WE ALL. HAVE THAT. THE MICROPHONE IS ON. AND SO I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO
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ORDER AND INVITE THE CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTONSHAW. HERE.COUNCILOR RADFORD IS ABSENT. COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. FREEMAN HERE.
COUNCILOR. FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON. I'M GOING TO TURN THAT SOUND UP. HANG ON. TRY THAT AGAIN. COUNCILOR LARSON. I HEARD HIM, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS COULD, SO I WILL WORK ON THAT. BUT HE IS HERE, SO, MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
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AND WELCOME, EVERYBODY TO THE NEXT ITERATION OF OUR BUDGET TUESDAY. SO WE HAVE. TODAY A FULL DAY, BUT IT'S AN ORGANIZED ONE. SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL FLOW REALLY WELL. WE'RE GOING TO[Idaho Falls Public Library Board and Staff]
START OFF WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE LIBRARY. BECAUSE THE LIBRARY IS. OH GOLLY. AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, A SEPARATE BOARD FOR GOVERNANCE. BUT THEIR BUDGET IS VERY MUCH STILL A MATTER FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE PART OF CONSIDERING ALL OF THAT. AND SO ALL OF THE ENTITIES WITH BOARDS USUALLY HAVE SEPARATE MEETINGS. AND SO WE DON'T INCLUDE THEM IN THE FOCUS REPORTS THAT WE ASK ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO GIVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND THE PURPOSE OF THOSE FOCUS REPORTS IS TO HELP THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THAT AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR. A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW REVIEW OF WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT DOES. THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME FOR THE LIBRARY TO DO A FOCUS REPORT WITHIN THE BUDGET SETTING, BECAUSE IT PRETTY MUCH KILLS TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, NOT UNLIKE WHAT PUBLIC WORKS, AIRPORT, AND POWER DO WITH THEIR BOARD MEETINGS. RIGHT AROUND THIS TIME OF YEAR IS FOCUS ON THEIR BUDGET. AND SO THIS IS. BUT IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT PURELY A BUDGET PRESENTATION. IT'S A PRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY DO, WHY THEY DO IT, AND HOW MUCH IT COSTS AND HOW THAT GETS ACCOMPLISHED. AND SO I KNOW THAT DIRECTOR. RIGHT. I'M JUST GOING TO TURN IT TO YOU. YOU BROUGHT YOUR TEAM WITH YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME TO INVITE THEM TO THE TABLE. I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE BOARD MEMBER CLAIRE PACE. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO, WHICH IS HARD WORK. AND IT'S NOT COMPENSATED. AND SHE STEPS UP EVERY WEEK OR EVERY MONTH FORMALLY TO A BOARD MEETING. BUT YOU ALL KNOW THAT IT'S NEVER ONE MEETING A MONTH. IT'S ALWAYS ALL THE PREP AND Q&A AND ISSUES THAT ARISE IN BETWEEN. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. YOU DON'T GET ANY GLORY, NOT EVEN A PARKING SPACE FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. BUT THANK YOU. YEAH. SO STAFF, COME FORWARD AND LET'S DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS AND THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. THANKS. THOSE ARE FOR YOU. SO ON THE BOTTOM, ON THE BOTTOM OF THOSE. JUST TO TURN IT ON. SO THE MEETINGS ARE LIVE STREAMED. AND THIS ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO HEAR A LITTLE BETTER. THESE SEATS AROUND HERE. EVERYBODY DOES NEED TO SPEAK UP WHEN WE MUMBLE. THE PUBLIC CAN'T HEAR OR THE LIVESTREAM DOESN'T PICK UP, BUT IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE OUR PRESENTERS. THEY HAVE TO BE THERE. CAN I JUST ONE FOR YOU? YES. I'D ALSO LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY TO HELP ME KEEP AN EYE ON PJ AND IAN, BECAUSE THEY PROMISE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TALK AND CUT UP AND MAKE JOKES, BUT I CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING, I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING. SUCH A BACK. WE HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE FUN TOGETHER, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. IT'S ALL UP TO YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. HI. THANK YOU. I'M CLAIRE PACE. I AM SO HAPPY TO BE HERE. AND ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE LIBRARY BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR EXTREME GRATITUDE FOR THE CITY'S SUPPORT OF THE LIBRARY. AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, OUR LIBRARY IS A GEM. IT IS A REMARKABLE LIBRARY FOR ANYWHERE. AND FOR A TOWN LIKE IDAHO FALLS. IT'S JUST WONDERFUL. AND WE JUST IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER. SO I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO HEAR ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING AT THE IDAHO FALLS PUBLIC LIBRARY. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW I'M TALKING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE BETH WINSTON HERE, WHO IS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND PROGRAMING. ALICIA STOUT IS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER CHILDREN'S SERVICES. KAREN IS[00:05:01]
OUR IT GUY. FIXES EVERYTHING, AND KIM WAS HIDING IN THE BACKGROUND. SHE IS THE OFFICE MANAGER, SO SHE ALL THE PAGES. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK THEM PLEASE AS THEY COME UP. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE LIKE ME AND YOU TRY TO WAIT TILL WE GET DONE, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO QUESTION US. SO WE'LL JUST START WITH THAT'S LIBRARY MISSION STATEMENT. WE PROVIDE MATERIALS OF POPULAR INTEREST TO THE COMMUNITY, EMPHASIZES ENCOURAGES READING, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. AND I READ THAT TO YOU. YOU CAN DO YOU HAVE THOSE ON YOUR LAPTOPS OR YOU JUST LOOK IT UP HERE. COUNCIL I HAVE IT. IF YOU GO INTO COUNCIL DRIVE YOU CAN SEE IT IF YOU OKAY. YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT TO YOU BECAUSE THAT'S INSULTING TO SOMEBODY'S INTELLIGENCE TO PUT SOMETHING UP ON THE SLIDE AND TRY TO GET TO THEM. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR BIG PROJECT FOR THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE DOING THE BROADWAY ENTRANCE. WHEN WE DO THE LANDSCAPING OUT FRONT, WE HAVE SOME RFQS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FOR A PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPER. BUT IN GENERAL, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS MAKE THAT A USABLE SPACE FOR CHILDREN'S PROGRAMING AND MAYBE AN OUTDOOR SPACE WHERE MOTHERS COULD BRING THEIR SMALL CHILDREN UP TO GO TO THE LIBRARY AND SIT OUT IN A NICE, COMFORTABLE PLACE WHILE THE KIDS PLAY ON SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. AND THEN WE'RE TOYING WITH THE IDEA OF A WATER FEATURE ON THE CORNER OF BROADWAY AND CAPITAL. THAT WOULD BE LIKE A WATERFALL, SIMILAR TO THE ONE YOU SEE WHEN YOU COME OFF THE INTERSTATE. EXCEPT WE WANT TO PUT THE STATUE OF BILLY COLEMAN AND HIS DOGS ON TOP OF IT, WITH TWO FERN TREES GOING NEXT TO THEM. WE'LL SEE IF THAT'S PRACTICAL, AS CHRIS KNOWS. WELL, SOMETIMES THE LIBRARY HAS BIG DREAMS AND THEY GET THE PRICE TAG AND THEY GO, OH MY GOSH, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. SO BUT ON ANOTHER, ON A RELATED NOTE, SPEAKING OF PUBLIC WORKS, WE'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO PUBLIC WORKS FOR THE GREAT JOB THEY'VE DONE IN HELPING US WITH THE WATER TOWER. AND THEY ARE PAVING THE PARKING LOT TODAY. WE CAN SEE THE END OF THE LINE AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. SO OUR CURRENT TRUSTEES ARE ROD RAPIDS, THE CHAIR. ROBERT, COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE. GO RIGHT HERE. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE $120 PER YEAR FOR THE NON-CITY RESIDENTS. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT? THANKS. I THINK THERE'S OVER A THOUSAND CARDS. OKAY, SO IT'S BEING WELL USED. OKAY. NOT AS MANY AS WE'D LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. OUR FOCUS IS ON SERVING THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. AND WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY AND PEOPLE FROM RIGBY, FROM BONNEVILLE COUNTY. IF SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY COMES IN, WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THEM TO CHECK OUT THE COUNTY LIBRARY FIRST. AND IF THAT DOESN'T SERVE THEIR NEEDS, WE'RE HAPPY TO SELL THEM PART. OKAY. AND WE ALSO WE JUST RECENTLY CHANGED THAT TO WHERE YOU CAN PAY $10 A MONTH INSTEAD OF $120 UP FRONT. SO IF YOU CAME IN TODAY AND GOT A NONRESIDENT CARD, YOU WOULD PAY $10 AND 30 DAYS FROM NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY AGAIN. YOU CAN'T JUST SHUT OFF. SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE ANY INCOME TO AFFORD THAT. SO OKAY. WE FOCUSED LIKE I SAID, WE FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON SERVING RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. WE DO OFFER SERVICES OUTSIDE. WE ALSO BELONG TO A CONSORTIUM OF LIBRARIES THAT PROVIDE DIGITAL ACCESS TO DIGITAL BOOKS AND E-BOOKS AND AUDIOBOOKS. WE HAVE OUR SYSTEM SET UP. SO IF WE'VE PURCHASED THE BOOK, OUR PATRONS HAVE FIRST PRIORITY TO IT. SO IF ALICIA LIVED OUTSIDE THE CITY AND PUT A HOLD ON THE BOOK, AND I LIVED IN THE CITY AND I PUT A HOLD ON THE BOOK, AND I WOULD BUMP HER POSITION BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONE PAYING FOR IT. SO I'M THE ONE PAYING FOR THE CITY. RESIDENTS GET PRIORITY. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON OUR SERVICES TO TEENS AND CHILDREN AND ADULTS AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROGRAMING. WE'RE GOING TO BRIEFLY MENTION ELECTRONIC SERVICES AND BRIEFLY MENTION OUR NON PUBLIC FACING SERVICES. COUNCIL PRIORITIES. WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, THE LIBRARY ONLY SHOWS UP IN 1 OR 2, BUT WE KIND OF INSERTED OURSELVES INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER APOLOGY SPEECH. BUT WE REALLY THINK WE'RE THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND WE'LL COVER THAT. BUT JUST I'M JUST GOING TO PLUG IN HERE JUST IF WHEN WE BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER, I THINK WE SERIOUSLY NEED TO CONSIDER PUTTING A SMALL BRANCH OF THE LIBRARY THERE, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON LOCATION. I THINK THEY JUST FIT WELL TOGETHER. IT WOULD GIVE RESIDENTS EASIER ACCESS ESPECIALLY, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. OR DID YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND OR I JUST HEARD WRONG. IT'S OKAY. WHEREVER WE PUT IT WOULD BE A NICE LOCATION TO HAVE WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHAT WHEREVER IT GOES, WHEREVER IT GOES. SO WE DO HAVE A BUILDING PLAN. IT'S NOT WRITTEN. WE JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT IT. EVERY YEAR WE SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE DONE, AND, AND WE WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A[00:10:05]
PRETTY GOOD JOB OVER THE LAST 15 OR 20 YEARS IN MODERNIZING SOME OF THE MOST OF THE BUILDING. AS FAR AS COORDINATING WITH DISTRICT 91, THEY HAD A COMMUNITY OUTREACH THING THEY INVITED ME TO THAT I WENT TO, AND I THINK THE POLICE CHIEF WAS THERE AND SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CITY. AND SO WE'VE DONE THAT. BETH IS IN CONTACT WITH THEM, AND ALICIA, WE'VE WE'RE WORKING TO TRY TO GET EVERY CHILD IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ATTEND SUMMER READING. GOOD GOVERNANCE. WE ARE WORKING ON OUR PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FORMS FILLED OUT YET. BUT OUR OUR SUPERVISORS ACTUALLY MEET WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THEN PLANNING FOR TOMORROW. WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER ON SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE PLANNING. SO THIS IS OUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. THE ONES IN YELLOW ARE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY VACANT, THAT WE HAVEN'T FILLED. THE ONES IN GREEN ARE THE ONES THAT WILL DISAPPEAR DEPENDING ON FUNDING. SO THOSE ARE CURRENT EMPLOYEES AND DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FUNDING REQUEST, THE ONES IN GREEN MAY NOT BE THERE FOR OCTOBER 1ST. SO CHILDREN'S LIBRARY, ALICIA, TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHILDREN'S LIBRARY AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME SLIDES OKAY. JUST MAKES IT SO YOU CAN HEAR ME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO THE CHILDREN'S SECTION OF THE LIBRARY, BUT IT IS INCREDIBLY ENTERTAINING. IT IS NOT A QUIET PLACE. IT IS A PLACE WHERE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME FIND BOOKS.THEY SOCIALIZE. THEY PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE LEARNING AND FUN. THEY'RE EXCITEMENT. THERE'S LAUGHTER. THERE'S SHOUTS OF WOW! ALONG WITH LEARNING AND GROWING AND STRUGGLES. SO WHETHER IT'S THE SMALLEST CHILDREN IN BOOK BABIES AND STORYTIME, OR OLDER CHILDREN WHO COME TO STEAM CLUB OR KIDS BOOK CLUB, THERE'S A PROGRAM AT THE LIBRARY AVAILABLE TO HELP THEM BECOME BECOME A BETTER PERSON, A BETTER READER, AND BUILD SKILLS THAT WILL HELP THEM HAVE GREATER ACADEMIC SUCCESS. IN THE STATE OF IDAHO, 40% OF ALL THIRD GRADERS DO NOT READ AT GRADE LEVEL. AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT STATISTIC. AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY. BUT THAT'S A GOOD PREDICTOR OF FUTURE ACADEMIC SUCCESS. THAT'S A PREDICTOR OF WHETHER THEY WILL GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL. THAT'S A PREDICTOR OF INVOLVEMENT IN A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. THERE'S A LOT OF PREDICTORS THAT COME OFF OF THAT THIRD GRADE, THAT ASSESSMENT THAT THEY HAVE. SO THIRD GRADE IS ALSO WHEN KIDS START LEARNING TO READ BECAUSE THEY'RE LEARNING TO READ NOT OR READING TO LEARN INSTEAD OF LEARNING TO READ. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND WE TRY AND TARGET KIDS TO GET THEM TO BECOME BETTER READERS BY THE TIME THEY'RE IN THIRD GRADE. SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF OUR GOALS FOR THE CHILDREN'S LIBRARY. AT THE LIBRARY, CHILDREN MAY EXPERIENCE BOOKS AND LEARNING IN A RELAXED AND FUN PROGRAM, AND PARENTS CAN BE INVOLVED IN HELPING THEIR KIDS BECOME BETTER READERS. SO HERE'S ONE EXPERIENCE FROM ONE OF OUR REGULAR FAMILIES. HER NAME IS EMILY AND SHE HAS TWO. I THINK SHE HAS FOUR KIDS. SO SHE SAID THIS WHEN MY FAMILY FIRST MOVED TO IDAHO FALLS SIX YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DID WAS GO GET LIBRARY CARDS. I WAS HOPING THAT AS WE GOT NEW CARDS, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR MY CHILDREN. WE HAVE LIVED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT TOWNS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, SOME WITH REALLY GOOD LIBRARIES AND SOME WITH DISAPPOINTINGLY BAD ONES. AND AS I WANDERED THROUGH THE SHELVES ON THE DIFFERENT FLOORS, I COULD FEEL A WEIGHT LIFT FROM MY SHOULDERS AND A RELIEF FEELING LIKE I WAS HOME. THE LIBRARY HAS GROWN WITH US OVER THE YEARS. AT FIRST, WE WENT TO WEEKLY STORY TIMES FOR TODDLERS AND THE LIBRARY AND LEARNED ALL FOUR OF MY KIDS NAMES. MY ONE YEAR OLD TWINS WERE ALWAYS CHAOTIC, BUT THEY WERE ALWAYS SO WELCOMED, AND IT WAS A MUCH NEEDED TIME FOR ME TO SEE ADULTS AND FOR MY KIDS TO GROW THEIR LOVE OF LEARNING. SO SHE TALKS ABOUT HOW HER SON WILL IS HER OLDEST. HE'S NOT A READER, AND HE CAME TO A LIBRARY PROGRAM AND SIGNED UP FOR A BOOK NERD, WHICH IS A YEAR LONG PROGRAM, BUT WE HAVE A VERSION FOR KIDS, AND HE SIGNED UP FOR THAT AND FOUND SOME BOOKS THAT HE LIKED. AND HE'S BECOME SUCH A GOOD READER THAT IN HIS CLASS THIS YEAR, HE READ THE MOST WORDS OF ANYONE IN HIS SCHOOL, WHICH WAS OVER 5 MILLION. SHE HAS ANOTHER DAUGHTER WHO LOVES TO WANDER THE NONFICTION SHELVES AND FIND BOOKS ON HER OWN. AND THEN HER TWINS ARE NOW OLDER AND OLD ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN FIND BOOKS ON THEIR OWN, TOO. AND SHE SAYS THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING THEIR INDEPENDENCE AND THEIR TASTES AND THEIR VOICES BY FINDING THEIR OWN BOOKS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO. SO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE. STORYTIME AND BOOK BABIES ARE STORYTIMES AND KIND OF INTERACTIVE PLAY AND SONGS, STORYTIMES THAT WE HAVE FOR PARENTS WITH KIDS. AND BY PARTICIPATING IN STORYTIME AND BOOK BABIES, THAT ACTUALLY HELPS KIDS LEARN TO READ. AND THAT DEVELOPS EARLY LITERACY SKILLS WHEN THEY COME TO READING LIKE THAT. SO NARRATIVE SKILLS, IF THEY LEARN THE SEQUENCE OF HOW A STORY GOES, THEY LEARN ALL OF THOSE THINGS WHEN THEY'RE IN STORYTIME, SO THAT'S VALUABLE
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FOR THEM. WE HAVE A PROGRAM TO PREPARE KIDS FOR KINDERGARTEN PARENTS. WE TEACH PARENTS HOW TO TEACH THEIR KIDS AND PREPARE THEM. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A NEW PROGRAM THAT'S ON MONDAYS AT 1030. AND THAT TEACHES GIVES KIDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND CUT THINGS AND SORT THINGS. AND WE HAVE STATIONS SET UP WHERE THEY CAN PRACTICE SKILLS THAT WILL HELP THEM BECOME MORE SUCCESSFUL WHEN THEY'RE IN KINDERGARTEN. WE HAVE EARLY LEARNING BAGS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE LIBRARY, BUT EARLY LEARNING BAGS ARE SKILLS THAT HELP KIDS LEARN TO READ. SO SEQUENCING, SORTING, LEARNING THE ALPHABET. WE HAVE BAGS THAT CAN BE CHECKED OUT AND TAKEN HOME FOR PARENTS. AND THEN THERE'S ACTIVITY LISTS IN THERE FOR PARENTS TO TEACH THEM HOW TO HELP WORK WITH THEIR KID TO DEVELOP THAT SKILL. WE ALSO HAVE DISCOVERY BAGS, WHICH ARE FOR OLDER KIDS. THEY'RE STEM BASED, SO SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING AND MATH, AND THEY'RE ACTIVITIES THAT WE KIND OF GEARED THEM TO FAMILIES WHO MAY NOT HAVE EXTRA FUNDS TO BUY, KIND OF FUN LEARNING TYPE TOYS. AND SO WE HAVE SCIENCE THINGS LIKE TELESCOPES OR MICROSCOPES OR DIFFERENT GEARS AND CIRCUIT BOARDS SO THAT KIDS CAN TAKE THOSE HOME WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND EXPERIENCE THAT TOGETHER AND LEARN TOGETHER. WE ALSO HAVE YEAR LONG READING CHALLENGES. SO GROW YOUR LITERACY IS FOR EARLY CHAPTER READERS AND EXTREME BOOK NERD, WHICH I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED. WE HAVE 1000 BOOKS BEFORE KINDERGARTEN, WHICH TEACHES IT, WORKS WITH PARENTS AND THEN INCENTIVIZES THEM READING TO THEIR YOUNGER CHILDREN. SO PRE-K KIND OF GRADES, YOU WANT THEM TO READ THAT MANY BOOKS BEFORE THEY GET INTO KINDERGARTEN, SO THEY'LL BE SUCCESSFUL READERS. THIS LAST COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A LITTLE GIRL WHO FINISHED HER THOUSANDTH BOOK. SHE CAME IN WITH HER GRANDPARENTS, HER AUNTS AND UNCLES, AND HER COUSINS SO THAT THEY COULD WATCH HER GET HER HANDPRINT PAINTED ON THE WALL, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REWARDS THAT THEY GET WHEN THEY READ ALL THOSE BOOKS. WE HAVE CONTINUAL READING PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE SUMMER READING PROGRAM. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE FALL INTO READING PROGRAM. WE HAVE A SPRING PROGRAM, A FAMILY WINTER READING PROGRAM. ANYWAY, LET ME I WANTED TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE PLUG FOR SUMMER READING AND WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT. WE HAVE ABOUT 2000 KIDS RIGHT NOW WHO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR SUMMER READING, AND THAT'S GOOD. IT'S NOT AS MANY AS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR SUMMER READING. SUMMER READING IS VALUABLE BECAUSE WHEN KIDS HAVE A BREAK DURING THE SUMMER, THEY CAN TYPICALLY LOSE UP TO 20 TO 28% OF WHAT THEY LEARNED DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. AND SO WHEN THEY PARTICIPATE IN SUMMER READING, THAT ACTUALLY STAYS THAT OFF. IT HELPS THEM RETAIN THE LEARNING AND NOT START THE SCHOOL YEAR BEHIND. SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THEY START THE SCHOOL YEAR, IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN READING BY THE TIME THEY GET TO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, THEY'RE FINALLY LEARNING NEW MATERIAL BECAUSE THE TEACHERS HAD TO RETEACH THEM ALL OF THAT TO GET THEM BACK UP TO SPEED. SO SUMMER READING IS REALLY VALUABLE FOR THAT. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SUMMER READING BECAUSE IT HELPS WITH SUMMER LEARNING LOSS. OKAY. SO THEN WE HAVE STEAM PROGRAMING TWICE A WEEK. WE HAVE A STEAM PROGRAM FOR OLDER KIDS AND YOUNGER KIDS. I REALLY LIKE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND MATH. AND THESE ARE ACTIVITIES GEARED TO INTRODUCE KIDS TO THOSE TOPICS AND HAVE THEM EXPERIMENT A LITTLE BIT WITH THEM. ONE MOTHER TOLD US, MY SON LOVES THE LIBRARY AND HE'S 12 YEARS OLD. HE HAS AUTISM AND INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES. WE VISITED THE LIBRARY AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND HE HAS FALLEN IN LOVE WITH BOOKS AND PROGRAMS AND CLASSES THAT YOU OFFER. WE HAVE ATTENDED MANY COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES WHERE I FEEL CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE MIGHT FIND HIM ODD AND DISRUPTIVE BECAUSE OF HIS INTEREST AND BEHAVIORS, BUT AT THE LIBRARY, HE'S NOT ONLY ACCEPTED, HE'S ENTHUSIASTICALLY WELCOMED, AND HE IS A REGULAR ATTENDEE OF ONE OF OUR STEM PROGRAMS. OUR LATEST PROJECT IS A NEW COLLECTION OF BOOKS CALLED DECODABLE BOOKS, AND WE'RE CALLING THAT PROGRAM STEP INTO READING AND DECODE BOOKS ARE BOOKS THAT KIDS WHO ARE LEARNING TO READ CAN DECIPHER EVERY SINGLE LETTER IN THAT AND SOUND THE WORD OUT. NOT ALL BOOKS ARE LIKE THAT. NOT ALL EASY READER BOOKS ARE LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS A TARGETED PROGRAM, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 91 TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING SCHOOL NEEDS. IN DOING THAT, THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN QUITE A GOOD DEAL OF EXCITEMENT ABOUT THAT PROGRAM, AND SO WE'RE STARTING THAT SOON. ANYWAY, MY FINAL STORY IS ABOUT A LITTLE BOY WHO COMES FROM A SPANISH SPEAKING HOME, AND HE DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH. HE WAS A PRE-K AND HE STARTED COMING TO LIBRARY PROGRAMS. HIS MOM BROUGHT HIM REGULARLY, AND THROUGH THE LIBRARY PROGRAMS HE HAS LEARNED HOW TO SPEAK ENGLISH AND DONE SO WELL THAT THIS THIS YEAR HE ENDED VERY HIGH IN HIS CLASS ACADEMICALLY. SO WE DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE PEOPLE THAT WE TOUCH AND THE WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP KIDS BECOME BETTER READERS. SO THAT IS KIND OF OUR FOCUS IN THE CHILDREN'S LIBRARY. BUT SO[00:20:09]
YOU SAID 2000 YOUNG PEOPLE, BY THE WAY, THAT WAS EXCELLENT. I JUST LOVED EVERYTHING YOU SAID.BUT IF THERE WAS MORE OUTREACH TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE SPACE FOR MORE PEOPLE.
AM I HEARING YOU RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD HANDLE MORE. YES. AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE ALL COULD WORK ON IS. YES. AND IT'S SOMETHING I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS AT THE FOREFRONT OF EVERY PLANNING SESSION FOR SUMMER READING IS HOW CAN WE REACH THE MOST KIDS? AND SOMETIMES THAT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER THAN OTHERS. BUT THAT IS ALWAYS ONE OF OUR GOALS. AND ARE WE USING DISTRICT 91 AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY COME TO NEAR THE END OF THE YEAR? WE DO TAKE STUFF AROUND, AND OCCASIONALLY WE GET TO GO DO ASSEMBLIES THERE AT THE SCHOOLS AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT. BUT WE DO TAKE FLIERS AROUND TO EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL, EVERY EVERY YEAR. SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU WORK WITH D91, AND I WAS WONDERING UNTIL THE LAST COMMENTS, AND NOW I THINK I CAN GUESS THE ANSWER, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THE COORDINATION WAS ACTIVE OR A LITTLE MORE ON THE PASSIVE SIDE WHERE, HEY, WE'RE BOTH CARING ABOUT KIDS AND BOTH CARING ABOUT READING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE CONVERSATION THAT GOES ON, AND IF SO, IS THAT COORDINATION BASICALLY DONE JUST WITH SORT OF ALL LIBRARIANS KIND OF KNOW EACH OTHER KIND OF THING? OR IS THERE A COMMUNICATION AT OTHER LEVELS ADMINISTRATIVELY OR SO? BETH HAS DONE A LOT WITH OUTREACH, AND SO SHE HAS CONTACTS IN THE DISTRICT 91. SO ESPECIALLY LIKE WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THIS BOOK PROJECT, WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM A COUPLE OF PRINCIPALS THAT SHE HAD REACHED OUT TO. AND SO THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL IN KNOWING THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GREAT NEED FOR THOSE KINDS OF BOOKS TO TARGET READERS WHO ARE STRUGGLING. SO THAT WAS HELPFUL. I THINK THERE CAN ALWAYS BE MORE COORDINATION, AND SOMETIMES THAT JUST DEPENDS ON FINDING THE RIGHT MISSION AND MAKING A GOOD CONTACT. SO PRIMARILY K-6 IS THE FOCUS. AND THEN OR EVEN PRESCHOOL SIX I DON'T KNOW. BUT THEN IT'S WITH LIBRARIANS. BUT THEN YOU'RE SAYING ALSO WITH WITH.
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PRINCIPALS TOO. WELL YEAH, A LITTLE BIT I MEAN BETH, BETH HAS DONE A LOT AND SHE WORKS IN SOME OF THE SCHOOLS. SO SHE WAS ABLE TO PUT ME IN CONTACT WITH SEVERAL PRINCIPALS ABOUT THAT PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I ASKED BECAUSE IN THE RELATIONSHIP OR THE ASPIRATION ABOUT BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DOCUMENT AND I AND THAT HASN'T BEEN WRITTEN UP YET. BUT WHEN WE DO I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PORTRAY IT ACCURATELY. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING IN COLLABORATION WITH THE IDAHO FALLS LIBRARY IS ACTUALLY HOSTING THE IDAHO LIBRARY ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE THIS OCTOBER. SO ON WEDNESDAY IT'LL BE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, THURSDAY AND FRIDAY MORNING. WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON WE HAVE ONE TRACK. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON TO TRAIN SCHOOL LIBRARIANS. THEY'RE REALLY NINE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SCHOOL LIBRARIES. SOME OF THEM ARE MEDIA SPECIALISTS. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT. SOME OF THEM ARE LIBRARIANS. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT. BUT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET THE RIGHT ALL THE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA TO SEND THEIR SCHOOL LIBRARIANS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ACCESS TO THE TRAINING. WE'RE JUST GOING TO COVER THE BASICS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE NOT PAID VERY WELL. THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAINING. AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT THAT WILL OPEN SOME DOORS. BUT WE'VE ALSO BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE THIS IS JUST WE PUT THESE SLIDES. THIS IS NOT WORKING. THERE YOU GO. THERE WE GO. SO WE PUT THIS IN THE POWERPOINT SO YOU CAN ACCESS IT LATER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GO THROUGH I THINK ALICIA COVERED MOST OF IT.
THERE'S SOME STUFF ON THERE WHY STORYTIME IS IMPORTANT. AND THEN THIS IS JUST A LIST OF ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY DO. AND THE CHILDREN'S LIBRARIAN. OKAY, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT I WAS ACTUALLY VERY TOUCHED BY. YOUR MENTION OF THE LITTLE GIRL WHO GOT HER HAND CREAM ON THE WALL. I HAVE NOT KNOWN TO GO LOOK AND FIND THAT WALL. THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO DO THE NEXT TIME I GO TO THE LIBRARY. BUT IT STRIKES ME THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADULTS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WOULD PAY TO HAVE THEIR HAND ON THE WALL AS A FUNDRAISER, AND YOU COULD DO A LIFETIME FOR 500 BUCKS. YOU COULD DO, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL RENEWAL FOR 50 BUCKS A YEAR OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU PAID IT OVER IF YOU DON'T RENEW. BUT SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE WHO DO SUPPORT LITERACY COULD COULD ALSO SHOW SOME SOLIDARITY WITH THE KIDS. AND WE COULD HAVE A BIG HANDPRINT KIND OF CAMPAIGN. BUT I DO LOVE THAT IDEA OF GIVING KIDS WHO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING A PLACE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'LL SEE YOU. THAT'S THOUSAND. OKAY, SO IT ALSO MAKES A LITTLE CATERPILLAR THAT THEY GET TO HANG ON THE CHAIN AND THEN THEY GET THEIR HANDPRINTS ON THE WALL. SO OKAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ADULT AND TEEN
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SERVICES. AND LISA HAD A GREAT PRESENTATION. BUT SHE'S IN CANADA TODAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE CONDENSED VERSION WHICH IS LIKE ONE SLIDE WHICH IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR SEATTLE. ALL THESE GREAT STORIES TO TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. BUT BUT ALL TEEN SERVICES, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU SEE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR. THEY WORK THE DESKS, THEY WORK OUT IN THE DRIVE THROUGH, THEY ISSUE LIBRARY CARDS. YOU CAN REITERATE THERE, AND THEY DO PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN AN ADULT LIBRARY IS THEY ALSO PLAY POLICEMAN ON THE THIRD FLOOR, WHICH I JUST TALKED TO MIKE ABOUT, AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF STAFF WE NEED ON THE THIRD FLOOR. THE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE TAKE A REASONABLE EFFORT TO PREVENT CHILDREN UNDER 18 FROM ACCESSING INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL, WHATEVER THAT IS. SO IN TALKING WITH CITY ATTORNEY APPEARS THAT IF A REASONABLE EFFORT, NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT IT IS. BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT SIT AT THAT THIRD FLOOR DESK ALMOST ALL THE TIME. THERE'S ONE CAN HELP PEOPLE AND ONE HAS TO PLAY POLICEMAN. BUT IN IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, IT MIGHT BE REASONABLE TO JUST HAVE ONE PERSON THERE. AND IF THEY GO TO HELP SOMEBODY, THERE'S A SIGN THERE. AND IT'S PROBABLY WORTH THE $250 IN ATTORNEY'S FEES TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY SUES US AND THEY WIN, THEN WE JUST PUT THE OTHER PERSON BACK.IF THEY DON'T, THEN THAT WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT NEED TO FUND AN ADDITIONAL FULL TIME POSITION. SO, BUT THEY HAVE ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND LISTENING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND I DON'T THINK IF YOU HAVEN'T WORKED IN A LIBRARY, YOU PROBABLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LISTENING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS PART. THERE ARE NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO HAVE NOBODY TO TALK TO. ABOUT. SO THEY COME TO THE LIBRARY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS THEY TALK TO PEOPLE. SO AND THEN COLLECTION MAINTENANCE, BOOKS, MATERIALS, AND IT'S ALL THERE.
IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. LIBRARY WORK IS WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF WHEN YOU THINK OF LIBRARY. WE CHECK BOOKS IN. THESE PEOPLE DON'T LOOK THESE BOOKS. PEOPLE CHECK BOOKS OUT.
THEY DON'T CHECK THEM IN. THAT'S THE BOOK, PEOPLE. THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST. BUT SO WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BETH FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PROGRAMING. I THINK SO OKAY.
PERFECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH OUR TEAM. SO I COVER THE ADULT AND TEEN LIBRARY PROGRAMS THAT ARE DONE IN HOUSE IN THE LIBRARY. AND WE HAVE THREE AREAS OF FOCUS. AND THOSE THREE AREAS ARE READING AND LITERACY. WE PROVIDE EDUCATION OR ACCESS TO EDUCATIONAL THINGS AND WE BUILD COMMUNITY. SO FIRST ONE, THE READING LITERACY. WE FOR 11 YEARS HAVE BEEN DOING THE EXTREME LEARNER PROGRAM, WHICH IS AWESOME. AND WE'VE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TOLD STAFF THAT THEY WEREN'T REALLY INTO READING, BUT THEY WERE LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY THIS CHALLENGE AND IT'S GREAT. AND EVEN IF THEY DON'T FINISH IT, THEY READ GREAT BOOKS THAT THEY MAY NEVER HAVE HAVE LOOKED AT. OR MAYBE IT'S A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THEM TO READ THAT 50 BOOKS, 25 TO 50 BOOKS, DEPENDING ON THEIR AGE, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT. AND IT GETS THEM OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONES, WHICH HELPS THEM BECOME BETTER PEOPLE, IN MY OPINION. SO WE JUST THIS YEAR STARTED A NEW PROGRAM FOR TEENS, WHICH IS CALLED TURN THE PAGE. THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUTH OUT THERE THAT ARE REALLY NOT READERS. READING 25 BOOKS A YEAR IS A HUGE TASK FOR THEM. AND SO THIS ONE, THIS PROGRAM IS TARGETED TO IF THEY CAN DO ONE BOOK A MONTH, THEN THEY CAN COME IN AND GET A CANDY BAR OR A FIDGET SPINNER OR SOMETHING. I AM NOT ABOVE BRIBING CHILDREN TO READ, AND WE HAD A YOUNG LADY WHO DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO THIS. HER PARENTS WERE ALWAYS FIGHTING WITH HER TO GET TO READ. JUST A NIGHTMARE. AND THIS PROGRAM. HER PARENTS FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE SIGNING YOU UP. AND SHE'S LIKE, I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. AND THEY'RE LIKE, TOO BAD. WE'RE DOING IT ANYWAY. AND THE CHANGES IN THIS, THIS KID HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT. SHE'S FOUND BOOKS THAT SHE'S ENJOYED BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON IT. SHE CAN READ WHATEVER SHE WANTS.
