Jul 08, 2025 City Council Special Meeting

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

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ALL RIGHT, WE HEARD THE POP. WE'RE LIVE. AND HOPEFULLY STREAMING RIGHT NOW. SO WELCOME TO THE MEETING. THE BUDGET MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO CALL OUR FIRST BUDGET TUESDAY SESSION TO ORDER AND INVITE OUR CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL. PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE, COUNCILOR BRADFORD. I KNOW HE HAD SIGNED IN VIRTUALLY. HE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TUNE IN CONSISTENTLY. OKAY. COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FRANCIS HERE.

[Mayor]

LEGISLATIVE BODIES HAVE THE PURSE STRINGS, AND A LOT GOES INTO THAT. BUT ANYWAY, THAT MAKES THIS A FORMAL COUNCIL MEETING. AND WE DO HAVE FIVE OF OUR SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT.

PRESENT. COUNCILOR RADFORD HAS A WORK OBLIGATION. AND SO HE'S SORT OF INTERMITTENTLY TUNING IN BETWEEN HIS WORK OBLIGATION AND HIS ABILITY TO BE IN HIS COMPUTER. AND THAT TO HIM, AS FAR AS ANNOUNCEMENTS GO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FORMAL RIGHT NOW. BY THE END OF THE DAY, WE MAY HAVE SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT I DO WANT TO TURN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME OVER TO MARGARET TO INTRODUCE A COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES, ONE NEW ONE NOT AS NEW, BUT MAYBE NEW TO SOME OF YOU. SO YES, I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY INTRODUCE KIMBERLY FELKER, WHO IS THE CITY'S NEW PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, AND THEN ALSO KAYLEE EGBERT, WHO HAS JUST JOINED THE CITY TEAM AS A COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THEM BOTH MOVE INTO THESE NEW POSITIONS AND GET OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND TELL OUR CITY'S STORY. SO WELCOME. GREAT. WELCOME, KAYLEE, TO THE TO THE WHOLE CITY FAMILY AND A PUBLIC CONGRATULATIONS TO KIMBERLY. I WILL TELL YOU THAT MARGARET SAID THEY'RE THEY'RE TASKED WITH TELLING THE STORY AND THEY CAN'T TELL THE STORY IF THEY DON'T KNOW THE STORY. RIGHT. AND SO BEING IN MEETINGS LIKE THIS, WHERE SOME WOULD SAY THE SAUSAGE IS MADE RIGHT, WHERE THE ACTUAL HARD DECISIONS ARE MADE AND DISCUSSIONS ARE HAD, IS REALLY INSTRUCTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO INFORMING YOU ABOUT NOT JUST THE OUTCOMES, BUT SOME OF THE PROCESSES AND THOUGHT PROCESSES THAT LED TO THOSE. I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND, AS I DO, THAT EVERYBODY HERE DOES GOOD WORK AND EVERYBODY HERE HAS THE RIGHT INTENTIONS, THE BEST INTENTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED DOLLARS, SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A HUGE PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE DOLLARS DO GO. ALL RIGHT. SO I AM SLATED TO MAKE JUST A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS OR REMARKS. AND I JUST WANTED TO, I GUESS, SHARE A COUPLE THOUGHTS. ONE IS THAT THIS YEAR I FEEL LIKE IS A YEAR WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF FIRSTS. THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR WE'VE HAD A MORE COMPLETE STRATEGIC PLAN. WE THIS KIND OF EMBODIES WHAT'S CONTAINED IN IT, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THIS UP ON THE WALL EVENTUALLY AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REFERENCE IT.

BUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS IS SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT GIVES US MORE DIRECTION AND MORE REFINED AND FOCUSED DIRECTION TO THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE. IT'S THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE HAVE ACCUMULATED PRIORITIES. WE'RE WORKING ON NOT JUST THIS YEAR'S PRIORITIES, BUT LAST YEAR'S AND KIND OF JUGGLING LOTS OF DIFFERENT GOALS IN THE AIR AT ONCE. IT'S ALSO THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'VE BEGUN A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF EACH DEPARTMENT'S PROGRAMMATIC OFFERINGS, AND WE'VE DONE THAT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. IT'S A PROCESS OR THING WE'VE DUBBED YEAR ROUND BUDGETING, WHERE WE DON'T JUST LOOK AT IT VERY SPECIFIC BUDGET MEETINGS, BUT YEAR ROUND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT, AND WE FOCUS ON ONE DEPARTMENT PER MONTH. IN DOING THAT. WE ALSO HAD THIS PAST NOVEMBER, AND I THINK IT WILL GET BETTER EACH NOVEMBER. BUT WHEN WE HAVE OUR QUARTERLY QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REVIEW, THE ONE IN NOVEMBER IS THE ONE WHERE WE GET THE CLOSEOUT FROM THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR. AND THIS PAST NOVEMBER, I THINK OUR TROOP CONVERSATION WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD A REAL EMPHASIS ON TRYING TO HAVE A TRUE CONVERSATION, AND AT THAT PROVIDES A SENSE OF CLOSURE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, EVEN THOUGH IN SOME WAYS THIS

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AND THEN THE AUDIT OFFICIALLY BEGINS WHEN THE AUDIT TEAM ARRIVES IN JANUARY, EVEN AS DEPARTMENTS ARE THINKING, WHAT DO I WANT FOR THE COMING YEAR? AND THEN THEY TALK TO COUNCIL AND THEN IT STARTS AGAIN. SO WE REALLY DO HAVE A YEAR ROUND BUDGET CYCLE. THERE'S ALWAYS A FOCUS ON MONEY. THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE FOCUS FOR ANY GIVEN YEAR? I GO THROUGH ALL THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT EVEN IF NO, NOT EVEN IF WHEN NEW LEADERSHIP COMES IN WITH FRESH EYES, FRESH IDEAS, I HOPE THAT SOME OF THE RHYTHM WILL STILL BE MEANINGFUL AND THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING. BUT CHANGE IS CONSTANT WITH THIS PROCESS, SO I HOPE THAT WHATEVER CHANGES WE'VE INTRODUCED, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT. I HOPE THAT. IT WILL JUST ALWAYS CONTINUE TO GET BETTER. SO ANYWAY, TODAY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME

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[Finance Team, Mayor's Office Council, Departments]

THERE'S ALSO ONE ON THE DIRECTOR DRIVE IN THE 2526 BUDGET FOLDER. AND THEN ALSO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE A HARD COPY, JUST LET ME KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN THAT. THE MAYOR MENTIONED EARLIER WE'RE GOING PAPERLESS ON A LOT OF THINGS. BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DRAFTS, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOMETHING, WE CAN CERTAINLY PRINT IT OUT FOR YOU.

WE DO HAVE AN OLD COPIER IN OUR FINANCE DIVISION. AND SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF RUB ITS BELLY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE BECAUSE THEN IT GETS JAMMED. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE ONE TO YOU THAT'S FOUND. AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN A LAPTOP OR A DESKTOP. LAST YEAR I THINK WE HAD A DESKTOP IN THE CHIEF OF STAFF CONFERENCE ROOM. SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THAT, PLEASE LET US KNOW. IF YOU COULD LET MARGARET OR CHIEF OF STAFF KNOW. WE'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITH IT TO GET THAT OVER TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE. AND THEN FINALLY, BEFORE WE START THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, MAYOR HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR FINANCE TEAM. AND TO BE REALLY HONEST, THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH YEAR ROUND. AND IT'S NOT BUDGET, IT'S AUDIT. AND WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE DEDICATED NOT ONLY TO PUBLIC ACCOUNTING, BUT ALSO TO HELPING THE CITY DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN DO TO SUPPORT THEIR DEPARTMENTS.

SO WE WANT TO THANK OUR 11 DEPARTMENTS WORKING WITH OUR ACCOUNTING AND FINANCE TEAM.

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SO JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK THE TEAM. I KNOW SEVERAL OF THE TEAM MEMBERS WORKED OVER THE 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY, BUT THEY ALSO KNOW THAT THE ACCOUNTING ROLE THAT THEY SERVE SOMETIMES DOES REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA HOURS, BUT THEY DID REALLY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION FOR YOU TODAY. AND ALL THE SUPPORT DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT WILL PROVIDE A HIGHLIGHT OF AND I THINK, OH, AND FINALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO DO IN OUR 11 DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS WERE VERY KIND WITH US AS THE GENTLE REMINDER OF WHEN THEY WORK ON THEIR BUDGETS, TRYING TO KEEP THE FOCUS OF THE COUNCIL ASPIRATIONS IN MIND. AND THEN ALSO LAST YEAR, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, WE HAD PRIORITIES. AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO ARTICULATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ANY OF THOSE COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT MAY EXTEND INTO THE 2526 BUDGET. SO WE'LL HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT AS WE AS WE GO FORWARD WITH A DIFFERENT BUDGET TUESDAYS. BUT WE REALLY WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY TALKED A LOT ABOUT AMONGST OUR COLLEAGUES HERE IS REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON THOSE ASPIRATIONS. SO WE PRODUCED WITH YOU A BUDGET THAT IS IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'VE WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND OVER THE MIC, SO TO SPEAK, TO BROOKS, OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE MANAGER. AS I MENTIONED, SHE HAS BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. SHE HAS BEEN BASICALLY THE ONE NEEDING ALL THE JOE FOR OUR SOURDOUGH LOAF THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TODAY. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO YOU, BROOKS. OH PARDON ME. IT'S MARK FIRST AND. PRESENTATION. OKAY. YES. GREAT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS LOVE THIS TIME OF YEAR. IT'S THE BEST TIME OF YEAR TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE. IN ORDER TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND OUR FUTURE PLANS. YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THE PAST A LITTLE BIT AND WHERE WE ARE. AND SO. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WHERE WE ARE THIS YEAR OR THE YEAR 2025. AND THEN BROOKS IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR BUDGET GOING INTO THE BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS. AND SO THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN YOU WOULD SEE ON A QUARTERLY FINANCE REPORT, EXCEPT THAT IT'S NOT BY THE QUARTER. WE'RE DOING IT AS OF MAY. MAY IS OUR OUR LAST CLOSED PERIOD USUALLY TAKES US ABOUT 30 DAYS TO CLOSE A PERIOD 2020 TO 30 DAYS TO CLOSE A PERIOD. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NOW CLOSING JUNE. AND SO YOU'LL HAVE A QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT ON JUNE IN THE COMING AND THE COMING MONTH. AND SO THIS IS AS OF MAY. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH KIND OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO KIND OF GO OVER SOME KEY INDICATORS.

SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 THROUGH THE MONTH OF MAY, WE HAVE 184 MILLION OF OUR BUDGET HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. THAT IS 59%. TYPICALLY, IF YOU WERE TO ANNUALIZE WHERE WE SHOULD BE RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 67%. AND SO YOU IT APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE BIT LOW. BUT THAT'S JUST IF WE WERE ANALYZING BY MONTH, THE CITY IS NOT EQUAL FOR EACH MONTH. AND SO WE'RE PRETTY ON TRACK TO OUR NEXT LARGE TAX DEPOSIT WOULD BE IN THE MONTH OF JULY. AND THEN WE WILL BE ABOVE THAT 75% AT THE END OF JUNE. SO FOR THIS YEAR, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ON TARGET WHERE WE EXPECT TO BE CITY AS A WHOLE. SOME THINGS TO POINT OUT. SINCE

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ENTERPRISE COST. COST IS SLIGHTLY ABOVE AS FAR AS THE REVENUES. SO THAT'S THAT. THAT'S IN A GOOD SPOT. THINGS TO BE. TO BE CONSIDER IS THIS INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE. IS SEEMS WELL A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH SOME BONDING TIMING OF BONDING AS WELL AS SOME TIMING ON GRANTS. BUT OUR OPERATIONAL REOCCURRING INTERGOVERNMENTAL SEEMS TO BE ON TARGET. AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S ONE CATEGORY WE CAN SPLIT INTO CATEGORIES OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE. BECAUSE FOR GASB STANDARDS, THEY THEY GROUP THEM ALL TOGETHER AS GASB IS THE ACCOUNTING BOARD OF GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING BOARD. THEY SAY ALL GOVERNMENTAL GOES TOGETHER, BUT ALL GOVERNMENTAL REVENUE IS NOT THE SAME. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE ONE TIME, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE CONTINGENT AND SOME THAT ARE OPERATIONAL. AND SO THIS IS AN AREA WE COULD PROBABLY IMPROVE ON TO GIVE SOME CLARITY OF WHY, THE NUANCES OF WHY SOME YEARS ARE HIGH AND WHY SOME YEARS ARE LOW. ANOTHER LOW ONE YOU WOULD SEE IS CONTRIBUTIONS. AND THESE AGAIN IS ANOTHER ESTIMATE CONSERVATIVE BASED ON HISTORICAL TRENDS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN GO OUT AND SAY, OKAY, WHO'S GOING TO GIVE US MONEY THIS YEAR? THAT USUALLY IS SPONTANEOUS. AND SO WE JUST USE AN AVERAGE OVER MULTIPLE YEARS TO KIND OF GIVE AN ESTIMATE ON CONTRIBUTIONS.

