Jul 28, 2025 City Council Work Session

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE IDAHO FALLS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

AS COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH A PREFACE, I WILL NOTE WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA. BUT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GET GOING WITH THAT. I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. AND LET ME FIRST SAY THAT. COUNCILOR BURTON, SHE IS AWAY TODAY. AND NOT JUST MISSING IN ACTION.

SHE'S HAD HAD ARRANGED A FAMILY TRIP PRIOR TO, WELL, EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND SO SHE'S GONE.

ACTUALLY, WE DO HAVE HER ON TV. JUST WE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT IT JUST HAPPENED. IT WASN'T PLANNED THAT SHE'S GOING TO BE ON, BUT SHE IS ON NOW. PERFECT. PERFECT. OKAY.

COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW MAY HAVE LOST HER. SHE WAS ON JUST A SECOND AGO. WE'LL COME BACK.

COUNCILOR RADFORD, PRESENT. COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE.

COUNCILOR. FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM, AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN SHE'S BACK ON. OKAY? AND IT SOMETIMES TURNS OUT TO WHEN DOING REMOTE, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS AND THE INTERNET QUALITY. AND SOMETIMES IT'S JUST EASIER TO WATCH THE LIVE STREAM. BUT WE'LL NOTE THAT SHE'S AT LEAST TRYING TO TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION. AND LISA, IF IT JUST ENDS UP HAPPENING THAT YOU NEED TO WATCH IT, YOU CAN ALWAYS TEXT WHEN YOUR COLLEAGUES

[Airport]

EVERYBODY CLEARER THAN I WAS ON THE MOTION. READY TO GO. ALL RIGHT, CITY CLERK, WILL YOU CONDUCT A VOTE, FRANCIS A FREEMAN? YES. DINGMAN. YES. LARSON. YES. RADFORD. AYE. AND BURTENSHAW IS STILL OFFLINE. OKAY. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT.

[Idaho Falls Downtown Development Corporation]

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CATHERINE WOULD BE HERE, BUT SHE IS OUT TODAY. AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT TO YOU, DIRECTOR SANTER, FOR ANYTHING YOU MAY WANT TO SHARE. AND DIRECTOR SANDERS SEAT IS EMPTY BECAUSE HE'S PASSING OUT PACKETS RIGHT NOW, BUT HE'S ON HIS WAY BACK. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M AS YOU SAID, I'M A BIT OF A RENTAL FOR CATHERINE, BUT I'M JUST HERE TO INTRODUCE CARRIE HAMMOND, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF IDAHO FALLS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. IF YOU REMEMBER, IFDC HAD COME TO YOU ABOUT METERED PARKING AND HAD PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2024. THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE DIRECTOR ROLE. AND SO THEY'RE HERE BEFORE YOU. WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME SOME DIRECTION AS STAFF, BUT ALSO FOR THEM TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED PARKING METER FOR OUR DOWNTOWN, METERING FOR OUR DOWNTOWN AND PARKING ENFORCEMENT. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CARRIE. I NEED NO INTRODUCTION. HAVING BEEN TO THE EMPLOYEE FOR A GREAT MANY YEARS, EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE PRETTY COMFORTABLE IN KNOWING YOU, BUT WE'RE ANXIOUS TO HEAR FROM YOU IN WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO BRING TO THE TABLE TODAY.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I DID GO BACK AND WATCH THAT COUNCIL MEETING FROM NOVEMBER, SO HOPEFULLY I ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IN NOVEMBER, BUT FEEL FREE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP. SO IF YOU I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS INFORMATION, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THESE SLIDES WITH THE INTENT OF EDUCATING NOT ONLY YOU, BUT ALSO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE WATCHING THIS PRESENTATION, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY TO OUR OUR DOWNTOWN PARKING. SO I'LL KIND OF SPEED THROUGH THE HISTORY OF DOWNTOWN PARKING AND THEN GO RIGHT INTO THE NEEDS AND THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN AND WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. SO FIRST I EVERYBODY'S GOT TO PLAY WITH I SO I PLAYED WITH I THIS MORNING ASKING IT TO GENERATE SOME KIND OF ICE BREAKING IMAGE ABOUT DOWNTOWN PARKING. AND THIS IS WHAT IT CAME UP WITH. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF FUNNY, BUT I NEED SOME WORK. BUT I GOT TO TAP INTO THAT RESOURCE TODAY.

I WANTED TO START WITH THE MISSION OF IFDC. IT ADVANCES OUR HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN AS A REGIONAL CENTER FOR COMMERCE, CULTURE AND LEISURE ACTIVITIES FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. AND EVERYTHING WE DO GOES RIGHT BACK TO THAT MISSION. SO WE LIKE TO PUT IT FIRST AS A REMINDER OF WHY WE'RE HERE AND WHAT WE DO. TODAY'S AGENDA TEAMS AND PARTNERS, STAKEHOLDERS, OBJECTIVES. SO THIS IS JUST A LIST OF WHAT WE'LL GO THROUGH TODAY. I WANT TO LEAVE PLENTY OF TIME AT THE END. MAYOR SAYS WE HAVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES. SO DIRECTOR SANDERS CAN KIND OF HELP ME KEEP KEEP ON TRACK AND WRAP UP THE. THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. TEAMS AND PARTNERS. AS I SAT DOWN AND WROTE DOWN A LIST OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN DOWNTOWN PARKING, I'M SURE I MISSED SOMEBODY OR SOME ENTITY, BUT IT'S NOT DONE JUST BY IFDC.

WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY. I THINK CITY STAFF CAN ATTEST TO THE AMOUNT OF PHONE CALLS I'VE MADE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. JUST ASKING QUESTIONS, GETTING HISTORY. THEY'VE BEEN PHENOMENAL TO WORK FOR OR WORK WITH. I DO WANT TO MENTION, FIRST OF ALL, OUR PARKING AMBASSADOR. HE'S A STAFF WITH DDC AND THAT'S JUAN. SO HE'S THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND GETTING THINGS DONE. HE'S EXCELLENT AT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND DOES A FANTASTIC JOB WITH OUR PARKING.

NOT JUST ENFORCEMENT, BUT ALSO EDUCATION. OUR PARKING COMMITTEE, WE HAVE OUR COMMITTEE CHAIR. AS I RAISE, RAISE YOUR HAND AS I MENTION YOUR NAME, IF YOU WILL, JAKE. BRANDI NEWTON, JILL HANSEN, KEVIN CUTLER, MATT JACOBSON, AND I DON'T THINK CHIP IS HERE, BUT I THINK I GOT EVERYTHING RIGHT THAT I MENTIONED EVERYBODY. SO I ALSO APPRECIATE THEIR TIME. THEY'VE BEEN LIKE SO MUCH SUPPORT AND SO MUCH HELP TO ME, ESPECIALLY CATCHING ME UP. I KNOW KNEW SOME ABOUT DOWNTOWN PARKING FROM WORKING FOR THE CITY, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES. SO THAT PARKING COMMITTEE HAS BEEN FANTASTIC WITH HELPING ME GETTING UP TO SPEED. STAKEHOLDERS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN PARKING, THERE ARE A LOT OF ENTITIES THAT USE DOWNTOWN PARKING AND A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED THAT WE RECOGNIZE. WE LOOK AT, WE TALK ABOUT OFTEN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING THE NEEDS FOR ALL OF OUR USER GROUPS. SO THIS IS JUST A REVIEW OF ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. I WON'T GO THROUGH AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, BUT JUST REALIZE WHAT AND WHO DOWNTOWN PARKING IMPACTS. RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES, VISITORS AND

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I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM SINCE THEY'RE IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I DO WANT TO DISCUSS THE HISTORY, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND THE IDAHO FALLS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF OUR BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, JUST A REMINDER OF OUR BOUNDARIES, WHICH IS YELLOWSTONE. OVER TO MEMORIAL DRIVE AND CLIFF UP TO D STREET WITH THE NEW FIRE STATION ONE IS LOCATED. IN HISTORY. THE PACKET THAT I HANDED OUT TO ALL OF YOU, I INCLUDED. THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF THE METERED PARKING ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS WORD FOR WORD. WHAT I GOT FROM THE ORDINANCE, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO HIT ON THE THIRD BULLET DOWN, IT SAYS THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE, LIMIT AND CONTROL TRAFFIC AND PARKING WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES.

CONSIDERING THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS AND ITS AUTHORITY, AS WELL AS PLACE CARE FOR AND REMOVE PARKING METERS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARKING METERS TODAY, CONSIDER THAT THAT COULD BE MECHANICAL. OR THEY COULD BE APP BASED, TECHNOLOGY BASED METERS. BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THE WORD METER, THEY'RE THINKING OF A PARKING METER. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT PARKING METERS, THE LAST BULLET MECHANICAL OR APP BASED I INSERTED THAT ARE INTENDED TO RELIEVE CONGESTION, PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE TURNOVER OF ON STREET PARKING SPACES. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ON STREET PARKING, REMEMBER THAT THE TURNOVER THAT IS OUR GOAL. JUST LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT AND YOU SIT DOWN AT A TABLE, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE TURNOVER. IT'S BUSY RESTAURANT, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO TURN OVER THOSE TABLES AND GET MORE CUSTOMERS IN. THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE ON STREET PARKING AS WELL. I DID HAVE SOMEBODY RECENTLY SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A NONPROFIT MEANING IFDC CAN ENFORCE PARKING. SO THIS I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS GIVES US THAT THROUGH AN MOU AND THROUGH AN ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE PARKING DOWNTOWN. SO HISTORY, IF YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT PAGE, IS OUR MOU OR OUR MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF THAT. WE RECENTLY UPDATED THAT WITH AN AMENDMENT THROUGH THE CITY'S CITY ATTORNEY. SO SECOND BULLET DOWN CITY PAYS IFDC 92,200 PER YEAR TO MANAGE AND ENFORCE ON STREET AND OFF STREET PARKING IN DOWNTOWN. WE COLLECT THE REVENUE FROM THE PARKING PROGRAM THAT ARE ACCOUNTED FOR AND USED EXCLUSIVELY ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT OF CITY STREETS, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, PUBLIC PARKING FACILITIES AND PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND THEN ONE, TWO, THREE, THE FOURTH ONE DOWN. NOTHING IN THE MOU PRECLUDES

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THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MANAGED BY IFDC A LOT, WHICH IS BEHIND IDAHO MOUNTAIN TRADING 75 SPACES, B LOT BEHIND CHANNEL BED BLEND AT 63 SPACES. CAPITAL LOT, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S NEAR THE COUNTY ELECTIONS OFFICE, 63 SPACES. THE BROADWAY PARKING GARAGE. THERE ARE 44 PERMITS IN THAT GARAGE. THEN WE HAVE, OF COURSE, FREE DATE FREE ALL DAY PARKING, WHICH IS ON THE MAP AS WELL. FREE PARKING THROUGHOUT THE BID FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES THERE. THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR THAT. SO THEY PARK, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SOME DESIGNATED SPOTS FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, THEY THEY DON'T GET A PARKING CITATION FOR PARKING IN FRONT. SO EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN DESIGNATED SPOT, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE REAR VIEW MIRROR. YEAH. CORRECT. FREE ON STREET PARKING FOR GENERAL PUBLIC AFTER 6 P.M. ON WEEKENDS. THIS IS CURRENTLY AND DURING FEDERAL HOLIDAYS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE BIKE RACKS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT CHOOSE TO RIDE THEIR BIKE DOWNTOWN. FIVE PAY STATIONS LOCATED IN FOUR DIFFERENT PARKING LOTS. WE HAVE ONE AT THE BROADWAY PLAZA BEHIND SMOKE AND FINS ON CAPITOL AVENUE BETWEEN A AND B STREET. THE B PARKING LOT BEHIND CHANNEL BLEND. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO IN OUR A LOT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR BIGGEST LOT. THEY'RE BEHIND IDAHO MOUNTAIN TRADING. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE PAY STATIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO UP AND PAY FOR PARKING IN THOSE LOTS. ALL FIVE PAY STATIONS ARE PAID OFF, BUT THEY ARE VERY DUE FOR MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES. ON SOME OF THOSE. WE USED TO HAVE SIGNAGE ABOVE THESE PARKING METER OR IF YOU WILL PAY STATIONS. IT USED TO BE LIKE A.

MATERIAL KIND OF FLIMSY. THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED. AND I'M PROPOSING THAT WE ADD THE NEW PAY STATION SIGNAGE THAT IS COMPLIANT WITH MUTCD. THAT'S ON THAT PAGE AS WELL. SO I WORK WITH BRIAN ON THAT SO THAT THAT SYMBOL. I'M JUST CURIOUS. COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT IS AN INTERESTING SYMBOL TO ME BECAUSE I IT DOESN'T SCREAM TO ME, OH, THIS IS A PAID PARKING SPACE.

BUT WILL WE WILL IT REPLACE THE P FOR PARKING OR WILL IT ACCOMPANY IT. THIS IS JUST IN THE COMPANY. AND THIS IS JUST FOR AT THE CURRENT PAY STATIONS THAT WE HAVE. SO IT'LL JUST GO MAYBE JUST LIKE A STICKER MOUNTED ON THERE BELOW THE IT CAN BE PUT ON A SIGN, THE ONE BEHIND ACTUALLY ON THE BROADWAY PLAZA. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A POLE RIGHT THERE CURRENTLY. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH JILL ON THAT, WHERE WE WOULD PUT THAT SIGNAGE. BUT GETTING STANDARDIZED SIGNAGE THAT WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE IN ALL OF OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION WHERE YOU GO TO PAY. SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT ICON, IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE PROPOSING MOVING FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST CURIOUS. I'VE HEARD COMMENTS AND WE ALL HEAR THEM. YOU KNOW, WHEN KINDLE CAME OUT, PEOPLE SAID BOOKS ARE GOING TO BE OBSOLETE. WELL, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU HEAR THAT COINS ARE GOING TO BE OBSOLETE. AND SO I THAT I JUST FIND THAT TO BE INTERESTING. MAYBE WHATEVER I HEARD ABOUT COINS BECOMING

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YES. TWO OF THOSE. YEP. AND WE DO GO AROUND AND EMPTY THOSE COINS AND INTERESTING.

THANKFULLY I HAVE ONE TO HELP ME WITH THAT. OUR CURRENT PARKING RATES AND FEES. SO THE PAY STATION ON BROADWAY PLAZA, YOU CAN SEE THAT HOURLY AND THE DAY RATES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, PUBLIC PARKING FEES. AND THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE FEE SCHEDULE. IT'S UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE THOSE FEE SCHEDULES FOR THE CITATIONS RESIDE. CURRENTLY PAID STATION FEES. HISTORICALLY, THESE ARE HISTORICALLY AVERAGE FEES, AND THEY FLUCTUATE DEPENDING ON THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE TRANSACTION. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. AS WE GET FARTHER INTO THE PRESENTATION. BUT 35% AVERAGE EPS IS OUR PROVIDER. SO WHEN YOU SEE IPS REFERENCED, THIS IS WHO WE USE FOR OUR PARKING SOFTWARE AND SOME OF OUR HARDWARE. AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S A 25 CENT AVERAGE MERCHANT SERVICES. WHEREVER YOU GO, YOU PAY WITH YOUR CREDIT, CREDIT OR DEBIT CARD. THERE'S A MERCHANT SERVICE PROCESSING FEE. PARKING REVENUE SOURCES, THE PARK. IF CITY SUPPORT THAT WE GET FROM THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS IS 92,200 ANNUALLY. PARKING CITATION. THIS IS AVERAGE OVER TWO YEARS. HISTORY. ABOUT $50,000 A YEAR. SORRY. CITATIONS. OUR PARKING LOT PERMITS 187,000 PER YEAR, APPROXIMATELY, SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS $329,200 APPROXIMATELY. ANNUAL PARKING EXPENSES. PARKING LOT MAINTENANCE IS ABOUT 36,500.

