Aug 05, 2025 Planning Commission

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7:00. THAT ONE'S OFF. SO I'M GOING TO GO. THANKS FOR JOINING US. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME TO OUR

[Call to Order]

[Minutes: July 01, 2025]

[1. CUP25-011: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT for an electronic message sign at Falls Valley Elementary School. A portion of Lot 2, Lot 3, Block 16, East View Addition Division No. 2. Located north of Virlow Street, east of Eastview Drive, south of Eastview Drive, and west of N 25th East.²]

FIRST WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST. MY APOLOGIES. APPLICANT. GO AHEAD. RYAN BAILEY WITH CENTRAL FALLS VALLEY ELEMENTARY WANTS TO PUT AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE. CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS TO BAILEY? YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND ADDRESS? YOU CAN USE SOME PUBLIC ADDRESS IF YOU WANT. YEAH. BAILEY WHITEHEAD, IT'S 2274 WEST HERITAGE CIRCLE, IDAHO FALLS.

TWO. SO YEAH. FALLS VALLEY ELEMENTARY, THEY WANT TO PUT A LED DISPLAY ON THE NORTH END OF THEIR BUILDING TO ADVERTISE TO PARENTS DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP THEIR KIDS. IT'S A SINGLE SIDE WALL SIGN. AND. OVERALL SIZE OF THE SIGN IS. THE LED DISPLAY WILL BE 36IN BY 72IN, AND THEN THE TOP PORTION IS GOING TO BE 18IN TALL BY 72IN WIDE, AND THAT TOP PORTION WILL BE STATIC. OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE FOR US? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK ONE THING I WOULD ADD ACTUALLY, IS THAT THE NEAREST PROPERTY IS ABOUT 490FT AWAY FROM THE SIGN. OKAY.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THERE ANY IDEA OF THE LUMENS THAT EMIT FROM THE SIGN? IT'S GOT A SELF-ADJUSTING PHOTOCELL ON IT. SO AT NIGHT THE SIGN WILL DIM. DURING THE DAY THE SIGN WILL BE BRIGHTER AND IT ADJUSTS THE LIGHT AROUND IT. SO OKAY, MAXIMUM LUMINOSITY. I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BRAND THAT WE USE IS A WATCHFIRE, AND IT'S ALL WITHIN REGULATIONS AND CITY CODE. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF.

OKAY. SO THE REQUESTED ACTION TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS FOR THE LEE. THE EMC, WHICH IS AN ELECTRIC OR ELECTRONIC MESSAGE MESSAGE CENTER SIGN FOR ALL VALLEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO TOO MUCH HISTORY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY THAT RELEVANT. THIS IS AN R-1 ZONE. SO YOU ARE IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE APPLICATION FOR THE CIP WAS SUBMITTED ON JULY 7TH. THIS FINDING, THE SIGN CODE SECTION 7-43K ALLOWS FOR AN EMC FOR SCHOOLS. WHEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL STANDARDS AS OUTLINED IN THAT SECTION OF THE CODE. THE PROPOSED SIGN, AGAIN, AS BAILEY MENTIONED, WILL BE AFFIXED TO THE WALL. IT MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND DOESN'T EXCEED THE 24FT■S AS ALLOWED BY CODE. SCHOOLS ARE GENERALLY LOCATED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, SO THE INTENT OF THE CIP IS TO ENSURE THAT THE EMC DOESN'T CREATE A NEGATIVE IMPACT IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE IN ANY CONDITIONS, IF ANY, THAT YOU APPLY HERE. THIS EVENING, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE SIGN APPLICATION AND FINDS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S SIGN CODE AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CIP AS IT APPLIES TO THE SIGN CODE STANDARDS WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS

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OKAY. SECOND. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. CAN YOU SEND THAT POWER TO THE END OF THE MEETING? SO WE DID YOU DO A SEPARATE MOTION FOR THE REASON STATEMENT? SO, COMMISSIONER, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WASN'T A REASON STATEMENT. PUT IN YOUR NOTICE ONE. SO I'LL TAKE IT. SO I DO HAVE COPIES FOR EVERYONE. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE. STAFF REPORT THAT YOU RECEIVED THAT YOU WANT TO REVIEW THAT QUICKLY AND CONFIRM I DID NOTICE THE SIGNATURE IS INCORRECT.

NORMALLY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS GO TO OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND SO HIS NAME IS THERE. I'LL SWAP OUT THE ORDER NAME THOUGH AND CORRECT THAT SO YOU CAN HAVE A CLEAN UP FOR SIGNATURE.

AND I COVID-19 IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE SAME. MOTION. AND SECOND. SURE. OKAY. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE STATEMENT OF RELEVANT CRITERIA AND STANDARDS RELATING TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ALLOWING AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTER FOR FALLS VALLEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE I ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU. FORGET THAT SIGN. UPDATED. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, REZONE FROM HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL

[2. RZN25-010: REZONE from HC, Highway Commercial to R3A, Residential Mixed Use. Approximately 1.55 acres of Lots 4-6, Block 6, Hodson Addition. Located north of Lincoln Road, east of Hollipark Drive, south of Hawthorne Street, and west of N Woodruff Avenue.¹]

OKAY. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. SO. YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ON HUNTER CIRCLE, REQUESTING A REZONE FROM COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TO R3. A IT WAS ACTUALLY R3 A THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RECENT AS LAST FALL, YOU KNOW, CONTEMPLATED A STORAGE UNIT FACILITY JUST WASN'T THE RIGHT FIT AND RIGHT MARKET. AND SO WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST TO REZONE BACK R3 A WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS FOR SALE TOWNHOME UNITS REALLY TRYING TO HIT A MARKET SECTOR THAT KIND OF DOESN'T REALLY EXIST HERE. AND THE 275 TO 270 5000 TO 325,000 KIND OF MARKET RANGE TOWNHOMES,

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SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE TEND TO SHOP, EAT, GATHER INCLUDES ALL HOUSING TYPES, BUT GENERALLY AT A MORE INTENSE SCALE THAN OTHERS. MIXED USE BUILDINGS, RECREATION CENTERS, COMMERCIAL USES. AND I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THE REQUESTED IN THAT THERE'S A TYPO THERE. REQUESTED R3 ZONE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE CENTERS AND CORRIDORS DESIGNATION WITHIN THE COMP PLAN. THIS IS KIND OF A CLOSE UP OF THE PROPERTY HERE, AND THIS HERE IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT AND PAVED, SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE SURROUNDING ZONING OF THE AREA, AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REZONING TO R3. A AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ONE I HAVE. SO YOU SAID THAT'S JUST BEING DEVELOPED AND PAVED IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. ARE THE OTHER PROPERTIES FURTHER ALONG DEVELOPED OR ANY ROAD PAPER ON THAT CIRCLE? LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE TO THE NORTH. SO THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE. SO IT'S PAVED ABOUT HERE AND THEN IT'S PAVED ABOUT HERE. THERE'S A GAP HERE. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO CONNECT OKAY. WHEN DID THE DO YOU KNOW RECALL THAT BY CHANCE WHEN THE COMMISSION PUT AN R3 FOR THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN 2021. IT WAS IT WAS REQUESTED AS R3 A AS AN ANNEXATION AT THAT TIME AND WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY. LET ME CALL YOU BACK TO. ALL RIGHT.

I'LL REPEAT AGAIN. WE WILL JUST WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING. THEIR COMMENTS. PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. IT'S YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND ADDRESS. KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. OH PLEASE. YES. AND THEN ALSO

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OKAY, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL I OWN THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THERE. AND CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? MY ADDRESS IS 5543 NORTH 4050. EAST OF MY PROPERTY THERE IS 1575 LINCOLN ROAD. I OWN THE STORAGE UNITS RIGHT BEHIND THERE. I GUESS MY BIGGEST ISSUE THERE IS THAT ORIGINALLY THAT WAS ALL GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL IN THERE, AND THEN WE COULD NEVER GET THE ROAD IN THERE AND GET IT. GET IT DONE. NOW THEY'RE STARTING THE APARTMENTS AT THE OTHER END OF IT ON THE HIGHWAY END, AND ARE WORKING THEIR WAY SOUTH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY OF THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN OUT THERE FROM 4:00 UNTIL 6 OR 7:00 AT NIGHT.

THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC. IT'S BACK CLEAR FROM THE HIGHWAY TO LINCOLN ROAD, SOMETIMES ACROSS LINCOLN ROAD. IT THERE IS MORE TRAFFIC THAN BY FAR THAN THE ROADS CAN HANDLE. LINCOLN ROAD AND WOODRUFF AND I, WE KEEP PUTTING THAT MANY APARTMENTS AND STUFF AND KEEP ADDING THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO END UP HAPPENING. THE CONGESTION, ALL THE BUSINESSES ALONG WOODRUFF ON BOTH SIDES. I HAVE 2 OR 3 OF THEM OF THE BUILDINGS THAT I LEASE THEM OUT, EVERY ONE OF MY TENANTS ARE SAYING THEY CANNOT GET IN OR OUT OF THEIR PROPERTY. THE CITY COME IN A YEAR OR SO AGO AND PUT A THIRD LANE IN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, GOING NORTH, AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING A TURNING LANE ON SO THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE TURNED AND GONE LEFT OR RIGHT INTO THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY NEEDED TO GO INTO, INTO THE BUSINESSES, AND IT JUST THE CONGESTION IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. NOBODY'S IN THE APARTMENTS YET AND YOU GET HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS MORE CARS OUT THERE WITH ALL THIS COMMERCIAL OR THIS RESIDENTIAL IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO END UP HAPPENING. AND BECAUSE THAT ALL, ALL THE WOODRUFF IS ALL COMMERCIAL ALL ALONG LINCOLN'S COMMERCIAL ALL ALONG. AND THEN THEY GOT ALL THESE APARTMENTS ON WOODRUFF CIRCLE BACK THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO HANDLE IT. IT'S GOING TO BE A CLUSTER, I'LL GUARANTEE YOU. AND YOU AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUGHT TO COME OUT THERE AND JUST PARK OUT THERE ON WOODRUFF AND FOR AN HOUR OR SO AND WATCH WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE'S GOT TO BE A POINT TO WHERE THE I THINK THE CITY TURNS AROUND AND COMES IN AND SAYS THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN'T HANDLE IT. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALMOST GOT RUN OVER IN THAT WHOLE THING. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. WILL YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND GIVE US YOUR ALONG WITH BOB? OKAY, THEN I'LL HAVE YOU REMAIN SILENT UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M ERIC WALKER AND I LEASE A PLACE ACTUALLY FROM BOB DUNKLEY OVER THERE ON LINCOLN. I LIVE NORTH OF TOWN. CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? YES. THE BUSINESS ADDRESS OR MY YOUR YOUR MY RESIDENCE ADDRESS IS 1317 EAST 65TH NORTH. THANK YOU. BUT WHAT'S KNOWN AS TOWER ROAD. OKAY. SO. YES. SO I'M JUST OFF OF 15 EAST OUT THERE. SO I DRIVE THAT STRETCH OF HIGHWAY WHICH AT YELLOWSTONE I GUESS TURNS INTO WOODRUFF. AFTER THAT IT'S SAINT LEON NORTH. ANYWAY, I DRIVE THAT EVERY, EVERY DAY COMING INTO TOWN. AND THERE IS A FOUR WAY

