JUST WEREN'T TOUCHED. DURING THE MAYOR WAS ELECTED OFFICIAL WAGES WEREN'T TOUCHED DURING ALL OF THE VAGARIES OF THE OF THE COVID AND POST COVID. AND PREVIOUSLY, I'M NOT SURE THEY WERE TOUCHED MUCH IN THE MILLION YEARS OR THE YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A WHOLE GENERATION TIME WHERE THEY WERE NEVER TOUCHED. AND I'M I'M NOT UNSYMPATHETIC TOWARD THE IDEA OF RAISING IT. GET THE PROBLEM OF RAISING IT AN ELECTION YEAR. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU CAN. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE LIFE WE HAVE. IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR WHOEVER IS UP FOR REELECTION THAT YEAR. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT JOHN SAYS, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, A PERCENTAGE THAT JIM TALKED ABOUT AND THROW A FLAG. IF WE LIVE UNDER THAT SORT OF DAMOCLES FOR OUR WHOLE LIVES, WE'LL NEVER RAISE IT. YEAH. SO I'M BACK TO THE IDEA OF STAIR STEPPING. BECAUSE IT MAKES THE FIRST YEAR INSTEAD OF BEING WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, 20% OR 23% OR 30 COUNT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOW. NO, NO, THAT'S THAT HAS MERIT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT AT LEAST 20% PER YEAR FOR TWO YEARS. SO 40% INCREASE OVERALL. I JUST THINK THE PERCENTAGES THOUGH ARE BECAUSE WE WERE SO LOW. THE PERCENTAGES DON'T LOOK THAT BAD. IF YOU WEREN'T, IF YOU WERE BEING PAID. BROOKS, YOU CATCH MY YOU GET MY MATH AND I AND I, I DON'T IT IS IT'S A IT'S A 40% OKAY TO GO TO 21. I'M JOHN AND MICHELLE I UNDERSTAND I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T EITHER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING EMPLOYED AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME.

I AGREE WITH ALL I AGREE. I'M JUST SAYING I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT FROM HOW SOMEBODY ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKS AT IT, THEY'RE GOING TO GO, OH WOW, THAT'S A BIG RACE. WE DIDN'T GET THAT BIG RACE. I MEAN, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO SAY? I'M CERTAINLY

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ASK FOR THE 21,000 INDEPENDENTLY. THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE HONESTLY, I COULD LIVE ON WHAT WE HAVE, BUT I DO SPEND A LOT OF PERSONAL MONEY ON THIS, BUT THAT'S PART OF IT. IT'S PART OF A VOLUNTEER JOB, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. BUT THE TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE OTHER JOBS, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO THINK MAYBE THOSE KINDS OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALSO ON THE COUNCIL. YEAH, CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER INDEPENDENTLY. THEY DIDN'T TALK IT OVER. I DIDN'T TALK TO. SO THAT'S AN INTERESTING EMAIL IN MY MIND. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE A VARIETY OF PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THE POSITION. WELL LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING. I, YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT AGREE WITH THIS, I'M NOT GOING TO CRASH THE BUDGET OVER IT.

YEAH, RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THE BUDGET, BUT THIS IS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, WE CUT THE BUDGET PASSED, AND THEN NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE BUDGET. THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BUDGET THAT, I DON'T KNOW, JUST SEEMS KIND OF DISCONNECTED TO ME A LITTLE BIT. AND BUT IT'S TRUE. BUT IF I THINK OF THE TOTAL DOLLARS BY SPLITTING IT IN HALF. IT HALF, HALF A YEAR, THE ZOO EMPLOYEE. RIGHT. I MEAN, COMPARED TO THAT NUMBER, THAT MAKES SENSE. THE TOTAL DOLLARS TO RAISE IT AT 2600 OR WHATEVER IT COMES DOWN TO. YEAH, FOR ALL OF US TOGETHER, DOESN'T EVEN AMOUNT TO A HALF. A EMPLOYEE AT THE ZOO THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO THE TOTAL DOLLARS ARE NOT HUGE, RIGHT? YOU SAID MICHELLE. MICHELLE, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? I THINK I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT ON JIM FRANCIS'S COMMENT THAT REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS DIVERSITY. I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIKE, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE EMPLOYED HAVE, YOU KNOW, SAME SLASH SIMILAR PROPOSALS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, DO PEOPLE IN THEIR 30S AND 40S AND 50S BRING VALUE TO OUR COUNCIL? WELL, I THINK SO. BUT THE WAY THAT THINGS HAVE BEEN IS, AGAIN, THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE TO BE INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY OR, OR OR SACRIFICE AT A LEVEL THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING LESS AND LESS PEOPLE INTERESTED IN DOING. SO. I WOULD ALSO SEE COUNCIL ELECTIONS WITH 6 OR 7 PEOPLE RUNNING FOR THESE SEATS, YOU GUYS. SO I WOULD ALSO ADD