ENFORCEMENT EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE THROUGH THE IPS 32,500 AND SALARIES. THIS IS ESTIMATED AT 142,000, SO THE TOTAL ANNUAL PARKING EXPENSES ON AVERAGE IS 211,000 APPROXIMATELY YEARLY.

THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST FOR THE REPORTING THAT WE GIVE TO THE CITY ANNUALLY. SO I BROUGHT UP SOME FIGURES. AGAIN, THIS IS FROM JULY TO JULY, SO IT CAN GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND MONTHLY. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE I DID HAVE A LADY COME IN AND SHE THOUGHT FOR SURE SHE WAS GETTING TARGETED, WOULD TAKE LESS TICKETS IN THE WINTER MONTHS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, THOSE ARE HISTORICALLY ACTUALLY LAST YEAR WERE HIGHER. DECEMBER IS LOWER. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY AND THE TIME THAT WE HAVE OFF WITH STAFF. FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN PARKING. INSTEAD OF SIMPLY FINDING A PARKING SPOT SPOT, OUR GOAL IS TO ENSURE CUSTOMERS EFFORTLESSLY ARRIVE, IMMEDIATELY LOCATE AND CONVENIENTLY ACCESS PARKING RIGHT AT THE DOORSTEP OR NEAR THEIR DESIRED DESTINATION DOWNTOWN. WE WANT THEIR FIRST IMPRESSION TO BE ONE OF SEAMLESS EASE, NOT FRUSTRATING SEARCHES EVEN I WHEN I FIRST STARTED, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORTS TO IMPROVE OUR PARKING SITUATION, BUT IT TOOK ME A MINUTE. ONE HAD TO DRIVE ME AROUND QUITE A BIT AND TEACH ME A LOT ABOUT OUR DIFFERENT PARKING SPACES THAT NEED MORE WAYFINDING. THEY NEED IMPROVEMENTS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS ONE WAY TO GET THERE. I NOTICED ON ONE OF THE POPULAR FACEBOOK GROUPS OUT THERE RECENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING IT, BUT THERE WAS THE QUESTION SHOULD. I DON'T KNOW WHO POSED IT, BUT THERE WAS A POLL. SHOULD DOWNTOWN HAVE A PARKING GARAGE? AND LOTS OF COMMENTS FOLLOW THAT. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD PUT A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE IN THERE. FOR THOSE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT PARKING GARAGE BEING A BUZZ WORD THAT WE'VE ALL HEARD. I'VE HEARD IT SINCE I STARTED WORKING HERE TO THE CITY. AND OF COURSE, NOW WHY NOT JUST BUILD A PARKING GARAGE? AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT SUMMARY THAT I FOUND AN INVESTOR LOOKING TO BUILD AN EXPENSIVE DOWNTOWN PARKING GARAGE FACES SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL HURDLES HURDLES PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING POLICY, OFFERS PRIME CURBSIDE PARKING FOR FREE. THIS CREATES A DIRECT AND FORMIDABLE COMPETITOR, MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR PAID GARAGE TO ATTRACT CUSTOMERS AND GENERATE THE REVENUE NEEDED TO JUSTIFY HIGH CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATING COSTS. THE DEMAND FOR PAID PARKING WON'T MATERIALIZE AS SOON AS LONG AS FREE OPTIONS REMAIN ABUNDANT. THE CURRENT FREE PARKING POLICY ESSENTIALLY DEVALUES PARKING AS A COMMODITY.

I REMEMBER ONE OF MAYOR'S COMMENTS WHEN I REVIEWED THE PRESENTATION IN NOVEMBER WAS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT, WHERE I GIVE SOMETHING OF VALUE AWAY FOR FREE, UNLESS THE CITY AND ITS DOWNTOWN AUTHORITY IS WILLING TO ADJUST ITS POLICIES, IMPLEMENT METERS, LIMIT TIME

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YEAH. WE HAD TO THROW OUT ONE THAT STOPPED ME. RIGHT? THERE. FAULT. I WOULD CHECK WITH IDA HARDCASTLE. THAT'S YOUR FIRST STOP. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, SO THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN PARKING PARK SMARTER. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE KEY FEATURE. NOW THIS IS AN APP AGAIN, AS WE REFER TO METERS MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR PAY STATIONS THAT EXIST CURRENTLY THAT WILL REMAIN IN PLACE FOR NOW. THIS IS AN APP. SO THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION. AND THIS IS MOVING FORWARD WITH TECHNOLOGY. A SINGLE SIGN ON USING THE SAME CREDENTIALS. IT HELPS YOU ACTUALLY FIND A SPOT. SO IF YOU GO ON THERE NOW IT IS LIVE BUT IT'S JUST NOT WORKING TO ITS FULL CAPACITY YET. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE SPOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. SO IT'S TO HELP YOU FIND SPOTS, REAL TIME NOTIFICATIONS. SO IT ACTUALLY ALERTS YOU INSTEAD OF YOU WATCHING FOR ONE GO WALKING BY.

THIS ALERTS ALERTS YOU THAT YOUR TIME ON THE METER. REMEMBER WHEN I SAY METER I REFER TO APP IS ALMOST UP AND PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GO ON TO THEIR APP METER AND APPLY MORE MONEY IF THEY WANT TO STAY THERE LONGER. IT'S OFTEN THAT I GET PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT GET PARKING CITATIONS THAT ARE IN THE SALON, NOT ANTICIPATING THAT THEIR APPOINTMENTS GOING TO TAKE THAT MUCH TIME, AND THEY NEED TO ADD MORE INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND MOVING THEIR CAR. THIS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT STUFF IN THEIR HAIR. YEAH, OKAY. ABILITY TO PAY AND EXTEND PARKING ALLOWS MULTIPLE VEHICLES AND CREDIT CARDS UNDER ONE ACCOUNT. YOU GET LIVE REPORTS, YOU GET LIVE ALERTS, REPORTING AND DATA ANALYTICS. I'M A HUGE FAN OF ANALYTICS, SO THIS IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT TOOL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE. AND THEN IT EASILY INTEGRATES WITH OUR IPS METERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. CARRIE, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT BOISE USES PARK MOBILE. WHAT MADE US DECIDE TO GO WITH A DIFFERENT APP? I MEAN, NOT THAT IDAHO HAS TO HAVE THE SAME OR THAT ALL CITIES HAVE TO BE THE SAME, BUT I IMAGINE YOU LOOKED AT MORE THAN ONE SERVICE BEFORE LANDING ON THIS ONE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT SOME OF THE CRITERIA WERE THAT MADE YOU CHOOSE THIS ONE? GOOD QUESTION.

AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY THAT'S ONE FOR THE PARKING COMMITTEE, BECAUSE SOME OF THAT WAS DONE BEFORE I ARRIVED. OKAY. BUT ONE OF THE OPTIONS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT IS IPS AS OUR CURRENT PROVIDER. AND SO MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR PROVIDER AND MAKING IT SEAMLESS, AND WE'RE MAKING ENOUGH CHANGES RIGHT NOW THAT THAT WASN'T ONE WE WERE WILLING AND MAYBE THAT WAS TAUGHT TO US IN NOVEMBER AND I JUST DIDN'T REMEMBER, SO I APOLOGIZE. NO THAT'S FINE. GOOD QUESTION. A COUPLE OF MORE HOW IT WORKS. PEOPLE DOWNLOAD THE APP, THEY ENTER THEIR CUSTOMER INFORMATION. SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE TIME CONSUMING THE FIRST TIME YOU SET IT UP. JUST LIKE WITH ANY APP, SET THE TIME YOU DESIRE AGAIN, IT SENDS YOU A NOTIFICATION. WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT YOUR TIME IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE, YOU CAN ADD MORE AND THEN THE USER PAYS FROM WITHIN THE APP.

CREDIT DEBIT CARDS MOBILE PAYMENT OPTIONS INCLUDING APPLE PAY AND GOOGLE PAY, OR TEXT TO PLAY TO PAY. AND THEN THERE IS A DEMO. OF ARE YOU ABLE TO? OKAY, SO HERE'S A QUICK DEMO. CONTROL OF YOUR SERVICE OKAY. THANK YOU. ROLLING IT OUT. SO THE WAY WE PROPOSE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS

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PARK CAPITAL ON STREET PARKING CHANGED FROM TWO HOUR PARKING LIMIT TO METERED PARKING VIA THE PARK SMARTER APP AND IMPROVEMENTS TO ALL IFDC MANAGED PARKING LOTS, INCLUDING THOSE LOCATED IN PHASE ONE. SO WE HAVE IMPROVED WAYFINDING, WHICH IS MUCH NEEDED. I RECOGNIZE THAT I THINK WE ALL DO MAINTENANCE INTEGRATED IPS TECHNOLOGY TO MANAGE PARKING LOTS, INCREASING EFFICIENCIES AND STREAMLINING PROCESSES. SO CURRENTLY WHAT WE USE WITH STAFF IS SPREADSHEETS AND NUMEROUS OTHER DIFFERENT METHODS TO KEEP TRACK OF OUR, OUR OUR PARKING PERMITS. IPS DOES HAVE A SOLUTION AVAILABLE, BUT OF COURSE THERE'S IT COSTS MONEY TO DO SO TO HAVE THEM HELP US MANAGE OUR, OUR PERMITS AND OUR PARKING LOT. SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER FEATURE THAT WE WOULD LOOK INTO WITH PHASE TWO. AND THEN TIMELINE OR THE BENEFITS OF A PHASED APPROACH IS TIME TO LEARN AND FINE TUNE THE SYSTEM. FOLLOWING PHASE ONE, THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS THAT COME OUT

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SO YOU NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEES FOR EACH HOUR. 35 CENT IPS PROVIDER PARK SMART OR CONVENIENCE FEE. THEN THERE'S THE 30 CENT AVERAGE AMD. AMD IS THE PROVIDER. THE MERCHANT SERVICES THAT WE USE PROCESSING FEE FOR SMALL AMOUNTS. SO WE GET A REDUCED RATE FOR THOSE SMALL AMOUNTS. AND THIS IS WHO IPS USES QUITE A BIT. IS THE AMD THE THRESHOLD OF WHEN THE MERCHANT PROCESSING FEES INCREASE TO 2 TO 3%? IT DEPENDS ON THE TOTAL TRANSACTION FEE. SO WHEN IT REACHES ABOUT 10 TO $15 OF THE TOTAL TRANSACTION IS WHEN YOU GET CHARGED ADDITIONAL FEES FROM MERCHANT SERVICES. BOTH FEES ARE PAID BY THE CONSUMER AND BOTH FEES ARE APPLIED WITH EACH NEW TRANSACTION. THAT INCLUDES WHEN A CONSUMER ADDS MORE TIME TO THEIR PARKING APP METER. I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION LAST TIME I WATCHED THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT POSSIBLY GIVING AWAY THE FIRST 30 MINUTES FOR FREE, BUT THE INDUSTRY STANDARD BEST PRACTICES IS NOT TO DO THAT. IT LEADS TO AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND IS A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING TO CONTROL. AND THEN, OF COURSE, I JUST REFLECTED BACK ON THE MOU ABOUT THE PARKING PROGRAM AND THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING. IT GOES RIGHT IN DIRECTLY INTO A PARKING LINE ITEM THAT WE HAVE. SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT FUNDING GOES TO. AND WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS SLIDE. BUT I DID WANT TO LOOK AT I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE OTHER FEES FROM SURROUNDING CITIES. SO BOISE'S PARKING RATES I KNOW IS SMALL. FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THE SCREEN, ENFORCEMENT HOURS ARE HARD FOR ME. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 TO 8, IT LOOKS LIKE RATES ARE $2 FOR THE FIRST HOUR, $3 FOR THE SECOND HOUR, AND THAT'S IN ZONE ONE. SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ZONES. ZONE TWO THE RATES ARE $1.25 FOR THE FIRST HOUR, $2 FOR THE SECOND WITH A TWO HOUR MAX. SO THEY HAVE MAX TIMES ON THAT ZONE, THREE ENFORCEMENT HOURS. AND THEN THE RATES $0.50 FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND HOURS, $1 FOR THE THIRD AND FOURTH HOURS AND FOUR HOUR MAX. AND YOU SEE THE ZONES ARE IN THERE AS WELL. OF COURSE, THE LESS EXPENSIVE ZONES OR RATES ARE THOSE THAT ARE NOT THE PRIME PARKING SPOTS, SO THEY'VE CHANGED THEIRS DEPENDING ON THE ZONES. OGDEN PARKING RATES. AND THESE ARE ALL, ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITES. OGDEN PARKING RATES UP TO AN HOUR IS $1.50 TO $2 IN THE STREET. EACH ADDITIONAL HOUR IS $1.50 TO $2, AND DAILY MAX IS 8 TO 10. AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RATES FOR SPECIAL EVENT RATE. AND THAT

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YEAH, YEAH. AND ON WEEKENDS WE WON'T CHARGE IT ALL AT NO CHARGE. AND IT'S, AND WE, WE KIND OF WE WENT BACK AND FORTH. WHAT DO YOU PUT ON THE SIGNS. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO CLUTTER THE SIGN WITH TOO MUCH INFORMATION. BUT YOU ALSO NEED JUST NEED TO CLARIFY SOMEWHERE.

SO IT'S WITHIN THE APP. WE'LL CLARIFY THE HOURS OF WHEN IT'S NEEDED OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN I WILL COME BACK TO THE RATES ONCE I GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC EDUCATION PIECES REAL QUICK HERE. SO WE DID GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PLANNER WITH CITY STAFF. SO WE CAME UP WITH A TOP SCORE OF THREE. FOR THOSE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A PUBLIC OUTREACH PLANNER TOOL IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY USES WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT LARGER PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE PUBLIC EDUCATION, AND IT HELPS THEM DETERMINE THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC EDUCATION AND RECOMMENDS TOOLS TO USE FOR THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION. SO THESE ARE SOME KEY MESSAGING THAT WE CAME UP WITH.

WE HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, BUT WE DO HAVE A DRAFT ONE OUT THERE INCLUDED THE KEY MESSAGING AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR COMMUNICATION CHANNELS THAT WE WOULD USE. DEDICATED IDK PARKING WEB PAGE. WE JUST WERE IN THE PROCESS OF REDOING DC'S WEBSITE THAT SHOULD GO LIVE HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH. AND SO THAT WILL BE WHERE WE'LL HAVE A LANDING PAGE, MUCH LIKE WE DO WITH PUBLIC EDUCATION WHEN WE DO IT FOR THE CITY, FOR LARGE PROJECTS WHERE EVERYBODY CAN GO FOR ALL THE INFORMATION, FAQS, VIDEOS. THERE ARE THREE WAYS TO PARK. WE WILL ALSO HAVE A, OF COURSE, SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGNS. WE HAVE A DOWNTOWN NEWSLETTER THAT WE SEND OUT EVERY OTHER MONDAY. WE ALSO HAVE AN E-NEWSLETTER THAT WE SEND OUT JUST TO THE DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESSES. SO WE'LL HAVE MORE TARGETING, TARGETED MESSAGING FOR THEM. AND OF COURSE, TRADITIONAL MEDIA PRESS RELEASES, PSAS ON SITE AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON SITE PARKING AMBASSADORS SIMILAR TO JUAN. AND THEN OF COURSE, ME. AND THEN CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONS MANAGER. THAT WAS THE POSITION I HELD BEFORE, BUT THAT INDIVIDUAL, WE DID OFFER SOMEBODY THE JOB AND THEY WILL START IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS, 2 TO 3 WEEKS. SO WE WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FULL TIME EMPLOYEE, TEMPORARY TEMPORARY SANDWICH BOARD, SIGNAGE THAT WOULD USE A PRIME INTERSECTIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE OUT THERE DURING ROLLOUT OF THIS PROGRAM IF APPROVED. AND THOSE WOULD. WE'VE LOOKED AT OPTIONS OF HAVING QR CODES AVAILABLE ON THOSE. THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE PARKING SIGNS THEMSELVES. BUT IN SOME OF THE TEMPORARY MESSAGING AND SOME OF THE OTHER PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WE DO, INCLUDING QR CODES. CLEAR

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WHETHER IT'S $1 OR $2, THOSE FEES ARE GOING TO BE TACKED ON. SO YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE PROGRAM ITSELF CONSIDERING THE FEES TOO. OKAY. AND SO BY THE TIME YOU GET TO YOUR FOURTH HOUR, YOU WILL ALREADY HAVE $6 PLUS SOME FEES THAT YOU'VE EARNED. AND SO THE SIXTH HOUR COULD THEN BE 11 PLUS FEES OR EVEN HIGHER BECAUSE THAT WOULD. SO WE WEREN'T GOING.