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GOING BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, I JUST THINK THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL IS MORE FITTING FOR THE AREA. IT WOULD BRING MORE VALUE TO OUR BUSINESSES. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT PROPERTY HAS A FOR SALE SIGN ON IT RIGHT NOW AS WELL. AND SO IT MAKES ME WONDER IF IT'S GOING TO JUST SIT THERE FOR A LONG TIME. YOU KNOW? BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAID AS WELL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. HI JASON EATON, I OWN THE BUSINESS AT 27 NORTH WOODRUFF, SO IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM PRECISION BOATS. AND WHAT WE DO IS WE WE'RE NOT FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT WE DO TOWING. SO IF YOU WALK IN ANY OTHER YARDS FROM THIS BUILDING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE OUR SIGNS UP. SO THIS IS WOODRUFF'S REALLY BUSY. IT'S REALLY REALLY BUSY. IT DID NEED THE SECOND LANE THAT THEY PUT IN BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH. AND THEN ANOTHER THING ABOUT APARTMENTS THEY BRING CRIME OKAY. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM ON WOODRUFF TO GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT MANY PEOPLE. SO WOODRUFF GETS BUSY FROM ABOUT 7:00. IN THE MORNING TILL ABOUT 930. BUT THAT ROAD NEVER SLEEPS. IT NEVER RESTS. OKAY. AND THEN IT GETS REALLY CONGESTED ABOUT 445 430 IN THE AFTERNOON TILL ABOUT 637. AND IT WILL GET BACKED UP FROM LINCOLN ROAD TO THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGN ON IONA ROAD, WITH JUST REGULAR PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, LEAVING AND COMING TO WORK. I HAVE TOW TRUCKS COMING AND TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF WOODRUFF. I'VE GOT SEMI TRUCKS COMING FOR TRANSPORT AND IT'S JUST TOO MUCH. BUT PEOPLE SAY INFRASTRUCTURE CAN'T HANDLE IT. LIKE I'M BEING REALLY SPECIFIC THAT WE CAN'T HAVE THAT MUCH RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC IN THERE. IT'S JUST BAD. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. IF ANY OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST TAKE A TRIP UP WOODRUFF, TURN AROUND AND TRY AND COME BACK AND IT'LL BE IT'LL TAKE YOU A WHILE. IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE 45 MINUTES OR AN HOUR TO GO ONE MILE. OKAY. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST TOO CONGESTED. AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. I JUST AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT I'M OPPOSED TO IT. LET'S JUST KEEP IT THE SAME, OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY I WILL OKAY. ALAN HARPER, 1585 LINCOLN ROAD. I RAN A BODY SHOP THERE SINCE IT WAS JUST A TRAIL OUT THERE AND I STILL GO THERE, BUT I CAN'T. THERE'S FIVE LANES IN

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THE IT'S NOT A IT'S A TERTIARY STORE LACQUERS. THEN YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN AROUND THAT OTHER WAY.

SO WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO IS THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD SOME NEW REACTORS OUT TO THE SIDE. AND WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE COMING IN AND OUT, ROAD BLOCKING SOLID. I WAS TRYING TO TURN THE LANE AND GO TO MY SHOP JUST A MONTH AGO, AND A KID CAME RIGHT THROUGH TRAFFIC AND HIT ME IN THE FRONT END. I WAS JUST BARELY MOVING. IT DIDN'T REALLY HURT ME, BUT PEOPLE ARE JUST IN A HURRY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO ANYWHERE. YOU CAN'T EVEN TURN BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CROSS OVER THE LANE, THE YELLOW LINE TO GET BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS SOLID BACK. SO I THINK THAT'S OUR REAL PROBLEM. WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT SOME MORE REACTORS OUT TO THE SIDE AND EMPLOY MORE PEOPLE THAT CAME FROM THERE TO THESE NEW BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILDING, IT'S GOING TO BE A WORSE PROBLEM ALREADY, BECAUSE THAT TAKES PLACE SIGNAL PROBLEM. BUT THAT'S MY FEELINGS ABOUT YOU REALLY CAN'T GET ON THE ROAD. AND THAT'S IT'S LIKE BOB SAID. AND THEN IF YOU PUT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE AND THEY ALL HAVE 2 OR 3 CARS, AND THEN THE RELATIVES COME AND MOVE IN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REAL MASS OF PEOPLE AND VEHICLES, AND THE POOR GUY'S TRYING TO GET INTO HIS PLACE TO, TO BRING PRODUCT OR WHATEVER HE DOES. AND THOSE GUYS, THEY'RE PAID BY THE HOUR.

THEY DON'T WANT TO SIT AROUND FOR TWO HOURS TO GET UNLOADED, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT'S MY FEELING.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS DAVID KNIGHT. I AM FROM NORTH LOGAN. I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, TOO, SO I JUST ADDRESS. OH, ADDRESS. I LIVE AT 745. WAS DAVID WHAT? DAVID KNIGHT, 745 GRANDVIEW DRIVE IN PROVIDENCE, UTAH. OKAY. I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF JUST ADDRESS A FEW OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS OUT THERE. OUR INTENTION ON THE PROPERTY IS, DAN, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IS TO BUILD SOME AFFORDABLE TOWNHOMES HITTING THE MARKET THAT IS GREATLY UNDERSERVED HERE. AND IT WAS PREVIOUSLY OUR THEORY OF THE CITY STAFF HAD MENTIONED. AND SO I FEEL LIKE THIS REASONABLE BRINGS IT BACK INTO GREATER ALIGNMENT WITH THE IDAHO FALLS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE THAT WERE MADE THAT I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS. THE FOR SALE SIGN ISN'T ON THIS PROPERTY. IT'S ACTUALLY ON A PROPERTY THAT EXISTS NORTH SO THAT THAT DOESN'T EXIST. AND DEPENDING ON HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH INDIVIDUALS AND TO KIND OF DO STUFF ON THAT. THAT FOR SALE SIGN IS NOT ON THIS PROPERTY.

CONSIDERING THIS REZONE, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ON CRIME THAT IS BASED IN IN NOTHING AND CARRIES NO WEIGHT BECAUSE THAT JUST SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE. MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE OBVIOUSLY DEAL WITH TRAFFIC WITH CONGESTION IN THAT AREA. I THINK THIS REZONING ACTUALLY HELPS WITH THAT. I'LL REFER BACK TO THE CITY STAFF REPORT DEALING WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AND IT SAYS THAT THE R-3 ZONE, THIS IS WHAT THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER. SO THE R-3 ZONE HAS A PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL ZONE WOULD BE EQUAL OR LESS THAN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE THAT IS CURRENTLY. SO IF ANYTHING THIS IS GOING TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN FOR SALE TOWNHOMES ROUGHLY ABOUT 22 TO 24 TOWNHOMES, DEPENDING ON HOW THE SITE PLAN LAYS OUT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE FAR LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE 2 TO 300 STORAGE UNIT FACILITY THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING ORIGINALLY. IT WAS GOING TO BE.

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THAT MAKES SENSE. IMPACT FEES ARE ASSESSED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMITS, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. AN IMPACT FEE WOULD BE ASSESSED AT THAT TIME. OKAY, NOW ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT DO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? IS HC OR HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL? IS THE POINT OF THAT ZONE IS TO MOVE IS TO PUT BUSINESSES IN IT THAT WOULD NEED A LOT OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT THE WHOLE KIND OF THE IDEA OF THE ZONE IS, IS IN THE NAME IS LIKE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL EQUALS? YEAH, WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF WE'RE NOT A LOT, BUT TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF BUSINESSES, IT'S MADE FOR MOTORISTS. YOUR PACKET AND I INCLUDED ACTUALLY THE DEFINITION FOR AGENCY AND OUR IN YOUR PACKET. SO YES THE ZONE PROVIDES A COMMERCIAL ZONE FOR RETAIL AND SERVICE USES. SERVICING THE TRAVELING PUBLIC BUILDINGS ARE SET BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE TO PROMOTE SAFETY ON THE HIGHWAY. WE WIDE VARIETY OF USES USE OF HIGHWAY RIGHT OF WAY FOR TRAVEL PURPOSES, AND IT'S ALSO TO NOTE WOODRUFF OR WOODRUFF IS AN ARTERIAL, LINCOLN IS AN ARTERIAL, AND YELLOWSTONE IS AN ARTERIAL. SO YOU HAVE THREE ARTERIALS. SO THE HCM THE R3 EQUALLY CAN ARE MEANT FOR CLOSE TO THOSE ARTERIALS OKAY. NOW YOU SAID SO. THE ROADS ARE ALMOST MEETING ON WOODRUFF CIRCLE. HOW MANY UNITS DO WE NEED TO GET TO WHERE THERE ARE WE CAN BUILD IT OUT AND WHERE THEY CONNECT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS. LIKE ONCE WE HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS OR DOORS, THEN WE HAVE TO OFFER A SECOND ACCESS. IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S BASED ON THE FIRE CODE. AND SO THE FIRE CODE IS IT'S 200 UNITS. IF THEY'RE SPRINKLED IT'S 30 UNITS IF THEY'RE NOT OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THE CORRECT ME, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE NORTH HAVE ACCESS TO YELLOWSTONE. WAS. NO, NO. SO IT'S JUST OPERATORS. YEAH. OKAY. GOTCHA. SO IF THOSE OTHER LOTS DID GET DEVELOPED, WE MIGHT BE HITTING CLOSE TO THAT AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DEVELOP UNTIL THAT ROAD WAS FINISHED AND COMPLETED ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO GET THOSE BUILDINGS. OKAY.

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LET'S SEE. YEAH. THAT'S NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AT ALL. THAT'S THE WEST ACCESS OKAY. SO THAT'S IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT. SO. OKAY. I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY. I'M JUST KIND OF WALKING THROUGH THIS HERE BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NOW IT'S THE IMPROVED GOING UP TOWARDS IONA ROAD THAT WE START GETTING INTO THE COUNTY. JARED. CORRECT. BEFORE WE START, WHAT THEY'RE DISCUSSING IS A COUNTY FOUR WAY STOP, AND THE CITY HAS NO CONTROL OVER IT UNFORTUNATELY.

OKAY. AND THEN. OKAY, SO DO WE KNOW HOW MANY TOTAL UNITS RIGHT NOW ARE WITH THIS KIND OF ON THE R3. A AREA THAT HAVE BEEN, I GUESS APPROVED A ROUGH ESTIMATE. I DON'T EXPECT LIKE A PERFECT ANSWER, BUT I DO NOT KNOW. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S OKAY, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. OKAY, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW. I'M STILL FORMULATING MY THOUGHTS, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO WORK THROUGH THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF I HAVE? YEAH, I'M RELATIVELY NEW TO THE COMMISSION. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN ONE OF THESE. IS IT COMMON FOR US TO SEE REZONES BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH LIKE THIS, DEPENDING ON WHETHER WE CAN GET A BUYER OR NOT? I WOULDN'T I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE GO BACK TO ONE ALMOST A YEAR. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS A BUYER AGAIN, WE'RE REQUESTING FROM ONE ZONE TO ANOTHER. ALL THE USES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. JUST JUST TO REMEMBER THAT. YEAH. APPROVAL HERE. WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL HERE WOULD BE AGNOSTIC OF THE YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR OWNER IS TELLING US AS FAR AS. THAT ACTUAL LAND USE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. BASICALLY MY QUESTION IS ABOUT.

THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY MORE. I, I WENT BACK TO MY NOTES FROM THE PRIOR MEETING, CHANGED ZONING, AND I RECALL BEING FAR MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PARCEL BEING HIGHLY COMMERCIAL THAN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OR COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, I, I WOULD FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT IT. I THINK WE'RE HAWTHORNE TO THE WEST, ALREADY CONNECTED AND IN I AGAIN, I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HOW MANY UNITS HAVE TO BE THERE BEFORE BEFORE SOME OF THOSE ROADS HAVE TO BE COMPLETED AND SOME OTHER ACCESS POINTS COME IN. BUT I, I AM I HAD CONCERN THEN WITH THE R3 FOR THAT WHOLE PARCEL. I THINK IT'S FAR MORE CONDUCIVE TO HIGHWAY, COMMERCIAL OR EVEN REGULAR COMMERCIAL FOR THOSE THOSE LOTS WITHOUT HAWTHORNE I. SO I WOULD BE PERSONALLY OPPOSED TO GOING BACK TO R3 FOR THIS PARCEL. I LIKED THE CHANGE WE MADE LAST YEAR AND FEEL FEEL BETTER FOR IT. NOW. JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY HERE WE ARE JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY. WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION WE GIVE, WE'LL HAVE A VOTE AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON THIS. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO GET TO SAY YES OR NO AND MAKE APPROVAL OR DENIAL.