AND SO GRAPHIC NOVELS OR BOOKS THAT ARE LOWER LEVEL THAN WHAT SHE SHOULD BE READING. AND IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT. AND HAVING HER COME TO THE LIBRARY, JUST EXCITED TO PICK UP HER PRIZE AND THAT SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR HER, THAT, YEAH, SHE CAN BECOME A READER. SHE JUST HAS TO FIND THE RIGHT BOOK FOR IT. WE PROVIDE LOTS OF EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS THAT PEOPLE CAN COME AND JUST LEARN. WE DO A PROGRAM CALLED MONEY MATTERS, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COME AND LEARNED ABOUT DEATH AND TAXES. PRETTY MUCH. WE'VE HAD A MORTICIAN TALK ABOUT HOW THE DEATH PROCESS WORKS. WE'VE HAD AN ACCOUNTANT COME AND TALK ABOUT HOW HOW TAXES ARE. WE'VE DONE BASIC BUDGETING. WE'VE DONE SO MANY THINGS. WE'VE HAD THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION, THE UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO EXTENSION TRIO, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME AND DONE PRESENTATIONS FOR OUR THINGS AND WITH OUR CAREGIVER CONNECTIONS. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE DO WITH THE
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ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION. WE HAD A FAMILY THAT CAME IN. THE HUSBAND HAS JUST STARTED TO SHOW SIGNS OF DEMENTIA. THE WIFE WAS A LITTLE BIT WORRIED. WHAT IS SHE DO? AND THROUGH THIS FIVE SERIES SESSION, SHE WAS ABLE TO LEARN HOW SHE COULD DO FINANCES BETTER, HOW SHE COULD SUPPORT HIM. YOU DON'T SAY THINGS TO DEMENTIA PATIENTS LIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? YOU SAY, HEY, IT'S ME, IT'S BETH. AND SO JUST THE RELEASE THAT SHE HAD AFTERWARDS OF, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH AND WE DO HAVE THE SUPPORT SYSTEM. IT'S JUST BEEN REALLY GREAT. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PRACTICE THEIR SPANISH. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PRACTICE THEIR ENGLISH, ART, SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, EVERYTHING. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO LEARN AT THE LIBRARY AND ALWAYS SOMEBODY TO TEACH IT. AND THEN WE BUILD A LOT OF COMMUNITY AS WELL. WE HAVE A CRAFTING PROGRAM WHERE YOU JUST BRING YOUR CURRENT CRAFTING THING AND JUST WORK ON IT, AND YOU SIT AND TALK WITH EVERYBODY FOR 2.5 HOURS. WE HAVE AN ART PROGRAM THAT IS, WE'RE STARTING UP AGAIN, AND THIS ONE'S CALLED NEVER TOO LATE. IT'S GEARED FOR 55 AND BETTER.THERE'S THIS CONCERN ABOUT THE LONELINESS EPIDEMIC THAT SPECIFICALLY SENIORS ARE NOT GETTING OUT INTO THE OUT AND TALKING TO PEOPLE. ROBERT MENTIONED THAT WE DO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THEY JUST NEED TO HAVE THAT PERSON TO LISTEN TO, AND THIS IS A GREAT WAY FOR THEM TO COME IN AND BE WITH LIKE MINDED PEOPLE AND LEARN THINGS AND HAVE THAT CHANCE TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE. WE HAVE CHESS CLUB WHERE WE HAVE 80 YEAR OLDS TEACHING EIGHT YEAR OLDS HOW TO PLAY CHESS, AND JUST THIS GREAT COMMUNITY BUILDING THAT IS GOING. AND THEN SPEAKING OF COMMUNITY, I'M ALSO IN CHARGE OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS GOING OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND PROMOTING THE LIBRARY. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, SPREADING THE GOOD GOSPEL OF THE LIBRARY. SO AND OUR THREE AREAS OF FOCUS ON THAT ARE, AGAIN, WE DO PROMOTE LITERACY, READING AND LITERACY.
WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO THE LIBRARY AND THEN YOU BRING SELLER PROGRAMS TO THE LIBRARY. SO GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO READING WITH READING AND LITERACY, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MINI LIBRARIES FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE ONE AT EASTERN IDAHO PUBLIC HEALTH IN THEIR CLINIC AREA. SO THEN WHILE PARENTS AND FAMILIES AND KIDS ARE WAITING TO USE THE CLINIC, THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO JUST BEING THERE ON THEIR PHONES. THEY CAN READ A BOOK WITH THEIR KID, THEY CAN WORK ON OTHERS, THEY CAN PROMOTE THAT EARLY LITERACY AND THEN HOPEFULLY REMEMBER THAT THE LIBRARY IS THERE AND THEN COME SEE THEM, COME SEE US AFTERWARDS. WE ALSO JUST INSTALLED IN LIBRARY OUTREACH PROGRAM AT TETON HEALTHCARE CASCADIA. IT IS A ASSISTED LIVING CENTER AND LONG TERM CAR, AND THEY HAVE SOME RESIDENTS.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. JUST THEIR HEALTH IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM TO LIVE ON THEIR OWN, ON THEIR OWN AND THEIR ACTIVITIES. DIRECTOR IS VERY VIBRANT AND VERY INSISTENT THAT THAT WE TREAT THESE PEOPLE LIKE THE HUMANS THAT THEY ARE, AND THAT THEY HAVE A GOOD END OF LIFE. AND SO BY PUTTING IN LARGE PRINT BOOKS IN THERE AND GIVING THEM INFORMATION ABOUT THE SERVICES THE LIBRARY HAS, IT HELPS THEM NOT AGAIN BE SO LONELY THAT THEY CAN GO OUTSIDE OF THEIR THEIR ROOMS AND HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO. SO AND ANYTIME WE GO TO ANY COMMUNITY EVENT, I HAVE A WHOLE TABLE FULL OF BROCHURES ABOUT EVERYTHING LIBRARY SERVICES, PROGRAMS, STICKERS, LIP BALMS, WHATEVER I CAN DO TO GET PEOPLE ENGAGED IN AND EXCITED ABOUT THE LIBRARY. WE. THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO GET PEOPLE TO COME USE THE LIBRARY. AND SO CAN WE TELL THEM ALL ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE. ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS IS ANYTIME I'M DOING A PRESENTATION AND I TALK ABOUT OUR BOOK SERVICE, WHICH IS CALLED LIBBY, AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THIS? I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR AUDIBLE. YOU DO NOT. WITH YOUR LIBRARY CARD. YOU HAVE THIS GREAT RESOURCE AND SO MUCH INFORMATION ON THERE. WE ALSO HAVE THIS REALLY GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH GIFT THAT THEY WILL BRING PEOPLE TO THE LIBRARY FOR NO COST. ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS. I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS.
I NEED TO TALK TO KEITH ABOUT THAT OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT JUST AN AMAZING THING. AND, AND FOR SOME OF MY OLDER PEOPLE, PROGRAMS LIKE THIS NEVER TOO LATE. I KNOW I CAN SAY, HEY, HEY, WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES OF US GETTING YOU TO TRANSPORT THESE PEOPLE? BECAUSE DURING THE WINTER THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE AND LEAVE THEIR HOUSES, WHICH IS FAIR. IT'S COLD AND IT'S BRUTAL OUT THERE. AND SO IT'S A REALLY GREAT SERVICE THAT THAT WE HAVE THAT SUPPORT. AND THEN OUR FINAL THING THAT WE DO IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT WE BRING STELLAR PROGRAMS AND EVENTS TO THE LIBRARY. A COUPLE YEARS BACK, WE HAD A SUMMER READING THEME. I THINK IT WAS BEHIND EVERY GREAT LIBRARY IS A GREAT COMMUNITY AND THAT IS 100% ACCURATE WITH OURS. WE HAVE SO MANY AGENCIES THAT WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH THAT WILL DO THINGS, AND IT'S SELF-SERVING
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FOR THEM AS WELL. THEY GET THEIR INFORMATION OUT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE WORK WITH TRIO. AND TRIO FOCUSES ON HELPING MAKE SURE THAT FIRST GENERATION COLLEGE STUDENTS AND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO ON WITH EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, THAT THEY CAN DO THAT, BUT THEY THEY GO TO THE SCHOOLS, BUT SOMETIMES THEY DON'T GET OUT INTO THE PUBLIC AS MUCH. SO WE HAVE A MONTHLY PROGRAM WITH THEM. WE HAVE THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION, UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO EXTENSION FOUR-H DOES A FOUR-H CLUB AT OUR LIBRARY. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON GETTING PEOPLE TO COME, BUT IT'S THERE AND JUST SO MUCH STUFF. WE'VE PARTNERED WITH TETON AUTO GROUP. WE JUST STARTED A PROGRAM CALLED PAWS AND PAGES WHERE THEY THEY BRING BOW OR BOW LIKE THINGS. WE HAVE STUFFIES OF BOWS. AND LAST WEEK WHEN WE DID THIS ONE. SORRY. YES, BOW IS A DOG. SORRY. IF YOU DON'T KNOW TETON TOYOTA BOW IS THE SON I THINK OF BUDDY WHO IS THEIR MASCOT. SO ANYTIME YOU GO TO THE FAIR, THE BIG BLACK LAB THERE THAT IS BUDDY BOW IS THE NEWEST VERSION OF THAT. AND SO WE GIVE BOOKS TO THE KIDS SO THEY CAN BUILD THEIR HOME LIBRARY SO THEY CAN WORK ON THAT HOME EDUCATION AND TRY TO JUST GET THEM EXCITED. AND WE HAD A SEVEN YEAR OLD BOY WHO MOM FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND SAID, HEY, DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THIS? AND HE SAYS, NO, I DON'T WANT TO. DOGS ARE STUPID. AND SHE'S LIKE, TOO BAD YOU'RE GOING ANYWAY. AND HE LISTENED TO HIS STORY. HE WAS SO EXCITED FOR THE BOOK THAT HE GOT. HE WENT TO THE CHILDREN'S DEPARTMENT AND CHECKED OUT SEVEN MORE OF THAT SERIES. SO JUST GETTING THAT EXCITEMENT AND HE HE HAD THE LITTLE DOG STUFFED DOG AND HE CARRIED IT AROUND HIS NECK THE WHOLE TIME FOR LIKE A DAY. JUST SO EXCITED OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT. AND SO AND THEN ONE LAST PROGRAM I'M GOING TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT IS THE ENL HAS AN E-WASTE RECYCLING PROGRAM. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE IT, WHERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN BRING THEIR ELECTRONICS TO BE RECYCLED. SO THEY WEREN'T JUST BEING THROWN INTO THE DUMP. AND THEY TAKE EVERYTHING FROM PHONES TO COMPUTERS TO FANS. AND IN THE FOUR EVENTS THAT WE'VE DONE AT THE LIBRARY, THEY'VE HAD 440 HOUSEHOLDS ATTEND AND DROP THINGS OFF, AND THEY'VE COLLECTED OVER 23,000 POUNDS OF MATERIAL, WHICH IS AMAZING. SO WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE IN, I THINK. GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE STILL A POSSIBILITY OF THE PARENTING PROGRAM WE STARTED AT THE LIBRARY. IS THAT STILL OR IS THAT GONE? I WOULD LOVE TO DO A PARENTING PROGRAM. WE TOOK IT SEVERAL. MY HUSBAND AND I TOOK IT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL FINDING PEOPLE TO TEACH IT. IT'S NOT BEEN AS EASY AS I HAD HOPED, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LOGIC HAS KIND OF DURING THE PANDEMIC, THEY FOLDED JUST A LITTLE BIT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S ONE I WOULD LOVE TO BRING BACK. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY PEOPLE YOU KNOW WHO TEACH OKAY, GREAT.OKAY. THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS USUALLY COST. YES. THE LAST CLASS WE FOUND IS $2,500 A SESSION TO TEACH THE CLASS. WELL, ONE SESSION. WELL, IT'S A I THINK IT WAS EIGHT, EIGHT WEEKS. 6 OR 8. IT'S 8 OR 10 SOMEWHERE IN THERE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S JUST A BUDGETARY ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. BUT IT'S NOT TO. OKAY. I FEEL THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO THROW SPAGHETTI AT THE WALL AND SEE WHAT STICKS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY THAT NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO NEED PARENTING, BUT SOMEBODY IS. AND IF THEY CAN COME TO A RELIABLE SOURCE SUCH AS THE LIBRARY TO GET IT, GREAT. I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO TO PROVIDE IT, BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE ON WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT 91 CAN TRY THERE. AND YES, OTHER NEEDS. OKAY. I WANT TO SAY SHEPHERD'S IN OR MAYBE IT TAKES A VILLAGE. THERE'S ANOTHER. YEAH. THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT DOES PARENTING CLASSES FOR. OKAY. AND I NEED TO FIND OUT WHO THAT IS. THEY PRESENTED AT ONE OF THE SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I WAS AT. SO I'VE GOT THAT SOMEWHERE LISTED SOMEWHERE. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO LEAVE ROBERT SAID. LIBRARIES. OUR COMMUNITY CENTER. YES. YES WE ARE. WELL, AND IT STRIKES ME THAT EVEN IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN ALLOW THEM TO HAVE SPACE FOR FREE, THE IN-KIND DONATION OF THEIR OWN, IT'S STILL A WAY TO PARTNER. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS JUNCTURE, SHOULD WE LET THEM WRAP? OKAY. WE'RE JUST GOING TO AGAIN THIS IS IN THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO. THESE ARE JUST ALL THE PROGRAMS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PROGRAMING DO. SO TECHNICAL SERVICES. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU NEVER SEE IN THE LIBRARY.
THEY PREFER NOT TO BE SEEN. THEY JUST HANDLE A PLACE. THEY PHYSICALLY PLACE THE ORDER. SO WE HAVE STAFF MEMBERS THAT COLLECT. AND I DID MENTION THAT PEOPLE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WILL ORDER BOOKS. THEY'LL PUT I SHOULD PUT THE BOOKS IN THE CARPET. JESS IS IN OUR TECHNICAL SERVICES. SHE ACTUALLY PLACES ORDER TRACKS. IT GO BACK A LONG WAY, AND THEN RECORDS IT
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WHEN IT COMES IN AND FOLLOWS IT. AND THAT'S QUITE A TASK. YOU WOULDN'T THINK. YOU'D THINK IT'D BE REALLY EASY JUST TO PUSH THE BUTTON, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW BACK ORDERS. YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THE CANCELLATIONS, AND YOU GOT TO PLEASE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE ORDERING FOR. WHICH IS REALLY HARD BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THEM. BUT ANYWAY, THEY ALSO MAINTAIN THE COLLECTION, WHICH MEANS THEY REMOVE OUTDATED MATERIALS, THEY CLEAN THE CDS AND DVDS THEY RECEIVE AND PROCESS MATERIALS PRIOR TO CATALOGING. SO YOU GOT TO UNPACK THEM. YOU GOT TO CHECK THEM AGAINST THE INVOICE. THEN YOU'VE GOT IF THEY'RE NOT COVERED, YOU GOT TO COVER THE BOOKS. YOU GOT TO LEAVE ALONE. YOU GOT TO PUT BARCODES ON THEM, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, SECURITY STICKERS. AND THEY CATALOG MATERIALS AND THEY MAINTAIN LIBRARY WEBSITES. SO CATALOGING BOOKS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S REALLY EASY. THIS IS ONE RECORD. WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S A. SO IT DEPENDS IF YOU'RE DOING AN AUDIO BOOK THIS IS JUST A FICTION BOOK. SO THEY'RE THIS IS THE SOFTWARE WE USE. THERE ARE 999 FIELDS. EACH FIELD CAN HAVE UP TO 7 OR 8 SUBFIELDS. YOU PUT THE WRONG FIELD INTO BOOK DISAPPEARS. IT DOESN'T SHOW UP. SO IF YOU LOOK THERE'S LIKE A NUMBER LIKE 240 AND THEN THERE'S A BLANK AND A ZERO, A ONE AND A ZERO THERE. IF YOU PUT A ONE AND A FOUR, IT WON'T INDEX THE FIRST FOUR LETTERS OF THE TITLE, WHICH MEANS THAT BOOK IS GONE. YOU JUST WILL NEVER FIND IT IN THE CATALOG. SO THIS IS A SPECIALIZED FIELD. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER BECAUSE OUR CATALOGER WE HAVE ONE CATALOGER WHO WE TRAIN TO DO THIS. I USED TO BE A CATALOGER IN A PREVIOUS LIFE. THEY ARE STRANGE PEOPLE. THEY ARE STRANGE. YOU HAVE TO LIKE IT BY YOURSELF AND NOT TALK TO ANYBODY AND JUST LOOK AT BOOKS ALL DAY. I DID THAT FOR A WHILE, BUT THIS IS A SPECIALIZED SKILL. SO OUR CATALOGER WILL BE RETIRING PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. BUT THAT'S WHAT TECHNICAL SERVICES DOES. OUR IT GUY. THIS IS OUR IT DEPARTMENT RIGHT HERE. TYRONE LIBRARY CURRENTLY HAS 102 PUBLIC AND STAFF COMPUTERS, EIGHT SERVERS. WE RUN 34 DIFFERENT SOFTWARE PROGRAMS. WE HAVE 63 CAMERAS IN THE LIBRARY. WE HAVE EIGHT LOCATIONS WITH ELECTRONIC PEOPLE COUNTERS. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY TELL WHERE PEOPLE GO ONCE THEY COME INTO THE LIBRARY. THAT HELPS WITH STAFFING. AND WE HAVE AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT FOR MEETING ROOMS, AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE WANT. THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS JOB, BUT WE JUST TRY TO FIT IT ALL ON ONE SLIDE. SO BEFORE WE GO INTO BUDGET OVERVIEW SOME READING, WE NEED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO PARKS AND REC. WE THEY GAVE US 2000 TICKETS TO FUNLAND TO GIVE OUT FOR SOMEBODY'S PRIZES. WE PURCHASED ANOTHER 4000 TICKETS SO THAT EVERY KID WHO SIGNED UP, EVERY CHILD WHO SIGNED UP FOR SOMEBODY, GOT ONE FREE RIDE AT FUNLAND. NOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE REALLY SELFISH IN DOING THAT. THEY THEY THINK IT'S GREAT THEY GET A FREE RIDE. WE'RE ASSUMING NOBODY JUST RIDES ONE RIDE AT FUNLAND. THAT WAS THE. THAT WAS THE METHOD OF ONE, RIGHT? SO AND THEN ON THE LINDA MILAM SAYS EVERY TIME SHE COMES IN THE LIBRARY, EVERY TIME SHE FINDS A NEW BOOK THAT SHE WANTS TO READ, SHE CHECKS THE CATALOG TO SEE IF WE HAVE THEM. AND SHE SAYS, WE ALWAYS HAVE THE BOOK THAT SHE'S LOOKING FOR, THAT SHE SHE'S VERY IMPRESSED THAT OUR PEOPLE WHO SELECT. AND THAT'S NOT WHY I SELECT ELECTRONIC STUFF. SHE NEEDS PAPER AND INK AND PAPER, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO, AND I JUST WANT TO PASS THAT ON AND GIVE THEM A SHOUT OUT THAT SHE SAYS ANYTIME SHE FINDS A BOOK OR SHE HEARS ABOUT A BOOK ON TV OR ON THE RADIO OR SOMEPLACE, AND SHE LOOKS IN THE CATALOG, WE'VE ALREADY ORDERED IT. SO OUR GOAL AT THE LIBRARY IS THAT WE MAKE PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER. YOUR LIFE SHOULD BE BETTER AFTER YOU VISIT THE LIBRARY THAN BEFORE YOU WALKED IN THE DOOR. AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY STRIVE FOR. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE BUDGET OVERVIEW, LIBRARY BUDGET, ACTUAL REVENUES 1.3 PROJECTED 3.2 WHERE 59%. THIS IS AS OF MAY OF 2025. EXPENDITURES LOOK LIKE 47%.THAT'S KIND OF MISLEADING BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL, WE TAKE OUT THE ONE TIME MONEY THAT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY SPENDING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING THE FRONT LAWN AND WE'RE NOT BUYING A CAR, AND WE'RE NOT DOING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. THAT WAS ONE TIME EXPENSES.
WE'RE ACTUALLY 64% AS OF MAY, WHICH I THINK MAY IS LIKE 67. SO WE'RE REALLY CLOSE. SO WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS. WE HAD LAST YEAR, WE DID BUDGET $250,000 OUT OF OUR FUND BALANCE. THIS SUMMER I DID A LITTLE PROJECTION. IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE TO SEE IF WE ACTUALLY NEED TO USE THAT OR NOT. WE'VE DONE SOME. WE ALWAYS BASED ON WORST CASE, WE BUDGET BASED ON WORST CASE STAFFING. IF WE'RE SUPER BUSY, THIS IS HOW MANY PAGES WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO SHOW THE BOOKS. THIS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO NEED AT THE DESK. AND ABOUT A MONTH AGO, WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND I JUST I TOLD THE SUPERVISOR, I SAID, WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE. YOU DON'T SCHEDULE THEM. SO LIKE LAST WEEK, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD TEN PAGES SCHEDULED. THREE OF THEM WORKED BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE BOOKS GET CHECKED IN LAST WEEK. THIS WEEK IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY, SO IT JUST DEPENDS. WHEN PEOPLE GO ON VACATION, THEY DON'T USE THE LIBRARY. SO IT'S SLOW AND WE JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY PEOPLE JUST TO STAND AROUND.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY PEOPLE TO DO STUFF, YOU KNOW? SO WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHAT IT TURNS OUT
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AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THESE WE DON'T REALLY CHARGE VISA THEM FOR NONRESIDENT. WE DO COPY MACHINES, 3D PRINTERS, ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO PRODUCE, WE CHARGE WHAT IT COSTS US BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEYS TOLD US WE CAN'T BE A PROFIT CENTER. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. SO FUTURE FEES, WE'LL PROBABLY ADJUST THE NONRESIDENT FEES THAT WE TIE THAT TO THE AVERAGE COST OF A HOMEOWNER THAT FALLS. SO IF YOU COME IN, LET'S SAY YOU'RE A PROPERTY OWNER. SO WE DO GIFT CARDS TO PROPERTY OWNERS. SO LET'S SAY YOU CAME IN AND YOUR PROPERTY IS ONLY WORTH $100,000.SO IT'S PROBABLY A VACANT LOT. BUT WE WOULD TAKE THAT AND SAY OKAY, THE TAX ON THAT FOR THE LIBRARY WOULD BE 60 BUCKS. SO IF YOU WANT A LIBRARY GARDEN, YOU OWE US ANOTHER $60 BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S EQUITABLE FOR THOSE WHO OWN SOMEBODY WHO'S A HOMEOWNER. NOW FOLLOWS PAGE ROUGHLY AROUND $120 A YEAR FOR LIBRARY. SO THAT'S HOW. AND WE HAVE A FORMULA. WE CRANK THAT OUT. AND IF YOUR PROPERTY IS WORTH MORE THAN YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PAYING MORE THAN $120,000 IN PROPERTY TAX TO THE LIBRARY, THEN YOU GET A CARD WITHOUT ADDITIONAL CHARGE. SO WE'LL ADJUST THAT AS IT GOES UP. OTHER THOUGHTS REGARDING FEES. LIBRARIES TRADITIONALLY HAVE BEEN A LOW, LOW COST. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU PAY YOUR TAXES. MOST EVERYTHING IN THE LIBRARY SHOULD BE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL CHARGE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING EXTRA, LIKE A PHOTOCOPY, WE CHARGE YOU WHAT IT COSTS US TO PRODUCE THE PHOTOCOPY. IF YOU DO 3D PRINT JOB, WE CHARGE YOU WHAT IT COSTS US FOR THE FILAMENT. THE LIBRARY EATS THE COST ON THE MACHINE AND ON THE WEAR AND TEAR. WE JUST BUDGET THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE NEED. BUT WE DO CHARGE FOR FILAMENT. WE DO CHARGE FOR THE MAINTENANCE ON OUR. FUTURE PLANNING. SO WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS ON PERSONNEL, YOU'LL NEED A NEW DIRECTOR. YOU MIGHT NEED A NEW OFFICE MANAGER. SHE HASN'T QUITE DECIDED YET. AND YOU'LL PROBABLY NEED A NEW CATALOGER. AND THOSE ARE THREE.
PROBABLY HIT THE BUDGET. THE BUDGET RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT ARE AN OFFICE MANAGER. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY PRIOR TO THE CURRENT OFFICE MANAGER LEAVING. THERE ARE SO MANY. IT'S NOT JUST PERSONNEL WHAT WE DO THERE. IT'S NOT JUST WHAT WE DO. MUNICIPAL SERVICES. THERE'S A LOT OF INTERNAL STUFF. THE OFFICE MANAGER CURRENTLY SUPERVISES ALL THE PAGES ON THE SHELVES, SO THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS AND HOW YOU SCHEDULE PEOPLE. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME KIND OF OVERLAP ON EMPLOYMENT. SO THE CURRENT OFFICE MANAGER CAN AT LEAST SHOW THE NEW OFFICE MANAGER WHAT THEY'RE DOING INSTEAD OF WALKING OUT AND SAYING, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT, A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS OR I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. IT DEPENDS.
IT JUST. IT JUST DEPENDS ON A LOT OF THINGS, ON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PERSON YOU'RE HIRING HAS.
I MEAN, IF YOU GOT REALLY LUCKY AND YOU HAD SOMEBODY THAT WORKED IN MERIDIAN AND THEY MOVED TO IDAHO FALLS AND THEY WERE THE OFFICE MANAGER THERE, THEY COULD PROBABLY STEP IN WITH MINIMAL TRAINING. BUT IF YOU TAKE SOMEBODY WHO'S DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE, IT COULD TAKE A MONTH OR TWO, OKAY. SO EQUIPMENT, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO REPLACE THAT 2008 LIBRARY BAND THAT WE'RE DRIVING. IT'S ONLY GOT 98,000 MILES ON IT, SO I'D DRIVE IT FOR ANOTHER 4 OR 5 YEARS IF IT WERE MINE, AND PROBABLY DRIVE FOR ANOTHER TEN YEARS. BUT THE LIBRARY CURRENTLY HAS 110 COMPUTERS, LAPTOPS USED BY STAFF AND PUBLIC. THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT. AND THE WAY WE'VE TRADITIONALLY DONE THAT IS WE WOULD TAKE. SO WE HAVE PUBLIC CATALOGS. YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU LOOK AT THE BOOKS OFF, WE'LL TAKE STAFF COMPUTERS AND WE'LL ROTATE THOSE INTO THOSE POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY DON'T REQUIRE A LOT OF POWER TO RUN THOSE. IT'S PRETTY MUCH A DUMB TERMINAL, ALMOST. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE EIGHT SERVERS THEY RUN. WE HAVE EIGHT SERVERS THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. YOUR STAFF COMPUTERS WILL NEED TO REPLACE. WE'VE GOT LAPTOPS. WE WERE SCHEDULED TO RECEIVE A GRANT FOR UP TO 60 LAPTOPS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TEACH CLASSES WITH, TO CODING FOR KIDS, HOW TO USE MICROSOFT OFFICE WORD AND COMPUTER LITERACY FOR OLDER PEOPLE. BUT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION IN WASHINGTON CANCELED THAT GRANT, AND PULLED THE MONEY BACK. SO THAT'S SURE.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION, THOUGH? SO YOU HAVE A SCHEDULE FOR THOSE, THOUGH, THAT ARE LIKE, OH, THIS IS WHEN WE AS A BOARD THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. THE COMPUTERS, THE LAPTOPS. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY THE WAY WE DO THAT IS WE WAIT FOR A SALE. WE USUALLY USE OUR THEY RECOMMEND YOU JUST WATCH RENEWED EVERY THREE YEARS. WE USUALLY USE FIVE OR GREATER OKAY. BUT WE WATCH FOR SALES LIKE DELL WILL HAVE A SALE WHERE THEY'LL HAVE 50% OFF OR SOMETHING. AND SO WE'LL JUST BUY A WHOLE BUNCH OF COMPUTERS. THAT'S WHY WE USUALLY HAVE A FAIRLY GOOD SIZED CONTINGENCY FUND. SO WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES UP, YOU CAN JUMP ON IT. AND SO THOSE ARE ALL BUDGETED ITEMS WITHIN THE LIBRARY USUALLY. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW THE VEHICLE
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IS MARKED. YES OKAY OKAY. SO IT'S NOT A HANGING OVER YOUR HEAD LIABILITY. IT'S JUST AN FYI WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING THE VEHICLE AT SOME POINT. SO OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH. WELL WE'RE STILL LIAISON. YOU TALKED ABOUT COVID CONTINGENCY OR RESERVE. IS THAT FUND AT A LEVEL YOU'RE STILL COMFORTABLE WITH FOR THAT LAST MINUTE EMERGENCY OR HVAC OR SOMETHING, ETC. AND IS THAT WHERE YOU SEE THE FUNDING FOR THE BROADWAY DEVELOPMENT? YES, YES AND YES. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE IT IS STILL. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. WE'RE TRYING TO RESERVE THAT MONEY FOR WE REALLY WANT TO USE THAT MONEY FOR OPERATIONS. BUT WE I GUESS THE BOARD FEELS YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT. LET ME ANSWER THAT. WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT MONEY FOR CONTINGENCIES AND FOR.FACILITY CHANGES, LIKE IN THE FRONT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS WONDERFUL PLACE FOR THE KIDS AND THEIR PARENTS. AND WE HAVE DIPPED INTO IT A LITTLE BIT. THIS WAS IT THIS PAST YEAR.
WE MIGHT YEAH, WE MAY END UP USING $250,000 OF SCHEDULED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. WE'LL SEE IF WE NEED IT OR NOT. AND WE'RE TRYING TO NOT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE GOAL IS THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN OPERATE ON OUR OPERATING BUDGET. RIGHT? RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. TRENTON PACKING DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, IN 1995, WHEN THE INTERNET WAS BRAND NEW, I WAS WORKING IN BLACKFOOT AND I SAID, OH, LIBRARIES, THIS IS THE END OF LIBRARIES. PEOPLE JUST WON'T COME TO THE LIBRARY ANYMORE. WHEN I CAME TO IDAHO FALLS 20 YEARS AGO, OUR CIRCULATION WAS ABOUT 600,000 ITEMS. AND THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY. SO THE LAST YEAR WE WERE AT THE COUNTY WAS CIRCULATED ABOUT 1.6 1.7 MILLION ITEMS. LAST YEAR, OUR LIBRARY ALONE CIRCULATED OVER A MILLION ITEMS. SO I DON'T THINK LIBRARIES ARE DEAD. I THINK WE ARE SEEING A TREND TOWARD ELECTRONIC USAGE. BUT STILL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FROM LAST YEAR, ELECTRONIC USAGE AMOUNT FOR ABOUT 20% OF WHAT THE LIBRARY DOES. SO OUT OF THOSE MILLION ITEMS THAT WERE CHECKED OUT OF THE LIBRARY, 200,000 WERE ELECTRONIC, 800,000 WERE TRADITIONAL LIBRARY ITEMS. PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY LIKE THEIR LIBRARY. THEY REALLY DO. GOALS. OUR GOALS ARE WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL GOALS FOR EACH DEPARTMENT. LIKE LISA'S GOING TO TRY TO GET EVERY KID IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO COME TO SUMMER READING. THAT'S WORKING ON READING PARTNERSHIPS.
TYRONE'S GOAL IS JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WORKS AND THAT WE DON'T CALL HIM AFTER HE GOES HOME BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S STILL WORKING. OUR CONCERNS IS OUR BUDGET, THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE BUDGET, AS WITH EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT, IS A REAL ISSUE. INFLATION SINCE 2020 HAS BEEN HORRIFIC. WE'VE SEEN BOOK BOOK PRICE INCREASES. OUR ONE VENDOR THAT WE USE FOR OUR ELECTRONIC RECORDS, OCLC, WENT FROM $5,000 A YEAR TO $9,000 A YEAR. AND IT'S GOING UP AGAIN THIS YEAR.
SO OUR COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE. WE HAVE ON ON THE OTHER NOT CONCERN IS WE HAVE VERY GOOD STAFF MEMBERS. WE HAVE THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST STAFF I'VE WORKED WITH IN MY ENTIRE CAREER THERE. THEY'RE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY LOVE WHAT THEY DO. SO WITH THAT IT SAYS CALL FOR COUNCIL ACTION SUPPORT. YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF LIBRARY IN THE PAST AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND YOU HAVE SOME HARD DECISIONS TO MAKE THIS YEAR. I'M GLAD I'M NOT IN YOUR POSITION THIS YEAR BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. IF WE HAVE A CHOICE. IF YOU MEET OUR FUNDING REQUEST, WE WILL HAVE TO USE OUR OUR CARRYOVER FUND OR FUND BALANCE. IF THERE IS NO MONEY TO GIVE THE LIBRARY, THAT'S OKAY. MY PHILOSOPHY IS I GET PAID TO RUN THE LIBRARY ON THE AMOUNT OF ACCOUNTS, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THE COUNCIL GIVES ME. IF I CAN'T DO THAT, YOU PROBABLY OUGHT TO FIRE ME, FIND SOMEBODY THEY CAN'T. SO WE'LL MAKE IT WORK.
THEY HAVE A SAYING IN THE LIBRARY. WE HAVE DONE SO MUCH WITH SO LITTLE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ALMOST ANYTHING WITH NOTHING. SO. BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. YOU'VE GOT OUR FUNDING REQUEST IN FRONT OF YOU. THERE IS A THERE IS A HUGE INCREASE IN PART TIME WAGES THIS YEAR. PART OF THAT IS WE'VE MOVED SOME FULL TIME WAGES INTO PART TIME POSITIONS. WE CAN HIRE THREE PART TIME PEOPLE FOR WHAT IT COST US TO HIRE ONE FULL TIME
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PERSON. WE DO HAVE SOME CONSIDERATIONS WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON THE DESK. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.THAT'S ROUGHLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 80 AND $100,000, DEPENDING ON WHO WE REALLOCATE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THAT WE JUST I KNOW YOU HAVE A TOUGH JOB AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. IF YOU DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'RE PROBABLY JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD LEARNING. SO IT'S OKAY. BUT COUNCIL MEMBERS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR BRING UP OR YES, YES, DON'T FORGET SERVICE TO THE CITY YOU CURATE THE SISTER CITIES ITEMS WE DO THAT DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB. PART OF YOUR STAFF TIME DOES THAT. HOW IS THAT RECEIVED BY THE PUBLIC? DO THEY WALK IN SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS AND SAY, WHY DID I JUST EXPERIENCE A, YOU KNOW, A TRIP TO JAPAN AND DOES IT DOES IT SERVE TO OPEN A MINDS TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE A SISTER CITIES PROGRAM, OR IS IT JUST WEIRD AND DIFFERENT? DO YOU EVER HEAR COMMENTS OR IS IT NO IMPACT AT ALL? DO YOU THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF WEIRD IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY? I'M SORRY IF I CHOSE A WORD THAT I THINK PEOPLE APPRECIATE IT. WE HAVE PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS. I HAVE PEOPLE ASK ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S IN CHILDREN'S LIKE CLOSE ENOUGH TO CHILDREN'S, AND I HAVE PEOPLE ASK OCCASIONALLY ABOUT IT AND WONDER WHAT IT IS, AND I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO THEM, BUT I THINK THEY ENJOY JUST LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ARTIFACTS THAT WE HAVE DISPLAYED THERE. SO I THINK IT'S WELL RECEIVED. ARE WE DOING ANY KIND OF A ROTATION OF SHE DOES, SHE ROTATES. I WONDERED HOW MUCH WE COULD DO. AND JESS IS ACTUALLY A TRAINED ARCHIVIST. SO YEAH. AND SHE WENT TO SHE WENT TO SCHOOL IN SCOTLAND, GOT HER MASTER'S DEGREE AT SOME SCOTTISH UNIVERSITY. SO SHE IS VERY WELL QUALIFIED TO DO THAT. AND I DO MEAN TO MENTION THAT THE DECODABLE BOOKS ARE ACTUALLY BEING PAID FOR BY A GRANT BY THE MAINE FOUNDATION THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. THAT'S A DIFFERENT NOT HAVING THE TRAINS GO BY BEHIND YOU. YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST CAME, IT WAS 4:00 EVERY DAY. YEAH. AND YOU KIND OF JUST GET USED TO NOT SEEING THEM. YOU'RE NOT HERE TO FEEL ACTUALLY NOT FEELING IT.