FOURTH HOUR WAS $5, SIXTH HOUR WAS FIFTH HOUR WAS SOMETHING, SEVENTH HOUR WAS SOMETHING HIGHER. IT WAS JUST THE FOURTH HOUR. IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS LAST NUMBER. YEAH. WE WERE GOING TO GO UP. YEAH. OKAY. MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHT AND IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO BITE ME IN THE BACKSIDE AT SOME POINT WHEN I'M, YOU KNOW, SHAKING MY FIST IN THE AIR AS TO WHY I HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH. BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO GO WITH, WITH A HIGHER NUMBER THERE JUST TO, TO DO, TO ACHIEVE THAT TURNOVER. I KNOW THAT THE WHETHER IT'S HIGH OR MEDIUM OR LOW, WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET FOR THE FIRST INITIAL SHOCK PERIOD. AND THEN AFTER THAT, AFTER THINGS CALMED DOWN A BIT, I THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF WITH LETTING MONEY MOTIVATE PEOPLE'S ACTIONS THAN WISHES AND HOPING THAT THEY'LL THAT THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, NOT THINK THAT IT'S CHEAPER TO WORTH THEIR TIME TO ONLY PAY $11 AND BE DONE WITH THEIR DAY. SO I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. I AM A BIG BELIEVER IN LETTING EXCUSE ME, WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS BASED ON ON COST, THAT THAT IS THE BIGGEST MOTIVATOR. MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THE DOLLARS ARE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT WE DO GO THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE OF TEACHING EVERYONE INVOLVED IN SHOPPING DOWNTOWN, THAT REAL ESTATE IS NOT FREE, AND THIS IS A WAY TO TEACH THAT LESSON. AND IF IT GETS US TO THAT NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE LOTS OR FANCY COVERED LOTS OR WHATEVER, MORE OF THOSE WILL AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THAT PARKING HAS INCREDIBLE VALUE. SO I'M I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. MICHELLE, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT THOUGHT. GARY, DID YOU DID YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM ANY OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES THAT YOU SPOKE TO THAT WERE CONCERNED

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I THINK THE ONLY EQUITABLE WAY TO DO VALIDATION WOULD BE FOR THE BUSINESS THEN TO PAY THE FEE. I AGREE, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. I ASSUMED, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THAT OPTION? IS THAT YOU THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE? IF A BUSINESS LOVES HAVING PEOPLE COME IN AND OUT AND THEY WANT TO VALIDATE, CAN THEY PAY THERE? ACCORDING TO IPS, THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING INTO DEVELOPING. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN OR FOR SURE IF THEY'RE GOING TO. COUNCILOR FREEMAN, IT SEEMS A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO ME THAT THIS ONE WHERE IT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE THE LONGER YOU STAY, YOU KNOW, MOST THINGS GET CHEAPER THE LONGER YOU DO THEM. AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. I MEAN, IT'S TO ENCOURAGE TURNOVER. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I MEAN, I JUST KIND OF LIKE THE FLAT RATE IDEA. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN PEOPLE AREN'T CONFUSED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST KNOW THAT IT'S THAT MUCH EVERY HOUR. RIGHT. SO IT SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE TO ME. BUT ANOTHER REASON THAT YOU SEE THAT ESCALATE IS TO DISCOURAGE EMPLOYEE PARKING. LOTS OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE STAYING LONGER THAN FOUR HOURS ARE EMPLOYEES AND NOT NECESSARILY CUSTOMERS. AND SO I THINK THE IDEA IS TO MAINTAIN IT FOR CUSTOMERS AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SHOP AND BE PART OF THOSE SERVICES, RATHER THAN FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOUR BOARD NEEDS TO MAKE ITS DECISION ABOUT THE FEES TO CHARGE AND GET THEM COMMUNICATED TO THE CITY THIS WEDNESDAY IN TIME FOR IT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FEE RESOLUTION. CAN YOU, AFTER WE GO TO COUNCILOR LARSEN'S QUESTION, WILL YOU THEN MAYBE BY WAY OF WRAP UP, SORT OF GET US TO THE TIMELINE THAT YOU'VE GOT GOING HERE? SURE. AND WHAT WHAT ELSE IS NEEDED BESIDES THE DECISION ON THE FEE? SURE. OKAY. I GUESS I HAVE A PROCESS QUESTION. SO I ROLL UP AND I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG I'M GOING TO BE HERE, AND I

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I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH STARTING OCTOBER 1ST, BECAUSE I HAVE A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE IN PLACE BY THEN AND TRAINED. I WOULD ALSO NEED TO HIRE ANOTHER PARKING AMBASSADOR, PROBABLY PART TIME TO BEGIN WITH. GET THE EQUIPMENT THAT TAKES ABOUT SIX WEEKS TO GET HERE. I'M TOLD SOMETIMES IT'S FASTER, SO IDEALLY STARTING OCTOBER 1ST, FOCUSING ON AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER ON PUBLIC EDUCATION HEAVY HEAVILY. THAT FITS WITH OUR FEE SCHEDULE TO. AND OF COURSE, IT'S ALL DETERMINED ON THE IF WE CAN GET THOSE FEES IN BY WEDNESDAY. WHAT DO THE MERCHANTS THINK? OH, YOU'RE NOT KIDDING. BRING JAKE BACK UP. THEY'RE SAYING IT BACK, AND I BRING THEM UP BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS THAN I HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE PARKING OR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION, MOST MERCHANTS. UNDERSTAND AND KIND OF SEE THE BIG PICTURE. THERE'S DEFINITELY MERCHANTS THAT HAVE HAD CONCERNS. CONCERNS THAT I HEARD WERE NOBODY'S GOING TO COME TO MY SHOP ANYMORE. I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO TO BUSINESS. WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE PARKING, HAVING ENOUGH SPACE FOR EMPLOYEES. AND I THINK LOTS OF THE CONCERNS ARE REALLY AROUND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CHANGING THINGS. AND WHEN YOU CHANGE THINGS, PEOPLE HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS. THOSE ARE MOST OF THE CONCERNS THAT THAT I HEARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ARE WE AT I REMEMBER THAT SOME OF THE MERCHANTS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE STOPPING, POPPING IN, POPPING OUT, GETTING SOMETHING AND NOT REALLY THERE. PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY JUST TAKE THE RISK AND NOT SIGN UP, AND THEY GET BACK OUT BEFORE THE TICKET. OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST OF THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THE WITH THE THERE'S A LITTLE TEMPORARY PARKING SPOTS.

AND THERE'S ALSO LIKE THERE'S WAYS TO FIGURE IT OUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO GREAT HARVEST, THERE'S THE OFF STREET PARKING. THERE'S A FEW SPOTS THERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET THINGS. IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE COFFEE SHOPS OR MOST, YOU KNOW, ARE MOST OF THE CONCERNS COFFEE SHOPS, GREAT HARVEST THOSE PICK UP AND DROP OFF TYPE OF PLACES, MOST OF THEM EITHER. THE OTHER THING IS, IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A $6 CUP OF COFFEE. ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY $2 FOR PARKING? IS IT PROHIBITIVE? BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN, IT'S NOT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER OTHER PEOPLE DOING THIS. IT'S NOT. BUT COULD IT BE? OF COURSE IT'S A RISK. YEAH, YEAH. NO, I WAS MORE THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING IN AND GRABBING A BASKET OR SOMETHING AND GREAT HARVESTING PRE-PAINTED AND EVERYTHING, AND THEN JUST IN AND OUT AND THERE'S ACTUALLY LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NEXT TO GREAT HARVEST. SO THAT'S PART OF THE EDUCATION. THAT'S NOT JUST FOR UPS OR WHATEVER. THAT'S FOR ANYBODY LOADING IN ON I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY REALIZES THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. OKAY. AND THE

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ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL MAKE A NOTE THAT IT IS FOR CATHERINE TO DRIVE THAT AND GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA. THERE ARE TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS IN EACH MONTH. AND SO WE'VE GOT FOUR AHEAD OF US BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST FOR THAT, ALL OF THAT TO TAKE PLACE. AND I'LL LEAVE IT FOR IF TO BE WORKING WITH MUNICIPAL SERVICES FINANCE TEAM TO GET THOSE FEES REPORTED. BUT SO IT'LL BE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS THAT WE'LL HAVE COUNCIL ADDRESS THE MOU AND THE ORDINANCE. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE IS DO WE KNOW IF THE DOLLARS LET'S SEE THE $94,000, IS THAT CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET FOR THE CITY, OR IS THAT A NEW NUMBER? TWO 9292 IS THE EXISTING NUMBER THE EXISTING? AND DO YOU NEED ARE YOU ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT YOU WOULD RECEIVE MORE THIS COMING YEAR? NO CHANGES TO THAT, NO CHANGES TO THAT. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO THERE ARE NO BUDGETARY IMPACTS FOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW. MOST OF IT'S JUST WORDING MAKING SURE THE WORDING IS CORRECT. AND THAT'S HOUSED IN CVS'S BUDGET CURRENTLY. SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OKAY OKAY. AND THAT MAY BE AN ACTUAL FUNCTIONAL CHANGE THAT CAN HAPPEN IN A FUTURE YEAR. BUT ANYTHING ELSE. YEAH. CAREFULLY WORD THIS QUESTION. BUT I THINK THERE WERE AT LEAST TWO BUSINESSES THAT WERE QUITE VOCAL ABOUT CONCERN ABOUT THIS. CAN YOU SAY WHETHER THERE'S BEEN ANY CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO HELP ADDRESS THEIR CONCERN, OR HAVE THEY COME AROUND IN ANY RESPECT? I BELIEVE THE TWO YOU'RE REFERENCING, I JUST TALKED TO JAKE LAST WEEK ABOUT THAT, AND HE DID SAY IT WAS A SIT DOWN CONVERSATION. AND WE WHEN HE LEFT, THERE WAS GREATER UNDERSTANDING, WHICH IS MOSTLY THE CASE. WE'LL BRING IN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND EXPLAIN THE WHY, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

RIGHT. I THINK THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HUGELY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. YES I AGREE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILOR FREEMAN? YES, THANKS. SORRY, I JUST GOT TO TELL YOU HOW GLAD I AM NOT TO. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ENVISIONING THESE METAL METERS ON THE SIDEWALK OR, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND I WAS, LIKE, AGHAST AT IT. YOU KNOW, I'M SO GLAD. AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS KUDOS ABOUT THE FLOWERS DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY GREAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES ME PROUD TO LIVE HERE AND BE PROUD OF OUR DOWNTOWN. IT'S REALLY, REALLY PRETTY. AND I HEAR PEOPLE COMMENT ABOUT THEM ALL THE TIME. SO YES, THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY LAST WORDS. YES. JUST A QUESTION ABOUT TIME. SO IS THIS GOING TO BE JUST LIKE IT IS NOW. LIKE ARE NIGHTS GOING TO BE. HOW'S THAT WORKING THE TIME. OH THE TIME.

SO IT'LL BE CURRENTLY IT'S 8 A.M. TO 6 P.M. FOR THE TWO HOUR. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE TO. IT'LL REMAIN THAT WAY. SO THE NIGHT SCENE, THIS WON'T BE NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. THERE MAY COME A DAY BUT NOT FIND A SPOT. YEAH. YEAH. WE SATURDAYS ARE GETTING NOW WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT'S HARD TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK ANYWHERE NEAR MEMORIAL. AND I GET TOLD THAT THE FARMER'S MARKET IS VERY POPULAR. IT'S BECOME ONE OF IT IS PRETTY POPULAR. HIGHLY POPULATED IN THE STATE OF IDAHO. SO YEAH, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH IT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS VERY EXCITING. WE'RE THANKFUL FOR IT, FOR ALL THAT IT DOES. THE VIBRANT DOWNTOWN IS A SECRET WEAPON WHEN IT COMES TO HELPING COMMUNITY MEMBERS FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A GATHERING PLACE, AND IT BUILDS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. AND IFDC IS JUST A FANTASTIC ORGANIZATION THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE ALL OF ALL OF THE MERCHANTS AND LANDOWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND OPERATORS AND NONPROFITS THAT ARE A PART OF DOWNTOWN. MAKES A BIG THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU MORE IN YOUR NEW ROLE. AND, JAKE, TO YOU AND YOUR COMMITTEE.

WONDERFUL THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO DO SUCH A GOOD STUDY AND GET IT. WE'RE NEAR THE FINISH LINE, COUNSELOR URGES ME, DIRECTOR, CENTER AND CAITLIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR CLOSING CLOSING WORDS OR DIRECTIONS? NO, CAITLIN. OKAY. WE'D ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE CAITLIN IN HER ROLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. SHE HAS BEEN A LIAISON TO THE IPDC BOARD. AND AS CATHERINE TRANSITIONS INTO TAKING OVER MORE OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY, CAITLIN MAY NOT HAVE THAT SAME. DIRECT, I GUESS, TITLE, BUT ALL OF THAT EXPERTISE THAT SHE WALKS AROUND WITH IN HER HEAD WILL STILL BE THERE, AND SHE MAY STILL BE TAPPED EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE FOR THAT. AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE EFFORT AND TIME YOU'VE PUT IN THUS FAR OVER THE LAST YEAR OR YEAR OR SO. SO THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ONE MORE. PLEASE DO A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING. THANKS. THANK YOU. YOUR DEMEANOR AND YOUR CHOICE OF WORDS. GOOD JOB. THANKS. THAT'S WHY HE'S COMMITTEE CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY WHO HAS A COPY OF THIS PACKET VIRTUALLY OR IN PAPER TO SAVE IT, BECAUSE IT'S GOOD HISTORY THERE. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DID IN PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR COMING. YEAH, A LOT OF YOU SHOWED UP. THANKS, BRETT. COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'RE GOOD. 20 MINUTES BEHIND OUR LITTLE DESIRED SCHEDULE. AND SO I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING. AND WE HAVE FOR OUR NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IFBC COMING FORWARD. EXCUSE ME. NO CDS COMING FORWARD WITH SOME INFORMATION FOR US WITH RESPECT TO CDBG. SO. OH NO SORRY. WE'RE DOING IMPACT FEES OKAY. SORRY.