THEY TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION, THEY TAKE OUR VOTE INTO ACCOUNT. HOWEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR RECOMMENDATION. WE CAN ALL OPPOSE THAT AND THEY CAN STILL APPROVE IT. SO JUST BE AWARE, WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE TONIGHT FROM THIS COMMISSION IS SIMPLY A RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE'S STILL ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU HAVE ONE MORE CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE. FOR THE DECIDING BODY.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING BODY ON THIS ISSUE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT MAY CLARIFY A FEW THINGS FOR YOU AS WELL. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COMMENTS CONCERNS? CAN I KIND OF POSE A QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION OR I GUESS PLEASE? YES. SO WHEN YOU'RE CONCERNED OR WHEN YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH, HOW ARE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE WITH HHC? BECAUSE ONE, IT'S ALREADY THAT WAY AND TWO, IT'S ALREADY SURROUNDED BY HHC. OR IS IT BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC OR WHAT. WHAT MAKES YOU I JUST DON'T KNOW FULLY IF I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHY MORE HHC THAN R3. I THINK THAT WHOLE WHOLE AREA, THAT WHOLE ZONE. LENDS ITSELF BETTER TO COMMERCIAL USE THAN RESIDENTIAL USE. AND I WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION IN 2021 WHEN THE ORIGINAL ANNEXATION AND ZONING TOOK PLACE. I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN OPPOSED TO IT ON R3 THEN. AND LIKE I SAID, I WENT BACK TO MY NOTES AND FELT EVEN

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YEAH. MR. CHAIR, YES. IF I COULD JUST ANSWER ONE QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER ILER BROUGHT UP IS THE WIDENING PROJECT IS ACTUALLY IN THE WHAT WE CALL THE TIP, WHICH IS THE STATE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THROUGH THE MPO SLATED FOR 2028 IS THE YEAR ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, FUNDING AND DESIGN AND ALL OF THAT. AND IF THERE'S ANY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OCCUR, THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS AT LEAST 2028 IN THE FUTURE.

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THAT'S JUST WHAT CALIFORNIA DOES, YOU KNOW. SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF HAVE THE GROWTH FIRST BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, PUT IN IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS DEFINITELY GROWING PAINS. BUT I MEAN, I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN. BUT YEAH, 2028 THAT'S STILL LIKE FOUR YEARS OUT IN THAT IN THAT WHOLE ROAD IS ALREADY AN ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE HOUSING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. LIKE GETTING MORE AND MORE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT ENABLES PEOPLE TO GET INTO HOMES. WELL, I'M LOUD ENOUGH. I, I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY SINCE NOW I UNDERSTAND, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE ZONING AS A WHOLE, NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT HE DID MENTION THAT THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL SELLING UNITS, WHICH INCREASES HOME OWNERSHIP EVEN THOUGH SOME MIGHT NOT CONSIDER IT A HOME. A TOWNHOME THAT YOU OWN IS A HOME TO PEOPLE. AND PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP DOES GO UP WHEN YOU DO OWN SOMETHING ON YOUR OWN. AND SO IF WE CAN GET MORE HOUSING IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN, OH, HOUSING PRICES ARE GOING UP OR RENTAL PRICES ARE GOING UP.

WELL, IT'S BECAUSE WE DENY STUFF LIKE THIS OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING TOO MANY BARRIERS ON IT. THE MORE HOUSING TO ME THE BETTER. BUT ALSO THE BUSINESS OWNERS THERE DO HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER. AND SO YEAH, I, I AGREE, I LOVE THE HOUSING TYPE. I LOVE WHAT WOULD BE THER. WHERE THERE BETTER ACCESS. YEAH.

SO OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BESIDES. MR. CANTU OR COMMISSIONER. I WAS MORE CONCERNED WITH THE ISSUE THAT THE OTHER PERSON BROUGHT UP AS FAR AS BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH. TO ME, IT'S JUST TRAFFIC WITH THE RIGHT SEASONS, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS IN THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO GET TRAFFIC, YOU'RE HOUSING, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET BACK. DO YOU THINK YOU COULD SPEAK? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. OH I'M SORRY. OKAY. IF YOU PUT A BUSINESS IN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET TRAFFIC. YOU PUT HOUSING IN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET TRAFFIC. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AC AND BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH FROM THESE VIEWS AND RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S ONE OF THE THOUGHT. I JUST LOST IT. WELL, I JUST YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S AN ODD PLACE TO PUT TOWNHOUSES WHEN EVERYTHING'S RUN BY AC. SO THAT'S. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. MY THOUGHTS ON THIS ARE. ALSO COMPLEX. I UNDERSTAND THE. CONCERNS ON TRAFFIC FROM EVERYONE WHO SPOKE FOR SURE. R3 IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO MORE TRAFFIC. THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN REPLACE AN EMPTY LOT THAT WILL NOT CREATE LESS TRAFFIC. RIGHT? SO AND WE CAN SEE WE HAVE MULTIPLE EMPTY LOTS ON THE SATELLITE VIEW HERE THAT ARE UNUSED RIGHT NOW. AND ANYTHING THAT GOES IN THERE, WHETHER IT'S APARTMENTS, TOWNHOUSES, ANOTHER BUSINESS IS GOING TO ADD MORE TO THAT. AND AT WHAT POINT CAN WE SAY LIKE, NO, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP YOUR LAND IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR, RIGHT? WHETHER WE NEED TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON THAT LOT MULTIPLE TIMES TO SAY, OKAY, NOW, NOW I WANT IT TO BE THIS, NOW I WANT IT TO BE THAT. I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE BEST USE OF CITY STAFF, RESOURCES, OUR TIME, NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE TO COME OUT EVERY TIME THAT THERE'S A REZONE APPLICATION. I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT ALL THAT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH OF A FEELING TO VOTE ON THE ISSUE? I WILL SAY WE DO NEED TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING AND ZONING OR TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. I AM A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

ARE WE DOING YES OR NO AND THEN GO ACCORDING TO THAT? CORRECT. THE EASIEST CAN BE IF ONE OF YOU LIKE THE PROPOSAL AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, WE CAN TAKE THAT IF WE FEEL THERE ARE. IF ENOUGH OF US ARE SAYING PROBABLY NOT RIGHT NOW, THEN WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO NOT APPROVE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO NOT APPROVE. OKAY. SO

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[3. PLT25-016: FINAL PLAT for Houston Heights Division No. 1. Lot 15, Block 3, Yellowstone Addition Division No. 3. Located north of Houston Street, east of S Saturn Avenue, south of Atlanta Street, and west of S Colorado Avenue. ¹]

GOOD EVENING. EXPRESSION. AS THE APPLICANT STATED, THIS IS A FINAL PLAT APPLICATION TO SPLIT THE SINGLE LOT INTO TWO LOTS. THIS IS LOCATED ON HOUSTON STREET JUST EAST OF SATURN AVENUE, THE SOUTH OF BROADWAY. THE LOT WAS RECENTLY DEVELOPED. I DO HAVE A BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURE ON HERE. SO THIS IS A STREET VIEW FROM ABOUT A YEAR AGO. AND THIS IS THE NEW TWIN HOME THAT WAS BUILT. THE PURPOSE OF THE PLAT IS TO BE ABLE TO SELL THE TWO UNITS SEPARATELY.

THE ZONE IS R-2, WHICH REQUIRES A MINIMUM 6000FT■S LOT. HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT'S AN ATTACHED DWELLING, IT'S EXEMPT FROM THE LOT SIZE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. THE. AS LONG AS IT MEETS OTHER SETBACKS. DENSITY, AND LOT COVERAGE, WHICH IT DOES, THE MAXIMUM DENSITY FOR R-2 IS 17 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THIS COMES UP TO 12.7 LOTS PER ACRE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE AREAS MIXED USE CENTERS AND CORRIDORS BEYOND THE HOPE. I DON'T HAVE A BUT IT MAKES YOU CENTERS AND CORRIDORS. THE LOTS DO ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE R-2 REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CODE AS WELL AS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS FINAL PLAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? LOOKS GOOD. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION? I HAVE NO CONCERNS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. FINAL PLAT OF HOUSTON HEIGHTS DIVISION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE FINAL PLAT FOR

[4. PLT25-017: FINAL PLAT for Westbrook Estates Division No. 1. Part of the South ½ of Section 10, Township 2 North, Range 37 East. Located north of W 17th North, east of the Great Western Canal, south of the East Lateral Canal, and west of Bramble Lane. ¹]

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MY APOLOGIES. I HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAID THE EXACT NUMBER OF LOTS WITH UNITS.

I THINK IT WAS 23 TOTAL DUPLEXES. SO 46 SEPARATE LOTS IN THAT. BUT YEAH, R-1 ZONING. AND I GUESS EVERYTHING ON THE DENSITY AND LOT DISTRIBUTION IS ALL WITHIN STANDARDS. THANK YOU.

SO THAT I'M CLEAR, WE HAVE TWO FLATS. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP ON. THIS MAY BE FROM STAFF. YEAH THAT ONE GO BACK ONE. SO WE HAVE THE LARGER LOTS THERE. LOT TEN AND LOT ONE ON THE END. THOSE ARE ALSO DUPLEX LOTS. SO WHAT WE ACTUALLY AND I DID FIND A PIECE OF PAPER WHICH IS BURIED INSIDE SOMETHING ELSE. SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 46 LOTS FOR SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED.

THERE'S ONE CLUBHOUSE LOT, TWO STORMWATER RETENTION LOTS, ONE IRRIGATION PUMP STATION LOT AND ONE CANAL LOT ASSOCIATED WITH VISION ONE. OKAY, SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF MUNICIPAL SUPPORT LOTS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR. OKAY. SO I CAN ASSUME AND I GUESS IT WAS THE NEXT PAGE FORWARD ONE MORE TIME. THOSE LOT ONE AND LOT TEN. THEY'RE 0.49409 AND 0.292 ACRES EACH. SO A MUCH LARGER IS THAT THE CLUBHOUSE PERHAPS THE CLUBHOUSE OR SOMETHING? YEAH. OKAY. I JUST AM CLARIFYING BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK, ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER. YEAH, I KNOW IT'S NOT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS WESTBROOK ESTATES DIVISION NUMBER ONE. THE REQUESTED ACTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. SO THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN JULY OF 2024. AND YOU APPROVED THE FINAL PLAT IN OR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IN MARCH OF 2025 OF THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DIVISION ONE OF THE FINAL PLAT. SO THIS PLANT IS GOING TO BE 14.806 ACRES, 48 BUILDABLE LOTS. THERE ARE A SLEW OF LOCAL STREETS BEING PLATTED IN THIS. I WON'T READ THEM ALL OFF, BUT YES, THERE IS A THEME TO THE STREETS. IF YOU DIDN'T CATCH BETWEEN LAMPREY, WALLEYE DAYS, STURGEON OR STURGEON. THAT'S AWESOME, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE FISH. YES. WESTBROOK. YEAH. A FEW THINGS I'LL POINT OUT IS LOTS ONE THROUGH 14 IN BLOCK NINE, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE THESE LOTS HERE. AND THESE LOTS HERE. WHILE THEY DO FACE WEST 17TH, THEY WILL ONLY BE ACCESSED FROM BEHIND I BELIEVE ON STURGEON. AND THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. THEY MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT IN THE FINAL PLAT. YES. YOU KNOW I'LL WAIT. I'LL ASK. I'M SORRY. THE LOT SIZE IN THIS DIVISION PERMIT THE LOT TO BE LESS THAN THE REQUIRED MINIMUM LOT SIZE, AS LONG AS THEY ARE SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED, NO MORE THAN TWO PER THE R-1 ZONE. AND THOSE WILL ALL BE LISTED IN THE PLANS THAT THOSE ARE REVIEWS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES IDENTIFY THE AREAS OF SUBURBAN AND R-1 ZONE SHOULD INCLUDE A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES, PRICE POINTS, AND SIZES. AND SO THESE SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED HOMES DO MEET THAT AS WELL. AND THEN YES, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LOT ONE AND 11, I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION IN OUR REVIEW. SO BECAUSE I PREVIOUSLY WAS TO TWIN HOME LOTS. AND SO YES THEY ARE LARGER. THEY STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE FINAL PLAT, FINDS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE TWO LOTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ADDING MORE LOTS. THAT'S OKAY WHEN YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH YOUR FINAL PLAT, AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DIVISION. NUMBER ONE FOR WESTBROOK ESTATES IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SO THOSE LOTS THAT FACE 17. YES. SO THE FRONT DOORS FACE 17. BUT THE GARAGES ARE OFF OF PERCH STREET I DON'T WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE BUILDING PLAN OKAY. YOUR INDIVIDUAL BUT YES WE COULD HAVE FRONT DOORS WITH. BUT THE ACCESS THE REAR THE VEHICLE ACCESS WILL HAVE TO COME FROM BEHIND OKAY. SO POTENTIAL FOR SOME CREATIVE SOME CREATIVE THERE. BUT THEY

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[5. PLT25-020: FINAL PLAT for Westbrook Estates Division No. 2. Part of the South ½ of Section 10, Township 2 North, Range 37 East. Located north of West 17th North, east of the Great Western Canal, south of the East Lateral Canal, and west of Bramble Lane. ¹]

NO. NO PROBLEM. I TALK A LOT, BUT I DON'T LISTEN. IT'S A GOOD ONE OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? MOTION. OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE I GOT IT I MOVE. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR WESTBROOK ESTATES DIVISION NUMBER TWO TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A SECOND. TIME. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CANTY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. THE. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. I WENT BLANK ON MY WORDING. SORRY.