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SPEAKING OF WHO LOOKS LIKE ME, NOT ME, BUT YOU KNOW WHO LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE ELSE. YOU WANT. YOU WANT THAT DIVERSITY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION. I THINK WE LET'S DO WHAT YOU SAID AND THEN VOTE IT DOWN OR GET IT UP, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE AND WELL, WE CAN DO A STRAW POLL, THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN AND OR SOME ADJUSTMENT. MICHELLE, ARE YOU A THUMBS UP OR A DOWN ON THE TWO YEAR TO 21? YES, I'M A THUMBS UP. YES. THUMBS UP. I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY MORE. I WAS WAITING TO BE ASKED. YEAH, YOU'RE NOT VOTING? NO, NO. JUST EXPRESSING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE HOW CLOSE WE ARE. KURT, I DON'T REMEMBER THIS BEING ON THE JOB DESCRIPTION. JUST REMEMBER, IT CAN BE VOTED DOWN AT NEXT. THESE ARE THESE ARE. BUT TO JIM'S POINT, ARE YOU GOING TO BLOW UP THE BUDGET OVER I MEAN NO IT'S NOT. WOULD THIS BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION OR WOULD IT BE THE BUDGET. THIS WOULD COME AS AN ORDINANCE. YEAH. TO VOTE ON IT AS A SEPARATE ITEM. YES. OKAY. I SEE WHERE THAT'S WHERE YOU LIKE IT. YEAH. EXPECTATION COULD BE THAT THIS THEN COMES OUT OF THAT UNALLOCATED. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT. YES. OKAY. BY THE END OF THE. YEAH. OKAY. SO BACK TO THE MAYOR. SO AND SAME THING. THEY JUST SPLIT IT UP OVER TWO YEARS. YEAH. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE MAYOR'S SALARY. WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WRAP UP THE COUNCIL. OKAY. SO WE DID A STRAW POLL. MICHELLE SAID YES. KURT GAVE A VERY INTENSIVE THUMBS UP. JIM FRANCIS, ARE YOU A UP AND DOWN FOR THE COUNCIL? YEAH. I'M A COUNSELOR. YEAH. AND SO I THINK OKAY, COUNCILOR FREEMAN I'M NOT. NO, NO, IT LOOKS LIKE A42. WOULD IT SWEETEN THE POT IF YOU WENT OVER THREE YEARS RATHER THAN TWO YEARS? WOULD THAT STILL, I'M STILL NOT VERY FAVORABLE. SO I THINK YOU LOSE IT IF THERE'S NO EITHER WAY. YEAH. IT'S NO EITHER WAY THAN IT'S NOT WORTH TALKING ABOUT. I SUPPOSE. THEN YOU LOSE TO INFLATION OVER THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING. I. OKAY, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THREE YEARS. I KNOW I VOTED YES, BUT IF IT WAS DECIDED TO PUT THEM OVER THREE INSTEAD OF TWO, I WOULD STILL BE A YES. I'D STILL BE A YES IF YOU WANT TO COMPROMISE, COUNCILOR FREEMAN. ALL RIGHT. YOU DON'T NEED ME. YOU DON'T NEED ME. YEAH, I KNOW WE DON'T NEED YOU. AND THINGS COULD STILL BE MODIFIED ON THURSDAY NIGHT.

IF YOU HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAY YES, YOU NEED A HIGHER. YOU NEED TO ATTRACT HIGHER QUALITY AND RETAIN HIGH QUALITY. OR WHO'S HERE WHO SAY YOU'RE NOT REALLY CONSIDERING GIVING YOURSELF A RAISE OF THAT MUCH. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HEAR ALL KINDS OF THINGS BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY NIGHT. SO BUT THE RESOLUTION THAT WE COME BEFORE YOU WOULD BE THIS VERSION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. AND IF I CAN JUST REPEAT THE VERSION SO I MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE IT CORRECTLY, COUNCIL WOULD MOVE TO 21,000 EFFECTIVE JANUARY JANUARY OF 2027. HALF OF THAT WOULD COME JANUARY 26TH. THE OTHER HALF WOULD COME JANUARY 27TH. OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO ADD A PIECE INTO THAT RESOLUTION ABOUT THE MAYOR'S SALARY? OR SOMETHING SIMILAR? I KNOW THAT THE CURRENT PERSON RUNNING ISN'T NECESSARILY IN FAVOR, BUT I DO THINK IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MANAGE PEOPLE LIKE A GENERAL MANAGER OF POWER AND YOU'RE GOING TO MANAGE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF AN EXPERT SALARY OR SO. I, I SUPPORT GETTING TO 125 OVER THE TWO YEARS OF THE 12, THE 12 TO 12,000 PER TO GET THERE. BUT THAT'S JUST MY SENSE OF IT. IT I JUST GO GO LOOK AT LINKEDIN, GO LOOK AT ANY GO START LOOKING FOR

