Jul 22, 2025 City Council Work Session

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

[00:00:07]

ALRIGHT, WE ARE LIVE. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND THEN IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OR GO OUT IN THE HALLWAY AND GATHER THINGS UP, WE CAN DO THAT ONCE WE GET STARTED. SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND WE'LL INVITE THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD, PRESENT. COUNCILOR. DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. FRANCIS HERE.

[Mayor]

THEY USUALLY USE THAT TO OPEN UP THE ROOM THERE AND HAVE THEIR BOARDS SET UP. ANYWAY, I TALKED ABOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF A WELCOME OR A GREETING FOR THEM, AND I HAVE OPTED NOT TO DO A CARD OF SOME KIND, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET BACK FOR MY COUR ON THURSDAY NIGHT, AND THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO GET TO THE MEETING AND THEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. I GET TO DO A WELCOME MAT. SO THAT'S MY GOAL RIGHT NOW. AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, BUT I WILL ARRANGE TO HAVE A JUST A GREETING OF SOME KIND, A HANDWRITTEN NOTE TO DELIVER TO THEM. AT THAT MEETING ON FRIDAY. SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO ALSO JUST MENTION THAT WE HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO HAVE ALREADY LEFT FOR ICWA, OTHERS WHO WILL BE LEAVING TONIGHT, AND SOME WHO ARE LEAVING, LEAVING TOMORROW, TOMORROW AT 5 P.M. AT ICU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO PAY A LITTLE TRIBUTE TO BEAR IN THAT DINNER SETTING. THE DINNER ON THE PATIO KIND OF THING. NEXT WEEK WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ON MONDAY, AND. THURSDAY, AND THEN AT THAT COUNCIL MEETING NEXT THURSDAY, THAT'S WHEN WE WILL BE ADOPTING OUR TENTATIVE BUDGET. AND THAT IS THE TENTATIVE IN IDAHO FALLS OR IN IDAHO, STATUTORY LANGUAGE MEANS NOT TO EXCEED. SO TODAY, OUR GOAL IS TO GET TO A NUMBER THAT WE ARE FEELING LIKE WILL BE THE NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER. WE MAY OPT TO ROLL SOME THINGS INTO CONTINGENCY THAT WE CAN PULL OUT. IF WE LATER GET NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY THAT THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT OUR ESTIMATES ARE. AND THEN ANYWAY, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE GO. WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE SCHEDULE. BUT I KIND OF JUST WANTED TO DO THE BIG PICTURE, WHICH IS TODAY. WE'RE TRYING TO GET OURSELVES TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER FORMAL MEETING BEFORE WE GET TO OUR OUR TENTATIVE BUDGET, SO

[Library Director]

[00:05:05]

OKAY. SO LAST YEAR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCONCERTING IN THE PRESENTATION WAS THAT THE PROJECT FOR THE FRONT WAS GOING TO BE COMING OUT OF THE RESERVES. IT WASN'T COMING OUT OF OLD BUDGET AND THAT WAS THE WORRY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ALTHOUGH THEY'VE BEEN SAVING UP, SO IT WORKED. BUT IN REALITY, THE REST OF THE BUDGET THAT IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T. IT DIDN'T BALANCE WITHOUT ALSO DIPPING INTO THEIR RESERVES. AND

[00:10:08]

AND SO THERE IS A, I THINK, A BIT OF AN ISSUE THERE. WAIT, I THINK THAT WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, THAT WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE SAID THAT THAT THEIR LEVY, I MEAN, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THAT'S ACCURATE. ACCURATE. I THINK THAT THEIR LEVY HAS BEEN INCREASING. WHAT I SAID THEN, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A REASON, THERE'S A COUNCIL REASON AS WELL AS A LOSING THE COUNTY PARTICIPATION REASON AS WELL. BUT WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE BUDGETARY REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T KEPT PACE? THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS THE COUNTY BREAKING OFF RIGHT? 23. THAT'S THAT FUNDING WENT AWAY AND WE WERE SHORT 600,000. IT'S BEEN INCREMENTALLY BUT WE DID KEEP EVERYTHING FLAT WHEN THAT BROKE UP. WE DIDN'T TAKE SOME THINGS OUT. BUT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THEM PAY FOR EMPLOYEE EXPENSES BY BLESSING OF THE LEVY TO COVER IT, OR ARE THEY TAKING IT OUT OF THEIR RESERVES? SO WHAT'S OUR POLICY? DO WE HAVE ONE OR IS IT HIT AND MISS EVERY YEAR? WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY ON WHAT WE DO. WE HAVE A PRACTICE.

YES. SORRY. AND SO ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO WE LEFT IT FLAT FOR 1 OR 2 YEARS. AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND SAID WE DID SOME ANALYSIS AND SAID, WELL, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY COST IS PAYROLL RELATED EVERY YEAR, WHATEVER THE INCREASE IN PAYROLL IS, THE LEVY WOULD COVER THE DEBT THAT INCREASE. AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR ABOUT UNTIL THIS YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS. YEAH. UNTIL THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND SO THE ERROR NOT ERROR, BUT THE ASSUMPTION THAT ROBERT MADE WAS THAT THIS YEAR WOULD BE THAT WAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THIS POSITION FOR LAST THIS YEAR.

LAST YEAR. WHY WERE WE DIPPING IN THE FUND. WE HAVE THAT MONEY I MEAN I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF FACETIOUS BUT BUT WE'VE SEEN INCREASED COSTS. WE DIDN'T USED TO PAY MAINTENANCE ON BILLS AND WE DIDN'T USED TO HAVE PAY LABOR ON BUILDINGS. AND WE'RE OKAY DOING THAT. BUT THAT'S AN INCREASED COST. AND THEN OUR COSTS FROM OUR VENDORS HAS GONE UP INCREMENTALLY. AND WE DIDN'T REDUCE OUR SPENDING BY SAYING, HEY, INSTEAD OF BUYING $150,000 WORTH OF NEW BOOKS FOR 500,000, WE WOULD PERSONALLY, WE'D RATHER REDUCE PEOPLE TO MATERIALS. OKAY, PEOPLE COME TO THE LIBRARY, THEY LIKE THE PROGRAM, BUT THEY COME TO THE MATERIALS. AND IF YOU REDUCE MATERIALS COST OVER TIME, THE LIBRARY BECOMES LESS USEFUL. YEAH, PEOPLE JUST QUIT COMING AND THEY HAVE TO FIRE PEOPLE. AND THEN SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MY CONFUSION, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT THIS YEAR THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WASN'T INCLUDED. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ASK IS. ESSENTIALLY THAT'S THE ASK FOR THE COUNCIL. YES. ABOUT 60,060 FOR THE PERSONNEL. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TAKE OUR SPREADSHEET AND PUT 60,000 FROM THE LIBRARY ON THERE, SO THAT IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE MEETING, WHEN WE START GOING OVER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FUND AND WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND, THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE. IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT ACROSS REC AND STREETS AS WELL, WHICH WE HAVEN'T DONE EITHER THIS YEAR. AND SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE DECISION FACTORS THAT YOU'LL NEED TO MAKE TODAY ON THE PROPERTY TAXES. SO PJ HOW DID YOU MANAGE THE EMPLOYEE PIECE WITH THE FLAT LEVY WITH IN RECREATION? ACTUALLY THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT WAS CORRELATED TO WAS AS AS STAFFING GREW, THE LEVY GREW. IT WAS KIND OF WHAT THE WHAT THAT CORRELATION DID. SO BUT THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR WE HAVE NOT. SO WE'RE HOW IS IT IMPACTING. WE ARE WORKING ON OUR ON OUR PROGRAMING AS A WHOLE ON JUST CUTTING ANY EXCESS SPENDING AND, AND PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, KEEPING IT TO PROGRAMS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE BREAKING EVEN. OR I THINK WE WILL GIVE YOU OPTIONS TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE COMING SLIDES. BUT BUT BECAUSE THIS WAS NEW AND IT'S NOT ANYWHERE, WE NEEDED TO GET THAT $60,000 INTO EVERYBODY'S BRAIN. AND LISA RECREATION HAD MULTIPLE PERSONNEL SAVINGS FOR PEOPLE LEAVING, RETIRING AND THEN BEING ABLE TO HIRE PEOPLE

[00:15:04]

[00:20:04]

MOST OF THEM ARE 40 YEARS PLUS WHEN THOSE, YOU KNOW, IF ALL OF THEM WENT OUT THE SAME DAY, YOU'RE TALKING OVER $1 MILLION EXPENDITURE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT FROM ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY THAT HAS AN AGING FACILITY. BUT THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. SO WE JUST NEED SOME DIRECTION. ON WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. THAT'S 560,000. SO WE ADD 60,000 TO OUR LIST OF THINGS TO CONSIDER LATER IN THE MEETING. LISA, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING BEFORE WE MOVE ON, BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SLICED AND DICED AND LOOKED AT THE LIBRARY BUDGET OVER TIME. BUT WHEN YOU SAY 200,000, WE DON'T GROW IN EVEN INCREMENTS EVERY YEAR. AND SO IS THIS AN APPROXIMATELY 2200? YEAH, YEAH, IT WENT FROM LIKE 2,000,401 TO 2,000,006, 65 TO 2,000,008, 64 TO 3 MILLION. AND ONE, I MEAN, SO ROUGH. ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M REALLY UNDERSTANDING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. WHY AT 65,000 FOR 3% OF SALARIES, THEY WOULD USE 120 IN FUND BALANCE BECAUSE THAT IS FOLLOWING THE SAME TRAJECTORY.

AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, SO THAT IT'S NOT SO THAT IT ALL CAN COME TOGETHER. AND THERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO ACHIEVE THAT, AND IT JUST HAS TO BE THROUGH CUTTING THROUGH INCREASING THEIR SHARE OF THE LEVY. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THEN WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS AND WHERE WE LAND, WHERE WE'RE LANDING, WHICH IS OF THE MONEY THAT'S NEEDED TO MEET SALARY. IF THEY SPEND A PORTION OF THEIR RESERVE AND ADD 60,000 TO IT, THAT IS GOING TO BE ON A LIST TODAY. IF THEY GET THAT, THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO STICK WITH THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED LAST WEEK. IF THEY DON'T GET 60,000, THEN THAT WILL COME OUT OF PERSONNEL. OKAY. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? OKAY. THEN THE

[Finance Team, Mayor's Officе, Council and Departments]

SO IN THE PAST I'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH AND PRESENTED A ONE SPREADSHEET THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH HOW THINGS ARE CALCULATED TODAY. I DECIDED TO BREAK IT UP INTO A LITTLE BIT BITE SIZED PIECES AND NOT GET OVERWHELMED WITH ONE BIG SPREADSHEET. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE. ONE THING TO NOTE THOUGH, TODAY IS I AM NOT PRESENTING THE NECESSARILY THE IMPACT TO THE TAXPAYER. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO LATER. ONCE WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA FROM THE COUNTY. AND

[00:25:02]

DIRECTOR STANTON WOULD BE THE ONE TO ADDRESS ON ANNEXATIONS. THE OTHER PIECE IS NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2024 IS 177 MILLION. IS OUR ESTIMATE. AND THEN THAT LEAVES THE VALUATION ADJUSTMENT AT 4.9%. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW HERE, IS THAT OUTSIDE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION ANNEXATION, WHICH IS ADDING TO THE PIE, HOW MUCH DOES THE PIE VALUE CHANGE? AND THAT IS ABOUT 5%. WITH THE OVERALL VALUATION CHANGING 7.15%, THE MIXTURE OF VALUATION COMES DOWN BETWEEN FOUR CATEGORIES ON THE INCREASE. IT'S INDUSTRIAL, ITS AGRICULTURE, ITS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. EACH POINT OF PROPERTY HAS DIFFERENT VALUATION TECHNIQUES AND FLUCTUATE DIFFERENTLY FROM EACH OTHER. WHEN THE VALUATION IS DIFFERENT, MEANING THAT ONE GROUP OF THE FOUR IS INCREASE GREATER THAN THE OTHERS, IT CREATES A TAX SHIFT. THE ONLY WAY YOU DON'T HAVE A TAX SHIFT IS IF THEY'RE ALL INCREASED AT THE SAME VALUE. THAT MEANS IN THIS CASE, EVERY EVERY ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE INCREASED BY 4.95%.

BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY. AND SO THIS YEAR I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A TAX SHIFT TOWARDS COMMERCIAL. THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE BY ZILLOW INCREASED LAST YEAR LESS THAN 2.5%. IT'S AROUND 2.1%. AND SO THAT MEANS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE VALUATION INCREASE IS COMMERCIAL. AND IF YOU JUST PLUG INTO A, YOU KNOW, ALGEBRA EQUATION BASED ON YOUR MIXTURE, THAT MEANS THAT THE COMMERCIAL AT LEAST WILL NOT MORE THAN 9%. YOU'RE LOOKING AT 10 TO 10 TO 15% IS WHERE COMMERCIAL HAS INCREASED. SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST A SUMMARY ON VALUATION. ANY QUESTIONS ON VALUATION. ANYBODY WANT TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION WHAT THEY THINK IT IS. SINCE WE'VE SEEN IN PRIOR YEARS POST COVID, A BIG, BIG SHIFT TOWARD RESIDENTIAL, MOVING A LITTLE BIT BACK TOWARD COMMERCIAL, ISN'T THAT IT'S NOT A BIG BUMMER FOR COMMERCIAL. THEY'RE STILL FAR AHEAD OF PARODY. SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY. I ALSO THINK THAT IF YOU WERE IN, DIRECTOR STANTON COULD ANSWER THIS BETTER IF YOU WERE TO PULL WHAT'S PERMITS ARE COMING OUT. MAJORITY IS PROBABLY A LITTLE ON THE HEAVY ON THE MULTI FAMILY HOUSING WHICH IS COMMERCIAL BASED. RIGHT. WE'RE CURRENTLY AT THE POINT OF DOUBLE WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR WITH MULTIFAMILY. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT THE COMMERCIAL LAGS BEHIND BECAUSE USUALLY WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE A BOOM OF POPULATION IN RESIDENTIAL. THOSE THEY CALL THEM ROOFTOPS. ROOFTOPS HAVE TO COMPENSATE FOR RETAIL SALES. WHATEVER YOU HAVE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. SO YES, YOU WILL SEE THAT LAG. IT'S VERY TYPICAL. MARK WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE SPLIT BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. SO IT'S ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN. 70, 30, 75, 25 IN THAT RANGE. IT'S WHERE HEAVY RESIDENTIAL OKAY. YEAH. THERE IS VERY LITTLE EGG OBVIOUSLY AS THE CITY BUILDS AND GETS BIGGER, AG IS WHAT DECREASES. AND THEN INDUSTRIAL TO ME IS COMMERCIAL. SO WE KIND OF PUT THOSE TOGETHER. INDUSTRIAL. COMMERCIAL IS THE SAME GROUP. SO TRADITIONALLY YOU'VE KIND OF COME TO THIS THROUGH SOME OF THE PERMITTING. WHAT CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE YOUR PROCESS TO GET TO THE VALUATION, OR DID YOU KNOW THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO USE PERMITTING TO VALUE.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO. WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T HAD A GREAT COMMUNICATION OF DATA BETWEEN COUNTY AND CITY. AND SO WE'RE STARTING TO GET THE DATA THAT WE CAN THEN ANALYZE AGAINST

[00:30:04]

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE IMPACT FEE PERMIT SIDE AS WELL. SO ON THIS ON THIS GRAPH OR THIS CHART, IT GOES STARTING TO ENDING. SO YOU HAD YOU WOULD HAVE LAST YEAR PLUS PLUS ADDITIONS PLUS MINUS ATTRACTION EQUALS ANY GENERIC MATH PROBLEM. SO YOU DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T MAKE ANY. WHAT WE CAN SUBSTANTIATE IS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ANNEXATIONS. YEAH. SO YOU'RE JUST ADDING THAT TO WHAT LAST YEAR WAS CORRECT? OKAY. SO THAT GIVES ME AN IDEA. AND THEN WE TIE THIS. WE TRY TO TIE THIS NUMBER OUT WITH WHAT THE COUNTY GIVES US. SO THE PLUG TO THAT IS THE VALUATION ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE IT TELLS US WHO IT AFFECTS. SO IF I GET THE QUESTION THAT I GET ALMOST EVERYWHERE I GO, OH, ALL THOSE NEW APARTMENTS, LOOK AT ALL THAT NEW TAX BASE. DO WE KNOW THAT NUMBER FROM LAST YEAR WEIGHED LIKE, ARE YOU. THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT 177 IS 177 MILLION IS NEW TAX BASE FROM THE PERMITS ESSENTIALLY FROM NEW PROPERTIES. BUT THAT WAS FOR 2024 NOT AN ESTIMATE FOR 20 2024. IT'S WE CALL IT AN ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE. THEY GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND HAVE A CASE ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND JUST A NOTE, WHEN MARK SAYS THEY WERE MEETING THE COUNTY. SO THE COUNTY ACTUALLY IS THE ONE THAT CALCULATES THE NEW CONSTRUCTION RATES. BUT AT THIS POINT EVERYTHING IS AN ESTIMATE. WE'LL GET SOLIDIFIED HARD NUMBERS AND THOSE. OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S OUR ABILITY TO LEVY. SO THE WAY IT'S CALCULATED IS YOU TAKE LAST YEAR'S YOU TAKE THE HIGHEST OF THE LAST THREE YEARS.

I ALWAYS SAY LAST YEAR BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS THE HIGHEST YEAR PLUS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION. WE PUT THOSE TOGETHER THAT GIVES YOU YOUR YOUR BASE TO LEVY AGAINST. THEN YOU TAKE THAT AND YOU TIMES IT BY 8%. THAT IS YOUR MAXIMUM. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 OUR MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE INCREASE IS 3.8 MILLION. WITH OUR TOTAL MAXIMUM AMOUNT TO ALLOW TO LEVY 51.5 MILLION.

THAT'S THE MAX BY STATE LAW. THE ONLY WAY TO GET AROUND THAT I SHOULD SAY GET AROUND. THE ONLY WAY TO ADJUST IT WOULD BE BY A VOTE OF APPROVAL, BY EITHER A PERMANENT OVERRIDE OR A TEMPORARY OVERRIDE. BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT VOTING RULES, BUT THAT'S YOUR TWO OPTIONS. AS OF RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE MASK. YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THOUGH. JUST AS A GENERAL THING. YOU HAVE TO RUN THAT AS A VOTE. CAN YOU JUST RUN THAT GENERALLY TO SAY YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES OR CAN YOU OR DO YOU HAVE TO SAY, I'M BUILDING THIS BUILDING, I WANT THAT LEVY. EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN RULES. SO YOU CAN DO YOU CAN. YEAH. BUT TYPICALLY NOT TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL. IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING. YEAH I DON'T I DON'T EVER HEARD OF A TEMPORARY OVERRIDE OR PERMANENT OVERRIDE THAT SAYS WE JUST WANT MORE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THE BROAD GENERAL. ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR MAXIMAL POSSIBLE LEVY AMOUNT? HOW DOES THE 3%. SO THIS IS THE 8% MAXIMUM INCREASE TO LEVY 3% IS HOW MUCH WE CAN RAISE THE TAX. IS THAT WHAT IS THAT A SECOND. THIS IS JUST THE MAX.

YOU CAN'T GO HIGHER THAN THIS. THERE'S NO SCENARIO THAT ALLOWS US TO GO HIGHER THAN THIS, INCLUDING INCLUDING FOREGO, INCLUDING FOREGO. SO THE SLIDE BEFORE USED LAST YEAR'S NUMBER OR LAST. THE NUMBERS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY USE NUMBERS FOR THE BUDGET YEAR THAT WE'RE IN AND THOSE YOU PICK THOSE BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST WE HAVE AS AN INDICATOR FOR THIS YEAR. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EVALUATION THAT STARTS. THAT'S WHERE THEY START FROM.