AND THEN YOUR OTHER FINANCING SOURCES DOWN HERE. SO THIS IS WHERE THE ENTERPRISE BOND COMES IN. THIS IS THE POWER PEAKING PLAN DRAWDOWNS. SO WHAT THAT IS. ANY QUESTIONS ON CITYWIDE REVENUE. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE. TO JUST OR I MEAN ADVISABLE OR TELL ME WHY IT'S NOT ADVISABLE.

THIS IS WHAT JUST HAVE CONTRIBUTIONS BE ZERO SO THAT EVERY GIFT IS A SURPRISE. SOME ARE SOME ARE KNOWN. AND SO WE TRY TO DO THE KNOWN ONES. I MEAN, WE TRY TO TREAT IT LIKE GRANTS. IF WE KNOW IT'S COMING, IT'S REASONABLE AND ESTIMABLE. AND WE LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL, WE'LL PUT THAT IN THERE LIKE THE FRONTIER CENTER. AND THE OTHER REASON IS, IS WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE BUILT IN IF WE KNOW IT'S A POSSIBILITY. THAT WAY WE HAVE IT IN AS PART OF OUR CAPACITY BUDGET, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE IT INCLUDED IN THE CAPACITY, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SPEND IT OPENING THE BUDGET DEPARTMENTS WHO PUT DOWN CONTRIBUTIONS. WE ASK THEM TO TIE IT TO AN EXPENDITURE ACCOUNT, LIKE WHAT IS IT OFFSETTING? OKAY, CITYWIDE EXPENSES. SO USING THE 67% AS KIND OF THE MEDIAN POINT OF WHAT WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO OPPOSE ANNUALIZED WAGES IS ONE OF THOSE THAT FITS CLOSELY TO THAT.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE DO 26 PAY PERIODS INSTEAD OF 24. SO AT SOME TIME DURING THE YEAR, THOSE TWO EXTRA PAY PERIODS DO HAVE AN INFLUENCE. AT THIS POINT IT DOES NOT. AND SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BELOW WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE ON WAGES, PARTLY TO DO WITH TURNOVER. EVEN IF YOU INDICATE THE SEASONALITY OF THINGS OR JUST SLIGHTLY LOWER. BUT WE EXPECT THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY PICK UP AND BE OFFSET BY SEASONAL. WE SEE THAT WHEN THERE IS. A THE NUMBER OF VACANCIES IS SOMEWHAT CONNECTED TO THE NUMBER OF SEASONALS. AND SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS A 1 TO 1 RELATIONSHIP.

BUT THERE IS A CONTEXTUAL ASSOCIATION THERE. AND THEN WITHIN THAT WE ALSO HAVE OUR BENEFITS, WHICH IS FOR THE MOST CASE A PERCENTAGE OF WAGES. ONE THING THAT WE HAVE ON HERE IS OUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSE. THIS. RIGHT HERE. WHY IS IT. IT SEEMS A LITTLE ON THE LOW SIDE. THAT'S

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AND SO IF YOU WERE TO REMOVE THE ERP PROJECT OUT OF THAT, IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO 61%, WHICH WHICH FOLLOWS THE GENERAL CONSUMPTION OF THE GENERAL FUND TRENDS. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON EXPENSES? I GO BACK AND ASK A QUESTION ON ON THE REVENUES. ABSOLUTELY. ON THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL, YOU SAID THAT IT WAS A TIMING ISSUE PRIMARILY IN BONDS AND GRANTS. SO I MIGHT HAVE TAKEN THAT, THAT THE NUMBERS ARE STILL PRETTY SOUND AS FAR AS THE TOTAL FOR THE YEAR. IT'S JUST THAT THEY'RE NOT LINEAR IN THE WAY THEY COME IN. AS FAR AS THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, INTERGOVERNMENTAL. YES. CAPITAL. THE CAPITAL REVENUE TIED TO CAPITAL PROJECTS. IT SOUNDED THE FACT THAT WE'LL DRAW THEM DOWN WHEN WE EXPEND THEM, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE. WE FORECASTED THAT IT WOULD BE THIS YEAR. THE GOOD ONE WOULD BE THE AIRPORT. AIRPORT GETS FEDERAL FUNDS TO BUILD THINGS. WELL, THE THEIR EXPECTATION IS TO BUILD THOSE DURING THE YEAR, BUT THEY DON'T ALWAYS COME TO FRUITION. BUT WHEN THAT DOES HAPPEN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DRAW DOWN FUNDS TO COVER THOSE COSTS. THANKS. PART OF THAT IS WHEN WE ESTIMATE GRANTS AND THE KNOWN GRANTS FOR CAPITAL, WE ARE PREDICTING THOSE 18 MONTHS IN AHEAD OF TIME. AND SO WE'RE BUDGETING NOW FOR NEXT YEAR. WELL, THINGS THERE'S A LOT OF TIME IN BETWEEN THAT THAT THAT CHANGES WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. SO RIGHT NOW WE BUDGET FOR CAPACITY. OKAY. ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE. ONLY ONE OTHER NOTATION HERE. SO WE'VE RECEIVED 184 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT I SAID EARLIER. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COLLECTED. THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECTED 161. SO THERE'S ABOUT $23 MILLION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE BROUGHT IN VERSUS WHAT WE SPENT. ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE. WE BROUGHT IN 76 MILLION OR 46 MILLION OF THE 72 MILLION THAT WE ARE FORECASTING. THIS.

ALL THESE ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT. YOU CAN SEE, FOR THE MOST PART, OUTSIDE OF THE OF THE GOVERNMENT CHARGE FOR SERVICES, WE'RE IN THE PERCENTAGE RANGE THAT WE WOULD EXPECT. TIMING WITH THE WITH THE JULY TAX PAYMENT WILL COME IN THIS NEXT MONTH OR THIS MONTH, SORRY. AND THEN INTERNATIONAL REVENUE. THIS IS MORE OPERATIONAL. WE'RE OTHER FUNDS. THERE'S MORE CAPITAL.

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PART OF THAT ALSO INCLUDES STARTING STARTING THE ERP PROJECT THAT HITS OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, WHICH HASN'T BEEN DRAWN BACK FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS YET. WE'LL DO THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. CAPITAL IS ON TARGET. THOSE ARE COMING IN THE SUMMER MONTHS. MURPH. EXPENSE.

THIS IS THE ITEMS THAT WE BUY WITH OUR FUNDS. THOSE TYPICALLY HAPPEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WHEN THE DEPARTMENT IS AUTHORIZED TO BUY MURPH THINGS. THEY USUALLY DO IT AS SOON AS THE YEAR STARTS. IT'S NOT USUALLY LADDERED THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS WHERE THE ALLOCATION,

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OF THE ERP REALLOCATION OF THE TRANSFER BACK THAT WE DO WITH THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. WHEN WE'LL DO THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE TIMING OF THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT THAT WILL GO TO THE IMPACT BECOMES. BUT IT'S STILL A REASON THAT WE ARE WATCHING CERTAIN THINGS. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY WITHIN OUR REVENUE. BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE WE PASS A BUDGET, UNLESS WE DICTATE SPECIFICALLY WHY WE WANT TO BE OVER REVENUE, WE TRY TO MATCH A REVENUE SO THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING OUR RESERVE. AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT WE BUDGETED FOR IN EXCESS OF OUR REVENUES. ONE WAS THE ERP PROJECT, WHICH WILL END UP WITH DOING A LOAN ON, AND THEN WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS A CONTRIBUTION TO THE FRONTIER CENTER WAS COMING OUT OF THOSE REFUNDS. WE HAD A ABOUT 4.5 MILLION INCHES RESERVES CAPITAL, WHICH WE'RE PULLING THOSE TWO FUNDS FROM. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE BUDGET, ON THE BUDGET SIDE, WHERE WE BUDGETED HERE, 76 MILLION IS THE BUDGET. AND ON THE ON THE REVENUE SIDE, IT'S 73 MILLION. THAT $3 MILLION DIFFERENCE HAS TO DO WITH THAT OVERAGE ON CAPITAL. SO LET'S DO CAPITAL ITEMS. ANY QUESTIONS ON GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC INDICATORS. SO I GAVE YOU A TABLE. WE DECIDED NOT TO GO THROUGH A SERIES OF GRAPHS JUST BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL. JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW. THE GO. IN SUMMARY, THE ECONOMY IS SLIGHTLY IMPROVING. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE ONE ITEM THAT'S NOT LISTED ON HERE THAT WOULD HAVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT IS TARIFFS. SO THE REASON PART OF THE REASON WHY I MEAN, IF YOU READ THE NEWS, IF YOU'RE IN THE FINANCES, YOU'LL SEE THAT CHAIRMAN POWELL AND THE FED CHAIR HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK BY THE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS BECAUSE THEY WANT THE THAT INTEREST RATE TO COME DOWN.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY'RE HOLDING THAT INTEREST RATE IS TO SEE THE EFFECT OF ON TARIFFS.

AND SO THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING BATTLE FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR. THEY ARE IT IS SPLIT IN THE MIDDLE. THERE IS A THERE'S HALF THE PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO TWO RATE CUTS THIS YEAR, DROPPING THE INTEREST RATE FROM 4.5% DOWN TO 4% OR LOWER 3.75. AND THERE'S HALF THAT SAY WE SHOULD LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY ARE. AND SO YOU CAN PICK YOUR YOUR PARTY TO DECIDE WHICH IS WHICH. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S KIND OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN. BUT THE OTHER INDICATORS ARE DOING WELL. MAY 2.4% INFLATION. IT'S SLIGHTLY UP FROM 2.1. AND IN MARCH AND APRIL OR APRIL, SO WENT FROM 2.4 TO 2.1 BACK TO 2.4. AGAIN. UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT 4.2%, BUT THEY ARE. THE JUNE NUMBERS JUST RECENTLY CAME OUT, AND I SAW THOSE THIS MORNING. THE UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN 4.1 4.1%. ONE THING THAT WE ARE WATCHING IS THE GDP. IT HAD A NEGATIVE.

GDP IN THE IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2025. THE THEORY BEHIND THAT IS THAT PEOPLE WERE ADVANCED BUYING BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE TARIFFS WERE COMING. AND SO THAT'S WHY THE GDP DROPPED. THE QUESTION IS IF PEOPLE'S THEORY WAS RIGHT, WE'LL KNOW THAT YOU'RE HERE IN A COUPLE IN A

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OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT YEAR'S ONE TIME REQUESTS AND THE STATUS OF THOSE. WE HAD AN UPDATE AT THE LAST QUARTERLY COUNCIL MEETING OR QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT.

SO THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT HAS CHANGED ON THOSE. IT WAS ABOUT 750,000 IN REQUESTS THAT WERE FUNDED BY THE GROWTH AND ANNEXATION MONEY LAST YEAR PRIMARILY. SO THE PARKING LOT EXPANSION OR PARKING LOTS AT STATION FOUR, WORK WAS CONTRACTED IN MAY. SO THAT CAME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO THAT'S UNDERWAY. THE NEW FIRE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS COMPLETED IN FEBRUARY. SO THAT ONE HAS BEEN SPENT. AND IT CAME IN UNDER WHAT WAS PROJECTED. THE FACILITY REPAIR MAINTENANCES AT MUNICIPAL SERVICES WAS JUST KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER FOR THINGS THAT MIGHT COME UP, AND NOTHING HAS BEEN NEEDED YET. THE FISCAL YEAR IS NOT OVER YET, SO WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OF THAT. PARKS AND RECREATION HAD SOME VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. TWO OF THOSE HAVE BEEN RECEIVED ALREADY THIS YEAR, AND THEN ONE IS OUT FOR QUOTES. THAT'S THE SIDE BY SIDE HORTICULTURE. THEN POLICE HAD SOME FINGERPRINTING SOFTWARE. THEY PURCHASED THAT BACK IN FEBRUARY. AND THEN PARKS AND REC HAD TWO FURNACES AT THE PINE CREST CLUBHOUSE WAS COMPLETED LAST FALL. THE AQUATIC CENTER BOILER REPLACEMENT WENT OUT FOR BID AND WE GOT NO BIDS. RIGHT.

OKAY, SO PAM HAS AN UPDATE ON THAT ONE. WE DID A WALK THROUGH WITH A VENDOR. WE HAVE A QUOTE AND IT IS WITHIN BUDGET, AND WE EXPECT TO BRING THAT IN LATER THIS MONTH FOR COUNCIL AWARD.