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THERE WAS A MISCUE BUT THAT CAME FROM HIM DIRECTLY. YEAH. SO INSTEAD OF A PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT THEY HAVE PARKS DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE A RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THAT'S STREET DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE A SANITATION DEPARTMENT. THEY. YEAH. SO IF I WILL JUST SAY THAT 125 IS VERY ATTRACTIVE NUMBER, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT HIGH. ANY INCREASE IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN NOTHING. AND IT COULD BE SPREAD OUT OVER MORE YEARS. KIRK'S WAS SEVEN OVER THREE YEARS, BUT IT COULD EVEN BE JUST GIVING IT UP TO 112 OR 115 WOULD, I THINK, HELP TO MAKE IT MORE COMPETITIVE. THE WHOLE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN SERVING IN 12 BUDGET YEARS, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT HAS BEEN ALWAYS LESS THAN THE DIRECTORS, AS FAR AS I CAN RECALL. I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE EVER HAD A DIRECTOR MAKE LESS THAN THERE, BUT I COULD BE A LITTLE OFF ON A COUPLE STARTING SALARIES. WHEN I FIRST CAME IN, WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING AT SALARIES AS INTENTLY IN THAT FIRST YEAR. WELL, I HAVE TO SAY, COMING INTO THIS, I WAS DEAD SET ON CHANGING THE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN NOT DOING IT. IF THE REQUIREMENTS WEREN'T CHANGED. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN ATTRACTIVE IDEA UNTIL COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER SAID IT WAS UP TO THE VOTERS. IT'S ALWAYS UP TO THE VOTERS. AND THAT I KNOW, BUT WE DID WRITE A CONSTITUTION. YOU HAVE TO BE 35 TO BE PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE TO BE 25 TO BE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT IT AND GET IT INTO THE ORDINANCE. YEAH, I'VE TALKED TO THE LEGISLATURE. WHAT? CHANGE OF VIEWS HERE FROM EARLIER TODAY. BUT WHAT IF IT'S A 125,000 OVER THREE YEARS? ESSENTIALLY. KIRK'S PROPOSAL. HERE, WHATEVER THAT IS, 7500 BUCKS A YEAR OR WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE. AND THE INTERESTING PERCENTAGE IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN JUST TALKED ABOUT. YEAH, I KNOW IF YOU GO WITH PERCENTAGES, BUT IT'S DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND THE COUNCIL THING STILL WEIGHS HEAVY. I DON'T KNOW ROUGHLY. IT'S 154,000 BOISE. AND THEN MERIDIAN'S 119. IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS 3930 GOING TO GO TO 139 BY 2025. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO GET TO AT LEAST ONE POINT, ONE POINT 125 OVER THREE YEARS. YEAH. MY MEMORY, BUT THIS IS JUST PAYING ATTENTION FROM AFAR AT TIMES WAS MAYOR MILAM

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NO INSURANCE. NO. YOU KNOW, AND I DID THAT FOR TEN YEARS AND WAS SELF-EMPLOYED. I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE I'M NOT EMPLOYED, I AM I RUN YOU HAVE A LOT TO DO. DENTAL OFFICE LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL OF THAT FINANCES. WE HAVE DONE THAT. SO I GUESS THERE IS JUST THAT OTHER PART THAT SAYS, LIKE OUR DIRECTORS ARE WELL PAID AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GO VERY OFTEN AGAINST WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, OR WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE SLICE PRODUCT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE THINKING. I JUST DON'T THINK WE WOULD SAY, OH, WE DISAGREE. WE'VE BEEN NOW EDUCATED BEYOND ANY DIRECTOR TO REALLY DISAGREE. I THINK THAT THERE'S GOOD COLLABORATION. BUT AS FAR AS WHAT WE ACTUALLY ARE PAYING THEM, I, I JUST TEND TO FEEL LIKE THIS THE ORDINANCE ALREADY APPLIES FOR AN INCREASE. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST STATING IT BACK OUT THERE THAT THAT I DON'T IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LIKE TO SAY, WELL, WE NEED A JOB. SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS A JOB, WHO WHO WANTS TO SUPPORT SHOULD BE IT'S SO ATTRACTIVE THAT THAT IT'S JUST A JOB. RIGHT? IT'S GOT TO BE IT'S GOT TO BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT IN A PERSON'S HEART BECAUSE IT'LL IT'LL NEVER BE ENOUGH. YEAH. FOR THAT JOB. THAT'S TRUE. BUT WHAT IT SHOULDN'T DO IS TURN YOU OFF, RIGHT? YEAH. YES. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT POINT AS WELL. TO TURN YOU OFF IS ALSO NOT A GOOD. SO THERE'S A SWEET SPOT IN THERE SOMEWHERE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND TO ME, IF BOISE'S AT 150 AND THE MERIDIAN IS GOING TO BE 130 US AT 120 SOMETHING, MAKES SOME SENSE FOR THE COMPLEXITY OF WHERE WE ARE. IT JUST DOES, BECAUSE OF OUR FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. AND. IT'S JUST THE SIZE OF OUR BUDGET. YEAH. OKAY. SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CONSENSUS? ONE 125 WHERE ARE WE GOING? I THINK YOU DO. THE MAYOR'S OVER THREE. THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE. YOU'VE GOT TO GET TO 125 BY ONE OH 28. OKAY. SO MOVE IT TO 125, SPREAD OUT OVER THREE YEARS, EVENLY DISTRIBUTED, STARTING EACH JANUARY. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. WE'VE GOT. WE'LL JUST DO IT. JUST DO THE SAME AS ARTICLE TWO. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'S A THUMBS DOWN ON THAT PROPOSAL. YEAH OKAY. MICHELLE. NO I THAT WORKS FOR ME OKAY. SO YOU'LL SEE RESOLUTIONS THEN TO THIS IF NOT ORDINANCES TO THIS EFFECT ON THURSDAY. AND THOSE CAN BE AMENDED. THERE CAN BE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BUT THOSE WILL BE ON THE AGENDA. AND I THINK THEN DOES THAT TAKE US TO 11 ITEMS. NO, THAT ONE IS ALREADY ON THERE. JUST WAITING. WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO BE ATTACHED. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN IS THE UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW ANYWAY THAT THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE 109 THE NUMBERS AREN'T FUNNY, BUT THAT THE, THAT PORTION THAT IS ALREADY ONGOING, IT'S GOT TO BE ONGOING. THERE'S NO OTHER WAY. YEAH. I MEAN, OKAY, THEN BROOKS IS MAKING A NOTE THERE, BUT THE ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNTS WILL HAVE TO PICK UP FROM THE MATH THAT'S DONE IN THE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. FROM KAREN AND FROM YOUR QUESTION. YES, THIS MIGHT BE EMILY. WHEN DO YOU NEED THE UPDATED ORDINANCE? NO LATER THAN TOMORROW AT. I SAY 4:00. OKAY, OKAY. THE SOONER THE BETTER THOUGH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THING HOLDING UP THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA PACKAGE. OH, AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THERE'S A HITCH THAT CAUSES A THREE HOUR DELAY IN RUNNING IT. SO THAT'S WHY I ASSUME THE CLOCK, NOT FIVE. OKAY. THANK