FORGOT MY WORDS PER MINUTE. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. AND WE WILL NOW HEAR FINAL PLAT FOR

[6. PLT25-019: FINAL PLAT for Idaho Traffic Safety Division No. 1. North ½ of the NE ¼ of the SE ¼ of Section 7, Township 2 North, Range 38 East. Located north of E Anderson Street, east of N Boulevard, south of Stanley Street, and west of N Holmes Avenue. ¹]

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ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM OF PLANNING COMMISSION TRAINING HERE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE INTERESTED TO STICK AROUND. YOU WANT TO WALK, RIGHT? REMEDY. WHEN WE HAD A TRAINING TO THE AGENDA, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT SHORTER. WE WERE ACTUALLY

[7. Planning Commission Training]

I'LL RUN THROUGH A FEW THINGS. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS TECHNOLOGY. OH, WOW. SPEAKING OF SPEAKING OF. YEAH. SO I WANTED TO MAYBE RUN THROUGH SOME TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TONIGHT, AND THEN IF WE HAVE TIME AFTER THAT, I JUST HAVE A FEW SLIDES ABOUT GROWTH. AND IF YOU GET ASKED A QUESTION AS MUCH AS WE GET ASKED THE QUESTION, WHY SO MANY APARTMENTS? WHY SO MANY TOWNHOMES? I LIKE THAT AND A QUESTION FOR YOU, CARRIE. DOES THE TRAINING BECOME PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD? IT DOES, YES. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO CLOSE THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING SO WE CAN HAVE A MORE FRANK DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE JUST QUESTIONS, PROCESS AND THINGS FROM THE COMMISSION, FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING. WELL, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT IS PART OF IT WOULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION EVER MEETING.

CORRECT. OKAY. ARE YOU JUST AFRAID OF TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN A PUBLIC SETTING? CORRECT. BUT WE BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD BE FINE. YOU SHOULD BE FINE. MEETING. WE'LL QUESTION YOU IF WE GET THERE. IF YOU BRING UP A PROJECT THAT'S STILL IN THE WORKS, AND YOU MIGHT SEE IT COME BACK TO YOU FROM THE CITY COUNCIL OR SOMETHING, WE

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YEAH. IF THAT WAS APPROPRIATE OR DEPENDING ON THE QUESTION. SO I THINK WHEN YOU ASK IT WE CAN MAYBE FILL THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. I'D MAYBE CHIME IN AT THIS JUNCTURE. YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY MADE A DECISION. SO I THINK TO SOME DEGREE WE CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS JUST SO LONG AS IT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T GO BACK. IT CAN'T RETRACT THE DECISION THAT YOU MADE.

RIGHT. SURE. RIGHT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. BUT WE CAN TALK REASONING AND ASK QUESTIONS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. YES. FOR SURE. GREAT. OR WAS MY LOGIC FLAWED OR THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. YEAH.

AND WE CAN SPEAK IN SPECIFIC TERMS, OUR GENERAL TERMS. I'VE GOT SEVERAL SLIDES OF THE CITY MAP UP THAT WE CAN ZOOM IN AND ZOOM OUT IN ANY LOCATION IN THE CITY. SO, I MEAN, I ADDRESS IT TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF YOUR TIME AS STAFF'S TIME TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A MOTION SAYING, NO, WE DON'T RECOMMEND THIS FOR APPROVAL, IT IMPACTS YOU AS WELL. AND I YEAH, I'M CONSCIOUS OF THAT. SO THAT'D BE APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IT IS WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY. SO EITHER WAY WE'RE GOOD. YOU'RE PAID. THAT'S RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. THE PROCESS DOESN'T CHANGE IF IT'S IF YOU RECOMMEND OR DENY RIGHT. THEY CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD. CITY COUNCIL STILL THE SAME DOCUMENTS TOGETHER. SO YEAH IT'S WE'LL STILL DO THE SAME THING. THAT'S WHAT I HOPEFULLY WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT WE'VE GOT OPPOSING PARTIES AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS NOT GOING TO BE PLEASED WITH THE OUTCOME. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ADDRESS WE'RE NOT WE'RE THE RECOMMENDING BODY. I'VE SEEN IT PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE WE ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY SAY NO, AND THE CITY COUNCIL STILL APPROVES IT. SO IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. YEAH, FOR SURE, FOR SURE. WELL, SORRY TO JUMP IN, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER MEEHAN SAID THE RIGHT THING IS THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO PRESENT THE APPLICATION REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE OUTCOME IS. OKAY. SO IF THEY WANT TO BRING, IF THEY WANT TO BRING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS, EVEN IF THERE'S A CHANCE IT MIGHT NOT GO THROUGH, THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY THE PROCESS IS THERE IF THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT EXPLANATION. SO WHETHER YOU GUYS MAKE YOUR DECISION, AS LONG AS IT'S SOUND BASED ON YOUR OWN INFORMATION IN THE MEETING, THEN THAT'S THE PROCESS THEY DECIDED TO GO THROUGH. RIGHT. AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY. WORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. SO AND MAYBE ON THAT NOTE, JUST AS A TRAINING ITEM TOO, THERE IS A SECTION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO IF A REZONE GOES FORWARD AND IS DENIED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN BEFORE. IT'S DENIED BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT APPLICANT CANNOT SUBMIT THE SAME APPLICATION REQUEST FOR A FOR SIX MONTHS, OKAY, WITHOUT THERE BEING SOME SIGNIFICANT SHIFT OR CHANGE. AND THE INTENT OF THAT ORDINANCE IS TO SHOW THAT YOU JUST DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO JUST REPEATEDLY IS ASKING THE SAME QUESTION. SOMETIMES TRAFFIC COUNTS CHANGE, PROPERTY OWNERSHIP SHIFTS, A NEW ROAD OR A NEW ROAD GETS BUILT COMING 2028. AND LIKE I SAID, MAYBE THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. RIGHT? TODAY IT'S THIS. YEAH. SO THAT PROVISION IS IN THE CODE THAT THEY DO HAVE TO WAIT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ONLY IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE REZONING APPLICATION IS DENIED. IN THIS SITUATION.

THEY'RE REQUESTING TO GO BACK TO THE ZONE. WAS THERE PRIOR. RIGHT. SO THAT THE COUNCIL HAD ORIGINALLY APPROVED THE PRIOR REZONE. BUT ANYWAY, OKAY. MPO ORDERVILLE METROPOLITAN PLANNING IS OUR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING GROUP. I HAVE TWO MAPS TO SHOW YOU JUST TO KIND OF IDENTIFY THAT. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO READ THAT? NO. OKAY. THIS IS AN OLDER MAP. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THE YELLOW AREA IS THE 2010 URBANIZED AREA AND THE 2050 PLANNING BOUNDARY. THAT'S REALLY LARGELY CENSUS DATA, RIGHT? WE'RE TAKING THE URBANIZED AREA. WHERE ARE THE DENSEST PARTS OF OUR REGION IN MONTENEGRO COUNTY, AND THAT BECOMES THEIR URBANIZED AREA. BUT THEN THE PLANNING AREA IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THAT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRYING TO DO LONG RANGE PLANNING. LOOK DOWN THE ROAD TO THE FUTURE. THE REASON I LIKE THIS MAP, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SLIGHTLY OUTDATED, IS THIS MAP SHOWS THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES FOR EACH OF THE CITIES. SO YOU'VE GOT IDAHO FALLS, AMMON, IONA, AND YUKON, AND THEN ALSO BOTTINEAU COUNTY THAT CREATE THAT THAT GROUP THAT WORKS WITH THE MPO. THIS MAP. ALSO ENLARGE TO ROTATE. SO. SO THIS IS THE

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STRATEGIC ARTERIALS ARE NEW WITH THIS ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO THAT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE YOUR MAJOR ROADS HIT ROAD LINCOLN ROAD SUNNYSIDE 65TH SOUTH. THOSE ARE ALL STRATEGIC ARTERIALS. SO THE RED ONE AT THE BOTTOM IS 65TH. THE RED ONE AT THE BOTTOM IS 97. THE PURPLE ONE HERE IS 66. IF YOU ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STREET NAMES. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. NO SMOKING HERE. WE'LL GO IN AS CLOSE AS YOU NEED. SO REALLY WE'RE USING THIS FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION MAP TO TRY TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE ROAD WIDTHS THAT WE NEED. SO WHEN YOU SEE IN THE STAFF REPORTS FOR SUBDIVISIONS, IF THERE ARE NEW ROADS THAT ARE BEING CREATED, IT'S OUR JOB IN THE PLANNING DIVISION TO CLASSIFY THOSE, WHETHER IT BE A LOCAL ROAD, IF IT'S A COLLECTOR OR IF IT'S AN ARTERIAL, AND WHEN PEOPLE COME WITH PRELIMINARY PLATS, LET'S SAY. SO YOU HAVE THE DOTTED LINES THERE. THE DOTTED LINES MEAN WE WOULD LIKE A ROAD TO GO RIGHT. LET'S SAY A PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, IN OUR DOCUMENT IT SAYS WE WANT THIS ROAD HERE IN YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAT. CAN YOU PUT THAT ROAD? SO IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT. SO OLD BUTTE IS CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN BROADWAY AND PANCARI. BUT OLD BUTTE IS PLANNED TO BE ALIGNED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SUNNYSIDE ROAD OR NEAR 33RD SOUTH. SO THIS THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME WITH A SUBDIVISION PLAT HERE, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT SHOWED THE NECESSARY ROAD DEDICATION AND ROAD ALIGNMENT, THAT CONNECTION. RIGHT. FOR THAT MAJOR ROAD, WHICH HERE IS GOING TO BE 100 AND 100 TO 120 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH FOR THAT, THAT ROAD ALIGNMENT, THE GOAL OF BUILDING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. CORRECT. TO NOT HAVE TO EXPAND IT LATER. RIGHT. TRYING TO PRESERVE THE RIGHT OF WAY INITIALLY. AND THEN AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS. MOST LIKELY WE'VE HAD TO ACTUALLY RECENT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OLD BUTTE. IF A DEVELOPER WERE TO COME INITIALLY, YOU'D PROBABLY BUILD A THREE LANE SECTION. AND THEN AS THE TRAFFIC INCREASED, YOU'D WIDEN THAT TO FIVE LANES. BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY AT LEAST IS RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR FIVE LANES, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NOT KNOCKING THINGS DOWN OR. YEAH, SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER PAM, CARRIE I MEAN, PAM CARRIE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. IT USED TO BE A TWO LANE ROAD. WE PRESERVED THE RIGHT OF WAY AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED, AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO. WIDEN OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO DO RIGHT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY, TAKE PEOPLE'S HOMES AND DREAMS AND CHRISTMAS MEMORIES. SO IT'S A REALLY HARD PUBLIC HEARINGS. I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE ON THIS MAP, YOU KNOW, 17TH STREET AND CARRIE LISTED AS A MINOR ARTERIAL. RIGHT. BUT IT'S. CAN YOU SHARE THESE WITH US? YES.