BUT WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY BIDS WHEN WE WENT OUT. SO WE DID GET THE AUTHORIZATION TO BUY THE MARKET. SO YOU SHOULD BE SEEING THAT AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. THANK YOU. GOING TO BE GAS OR GAS OKAY. THE NETTING AND NEW POLES FOR THE DRIVING RANGE AT SAND CREEK WAS COMPLETED IN APRIL. AND THEN THE SHINGLES FOR THE ROOF AT THE SAGE LAKES GOLF SHOP AND CAFE GOT COMPLETED LAST FALL. SO WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THE BOILER TO GO INTO NEXT YEAR JUST IN CASE. IT'S NOT COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH. AND THEN I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF LITTLE PIECES ARE IF THEY DON'T FINISH NEXT YEAR, THEY'LL ROLL INTO NEXT YEAR, AND THEN THE FUNDING FOR THAT 750,000 IS NOT BEING REPURPOSED FOR ONE TIME REQUESTS. IT'S ROLLING INTO JUST OUR REGULAR BUDGET OPERATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STATUS OF THOSE ONE TIME REQUESTS? SAY THAT I'M TRYING TO. I WAS LISTENING TO YOU SAID IT'S GONNA IT'S NOT ROLLING INTO OPERATIONS NEXT YEAR. IT'S REMAINING. WE'VE GOT IT SET ASIDE. WE'VE GOT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY THE 750. SO THIS INTO NOT INTO ONE TIME BUT JUST INTO GENERAL OPERATIONS AT THE TOP LINE OF THE BUDGET. CORRECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND MARK MENTIONED I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEMS WE'RE KIND OF KEEPING AN EYE ON OF THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. ONE THING IS OUR ZOO AND FUNLAND. WE'VE JUST STARTED OPEN OR HAVE THE SEASON OPENING IN MAY. THEY'RE AT ABOUT 29% OF THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR, SO WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON IT THROUGH JULY TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET TO HALF THEIR BUDGET, MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE MEETING THEIR TARGETS. THEY'RE UP ABOUT 17 OR ABOUT 7% FROM LAST YEAR WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR. SO THAT DOESN'T QUITE GET US TO THE REVENUE TARGETS, BUT WE'RE HOPING WE SEE GOOD ACTIVITY. BUT WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT ONE. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ALL OF OUR PERMIT FEE REVENUES, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE TO KEEP AN EYE ON.

THOSE HAVE KIND OF STAGNATED. SO WE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY EARLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN OVER THE SUMMER IT HAS SEEMINGLY SLOWED A BIT. SO WE'RE JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT AS WELL.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL STILL HIT OUR PROJECTED REVENUE TARGET, BUT IF WE COME IN UNDER, THEN WE WANT TO ADJUST OUR CURRENT YEAR AS WELL. OR I MEAN OUR NEXT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET AS WELL.

PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL IS ANOTHER WORD WE'RE JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON OVERTIME. AND THEN JUST ALL THE PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING FOR POSITIONS. WE HAVE THE NEW ARP POSITIONS IN FIRE.

SO JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON THOSE, MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT CAPACITY, THE BUDGET FOR THOSE

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BUT BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THERE HAD TO BE SOME PRETTY DIFFICULT CHOICES MADE BY SOME OF OUR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS, AND IT WAS REALLY A COLLEGIATE TYPE OF SITUATION. IT'S NEVER A GOOD WHEN YOU GET A CALL FROM OUR FINANCE TEAM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED YOU TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR BUDGET. SO JUST REALLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THANK THE ACCOUNTANTS FOR WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO JUST TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE SOME DEPARTMENTS ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE THAT MAKES SOME REALLY DIFFICULT CHOICES AND REPRIORITIZING THINGS THAT THEY HAD HAD PLANNED FOR, AND JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH OUR ACCOUNTING TEAM, OUR FINANCE TEAM ON ON THE BUDGET. SO WE'RE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY WHAT BROOKS CALLS A BUDGET BALANCE, A BALANCED BUDGET, WHICH IS REALLY WAS A LOT OF WORK ON HER TEAM OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK OUR COLLEAGUES FOR WORKING WITH US. I WOULD ADD TO THAT SIMPLY THAT THE WE HAVE NOT THE FINANCE TEAM. AND I AM MARGARET. WE DON'T WE HAVE NOT APPLIED A PHILOSOPHY OF, OH, WE'RE SHORT. WHAT'S THE FAIREST

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BUT WE DON'T PUSH IT BECAUSE WE DO THE HARDER WORK, WHICH IS DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, CONVERSATION BY CONVERSATION. WE ARRIVE AT WHAT CAN BE MASSAGED. HOW CAN A PROGRAM CHANGE? HOW MUCH CAN YOU DEFER UNTIL NEXT YEAR. AND WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS INSTEAD BECAUSE JUST A STRAIGHT CUT, YOU COULD BE CUTTING OFF HEADS AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU'RE CUTTING, YOU KNOW, TALL GRASS. YOU JUST NEVER KNOW. EXACTLY. AND I MIXED METAPHORS WEIRDLY IN THAT STATEMENT. BUT MY POINT IS, WE HAVEN'T DONE A STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT ACROSS CUT. AND I THINK IT'S NAIVE TO THINK THAT THAT'S AN EASY, A FAIR WAY TO DO THINGS, BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT DOESN'T WORK. AND I DO WANT TO THANK ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT I WORK WITH. IT WAS NOT FUN CALLS TO MAKE, AND I HAD TO START IT WITH, THIS IS NOT GREAT NEWS. SO THEY ALL CAME TO THE TABLE LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY, TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO MAKE THOSE REDUCTIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE. OKAY. SO WE'LL TALK FIRST ABOUT OUR PROPERTY TAXES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR KICKOFF AND MEETINGS THAT HAVE FOLLOWED, BUT WANTED TO JUST REITERATE THE ASSUMPTIONS. WE'RE GOING INTO THIS BUDGET WITH THE 3% ALLOWABLE INCREASE. IT'S ABOUT A MILLION FOR IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. ALSO, THE GROWTH AND ANNEXATION EXPECTED OF ABOUT 662,000. THAT'S A KNOWN NUMBER THAT WE DO NOT KNOW YET. WE'RE STILL EXPECTING DETAIL FROM THE COUNTY LATER THIS MONTH, AND THEN WE'RE ASSUMING AN INCREASE OR THE USING OF 1% FOR OPERATIONS. THAT'S ABOUT 504,000. AND THEN THERE'S 3% AVAILABLE AS ONE TIME FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. THAT WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION. THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. IT WOULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION IF WE WANT TO USE THAT FOR THOSE ONE TIME CAPITAL REQUESTS. SO I WILL SAY WHEN THIS MAY COME AS A SURPRISE TO SOME, AND NOT AT ALL TO OTHERS, BUT FOREGONE IS NOT NECESSARILY A GIVEN. THIS IS ALWAYS A POLITICAL QUESTION, AND WE IN THE CITY ARE SOMETIMES SENSITIVE TO STATE LEGISLATIVE POLITICS. WE'RE SENSITIVE TO ELECTORAL POLITICS LIKE ANY ANY PLACE. AND UNTIL SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE HAD AND UNTIL THINGS ARE HASHED OUT, I KNOW THAT SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE OF A MIND TO WORK TO FIND MONEY BEFORE YOU TAKE HERBACK. ON THE OTHER HAND, LOGICALLY IT MAKES SENSE TO TAKE FOREGONE, AND I HOPE THAT THE LEGISLATURE AND LEGISLATORS WHO CARE ABOUT REALITY AND NOT JUST THE PLATITUDE OF DON'T RAISE TAXES, I HOPE THEY WOULD DO, IS TAKE A SINCERE LOOK AT HOW WE BUDGET AND COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR US TO TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT OUR BASE HAS TO GROW TO MAKE UP FOR PREVIOUS YEARS, YADDA YADDA YADDA. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF EXPLAINING THERE, BUT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CROSSTALK ON THAT ONE BEFORE BEFORE A FINAL DECISION IS MADE.

AND THAT'S FAIR. IF WE CAN FILL OUR HOLE WITH NON FOREGONE MONEY, WE MAY ATTRACT. YES, NOT FOREGONE WOULD REQUIRE THE COUNCIL ACTION TO END RESOLUTION. I PROBABLY MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT WE CAN'T DO BOTH OF THOSE. YOU CAN'T TAKE THE 1% AND THE 3% IN ONE YEAR.

YOU CAN TAKE THE 3%. THAT'S WHAT YOU TOOK, RIGHT? YOU CAN. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO OVER THE 8% CAP, YOU COULD TAKE BOTH IN ONE YEAR. YEAH. THE DIFFERENCES IS THE 1% FOREGONE IS ONGOING AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK. WE'RE THE 3% IS FOR ONE TIME CAPITAL PROJECTS. ONCE THE CAPITAL PROJECTS COMPLETE, THE MONEY GOES AWAY. BUT AS LONG AS WE DON'T GO OVER THE 8% CAP, WE COULD, WE COULD. WE COULD DO BOTH. I'M SORRY. CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE 8% CAP? IS THAT DOLLARS JUST PRIOR YEAR TO BUDGET YEAR? SO IT INCLUDES ANY FUNDS FROM ANNEXATIONS AND ALL THAT. SO ALL THAT GOES INTO THAT POT OF 8%. WE'VE NEVER REALLY PRACTICED THE MATH ON THIS ONE.

IT'S TO GET TO THE 8%. IT'S LAST YEAR'S LEVY TIMES 8%. THAT'S YOUR MAX. AND SO WHAT GOES INTO THE MAKING OF THAT IS YOUR 3% STATUTORILY 1% FOREGONE AND YOUR GROSS ANNEXATION. THERE'S ONLY BEEN A HANDFUL OF TIMES IN THE LAST 30 YEARS WHERE WE'VE HIT 8%. SO THE 3% CAPITAL PROJECTS

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WELL ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE REALLY CLOSE TO 8% IF WE IF WE TAKE 3% STATUTORY, 3% CAPITAL, 1% FOREGONE, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE THE FULL GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. OKAY. YOU CAN TAKE LESS THAN 3% THOUGH. YOU CAN. YES. SO YEAH, ON THE DETAILS ON THE PROPERTY TAXES, THE THINGS INCLUDED ARE THE 3% ALLOWABLE INCREASE, THE GROWTH IN ANNEXATION AND THE 1% FOREGONE.

WE DID NOT INCLUDE ONE TIME FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE. IS THERE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT PERCENTAGE WE'RE AT WITH THOSE THREE? IT'S A LITTLE OVER SEVEN. OKAY. SO WE'RE ALREADY OKAY. 1% IS ABOUT HALF A MILLION OKAY. OKAY. CONTINUING ON OUR REVENUE EXPECTATIONS, THIS IS UPDATED NUMBERS FROM WHEN WE DID OUR KICKOFF. SO GENERAL FUND STATE SHARED REVENUES ARE DOWN AN ESTIMATED 168,000 FROM THE CURRENT YEAR. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS OF AN AMOUNT AS WE WERE PREDICTED, ABOUT 400,000. WE WENT A LITTLE LESS CONSERVATIVE THAN OUR INITIAL ESTIMATIONS, JUST BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN COMING IN. SO WE BELIEVE WE'LL BE ON SOLID FOOTING TO ESTIMATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN WE WERE ORIGINALLY PROJECTING. THE STREET SHARED REVENUE IS UP ABOUT 73,000 FROM THE CURRENT YEAR PROJECTIONS. THE OTHER BIG CHANGE IS ARE SWITCHING. WE'RE CHANGING TO DIRECTLY CHARGING FOR SERVICES TO OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. THOSE ARE THE ITEMS, LIKE WASTEWATER, WILL BE PAYING DIRECTLY FOR. JUST STORMWATER. YES. THANK YOU. STORMWATER THAT PREVIOUSLY HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY STREETS OR BY PARKS. SANITATION IS TAKING ON THE STREETS SWEEPING FUNCTION, AND THEN POWER IS TAKING ON TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND STREET LIGHTS. THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, AS WELL AS THE CAPITAL SIDE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS, AS WELL AS PAYING DIRECTLY TO PARKS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THAT RIVER CORRIDOR. THINGS WITHIN THE RECREATION PLAN FOR POWER, SO THAT THAT PIECE OF IT IS ABOUT 3.1 MILLION. SO THAT'S A CHANGE AND A SHIFT IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE ALLOCATING THOSE COSTS.