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MONTH ABOUT. SOME CHANGES THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR IN THE IMPACT THE. EMILY ASKED IF I HAD ANYTHING FOR THE SCREEN, BUT I KNOW I ONLY HAVE THIS DRAFT. AND SO WE MET AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH. YOU MIGHT RECALL WE'VE DISCUSSING DIFFERENT WAYS OF CHANGING THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE, PRIMARILY FOR THE RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN TO MOVE TO A RESIDENTIAL SQUARE, FOOTAGE IMPACT FEE. IT'S THE TASK OF DEFINING WHAT THAT MEANS. EXACTLY. WHAT IS SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AND TALKING ABOUT BASEMENTS AND BEDROOMS AND WHAT COULD COUNT AND WHAT NOT TO COUNT. AND THE CONSENSUS THAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THAT CONVERSATION IS THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE IF A RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE DEFINITION OF FOCUSED ON KIND OF A MORE TRADITIONAL WAY THAT IS MORE COMMON ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THAT'S FOCUSED OFF OF FOLKS

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IT'S JUST ONE WAY OF DOING IT. AND IF WE DESCRIBED IT AS LIVING OR POTENTIAL LIVING SPACES, THEN WE REALLY NEED TO DEFINE WHAT A LIVING SPACE IS. AND THIS AVOIDS THAT QUESTION BECAUSE INSTEAD WE'RE LOOKING AT AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY A THERMOSTAT. IS THERE A PARTICULAR CATEGORY OF SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IT LEAVES OUT? OR. I GUESS I'M THINKING ABOUT MY OWN HOUSE. WHEN I MOVED IN, IT DIDN'T HAVE A THERMOSTAT IN THE BASEMENT. SURE, AND MINE DIDN'T EITHER. AND SO SOME OF THE OLDER HOMES PROBABLY WON'T FIT THIS DEFINITION.

FORTUNATELY, IMPACT FEES ONLY LOOK AT NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT'S REQUIRED. YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED UNDER THE CURRENT BUILDING CODE. OKAY, CAN I FINISH THE THOUGHT.

AND THAT LINKS BACK TO THE IBC, WHICH IS KIND OF A STANDARDIZED ACCEPTED CODE. IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S A LOT OF LOGIC IN THAT. AND EXPLAINING TO SOMEONE HOW WE GOT FROM POINT A TO B TO C, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE WAY THAT HOMES ARE BUILT THROUGH THE YEARS. AND SO IF YOU'RE IN AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE THE ONE THAT JIM AND I LIVE IN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME PARTS OF IT THAT WOULDN'T TIE IN NICELY WITH THIS. BUT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WE COVER ALL OF THIS. THANK YOU. I GOT A WHAT IF. YEAH. GOOD. OKAY, SO YOU DECIDE TO BUILD A GARAGE NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE THAT'S NOT ATTACHED, BUT YOU PUT A COUPLE OF BEDROOMS IN THE TOP FLOOR OF IT AND THOSE ARE HEATED. DID THEY COUNT AS YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE? THOSE WOULD COUNT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE AN AUTOMOBILE. GARAGE WOULD BE A SPACE ABOVE THE GARAGE ATTACHED TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE WITH KITCHEN AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. BUT I'M JUST. OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING A TOTALLY SEPARATE STRUCTURE. I THINK UNDER THIS IT WOULD COUNT AS WELL. ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONSIDERED WHEN WE DRAFTED THIS LANGUAGE WAS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, WHICH IS WHY WE CLARIFY THAT ACCESSORY STORAGE STRUCTURES DON'T PROMPT A FEE, BUT AN ACCESSORY

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THEY DON'T GET THEY DON'T PULL PERMITS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE CLEANEST WAY WOULD BE TO HAVE THE PERMIT, THEN CHARGE AN IMPACT FEE FOR THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE HAVING AN IMPACT BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT TO BUILD IT AND SOMEONE'S GOING TO LIVE DOWN THERE. AND I JUST WONDERED IF TO ME, MIKE MADE ME FEEL BETTER BECAUSE I AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CHALLENGES OF THAT. BUT JUST IN MY LOGIC, THAT MAKES SOME SENSE, THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT IF NO ONE'S LIVING IN THE BASEMENT AND A CEMENT FLOOR. NO, YOU KNOW, PLUMBED IN BATHROOMS. AND I THINK THERE COULD BE AN ARGUMENT MADE THAT, HEY, WHY ARE YOU CHARGING AN IMPACT FEE? SO I JUST WONDERED IF YOU'D SEEN THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE DEFINITION RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT BUT THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ANY LIVABLE SPACE, YOU KNOW, LARGER THE HOME, MORE LIVABLE SPACE, MORE PEOPLE ON AVERAGE IN THOSE UNITS. YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR LIVING ROOM ON YOUR, YOU KNOW, GROUND LEVEL, YOU'RE LIVING IN THE BASEMENT AND ALL THE BEDROOMS ON THE GROUND LEVEL. SO YOU'RE OCCUPYING MY SPACE, JUST SORT OF BEING ORIENTED. YOU KNOW, HOW THAT SPACE IS USED. AND SO THAT'S WHERE LIKE CLIMATE CONTROL DEFINITION COMES FROM, BECAUSE THAT'S USABLE, LIVABLE SPACE. IF THAT'S A BEDROOM OR A REC ROOM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BELOW GRADE NOT NOT ON YOUR SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, THE RISK ISN'T HIGH FOR US TO BE SUED OVER THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT MADE ME MOST COMFORTABLE. THE OTHER QUESTION IS HOW MANY CITIES ARE DOING WHICH WAY IN IDAHO THAT YOU'VE HELPED? ARE WE SEEING BASEMENTS? YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK I FOUND LIKE FIVE. SANDPOINT, I BELIEVE COEUR D'ALENE. I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE NORTH IDAHO. AND HAILEY AND I BELIEVE KETCHUM WAS DOING IT VICE VERSA. BOISE DOING IT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. BUT WE ARE SEEING IT MORE COMMON IN THE VICTORIAN, DRIGGS AND TETON COUNTY. IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS IS, I THINK, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD WAS ASKING IS HOW MANY OF THESE CITIES THAT ARE DOING IT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE, EXEMPT UNFINISHED BASEMENTS FROM THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THEN AND THEN WE WOULD STILL WANT TO CHARGE IT WHEN THEY PERMIT, RIGHT? YEAH. DO YOU SEE ANY EXEMPTIONS FOR UNFINISHED BASEMENTS ACROSS THE STATE? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO. YEAH. THIS THIS WOULD BE A AND THAT'S MY THAT'S MY OPINION AS WELL, IS THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT EXEMPT UNFINISHED BASEMENTS. THANK YOU.

SO AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP, JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO I MEAN SORT OF SORT OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD IS, IS THAT IF YOU EXEMPT THE UNFINISHED BASEMENT NOW FIVE YEARS LATER, BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE LIFE OF THAT HOUSE, FIVE YEARS GO DOWN THE LINE, THAT NEW FAMILY THAT FINISHES THAT BASEMENT BEDROOM AND A BATHROOM DOWN THERE. NOW, THEY'VE THEORETICALLY INCREASED THE DEMAND OF THAT HOME. YOU SHOULD YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO CHARGE AND IMPACT BEYOND THAT. NOW FINISHED NET NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND YOU WOULD BE MISSING THAT IF YOU DIDN'T PUT THAT POLICY. SO I WOULD JUST SHARE A THOUGHT, A COUPLE THOUGHTS WITH THE COUNCIL. ONE IS THAT WHENEVER YOU ENACT AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU KNOW IS GOING

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YES. SO THIS LANGUAGE THAT APPEARS IN STRIKEOUT FORM ON PAGE SIX THAT THAT IS PART OF THE DEFINITION SECTION. IT IS DEFINING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. YES. SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE QUESTION ACTUALLY ISN'T IN. IT DOESN'T APPEAR LATER IN THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE. YEAH.

SO IT'S RIGHT HERE. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO ESTABLISH WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE DEFINITION OF THE CLIMATE CONTROL THAT IS IN THE CODE, AND IF THIS REFERENCES THE CODE THAT I, THAT I, I MEAN, WE COULD ADD SOME LANGUAGE HERE THAT SAYS THE CALCULATION OF RESIDENTIAL IMPACT FEE SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE CLIMATE CONTROL AS REQUIRED BY THE BUILDING CODE. I MEAN, THAT'D BE SOMETHING YOU COULD THROW IN. THAT WOULD BE A REFERENCE THAT MIGHT HELP PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHAT. OKAY. IF THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE, WE CAN HAVE THAT. SO WITH THAT, WHEN THE CODE CHANGED, WOULD THAT AUTOMATICALLY CHANGE THAT. SO IF THE CODE IF THE CODE CHANGED TALKING ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING. YEAH, I THINK IF THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE CHANGED IN A WAY WHERE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CLIMATE CONTROL THE ENTIRE HOUSE, THEN WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO COME BACK AND THINK ABOUT THIS. THIS ORDINANCE. BUT IF IT JUST AFFECTED THE VALUE OF THE INSULATION OR THE CLIMATE, THAT WON'T CHANGE. SO LET'S SAY THAT IN A FUTURE EDITION OF THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, THE CODE PROHIBITED NATURAL GAS FURNACES. RIGHT? BUT WOULD IT REQUIRE THAT THERE BE HEATING SOMEHOW IN THE HOME THEN THIS DEFINITION WOULDN'T THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING HERE. OR, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE IS AIR CONDITIONING. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE THAT'S WHY

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RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT THERE WAS ONLY THERE'S ONLY BEEN TWO LIMITED FUNDS TO BOTH OF THOSE SO THEY COULD GET SOME ACCESS TO HUD MONEY, I THOUGHT. YEAH, IT WAS ACTUALLY THEY WERE REQUESTING IT WHEN THEY WERE SUBMITTING THEIR HUD APPLICATION. AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO SCORE MORE POINTS, IF YOU WILL, THERE WAS SOME BENEFIT TO HAVING SOME KIND OF PARTICIPATION BY THE MUNICIPALITY. IT WAS THERE. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE DISADVANTAGED, HUD SCORING IN THIS COMMUNITY IS THEIR HOOK UP. IS THERE OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN? YES. SO ONE THING THAT CATHERINE SMITH AND OR I SHOULD SAY SMITH BEFORE ONE THING THAT CATHERINE AND I ARE WORKING ON IS CREATING

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SO IF WE COULD SOMEHOW TIE THAT, THAT THIS PROGRAM LIKE THIS CREATES SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE COULD POSSIBLY QUALIFY FOR BONUS CDBG FUNDS, CITIES WHICH HAVE GROWTH RATES BELOW THE MEDIAN OF ALL ELIGIBLE CITIES IN THEIR CATEGORY, WOULD BE GIVEN 10% LESS IN CDBG FUNDING. IT WOULD ONLY AFFECT CITIES IN IDAHO THAT HAVE A POPULATION OVER 500,000. SO THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF MONEY. FIVE 50,000 CORRECT. A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF MONEY TO FUND THIS AS WE SEEK TO EXTRICATE IT FROM HERE. SO THERE ARE PERHAPS OTHER AVENUES, AS WE WERE SAYING, AND I THINK IT WILL BE CATHERINE WHO CAN BRING SOME OF THAT FORWARD. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IS THERE CONSENSUS THAT STRIPPING IT OUT OF HERE, WITH ITS UNIQUE PROVISIONS AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS SORT OF DANGLING SOMETHING THAT WE NEVER REALLY DID A GOOD JOB OF PROVIDING CONSENSUS THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT OF OUT OF THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE WITH THE EXPRESS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND CATHERINE WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY TO PRESENT MORE ON THAT, BUT SHE JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE PLANNED A FAMILY VACATION THIS WEEK. SO I THINK THAT SHE IS PLANNING TO COME AS SOON AS THERE'S A LITTLE MORE CLARITY ON WHAT BOTH THE FEDERAL AND WHAT THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION IS GOING TO BE. SHE IS MONITORING ALL OF THAT, SO SHE'LL COME WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING TO REPORT. APART FROM THOSE TWO MAJOR CHANGES, THERE ARE SMALL MINOR CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESS THE CHANGE FROM A HOUSING UNIT AS BEING THE BASIS FOR THE FEE TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND SO YOU'LL SEE SMALL STRIKEOUTS THROUGHOUT. BUT THAT'S WHAT THOSE SMALL STRIKEOUTS ARE FOR, IS TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A HOUSING UNIT BE ANYMORE WITH THAT. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES, AND I'D STAND FOR ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO BRING FORWARD? WE MAY BE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE NEAR THE END OF OUR IMPACT FEE DISCUSSION. AND PAM AND MIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THEM, WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE? YEAH. GO AHEAD PAM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUST TO GIVE YOU A PUT MY GLASSES AWAY OKAY. SO ON AUGUST 11TH WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION. AND THAT IS WHERE MIKE AND CATHERINE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT HE MENTIONED EARLIER. AND

[01:40:03]

OKAY, SO THAT'S THE SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE ON. AND TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING UP ON THIS. IS COLIN STILL WITH US? COLIN I JUST WANTED TO ASK HOW THE BABY'S DOING. FATHERHOOD. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANKS, MAYOR. THANK YOU. YEAH.

THREE WEEKS OLD, HAPPY AND HEALTHY. AND THE MOM AND DAD. WE KIND OF HIT A WALL AROUND THIS TIME OF THE DAY, SO THANK YOU. VERY. GIVES ME A LITTLE SLEEP DEPRIVED. ARE YOU? WELL? THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS THUS FAR, AND FOR THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT TO THE STUDY. WELL, WE'LL SEE YOU SOON. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, TAKE CARE AND ENJOY THE BABY. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE AT THE END OF THAT

[Community Development Services, CDBG]

[01:45:03]

WHAT I MOSTLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON IN YOUR PACKET IS THE FORMULA AND THE EXPLANATION AS TO HOW WE GOT THERE. SO AS YOU'RE AWARE, FOR 2025, WE'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING 412,342. AND SO WHEN WE BREAK THOSE CATEGORIES UP INTO ALLOWABLE CATEGORIES, THE MAX ALLOWED FOR ADMINISTRATION IS 20%. SO WE DEDUCT THAT FROM THE TOP. THE MAX ALLOWED FOR OUR PUBLIC SERVICE CATEGORIES 15% AND THE MAX ALLOWED FOR SLUM AND BLIGHT IS 30%. KEEPING IN MIND WE HAVE TO MEET A MINIMUM OF DIRECT LMI BENEFIT OF 70% OR MORE. SO IF YOU USE THAT FORMULA OF SUBTRACTING YOUR ADMIN, THAT GIVES YOU THE 329 EIGHT, 7360. FROM THAT, WE CALCULATE OUR 70% AND FOR OUR MINIMUM 70%, WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 230,911 52. THAT'S THE MINIMUM. IF YOU SUBTRACT THAT FROM THE 329 873 60, THAT REALLY ONLY LEAVES US 98,960 208 FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND SLUM BLIGHT, AND WITH APPLICATIONS TOTALING OVER 745, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THOSE CUTS HAVE TO BE MADE. SO I'LL GO THROUGH OPTION ONE. AND COMPARE THAT TO OPTION TWO. AND THEN WE CAN WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT.

SO OPTION ONE I IN YOUR PACKET THERE'S ALSO THE PRIORITIES. SO I ASSIGN THEM EITHER ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND HOW THEY RATED IN THEIR PRIORITIES. SO FOR LEGAL AIDS VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THEY FALL INTO TWO CATEGORIES. SO. WE'RE RECOMMENDING FUNDING FOR 12,962 EIGHT. AND THEN FOR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS CENTER OF EAST IDAHO. THEY FELL INTO THE CATEGORY OF HOUSING NEEDS. AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING 18,000 FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT CENTER. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A PRIORITY, IT WASN'T AS HIGH IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER PROJECTS. AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DID HAVE A $5,000 DONATION THAT HELPED ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE OTHER PUBLIC SERVICE ACTIVITIES THAT WE FELT WE NEEDED TO FUND IT. UNITED WAY ALICE CHILD CARE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM IS DEFINITELY AN ANTI-POVERTY STRATEGY, AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING 6000 FOR THAT PROJECT. THE SALVATION ARMY WITH HOUSING NEEDS AND SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING, ESPECIALLY FOR RENT, WAS A HIGH PRIORITY. SO WE'RE REQUESTING $8,000 TO GO TOWARDS UTILITY AND RENT PROMISE RIDGE FAMILY EMERGENCY SHELTER. THIS IS HOUSING PLUS SPECIAL NEEDS.