THEY START FROM LAST YEAR'S EVALUATION. AND THEY EITHER SUBTRACT OR ADD BASED ON VALUATION FOR THE CURRENT YEAR OKAY. SO WE DID THEN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE TO GET US TO UNDERSTANDING THEN THE BASIS FOR THIS SLIDE. THAT'S CORRECT. THESE SLIDES WILL BUILD ON EACH OTHER OKAY. AND THEN OKAY I'LL KEEP GOING. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S OUR VALUATION WHAT'S OUR MAXIMUM AMOUNT TO LEVY. BECAUSE THOSE TWO TOGETHER COMES UP WITH YOUR LEVY RATE. SO

[00:35:08]

THAT GETS US TO THE THEORETICAL LEVY RATE, WHICH THEN WE MULTIPLY IT BY 90% OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE. THAT THAT HOSPITAL. 389. SO IT'S 90% OF THAT TIMES THAT OF WHAT CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS NUMBER IS 90% OF THESE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE. THESE TWO. AND MARK, YOU'RE SURE WHEN THEY GAVE IT TO YOU THAT THEY DIDN'T ALREADY GIVE IT TO YOU AT 90%. YES. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT ON THE FORM OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. AND SHOULD WE ASSUME THAT YOU'RE USING 2024. BUT ACTUALLY WHEN WE WHEN THESE DOLLARS COME IN, WE'LL BE USING 2025 AS AN OPTION. IT HAS TO BE ALWAYS STARTS WITH 24 MEANING TWO YEARS BEFORE ONE YEAR BEFORE 24 IS THE TAX YEAR, NOT THE FISCAL YEAR. SO THIS IS 2425. YES. OKAY. BUT FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR, 24 IS THE PROPERTY OKAY. YEAH. 25 IS OVER. YEAH. ISN'T THIS FUN. IT IS. YEAH OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THESE CALCULATIONS. SO WE'RE WE'RE ESTIMATING BASED ON PRELIMINARY DATA THAT IT WILL BE 908,000 OF NEW CONSTRUCTION ANNEXATION. WE TYPICALLY BUDGET ABOUT 650. SO THERE WILL BE A VARIANCE THAT WE'LL GET TO HERE IN JUST A SECOND. THE THIRD CATEGORY ON HERE IS FOREGONE. WE HAVE POPULATED 1% FOREGONE FOREGONE 1% IS CALCULATED ALSO ON A THEORETICAL BASIS. YOU WOULD ADD IN LAST YEAR'S PROPERTY TAX PLUS THIS YEAR'S 3% PLUS GROWTH, THEN YOU TIMES THAT BY 3% TO GET TO THIS NUMBER AND IS 1% IN PERPETUITY. DO WE GET TO THIS IS IN PERPETUITY. SO THIS GETS US TO 2.8 MILLION, WHICH IS OUR PROPOSED BUDGET RIGHT NOW ON INCREASE ON TAXES, TAKING GROWTH, ANNEXATION 3%, STATUTORY ALLOWABLE 1% FOREGONE. WHAT'S THE 3%? SO 3% IS AN OPTION THAT YOU COULD TAKE FOR CAPITAL ONLY, AND IT'S ONLY FOR THE YEAR THAT IT'S BEING PURCHASED. I DID ASK IF I HAVE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT AND IT GOES THREE YEARS. DO I GET 3% EACH YEAR? THEY SAID, ASK YOUR LAWYER. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO TEST. YEAH. AND THEY FOLLOWED IT UP. LIKE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT GO TO COURT. SO WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER. YEAH. AND DO DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT IN THAT BUILDING OF A FIRE STATION OR POLICE STATION OR AQUATICS OR WHATEVER? BUT I MEAN THIS IN THIS BUDGET WE DO NOT KNOW. I WOULD PERSONALLY SAY THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE FOREGONE IN THIS MANNER, WHERE IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE BASE, IS IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY ONE TIME SPENDING DEAL

[00:40:05]

SO WE'RE PROPOSING 50.5 TAX REVENUE TO BE LEVIED. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. AND WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK TO YOUR TRACK RECORD? I THINK YOU'VE BEEN PRETTY CLOSE OVER THE YEARS. WELL, IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S I'VE BEEN CLOSE. WE HAVE THE DATA TO, TO GIVE GOOD DECISIONS. SO HERE IS THE, THE ONE OF THE ITEMS IN QUESTION. HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, WE HAVE THE FINANCE HAS GIVEN YOU A RECOMMENDATION OF ALLOCATION OF PROPERTY TAXES THIS YEAR. NOT SO MUCH. JUST THAT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MORE BALANCED PART TO DEAL WITH ISSUES AT HAND ON THE GENERAL FUND? THAT BEING SAID, I LEFT OUT HERE. IT DOESN'T SHOW UP VERY WELL. UNASSIGNED RIGHT NOW.

UNASSIGNED. TO 200 AND 43 245,000. AND YOU GET NEW GLASSES. OKAY. SO THERE IS SOME THINGS ON HERE I WANT TO SHOW ON THE NUANCES ON VALUATION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. HERE IS OUR LEVY THEORETICAL LEVY RATE. YOU'LL SEE HERE IT'S GOING DOWN WHICH IS A -1%. BUT OUR VALUATIONS GOING UP. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN VALUATION. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY THOSE WOULD BOTH GO UP IS IF OUR, OUR OUR LEVY RATE OR THE AMOUNT THAT WE WANT TO LEVY IS GREATER THAN THE INCREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUE. AND THERE WILL BE A CHART LATER THAT WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW SOME OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THAT HAS HAPPENED. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ESTIMATED MARKET VALUE. WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED LEVY RATE, WHICH IS A DECREASING RATE. I WOULD ARGUE THAT IF YOU THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. YES. BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU'RE TAKING LESS OF EACH PERSON'S DOLLAR OF VALUE OF THEIR HOME OR THEIR HOME. A DECREASING LEVY RATE MEANS YOU'RE COMMUNITY IS GROWING AND MOVING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION. WHICH MEANS THAT YOUR VALUATION IS GROWING GREATER THAN YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE TAXES. YOU HAVE A 0.0058 HERE, BUT YOU ARE

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THAT'S ONLY FOR THE CALCULATION, NOT FOR OVERALL LEVY. SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LEVY BEFORE FOR THE FIRE STATION BUILDING. YES. THAT'S BEEN THERE EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST. EIGHT YEARS. OLD FIRE STATION 7 OR 8. THAT SHOWS UP. YEP. TECHNICALLY IT'S PART OF THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE CAN'T LEVY FOR MULTIPLE CAPITAL FUNDS, BUT WE SIT HERE SEPARATELY. SO WHEN I SEE THE STATE ALLOWABLE LEVIES, IT'S WRAPPED INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S CORRECT. NOT SEPARATED OUT OR THE CAPITAL GROUP FUND BEING WHERE IT WAS THAT YEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS JUST FOR OUR INTERNAL PURPOSES. ON THE REPAYMENT OF WHAT WE SAID WE DO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST THE STREET FUND IS. YEAH. SO THE SEAFRONT THE STREET FUND IS FUND DECREASES. THERE IS MOST OF THAT IS A SWAP AND EXPENSE EXPENDITURES. I THINK BROOKS WILL TALK ABOUT HERE SHORTLY.

THERE IS SOME OVERALL DECREASE, BUT IT'S MINIMIZED BY OUTGOING EXPENSES. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO WE DIDN'T TAKE A SLIDE OUT ACCIDENTALLY. THAT'S THE MAGIC OF DOING THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE JUST FOR A SECOND AND ASK WHAT UNASSIGNED THINGS UNASSIGNED MEANS. THE COUNCIL HASN'T DIRECTED US WHERE IT GOES IN THE PAST WE'VE MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT THIS YEAR WE ARE NOT. HOW COME IT ISN'T JUST BY DEFAULT IF IT'S NOT IN GENERAL OR THE STREETS? RECREATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIBRARY, THEN IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO WE ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED THAT GROWTH AND ANNEXATION TO BE 662,000. WE JUST GOT THE UPDATED NUMBERS. SO THAT EXCESS IS THAT 245,000. SO WE JUST DIDN'T PUT IT ANYWHERE YET. SO THAT'S MONEY THAT COULD BE SPENT ONGOING BECAUSE THAT WILL GET INTO BASE GOING FORWARD. YEAH. HISTORICALLY WE COULD PUT IT IN THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION WITHOUT COUNCIL DIRECTION BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY REDUCED THE STREET FUND AND TAKEN FOREGONE AND LIBRARY AND WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LIBRARY YET. YES. SO THIS IS LITERALLY YESTERDAY'S UPDATED ESTIMATE. WE DIDN'T PLUG THAT INTO THE BUDGET. AND WHEN YOU SAY WE JUST GOT THOSE NUMBERS AND YESTERDAY'S UPDATED ESTIMATE, THAT'S AN INTERNAL ESTIMATION PROCESS BECAUSE THE COUNTY WON'T BE GIVING US NUMBERS FOR TWO MONDAYS. THAT'S CORRECT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEED ONE. SO QUICK QUESTION. SORRY. YEAH. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 60,000 MORE IN THE LIBRARY, THAT WOULD BE ON THE LIBRARY LEVY. SO COUNT AGAINST OUR TOTAL. BUT IT WOULD BE BUDGETED THAT WAY. THE LIBRARY FUND NOT OUR GENERAL FUND. SO IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE THAT UNASSIGNED, IT WAS 60 TO THE LIBRARY AND 120 TO THE STREETS AND 35 DIRECT. YOU COULD DO THAT. YES. OKAY. THOSE ARE THE LINES THAT WOULD GO TO. WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION. SO I CAN DO THAT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DECISION. SO I WONDER IF COUNCIL WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST RIGHT NOW JUST SAY 60 TO THE LIBRARY AND THE BALANCE THE STREETS. NO YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT RIGHT NOW. NO. OKAY THEN HOLD OUT THAT 245 AS A NUMBER, THEN A NEW NUMBER THAT WE HAD. I BELIEVE BROOKS HAS ADDED THAT TO HER LIST OF NUMBERS. YEP. SO I THINK NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME. JUST TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO THE NUMBERS THAT MARK JUST WENT OVER WITH YOU, THOSE ARE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES. NOW I'VE ALWAYS SAID WE TRY TO HAVE ONE PERSON CALCULATE THE PROPERTY TAXES. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS YOU CALCULATED THE SAME EVERY SINGLE TIME. AND WITH MARK CALCULATING THOSE PROPERTY TAXES EVERY YEAR, I FELT THAT IT WAS BEST BECAUSE OF WHERE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR JUST TO GO AHEAD AND KEEP THAT CONTINUITY TOGETHER. SO WE DID LIKE I SAID, WE DID BRING THEM OUT OF THE ERP SHORTLY TO DO THIS PRESENTATION FOR US. BUT HE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE DATA. HE DOES A LOT OF RESEARCH, NOT ONLY PRELIMINARY NUMBERS THAT HE GETS FROM THE COUNTY AND HIS RELATIONSHIP THAT HE HAS WITH THE STAFF OVER THERE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AND TALKING WITH DIRECTOR SANNER AND JUST SOME OTHER AREAS THAT HE LOOKS AT. SO IT IT REALLY IS TRULY A BENEFIT FOR US TO HAVE ONE PERSON CALCULATE IT. CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION MARK? JUST KEEP ME FEELING LIKE I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS HERE. IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN I CAME ON COUNCIL MAYOR, WHEN YOU STARTED, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS LEVY

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AM I THINKING OF THAT RATE? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS TO MAKE SURE I'M. SO YOUR TAXES HAVE GONE UP. I MEAN THAT IS IT. BUT EVEN THOUGH THE LEVY TAXES ARE FOR YOU, PARTICULARLY IF YOU WERE TO CREATE AN ISOLATED ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S NO NEW ADDITIONS AND THERE'S NO SUBTRACTIONS, ALL HE IS, THEY HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF HOUSES, AND EACH YEAR THOSE SAME NUMBER OF HOUSES GO UP IN VALUE. THE LEVY WOULD DROP DOWN, BUT THE AMOUNT OF TAXES PAID WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME. YEAH. BECAUSE OF THE THREE. DOES THE 3% LIMIT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT? IS WHAT I'M ALWAYS WONDERING. BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IF WE WERE, IF WE EVER GET FORCED UP AGAINST THE 8% OR THE 3%, THEN WE HAVE TO PUT WE HAVE TO LOWER THE LEVY. BUT THAT JUST HAPPENS BY MATHEMATICS ANYWAY, ETC. OKAY, BECAUSE ALL THOSE PERCENTAGES OF THREE, THEY ALL DEAL WITH DOLLARS. IT'S NOT LEVY RATES. THAT'S CORRECT. WE ONLY ISSUE $4. WE NEVER ISSUE A LEVY RATE. THE IF WE GET INTO OUR CITY'S ISSUE LEVY RATES, THAT'S CALLED SALES TAX AT THAT POINT. SO THE 8% MEANS JUST TO CLARIFY, JOHN, THAT IF YOU HIT IT, YOU STOP THERE AND ALL THAT VALUE ABOVE IT GETS, IT MEANS NOTHING TO YOUR ABILITY TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO YOUR COMMUNITY, WHICH HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PUSHED AND PUSHED AND PUSHED. WHEN I SAY WE, I MEAN, I SEE ADVOCACY EFFORTS BECAUSE ALL THAT DOES IS INCREASE THE LEVY RATE FOR EVERYBODY IN YOUR CITY. IT DOES NOT ALLOW GROWTH TO DRIVE THE LEVY RATE DOWN ALL OF THE GROWTH THAT YOU'VE HAD TO DRIVE THE LEVY RATE DOWN, YOU JUST YOU STOP AND YOU NO LONGER GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT. ANYTHING ABOVE 8%. AND THAT HAS DRIVEN EVERYBODY CRAZY BECAUSE IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE TO FOR THAT TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU FOR THEM TO HAVE CAPPED IT, WHEN YOU'VE GOT LEGISLATORS WHO ARE SAYING, WELL, WE JUST THINK PROPERTY TAXES ARE TOO HIGH, AND THEN THEY TURN AROUND AND DO SOMETHING THAT CAUSES US TO NOT GET THE BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY TAX. SO IT'S YEAH, I AGREE, AND I MAY HAVE MISSTATED THAT, BUT I THINK I DID. BUT BUT I GET MY MATH IS OFF. BUT BUT THE LOGIC JUST DOESN'T WORK IN TERMS OF NOT MY LOGIC FOR MY MATH, BUT FOR THE LEGISLATORS NOT LETTING CITIES BENEFIT FROM THEIR GROWTH. SORRY, I THINK I IF I MISS IF I JUST TIED A KNOT IN THE BREAK, HELP ME UNTIE IT.

YOU'RE FINE. AND I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSING PART IS THAT IT'S AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP, AS MARK MENTIONED EARLIER. SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO LOOK AT WHAT THE VALUATION AND THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY RATE HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND SO IN THE VALUATION, THE BASE EVALUATION IN 20 1314 WAS ONLY 2.9. AND NOW LOOK AT US AT 8.6. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S CLEARLY BEEN GROWTH THROUGH VALUATION. BUT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LEVY RATE, THE LEVY RATES HAVE GONE DOWN IN MOST CASES HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT GO GO DOWN HERE. SO WE ALSO HAVE A LITTLE GRAPHICAL LIKE SLIDES ARE ALL OUT OF ORDER. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAPHICAL PIECE OF EVALUATION. SO THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE GROWTH THERE. AND THEN ALSO ON THE LEVY YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINE. IT GOES DOWN. THERE'S BEEN SOME BLIPS IN HERE AND THERE. BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. AND SO YOU KNOW I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION LIES WHEN WITH PROPERTY TAXES. IF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT AS YOU GROW YOUR GROWING COMMUNITY, YOUR VALUATION GOES UP, BUT THEN YOUR LEVY RATE GOES DOWN. SO THAT INVERSE RELATIONSHIP THAT

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UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO LEVY LIMIT FOR STREETS, YOU JUST CAN'T ADD AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU WANT. I WISH THEY WOULD LET US DO THAT, BUT WE'RE STILL CAPPED AT 8% INCREASE. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING VOTE OF THE POPULACE IF THEY WOULD WANT MORE MONEY TO BUILD MORE ROADS TO RELIEVE PRESSURE, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING THING AND MAYBE A WAY TO PUSH THE LEGISLATURE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK. ANYWAY, THAT'S INTERESTING. SO I KNOW YOU'RE JUST A RESIDENT OF EDMOND AND NOT THEIR FINANCIAL PERSON, BUT AMMON DID A STREET OVERRIDE LEVY TWICE. TWICE. IT DOES NOT COME IN THEIR STREETS LEVY. OR IT DOES. LIKE WHY DID THEY HAVE WHY DID THEY HAVE TO RUN IT AS AN OVERRIDE AND GET THE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GO ABOVE THE 8%. OKAY. AND THEY WAS 50 PLUS ONE. AN OVERRIDE WAS A THREE YEAR. SO THEY JUST AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THINGS. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY THEY THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABOVE 30% CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU KNOW IF IT'S OKAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ALONG TO THE REVIEW AND DETERMINATION FUNDING STATUS. AS MARK MENTIONED EARLIER, BROOKS IS GOING TO GO OVER SOME OF THE BUDGET PIECES. A LOT OF THIS IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET BOOK. THERE'LL BE SOME ACTIVITY A LITTLE BIT LATER ON PRIORITY OF BUDGET REQUEST. BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT BROOKS HAS BEEN THE PERSON THAT KNOWS WHERE EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR IS. AND SO I'M GOING TO LET HER SHOW YOU THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE NEXT ITEM. THANK. OKAY, SO THIS IS JUST A. REVIEW AGAIN OF THOSE ITEMS THAT PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN FUNDED IN OUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS THAT THIS YEAR WE ARE TRANSITIONING TO BE PAID DIRECTLY BY OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS. SO THE DETAILS OF THOSE ARE STREET SWEEPING HAS BEEN MOVED OUT OF STREETS AND INTO SANITATION. THAT WAS ABOUT 800,000. THE FUNCTION OF STREET LIGHTS AND TRAFFIC SIGNAL UTILITIES MOVED OUT OF STREETS AND MOVED INTO THE POWER TRAFFIC DIVISION. THAT'S ABOUT 465,000. ALSO, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT RELATED TO STREET SIGNALS MOVED TO THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL DIVISION OF POWER. THEN PARKS MAINTENANCE OF THOSE RIVER CORRIDOR PARKS, THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE PATHWAYS AND PARKS WILL BE PAID DIRECTLY BY POWER. THAT'S ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 1.3 MILLION. THEN THE STORM POND AND LIFT STATIONS IN THE PREVIOUSLY BEEN PAID BY OUR PARKS MAINTENANCE TEAM IS BEING TRANSITIONED TO BE PAID DIRECTLY BY OUR WASTEWATER. SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TRANSITIONED OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, AND HAVING THEM BE PAID DIRECTLY BY OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS. DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER FOR THAT STORM POND? YES. SORRY, 98,000. OKAY. SO THAT NUMBER, TOTAL QUESTION. IN JUST A SECOND. 2.6. 2.6 MILLION. OKAY. NOW STANDS. ALTOGETHER. THAT'S ABOUT 3.1 MILLION 3.1.

THAT'S THE TOTAL OF EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED HERE. DID I GET IT RIGHT THAT THE PARKS MAINTENANCE TO POWER THE RIVER CORRIDOR WAS 1.3, 1.35? OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE ITEMS?

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SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID THAT THE VALUE OF ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ADDS UP TO 3.1. YEAH.

AND WHEN I WROTE THINGS DOWN AND WE GOT TO 2.6, I THINK WHAT I MISSED IS MAYBE STREET LIGHT WAS 4.65, BUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WAS ANOTHER NUMBER, ANOTHER 430. OKAY. THAT MAY BE THAT. THANK YOU. WHAT. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. SO SORRY. THE ADDITIONAL NUMBER FOR. FROM I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALLED IT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OR THE BACK HISTORY.

SORRY. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED ABOUT WHAT THAT PLAN IS FOR. THAT'LL BE ITS OWN CAPITAL PLAN OF THOSE PARKS, PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN COORDINATION WITH THE I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PARKS POLICY FOR THAT. FIRSTLY, THE POWER POLICY FOR THE RECREATION PLAN OF WHAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THEY WERE PLANNING. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE HAVING TWO SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT THERE. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NOT THE REC PLAN, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE. THE REC PLAN.