[Mayor, City Council]

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AND I HAVE A FEW THINGS, A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT I WILL MAKE. PAST TWO OF THESE OVER TO MARGARET AND EMILY WHEN YOU GET OVER THAT WAY. AND. I'LL PASS THESE DOWN, I MAILED THIS EMAILED THIS TO YOU. CAN YOU GET CAN I GET. AND SO VERY QUICKLY THEN FOR THURSDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING AS YOU KNOW THEN WE HAVE TEN ITEMS THREE CONSENT, SEVEN ARE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. AND OF THE SEVEN FOUR OF THEM ARE HEARINGS, FEE HEARINGS FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THEN FOREGONE AND THEN FOREGONE CAPITAL AND THEN BUDGET. WE WILL PROBABLY TRY TO HAVE A SIGN UP SHEET FOR TESTIMONY, SO THAT THERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ORDERLY FLOW TO THAT COMMENTARY. IN ADDITION, AT THAT MEETING, I'M TOLD THAT WE MAY HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE THERE WHO ARE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING FEE. AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT JUST ABOUT AN HOUR AGO, WE WILL TRY TO CLARIFY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAT WHILE THE PARKING FEE IS LISTED IN THE FEE. RESOLUTION, IT IS OUR INTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FINAL VERSION OF WHATEVER GETS PASSED RIGHT THAT HAS BEEN DELAYED. IT WILL BE IT'S WE MIGHT LET THEM KNOW WE HAD TO PUBLISH IT FOR, YOU KNOW, IN ADVANCE. RIGHT. SO BUT THAT WILL BE EXPLAINED AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL MAYBE CAUSE A FEW PEOPLE ANYWAY TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO WAIT FOR THE HEARING TO TESTIFY BECAUSE SHE MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. I CAN LEAVE. SO WE'LL SEE IF THAT HELPS. SO FEW PEOPLE USE THEIR TIME MORE, MORE TO BE MORE INFORMED ABOUT HOW THEY USE THEIR TIME. NORMALLY, WE HAVE SCHEDULED TIME FOR THE COUNCIL TO MEET TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT THEY MIGHT LEARN IN THE HEARING AND DETERMINE IF THAT CAUSES YOU TO WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. GIVEN THE DISCUSSION TODAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH WITHSTAND WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THURSDAY'S MEETING, BUT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE SCHEDULED THE MEETING, AND THEN WE'VE DETERMINED THAT ON ON THAT NIGHT, ON THURSDAY NIGHT, DETERMINED THAT AFTER THE HEARING IS CLOSED, THAT YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR IT. AND THEN WE CANCEL IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE COULD DO. OR YOU COULD SAY WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO MEET ON FRIDAY, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE THE OPTION OF HAVING A BUDGET DISCUSSION ON THE WORK SESSION COMING UP IN TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW YOU TO STILL HAVE SOME CONVERSATION BEFORE YOU GO INTO YOUR FINAL ADOPTION. TWO WEEKS FROM THURSDAY, SO WE COULD ACCOMPLISH WHATEVER WE WERE GOING TO DO ON FRIDAY IN THE IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION, IF YOU WOULD PREFER THAT. AND WE COULD JUST FOREGO MESSING AROUND WITH POSTING ANYTHING FOR FRIDAY. THAT'S MY PREFERENCE IS TO HAVE IT AT THE WORK SESSION. YEAH, WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD ENOUGH TO MAKE IT A WHOLE DAY. WE'VE NEVER HAD TO SCHEDULE AND HAVE A MEETING FOR A FIVE MINUTE DISCUSSION. BUT BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT A REGULAR TO TURN AROUND AND HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION. I THINK IT'S JUST BETTER TO HAVE IT AT OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED WORK SESSION TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING. I THINK THE IDEA WAS THAT IT WOULD BE FRESH IN YOUR MIND AND NOT JUST THE CONTENT, WHICH MAYBE SOME OF THE EMOTION, SO THAT YOU COULD REALLY PUT THAT TO USE. BUT THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING THAT THAT YOU COULDN'T ACCOMPLISH THERE THAT YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH THERE, THAT YOU COULDN'T ALSO DO AT THE WORK SESSION. BUT I THINK MAKING IT PUBLIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN THE WORK SESSION WHEN YOU SPEAK OR BECAUSE THE BAD LOOK IS HI, I CAME, I MADE MY COMMENTS, BUT THEY ALREADY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO AND THEY DIDN'T MAKE MAKE ANY TIME TO EVEN DISCUSS WHAT I SAID. AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF TIMES TO CHANGE THE BUDGET BASED ON THE TESTIMONY THAT CAME TO HERE.