YEAH. SO YEAH IT'S NICE. IT'S NICE FOR LADIES WITH OR PEOPLE WITH LITTLE KIDS IN STROLLERS SO THEY DON'T DUMP THEIR KID OUT ON THE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THAT HAPPENED A FEW TIMES. SO YEAH.
AND I REALLY LIKE THE WATERTOWN, BY THE WAY. WE'RE SO HAPPY WE CAN FLUSH OUR TOILETS. IT'S GOING TO BE SO AWESOME. THE LIBRARY LEADERSHIP SUPPORT OF THE WATER TOWER HAS BEEN REMARKABLE AND VERY POSITIVE. AND WE APPRECIATE THE STANCE YOU'VE TAKEN NOT ONLY TO FACILITATE A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT, BUT ALSO TO TALK TO, TO POINT SOMETHING OUT. AS BASIC AS THAT, THE WATER PRESSURE IS IMPORTANT. AND WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING AS SILLY AS WE WANT, WE LIKE FLUSHING OUR TOILETS. IT OPENS THE DOOR TO TEACHING SOMEBODY ABOUT THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR ADOPTING THAT MINDSET. WELL, I LIVED IN AN AREA THAT DIDN'T HAVE RUNNING WATER ALL THE TIME FOR THREE YEARS. THEY WOULD SHUT THE WATER OFF AT 7 A.M, AND SOMETIMES THEY WOULD TURN IT BACK ON AT LIKE 8 P.M. AT NIGHT, AND SOMETIMES NOT. SO AFTER I FLOODED THE HOUSE, I GOT TO DO DISHES ONE NIGHT, PUT THE SINK PLUG IN, TURN ON THE WATER AND THE WATER, AND I FORGOT TO TURN IT OFF. AND I WOKE UP AT 2 A.M. WITH TWO INCHES OF WATER THROUGH THE WHOLE HOUSE. WAS THIS IN THE UNITED STATES OR SOMEWHERE ELSE? IT WAS A COMMONWEALTH OF THE UNITED STATES WAS IN TAIPEI. I ONLY DID THAT TWICE. AND THEN I LEARNED TO CHECK THE SINK. I'M A LITTLE SLOW, BUT WE'RE JUST HAPPY WE ARE. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT CITY. I'M IMPRESSED WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY. I'VE WORKED IN DIFFERENT CITIES AND THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST JOB I'VE EVER HAD. I THINK WHEN COMMUNITY LEADERS TALK ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITIES AND WE GET TO THE TO THE GOOD STUFF, WE TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE. LIBRARIES ARE RIGHT THERE. SORRY TJ, YOU HAVE TO SHARE THE STAGE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING THE CITY, YOU KNOW, FULL OF FUN THINGS TO DO AND WORTHWHILE THINGS TO DO, A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS FOR PARTICULARLY FOR FUNDING. DO WE PUT MUCH ENERGY INTO FINDING SPONSORS FOR SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS, CORPORATE CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS IN PARTICULAR? I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED A PARTNERSHIP WITH INL WITH THE SORRY, THE STOP THE TRADE INS, BUT WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? HOW ABOUT YOUR SPONSORS THAT WE SHOULD OKAY, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF SPONSORS. OUR LIST COMBINED BETWEEN CHILDREN'S AND ADULT AND TEEN FOR OUR SUMMER READING PROGRAM. I THINK WE HAVE 110, 150 SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS COUNTED IT UP. IT'S HUGE. WE CAN'T DO OUR SUMMER READING PROGRAM WITHOUT THOSE SPONSORSHIPS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS ALLOTTED FOR THAT. AND WE DO FOR SMALL SCALE THINGS LIKE OUR PAWS AND PAGES WITH TETON. TOYOTA IS
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FUNDED IN PART BY THEM, BUT NOT A LOT FOR LIKE MAJOR THINGS. AND I TRY TO BE VERY JUDICIOUS ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT I DO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO MAKE ANYBODY UNCOMFORTABLE BY SELLING THEM SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY WANT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACCURATE AND TIMELY PEOPLE OR LIKE ORGANIZATIONS. SO FOR ADULTS, A LOT OF OUR PARTNERSHIPS ARE THE SERVICES THAT THEY GIVE US, THE KNOWLEDGE THEY IMPART. AND WHAT WE GIVE THEM IS THE SPACE THAT THEY CAN DO THEIR THINGS. AND LIKE WITH THE INL E-WASTE, THERE'S NO MONEY BETWEEN THE TWO OF US. IT'S JUST THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ROOM. AND WE GET THEM BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE LIBRARY. AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT, GREAT TRADE OFF. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU BRAINSTORM, AND I WOULD INVITE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ALSO MAYBE DO THE SAME BRAINSTORM ABOUT SOME OF THE LARGER PROGRAMS THAT MIGHT BENEFIT FROM OUTSIDE DOLLARS. GIVEN THAT MONEY IS SO TIGHT, FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN CREATE SOME SPONSORS FROM PERHAPS THE HOSPITAL OR FOR FROM SOME OF THE OTHER CORPORATE ENTITIES THAT WE HAVE, AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME SERIOUS DOLLARS. WRITE TICKETS FOR THE SUMMER READING PROGRAM. WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THREE DIGITS AND $5,000, RIGHT? AND NOT A LOT OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE PUTTING INTO IT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CORPORATE DONATIONS. SO A 15 OR 20 OR $30,000 DONATION, FOR SOME REASON, THE LAST TIME WE CALCULATE WAS PROBABLY TEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS OVER $40,000. I MEANT FOR US, BUT DIVIDED AMONGST THE 102 OR WHATEVER SPONSORS IT. IT'S SMALL DOLLARS COMPARED IN THE IN THE GIVING WORLD IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH.AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND YEAH, MAYBE WE CAN HELP WITH THAT IF WE PUT SOME ENERGY INTO THINKING ABOUT THAT. BUT SO JUST ONE MORE PLUG ON OUR SUMMER READING PROGRAM. MY DAUGHTER LIVES IN DAVIS COUNTY AND SALT LAKE, AND SHE CALLED ME UP AND SHE SAID, DAD, WE WENT TO THE SUMMER READING PROGRAM. I SIGNED UP FOR IT. IF SHE READS ALL SUMMER, SHE GETS A BOOKMARK. SO THAT'S IT. SO MY KIDS HAVE BEEN SPOILED BY ATTENDING SUMMER READING HERE IN IN BLACKFOOT, WHERE THEY HAVE WHAT WE CALL REAL PRIZES. SO BUT I THINK IT'S A TESTAMENT TO OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY CALL PEOPLE AND ASK FOR DONATIONS. AND THAT IS NOT A IF ANYBODY'S EVER DONE COLD CALLING. THAT'S NOT A REAL FUN JOB, BUT THEY DO VERY WELL AT IT. SO IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE NOT TO JUST REAL FAST. I DO WANT TO EXTEND OUR APPRECIATION FOR ALL THAT THAT'S WENT ON WITH THE WATER TOWER.
IT'S BEEN A LONG PROJECT, BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE TO SEE PEOPLE COME IN AND SEE THAT PROGRESS. BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE PATIENCE FOR THAT. I DO HAVE A BONE TO PICK THOUGH. WE TRAVEL A LOT IN THE FALL AND IT'S CONSUMED ENTIRELY BY E-BOOKS. SO WHEN WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO ANYBODY, I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE MY WIFE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK WITH ME. SO WE LISTEN TO THAT ALL THE TIME. BUT WHEN WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO E-BOOKS, SHE'S BRAGGING ABOUT THE LIBRARY THAT WE HAVE. SHE NEVER BRAGGED ABOUT ANY OF THE PUBLIC WORKS SERVICES THAT WE HAVE TO DRAG YOU ALL THE TIME BY THE LIBRARY. SO IT'S A PRETTY HIGH BAR THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SET.
AND THE TIMES THAT I'VE INTERACTED WITH STAFF, I'VE BEEN AMAZED BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADEQUATE SERVICE. IT'S EXCELLENT. IT'S EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE THAT I'VE RECEIVED. SO VERY WELL DONE. ALL RIGHT. ANY LAST WORDS, COUNCIL. THANK YOU A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. WE I THINK WE ALL LEARNED SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW. SO I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU OKAY. HAVE YOU A LITTLE TRANSITION PERIOD HERE. NEXT UP WILL BE GOING TO OUR. I WANT TO SAY FINANCE TEAM. BROOKS HAS PREPARED SOME MATERIALS TO HELP US KIND OF BREEZE THROUGH THE VARIOUS TOPICS. TODAY IS LESS OF A DECISION MAKING DAY COUNCIL AND MORE OF AN INFORMATIONAL KIND OF DAY FOR YOU TO JUST CONTINUE TO ASK QUESTIONS SO THAT YOU CAN GET ALL OF THE REQUESTS CLEAR AND STRAIGHT IN YOUR MIND, SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO NEXT WEEK, WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, ZOOM THROUGH DECISIONS, I THINK. SO DO WE NEED TO JUST HAVE AN UNOFFICIAL BREAK AND TAKE FIVE MINUTES, OR IS KIRK ONLINE? IF HE'S NOT, YOU'LL NEED TO DO HIM ANYWAY. KURT, GO AHEAD AND TRY TALKING NOW. I CAN BARELY WE'RE EVOLVING ON ALL THE WAY. TRY AGAIN. THANK YOU. I CAN HEAR YOU BARELY, KIRK, BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE MUFFLED FOR THE REST OF THE ROOM. WHY DON'T WE TAKE A BREAK UNTIL LISA COMES BACK? LET'S DO THAT. SO AT LEAST TEN AFTER, THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK ON. THANK YOU FOR
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ACCOMMODATING THAT BREAK. I'M SURE IT WAS VERY HARD, BUT WE HAVE OUR QUORUM AND THAT'S[Finance Team, Mayor's Office, Council and Departments]
WHAT'S IMPORTANT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO TURNING THE TIME OVER TO PAM TO AND BROOKS TO TAKE US TO THIS NEXT SECTION WHERE. AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT'S THE SMARTEST THING TO DO IF, AS WE REVIEW EACH CONCEPT, THEN WE PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MANY OF THOSE REQUESTS, IT ALMOST MAKES MORE SENSE TO GO BY THE SPREADSHEET AND HAVE THAT DEPARTMENT THAT'S ON THE SPREADSHEET BE THE ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A VISIT WITH. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS. RIGHT. THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. SO WE'RE GOING TO PLAY IT BY EAR IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO ASK QUESTIONS. IT'S GOING TO CHANGE DEPENDING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT GO AHEAD TURN TO OKAY. SO LAST WEEK WE WERE ASKED TO PRESENT THE MULTIYEAR AND RECURRING AGREEMENTS. LAST YEAR WE STARTED INCLUDING THIS IN THE BUDGET. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTRACTS AND OBLIGATIONS THE CITY HAS THAT ARE RECURRING MULTIYEAR OR THINGS LIKE DEBT OR LEASES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE APPROVED THROUGH THE BUDGET. BUT ALSO LIKE THESE ARE THE VENDORS THAT WE ARE SPENDING WITH SO THAT DEPARTMENTS DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AGAIN FOR THOSE APPROVALS BECAUSE OF THE PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS. SO TIM HAS WORKED ON UPDATING THAT SCHEDULE THIS YEAR, AND HE'S OUR ACCOUNTS PAYABLES AND PROCUREMENT SUPERVISOR WITHIN THE DIVISION OF CIVIL SERVICES. SO HE'S GOING TO WALK YOU ALL THROUGH THIS SCHEDULE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. YEAH. APPRECIATE THAT. AS YOU KNOW MY NAME IS TIM. AS SHE SAID THIS IS THE MULTIYEAR. SO THESE ARE ONES THAT ARE HAPPENING YEAR AFTER YEAR. WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS SO THAT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, DEPARTMENTS DON'T HAVE TO BRING THESE ALL BACK TO YOUR BACK TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR. KIND OF HISTORICALLY, WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WHEN COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE BUDGET, THEY'VE HISTORICALLY TAKEN THAT SOMETIMES AS THE ACTUAL PURCHASING REQUIREMENTS. SO WHAT THIS LIST DOES, IT ACTUALLY SATISFIES BOTH SIDES OF IT. IT SATISFIES THE PURCHASING SIDE AND THE BUDGET SIDE OF IT. WE'VE GONE THROUGH. WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ALL CONTRACTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUT THERE. SOME OF THESE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN BEFORE, SOME OF THEM, THEY'RE NEW, WE'VE ADDED ON THERE, BUT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE YEAR AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY WHICH SERVICE CONTRACTS. AND THESE ARE ONLY SERVICE CONTRACTS. THESE ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL PURCHASES AT ALL. SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU KIND OF WANT TO GO THROUGH IT OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I LOVE. YEAH, YEAH, I WANT TO CLARIFY, BUT I'LL LET HIM TALK FIRST BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE THINKING, WELL, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY PRIORITY. SO BY LISTING THIS IN THE BUDGET AND MEMORIALIZING IT, IT ACTUALLY HELPS BRIDGE THAT GAP A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY PRIORITIES, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IN BEFORE WE LOSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS THINKING, BUT THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS WHEN YOU SAID TAKES CARE OF BOTH THE BUDGET SIDE AND THE. PURCHASING PROCESS. I BY THAT DO YOU MEAN THAT ADAGE THAT WE HAVE YOU CAN'T BUY IN FUTURE COUNCILS AND THE COUNCIL HAS TO RE-UP ON MANY OF THESE THINGS IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE WHAT? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T RE-UP, WE WOULD BE. YES.NOT GETTING THAT OPTION, THAT THAT CHOICE. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SO ALL OF THESE ARE A CONTRACT BASED. AND IN THAT CONTRACT LEGAL REVIEWS THEM ALL AND ENSURES THAT WE, THE CITY, DOES HAVE AN OPT OUT CLAUSE IN EACH ONE OF THEM. AND EACH OF THESE IS INCLUDED IN THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET. BUT WE'RE LISTING IT HERE. AND DEF MOST DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE PUTTING THESE THINGS ON AN AGENDA THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THESE CHECKS WILL JUST BE CUT REGARDLESS OF THEIR SIZE. THESE ARE OBLIGATIONS. THEY WILL BE PAID BECAUSE YOU'VE APPROVED THE BUDGET. IS EVERYBODY HUNKY DORY WITH THAT? DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH NOTICE WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE LIST? AND IF I COULD JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT ON THE PROCESS. SO WHAT WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE OUR DEPARTMENTS TO DO IS WHEN THEY OPEN THE REQUISITION OR ISSUE THE PO, WE TRY TO GET THEM TO CITE THIS DOCUMENT IN THE NOTE SECTION, BECAUSE WE DO GET AUDITED AS BEING, YOU KNOW, AND THE AUDITORS DO PULL THIS KIND OF STUFF TO TEST OR ATTEST OUR AUDITING PROCESS, AS WELL AS BEING ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE GOVERNING BOARD OF APPROVALS AND ALSO STATE STATUTES. SO IT'S REALLY A MULTI-PURPOSE TOOL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS IN THE BUDGET. THAT WOULD BE KIND OF I THINK
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MAYBE A GOOD PLAN IS GOING FORWARD WHEN A SOMETHING IS BEING DONE AND YOU JUST REFER TO THE MULTIYEAR RECURRING AGREEMENTS DOCUMENT AND THEN NO DIRECTORS KNOW WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT IN THE DIRECTOR'S DRIVE SO THAT YOU ARE UNDER THE BUDGET, I GUESS, SECTION, SO THAT YOU CAN ATTACH IT WHEN NECESSARY. BUT LET'S JUST GET USED TO USING THIS. SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANY THOUGHTS? COUNCILOR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WILL COME UP DURING THE POLICE, BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE LEASING. SHEET FROM LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IT'S LADDERED. SO I'M ASSUMING IF YOU LOOK THERE'S LIKE 315, 314, I CAN SEE THAT NUMBER EXACTLY MATCHES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. SOME THE NEXT NUMBERS DON'T MATCH, BUT THERE WOULD BE. THEY DON'T MATCH WHAT WAS LISTED ON LAST YEAR'S MULTI.CORRECT. OKAY. DO WE WANT TO PAUSE THERE FOR A COMMENT FROM THE CHIEF AS TO WHY THERE ARE DIFFERENT NUMBERS. HAVE WE ALTERED THE LEASE TERMS THAT THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT NUMBERS OR ARE THEY DESIGNED TO HAVE DIFFERENT PAYMENTS IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE COMPARING THEM TO. YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT. SO LAST YEAR'S MULTI YEAR IT WAS THE PROJECTION OF WHAT WE EXPECTED. INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE DOWN. SO WE JUST ANNOUNCED THEM DOWN OKAY. AND MOST OF OUR LEASES HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN 17 OR 16 OR 20 VEHICLES. THIS UPCOMING YEAR IS EXPECTED TO BE 15. SO THAT'S WHY THOSE NUMBERS ARE CHANGING AND NOT THE SAME AS LAST YEAR'S MULTI YEAR PLAN. SO WE WOULD EXPECT TO BECAUSE I CAN SEE THAT ONE HAS RETIRED. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD HAVE A NEW ONE COME ON HERE WITHOUT BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. IT WOULD BE JUST PART OF THE BUDGET. OR WE WOULD IT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
EVERY TIME WE DO A NEW ONE WILL BE COMING. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'S LADDERED BUT THE NEW ONE WILL COME TO COUNCIL. SO WE'VE GOT THREE ON HERE BUT FOR, FOR MULTI BUDGET BECAUSE ONE HAS RETIRED.
SO OKAY SO I BELIEVE WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THE NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IT EVERY YEAR AND SAY THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES WE'RE LOOKING. THIS IS THE NUMBER NOT TO EXCEED. AND THAT WOULD COME BACK TO US OKAY. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TIM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PAYMENTS ON HERE THAT ARE KEYED OR TIED TO INTEREST RATES THAT COULD VARY, VARY, OR ARE MOST OF THEM SET? I IMAGINE MOST ARE SET, BUT ARE THERE OTHERS THAT ARE KEYED TO INTEREST RATES? SO. SO SOMETIMES OUR IT SUBSCRIPTIONS. SOMETIMES THEY EMBED A SMALL INCREASE. AND THAT'S USUALLY RELATED TO STAFF AND THE COST OF EQUIPMENT. SO USUALLY THOSE ARE ANYWHERE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 5% ON SOME OF THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS. AND THEN I'M SURE IF TIM HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, HE'S JUST SCANNING THE LIST. SO I'M JUST GIVING HIM TIME TO DO THAT. YEAH, SOME OF THEM ARE TIED TO USERS. SO LIKE PER USER.
SO IF YOU SEE A VERY ROUND NUMBER, LOTS OF ZEROS, THAT'S MOST LIKELY AN ESTIMATE OF THE AMOUNT VERSUS THE ACTUAL CONTRACT ITSELF. WE'VE TRIED TO ADD IN THAT LITTLE BIT OF VARIANCE. SO THAT ONE I COULD SPEAK OF IS 115,000. FOR THE SPRY POINT, THE ACTUAL CONTRACTED COST IS LIKE 108,000 AND SOME PENNIES WE'VE ROUNDED UP FOR THAT LITTLE VARIANCE OF ANY ADDITIONAL UNITS ADDED TO THAT CONTRACT. ARE THERE ANY LEGAL CONCERNS? IF WE HAVE PUT AN ESTIMATE IN HERE AND THEN WE END UP EXCEEDING IT? AND WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT DIFFERENT AMOUNT TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WE USE IS ACTUALLY THE RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS FOR A CHANGE ORDER. SO WHAT WE DO IF WE DO SEE SOMETHING AND IT HAS HAPPENED THAT WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE THAT PERCENTAGE, IT'S ALLOWED IN RESOLUTION. WHAT WE DO IS WE CALL OUR CITY ATTORNEY. WE GO OVER IT WITH HIM. AND THEN USUALLY HIS RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL. AND A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS IF IT'S A NOMINAL AMOUNT, IT'LL GO ON LIKE THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT IT DOES GO TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND AUTHORIZATION AND ALL THAT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PERCENTAGE ALLOCATION THAT THE DIRECTOR HAS AUTHORITY FOR, DID I, DID I WANT ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? NO. ALL RIGHT. AWESOME OKAY. AND I THINK WE'LL JUST KEEP IT AT THAT BRIGHT LINE. AT LEAST I WILL OF IF IT'S OVER WE DO THE CHANGE ORDER. WHEREAS I SUPPOSE ANOTHER WAY TO APPROACH THIS WOULD BE FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS WITH THE 5% VARIANCE ABOVE. YEAH. AND YOU WANTED TO DO THAT. SAVE A LITTLE MORE PAPERWORK. BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY DONE THAT WITH THE MINOR CONTRACT RESOLUTION. SO IN THAT MINOR CONTRACT RESOLUTION, COUNCIL AUTHORIZE DIRECTORS TO APPROVE CHANGE ORDERS OR CHANGES IN THE CONTRACT THAT DON'T EXCEED A CERTAIN THRESHOLD AMOUNT. SO FOR CONTRACTS THAT
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ARE UNDER, I BELIEVE, $100,000, THERE'S A 25% WIGGLE ROOM ABOVE $100,000 IS 15% BELOW. SO I DON'T I FORGOT ABOUT THAT COUNCIL. DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN IF IT WANTS TO MAKE A SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION FOR THESE CONTRACTS, COUNCIL CAN GIVE, WE COULD ADOPT A RESOLUTION OR THEY COULD THEY COULD TAKE ACTION TO DIRECT STAFF. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE MINOR CONTRACT RESOLUTION. BUT COUNCIL ALREADY HAS AUTHORIZED DIRECTORS AND THE MAYOR TO TAKE ACTION WHEN THERE'S SMALL NOMINAL CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT. AND I THINK EVERYBODY, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD SIT TIGHT WITH THAT AND BE FINE, EXCEPT IN THE CASE WHERE THERE IS AN OVERAGE AND IT'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO GIVE. HOW DOES THIS WHAT IS THIS DISPLACE. BUT MAYBE THAT COULD BE A LIAISON CONVERSATION. AND THEN THE LIAISON COULD DETERMINE, HEY, MY COLLEAGUES REALLY NEED TO KNOW THIS OR OKAY, GOOD. NO, THIS IS GOOD. IT'S JUSTIFIABLE. WE'RE FINE. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THAT IS A FUNCTION OF LIAISON IS TO HELP DO THIS SORT OF THE SNIFF TEST ON WHETHER OR NOT YOUR COLLEAGUES NEED TO KNOW OR WHETHER IT'S FINE. AND YOUR COLLEAGUES SHOULD TRUST EACH OTHER WHEN IT COMES TO THAT JUDGMENT. BUT COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M DONE TALKING. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ALL OF THIS? WOULD IT BE ASKING TOO MUCH AS DEPARTMENT HEADS THROUGH LIAISON TO GIVE THE LIAISON ADJUSTMENTS IN THESE NUMBERS, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD ALLOW THOSE TWO PEOPLE OR ONE PERSON TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AND INFORM US IF IT'S IF IT'S DIFFERENT OR MORE OR A LOT MORE, BECAUSE IT COULD BE HARD TO. COMPLY. IF IT'S TOO FINE, OR IT COULD JUST BE A LOT OF MICROMANAGING IS TOO FINE. SO WE NEED TO. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS NOT UNREASONABLE. I'M JUST GOING TO PUSH A LITTLE AND SAY, LET'S BE PRACTICAL AT THE SAME TIME. I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MONEY AND TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THROUGH THE LIAISONS SEEMS WISE. IF IT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT AND MAYBE WE COULD KEEP THE RESOLUTION, BUT MAYBE EVEN IF IT'S WITHIN THE RESOLUTION AND DOESN'T REQUIRE ACTION BY COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE BE GOOD TO KNOW IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEFINE SIGNIFICANT.OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? INPUT. I MIGHT ASK IF SIGNIFICANT WOULD MEAN SOMETHING LESS THAN THE THRESHOLD AMOUNTS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT INTO THE MINOR CONTRACT RESOLUTION, BECAUSE.
THAT THAT WOULD BE 15% FOR ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS, THAT YOU'D SEE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL UNDER 15%. YOU WOULDN'T. AND SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE, THAT'S REALLY THE THRESHOLD THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THESE KINDS OF COUNCIL FOR THESE, IF YOU WANT AS A LIAISON TO BE NOTIFIED, THEN REALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BETWEEN 0 AND 15%, 15, 15, BECAUSE AT 15%, THE DIRECTOR OR THE MAYOR HAS TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL ANYWAY. SO YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET IN YOUR LIAISON MEETINGS AND UPDATE ON ON SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN 1 AND 15%. I WILL SAY THIS, GIVEN SOME OF THE NEWS REPORTING THAT'S BEEN OCCURRING LATELY WITH ALL OF THE WITH THE IMPOSITION OF TARIFFS AND THE TALK OF TARIFFS AGAIN. THE TARIFFS WILL DRIVE ADDITIONAL INFLATION. BUT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING A WAVE OF INFLATION THAT'S STARTING TO HIT NOW. AND I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT INFLATION GETS A HOLD OF THESE, YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELVES ALREADY WITH THE 15% APPROVING THINGS THAT THAT YOU'RE ALREADY WE ALREADY MIGHT BE DEALING WITH A LOT. AND SO TO TRIGGER SOMETHING UNDER 15% MIGHT BE A LOT A LOT A LOT OF A LOT. YEAH. NOT JUST YOU KNOW, COME TO COUNCIL I CAN PICK A NUMBER OUT OF MY HEAD LIKE 5% OR 7.5%. BELOW THAT DEPARTMENT'S ON ITS OWN, BUT ABOVE THAT, AT LEAST INFORM THE LIAISON. SO WE KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. OKAY. SO DIRECTORS, IF YOU'RE ON THIS LIST, BE CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT TALKING TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOME VARIANCE HERE THAT THAT IT'S GOING TO COST SOME MONEY. I THINK THAT HAPPENS ALREADY. ANYWAY. I THINK IT OFTEN DOES AND MY LIAISONS. BUT IT'S NOT A POLICY. RIGHT?
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TIM? I CUT YOU OFF WITH QUESTIONS AND WE GOT OFF ON A SIDETRACK. IS THERE MORE THAT YOU WERE WANTING TO PRESENT? NO, I THINK THE GROUP ENDED UP TALKING EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT I NEEDED. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF ME. COUNCILOR BURTENSHAW, THIS WAS A REQUEST OF YOURS TO DO WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR IN REVIEWING THESE. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I APPRECIATE THESE, I DO WONDER IF WE CAN HAVE A AT SOME POINT. SOME OF THESE ARE ANNUAL AMOUNTS THAT RETIRE OR MAYBE THEY'RE NOT. I MEAN, IF I'M LOOKING AT LIKE THE BODY CAMERA SERVICE OR. I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE. IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHEN THEY WHEN THEY EXPIRE, WHEN THEY SUNSET. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT COULD BE IS THAT ASKING TOO MUCH FOR. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THAT DOCUMENT. WE COULD EITHER PUT THAT ON THIS OR JUST SEND IT OUT TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY OR IF YOU WANT THAT IN THE BUDGET BOOK AS WELL, WE CAN WORK. THIS IS A PAGE FROM THE BUDGET BOOK, RIGHT? CORRECT. I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE IF THERE'S BANDWIDTH TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BOOK. IF THERE'S NOT BANDWIDTH, THEN WHEN THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, LET'S LET'S SEND THE REVISED ONE OUT TO COUNCIL AND THEN WE'LL UPDATE IT FOR NEXT YEAR. IS THAT REASONABLE? I MEAN, BECAUSE LIKE THE FIRE ENGINE LEASE PAYMENT, I THINK THAT'S THREE YEARS, RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'D JUST BE GOOD TO SEE. YEAH.THAT'S AN EASY DOCUMENT TO GET TO YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT COUNCILOR, BEFORE YOU ADD ANYTHING ELSE I'M GOING TO TURN TO OUR ATTORNEY WHO HAD A COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. YEAH. THIS IS GOING BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS'S DISCUSSION. DO YOU WANT TO SEE THAT POLICY OF R CONTRACTS RESOLUTION? BECAUSE JUST THIS CONVERSATION, IF LATER SOMEONE DOESN'T DO THAT AND THEY COME AND ASK ME IF THEY MADE A MISTAKE, I'M GOING TO SAY THE COUNCIL DIDN'T TAKE AN ACTION TO MAKE THAT THERE'S NO VOTE, THERE'S JUST A SMALL DISCUSSION.
SO UNLESS THAT'S AN INFORMAL IDEA THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE LIAISONS DO, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A DIRECTOR TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHETHER THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR NOT. BY MYSELF, I LIKE IT, BUT I JUST THINK MY OPINION IS, IS THAT IT'S HAPPENING WITHIN. SO YOU DON'T NEED A POLICY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A POLICY. I THINK THAT THE 15% THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL, THE WHOLE COUNCIL, THAT'S THE THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME. ANYTHING ELSE I THINK IS JUST GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF BUSY. I THINK MOST DIRECTORS, IF THEY FIND SOMETHING THAT'S AROUND A 10% INCREASE, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, YEAH, LIKE, OH, THIS TURNED OUT NOT TO OUR FAVOR, LISA.
MICHELLE, YOU MENTIONED THAT. OR HOW ABOUT KIRK? DO YOU HAVE ANY OPINIONS YOU WANT TO SHARE? IF WE'RE IF WE CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE. IF NOT, EMILY CAN TRANSLATE OR RELAY. IN ORDER FOR HIM TO PARTICIPATE, HE ACTUALLY HAS TO BE HEARD. OKAY? HE'S HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. IF HE HAS COMMENTS, HE'S GOING TO CALL AND I'M GOING TO PUT HIM ON SPEAKER. OKAY. GREAT. SO I WILL MAKE TWO SUGGESTIONS. AND LET'S SEE IF IT SATISFIES A LITTLE BIT HERE. ONE WOULD BE THAT MR. KIRKHAM COULD YOU MAKE I'M SORRY MAYOR. HOLD ON. I HEARD YOU'RE ON SPEAKER. OKAY. THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD WAS, DO WE WANT TO DEAL WITH DOLLAR AMOUNTS AS WELL AS PERCENTAGES? YOU KNOW, A PERCENTAGE OF A BIGGER CONTRACT COULD BE A BIGGER DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND THE FOOT COULD BE THE SAME ON A SMALL CONTRACT, WHERE THE PERCENTAGE COULD BE A REAL SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO SOME SOME OF THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE POLICY ALREADY FOR SMALLER CONTRACTS, THE DIRECTOR HAS 25% TO WORK WITH. AND I THINK THAT CUT OFF IS $100,000, $200,000 ABOVE THAT, ABOVE $200,000, IT'S 15%.
SO SOME OF THAT'S BUILT INTO THE POLICY RIGHT NOW. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER BREAKDOWN, OR IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER BREAKDOWN, OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN WE CAN COME UP WITH WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE POLICY THAT YOU'D WANT TO HAVE. WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT BUT THAT IS ADDRESSED SOMEWHAT IN THE POLICY ALREADY. SO I GET A COPY OF THAT POLICY EMAILED TO ME. YEAH.
WHILE YOU WERE DIALING, I WAS STARTING TO SUMMARIZE TWO THINGS. AND ONE OF THEM WAS, I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. KIRKHAM TO SEND THAT POLICY OR THAT RESOLUTION OUT TO EVERYONE. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'D ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I'D ALSO SAY, DON'T FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE. SO BUT YOU DO HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE POLICY OPINIONS. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO
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SAY DON'T CHANGE IT, JUST SAYING CONSIDER THAT. THE OTHER THING IS DIRECTORS, AS YOU HAVE YOUR NOTES AND YOUR FORMAT FOR HOW YOU DELIVER A LIAISON BRIEFING OR HAVE A LIAISON MEETING, GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT, THAT LITTLE PIECE IN THERE TO COVER ANY FINANCIAL ADJUSTMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, EXPENDITURES THAT CAME IN WAY OVER BUDGET JUST SO THAT YOU'RE NOT FORGETTING TO ADDRESS IT IN CASE IT ADDS UP. AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU ADD THAT TO YOUR MENTAL LIST OF QUESTIONS YOU ASK AT EVERY MEETING SO THAT WE'RE ALL LIVING BY THE SPIRIT OF THIS NEED TO BE INFORMED. SO THAT'S RESOLUTION 2024. DASH 21. AND I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ACCESS TO IS IT THE W DRIVE. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO JUST EMAIL IT. I'M GOING TO EMAIL IT RIGHT NOW. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. ANYTHING ELSE. ALL RIGHT THEN WE MAY BE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING THAT WE WANTED. CONVERSATION ON WHICH WAS COUNCIL PRIORITIES. OH MAYBE I'LL JUST KEEP GOING HERE. SO WITH COUNCIL PRIORITIES OH YEAH. SORRY. AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCES I WILL NOT TRY TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF MYSELF. I DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT. BROOKS. SORRY. SO WE HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCES.WHAT WAS THE. WELL, I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF INTERPRETING THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAD A FACE TO FACE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, BUT YEAH. SO AS WE GET INTO THE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS, THE AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCES CURRENTLY ARE ONE TIME SOURCES.