THAT GOES BACK ALMOST 40 YEARS IN BACK MAINTENANCE COSTS. YES, THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE AMOUNTS AVAILABLE FOR THE DEPARTMENT REQUEST. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 675,000 AVAILABLE OF THE FUNDING. THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE AT THIS TIME FOR THIS YEAR'S PAYMENT BACK FROM POWER. OKAY. YOU'RE YOU'RE USING A DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN MY BRAIN WAS. SO I WAS UP WHAT I THINK WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE. SO YOU'RE DOING IT IN DIFFERENT CHUNKS. AND SO I THINK I'LL JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER WE GET DONE WITH FEES AND THEN SEE IF I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS. I'M A LITTLE AHEAD ON THAT ONE. BUT BACK TO THAT 675. WE'RE SAYING IT CAN BE SPENT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPENT FOR PARKS. CORRECT? GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT FUNDED PARKS FOR THAT IN THE PAST. YES. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AROUND THOSE TRANSITIONS OF FUNDING BEFORE MOVING TO THE FEE CHANGES? OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD ON THE DIFFERENT PROPOSED FEE CHANGES FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS. IN OUR AIRPORT. WE HAVE A PROPOSED INCREASE TO OUR CUSTOMER FACILITY CHARGE. THAT IS THE FEE CHARGE. WHEN YOU RENT A CAR AT THE AIRPORT. CHANGING THAT FROM $4 TO $6. AND THEN IF YOU PROPOSE NEW FEES RELATED TO BADGING, PARKING AND CONTAINER COSTS. SO THEN OUR PARKS, WHERE ARE WE? WHERE DO WE SEE THE P? LIKE I WAS THINKING, WE COULD SEE LIKE, OH SORRY, YOU HAVE A HANDOUT. THE HANDOUT IT'S IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. YOU FIND THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS. THANK YOU. RECEPTION. ANYTHING YELLOW IS A CHANGE OR A NEW FEE ON THE. PROJECT. IN. YOU CAN BE

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OKAY. BUT IF WE WERE TO NOT APPROVE SOME OF THOSE ONE TIME REQUESTS THROUGH THE ONE TIME MONEY OR THE GENERAL FUND, THE DIRECTOR COULD COME BACK IF THEY WANT AND SAY, THIS IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT PROJECT TO ME. AND IT'S WE'RE FEE BASED AND WE'RE BUSY OR WHATEVER. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO WE WANT TO AND THEN YOU'LL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL. BUT AS WE SEE THAT OKAY. YEAH. IT'S A FEE THAT'S NOT APPROVED NOW OR A CAPITAL REQUEST. THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S LIKE THAT. THEY THEY GET A CHANCE TO CLOSE THAT LOOP THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING NO TO SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE A FEE BASED DEPARTMENT, THAT THEN THEY DON'T GET THE CHANCE TO MAKE THAT UP A DIFFERENT WAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE CAN HAVE ALL THE FEES ESTABLISHED FOR THE BUDGET. THAT'S IDEAL. BUT WE DO HAVE THINGS THAT HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME. AND SO IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE'VE DONE OUR HEARING IN AUGUST FOR OUR OCTOBER 1ST BUDGET. AND THEN THERE HAS BEEN INSTANCES WHERE WE'VE COME BACK IN LIKE THE FALL, LATE FALL, EARLY WINTER WITH SOME ADDITIONAL FEES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED, IF YOU WILL, IN THE PROCESS OF, OF THE OCTOBER 1ST. SO WE DO HAVE WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. OKAY. YEAH. I WAS JUST MORE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE ONE TIME REQUEST, THINKING SOME OF THOSE, IF THEY DON'T GET FUNDED, THEY MIGHT WANT TO COME BACK IN IN THE FORM OF A FEE. SO ZOO WOULD BE ONE PART. NO, PARKS WOULD BE ONE. THERE WOULD JUST BE SOME SOME AVAILABILITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THE SEWER DOESN'T GET FUNDED OR WHATEVER, THAT MAYBE

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RIGHT. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION FOR PJ. AM I READING THIS RIGHT? SENIORS? THERE WOULD BE NO CHARGE FOR SENIORS 62 AND OLDER UNLESS THEY'RE A NONRESIDENT. OR IS THERE A FEE? NOT. WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I'M LOOKING AT PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, TUFTS PARK ZOO. LET ME SEE. WE'VE ONLY INCLUDED THE CHANGES. YEAH, THESE ARE ALL THE OTHERS ARE STILL THERE. THEY JUST ARE NOT PRESENTED HERE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CHANGE. OKAY, SO WHAT DOES A SENIOR PAY A SENIOR IS THE. RESIDENT. RESIDENT THE JUNIOR RATE. OKAY, CHAUDHARY OKAY. SENIOR 62. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF FEES THAT DON'T SHOW UP HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CHANGING, BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE FEE RESOLUTION.

RIGHT OKAY OKAY. YEAH. THIS THIS HANDOUT IS ONLY NINE PAGES LONG. THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION IS ABOUT 45. SO WE'RE ONLY SHOWING THE ONES THAT ARE CHANGING HERE. OKAY. MAYOR. YEAH I JUST GOT WORD FROM OUR VIDEO TEAM THAT THEY'RE HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME PICKING UP SOUND TODAY. SO IF YOU'RE SOFT SPOKEN. PLEASE SPEAK UP. IF YOU SPEAK LIKE PJ, PROBABLY GOOD WITHOUT A MIC, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN VIEWERS THAT ARE SAYING IT'S ACTUALLY THE DIRECTOR AT SWAGGERT WHO'S TRYING TO MOVE THE MEETING, THE VIDEO AROUND AND HE CAN'T TELL WHERE TO MOVE IT. SO WE JUST NEED TO SPEAK UP. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS HANDOUT ONLY INCLUDES CHANGES, BUT THERE ARE A LOT HERE THAT SHOW A 0% FROM CONFUSED WHEN THERE'S THE EXACT SAME FEE FOR THE JANUARY 1ST DATE AND THE OCTOBER 1ST DATE. SO THERE. YES, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF ITEMS FROM PUBLIC WORKS, BELIEFS AND ZOO THAT WERE TAKEN IN APRIL AND JANUARY FOR CHANGES THAT WERE APPROVED THAT NEVER GOT THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION ADOPTED. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTED IN THE CHANGES THAT GET ADOPTED AS A RESOLUTION. SO THOSE HAVE ALREADY COME TO COUNCIL. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN NOTICED, BUT THEY WERE NOT IN THE RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, FROM THE POINT OF STATE STATUTE, AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO MY MEMORY HERE SO I MAY NEED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CONFIRMATION. BUT ANY WHAT WAS REQUIRED AS OUR BUDGET PROCESS,

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ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON PARKS AND RECREATIONS CHANGES, INCLUDING GOLF? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC WORKS. SO WATER IS PROPOSING A 3% INCREASE TO OUR SERVICE CONNECTION FEES AND THEN 5% TO THE MONTHLY FEES. SANITATION IS ALSO A 5% INCREASE TO THE MONTHLY FEES. WASTEWATER IS A 5% INCREASE TO THE SEWER MAIN CONNECTIONS, NOT TO THE REGULAR MONTHLY FEES. AND THEN WE HAVE A NEW FEE FOR TRANSIT THAT IS AN EXPEDITED SERVICE CHARGE OF $25. THAT SHOULD BE UP TO UP TO 25. YES. ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR PUBLIC WORKS. AND THESE ARE INCORPORATED INTO OUR ESTIMATED BUDGET. OKAY. POWER AND FIBER RATES HAVE A LOT OF VARIOUS CHANGES. YOU SEE THE POWER SECTION SECTION FOR. THE RATES RANGE IS 2 TO 10% FOR THE VARIOUS BASE AND DEMAND AND SERVICE CHARGES. THE STRUCTURE FOR POWER HAS LOTS OF PIECES TO IT, SO THERE'S MONTHLY BASE FEES AS WELL AS THE CONSUMPTION CHARGES. AND THEN FIBER SIMILARLY IS 3 TO 9% ON THEIR VARIOUS MONTHLY CHARGES. ANY QUESTIONS ON POWER AND FIBER? YEAH. THE ONE GIGABYTE RESIDENTIAL FIBER DROPS. YES, THEY DROPPED THAT ONE DOWN, BUT ADDED THE NEW FIVE GIGABYTE.

OKAY. OKAY. ALSO OUR EMS RATES ARE INCREASING 5%. AND I TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THE COST OF PROVIDING THE SERVICES. AND THEN IN CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, WE'VE ACTUALLY REMOVED A FEE FOR THE DAYCARE. LICENSING HAS HAD A STATE CHANGE. SO WE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO COLLECT THAT FEE. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER VARIOUS DELETIONS, CLEANUPS AND DESCRIPTION CHANGES. THINGS LIKE THE CLEAVE LEWIS COURSE IS NO LONGER CALLED THE BLUE COURSE SINCE HE IS RETIRED. SO UPDATES TO TITLES TO CERTAIN FEES. HOW MUCH OF A HIT IS THAT NOT GETTING THE LICENSING FEES FOR DAYCARES? YEAH, 40,000 I BELIEVE IT'S 40 TO 60,000, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T HAVE TO WORK. YEAH WE DON'T. YEAH RIGHT. AND THE ITEMS THAT ARE ALL CROSSED OUT ARE THOSE JUST WE'RE NOT OFFERING THOSE ANYMORE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP OUR, OUR CURRENT FEES. SO IN THE PAST, EVERY TIME WE STARTED A NEW PROGRAM, WE HAD A NEW FEE PUT IN. WE'RE TRYING TO GENERALIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND HAVE MORE OF LIKE A BASKETBALL PROGRAM WITH A MAXIMUM PRICE THAT WE CAN WORK WITHIN, AND NOT HAVING EVERY INDIVIDUAL CLASS AND EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK CALLED OUT SEPARATELY. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP OUR LIST. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS DAUNTING. OKAY.

LET'S SEE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE FEE CHANGES. I'M NOT SEEING ANY. ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS OR DO WE NEED A BREAK OR NO? THE PROCESS OR THE DEPARTMENT REQUEST PROCESS INVOLVES GOING THROUGH AND SAYING YES OR NO, YES OR NO. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE CAN YOU BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THAT, HAVE YOU BUILT A SPREADSHEET AND THAT SPREADSHEET. HAS A BALANCE ON IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LARGE THAT BALANCE CAN GO. I, I'M VERY CONFUSED RIGHT NOW AS TO WHAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE. AND THERE ARE SOME PIECES THAT MAY MOVE.

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FIND OTHER REVENUE SOURCES OR SHIFT THINGS AROUND. AND SO I FEEL LIKE THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE ONE TIMES, SO THAT WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS. WE'RE PLANNING TO GO OVER WHAT THOSE FUNDING SOURCES AVAILABLE ARE BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE REQUEST. LET'S DO THAT AND THEN TAKE A BREAK, OKAY, LET ME HOOK UP HERE. OR WOULD YOU RATHER TAKE A BREAK NOW? IS IT MORE CONVENIENT BECAUSE OF THE HOOKUP? OKAY. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK AND W ALL RIGHT. THE BREAK TOOK A LITTLE LONGER BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS. YEAH. AND SO THAT SOMEBODY WAS ME. SO APOLOGIES. WE ARE SET UP NOW TO HAVE TO POINT OUT SOME ADDITIONAL. THINGS ABOUT WHAT DOLLARS STILL NEED TO BE AVAILABLE TO A LOT OR TO ALLOCATE TOWARD VARIOUS TASKS. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE MORE ASSETS THAN WE HAVE DOLLARS. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ASK. I WOULD ASK YOU TO BE SURE TO ASK PLENTY OF QUESTIONS SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND. BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH OUR OUR GOING THROUGH DOWN THE LIST CONVERSATION AND ALSO PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO WHAT DOLLARS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO SPEND THAT ARE ONGOING AND WHAT DOLLARS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO SPEND THAT ARE ONE TIME. AND AS DWAYNE HAS COME FROM THE DOWN FROM THE DAIS, DARREN. AND.

ASSISTANT CHIEF, YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME JOIN US. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY COMFY IN THE CUSHY CHAIRS UP THERE. SO WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE. MAYOR, CAN I JUST SAY I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SNEAK OUT? SHE'S GOING TO HELP ME SO THAT I CAN STAY AND TALK AND BE ON TEAMS. SO THE DISCUSSION. BUT I HAVE TO BE IN VICTOR AT A CERTAIN TIME. SO I'M JUST GOING TO BE ON THE ROAD, BUT I'LL BE INVOLVED STILL. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO TEACHING A FEW MORE THINGS? OKAY. CAN I HAVE A. I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE HEADED HERE, BUT THE ONE PART THAT KEEPS COMING UP TO ME IS THAT THIS. WE RECEIVED THIS CUT. LIKE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE THE CUTS WERE MADE.

AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS AS INSTEAD OF JUST MOVING ON TO LIKE, THE NEW AND THE UNSPENT THINGS. THERE ARE SOME, SOME WAYS THAT WE GOT TO THE SHORTAGE OF THE 2.6 MILLION. SO WE COVERED THE DIFFERENCE OF 3.1 MILLION THROUGH AND THROUGH ENTERPRISE, BUT WE STILL HAD 2.6 THAT I FEEL LIKE. ARE NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN, IN PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY COST THAT IF WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THEM IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, THEY'RE GOING TO REALLY HIT US HARD IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AND I JUST THINK I'D LIKE A CHANCE TO TALK TO SOME OF THE DIRECTORS ABOUT SOME OF THOSE CUTS, PARTICULARLY FIRE.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT FOR A WHILE NOW, AND I HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THOSE CUTS CAME FROM. SO THAT'S JUST, I THINK PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS WELL, THAT THERE WERE 2.6 MILLION MADE IN WE KNOW IT. SOME CAME FROM STREETS AND FIRE WERE, YOU KNOW, TOOK PARTICULARLY BIG HITS. WE KNOW LIBRARY DIDN'T GET THE 3%. AND SO I LIKE THE CHANCE TO ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF ALL OF THE IF EVERYTHING DOESN'T ALIGN EXACTLY THE WAY WE THINK, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EVEN BIGGER BUDGET PROBLEMS NEXT YEAR. OKAY.

SO WE WANTED TO GO OVER THOSE FUNDING SOURCES THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR WHETHER IT'S REPLENISHING THINGS THAT WERE CUT OR JUST THOSE NEW ASKS THAT ARE ONGOING. SO THE ONLY ONGOING FUNDING WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IS THAT CHANGE THAT MARK TALKED ABOUT IN OUR GROWTH AND ANNEXATION ESTIMATE, 662,000 WAS ALREADY ESTIMATED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, BUT OUR AMOUNT CAME IN HIGHER. AND SO WE HAVE AN EXTRA 245,000 OF ONGOING PROPERTY TAXES RELATED TO GROWTH AND ANNEXATION THAT WE ESTIMATE TO HAVE AVAILABLE SINCE THE ESTIMATE CAME IN AT ABOUT 908,000. SO THAT'S FUNDING THAT COULD GO TOWARDS THOSE ONGOING COSTS, WHETHER THAT'S REPLENISHING LIBRARY, RECREATION STREETS, REPLENISHING THOSE DEPARTMENTS WHO HAD TO CUT SOME

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NO THIS IS THIS COLUMN IS WHAT'S LEFT IF WE USE IT IN THIS COLUMN. CORRECT. SO ONCE AS WE IDENTIFY THINGS WE WANT TO USE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES FOR THIS WILL UPDATE. AND IT'LL SHOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE LEFT IN THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN. OKAY. AND WHAT WAS THE 96 IN THAT MIDDLE COLUMN.

THAT WAS JUST ONE THAT I MARKED SAYING, LET'S SAY WE FUND THIS FTE. JUST AN EXAMPLE. AN EXAMPLE. YEAH. OKAY. IT IT STRIKES ME THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US SOMEHOW TO ALMOST SEPARATE THESE INTO ONE TIME AND ONGOING JUST BECAUSE. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO TRACK THE ONGOING. BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR TOTAL. IT'S GOING TO MATTER. IT'S THE TOTAL OF EACH OF THOSE.

YEP. SO THIS IS THE ONLY ONE TIME SOURCE. AND THEN ON OUR REQUESTS I HAVE THEM IN AN ONGOING COLUMN VERSUS A CAPITAL COLUMN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S WHAT FRANCIS. YEAH I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT COP 1 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY RESTRICTED. WE CAN'T JUST SPEND IT ON ANYTHING. NO. SO THE FUNDING THAT'S IN A TRUST CAN ONLY GO TOWARDS OUR DEBT SERVICE. BUT IN OUR BUDGET, WE HAVE PLANNED TO MAKE A DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT. SO INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT, IT'LL COME OUT OF THAT TRUST. SO THE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET THAT'S GENERAL FUND MONIES COULD GO TO ANYTHING ELSE OKAY. SO YEAH WE CAN'T WE CAN SPEND THAT VALUE.

SO THE WAY I SHOULD LOOK AT THIS IS THERE'S $2.9 MILLION TO GET THROUGH. THAT LIST THAT YOU HAVE IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US. GO THROUGH THE LIST AND SEE WHERE WE END UP. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A HANDOUT. THAT IS THE LIMITED LIST OF JUST THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE UNFUNDED.

ON SATURDAY. YOU GOT A COPY OF THE FULL LIST OF ALL THE REQUESTS. JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE STILL AWARE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT EVERYONE'S PLANNING TO DO, WHETHER FUNDED OR NOT.

SOME UPDATES I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF IS WE MOVED SOME OF THOSE ITEMS LAST WEEK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT FROM GULF INTO THE GULF CIP FUND. SO THEY HAVE SOME CAPITAL FUNDS AVAILABLE THAT HAVE BEEN ACCUMULATED BEYOND THEIR REPAYMENT OF KIND OF IRRIGATION

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I THINK THAT'S A NUMBER THAT WOULD PUT THE STORAGE BUILDING OVER THE TOP FOR FIRE. IS THAT CORRECT? STILL, ARE WE CLOSE? BUT WE WANT 1% BECAUSE IT'S ONGOING IN PERPETUITY. WE SHOULD NEVER NOT TAKE THAT. AND WE'RE TAKING WE'RE TAKING WE'RE BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IN THAT NUMBER ONE TIME. OH YOU'RE ARE YOU OUT OF THE 3% FOR THE MOMENT I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT ON THE TABLE. SO THE 1 MILLION DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 1%. IT DOESN'T BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY BIG PRIORITY. THAT'S WHAT WE CAN TAKE UP TO DATE. OKAY, SO HERE'S THE OTHER WRINKLE IN THAT CONVERSATION THAT I KNOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING WE'LL TAKE THE 1% FOREGONE. I THINK I'VE BEEN THE PROBABLY THE ONE THE MOST OUTSPOKEN AGAINST FOREGONE. BUT I'M WILLING TO LEAVE IT IN THERE IF WE CAN USE. USE THE ONGOING MONEY FOR. THE CUTS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS ORIGINAL BUDGET. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN IN CONTINUING USING FOREGONE FOR CONTINUED EXPENSES LIKE I WOULD, I'D BE WILLING TO USE FOREGONE TO MAKE UP THE HOLES THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'VE ASKED PEOPLE TO CUT. BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO USE IT JUST TO CONTINUE COMPOUNDING THE PROBLEMS, WHICH WERE THE 1% OR THE 1%, THE OTHER THREE, JUST THE 506,000, SIX, 38. IT'S ACTUALLY LINE 15. THAT 1% FOREGONE. I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH. I WANT TO TAKE THAT. I KNOW, OKAY, I'M WILLING TO TAKE THAT. LIKE, I KNOW I'M ONLY ONE VOTE. I'M WILLING TO TAKE THAT. IF WE LOOK TO USING THE ONGOING MONEY OF THE $240,000 TO FILL IN THE HOLES THAT WE'VE ALREADY CREATED AND NOT USING IT TO GO FORWARD WITH NEW REQUESTS. SO HOW WOULD HOW WOULD YOU BE USING IT? I WOULD BE USING IT IN FIRE AND STREETS. FOR THE CUTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE TO THEIR ONGOING BUDGETS. AND MAY I JUST MAKE A CLARIFICATION POINT? SO ON THE 1% FOREGONE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY IN THE RESOLUTION SPECIFY WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR. SO AS AN ENTREE TO YOUR CONVERSATION THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION OF WHAT WE'RE USING THAT 1% FOR. OKAY. YEAH I'M NOT ARGUING WITH THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO HOLD THAT OTHER PLACE. THE OTHER OUT OF THE 3% 500,000 IN CASE IT

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SO DO YOU WANT COUNCIL MEMBERS? DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT THERE AT THE $1,000,405, OR DO YOU WANT TO REDUCE IT TO AN EVEN 500,000? I'D REDUCE IT TO 500,000. I WANT TO KEEP IT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE TO MEET THE NEED, BUT THAT'S FINE. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT. SO ONE TWO. THE ANY OTHERS I NEED TO A CONSENSUS OF FOUR OF YOU TO TELL BROOKS TO CHANGE IT. BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN IT AT ALL.

SO YEAH. $500,000 BECAUSE I MEAN. SURE LIKE 500 OR 0. ALL RIGHT. SO THE POLITICAL WILL IS TO DO THAT 500,000 BECAUSE THE AMOUNT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN INCREMENTS OF ONE, TWO AND 3%.

IT'S UP TO 3%. SO WE CAN TAKE ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT WE WANT NO MATTER WHAT PERCENTAGE. IT COULD BE A FRACTION. OR MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T SAY THE POLITICAL GOAL IS TO TAKE IT. THE POLITICAL WILL IS TO LEAVE IT UP THERE FOR NOW. WELL, THE POLITICAL WILL IS TO NOT IF WE TAKE IT NOT TO TAKE MORE THAN 500,000. YES. OKAY. OKAY. WITH WITH THE CLARITY THAT IT IS ONE AND DONE AND IT IS GONE, DOES NOT COME INTO THE TAX BASE. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHY THERE'S AN IF. OKAY. AND.