WELL, THIS IS ALL THROUGH THE BMPS WEBSITE, WHICH IS JUST BMP02, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF

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EVERY COMMUNITY HAS AN ELECTED 1 OR 2 ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT SERVE ON THAT POLICY BOARD. THEY ARE THE DECISION MAKERS. THEY SET THE BUDGET. THEY PROVIDE THE WORK PROGRAM. THEY PROVIDE THE DIRECTION AND THE GUIDANCE FOR MPO. YOU ALSO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE TAC OR THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THIS IS ENGINEERS, PLANNERS. I SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE. AND AGAIN WE HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM EVERY SINGLE JURISDICTION. THE PURPOSE THERE IS SO THAT WE HAVE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS PLANNERS THERE TO PROVIDE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE AND ASSIST THE POLICY BOARD IN MAKING DECISIONS SO SIMILAR TO YOU. YOU FUNCTION AS A RECOMMENDING BODY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, THE TAC. WE FUNCTION AS A RECOMMEND BODY TO THE POLICY BOARD. SO DARYL AND HIS GROUP, THEY'LL BRING THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN DOCUMENT OR THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN TO US. WE'LL REVIEW THOSE ITEMS. WE PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, TRAFFIC COUNTS, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND THEN THEY'LL TAKE THOSE TO THE POLICY BOARD FOR APPROVAL. SO THAT'S HOW THAT FUNCTIONS. THEY, LIKE YOU HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC HEARING.

AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR. THERE. THERE'S I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT TASKS THAT THEY DO. ONE IS THE FEDERAL FUNDING. ANY FEDERAL DOLLARS AND STATE DOLLARS COME THROUGH MPO THROUGH THEIR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THE TIP AND THE TIP, I BELIEVE, ARE THE NAMES. I CAN NEVER FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE DOES WHAT AND WHICH ONE'S THE MORE. AND THEN THERE'S LPAC, WHICH IS RURAL. IT'S THE THING. YEAH, LOTS OF ACRONYMS THERE. BUT THE TAKEAWAY IS ALL OF THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS AND STATE DOLLARS GET FUNDED THROUGH MPO. EACH OF THE COMMUNITIES WILL PRESENT PROJECTS LIKE WE DID WITH WOODRUFF. WE PRESENTED THAT TO THE TAC AND THE POLICY BOARD. THE ATTACK THEN REVIEWS THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES THE BOARD SETS OUT AND THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY. WE VOTE ON THOSE WHICH ONES WE THINK SHOULD RANK THE HIGHEST AND WHICH ONES ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. IT USED TO BE WE SORT OF TOOK TURNS BECAUSE WE HAD MONEY TO DO THAT, AND PROJECTS WERE THAT WAY. RIGHT NOW EVERYONE'S GOT SO MANY PROJECTS AND UNDERFUNDED, IT'S PRETTY DARN COMPETITIVE. AND WE STILL TRY TO TAKE TURNS AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE POTS OF DOLLARS GET MOVED ALL OVER. BUT WE ARE STILL REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE GREATEST NEED. WHAT INTERSECTION IS IT THAT YOU KNOW IS THE WORST THAT NEEDS TO GET.

LOOKED AT? SO WHICH ONE IS THE WHICH ONE THAT WE ACTUALLY DECIDED THESE ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES AND WHICH ONES? JUST LIKE THE PROPOSAL ONE IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OF THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS. THE. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE ALL HERE. THE TIP. SO THE TIP IS THE ACTUAL THESE ARE WHAT'S PROGRAMED WHAT'S ACTUALLY LIKE WE WANT THIS. AND WHETHER IT'S FUNDED OR NOT, THAT'S AT LEAST THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO WRITE. GENERALLY WE DON'T LET WE DON'T MOVE THINGS OUT. IF I CAN GET TO A TABLE, THERE WE GO. YEAH. YOU ZOOM IN TO. YEAH. SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. IS THIS THE MOST RECENT ONE? YES. THIS IS THE 2025. SO I MEAN YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. THE COLORS ARE EACH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY. THEN WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. YOU HAVE P AND PC WHICH IS PLANNING AND PLANNING ENGINEERING. AND THEN YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION AND YOU HAVE THE YEARS. SO WE WILL PROGRAM IT FOR THESE YEARS. AND THEN THESE ARE THE AMOUNTS OF WHEN WE BELIEVE THOSE DOLLARS WILL COME OUT. SO EACH YEAR WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY. SOMETIMES THAT SHIFTS AND CHANGES. AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH AND PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS ACCORDINGLY. THAT, THAT THAT NUMBER AMOUNT. I CAN NEVER FIGURE OUT WHAT I KNOW IT

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SO AND YOU THINK OF THE LANE MILES OF IDAHO COUNTY AND IDAHO FALLS IDAHO LIKE IT'S CHALLENGING. SO THAT IS ONE THING, ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT THEY DO, THEY ALSO DO TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. SO THIS MAP THAT I ORIGINALLY SHOWED YOU, THIS IS THE 2050. LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. AND I WANTED TO JUST GO HERE. THE NEWER ONE, DOESN'T IT HAVE ON IT ONE SECOND. WHAT IS IT OKAY IF I. YES IT'S FINE OKAY. YEAH. DURING TRAINING. THAT'S THE CORE MISSION IS NOT A CHALLENGE FOR BUSINESS. TRYING TO FIGURE A FEW THINGS OUT. SURE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THESE MAPS OUT. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTED CONGESTION RIGHT NOW IN THAT LONG RANGE PLAN. SO THESE ARE YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND A LEVEL OF F IS FAILING. LEVELS ABOVE THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING LONG TERM AT THOSE CONGESTION LEVELS. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE CONGESTION IS AND HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. WHAT PAGE IS THAT? LET ME GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE. I FIND THESE MAPS TROUBLESOME. YEAH. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I KNOW IT'S WIDER MEANING MORE TRAFFIC. RIGHT. SO HOW DO YOU COMPARE IT? LIKE THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, RIGHT? THE WIDER IT IS, THE MORE PROBLEM IT IS IN THE FUTURE. OKAY, WELL, THE DAILY VOLUMES, THE MORE TRAFFIC WILL BE ON THERE. YEAH, THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD MAP BUT WE'LL LOOK AT IT. TO ME IT'S JUST LIKE OKAY, WELL I DON'T KNOW WHAT. YEAH. HOW MANY CARS AM I TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. LIKE WHAT IS THAT THE FAT PART. LIKE WHAT IS. YEAH I KNOW MORE CARS, BUT WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN? 15 IS FAT. YEAH. SO THE MPO DOES HAVE A GIS MODEL THAT THEY ACTUALLY PROGRAM THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES INTO. WE SIT DOWN EACH YEAR WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT GROWTH, WHICH AREAS OF TOWN WE'RE SEEING, GROWTH, HOW MUCH DENSITY WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BASED ON BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING IN THE AREA. IF IT'S BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, SAME WITH EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, ACTIVITY CENTERS. WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. WE GO THROUGH EACH WHAT WE CALL THAT'S A TAS. IT'S A TRANSIT AREA ZONE. AND WE TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS AND THAT ALL FEEDS INTO THEIR MODEL. AND THEN THEY'LL RUN THE TRANSPORTATION MODEL THAT PRODUCES THESE ITEMS. SO I MEAN IT IS A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT OF SCIENCE, RIGHT TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THAT. THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO JUST LIKE THE LONG RANGE PLAN IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT, IT'S LIKE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO. HOW DO WE WANT TO DO IT. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY REGULATORY. THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN IS REGULATORY. WE ARE GOING TO STICK TO THESE STREET CLASSIFICATIONS. AND THEN IF I GO ROTATE THIS BACK. IS THAT SHOWING H2 RIGHT THERE. THE H2. YES. THAT'S THE BLACK DASHED LINE. THE NEW FREEWAY STUFF. YEP. I WROTE PAGE NUMBERS DOWN SO I WOULD KNOW. SO THIS ALSO IN THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. WILL SHOW US OUR CROSS SECTIONS. SO WHAT IS A STRATEGIC ARTERIAL LOOK LIKE. HOW WIDE ARE THE LANE WIDTH. HOW WIDE IS THE PARK STRIP OR THE BUFFER. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SHARED USE PATH. SORRY THAT'S REALLY SMALL. SO.

OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S STRATEGIC ARTERIAL NEW. YES. THAT THAT'S LIKE ONE UP ABOVE WHAT WE HAVE.

PRINCIPAL PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL WHICH IS LIKE THE SUNNY SIDE OR HIT RIGHT. BUT NOW STRATEGIC IS LIKE SO YOU'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW THREE LANES MOVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, HAVE VERY FEW ACCESS

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RIGHT. AND THIS AGAIN, IT'S A REGIONAL DOCUMENT. IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH AMON ON. SO LIKE JOHN ADAMS, WHEN JOHN ADAMS GOES THROUGH IDAHO FALLS AND THEN CONNECTS INTO AMA AND WE WANT THOSE LANE WIDTHS TO MATCH, WE WANT THE PATHWAY TO MATCH. WE WANT THAT TO ALL COME TOGETHER. AND THEN THE LAST THING HERE THAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU.

TABLE. PAGE 18. AND THEN I THINK YOU SAID THIS, BUT WERE THERE EXAMPLES OF STREETS THAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO BE THESE PRINCIPAL ARTERIALS? YES. THAT GOES BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL MAP, THAT FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION. YES. OKAY. YEAH. SO HERE IN THE TABLES. SO HERE'S OUR INTERSECTION SPACING. SO EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE MEET WITH AND TALK WITH WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION MAP. WHAT IS THAT DESIGNATION. AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO TELL US RIGHT. SO A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL 660FT BETWEEN INTERSECTIONS. THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S MORE THAN MOST COMMUNITIES REQUIRE. BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING NOT TO REPEAT 17TH STREET. AND YOU ASK WHY IS 17TH A MINOR ARTERIAL. WELL BECAUSE IT MOVES A LOT OF TRAFFIC. IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH TOWN. THE REASONS THE MINOR ARTERIAL IS BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS ON IT AND THE SPEEDS ARE SLOWER BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAYS. IT'S NOT GOING TO FUNCTION LIKE SUNNYSIDE DOES AS FAR AS AS HOW IT WORKS, BUT A STRATEGIC WOULD BE IS LIKE NEXT LEVEL, RIGHT? 1300 FEET BETWEEN INTERSECTIONS, A QUARTER MILE. WE DO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A PROPERTY AND THEY ONLY HAVE FRONTAGE ON ARTERIAL WITH ZERO OTHER POINTS OF ACCESS. SO WE CAN'T SAY THEY CAN'T HAVE ACCESS. THEN WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A SHARED ACCESS. USUALLY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE TWO PROPERTIES, SHARED ACCESS TOGETHER SO THAT WE REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ACCESSES. SOMETIMES IF IT'S RIGHT AT AN INTERSECTION OR WHERE WE HAVE TURNING MOVEMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THEY INSTALL THE CENTER MEDIAN, THE CONCRETE MEDIAN SO THAT IT RESTRICTS IT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT. I'VE ALSO SEEN LIKE IN BIGGER AREAS WHERE THEY EITHER JUST LIKE EMINENT DOMAIN, THE WHOLE PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE JUST DON'T WANT YOU ON THIS ROAD, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT TAKING ALL YOUR PROPERTY. YOU'RE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OR THEY DO SOME SORT OF LIKE BACK FRONTAGE ROAD TO ANOTHER OTHER CROSSROAD THAT'S RARE FOR US. MORE COMMON FOR I-T-D. YEAH. YOU'LL SEE THAT. LIKE IF THEY WERE TO DO H-2 BECAUSE IT'S DOING WITH A FREEWAY SYSTEM OR A HIGHWAY SYSTEM THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS ON IT, THEY'RE FORCED TO TAKE THE WHOLE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PERMIT IT TO HAVE ACCESS ONTO A FREEWAY RIGHT AT 70 MILES AN HOUR. WE DON'T SEE THAT OFTEN, HOMES. IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT HOMES AVENUE BETWEEN 17TH AND YELLOWSTONE, AND IT NARROWS AS WE GO PAST IDAHO, IDAHO FALLS HIGH SCHOOL, THAT IS ALSO A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL. IT SHOULD BE MUCH WIDER ACCORDING TO ITS DESIGNATION. BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO WIDEN THAT ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY AN ENTIRE ROW OF HOMES AND BUSINESSES ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, RIGHT? TO MAKE THAT SOUND LIKE A PR NIGHTMARE, RIGHT? WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT DONE. YEAH. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, WE DO TRY TO WORK WITHIN THE PARAMETERS. WE SORT OF WORK WITH THE CANAL COMPANY TO WIDEN THE INTERSECTION AT 17TH AND PUT IN A RIGHT TURN LANE. WE'RE TRYING A LOT OF TIMES THE PINCH POINT IS THE INTERSECTION. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE FOCUSED ON NOW IS MAYBE FIXING THE INTERSECTION. IF WE CAN'T FIX THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE ROAD, BECAUSE THAT WILL MAKE IF STILL FUNCTION BETTER. THAT WOULD MAKE WOODRUFF FUNCTION BETTER. RIGHT. SO. LET'S SEE. I THINK I COVERED EVERYTHING ON THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD. OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE JUST STEMMING FROM WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE I'VE SEEN SOME EXAMPLES OF THE CITY CORRECTING SOME OF THESE ROAD ISSUES, LIKE PUTTING IN A CENTER BARRIER. THE EXAMPLE I THINK IT WAS ON 17TH STREET, LIKE IN FRONT OF ALBERTSONS, WHERE YOU PUT A BARRIER HERE AND YOU GET YOUR LEFT TURNING TRAFFIC OVER TO THIS DRIVEWAY INSTEAD OF THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE INTERSECTION. RIGHT? RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY MECHANISM TO CLOSE DRIVEWAYS? WE DO. SO THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN AGAIN THE ACCESS