YES, I DO THINK THE PRINCIPLE THAT WE HAVE A MEETING BETWEEN THE HEARING AND THE BUDGET PASSING IS CRITICAL. I JUST THINK WE CAN DO IT AT A WORK SESSION. I'M GLAD TO DO IT IN A WORK SESSION AND MAKE MORE SENSE. THE FIRST ONE IS THE 25TH. THAT WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BE SURE WE HAVE A BUDGET ITEM OR BUDGET DISCUSSION. OKAY.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THE ONE ON FRIDAY THEN. YES. WELL WHAT WE WILL DO IS JUST NOT POST IT OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE LEGALLY BOUND. IT'S NOT ONE OF OUR STATUTORY MEETINGS. SO WE'RE OFF THE HOOK ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE THIRD BULLET POINT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS CALENDAR ITEM. I HAVE TO CONSIDERATION. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT JUST INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE USS IDAHO FOLKS. THE GENTLEMAN WHO MADE THE ALL OF A SUDDEN HIS NAME IS ESCAPING ME. RICHARD. YES, RICHARD. THANK YOU. RICHARD COLBURN, THAT THEY

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THANK YOU. SO PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY ALSO TO GET THE CELEBRATION MAPPED OUT THAT WILL HAVE TO COMMEMORATE SWITCHING OVER FROM OLD TO NEW, AND THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE PINNED DOWN BY THE TIME WE MEET AGAIN IN WORK SESSION, IF NOT SOONER. WE'LL GET THOSE DATES AND MARKED UP ON YOUR CALENDAR AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. SOMEONE DID ASK, IS IT SEPTEMBER WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH OVER OCTOBER? I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'LL GET THAT ANSWER TO YOU JUST BECAUSE. BUT IT'S NOT NOW. WE'RE NOT WATERING. WE HAVE NOT DE-WATERED THE CURRENT TOWER, BECAUSE ONCE WE DO, WE HAVE TO START TAKING IT APART. BECAUSE ONCE IT'S EMPTY, IT IS DANGEROUS ON A WINDY DAY, OR AT LEAST UNDESIRABLE TO BE LEFT EMPTY. THEN I ALSO WANTED TO JUST MENTION THAT OPEN ENROLLMENT STARTED TODAY. SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN MAKING CHANGES TO THEIR BENEFITS COVERAGE, ANYBODY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BY SEPTEMBER 12TH. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT MAKING CHANGES, IT'S GOOD YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO. I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE RE-UPPED, CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS. I THINK IT'S IN IT'S IN THE MEMO, THOUGH, THAT THERE'S AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT. YEAH. IT'S LIKE HOW MUCH YOU PUT ASIDE IN ADDITION TO HSA AND THOSE THINGS. YEAH, YEAH. SO READ THE MEMO THAT CAME OUT TODAY. I THINK THERE WAS A MEMO AND A REMINDER. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW OTHER THAN I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, ALSO A PRESS RELEASE THAT WAS PUT OUT BY CONGRESSMAN SIMPSON'S OFFICE TODAY. AND IT JUST IS SAYING OR HIGHLIGHTING THE.

EARMARK OR THIS $12 MILLION. AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU, BECAUSE ONE WOULD THINK THAT IF HE THOUGHT IT WAS IN JEOPARDY OF NOT BEING FAITHFULLY CONSIDERED, HE WOULDN'T PUT THIS OUT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED THAT THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL PASS. IT JUST MEANS THAT HE'S FEELING PRETTY GOOD ABOUT HIS EFFORT TO GET IT OUT THERE.