OKAY. OKAY. SO THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY LISA, IS THAT TO YOUR 245,000 NEEDS TO BE USED TO FILL HOLES. ONE COULD ARGUE THAT LIBRARY IS KIND OF A HOLE BECAUSE YES, THAT WOULD BE ONE AS WELL. LIBRARY STREET FIRE AND PARKS RECREATION. NO, MINE IS MORE OF THE I MEAN, IT WAS HELD FLAT AND BUT ANYWAY, WHEN WE GET INTO THE I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I JUST ONE VOTE SO OKAY. BUT THAT ALSO YOUR STIPULATION AND NOT THAT LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE ONLY ONE VOTE. BUT YOUR STIPULATION THEN MEANS THAT ANY ONGOING EXPENSES ON THIS LIST, I.E. PERSONNEL REQUESTS, ARE OFF THE TABLE. AND SO YOU'LL WANT TO MAYBE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT RELATIVE NEED, BECAUSE A NEEDED EMPLOYEE IN ONE DEPARTMENT VERSUS ONE THAT WAS CUT, THAT'S LESS NEEDED IN ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID. YOU HAVE TO BE MORE VALUABLE TO YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO I THINK THEN I'M DONE INTERRUPTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL WE'LL GO THROUGH THE REQUESTS. OUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALSO RANKED THOSE ITEMS IN THEIR REQUESTS BETWEEN THEIR DEPARTMENTS. SO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES FTE REQUEST FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE. THAT'S OUR FIRST ONE ON THE LIST. IT IS FULLY FUNDED BY OUR ENTERPRISE UTILITIES. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THE GO AHEAD OF YES TO INCLUDE IT BECAUSE IT'S FULLY FUNDED OR NOT. YES YES YES OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE. OKAY. THE SECOND ONE IS THE FTE OF A PLANNER IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE PERMIT PROCESS CONSULTING. IN TALKING WITH DIRECTOR SANDER, HE WOULD PREFER THE ONE TIME CONSULTING VERSUS OVER THE FTE PLANNER, ONE BEING ONE TIME AND THE PLANNER BEING AN ONGOING COST. JUST TALKING ABOUT FTES RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CONSULTANTS, WE'RE JUST GOING STRAIGHT DOWN, JUST GOING DOWN THE LIST. OH, OKAY. I'LL BE GROUPED TOGETHER. I'M PREPARED TO SAY WE DON'T DO EITHER OF THOSE RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE, WE WE'VE BEEN PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON ON THAT DEPARTMENT. IF WE DON'T FUND IT, THEN WE'D BETTER STOP TALKING. YEAH, I GUESS I'M ASKING THEM TO DO IT INTERNALLY. I. I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THAT. 65 ON THE CONSULTANT TO HELP THE DEPARTMENT MOVE FORWARD. THE PLACE WHERE I COME DOWN IS MORE WITH FRANCIS. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A PROCESS, LIKE A PROCESS THAT WE SAID, YOU KNOW, UPDATE THE WEBSITE, DO THIS, DO THAT. AND, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT NOW THIS FEELS LIKE WE'RE CHANGING MIDSTREAM. WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ASKED. OH, NO. THE CONSULTANT WAS PART OF THAT PLAN. OH TO GET A CONSULTANT WAS PART OF THE BIGGER PLAN FOR VARIOUS CHANGES IN THE

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REVIEW AND ANALYZE THE PROCESS. HELP TO SPEAK UP. YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO THE THINKING THERE IS WE DO HAVE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER BRADSHAW. WE HAVE THAT SPREADSHEET THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH. THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE WE'VE CAPSULATED WHAT YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL HAVE WANTED MOVING INTO THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S THE THINKING OF THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE'S MAYBE ERRORS THAT WE MISSED OR PROCESSES THAT CAN BE BETTER STREAMLINED AS WELL, BECAUSE WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT INTERNALLY. YES. BUT IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE VIEW ON THAT. THAT WAS THE THINKING OF THAT. THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS A THAT'S THE THAT'S THE HIGH END.

WHAT COULD YOU POTENTIALLY LIVE WITH WHEN CARRIE LOOKED CARRIE AND I LOOKED AT THIS, WE WERE THE RANGE WAS 45 TO 65. SO 65 WAS THE TOP CAPACITY. OKAY. SO THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO HOW ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS IN THE SENSE OF LIKE CDS HAPPENS TO BE AT THE FIRST OF THE ALPHABET OR, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER. AND SO WE'RE SAYING YES TO A NUMBER LIKE HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU THINK WE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE TOTAL YET. YEAH. I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU COULD DO IS SAY YES OR NO TO ITEMS AND WE CAN SEE WHAT OUR TOTAL IS AND HOW MUCH THE TOTAL. THEN THEY GO BACK AND GO BACK THROUGH IT AGAIN. THAT'S OKAY. BUT THIS FITS IN THE CATEGORY. THIS FITS IN THE CATEGORY OF ONE TIME MONEY, CORRECT. IT DOESN'T FIT IN THE ONGOING. CORRECT. OKAY.

SO THEN DO WE WANT TO REDUCE FROM 65 TO 45. LET'S SAY YES NOW AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT AWAY. YEAH. YES 65. YEAH. AND SO AS I UPDATE THIS WITH YES OR NO IT'LL TAKE IT OUT OF THIS TOTAL OKAY. AND THOSE NUMBERS WILL UPDATE ON THE BOTTOM. SO WE'LL HAVE AN OVERALL TOTAL WHEN WE ASK THE QUESTION. BECAUSE YOU, YOU PUT THAT AS A NUMBER TWO PRIORITY FOR THE PLANNER. RIGHT.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF MONITORING OUR REVIEWS. THE PLANNER GOING DOWN. YEAH WE'RE SEEING THAT A LOT OF THAT IS PLATEAUING OKAY. AND SO THE NEED IS NOT AS HEAVY AS WHEN IT'S NOT A BONE TO PICK.

LET ME ASK THIS. SAY NO TO THAT TO THAT'S OKAY. TO SAY NO TO THAT. YEAH THAT'S AND WE CAN AGREE TO THAT OKAY. HOW MUCH HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THEIR IMPACT THE ACTUAL FEES FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH. BECAUSE FOR YEARS WE WOULD SEE LIKE ANOTHER EXTRA $800,000. THAT WAS A BENEFIT OVER THE BUDGET OF THE FEES. WE WOULD MAKE MORE FEES THAN WE THOUGHT. AND SO FOR YEARS I WOULD TELL BRAD, WHY DON'T WE HIRE SOMEONE? LIKE, YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR LAST BUDGET MEETING, WHETHER THE FEES WOULD PAY FOR THAT. AND RIGHT NOW OUR FEES ARE PLATEAUING. SO WE'RE NOT EVEN SEEING THEM QUITE MEETING OUR BUDGET YET FOR THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S WHY I'M OKAY TO TURN THAT. SO CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT M, N AND O ARE THOSE COLUMNS ARE THEY'RE NOT ON THE HANDOUTS. AND SO I'M AT A LOSS RIGHT NOW AS I M IS JUST A FILTER. I'VE USED TO INCLUDE THE ONES THAT ARE UNFUNDED OR NOT. THIS COLUMN IS IT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. SO WHEN I PUT IT AS A YES, THAT BRINGS IT INTO THIS TOTAL COLUMN. IF I SAY NO, IT TAKES IT OUT. AND THEN THIS RANK IN THE DEPARTMENTS IS WHAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE TOLD ME, WHAT THEIR KIND OF PRIORITIES WITHIN EACH DIVISION ARE. OKAY. AND SO THAT OKAY, SO I STILL GET CONFUSED. THEN ONE MEANS THAT THAT WAS THEIR HIGHEST OUT OF ALL THEIR ASKS. CORRECT? FIVE MEANS THEY HAD MORE. THEY HAD AT LEAST FIVE ASKS CORRECT. AND IT WAS FIFTH, BUT THEY COULD HAVE HAD 12 ASKS SO IT COULD BE FIVE OUT OF 12. WE DON'T HAVE A BASIS, RIGHT? ALL OF THESE ARE WITHIN EACH SUBGROUPING. SO LIKE WITHIN POLICE THEY HAD THREE ASKS. IT'S ONE, TWO AND THREE.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR POLICE WE HAVE THE FTE OF A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER. IT'S EXPECTED TO BE 70% FUNDED BY THE SCHOOL IN THE FIRST YEAR. IT'S EXPECTED TO HAVE A KIND OF NET NEUTRAL IMPACT BECAUSE WE WOULD ASSIGN A MORE SENIOR OFFICER TO THE SCHOOL AND THEN HIRE ON A MORE ENTRY LEVEL OFFICER. SO THE FIRST YEAR IMPACT IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE MUCH, BUT I WANTED IT OUT HERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, ONGOING. IF WE HIRE AN OFFICER, 33,000 IS ABOUT THE IMPACT GOING FORWARD, PLUS INCREASES OVER TIME. AND THAT'S WITH OUR BENEFITS. CORRECT. AND I HAVE A QUESTION ON WHY ISN'T EL TORO SCHOOLING 100% LIKE SOME OF THE DISTRICT 91 SCHOOLS ARE? I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT. THIS IS WHAT

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YEAH, I'M I'M FINE WITH IT. I MEAN. I SEE WHERE WE GET. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE KEEP IT IN IF IT'S AT 100% FUNDED. YEAH. KEEP IT IN. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT JIM'S POINT IS REALLY GOOD. I THINK IN A WAY THIS ADDS AN OFFICER IN A YEAR WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ADD. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THE 33,000 IN THERE AND STILL GO AND NEGOTIATE. BUT WE NEED THE CAPACITY IN CASE THEY SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE SAY IT'S STILL IMPORTANT. IT'S THE ONLY ONGOING COST I HAVE ON THE LIST SO FAR. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT'S NOT FUNDED. RIGHT. SO IT'S A LEAVE IN AND THEN THE WEATHER IT CHANGES AFTER THIS WILL BE SECOND ROUND CONVERSATION. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION. IT SEEMS LIKE LAST WEEK THE CHIEF SAID WE WOULD BE PUTTING A MORE SENIOR OFFICER IN THERE. THEY COVER 70% OF THAT BACKFILL OF THE NEW OFFICER TO REPLACE THEM. THE WAGES ARE LOWER. WOULD THE 70% MIGHT COME CLOSE THIS YEAR? WOULD BE WOULD BE NOTHING, BUT IT WOULD BE THE NEXT YEAR. THAT'S THAT BUDGET NEUTRAL THIS YEAR. YEAH. BUDGET NEUTRAL THIS YEAR. CORRECT. SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP BRINGING UP LIKE BUT WE HAVE A VICTIMS ADVOCATE AND WE HAVE 133. SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS APPROVING ABOUT $150,000 IN 27. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A $6 MILLION OVER. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE SHOOTING RANGE. ABSOLUTELY. AND THIS WAS APPROVED AS A CONTINGENT ITEM LAST FISCAL YEAR. IF THOSE BOND CLOSEOUT MONIES CAME BACK. WHICH WE'RE EXPECTING TO CLOSE OUT. SO IT STILL HAS NOT CLOSED OUT THOUGH. CORRECT. SO WE COULD DO THE SAME THING CONTINGENT IF IT THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO GET APPROVAL ONCE TH.

OKAY. PLUS AT THAT POINT WE'LL KNOW THE IMPACT OF TAXES AND THOSE OTHER ISSUES. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT'S THERE. BUT THIS DOESN'T HIT THAT 1 MILLION ON THE COP UNRESTRICTED. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD PAY. IT WOULD PAY FOR THIS. OH THAT'S HOW THAT'S THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA BE. OKAY. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ONLY SPENDING 1,000,001 TIME, CORRECT? NO, THAT'S WHAT THIS. SO WHAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USED LAST YEAR ON THIS CONTINGENCY? SO LAST YEAR IT WAS. PUT IT INTO CONTINGENCY.

AND THEN WE WOULD DO A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT TO MOVE IT INTO SPENDING AUTHORITY. IF THE FUNDING BECAME AVAILABLE. AND MORE DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ON PLANS BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH LIKE A VENDOR. SO WE COULD WE COULD FEEL OUT THE BUDGET MID-YEAR AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT IT WOULD GO THERE, BUT THIS COULD BE THE PLACEHOLDER FOR IT. YEP. SO WE WOULD LOAD THAT BUDGET TO CONTINGENCY, NOT CAPITAL OUTLAY.

IT WOULD BE LOADED SO THAT YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO SPEND, BUT WE'D HAVE TO MOVE IT INTO CAPITAL OUTLAY BEFORE THEY COULD CONTRACT WITH A VENDOR AND MOVE FORWARD. AND WE COULD ADDRESS MID-YEAR BUDGET CRISIS OR MID-YEAR WHATEVER IF WE NEEDED TO USING THIS IF. OKAY. OR YOU COULD FUND IT AT HALF THIS YEAR AND HALF NEXT YEAR, MEANING THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO START TILL LIKE END OF NEXT SUMMER. RIGHT? SO ON THE ON THE BUDGET, WOULD THIS SHOW IN THE BUDGET OR SHOW HAS A CAPACITY IN THAT SEPARATE CATEGORY? IT WOULD BE IN THE BUDGET NUMBER APPROVED. IT WOULD BE IN THE BUDGET NUMBER, YES. JUST CARRY IT LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR. IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER. OKAY. YES. OKAY. WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THEY CAN'T SPEND IT UNTIL THEY COME BACK WITH YEP. WE HAVE THE BOND CLOSED OUT. THERE IS FUNDING. AND HERE'S HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED. AND WE COULD YEAH. AND WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET AGAIN AS THEIR FIRST PRIORITY OKAY OKAY.

IT'S A YES FOR NOW. THAT'S A YES FOR NOW OKAY OKAY. THE NEXT ONE WAS THE THIRD PRIORITY. THE

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OH GO AHEAD. NO YOU'RE FINE. FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. THIS FEATURE HAS BEEN PRETTY HELPFUL.

WE HAD AN ABDUCTION, I WANT TO SAY, TWO WEEKS AGO, THE 12 YEAR OLD TWO ADULT MALES ABDUCTED A 12 YEAR OLD FEMALE. AND THE ALPR TECHNOLOGY WAS WHAT CRACKED THE CASE AND WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE TWO ARRESTS AND RECOVER. THE MISSING GIRL RETURNED. AND IT'S A GOOD TECH. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE LICENSE PLATE? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T. DO YOU WRITE A TICKET OR DO YOU JUST START PAYING ATTENTION TO WHO IS SPEEDING AND GIVE THEM WARNINGS? NO. SO THE IDAHO STATE LEGISLATURE JUST PASSED A LAW IN JULY. IT JUST WENT INTO EFFECT. SO THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO INVESTIGATE ARE MISDEMEANORS AND FELONIES AND TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. SO IF IT'S AN INFRACTION THAT RELATES TO A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, WE CAN WRITE A TICKET OFF OF THAT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S JUST LOOKING FOR WANTED PEOPLE. AND TRAFFIC FLOW PATTERNS. SO THIS GIVES US ONE MORE I LOOKING FOR JUST WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A LICENSE PLATE THAT LINKS BACK TO A FELONY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT A WAY TO GENERATE A TICKET REVENUE. THIS WASN'T SURE. I MEAN, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE CAR CLUBS AND PEOPLE SPEEDING DOWN SUNNYSIDE, PEOPLE ON WOODRUFF. SO I JUST WANTED TO. ASK THE QUESTION. WE MAKE A DIFFERENT CATEGORY BETWEEN YES AND NO. AM MAYBE OR MAYBE IS IT? AND WE COME BACK AND VISIT THOSE IF WE NEED TO LATER. AT SOME POINT, WE'LL WANT TO PRIORITIZE OUR LAST COUPLE OF THE FOR SURE LIST AND THE FIRST FEW ON THE MAYBE LIST, BECAUSE IF MORE MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE CAN JUST AFTER WE GET THE FINAL NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY, WE CAN JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST. RIGHT? AND I'M PLUGGING THESE IN UNDER SOURCES THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A NUMBER AT THE END OF WHERE WE REALLY SITTING AFTER WE SAY YES TO ALL THESE THINGS, JUST TO SPEED THINGS ALONG. WOULD THAT BE END OKAY? OKAY, OKAY. MOVING ON TO FIRE. THESE ARE WE'LL GO. DO YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THE LIST OR IN ORDER OF PRIORITY. ORDER OF PRIORITY OKAY. SO FIRST PRIORITY WAS THE THERMAL IMAGING CAMERAS. YES OKAY. THE SECOND ITEM WAS THE RADIOS, MOTOROLA RADIOS. I'M A YES ON THAT. YES. THE THIRD ITEM IS THE STATION FOR US. UPGRADE TO DORM ROOMS THEN STATION ONE SAME UPGRADE. AND THEN BATTALION CHIEF STATION FOUR REMODEL.

CHIEF, ARE YOU GOING TO DO A SECOND BATTALION CHIEF THIS YEAR? PROBABLY NOT. AND WE CAN LEAVE THAT. WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH PUSHING THAT DOWN THE ROAD. MAKE THAT MAKE THAT A STATION FOR REMODEL AND YEAH, WITH THE UPGRADES WE WOULD LIKE TO UPGRADE STATION ONE AND STATION FOUR TO THAT NEW SYSTEM. YEAH. I PUT A MAYBE ON BOTH OF THOSE FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT I'LL GO WITH THAT ONE ON STATION ONE. STATION FOUR UPGRADES. YEAH. THAT'S JUST YEAH. OKAY. SO YOUR YOUR POINT IS THAT THAT THOSE FIRST TWO ARE THE BOTTOM TWO, THE THERMAL IMAGING AND THE RADIOS ARE BOTH NUMBER ONE PRIORITY I THINK THEY'RE. THAT'S THE POWER THAT JUST USING THE ONE TIME MONIES.

OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO PARKS. THERE FOR PARKS TAKING CARE OF THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR PARKS.

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OKAY. YES. JUST IS THERE A PRIORITY ASSIGNED TO THAT? YES. SO THE RANKINGS THESE ONES ARE IN ORDER OKAY. SO CEMETERY SOFTWARE IS THE FIRST PRIORITY. SECOND PRIORITY THE ZOOKEEPER.

THIS WAS THE SAFETY RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE INCIDENT AT THE ZOO. THE THIRD ITEM IS REPLACING THE LIFT STATION OF THE ZOO. WE GOT AN UPDATED ESTIMATE FOR THIS. THIS ESTIMATE WAS. DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT, PJ? SURE. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE FTE THOUGH? SURE.

THAT GOT PASSED OVER PRETTY QUICKLY. IT'S REALLY THAT REALLY CAME OUT OF OUR ACA ACCREDITATION CONVERSATION, NOT JUST THE SAFETY INCIDENT THAT CAME THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE ACCREDITATION REVIEW. IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS MENTIONED. IT WAS IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN BOTH, BUT IT REALLY CAME FORWARD THROUGH OUR OUR INVESTIGATION INTO THE INCIDENT, BUT THEN WAS REINFORCED BY THE ADA BECAUSE WE CAN'T PERFORM THE SAFETY CHECKS AND THE WAY THAT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE ZOO AND SAFETY OF ALL THE ANIMALS AND PEOPLE WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL ZOOKEEPER WHICH CAME INTO PLAY. NOW THE ZOO HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY POSSIBLY CAN NOW TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT WORKS WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL PERSON. BUT COUNCILMEMBER FRANCIS AND I DID SEE HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS, AND IT CAN WORK WITH ONE WITHOUT THAT ADDITIONAL FTE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY MORE CHALLENGING. SO WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON IT, MICHELLE? YOU FAVOR DOING IT OR NO, I FAVOR I FAVOR THE ZOOKEEPER FTE YEAH I MEAN I THINK THAT YOU KNOW AGAIN THIS COMES BACK TO DO WE WANT TO INVEST IN THE ZOO OR NOT. RIGHT. ARE WE GOING? WE JUST GOT TWO NEW LIONS. RIGHT? RIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO ENSURE THAT AS WE GET MORE AND MORE ANIMALS AND BIGGER AND BIGGER ANIMALS, THAT THE STAFF IS SAFE AND VOLUNTEERS ARE SAFE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON IT. BUT MY SUGGESTION WAS TO DO A MID-YEAR HIRE BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSE TO THE END OF THE ZOO SEASON BY THE TIME WE GET TO OCTOBER 1ST. ANYWAY, THEY OPEN UP IN APRIL. THEY GET THE EXTRA PERSON IN THERE. DO THEY NEED IT ALL WINTER LONG BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME STAFF THAT DO? I MEAN, AS WE DISCUSSED, THERE IS DEFINITELY A LOT MORE FREE TIME IN THE IN THE IN THE WINTER TIME FOR ENRICHMENT AND THAT. SO IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT IF SOMEBODY IS PULLED AWAY FROM SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT LESS IMPACTFUL IN THE WINTER TIME THAN IT WOULD BE DURING OPEN HOURS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS AT MIDSEASON. I THINK WOULD WOULD WORK PRETTY WELL FOR US FOR LEADING INTO THIS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE PROBLEM OF ONGOING IN 2027. AND HONESTLY, I GO BACK TO THE FEES AND RATE ASKED TO DO TO RAISE THE FEE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ADULTS, NOT CHILDREN. SO THEY BEGIN TO OFFSET THAT ONGOING COST OF THE SECOND YEAR. YEAH, BUT IF I CALCULATE IT RIGHT, THE ONE YEAR, THE HALF YEAR WAS SOMEWHERE HALF. THAT 30,000.