THIS IS FOR FAMILIES. AND THIS IS DEFINITELY A NEED THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED OVER THE YEARS. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING $8,000 FOR PROJECT THE NEXT PREGNANCY CARE CENTER IS DEFINITELY A SPECIAL NEED FOR PRENATAL CARE FOR LOW AND MODERATE INCOME INDIVIDUALS. AND BEING A NEW PROJECT TO THE SCENE, WE'RE REQUESTING $6,000 FOR THIS GO ROUND. THEN THE COMMUNITY FOOD BASKET OF IDAHO FALLS. AGAIN, THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED, BUT IT WASN'T AS HIGH ON THE PRIORITY LIST FOR A PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION FOR THE CANOPY TO COVER THE FAMILY RAMP AT THE EMERGENCY FOOD DISTRIBUTION CENTER, THEN FOR DDC, IT'S A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. WE SLUM AND BLIGHT MY AREA. IT REALLY COVERS THREE DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN SLUM AND BLIGHT AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB CREATION AND PUBLIC FACILITY INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING AN OPTION ONE $40,000 TOWARDS THE PROJECT. THEN FOR THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. AGAIN, THAT NEEDS TWO CATEGORIES OF. SPECIAL NEEDS PLUS PUBLIC FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO LOW MODERATE INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS. IT ALSO HELPS US MEET THAT 70% DIRECT LMI BENEFIT. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FULL AMOUNT OF 195,000 FOR THE YMCA. IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. AND FOR THIS YEAR, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING FUNDING DUE TO PROJECT THAT'S NOT FINISHED IN 2023, AND THERE'S STILL SOME SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF FUNDS LEFT TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT. SAME FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. RUSH OF KINDNESS FOR THEIR MINOR EXTERIOR REPAIR PROJECT, THEIR

[01:50:03]

THAT WAS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE REALLY, BETWEEN OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, OR I KIND OF ASSUME THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMUNICATION THAT THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE MAKER. YES. YEAH. OKAY. YOU MEAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOP, THE EXTRA FIVE K WOULD IT BE. THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. THAT'S WHAT I'M READING. YEAH.

YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THERE IS THE 5000 REDUCED IN THE SLUM AND BLIGHT IDC TO THE 5000 DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOP PROJECT. NO. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THAT'S THE NECESSARY TO REALLY MAKE THEM BE ABLE TO DO IT. YEAH. YES. OKAY. LISA, DO YOU THINK THAT IMPACTS YOUR PROGRAM SIGNIFICANTLY? I'M SORRY. YOU THINK THE $5,000 REDUCTION IMPACTS THE PROGRAM SIGNIFICANTLY? I DON'T THEY HAVE SOME FUNDING THAT'S GOING TO BE USED TOWARDS THE SUN SHADE PROJECT, WHICH WILL TAKE UP MOST OF IT, IF NOT ALL OF IT, WHICH LEAVES THEM WITH NO FUNDING FOR OTHER PROJECTS. 5000, GIVE OR TAKE, MIGHT NOT MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH, YEAH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION TO ME TO SUPPORT OPTION TWO AS WELL. I KNOW THAT OFTENTIMES MISS FERRIS'S LOGIC IS PERSUASIVE AND WE ARE DONE. I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THERE'S BEEN A TIME OR TWO WHEN YOU'VE ALSO HAD OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ALLOCATION. ARE THERE ANY OF YOU WHO ARE PREPARED TO SUGGEST ANY ADJUSTMENTS? WELL, THE ONE THING THAT STRIKES ME IS THE ADA RAMP AT THE YMCA. THEY DON'T HAVE ADA ACCESS. IS THAT ONLY ONE ENTRY? DOESN'T THE IT'S THE WEST ENTRANCE. IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ENTRANCE THAN THE ONE THAT WE HAD PROJECT FUNDS ON THE EAST. THERE'S A RAILING THAT HAS NOT YET TO BE INSTALLED, AND THERE'S ALSO A SUNSHADE PROJECT IN THE BACK THAT IS NOT GOING TO INCLUDE FOR 2024 FUNDS. WHAT DID YOU EXCUSE? WELL, I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT THE YMCA ASKING FOR AN ADA RAMP, WHICH IS WE HAVE THE ADA PROGRAM IN THE CITY. SO YEAH, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE 23,000 FROM 2023 FUNDS. SO THEY HAVE MONEY THEY HAVEN'T SPENT. OKAY OKAY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT OUR 2025 ALLOCATION IS THE LAST FOR THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN. SO WE'LL BE STARTING THAT PROCESS OVER FOR A NEW FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND IT'S TIME TO RAMP UP ALL OF THESE PROJECTS NICELY FOR THE FIVE YEAR PLAN PERIOD. CAN I ASK? THERE'S A COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT REQUIRED FOR THE NEW FIVE YEAR PLAN. YES. AND DO YOU DO THAT OR DO WE PAY A CONSULTANT? HOW DO YOU HOW HAVE YOU APPROACHED THAT? WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH CONSULTANTS. WE'LL GO OUT FOR AN RFP FOR A CONSULTANT. AND THOSE DOLLARS COME FROM WHERE? YEAH, THOSE WERE THOSE WERE ALREADY WE HAD TALKED TO MUNICIPAL SERVICES ABOUT THAT. THAT WOULD BE IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO ASK FOR IT. BUT YEAH, THE 60,000 IS ONE. THEY SAID WE WOULD FIND IT IN THE BUDGET. SO OKAY. AND WE DON'T KNOW YET. AS PER THE EARLIER CONVERSATION ABOUT SENATOR CRAPO'S REQUEST, THE CDBG PROGRAM MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR, MAY HAVE SOME OTHER ASPECTS TO IT.

SO ANYTHING THEN IF EVERYBODY IS FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION TWO, THEN AND IF THAT IS THE

[01:55:11]

THIS IS HARD WORK TO TRY TO DECIDE WHICH NEEDY, YOU KNOW, ENTITY IS NEEDY OR WHICH IS TRICKY. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT REALLY HELPS THIS PROGRAM SURVIVE. LET'S CROSS OUR FINGERS THAT IT WILL WILL CONTINUE TO BE FUNDED, AND THAT IT WILL BE RECOGNIZABLE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO HELP SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANKS. WELL, WE HAVE ACTUALLY MADE UP ALMOST ALL OF OUR TIME. AND SO

[Community Development Services]

THESE ARE THE LARGER LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. WE HAVE NOT ALLOWED THEM IN THERE AND THESE ARE ALL ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT CHANGING THAT IF YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT AT THIS TIME. SO THAT IS THE THAT IS THE FIRST CHANGE I'M LOOKING AT BASICALLY DAYCARE PROVISIONS TO REFLECT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE STATE LEVEL. THE SECOND IS ANY QUESTION ON THAT ONE. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. BUT ANY ANY REASON WHY THE RI IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE MORE SPACE, NOT LESS. YEAH. THAT'S JUST TRADITIONALLY WHAT WE'VE WE JUST HAVE NOT ALLOWED. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A HISTORY ON THAT OF IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE TABLE. SO WHAT IS REALLY BEING SHOWN IN THE TABLE IS THE, IT'S THE DAYCARE CENTER THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE RI, THE RP, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR COMMERCIAL LEVEL DAYCARE FACILITY. THE RI CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE MORE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING AND OTHER THINGS. SO I

[02:00:05]

RIGHT. VERY, VERY LIMITED. AND THE CONDITIONAL USE WOULD STILL REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND NEIGHBORHOOD NOTICE AND INVOLVEMENT TOO. SO I'M SORT OF DOING I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OF US THAT SAY YES, THEN I WOULD BE INTERESTED. IN EQUITY THING. I'M SORRY, HE SAID. IT'S AN EQUITY THING. YEAH, YEAH. BUT I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE SITUATION. OKAY, OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS IN REGARDS TO THIS CAME OUT OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF STREET WIDTHS. SO I'LL SHOW YOU THIS CHART. AND THEN REALLY THE CODE CHANGE IS DOWN HERE IN BLUE. YOU'LL SEE THE LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE VAGUE. AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO STANDARDS FOR DRIVE AISLE WIDTHS FOR TWO WAY IS 24FT. HOWEVER, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHEN SOMETHING IS DESIGNATED AS A FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD, THEN THE STANDARD OF THE RECENTLY ADOPTED FIRE CODE IS 26FT. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, WE CAME WITH A CHIEF NELSON ABOUT THIS VERY TOPIC AND THE NEED FOR SOME STANDARD OF THAT DRIVE AISLE APPARATUS, ROAD AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS COMES OUT. WE JUST ADDED IT VERY VAGUELY IN THE ZONING CODE TO SPECIFICALLY, SAY, REQUIRED BY THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE IN CASE IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT EVER CHANGED, WE WOULD INTERPRET IT AT 26FT IN WIDTH. BUT IF THE FIRE CODE WERE TO CHANGE, MAYBE AT 28 OR 20 OR WHATEVER, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND COMPLETELY CHANGE OUR CODE. SO THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING ON THERE. IT'S JUST TO ADJUST THAT 26 FOOT WIDTH THAT WAS REQUESTED AS A PART. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE PROCESS OF BEING DESIGNATED AS A FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD? BECAUSE IF THAT'S JUST UP TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR JUST UP TO THE DEVELOPER, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING AND IT WOULD BE A DESIGNATION THAT WOULD COME FROM FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL. SO THEY, THE DEVELOPER, KNOW THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN REVIEW. THEY WOULD KNOW IT AT THAT TIME. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THOSE DON'T CHANGE FROM 24 TO 26, BECAUSE 24 IS. SO THINK OF IT. THE BEST EXAMPLE TO USE HERE IS IN REGARDS TO LIKE A PARKING LOT. SO THAT DRIVE AISLE WE WOULD KEEP IT TO 24 UNLESS THE FIRE MARSHAL WERE TO SAY THAT'S A FIRE APPARATUS ROAD, WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT BY TWO FEET SO THAT WE WOULD KEEP THAT STANDARD OF 24 UNLESS THE FIRE CODE SAYS OTHERWISE. TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE TO WHAT FATE IS OUT HERE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PARKING EITHER. THAT'S. I'M CURIOUS. I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT IF YOU HAVE A 24 FOOT ROAD AND YOU ALLOW PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, THEN BASICALLY IT BECOMES A ONE WAY, ONE LANE ROAD. SO I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING DARTS AT IT. YEAH.

NO, NO THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S GOOD. AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT THE FIRE CODE ALREADY DESIGNATES THE 26 THAT IT WOULD JUST BE ONE SIGN. RIGHT. SO THIS IS A WOULD BE A DRIVE AISLE WITHIN A PARKING LOT ON A PUBLIC ROAD OR A PRIVATE ROAD. OKAY. SO THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ON THIS ROAD. CORRECT? 24FT IS THE MINIMUM. IN ORDER TO HAVE TWO WAY TRAFFIC WITHIN A PARKING AISLE. AND ONE WAY TO THINK OF IT TOO IS IF YOU THINK OF A LARGE PARKING LOT LIKE A OF A SHOPPING CENTER, NOT EVERY DRIVE AISLE IN THAT PARKING LOT IS A FIRE APPARATUS, OR EVEN THE ONES UP NEXT TO THE BUILDING FOR SURE WOULD BE, AND THOSE ROADS WOULD NEED TO BE 26FT. BUT WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE 24 BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE DRIVE AISLE IN THE PARKING LOT AN ADDITIONAL TWO FEET WIDE, OR IF IT'S REALLY JUST NEEDED FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. OKAY, YOU CAN

[02:05:01]

SO IT WAS BASICALLY IS THIS OR IS THIS NOT A WEDGE SHAPED LOT. IT WAS A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS. AND IF WE COULDN'T GET ENOUGH TO GET AN AVERAGE, WE COULD USE THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISION TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS. AS YOU CAN TELL, IT WAS VERY INTERPRETIVE AND VERY CONVOLUTED. SO AND JUST IN TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND AS WE INTERNALLY TALKED ABOUT IT AS STAFF, WE& JUST SAID, WHY NOT TAKE WHAT THE OUR WHATEVER THE ZONING DISTRICT IS, THAT THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND JUST ADD A 10% TO THAT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, AN R-1, THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, THERE'S 7000FT■S. SO YOU WOULD HAVE A 7700 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT. SO IT JUST TAKES WE WERE GETTING SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE DEVELOPERS WOULD SUBMIT TO US AND WE WOULD LOOK AT THE AVERAGES. USUALLY WE HAD TALKED THROUGH THIS, BUT WE WOULD COME BACK AND THERE'D BE A MISINTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE AVERAGE ACTUALLY WAS. AND THIS JUST KEEPS IT VERY STANDARD AND MAKES IT VERY EASY FOR THEIR DESIGNERS TO DESIGN. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THIS, JUST TAKING WHAT THE MINIMUM IS AND TAKE THE PERCENTAGE AT 10%. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT CORNER LOTS, RIGHT. BECAUSE EVERY HOUSE ON THAT CUL DE SAC IS KIND OF LIKE A CORNER LOT ALMOST, OR. YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THAT WHOLE THING'S A CORNER. IT'S A BIG CORNER. SO WE WOULD PRIMARILY BE LOOKING AT THAT CORNER RIGHT HERE. YEAH. AND OBTUSE CORNERS OF A CUBE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE SUBDIVISIONS, HOW THEY GET DESIGNED. THEY'RE NEEDED TO JUST BE JUST A VERY EASY STANDARD TO HELP THE DEVELOPER MOVE FORWARD AND NOT BE PUT INTO SOME EQUATION. LOTS ARE WILDLY DIFFERENT IN THAT PICTURE. RIGHT? N SQUARE FOOTAGE. YEAH.

HENCE THE DIFFICULTY OF CALCULATING WHAT THAT AVERAGE WOULD BE. YEAH. SO JUST STANDARDIZE IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE EASIER FOR INTERPRETATION. THE NEXT ONE IS IN REGARDS TO THE R2 STANDARD. WE HAVE CAPPED DWELLING UNITS ON THE R2 STANDARD R2 ZONE AT FOUR DWELLING UNITS. THIS CAME BACK TO. WE HAVE SOME LOTS THAT ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF SIZE AND THE FIRE CODE ACTUALLY COULD ALLOW FOR MORE DWELLING UNITS ON THE LOT EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN R2. SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THIS, THIS ONE I BELIEVE IT DEVELOPER I CAN'T REMEMBER ON THIS ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP TO US, BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE LOOKED AT IS ELIMINATING THAT FOUR DWELLING UNIT CAP AND BASICALLY LEAVE IT TO THE FIRE CODE. SO IF THE FIRE CODE ALLOWS FOR MORE, THEN WE COULD ALLOW FOR MORE IN TERMS OF FIRE HOSE LENGTH AROUND THE BUILDING. OR THERE'S OTHER FACTORS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT. LOOKS AT. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS IN SOME SITUATIONS WE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO SIX DWELLING UNITS ON SOME LOTS, NOT ON ALL OF THEM. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE R2 ZONE. I'LL JUST SHOW YOU THIS MAP HERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT A VERY LIMITED ZONE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY TO THE DEVELOPER AND GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY GET MORE ON THE LOT THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED. SO WE WOULD NOT BE CAPPING IT. IT WOULD BE CAPPED ACCORDING TO THE FIRE CODE. SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT'S THAT

[02:10:03]

[Police, Human Resources]

[02:15:05]

ON THAT 50 DAY CAP ON IT. AND THAT'S THE CHANGE IN A NUTSHELL. SO THIS WOULD BE, I'M SORRY, A

[02:20:04]

THIS THIS IS GOING TO THE POLICE PERSONNEL MANUAL. SO THE THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS WOULD GOVERN THE PEOPLE THAT IT DIRECTS. SO POLICE OFFICERS, ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS, ORDINANCE OFFICERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T SPEAK TO EVERYTHING ABOUT INJURY ON DUTY. THIS HAS SPECIFIC CARVEOUTS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC EMPLOYEES DUE TO THE NATURE OF THEIR JOBS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE CITY PERSONNEL MANUAL, WHICH IS FOR 40. AND PROCEDURALLY, IT COMES HERE FOR FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE. AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO ALL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR 30 DAY REVIEW AND COMMENT PERIOD, AND THEN COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO THE EARLIEST THIS WOULD BE CHANGING WOULD BE THEN PROBABLY MORE TOWARD THE END OF GIVEN THE 30 DAY PIECE AND HOW LATE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AND WHEN MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED. IT WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WOULD GET A CHANCE TO GET TO THIS, I THINK THAT'S THE EIGHTH, NINTH, 11TH OF SEPTEMBER. YES. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, JUST MORE CLARITY, BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS MORE THAN I HAVE, BUT WHY DID YOU LIMIT THE FOUR SHIFTS TEN HOUR SCHEDULE TO MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY? THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY OTHER DAYS. I MEAN, SO THAT'S WITH THE WHEN THEY CAN'T COME BACK TO WORK. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT WORKING. OH, OKAY. IT'S JUST WE'RE WE'RE DEFINING WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE WOULD BE THAT WAY IF THEY HAVE SUBPOENAS AND HAVE TO GO TO COURT, THAT WOULD BE THEIR REGULAR DUTY TIME AND IT WOULDN'T BE OVERTIME OTHERWISE. LIKE IF THEY'RE A GRAVEYARD EMPLOYEE. WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T DEFINE WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE WOULD BE WHEN THEY HAD A SUBPOENA GO TO COURT OR THEY WOULD BE UNABLE TO WORK AND WON'T BE WORKING. BUT WE WENT TO COURT. THEY WOULD GET OVERTIME. SO THAT THAT PROTECTS THE CITY A LITTLE BIT FROM SOME SOME LIABILITY THERE.