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BUT THE UPDATED AERIAL ACTUALLY SHOWS IT. SO THE THISBE'S UP ON NORTHGATE MILE IN FRONT OF FRED MEYER, THAT USED TO BE A CAR DEALERSHIP. AND IT HAD TWO ACCESS POINTS ONTO NORTHGATE MILE, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL. DAYS GONE BY. YES. RIGHT. SO IT CHANGED. USE THAT AS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHEN A PROPERTY CHANGES ITS USE. SO IT WENT FROM A CAR DEALERSHIP TO A LIMITED EATING ESTABLISHMENT BEVERAGE THING. SO WE TOLD THEM THEY HAD TO CLOSE ONE OF THEIR ACCESSES. GOOD. ONE OF MY FAVORITE STOPS. OH REALLY? MIXOLOGY. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE ALSO MADE THEM DO LANDSCAPING. ISH. SO BEFORE IT WAS ALL JUST ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. NO SIDEWALK AT ALL. RIGHT. ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THIS ONE WAS CHALLENGING THOUGH, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY GOT IT TO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PARKING LOT, LAVA IS IMMEDIATELY UNDERNEATH THE ASPHALT LIKE IT'S RIGHT AT THE SURFACE. SO THE ABILITY TO DIG OUT LANDSCAPING AND HAVE TREES ACTUALLY SURVIVE IS PRETTY LIMITED. WE WERE ABLE TO VERIFY THAT WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WHO WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE UTILITIES IN THE AREA. I MEAN, PEOPLE THINK WE'RE JUST HARDCORE, BUT WE'RE REALLY WE'LL TALK THROUGH THINGS. AND IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE WAS JUST WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU PLANT A TREE THAT'S NOT GOING TO SURVIVE AND BE VIABLE. THAT'S NOT FUN FOR EITHER OF US. SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WE WORKED WITH THEM INSTEAD OF TREES. WE GOT LARGE BOULDERS JUST FOR SOME INTEREST. AND THEN THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FLOWERPOTS OUT THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY. SO. BUT THAT IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE WILL REMOVE AN ACCESS POINT SOMETIMES. THE OTHER THING WITH THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN IS IT DOES GIVE US OUR GUIDELINES FOR TRAFFIC STUDIES AND WHEN WE SHOULD REQUIRE THEM. THE STANDARD IS WHEN THE PEAK PM TRIPS. SO AGAIN THAT EVENING, TRAFFIC 4:00 TO SIX, AS WE HEARD TONIGHT IS GOING TO GENERATE.

IT'S MORE THAN 100 TRIPS OR 100 VEHICLE TRIPS. HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE A STUDY, IS IT JUST BASED OFF OF HOW MANY UNITS THERE ARE? SO WE'LL USE WHAT'S CALLED THE IT MANUALS. IT'S THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. SO IT'S A NATIONAL STANDARD. THEY ACTUALLY PRODUCE MANUALS THAT WE PURCHASE. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT USES IN THOSE. AND IT BOTH TELLS US SOMETIMES PARKING GENERATION, IF IT'S A USE THAT'S UNIQUE, THAT'S NOT IN OUR IN OUR ZONING STANDARD. OR IT WILL ALSO TELL US THE TRIP GENERATION. AND THEY'RE BASING THAT ON MULTIPLE STUDIES ACROSS MULTIPLE CITIES BASED ON THAT SPECIFIC USE. AND SO WE'LL START THERE. IF WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE THAN 100 TRIPS WITH RESIDENTIAL, IT'S BASICALLY 100 LOTS OR MORE.

SO IF WE GET A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT HAS MORE THAN 100 LOTS, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STUDY. COMMERCIAL IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE USE.

IF IT'S A LARGE TRIP GENERATOR, IT'S A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER. YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT A CALL CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE THAT TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY SOMETIMES.

AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO BE WORKABLE. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES. THE OTHER TONE THAT WE HAVE TAKEN IS, WELL, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON A TRAFFIC STUDY, THEN JUST PUT IN THE TURN LANE AND THE BARRIER, RIGHT. IF WE KNOW THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T HAVE FULL TURNING MOVEMENTS HERE. THEN WE NEED A DECEL LANE INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY AND PROVE IT, JUST DO IT. AND IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT, WE WON'T REQUIRE THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SAVES THE DEVELOPER TIME AND MONEY, AND WE STILL GET TO THE ENDPOINT WHERE WE NEED AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING DONE ON THOSE TOWNHOMES BY THE CANAL ON SUNNY SIDE. YES, JUST OFF OF HOMES. YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE THEY PUT IN A DSL LINE. CORRECT. AND THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ONE WHERE WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN EITHER SHOW US A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, OR YOU CAN JUST DO IT, DO IT YOURSELF, BECAUSE WE ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO GET A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SAYS, YOU WILL DO THAT. SO YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. SO YOU HAVE THESE ALL THESE HOMES, THESE OLD COUNTY HOMES ALONG SUNNYSIDE, EACH WITH THEIR OWN ACCESS RIGHT HERE TO THE RIGHT. YEP. SO IF A

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AND THEN HERE ARE ALL YOUR MAPS. HERE'S YOUR ZONING MAP. YOUR COMPREHENSIVE MAP. THE UTILITIES IS DOWN HERE. YEP. HERE'S THE AERIAL PHOTOS. OH, NICE. COOL. SO IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN THERE IN A MINUTE IT HAS CHANGED. IT IS CURRENT AND UPDATED. AND THERE'S SOME NEW BELLS AND WHISTLES FOR YOU THERE. SO I GOT ON IT LIKE A YEAR AGO WHEN THEY FIRST OR TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THEY MADE THIS.

YEAH. BUT NOW YOU HAVE MORE STUFF. SO THAT'S COOL. ALL RIGHT. AWESOME. ANYBODY. SORRY.

NO. YOU'RE GOOD. AND YOU CAN SWITCH THE BASE MAPS. I'M GOING TO SWITCH TO THIS MAP BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE WITHOUT THE AERIAL UNDERNEATH. SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT ZONING MAP. IT LOOKS LIKE GRANDMA'S QUILT. RIGHT. ALL THOSE PRETTY COLORS, WHICH I LOVE BECAUSE I'M A ZONING NERD. I'M GOING TO SWITCH. SO THAT'S THE CURRENT ONE HERE IS PRIOR TO 2018.

REMEMBER WE CHANGED OUR ZONING CODE IN 2018. GOT RID OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ZONES COMBINED. SOME THINGS SORT OF MOVED IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO THAT'S 2018. THAT'S 2018 OKAY. SO YELLOW IS R-1, RIGHT? SINGLE DWELLING RESIDENTIAL. NO. WE LIKE SINGLE DWELLING RESIDENTIAL, BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED. MORE OTHER STUFF. BUT WE RECOGNIZE BACK THEN EVEN THAT IT WAS UNSUSTAINABLE. RIGHT. THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLE MILES WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND, THE UTILITIES WE HAVE TO EXTEND. WE'RE GOING TO GO BANKRUPT. WE COULDN'T CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THAT WAY. IT WASN'T OVERLY SMART TO DO THAT. SO WE GET LIKE I SAID, WE GET THE QUESTION A LOT. WELL, HOW COME SO MANY TOWNHOMES AND HOW MUCH HOW COME SO MANY APARTMENTS? AND PARTLY I WANT TO SAY BECAUSE IT WAS INTENTIONAL. WE MADE A DECISION. WE MADE A CHOICE AS A COMMUNITY IN 2018 TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND TO DEVELOP IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I THINK THERE'S A BIG MISCONCEPTION IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT A HIGH DENSITY HOUSING COSTS US MORE, RIGHT? WHEN IT'S CHEAPER FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU MAKE A BIGGER TAX BASE, A SMALLER AREA, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN AS MANY ROADS, IT SUBSIDIZES THE R-1 NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, FOR

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BUT YOU MIGHT MOVE HOUSING TYPE THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT WAS SORT OF THE GOAL. SO IT WASN'T LET'S PICK ONE OVER THE OTHER. IT WAS LET'S TRY TO PROVIDE A MORE DIVERSIFIED HOUSING STOCK SO WE COULD ALSO MEET THE PRICE POINT. BUT I JUST I MEAN, THINK OF WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHERE THE ECONOMY IS, WHERE THE PRICE POINT OF HOMES ARE, AND THINK WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AND WHAT AFFORDABILITY WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE HAD WE STAYED WITH IT. RIGHT? IT WOULD BE. WE ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF A LOT OF COMMUNITIES BECAUSE WE MADE THAT CHOICE FOR THE LONG TERM PLAN AND ALL THESE LIKE TOWNHOMES AND STUFF, LIKE, YEAH, THEY MIGHT BE PRETTY MONOTONOUS IN THE SAME ONE AFTER ANOTHER OR EMAIL, BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY RELIEVING A LOT OF STRESS ON THE R-1 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 100%. RIGHT. AND I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF TOWNHOMES. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF APARTMENTS. WE ALL WISH WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.

RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE. WE WISH WE COULD SEE MORE DUPLEXES. WE WISH WE COULD SEE SOME CONDOS. WE WISH WE COULD SEE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. AND BUNGALOW COURTS, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STYLE WISE TOO, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. RIGHT? BUT LIKE, LIKE THE BEST EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF IS LIKE ON THE NUMBERED STREETS IN THE HISTORIC AREAS, YOU LOOK AT A BUILDING, YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT LOOKS LIKE JUST A REALLY COOL, BIGGER HOUSE, RIGHT? BUT THEN YOU LOOK CLOSELY AND THERE'S LIKE FOUR DOORS TO THAT THING, BUT THEY'RE ALL LIKE DIFFERENT PLACES. AND IT'S JUST LIKE VERY INTRIGUING TO LOOK AT. AND IT FITS RIGHT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SURE MISSING MIDDLE TALKS ABOUT THAT. BUT LIKE THAT STUFF SPECIFICALLY LIKE YOU COULD PUT THAT IN A LIKE A SAND POINT OR WHATEVER, LIKE IMAGINE A SAND POINT AND MAYBE JUST LIKE 2 OR 3 OF THOSE.