SO, SO THE TIMING OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES, IF YOU REMEMBER EVERY MAY WE GET WHAT THEY CALL THE BLUE BOOK FROM AIC. AND THERE'S TABLES IN THERE THAT GIVE US THE ESTIMATES THAT WE USE TO PREPARE OUR BUDGET. THE FIRST DRAFT THAT CAME OUT FROM ASC HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEMS ON SOME NUMBERS. IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY CARRIED OVER FROM LAST YEAR. SO WE ACTUALLY GOT A NEW BLUE BOOK POSTED. IT IS IN YOUR COUNCIL DRIVE IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

BUT THAT'S THERE'S TABLES IN THAT THAT WE USE TO HELP DEVELOP OUR REVENUE SIDE. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMING OF WHY WE GET SOMETHING. AFTER WE HAD OUR WORKSHOP IN APRIL. CAN YOU TELL ME MAYBE PAM AND MARK EVEN MORE SO THAN BROOKS, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONGER. DOES THE AIC BLUE BOOK DO THOSE NUMBERS BEAR OUT MOST OF THE TIME, OR ARE THEY WILDLY? DO THEY FLUCTUATE WILDLY FROM WHAT WE'RE GIVEN? BECAUSE THE FACT THAT SOME THAT THERE WERE SOME ERRORS THIS YEAR COULD BE A JUST SIMPLE STAFF KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NEW STAFF GETTING MESSED UP ON JUST THE MECHANICS OF POSTING SOMETHING. BUT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY CRUNCH NUMBERS OR HOW THEY AGGREGATE THE NUMBERS, HAS THAT BEEN QUALITY WORK OVER THE YEARS? IT IS AFFECTED BY THE ECONOMIC CLIMATE. AND SO. SOME YEARS THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE. SOME YEARS THEY'VE BEEN WAY OFF LEADING INTO BEFORE COVID, WE WERE IN AN ECONOMIC BOOM. THE NUMBERS WERE LOW. WE WERE GETTING MORE THAN THEY WERE THAT WERE STATED POST COVID. THEY WERE HIGH. WE WERE GETTING LESS. IN FACT, ONE YEAR WE CUT OUR BUDGET BASED ON JUST $1 MILLION THAT THEY THAT THEY HAD OVERESTIMATED ON SALES TAX. AND SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO PREDICTING THOSE IN THE FUTURE BEFORE. AND SO WHAT WE WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE THIS CURRENT YEAR BLUE BOOK THAT WE GET EVERYTHING BLUE BOOK, THE BUDGET BOOK FROM ASC AND COMPARE IT TO LAST YEAR. AND SO WE'LL SAY, OKAY, LAST YEAR THEY BUDGETED I'D SAY, YOU KNOW 7 MILLION FOR SALES TAX. BUT THIS YEAR IN THEIR NEW BOOK THEY'RE ONLY BUDGETING 6.5. WE TAKE NOTICE OF THOSE THINGS SO THAT WE CAN ADJUST. WE TAKE THAT VARIANCE AND APPLY IT TO THE CURRENT YEAR. SO WE DISCOUNT IT. SO WE FOLLOW THE TREND OF WHAT'S

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OKAY. WANTED TO TALK A BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO SOME OF OUR FEES THAT WILL BE PROPOSED FOR OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. WATER SERVICE CONNECTIONS ARE EXPECTING TO RAISE FEES BY 3%. MONTHLY SERVICE FEES GOING UP 5%. WASTEWATER, THE MAIN CONNECTION FEE GOING UP 5%, AND THEN SANITATION. MONTHLY FEES WENT UP 5%. FOR OUR POWER. IT'S GOT, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE, VARYING RANGES OF 2 TO 10%, THINGS FOR THEIR BASE CHARGES VERSUS THEIR DEMAND OR SERVICE CHARGES ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 10%, MOST MORE LIKE FOUR AND SIX. BUT THERE'S A WIDE RANGE, SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE IN THE DETAILS. WHEN WE SHOW THE PROPOSED FEE CHANGES, THEN OUR FIBER RANGES SIMILARLY 3 TO 9% FOR THE VARIOUS MONTHLY CHARGES.

AIRPORT IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THEIR CUSTOMER FACILITY CHARGE, RAISING IT FROM $4 TO $6. SO THAT'S FOR THE CAR RENTAL FEES THAT GET ADDED ON WHEN YOU RENT A CAR. THAT FEE IS EXPECTED TO GO UP. AND THEN JUST OTHER VARIOUS CHANGES THAT ARE CLEAN UP FOR THE MOST PART, OR SPLITTING OUT FEES IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE FEE CHANGES? COUNCIL MEMBERS? BECAUSE I WAS NOT I DIDN'T COULDN'T ESTABLISH EFFECTIVE AUDIO OR I WAS IN THE AIR AND I MISSED THE BUDGET PRESENTATION. DID YOU IN THE AIRPORT BUDGET PRESENTATION TALK ABOUT THAT.

THAT 50% INCREASE, YOU'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH ALL OF THAT. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU WITH VERIFYING. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR EXPENSE SIDE. WAIT WAIT WAIT. WILL YOU GO BACK THEN. YEAH. THE REVENUE EXPECTATIONS THE REVENUE SHOWS UP ON THE BUDGET AS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT LAST YEAR WAS. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER. SO VARIOUS OTHERS IN CLEANUP. IS, IS THAT THE EXTRA FUND BALANCE THAT YOU TALK TO THAT IN A MINUTE. OKAY. LIKE THAT'S NOT MINOR. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T VARIOUS OTHERS.

YES OKAY. SO I HAVE THAT ACTUALLY WAY LATER. BUT I CAN TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT OKAY.

THAT'S OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WASN'T JUST YEAH. SO THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THIS YEAR, WHAT WE'VE ADDED INTO THE BUDGET AND WE'VE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ALREADY. SO YOU'RE NOT ALONE IN THAT. WE HAVE ADDED IN AN ESTIMATED BEGINNING FUND BALANCE. SO THAT'S ASSUMING CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET. IF WE STICK TO OUR BUDGET, WHAT SHOULD WE HAVE LEFT OVER FROM WHAT HAS ROLLED FORWARD FROM YEAR TO YEAR. SO OUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE IS ESTIMATED IN THERE SO THAT IT'S THERE AS A RESOURCE AVAILABLE THAT'S FUNDING SOME OF OUR CURRENT OR OUR FUTURE YEAR EXPENDITURES. THEN ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, OUR RESERVES HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. SO YOU'LL SEE RESERVES FOR FUTURE CAPITAL RESERVES FOR RATE STABILIZATION IN POWER, THE FUTURE CAPITAL HAS OUR LIKE MURPH, ACCUMULATED RESOURCES AS WELL AS SET ASIDE FUNDING IN SOME OF OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT ARE FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. THERE'S ALSO THE RESERVE FOR THE SELF-INSURANCE THAT HAS BEEN ACCUMULATING, AS WELL AS THE HEALTH SAVINGS FOR HEALTH INSURANCE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A RESERVE FOR DEBT SERVICE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR DEBT THAT WE'VE ISSUED. SO IT'S ABOUT A MILLION THAT HAS TO BE SAVED AND SET ASIDE SO THAT WE KNOW WE CAN MAKE OUR DEBT PAYMENT IN THE UPCOMING YEAR. SO ALL OF THOSE RESERVES HAVE BEEN PUT INTO THE BUDGET AT THE EXPENDITURE SIDE TO SHOW THAT CAPACITY THAT HAS BEEN HELD WITH A LOT OF OUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE IS NOT AVAILABLE TO SPEND. IT'S BEING HELD FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES. SO IT'S TO SHOW THAT IN THE BUDGET SO WE CAN THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG CONVERSATION LATER THAT WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO THAT OKAY OKAY. PERFECT.

AND THEN ALSO CONTINGENCY IS IN THERE WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE NET OF THOSE THE TO MAKE THE REST OF THE BUDGET BALANCE OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE GO IN MORE DETAIL. NO.

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BUT THE BUMP UP IS ONLY 200 EXTRA THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE. LIKE IT SHOULD GO TO 36 EIGHT, 26 AT LEAST. I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, LOOK AT THAT ONE. BECAUSE I MEAN SALARIES AND WAGES. AND THEN IT JUST SAYS BENEFITS. AND IT JUMPED FROM 26 TO 33 BETWEEN 24 TO 25. BUT THEN FROM 25 TO 26 IT'S ONLY UP $200,000. AND THAT'S PART OF OUR PROOF READING. GOING BACK ON THE SECOND DRAFT. LET ME. SORRY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST LIKE ONE OF THOSE COMMENTS TO MAKE IN THE, IN THE AND SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY'RE GRAVITY. SOMETIMES IT WILL NOT PULL OUT. OH YEAH. DECIMAL POINTS. AND MARK'S GOING TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT TOO I WAS LOOKING AT. BUT IT'S LIKELY DUE TO THAT.

IT'S JUST IT'S JUST LIKE A SOMETHING TO NOTICE AS WE'RE GOING ON IT. IT'S UNDER THE BUDGET SUMMARY PAGE 37. I WILL POINT OUT SORRY. IT'S NOT IT'S YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DO AND SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT. BUT I WILL JUST POINT OUT IT'S NOT MATHEMATICAL. IT'S NOT 9.9% HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR BECAUSE EMPLOYEES HAVE A IMPACT ON THE MIXTURE OF WHAT THAT IS. SO NOT ALL PLANS ARE THE SAME VALUE. OKAY. SO AS WE AND WE'RE COMING INTO WE PLAY THIS FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD GAME EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OPEN ENROLLMENT IS AFTER THE BUDGET IS DONE. AND SO OPEN ENROLLMENT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE PEOPLE CHANGE PLANS. AND SO WE TRY TO ACCOUNT A LITTLE BIT FOR THAT. BUT. THAT'S ONE NUANCE IS IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT THE SAME. YEAH. IT'S JUST BIG ENOUGH TO CATCH MY EYE. YEAH. NO.

ABSOLUTELY. SO OKAY THAT WAS ALL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ONE IS DOUBLE CHECKED. YEP. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO VISION IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE 20% AND THEN NO PERCY RATE CHANGE EXPECTED FOR THIS YEAR. HAVE WE THOUGHT TO ON PERCY RATHER THAN TAKE A PUNCH IN THE FACE IN THE YEARS WHEN THEY DO HAVE AN INCREASE AND THEN BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF IN THE YEARS WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE, WE THOUGHT TO TAKE SORT OF A TEN YEAR LOOK AND KIND OF SET ASIDE A ROLLING AVERAGE AMOUNT THAT THAT WOULD HELP US TO BE READY WHEN THERE IS AN INCREASE SO THAT IT NEVER HURTS US. OR IS THAT TOO MUCH WORK FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'VE MANAGED TO SURVIVE ALL THESE YEARS? YOU'RE LIKE BASICALLY SAYING, ARE WE WORKING, PERCY? YEAH. WE'VE HAD THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION ON, INCLUDING COMPENSATED ABSENCES FOR THE SAME IDEA, WHICH IS A MUCH HIGHER. YES. WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S A LOW COST VERSUS THE A

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THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE NEED TO GET TO, BUT BOTH THE TWO BIG ONES ARE THE BUILDING BUILDINGS AND THEN COMPENSATED HOUSES. I COULDN'T AGREE MORE ON BUILDING, PARTICULARLY SINCE. THANKS.

OKAY. SOME OTHER ASSUMPTIONS ARE DEBT OBLIGATIONS ARE IN THE BUDGET. WE HAVE A DEBT PAYMENT FOR OUR POLICE COMPLEX. THAT'S 2 MILLION EVERY YEAR. OUR POWER REVENUE BONDS. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SERIES OF DEBT THAT WE'VE ISSUED. 2021 WAS FOR TRANSMISSION, 2024 WAS FOR THIS PEAKING PLANT. SO THESE TWO DEBT ISSUANCES HAVE A MILLION AND A HALF IN 3.8 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE. THEN OUR WASTEWATER LOAN FOR 1,000,001. AND THEN WE HAVE A NEW DEBT ISSUANCE EXPECTED FOR THE AIRPORT TERMINAL OF 17 MILLION. SO WE'RE EXPECTING LOADED IN SOME BUDGET DEBT SERVICE FOR THAT AS WELL. BUT WE. I'M SORRY, I'M MISSING SOMETHING ON THE POWER REVENUE BONDS BECAUSE WE'RE IMPLANTS A LOT MORE THAN 3.8 MILLION. THAT'S THE DEBT SERVICE, NOT THE OH JUST THE DEBT SERVICE, JUST THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS OR THOSE DEBT SERVICE.