YEAH. YEAH. SO THE 61 IS THE SALARY AND WAGES. THAT MEANS PEOPLE WOULD BENEFIT. YES. THIS IS WHY THIS IS HARD FOR ME BECAUSE WE HAVE A STATION THAT WE'RE BUILDING STATION NUMBER SIX. IT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN JANUARY. WE HAVE ZERO PEOPLE FOR. YEAH. SO IF WE'RE COMPARING LIKE A LIKE AND SO THAT'S WHERE FOR A ZOO LIKE PRETTY SOON IT STARTS TO SAY LIKE ARE WE COMPARING FIRE TO ZOO TO POLICE. LIKE, WELL THAT'S THE CHALLENGE OF DOING THIS PROCESS, RIGHT? YEAH. LIKE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO SEE THE APPLES TO APPLES UNTIL YOU RANK AND PRIORITIZE ALL OF THESE AND THEN GO BACK THROUGH THEM AGAIN. BUT THIS IS BUT THE FIRE STATION ISN'T GOING TO COME UP ON THIS. YEAH. WELL WHAT REQUEST ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THEN.

YEAH. THAT'S MY POINT. IS IT. IT CAME OFF OF THE CUTS AND IT CAME OFF OF LIKE THE TALKING. SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T OPERATE A STATION. IS THAT WHAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU DID. WE'RE MOVING PERSONNEL FROM CURRENT STATION ONE TO OPERATE STATION SIX. WE WILL WE WILL WE WILL DEMAND WE WILL PLACE THE DEMAND FOR STATION ONE CREW TO COVER BOTH STATION THREE AND STATION ONE AREA. BUT WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO CUT, WE WERE ALSO TOLD MPS WERE BASICALLY OFF THE TABLE THIS YEAR. SO YOU DIDN'T SEE A REQUEST FROM ME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. BUT I

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IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? YEAH. ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S IF I WASN'T THINKING OF THE MAJOR HIRE, BUT I WAS JUST SAYING MAYBE. YEAH. WAS THAT MICHELLE? WELL, IT'S JUST IT'S COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW SUGGESTING THAT WE MODIFY THE SPREADSHEET TO INCLUDE THESE ADDITIONAL FTES. OR IS YOUR NARRATIVE MORE JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY, THIS IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AWARE OF OTHER NEEDS THAT WERE CUT THAT YOU FEEL ARE MORE OF A PRIORITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON THE LIST AND WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THEM. YES. AND THAT WE AND THAT IN MANY CASES WE HAVE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET THAT WE'RE INFLUENCING RIGHT NOW WITH MID-YEAR HIRES OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE UNFUNDED GRANT PEOPLE, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE BIG PICTURE. SO IT'S REALLY JUST A JUST A CHALLENGE. SO IT IS PHILOSOPHICAL THAT IT IS HARD TO SAY YES OR NO ON ANYTHING WHEN YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE COMPARING AGAINST. YOU'RE NOT LIKE THERMAL IMAGING CAMERAS. THAT'S JUST A HARD YES FOR ME. LIKE IF THEY CAN'T SEE WHEN THEY WALK INTO A FIRE, THEN THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT COMPARED AGAINST SOMETHING ELSE. YEAH, I IT'S PHILOSOPHICALLY I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND. JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M INCLUDING ALL THE THINGS THAT IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE WHEN, WHEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE OTHER THINGS ARE SITTING OUT THERE TO SAY YES, KNOWING I CAN HEAR YOU. SO I VAGUELY RECALL AT SOME POINT IN MY BRAIN THINKING THAT THE THINGS THAT WERE CUT WERE GOING TO ROLL INTO THIS SAME ONTO THIS SAME LIST. HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO ADD THOSE? WE TOOK A BREAK OR SOMETHING.

IT'S NOT HARD. A LOT OF THE ITEMS WE DIDN'T ADD IN BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ONE TIME REQUESTS, AND THAT WAS THE FUNDING WE HAD AVAILABLE SO WE COULD ADD BACK IN THOSE ONE TIME OR RECURRING COSTS INTO THIS LIST RELATIVELY QUICKLY. SO THIS INCLUDES THE ONE TIME ASKS THAT WERE CUT, BUT NOT THE RECURRING ASKS OR IT INCLUDES NOTHING IN THIS FIGHT. THE ONLY THING ADDED BACK IN WAS THE ALPR TRAFFIC SPEED TRAILERS. I DIDN'T GET ANY REQUEST TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE BACK IN. OKAY, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO THROUGH THE LIST AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND KEEP THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE IN YOUR POCKET, RIGHT? THAT YOU'RE THAT IF THEY COME UP, IF WE GET TO THE END AND THERE'S SOMETHING LEFT OVER, THEN WE GO BACK AND REVISIT THOSE. BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FULL LIST AND WE ONLY KNOW WHAT'S IN HIS POCKET, THAT POCKET AND THIS POCKET AND YOU ALL HAVE, BUT YOU DON'T YOU DON'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING THAT WAS CUT. IT DOESN'T SEEM TERRIBLY EQUITABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THINGS THAT WERE CUT IN ONE DEPARTMENT, BUT NOT ALL THE OTHERS. AND I'M TRYING TO TRACK IT FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR CONCERN, BUT. IT IS. IT IS A WHOLE CITY THING.

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THAT IS OUR TYPICAL LIFT STATION THAT WE USE FOR SUBDIVISIONS AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY EXTREMELY OVERKILL FOR THE ZOO. WE HAVE A FEW EXHIBITS THAT DUMP INTO THAT, AND A COUPLE OF RESTROOMS THAT ARE ALL THAT ARE REALLY ON THAT LINE. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS IT PROBABLY BETTER FOR US AT THIS POINT TO NOT TRY TO GET IT TO A POINT THAT IS MAINTAINED AND OPERATED BY, BY PUBLIC WORKS TO SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY TO GET TO THAT? SO WE LOOKED AT JUST WHAT WOULD IT COST TO GET US BACK ONLINE, BACK RUNNING. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WE HAVE FOUR OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN 30 AND 50,000 PLUS SOME ELECTRICAL WORK. SO MY THOUGHT WAS IF I COULD CUT THIS SIX OR THIS $250,000 REQUEST DOWN TO PROBABLY 60,000. CHRIS, I'M LOOKING AT YOU. DO YOU THINK THAT'S ADEQUATE? PROBABLY THAT THAT WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK.

WE'LL KEEP THAT UNDER THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE OF THE ZOO AS IT'S BEEN THROUGH HISTORY. AND WE'LL BE UP AND RUNNING HOPEFULLY FOR ANOTHER. YOU KNOW, THE LAST PUMP, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY HOW OLD IT IS. PROBABLY 15 TO 20 YEARS. WE COULD GET THAT MUCH MORE TIME OUT OF A $60,000 INVESTMENT, COMPARED TO 250 HAVING TO CUT UP GROUND AND TRENCH. ALL THAT THROUGHOUT THE ZOO AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD STILL BE IN ZOO GROWTH SPACE, THAT WE WOULD EVENTUALLY HAVE TO MOVE OR CARVE OUT A DIFFERENT WAY ANYWAYS IN THE FUTURE. SO YEAH, SO I'D LIKE TO REDUCE THAT TO 60,000 AS A REQUEST IF POSSIBLE. RIGHT. OKAY. THOUGHTS ON INCLUDING THIS? YES. NO. MAYBE. YES. YES YES OKAY. THAT WAS TWO YESES. YES. FROM FRANCIS. YES. GO AHEAD. YEAH, YEAH. INCLUDE IT FOR NOW. THE MULE UTV. NO. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, DJ, EARLIER TODAY YOU SAID THIS WAS IMPORTANT. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE A WE HAVE AN OLD MULE THAT WE USE EVERY DAY THROUGHOUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I GUESS IN ZOO, IT IS IN TERRIBLE SHAPE AND IS BUT IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT ON OUR MURPH PROGRAM. IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS DILAPIDATED BEFORE THAT. IT CAME OFF OF THE MURPH PROGRAM AND WAS PUT INTO THE WORK. WORK RELEASE LIST. AND SO WE PAY FOR THAT, THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT SEPARATELY. BUT IT IS TIME THAT WE NEED SOMETHING NEW TO REPLACE THAT MACHINE THAT IS JUST COSTING US MORE AND MORE,

[02:15:03]

ALL RIGHT. I'D SAY LEAVE IT IN. I'M A I'M A NO ON THAT ONE. I FEEL LIKE WE JUST DID THE TRUCKS AND THE OTHER ATV LAST YEAR. SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME WAY TO GET SOME OF THIS IN THE BUDGET. YOU MEAN TRYING TO TRYING TRYING TO FIND IT WITHIN THEIR EXISTING BUDGET? JUST REPRIORITIZING WHAT'S IN THEIR BUDGET? I THINK IT GOES TO COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS'S CONCEPT OF TRYING TO GET THE ZOO IN A IN A BETTER PLACE OF KNOWING WHAT THEIR ASSETS ARE, KNOWING WHAT THEIR EMERGENCIES ARE, AND GETTING ALL OF THAT RIGHTSIZED RIGHT. AND EVEN WITH THE LIBRARY, WHAT IS COUNCIL WILLING TO SUPPORT IN TERMS OF SERVICES OUT BY THE ZOO? YEAH, I MEAN, SO I THINK THAT I MEAN, I WAS A YES FOR SURE ON THE LIFT STATION. I MEAN, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH A BIG ONE. SO RELATIVE TO THE LIFT STATION, THAT'S WHY I'M, I KNOW YOU COULD LOSE $60,000 IN REVENUE IF YOU LIFT STATION ONE OUT, RIGHT? AND THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE ZOO FUND TO PICK UP 12,000. THE ZOO ITSELF DOESN'T. EVEN IF WE GET THEM THIS, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CAPITAL CAPITAL FUND FOR THE ZOO, BUT IT TYPICALLY IS ALL GRANTS THAT ARE WRITTEN FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND CAPPED FOR THOSE. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH, TOUGH THING TO GET OUT OF THERE. BUT COULD WE PUT THIS IN THIS CAPACITY AND TRY TO GET SOME SPONSOR? COUNCILOR RADFORD, I'M GOING TO TURN YOU UP. YEAH. THANK YOU. JUST REMEMBER THAT THIS IS OUR NUMBER ONE FUNDRAISING GROUP, THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY JUST KILLS IT. I MEAN, THEY THEY THEY DO CONTRIBUTE SO. AND THEIR MONEY'S BEEN SET ASIDE FOR THE REDESIGN, SO. OKAY. ARE YOU SAYING TO USE THIS TO USE THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY TO FUND FOR THE MULE? NO. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S WHAT I CAN'T. YEAH. WE CAN'T USE THEM OKAY. SHOW THEM THAT YOUR SUPPORT IS ONE OF THE BETTER GROUPS. THAT DOES A GOOD JOB OF FINDING WAYS TO PAY FOR THINGS IN GENERAL FOR FUTURE USE. SO I JUST THINK, LIKE THE LIBRARY, THEY'VE BEEN PROACTIVE. THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS ONE ITEM THAT IS RELATIVELY SMALL THAT WE COULD TRY TO PUT IN THE BUDGET IF THEY HAVE SAVINGS OR IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUE NOT EXPECTED.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE WATCHING THE ZOO REVENUES THIS YEAR, MAKING SURE WE'RE GOING TO MEET OUR PROJECTED TARGETS. SO WE DON'T WANT TO EXCEED EXPENDITURES IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT REVENUE COMING IN TO SUPPORT THEM. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ABSORBABLE WITHIN THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET. CAN WE MAKE IT SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT OFF THAT 675,001 TIME MONEY? WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT OFF THAT OKAY. IF THAT'S WHAT DIRECTOR HOLT WOULD LIKE TO DO. SO IT'S A SURE BUY IT IF YOU. I MEAN ABSOLUTELY. IF WE COULD FIND A SUITABLE AND WE HAVE APPROVAL TO DO SO, WE'LL LOOK FOR THE SAVINGS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH FOR THAT. SO THE ITEM CATEGORY THAT'S A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. IT'S NOT A MAYBE IT'S A YEAH IT'S A FIND WITHIN YOUR BUDGET TO JUST REPRIORITIZE WITHIN YOUR BUDGETS. YEAH. YEAH. EBB EXISTING BUDGET BUDGET SAVINGS S FOR SAVINGS. AND SEE IF IT WOULD MAYBE HELP. OKAY. SO THE THIS ITEM HERE ON THE SOUTH OF SUNNYSIDE GRANT I'VE GOT IT ON HERE BECAUSE IT HAS A MATCH REQUIREMENT BUT IT IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. SO I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE GOOD MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT ITEM. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMING FROM ANY OF THESE ONE TIME FUNDS. OKAY. THIS IS A GRANT WE'VE RECEIVED TO DO THOSE TRAILS SOUTH OF SUNNYSIDE. OKAY, OKAY. WE SHOULD FIND A DIFFERENT CATEGORY FOR THINGS THAT THAT ARE LIKE THIS. YEAH, IT'S ONE JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE BUDGET AND THERE'S A MATCH REQUIREMENT OKAY. AND THE LAST ONE IS HERITAGE PARK PARKING LOT PHASE TWO. THIS IS THE ONE LAST WEEK WE IDENTIFIED COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING OF THE POWER CAPITAL RECREATION PLAN. AND LAST ON THE LIST OF PRIORITIES FROM DIRECTOR HOME. I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE REASON I HAVE IT AS THE LAST ON MY PRIORITY LIST IS IF WE NEEDED TO BUMP THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK COULD PROBABLY BE PUT OFF FOR ANOTHER YEAR ON THAT

[02:20:02]

OKAY. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. THANK YOU. SO THIS NUMBER IS THE STREETS PORTION. YEAH. IS IT A CLOSER. ANY CONCERNS WITH INCLUDING THIS AS A YES OR A NO. THANK YOU I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBER. WHAT'S THE NUMBER FOR LISTENING. 13,380 IS THE STREETS PORTION. YOU HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THIS GOING BACK INTO THE CUTS THAT CAME OUT OF I MEAN BECAUSE STREETS LEVY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHERE THIS MONEY COMES FROM. OR WOULD YOU SAY THIS IS ALSO PART OF WHAT IT'S ALL THE SAME POT. SO THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADD BACK TO WHERE WE'D ALREADY TAKEN A CUT. AND THIS WOULD BE A PLACE THAT YOU MEAN, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK. IS THIS MORE. WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE IT? IT IT'S $13,380. IT GETS THE FULL GIS PERSON AND IT'S A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE TOKEN BACK OF WHAT WAS CUT. YEAH. I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THE POSITION. OKAY. THANKS.

FROM THE GROWTH PART. YEAH. SO I SAW A FEW NODS. OKAY. I'M SEEING ALL NOTES. OKAY. OKAY. MOVING ON TO RECREATION. WE HAVE THE FIRST PRIORITY. WAS THE DOOR OR HEAT IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER SOLARIUM FOR 17,000. AND SECOND PRIORITY IS THE AQUATIC CENTER LOCKER. FOR THE 17,000.

BECAUSE MOLD PROBLEMS ARE SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS. I'M NOT FOR THE 45,000. EXPANSION EIGHT TO. YES FOR BOTH OF THOSE. BOTH OF THEM. YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT KIDS GOING TO THE POOL PUTTING THEIR THOSE LOCKERS ARE REALLY RUSTY AND CRAPPY. YOU KNOW THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME

[02:25:04]

I'M SAYING LEAVE IT IN. IF WE EVER GO TO A RECREATION CENTER THAT HAD SWIMMING FACILITIES, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD STILL KEEP. A FULL CONTINGENT LOCKERS THERE AT THE AQUATIC CENTER? YES. I THINK NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IF WE BUILD A REC CENTER THAT HAS MORE OF A LEISURE POOL AND THAT THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KEEP THIS POOL FOR A COMPETITIVE SWIMMING POOL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AND THE COMPETITORS PROBABLY NEED MORE THAN A 12 BY 12 BOX LOCKER. ARE YOU THINKING AHEAD TO MAYBE BY TEAM SPORTS LOCKERS? IT WOULD PROBABLY MOST MOST BANKS OF LOCKERS COME IN KIND OF A MIX. YOU GET A COUPLE OF LARGER, BUT MOST OF OURS ARE NOT ACTUALLY A 12 BY 12. THEY'RE A THEY'RE A 36 BY 12. OKAY. OR SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN THERE OKAY. KIND OF I'M MIXING UP VARIOUS LOCKER ROOMS I'VE BEEN IN. SO THANKS. I'M PERSONALLY A NO FOR THE LOCKERS JUST BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET DIAGNOSED. BUT I AGREE THAT THE 17 THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL VOTE ON THAT ONE. I SUPPORT THE 17,002. YEAH I LOOK AT IT THE SAME WAY, I'D PROBABLY PASS ON THE LOCKERS BUT SUPPORT THE. SOLARIUM, THE 17,000. WELL, WHAT IF WE PUT THE LOCKERS AS A MAYBE WE'LL COME BACK TO IT, BUT CAN YOU DO IT? CAN WE DO LIKE 25,000 AND GET SOME DONE OR. I MEAN, IF IT COMES DOWN TO IT, CAN YOU DO A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME OR IS IT JUST AS A BANK OF LOCKERS. YEAH.

WELL THIS REALLY COMES DOWN. I MEAN, IT PROBABLY COMES DOWN TO BANKS OF LOCKERS. THESE ARE A LOT OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETELY ATTACHED TOGETHER OR ENLARGED PORTIONS IS KIND OF HOW YOU DO IT IN MY OPINION. I THINK WITH THE TIGHTNESS OF THE YEAR, THE KIND OF READING THE ROOM, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO PUSH THOSE OFF, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON OUR BUDGET REQUESTS SINCE THE 2015 REMODEL OF THE LOCKER ROOMS THAT IT CAME WITH. WE JUST RETOOK THE LOCKERS THAT EXISTED, PUNCHED THEM BACK TOGETHER, BOLTED THEM DOWN, AND WE AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO OIL THEM AND CONTINUE TO TRY TO MAKE THEM LAST AS LONG AS THEY CAN. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT IF WE HAD TO GO A LITTLE MORE TIME, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE TOUGHER TO DO 10,000 OR 12,000 OR 15 GRAND AT A TIME AND MAKE THE MATCH AND MAKE THEM COHESIVE AND MAKE THEM FIT CORRECTLY MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE JUST LOOK AT MAKING THIS LAST AS LONG AS WE CAN, OR WORRYING ABOUT THAT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS A YES TO THE DOOR OR HEATH IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN A MAYBE OR A NO TO THE AQUATIC CENTER LOCKERS. OKAY, OKAY. GOLF IS A PINE CREST CLUBHOUSE. NEW ROUTE.

FOR 56,000. YOU CAN'T NOT PUT A NEW ROOF ON SOMETHING THAT NEEDS IT. WHAT'S THE REVENUE AT PINE CREST? TOTAL FOR JUST JUST JUST THE JUST THE GOLFERS COMING IN AND PAYING. FOR BECAUSE PINE CREST IS WHERE ALL EVERYTHING REGISTERS IN FOR ALL OF OUR SEASON PASSES AND THAT MOST THE OTHER COURSES ARE ABOUT A MILLION APIECE, I BELIEVE. AND THEN THAT ADDITIONAL IS OUR SEASON PASS AND STUFF, ABOUT $1 MILLION. I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE A 25 CENT INCREASE THEN TO A GOLF PASS TO GET A NEW ROOF. YEAH, WE DID RAISE IT. THEY ARE RAISING THEM 5% ADULT. I THINK IT'S A DOLLAR DOLLAR FOR GREEN FEES, A DOLLAR FOR GREEN FEES, 5% ON 5% ON SEASON PASSES. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS ARE WE BUMPING UP AGAINST THE 5% ALREADY ON THOSE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ADDING TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN? NO, I'M JUST SAYING IF LIKE YOU ADD $0.25 TO THE TO THE COST OF IT, IT'S A IT'S KIND OF A SMALL IT'S SMALL, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT COMPARED. YES. OKAY. RIGHT.

AMOUNT COMPARED TO WHAT THEY MAKE IN THE SPEND. AND WE COULD INCREASE MORE THAN 5% ABOVE 5%.