WE HAVE POTENTIALLY TAKING 3% OF FOREGONE. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF. AND THAT'S ONE. JUST TO CLARIFY, IF WE TAKE IT THAT MONEY IS GONE FROM FOREGONE AND NOT COMING BACK AROUND INTO THE TAX BASE, IT'S ONE TIME USE AND NOT WE ALSO HAVE OUR CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION BOND FUNDING. SOME OF IT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT. AND WE ALSO HAVE INTEREST EARNINGS ON WHAT SAT IN A TRUST ACCOUNT WHILE WE BUILT THE POLICE COMPLEX. WE'RE EXPECTING ABOUT 1,000,000 IN 1 TIME FUNDING COMING FROM THAT. AS WE CLOSE OUT THE BOND THAT WILL GO TOWARDS OUR DEBT SERVICE, SO THAT THE DEBT SERVICE WE HAD PLANNED TO SPEND OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND WILL NOT HAVE TO BE SPENT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. IT WOULD COME FROM THAT, THAT BOND SAVINGS. THEN WE ALSO HAVE ABOUT 675,000 AGAIN IN ONE TIME MONEY. THAT IS KIND OF A POWER REPAYING OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR SOME OF THE SPACE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN. THE PARKS HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED OVER THE YEARS. AND LET ME STOP THERE AND ASK. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS THIS NUMBER WAS SORT OF EYEBALLED A LITTLE BIT, AND WE WERE GOING TO PUT SOME EFFORT INTO TRYING TO IDENTIFY HOW MANY YEARS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT THE COST IS AND HOW WE AGGREGATE THAT.
ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE AT THE 675 WITH THE MATH, OR ARE WE THINKING WE'RE WAY ABOVE? AND SHOULD WE EITHER INCREASE THAT AMOUNT AS PART OF A ONE TIME, OR SHOULD WE MAKE IT A FEW YEARS OVER TIME? OR WHERE ARE WE WITH OUR JUSTIFICATION MATH? PROBABLY END OF THIS WEEK WE'LL KNOW BETTER. WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THE NUMBERS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND THEN HOW FAR BACK THAT GOES. BUT MOST LIKELY 40 YEARS. OKAY, MY GUESS IS IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING MORE JUST BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING TO THE LAST FERC LICENSING, WE'RE TALKING 40 YEARS. AND SO IT'S I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE WE'RE SPEAKING, BUT WE'RE JUST HAVING THOSE NUMBERS ALL PULLED OUT RIGHT NOW FOR THE END OF THE WEEK TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN IDEA OF JUST WHAT THOSE THREE PROPERTIES HAVE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE MAY BE BETTER PREPARED TO HAVE NEXT WEEK. BUT THE 75 IS OUR PLACEHOLDER. AND I WOULD SAY IF IT BECOMES MORE THAN 675, WHAT WE'VE PLANNED IN THE BUDGET FOR COMING FROM POWER IS THAT EXTRA 675,000. SO I THINK IF IT'S MORE THAN WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT A MULTIYEAR REPAYMENT VERSUS JUST ALL THIS ONE YEAR. AND I GUESS THERE ARE A COUPLE WAYS TO LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT POWER IS SAVING QUITE A BIT FROM THE CHANGE THAT WE'VE MADE IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE ALLOCATING COSTS FOR WHAT RATEPAYERS ARE PAYING IN. SO WE'LL WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND DECIDE ALL OF THAT. I THINK ONCE WE HAVE MORE DATA. JIM BROOKS YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE POSSIBILITY OF MONEY FOR THE GREENBELT MAINTENANCE. CORRECT? CORRECT. NUMBER. YEAH. OKAY. AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT MEETING WAS THAT THIS 675 PLUGGED A, A HOLE THAT IT'S ALREADY CONSIDERED. IN. THAT'S THAT'S NEW AND DIFFERENT OKAY. THIS IS EXCESS ONE TIME FUNDING AVAILABLE NOT TO BALANCE THE
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BUDGET OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE. ANY OTHER NUMBERS THERE I THOUGHT I HAD IT ALL IN MY HEAD LAST WEEK THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER SOURCES TO THINK ABOUT. THIS FOR FOREGONE IS BAKED IN TO OUR THE DEBT THAT WE THE MONEY THAT WE THINK WE NEED FOR OPERATIONS IS BAKED IN. SO IF WE BACK FOREGONE OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S FAVORITE THING TO DO, THEN WE HAVE TO WE'LL HAVE TO BACKFILL WITH SOME DOLLARS FROM SOMEWHERE. BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT DOLLARS FROM SOME OF OUR RESERVE ACCOUNTS, SUCH AS THE INTEREST THAT WE'VE MADE ON. THE SELF-INSURANCE MONEY.PERSONALLY, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF DOING THAT. BEFORE, WE'VE HAD A DEEPER DIVE ON SELF-INSURANCE BECAUSE IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO DO IT, THEN WE JUST SHOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT WHEN WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PAY THAT OR COME UP WITH THAT MONEY AGAIN AND MORE. BUT AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL FOR TAPPING INTO SOME OF THE IF WE HAVE ANY. AND A FINANCE ONLY FINANCE COULD TELL US WHAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT WITH ANY MONEY FOR THAT TO STABILIZATION FUND THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS. SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE MORE SOURCES. WERE THERE ANY OTHER CREATIVE SOURCES THAT ANY OF YOU WERE COMING UP WITH? THIS IS THIS IS TO DISCUSS MAYBE THAT SELF-INSURANCE FUND IS THAT WHEN WE HAD. FOCUS REPORT, IT GAVE A REALLY GOOD ANALYSIS AND TOTALLY RECOMMENDED NOT GOING SELF-INSURED. I MEAN, SO THAT WAS LIKE VERY RECENTLY IN THEIR FOCUS REPORT. SO I, I DO THINK THAT THAT MONEY AT SOME LEVEL IS AVAILABLE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE MOVING TO SOMETHING BASED ON THAT REPORT. WE HAVEN'T HAD A VOTE NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, AND I HAVE A GREAT AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR. DIRECTOR JONES. MY EXPERIENCE IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY TELLS ME THAT THIS IS STILL A GROWING OPTION FOR A LOT OF COMMUNITIES.
IT'S ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING SECTORS FOR NEW BUSINESS. FOR IDAHO INSURANCE COMPANIES, IT'S STILL ATTRACTIVE. IT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY. THERE ARE REASONS WHY WE WANT TO GET, I THINK, MULTIPLE VOICES IN THE ROOM AND HAVE SOME PERSPECTIVES SHARED BEFORE WE MAKE A SUCH A BIG BUDGET OR IMPACT DECISION. BUT THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT I DON'T AGREE. EVERYBODY MIGHT LINE UP AND SAY EXACTLY WHAT DIRECTOR JONES SAYS, BUT OTHERS MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ■YET. AND I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO CONSIDER GETTING AS MUCH INSIGHT AS WE CAN BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION ON THAT. AND THAT'S THAT. THAT'S MY OPINION. THAT'S HOW I'VE SORT OF BEEN MANAGING IT. I HAVEN'T HAD MUCH OF A DIALOG WITH DIRECTOR JONES AT ALL YET BECAUSE MOSTLY BECAUSE I FORGOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE MET ON THURSDAY LAST WEEK, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO MANY OTHER THINGS. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN COMING FROM. IF I AM ALL WET AND YOU DON'T LIKE THE DIRECTION I'M GOING, COUNCIL HAS THE ULTIMATE SAY SO. YOU'RE WELCOME TO REDIRECT THAT AT ANY TIME. BUT THAT WAS HOW I WAS MANAGING IT. AND I'M ON YOUR SIDE ON THIS, BUT FOR A DIFFERENT REASON. AND I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO USE THAT MONEY FOR INSURANCE KIND OF STUFF. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT NOT TO JUST THROW IT INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
I CAN SEE IT'S USING THE MONEY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO USE IT AS MORE OF A STABILIZATION FUND FOR WHEN WE DO HAVE BIG CHANGES IN, IN HEALTH INSURANCE AND KEEP IT FOR THAT. THAT'S THE 2.1 MILLION. SO YOU WANT TO KEEP ALL 6.1 MILLION IN THERE FOR THAT. YEAH. AND HAVE IT AND HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO EASE THE PAIN. IF WHEN WE KNOW IN A YEAR COMING IN AHEAD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGER INCREASE AND MAYBE WE CAN FLATTEN IT OUT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. SO HAVE YOU HAD YOUR HAND ON THE BUTTON FOR A BIT. BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S PART OF THIS CONVERSATION GREAT. IF IT'S SORT OF DIFFERENT THAN WE HAVE COUNCILOR FRANCIS WHO ALSO HAS A THOUGHT ON THIS DOLLAR. I JUST SAY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF TOUCHING THE 4 MILLION WE ORIGINALLY PUT IN THERE. IN ORDER TO 2.1, WE WERE PLANNING FOR STABILIZATION. BUT IF IT COMES TO REDUCING STRAIGHT STREET MAINTENANCE THAT SERVES THIS COMMUNITY, AND $200,000 THAT WE'VE EARNED IN INTEREST, I WOULD BE RECOMMENDING USING THAT BECAUSE THAT $200,000 IS NOT THE MAKE OR BREAK. WHETHER WE GO FOR
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SELF-INSURANCE. YEAH, YOU STILL HAVE WHAT WE SET ASIDE FOR THIS PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE EARNED SOME INTEREST ON IT. AND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A REALLY GREAT POSSIBILITY RIGHT NOW, I THINK $200,000 TO HELP MAKE SURE STREETS ARE MAINTAINED IS IMPORTANT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TOUCHING $4 MILLION OR SPENDING ONE TIME MONEY OR ONGOING EXPENSES LIKE THAT IS A BAD IDEA, AND I'M WELL AWARE OF THAT. CAN I GO BACK JUST TO A LITTLE BIT? I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE FOREGONE THING. THAT DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD JUST CLEARED UP FOR ME. SO THE 1% WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BAKED IN. BUT THE RIGHT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MONEY. THAT'S ONGOING MONEY. RIGHT. WELL CURRENTLY CURRENTLY CURRENTLY IT'S LISTED AS A PLACE WHERE WHAT I WANTED TO SAY BEFORE WE GOT TOO FAR DOWN THIS PATH IS JUST A GENTLE REMINDER. AND I'LL HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY CORRECT ME IF I'M MISTAKEN, BUT THE FOREGONE 1% ACTUALLY REQUIRES A RESOLUTION TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. IT'S ALSO PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES, AND IT HAS TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE'RE SPENDING THE 1% ON. SO BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR DOWN THE PATH OF FOREGONE, THE DISCUSSION OF FOREGONE, I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE DOCUMENTATIONS AS PART OF OUR BUDGET ADOPTION PROCESS. BUT THE OTHER PART WAS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT OTHER FOREGONE, RIGHT, NOT THE 1%, BUT IN ORDER TO GET UP TO THE 8%, WE COULD TAKE SOME MORE, BUT IT WOULD BE IT WOULD GO AWAY FOREVER IF WE USED IT. CORRECT. SO WE HAVE THAT'S NOT BAKED IN. NO, IT IS NOT. THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE. THAT IS CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES. SO HOW HEALTHY IS THE CURRENT STABILIZATION FUND AND WHERE DO THOSE DOLLARS COME FROM FOR HEALTH INSURANCE. THEY COME FROM I THINK UNSPENT PERSONNEL DOLLARS. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT POTS. ONE IS HEALTH INSURANCE SAVINGS THAT IS BEING FUNDED BY EVERY DEPARTMENT, CHIPPING IN A LITTLE BIT PER EMPLOYEE EVERY PAY PERIOD. SO THAT'S THIS. LAST YEAR I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE OVER A MILLION GOING INTO IT. WE JUST STARTED THAT FUND TWO YEARS AGO. THE 4 MILLION IS FROM PRIOR COST SAVINGS AND OUR OTHER. OH, AND THE RETIRED LIFE RESERVE. OH YEAH. NO, THAT'S THAT'S THE MONEY THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS SELF-INSURANCE HEALTH INSURANCE.I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE. THERE'S TWO METHODS. ONE IS THE WEEK, THE BIWEEKLY PAYROLL RUN. WE TRANSFER MONEY PER EMPLOYEE. I FORGOT THAT PLUS THE SAVINGS EACH YEAR BECOME THE COUNCIL AND SAY THE GENERAL FUND. WE SAVED THIS MUCH. THIS IS HOW MUCH WE NEED FOR ENCUMBRANCE ROLLOVER. THE DIFFERENCE WE SPLIT BETWEEN CAPITAL SAVINGS AND HEALTH INSURANCE SAVINGS. AND WHERE DOES SALARY SAVINGS GO? WE HAVE SALARY. THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
SALARY SAVINGS SPLIT IS GOING TO CAPITAL AND HEALTH INSURANCE SPLIT 5050 OKAY. IT'S NOT JUST HEALTH INSURANCE SAVINGS ON AN EMPLOYEE SALARY. IT'S COMPENSATION. YEAH SORRY I MISSPOKE. IT'S SALARY SAVINGS WE LOOK AT OKAY. IT'S CONVOLUTED. WE LOOKED AT GENERAL FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR. IF THERE IS EXCESS REVENUE OVER EXPENSES, THE AMOUNT THAT'S ATTRIBUTED TO SALARY SAVINGS OF THAT OVERAGE, THE SPLIT 5050. AND WHEN WE SAY SALARY, ARE WE TALKING SALARY AND BENEFITS OR ARE WE JUST TALKING WAGES PERSONNEL COSTS. AND THE KEY OF THAT IS THAT IT'S ONGOING. SO BECAUSE IT'S IN THE ONGOING BUDGET, AS MARK MENTIONED, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TAKE THOSE FUNDS AND THOSE SAVINGS, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH VACANCIES, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, RETIREMENTS OR ANY KIND OF SAVINGS THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S WHAT THAT MONEY IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY GETS ROLLED BACK INTO THE OPERATING, ONGOING COST OF THE PARTICULARLY THE GENERAL FUND. IT REALLY HELPS THAT BUOYANCE THAT FUND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO I SAID THIS LAST YEAR AND I'LL SAY IT, I THINK AGAIN, JUST AS A REMINDER, AND THAT IS THAT DIRECTORS STILL NEED FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES, MEET MARKET DEMANDS AND ADDRESS THEIR THEIR WORKFORCE THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF A BUDGET YEAR. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST EVERY DOLLAR YOU OR EVERY POSITION THAT ISN'T FILLED. WE'RE DOING THE EXACT MATH, AND YOU'RE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT EXACT AMOUNT. THEY NEED TO WORK WITHIN THAT OVERALL SALARY BUDGETED AMOUNT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO MANAGE THEIR DEPARTMENTS AND THEIR PERSONNEL. AND THEN IT'S WHATEVER'S LEFT OVER FROM AFTER THAT. MANAGEMENT IS ALSO HAPPENING WITH THEIR POSITIONS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CRAZY THINGS GOING ON HERE. IT'S JUST
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SOMETIMES THERE'S A POSITION THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED, OR THERE'S A FTE THAT NEEDS TO TURN INTO TWO PART TIMES OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO AND I THINK THE KEY IS BUT MY EXPERIENCE IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE WAS WHEN I LOST A POSITION EITHER THROUGH RETIREMENT OR A VACANCY, ARE A BUDGET OFFICE WOULD RESET THE POSITION BACK TO THE FIRST STEP. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET AND WE START WORKING ON THAT, THAT COULD IF THAT POSITION HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THAT COULD HAPPEN OVER TIME. BUT THAT'S NOT THE GOAL WITH A VACANCY IS TO RESET IT BACK TO THE FIRST STEP. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN AN ENTRY LEVEL POSITION, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY WHY YOU WOULDN'T BRING THE INDIVIDUAL IN AT A STEP ONE OR STEP TWO. AND WE WORK REALLY WELL WITH HR AND THE FINANCE DIVISION KIND OF BEING ABLE TO JUSTIFY DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR THAT ADDITIONAL STEP IF IT IS AN ENTRY LEVEL POSITION. SO I JUST COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THAT WE TRIED TO MAINTAIN SOME RUBRIC FOR MANAGING. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THAT AND WE CALL THAT FUNDS THAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT HAS THESE SOURCES THAT FEED IT, CALL IT THE HEALTH INSURANCE SAVINGS PROGRAM. YES. AND WE'RE GOING INTO NEW SOFTWARE LOOKING FOR A BETTER TITLE. SO IT'S NOT CONFUSING. OKAY. SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY IDEAS FOR WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO CALL THAT. SEND YOUR SUBMISSIONS AND WINNER GETS AN ICE CREAM. AND TO CLARIFY, THIS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE UNKNOWN. THAT HEALTH INSURANCE FUND THAT WE CALL SAVINGS FUND IS ACTUALLY A SUBUNIT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WE JUST PRESENTED SEPARATELY FOR COUNCIL AND DIRECTOR DISCLOSURE, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY A SUBUNIT OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO THOSE FUNDS ARE AGGREGATED IN ALL THE INVESTMENTS. AND THAT'S ALL GROUPED WITH THE GENERAL FUND. YES. I THINK AT TIME WE TIME WE KICKED AROUND THE IDEA OF CALLING IT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE STABILIZATION FUND, WHICH I THINK THAT BECAUSE HEALTH INSURANCE GOES LIKE THIS, I DON'T THINK IT'S STABILIZING.ALL WE'RE DOING IS JUST OUR CATCH UP FUND, OUR KEEPING PACE WITH FUND RATHER THAN STABILIZING IT. BUT, WELL, HEALTH INSURANCE HISTORICALLY AND DARREN CAN ATTEST, THIS IS A LADDER EFFECT. IT HAS A SPIKE IN A FLAT SPIKE FLAT. SO STABILIZATION WOULD JUST SMOOTH OUT THE SPIKE IN THEORY. BUT THE FUTURE IS NOT SO CLEAR. I THINK THEORY SOUNDED LIKE SIRI, SO BE VERY CAREFUL. DON'T SAY ANYTHING THAT RHYMES WITH SIRI OR ALEXA OR ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY, COUNCIL FRANCIS A QUESTION MARK. THE RECENTLY IN ONE OF THE QUARTERLY REPORTS, YOU INDICATED THAT WE HAD LIKE 8% IN RESERVE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THE GOAL WOULD BE MORE 17 OR PLUS PERCENT IS THAT.
SELF-INSURANCE FUND, $4 MILLION. IS THAT COUNTED AS PART OF THAT? IT IS NOT. IT IS SEPARATE, RIGHT? IT'S SEPARATE. OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR RESERVE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN UNDESIGNATED OR UNFUNDED UNRESERVED FUNDS. OKAY. WHEN WE DO THAT, WE TAKE OUT ANYTHING THAT'S RESTRICTED, DESIGNATED, OBLIGATED. AND THEN THAT'S JUST WHAT'S LEFT OVER. OKAY. OKAY.
ANY OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU THINK WE MIGHT IDENTIFY SOURCES OF REVENUE? THE LAWSUIT HAS POTENTIAL TO NET US SOME DOLLARS COMING IN. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WOULD COME IN, BUT THIS WAS THE. THE OUTCOME OF A LAWSUIT THAT WAS A KOOTENAI COUNTY. NO, NO. SORRY. THE CITY OF ROTHERHAM BROUGHT AGAINST KOOTENAI COUNTY. IT'S ACTUALLY A MULTI-CITY. MULTI-CITY. SO POST-CALL CITY OF COEUR D'ALENE WRATH ROOM, A COUPLE OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THE EAST HIGHWAY DISTRICT, THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED. EAST IDAHO. I DON'T THINK IT'S I HOPE IT'S EAST. SOMETHING I WROTE DISTRICT. BUT YES, THAT THE SUPREME COURT. CLARIFIED THE LAW THAT TWO COUNTIES IN THE STATE HAVE TAKEN THE POSITION THAT TAX PENALTIES AND INTEREST WERE NOT FUNDS THAT COULD BE DISBURSED TO CITIES AND THAT THEY WERE INSTEAD AMOUNTS THAT WERE USED TO COMPENSATE ACCOUNTING IN DOING TAX COLLECTION FOR OTHER AGENCIES. THE SUPREME COURT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. SO KOOTENAI COUNTY WAS THE COUNTY THAT GOT CAUGHT WITH ITS HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR. BUT
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BONNEVILLE COUNTY HAS THE SAME HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR, SO THEY THEY WILL NEED TO DISCONTINUE THAT OR WILL HAVE TO BRING THEIR OWN LAWSUIT TO FORCE THAT. CAN THEY MAKE THEM REIMBURSE ANYTHING FROM THE NEGLIGENCE? THAT'S IT. I RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY REQUEST AND REQUIRE BONNEVILLE COUNTY TO REFUND THE MONEY TO THE CITY THAT IT'S WRONGFULLY DEFINED. FOR HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN? ABOUT TWO YEARS SINCE 2022. NO, 15. SO. AND THEY MATCH IS VERY ROUGHLY WHAT, BETWEEN 150 AND 250 A YEAR. IT'S IT WAS JUST UNDER 200,000. BUT THE PREVIOUS YEARS LEADING UP TO THAT HAD BEEN DECREASING. SO IT'S HARD TO SAY. OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DON'T PUT THAT IN THERE UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE. AND BECAUSE IT JUST WILL BE. USED TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. BUT THE OTHER THING IS, ONE OF THE GROWING TRENDS THAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE ENTERING INTO CONTRACTS TO. HELP THEM OUT ON THEIR COLLECTION PROCESS. SO THAT IS A GROWING TREND. I FULLY SEE THAT THAT WILL COME OUR WAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HAD, LIKE AT OUR IDAHO CITY CLERK TREASURER OFFICE, THEY'RE ENTERING INTO CONTRACTS TO DO WHAT EXACTLY? GIVE THEM AN ADMIN PERCENT ON THE COLLECTION PROCESS, COLLECTION OR TAXES OR LATE FEES, LATE FEES, OVERDUE TAXES. I THINK THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS ARTICULATED OR THE SUPREME COURT'S ARTICULATED, THAT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE PRACTICE. I JUST SAY THAT'S BEEN THE GROWING TREND. OKAY. WELL, IF THAT HAPPENS, I'LL HAVE SOME LEGAL ADVICE. SO I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE GOING FORWARD, WE WILL SEE THOSE DOLLARS RETURN TO US IN THE FORM OF WHAT WHAT THE COUNTY SENDS OVER. BUT IT'S NOT A DEFINABLE AMOUNT. IT'S JUST IT'S AN INDEFINITE AMOUNT GOING FORWARD, GOING BACKWARD. THAT CONVERSATION ISN'T CLEAR YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T SAID, HEY, GIVEN THE LAWSUIT OUTCOME, WOULD YOU PAY US? AND THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED. SO WE'LL ADDRESS THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES. BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE BECAUSE THAT IS IT'S A WIN. AND THE ONLY OTHER THOUGHT IS THAT COUNTIES, IF THEY ARE INCURRING EXPENSES FOR COLLECTION, THAT ARE INORDINATE, THAT ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEMS, THOSE SHOULD BE PUT INTO THEIR EITHER THEIR PENALTY OR THEIR FEE AND THEY SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR THAT. BUT IT SHOULD BE COMING FROM THE TAXPAYER WHO'S DELINQUENT, NOT CITIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS. AND TO BE CLEAR, THE LEGISLATURE'S ALREADY PROVIDED THE MECHANISM FOR THAT TO OCCUR. THE COUNTY CAN COLLECT ITS COSTS AGAINST THE TAXPAYER. SO THERE ISN'T THERE IS NO THE CITY CANNOT COLLECT ITS OWN TAXES. IT'S ILLEGAL FOR THE CITY TO COLLECT ITS OWN TAXES. THE CITY IS AT THE MERCY OF ITS TAX COLLECTING COUNTY, WHICH IS BONNEVILLE COUNTY. SO WE ONLY GET WHAT THEY WILL ENFORCE BECAUSE OF THAT REASON THAT THE COUNTY CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHO'S GOING TO PAY ITS COLLECTION FEES, BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THE TAXPAYER PAYS THEIR FEES AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHATEVER AMOUNTS ARE OWED DUE TO THE COLLECTION EFFORT, NOT UP THE NOT THE CONSTITUENT SISTER JURISDICTIONS. RIGHT. SO IF WE THINK OF ANY OTHER SOURCES OF INCOME TO PUT ON THE LIST BESIDES THE OBVIOUS, SO LET'S APPLY FOR A GRANT THAT COMES ALONG AND LET'S HOPE THAT SOMEBODY LOSES ALL THEIR MONEY IN THEIR WILL. I MEAN, THOSE MIGHT POP UP, BUT WE CAN'T COUNT THOSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK NOW WE'RE READY TO. DO YOU THINK FIRST. OKAY. SO THE NEXT SECTION IS TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES. AND WE HAVE OUR OUR MASTER LIST OF PRIORITIES. YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IT. YOU KNOW SHOWS KIND OF COLOR CODING THE PRIORITY THE GOALS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH IT AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE'VE SHARED THOSE IN THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS OUT, I THINK WAS IN OUR BUDGET MEETING, AND IT'S IN THE COUNCIL'S RIGHT. I THINK IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. BUT THIS THERE ARE 20 GOALS LIST PRIORITIES LISTED HERE, AND THEY'RE LISTED BY ASPIRATION. AND THEY INCLUDE LAST YEAR'S AND THIS YEAR'S. AND SO THIS 20 REPRESENTS, I THINK THE TOTALITY OF THE CONVERSATION. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A BUDGET MEETING AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT TO YOU MARGARET. BUT MARGARET HAS PULLED THE PRIORITY PLANNING SHEETS FOR THOSE PRIORITIES THAT HAVE A MONEY ASK WHETHER IT'S ONE YEAR OR MULTIYEAR, AND THOSE WILL BE THE ONES THAT WE TALK ABOUT. ALL OF THE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT DON'T HAVE A[01:50:01]
MONEY ELEMENT TO THEM. WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THOSE IN A DIFFERENT MEETING. SO IF YOU WANT AN UPDATE OR WE'VE ALREADY ASKED THE DIRECTORS, WHEN THEY DO THEIR FOCUS REPORTS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, DO A FOCUS ON THE PRIORITIES, THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT KIND OF THING. SO THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO LEARN ABOUT THE POLICY ASPECTS OF THE PRIORITIES. BUT TODAY WE'RE FOCUSING ON BUDGET. AND SO IF THAT'S CLEAR ENOUGH AND IF I'M NOT BEING CLEAR, WE CAN CLARIFY.BUT I'M GOING TO TURN IT TO YOU, MARGARET, AND I'LL PASS THESE OUT. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. AS AS MAYOR SAID, I HAD JUST PULLED ALL OF THE PRIORITY PLANNING INFORMATION SHEETS THAT DIRECTORS HAD SUBMITTED THAT HAD ANY KIND OF BUDGET PIECE TO THEM. IN SOME CASES, IT WAS MONEY THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED IN LAST FISCAL YEAR. SOMETIMES THEY THEY'RE THEY INCLUDE REQUESTS FOR FUNDING OVER THE NEXT SORT OF 4 TO 5 YEARS. IN SOME CASES, THERE'S A REQUEST FOR FUNDING IN SORT OF TWO YEARS FROM NOW, ALL OF THE FUNDING REQUESTS FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS SPREADSHEET THAT WILL BE GOING OVER. BUT IF YOU NEED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON HOW THE DEPARTMENTS SEE OUTLINING HOW THEY'RE GOING TO USE THESE FUNDS TO MEET THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES OR ENACT THOSE COUNCIL PRIORITIES, THESE PLANNING SHEETS SHOULD GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ABOUT THAT SORT OF HOW THE HOW HOW THE BUDGET, HOW THE MONIES WOULD BE WOULD BE SPENT. BUT AGAIN, FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR, ALL OF THESE REQUESTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET WORKSHEET. THAT WILL BE WILL BE WORKING THROUGH TOGETHER AS A GROUP. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PRIORITIES. ALMOST HALF OF THEM DO NOT REQUIRE ANY BUDGET ASKS AT THIS POINT. THEY MAY BE, THEY MAY. THERE MAY BE SOME MONEY ATTACHED TO THEM IN THE FUTURE, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE JUST SORT OF DIFFERENT PRIORITIES, DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING BUSINESS OR CONTINUING TO DO THE WORK THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. SO AS I SAID, THERE'S TWO SORT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT WE'VE WE'VE WORKED THROUGH, AND I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY JUST LARGELY USE THESE AS BACKUP AS WE SORT OF WORK THROUGH THOSE, WORK THROUGH THAT SPREADSHEET. BUT IF YOU DO HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE PRIORITIES OR THE FUNDING, I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND AS BEST I CAN.
AND THEN OUR DIRECTORS ARE ON HAND BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE REALLY THE ONES THAT ARE PUTTING THESE COUNCIL PRIORITIES INTO ACTION IN OUR COMMUNITY. I WILL JUST SAY THAT WE DID RUN OUT.
FOUR OF YOU DIDN'T GET A COPY OR MAYBE FIVE OF YOU. AND SO WE WILL PUT I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE COUNCIL AND IN THE DIRECTOR DRIVE. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THEM ARE THERE, ALL 20 OR ALL OF THEM THAT NEED TO BE THERE. BUT AS FAR AS THE PAPER COPY, LET ME KNOW VIA THIS TEXT IF YOU WANT A PAPER COPY, AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET ONE OF WHAT I JUST HANDED OUT. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC PRIORITIES? OR ARE YOU OR YOU? CAN WE JUST ADDRESS THEM AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT SPREADSHEET? HOW DO YOU WANT TO APPROACH THAT? HOW ARE THEY IDENTIFIED ON THE SPREADSHEET ROWS? JUST THE ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED IN DARKER BLUE. ARE THOSE COUNCIL PRIORITY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WERE FUNDED REQUESTS. OKAY. SO SHE'S HIGHLIGHTED ONE THERE.
IT SAYS PERMANENT PROCESS CONSULTING THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL PRIORITY EXPENDITURE. IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR IDENTIFYING THAT AS WE GO THROUGH. AND WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH BY DEPARTMENT WHEN WE DO ALL OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THEIR REQUESTS? OR DO YOU WANT TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT PRIORITY COSTS RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN GO BY SHEET BY SHEET IN YOUR LITTLE PACKET. I PREFER TO DO IT AS WE GO THROUGH THE SPREADSHEET, AS WE GO THROUGH THE SPREADSHEET. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME BROOKS HAS COLOR CODED SOME OF THE DIFFERENT REQUESTS IN THAT SPREADSHEET. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE FULL TIME PLANNER THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN BECAUSE IT'S A PERSONNEL ASK, BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY ALSO PART OF THE A PRIORITY REQUEST. BUT AGAIN, AS WE WORK THROUGH THOSE WITH THE DEPARTMENT, WITH EACH DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE PIECES.
OKAY. SO THIS LITTLE MINI PACKET THEN OF ONLY THE PRIORITIES WITH MONEY PIECES, THAT JUST BECOMES A RESOURCE FOR YOU, AN FYI THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AS WE'RE TALKING TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. I HAVE I HAVE ONE MORE BUDGET ASSUMPTION QUESTION. SO IN THERE WERE THERE WAS A COUNCIL PRIORITY THAT WE TRY AND RIGHTSIZE THE REC, YOU KNOW, THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS AND ALL OF THAT. AND THEN BUT THERE'S ALSO THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE
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GETTING A 10% INCREASE TO THE REC LEVY IS THAT ARE THOSE TWO THINGS? NOT THIS YEAR, NOT THIS YEAR. SO THE 10% REC LEVY DOES IT DOES NOT GO UP IN THE OKAY OKAY. THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS NOT CHANGING. BUT FEES MAY BE CHANGING ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS. YEAH.BUT THAT WAS JUST KIND OF SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN BAKED IN ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAD TO GET REC HEALTHY. WE SAW IT IN THE FOCUS REPORT THAT THERE WOULD BE A 10%. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS I THINK WE DID ONE LAST YEAR. YEAH, I SORRY, I BELIEVE IT WAS A 10% UNTIL WE HIT A CERTAIN NUMBER AND WE HIT THAT. SO YOU DID HIT. SO THAT WAS THE SO IT BALANCED THAT OFF.
I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY THAT. AND I'M LOOKING OVER AT MARK. YOU KNOW I BELIEVE WE LOOKED AT OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD AND ALSO A THREE YEAR PERIOD UP TO A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT. MARK.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION A FEW YEARS AGO. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE DID. BUT IT WAS INDEXED TO WAGES SO THAT. BECAUSE A 3% INCREASE WOULD JUST BE SWALLOWED UP IN WAGES ALTOGETHER WITH OUR INCREASING WAGES SO THAT WE WERE IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SHIFTING TARGET. BUT IF YOU WERE TO SAY WHAT I PRESENTED, WHAT, FOUR YEARS AGO, THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR, WE HAVE HIT THAT, BUT IT'S NOT INDEXED TO WHAT THE WAGES HAVE GROWN SINCE THEN. YES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND THIS YEAR REC HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER THAT HAD SOME PERSONNEL SAVINGS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE UP THAT GAP OF NOT INCREASING THEIR PROPERTY TAX. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT THEN AS A FEE AS OPPOSED TO COMING BACK TO IT. YEAH, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO DO ONE MORE REC INCREASE TO FINALIZE THAT INDEX THAT WE WERE CALCULATING FOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO THEN KEEPING PRIORITIES IN MIND GOT A LOT OF IN FRONT OF YOU. THE REST OF THESE SHEETS ARE IN THE DRIVE. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE MISSING. WE HAVE 20. THERE ARE ONLY 15 THAT ARE IN THERE. THREE OF WELL ALL THE ONES THAT ARE MISSING HAVE MAYOR'S OFFICE AS PART OF IT. AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT IN THE WHOLE WORK OF THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE SAID, LET'S WORK ON OUR PRIORITIES. AND IT'S EMBARRASSING. WE JUST DON'T WE DON'T TREAT OURSELVES AS A DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. WE'RE JUST A ORGANIZING UNIT MOST OF THE TIME. BUT WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND WORK ON THOSE. THERE ARE TWO OF THOSE. THREE HAVE BUDGETARY IMPACTS. RIGHT? OR YES. I MEAN, THE ONE THAT'S SORT OF PART OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, BUT ALSO THE CORE EXECUTIVE TEAM IS THE ERP PROJECT. WE PULLED THAT OUT AND MADE IT A PRIORITY IN ALL, THOSE FIGURES ARE SORT OF BAKED INTO THE BUDGET AS A AS A WHOLE. BUT WE DO NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND PULL THOSE OUT. SO I'LL BE WORKING WITH WITH MARK ON THAT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND ALSO THE EXECUTIVE TEAM. THE SECOND ONE HAD TO DO WITH SORT OF THE COMMUNICATIONS AND USING OUR SURVEY DATA TO SORT OF INCREASE OUR AWARENESS AND OUR CONNECTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. WITH THE DEPARTURE OF OUR PIO, THAT WORK HAS BEEN SORT OF HAS BEEN STALLED. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE FULLY STOCKED, WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT. AND THERE COULD BE SOME SOFTWARE PIECES THAT, AGAIN, IT'S INCLUDED IN OUR MAYOR'S OFFICE BUDGET, WHICH IS MOVING, YOU KNOW, USING MONEY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FILL THOSE. OKAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER THREE THAT AREN'T IN THERE ARE ALL UNDER THE ASPIRATION OF RELATIONSHIP BUILDING, AND NONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BUDGETARY IMPACT. AND THOSE WILL PROBABLY GET INTO THAT FOLDER LAST, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET ERP IN THERE FIRST AND WE'LL GET THE OTHER COMMUNICATIONS PIECE WITH THE POTENTIAL SOFTWARE COSTS. WE'LL GET THAT IN THERE BOTH BEFORE NEXT WEEK'S MEETING. DWAYNE. YEAH, I DO NEED TO ADD ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PRIORITIES THAT YOU RECEIVED WAS FOR THE REGIONAL TRAINING CENTER. AND AS YOU SEE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE, WE DIDN'T EXPECT TO POTENTIALLY GO TO FEASIBLE FEASIBILITY STUDY OR DESIGN UNTIL 2627. SINCE WE BUILT THE PRIORITY AND WORK THE BUDGET, WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY PARTNER COME FORWARD THAT WOULD HELP US WITH A DESIGN AND CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, SO WE'D LIKE TO ADD THAT TO OUR REQUEST LIST. IT CAN BE USED, IMPACT FEES CAN BE USED FOR THOSE, BUT WE WOULD NEED ABOUT $50,000 OF AUTHORITY TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO THE IMPACT NO, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD FOR THE EFFECT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE ON YOUR BUDGET WOULD JUST BE TO DELAY SOME.