EARLIER. SORRY FOR THE YEAR. FOR THE YEAR. SO WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED OUR LEASE OBLIGATIONS, OUR POLICE VEHICLES. WE HAVE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF BUDGETED FOR PAYMENTS ON OUR POLICE VEHICLE LEASES. THAT INCLUDES 15 NEW VEHICLES FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. AND THEN FIRE EQUIPMENT HAS ONE THAT HAS DROPPED OFF FOR FIRE EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S GONE DOWN TO JUST A LITTLE OVER 300,000 FOR THE YEAR. AND THOSE LEASE PAYMENTS WERE INCLUDED IN PRIOR YEAR'S DEBT SERVICE. RIGHT? RIGHT. THEY'VE JUST BEEN IN CURRENT OPERATING OR MURPH EXPENDITURES IN PREVIOUS YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN BREAKING THOSE OUT, PUTTING THEM IN DEBT. FOR OUR OTHER OPERATIONAL COSTS. KIND OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT TRYING TO GET WITHIN OUR BUDGET TO BE BALANCED, WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD STEADY ON OUR CURRENT OPERATING COSTS, OUR RISK ALLOCATION TO DEPARTMENTS INCREASED A BIT BECAUSE OF THE PREMIUM, INCREASING OUR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE AND FUEL COSTS CITYWIDE WENT UP 5%. ASSUMPTION UTILITIES FOR OUR POWER, WATER, SEWER, SANITATION BILLS, THOSE WE ASSUMED AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 5%. BASED ON THE RATES WE KNOW WE'RE PLANNING TO INCREASE. AND THEN JUST OTHER OPERATIONAL COSTS HAVE BEEN HIGHER TO FUEL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT AT ABOUT 5% INCREASE. MURPH. WE CONTINUED TO HOLD STEADY ON MURPH FUNDING THOSE REPLACEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED SO THAT WE HAVE MONEY WHEN THE TIME TO REPLACE COMES OUR INTERDEPARTMENTAL CHARGES AND COST ALLOCATED SERVICES.

AGAIN, TRYING TO HOLD STEADY, WE LEFT THE COST ALLOCATION PLAN AS IS. WE DID ADJUST THE AMOUNTS IN IT SO THAT IT REFLECTED THOSE CUTS WE MADE AND REDUCTIONS WE MADE TO BUDGET. SO IT WAS A LITTLE MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BUDGETING FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS INSTEAD OF PREVIOUSLY, WE'VE JUST DONE A 5% INCREASE OVER A 3% INCREASE OVER THE PRIOR YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT WE TRIED TO REALIGN IT WITH OUR ACTUAL BUDGETS THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THOSE REDUCTIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING. INTERNAL OBLIGATIONS. WE PREVIOUSLY HAVE HAD THE FIRE STATION PAYBACK WHEN WE BUILT FIRE STATION ONE, THE PROPERTY TAXES WERE BEING ALLOCATED ABOUT 400,000 EVERY YEAR TO REPAY THAT TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO WE ARE THIS IS THE LAST YEAR OF IT. WE'RE ROLLING THAT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO IT'S ABSORBED BY THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN THOSE PROPERTY TAX FUNDS WILL STAY WITH THE GENERAL FUND. GOLF DID AN IRRIGATION PROJECT. SO THEY ARE REPLENISHING THE TURF THAT THEY USED ABOUT 300,000 EVERY YEAR. THEY HAVE ANOTHER FIVE AND A HALF YEARS OF REPAYMENT LEFT THERE. THEN FIBER RECEIVED A LOAN FROM POWER TO EXPAND OUR FIBER NETWORK. AND THEY'RE STARTING THAT REPAYMENT PLAN, PLANNING ON 1.25 MILLION NEXT YEAR. THAT LOAN IS A LITTLE OVER 19 MILLION PLUS INTEREST, SO RETAIN THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 10 TO 15, 20 YEARS.

WE FINALIZED ALL THE DETAILS OF THE REPAYMENT PLAN THAT. THERE WILL BE ONE MORE LOAN BEING PRESENTED IN THE COMING MONTHS WHEN WE FINALIZE THE ERP REPAYMENT PAYBACK. SO THAT ONE'S COMING. PROBABLY COMING TO THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND ALSO FOR THE FRONTIER CENTER. SO AS WE CONSTRUCT THE FRONTIER CENTER, THE FRONTIER BANK CONTRIBUTIONS WERE OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS. BUT WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW. SO THERE WILL BE DEPENDING ON HOW IT SHAKES OUT. I THINK IT'S ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF. I BELIEVE IT'S PLANNED THAT WE'LL HAVE TO

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AND THAT'S ALSO OUR PLEDGES AND DONATIONS. A LOT OF THE PLEDGES CAME IN WITH A FIVE YEAR OVER A PAYMENT OF OVER FIVE YEARS, OR A DONATION, IF YOU WILL, OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. SO WE'VE GOT THAT INCORPORATED IN AS WELL. WILL WE, WILL WE CONSIDER OUR INTEREST THAT WE INCUR BY PAYING THOSE THINGS UPFRONT AND NOT RECEIVING THE MONEY YET AS OUR CONTRIBUTIONS? ALSO, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT SOURCE IT COMES FROM. OKAY, IF WE FUNDED OUT OF GENERAL FUND, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THAT. IF WE FUND IT OUT OF AN ENTERPRISE FUND, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND WE HAVE A POLICY ON THE ENTERPRISE SIDE OF HOW WE DO THAT. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD TO CONTINUE OR DO WE NEED TO BREAK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OH SO CONTINUE. ARE WE MOVING TO A DIFFERENT AGENDA. BUT IT BREAKS. I WAS THINKING THAT WHEN YOU WERE FINISHED HERE, WE WOULD TAKE A BREAK FOR DARREN CARTER. OKAY. WE STILL HAVE MORE. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT ESSENTIALLY FOR WHAT THE DIFFERENT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET ARE. SO FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL'S BUDGET, THE DAYCARE LICENSES HAVE BEEN CHANGED AT THE STATE LEVEL. THE CITIES ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO PROCESS THOSE. SO THE REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES EXPECTED FOR THOSE HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD. WE'VE ALSO BUDGETED FOR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF GIFT THAT IS FUNDING TOWARDS OR WE SEND MONEY TO TRIFIDA TO THEN SEND BACK TO US TO FUND OUR MATCH FOR THE GIFT PROGRAM. SO THIS YEAR WE SHOULD BE EXHAUSTING ALL OF THE CARES MONEY, THE ARPA FUNDING FOR CARES FUNDING FOR TRANSIT, AND WE'LL START MOVING INTO THE GRANTS THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRE MATCH. IT'S BEEN 100% FUNDED TO DATE, SO THE CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE PAST THAT WE HAVE MADE ARE ACCUMULATING SO THAT THEY HAVE GRANT MATCH AVAILABLE AND READY TO GO FOR THE UPCOMING GRANTS THAT WE HAVE. SO THAT 410 IS STILL CONTINUING SUPPORT OF TRANSIT. THAT'S WHAT THE EXPECTED AMOUNT ONGOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE MATCH REQUIRED TO KEEP OPERATING GIFT WAS THAT WAS THAT LAST YEAR'S AMOUNT TO CORRECT FOR TEN IS WHAT WE DID PREVIOUSLY IT WAS 160,000. BUT WE HAVE TO OKAY. NOW FOR TEN WAS THE SAME OKAY. YEAH. MUNICIPAL SERVICES THERE IS A REQUESTED NEW FTE FOR UTILITY BILLING. THAT'S A CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE THAT WOULD BE FUNDED BY ALL OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THE UTILITY FUNDS. THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION IS A HUGE PROJECT UNDERTAKEN UNDER MUNICIPAL SERVICES. SO A LOT OF OUR IT AND FINANCE STAFF DEDICATED TO THAT. WE'VE ESTIMATED 3 MILLION IN THE BUDGET AND ABOUT 2.5 MILLION IN CARRYFORWARD, JUST NOT KNOWING EXACTLY HOW FAR WE'RE GOING TO GET BY SEPTEMBER 30TH IN BILLINGS, GIVING OURSELVES A CAPACITY THAT WOULD JUST ROLL FORWARD FROM THIS YEAR'S 3 MILLION EXPECTED. ALSO INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS A BIG CHANGE OF THE ANNUAL LICENSE AND MAINTENANCE OF WORKDAY AND SPRY POINT AT 618,000. THAT IS NEW IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR THAT SYSTEM. ALSO, WITH MUNICIPAL SERVICES, WE HAVE THE FRONTIER CENTER CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, THE CONTRACT UNDERWAY, AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON. IT'S PRETTY NEAT IN PROCESS THAT'S EXPECTED TO COMPLETE NEXT SPRING OR FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. AND THAT IS PRIMARILY FUNDED BY DONATIONS. WE ALSO HAVE SOME ARPA FUNDING, AND THEN THE GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTION AS WELL. FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE REQUESTING A NEW FTE AS A PLANNER. A LOT OF, I WILL SAY, A LOT OF OUR DEPARTMENTAL REQUESTS FOR NEW FTE, KNOWING IT'S A TIGHT BUDGET. MOST OF THEM KNOW THEY PROBABLY MAY NOT GET THE POSITION, BUT ALSO JUST WANTING TO DEMONSTRATE THE NEED THAT IS THERE SO THAT IT'S NOT THREE YEARS DOWN THE LINE AND YOU'VE NEVER HEARD ANY NEEDS. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE WE'RE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

WE NEED THIS POSITION. SO A LOT OF THESE REQUESTS, IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY FUNDED BY SOME SOURCE, ARE JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THE NEEDS. EVEN IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FUND THOSE THREE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ALSO IN THIS, THEY RUN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, THE CDBG GRANT, AND THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU HAVE TO UPDATE THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN. AND WITH THAT, THEY NEED TO DO A FIVE YEAR HOUSING STUDY. AND SO THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THEIR BUDGET TO FUND THAT STUDY. IT'S ABOUT $68,000. AND THEN WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. BUT THEY'RE EXPECTING KIND OF STAGNANT REVENUES. SO WE'RE LEAVING THOSE RELATIVELY CONSERVATIVE SIMILAR TO THIS CURRENT YEAR. FOR POLICE. THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THERE IS

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THEY'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE COMPLETION OF THE NORTH FIRE STATION SO THAT CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY AS WELL, ESTIMATING TO BE COMPLETED NEXT SPRING, NEXT CALENDAR YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT YET? OKAY, SO I DO HAVE ONE MORE. SO WHEN. THE 3% SALARY, THE STEP AND GRADE THE BENEFITS, THE 5% INCREASE TO FUEL, THE 5% INCREASE TO MAINTENANCE AND EQUIPMENT AND THE 5% INCREASE TO UTILITIES WITH SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, THOSE ARE ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO THOSE. ANY OTHER CHANGES HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, RIGHT. PRETTY MUCH SIGNIFICANT ITEMS. YES. WELL, WHAT ABOUT JUST LIKE OTHER ITEMS. INSIGNIFICANT. YEAH. LIKE YEAH. LIKE WHAT WOULD WE CALL INSIGNIFICANT IF WE SAID THERE'S FUEL, THERE'S MAINTENANCE, THERE'S UTILITIES, THERE'S SALARY. LIKE WHAT WOULD BE INSIGNIFICANT? TYPICALLY WE DEFINE INSIGNIFICANT AS ANYTHING LESS THAN 75,000 BECAUSE THAT'S THE LEVEL IN WHICH IT COMES TO COUNCIL. SO THINGS LIKE TRAINING BUDGETS THAT WENT FROM 20,000 TO 20 5000 OR 60,000 TO 75,000.

WE'RE NOT DETAILING OUT ALL OF THAT, BUT IT IS IN THE DETAIL OF THE BUDGET BOOK. OKAY, OKAY.

OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE IN TRAINING, YOU COULD GIVE US A LIST OF SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE INSIGNIFICANT. JUST WOULDN'T GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAIL. YEAH, YEAH OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YEAH. YOU'RE GOING TO BE GIVEN OR ARE THEY IN THE BUDGET BOOK IN, IN A CERTAIN WAY, THE BUDGET BOOK IS ALL IN SUMMARY OF THOSE MAJOR CATEGORIES. SO PERSONNEL BENEFITS, CURRENT OPERATING EXPENSES, DEBT. SO IF YOU WANT THE DETAIL WE COULD GIVE YOU THE LIGHT ON THE GL ACCOUNTS OR EVEN THE DETAIL WITHIN THAT WE HAVE BOTH LEVELS. BEYOND THAT, I'LL HAVE TO THINK THROUGH WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT LIKE HOW MANY REAMS OF PAPERS AND WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT LITTLE DETAIL LIKE, OKAY, DO WE NOT HAVE COUNCIL HAVE ACCESS TO GRAVITY? WE DO, WE DO. SO YOU CAN GO IN AND JUST LOOK AT THE ITEMS ON THERE. SO YOU CLICK ON THEM, IT HAS THE DETAIL. THEN I

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WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE SUPPORT TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY JUSTIFY THAT INCREASE. AND THEN THEY WENT THROUGH THAT WITH BROOKS'S TEAM. AND THEN THEY ALSO MET WITH THE MAYOR. AND WE IDENTIFIED SOME OF THOSE AREAS AS WELL OF THE BUDGET LINE ITEMS THAT WENT UP. AND MY, MY DEPARTMENT INCLUDED, WHEN IT CAME TO, YOU KNOW, THE FUEL. AND SO THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY DIG IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SUPPORT AND DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THOSE INCREASES. ANYTHING ELSE. AND ALSO A LOT OF JUST ITEMS LISTED HERE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS. SO EVERY DEPARTMENT USUALLY HAS CERTAIN SOFTWARE SUPPLIES, THEY'VE GOT TRAINING AND THEY'VE GOT JUST MISCELLANEOUS PURCHASES THAT THEY MAKE THAT ARE PRETTY NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS. THESE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND THAT OR NEW AND DIFFERENT THIS YEAR. AND IT SPEAKS TO COMPARABILITY. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY, WHY ONE THING IS DIFFERENT FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS ARE. THAT WAY, YOU HAVE SOME MEASURE OF COMPARABILITY. AND BUT WE CAN LITERALLY PROVIDE IT AT THE LINE ITEM OR DETAIL WITHIN EACH. I'M JUST I JUST HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE ALL I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT BUDGETS ARE GOING UP BY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TEN INSIGNIFICANT ITEMS. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT AM I? WHAT AM I THINKING ABOUT AT THIS MOMENT IS HOW THERE IS BY LINE ITEM. AND THEN THERE'S IN TOTAL AND TOTAL. WE TRY TO KEEP IT TO 5%. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO PARKS AND RECREATION. THEY ARE REQUESTING A NEW EMPLOYEE FOR CEMETERY MAINTENANCE AND ALSO A NEW ZOOKEEPER RELATED TO SOME OF THE SAFETY ISSUES AT THE ZOO. AGAIN, THESE ARE ON THE DEPARTMENTAL REQUESTS. THOSE ARE NOT LOADED INTO THE BUDGET. THE PARKS AND REC SPECIFICALLY HAD A LOT OF PERSONAL SAVINGS FROM RETIREMENTS AND TURNOVER, SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THEIR PERSONNEL COSTS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE IN THEIR DEPARTMENT. WE HAD TO REALLY LOOK AT THE DETAILS BECAUSE THEIR NUMBERS WERE GOING DOWN RELATIVELY FROM WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF TURNOVER. IF YOU IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WITH A FULL FAMILY, THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE FROM THE HEALTH INSURANCE SIDE THAN SINGLE INSURANCE. SO THAT'S ABOUT $25,000 SAVINGS RIGHT THERE FOR EACH ONE. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE RETIREMENT TURNOVER DON'T GENERATE A CHANGE IN FTE. JUST COSTS. CORRECT. THE NEWER EMPLOYEES DON'T COST AS MUCH AS OLDER EMPLOYEES GENERALLY. IS THAT IS THAT THE REASON? WE LIKE TO USE THE WORD EXPERIENCED? YES. OKAY. NEWER EMPLOYEES GET PAID LESS THAN MORE EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEES. YES.

AND THE OTHER THING WE'RE DOING TOO IS WE'RE CONTINUING TO REINFORCE POSITION CONTROL. THAT WAS SOME AFFECTIONATE COURSE THAT WE WENT ON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THOSE PERSONAL PERSONNEL BUDGETS. SO THAT'S STILL IN PLACE AS WELL. ANOTHER CHANGE IN GOLF IS WE'VE UPPED THEIR AND INVENTORY EXPENDITURE, AS WELL AS THEIR SALES REVENUE, TO MORE ALIGNED WITH WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING OVER HISTORICAL YEARS. THOSE HAVE BEEN A LITTLE OUT OF

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AND THEY WERE IT WAS ON THEM. AND THEN THE CITY TOOK THAT OVER. AND SO IT HAS BEEN A REVENUE PRODUCER FOR US WITH THE GOLF CARTS AND WITH THE SALES IN THE PRO SHOP. THAT AND PAY THE GOLF PROFESSIONALS MORE NOW TO MAKE UP FOR THE DIFFERENCE. AND THEY ALSO GOT TO BE IN A CITY.

SO YEAH, IT WAS A BIG IT WAS A KIND OF A SEA CHANGE FOR, FOR GOLF OPERATIONS. WAS THAT EIGHT YEARS AGO IT. IN OUR LIBRARY THEY HAVE SHIFTED SOME OF THE FTE BUDGET TO THEIR SEASONALS TO JUST ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THEIR OPERATIONS AND PROGRAMS. FOR OUR AIRPORT, WE'VE GOT THE BIG TERMINAL EXPANSION PROJECT AND OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS. YOU'LL SEE A BIG INCREASE TO THEIR CAPITAL BUDGET, EXPECTED DEBT ISSUANCE OF ABOUT 17 MILLION TO FUND THAT TERMINAL EXPANSION. THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THAT WOULD BE FUNDED BY A TAX PRIMARILY ISSUED. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CUSTOMER FACILITY CHARGE, THE EXPECTED INCREASE TO THAT FEE AND THEN JUST CONTINUED PASSENGER GROWTH. WE'RE SEEING GREAT GROWTH AT THE AIRPORT AND ADDED FLIGHTS AS WELL. FOR PUBLIC WORKS. WE'VE WE HAVE IN THE REQUEST A GIS TECHNICIAN.

THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WOULD BE FUNDED BY DEPARTMENTS. SO AGAIN, ANY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL FUND FTE REQUESTS ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET NUMBERS. THEY'RE NOT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. THEY'RE ALL IN THE DEPARTMENT REQUEST LIST ENTERPRISE FUND FTE REQUESTS ARE IN THEIR BUDGET. SO THEY HAVE FEES TO SUPPORT THOSE POSITIONS. SO THE GIS TECHNICIAN IS NOT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, JUST ON THE DEPARTMENT REQUEST. THE WATER CIVIL ENGINEER IS INCLUDED IN THE WATER BUDGET. WE'VE GOT KIND OF GIFT SERVICE EXPANSION. WE'VE WE'RE PURCHASING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPAND SOME OF THE SERVICE. WE'VE ALSO GOT INTEREST FROM AMON FOR SERVICE. SO THAT'S ALL KIND OF IN THE WORKS. AND A FRESHLY NEWLY IN THE WORKS. BUT THAT'S ALL GRANT FUNDED WITH ALSO THE MATCH EXPECTED. WE ALSO HAVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR STREET AND SANITATION, SHARED ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AS WELL AS WATER OFFICES, CONSTRUCTION. SO THOSE ARE BOTH BIG PROJECTS IN PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET. AND THEN WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE STREET SWEEPING SERVICE TRANSITIONING TO SANITATION, AS WELL AS TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND STREET LIGHTS TRANSITION TO POWER OUTAGE. STREETS BUDGET. SO I'M LOOKING AT I'M GOING TO LOOK AT DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON RIGHT NOW. BUT AS BROOKS MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT THOSE FOUR HYBRIDS COMING IN TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THOSE. WE CAN ACTUALLY USE THE FUEL DISPENSERS OUT AT THE FUEL MAINTENANCE OR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN EVER SO SLIGHTLY JUST A SMALL INCREASE ON OUR FUEL BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW MORE VEHICLES THAT WILL BE FILLING UP THERE. BUT IT'S REALLY BEEN A GREAT PLEASURE TO WORK WITH DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON AND ALSO KATE, THE TRANSIT COORDINATOR ON THIS. IT'S JUST BEEN REALLY FUN TO KIND OF WATCH THE PROGRAM GROW AND BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITIES BEEN REALLY GREAT SUCCESS STORY, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FOR POWER AND FIBER. THEY'VE REQUESTED FOUR NEW FTES IN POWER FOR BUILDING AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE, ELECTRICAL ENGINEER AND A POWER SCHEDULER AND A DRAFTER. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE RIVER CORRIDOR MAINTENANCE BEING PAID DIRECTLY TO PARKS FROM POWER UNDER THE RECREATION PLAN. ALSO, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND STREET LIGHTS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, PUBLIC WORKS. IT'S MOVING FROM STREETS INTO POWER. AND THEN ALSO THE NEW REPAYMENT OF THE LOAN POWER. SO THAT'S A CHANGE TO THEIR BUDGET AS WELL IN FIBER. OKAY. SO THIS IS WHERE I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE KIND OF PRESENTATION CHANGE OF SHOWING OUR BEGINNING ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE OR RESERVES AND CONTINGENCY. IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE CITY OF NAMPA, CITY OF BOISE, THEY'RE STARTING TO SHOW THIS SO THAT IT SHOWS A BALANCED BUDGET. IN PAST YEARS. YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE LIKE POWER BUDGET WOULD BE -52 MILLION. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE DON'T SHOW THE FUNDS ON HAND

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AND PART OF THAT IS JUST THE TIMING OF TRYING TO GET THAT THROUGH WITH GRAVITY. WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO BREAK OUT A NEW SECTION TO PUT IT IN THERE, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO AS WELL. OKAY, SO IT SHOWS IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET, SO IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT THERE'S A REVENUE RIGHT OR A OKAY. YOUR TWO OPTIONS ARE CALL IT RESOURCING OR PUT IT UNDERNEATH REVENUE AND EXPENSES AND CALL IT USE OF FUND BALANCE. RIGHT. WE PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THE WORD FUND BALANCE BECAUSE IT HAS. WE'RE TRYING TO USE THE WORD FUND IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

THAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT THAT IS THE THAT'S THE TECHNICAL TERM. YES. OKAY. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO THE DEPARTMENTAL REQUEST. NOW THAT WOULD BE A GOOD BREAK POINT BECAUSE THAT'S A BIGGER DISCUSSION. AND IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD START OUR MEETING WITH NEXT TUESDAY. BUT IT FEELS LIKE WE JUST DID IT. AND SO HOW IS THE PRESENTATION OF REQUESTS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE REVIEW THAT YOU JUST DID? SO THOSE WERE JUST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THERE. THE ONLY PIECES THAT ARE IN THOSE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS WERE THOSE FTES. THAT'S THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. EVERYTHING ELSE IS NEW THAT YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT OTHER THAN THE FEES. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD WE COULD JUST GO WITH WHAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE CAN ASSESS AND DECIDE AFTER WE HEAR TODAY WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR LATER. MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE DEPARTMENT REQUEST, THAT'S WHEN THE DEPARTMENT COMES AND SAYS, LIKE, THIS IS WHY I NEED THIS PERSON AND THIS IS WHY I'M SHORT OR, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF LIKE WE DID LAST, I KNOW. AND SO THIS IS WHERE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. BUT IF WE GO WITH WHAT'S BEEN PREPARED, THEN COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN TAKE NOTES AND THEN WE CAN START OUR MEETING. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I. YES, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. FOR THE NEXT TIME WITH THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR WILL BE INFORMED AND WE MAY END UP DOING REVIEWING SOME OF IT TWICE, BUT YES. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO WITH IT. IT IS WHAT I'M GOING ON. 2:00. SO WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN COME BACK AND TRY TO HIT IT AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR? SO YEAH. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO THAT. WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE LIVE BACK FROM THAT. THAT FIVE MINUTE BREAK THAT TOOK 15. BUT HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY GOT TO IT ONLY FELT LIKE FIVE. YEAH I KNOW IT FEELS LIKE THEY GOT I GOT A CONVERSATION

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THEY HAVE BEEN LOCKSTEP WITH US ON THIS THE WHOLE WAY, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED THAT WE'RE HAVING

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AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON. WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO ACTUALLY MEASURE THAT STATISTICALLY, THAT 10% RANGE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS HAS FLUCTUATED FROM, YOU KNOW, 76% TO 86% OF THE BUDGET, AND IT GOES UP AND DOWN PERSONNEL COSTS ON THE OVERALL BUDGET. SOME OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND BUDGETS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN SOME OF THE MUNICIPAL AND MUNICIPAL. THE GENERAL FUND BUDGETS ARE EVEN MORE THAN THAT. THEY'RE PRIMARILY 100% WERE REALLY CLOSE TO 1% PERSONNEL. SO IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION OF SUSTAINABILITY, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL OR DIRECTORS OR ANYONE WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT CREATES SUSTAINABILITY. OBVIOUSLY, THE MORE POSITIONS WE ADD, THEN WE'VE GOT TO SUSTAIN THOSE OVER TIME. ANYTHING WE ADD TO WAGES, IT'S RELATIVELY EASY IN ANY GIVEN YEAR TO TAP THE BRAKES ON WAGES. YOU JUST REDUCE OR DON'T CREATE AN ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE FOR A YEAR OR TWO, AND YOU CAN KIND OF LET THAT CATCH UP WHEN YOU GOT WHEN PERSONNEL THAT THE FTE TAKE OVER. AND THAT BECOMES THE ISSUE. THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE REALLY. THE ONLY THE ONLY THING TO DO AT THAT POINT IS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FTE. SO RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE CURRENT YEAR WITH WHAT WE'RE FUNDING, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, I THINK IT'S 580 APPROVED POSITIONS IN THIS YEAR. GOT A SHEET HERE IN FRONT OF ME. I'VE JUST GOT TO FIND WHERE TO PUT IT. YEAH WE'VE GOT 802 FULL TIME FTE APPROVED. BUT WE'RE WE'RE AVERAGING CLOSE TO SEVEN 5760 FILLED. SO IN ANY GIVEN YEAR YOU'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, ONGOING TURN WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE VACANCIES THAT CREATE CHANGE.