JUST YOU CAN PUT A METAL ROOF ON IT OKAY. SO WE'LL GO UP. YOU'RE NOT TALKING A METAL ROOF ARE YOU. NO. THANK GOD. YEAH. SHAPED ROOF. IT IS ON THE. IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING. IT HAS TO BE

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JUST. OKAY. OUR LAST ITEM IS THE POLICE IMPACT FEES VEHICLES ADDING FOUR VEHICLES TO THE FLEET COMING OUT OF THE IMPACT FEES. THIS IS ON HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE KIND OF THE HOLD ON USE OF THE IMPACT FEES. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE CURRENTLY BUDGETED OUT OF THE POLICE IMPACT FEES IS THE DEBT SERVICE OF 630,000. OR 630,000. YOU'VE YOU'VE BUDGETED THAT OUT AND JUST PUT IT INTO GENERAL FUND NO. 630,000 IS PLANNED TO COME OUT OF THE IMPACT FEES THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR. OKAY. AND JUST IS SUPPORTING THE GENERAL FUND. ITS INSTEAD OF THE FULL 2 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE, 630 COMING FROM IMPACT FEES. OH OKAY. AND ALL AND HAS ALREADY BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE TOTAL BUDGET. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO THIS IS AN ADDITION TO THE IMPACT FEE FUND IF APPROVED, SIX. SIX I'M NOT READY FOR THAT ONE YET. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

YEAH I DON'T THINK IN THIS BUDGET YEAR I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE. I MEAN I KNOW THAT IT'S PUTTING US BEHIND IN CARS ARE GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T. WE DON'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE DONE YET. SO THIS IS A WAIT. WHERE ARE WE WAITING FOR? WELL, FOR ME, IT'S WAITING TO GET THE ORDINANCE FINISHED SO THAT WE KNOW WHETHER WE CAN START USING THE IMPACT. YEAH, OKAY. THE LAWSUIT AND THE. AND THE ORDINANCE NOT DONE. AND THE HOLD IS NOT THE ORDINANCE. THE HOLD IS DEFINITELY I MEAN, THE HOLD THAT WE IMPOSED ON OURSELVES IS THE LAWSUIT. YEAH.

OKAY. AND I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING IT AS CAPACITY AND BASICALLY GET IT RIGHT. BUT IF NOT TO SPEND IT SO WE COULD LOAD IT INTO CONTINGENCY. SO IF THINGS RESOLVE IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO USE. SO THESE ARE ALREADY COLLECTED DOLLARS THAT ARE FROZEN. CORRECT. WHY IS IT COMING UP HERE. JUST AS A USE OF THOSE FUNDS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE DONE BEFORE.

BECAUSE WE WERE APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD PAYING DEBT SERVICE, BUT NOTHING ELSE AT THIS TIME.

RIGHT. BUT THE OTHER CATEGORIES HAVE QUESTIONS TOO, AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IN OTHER PLACES, NOT IN A BUDGET SETTING. AND SO THIS IS KIND OF UNIQUE. AND I'M THINKING THAT THIS ISN'T THE PLACE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY. BUT. WE HAVE THIS. WE HAD WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO APPLY THEM? IT WASN'T A WORK SESSION, WASN'T IT? I THOUGHT THOUGHT CHIEF JOHNSON BROUGHT IT UP AT THE FIRST BUDGET SESSION THAT WE HAD IN JULY. I THOUGHT HE HAD BROUGHT THAT UP AS AS AN ASK.

YEAH, THAT'S WHY IT'S ON HERE. YEAH. CAPACITY, BUDGET. IF IT'S A CAPACITY CAPACITY ASK. YES, I BELIEVE SO. YEAH. IF THE LAWSUIT IS NOT. ORDINANCE GO THROUGH. CORRECT. SO CORRECT. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T PUT IT IN AS CAPACITY, IT WOULD HAVE TO REOPEN THE BUDGET TO SPEND OUT OF THAT FUND. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. OKAY. SEEMS LIKE THAT'S JUST A NOTE THAT WE CAN BE TAKING AND DO ADMINISTRATIVELY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT IN THIS MEETING, BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS NEVER ASKED FOR US TO OUTLINE EACH AND EVERY THING THAT YOU PUT IN CONTINGENCY. THAT IS ALWAYS BEEN A JUDGMENT CALL THAT HAS COME KIND OF WITH A SENSE. WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHY WE HAVE IT AND THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE IN IT. BUT WE'VE NEVER ASKED FOR AN ENUMERATION OF EVERYTHING THAT'S IN IT. IT'S JUST A FLAT OR A BIG ROUND NUMBER THAT THAT WE JUST ALLOWED TO BE IN, LIKE ALREADY PAID FOR. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO SKEW ANY OF THE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SITTING IN COLUMN E. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT ONGOING. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT ONE TIME. SO IT'S ALL RIGHT. IT'S JUST SEEN FOR CONTINGENCY OKAY. IT'S THAT DEPENDENT ON LAWSUIT.

CORRECT. AND THE REASON THAT I SAID ON THE ORDINANCE IS BECAUSE THERE'S STILL THE QUESTION ABOUT THE EIGHT YEAR AND THE TEN YEAR REPLACEMENT. REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. YES. OKAY. JUST SO I'M

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AMBULANCES WILL START PILING UP, NOT BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE. SO THAT'S A 250 ONGOING. THERE'S THERE WERE SOME EQUIPMENT AT FRONTIER ELECTRICIAN THAT WASN'T FILLED MOST OF THAT TIME DOING.

YEAH. THERE'S I MEAN BUT SOME WOULD CUT OUT OF JUST DIFFERENT TRAINING DEPARTMENTS. THERE'S STILL STREETS. OH BUT STREETS AT LEAST PER YEAR COULD BE ONE TIME. SO IN OTHER WORDS, $250,000 WOULD OFFSET THAT MILLION A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. EVEN IF IT WAS JUST ONE TIME, ONE YEAR. I MEAN, LIKE I SAY, WE'RE DEALING WITH 2027. YEAH. WHERE ARE WE AT? WE'RE SO HAVING GONE THROUGH THOSE ITEMS THAT WE MARKED AS YESES, WE'VE USED 47,000 OF THAT 245 AVAILABLE FOR ONGOING COSTS, 950,000 IS THE POLICE SHOOTING RANGE COMING OUT OF THE COP FUNDING. AND THEN 293,000 OF OTHER ONE TIME REQUESTS. OKAY, SO WE STILL HAVE 197,000 LEFT OF THE RECURRING FUNDING AND 1,000,001 OF THE ONE TIME FUNDING, INCLUDING THAT HALF OF THE FOREGONE FOR THE CAPITAL ONLY. SO WE DON'T NEED THE HALF OF THE FOREGONE, RIGHT. NO, WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH YOUR CUTS YET. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT NINE FIREFIGHTERS ARE OKAY. OKAY, I'M HALFWAY THERE.

250,000. SO THE OTHER ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IS LIBRARIES REQUEST THEIR NORMAL WHAT WE WOULD DO. LIKE IF THEY GOT THE 3% INCREASE THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 89,000. THE PERSONNEL ONLY INCREASE WOULD BE ABOUT 64,000. RECREATION WAS FLAT. AGAIN. IF THEY GOT A 3% INCREASE, THAT'D BE 35,000. AND THEN STREETS, IF YOU ADDED BACK THE FRANCHISE FEE THAT WAS MOVED TO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN GAVE THEM A 3% INCREASE, THAT'S ABOUT 101,000. THEY ALSO JUST HAD 450,000 THAT WE MOVED TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO THAT'S THE ONGOING REVENUE THAT THEY NO LONGER HAVE. SO THOSE ARE SOME OTHER OF THOSE ITEMS. IF WE WANT TO ADD OTHER ITEMS LIKE FUNDING FIREFIGHTERS, 9 TO 12 FIREFIGHTERS, THAT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION. THE WE DIDN'T FUND THE COPS GRANT OR TWO POSITIONS A YEAR ESSENTIALLY FOR POLICE. THOSE ARE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT AREN'T ON THE LIST REALLY ANYWHERE THAT JUST WERE NOT ASKED FOR KNOWING WE DIDN'T HAVE CAPACITY. SEE, I'M ARGUING THAT WE COULD GET BY WITH 500,000 FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE DID A MID-YEAR HIRE, SINCE THE BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO BE FINISHED UNTIL JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, THE MID-YEAR HIRE MAKES SOME SENSE. IF YOU CAN GET BY WITH THE SPLIT CREW FOR A WHILE AND THEN THEN THE ONLY PROBLEM IS WHERE DO WE GET THE FUNDING IN 2027, RIGHT? THAT'S A BIGGER IMPACT FOR THAT NEXT YEAR. POSSIBLE TO USE ALL OF THAT 1% FOREGONE FOR PERSONNEL, BUT IT'S ALREADY COMMITTED IN THESE BUDGET CUTS. RIGHT? ALL OF IT IS CORRECT THIS YEAR. IT'S ESSENTIALLY MAKING UP FOR THE SAFER GROUND GOING AWAY. TRADITIONALLY ON THE FOREGONE.

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SO I FEEL LIKE FOR SURE THE SALARIES IS A YES. SO YOUR YES IS 65,000, BUT NOT TO YOU. YEAH.

OKAY. THAT MOVES OUR GROWTH AMOUNT TO 100 AND 111,000. USED 133,000 LEFT. WHICH IS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT AS RECREATION AND STREETS. WAS THERE AN ISSUE BETWEEN 60 AND 80,000. THAT NEEDS TO BE. WAS THAT REMIND ME. I THINK ABOUT $15,000. NO, I THINK WE'RE FINE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US 60, WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO GET MONEY, JOHN. WE'LL TAKE WHATEVER YOU GIVE US.

BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT, SO I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT WAS BROOKS WHO SAID THE 3% OPERATIONS IS ANOTHER $15,000. RIGHT. SO I WE JUST ASSUME THAT IF YOU WANT TO COVER THE SALARIES, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO COVER THE REST OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. THAT WAS A TOTAL OVERSIGHT FOR THAT 64,000 TO BE LEFT OUT OF THERE, WASN'T IT WASN'T. I THOUGHT IT STARTED AT 80. AND HOW DID WE GET TO 60, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK YOU. ROBERT 60. 80. THE 89,000 WOULD BE IF WE JUST GAVE THEM A 3% INCREASE TO THEIR PROPERTY TAX ALLOCATION. 64,000 IS IF WE ONLY COVERED THEIR PERSONNEL INCREASE LIKE WE DID EVERYBODY ELSE. YEAH. THANKS. HELP WITH THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THEN I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WOULD SAY THAT WE LEAVE IT THERE AND THAT 133,000, IF IT MATERIALIZES, CAN GO BACK INTO THE FIRE FOR THEIR MURPH OF THE AMBULANCE AND STREETS FOR THE DEDUCTIONS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN. 5050. I MEAN, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO DO IT. SO WHAT'S THE YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT'S THE FIRE AMOUNT AND 52 6260 SPLIT THE 133 BETWEEN THOSE TWO. WELL, IT'S JUST HERE'S SOME MORE MONEY. YOU WERE AT $260,000 REDUCTION, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO DIVIDE IT UP BESIDES 5050, BUT I IT JUST MEANS I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF THE MONEY ON OTHER ONGOING EXPENSES, WHEN THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT FLY TO THE TOP OF MY PRIORITY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE. SO WOULD YOU TAKE OFF ANY OF THE FTES THAT WE HAD IN THIS LIST? WHAT I THINK WE HAD, WHICH ONES DO WE HAVE? WELL, WE HAD I HAD A MAYBE BY THE ZOO FTE. I HAD 13, 380 FOR THE GIS AND 33 630 FOR PREPARING FOR THE. APPROVAL. I THINK WE ALREADY SAID THE 13 WILL COME OUT OF THE GIS WAS DONE. YES, I THINK THAT'S INCLUDED. THAT'S INCLUDED ALREADY. YOU COULD TAKE THAT OFF THIS LIST. YEP. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE? OKAY. WE DECIDED TO DO THAT HALF THE YEAR OR WHAT. WHERE DO WE END UP WITH THAT? WHICH ONE DO WE TELL THEM TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR THE FULL AMOUNT. OKAY. WHICH ONE DO WE HAVE. THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT I WOULD. WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? FOR THE ALTURAS, THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER? SO IT'S ALREADY IN YOUR NUMBERS, CORRECT? IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED. OKAY OKAY. NEVERMIND. YEAH. BECAUSE YEAH BUT IT'S NOT IN IT'S NOT IN THE 26 BUDGET. IT IS. IT'S INCLUDED COMING OUT OF THAT ADDITIONAL GROWTH AND ANNEXATION MONEY ON THIS WORKSHEET. IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY, BUT IN THE FUNDING HERE. THIS 241 USES OF THE 245 AVAILABLE, IT'S INCLUDED THERE. SO I PUT IT IN HERE,

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LIKE, BUT GOING BACK TO THE INTEREST OR THE FORMULA, IT'S ONE TIME MONEY. AND SO IT'S PUTTING IT TOWARD THOSE EXPENSES ONLY BUYS US THIS YEAR. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WAY STREET MAINTENANCE TYPE PROJECTS IS ONE CONTRACT AT A TIME. SO ONE TIME MONEY ONE YEAR HELPS TO DEFRAY THE IMPACT. SO WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT RELOOK THAT GETTING IT ON A WORK ON A NON AGENDA FOR A WORK SESSION AND MAKING A DETERMINATION. JUST HAVING A TRUE CONVERSATION. YEAH YEAH I MEAN WE HAD THE WE HAD THE FOCUS REPORT. WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION NOW. WHERE WOULD WE SPEND IT. I'M I'M OPEN TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CAPACITY TO DO IT WITHOUT REOPENING THE BUDGET, BUT THE REOPENING OF THE BUDGET LIKE WE DID FOR THE FEES THAT ONE TIME, THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME UNCOMFORTABLE. WELL, ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME INVOLVED. BUT IF WE IF TIME IS NOT OF THE ESSENCE, WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, THEN I GOT THAT WORKS FOR ME. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULDN'T SPEND IT YET. I WOULD JUST WAIT AND HAVE A REAL DETERMINATION OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH SELF-INSURANCE. LOOK AT THE LARGER. LET ME JUST TALK ABOUT THE INTEREST. I KNOW. OKAY? ARE YOU ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF JUST TAKING THE INTEREST IN DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT NOW? YEAH. WHERE WOULD YOU TAKE. THAT'S GOOD. WE HAVE LOTS OF PLACES WE CAN DO IT. OKAY. IF YOU SPEND THE INTEREST. YEAH. AND THEN TWO MONTHS LATER, SPEND THE PRINCIPAL, THERE WON'T BE ANY INTEREST BECAUSE. BECAUSE THE PRINCIPAL WILL BE DONE WELL.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE BIGGER CONVERSATION. AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS BUDGET? RIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO KEEP IT. ARE WE GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF IT? ARE WE NOT GOING TO SPEND ANY OF IT BUT TAKE A REAL OBJECTIVE? WHAT I'VE SAID BEFORE, I THOUGHT, I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT IS A NICE AMOUNT TO HAVE AS A AS A SECURITY. IF WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, TO SOFTEN THE BLOW OF A BIG INCREASE IN INSURANCE. RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, THE 2.1 MILLION FOR THAT. NOT NOT UP MORE THAN THE FOUR. WE HAVE FOUR PLUS WE HAVE 2.1. OKAY OKAY. FOR FUTURE CONVERSATION I'M HAPPY TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL I MEAN, THE INFORMATION I BROUGHT BEFORE WAS BOTH FROM AN UNDERWRITER AND ACTUARY. I CAN GET A THIRD, AN ACTUARY TO CALL AND SAY, CAN YOU GUYS RUN US? THE STORY OF THE PAST FEW YEARS VERSUS FUTURE YEARS AND GET AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY ACTUARY TO LOOK AT IT AND PRESENT ALL KINDS OF NEW DATA ON ONE? DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO GO SELF-FUNDED? TWO IF WE WENT SELF-FUNDED, I THINK WE'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT HALF THE AMOUNT WE NEED IN THERE, BUT I CAN I CAN BRING ADDITIONAL DATA TO A FUTURE DISCUSSION THAT WOULD HELP YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IT. AND IF WE IF WE DECIDE TO DIP IN INTO IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SPEND THE WHOLE FOUR. I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS MAY BE A ONE TIME. LOOK AT. I YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GUESSING HERE, BUT THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SIT DOWN AND GET THE NUMBERS THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AND SEE WHAT WE READ. DOCTOR JONES, OR AM I READING BETWEEN THE LINES THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU YOU PRESENTED US WITH THE DATA THAT WE COULD THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION? OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU THAT YOU, THAT YOU NEED TO PROVIDE MORE DATA FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION? NO, I THINK YOU'RE JUST HAPPY TO. THERE WAS A I

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ONE GENERALLY OUR INTEREST IS A LITTLE VOLATILE. SO IT'S HARD TO COUNT ON THAT. WELL AND JUST PUTTING IT IN FUND BALANCE, IT DOES GET CALCULATED THAT WAY. AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO GROW OUR FUND BALANCE SO THAT WE CAN REACH A POINT OF NEVER WORRYING ABOUT BELOW MONTHS, CASH WISE.

SO AM I HEARING THE REMAINDER TO NOT ALLOCATE? JUST LEAVE IT IN OUR NON-DEPARTMENTAL FUND AND IT'S AVAILABLE IF WE KNOW IT COMES IN AND REOPEN THE BUDGET OR PUT IT IN A SPECIFIC BUDGET.

I THINK MY SUGGESTION IS DON'T PUT IT IN A SPECIFIC PLACE YET. WELL, I THINK YOU'RE TREATING IT LIKE GENERAL FUND. AND SO MAYBE, MAYBE IT WOULD BE SAFE TO ALLOCATE IT TO GENERAL FUND, BUT NOT ANY FURTHER THAN THAT AT THIS TIME, SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM. ISN'T THE CONVERSATION. YEAH. WE COULD JUST ADD IT TO GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY, THAT EXTRA 140,000 OR WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT WAS. OKAY. SO GO TO YOUR ONE TIMES NOW. TWO. SO SIX IS. OKAY. SO MIKE BROOKS, AM I CORRECT. WE DID GO FORWARD WITH MID TERM HIRE FOR THE ZOO OR IS THAT OFF.

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YEAH, I THOUGHT THE ROOF OF THE. YES, THE ROOF IS A YES, BUT IT'S COMING OUT OF THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET OR THE EXCESS FEES THAT COME IN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SIMILAR TO THE MULE FOR THE ZOO.

I'M SORRY. GO BACK TO THE ONGOING. WHAT DID WE COMMIT TO IN TERMS OF EMPLOYEES ONGOING? THE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE IS FUNDED, SO IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF THOSE.

THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER IS ASSUMED TO BE INCLUDED, BUT NO COST THIS YEAR EXPECTED. NO COST THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND THE GOLF ROOF BE PART OF THE 3% FOREGONE SINCE IT'S A ONE TIME IT COULD.

IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT WAY RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S NO MONEY IN HERE FROM THAT SOURCE, CORRECT. SO THERE'S AND THEN THE GIS TECHNICIAN, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE COMING OUT OF THAT ONGOING FUNDING. AND THAT'S ONLY 13,380. IS THAT THE ONLY ONGOING EMPLOYEE OF THE EMPLOYEES? YES.

SO THOSE ARE OUR TWO GROWTH ITEMS. THEN LIBRARIES INCREASE FOR THEIR PERSONNEL OF 64,000.

THAT MAKES UP THE 111,000 ASSUMED TO COME OUT OF GROWTH, WHICH LEAVES US WITH ABOUT 134,000. I MISSED THAT. WHERE'S THE 111,000? I'VE GOT THE 13,380 AND THE 64,000 FOR THE LIBRARY.

WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? IT'S THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER AT 33. BUT THAT'S NOT IN 2026. IT ONLY SHOWS UP IN 2027. WE JUST HAVE TO KNOW THAT. YES, BUT THAT'S AGAIN ASSUMING HOW THEY PLAN TO HIRE IT. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. WE'VE GOT IT IN THERE AS AN ASSUMPTION THAT 33,000 SHOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, BUT NOT IN THIS COMING BUDGET YEAR. THAT'S WHY WE COULD WE COULD ZERO THAT OUT. ASSUMING IT'S FULLY FUNDED, BUT WE CAN'T SPEND IT FOR NEXT YEAR. I KNOW.

CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN, COUNSELOR RADFORD? JUST THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THEM PAY 100% IF WE COULD GET THEM TO AGREE WITH THAT. YEP. SO I CAN 27 AND BEYOND. SO I CAN ASSUME THIS IS FULLY FUNDED AND THEN IT DOESN'T COME OUT OF THAT GROWTH FUNDING OKAY. SO THAT PUTS ANOTHER 33,000 INTO THAT NUMBER. THIS MAKES IT A WELL WE CAN'T REALLY SPEND IT I MEAN WE REALLY CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S ONGOING. BUT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT IT NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE IT THIS YEAR, WE DON'T HAVE IT NEXT YEAR. AND THEN WE LIKE ARE REALLY IN A HOLE THE NEXT YEAR.