IT'S CHANGING THE ORDER, THE ORDER THAT IMPACTING PROJECTS ARE IN LINE. IT'S BASICALLY JUST
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PUSHING PUSHING THE PRIORITY, THE DEVELOPMENT, THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND SITE PLAN WORK FORWARD A FISCAL YEAR. AND SO THAT MEANS THAT SOMETHING FROM THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WOULD IMPACT FEES WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON WILL GET DELAYED. THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH MONEY IN IMPACT FEES. I THINK THERE'S JUST OVER $1 MILLION NOW IN IMPACT FEES IN THE FIRE SIDE. SO THE CAPACITY ELEMENT THEN THAT THE BUDGET HAS TO HAVE THAT EXTRA CAPACITY. BUT THERE'S PROBABLY FUNDING.BECAUSE WE TALKED ■ABOUT THAT, THAT WE CAN FORWARD FUND OUT OF THAT ONE IMPACT FEE CATEGORY FOR THIS PLAN. WE CAN USE THAT FOR THAT PLAN. YEAH. AND WE PUT A MORATORIUM ON SPENDING IMPACT FEES THAT WERE BEING COLLECTED UNDER THE OLD ORDINANCE. AND THESE ARE WOULD BE IMPACT FEE DOLLARS COMING IN UNDER THE NEW ORDINANCE. OR ARE WE JUST WE DID MAKE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN COLLECTED WHERE WE HAD WORKED THROUGH WITH BASED ON ADVICE FROM CITY ATTORNEY ON WHICH ONES WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND OUT OF THIS CURRENT ORDINANCE COLLECTION, IS THIS SPENDING OF THE MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED? THIS WOULD BE, YEAH, IT'S JUST BEEN FROZEN. SO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THEN WOULD REMAIN FROZEN UNTIL THOSE DOLLARS ARE BUILT. CORRECT. OR WOULDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL OKAY. IS THAT CLEAR AS MUD OR DID IT MAKE SENSE? NEW DOLLARS ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THAT. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAD A LITTLE WRINKLE TO YOUR BROW. WE'RE OKAY. I'M NOT CLEAR WHETHER IT'S THE OLD OR THE. I THINK THAT THE ONES FOR THIS PROJECT WERE, WERE ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER UNFREEZING BASED ON THE REVIEW THAT WE DID, A FEW WOULD BE THE OLD, AGO, IT WOULD BE THE OLD SOME OF SOME OF PLAYERS IMPACT FEES. THE FEELING IS, I THINK FROM LEGAL AND HE CAN CHIME IN, BUT BELIEVES THAT WE ARE OKAY TO SPEND SOME OF THOSE IMPACT FEES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. AND WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. SO IT'S LESS ABOUT OLD AND NEW.
MAYBE, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE IT. IT'S JUST THAT RIGHT NOW WE ARE. BECAUSE ONCE THE LAWSUIT IS RESOLVED, IT'S JUST ONE ONE BUNCH OF MONEY CALLED IMPACT FEES. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CAN'T SPEND THE ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED JUST YET, UNLESS WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE COULD. YES. OKAY, I AGREE, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY, I DON'T I AT ONE TIME I REMEMBERED THE PARAMETERS THAT WE PUT BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR DEPARTMENTS AND EACH ONE HAD A SEPARATE LIST OF PARAMETERS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE SPECIFIED THAT. WE DID SPECIFY OKAY. THERE'S A FEW MEETINGS BACK. DO YOU REMEMBER HOW WE SPECIFIED I'D HAVE TO PULL THEM UP BY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE AS YOU SAID THEY WERE DIFFERENT. BUT I BELIEVE THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO UNFREEZE THOSE, THOSE FUNDS. SO WE WOULD NEED BEFORE WE OKAY. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY RECOLLECTION WAS, IS IF WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AN ACTIVE CONTRACT. SO WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVE CONTRACT AT THE NORTH STATION. AND IT CAN WE CAN DEMONSTRATE GROWTH IN THAT AREA AS WELL. AND SO I THINK WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A CONVERSATION PRELIMINARILY ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE THAT'S REQUIRED OR THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO.
WE DID HAVE A COUPLE PARKS PROJECTS THAT WE NEEDED TO WE MADE SOME COMMITMENTS FOR THAT WERE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES WANT TO JUMP IN, BUT THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT THE INSTRUCTIONS AND THE GUIDELINES WERE. WE ALSO HAD SOME PUBLIC WORK PROJECTS THAT WERE TIED TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, TOO, THAT WE SAID THAT. YEAH. OKAY. I THOUGHT SHE SAID THAT FIRST. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE ON. SO WE'RE MOVING ON FROM PRIORITIES ALL TOGETHER. AND NOW MOVING TO WHAT IS IT NEXT? BROOKS WELL, JUST WALK THROUGH THEIR DIFFERENT REQUESTS BY DEPARTMENT OKAY. SO YOU ALL RECEIVED A HANDOUT. ONE IS ALL OF THE REQUESTS. THE SHORTER ONE THAT'S JUST TWO PAGES IS LIMITED DOWN TO THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE FUNDING. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT KIND OF ARE UP FOR DISCUSSION. BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE REQUESTS THAT ARE INCLUDED. I THINK I DID OVERLOOK THE VERY FIRST BULLET ABOVE BEFORE FUNDING REQUESTS FOR COUNCIL PRIORITIES, WHICH WE JUST FINISHED, WAS CUTBACKS. HOW DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT CUTBACKS? WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN THE CONVERSATION? OR DO YOU HAVE A LIST SOMEWHERE? SO WE MADE A BUNCH OF REDUCTIONS AND THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE PUT THINGS BACK INTO THIS LIST IF THEY WANTED TO REQUEST IT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. OKAY, OKAY. AND IF THEY DIDN'T ADD IT TO THIS LIST AFTER IT WAS CUT, THEN YOU DIDN'T WANT IT THAT BADLY ANYWAY. KIND OF A
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THING, RIGHT? IT'S JUST IT'S NOT THERE. IT'S GONE. OKAY. AND BROOKS, JUST TO CLARIFY THE SHORT SPREADSHEET, IT SAYS ONE OF THREE, BUT IT'S JUST A TWO PAGER, RIGHT. JUST FRONT AND BACK. YEAH OKAY. PERFECT. SO CAN I, I WOULD ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THAT BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS INFLUENCED A LOT OF HOW MY THINKING HAS GONE TOWARDS THIS BUDGET. I FEEL LIKE WE KNEW THAT THE SAFER GRANT WAS COMING TOWARDS US, AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT $400,000 OUT OF THE BUILDING TO COVER OUR HOLE IN FUNDING SOURCES. SO IT FEELS LIKE THERE IS A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PROBABLY, THAT WE HAD SAID WOULD WE WOULD NEED TOWARDS PERSONNEL IN FIRE. AND THEN ALSO STREETS TOOK A REALLY BIG HIT FOR GETTING US TO A BALANCED BUDGET THIS YEAR. SO AS FAR AS AS DEFICITS GO, THERE IS I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T COME NECESSARILY COME THROUGH IN THIS REQUEST. BUT THOSE ARE BIG HOLES IN MY MIND. STILL, HOLES ARE SACRIFICES. SACRIFICES TO BUDGETS THAT I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT THAT IS A LOT OF HOW I AM THINKING IS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE COMPARING SOME OF THIS AGAINST IS THOSE SACRIFICES FROM THOSE DEPARTMENTS. AND SO I'M PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY THOUGHTS AS A COUNCILMEMBER ARE LEADING ARE LEADING ME, IS THAT THERE ARE SOME BIG SACRIFICES IN DEPARTMENT SPENDING. BUT COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE SAFER GRANT? WELL, THE FIRE, SAFER GRANT, WE'VE KIND OF KNOWN THAT IT WAS GOING TO COME TO AN END THIS YEAR. RIGHT. AND I THINK THE IDEA, ALTHOUGH IT WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY GIVEN TO FIRE, WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE THE $400,000 FROM THE BUILDING. IT WASN'T IT WAS NEVER PROMISED. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT BUT IT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THERE WAS SOME ANTICIPATION THAT WOULD LEAD UP TO FEELING LIKE THAT'S A FUNDING SOURCE. AND SO WHEN WE NEEDED THAT MONEY TO FILL IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, I THINK THAT FIRE ENDED UP WITH LIKE MAYBE A THREE QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR CUT TO THEIR BUDGET, WHICH I, I JUST THINK IS A BIG PART OF HOW THEY'RE FUNDING THAT 600 PLUS THOUSAND FOR THE SAFER GRANT. IS THAT ABOUT THE RIGHT PERSONNEL? YEAH. FOR PERSONNEL. RIGHT. RATHER THAN USING IT FOR FACILITY. RIGHT. OKAY. COUNCIL PRESIDENT CAN I CAN I CLARIFY JUST A LITTLE BIT. SO THE 400,000 THAT IS THE PAYBACK OF FIRE STATION ONE. CORRECT. AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PART OF THAT PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT THAT $400,000 WAS FOR. YEAH. SO I SO IN IN THOSE TWO BUDGETS EVEN THOUGH THEY THEY'RE REPRESENTED DIFFERENTLY HERE. THAT IS PART OF MY PART OF MY THINKING IS THAT THAT THERE ARE SACRIFICES. THAT'S THE BETTER WORD TO SUM DEPARTMENTS THAT I'M WEIGHING WEIGHING INTO THIS AS WELL AS ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT'S ABSORBED, BUT IT'S NOT PROPERLY ABSORBED AS IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE IT HITS THE DEPARTMENTS TOO HARD. IT'S GOING TO HIT SOME DEPARTMENTS HARDER.AND SO IF I'M LOOKING AT AT SOME OF THESE OTHER REQUESTS, IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING, IS IT COMPARABLE TO RESTORING SOME OF THAT MONEY TO SOME OF THOSE BUDGETS THAT HAVE TAKEN THE LARGER OF THE SACRIFICES IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? I GOT IT, AND I'M WITH YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT PAM SAID, MAYBE OH, OKAY, MAYBE THIS ALMOST MAKES SENSE TO MY BRAIN. EVERY TIME YOU SAID BUILDING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT REPAYING FOR FIRE, CORRECT? ONCE. THAT WAS. NOW THAT THAT'S BEEN PAID OFF THIS YEAR, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT 400 EXTRA THOUSAND DOLLARS. WANT TO REDIRECT IT? YEAH. AND WE WERE AND WE DID NOT REDIRECT IT TO PERSONNEL. WE USED IT TO FILL THE, THE DEFICIT. I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE FORGIVING THIS YEAR'S PAYMENT. AND IT WASN'T GOING TO BE PAID OFF UNTIL NEXT YEAR. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL SAY THAT THAT LAST PAYMENT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND, THE GENERAL FUND WAS REPAYING ITSELF BY PUTTING THIS AMOUNT IN THE FIRE BUDGET, EVERY BUDGET, EVERY YEAR, TO THEN MAKE A PAYMENT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE IT WAS THE GENERAL FUND THAT STOOD UP AT THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION. AND SO WE'RE WE ARE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO REPAY OURSELVES. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND REDIRECT IT. THIS YEAR WE DIDN'T REDIRECT IT TO FIRE. WE REDIRECTED IT TO THE BUT IT WASN'T MONEY. IT WAS FIRED TO PAY OFF FIRE STATION. YES. OKAY.
YES. BUT I DO REMEMBER YEARS PRIOR HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BEING ONE OF THE POTENTIAL SOURCES TO PAY ON THE SAFETY. OH, IN MY MIND, IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE NEEDED TO GO
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TOWARD THE NEXT BUILDING BECAUSE CLEARLY WE'RE BUILDING ANOTHER FACILITY NOW. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT, I DON'T EVER REMEMBER HEARING THAT. WE WERE THINKING OF TYING IT TO THE SAFER GRANT. SO THAT'S GOOD, GOOD INFORMATION. IT'S NOT RELEVANT BECAUSE YOU GUYS MAKE NEW DECISIONS NOW. BUT BUT IT'S RELEVANT BUT IT'S NOT CORRECT. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT. BUT IT'S A BIGGER CUT TO SOME BUDGETS THAN YES. AND I THINK I THINK WHAT, WHAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT COUNCIL PRESIDENT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE GREATER SACRIFICE, BUT ALSO THE CONCERN OF MAINTAINING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD EXPECT. AND SO THAT PUTS A LOT OF BURDEN ON THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY HAVE REDUCED THEIR BUDGETS SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO STILL PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THE RESIDENTS EXPECT. IS THAT FAIR? IT IS. AND THAT'S THE SAME THE SAME MINDSET THAT I'M USING AGAINST THIS WITH STREETS. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO THAT I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW A LITTLE OF WHAT I'M WEIGHING OUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE STREETS OVER THE FIRE A LITTLE BIT. I APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION AND IT DEFINITELY IS DIFFICULT. I SAID THAT LAST TIME. I TAKE US BACK TO THOSE 2024 PRIORITIES, EVEN OF THE STATION WAS A PRIORITY IN 24 TO BUILD THE NORTHERN STATION AND THE STAFFING. WE'RE BUILDING A STATION, BUT WE'RE NOT STAFFING IT. IN FACT, WE MOVED BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT WITH PERSONNEL AGAIN. AND SO IT IS A PROBLEM THAT'S GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OPERATIONAL WHEN IT'S BUILT, BUT IT IS GOING TO PUT SOME SERIOUS STRAIN ON OUR WORKFORCE. WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE STAFFING AT THE STATION, REDUCED STAFFING AT STATION. SO IT IS A CHALLENGE THAT IS FACING US IN THE COMING YEARS AS WELL, THAT THOSE PERSONNEL ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED AS WE PRIORITIZE. A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THAT'S HOW MANY FTE. THAT'S PROBABLY 15, BUT YOU COULD SPREAD THAT OVER MORE AND WE COULD PROBABLY GO WITH NINE PROBABLY. NINE AND MOVE AN AMBULANCE AROUND A LITTLE BIT, PROBABLY FINE. BUT WE WOULD NEED TO STOP THE ENGINE NOW. IT'D BE 9 TO 12 PEOPLE. NINE WOULD JUST COVER THE GUYS ON DUTY, WOULD COVER ANY VACATION OR SICK. SO WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 12. RIGHT? ONGOING CHALLENGES. THANK YOU FOR RAISING THE POINT. YOU PROBABLY HAD SOME THOUGHTS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AS WELL AS MOVING FORWARD. ANYTHING ON ON THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD? NO, I THINK JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS REALLY DID DIVE INTO TO CUT WHERE THEY NEEDED TO, TO MAKE REDUCTIONS, TO MAKE THINGS BALANCE. BUT AND YOU ONLY KNOCKED ON THE DOORS OF THOSE WHOSE BUDGET WAS UP 5% OVER THE THEIR OPERATIONS OR LAST YEAR'S OR WHAT WAS 5% OVER WHAT THEIR OPERATING INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR. THAT'S IT. MORE THAN 5% INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR.AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WASN'T JUST DEPARTMENT. THAT WAS BY DIVISION. CORRECT.
SO IT WASN'T JUST OVERALL DEPARTMENT 5%. IT WAS DIFFERENT DIVISIONS THAT WERE IN EACH DEPARTMENT. SO A LOT OF A LOT OF DIVISIONS GOT TO TALK AT A REQUEST TO CUT THAT LINE. OKAY.
NOW WE'RE READY. OKAY. SO IN THE HANDOUTS YOU'VE GOT ONE THAT HAS ALL OF THE REQUESTS. THE JUST TO ORIENT YOU. IT'S BY DIVISION AND DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE GENERAL BY DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND FIRST, THEN OUR OTHER SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS AND THEN OUR CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS. IT'S GOT THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE REQUEST AND ANY ANTICIPATED FUNDING SOURCES. SO THAT MAY BE FROM GRANTS, FROM IMPACT FEES, FROM MURPH. WE'VE IDENTIFIED EVERYTHING IN THERE THAT IS REQUESTED AND IT'S OFFSETTING SOURCE OF REVENUE. IF THERE IS ONE, THEN THE FAR RIGHT IN THE BOX IS THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE KIND OF LEFT OVER UNFUNDED, WHETHER IT'S THE FULL AMOUNT OR JUST A PARTIAL AMOUNT. SO WE CAN KIND OF IF YOU SHRINK DOWN TO JUST THOSE ITEMS THAT DON'T HAVE FUNDING, THAT'S THE OTHER HANDOUT. THAT'S JUST TWO PAGES, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE ONE BY ONE JUST TO HAVE EVERY DEPARTMENT EXPLAIN THEIR REQUESTS. AND I THINK WE WANTED TO LIMIT IT DOWN TO JUST THE ONES THAT ARE NOT FULLY FUNDED. IS THAT CORRECT? ACTUALLY, MAYBE ONE MORE THING, LIKE THE SECURITY UPGRADES TO THE TREASURER AND THE BILLING OFFICE. I MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S A PRIOR YEAR ROLL FORWARD, BUT I HAVE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE SECURITY UPGRADES THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO PUBLIC WORKS AND CDS AND FEELING LIKE WE'RE BECOMING A LITTLE BIT OF A FORT KNOX. SO I'M NOT REALLY COMPLETELY SURE, YOU
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KNOW, IF THESE ARE JUST LIKE THE BADGES AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING, THEN THAT'S ONE THING.BUT IF THIS IS JUST AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS LIST. SO I APOLOGIZE, PAM, IF THAT'S CAUGHT YOU OFF GUARD. OH NO, NOT AT ALL. SO OUR UTILITY BILLING AREA, IT WILL IT WILL DO MORE OF LIKE A STOREFRONT TYPE OF FEE IF YOU WILL, JUST BECAUSE WE GET THE MAJORITY OF OUR ACTIVITY DISGRUNTLED CUSTOMERS IN THAT AREA. AND RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT IS PLACED IS THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISGRUNTLED CUSTOMER WALK ALL THE WAY BACK INTO THE FAR END OF THE INTO THE WORKSPACE. WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS PUT SOMEWHAT LIKE A STOREFRONT LOOK TO IT. SO THERE'S NO CONTROLLED ACCESS. IT'S JUST HAVING A STOREFRONT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON LIKE AN A BANK OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AND IT'S THE SAME THING OVER IN OUR TREASURER'S AREA AS WELL, JUST REALLY TRYING TO PROTECT THE STAFF AND ALSO THE FUNDS AND THE ACTIVITY THAT GOES THROUGH THOSE AREAS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE ACCESS TO FRONT DOOR AND THEN ANOTHER DOOR. IT IS IT'S JUST MORE OF LIKE A STOREFRONT CONTROLLED PUBLIC ACCESS PIECE. THANK YOU. SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. KIND OF A SETUP. NO, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THE TREASURER'S OFFICE OR EVEN THE OTHER OFFICE BEING A FULL WALL ALL THE WAY UP. WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP, BUT. JUST A LITTLE BIT SOME SOME SAFETY GLASS AND JUST MORE OF AN AREA WHERE STAFF CAN FEEL A LITTLE SAFER WITH PEOPLE NOT JUST BEING ABLE TO WALK BACK AND, YOU KNOW, CONDUCT, CONDUCT WHO THEY WANT TO TALK TO AND REALLY KIND OF LIMIT THAT ACCESS A LITTLE BIT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. OKAY. YEAH. NO QUESTION ON THAT ONE. WHEN IT SAYS PRIOR TO YOUR ROLL FORWARD, I WAS ASSUMING THAT MEANT IT WAS BUDGETED LAST YEAR AND YOU BUT YOU DIDN'T SPEND IT. BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT THAT MEANS. YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT BUDGETED LAST YEAR. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE WAITING ON IS WE WERE WAITING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE CITY HALL ELEVATOR. WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE DOING TWO PROJECTS SIMULTANEOUSLY. AND SO WHY WE WHEN WE BUDGETED, WE WERE STILL OUTLINING THE AREA THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR THE FOOTPRINT FOR OUR CLERK'S OFFICE AS WELL AS OUR MAYOR'S OFFICE. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS AFTER THE ELEVATOR WAS INSTALLED AND ALL THOSE AREAS WERE SET, WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE OTHER TWO AREAS, THE UTILITY BILLING AREA AND THEN ALSO THE TREASURER'S AREA. SO THEY WERE BUDGETED THIS CURRENT YEAR. AND SO IT WOULD JUST BE TAKING THOSE FUNDS AND ROLLING THOSE OVER. SO WHEN I'M READING THESE SPREADSHEETS, I WAS READING THAT AS MONEY. THAT IS NOT NEW. IMPACT ON THE 26TH BUDGET. THE DOLLARS ARE ALREADY THERE, THE DOLLARS ARE THERE. BUT I'M GOING TO LOOK OVER AT OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE MANAGERS TO CONFIRM THAT. BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. ALL THE ITEMS MARKED AS PRIOR YEAR CARRY FORWARD ARE THINGS THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS YEAR. SO THEY WERE FUNDED FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR. BUT THEY'RE ROLLING TO THE NEXT. THINGS LIKE THE FUEL CANOPY. CORRECT OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH EXCLUDING THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE FUNDED, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH MURPH OR THROUGH PRIOR YEAR CARRYFORWARD OR GRANTS THAT ARE FULLY FUNDING ITEMS? YEAH. SO THIS IS WHERE IT WOULD HELP TO KNOW WHICH ONES FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY WITHOUT HAVING TO READ EACH ONE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE COLOR CODING COMES IN HANDY, RIGHT? IT'S ANYTHING THAT HAS AN AMOUNT IN THAT RIGHT HAND BOX. ANY AMOUNTS THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF YOU FEEL I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE GOING THROUGH THIS SINGLE SHEET FIRST. YEAH. BECAUSE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE SAME THING. YEAH. UNLESS YOU UNLESS YOU GOT AN ISSUE WITH ONE OF THESE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH I AGREE. UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING WRONG ON THIS SHEET, DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS OKAY. SO IF THERE'S NO FUNDING IN THE ANTICIPATED FUNDING SOURCES IN THE LONG VERSION, IT'S IT IS THE SHORT VERSION. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE ONLY ADDITION TO THAT IS ALL THE FTE REQUESTS I HAVE LEFT ON THERE. JUST SO WE CAN TALK THROUGH THOSE. SOME OF THEM ARE FUNDED, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NOT. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THOSE FTE REQUESTS, BECAUSE THOSE DO HAVE AN ONGOING IMPACT TO THE CITY. OKAY. CAN I BRING SOMETHING UP BEFORE YOU START? SO SOME OF US REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE DID A INSTEAD OF A YES OR NO ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN HERE. WE DID A ONE, 2 OR 3 ON THINGS. RIGHT. AND WE WENT THROUGH IT AND WE WHITTLED IT DOWN. AND WHEN IT GOT TO A ONE, WE TOOK IT OFF THE LIST. IT WAS GOING TO BE FUNDED. AND THEN WE THEN WE WORKED ON THE TWOS AND SOME OF THE TWOS BECAME ONES AND THEY WERE TAKEN OFF THE LIST. AND THE THREES DID WERE NOT EVER GOING TO GET FUNDED. RIGHT. DO
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YOU REMEMBER THAT EXERCISE WE DID. DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN INTEREST IN DOING THAT AGAIN? I MEAN I YOU KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE YES OR NO. BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR MAYBE AND WE'RE SET UP TO DO THAT IN THIS DISCUSSION. WE CAN MARK THINGS IN A PRIORITY ORDER OR SAY, YES, LET'S FUND IT. AND WE CAN KIND OF SEE OFF TO THE RIGHT WHERE WE'RE AT IN OUR FUNDING AVAILABLE. IF WE DO ONE, 2 OR 3, THEN WE KNOW THE ONES ARE GOOD, WE KNOW THEY'RE DONE, AND THEN THE TWOS ARE WE CAN GO BACK AND REVISIT THEM. THE THREES WE KNOW ARE DONE ALSO. SO THE WAY THE WAY THIS IS SET UP I CAN CHANGE THIS TO A YES. AND THAT'LL FUND IT HERE. AND IT'LL FUND IT UNDER A SOURCE. IF WE WANT TO PUT IT TO A SPECIFIC SOURCE AS WELL. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A, IF IT HAS A NO CAN WE DO IT A ONE OR CAN WE DO A 2 OR 3. YEAH. WE CAN PRIORITIZE EVERYTHING HERE TO SEE WHAT WE WANT TO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE. I BELIEVE IT WAS 5 MILLION IN REQUESTS ABOUT AND NOT THAT MUCH MONEY AVAILABLE. YEAH. SO. IF YOU'RE WANTING TO START PRIORITIZING TODAY THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED FOR STAFF. BUT THE ORIGINAL INTENT FOR TODAY WAS TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHY IT'S BEING ASKED, WHAT IS THIS? WHY? WHY DO YOU NEED IT? HOW COME YOU DIDN'T DIDN'T YOU DO THIS LAST THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS? AND THEN NEXT WEEK WAS THE WHITTLING DOWN WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE? OKAY, WE CAN START THIS THIS WEEK, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REACH ANY CONCLUSIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T YET KNOW OUR ESTIMATES. WE'RE HOPING BY NEXT TUESDAY WE'LL HAVE SOME ESTIMATES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE IT OKAY. SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER. I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY WE COULD STILL PRIORITIZE THESE ONES TWOS AND THREES. AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALTHOUGH IF WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH INPUTS, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO START DOING SOME MATH. LOWEST WINS OR SOMETHING TO FIGURE OUT. YEAH. I MEAN, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO START WITH THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES LOOKING FOR AN FTE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE.AND YOU KNOW, IT'S $94,000, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT A FUNDING SOURCE, BUT IT'S A FULL TIME PERSON. SO IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE FUNDING SOURCE. AND I WOULD JUST MOVE DOWN THIS LIST AND NOT NECESSARILY ADD IT OR, YOU KNOW, NOT ADD IT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T. UNTIL WE HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY'S IS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY. YES. I'D RATHER HAVE THAT OVER A FIREFIGHTER. BUT YEAH, MORE OF THE CHALLENGE. I THINK. FREEMAN YOU'RE SORT OF ADDRESSING IS THAT HEARING ABOUT THEM AND THEN WAITING A FULL WEEK AND THEN PRIORITIZING THEM? I MEAN, I GUESS THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE WE CAN GO AND ASK DIRECTORS MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT UNLESS THEY'RE IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM OR THEY DON'T HAVE INFORMATION, I GUESS. BUT YEAH, I'M WILLING TO JUST LISTEN TO HIM TODAY AND SEE IF SEE IF, IF WE, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE TIME AND MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S AN EASIER DECISION THAN NOT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE LIST. AND THEN THE PERSON WHO GETS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST IS LIKE, WELL, SORRY, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS LIST AGAIN NEXT WEEK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO, WOW. YEAH. SO YEAH, YEAH. YOU CAN ALSO KEEP NOTES OF WHETHER THIS IS A ONE, 2 OR 3 FOR YOU. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN SHARE THOSE TOWARD THE END. OKAY. THAT MIGHT THAT MIGHT MAKE IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT PASSING JUDGMENT TOO SOON. ALL RIGHT. I'LL I'LL LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER. ALL RIGHT. PAM, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN YOUR FUNDING SOURCE REAL QUICK? ALL RIGHT, SO WE ALLUDED TO OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE. WE HAVE NOT ADDED A CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE IN OUR UTILITY BILLING AREA FOR ABOUT NINE YEARS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ADDITIONAL CUSTOMERS. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SERVICES WITH IDAHO FALLS FIBER. AND SO WE OUR CITY TREASURER, MARK HAGEDORN, HAD APPROACHED BOTH GENERAL MANAGER AND DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON TO SAY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HELP COST SHARE ON A NEW CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE POSITION? SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR. SO IT'S FULLY COVERED THROUGH OUR ENTERPRISE UTILITY FUNDS. AND WE HAVE AN ADDED POSITION TO THE GROUP IN ABOUT NINE YEARS WAS PAID FOR BY YES YES. AND BOTH DIRECTORS, BOTH DEPARTMENTS HAD APPROVED THAT AS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT. BUT OKAY. DOES IT EXIST IN IN YOUR BUDGETS RIGHT NOW.
YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S ALREADY THERE. IT MIGHT BE AN EASY THING TO ACCOMPLISH. ALL RIGHT. WADE FTE PLANNER. SO THE TWO DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THE TWO THAT I'VE GOT. SURE. OKAY. SO THE FTE PLANNER WE HAVEN'T HAD A NEW PLANNER HIRED IN OUR DEPARTMENT IN QUITE A FEW YEARS.
THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THE ASK FOR THIS ONE WAS WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO THE HAND-HOLDING THAT WAS REQUESTED THROUGH OUR PERMITTING INCREASE. THE PERMITTING PROCESS PRIORITY. THAT BEING SAID, I
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HAVE TALKED WITH MY LIAISONS ABOUT THIS, MAYBE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR YOU FOLKS IS THAT WE'RE SEEING DEVELOPMENT PLATEAU, AND SO THE NEED FOR IT IMMEDIATELY MAY NOT BE THERE.AND SO I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THIS GETTING BUMPED. IF IT GOT BUMPED I WOULD I WOULD LOOK AT PROBABLY REQUESTING THAT IN THE COMING YEARS AS WELL. BECAUSE AS WE SEE THE GROWTH INCREASE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE'LL NEED ANOTHER POSITION THERE. BUT MAYBE TO GIVE YOU WHAT IS THE WORD KIND OF A. FISH LICE OR SOMETHING ON THAT. SO YEAH. SO THAT'S THE REQUEST. THE MAIN ONE THOUGH, THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT REALLY MEETING IS LOOKING AT A PERMITTING PROCESS CONSULTANT.
AND WE'VE GONE OUT AND LOOKED AT THAT. IT SAYS 65. THAT'S THE HIGH END. IT'S A RANGE OF ABOUT 45 TO 65,000. THE WHOLE PREMISE THERE OF WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THAT ONE, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDS IN OUR BUDGET TO DO THAT. AND IT'S TO LOOK AT TO GETTING AN OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE ON OUR PERMITTING PROCESS. I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE DONE HAVE ACTUALLY HELPED WITH THINGS IN THAT PROCESS, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO HAVE SOME OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE. IT ALSO, ONE OF THE PRIORITIES WAS TO GET TO A METRICS OF WHAT IS SUCCESSFUL PERMIT REVIEW. I HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO INTERNALLY, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT. GIVE US MAYBE SOME METRICS THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED, OR MAYBE THAT WE'RE DOING WELL IN IT. AND THUS WE HAVE A METRICS OF WHAT THAT WE HAVE IMPROVED THE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE REALLY. THE CONSULTANT IS REALLY WHAT I'M MORE PUSHING FOR ON THAT END TO GET TO THAT PRIORITY OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE TIME MONEY, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE ONE TIME MONEY. THAT'S CORRECT.
OKAY OKAY. YEAH. GOOD POINT. SO THE FIRST ONE IS ONGOING. SECOND ONE IS ONE TIME. THE FIRST ONE COULD ALSO BE. A PARTIAL YEAR. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST WHEN WE WERE UNCERTAIN NOT KNOWING WHAT NEXT SEASON WILL LOOK LIKE. ALTHOUGH IF TARIFFS GO INTO PLAY CHANCES ARE GROWTH WILL NOT GO. IT'LL PROBABLY PLATEAU FOR ANOTHER YEAR. AND THEN THE CONSULTING.
WEIGHED. TO WHAT EXTENT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ADJUSTING FEES TO HELP BRING IN SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS? WE CAN TYPICALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ADJUSTMENT OF FEES, WE LOOK AT WHAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT OUR FEES TO WE'RE WE'RE COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT. NOW. THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. WE COULD INCREASE THEM, BUT THEN WE WOULD START BEING KIND OF ON THE UPPER ECHELON OF WHAT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ARE CHARGING. BUT YES, WE VERY WELL COULD LOOK AT THAT. IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. SO ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE PERMIT PROCESS WAS LOOKED AT BY FIRE AND PUBLIC WORKS. AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO IMPLEMENTATION ON THOSE BEFORE WE GO TO A CONSULTANT. I MEAN, OR IF WE'RE IF WE'RE 50% OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED IN-HOUSE AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO? I MEAN, I THINK THERE WAS A I KNOW WELL, I KNOW THERE WAS LIKE A WEBSITE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY AND GET ACCOMPLISHED UNDER THAT. YEAH. AND I, I'M LOOKING AT COMING BACK AND TALKING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE IS A SPREADSHEET IN ESSENCE. YES.
AND AS A PERCENTAGE, I WOULD BE SHOOTING FROM THE HIP A LITTLE BIT. BUT A LOT OF THEM WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED INTERNALLY. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M, I MEAN HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. SO I AM A LITTLE MORE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT GET ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE WE MOVE TO A CONSULTANT. BUT THAT'S FOR SURE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CDS? ALL RIGHT. CHIEF, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR ALL THESE THESE THREE TITLES? RIGHT. SO THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, THAT IS A I FORGET THE FIRST ACADEMY. SO THE ACADEMY APPROACHED US AND ASKED IF WE'D BE WILLING TO PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER. WE WORK THROUGH SOME MOU LANGUAGE WITH THEM, AND VERY SIMILAR TO THE MOU WE HAVE WITH DISTRICT 91, DISTRICT 91 PAYS
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ABOUT 70% OF PERSONNEL COSTS FOR THE FIVE RESOURCE OFFICERS WE HAVE WITH DISTRICT 91, THEY VARY SOME 50%, SOME ARE 100%, SOME ARE 70%, BUT THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 70%. SO THIS WOULD MIRROR THAT MOU AND IT WOULD BE FOR A MONTH FOR US. I DID MISSPEAK WHEN I SPOKE LAST WEEK. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE FORGIVE ME. I GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. I, I WAS OFF. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE VEHICLE OR THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE OFFICER. THAT'S A DIFFERENT AGREEMENT I HAVE WITH ANOTHER ENTITY THAT DOES THAT. SO THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE EQUIPMENT OR THE OR THE VEHICLES. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. THE IN THIS BUDGET YEAR ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT, I KNOW THEY HAVE 33,630. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU'RE DEFINING THAT. WE DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY. WE DON'T NEED YOU TO APPROPRIATE ANY MONEY IN THIS BUDGET FOR THIS POSITION. THE WAY THIS WORKS IS THEY THIS THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT, THIS FIGURED OFF OF A GRADE 11 STEP ONE POLICE OFFICER, I BELIEVE IS WHAT I SAW WAS IN THAT GRADE 11 STEP ONE, IT WILL BE A OFFICER THAT IS BEYOND STEP ONE THAT ACTUALLY FILLS THIS POSITION. SO THE SCHOOL WILL PAY THE 70% OF THAT OFFICER'S WHAT THEIR PERSONNEL COSTS ARE. SO IT WILL BE HIGHER THAN THE NUMBER THAT'S HERE. THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. WE DON'T PUT A BRAND NEW ROOKIE IN AS A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER. IT'S A VETERAN OFFICER. SO IN THE FIRST YEAR WE ACTUALLY WE BACKFILL WITH A BRAND NEW ROOKIE. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE WAGE OF THE VETERAN OFFICER. IT SAVES US MONEY IN THE FIRST YEAR BY MAKING SENSE TO YOU. SO IN THIS BUDGET YEAR, WE JUST NEED THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEE. WE DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY ON THIS. IT ACTUALLY SAVES A LITTLE BIT THAT WE BRING ON A ROOKIE OFFICER THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WHICH IS THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. YOU WOULD SEE THAT $30,000 BUILT INTO OUR BASE BUDGET. THAT'S WHERE WE SEE IS THAT FOLLOWING YEAR FOR THE FTE, FOR THE EQUIPMENT, WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT FOR THEM.WE, WE, WE DON'T GET DOWN TO OUR LAST GUN, OUR LAST UNIFORM. THAT WOULD BE A REALLY BAD WAY OF DOING IT. SO WE CAN OUTFIT THE OFFICER WITH THE INVENTORY WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THEN THE VEHICLE WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE ADD THE FLEETS THAT I THINK WILL COME UP LATER IN OUR DISCUSSION.