RIGHT? SO WE DON'T WANT TO OVERREAD ANYTHING INTO THIS, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN TAKE HEART THAT AT LEAST OUR CONGRESSMAN THINKS THAT IT'S STILL WORTH TOUTING. SO THAT'S A BIT OF A POSITIVE.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LISA FOR ANY ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SHE MAY WANT TO MAKE, AND WE'LL JUST WORK OUR WAY AROUND JUST THE DUCK RACE. SO MORE THAN 28,000 DUCKS. IT WAS WHEN I LEFT. IT WAS 27. 554 OKAY. 27 554 I THINK WE GOT PRETTY CLOSE TO 28. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THE DUCK RACE, THAT'S NOW OVER $7 MILLION THAT THEY'VE RAISED FOR THE IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE RIVER. I THINK THAT THEY ARE DEFINITELY A GROUP THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE ON THE RIVER CORRIDOR. AND I THINK IT MATCHES WELL WITH. COUNCIL PRIORITY OF IMPROVEMENT ALONG 7.5 MILLION AND 1.5 MILLION DUCKS ARE SOLD TO GET TO. SO THERE'S 1.5 MILLION DUCKS IN IN THAT RIVER. IT WAS A FAST RACE BECAUSE AMERICAN FALLS HAS CALLED FOR WATER. SO WE WERE RUNNING AT LEAST 20%, IF NOT MORE, FASTER WATER OVER THE FALLS. SO IT IT WENT BACK TO A LOT OF DUCKS THAT I MEAN REALLY QUICK, REALLY DIRTY TO THE FACTS THAT WERE BROUGHT IN. THEY WERE COVERED WITH ALL KINDS OF THINGS. IT WAS NOT GOOD. SO I MEAN, IT WAS A GREAT DUCK RACE, BUT IT IT WAS A FAST START. I WAS THERE AS THE PRIZE WINNER. PHONE CALLS WERE BEING MADE AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE PERSON WHO WON THE CAR NEEDS THE CAR JUST LIKE LAST YEAR. OH, NICE. RATHER HEARTWARMING. SO YEAH, WE'LL MORE WILL BE REVEALED. BUT ONE ONE PERSON HAD JUST BOUGHT THEMSELVES SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD WON. AND SO THEY SAID DONATE IT. AND THEY DONATED IT TO A 501 C3, WHICH WAS ALSO KIND OF LOVELY. SO SOME GOOD THINGS WERE HAPPENING. WELL, THAT WAS ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS. IT WAS REALLY SHORT. IT WAS SHORT YEARS PAST THAT. BUT IT'S GOOD FOR GENERATION OUR GENERATION.

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I HAD 2 OR 3 PEOPLE ASK ME, OH, CAN WE JUST TAKE ONE? SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH WE PAY. I KNOW WE HAVEN'T PAID, BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, THEY'RE TEN BUCKS EACH, YOU KNOW, CASH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE PAY. I'M SURE THERE'S A PERCENTAGE THEY PUT INTO IT.

YEAH. I ALSO WONDER IF WE DON'T COLLECT MOST OF THEM AT THE DAM. I MEAN, THE LAST TURBINE. YEAH, I'M SURE WE HAVE THEM. THEY MAY GET MUNCHED UP. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL FREEMAN, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? LISA BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER, AND I JUST THOUGHT I'D MENTION IT AGAIN. IS THAT KIRK AND I WERE IN LIAISON POLICE TODAY, AND WE. WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THE STREET RACING GOING ON, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. AND SO JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW CAPTAIN MARLEY IS WORKING ON THIS ACTIVELY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. WE KNOW.