SO I DON'T I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN KEEP SPENDING IT. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF AGGRESSIVE OF ME AND I DIDN'T MEAN THIS THAT WAY. I JUST UNDERSTAND IT. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE AS JOHN SAID, WE'RE REALLY ASKING OUR TOURISTS TO PAY THE 100% THAT THAT'S OUR NEW POLICY BASED ON WHAT WE DID. IF THEY SAY NO AND IF THEY SAY NO, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WELL, IF THEY SAY THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, RIGHT? DOES IT MUST WE CAN PUT I MEAN, WE SHOULD DO IT EITHER WAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M LEAVING IT IN THERE I WOULD. SO SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE INCLUDING THOSE TWO POSITIONS IN THE GROWTH FUNDING OR SORRY, THE LIBRARY. AND THEN THE ONE POSITION THAT'S PARTIALLY FUNDED AND THEN THE REST JUST HELD IN CONTINGENCY FOR THE GENERAL FUND. ARE THERE ANY UPDATES OR CHANGES WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON THE ONE TIME FUNDING AVAILABLE? WHEN YOU SAY CONTINGENCY, DO YOU MEAN NON-DEPARTMENTAL? YES.

OKAY. IN YOUR CONVERSATION WITH THE PEOPLE AT THE ZOO, KATIE AND CASEY, AND WHAT ABOUT THAT ZOOKEEPER? SURE YOU'RE STILL IN FAVOR OF? I MEAN, LOOK, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE DUE I

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IT'S GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT'S BECOMING AVAILABLE. YES. OH, OKAY. YEAH. YOU CAN SPLIT IT THREE WAYS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE USED FOR THE POLICE STATION IN CASE OF FIRE AND THE STREETS OR POLICE. JUST SAYING THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN BREAK UP THAT THAT $1 MILLION AND THE REASON IT'S

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BUT I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. WE BUILD THE SHOOTING RANGE INSTEAD OF THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE HALFWAY THERE. I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE SHOOTING NUMBERS BUILT OUT AND COMPLETED THAN AS FUND MULTIPLE PROJECTS HALFWAY AND NONE OF US GET NONE OF US GET COMPLETE. NONE OF THE CITY PROJECTS ARE PROJECTS, BUT CITY PROJECTS GET FINALIZED. SO IT IS A PRIORITY. IT'S A PRIORITY IN MY PERSONNEL. BETWEEN THAT, WHEN YOU TALK TO FIREFIGHTERS OUT ONLINE, THEY ASK ABOUT STORAGE FACILITY ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEY ASK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO STAFF THE STATION. THOSE ARE THE NUMBER TWO. THOSE ARE ONE AND TWO RIGHT OUT OF THE CHUTE EVERY TIME THAT YOU TALK TO ANYBODY. AND SO AND PART OF IT IS JUST WE'RE PLAYING JENGA RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT, BUT IT'S ALL NECESSARY. IT'S ALL NEEDED. BUT WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT OF SPACE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. AND SO WE THINK THAT THE BUILD WILL BE CHEAPER. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LIKE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC WORKS TO GET THAT BID OUT THERE AND SEE ACTUALLY WHAT THE TRUE COST IS. WE'VE GOT ESTIMATES FROM 1.2 MILLION TO 2.1 MILLION. SO SOFT QUOTES. WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS. WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER WHEN THERE'S A CONTRACTOR ON SITE. THEY'RE GOING TO OBVIOUSLY WANT TO BID IT. AND THEN ALL THE SITE WORK IS DONE, ALL THE PREP IS COMPLETED, ALL IT IS, IS, IS CONCRETE AND A SHELL NOW. SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO COME IN LOWER THAN THE HIGH ESTIMATE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. WE DO HAVE IMPACT FEE AND WILDLAND MONIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO TOWARDS IT AS WELL. BUT WE'RE GOING TO COME UP AROUND THAT HALF $1 MILLION FOR PROPERTIES. WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING. SO YEAH, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CFP MILLION DIVIDING THAT UP FOR THIS. I'M TALKING ABOUT TAKING ANOTHER 1% AND FOREGO FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. SO THESE ARE BIG CHUNKS. WHAT ABOUT THE MAYBES. DO YOU WANT TO WEDGE THE MAYBES IN THERE, OR DO YOU WANT TO STICK WITH THE BIG CHUNKS.

AND PULL IN WHATEVER ONE TIME FOREGONE AND THEN DONE. OR DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE MAINS OR ANY REVISIT ANY OTHER CUTS? FOR HALF A MILLION THAT. MOST OF THE CUTS, HOWEVER, WOULDN'T BE SATISFIED BY THE ONE TIME BALLOT. DOES IT HAVE TO? AND IT HAS TO BE FOR CAPITAL ONE TIME.

THE 3% FOREGONE HAS TO BE FOR CAPITAL. YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, I'M JUST LAYING MY CARDS ON THE TABLE. I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THE 1% ONE TIME FOREGONE LIKE YEAH. SO LIKE THAT'S JUST MY CARDS ALL OUT ON THE TABLE. I WON'T I WON'T VOTE FOR THAT. YEAH. I MEAN I'LL DO THE I'LL DO THE ONGOING FOREGONE BECAUSE IT ADDS TO THE BASE. BUT I THINK THAT THAT THAT JUST TAKING I'M ALREADY NOT IN LOVE WITH THE 1% FOREGONE JUST AS A PRINCIPLE. BUT WE'RE IN A TIGHT BUDGET. BUT TO ADD TO IT, I JUST THINK IT'S NOT. NOT FOR ME. I'M ON THE LISA. IT'S ALL GOOD. I KNOW WE'RE NOT AND WE'RE GOOD FRIENDS AND I'M. AND SO I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M A LITTLE I'M A LITTLE FOGGY NOW. WITHOUT THE 500,000. WHAT GETS GETS TAKEN OUT OR WHAT GETS ADDED WITH IT. RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SAID YES TO IS FUNDED. THE MAYBES ARE NOT. AND WE STILL HAVE 431,000 OF ONE TIME MONEY. NOT IT IS NOT. LET'S CLARIFY WHAT THE YESES ARE. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU WANT TO LOOK BACK AT YOUR LIST THAT HAS THE MAYBE

[03:15:04]

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE CAN GO. OKAY? OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE MAYBES. THE TRAILER FOR POLICE, THE UPGRADE TO THE DORMS AT STATIONS ONE AND FOUR, THE ZOO KEEPER, THE AQUATIC CENTER LOCKERS AND THE PINECREST CLUBHOUSE, WHICH THAT ONE WE WERE GOING TO ABSORB. SO NOT THAT ONE. AND THE ZOOKEEPER IS AN ONGOING RIGHT? CORRECT. THAT WOULD NEED TO COME OUT OF THE GROWTH FUNDING. BUT THOSE TOTAL LESS THAN 432 OR WHATEVER. YEAH. YES. THIS TOTALS 134,000. ABOUT 300,000. ALL YOUR MAYBES TO YESES. THEN YOU STILL HAVE ABOUT 300,000 LEFT OVER. YES. WE'LL MAKE ALL THOSE. YES. OKAY. AND THEN LET'S LOOK ONE MORE TIME AT THE LIST AND SEE WHAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT INCLUDED. SO. SO THAT STILL LEAVES US WITH 236,700 OR 200. SORRY. AND WHAT, WHAT'S WHAT'S A WHAT'S STILL UNFUNDED. THESE ARE THE UNFUNDED THE BATTALION CHIEF STATION REMODEL, THE HERITAGE PARK PARKING LOT TWO, PHASE TWO AND THE ADD TO FLEET VEHICLES. AND THEN THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE HAD PARKS AND GOLF ABSORB INTO THEIR BUDGETS. I JUST WANT TO KEEP THE STATUS QUO ON THESE DECISIONS FOR THESE ITEMS. WE HAD 232 LEFT. YOU SAID CORRECT. OKAY.

236 236. THREE NOS. AND TWO LEFT TO ABSORB IN HERITAGE PARK. CAN WE? YES. THAT'S A HARD ONE.

YEAH. SO YOU CAN SPEND THOSE OTHER THREE. RATHER THAN HAVING THEM ABSORB INTO THEIR BUDGETS OR NOT FUND THEM. SO WE SAID THAT THE BATTALION CHIEF STATION WASN'T EVEN THERE. NOT EVEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN HIRE MAKE THE HIRE TO DO THE NO. SO THAT COULD BE A HARD NO THEN.

HARD NO. OKAY. IS THAT NO. WHAT ABOUT THE MULE? YES. STILL ABSORB IT OR FUND IT? FUND IT.

THAT'S WHY I JUST TRY IT. SEE? OKAY. YOU CAN'T TRY IT. IT'S MATH. IT'S GOING TO FIT. THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR IT. THIS TEST ITEM. AND ANOTHER AREA THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS KIND OF REPLENISHING STREETS FOR SOME STREET MAINTENANCE. WHILE IT WOULD BE ONE TIME MONEY, IT WOULD BE THAT YEAR YOU COULD DO MORE THAN WHAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD. OKAY. WOW. SO WE STILL HAVE AT LEAST 200,000 OUT OF THE 675. MORE THAN THAT, CORRECT? YEAH. YOU'VE GOT 236,000 BACK IN THE STREETS OFFSET THEIR COSTS OUT OF THAT ONE TIME MONEY THAT COULD BE USED. BUILDING TERMITE INTEREST. DO I HEAR YESES TO THAT OR IS THAT A SINGLE. CHECKERS PIECES AROUND. SO WE

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SO I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M LOOKING TO YOU, I GUESS. PJ FOR OR DIRECTOR HOME FOR AN ANSWER ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW RIGHT NOW WHERE ZOO EVEN SITS WHEN WE LOOK AT THEIR BUDGET. WE ARE TRACKING JUST ABOUT WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOR TO HIT OUR REVENUES. BUT IT'S ALWAYS IT COMES DOWN TO WEATHER AND IT COMES DOWN TO THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON. BUT WE ARE TRACKING RIGHT NOW, TO BE EXACT, WHERE WE SHOULD BE. OKAY, WHEN YOU SAY TRACKING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REVENUE, RIGHT? YES. PERCENTAGES AS WE GO. PERCENTAGES. ARE THERE ANY EXPENSES THAT ARE WORTH TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE OUT OF WHACK OR UP OR DOWN OR WHAT WAS BUDGETED? I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW WITH WITH THE ZOO IS PROBABLY FUNLAND, THAT IT'S THAT IT'S NOT TRACKING FOR REVENUE LIKE WE THOUGHT. AND THAT IS THAT IS WHERE OUR REVENUE PROBABLY IS, IS GOING TO BE SHORTENED. BUT THAT'S THE SOFT SPOT. AND IS THAT IN THE BUT BUT THAT'S COUNTED IN THE BUDGET FOR REVENUE. SO OVERALL REVENUE WILL BE SHORT. PROBABLY. PROBABLY SO.

BUT WITH THAT EXPENSES ARE ALSO WE HAVEN'T HAVEN'T SPENT NEARLY WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD ON FUNLAND AS THAT HAS NOT PROGRESSED THROUGH STAFFING HAS BEEN PULLED BACK. AND I THINK EXPENSES THAT. SO I THINK YOU INCLUDE THE MULE OUT OF THESE ONE TIMES. YES OR WAIT AND SEE.

WE'LL MAKE THAT A MAYBE 1500. YES, YES. SOUNDS IMPORTANT I KNOW. I'M JUST I JUST KNOW ON THAT I CONTINUE TO BE A NO. I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT, THAT THE ONES WHO CAME FORWARD WITH ASKS, I FIND TO HOLD ON TO SOME MONEY AND SEE THINGS MATERIALIZE, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ALL OF IT, AND IT WILL SET US UP BETTER NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. I'M THEN WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE CUTS THAT WE MADE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET ACTUALLY DID TO AFFECT US. OKAY, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. MY OPINION IS TO PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A VERY BIG EXPENSE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR THEM. SO WE GOT THE IMPACTFUL SMALL AMOUNT FOR KEEPING IT IN THERE. IT'S 12,500. WE COULD HAVE AT LEAST LIKE YOU ALWAYS SAY THAT'S PENNIES IN THIS BUDGET I KNOW. IT'S JUST SO, SO NUTS TO BE. DO WE HAVE AN OPINION FROM LARSON AND BRADFORD? SEE HE'S HE'S ON BUT I THINK HE'S IN A BAD SERVICE AREA. YOU SHOULD I'D BE INCLINED TO TRY AND FIND A WAY TO. TELL THE ZOO TO FIGURE IT OUT. NO. JUST KIND OF KEEP IT IN THERE AND SEE WHAT WE KNOW. YOU MEAN, GO AHEAD AND GO FORWARD WITH IT. YOU'RE THE. YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR. YOU'RE IT. IT'S ALL THE PRESSURE ON YOU. WELL, IT IS $12,500, SO. SO WHAT? YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T WE HAVE A CATEGORY THAT SAYS IF WE IF WE FIND THE MONEY, WE CAN SPEND, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY CONCEPT. YEP. THAT'S HOW WE GO IN THERE. KIND OF WHAT THIS IS RIGHT HERE. IT'S LIKE EITHER IT EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT OR YOU'RE NOT. IT'S KIND OF THAT CAPACITY.

RIGHT. YOU MAY NOT SPEND IT. WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU SAID I THOUGHT CAPACITY WAS EQUATED TO MONEY. WE'D DO IT. AND THEN YOU SAID NO EITHER. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I MEAN THESE.

IF WE DON'T IF THIS COUNTY MONEY DOESN'T MATERIALIZE, WE'RE ALL BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, RIGHT? SO HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT WE SAY RIGHT NOW, GIVEN THAT THE COUNTY MONE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR DECISION AND PUBLISH OUR FIRST NOTICE OF THE TENTATIVE BUDGET BEFORE WE GET COUNTY DOLLARS, THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE FLY IN THE OINTMENT. I MEAN,

[03:25:04]

SO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE FEE SCHEDULE THERE. SO WE NEED TO PROBABLY INCREASE THAT FEE OKAY $0.50 ROOM. SO AND THAT YOU THINK THAT WILL DO IT OR I MEAN IS THAT BACK. IS THAT NAPKIN MATH OR IS THAT THAT IS THAT IS NAPKIN MATH. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THE DAY, AS I SAID.

YEAH, BUT I THINK WE ARE. THAT WILL GET US OUR 56,000 PLUS IF THAT. IF WE PUT IT INTO THE FEES THEN IT'S INCOME, THEN IT CAN JUST BE PART OF OPERATIONS AND IT CAN MOVE THIS COMPLETELY INTO INTO THAT. WE WOULD PUT THE EXPENDITURE CAPACITY ON THEIR BUDGET BECAUSE THERE'S AN OFFSETTING EXPECTED REVENUE. SO WE DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT THAT WAY. SO WHAT WHAT BUDGET YEAR ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALLY BUILD IT. THIS YEAR. THIS COMING YEAR 2020 WE'RE LOOKING AT YEAH.

OKAY. SO MY REASONING PARTLY IS PAYING FOR THE MULE AT THE ZOO HELPS TO OFFSET THAT. WE'RE NOT GETTING THEM. WE'RE MAKING THEM FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT OTHER ZOOKEEPER. AND WE NEED TO DO A LONG FIVE YEAR ANALYSIS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO WHAT WE WANT TO COMMIT TO THE ZOO AND HOW MUCH THEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FEES AND WHY. BUT I THINK THAT'S A LONGER TERM THING. RIGHT AFTER WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH $4 MILLION FOR SELF-INSURANCE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. I'M JUST AND AFTER WE FIGURE OUT THE LIFE SUSTAINABILITY, THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARY IS FIRST ON THAT LIST. AND THE NEW ROOF. AND THE AND THE 9 TO 12 PERSONNEL AND THE NINE. RIGHT. WELCOME TO 2027. DON'T FORGET THE MILLION IN THE STREETS. OKAY? YOU HAD TO. GET THERE BEFORE. RIGHT? SO HE'S NOT GREEDY. HE JUST WANTS TO GET BACK TO 84. OKAY. SO AFTER THOSE CHANGES WE HAVE 224,000 LEFT IN THE ONE TIME FUNDING POTENTIAL AVAILABLE. WE DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND IT. BUT IS THERE A DESIRE TO ALLOCATE ANYTHING TO THOSE FUNDING SOURCES? I SAY IT GOES TO STREETS TO OFFSET THAT CUT. I THINK IF THE MEDICAID MONEY DOESN'T COME IN, WE NEED IT FOR MURPH, FOR THE AMBULANCES. BUT WE WON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MEDICAID MONEY. BUT IT'S ONE TIME. SO STREETS I GUESS ONE TIME. RIGHT? BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL APRIL.

WE'LL KNOW WHAT OUR ESTIMATE IS. OH, WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL APRIL. APRIL? WE WON'T GET OUR

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SO WE'VE GOT BASICALLY INTERESTED IN LOWERING THAT'S WHAT THE 500,000 I DON'T KNOW.

ANYWAY. SO WE'VE GOT BASICALLY 1% OF THE 3% CAP. WE'VE GOT NONE OF THE 1%. RIGHT. THAT. MONEY.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THE REGULAR 3%. STATUTORILY. YEAH. SO THE ONE TIME MONEY'S AVAILABLE. YEAH. WELL WE COULD USE UP TO A MILLION OF THE 3% FOREGONE, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 2%. WE HAVE 50,000 LEFT OF THE COP FUNDING. OKAY. AND WE HAVE 173,000 OF THE POWER REPAYMENT STILL AVAILABLE ON THE POWER REPAYMENT IS A ONE TIME CORRECT. ALL OF THESE THREE ARE ONE TIME. SO I HEARD A 24 OKAY. THAT INCLUDES. THAT INCLUDES THE FOREGONE. YEAH. AND I JUST KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS THAT IF WE DON'T NEED THE $500,000, WE SHOULDN'T TAKE IT AND WE SHOULD LEAVE IT IN THERE, THEN WE CAN USE IT FOR ONGOING STUFF IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE STILL 724. WE'VE GOT 224,000 LEFT OVER AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS EXERCISE. MY VIEW ON THAT IS WE'RE BANKING ON NINE YEARS TO RUN THAT DOWN AT 1% A YEAR, AND SOME YEARS WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY TAKING IT. WHO KNOWS? BUT YOU GOT $6 MILLION TICKET AT 1% AT NINE YEARS BEFORE IT'S USED UP. SIX. SO DURING THAT NINE YEARS, I DON'T SPEAK TOO LOUDLY, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE. I THINK IT'S CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, AS HANGING OVER TAXPAYERS HEADS THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO SAY NO, YEAH. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT. YOU DIDN'T SPEND IT TEN, 15 YEARS AGO. YOU'RE GONE.

AND AT THAT POINT WE'VE LOST IT ALL. WHEREAS WE DO HAVE A SPECIFIC CAPITAL PROJECT THIS YEAR THAT THAT SHOULD BE FUNDED, THAT'S ALREADY LINED UP WITH SOME FUNDING FOR IT. SO IT'S NOT FUNDING THE WHOLE BUILDING. YEAH. AND IT'S, IT'S A NEED THAT WE COULD TAKE CARE OF NOW, WHICH WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF NEXT YEAR. SO. BUT WHY WOULDN'T YOU LOWER IT TO 300? BECAUSE SINCE THERE'S 224 LEFT, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT TO KEEP THE STREET MAINTENANCE UP. OKAY.

THANKS. BUT WE HAVE MONEY FROM POWER IS ALLOCATED. OKAY, SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE MONEY FROM POWER. SO THAT WILL BE ONGOING PROBABLY FOR THE NEXT. THAT WILL BE A SOURCE OF ONGOING MONEY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. BUT THE REASON THAT WE'RE JUST USING WHATEVER THE AMOUNT IS THIS YEAR IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT PERFECTLY, THE MAP PERFECTLY FITTED, WE ONLY HAVE ESTIMATES ON THAT. AND SO WE ARE TAKING A VERY CONSERVATIVE PIECE OF THAT. BUT FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU BREAK IT UP, YOU CAN HAVE ONGOING MONEY FROM POWER FOR BACK CARE AND MAINTENANCE OF PARKS FACILITIES THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THE. CURRENT. REC PLAN, BUT THAT WERE NOT ACTUALLY FUNDED POWER TO PARKS. SO THERE IS THAT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT I DIDN'T EITHER. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD. THAT'S WHY THE 675 IS. YEAH, BUT I THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE YEARS OF THAT. 675 WELL, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT TWO THAT AT CURRENT RATES IT'S ABOUT 430,000 A YEAR FOR THE FOR THE FACILITIES THAT WE'VE MAINTAINED FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS A NUMBER THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT FOR DEVELOPED THAT IT HASN'T BEEN SCOURED FOR. WHAT FREEMAN PARK, JOHNS HOLE AND SOUTH TOURIST. IT'S ABOUT 430. THOSE WERE WRITTEN INTO THE PLAN THAT WE'RE UNDER CURRENTLY. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE BEING VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR THOSE FERC PROMISES AND OBLIGATIONS, PROMISES GOING FORWARD AND OBLIGATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD

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I JUST DON'T KNOW THE PICTURE YET OF THE DETAILS. SO, KURT, DID YOU VOTE FOR THE MULE? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I'LL TAKE THE HIT ON YOU. SO WHAT ABOUT ANYONE HAVE ANY INTEREST IN 500,000 OR THE STORAGE BUILDING? YES. NO. IT'S THOSE NUMBERS. IT'S NOT RIGHT. YEAH, I IT'S IN OUR WE HAVE IT PLANNED IN THE FIRE CAPITAL FUND, ASSUMED TO BE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES AND WILDLAND. BUT IT'S ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT. SO THEY'D HAVE TO KIND OF MAYBE START IT END OF NEXT YEAR OR THE NEXT YEAR. SO THE MONEY'S THERE AT IMPACT FEES OR NOT YET. IT'S NOT YET. OKAY. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LAWSUIT. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL MONEY.