SO THAT'D BE PART OF THE ADVOCATES THAT COME OUT OF IMPACT FEES VEHICLE. SO THIS CONTRACT WOULDN'T START ON OCTOBER 1ST THOUGH IT WOULD START ON AUGUST 1ST OR SEPTEMBER 1ST. OCTOBER. IT WOULD START WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STARTS. YES. SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THIS BUDGET YEAR AS WELL AS THE BUDGET YEAR WE'RE PLANNING. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE IMPACT OR THE FINANCING ARRANGEMENT WOULD COVER THE SHORT TERM IN THE EXISTING BUDGET YEAR AS WELL AS NEXT ISH, AND THEN THE REAL FULL BLOWN IMPACT COMES DOWN IN 20.
627, CORRECT? YES. I BELIEVE THAT ACCURATELY SUMS IT UP. IT WOULD BE ABOUT ABOUT $30,000 IN FUTURE BUDGETS. THERE IS A IN MY OPINION, THERE IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY FOR OUR 30% OF IT, BECAUSE THOSE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS GET REDEPLOYED TO PATROL DURING THOSE SUMMER MONTHS, AND THEY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY IN OVERTIME, BECAUSE IF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER WERE NOT COMING BACK PATROL, WE'D BE OUTFITTING THOSE THOSE FOLKS ON OVERTIME. I CAN'T CAPTURE THAT EXACT NUMBER FOR YOU, BUT WE WILL SPEND THAT MONEY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FILL THE POSITION AND PATROL AND SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS COME BACK, PATROL THAT, GO FOR THAT.
AND JUST AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, THE SCHOOL RESOURCE PROGRAM IS A IS ONE OF THE BEST PROGRAMS THAT WE OPERATE WITH THE SCHOOLS. THEY ARE SOME OF THE BUSIEST POLICE OFFICERS. THE AMOUNT IN THE AMOUNT OF. THE THINGS KIDS DO TO EACH OTHER WILL SHOCK SOME FOLKS. AND THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER ARE VERY INVOLVED IN THE KIDS LIVES, HELPING THEM MAKE BETTER CHOICES. DO YOU HAVE A TEMPORARY VEHICLE? I'M NOT SURE WE'LL END UP WITH THE IMPACT OF ANYTHING. YES, WE COULD GET STARTED THIS YEAR. WE CAN HAVE THAT. WE CAN HAVE THAT OUT OF THERE. EVENTUALLY. THEY WILL PROBABLY WANT A ALL OF OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS HAVE A CAR THAT MATCHES THEIR SCHOOL.
THEY'RE OUTFITTED WITH THE COLORS AND THE LOGO OF THE SCHOOL. THEY WILL PROBABLY EVENTUALLY WANT THAT. THEY'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT UNTIL UNTIL THAT ACTUALLY COMES. BUT WE CAN PROVIDE A VEHICLE FOR. ALL RIGHT. NEXT NEXT SLIDE. THE NEXT ONE IS THE SHOOTING RANGE.
SO I'M GOING TO GO INTO A BRIEF DETAIL ON THIS. I'LL GO QUICKLY. SHOOTING RANGES ARE ARE IMPORTANT. THERE WAS A STUDY THAT CAME OUT OF NYPD. IT'S BEEN A WHILE BACK. BUT THE NYPD WAS HITTING 7% ON THEIR OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. SO 93% OF THE ROUNDS THEY WERE
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SENDING DOWNRANGE IN AN ACTUAL OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING WERE MISSING THE TARGET THEY WERE TRYING TO HIT. THEY'RE HITTING 7% OF THE TIME THAT MIGHT THAT MIGHT CAUSE PEOPLE TO REALLY WANT TO CRITIQUE THEM. BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS ARE NOT STATIC. STATIC. IT'S NOT SOMEONE STANDING THERE. TARGET SHOOTING, THE OFFICERS MOVING, WHATEVER THEY'RE INTERACTING WITH IS MOVING. IT'S INCREDIBLY DYNAMIC. AND THERE IS A HUGE ADRENALINE DUMP THAT HAPPENS RIGHT THERE IN THAT MOMENT. OUR STATISTICS IN IDAHO FALLS ARE MUCH BETTER THAN THAT, BUT IT'S STILL A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT SKILL. IT'S A DIFFICULT SKILL. I MADE THE ANALOGY TO A BASKETBALL BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND BASKETBALL. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE A BASKETBALL PLAYER AND YOU SHOOT FREE THROWS, YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO SHOOT FREE THROWS EVERY SINGLE DAY. WHEN I USED TO PLAY BASKETBALL, I WAS SHOOTING THEM EVERY DAY. SO WHEN I GOT TO THE GAME AND THE GAME WAS ON THE LINE AND EVERYONE WAS YELLING AND IT WAS VERY, VERY CHAOTIC, I CAN PUT ALL THAT OUT AND JUST SHOOT FREE THROWS, RIGHT? SO I'M I'M SHOOTING FREE THROWS EVERY DAY. THE WAY YOU WOULD WANT TO DO IT IS SHOOT 500 FREE THROWS ON JANUARY 3RD AND THEN NOT SHOOT A FREE THROW FOR THREE MONTHS. AND THEN ON APRIL 15TH, GO INTO THAT SAME TIME AND TRY TO HIT A FREE THROW. YOUR MUSCLE MEMORY IS GOING TO HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S VERY THAT'S SIMILAR TO HOW SHOOTING GOES. IT IS A MUSCLE MEMORY LEARNED LEARNED ACTIVITY. THE WAY WE HAVE TO TRAIN IS BY DOING A WHOLE BUNCH OF ROUNDS A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR, WHICH IS THE LEAST EFFICIENT, LEAST EFFECTIVE WAY OF DOING IT. WE HAVE ON MULTIPLE OUR RECENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS AT THE. NOT HIT, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO HIT. WE PUT SOME ROUNDS INTO A INTO A GARBAGE DUMPSTER. IT WASN'T OUR AGENCY WAS SHOOTING, BUT WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF ROUNDS HIT A HOTEL AND MAYBE A TEMPORARY DIRECTOR'S CAR. IT'S NOT REALLY THAT FUNNY. I KNOW IT SOUNDS THAT WE DID HAVE SOME ROUNDS. WE DID HAVE SOME. ANYWAY, THIS IS A REAL WORLD PROBLEM. AND SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE A SHOOTING RANGE. THE SHOOTING RANGE WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE PLAN FOR THE POLICE COMPLEX. WE VALUE ENGINEERED IT OUT THROUGH CHRIS CANFIELD AND THE INCREDIBLE HELP FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND ALSO PANEL FINANCE. WE WERE ABLE TO PUT SOME STUFF BACK INTO THAT COMPLEX VALUE, ENGINEERED OUT. THE SHOOTING RANGE IS A MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE WAY OF DOING IT. A FULL BRICK AND MORTAR ONE IS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. KÖNIGSBRÜCK SHOOTING RANGES ARE DESIGNED TO BE MOBILE, BUT THEY ARE SEMI-PERMANENT. WE COULD MOVE IT EVENTUALLY IF WE WANTED TO, BUT I'VE LOOKED AT SEVERAL OF THEM. THEY THEY, THEY WILL LAST US FOR DECADES AND BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME. THAT SHOOTING RANGE WAS IN OUR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. THERE WERE $750,000 IN THAT CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. WE DID START TO WORK ON THAT. THE AREA FOR THE SHOOTING RANGE GOT THE POLICE COMPLEX. IT'S THE PART THAT'S FENCED OFF THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE. WE WORKED WITH WADE. SORRY, DIRECTOR. WHAT'S YOUR SANDER? SANDER I KNEW THAT, BUT WE WORK WITH HIM. WE WENT TO THE. WAS THE MEETING. WE WENT TO THE BOARD OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO WE WENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND MADE A PRESENTATION THERE. AND THEY GAVE US A VARIANCE. I BELIEVE IT WAS THE RIGHT WORD TO PUT PUT THE RANGE THERE. SO WE GOT THAT DONE. WE HAVE MULTIPLE BIDS FROM G, A CONTRACT THAT MULTIPLE COMPANIES DO THIS FOR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE GSA CONTRACTING PROCESS.WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE BIDS FROM THE GSA CONTRACTOR. WE JUST CAN'T COMPLETE IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR PARTICIPATION IS NOT CLOSED OUT YET. SO UNTIL IT'S CLOSED OUT, WE CAN'T ACTUALLY DO IT. I BELIEVE WE ANTICIPATE THAT BEING CLOSED OUT. AND THEN THAT'S MONTH A COUPLE MONTHS, COUPLE MONTHS, AND THEN WE'D BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. CHIEF, CAN YOU JUST FILL IN ONE MORE PIECE, WHICH I THINK WILL POP INTO HAS POPPED INTO COUNCIL MEMBERS, HAS WHAT IS OUR CURRENT ARRANGEMENT WITH FENCING HERE? A PLACE WHERE THERE'S A SHOOTING RANGE HERE IN TOWN. THERE REALLY ISN'T A CURRENT RANGE WITH GUNS IN HERE. THEY'RE A GREAT PLACE, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK FOR POLICE TRAINING. IF WE HAVE A SPECIFIC NEED THAT IS VERY KNOWN IN THE KNOWN AND WE CAN SCHEDULE IT, WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND SCHEDULE SOME TIMES TO USE THAT. I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT A HANDFUL OF TIMES, HAVEN'T DONE THAT THIS YEAR. WE DID IT ONCE OR TWICE BEFORE. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE ON THE RANGE AND HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER THE RANGE. THE WAY WE SHOOT IS NOT THE SAME AS HOW AN NRA OR A CIVILIAN TARGET RANGE OPERATES. WE OPERATE HOT RANGES. OUR GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.
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WE'LL SOMETIMES SHOOT PAST EACH OTHER. WE OPERATE VERY DYNAMICALLY, NOT ON A STATIC LINE. AGAIN, WE'RE TRAINING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT SO IT'S A PHENOMENAL FACILITY. THEY DO GREAT WORK. IT DOES NOT MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS. I CAN'T SEND PEOPLE OVER THERE 24 HOURS A DAY FOR BRIEF PERIODS OF TIME TO SHOOT A COUPLE ROUNDS EVERY DAY.THAT'S NOT A DOABLE THING. OKAY. AND THEN SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS MIGHT SAY, WELL, WHY NOT PARTNER WITH THE INL? IS THAT SIMPLY A MATTER OF DISTANCE? SO INL DOES HAVE AN INDOOR RANGE. IT'S FURTHER AWAY THAN OUR CURRENT OUTDOOR RANGE. SO IT TAKES LONGER TO GET OUT THERE. AND YOU CAN'T JUST SEND SOMEONE OUT THERE. YOU HAVE TO SCHEDULE AN ENTIRE DAY. IN ADDITION IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THEM PERMITTED TO GET OUT THERE. IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO GET THEY'RE GREAT PARTNERS. THEY WANT TO DO IT. JUST THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS A LOT. AND THEN THEIRS IS A LEAD FREE RANGE. SO WE CAN'T SHOOT ANY OF OUR AMMUNITION OUT THERE. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO LEAD FREE AMMUNITION, WHICH COSTS MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF OBSTACLES TO BE ABLE TO USE IN THOSE RANGE COUNCIL GRANTS. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THIS IS 950,000 IS COMPLETELY COVERED BY THE MONEY IN THAT BUILDING. THE COMPLEX FUND. NOTHING. GENERAL FUND. YES. IT WOULD BE COMING FROM THOSE IF THAT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS, THAT WOULD COME FROM THE BOND PROCEEDS SWAP ESSENTIALLY. AND I ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY APPRECIATE LOVE ABOUT PAM AND HER BOOKS AND FINANCE TEAM IS THEY'RE CONSERVATIVE WITH IT. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I'M NOT QUITE AS CONSERVATIVE. I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A NEGATIVE WAY. I THINK THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL MONEY OUT OF THAT CLP ABOVE WHAT WE SPEND ON THIS. THEY COULD THEN USE TO DO WHATEVER COUNSEL. I MEAN, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH ANY OF THE MONEY, BUT THERE WOULD BE A THIS WON'T USE UP ALL THAT MONEY, BUT AT LEAST SOME LEFTOVER AFTER AFTER THAT I BELIEVE. BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME EXCESS. BUT WE BECAUSE IT'S BOND PROCEEDS WE HAVE TO PAY ARBITRAGE BACK. SO WE'VE EARNED INTEREST ON THIS MONEY. WE HAVE A CONSULTANT. SO IT'S A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PAY BACK TO THE IRS, BECAUSE WE'VE EARNED MORE INTEREST THAN WE ARE PAYING ESSENTIALLY. SO UNTIL THAT'S CLOSED OUT, WE DON'T WANT TO SAY HERE IS THE AMOUNT WE WANT TO OBLIGATE, BUT WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST $1 MILLION. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON YOUR LIST WAS THE THEN THE TRAFFIC SPEED TRAILER.
SO THE SPEED TRAILER. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE. WE ROTATE THEM EVERY YEAR. I THINK WE PICKED UP A COUPLE LAST YEAR ON GRANTS. WE JUST HAD ALL OUR GRANTS DRIED UP. THESE TRAFFIC TRAILERS WE'LL PUT OUT ON STREETS NEIGHBORHOODS AND PEOPLE CALL AND COMPLAIN AND SAY, PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT CAN GO OUT THERE AND IT'LL TRACK SPEEDERS, SHOW THEM THAT, AND DOES A DATA ANALYSIS FOR IT. IT ALSO DOES TRAFFIC CALMING. SOME OF OUR OLDER TRAILERS ARE THE MESSAGE BOARDS, WHICH ARE VERY USEFUL THINGS FOR THINGS LIKE SNOW REMOVAL AND EVENTS, BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY DO THE TRAFFIC SURVEYS AND TRAFFIC CALMING. SO THIS WOULD THIS WOULD REPLACE THOSE MESSAGE BOARDS. WE'D MAKE THOSE MESSAGE BOARDS AVAILABLE FOR OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT WE THINK ARE MORE USEFUL FOR. AND DO WE CALL THAT ONE TIME MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? CORRECT. OKAY. SO FTE ONGOING SHOOTING RANGE AND TRAILER ONE TIME DWAYNE. YEAH, SO QUITE THE LIST. BUT SOME OF THESE ARE ACTUALLY COULD BE IMPACT FEES THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT. THE BATTALION CHIEF STATIONED FOR REMODEL IS A REMODEL OF A CURRENT ROOM AND OFFICE INTO MORE OF A DORMITORY ROOM FOR A SECOND BATTALION CHIEF. THE BATTALION CHIEF IS OUR FIRST LINE MANAGER. HE'S SUPERVISING THE WHOLE SHIFT ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS. WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING BIG ENOUGH AT 40, YOU KNOW, 45, 41, 42 PERSONNEL ON EVERY DAY WITH SEVEN STATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED A SECOND SUPERVISOR IN THAT POSITION. AND SO BEING ABLE TO PUT THEM ON OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, ONE IN STATION ONE, WE WOULD PUT A SECOND BATTALION CHIEF ON AT STATION FOUR SEPARATE SIDES OF TOWN TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THOSE INCIDENTS WHEN THEY OCCUR. THIS IS THE COST OF THE REMODEL ESTIMATE THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE. SO GENERAL FUND GEORGIAN HOUSE, RIGHT? YOU DO THE WORK IN HOUSE. BASICALLY WE WOULD DO MOST OF IT IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT NEW STATION SIX, THERE'S THREE ITEMS THERE. NEW STATION SIX US DIGITAL PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION. THE BASE RADIOS FOR THE NEW STATION SIX, STATION SIX AGAIN IS ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THE DOOR SECURITY HARDWARE FOR NEW FOR THE STATION. SIX. ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE, AND WE COULD USE
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IMPACT FEES FOR THOSE PURCHASES. I THINK WE DIDN'T GET THAT ON THE LIST, BUT I THINK IT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AS WE BUILD OUT THAT NEW STATION, STATION ONE AND STATION FOR US, DIGITAL UPGRADES TO THE DORM ROOMS. WHAT THIS DOES IS ISOLATES EACH INDIVIDUAL DORM ROOM AS AS MY PERSONAL WORK, 48 HOUR SHIFTS AT NIGHT WHEN THE TONES GO OFF. THE WHOLE STATION BASICALLY IS BROUGHT UP WHAT THIS WOULD DO. THIS WOULD ALLOW EACH DORM TO BE ISOLATED SO THAT IF YOU WERE ON AMBULANCE ONE AND AMBULANCE ONE WAS DISPATCHED, ONLY THE ROOMS THAT THOSE PERSONNEL ARE STAYING IN WOULD BE AWOKEN FOR THAT CALL. STATION ONE. STATION FOUR ARE CURRENTLY BUILT OUT SO THAT THEY COULD BE ISOLATED. WE WANT TO TRY THOSE TWO STATIONS FIRST TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT GOES TO. SLEEP STUDIES, HEALTH AND WELLNESS, MENTAL HEALTH. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN THE ALARM GOES OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, YOU'RE SOUND ASLEEP. IT IS. YOU GO FROM 0 TO 100 AND LIKE THAT AND IT'S REALLY STRESSFUL. SO IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING WOKEN UP ON A CALL THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ON BECAUSE YOU. YEAH, IT WOULD SAVE YOU A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR, THERMAL IMAGING CAMERAS, THERMAL IMAGING CAMERAS. THIS IS FOR 12 CAMERAS.THERE ARE ABOUT 4000 APIECE. WE COULD HAVE PUT THIS ACTUALLY INSIDE OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET, BUT AS WE MADE CUTS, IT CAME BACK OUT. WE'RE AT END OF LIFE WITH OUR CURRENT THERMAL IMAGING CAMERAS. THESE ARE WHAT WE GO IN TO SEARCH FOR INDIVIDUALS IN IN OUR SCENES THROUGH SMOKE DARK. I CAN SPEAK TO THIS ONE TOO. THIS IS AN INDISPENSABLE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. IT REALLY IS. IT REALLY IS. IT SAVES LIVES. IT IS IT. IN THE FUTURE, IT WILL BE MURPHY. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY MURPHY, BUT. THE COST FOR THOSE 12 CAMERAS TO REPLACE ARE 48,000 WITH NEW PERSONNEL WE NEED TO PURCHASE. WE DID GET THE GRANT FOR 1.2 MILLION DURING THE CARES GRANTS TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR HANDHELD RADIOS FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF, WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL RADIOS TO STAFF THOSE, ESPECIALLY AS WE TAKE TAKE ON OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT. AND SO THAT'S AN EXTRA 38,000. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DOOR SECURITY AND THEN THE STORAGE FACILITY IS THE LAST LARGE ITEM THAT AS WE BUILD OUT STATION SIX, WE WILL HAVE THE SITE PLAN. AND THE PROPERTY. ACTUALLY IT WILL BE GRAVELED CONTRACTOR. WE BELIEVE IT WILL BE CHEAPER AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH CONTRACTORS ALREADY IN PLACE. BUT IT IS ABOUT A $2 MILLION THAT WE CAN USE. IMPACT FEES, WILDLAND DOLLARS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET THERE THIS YEAR AND SO THIS MAY HAVE TO BE PUSHED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING THROUGH WILDLAND TO HELP BASICALLY OFFSET THAT. THAT COST. THAT'S NOT AN IMPACT FIELD. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPACT FEE, PROBABLY NEW IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE. AND IT IS A NEW NEW FACILITY. WE DON'T HAVE CURRENT STORAGE. AND SO IT IS ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO STORE ADDITIONAL NEW EQUIPMENT. AS THOSE NEW WE DO NEED TO BE THINKING AS WE AS WE GET CLOSER TO 2026 AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE HAVING BUILT RIGHT NOW, WE ARE GOING TO NEED SPACE. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING ON THAT STORAGE ASPECT RELATIVELY QUICKLY. AS THOSE THREE APPARATUS ARE BUILT IN, WE TAKE OWNERSHIP. SO REFRESH MY MEMORY FOR SOME REASON, IT'S NOT MY I CAN'T RECALL. CAN YOU FORWARD YOURSELF THE MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S IMPACT? BE ELIGIBLE AND THEN PAY YOURSELF BACK ONCE THOSE FEES COME IN. I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MOTOROLA RADIOS, WHICH I KNOW WE'VE GONE TO FOR A LONG TIME. THE NEW SYSTEM THAT THE STATE, THE 15 MILLION THAT THEY JUST ANNOUNCED, LIKE MAYBE IT WAS THIS MORNING OR YESTERDAY THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE NEW THE STATE. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THAT'S ADVANCED 911 THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING. DISPATCH. DISPATCH IS
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GOING TO TALK BUT BUT IT'S ALL IN I MEAN IT'S ALL INTEGRATED. IT'S ALL INTEGRATED. AND THAT'S TO COMMUNICATE, TO DISPATCH AND COMMUNICATE AMONGST ONE ANOTHER. OKAY. I WAS JUST HOPING THAT THEIR NEW SYSTEM WASN'T GOING TO COST US ALL NEW RADIOS, RIGHT? NO, IT'S ALL IT'S ALL ABOUT. WE WERE ALL ABOUT FREQUENCY BY ALL RADIOS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE FREQUENCIES. OKAY, OKAY.THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING, CHIEF, IN THAT NEW THE NEW ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ADDRESSES OUR TOWERS? I MEAN, THE WAY THEY PHRASED IT IN THE STORY THAT I HEARD, THE STATE IS TAKING OVER ALL EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. AND I THOUGHT, NO, THEY'RE NOT. NO. OKAY, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RADIO TOWERS, RADIO COMMUNICATIONS, THE STATEWIDE SYSTEM. IT'S SIMPLY THE 911 CENTERS AND HOW PEOPLE COMMUNICATE WITH 911. AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, FCC EVERY FEW YEARS, FCC WILL CHANGE FREQUENCIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT USUALLY WE'RE PROBABLY AT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 7 AND 10 YEARS BEFORE THEY KIND OF SPIN THAT AROUND A LITTLE BIT WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK WE'RE SITTING PRETTY GOOD. WE'RE BUYING THE RADIOS.
THERE'S NO TALK ABOUT CHANGING OUT THAT THEY SHOULD WORK FOR MANY YEARS TO COME, DECADE TO COME. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE RADIOS ARE ACTUALLY IN WHEN WE'RE PLANNING TO REPLACE THEM 12 YEARS OLD. THANK YOU. THERE WAS A BIG UPGRADE IN RADIOS AFTER NINE OVER 11 BECAUSE THEY NOBODY EVER ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING IN COULDN'T TALK TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND SO THEY REALLY CHANGED THE FREQUENCY USES AND STUFF. AND SO EVERYBODY CAN COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CALL YOU. SO YOU CAN CALL HIM. SO HE CAN CALL THIS OTHER GUY, AND HE JUST SLOWED EVERYTHING DOWN. BUT IT WAS IT BECAME APPARENT THAT DAY OUR THANK YOU.
ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DWAYNE BEFORE WE MOVE ON, JUST TO CLARIFY THE REQUEST. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO TO BJ'S. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH CEMETERY SOFTWARE.
THIS IS OUR SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT THAT WE USE TO MANAGE AND CONTROL ALL OF OUR BURIAL SPOTS, OUR NICHE WALL SPOTS. CEMETERY. WE'VE WE HAVE A SYSTEM RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT REALLY OLD, BUT IT IS NOT WORKING REAL WELL. I THINK WITH OUR WITH OUR SPECIFIC FACILITIES. THIS WAS A REQUEST THAT ORIGINALLY HAD COME IN AS A SPLIT BETWEEN THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE CEMETERIES, BECAUSE IT IS A IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BENEFIT CLERK'S OFFICE SIGNIFICANTLY. BUT IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT IT PROBABLY BEING A CEMETERY SOFTWARE, IT'D BE BETTER TO COME OUT FULLY OUT OF THAT, OUT OF THAT BUDGET OR REQUEST FULLY FOR THE CEMETERY. SO THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE GOOD TRACKING AND USABILITY FOR OUR CEMETERY, FOR PLACEMENT AND FOR RECORDS, OBVIOUSLY, AROUND MEMORIAL DAY AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEIR LOVED ONES ARE. AND IT'S A VERY THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE RIGHT NOW IS NOT VERY USER FRIENDLY, AND IT REALLY REQUIRES PERSONNEL TO BE OUT THERE AT ALL TIME TO HELP LOCATE WHERE THOSE FOLKS ARE. THIS SYSTEM WOULD HELP REALLY MAP IT OUT TO A TO A POINT THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK IT UP ONLINE AND FIND EXACTLY WHAT SECTION WHERE THEIR FOLKS ARE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE, AND THAT THAT WOULD REALLY BE A GREAT THING FOR US, AS WELL AS JUST TRACKING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OVER 100, 100 YEARS OF BURIALS IN ROSEHILL, AND IT IS A IT'S SURPRISING HOW MUCH, HOW OFTEN WE FIND MISTAKES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE YEARS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S IN A SPOT THEY SHOULDN'T BE OR WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A KIND OF A PLOT OF EIGHT SPOTS. AND OVER THE YEARS THEY'VE KIND OF CHANGED HOW THOSE SPOTS WERE LAID OUT IN THE COUNT OF THE, OF THE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE. AND SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING I THINK THAT, THAT WE NEED TO GET KIND OF ON TOP OF AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD SOFTWARE FOR THAT. DJ CAN I ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT? A FEW YEARS AGO, THE LEGISLATURE ACTUALLY REQUIRED THERE TO BE SOME UPDATES AND SOME UPGRADES MADE. SO THERE WAS SOME MANDATES A FEW YEARS AGO THAT BROUGHT US TO THAT POINT OF FINDING A SYSTEM, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE GROWTH AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD IT'S TIME, RIGHT? BUT I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT WE DID HAVE A PURCHASE A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WAS PART OF A MANDATE FROM THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT OUR CEMETERIES. THANK YOU. IS THAT ONE TIME MONEY? BUT THERE WOULD BE AN ONGOING COST YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR SOFTWARE. IT IS ONE TIME MONEY THERE. I WOULD IMAGINE THERE IS GOING TO BE AN
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ANNUAL COST. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. THE NATURE OF NEW SOFTWARE. YOU DON'T BUY IT OFF THE SHELF AND THEN, OH, I'M TRYING TO CALCULATE IT FROM THE CLOUD AND THE EXISTING ONE WOULD GO AWAY. SO THERE'S ESSENTIALLY KIND OF A WASH THERE. YEAH. THERE'S A WASH. THE EXISTING CEMETERY SOFTWARE SOFTWARE WOULD GO AWAY. SO ACCOUNT TO 65,000 IS ONGOING AS ONE TIME. YES. NUMBER TWO THE FTE FOR THE ZOO. THIS WOULD BE A ZOO KEEPER AS I THINK PROBABLY EVERYONE'S HEARD FROM BEING AT LEAST A CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR TWO, OR JUST THROUGH THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. WE DID HAVE AN INCIDENT WHERE WE HAD A VOLUNTEER THAT ENDED UP IN THE LION ENCLOSURE LAST YEAR, AND IT WAS A PRETTY SCARY SITUATION. WE HAD SOME WE HAD SOME FOLKS THAT WE BROUGHT IN, A CONSULTANT COMPANY THAT CAME IN AND ACTUALLY DID KIND OF A THIRD PARTY REVIEW OF OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AT THE ZOO. REALLY, MOST THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE AND THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE HAVE BEEN ADEQUATE FOR THAT ONE. ONE THING THAT THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED IS SOMETHING CALLED A TWO KEY, TWO LOCK SYSTEM, WHICH PHYSICALLY REQUIRES A SECOND PERSON TO COME AND USE A KEY TO GET INTO THE FACILITY. AND THAT MAKES IT VERY TOUGH FOR THE CURRENT STAFFING SITUATION THAT WE HAVE, THAT ESSENTIALLY, AT ANY POINT, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN AN EXHIBIT, CLOSE DOWN SOMETHING THEY'RE WORKING ON, AND HEAD OVER THERE TO ANY OF OUR OUR ANIMAL EXHIBIT OR ANY OF OUR EXHIBITS. EXCUSE ME. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE A TWICE A DAY TYPE OF THING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE SIX EXHIBITS THAT ARE PROBABLY 15 TIMES A DAY THAT THAT WE'RE IN AND OUT OF THOSE. AND SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THAT COMES TO BRING ON AN ADDITIONAL ZOOKEEPER, THIS PERSON COULD ALSO HELP US BRING ADVENTURE ISLAND OUR OUR UPCOMING EXHIBIT ONLINE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COVERAGE FOR THAT, AS WELL AS GIVING US ENOUGH COVERAGE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN BE ON AS THAT. SECOND, KEY OUTCOMES. SO THAT IS A SAFETY RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR FROM OUR CONSULTANTS, ONE THAT DID NOT MAKE IT ONTO THE SHEET, BUT IT DID GET PUT ON TO THE TO THE DIGITAL COPY. ON THE SCREEN WAS AN EMAIL THAT CAME THROUGH TODAY FROM OUR ZOO. THEY HAD ASKED IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME MONEY IN OUR ACCOUNT THIS YEAR TO REPLACE A TRUCK, BUT THE TRUCK IS ACTUALLY STILL IN PRETTY DECENT SHAPE. THEY DO HAVE A MULE THAT THEY WERE THAT THEY SAID, COULD WE BUY THAT INSTEAD? BUT THE MULE IS A MULE IS LIKE A MINI TRUCK. IT'S A UTV. NO NO NO. YEAH. NOT A NOT AN NO. SO THIS WOULD BE A ESSENTIALLY A UTV, A WORKHORSE ESSENTIALLY. RIGHT. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND SO BUT IT'S ABOUT $12,000. THEY ASKED IF THEY COULD BUY THAT INSTEAD.BUT BECAUSE IT'S ON WORK RELEASE WE CAN'T. SO IT WOULD BE AN ADD TO FLEET. SO WE BROOKS THOUGHT MAYBE WE COULD ADD IT TO THIS AS A AS AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST TODAY. NEXT WE'VE GOT OUR REPLACEMENT OF OUR LIFT STATION AT THE ZOO. IS THAT ONE. OH YEAH. OKAY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR OUR LIFT STATION AT THE ZOO HAS GONE IS ABOUT TO KICK THE BUCKET. WE'VE WORKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHERS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN REPLACE THE PUMP AND GET IT UP AND RUNNING, OR IF IT IF IT HAS A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE AND IT IS JUST AN OLD STYLE THAT IT WAS DONE, WE THINK PROBABLY IN THE ZOO WITHOUT HAVING PROPERLY PROPER PERMITTING AND SOME OF THE RIGHT STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT ON TO PUBLIC WORKS. TYPICAL LIFT STATIONS AND WHAT THEY MAY MAINTAIN. AND SO WE CAN'T WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND SOMEBODY TO WORK ON IT. WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND ANY REPLACEMENTS FOR IT. AND SO WE WANTED TO INCLUDE SOME FUNDING TO GO AHEAD AND BE READY TO REPLACE THAT, THAT LIFT STATION AT THE POINT THAT IT HAS A CATASTROPHIC WHY IS THIS NOT A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT IN THAT BUDGET? NONE OF THE NONE OF THE SERVICES WITHIN THE ZOO ARE PUBLICLY MAINTAINED OR PRIVATE. SO THE ENTITY. SO I THINK ALL OF YOUR WATER SERVICE LINES, ALL OF YOUR SEWER MAINS, THOSE ARE ALL ZOO PROPERTY, IF YOU WILL. IS IT ANYBODY ELSE'S ODD? I MEAN, IT'S A CITY FACILITY, RIGHT? IT'S IN THE HOCKEY SHELTER. YOU HAVE SERVICE THAT'S THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS. SO ALL OF THOSE SERVICE LINES THAT FEED THOSE. SO EVEN IF IT'S YOUR SECONDARY SERVICE FOR POWER, THE BUILDING ENTITY OWNS THOSE. UNFORTUNATELY KIND OF AS PJ ELABORATED, THE ZOO KIND OF BUILT ITSELF WITHOUT ANY EXTERNAL APPROVALS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD REALLY REFER TO THIS AS A LIFT STATION. IT'S A PUMP THAT WAS INSTALLED IN A PIPE THAT NO ONE COULD GET IN TO EVEN WORK ON, RIGHT? OUR SEWER STAFFING THERE HAVE BEEN CALLED
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TO LOOK AT IT, DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE ALL OF THE WATER LINES IN THE ZOO THAT WERE INSTALLED AT TWO FOOT IN DEPTH THAT FREEZE. THEY RUN YEAR ROUND. I MEAN, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOLVED IN A LOT OF PLACES, RIGHT? SO INTERNAL. SO NONE OF THOSE INTERNAL SERVICE LINES ARE SEWER OR SECONDARY POWER, ARE OWNED BY THE ENTERPRISE GROUPS. IF I COULD ADD THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED BY OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AS PART OF OUR BUILDING STEWARDSHIP PLAN, AS AN IMMEDIATE NEED, BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING CALLED OUT AND THEY'RE THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO BE WORKING WITH IT EITHER. BUT THEY HAVE CALLED THAT OUT AS AN IMMEDIATE NEED PROJECT FOR THE BUILDING STEWARDSHIP PROGRAM. AND I WANT TO SAY, LIKE, I MEAN, THROUGH OUR WORKING WITH CHRIS, HE'S BEEN GREAT TO TRY TO CONNECT US WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE. BUT REALLY WHAT WE'VE STRUGGLED IS TO FIND ANYBODY THAT WILL WORK ON IT. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, KIND OF WHAT WE'VE SAID IS I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO GO. IF WE HAVE A LIFT STATION THAT WE CAN'T, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE. I CAN'T WE CAN'T GET ANYBODY TO CALL US BACK.NOBODY THAT WILL CALL US BACK. ONCE THEY LOOK AT IT, WE'LL WE'LL GET IN THERE OR WORK ON IT WITH US. SO WE'RE KIND OF AT A, WE'RE KIND OF AT AN ODD PLACE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST NEXT STEP. AND FOR US, IT'S HOW DO WE GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO A CITY STANDARD THAT MAYBE WE CAN WORK WITH CHRIS TO GET IT SOMEWHERE, THAT IT CAN BE ACCESSED 24 OVER SEVEN, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ISSUES. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ZOO, SO THEY CAN'T GET INTO IT AT ANY POINT TO GET IT, AND THEN IT JUST DOESN'T FIT WITH SOME OF THEIR MAINTENANCE. YEAH, WE CAN'T SERVICE IT WITH ANY OF OUR TRUCKS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS. THAT'S WHY CONTRACTORS, AS THEY LOOK AT IT, IT'S A CONFINED SPACE THAT NOBODY WANTS TO GET IN TO DEAL WITH THE PUMPING. IT'S THERE'S A REASON WE HAVE REVIEW PROCESSES. UNFORTUNATELY. WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST LEFT THAT PIECES BACK TOGETHER. JUST SO I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY TO OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE SUPERINTENDENT IS EVEN LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF DECOMMISSIONING THE OLD ONE AND RECOMMISSIONING A NEW ONE IN TANDEM, POTENTIALLY WITH PUBLIC WORKS. THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION AS WELL, BECAUSE IT IS A CONFINED SPACE, AND THERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE IN THIS AREA THAT ACTUALLY DO WORK IN CONFINED SPACES. AS CHRIS MENTIONED EARLIER. SO THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION WE'RE LOOKING AT TO WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION. THE BEST OPTION IS TO FIX IT. AND BUT WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF IT BEING A CONFINED SPACE. OR DO WE BUILD A NEW ONE AND THEN DECOMMISSION THE OLD ONE. SO THAT'S YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH ENGINEERING AND STUFF LIKE THAT NEXT YEAR. WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT. I DO WANT TO BACK UP JUST FOR A SECOND, THOUGH, AND ADDRESS WHAT I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE GOING TOWARDS. AND THAT IS WAIT A MINUTE. THE CITY FACILITY, CITY PROBLEM, CITY SOLUTION. WHY IS IT A BUDGET ISSUE JUST FOR PARKS AND REC? I'LL SAY THAT OVER THE LAST OVER THE COURSE OF MY ADMINISTRATION, I'VE MADE SOME ENEMIES IN THAT, OR AT LEAST TEMPORARY ONES, I HOPE TEMPORARY, BECAUSE WE HAVE SHIFTED TO MAKING SURE THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT PAYS ITS WATER EVERY OR IS FORGETTING EVERY DEPARTMENT PAYS FOR ITS ELECTRICITY, EVERY DEPARTMENT PAYS FOR ITS OWN EXISTENCE SO THAT THE RATES AND FEES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE CHARGE ARE PROPERLY ALLOCATED BETWEEN RATEPAYERS AND TAXPAYERS. IF WE WERE TO JUST ALL DEPARTMENTS DO FAVORS FOR ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS, IT WOULD MESS THAT UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE'RE SAYING, OH, YOU'VE GOT A BUCKET TRUCK, JOSH, OVER THERE AT POWER, CAN YOU USE YOUR BUCKET TRUCK AND THE PERSONNEL WHO OPERATE IT TO HANG OUR CHRISTMAS LIGHTS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE RIVER DECORATED? WELL, THEN SUDDENLY THE CITY'S DECORATIONS ARE BEING SUBSIDIZED BY THE CITY'S RATEPAYERS AND NOT THE TAXPAYERS. AND MAYBE DECORATING MAYBE PARTS OF THEIR STUFF IS MORE OF A GENERAL FUND DECISION. NOT A NOT A POWER DECISION. AND OTHER SIMILAR KINDS OF THINGS. AND SO THAT'S WHY CHRIS ISN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE ZOO. BUT NO ONE WOULD INDICATE THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT'S JUST NOT OUR ASSET. YEAH, BUT YEAH, THE COORDINATION ON STANDARDS AND THAT THAT HOPEFULLY IS GOING FORWARD IN A MORE ROBUST WAY SO THAT INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS AREN'T JUST DOING THEIR OWN THING AND BUILDING THEIR OWN THINGS. THEY SHOULD COORDINATE WITH INTERNAL EXPERTISE. OKAY. DOES THAT HELP THE. YEAH, NO, BUT I STILL IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO REBUILD IT, THEN MAYBE WE REBUILD IT AND PUT IT UNDER UNDERNEATH A DIFFERENT UMBRELLA, RIGHT. THAT IT BECOMES COLLABORATIVELY. YEAH. WHICH I HOPE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. WE'LL WE'LL WORK TOGETHER. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF REBUILDING IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, PUTTING IT ON THE SAME SYSTEM AND, AND HAVING IT BE PART OF THE OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT I ABSOLUTELY SEE RIGHT NOW WITH IT BEING WHERE IT'S AT, HOW IT IS, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK WITH THE
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TRAINING AND THE FOLKS THAT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY WITH US. AND OR MAYBE IF CHRIS CAN HELP STAND IT UP IN A BETTER SPOT THAT MEETS ALL OF YOUR SPECS, YOU COULD JUST PAY A HIGHER RATE FOR THE FACT THAT YOU'RE A RENT TO OWN KIND OF A THING OR SOMETHING. THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE VERY MUCH MONEY TO SPEND TO KEEP IT CATASTROPHICALLY FROM FAILING, RIGHT? CATASTROPHICALLY FAILING. BUT BUT IT ALSO, I KNOW THAT IF YOU DO A WHOLE PROJECT THAT'S NOT EVEN A CONSULTING FEE. AND THE DESIGN FEE TO DO THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE. WELL, AS WE'VE TALKED AND LOOKED AROUND IT, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, THIS IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 150,000 OR WHATEVER. AS WE DID MEET LAST WEEK, THESE GUYS DID SAY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT. AND SO WE WILL THAT AND THAT WOULD BE FOR A FULL RELOCATION, FULL BRAND NEW SIZE. BUT THIS IS ALSO A SMALLER USAGE. SO UNLESS WE PUT ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL RUN INTO THIS, SOME ADDITIONAL PRODUCT INTO THIS, I DON'T THINK IT PROBABLY JUSTIFIES A FULL SIZE OR IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR A FULL SIZE LIFT STATION. YEAH. MUNICIPAL LIFT STATION. USUALLY FOR INSTALL YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST $250,000, SO YOU'D ALSO HAVE SOME LINES TO TAKE THIS MAYBE TO ELK PASTURE OR SOMEWHERE THAT WAS ACCESSIBLE, THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET A TRUCK TO IT TO PULL THOSE PUMPS.SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT IN THAT CONSIDERATION. I DO KNOW THE ZOO TRIES TO WORK A LOT WITH SOME PRO BONO BONO, PRO BONO WORK. YEAH. BROWN CALDWELL, WHO'S A VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE WASTEWATER ENGINEERING FIRM, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH DIRECTOR BENNETT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. SO, YEAH, SO I MEAN, IN I'M NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF THIS FEELS SO DIRE, IS THERE A POTENTIALLY A PLAYGROUND, RIGHT. THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YES, IT'S ON THE LIST. I KNOW FROM THE FOCUS REPORT AND TERRACE, BEL AIR AND WILLOWBROOK PARK, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GET REPLACED. BUT WE DID DO AN TERRACE AND WILLOWBROOK ALREADY.
SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE MAYBE WE FORWARD OR WE'VE ALREADY DONE THOSE IS IF THIS IS THAT DIRE, ISN'T IS THERE JUST A PARK THAT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO NOT DO THIS, THIS ONE PLAYGROUND FOR A YEAR. AND JUST JUST LIKE I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IF IT COMES INTO 250,000, IS THAT BIG OF A DEAL? I WOULD SAY IT'S A YES. IT'S WITHIN YOUR BUDGET. WE NEED TO PUT A PLAYGROUND OFF FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS OR FOR A YEAR AND NOT DO IT. A TWO PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT. THAT'S I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY AN OPTION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR. OKAY. SHOULD WE BE WRITING 250,000 A YEAR TO BE REALISTIC? AT LEAST FOR CAPACITY? I THINK YOU'D HAVE LESS SURPRISES DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU GET INTO. UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF WHERE IT'S AT, IT'S LIKE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SO NO ONE CAN GET TO IT TO WORK ON IT. NO ONE CAN GET A TRUCK TO IT, NO ONE. SO TO GET THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF TRENCHING THAT TAKES PLACE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN BORE BASED ON GRADES. IT'S KIND OF A TOUGH SITUATION. WE ONLY RECENTLY FOUND OUT IT EXISTS. SO IT'S TOUGH. IT'S TOUGH STUFF. I THINK WE ALL JUST JUST DISCOVERED THIS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT EVEN EXISTED. WHICH EXPLAINS WHY IT'S NOT MURPH TO CAPITALIZE ANYWHERE. YEAH, IT'S BETTER TO PUT A REALISTIC NUMBER IN THERE THAN TO PUT THE LOW NUMBER IN AND GO, WELL, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THE OTHER 100,000 OR 125,000 OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT WORK OUT TO BE? I'D RATHER PUT THE LOW NUMBER. OR IS THIS THE MID-RANGE NUMBER, THE 150? THE LOW NUMBER? I THINK IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MAKING A STANDARD MUNICIPAL LIFT STATION THAT WORKS, THEN WOULD EVENTUALLY TAKE OVER IF THAT, THAT WOULD SERVE OTHER, YOU KNOW, USES, THEN IT'S CLOSER TO THAT. 250 ARE WE GOING TO NEED ANY OF THAT CHRIS FOR? AND I'M SORRY, THIS IS A WEIRD PLACE FOR THIS CONVERSATION, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL LIFT STATION OR OR CAPACITY FOR ANY OF THE STUFF THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, LIKE ON ROLAND DEBT, ANY OF THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES OVER THERE, OR IS THAT ALL PRETTY MUCH SET IN? NOT NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I HEARD ABOUT CURTIS EXHIBIT AND STUFF COMING ONLINE, BUT CAN I ADD TO THIS PROBLEM? NOT NOT AS NOT ESPECIALLY. I MEAN, IT COULD ADD TO SOME CAPACITY. BUT THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT OUR CONSULTANT HAS IS THAT BECAUSE THE FLOW IS SO LITTLE OR IS SO SUCH A LIGHT FLOW THAT IT'S THE PUMP WILL CONSTANTLY BE COMING ON AND OFF AND WILL BURN OUT FASTER THAN THAN ANYBODY WILL WARRANTY. SO NOBODY WILL WARRANTY A PUMP TO GO INTO HERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T FLOW ENOUGH. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO TO A TYPICAL WASTE STATION LIFT STATION, I MEAN THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR LARGE LARGE AMOUNTS. AND IT'S YEAH, TO ME I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE OVERKILL, BUT IT'S I DON'T
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KNOW WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE. AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR SYSTEM AND NOT JUST TO PROLONG THIS, BUT IT MAY BE CHEAPER TO RELAY THE SEWER LINE AND SEE IF YOU COULD AVOID THE LIFT STATION IN TOKYO. YOU HAD GRAVITY SERVICE FOR OTHER ITEMS, BUT THEN YOU'RE TRENCHING THROUGH EXHIBIT AFTER EXHIBIT AFTER EXHIBIT THAT IT'S TOUGH. SO. SO THERE'S THAT. AND YOU DISCOVERED IT RECENTLY. WAS THAT PART OF THE ACA ACCREDITATION AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT. NO, IT'S JUST BEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE WATER LINES. WE FOUND THAT THEY ALL FLOWED TO THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO DOES EVERYBODY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR NOW TO BE ABLE TO CHARACTERIZE THIS? WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN I'LL SEE IF I CAN LOCK SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS DOWN AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE. ALL RIGHT. LET ME JUST THROW IN A BIT OF INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY OR KNOWLEDGE ON THIS. AND THAT IS THAT THE REASON THAT WE HAVE A PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE? WHEN I CAME IN AND DIRECTOR WEITZEL AND I WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, IT BECAME PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE HAD NOT REPLACED THE PLAYGROUNDS. WE HAD EQUIPMENT THAT WAS FAILING AND OR BROKEN, AND THAT CREATES LIABILITIES, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO FACE ANY SORT OF LITIGATION BECAUSE A CHILD HAD BEEN HURT. RIGHT. SO WE WANTED TO CREATE A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. AND SO USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE, IT'S NOT BASED ON A LAST SECOND KIND OF THING. IT'S BASED ON A HEALTHY REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. SO PUSHING A YEAR MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL, BUT PUSHING A LOT STARTS TO GET YOU BACK TO THE OLD PROBLEM OF HAVING INADEQUATE EQUIPMENT. SO JUST FYI. YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS IT'S JUST THIS FOR ME JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S PRETTY EMERGENCY. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SAID LIKE, DON'T BRING US EMERGENCIES, MAKE GET THAT INTO YOUR BUDGET SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF.ALL RIGHT. KEEP GOING THEN. ALL RIGHT. SOUTH OF SUNNYSIDE, TAP GRANT FUNDED. THIS IS THE PROJECT TO CONNECT OR TO KEEP GOING WITH THE IDAHO CANAL TRAIL FROM WHERE IT ENDED AT ASPEN POINT, SOUTH OF SUNNYSIDE, DOWN TO ABOUT THE FRONTIER FIELDS DOWN IN THAT AREA. SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT CLOSER DOWN TO WHERE THE FUTURE HIGH SCHOOL WILL BE. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A JUST SHY OF 400,000 FOR THE ESTIMATED COST, WITH 364,000 COMING BACK IN THE GRANT. SO IT'S A 7% MATCH, AND THAT UNFUNDED AMOUNT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AS THE MATCH BEING PAID FOR WITHIN THAT BUDGET. SO IT'S INCLUDED ALREADY. OH, I FORGOT THAT IN 20. YEAH. SO THE REQUEST IS STILL FOR 28,000. BUT IT'S THE GENERAL FUND WOULD BE PAYING IN THAT 20,000 FOR THE MATCH. BUT IT'S INCLUDED IN THE EXISTING BUDGET. SO IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST. OKAY. YEAH.
SO WE CAN CROSS THAT OFF OF ONE TIME OKAY. YEAH. LAST THING WOULD BE HERITAGE PARK PARKING LOT PHASE TWO. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN AND PULLED OVER INTO OUR REQUEST FOR THE YEAR THAT WE FIGURED WE'D BE USING IMPACT FEES FOR, AS WE HAD TO REDEVELOP THE SINCE LAST YEAR AS WE REDEVELOPED OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE IMPACT FEES THAT HAS, WE'VE REALLOCATED MOST OF OUR CAPITAL PLANNING TOWARDS COMMUNITY PARKS. AND SO WE HAVEN'T. WE PULLED ANY OF THE FUNDING THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO PUT INTO WORDS HERITAGE PARK BACK OUT. SO THIS IS THIS WOULD JUST BE A ONE TIME REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT HERITAGE PARK RIVER CORRIDOR, RIGHT? WOULD THERE BE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THIS REQUEST? FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH IDAHO FALLS POWER AND THE RIVER CORRIDOR. AND NOT AS PART OF WHAT ALREADY HAS BEEN OUTLINED. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, I BELIEVE, ABOUT TRYING TO SORT OF SET ASIDE SOME FUNDS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. SO I WOULD SEE THAT IF WE DO GO THAT DIRECTION, THEN THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU COULD YOU COULD DO. BUT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY STRUCTURED, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED YET OR FINALIZED YET, BUT COULD THE DOLLAR AMOUNT JUST BE BUILT IN? RIGHT. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YEAH. IF THAT WAS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, I THINK WE COULD DO THAT. I MEAN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT PART OF THE RIVER CORRIDOR. RIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE PICKING UP COSTS OF STUFF THAT'S ON THE RIVER CORRIDOR BECAUSE ACCESS IS ACCESS AND PARKING IS A PART OF ACCESS. YOU COULD YOU COULD ARGUE. YEAH, I THINK, BUT THERE'S VOICE NOT BEING IN THE ROOM. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE HAVE A PERSPECTIVE.
BUT YOUR LOGIC IS PERSUASIVE FOR PARKING ON THE HERITAGE PARK. PARKING HUNDRED THOUSAND. YEAH.
WHEN WE WORK ON THAT POLICY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRING UP AND TALK ABOUT SETTING
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ASIDE THAT FUTURE FUNDING, BECAUSE PARKING WAS YEAH, PART OF PART OF THAT AGREEMENT THAT WE'D BE DOING WITH ALL OF IT. SO MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT IN AND MAKE IT SPENDING IT THIS YEAR CONTINGENT ON THAT POLICIES COMING OUT THAT WAY OR AND THEN NOT DO IT. IF THAT POLICY DOESN'T FLOW THAT WAY. SO SPENDING AUTHORITY BUT NOT SPENDING AUTHORITY, YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS UNTIL MAYBE NEXT SPRING OR SUMMER ANYWAY. NO, IT'LL BE THE FALL. WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT POLICY. OH NO NO, NO. YEAH. THIS WOULD BE PAVING. YEAH. THIS WOULDN'T BE UNTIL PROBABLY NEXT SUMMER. OKAY. SO WE GOT SOME TIME. YEAH, IT MIGHT WORK THAT WAY. IT'S AN IDEA. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RESPONSIBLE PLANNING, BUT IT'S AN IDEA. AND ONCE WE GO THROUGH, LIKE, HALF THE YEAR AND WE REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE SPENDING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF ALMOST LIKE A GUESS OF IT, TOO. WITH IT, LIKE, WE CAN HAVE A LOT LIKE EXCESS FUNDS AS PART OF THAT TOO. THAT COULD BE PUT TOWARD THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC WORKS I THINK. OR ANY ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR PJ? OKAY. PUBLIC WORKS. SO ON THIS PARTICULAR LIST ALL WE HAVE IS JUST A GIS FULL TIME EMPLOYEE. AND I THINK IT'S SHOWN AS WELL. THAT'S JUST A ONE EIGHTH COST ASSOCIATED WITH YEAH, ONE EIGHTH COST OF THAT STREETS PORTION OF PUBLIC WORKS. HALF IS PAID BY POWER, HALF BY PUBLIC WORKS ARE ARE BROKEN OUT OVER FOUR FUNDS. THE OTHER THREE ARE ENTERPRISE GROUPS. SO IT'S JUST THAT 13,380 FOR GIS. IT'S THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW. WE HAVE MORE AND MORE NEEDS TO TRACK THOSE ASSETS. I THINK THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB.SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AT IF NOT, COULD I GO BACK THOUGH? JUST A MINUTE. JUST I HATE TO REPLOW GROUND. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO SOME OF OUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES I THINK HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE ON THE RECURRING CONTRACT, THE 410 FOR TRIPTYCH, WE'VE BASICALLY SAID GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THAT. CORRECT. SO THAT'S KIND OF A SLIDE THAT WILL COME OFF FOR TOMORROW'S PUBLIC WORKS PRESENTATION. I'LL GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THAT. THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN ALSO CHRIS, KEEP THIS SLIDE IN THERE. WE JUST DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT THAT WAY. IT'LL IT'LL BE A REFERENCE POINT IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO GO BACK TO IT CURRENTLY. OKAY. AND THE SAME THING FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL FUNDS. THOSE WERE FUNDE.
BUT THE LANDSCAPING MODIFICATION, THERE WAS A $250,000 EXPENSE IN THAT AS A COUNCIL PRIORITY TO TRY TO DO SOME LANDSCAPING. SO BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT SLIDE IN THERE AS WELL FOR, FOR THAT SO WE CAN JUST RECOVER. BUT I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO APPROVE THOSE. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. PERFECT. SO I HAVE ARE THEY BAKED IN. IT'S ALREADY BAKED INTO YOUR BUDGET RIGHT. YEAH. I'M JUST WONDERING MORE MORE DEPARTMENTS USE GIS THAN JUST THE ENTERPRISES AND STREETS. SO I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT ONE EIGHTH COST. TWO STREETS. AND MAYBE I'M GOING TO TAKE US IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. I'M REALLY WONDERING WHETHER ENTERPRISE CAN JUST FUND ALL OF GIS INSTEAD OF, LIKE, BREAKING IT OUT INTO STREETS AND THEN, OH, HERE'S WHERE FIRE USES IT, OR HERE'S WHERE CDS USES IT AND JUST SAY, THIS IS PRIMARILY A FUNCTION OF THE ENTERPRISE, UTILITIES AND STREETS NOT BEING A UTILITY. THEY HAVE THE JUST THE ADVANTAGE IN THE SAME WAY THAT LIKE CDS OR THE PUBLIC HAS, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT YOU NOW THAT IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT GIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO IN THE PAST, HAVING A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO GO TALK ABOUT AND ARM WRESTLE OVER PRIORITIES. IT'S BEEN NICE FOR STREETS TO HAVE, HEY, I HAVE BUDGET ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. I NEED MY PRIORITIES TO BE MET. OKAY? I DON'T IT'S NOT LIKE WE WOULD TELL STREETS TO THAT'S NOT THE CASE. BUT BUT IT'S ALWAYS MAKES BETTER SENSE I GUESS IN THAT ALLOCATION. BUT I THINK WE COULD SET THAT UP HOWEVER WE'D LIKE. IT WOULD BE SHOCKING TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S NOT A SINGLE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY THAT DOES UTILIZE GIS. THAT'S THAT'S MORE OF WHAT I WAS THINKING ANYWAY.
SO LIKE TO TAKE A GENERAL FUND COST AND GIVE THEM ONE EIGHTH OF IT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO BE STREETS. THEN ANYWAY, JUST A THOUGHT. IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU'RE THE HEAVIEST NON UTILITY USER IN. ANY THOUGHTS ON. WELL WE HAVE LIKE BRIAN IS THE ONE THAT REALLY DOES THE GIS FOR CDS. SO WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT DOES IT. AND REALLY WHEN HE GOES TO DEREK WHEN HE HAS PROBLEMS HE CAN REALLY ADDRESS. YEAH I'M NOT REALLY LOOKING AT MOVING INTO THAT DIRECTION. I'M LOOKING AT GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION TO SAY LIKE, OH, WE HAVE ENTERPRISE. THAT IS THAT IS
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THE ULTIMATE SUBSCRIBER AND USER FOR IT. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THAT. IT'S VERY REASONABLE. SO I THINK YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS. BUT I SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU RIGHT LISA. SO THEN YOU WOULD PUT LIKE ALL GIS UNDER ONE UMBRELLA OF ALL THE USERS. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT. DO WE REALLY NEED $13,380 TO COME OUT OF A GENERAL FUND STREETS DEPARTMENT WHEN IT'S A CITYWIDE USE? BUT THE PRIMARY REASON FOR IT IS UTILITIES. SO THEN OTHER DEPARTMENTS? NO, JUST I BELIEVE THE INTENTION OF IT IS THE FUNDS, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE PAYING FOR IT ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS THAT ARE BEING ADDED INTO GIS. SO STREETS IS A MAJOR PIECE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG WITH POWER ALONG WITH FIBER. SO THEY'RE OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT. THANK YOU BROOKS THAT THEY ARE ADDING THEY'RE YOU'RE ADDING STREETS NOT TAKING THEM AWAY. THANK YOU THANK YOU. TAKE THAT ARGUMENT FURTHER. YOU'RE GOING THE OTHER WAY I'M GOING THIS WAY. SO CATHERINE MIGHT HAVE TO ZIP BETWEEN THIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SPEAKING OF STREETS, NEXT PAGE. SO THIS IS A PRETTY BIG ASK. THIS IS A NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING TO BE SHARED WITH THE SANITATION GROUP. WE'VE MET WITH OUR CONSULTANT MOVING FORWARD THAT HAVE INDICATED A ROUGH ESTIMATE BETWEEN STREETS AND SANITATION OF 5.5 MILLION. SO THIS IS HALF OF THE COST SHARED BY STREETS. SO ITH WE WOULD HAVE. SO IT'S BEING BROUGHT FORWARD IN THIS BUDGET FOR CONSIDERATION. WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN MIND. YEAH. FUND BALANCE IS THERE TO BUILD THIS. AND YOU ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE FINISHED IN THIS. I'M 26. I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF DOUBTFUL WE'D BUDGET THE FULL AMOUNT AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO ROLL OVER. I BET IT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE BUDGET YEARS. OKAY. OKAY, ALL RIGHT. BACK TO YOU, RECREATION. AQUATIC CENTER LOCKERS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WE'VE NEEDED TO REPLACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANTICIPATED FUNDING SOURCES FOR IT, 45,000. BUT IT HAS ALSO BEEN ON OUR REQUEST FOR YEARS FOR, FOR A HANDFUL OF YEARS. AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY DIRE TO HAVE DONE AND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MERCK BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T JUST GET USED UP AND LIKE, LIKE A, LIKE A PRODUCT WOULD. SO IT'S KIND OF LONG LASTING. IS IT JUST MINOR ISH? IT'S I MEAN, IT'S NOT MINOR. THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL LOCKERS THAT WERE IN IN 1986. SO AND THEY NEVER WERE MERGED. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHY ARE WE NOT PROPOSING THEM TO BE MERGED IN THE FUTURE? WELL, I THINK IF WE REPLACE THEM, THEY PROBABLY WILL BE LIKE, THAT'S HOW WE'VE KIND OF DONE MOST OF OUR, YOU KNOW, GOLF CARTS WHEN THEY WEREN'T AND IRRIGATION, ONCE IT DOES GET REPLACED, IT IS TYPICALLY THE PROGRAM SAVES THE HEARTACHE. RIGHT. OKAY. SECOND THING, KIND OF A WEIRD TITLE DOOR HEAT IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE SOLARIUM AT THE ICE OR AT THE AQUATIC CENTER. THE SOLARIUM IS THE OBVIOUSLY THE LITTLE GLASS SECTION OF THE BUILDING THAT HAS TWO PANE GLASS IN IT THAT HAS SEVERAL OF THE PANES OF ARE FILLED UP WITH WATER AND HAVE MOLD GROWING IN THEM. AND THEY ARE IT'S JUST A IT'S BECOME AN ISSUE IN THE LAST YEAR. THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD KIND OF STEAM AND MOISTURE IN THERE. THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT WORSE IN THIS LAST YEAR. AND SO WE DID REACH OUT TO GET SOME QUOTES. IT'D BE ABOUT 17 GRAND TO REPLACE THAT. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THE HUMIDITY LEVELS ARE IN THE POOL. I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE SINCE THE NEW DEHUMIDIFIERS. IT FEELS PRETTY AMAZING IN THERE. IT'S DIFFERENT. OKAY, CAN'T SMELL CHLORINE. I MEAN, YOU CAN SMELL CHLORINE, BUT IT'S NOT AN OVERPOWERING SMELL. CHLORINE, THE AUTOMATIC DOORS THAT THAT DISCONNECT THE LOCKER ROOMS FROM THE NATATORIUM. AUTOMATIC CLOSERS HAVE REALLY HELPED TO MAKE SURE THE FRONT THE FRONT STAYS A LOT WARMER. IT'S NOT ALWAYS CHILLED OUT, AND IT'S PRETTY AMAZING. A LOT DIFFERENT OVER THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN MOVING ON TO MOVING ON TO GOLF. THIS IS SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE IN WITHIN OUR BUDGET ALREADY THAT ARE THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED IN. BUT LIKE LAST YEAR, SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS WERE BROUGHT OUT FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO INVEST INTO THE GOLF PROGRAM. BUT THROUGH THOSE, THE[03:25:01]
NETTING AND POLES, IT SAYS DRIVING RANGE. BUT THIS IS ON PINECREST. THIS IS A LONG HOLE.NUMBER TWO, ALONG THE SECTION THAT BACKS UP TO A BUNCH OF HOUSES ALONG OR IN THE BEL AIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE AN OLD NET IN THERE, THAT IS, IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE HOLE. AND IT IS DILAPIDATED. THERE'S TREES AND STUFF THAT HAVE GROWN THROUGH IT, AND A LOT OF OUR POLES ARE IN PRETTY HARSH SHAPE OVER THERE. AND SO WE DID HAVE A CONSULTANT COME IN. IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL LAVA ROCK ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT SECTION. AND SO IT IS GOING TO BE A FAIRLY EXPENSIVE PROGRAM OR PROJECT, BUT SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE DONE SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. PINECREST CLUBHOUSE, NEW ROOF ON THAT. THAT WAS ONE AGAIN, LIKE LAST YEAR, THE CLUBHOUSE ROOF FOR SAGE LAKES WAS WAS PUT INTO THE GENERAL FUND. I THOUGHT WE'D THROW IT OUT FOR THE GENERAL FUND AGAIN THIS YEAR. NEXT ONE, IT SAYS PINECREST DRIVING RANGE NET SAFETY NET. THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR SAND CREEK AND IT IS 18,000 IS A IS FOR TAKING THE NET THAT WAS PURCHASED LAST YEAR AND PUTTING A CAP ON THE BOTTOM. ESSENTIALLY, THAT HELPS KEEP OUR MOWERS AND BALLS FROM GOING UNDERNEATH IT. THAT NET TYPICALLY I GUESS THEY START ABOUT A FOOT OFF THE GROUND AND WE'RE HAVING QUITE A FEW THINGS COME UP UNDERNEATH THAT. SO IT'S A $18,000 REQUEST. LIKE I SAID, MOST OF THIS IS IN OUR BUDGET, IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET ALREADY, THE BUNKER SAND IS KIND OF A SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN OUR BUDGET EVERY FEW YEARS TO REDO ALL THE SAND AT PINECREST SAND CREEK, NETTING FOR SAFETY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DRIVING RANGE. THIS IS $90,000. THIS IS FOR A LONG HIT ROAD AND THE DRIVING RANGE. SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVENTUALLY DOING AS HIT ROAD BECOMES BUSIER AND BUSIER, IS REALLY TRYING TO ENCAPSULATE ALL OF THAT DRIVING RANGE INTO THAT NETTING SYSTEM. SAND CREEK NEW BUILDING FOR CARETAKER MAINTENANCE OFFICE IN OCTOBER THIS YEAR. WE HAVE OUR WE ARE GOING TO BE DEMOLISHING THE CARETAKER'S HOUSE AT SAND CREEK. WITH THAT, THERE IS A PUSH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PUT KIND OF A STUDIO APARTMENT IN OUR MAINTENANCE SHOP OUT THERE SO THAT WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY LIVING ON GROUNDS THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY WITH THE OLD GOLF, THE OLD IRRIGATION SYSTEM DOES HAVE, DOES NEED A LOT OF NIGHTTIME ASSISTANCE AND NIGHTTIME WORK DONE ON THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT CARETAKER THAT LIVES OUT THERE TYPICALLY IS DOING. SAGE LAKE'S TWO NEW GREEN ROLLERS, JUST SOME SMALL EQUIPMENT THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE GOLF COURSE. SAGE LAKE'S RESTROOM ON NUMBER FIVE. THIS REALLY GIVES US SOME SPENDING AUTHORITY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING LAST TWO YEARS ON THIS RESTROOM. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AN EASEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER NEXT DOOR. UTILITIES AREN'T OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COURSE OUT THERE. AND SO WE IT'S TAKEN A LOT LONGER FOR US TO WORK WITH THAT DEVELOPER TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET FUNDS OR TO BE ABLE TO GET THE EASEMENT AND BE ABLE TO GET UTILITIES OUT TO THE, TO THE COURSE THERE. SO AND THEN THE SAGE LAKES IRRIGATION SYSTEM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WE'LL TAKE OFF OF OUR OF THAT REQUEST FOR THE YEAR. LAST IS OUR WATER UTILITY LINE AT SAGE LAKES CLUBHOUSE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS HOPEFULLY TO DO SOME TRADE WORK. WE ARE GOING TO DO, I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A NEW WELL OUT THERE FOR THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN. IS THAT RIGHT, CHRIS? AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A LOCATION.
WE FOUND SOME SPACE THERE AND WE SAID, IF WE DO THAT, CAN WE JUST BRING SOME WATER AND ATTACH THE SEWER TO THE MAIN SAGE LAKES CLUBHOUSE? SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN DO THAT. BUT WE DID WANT TO HAVE THAT SPENDING AUTHORITY. IF IN CASE THAT HAPPENS, WE CAN GET THAT GOING. SO I DON'T CONFUSE WHEN YOU SAY THESE ARE INCLUDED IN MY BUDGET, BUT THEY'RE HERE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A SELF-SUSTAINING FUND, WE'VE BUILT THEM INTO OUR THE EXPENSES INTO OUR BUDGET. SO THEY ARE ALL WITHIN I BELIEVE ALL OF THESE ARE IN OUR BUDGET, ALREADY BUILT IN TO A FLAT BUDGET THAT WE THAT WE BUT WE STILL NEED SPENDING AUTHORITY.
SO WE WOULD LIKE THESE TO BE APPROVED FOR THE SPENDING AUTHORITY OF THEM. BUT AND THAT'S MY TEAM MUST HAVE MISSED THAT. SO WE'LL WE'LL UPDATE THIS IF THOSE ARE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET NUMBERS. OKAY. SO THESE DON'T COUNT AS NEW REQUESTS THEN. RIGHT NOW NONE OF THOSE
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WOULD BE. IF THEY'RE NOT NEW THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE. IT SEEMED LIKE LAST YEAR WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT FEES WERE GOING TO PAY FOR MOW, OR WHETHER FEES ALSO WERE GOING TO PAY FOR CAPITAL REQUESTS. YES. AND LAST YEAR, FEES PAID FOR O&M, CORRECT? YES.AND THE GENERAL FUND FUNDED SOME OF THE SOME OF THE CAPITAL REQUESTS. SO YES. IS THAT OUT THERE? IS THAT KIND OF THE REASON WHY YOU BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE GOLF FUND WAS ACTUALLY PAYING FOR ITSELF, WHETHER IT WAS IF IT HAD AS MUCH MONEY AS IT REALLY. NOT, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED. BUT I THINK THAT THAT WAS THAT'S MAYBE A QUESTION FOR FINANCE WORKS IS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ARE WE ARE WE REALLY TO THAT POINT. AND I'M SORRY, JIM, BUT IF IT IS SO BUSY AS WE HEAR, MAYBE WE SHOULD INCREASE THE FEES. YEAH. BUILDING THE GOLF COURSE. YEAH.