AND THE UNITS WERE STILL VERY NICE, YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE JUST SOME DIVERSITY THERE. I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST. YEAH. NO YOU'RE RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE QUESTION. THAT'S ALL. SO THIS IS TN RIGHT? WE CREATED TN IN 2018. ALONG THOSE LINES. WE WENT AND WE WALKED EVERY STREET IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WE DID JUST THAT. HOW MANY UNITS WHAT WAS THE DENSITY. WHAT WAS THE LOT SIZE. AND WE FOUND THAT IT WAS JUST THIS ECLECTIC MIX. YOU HAD SOME SINGLE FAMILY, YOU HAD SOME DUPLEXES, YOU HAD FOURPLEXES. WE HAD EIGHT PLEXES THAT I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE KNEW WERE EIGHT PLEXES RIGHT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY. AND SO WE DESIGNED THAT TN ZONE AROUND IT. AND WE AND WE CREATED THESE ORIGINAL LOTS THAT WERE THE 25 BY 110, ONE 5125 AND WE MADE THOSE ALL BUILDABLE. RIGHT. WELL, WHAT THAT TURNED INTO NUMBER WISE, WE ENDED UP WITH 90 NEW UNITS IN THAT IN THOSE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S AWESOME.

SO WE THINK THAT'S A THAT'S AN AWESOME SUCCESS, RIGHT? A LOT OF THEM ARE THOSE NARROWER TYPE UNITS. BUT IF YOU GO LOOK AT THOSE, THEY'RE FOUR BEDROOMS, TWO AND A HALF BATHS WITH NEW PLUMBING, NEW ELECTRIC. RIGHT. WHICH A HOME NEXT DOOR TO ITS 1940S, FOUR BEDROOM, ONE BATH WITH KNOB AND TUBE. YEAH, AND REALLY NOT ENERGY EFFICIENT, YOU KNOW. AND SO IT CREATED SOME SOME NEW VALUE IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE DIDN'T, WE HADN'T SEEN BEFORE. IT ALSO ALLOWED SOME PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE NUMBERED STREETS WHO OTHERWISE WOULDN'T HAVE LEARNED THEM WELL. AND IT ALSO OPENED UP LOTS THAT COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BUILT ON WITH THE R1'S. RIGHT? BECAUSE THOSE LOTS WERE DEVELOPED OR PLATTED OUT BEFORE ZONING EXISTED? PRETTY MUCH.

YEAH. IN THE CITY. RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO NOW IT UNLOCKED THAT. SO PEOPLE WHO DID OWN THOSE LOTS, OR MAYBE THEY HAD A 75 FOOT WIDE LOT OR 50 FOOT WIDE LOT, BUT THEN THEIR HOUSE WAS ONLY ON 25FT. THEY REALIZED LIKE, OH MY GOSH, I JUST NOW HAVE 390 GRAND. YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY HELPED ELEVATE PEOPLE FINANCIALLY. YEAH. IT ALLOWED THEM TO MAKE SOME DIFFERENT CHOICES. YEAH.

AND BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA, WITH THAT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE, WE ENDED UP

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AND THESE NEW FRONT FACING UNITS, LIKE ON A SATURDAY MORNING WALK, IT'S KIDS ON BIKES AND IT'S FLOWERPOTS AND IT'S DOGS PLAYING. SO YOU'RE ALSO REACTIVATING SOME OF THE STREETSCAPE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO YOU GET TO SEE YOUNG FAMILIES MOVE IN. SO AND IT WAS A LOT OF INFILL. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANY NEW ROADS FOR ANY OF THOSE. WE'RE NOT PLOWING ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. YEAH. SO IT WAS A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF THE LAND AS WELL. AND YOU'RE ALSO CLOSE TO THE CITY CENTER. LIKE AGAIN, I LIVE OVER HERE AND I DON'T EXPERIENCE TRAFFIC. I JUST DON'T. RIGHT. YEAH. I LIVE ON 10TH. I KATE CURLEY TRAFFIC'S NOT RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST REMIND YOU BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE SINCE WE'VE DONE SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND WE FORGET THAT WE DID THEM AND WHY WE DID THEM.

YEAH. AND THEN IT WAS SUCH A COOL THING TO DO. SO 90 NEW UNITS IS AWESOME. OKAY. THIS MAP. RIGHT. IS THAT OKAY? THIS IS A LITTLE ROUGH AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT I'M WORKING. I GOT LOTS OF OTHER THINGS ON MY DESK, SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, SO THE ORANGE DOTS ARE TOWNHOMES. THE RED DOTS ARE MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. SINCE 2018 THAT WE'VE CONSTRUCTED. YES.

APPROVED OR CONSTRUCTED IN THE WORKS. EACH ONE OF THESE IS A COMPLEX. YES. YEAH. NOT NECESSARILY ONE UNIT. CORRECT. EACH IS A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OF ANY SIZE. NO. SO EACH DOT. SO ONE DOT COULD MEAN LIKE 50 UNITS AND ONE DOT COULD MEAN TWO UNITS. YEAH. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A GENERAL OKAY. REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW WITH THIS MAP IS BECAUSE WE MADE CHANGES WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND WE MADE CHANGES TO TRY TO GET HOUSING CHOICE.

WE'RE DOING THAT. I MEAN, LOOK AT WHERE THESE ARE. THEY'RE IN EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY, AND THEY'RE IN AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE IN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. YEAH, THEY'RE INFILL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH YOUR RED DOTS THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY ARE ALONG MAJOR COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS WHERE YOU HAVE THE BEST FACILITIES. YEAH. SO AGAIN, I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE, ESPECIALLY ON THE TOWNHOME FRONT, WE'D LIKE SOME DIVERSITY AND SOME SOME, YOU KNOW, NOT THE SAME OLD THING ALL THE TIME AND MAYBE NOT A DEVELOPMENT OF 60 OF THE SAME THING. BUT LET'S MIX IT UP A LITTLE BIT. AND I THINK WE STILL CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES TO OUR CODES TO GET THERE. IS THAT WHAT FORM BASED CODE WOULD COME INTO PLAY? WE COULD RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY THINKING OF SOMETHING MORE LIKE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A MIX OF A FORM BASED CODE AND A REGULAR ZONING ORDINANCE. IT ACTUALLY HAS PERFORMING BETTER THAN THE FORM BASED CODE IS DOWNTOWN. OKAY. SO IT'S SIMPLER FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S SIMPLER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND, AND WE'RE GETTING A BETTER PRODUCT. SO WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT DIRECTION. BUT REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW IS JUST WE'VE DONE THIS AND I THINK EVERYONE WOULD SAY, YEAH, OH MY GOSH, THEY'RE BUILDING APARTMENTS IN EVERY PART OF THE CITY. BUT IT WAS ON PURPOSE, RIGHT. AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE THE MARKET IS THERE AND BECAUSE THE UNITS WERE NOT. WE UNDERBUILT APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOMES FOR SO MANY YEARS, FOR DECADES, BECAUSE SINGLE UNIT RESIDENTIAL IS SO SIMPLE TO BUILD, CONSTRUCT, FUND, FINANCE, SELL AND APPROVE AND APPROVE THAT. WE DID THAT FOR A LOT. SO WE'VE WIDENED OUR MEASURE. NOW, THE ONE THING THOUGH I DO, AGAIN, I WANT TO POINT OUT, BECAUSE IT DOES FEEL SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY IN READING NEWS ARTICLES LATELY, IT'S LIKE WE'RE PICKING ONE OVER THE OTHER. EVERY ZONE. AND I GOT SO EVERY ZONE THAT THESE TOWNHOME PROJECTS ARE IN OR THESE MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS ARE IN, EXCEPT FOR LIKE 4 OR 5 ZONES, WOULD ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY. RIGHT. SO THESE ARE THE ZONES THAT ALLOW SINGLE RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE CITY. SO OUR 17 ZONES, TEN OF THEM ALLOW FOR SINGLE UNIT RESIDENTIAL AS A PERMITTED USE. BY RIGHT. YOU JUST DO IT. SO THE DEVELOPER HAS THAT LAND AND WANTS TO BUILD THEM. THEY CAN. RIGHT. SO ANY OF THESE RED DOTS, ORANGE DOTS COULD HAVE BEEN SINGLE UNIT RESIDENTIAL DETACHED. SOME OF THEM ARE SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED. I THINK WHAT WE'RE SHOWING THOUGH IS WE'RE ALLOWING THE MARKET TO DO WHAT THE MARKET NEEDS TO DO.

WE'VE SORT OF GOTTEN OUT OF THE WAY OF THEM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A LIBERTARIAN, NOT TO GET POLITICAL, BUT LIKE WE SMALL, SMALL, A SMALL BIT OF POLITICAL, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW,

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WE'VE DONE A LOT SINCE THIS HEARING. WE'VE DONE 7 OR 8, RIGHT. SO NOBODY NOTICES THOSE HUNDREDS OF UNITS? NO. HUNDREDS OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LOTS HAVE BEEN PLATTED IN THE LAST YEAR. AND THAT GOES UNDER THE RADAR, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADD MAYBE SOME YELLOW DOTS TO THIS MAP, TOO, THAT SHOW WHERE THOSE ARE HAPPENING, AND MAYBE WE'LL PUT SOME YOU KNOW, THIS I'M HOPING WE CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF UNITS EACH THAT WE'RE DOING OF EACH TYPE. YEAH, WE'LL GET THERE. LAST THING, THIS IS THE 14 STRATEGIES FOR CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ACCELERATING YOUR HOUSING STOCK THAT'S PRODUCED BY THE NATIONAL PLANNING ORGANIZATION THAT I PROVIDED YOU IN AN EMAIL A WHILE AGO. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT OUT OF THE 14, WE'VE DONE TEN OF THEM IN SOME FASHION. THERE ARE SOME THAT WE THAT ARE STILL NEED TO WORK ON, AND THERE'S SOME THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO REVISIT. I THINK EDUCATION AND OUTREACH IS SOMETHING WE DID REALLY WELL BACK WHEN WE DID THE NEW ZONING AND THE NEW COMP PLAN. BUT IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AND WE PROBABLY AND WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW PEOPLE IN TOWN, OR PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT WITH HOUSING CHOICE. AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET BACK OUT AND DO A CIRCUIT AND TALK ABOUT WHY WE DID IT AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT. GOOD ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE HERE. SO I'M A REALTOR AND I TALK TO A BUNCH OF REALTORS. THEY LIKE ME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. AND I'M LIKE, I PROMISE, I ONLY KNOW A FRACTION OF YOU REALLY WANT ME TO SHARE. BUT THEY I EXPLAINED TO THEM, LIKE, NOW WHO ALL HERE KNOWS ABOUT THE TEN ZONE IN IDAHO FALLS? NONE OF THEM RAISE THEIR HANDS LIKE YOU GUYS. THESE ARE LITERALLY THE ZONE IS LIKE PERFECT FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND TO BUILD EQUITY. LIKE IF THEY WANT TO DO A DETACHED GARAGE IN THE BACK, RIGHT. BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS GARAGES NOW IT'S LIKE YOU'RE NOT SELLING THIS, YOU KNOW. AND SO LIKE TO GO ALONG WITH YOUR POINT. YEAH. OUTREACH AND EDUCATION I THINK IT THERE COULD ALWAYS BE MORE. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW TEN IS ONE OF THOSE CODE CHANGES WE'VE MADE. THERE'S CODE CHANGES THAT WE JUST APPROVED A COUPLE OVER THE LAST MONTH. AND THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY APPROVED THOSE LAST WEEK. RIGHT. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE WORKING TOWARDS FACILITATING ALL OF THIS AND GETTING TO THAT HOUSING CHOICE. YEAH. NUMBER NINE IS

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SO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS TONIGHT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I CAN ASK YOU. OKAY. JUST TRENDS WISE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SAW IT WITH THE STATEWIDE INITIATIVE ON HOUSING AND LAND USE. DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL PRESSURE COMING FROM THE STATE TO DEREGULATE? YES. YEAH. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THE STATE WANTS TO TAKE UP THE ISSUE OF HOUSING. IT'S A CHALLENGE ACROSS THE STATE. BUT WHAT I COULD SEE IS THEY SAY THAT. BUT BECAUSE IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR MINDS, IT JUST MEANS BUILD MORE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND DO IT FAST. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S HAPPENING IN MULTIPLE STATES, THOUGH, WHERE THE STATE GOVERNMENT IS SAYING LIKE IT'S TAKING AWAY MUNICIPALITIES RIGHTS TO. RIGHT. MY WORRY IS THAT THE EASY FINGER TO POINT IS IT'S REGULATION THAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM, WHICH. YEAH. AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRULY THE CASE BECAUSE WHEN I GO BACK AND I LOOK AT OUR AREA. AND YOU WOULD THINK BONNEVILLE COUNTY'S REGULATIONS WOULD BE NOT AS STRICT AS OURS, RIGHT? WE REQUIRE CURB AND GUTTER. THEY DON'T. THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS THERE. WATER AND SEWER EXTENSION. I MEAN, THEY DO HAVE THAT WITH THE WITH THE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. SO YOU WOULD JUST NATURALLY THINK, WELL, A TOWNHOME IN BONNEVILLE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE CHEAPER THAN ONE IN IDAHO FALLS. BUT IF YOU GO AND CHECK THE REAL ESTATE LISTINGS AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT FOR US, BUT A TOWNHOME AT BEACHS CORNER IS GOING TO COST THE SAME AMOUNT AS A TOWNHOME IN CARIBOU CROSSING 100% BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST BASING IT ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, NUMBER OF BATHROOMS. IT'S A COMPARABLE RIGHT. AND IN OUR AREA, CITY BOUNDARIES DON'T MEAN ANYTHING. RIGHT. SO THAT TO ME SAYS IT'S NOT A REGULATORY THING OVER ANOTHER. RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S A FREE MARKET. WHAT IS SOMEONE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.