BUT THIS LAST ACCIDENT THAT THIS YOUNG MAN GOT KILLED ON 17TH STREET THIS LAST WEEK HAS REALLY BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT. SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO WANT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND I WANT TO ASSURE THEM THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AVENUES TO TRY TO GET THIS UNDER CONTROL. IT FEELS LIKE EVEN WHEN YOU'RE CROSSING THE STREET, SOMEONE IS TRYING TO GET LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS AND IT'S LIKE, YOU CAN'T EVEN TIME STREET CROSSING ACCURATELY BECAUSE HERE COMES SOMEBODY AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, THEY WERE HERE FAST. I MEAN, IT JUST IT REALLY FEELS VERY MUCH OUT OF CONTROL RIGHT NOW. THE NOISE IS A BIG PART OF THAT. YES. TO JIM'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST PASSED A NOISE ORDINANCE. SO YEAH, WE WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW WE CAN APPLY THAT TO THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ON THE SPOT NOISE METERS THAT IT'S A IT'S AGAINST THE ORDINANCE TO MODIFY YOUR NUMBER. SO IT'S NOT THERE ISN'T EVEN A SOUND COMPONENT THAT THEY NEED TO PROVE ON IT. THEY JUST WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO PROVE IS THAT THEY MODIFIED THE CAR TO MAKE EXCESSIVE RUNS. WHAT ABOUT ROLLING COAL? THAT'S THE OTHER ONE. THAT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE AGAINST EPA REGULATIONS I KNOW OF RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT TO US ON BICYCLES, ON A BICYCLE OR PEDESTRIANS. WHAT IS THE PHRASE YOU'RE USING? ROLLING COAL. SO THEY LITERALLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO STOMP ON THE GAS ON A DIESEL TRUCK AND IT POURS OUT BLACK SMOKE. INTENTIONAL. YEAH, RIGHT. YOU'RE FACE RIGHT WITH THE BRAKE IS ON TOO. YEAH. OKAY. ANYWAY, SO JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DEAF TO WHAT'S GOING ON. WE'RE WE'RE NOT AS SIMPLE AS ONE PATROLMAN THAT SETS UP A RIGHT. IT'S. AND THE POLICE ARE NOT IGNORING THE PROBLEM UNTIL JUST RECENTLY. AND NOW IT'S A GIGANTIC ISSUE. IT'S JUST GONE FROM 0 TO 60 IN NO TIME AT ALL. SORRY. THAT WAS TERRIBLE JOKE. SORRY. EVERYBODY OKAY? BUT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. SO DID PART OF THE POLICE DISCUSSION INCLUDE? IF YOU WANT MORE ENFORCEMENT HERE, YOU GOT TO PULL. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT LESS ENFORCEMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. YEAH. I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I KNOW THAT.

I MEAN, WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION A MONTH OR SO AGO ABOUT THIS, TOO. THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE LOOKING AT. WHAT THE HELL WAS IT? EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. I'VE LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT NOW, BUT JESSICA'S LOOKING AT A VARIETY OF THINGS, AND SHE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS. YEAH. CAPTAIN MARLEY, CAN WE EVEN VIDEO IT? LIKE, WHAT IS THE. WELL, I ASKED MIKE THAT QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PEDESTRIANS, THE PLATE READERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WAS IT WAS IT USING THE CAMERAS TO CREATE PROBABLE CAUSE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT? JUST SO WE CAN TRACK THESE PEOPLE AND TRY TO GET AN IDEA OF WHO THEY ARE AT LEAST. OH, THEY INFILTRATED THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE. THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS. THE POLICE WERE ABLE TO INFILTRATE THE GROUP, RIGHT? THAT THEY THEY POST THIS STUFF ONLINE ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE RACING TONIGHT. RIGHT. THEY HAVE A YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE INVITED INTO THE

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OKAY. THEY CAN'T BE USED. CAN'T BE USED TO WRITE A TICKET. YEAH. SO YOU CAN USE THEM FOR ACCIDENT RECONSTRUCTION AND YOU CAN USE THEM FOR TRAFFIC FLOW MONITORING, BUT NOT IF YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR EVIDENCE IN A CRIMINAL CASE UNLESS WE GET THE LAW MODIFIED. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR LEGISLATURE NEEDS SOME EDUCATION ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN ONE YEAR TO GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND HOW VALUABLE THIS IS, AND THAT IT'S NOT BIG BROTHER SURVEILLANCE, THAT THIS IS ACTIVE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO INTERJECT ON THAT, PLEASE. I DON'T THINK OUR LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE A REALLY GOOD TIME WITH THAT BECAUSE OTHER STATES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT STREET LIGHT CAMERAS, ARE CAMERAS OFF ON THE SIDE THAT WILL CATCH YOUR CAR WITH SPEEDING AND STUFF THAT'S BEEN FOUND TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN OTHER STATES. SO UTAH HAS TRIED IT AND IT'S BEEN TAKEN OUT. ARIZONA TRIED IT, IT'S GONE. SO I THINK THE REAL ISSUE WITH A LOT OF THESE THINGS IS THE CONFRONTATION CLAUSE. THAT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL IN CRIMINAL. SO THAT'S WHY PASSIVE DETECTION IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSERS. BUT IF YOU JUST GIVE US A LICENSE PLATE THAT WE CAN THEN FOLLOW UP ON AND SAY, WE OBSERVED THIS BEHAVIOR, YOU WANT TO NOTICE OR SOMETHING? IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A REALLY GOOD SILVER BULLET SOLUTION TO IT, APART FROM HAVING BOOTS ON THE GROUND ENFORCING THE LAW, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. AND CITIZENS CAN ALWAYS TAKE VIDEO BECAUSE THEY CAN THEN, YEAH, TESTIFY AND AUTHENTICATE THE VIDEO THAT THEY'VE TAKEN. AND WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE UNHAPPY, AND OUR OFFICE INVITES THEM TO COLLECT THE EVIDENCE AND THEY'LL BRING US THE EVIDENCE. WE WILL PURSUE THE CASE. AND WE HAVE DONE THAT. WE'VE HAD SUCCESS IN CHARGING FOLKS WITH SPEEDING WHEN THERE WAS NO POLICE OFFICER AROUND, SPEEDING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND WITH A CELL PHONE CAMERA.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE POLICE TO FIGURE OUT WHO THAT PERSON WAS DRIVING, HAD THE WITNESS THAT REALIZED IT TAKES SOMEBODY FRIDAY OUT OF COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY GOT TO SHOW UP IN COURT AND TESTIFY. BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS IN HAVING CITIZEN LED ENFORCEMENT.