YEAH. NOT YET. IT'S NOT THERE YET. NOT THERE YET. BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE EXISTING FUNDING TO FUND THE NORTH FIRE STATION, AND SO THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH TO DO THE OVERSEEING IMPACT FEES, KIND OF LEVELING OFF, MAYBE EVEN THEIR LEVEL. YEAH. THEIR LEVEL. OKAY. THIS IS WHAT I SEE. I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS IS LEGAL, BUT ONE OF THE IDEAS IS THAT THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR JUST KEEPS ON GOING AND FINISHES THIS. SO IT'S A SAVINGS LONG TERM. TO GET IT DONE IN 26. SO I KNOW THIS IS AN UNANSWERED QUESTION THAT HAS NO ANSWER, BUT I'M STILL LOOKING AT OTHER PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE SACRIFICED. AND I APPRECIATE WHERE ASKING THE FIRE TO SACRIFICE. AND THEY STEPPED UP. BUT LIKE STREETS AND OTHER THINGS WHICH AGAIN, PENNY WISE AND POUND FOOLISH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MONEY TO PUT WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO BUILD A BUILDING OR PUT SOME MONEY BACK IN THE STREETS OR. WHAT. I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS OUT THERE I'M NOT MENTIONING. SO WHERE'S THE CUTS LIST? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS ON YOUR COMPUTER BOOKS? YEAH, AND WE SHOULD JUST EYEBALL IT FOR WHATEVER REASON. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY NOTES FROM THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, ALTHOUGH I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT IT. IS THERE I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'LL BRING UP WITH THAT IS MY NUMBERS ARE RIGHT. FIRES FROM 20 2023 FIRES DOWN, ABOUT A MILLION FROM ITS OPERATIONS, NOT THE WHOLE BUDGET FOR FIRE OPERATIONS. ALBANY IS

[03:40:01]

AND MY WAY OFF. PROBABLY CLOSE. OKAY. SO IT'S THEY'VE BEEN ABSORBING CUTS OVER IN OPERATIONS. NOT ENOUGH TOTAL BUDGET BUT THEY'VE BEEN ABSORBING CUTS TO KEEP OPERATIONS GOING WHICH IS WHY. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO SAY 500,000 MORE RIGHT NOW FOR FIRE WHEN WE'RE CUTTING EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IN THE LONG TERM, THERE HAVE BEEN ONGOING CUTS BY FIRE TO TRY TO HOLD HERE AND THERE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT STREETS IS DOWN RIGHT NOW IS JUST ABOUT STREET MAINTENANCE. YEAH. YEAH. OF WHAT WAS 4 MILLION IS NOW THREE. OKAY. OKAY. I GOTTA STAND UP. SO DO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL OF NOT USING WHAT'S LEFT? I CAN LIVE WITH 1%. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 500, WHICH IS BASICALLY 1% OF THE 3% OF THE 3% OF THE 3%. YEAH. EVEN BEFORE USING UP THE REST OF THE COP OR THE POWER REPAYMENT.

THAT'S THE PART THAT MAKES ME SCRATCH MY HEAD. WHY ARE WE IGNORING THAT? I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE 224,000 LEFT THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S LIKE LISA SAID, THAT'S MONEY THAT WE OUGHT TO NOT DESIGNATE RIGHT NOW AND SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY IS, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PLAYING WITH IMAGINARY NUMBERS. BUT YEAH, WE WANT TO COMMIT TO A HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING.

WELL, WE'RE NOT REALLY COMMITTING EVERYTHING. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY MAKING A FULL COMMITMENT TODAY. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT THERE'S A LOT MORE VOTES AFTER THIS, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, THERE'S TIME TO. WELL, YEAH, THE THING IS, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO CAPACITY TO NONE. YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO FAST. YEAH. WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT. IF WE TAKE FOREGONE WE'LL HAVE TO ANNOUNCE IT. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET. WE HAVE TO PUBLISH BEFORE WE GET THE, THE COUNTY NUMBERS. AND WE COULD PUT THE FIVE THE BUILDING IN CAPACITY. YES. NO. WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE FOREGONE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO POST BASICALLY THAT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE THE FOREGONE. WE WOULD BE DOING THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK. IT WOULD REQUIRE A HEARING AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED STARTING AUGUST 2ND. YES. BUT THE THING ABOUT TAKING THAT AT ONE TIME FOREGONE IS THAT IT MUST BE ALLOCATED TO CAPITAL AND THERE'S A READY CAPITAL PROJECT, WHEREAS THESE OTHER DOLLARS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT OUT YET DON'T HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED TO CAPITAL.

THEREFORE, THEY COULD BE GIVEN TO STREETS OR THEY COULD BE GIVEN TO SOMETHING ELSE CAPITAL PROJECT. AND SO THAT WAS THE THAT'S THE MAGNETISM FOR THOSE TWO GO TOGETHER. BUT YOU COULD ALSO CHANGE YOUR MIND AFTER GETTING THE REAL NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY AND AT THE HEARING SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE THE HEARING BECAUSE WE'VE DETERMINED THAT WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THIS ANYMORE. AND ALL OF THESE ITEMS, ALL OF THESE ITEMS COULD BE LOADED INTO JUST CONTINGENCY CAPACITY. WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THEM. IT JUST GIVES YOU THE AUTHORITY AND NOT HAVING TO REOPEN THE BUDGET. IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THOSE THINGS IN, IT WOULD JUST BE MOVING BUDGET AROUND. WOULD YOU ALSO TELL YOU THAT IN THE TIME THAT I HAVE SERVED AS MAYOR, SO THIS WOULD BE 12 YEARS, WE HAVE NEVER OPENED A BUDGET. WE HAVE HAD THREE HEARINGS THAT REOPEN OUR FEES, BUT WE'VE NEVER REOPENED A BUDGET. AND PART OF THAT IS IN RECENT YEARS THE USE OF CONTINGENCY VERY ARTFULLY AND CAREFULLY. NOT NOT IT SOUNDS OFTEN AS WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. OH, WE'LL JUST PUT A CONTINGENCY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST GOING TO TOSS EVERYTHING IN THERE LIKE IT'S SOME MAGICAL BOX. IT'S IT IS THOUGHTFULLY DONE BY FINANCE, BUT JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT IN CASE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS SUCH AN EXTRAORDINARY YEAR THAT OPENING A BUDGET MID MID CYCLE OR WHATEVER SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN OFF THE TABLE. AS LISA HAD SAID EARLIER, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO NOT TIE YOUR HANDS AND IT'S NOT. I SAY IT AS A POINT OF FACT TO CLARIFY, NOT AS A POINT OF PRIDE. I'M NOT LIKE WE'VE NEVER HAD OPEN BUDGETS. WHAT I'VE BEEN AROUND, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S MORE DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, RECENTLY, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO DO IT. SO I JUST HAD PEOPLE WHO HAVE. SEEN OR THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE BUDGET AND THEY HAVE SEEN LIKE WE HAD 30 MILLION IN WITH POLICE FOR THREE YEARS IN A ROW. AND SO THEN IT FELT LIKE THE QUESTION TO ME WAS, HOW COULD YOU HOW COME YOU SPENT 90 MILLION ON THE POLICE STATION? AND IT'S JUST, OH, WELL, THAT WAS JUST CAPACITY OR THAT WAS JUST CONTINGENCY. AND SO TO TRY AND KEEP EXPLAINING THAT IT'S WE KNOW THE MONEY ISN'T GOING TO BE THERE. LIKE LET'S OR WE KNOW WE'RE NOT

[03:45:07]

SO. BOTH OF YOU WERE SITTING ON NOT TAKING THE 500,000. YEAH I'M WAFFLING. YOU'RE IN THE ONE. THE 1% OF THE 3%. THE 1%. THAT'S THAT'S. NO, YOU'RE. NO ON THAT. YEAH. I'M YOU'RE A NO. I CAN SEE THE REASON YOU WANT TO DO IT. SO YEAH I'M, I'M I'M STILL UNDECIDED. OKAY. AND I. THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO TAKE IT. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, GOOD REASONS NOT TO TAKE IT. SO I IF WE KEEP THE DOOR OPEN ON IT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND ACT AS IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT. AND IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE WITH ADVERTISING AND THAT KIND OF THING, YOU YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMIT YOURSELF UNTIL THE EITHER. THE HEARING, WHICH WOULD BE WELL AFTER THE VOTE, THE COUNTY DOLLARS NUMBERS COME IN OR UNTIL THE FINAL VOTE ON THE NIGHT OF THE 28TH OF AUGUST. SO YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM ON BEING CERTAIN ABOUT IT. IT. I HOPE IT DOESN'T MAKE US LOOK WISHY WASHY TO, YOU KNOW, START DOWN A PATH AND THEN CHANGE YOUR MIND. BUT IT'S AN EASY EXPLANATION TO THE PUBLIC IS WE DON'T HAVE FINAL NUMBERS. IT'S JUST A MISMATCH IN TERMS OF HOW OUR PROCESS WORKS AND HOW THE COUNTY PROCESS WORKS. BUT THAT IS A WAY TO KEEP THE DOOR OPEN. YEAH, PUT IT IN MY QUESTION. WHERE ELSE DO WE GET RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT, I SEE. AND IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO EXTEND THIS CONTRACT, SO TO SPEAK, IT'S MORE ECONOMICAL TO DO IT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO FACE THIS PROBLEM IN 2027 IS GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK IN FRONT OF US. YEAH. AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A SITUATION WE'VE NEVER DEALT WITH BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF INCOME FOR THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE USED TO DEPEND ON, WE HAVE TO START BEING A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE.

GOOD POINT, GOOD POINT. SO. YOU CAN'T VOTE. MAYBE IN THE END. OKAY. IT'S JUST SITTING OUT THERE. HOW WOULD YOU DO. WELL, LEAVE IT IN THERE. STILL. ISN'T THERE STILL A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE POWER MONEY THAT'S NOT BEEN ALLOCATED? IT'S NOT BEEN ASSIGNED YET. WE HAVE 173,000 OF THAT FUNDING ON. WHAT DO WE EXPECT TO HAVE HAPPEN TO THAT? WELL, OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO IDENTIFY BECAUSE THAT'S ONE POSSIBILITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO KEEP THE STREETS FROM FALLING BEHIND IN THEIR IN IN A SYSTEM THAT HAS WORKED REALLY, REALLY WELL. AND I MEAN, IT'S A TOUGH YEAR AND EVERYBODY HAS TO TAKE THEIR HIT. BUT IF THERE'S MONEY SITTING ON THE TABLE, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FIND TAKE $500,000 IN FOREGONE CAPITAL FOREGONE AND STILL NOT DISCUSSING THOSE OTHER FUNDS. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO STREETS OR THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO HELPING WITH MURPH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, I GUESS, AND SEE, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT THAT LINE OUT THERE IN THIS INITIAL BUDGET THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE 500,000, THAT'S A THAT'S A NUMBER. IT'S A BIG NUMBER. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. AND A COMMENT.

[03:50:03]

AMBULANCES. THAT'S AN ONGOING. SO IT DOESN'T HELP THAT MUCH. AND THEN PERSONNEL THAT'S ONGOING. SO IT DOESN'T HELP THAT MUCH. SO WHAT. BUT IF WE FIND NEW MONEY IN THE BUDGET, IT IS ONGOING MONEY. SO WHAT WHERE WHERE DO YOU WANT TO ALLOCATE IT? WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THAT. SORRY. NOT YET. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE ONGOING WISH LIST AND THE ONE TIME WISH LIST. OR THINGS THAT I WOULD. I WOULD JUST FUND THE ROOF AT PINE CREST AND CALL IT GOOD, NOT RAISE RATES. YOU WOULD FUND WHAT? THE ROOF OF PINE CREST. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD DO THE FEES ON THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK WE COVERED IT. IT IS ALREADY COVERED NOW IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE PJS COULD MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO HIS FEES. YEAH.

CHECK. DONE. WELL, I GUESS I'LL JUST SHOOT OFF THE CUFF AND SAY STREETS WOULD BE IMPORTANT. THAT PARTICULARLY BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT MORE MONEY POSSIBLY COMING AT ONE TIME MONEY PER YEAR FROM POWER TO KIND OF KEEP STREETS AS WHOLE AS POSSIBLE. IT WOULD BE MY FIRST ONE TIME MONEY ONGOING. I WOULD LOOK BACK AT THE STAFFING. YEAH, I'M I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING IT HAS TO BE WHOLE FOR STREETS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE.

THAT WOULD BE BETTER SPENT, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE STREETS. BUDGET. WHAT ABOUT THE LIBRARY? IS THERE MORE WE COULD DO FOR THE LIBRARY? WELL, I THINK THE LIBRARY AND THE ZOO. I JUST GOT TO SEE A BETTER PLAN FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. I THINK THE BOARD OF THE LIBRARY AND COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO CAN HAMMER THAT OUT AND GET A DIRECTION GOING PRETTY EASILY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. I THINK THE ZOO IS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH OF THE GENERAL FUND REALLY BELONGS THERE AND HOW MUCH DOESN'T, AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT SO WE DON'T KEEP COMING BACK WITH, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY, WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT.

SO I REALLY WANT TO TAKE A LONG LOOK AT ZOO BEFORE WE DECIDE LONGER TERM, HOW TO HOW WE FUND THEM, RATHER THAN PUT THE MONEY IN. ALL RIGHT. NOW UNTIL WE FIND OUT. THAT'S MY VIEW. I LIKE THE PLAN IDEA. I WANT TO SEE THE PLAN. OKAY. I'M GOING TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE NOW. BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SPITBALL A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, WE BUILT THE SPLASH PAD AND A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE. WE USE ONE IN A DIFFERENT PART, PART OF TOWN. JUST INTRODUCING THE IDEA. SAY THAT AGAIN. ANOTHER SPLASH PAD IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR TWO. YEAH. IT'S IN THE OFFICE. I KNOW WE CAN'T FUND THE STUFF WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW VERY WELL I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR. YOU MEAN IF YOU HAVE 5 MILLION? YEAH. IT WAS. WE'RE HAVING A WISH LIST. EXPLAIN THE AMBULANCES SITUATION THAT LISA ALLUDED TO. SO WHEN WE MOVED TWO PERSONNEL OFF THE GENERAL FUND TO HELP BALANCE

[03:55:07]

RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY DIRECTORS WHO HAVE MADE CUTS THAT THAT CAUSED YOUR DEPARTMENT TO BLEED, AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GIVE VOICE TO THOSE TODAY? WELL, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL SERVICES CUT ALMOST $200,000 AND WE WERE NOT GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT ANYTHING BACK ON THE LIST BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET, AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, IN OUR PRIORITY, OF COURSE, WAS THE UTILITY CUSTOMER SERVICE POSITION JUST BECAUSE OF GROWTH AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DO WITH WITH THE CUTS THAT WE SUBMITTED TO BALANCE THE BUDGET ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE.

SO THE 200,000 CONSISTED OF 180,000. IT WAS A COUPLE OF OUR ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC OVER AT OUR TREASURER'S OFFICE, OVER AT OUR UTILITY BILLING OFFICE, WE CUT SOME OUR CONSULTANT MONEY FROM BUILDING MAINTENANCE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS IF SOMEONE IS LOOKING AT BUYING A BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE USUALLY HIRE STRUCTURAL ANALYSTS TO COME IN AND LOOK AT IT. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ANY APPRAISALS THAT WE'VE PAID FOR IN THE PAST. YOU GOT MY LIST UP.

WE? YEAH. YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR ELECTRICIAN POSITION. YEAH. WE REDUCED OUR OUR FTE COUNT BY ONE ELECTRICIAN BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RECRUIT TO HIRE AN ELECTRICIAN BASED ON WHAT THE CITY WAS OFFERING AS FAR AS A COMPENSATION PACKAGE, WE HAD THAT POSITION VACANT FOR OVER A YEAR AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE CUTTING THAT POSITION AND WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT MORE OUT TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR ELECTRICAL SERVICES OR ELECTRICAL NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. WE ONLY HAVE TWO ELECTRICIANS RIGHT NOW IN-HOUSE. ONE OF THOSE, THE IT CONSULTING I'M SORRY IT CONSULTING. YEAH. WE WERE LOOKING FOR TRYING TO ADD IN AN IT POSITION TO HELP WITH OUR ACCESS ISSUES BECAUSE AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE YOUR ID CARD TO GET INTO DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND THE CITY. THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR IT TEAM TO ADD A POSITION TO FULLY FOCUS ON ACCESS CONTROL ISSUES.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE KIND OF LIMPING ALONG WITH TWO EMPLOYEES AND ACTUALLY HAVING BUILDING MAINTENANCE DO THE LOW VOLTAGE ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL ON IT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE HAVING MORE OF A NEED FOR JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ISSUES WITH CITY BUILDINGS AND PUBLIC ACCESS TO CITY AREAS THAT WE ARE WE WANT MORE CONTROL, ACCESS TO. AND SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE THAT WE GAVE UP. BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ASKED TO. BUDGET CUTS AND TO SEE IF WE COULD MAKE IT WORK. AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. OKAY. HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO BEING DONE. ARE WE DONE. SO WE'VE SAVED SOME OF THE ONE TIME MONEY AND IT IS EARMARKED FOR STREETS. WE LEFT THE 500,000 IN FOR THE 1%. WE DID LEAVE IT IN.

YEAH I WASN'T QUITE SURE. ON THE STRAW POLL OF IT ALL. I DON'T THINK IT WAS. WAS IT EARMARKED FOR STREETS OR WAS IT EARMARKED FOR NON-DEPARTMENTAL. THAT'S THE LAST STATEMENT YOU MADE. LEAVE A NON-DEPARTMENTAL AND SEE HOW IT GOES. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ALLOCATED.

NON-DEPARTMENTAL HAS A DIFFERENT MEANING TO MY OLD BRAIN. YEAH. BUT OKAY. SO IT'S NOT ALLOCATED 23. AND THE THERE IS THE DOOR IS CLOSED FOR LISA ON THE ONE TIME. WHAT IS IT CALLED. NUMBER ONE

[04:00:09]

THE APPEAL OF IT IS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO EXPLAIN ONE THING. YEAH. NO, IT'S OKAY. SO THAT'S DECIDED. OKAY. WHAT OTHER LOOSE ENDS DO WE HAVE? I THINK NOT MANY. OKAY. SO TRANSITIONING AWAY FROM NUMBERS AND MORE TOWARD JUST NEXT STEPS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND PAM, LISTEN

[All Participants]

[04:05:04]

THERE WAS A NOTE, I THINK, IN THE BUDGET BOOK THAT SAID THAT THERE WAS A SLIGHT INCREASE TO THAT BUDGET, SO NARRATIVE IN THE NARRATIVE. SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS TRULY A DECREASE, BECAUSE IF IT WAS INCREASED, THEN I WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT OUT. BUT IT IS A SLIGHT DECREASE. SO I'LL FIND WHERE THAT LANGUAGE IS AND GET IT TO YOU. BROOKS. YEAH, I KNOW WHERE IT IS. I CAN I'LL WORK WITH YOU, YOU KNOW. OKAY. I WHERE IT IS IF ANY OTHERS IF YOU FIND IT IS THE BUDGET BOOK I WOULD ASK THAT YOU NOT REPORT THEM TO BROOKS, THAT YOU EITHER TAKE THEM TO PAM IF THEY'RE PURE BUDGET OR IF THEY ARE NARRATIVE, TAKE THEM TO MARGARET. BUT PAM AND MARGARET ARE BETTER TO ABSORB THOSE. BROOKS. BROOKS IS DOING A LOT. BROOKS HAS A FAMILY THAT SHE DOESN'T SEE MOST NIGHTS THIS MONTH AND NEXT, SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BE COPIED ON THEM SO WE KNOW WHAT CHANGES ARE BEING MADE IF WE RUN A NEW DRAFT. SO I DON'T MIND BEING COPIED. THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH, BUT DON'T EXPECT HER TO REPLY.

OKAY, LET'S SEE. IS THERE ANY OTHER BLUE STONE THAT NEEDS TO BE WRAPPED UP? PAM. NO, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING. ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT LISA BURTONSHAW WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING THE. THE ONE TIME CAPITAL FOREGONE. JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POSITION FOR YOU TO HAVE TAKEN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS OR STATEMENTS OR POINTS THAT ANY OTHER COUNCILOR WANTS TO MAKE? OKAY. THEN WE'LL BE DONE. SORRY, WE'RE WE'RE ADJOURNED

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