BUT THE LARGER THAT FTE GETS, THEN THE LARGER THE BUDGET HAS TO BE TO SUSTAIN THOSE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S PERCENT OF OPERATING BUDGET STARTS TO GET INCREASINGLY LIKE PERSONNEL COSTS GET INCREASINGLY HIGHER AS A PERCENT IN COMPARED TO OPERATING BUDGETS. SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT TO TAKE THIS CONVERSATION, BUT IF ANYONE HAS SOME THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS, WELL, I ASK THIS EVERY TIME YOU TALK MONEY, GIVE US, IF YOU CAN. WHAT ARE THE REALISTIC OPTIONS OF SELF-INSURANCE, OF WHAT WE DO WITH THAT SELF-INSURANCE FUND

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SHE CAN SLOW DOWN. SHE'S PROBABLY GOT IT RIGHT. ALMOST READY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION THAT DIRECTOR JONES HAD TALKED ABOUT, TOO, WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF POSITION CONTROL. YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THAT PAINFUL PROCESS ABOUT 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO, AND THAT HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TO TRY TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR RESOURCES. BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS WHERE MARK WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW OUR OUR EXPENSES ON THE PERSONNEL SIDE WITHOUT POSITION CONTROL ARE OUTPACING THE REVENUE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU COME TO A LIMIT OF A CAP OF 8%, BUT POTENTIALLY EVEN LIMITING IT TO A 3% STATUTORY PROPERTY TAX FOR A GENERAL FUND POSITION. SO THAT'S WHY THE POSITION CONTROLS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S MAYOR AND COUNCIL'S APPROACH AND ENFORCING AND LIKE REINFORCING THE FINANCE TEAM TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THOSE POSITION CONTROL NUMBERS. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY POSITIONS THAT ARE OVER AND ABOVE THAT, THEY COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OR THEY COME THROUGH APPROVAL THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A 404 FORMAL APPROVAL FOR ANYTHING THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE THIS STATED POSITION CONTROL. SO THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS BEEN A PART OF OUR BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY GOAL THAT WE'VE HAD TO HELP TO HELP, TO MANAGE THOSE EXPENDITURES JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND I THINK BROOKS HAS THE NUMBER. SO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, THE IT'S BROKEN INTO TWO PIECES, 2.1 MILLION IS THE HEALTH SAVINGS. SO THAT'S EVERY DEPARTMENT IS CHARGED PER PAY PERIOD AMOUNT PER EMPLOYEE THAT GOES INTO THIS FUND TO HELP SMOOTH OUT HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE COMMONLY REFER TO AS A SUSTAINABILITY FUND STABILIZATION. STABILIZATION.

YEAH. SO THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RETAINED IF WERE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. RIGHT. OKAY. THEN WE HAVE THE SELF-INSURANCE, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER 4.6 MILLION. AND THOSE BOTH MAKE UP FUND 20. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I GUESS WE'LL DISCUSS IT LATER. BUT I THINK IF FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE TO HAVE GONE THAT WAY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PREPARED WITH THE RESERVE. WE'D HAVE TO SEE FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE SAY, OH, YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS RIGHT. WE COULDN'T JUST DO THAT. I WOULD WANT TO SEE A TREND OVER MULTIPLE YEARS BECAUSE YOU END UP WITH THIS, THIS FLUCTUATION. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IN THE MARKET OF PURCHASING INSURANCE, HEALTH INSURANCE THAT HELP KEEP COSTS DOWN. WHEN YOU'RE SELF-FUNDED. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A COST FOR THE INSURERS CAN SOMETIMES SPREAD THE RISK OVER A HIGHER BOOK OF BUSINESS AND TAKE THE RISK ON LOSS OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET THE BUSINESS THAT WILL BE INEVITABLE IN FUTURE YEARS, WHERE WE'LL WE'LL HAVE

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IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YOU HAVE THE CAPITAL COST THAT IMPACTS FEES ARE PAYING FOR AND THEN GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. BUT THAT ISN'T REALLY NECESSARILY HOW WE'RE USING GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. LAST YEAR, I WAS HOPING WE WERE ON A PATH TO GET THAT 750,001 TIME MONEY, SO THAT THAT COULD BE THE MONEY THAT COUNCIL GAVE TO ALL OF THOSE NON ONGOING EXPENSES. BUT I MEAN REALLY THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM IS SET UP IS SO THAT GROWTH AND ANNEXATION IS SUPPOSED TO COVER PERSONNEL, ANY NEW LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE MAINTAINING A LEVEL OF SERVICE, THEY DON'T REALLY ALLOW US TO INCREASE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE. BUT AT LEAST FOR THOSE THREE DEPARTMENTS, THAT'S HOW THOSE IMPACT FEES ARE SET UP. BUT BUT OUR GROWTH AND ANNEXATION DOESN'T DOESN'T MATCH OUR 5% INFLATION. NOT EVEN CLOSE. SO WE ARE WE ARE CLEARLY ON A. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT A 5 MILLION SUSTAINABILITY IS AN INTERESTING WORD RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND I FIND IT FRUSTRATING. AND ACTUALLY OUR KELLY PACKER WAS ON A PODCAST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WITH OH, GARDNER. WHO WAS THE GARDNER WHO RAN FOR GOVERNOR A FEW YEARS BACK. TOMMY, TOMMY AHLQUIST. WHY DID I SAY GARDNER? BECAUSE HE USED TO WORK FOR GARDNER.

ANYWAY, SHE WAS ON A PODCAST WITH TOMMY AHLQUIST, AND SHE POINTED OUT THAT JUST BECAUSE CITIES MAKE IT WORK DOESN'T MEAN THAT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND THE VERY EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE. RIGHT. WE THE INFLATION THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH AND THE CUTTING OR THE CUTTING BACK OR THE DEFERRING, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE END UP LOOKING LIKE WE BALANCE OUR BUDGET, BUT WHAT THE IMPRESSION THAT A LEGISLATOR

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IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION THAT THAT INFLATION RATE FOR MEDICAL CARE IS OUTPACING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE. CAN I ASK A QUESTION THAT I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST SAY, THAT'S THE STUPIDEST IDEA YOU'VE EVER HEARD AND IT WILL NOT HURT MY FEELINGS. BUT YOU KNOW HOW IN GRAVITY IT SHOWS EVERY EMPLOYEE AND THEN IT SHOWS LIKE THIS IS THE TRUE COST OF THE EMPLOYEE. DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S A SENSE OF THAT AMONGST EMPLOYEES? DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE INSULTING TO GIVE THEM THAT, THAT LIKE HERE, HERE IS YOUR WHAT YOU ACTUALLY MAKE HERE'S. YEAH. LIKE YOU MIGHT THINK YOU'RE AT 68 BUT ACTUALLY YOU'RE AT 134 OF WHAT IT COST THE CITY, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY HAVE THAT GREAT PIECE OF INFORMATION TO PUT IN THE HANDS OF EVERY EMPLOYEE. AND THE NEW ERP WORKDAY IS GOING TO HAVE THAT ON THEIR HOME SCREEN. IT WILL SHOW THEM THEIR VALUE OF THEIR SALARY, THEIR THEIR BENEFITS, AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WILL BE MUCH MORE READILY AVAILABLE. I MEAN, IT'S IN GRAVITY NOW, AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT IT WAS LIKE, AS WE'VE ADOPTED THIS BUDGET, LIKE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY YOU'RE NOT VALUABLE. WE'RE WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THE VALUE AND IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH GREATER THAN YOUR TAKE HOME PAY. YOU'RE AWARE OF IT. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PRIOR TO DOCTOR JONES, STARTING WITH US AT THE ORGANIZATION, IS ACTUALLY GIVING THE EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, JUST AN AWARENESS. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HURT TO GIVE THE EMPLOYEES AN AWARENESS. AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY LOOK AT THEIR SIGNING UP FOR THEIR BENEFITS. AND THAT'S IN AUGUST NEXT MONTH. BUT AGAIN, I THINK PEOPLE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY IT ACTUALLY COSTS FOR THE CITY TO INSURE EVERYONE THAT IS ELIGIBLE AT THE CITY. AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD DO MORE OF AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN OR SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES THAT JUST TO DEVELOP THE AWARENESS OF IT, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR HUMAN RESOURCES TEAM HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO AS WELL IS THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT WHICH THEY'VE TAKEN BECAUSE, I MEAN, EVERY MONTH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, OH YEAH, THIS COMES OUT EVERY MONTH. BUT OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT ENDS UP BEING INSULTING TO EMPLOYEES. LIKE, THEY'RE JUST TRYING. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE USED IT AS A BLUDGEON. IT PROBABLY WOULD BE. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET IT IN FRONT OF THEM AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THE FULL VALUE OF WHAT THEY'RE GETTING FROM THEIR EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY. AND IT IS MUCH LARGER THAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ROUGHLY 35% LARGER THAN WHAT THEIR SALARY IS. AND THE INTENT WITH WORKDAY AND HAVING IT OUT THERE IS IT'S THERE. AND THEY CAN LOOK AT IT AT ANY PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME AND SEE THAT IT'S I TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU USE IT, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH IT. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR EACH EMPLOYEE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS INVESTING A LOT MORE THAN JUST THEIR SALARY AND EMPLOYING THEM IN THE CITY, AND THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ANOTHER POSITION, YOU SORT OF WAY SOME OF THOSE THINGS OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE WAGES COMPARED TO THE BENEFITS COMPARED TO THE LEAVE. AND, YOU KNOW, LEAVE IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT TENDS TO BE RELATIVELY GOOD WITH THE CITY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE A FEW YEARS. YOU KNOW, THE ENTRY LEVEL YEARS ARE PROBABLY MORE COMPARABLE THAN EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

AND WE DO HAVE EMPLOYEES. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DOCTOR JONES, WE DO HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT COME FROM OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE COMMENTED ON OUR OUR PLANS ARE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, VERY NICE THAT THEY'RE JUST LIKE, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM, TO THEM AND THEIR FAMILY TO BE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS BECAUSE OF THE BENEFIT PLANS THAT WE HAVE FOR EMPLOYEES THAT LIKE A PENSION, LIKE THE SECURITY OF A PENSION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES THAT OFFER PENSIONS ANYMORE. SO TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN PERSON IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL FOR THEM. SO THAT'S, I THINK, SOME GOOD NOTES THAT THEY'VE TAKEN ON THAT. BUT.

TO MOVE OFF OF BENEFITS FOR A MINUTE AND JUST BACK TO THE LARGER TOPIC OF SUSTAINABILITY FOR EMPLOYEES. ARE THERE IF YOU ARE ON AN UNSUSTAINABLE PATH AT SOME POINT. THERE'S A PROBLEM, A BIG PROBLEM, RIGHT? THAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY FALLS OFF, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IMAGE YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH. THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE ON AN UNSUSTAINABLE PATH? THIS IS THINK ABOUT FOR A SECOND.