BECAUSE YOU INCREASE YOUR FEES. YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY WE CAN CERTAINLY BUILD ANOTHER GOLF COURSE. YEAH. I MEAN, IT FEELS SO WE'D HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO USE IT. SO I'D BE MORE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT FROM FINANCE. WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT. YEAH. SO WE LOOK AT THIS, WE'LL REVIEW THAT. AND IF THOSE ARE ALL INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET WE WOULD BE UPDATING THIS COLUMN, THE ANTICIPATED FUNDING SOURCE THAT THEY'RE FULLY FUNDED. AND THEY WOULD NOT BE A REQUEST OF THE GENERAL FUND. OKAY. GREAT. SO IF THIS GETS UPDATED BEFORE NEXT TUESDAY, MAYBE YOU COULD RECIRCULATE THIS. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN LIBRARY. NOTHING. AND POLICE IMPACT FEE. SO THIS IS THE POLICE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THIS IS THE IMPACT FEE PART THAT WE CAN'T SPEND YET THAT WE'RE WE'RE HOLDING. THE MONEY'S THERE TO BUY THEM. WE PLANNED ON DOING TWO PER YEAR.
WE HAD TWO ATHLETES IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE NOT SPENT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MORATORIUM ON APPS THAT WOULD PUSH THE AUTHORITY TO BUY THOSE NEXT YEAR. IF THAT GETS LIFTED, THEN TWO ADDITIONAL CARS. SO THIS IS FOLLOWING THAT IMPACT FEE PLAN. THE AUTHORITY HAS SPEND IT. IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. OKAY. SO PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ON THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION FUNDS FOR STREETS. SO THIS ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY SHOWED IN THE TARP PROGRAM. THIS IS A SIDEWALK ON YELLOWSTONE IN BETWEEN PANCARI AND SUNNYSIDE. SOMETHING WE'VE NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME. IN THIS THOUGH, IT'S A 7% MATCH AGAIN THAT WE WOULD JUST PROPOSE SPENDING OUT OF THE CAPITAL FUND. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A GENERAL FUND ASK NECESSARILY.
FUND BALANCE IS AVAILABLE TO PAY FOR IT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING? YEAH. OKAY. WAS THAT PART OF THAT? I MEAN THERE WAS SOME OF IT THAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT THIS YEAR, OR IS AM I JUST TOO EXCITED AND THINKING IT'S COMING AND IT'S REALLY IN NEXT YEAR'S. YEAH. OKAY, I WAS HOPING. 26 PROJECT. RIGHT. WHAT'S THAT? IT IS AT 26 NEXT YEAR'S PROJECT. I THINK WE HAD ANTICIPATED TO SUBMIT PLANS LATE THIS FALL FOR THOSE TWO PROJECTS. ALSO, THE IDAHO CANAL PIECE THAT PJ REFERENCED EARLIER IS THIS ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, OR IS IT BOTH JUST ON THE WEST? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO THE END OF THIS FORM. AND I DID WANT TO JUST CIRCLE BACK TO THE FIRE IMPACT FEE. WE ADDED THE REGIONAL TRAINING CENTER. IS IT ONLY 50,000 OR IS IT MORE THAT'S MATCHED BY ANOTHER ENTITY? NO, WE WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT IT WILL BE PROBABLY UNDER THAT OKAY. FOR A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OKAY. SO THE POTENTIAL PARTNER IS MORE FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF, FACILITY ITSELF, SITE PLANNING AND CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS. THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN DO IT FOR US. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THEN THE PAGE THAT ASKS THAT DIDN'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE. THAT WAS SUPER CLEAR. TO CLARIFY ASKED OTHER QUESTIONS.
DO WE WANT TO GO AND SHARE OUR ONES OR DO WE WANT TO JUST DO ALL OF THAT NEXT TIME? PROBABLY NEXT TIME. I'M FINE WITH NEXT. NEXT TIME, NEXT TIME. THANK YOU. I'VE TAKEN NOTES THAT I FEEL LIKE I CAN REMEMBER, LIKE I'VE ALREADY READ IT ONE TIME AND SEE HOW IT LEADS FOR FUNDING THE ONGOING. IS THERE VALUE? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE COLUMNS HERE IDENTIFYING WHICH ARE ONGOING, WHICH ARE ONE TIME AND SO ALREADY THE INFORMATION IS THERE. BUT WOULD ANY OF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT HAVE THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PAPER SEPARATED INTO ONGOING AND ONE TIMES IS TWO SEPARATE CHARTS? NO I DIDN'T I LIKE IT BY THE DEPARTMENT'S BETTER OKAY. YEAH I THINK I'VE GOT THE NOTES THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. SO IF I'M WAY OFF APPROACH SO CORRECT ME. WELL, AND I DON'T WANT TO SHARE MY RATINGS OF THESE THINGS UNTIL I KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THERE IS.
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RIGHT. BECAUSE THEN MY RATINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE SO WELL. AND MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO GETTING TO OUR LAST CONVERSATION ON THE AGENDA. AND LET ME ASK BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, PAM BROOKS AND I GUESS MARK'S GONE, BUT WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD, GIVEN THAT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S THE 15TH? WE'RE ALREADY HALFWAY AFTER TONIGHT, HALFWAY THROUGH THIS MONTH, OR ALMOST HALFWAY.DO WE THINK ONE WEEK FROM SEVEN MORE DAYS FROM NOW THAT THE COUNTY MAY HAVE SOME NUMBERS FOR US LAST YEAR, ABOUT THAT TIME THEY DID, BUT I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW. AND I DON'T THINK THERE ARE STATUTORILY REQUIRED UNTIL ABOUT AUGUST. AND THAT'S USUALLY WHEN WE GET THEM.
AND WE USUALLY GET THEM RIGHT BEFORE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF FOOTWORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING READY TO GO. SO WHAT WAS THAT LAST YEAR FOR MEETING NUMBER THREE? WE DID HAVE SOME BETTER NUMBERS. YEAH. SO YEAH IT'S NOT THE SAME FINAL FINALS, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN MY RECOLLECTION WAS IN PAST YEARS MARK HAD TO CALL A NUMBER OF TIMES HE HAS A CONTACT BY ANY CHANCE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE HIM READY TYPE OF A THING. AND WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING UNTIL THE FIRST PART OF AUGUST. UNFORTUNATELY, AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, ARE YOU HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM OKAY.
WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER? I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION WE ALL BENEFIT FROM? I JUST SAID, IS THERE ANY REASON TO MEET IF WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER? RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'VE HASHED EVERYTHING OUT AND UNTIL WE GET THE NUMBER WE DON'T HAVE, WELL, IT DOES MAKE IT REALLY TRICKY TO KNOW WHERE TO SET THAT CEILING FOR THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET. AND SO EVEN LAST YEAR THOUGH, WE MET AND WE DID IT BASED ON THE ESTIMATE. AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND SAID LIKE, OH, THIS IS EITHER GOING TO BE OUT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THAT'S WHERE CHRIS ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT WHERE DID MY MONEY GO? THAT'S WHERE I THAT'S WHEN WE DID IT IS WE SAID IT'S EITHER GOING TO COME FROM GROWTH AND ANNEXATION, OR IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE FUND. THAT WAS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND THEN WHEN THE WHEN THE FINAL NUMBERS CAME IN, THAT'S WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE MONEY MORE BACK INTO THE PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. SO IT ONLY REDUCED IT BY A SMALLER AMOUNT RATHER THAN THE LARGER AMOUNT, WHICH WE SAID, THESE ARE OUR PRIORITIES. SO EVEN AT THAT POINT, THE PLAN FOR REPLENISHING SOME OF THE STREETS MONEY PERHAPS, I MEAN, AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT IT SURE WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE BETTER PRELIMINARY NUMBERS EVEN THOUGH THEY WON'T BE FINAL. AND SO THERE IS THAT OPTION OF PUSHING THAT. OUR MEETING, NEXT MEETING OFF TO THE 28TH AND SKIPPING NEXT WEEK. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT MESSES WITH PEOPLE'S TRAVEL PLANS AND OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO MAYBE GET BETTER NUMBERS. AND ANOTHER IDEA IS WE COULD ESTIMATE HOW WE WANT TO SPEND IT, AND YOU COULD PUT IT IN AS CONTINGENCY, AND THEN WE JUST DON'T ACTUALLY GET TO SPEND IT. IF THE FUNDING DOESN'T COME IN FOR THAT. IF YOU PRIORITIZE THINGS YOU WANT TO PUT MONEY TOWARDS, THAT COULD BE A VERY ELEGANT AND FUNCTIONAL SOLUTION. YEAH. AND KEEP US ON THE SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE ON. I'D LIKE TO MEET NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE TAKING THE GOLF MONEY OUT, WHAT THE REAL IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND IS IN TERMS OF ONE TIME MONEY AND AN ONGOING. THAT NUMBER WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ME.
OKAY. WELL, AND THEN THERE'S STILL SOME DECISIONS TO BE FINALIZED ON FOREGONE AND OTHER THINGS AS WELL. I SEE THE OTHER. YEAH I SEE I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON THE SHOOTING RANGE WITH FINANCE. SO WE HAVE $1 MILLION LEFT OVER IN THIS COP. SO THERE'S A MILLION OF BORROWED MONEY IS THE WAY TO SAY THAT, THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE AT LIKE A 1.5% INTEREST RATE FOR AN EFFECTIVE RATE OF ABOUT ONE AND A HALF. SO WE HAVE UNSPENT FUNDS PLUS THE INTEREST EARNED ON THE ENTIRE BOND AS WE DREW IT DOWN. SO MOST LIKELY MORE LIKE A MILLION, MILLION AND A HALF. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE TO PAY ARBITRAGE OUT OF THAT SAME MONEY. YES. AND SO THIS IS BUT IF WE DIDN'T DO IT, THEN THIS $950,000 WOULD GO JUST BACK INTO IT. AND IT'S MONEY WE. $950,000 IS NO MORE DEBT. IT'S JUST $1 MILLION LESS IN DEBT TO US. BUT IT'S NOT THE PAYMENT MORE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST WE HAVE $1 MILLION LESS IN DEBT. SO THE FUNDING THAT'S IN A TRUST RIGHT NOW WILL GET APPLIED TO OUR DEBT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE PAYMENT. SO THAT MONEY THAT'S IN OUR BUDGET TO PAY THE DEBT IS WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THAT'S ALLOCATED. THAT WAS THE PART THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD. BUT THE INTEREST RATE, THE DEBT REPAYMENT SCHEDULE IN ANY WAY.
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CORRECT? YES. SO THE AND THE EFFECTIVE INTEREST RATE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS. IT'S SUPER LOW. YEAH. SO JUST A REFRESHER, DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON ASSISTANCE. BUT AS A REFRESHER, WE BORROWED A COP FOR $30 MILLION. NOT. AND IT WAS NOT TO EXCEED $30 MILLION AT 1.89% INTEREST, 1.89 1.89% INTEREST. AND IT WAS GOING TO HAVE THAT PUT ON HER HEADSTONE BECAUSE IT WAS SO INCREDIBLE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M WEIGHING UP IS WE HAD WAS A 19 YEAR PAYBACK PERIOD. WE WERE ESTIMATING THAT, YEAH, NOT TO EXCEED 30,000,019.19 YEAR PAYBACK PERIOD. 1.89 CHRIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT PROJECT CAME IN AT LIKE 29 AND SOME CHANGE 29 MILLION ISN'T CHANGE. SO THAT MILLION DOLLARS IS UP TO THE $30 MILLION CAPACITY THAT WE WERE GIVEN COUNCIL DIRECTIONS TO STAFF, NOT TO EXCEED $30 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT. SO DOES THAT KIND OF HELP REFRESH? YEAH, I YEAH, THIS WAS THE FOR ME, IT'S LIKE $950,000 AT 1.89% VERSUS WAITING A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN HAVING TO BORROW IT FROM A GENERAL FUND AND BEING, YOU KNOW, A 6% INTEREST RATE. AND I MAKE ONE MORE POINT FOR YOU, IS THAT JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS WAS ENGINEERED, THAT WE VALUE ENGINEERED THIS PIECE OF THE COMPLEX OUT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO COME IN UNDER THE 30 MILLION.RIGHT. AND NOW IT TURNS OUT THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THERE, WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT ALREADY. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BRICK AND MORTAR. OH, YEAH. IT WOULD HAVE COST MORE IF IT WAS BRICK AND MORTAR. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT IT TO YOU, IT WAS LIKE $40 MILLION. IF YOU RECALL, IN THE FIRST MEETING WE HAD, WE HAD A VALUE ENGINEER DOWN FROM THAT.
AND SO IT GOT TAKEN OUT DURING THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DID HAPPEN IS, IF I SAY IT TOO MANY TIMES, CHRIS CANFIELD IS AN AMAZING HUMAN BEING AND DOES GREAT WORK. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT. AND 1.79% PER YEAR OR NOT, BUT BUT BUT THE CONTINGENCY PART OF THAT AND IF I GET THE WRONG WORDS, THE CHANGE ORDERS, WE JUST DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. WE WERE VERY STRICT ON ON NOT CHANGING THINGS SO THAT WE WOULD COME UNDER BUDGET. AND THEN WE ADDITIONALLY VALUE ENGINEERED STUFF OUT DURING THAT PROCESS, LIKE THE SOME OF THE OUTDOOR SPACE. WE TOOK IT FROM LIKE A $45,000 WAS BUDGETED UNDER THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND WE SPENT ABOUT 3000. SO WE TRIED TO KEEP IT VERY LOW, HOPING THAT WE COULD THEN TAKE THAT SAVINGS AND PUT SOME STUFF BACK IN, LIKE FARADAY ROOM. WE WERE ABLE TO ENGINEER THAT BACK IN, WHICH IS A GREAT ASSET IN THIS CONTEXT. THAT SHOOTING RANGE WAS THE OTHER THING. WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE ENOUGH SAVINGS IN THAT TO PUT IT BACK IN. AND THEN THE FINANCE FOLKS DOING THEIR STUFF WITH THE INTEREST IS HUGELY HELPFUL ALSO.
SO WE HAD ALWAYS HOPED TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT BACK IN THERE. IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, BUT IT TOOK A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF GREAT WORK TO COME IN QUITE A BIT UNDER BUDGET TO GET THAT CAPACITY. NORMALLY IT WOULD BE UNDER NORMAL BUDGET CONDITIONS WHERE THERE WEREN'T AS MANY HOLES TO FILL AS WE HAVE THIS YEAR. IT WOULD BE EASY TO SAY SAVED SO MUCH MONEY, YOU SAY, AND YOU CAN STILL PUT THIS IN AND WE STILL HAVE SOME MORE TO PLAY WITH. THAT'S GREAT. YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST THAT THIS YEAR IS SO INCREDIBLY TIGHT BECAUSE WE MADE CHANGES IN HOW WE ALLOCATE COSTS IN IN POWER. BUT OH GO AHEAD.
AND ALSO JUST ANOTHER MEMORY REFRESHER HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE MONEY. REMEMBER WE SAID WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR ONGOING TO COVER THE PAYMENT FOR THE TERM OF THE LOAN. AND THAT ACTUALLY CAME FROM AND ACTUALLY COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS HAD ASKED ABOUT THAT. AND NOW ACTUALLY A CLOSURE OF A REDEVELOPMENT. AND WHAT THAT DID WAS BECAUSE THAT CLOSED IT INCREASED OUR GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. SO WE WERE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THOSE FUNDS TO PUT TOWARDS THAT PAYMENT EVERY YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS PART OF OUR ONGOING BECAUSE IT WENT RIGHT INTO OUR ONGOING BUDGET. SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. YEAH. AND IT WAS A BIG DEAL. BUT IT ALSO FELT LIKE WE CLOSED THIS AMAZING DISTRICT AND DIDN'T SEE DIDN'T GET THE FUND MONEY FROM IT BECAUSE WE PUT IT RIGHT TO VOTE. BUT IT ALSO CAME FROM THE AQUATIC CENTER, MILLION DOLLARS THAT GAVE US THE OTHER MILLION TO GET SOME OF THE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM THAT AS WELL, SOME PROJECTS SAVINGS. I REMEMBER THAT MEETING. YEAH. REALLY. WELL, SO THE ONE THING I WANT TO ASK LISA ABOUT YOUR COMMENT IS WHY WAS THE 1.89% INTEREST RATE MATTER THAT APPLIES TO A LOAN WE ALREADY HAD, AND THIS MONEY IS HERE AND IT'S HERE FOR US TO USE. AND SO WHAT IS THE CALCULATION THAT YOU'RE DOING? I'M NOT AS WELL. IF WE WERE PAYING 7% INTEREST ON A $950,000
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BUILDING, THEN, THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, THAT PAYMENT JUST MIGHT NOT BE THE VALUE TO IT, RIGHT? BUT AT 1.89% THEN IS IT THAT PAYMENT? YOU MEAN YOU WOULD WANT TO USE IT TO PAY DOWN THE LOAN TO BRING THE EFFECTIVE INTEREST RATE DOWN? RIGHT. IT'S $1 MILLION. IT'S $1 MILLION OF REAL MONEY THAT YOU PUT TOWARDS THE LOAN. AND IF IT HAS A HIGHER INTEREST RATE, THEN YOU'RE REALLY MAKING A BIGGER DENT. DID WE HAVE AN EARLY REPAYMENT PENALTY OR AFTER WE PAY FOR FIVE YEARS OR TEN, TEN, TEN, TEN. AND THEN WE THEN AFTER THAT FIRST TEN YEARS, WE HAVE TO PAY THE 2 MILLION PER YEAR. IT'S ABOUT 1.9 AND SOME CHANGE. AND THEN AFTER THE 10TH YEAR, THAT 11TH YEAR, WE CAN START MAKING EARLY PAYMENTS ON PAID DOWN SOONER. AND WHILE WE'RE EARNING MORE INTEREST THAN WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO PAY OUT, THAT'S THE ARBITRAGE THAT WE HAVE TO PAY BACK TO THE IRS TO KEEP THOSE BONDS TAX EXEMPT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALREADY IS THAT NEXT WEEK, WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO GET AS REFINED NUMBERS AS WE CAN, IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE IN OUR INTERACTION WITH THE COUNTY. BECAUSE THEY DON'T THEY'RE WORKING ON THE SCHEDULE. THEY'RE ON NUMBER TWO, WE WANT TO HAVE THIS THIS PARTICULAR HANDOUT THAT WE JUST WENT OVER, CLEANED UP IN TERMS OF THE GOLF ENTRIES, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DATA POINTS ON THIS FORM THAT YOU NEED THAT WILL HELP YOU WITH YOUR EVALUATION PROCESS OR PRIORITIZATION PROCESS NEXT WEEK? ANY OTHER CHANGES OR ADDITIONS? OKAY. ARE THERE OTHER. DID WE I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ONE OTHER PIECE OF DATA. MAYBE IT WAS JUST GETTING THAT BACK TO RESOLUTION EMAIL THAT WHICH IS ALREADY DONE, BUT ARE THERE OTHER PIECES OF DATA OR INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED ANSWER BEFORE WE CAN HAMMER IT ALL OUT NEXT WEEK? BROOKS, YOU HAD SAID THAT THE $1.6 MILLION FIGURE THAT COUNCILOR FRANCIS HAD CITED AS COMING OUT OF STREETS WAS ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY ALLOCATED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED RIGHT NOW? YEAH. SO 450,000 WAS INTERMOUNTAIN GAS FRANCHISE FEE THAT MOVED TO THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S A DIRECT IMPACT TO STREETS WHERE THE REST OF THE IMPACTED STREETS WAS ABSORBED BY SANITATION AND WASTEWATER. SO IT'S A PUBLIC WORKS IMPACT. BUT 450,000, WHICH USED TO BE 600,000 IN INTERMOUNTAIN GAS FRANCHISE FEE. THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN A DIRECT IMPACT TO STREETS THAT THEY HAVE JUST HAD TO REDUCE OUT OF THEIR BUDGET. ALL RIGHT. SO THEY'RE ONLY DOWN THAT MUCH. BUT SANITATION PICKED UP THE REST. YES. NO WE'VE DONE WE'VE REDUCED WE'VE REDUCED THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE FROM 4 MILLION TO 2.94 MILLION. SO REVENUE THAT WE'VE GIVEN UP IS SIGNIFICANT. AS BROOKS MENTIONED TODAY, WE'VE WE'VE RECEIVED 424,000 IN FRANCHISE FEES. LAST YEAR. IT WAS 650 YEAR BEFORE THAT WAS 820. SO IT'S BUDGETED AS 450 RIGHT. CORRECT. BUT THIS YEAR WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED AT 426. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE COMING DOWN TO WITH THE CHANGES WITH SWEEPING MOVING TO SANITATION IS ONE. RIGHT. BUT OUR PAVED STREET MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN REDUCED BY $1 MILLION IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, 1 MILLION, $1 MILLION. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST. SO THAT SHORTFALL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO WORK TO REDUCE DOES THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, OKAY. ANY OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED.SO WE IDENTIFIED BEFORE WE STARTED THE DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT WE IDENTIFIED SOME POSSIBLE FUNDING SOURCES. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T CHOSEN WHICH ONES WERE GOING TO DRAW FROM TO MEET EVERYTHING. SO BE PREPARED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BECAUSE ALONGSIDE THAT LIST WAS ALSO BROKEN IN ANNEXATION, 3% TAX RATE OR 3% INCREASE IN OUR TAXES. AND WHATEVER FEES, WELL, THE FEES ARE BAKED IN ALREADY, BUT DO WE? I DON'T HAVE A MOCK AGENDA. I MEANT TO BRING ONE IN AND I RAN OUT OF TIME. BUT DIRECTOR, WHEN IS THE DEADLINE FOR FEES? HAVE YOU ALREADY SUBMITTED THEM? ARE THEY ALREADY BEING COMPILED AS WE SPEAK? OKAY, SO ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT FEES ALSO NEXT TUESDAY? OR AS FAR AS WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR? WE DISCUSSED THEM AT A SUPER HIGH LEVEL LAST WEEK. WE COULD GO INTO MORE DEPTH IF YOU WANT TO TALK MORE DETAILED. SO NORMALLY THERE'S THAT MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT. WILL WE BE PREPARED AT LEAST WITH THE ONES THAT ARE ABOVE THE STATUTORY LIMIT THAT REQUIRE THE HEARING? WE CAN WE
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NORMALLY WOULD DO THAT IN AUGUST IS WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. BUT WE COULD DO THAT THIS WEEK.BUT WELL, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A COMPONENT FOR TALKING ABOUT WHICH FEES ARE BEING RAISED ABOVE THE STATUTORY IN OUR BUDGET SESSION, AND THEN WE REVIEW IT COMPREHENSIVELY AT THE BUDGET HEARING. SO IF THERE'S A IT'S DONE TWICE BUT SO LET'S WE'LL ADD THAT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SEE NEXT WEEK. WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE WHAT SOURCES WE'RE TAKING MONEY FROM. WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE. ANYTHING ELSE. AND THE ESTIMATE WHAT WE HAVE FOR ESTIMATED, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE FINAL NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY, WE WANT THE ESTIMATE. WELL, WE DO HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW I KNOW. YEAH. WORK OFF THAT. YES. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT MAGICAL SPREADSHEET THAT BROOKS HAS. IT STARTS AT THE TOP WITH THAT. BUT WE CAN REVIEW THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, LET'S START EARLY THOUGH. LET'S NOT START LATE AGAIN. OKAY. I'LL START AFTER I GET DONE. WELL THAT'S RIGHT OKAY. SO WE'LL START AT 1215 AND A LUNCH WILL BE AVAILABLE AT 1145 OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT AGENDA I'LL WORK WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND KIRK TO GET THAT PULLED TOGETHER, AS WELL AS BROOKS AND PAM AND
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MARGARET. MARGARET, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOUR NOTES TELL YOU THAT WE NEED TO KNOW? I THINK THAT'S COVERED IT ALL. ALL RIGHT, SO ONE MORE SWEEP AROUND THE ROOM. I DO I DO WANT TO JUST TALK REALLY QUICKLY. I KNOW THAT I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN THE REQUEST. BUT LIKE THE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING, WE THE PLAN WAS TO HIRE TWO EACH YEAR. SO IT'S LIKE THIS IS PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, SHORTFALL. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT IS NOT IN SOMEONE'S BUDGET. BUT IF I'M WRONG, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT ANSWER. AS FAR AS PRIORITIES GO, AS FAR AS PRIORITIES GO FROM THE 2526 PRIORITY PLANNING, IF I MEAN, I CAN JUST SEE, RIGHT, THAT THE CHIEF DIDN'T REQUEST TWO MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE I THINK HE, YOU KNOW, HE UNDERSTOOD THE COST, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I MEAN, WELL, LET'S JUST THERE ARE ONLY SIX DEPARTMENTS OR SIX PRIORITIES, I THINK, OR SEVEN, 6 OR 7. BUT EXPEDITE PERMITTING AND REVIEW PROCESS IMPROVEMENT. WAIT, THAT IS THE CONSULTANT. RIGHT. OKAY. NEXT ONE THAT HAD A MONEY PIECE WAS THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND WHAT WAS THE COMING YEAR. NOTHING FOR THIS COMING YEAR, OKAY. NOTHING FOR THIS COMING YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN THE FEASIBILITY PHASE I GUESS. OKAY. WE HAD LIKE 90,000 SET ASIDE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND SO WE JUST HAVEN'T SPENT IT.SO IT'S JUST CARRYOVER OR 60 WHATEVER IT WAS 90 WAS IN IMPACT. BE 60 IS WHAT WE HAPPEN TO HAVE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT USING IT YET BUT IT'S JUST IN THE IT'S JUST SITTING IN THE BUDGET AS A CARRYOVER. I'M NOT SURE IF WE'LL GET TO USE IT BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE OF HOW SLOW IT'S BEEN TO GET EQUIPMENT. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE THAT HAD I WANT I HAD A BUDGET IMPACT WAS DEVELOP A HEALTHY BUILDING STEWARDSHIP PLAN. AND PAM, LET'S SEE PRIOR YEARS WORK, CURRENT YEAR'S WORK. ANY THOUGHTS WE'RE PROPOSING TO HOLD STEADY FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR UNTIL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT A MODEL THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR LEASE SPACE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR APRIL 28TH BREAKOUT SUBCOMMITTEE THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS DAMON WAS IN, I THINK WE I CAN'T REMEMBER IF COUNCIL. I THINK COUNCILOR LARSON WAS IN THERE. AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION TO PURSUE OVER THE NEXT YEAR TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME LEASE SPACE FORMULA THAT WOULD HELP THAT PRESERVE THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE LINE ITEMS THERE. BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE NEEDING ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN THE 2627 BUDGET YEAR.
BUT WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AFTER WE LOOK AT SOME LEASE SPACE TYPE OF FORMULAS. OKAY. SO ONGOING THERE. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE WAS THE SUSTAINABILITY OF RESOURCES.
AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT I GUESS HAS TO DO WITH HOW WE ARE LANDSCAPING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THAT KIND OF AMUSING OUR, OUR RESOURCES THERE. AND THAT IS I GUESS, UNDERWAY. BUT I DO KNOW THE, THE MULTIYEAR, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF USING THIS YEAR'S AND OR ROLLING OVER. WE HAVE SOME WE ALL HAVE SOME FUNDING IN OUR BUDGETS, IN OUR OWNS THAT WE'VE GOT A LINE FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT.
SO IT'S AN O&M OKAY. BUT IT'S ONGOING. SO IT'S THERE OKAY. SORRY I'VE GOT TOO MANY STUPID PAPERCLIPS GOING ON THE NEXT ONE. BUDGET IMPACT I HOPE YOU'RE CHECKING THE MARGARET TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT SCREWING UP. WAS CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND SHE OUR THE HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT.
IS THAT BUILT IN TO YOUR BUDGET OR IS IT. NO. NO EXTRA SPENDING THIS YEAR WE ADDED WE TRANSITIONED AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER TO ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AND. THIS THIS CURRENT BUDGET YEAR. SO THAT WOULD CARRY FORWARD IN THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WITH
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BUDGETARY IMPACT WAS THE REGIONAL TRAINING CENTER. AND DWAYNE, YOU SAID THAT THIS YEAR OR THIS COMING YEAR WAS SCHEDULED FOR NON AND YOU'RE MOVING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY OR DESIGN WORK TO EUROPE. AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE CONVERSATION. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT NOT THEN NOT OR NO NO COMMUNITY POLICING. IT'S IT WASN'T INCLUDED BECAUSE. WELL THE CHIEF HAD SAID LAST WEEK THAT HE WAS PUTTING THAT ON HOLD BECAUSE OF KIND OF WHERE WE WERE WITH THE BUDGET SITUATION. SO THE PRIORITY SHEET, WHICH WAS COMPLETED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, DOES INCLUDE THAT SORT OF ANNUAL COST FOR EITHER THE COPS GRANT, WHICH WAS BEING CONSIDERED AT THE TIME, OR THE TWO OFFICERS PER YEAR FOR THE I THINK I UPDATED THIS AND PUT THAT OFF. YEAH. YOU DID. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT YEAH, YEAH. THEN ADDED ANOTHER YEAR AT THE END FOR THE TWO. AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO RERUN THE DATA BECAUSE THOSE REQUESTS ARE BASED OFF THE 2022 NUMBERS. RIGHT. IT'S ALREADY GROWN SINCE THEN. BUT IT PUTS US ON PATH TO CLOSE THE GAP. YEAH. SO LISA IF YOU'RE WANTING TO MAYBE PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR CONSIDERATION, IF THERE ARE EXTRA DOLLARS, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CHIEF TO KNOW. NOW TO RUN RUN THE NUMBERS VERSUS NO, BECAUSE IT'S ONGOING. AND I THINK WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THE ONE TIME MONIES THAT ARE COMING IN THIS BUDGET. I THINK OUR ONGOING EXPENSES ARE FILLING OUR BUDGET HOLE. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST ONE TIME MONEY THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THIS BUDGET. OKAY, OKAY. BUT I JUST I WANT TO JUST KIRK, IF YOU'RE STILL ON AND YOU WANT TO TALK, YOUR TIME IS GOING TO BE JUST ABOUT NOW AFTER JIM TALKS. SO DIAL IN AND WE'LL PUT YOU ON HOLD IF YOU DO WANT TO TALK, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIAL IN. SO WE'LL KNOW IF EMILY'S PHONE RINGS. BUT GO AHEAD, JIM, I JUST BUMPED INTO SOMETHING IN YOUR REPORT FROM POLICE, AND I THOUGHT IT SAID YOU WERE TRYING TO GET FIVE PEOPLE ON STAFF AT DISPATCH. IS THAT ACCOMPLISHED, OR IS THAT STILL TO BE DONE? OF OUR CURRENT STAFFING TO, FROM OR AN ADDITIONAL ADD, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL. SO YES, WE SO CHIEF NELSON, SHERIFF OLSEN, I WE HAVE TALKED WE KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO. SO IN FUTURE YEARS WE ANTICIPATE COMING AND ASKING FOR THAT. DISPATCH IS A REALLY DIFFICULT POSITION TO FILL. AND SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ADD PHDS THAT I CAN'T FILL IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO ANTICIPATE FILLING ALL OF OUR FTES THIS YEAR. AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING BUDGET NEXT YEAR, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A REQUEST FOR PHDS AND DISPATCH THAT'S COST SHARED THOUGH. SO IT HELPS THE GENERAL FUND QUITE A BIT. BUT NOT TO WORRY, FOR 2026 WE WON'T ASK FOR ANY NEW POSITIONS WITH DISPATCH. WE'RE FILLING THE ONES WE CURRENTLY HAVE. WELL GOOD. OKAY, I THINK WE ARE JUST ABOUT DONE I THINK. OKAY, SO LET ME JUST MAKE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS THEN AT THIS MEETING NEXT WEEK, WHICH WE'LL START AT 1215, WE WILL BE TAKING A COUNCIL PHOTO UP THERE AT THE DESK. SO IF ANYBODY IS EATING LUNCH UP THERE, WE'LL ASK YOU TO SCOOT OVER WHILE WE STAND UP THERE.IT'S AN IN-HOUSE PHOTO, SO WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN A PHOTOGRAPHER, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE AN UPDATED PHOTO WITH THIS GROUP. AND SO WE'LL HAVE STAFF TAKE THE PICTURE. AND THEY SAY THEY WANT TO DO IT AT 1135 JUST BEFORE LUNCH. I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT JUST A LITTLE BIT LATER, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE TO BE HERE TO GET A PICTURE TAKEN AND THEN WAIT A HALF HOUR IF THEY'RE ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE. SO LET'S DO THE PICTURE, YOU GUYS. LET'S JUST SAY 1145 THAT WAY. I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED, SORRY, 40 MINUTES. WE CAN DO IT IN 30. IS THAT OKAY? 1145 FOR THE PICTURE.
WE CAN DO IT AFTER. BUT I THINK WE'LL WE'LL LOOK LIKE THIS. THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS MAYBE DO THE PICTURE AT 1215, RIGHT WHEN THE MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO START. WOULD THAT BE BETTER IF THEY WEREN'T PLANNING TO COME TO LUNCH? IT WOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
JUST KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR INVITATIONS NEED UPDATED TO 1215. SO 12. IT'S IN OUR CALENDAR. OKAY. PLEASE GET UPDATED. ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S DO THE PICTURE THEN RIGHT BEFORE WE START THE MEETING. SO, SO 1215 1212 TEN OKAY I BELIEVE IT. AND THEN WHEN WE FINISH UP THERE WE'LL PUSH THE SPEAKER BUTTON AND TAKE OUR OKAY. SO THAT'S ONE THING. OTHER THINGS REAL QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS. LET'S SEE. TOMORROW WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC WORKS MEETING AT 6 P.M. AND IT'S A FREE LUNCH. OUR UTILITIES MEETING SLASH FOCUS REPORT BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE SOME GENERAL FUND ELEMENTS THAT HE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TO LET'S SEE ON I FORGOT TO GET MY CALENDAR BEFORE I FRIDAY IS THE BALL GAME. BASEBALL GAME. THAT'S NONPROFIT NONPROFIT NIGHT AT THE
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CHECKERS. IF YOU HAVE TICKETS. AND MAYBE WE ALL WANT TO SIT TOGETHER OR SOMETHING, IT MIGHT BE MORE FUN. MAYBE YOU HAVE PEOPLE TO SIT BY, BUT I DON'T. I WANT TO SIT BY ■YOU GUYS. SO IF ANYBODY IS GOING, LET ME KNOW AND MAYBE WE CAN COORDINATE. ANOTHER PIECE IS EARLIER IN THE DAY, THE GREAT RACE FOR EDUCATION, WHICH IS A FUNDRAISER FOR CEI, WILL BE HAPPENING. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THE START TIME. I'LL CHECK INTO IT AND LET YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WILL BE AT SNAKE RIVER LANDING AGAIN, I BELIEVE. I'M NOT SURE WHERE. LAST TIME THEY WERE AT THE WATERFRONT.OKAY, THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW. PROBABLY DID SAY THAT IF YOU GO TO THE BALL GAME, THE FOOD BASKET IS LIKE CEREAL BOXES. OH, THAT'S RIGHT, I THINK THEY'RE ASKING FOR. YEAH. DRIED CEREAL. BRING YOUR CHEERIOS OR GENERIC CHEERIOS OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU BUY. AND THEN LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK. I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON ON THURSDAY THAT I WANTED TO SHARE REALLY QUICK, REALLY QUICK. FIND OUT WHAT THE. NOPE, NOPE. IT'S JUST ALL FRIDAY, I GUESS. ALL RIGHT. SO. WE'RE ADJOURNED. HAVE A
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