AND IF A CITIZEN IS OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, THEY CAN COME DOWN TO OUR OFFICE AND MEET WITH US. WE WILL MEET WITH THEM AND WE'LL TELL THEM WHAT WE NEED. WE WILL LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE GOT. IF IT'S ENOUGH, WE CHARGE THE CROWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE THAT. SO THERE'S THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE STILL I THINK SO.

GOOD TO KNOW. GOOD TO KNOW, COUNSELOR RICK. YEAH I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING. WADE IS BEEN WORKING THROUGH SOME THINGS THAT WE'LL HEAR ABOUT, BUT AND THEN THE LIBRARY WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT. SO THOSE ARE MY ASSIGNMENTS. OKAY, COUNSELOR? FRANCIS, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

OKAY, COUNSELOR LARSON. NOTHING. ALL RIGHT. AND, MICHELLE. JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE TO. IF YOU HAVEN'T YET, TO GET YOUR HEALTHY MEASURES. WELLNESS EXAM DONE, THERE'S A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE IF YOU'RE ON OUR PLAN. BUT ALSO, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE WHERE YOUR HEALTH LEVELS ARE AT. SO HIGHLY ENCOURAGE OUR CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ON OUR PLAN TO GET INTO THE DOCTOR THIS YEAR. THEY HAVE UNTIL THE END OF AUGUST. THAT'S CORRECT. TO RECEIVE THE. YEAH, AUGUST 31ST. YEAH. SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. AND JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, THAT FAMILY CLINIC ON ALLEN, IT'S RUN BY THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL OF IDAHO. THEY ACTUALLY IF SOMEONE GOES THERE TO GET THEIR WELLNESS EXAM THROUGH INSURANCE THEY CAN THEY'LL MAKE MONEY. SO IT'S A SOCIAL ENTERPRISE SO THAT THE NONPROFIT COMMUNITY COUNCIL OF IDAHO WOULD MAKE MONEY. PEOPLE GO, AND THAT'S WHAT I DO. SO JUST VERY QUICKLY, A FEW OTHER SUMMARY ITEMS. WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING FOR POWER ON MONDAY OR WEDNESDAY. WE ALSO HAVE THURSDAY MORNING. ALL OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN INVITED TO A MEETING THAT DOE IS HOSTING. TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS HIGH BURN UP NUCLEAR USE OR SPENT NUCLEAR FUEL THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT INTO WHAT DAY IS IT? THAT'S THURSDAY, AND THAT WILL BE HELD OUT AT. C-3. I THINK IT'S CALLED C-3. IT'S THE COMPUTER. IF YOU

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RIGHT. IT'S ONE FURTHER, ONE CLOSER TO THE RIVER. I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE BUILDING I WANTED TO REFERENCE, BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT IS IN YOUR EMAIL IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT. IF SO, THERE'S THAT. WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING ON THURSDAY WITH THE BUDGET HEARINGS. AS WE TALKED ABOUT ON FRIDAY, WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT BUDGET MEETING. SO YOU CAN CROSS THAT OFF THIS LITTLE CALENDAR LIST I GAVE YOU. BUT ALSO FRIDAY AT I THINK 11 OR 1130 IS THE AIRPORT'S ANNUAL TENANT BARBECUE, WHERE THEY DO INVITE TO THE GAY COMMUNITY TO COME AND HAVE A BURGER OR A HOT DOG ON. AND THERE'S USUALLY SOME GREAT CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE WHO LOVE THE AIRPORT OR WHO CARE ABOUT THE AIRPORT WHILE YOU'RE THERE. SO DO SHOW UP. I SPOKE TO MY FLIGHT THROUGH TO CHICAGO. OH YES, THE CHICAGO FLIGHT IS GETTING PEOPLE. LAST WEEK, CATHERINE AND I BOTH HAD TO GO TO A MEETING IN DC. SHE LEFT AN HOUR LATER THAN I DID AND ARRIVED IN DC TWO HOURS BEFORE I DID BECAUSE SHE WENT THROUGH THAT LINK. SO IT IS A QUICKER SHOT BACK EAST. ALSO LAST WEEK, I THINK SOME OF YOU I SAW YOU THERE WERE AT THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, BUT GREAT SPOT THAT THEY CHOSE AT THE PARK. VERY VISIBLE AND BEAUTIFUL SHADE BECAUSE THEY TIMED IT RIGHT TO RIGHT THAT TIME OF DAY. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. I SAW A LOT OF GOOD, GOOD, GOOD THINGS HAPPENING. SO THE CITY CONTINUES TO BE, I THINK, A GREAT PLACE TO BE. AND WITH THAT, THANK

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.