YEAH, I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. OKAY. SO THEY ACTUALLY AREN'T WORKING DURING THAT TIME. IT'LL GO DOWN AS ACCIDENT DUTY. IF THEY HAVE TO GO TO COURT OR SOMETHING ELSE, THEN THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED JUST WORKING. OKAY. OTHER INPUTS OR THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS. GOOD, GOOD. I THINK THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE MATTER OF CLARIFYING. AND SO IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE A BIG CONTROVERSY. AND I'M GLAD THAT IT'S NOT. SO WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS PROBABLY IN THE WORK SESSION ON SEPTEMBER 8TH AND THEN SEE IT AGAIN JUST AS A FOLLOW UP. COME BACK AND TELL US WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD ANY FEEDBACK AND IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANY MODIFICATIONS. AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY SEE THIS LANGUAGE. BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANTICIPATE THERE BEING A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THIS. FEEDBACK THAT ALREADY GAVE WAS THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CHANGE. GOOD. IT'S GOOD TO BE RESPONSIVE WHEN THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO BE. SO THANK YOU CHIEF. APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS HERE. THANK YOU DIRECTOR. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. SO DIRECTOR JONES IS REMAINING AT THE TABLE BECAUSE THE NEXT BIT

[Human Resources, Legal]

JUST LIKE WHEN YOU'RE HIRING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND YOU HAVE EVERY VARIATION IN BETWEEN. AND SO THE. TOPIC, INTERESTINGLY, IS ONLY ALLOWED TO BE RAISED DURING THE ELECTION YEARS. AND IT WOULDN'T. AND THEN NOTHING WE DO WOULD BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL JANUARY 1ST AFTER THE ELECTION. SO IT WOULD BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNCIL THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM ANY CHANGES YOU MIGHT DECIDE TO MAKE IN THIS SMALL WINDOW OF TIME THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. CONSIDER THIS. BUT IT'S DESIGNED TO, I THINK BY PUTTING IT IN A MUNICIPAL ELECTION YEAR, IT'S DESIGNED TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON PRUDENCE, PERHAPS BECAUSE YOU DON'T GO HOG WILD AND THEN STAND FOR ELECTION THREE, YOU KNOW, A MONTH LATER. SO THERE IS SOME BUILT IN RESTRAINT THAT COMES TO IT. I THINK THAT WHATEVER IS HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE HAD THIS BYLAW, HAS BEEN VERY CAREFUL AND THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION, AND THAT SEEMS TO SATISFY VOTERS. I'VE NEVER HEARD THIS THROWN IN ANYBODY'S FACE OVER THE LAST DOZEN YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WATCHING. IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS REASONABLY. AND SO AS A PART OF THAT, DIRECTOR JONES HAS SAID ABOUT GATHERING

[02:25:08]

AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT WE DO, I THINK I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOU TO KIND OF ADD SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO. I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE THAT HAS A, YOU KNOW, BILLION DOLLAR KIND OF UTILITY THAT WE MANAGE AND IN TERMS OF ITS VALUE, AND THEN PROBABLY 80 TO $100 MILLION OF ITS REVENUE, AND THEN THE SLICE PRODUCT THAT WE'VE KIND OF KNOWLEDGE WE'VE HAD TO GAIN, I MEAN, ALL OF US THAT HAVE COME ON THE COUNCIL, IT WAS HOW MANY HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS TO LEARN WHAT ELECTRIC REALLY DID, WHICH IS UNIQUELY PLACED IN IDAHO FALLS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A FEW OTHER CITIES THAT DO ELECTRIC, BUT THEY GENERALLY DON'T CREATE ELECTRICITY. YEAH, THEY DON'T GENERATE THEIR GENERATE. AND THEN ANYWAY, SO AND THEN YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT AIRPORT, I THINK THAT'S ADDED DEFINITELY INTO THE BOARD MEETING THERE. WE DO HAVE A BOARD MEETING WITH PUBLIC WORKS, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DELVED INTO THAT AT THE SAME LEVEL. THAT'S ONCE A YEAR. YEAH. YEAH I, I JUST KNOW TO THE OTHER THING IS IF WE DON'T DEAL WITH IT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A. THERE'S NOT A MECHANISM THAT MAKES IT HAPPEN. AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A MECHANISM OR ELSE YOU CAN GO 20 YEARS WITHOUT IT BEING CHANGED, WHICH I DON'T

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READING AND, AND OR PREPARATION THAT GOES INTO THOSE MEETINGS, IF NOT MORE. AND WE'VE TRIED TO ESTIMATE THE NUMBER OF LIAISON MEETINGS THAT MIGHT BE HELD AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT WHAT WERE THE PROXIES IN THE IN THE SPREADSHEET THAT WERE DESIGNED TO CAPTURE COMPLEXITY? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE ARGUED IS THAT THE CITY IS ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX. AND COUNCILOR RADFORD'S COMMENTS ABOUT AIRPORT AND POWER MAKING US A LITTLE UNIQUE AMONGST THE LARGER CITIES IN IDAHO. HOW ARE WE TRYING TO CAPTURE THIS SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE THE NARRATIVE DOCUMENT, AND IT'S ON THE SPREADSHEET AS WELL. WE PULL IT UP AND KIND OF PUT MORE INTO IT. IT'S CHALLENGING TO CAPTURE, RIGHT? JUST LIKE WE LOOK AROUND THIS ROOM AND THINK, HOW MANY HOURS DOES THIS GROUP SPEND PER WEEK, PER MONTH, PER YEAR? AND THEN TO GO TO CAPTURE THAT FROM THE CITY COUNCILS OF ALL THESE OTHER CITIES WOULD JUST, WOULD BE JUST AS NUANCED. SO THE DATA IS ONLY GOING TO TAKE US SO FAR THE BENCHMARKING INFORMATION WILL ONLY TAKE US SO FAR. AND IT GIVES KIND OF ENOUGH INFORMATION TO HAVE A RELATIVELY GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. AND THEN FROM THERE, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS IS GOING TO DO CAN THEY SPEAK TO NAMPA? 29 DEPARTMENT? ARE THEY BREAKING THINGS UP LIKE THAT SEEMS OVERWHELMING. THERE'S A LOT OF HARD. YEAH, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY ANY MORE INFORMATION ON IT BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. BUT YEAH. YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WELL, IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES KIND OF CAPTURES THAT A LITTLE BIT, JOHN, AS FAR AS THE COMPLEXITY BECAUSE THAT ADDS POWER, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S $80 MILLION THAT'S ADDED, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THAT CHANGES US FROM, FROM LIKE SIDE CITIES DOUBLE OUR SIZE AND POPULATION, BUT DOESN'T SPEND AS MUCH AS OUR BUDGET. RIGHT. MAYBE THEY DON'T DO THE STREETS EITHER. THEY'RE ADA COUNTY. YES. PLOWING. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY UTILITY. THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR NO PUBLIC POWER. THE POCATELLO IS THE ONE I THINK IS FASCINATING IS THAT WE'RE DOUBLE THEIR THEIR BUDGET. ALMOST THE SAME DAY. YEAH. I'M ALSO INTERESTED THAT THEY HAVE 23.

THEY HAVE TRANSPORTATION. I THINK THAT THEY I KNOW THEY HAVE THE BUS SYSTEM GATHERING THIS INFORMATION IS AN INTERESTING EXERCISE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME DATA THAT LIKE THE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES IN 24, I COULD GO PULL THAT OFF THE IDAHO PUBLIC WEBSITE IN A MATTER OF A COUPLE OF HOURS. SOME OF THE DATA, IT'S A IT'S DIGGING THROUGH OTHER CITIES WEBSITES. IT'S MAKING PHONE CALLS, IT'S DOING PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. AND EVEN WHEN YOU GET IT BACK TO INTERPRET THAT AND COMPARE AND CONTRAST IT WITH WHAT WE DO IS DIFFICULT. SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S THE BENCHMARK IS ONLY GOING TO GET US SO FAR. IT GIVES US A GENERAL SENSE OF AN IDEA OF WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EXACT ARITHMETIC IN THIS PICTURE. SO DIDN'T THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE VOTED ON IT AND WE GOT A RAISE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT INDEXING IT OR AUTOMATICALLY INCREASING IT EVERY COUPLE YEARS OR SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.

IT'S NOT VERY SEXY IN TERMS OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. WE DID TALK ABOUT INDEXING IT. THE TROUBLE WITH INDEXING IT IS THAT THE LAW REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT CERTAIN, SO YOU CAN'T TIE IT TO, LET'S SAY CPI IS AUTOMATICALLY INCREASES IT BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO PAY EVERY YEAR, SO THAT THE WHEN. THE

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OKAY. BUT THOSE TAKE EFFECT EVERY YEAR THAT FIRST DAY OF THE YEAR. SO LEGALLY IT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE ELECTION. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE LAW REQUIRES THAT COUNCIL CHANGED ITS COMPENSATION BEFORE A GENERAL ELECTION, AND THAT IT CANNOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER THE GENERAL ELECTION, JANUARY 1ST, BUT IT COULD TAKE EFFECT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE IF WE DID IT THIS YEAR. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JANUARY 1ST, 2026. IT'LL BE JANUARY 21ST, SURE OF 27. YES IT COULD. AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY I RAISED THAT ISSUE, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO TIGHT ON THIS BUDGET AND THE TIMING OF ANY FTE EXCEPT FOR THE GIS PERSON. THAT'S ONLY 13,000. IT LOOKS IT WOULD LOOK AWKWARD TO ME TO GIVE OURSELVES THAT RAISE AT THE VERY TIME. I KNOW WE GAVE A PACKAGE FOR A COMPENSATION, BUT WE ALSO SAID WE DON'T HAVE ANY ONGOING MONEY. WELL, THE SYSTEM HAS BUILT INTO IT. WHAT, 2.1 THAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS? THAT IS THREE. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT EXACTLY. GIVEN THE BUDGET SITUATION THIS YEAR. BUT I DO CHANGING THAT. IF I'M BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT, I THINK THE JOB HAS BECOME MORE COMPLEX FOR COUNCIL AND THAT DESERVES MORE COMPENSATION. SO ONE, IF YOU DO DECIDE TO DO THAT, THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. YOU WILL NEED TO DO THAT IF EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE 27, YOU WILL NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION BEFORE AUGUST 14TH, WHICH IS YOUR LAST, YOUR LAST SCHEDULED MEETING BEFORE THE DEADLINE, AUGUST 21ST IS THE ABSOLUTE DROP DEAD DEADLINE. TO DO THAT, YOU WILL NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. SO I THINK IT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED BY THE 21ST.

SO THAT MEANS EVEN IF YOU DID IT ON THE 21ST, YOU WOULDN'T BE PUBLISHED IN TIME. SO YOU'D HAVE TO. THE 14TH IS REALLY OUR. SO 14TH IS REALLY YOUR LAST DAY TO GET IT DONE. YOU COULD MAKE IT EFFECTIVE. YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT EFFECTIVE ANY EARLIER THAN JANUARY 1ST 26, BUT YOU COULD MAKE IT EFFECTIVE LATER THAN THAT. IF YOU WAIT, THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION. THREE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU'RE. YOU GO AHEAD, COUNCILOR FREEMAN. SO THE 2% RAISE OR WHATEVER IT WAS WE WROTE INTO THE THING LAST TIME IS STILL IN EFFECT. IF YOU DO NOTHING, YOU'RE AT A MAYOR'S SALARY, AND COUNCIL MEMBER SALARIES WILL INCREASE NEXT YEAR BY 2 TO 2. IT'S ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE HANDOUT THAT YOU GOT. SO IT WILL RIGHT NOW THE COUNCIL RECEIVES A BIWEEKLY SALARY OF $589.62. STARTING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR 26.

THAT WILL INCREASE TO $602.59. AND THEN THEREAFTER IT'S ABOUT DOLLARS. IT'S ABOUT. WHAT IS IT EXACTLY? IT'S 2.15% INCREASE EACH YEAR ON THAT DATE THROUGH JANUARY 1ST. I'M FINE WITH THAT.

29TH. I THINK I'M FINE WITH LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS. I JUST THINK WE'VE GOT TO RIGHTSIZE SOMEWHAT TO BE CLOSER TO THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE OTHER CITIES. I'M GOING TO JUST POINT OUT THAT, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, JOHN, COUNCILORS RECEIVE JUST A IF YOU CUT YOURS IN HALF, THEY'RE STILL GETTING A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF. AND THINK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THEIR CITY, THE NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS AND THE NUMBER OF SERVICES THEY I'M GUESSING THAT YOU WORK MORE THAN TWICE WHAT THEY DO. THEN TAKE A LOOK AT CITY OF BOISE. THEY'RE MAKING LITTLE UNDER TWICE WHAT YOU MAKE, AND THEY HAVE STAFF DEDICATED TO COUNCIL IN ADDITION TO THEIR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. AND THEN THOSE FOLKS HOLD FULL TIME JOBS. SO THEY JUST AS SOME OF YOU DO. SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT THEY GET A CELL PHONE AND A PREMIUM EACH MONTH, TOO. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF INTERESTING THINGS THAT I HAD FOUND ABOUT UTILITY BOARD MEMBERS. I DID VERIFY ALL OF THIS. I CAN GIVE I CAN GIVE YOU NAMES. YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE IS THE AVERAGE SALARY ON THE

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BUT FOR THE SAME REASON, FRANCIS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SUGGEST INCREASING THEIR SALARY EITHER UNTIL 27. I MEAN, IT'S JUST I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE MONEY WOULD COME FROM. WELL, THAT'S WHEN WE SAY WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CERTIFIED VALUATION YET. RIGHT. NOT THE COUNCIL SEAT. SO YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW. WE. WELL, WELL DIDN'T WE NOT ALLOCATE A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND ALREADY. THE OTHER THING IS I MEAN THERE'S MONEY AND OUR COUNCIL, OUR COUNCIL BUDGET EVERY DOLLAR WE AREN'T SPENDING WHAT WE SPEND.