AND THAT'S REALLY PART OF THE CHALLENGE. IT'S A MULTIFACETED CHALLENGE. BUT I THINK THE EASY THING HERE IS TO SAY, WELL, DEREGULATE THE CITY AND NOW TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY. YEAH. WHICH IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A VICIOUS CYCLE BECAUSE NOW DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE, I'D RATHER BUILD IN THE COUNTY AND THEN I CAN CHARGE STILL THE IDAHO FALLS PRICE, AND THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE MORE OF A PROFIT. AND NOW YOU'RE HAVING THE CITY OF BONNEVILLE, WHICH LIKE RIGHT, WHICH IS A MESS TO ME PERSONALLY. SO WE HAVE SOME EDUCATION TO DO WITH THE LEGISLATURE, TOO. AND WE'RE ACTIVE IN ALL OF THOSE COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS, TRYING TO GET OUR VOICE OUT THERE AND TELL THEM WHAT SOLUTIONS HAVE WORKED FOR US, HOW MUCH OF THAT DISCUSSION CAN CENTER AROUND CHANGING THE STATE LAW FOR FUNDING SCHOOL? RIGHT. AND THAT HAS TO CHANGE AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP. YEAH. AND UNTIL THE SUPERMAJORITY RULE IN THIS STATE BUILDING SCHOOL CHANGES. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THERE WAS A NEWS ARTICLE IN OGDEN, I THINK IT WAS TAXPAYERS ARE OUTRAGED BECAUSE THE DISTRICT WENT FOR A BOND.

SOUND FAMILIAR? LOST THE BOND. SOUND FAMILIAR? AND SO THEY COULDN'T BUILD THEIR SCHOOLS. SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO HIKE THE TAXES 37% TO COVER THE COSTS. BUT THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, RIGHT? IF WE DON'T SEE SOMETHING CHANGE, BECAUSE THE HIGH SCHOOLS REALLY NEED SOME FIXES. YEAH. SO YEAH, THOSE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WE NEED TO ADDRESS FOR SURE. WELL OKAY. SO FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION STANDPOINT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IS THE SCHOOL LOAD. CAN'T WE CAN'T RIGHT. IT'S REALLY NOT OUR OUR THING. AND WE DON'T MAKE THOSE

[02:05:02]

LET'S SEE WHAT THIS SUCCESSFUL THING DID. YEAH, BROKE MY HEART BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL WAS EMPTY. THE STREETS WERE INACTIVE. THE OFF THE USES THAT WERE THERE IN THE COMMERCIAL WERE AN ACCOUNTANT AND A LAWYER. YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T THE BAKERY AND THE COFFEE SHOP AND THE THING THAT EVERYBODY WANTS. YEAH. AND IT WAS OUT IN RURAL LONGMONT, COLORADO. ARE YOU SAYING THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT LAWYERS HERE? NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING YOU DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF STREET INTEREST. YOU DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF WALKABLE TRAFFIC. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE I MIGHT GET SOME FLACK FOR THIS. BUT SNAKE RIVER LANDING, THEY WANT TO BE THAT.

BUT IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU ARE ONLY HAVING YOU KNOW, I, I'M GLAD THERE'S BUSINESSES DOWN THERE. BUT YEAH THERE'S A LOT ACCOUNTANTS ALL THAT STUFF DOWN THERE. IT'S LIKE, THAT'S NOT SO PEOPLE AREN'T JAZZED ABOUT THAT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I DID, I WENT AND LOOKED AT MISSING MIDDLE FOR SUBURBIA. AND WE'RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WHERE WE'RE AT WITH HOW THAT WORKS.

AND SO SORT OF COMBINING THOSE THINGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ACTIVITY CENTERS AND WALKABILITY AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE AN ACTIVITY CENTER IN IDAHO FALLS IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER OR A MAJOR SHOPPING CENTER THAT EXISTS TODAY. SO I THINK THE ANSWER FOR IDAHO FALLS IS, HOW DO WE RETROFIT AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED? HOW DO WE CONNECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT THAT WE BUILD WALLS AROUND, BECAUSE WE'RE SEPARATING ALL THESE USES AND MAKE IT MORE CONNECTIVE. SO SOMEONE COULD CHOOSE TO WALK VERSUS GETTING IN THE CAR. IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO BE BUILDING THAT MIXED USE WHERE YOU'VE GOT A BAKERY ON THE BOTTOM AND APARTMENTS ABOVE. THE TYPE OF DEVELOPER THAT DOES THAT IS THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE JUST YOU GOT TO FIND THAT RIGHT PERSON AND IT'S GOT TO BE THAT RIGHT SPOT. AND I THINK WE JUST GOT TO HAVE A BIGGER POPULATION. YEAH. WELL SO REALLY IN IN ORDER TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A BETTER PUBLIC TRANSIT. RIGHT. SO REALLY IT'S HOW DO WE MAKE ALBERTSONS ON BROADWAY, CONNECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR. RIGHT.

AND THAT WILL BECOME A WALKABLE CENTER. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. WHAT REGULATIONS CAN WE PUT IN PLACE? WHAT SORT OF INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, WHAT WHAT COULD WE DO THAT WOULD MAKE US A SHOPPING CENTER THAT EXISTS? WANT TO MODIFY AND MAYBE PUT IN A PEDESTRIAN PATH OR A HOLE IN THE WALL SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT COULD JUST SORT OF WALK THROUGH? I DON'T LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND WINCO. YEAH, THAT WAS JUST THE LIQUOR STORE

[02:10:02]

YEAH, IT WASN'T ONE OF THOSE LOTS. SOMEONE WAS TELLING US THEY WERE TRYING TO GET A GROCERY STORE IN THERE. SO THIS LOT HERE WAS. YEAH, 49TH AND WOODRUFF WAS SIZED FOR A GROCERY STORE. YEAH. THE LOT OVER HERE. ALSO, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT LC IS ALLOWS BOTH THE GROCERY STORE AND THE APARTMENT BUILDING. HOW DO YOU TELL THE DEVELOPER? WELL, YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING UNTIL YOU BUILD THE GROCERY STORE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. GROCERY STORE IS GOING TO COME WHEN YOU GET THE ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT IT. AND SO IT'S ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH LAND ZONED PROPERLY WHEN WE GET THERE. AND THAT WAS THE NUMBER I WANTED TO GET FOR YOU, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR TONIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR ANNEXATIONS, RIGHT, RECENT ANNEXATION, RECENT ANNEXATION. AND THIS IS YOUR TO YOUR CREDIT, RECENT ANNEXATIONS, THEY'RE MULTICOLORED, THEY'RE MULTIFACETED, INDICATING WE WANT SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE SAME THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO NOW IT'S. WELL, HOW DO WE GET THAT RIGHT? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE PRESERVE THE COMMERCIAL? SO WHEN WE GET THE ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT THE GROCERY STORE, THERE'S A PLACE FOR IT. YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE SOME OF THAT OUT TO. BUT THAT'S WHY THESE SORRY, WE'RE GOING OVER THESE THREE CAR SUBURBS FROM LIKE BIGGER CITIES FROM LIKE 100 YEARS AGO. THAT'S WHY I LOVE THEM SO MUCH. THE STREETCAR SUBURBS. BECAUSE LIKE BACK THEN THEY HAD TO TAKE A STREETCAR, BUT THEY STILL HAD THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SO THAT. YEAH, I WONDERED WHO SET THE TEMPERATURE MORE BECAUSE I'M A FREAK. I DON'T GET TO TOUCH IT. SORRY. WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YOU GUYS HAVE STAYED MUCH LONGER THAN I INTENDED, BUT. GOOD. GOOD CONVERSATION. REALLY GOOD. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. JUST TO TALK WITH US ON THIS. YEAH, I HAVE ALL THESE IDEAS ALWAYS IN MY HEAD FOR QUESTIONS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS. SO NEXT MONTH IS A PRETTY LIGHT AGENDA. SO WE'LL PROBABLY TRY TO ADD SOME ORDINANCE CHANGES AS WELL AS MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL TRAINING ITEMS. SO I WILL FOR SURE MISS THAT. SO OKAY. IMPACT FEES WILL BE ON THE NEXT MEETING. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. IT'LL BE THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DISCUSS CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING TO IMPACT FEES. SO IS IT LIKE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE TO FOR HOW YOU'RE DOING IMPACT FEES? IS THAT WHICH THE IMPACT FEE ANALYSIS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS THAT GO WITH THE IMPACT FEES ARE AN APPENDIX TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO IN ORDER TO UPDATE THOSE, WE HAVE TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH REQUIRES WE COME TO YOU.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING. BUT YOU'RE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. SO THANK YOU OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. IS THAT LABOR DAY WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS. AFTER THE TUESDAY AFTER. YEAH OKAY. YEP. SEPTEMBER 2ND. LABOR DAY IS THE FIRST OKAY OKAY. AND WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER APPOINTED ON THE COMMISSION. SHE WILL BE THERE FOR SEPTEMBER. SO SHE WAS JUST APPOINTED LAST WEEK OKAY OKAY. TO PANTER. PANTER. SHE'S A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN TOWN. COOL. AND SHE LIVES AND RESIDES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST EAST OF NATURAL GROCER. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE COMMISSION, SO SHE KIND OF FITS TO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WOODRUFF. YEAH. THAT'S NICE. AND WE THEN STILL

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YEAH. WHAT'S MINE. YOURS. YOU JUST GOT REAPPOINTED. SO YOURS IS 2030. I THOUGHT YOU CAME IN AFTER ME. YEAH. HOW AM I ALREADY ON MY SECOND TERM? BECAUSE WE HAD TO STAGGER THEM. AND SO YOURS WAS ACTUALLY JUST A ONE YEAR APPOINTMENT BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL COMMISSION MEMBERS LEAVE. AND SO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT EVERYONE GOES OFF THE COMMISSION AT ONE TIME, YOU HAD AN INTERIM APPOINTMENT. YEAH. SO YOURS WAS A FULL YEAR. OH, SO MY SECOND TERM IS TECHNICALLY YOU'RE JUST YOUR FIRST. YOUR FIRST TERM IS TEN TERMS INTERIM OR AM I? NO. YOURS WAS UNBELIEVABLE. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU CAME IN AT A NORMAL LIKE YEAR 2032, 2032, 2030 AS WELL 2030, 2030. I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS. I SOMEHOW GOT THAT RARE NINE YEAR APPOINTMENT. YEAH YEAH OKAY. THANKS EVE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.