LIKE I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT OUR TRAVEL YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY ROOM IN OUR COUNCIL BUDGET TO FIND THE SAVINGS TO PAY THE EXCESS. WELL, IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING POINT YOU BRING UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL HAS VARIED YEAR TO YEAR. I'M SURE YOU COULD ARGUE THAT THERE'S BEEN YEARS WHERE MORE COUNSELORS HAVE DONE MORE THINGS. SO WHERE ARE THE SAVINGS IN THAT? GO STRAIGHT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. SURE. YEAH. BUT IT'S I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT THAT IT'S JUST A PRIORITIZATION. YEAH. YOU COULD FUND SOME OF YOU COULD FUND SOMETHING THIS COMING YEAR IN PART FROM TRAVEL AND SAVING. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. AND I THINK I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT TO GET THE BASE RATE. YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M ACTUALLY SUPPORTIVE OF TYING OUR INCREASES, NOT TO A NUMBER, BUT TO WHAT WE GIVE TO THE EMPLOYEES EMPLOYEES THE YEAR BEFORE, SO THAT WE'RE ALWAYS IN LINE WITH WHAT, THE EMPLOYEES. SO YOU'RE

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IS THERE GOING TO BE POLITICAL WILL TO DO THAT? YEAH. NO. ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT DOESN'T SOUND AS ATTRACTIVE. RIGHT. BUT WHILE WE'RE GETTING I THINK ULTIMATELY MAYOR, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK PERHAPS THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE OF ONE RECRUITMENT. RIGHT? JUST GETTING INDIVIDUALS TO RUN AND MAKING IT SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, DOABLE IN THEIR LIVES. I KNOW OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO BE INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY AND RETIRED. I KNOW OF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO PROBABLY MADE SOME CALCULUS IN THAT. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, JUST LIKE WITH THE REST OF YOUR EMPLOYEES. THOSE ARE TWO HUGE CONSIDERATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS JOB DOES ACTUALLY COST SOMETHING. JUST JUST ASK ME HOW MANY MEETINGS I'VE GONE TO AT LUNCHES AND HOW MUCH GAS WE SPEND EVERY MONTH.

AND, AND HOW MANY EVENTS YOU'RE EXPECTED TO DO. AND NO GUARANTEE WE WON'T BE PAYING FOR FUTURE PARKING. I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL VERY REAL COSTS. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT WE ACCEPT. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARDER AND HARDER TIME GETTING PEOPLE TO BE INTERESTED IN REPRESENTING THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND THEIR COMMUNITY IF IT'S GOING TO COST THEM SOMETHING. BUT MAYBE, PERHAPS WE ONLY WANT THE RICH AND ELITE TO RUN. WELL, NO, THAT THAT IS A BIG CONSIDERATION AS THEY TALK ABOUT RETIREES AND DILETTANTES. AND I HAD TO LOOK UP DILETTANTE WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A COMMON WORD, BUT THE IDEA BEING, YEAH, THOSE WHO ARE INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY AND THAT THAT SPEAKS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE FREE TIME AND NOT ALL RETIREES ARE GOING TO BE OF A WEALTHY. HOW THE WEALTHY BACKGROUND. BUT DO YOU WANT YOUR POLICY THAT GOVERNS YOUR COMMUNITY TO BE MADE BY PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE STRUGGLED ON, ON A SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK, OR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE HAD TO BALANCE A BUDGET SO TIGHTLY THAT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT LIFE EXPERIENCE TO BRING. AND SO PART OF THE ARGUMENT IN THE POLITICAL SCIENCE LITERATURE SAYS THAT YOU WANT TO PAY AT A RATE THAT BRINGS IN A VARIETY OF PEOPLE, SO THAT YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF LIFE EXPERIENCES AROUND THE TABLE. WHEN YOU'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC. AND SO THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT POINTS TO BRING UP. WELL, JUST REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT, IF YOU'RE A MEDIAN INCOME IS 57,000, BUT YOU CAN ONLY RECRUIT PEOPLE TO BE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT MAKE THAT HAVE HAD. SIX. YEAH. SIX FIGURE POSITION. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION. AND I CONSIDER I ALSO SAY THAT LIKE EVEN NOW THE MAKEUP OF OUR COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE A BIG FAMILY COMPONENT. LIKE YOU'RE PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE. I'M THE I'M THE ONLY PERSON THAT'S EVER HAD SMALL CHILDREN AT HOME, WHICH IS A PARKS AND RECREATION QUESTION. YOU DON'T GET THE SAME KIND OF I MEAN, LISA HAD ONE HIGH SCHOOLER, YOU HAD A HIGH SCHOOLER. I WAS ELECTED, MY DAUGHTER WAS 12. YEAH, YEAH. SO MY SON WAS FOUR. SO I DO THINK IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. I JUST THINK REALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, WE'RE CLEARLY SHOULD BE CLOSER TO 20 THAN 15 AS A BASE. AND THEN THE INCREASES I DON'T THINK. I DON'T HAVE A HUGE. SO HOW HAVE WE BEEN DOING IT NOW SINCE WE DID THE TWO? LIKE HOW HAVE YOU APPROACHED THAT THE 2.15% EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY, THE PAY RATE FOR THE COUNCIL GOES UP AT A 2.15% AND THE MAYOR'S IS THE SAME THING GOES UP BY 2.15. BUT IT'S ONLY AS STIPULATED HERE. AND THIS WAS ONLY ENACTED THIS

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DEFENSIBLE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BENCHMARK IT'S DEMONSTRATING AT LEAST. WELL, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN JUST POINT OUT JUST FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COVERS ALL OF ADA COUNTY CITIES. SO THOSE CITIES DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANY LEVY FOR THEIR STREETS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SNOW REMOVAL. THEY DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, SIDEWALKS AND THOSE THINGS. THEY ALSO, BY AND LARGE, ALL CONTRACT OUT SANITATION. AND SO TAXPAYERS ARE NOT PAYING IN FOR THAT. AND THERE IS NO CITY DIVISION FOR THAT AND NO NEEDED EXPERTISE.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT LESS THAT A ADA COUNTY CITY, WHICH THAT'S WHERE THE TOP FIVE IN POPULATION, TOP FOUR ARE AHEAD OF US. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AS MUCH. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMPLEXITY, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT, OH, WE HAVE A POWER UTILITY AND A FIBER UTILITY. WE ALL AND OH, WE, WE RUN THE SECOND BUSIEST AIRPORT IN THE STATE. IT'S ALSO THAT WE DO MORE QUITE LITERALLY, BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THEY JUST FLAT OUT DON'T DO. SO THIS IS A HARDER JOB. AND SO COMPARING IT'S HARD TO CAN'T DO IT RIGHT. WE CAN'T COMPARE PAY PER DIVISION OR PAY PER DEPARTMENT PAY. WE HAVE TO FEEL OUR WAY. BUT I WILL ARGUE EVERY CHANCE I GET, WHICH I HAVE, YOU'RE PROBABLY SICK OF HEARING ME SAY IT. WE ARE A COMPLEX CITY. DID DID COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW LEAVE BEHIND ANY COMMENTS, MAYOR, FOR YOU TO PASS ON? NOT WITH ME. I KNOW THAT SHE HAD BEEN TRYING TO WATCH THE LIVESTREAM. SHE SHE COULDN'T COULDN'T GET IN ON QUITE A WHILE AGO. YEAH, YEAH, I TALKED TO HER ABOUT IT. I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR WHAT SHE SAID, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE. I THINK SHE AGREES THE COMPLEXITY ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE WOULD SAY ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO BECAUSE OF IT, BUT I THINK I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST CURIOUS IF YOU PASS ON ANYTHING. SOMETIMES WHEN I LEAVE, I'LL SAY SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY. YEAH, SO YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION NOW, OR WE CAN PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 11TH OF AUGUST TO HAVE A SECOND FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION OR HAVE A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION DURING WHICH A DECISION WOULD BE MADE. IT WOULD REQUIRE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN PASSED OUT TO YOU. AND THAT'S THE WAY WE CAN WRAP THIS CONVERSATION. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO CUT IT OFF BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVEN'T SAID. WELL, I'LL SAY ANOTHER THING ON THE MERITS OF. LOOK AT LIKE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS, ETC. YES, IT'S WAY LOW FOR WHAT'S EXPECTED OF A MAYOR OF THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS. I CERTAINLY KNOW IF YOU IT CERTAINLY WAS A DETERRENT FOR ME TO EVER WATCH. I MEAN, IT JUST ISN'T COMPENSATION AT THE LEVEL OF THE DEMANDS OF THE. AND SO THAT'S FOR SURE, I WOULD SAY, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY REALLY WANTS TO FIGURE FACTOR IN. BUT NOT HAVING A SECOND INCOME FROM A SPOUSE AT HOME AND NOT HAVING A SPOUSE AT HOME. I FIND THAT THINGS LIKE SHOVELING MY DRIVEWAY, MOWING THE LAWNS, TRIMMING ANNUAL MAINTENANCE, AND THOSE THINGS I EITHER HAVE TO NOT DO DO MYSELF AT THE EXPENSE OF SLEEP OR QUALITY OF WORK AT THE CITY, OR PAY FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO. AND I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD A HARD TIME JUGGLING ALL OF THAT, AND I HAVE SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT I AM GOING TO LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING ANOTHER JOB TO PAY FOR WHEN I'M DONE BEING MAYOR, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT DONE WHILE I'VE BEEN MAYOR, GIVEN THE LACK OF DOLLARS. AND SO IF YOU END UP WITH A MAYOR WHO HAS A SPOUSE WHO TAKES CARE OF THOSE THINGS, THEN IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. BUT IN MY CASE, IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A OF A DIFFICULTY.

AGAIN, WE DON'T MAKE THESE DECISIONS BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL SITUATION OF ANYBODY.

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I MEAN, IN MY SPHERE OF PEOPLE, CEO IN THE NONPROFIT WORLD, WE WOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT THAT NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE COMPLEXITY AND THEN HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE BEING PAID TO PEOPLE UNDER, WE CAN'T ATTRACT PEOPLE FOR 80 OR 100 TO DIRECT OUR PROGRAMS. SO YOU CAN'T JUST THEN SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME DIFFERENTIAL TO. AND THEN THAT'S PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE SOME OF OUR DIRECTORS ARE MAKING HUGE NUMBERS, SALARIES, WHICH I DON'T THINK OUR MAYOR WILL GET THERE BECAUSE THERE'S REASONS FOR THAT IN TERMS OF STUDIES. RIGHT. BUT I WAS KIND OF ALWAYS INTERESTED IN TAKING A LIKE AN AVERAGE OF WHAT THE DIRECTORS WERE MAKING TO SEE IF YOU COULD AT LEAST BE IN THAT RANGE, MAYBE TAKING OUT THE TOP ONE. BUT I JUST THINK YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE 150 TO 170 AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, OR ELSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY, WELL, I KNOW WHEN IT WAS AT 80. OR 800 EMPLOYEES AND A $300 MILLION BUDGET. I MEAN, IF YOU WERE DOING THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND WE'RE NOT. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE, BUT YOU WOULD BE IN THE 400 TO $500,000 CEO. SO, WELL, LET ME POINT OUT, TOO, THAT THE ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR RUNNING IS THAT YOU'D BE OVER THE AGE OF 8 OR 18 AND THAT YOU'D BE A CITY RESIDENT. AND SO YOU NEVER KNOW ABOUT THE VAGARIES OF THE POPULACE. RIGHT? THEY COULD THEORETICALLY ELECT SOMEBODY WHO'S DOESN'T HAVE A HIGH CAPACITY. MAYBE THEY'VE ONLY GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, 21 YEARS OLD. IT'S POSSIBLE. AND SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THEN A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO BRING A LOT OF EXECUTIVE FUNCTION BECAUSE THEY JUST HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GAIN THAT IN THEIR LIFE. YOU THEN MIGHT HAVE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO RELY VERY, VERY HEAVILY ON ANOTHER KIND OF EMPLOYEE. AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD THIS AROUND ASSUMING THAT EVERYONE WHO'S ELECTED IS GOING TO BE CEO. QUALITY, BECAUSE TALK ABOUT IMPOSTER SYNDROME. I DON'T HAVE CEO, YOU KNOW, CREDENTIALS. AND THIS HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE TO LEARN THAT. BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHO'S GOING TO GET ELECTED UNLESS WE HAD SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR A SUPERINTENDENT. THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS INVOLVED. ALL OF THOSE AREN'T SUBJECT TO ELECTION. SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THERE. AND WE'VE ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SPAN OF OR SPAN OF CONTROL THAT THE MAYOR HAS AND HOW IF WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD CREATE A POSITION OF CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND OR ASSISTANT CITY ADMINISTRATOR, THEN YOU COULD TURN A LOT OF THE EXECUTIVE FUNCTION OVER AND FREE YOURSELVES UP TO LET THE POPULACE ELECT WHO THEY WANT AND NOT HAVE THE WHOLE CITY STRUGGLING, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CEO WHO'S GOTTEN ELECTED.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THERE. AND MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE MAYOR'S SALARY TOO HIGH BEFORE YOU HAVE THAT OTHER MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION. WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF YOU GO AWAY FROM A STRONG MAYOR SYSTEM AND I, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU SAW SOME, BUT MY SENSE OF BEING A CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE IN THE 200,000 RANGE FOR ANYTHING THAT CITY, CITY OR AT LEAST WHAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT MYSELF. IF YOU LOOK ON HERE, HOW MANY LARGER CITIES HAVE A CITY MANAGER? PRETTY SKINNY. THE SMALLEST CITIES DO WELL, IN OUR CASE. YEAH, WELL, AN ADMINISTRATOR IS DIFFERENT. I MEAN, IF YOU SAY MANAGER, YOU ARE SAYING THEN THAT YOU HAVE A. DIFFERENT SYSTEM, A WEAK MAYOR, RIGHT? EXACTLY. AND THAT WOULD

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RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT. HOW DOES CALDWELL AND NAMPA HAVE 33 AND 29 DEPARTMENTS? NO IDEA. THEY JUST DEFINE THEM MORE CLEARLY. THEY HAVE BEEN THAT IN LIEU OF BEING ABLE TO FIND THAT ON THE WEBSITE, THEY JUST COUNTED EVERY FUNCTION. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT WE COULD WE COULD GET TO IT TOO, IF WE DID. PLANNING AND ZONING SEPARATELY. IF WE DID, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THE NUANCED DATA LIKE THAT IS NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD. YOU'RE ALL REALLY FAMILIAR WITH IT, SPENT A LOT OF TIME GATHERING THIS DATA, BUT IT REALLY WAS LIKE GOING OUT TO WEBSITES AND SEARCHING THROUGH WHAT THEY HAD, AND THEY LISTED IT IN SOME WAY THAT WE MISUNDERSTOOD IT. THE SOLID NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING AND WHAT THEIR BUDGETS WERE. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE DESCRIPTIONS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY FROM ANOTHER CITY MIGHT LOOK AT THESE WRITE UPS AND THINK, WAIT A MINUTE, WE THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO TRY TO GATHER THAT DATA. AND IT'S GOOD. I WOULD SAY IT'S REASONABLY GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT PERFECT. AND THE THING THAT I ASKED FOR WAS THE BUDGETS. JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR SPENDING AND OUR BUDGET DOES THAT SHOWS THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S SOMETHING I'M PROUD OF IN THE CITY THAT WE COLLECT, WHAT, $40 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAXES. AND YET CITIZENS GET A LOT MORE FOR THEIR MONEY IN SOME WAYS. NOW THEY'RE PAYING ENTERPRISE FEES, AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GETTING IT FOR FREE. BUT THE ONE THING I PICKED UP, I KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE HERE, DESCRIBING AND RESEARCHING. BUT THE OTHER THING I LEARNED IS, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR'S BUDGET HAD HOW MUCH IN IT IN CAPACITY FOR THE AIRPORT THAT NEVER GOT UTILIZED. YEAH. OR HOW MANY YEARS DID WE CARRIED THE CAPACITY FOR A NEW FIRE STATION THAT IT NEVER GOT SPENT BECAUSE WE ONLY SPENT IT ONCE, BUT IT WAS IN THERE FOR LIKE THREE YEARS. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT DISTORTS THE BUDGET NUMBERS. I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE OTHER CITIES HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING. SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS WE MANAGE $190 MILLION IN ASSETS THAT WE INVEST, AND THAT'S NEVER BEEN COUNTED IN OUR BUDGETS UNTIL THIS YEAR. AND THAT'S I CAN SEE THAT, BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT A VALUE ON THE POWER COMPANY ON THE AIRPORT. THAT'S WHY I TOOK THE NUMBERS THAT WERE OF THE NUMBERS THAT WERE AVAILABLE. I TOOK THE EXPENDITURES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT WAS SPENT IN A GIVEN YEAR, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A YEAR AND A HALF OLD AT THIS POINT, IT'S NUMBERS THAT WERE SPENT IN MANY YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, IN ANY GIVEN YEAR, CAPITAL PROJECT COULD PUSH SOME OF THESE BUDGET UP 50 MILLION OR MORE. BUT THIS IS MONEY THAT WAS SPENT IN THAT YEAR. AND THAT I AGREE WITH. LIKE I SAID, IT COULD BE THE YEAR THAT THEY BUILT A NEW FIRE STATION DURING A POLICE STATION AND SPENT $20 MILLION. WELL, I GUESS MAYBE TO TRY TO WRAP UP THIS MEETING AND GO FORWARD WITH THE LOOK AT WHAT WE TENTATIVELY AGREED TO ADJUST THE BASE BOTH FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND WE'LL LEAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER FOR ANOTHER MEETING

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THAT'S MY SENSE OF HOW YOU GET TO THE RIGHT SIZE, BECAUSE WE ARE THE MOST COMPLEX CITY, WE ARE DOING THE MOST. AND THE ELECTRICAL ASK IS REALLY BIG, RIGHT? LIKE, YOU, I KNOW ALL OF YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF HOURS INTO LEARNING ELECTRIC AND GOING TO CONFERENCES AND GOING TO IOWA AND GOING TO ALL THOSE THINGS, AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITY COSTS TO WHAT WE CAN EARN IF WE WERE DOING SOMETHING. SO THAT'S MY SENSE OF WHERE WE COULD GO. RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE THINKING MORE LIKE THE 2500, HALFWAY TO 20,000. WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A NUMBER BECAUSE HE CAN'T DO A PERCENTAGE. RIGHT. YOU COULD SAY DARREN AND MIKE GO RIGHT AS AN ORDINANCE THAT GIVES US A 15% BASE INCREASE IN A 3% RAISE EVERY YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS. WHAT WE BRING YOU BACK IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THAT'S GOT A DOLLAR VALUE. SO IF THAT'S THE NUMBER YOU'RE THINKING OF, I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE INSTRUCTIONS AND WRITE WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE.

AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO PAY FOR IT OUT OF OUR BUDGET. I AGREE THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD TO DO IT IN A YEAR WHERE IT'S ROUGH, BUT I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SAVINGS IN THE COUNCIL BUDGET.

IT'S 1,000,001 RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT MY GUT TELLS ME THAT THERE'S SOME SAVINGS THERE FOR 36,000 A YEAR. I THINK THAT PART WOULD BE EASIER TO ACCOMPLISH AND CAN BE DONE QUICKER. WE HAVE TIME TO DO IT BEFORE THE FINAL BUDGET IS APPROVED, BUT AND IT WON'T IMPACT THE HEARING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ON YOUR TENTATIVE BUDGET. BUT WE DO NEED TO.

IDENTIFY A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE AIMING FOR, AND THEN THE MATH CAN BE DONE TO CREATE THE PAY SCHEDULE. IF WE HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT, OR IF YOU HAVE A PERCENTAGE, A KIND OF FORMULA THAT YOU'RE AIMING FOR. AND SO IF THERE, WE COULD PICK THAT NOW OR A COUPLE OF YOU COULD THROW SOME SCENARIOS AND SOME SCENARIOS TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS, TO DARREN. AND BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING ON AUGUST 11TH BY, LET'S SAY, BY EARLY NEXT WEEK, SO THAT THEY HAVE A WEEK TO PUT IT TOGETHER, THEN THAT MIGHT GET US WHERE WE NEED TO GO. SO, JOHN, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR DOLLAR AMOUNT IDEA AND WRITE IT DOWN AND OPERATIONALIZE IT. AND OTHERS OF YOU WHO MIGHT HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT. DOES THAT SOUND OKAY. GREAT. OKAY. SO PROPOSALS THEN NEED TO HAPPEN TO DAIRY BY NEXT MONDAY A WEEK FROM TODAY. I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IS WHICH ONES, WHO'S SENDING THE PROPOSAL? AND WHAT IF I GET TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS FROM TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE THEN YOU WOULD. I HOPE YOU GET SIX SO THAT YOU WOULD JUST BREAK OUT THE MATH IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, AND THEN EVERYBODY HERE WOULD, AREN'T WE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE YOU READY TO KIND OF JUST MAKE THOSE CHANGES, MAYBE ON THE ORDINANCE? YEAH. I MEAN, I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT THIS ISN'T THAT COMPLEX OF AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT? IT'S LITERALLY PUT AN INNOCENT NUMBERS. SO EVEN IF, EVEN IF YOU DECIDED TO REWRITE THE WHOLE THING TONIGHT OF WE'VE WRITTEN SOME THINGS IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT BEFORE I COULD DO IT FOR YOU AGAIN. YEAH, ESPECIALLY BEFORE YOU GOT HERE. IT'S JUST THAT THEY'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. RIGHT.

THIS IS REALLY ON US TO TELL YOU THAT. CAN I ASK, DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE AT THIS POINT? I'LL SAY, I THINK I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEING SAID. WHEN I LOOK AT THE DATA AND I LOOK AT THE COMPLEXITY, I DON'T, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN FROM A PURELY COMPENSATION STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE KINDS OF NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO BRING THOSE UP. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO DO THAT FROM A COMPENSATION STANDPOINT.

THERE'S A BUDGET DISCUSSION THAT'S SEPARATE. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT BE SEPARATE, BUT PURELY, PURELY FROM A BENCHMARKING COMPENSATION PERSPECTIVE, I HAVE NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER WITH INCREASING BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S SALARY BASED ON THIS INFORMATION. AND I WOULD SAY ONE THING I'VE HAD TO DO IS LOOK AT THE MAYOR'S SALARY INSTEAD OF OURS, BECAUSE WHEN IT'S YOURS, YOU'RE KIND OF BIASED, FOR SURE. BUT WHEN I WATCHED WHAT THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL WAS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS IN THAT 86, 88, IT WAS ALWAYS TOO LITTLE. YEAH, IT

[03:15:04]

[Mayor and City Council]

DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS. HI. LARSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. SO, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'LL JUST SHARE A COUPLE THINGS, A COUPLE THINGS THAT I HAVE WITH YOU. SPEAKING OF BEING BUSY AND HAVING A LOT TO DO, YOU SEE THAT AUGUST IS HAS A LOT OF DATES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THE WARBONNET RODEO KICKS OFF, AND IN FACT, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE GOING TO BE GOING, IS EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM GOING TO BE THERE ON FRIDAY NIGHT? NO. OH, DON'T HAVE MICHELLE FRIDAY NIGHT OKAY. SO OH WOW. FIRST TIME EVER. WHO'S GONNA MISS A SELFIE ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK? YOU'LL HAVE TO SHOUT ME IN. WE DON'T HAVE ANY BELT BUCKLES FOR YOU. I KNOW. ALL RIGHT, SO FRIDAY NIGHT WE'RE ON IT. BUT IT STARTS WEDNESDAY WITH THE FREE EVENT. AND THAT'S A BIG FUN DAY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO. THEY CAN DO A LOT WITH RODEO ON WEDNESDAY. THURSDAY IS THE KICKOFF NIGHT TRIBUTE TO IS IT VETERANS? OH, I LOST TRACK. NO IT'S THE TRIBUTE TO VETERANS IS ON SATURDAY SO I FORGOT WHAT THE TRIBUTE IS ON THURSDAY. FIRST RESPONDERS I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. AND THEN WEAR PURPLE I BELIEVE IS ON FRIDAY AND THAT'S THAT'S BREAST CANCER AWARENESS.

AND THEN SATURDAY THE TRIBUTE TO THE VETERANS. SO WHAT ELSE OKAY. ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS NEXT WEEK. WE ALSO HAVE THE COMING UP THE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS FAIR WHICH YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO. BUT IF YOU DO THEY USUALLY HAVE BREAKFAST GOODIES THERE. AND IT'S EARLY EARLY TO MID-MORNING. THE 14TH DOE IS HOLDING AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING THAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN INVITED TO. IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HIGH BURN UP OF FUEL THAT'S COMING FOR TO INTO IDAHO TO BE CHARACTERIZED MEANING STUDIED BY DOE, THEN YOU WOULD WANT TO GO TO THAT. BUT IF YOU ARE NOT TERRIBLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESEARCH, YOU KNOW FUEL THAT'S BROUGHT INTO THE STATE FOR STUDY, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. ALSO, A THING THAT YOU'VE BEEN INVITED TO IS THE. ON THE 21ST HAS A WHAT THEY'RE CALLING A SPECIAL EVENT, AND THEY SAY IT'LL BE WORTH GOING TO. BUT THEY DIDN'T TELL US WHAT. THAT'S THE NOON HOUR ON THE 21ST. SO WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR MORE. THE 22ND. I BELIEVE IDAHO FALLS POWER IS STILL WORKING ON PUTTING TOGETHER A TOUR OF THE PLANT IN POCATELLO. AND WE'LL ASK. I WON'T ASK ANYBODY TO COMMIT TO ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A RIBBON CUTTING AT HERITAGE PARK FOR A HERITAGE TYPE DISPLAY THAT IDAHO FALLS POWER IS BEHIND, AND THAT WILL BE HAPPENING ON THE 28TH, I SKIPPED OVER. I HAVE DETERMINED THAT I'LL BE GOING TO, MOSTLY BECAUSE I WANT TO ASK IN PERSON SOME QUESTIONS ALONG THE LINES OF. OUR NEW OUR SEARCH FOR NEW DIRECTOR TO REPLACE THEIR GENERAL MANAGER TO REPLACE BEAR PRAIRIE. THERE'S ALSO IN THE 19TH, A WATER COLLEGE TOUR.

I THINK I'VE GIVEN YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT IN AN EMAIL. IN AN EMAIL, AND MORE WILL COME SOON. IN TERMS OF ARE THEY FEEDING EVERYBODY LUNCH OR, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT TIMES AND SUCH. SO AND THEN OUR ENTIRE BUDGET HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO IT IS A VERY BUSY MONTH. THE IDA TENANT PICNIC IS ALSO HAPPENING. FREE HOT DOG OR MAYBE A HAMBURGER. IF YOU GO DOWN TO THAT. IT'S ACTUALLY USUALLY BEEN A REALLY GOOD THEY. YEAH, THEY'VE GOT REALLY GOOD MEAT.

YEAH. ANYWAY IN AUGUST THERE'S ALSO TWO HIGH POWERED CHAMBER LUNCHEONS THAT ARE SCHEDULED NEXT TUESDAY AS CONGRESSMAN SIMPSON. AND THEN A WEEK LATER IS THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. I

[03:20:01]

YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE IT COULD SYSTEMATICALLY DISADVANTAGE IDAHO CITIES WHERE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT OUR THE WHOLE DILLON'S RULE ARGUMENT, WE CAN'T DO THINGS THAT OUR STATE DOESN'T ALLOW. WHEREAS A HOME RULE CITY IN ANOTHER STATE COULD CREATE A HOUSING PROGRAM JUST TO QUALIFY FOR ADDITIONAL CDBG. RIGHT. AND SO THAT THAT CHANGES THE EQUITY QUITE, QUITE A BIT. AND THAT'S WHERE I WORRY IF THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS BASING IT ON CITIES BEING PROACTIVE, OUR HANDS ARE TIED WHEN IT COMES TO HOW PROACTIVE WE CAN BE. SO I'LL TRY TO CONVEY THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? GET THEM TO ME BEFORE SAY, 7:00 TONIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN I'LL BE REACHING OUT TO THEIR OFFICE. IS THERE? NO. SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND WE'LL GO AROUND THE ROOM AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO SHARE OR HIGHLIGHT. AND SO WE'LL START WITH MICHELLE. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING THAT I LIKE. OKAY. HOW ABOUT JOHN? JUST ONE THING. THERE HAS BEEN WORKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING GROUP IN THE STATE. AND BE AWARE THAT THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING. AND THOSE MINUTES ARE OUT. AND THERE IS ONE MORE CHANCE TO MAKE COMMENTS. FROM OUR STANDPOINT, I THINK, OR FOR ME, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING, DIVERSITY AND HOUSING STOCK THAT IS MEETS THE NEEDS OF OUR OF OUR NEW EVOLVING DEMOGRAPHICS. YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE LIVE ALONE OR THEY LIVE WITH ONE OTHER PERSON. SO

[03:25:04]

THE OTHER THING IS WE'VE TALKED WE TALKED WITH SOME FREQUENCY AND RIGHTFULLY SO, ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE DIRECTOR AS A PROFESSIONAL QUALITY OF OUR DIRECTORS. BUT WHEN YOU SEE WHEN YOU SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE DIRECTORS AND YOU SEE THEM HAVE GREAT PASSION FOR WHAT IT IS THEY DO, I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S TAKING CARE OF SEWAGE OR TAKING CARE OF STREETS OR TAKING CARE OF THE AIRPORT OR WHATEVER IT IS. THEY REALLY DO WANT TO DO IT WELL, AND THEY WANT TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE TAXPAYERS AS WELL. THAT MOST DEFINITELY IS A HALLMARK OF OUR LEADERS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE IF EVERY CITY HAS IS AS FORTUNATE AS WE ARE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. INTERESTING COMMENT SELLING BOOKS. THIS WEEKEND SOMEONE CAME UP AND SAID THAT THEY'RE AN UBER DRIVER. IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THE CITY AND KNOW WHAT ISSUES ARE THERE OR WHAT'S GOING GREAT. UBER DRIVER FOR A FEW WEEKENDS, HE OFFERED TO LET ME RIDE WITH HIM, SO I GUESS I COULD ADD. I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO ROTARY ON THE 27TH OF AUGUST ABOUT LAND USE DECISIONS. OKAY, BECAUSE I STILL CONSIDER THAT THE TOUGHEST THING TO WHAT WAS THE TOPIC, WHAT'S THE TOPIC? THEY USUALLY HAVE A I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOPIC IS. AMANDA ASKED ME TO SPEAK. THAT'S AWESOME. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE DISCUSSION OR BENEFIT OF THE WHOLE. ALL RIGHT. SO HOMEWORK IS GET TO ME BY SEVEN IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE TO PASS ON TO SENATOR CRAPO'S OFFICE, GET TO DARREN BY NEXT MONDAY. IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR KIND OF PROPOSAL THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PUT FORWARD, THAT YOU FEEL YOU CAN SELL YOUR COLLEAGUES ON WHEN IT COMES TO COMPENSATION. AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO AND WORK REALLY HARD TO GET SOME THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY INTO THE AGENDA FOR THURSDAY NIGHT, AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO POST. WE'LL BE POSTING THAT TOMORROW AS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO. SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE DONE. WE'RE ADJOURNED FOR 30 MINUTES. OVER.

GREAT. COMPARED TO WHAT

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.