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YEAH, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GRADUAL. RIGHT. AND I'LL JUST I'LL MAKE AN ADDENDUM TO YOUR SPEECH, WHICH IS THAT I THINK THAT THE UNSUSTAINABLE CONVERSATION IS LOSING ITS IMPACT BECAUSE THIS IS MY 10TH YEAR ON COUNCIL. I WOULD SAY EIGHT OUT OF THOSE TEN YEARS, EVERY DIRECTOR HAS COME BEFORE US OR SERVICE DIRECTORS COME BEFORE US AND SAID THE SAME THING. AND COUNCIL DOESN'T REALLY HASN'T REACTED MUCH TO THAT. SO. SORT OF GETTING TO YOUR POINT IS, OKAY, WE'VE HEARD IT'S UNSUSTAINABLE. WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN AT THIS POINT. AND I THINK WHAT YOU DID WITH THE SMALL EXAMPLES THAT YOU JUST GAVE ARE HELPFUL FOR PUTTING IN OUR MINDS THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR AS SYMPTOMS OF AN UNHEALTHY ORGANIZATION. AND I KNOW YOU HAD SOME THOUGHTS, OVERALL THOUGHTS FOR YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO DODGE. SO I THINK THIS IS ALL GREAT. I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO IT. IN GOVERNMENT, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES. WE ALWAYS WILL. AND THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET AWAY FROM MOST LIKELY. SO A LOT OF IT IS JUST PRIORITIZING, RIGHT? IT'S WHAT DO YOU WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT? IS IT THE PEOPLE? IS IT THE EQUIPMENT? IS IT THE NEW SYSTEM WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT? IT'S ALWAYS HAVING TO SHUFFLE. WHAT PRIORITY IS THE MOST BENEFICIAL? I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF ADVANTAGES THAT WE CAN GAIN FOR TECHNOLOGY, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIRE THREE NEW PEOPLE, BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY CAN MAKE IT DONE IN THE THREE. YOU ALREADY HAVE. A LOT OF OUR JOBS ARE NOT THAT WAY. THEY ARE ON THE STREET. THEY ARE OUT PUBLICLY. YOU CAN'T REPLACE THAT WITH A ROBOT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO WEIGH AS WELL. BUT I THINK THE MORE WE CAN COME UP WITH BENCHMARKS AND THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF WHAT ARE THOSE REPORT CARD ITEMS, ARE WE PERFORMING WELL? AND THOSE

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ADDING INTERNAL SERVICES IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF YOU CAN'T JUST HIRE A 10TH OF AN ACCOUNTANT OR A 10TH OF AN HR PERSON, RIGHT? BUT OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS YOU MIGHT NEED ONE. SO MAKING A PLAN FOR THAT SO THAT WE HAVE PLANS FOR THOSE GROWTH NEEDS. AND THEN AS WE GROW IN INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE CUSTOMER NEEDS. THOSE THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGESTIBLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE METRICS THAT YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE'VE ADDED 10,000 CUSTOMERS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THIS MUCH MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, OR WE KNOW WHERE THE CITY HAS GROWN AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED FOR THOSE GROWTH. SO TO DATE, WE HAVE BEEN LIMITED IN OUR ABILITY TO HAVE DECISION MAKING LEVEL DATA FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LIMITED IN OUR STAFFING ABILITY. HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN HIRE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WHOSE TITLE IS BUDGET ANALYST YEAR ROUND, RIGHT? NOBODY HAS THAT TITLE. AND SOMETIMES WE SIT HERE DREAMING UP THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WOULD LOOK FOR THOSE PEOPLE, AND WE HAVE NONE OF THEM. BUT HOW MUCH OF MY QUESTION IS TO WHAT EXTENT DOES GRAVITY AND WILL WORKDAY HAVE THE ABILITY FOR AI TO CREATE TABLES AND CHARTS FOR US? BECAUSE ONE OF THE TABLES AND CHARTS, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SPEAK INTO THE AIR AND HAVE BE CREATED WOULD BE ONE WHERE I COULD SEE THE GROWTH IN IN POSITIONS OF CHRIST. NOW I'VE FORGOTTEN IT. I HAD IT IN MY HEAD. BUT BUT IT WAS WHEN WE WERE TALKING AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT, OH, NEVER MIND, I'LL, I'LL REMEMBER AND THEN WRITE IT DOWN AND TELL YOU. BUT I GUESS IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO KNOW BY DEPARTMENT HOW OUR, WHAT KIND OF FLUCTUATION WE'RE SEEING. IS IT WITHIN A NORM. HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO OTHER LIKE CITIES AND THEN. WE SAY TO OURSELVES, OKAY, WE'RE PERFORMING ON PAR OR WE'RE PERFORMING ON PAR, BUT WE COULD CUT THIS OR BUT WE HAVEN'T ADDED THAT AND IT WOULD JUST BE WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA IS I BUILT INTO WORKDAY? THERE IS I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT WE WHAT LEVEL WE BUILD, THE DATA WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT BECAUSE WE DON'T START COLLECTING IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT AT THE END. RIGHT. SO I THINK THOSE ARE THOSE KEY METRICS OF WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE AT THE END SO THAT WE BUILD THAT INTO HOW WE TRACK OUR DATA.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T TRACK THAT DATA, SORRY, ARE WE GOING TO PUT HISTORICAL DATA INTO THAT SYSTEM? SOME. YES. SO I GUESS COUNCIL MEMBERS NOW IS PROBABLY THE PERFECT TIME TO BE THINKING OF SOME OF THE DATA YOU WANT THAT WE CAN'T CURRENTLY PRODUCE, BUT LET THEM KNOW SO THAT THEY CAN BE SURE THAT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, THEY'RE THERE UPLOADING THE RIGHT HISTORICAL DATA. AND I THINK, BROOKS, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IN THE ANNUAL ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. THERE IS A CHART IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE STAFFING LEVELS BY DEPARTMENT. OVER THE LAST I THINK IT'S FIVE YEARS. IT'S TEN YEARS. PARDON ME, IT'S TEN YEARS. SO THAT IS IN THE AUDIT. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO UPDATE EVERY YEAR AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL AUDIT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT INTO LIKE A DATA SET TYPE OF A THING. BUT BUT IT IS AVAILABLE AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO UPDATE REGULARLY. I THINK IT'D BE HARD FOR US TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO OTHER CITIES IN A WAY THOUGH, BECAUSE WE ARE MORE COMPLICATED, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE MORE DIVISIONS AND DEPARTMENTS AND WE DO THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T. IT WOULD ALMOST BE SERVICES THAT WE'D HAVE TO COMPARE. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO SAY OUR EMPLOYEE COUNT IS LIKE TWO PER 1000 PEOPLE OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THROWING A NUMBER OUT THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T USE THAT METRIC. YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE WE DO SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS IN THE POWER COMPANY THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS. AND IT'S JUST WE'RE WE'RE NOT COMPARABLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES COMPARING WITH OURSELVES ACROSS TIME. YES.

COULD BE USEFUL. YES. AND SO THERE'S STILL VALUE IN HAVING DATA. WE JUST HAVE TO LIKE I AGREE WITH YOU FIND THE RIGHT COMPARABLES. AND I THINK COMING UP WITH THOSE BENCHMARKS THAT ARE VALUABLE TO EACH DEPARTMENT AND COMPARABLE ACROSS THE INDUSTRY. SO IF IT'S RESPONSE TIME FOR EMS OR IF IT'S LANE MILES PER, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT ONES FOR EVERY TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT WE ARE OPERATING. AND WHAT ARE THOSE ONES TO SHOW? ARE WE SHORT? ARE WE ABOVE.

WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE HITTING SO THAT WE CAN TARGET OUR BUDGETS TO MEET THOSE GOALS AND WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS? OR MAYBE WE NEED TO RAISE A RATE HERE AND WE CAN'T DO IT HERE. SO FIGURING OUT WHAT ARE THOSE DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. SO I THINK THOSE ARE SIGNS OF HEALTHINESS. WE HEARD SOME SIGNS OF UNHEALTHINESS, AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO BECOME EVEN SMARTER ABOUT UNHEALTHINESS SO THAT WE, AS LIAISONS CAN SPOT

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EQUIPMENT IS BEING CUT. YOU KNOW, ARE WE DOING MORE WITH LESS? YES. BECAUSE WE OPEN NEW STATIONS AND NOW WE HAVE TO MOVE OPERATIONAL PEOPLE AROUND. SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS ARE VERY DIFFICULT. BUT WE'RE ALL WE'RE ALL HERE FOR THE CITY AND THE DIRECTORS ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, TO USE OUR TERM, ONE CITY, ONE TEAM. AND WE WILL DIG IT, DIG IN AND BASICALLY FIND THE ANSWERS AND THE RESOURCES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO RUN. BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WE HAVE TO DOCUMENT FOR THE LEGISLATURE. AND THE BIG SIGN WOULD BE NOT JUST EXACTLY WHAT DWAYNE SAID, BUT BRYCE, THAT THERE'S THAT STATEMENT IN THIS BUDGET PUTTING PAUSE ON THE

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BECAUSE YOU CAN LIVE HAPPY AND NOT REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. BUT THE COPS GRANT NOT APPLYING FOR THAT. THAT'S A BIG IMPACT OF THE STAFFING PLAN, BUT WE KNEW WE DID NOT HAVE THE FUNDING GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, EVEN MEET THE MATCH NEEDED, LET ALONE THE ONGOING AT THE END WHERE IT'S I CAN'T REMEMBER THE IMPACT. IT WAS A MILLION AND A HALF OR SOMETHING.

AT THE END OF THE THREE YEAR GRANT. WE DIDN'T. WE KNEW WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY THIS YEAR TO BE ABLE TO COMMIT TO THAT. SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AT A DIFFERENT LENS, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT IT IS TOUGH BECAUSE IT'S IMPACTING THE DEPARTMENTS TRYING TO SUPPORT THE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED. BUT THE ONE THING I WOULD ALWAYS SAY ABOUT GRANTS IS PRETTY SPECIFIC TO GRANTS, WHETHER IT BE A GRANT OR WHATEVER. YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT AS, DO WE NEED TO ADD THIS OR DON'T WANT TO ADD IT? AND IF WE NEED TO ADD IT, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO ADD IT. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING FOR IT. AND THAT GRANT HELPS SOFTEN THAT. WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT GRANT. OH, WE CAN GET THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A GRANT FOR IT. IT WOULD BE REALLY NEAT. SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GRANTS, IN MY OPINION THE GRANT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE IT'S NOT LIKE A BONUS. IT'S WE REALLY NEED THIS. IF WE DID HAVE THE GRANT, WE'D STILL NEED IT AND WE WOULD COME UP WITH A WAY TO FINANCE IT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO.

AND YOU LOOK AT GRANT AS, OH, THAT'S GREAT. WE HAVE AN OFFSET TO ACTUALLY HELP US OUT. THAT'S THAT'S HOW WE TRY TO LOOK AT THOSE GRANTS. NO, THIS IS REALLY TEMPTING. I CAN GET A GRANT FOR THIS. OUR VICTIM ADVOCATE GRANT, YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT VICTIM ADVOCATE GRANT, RIGHT. IF YOU REALLY NEED A VICTIM ADVOCATE, I SHOULDN'T BRING THAT TO YOU. IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING. WE REALLY NEED THIS, AND WE'VE GOT THIS WAY TO PAY FOR IT. ALSO, THAT CAN HELP ON DIRECTORS. WHEN YOU TALK, GO AHEAD AND USE YOUR MIX. YOU'RE NOT USED TO IT, BUT GO AHEAD AND DO IT. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE FACT THAT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS VERY SIMILAR TO HOW, ONCE UPON A

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THE ONLY WEIRD THING ABOUT THAT, IN MY MIND, IS I THINK FOR A LOT OF WHAT WE DO, IT'S NOT JUST OUR GROWTH THAT MATTERS. AND IDAHO FALLS, WHERE WE'RE REGIONAL. IF YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE VALLEY, THOSE PEOPLE ARE SHOPPING HERE. THEY'RE HAVING HEART ATTACKS, THEY'RE HAVING CAR ACCIDENTS, THEY'RE HAVING. SO IT'S NOT JUST OUR GROWTH, BUT IT'S REGIONAL GROWTH THAT'S IMPACTING A LOT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND EVEN OUR PARKS AND REC PROGRAMS, TOO. SO BUT I THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE THERE. IT'S JUST AN IDEA. HEY, WHAT DO WE WANT TO AGREE ON? BUT THAT BENCHMARKING HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND JUST A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A POSITIVE NOTE. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT ARE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE TOOLBOX. ONE OF THOSE THINGS, A FEW YEARS AGO, WE DID THE PUBLIC SAFETY PACKAGE WHERE WE USED THE 1% FOREGONE, AND WE SPECIFICALLY TOLD THE PUBLIC, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE 1% FOREGONE. AND IT WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY PACKAGE. WE'VE DONE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER THINGS. YOU KNOW WHAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT MADE EARLIER? GROWTH AND ANNEXATION. YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT THAT SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO GROWTH. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SETTING THAT ASIDE. BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DID IN THE TOOLBOX, IN ADDITION TO POSITION CONTROL, IS THAT WE ACTUALLY SET ASIDE THOSE ONE TIME FUNDS INTO A SEPARATE ACCOUNT, IF YOU WILL, OR IT WAS REALLY A FUND THAT IT WAS A DESIGNATED. SO IT DIDN'T INADVERTENTLY GET ABSORBED INTO A DEPARTMENT'S OPERATING BUDGET. IF YOU RECALL, ONE TIME WAS APPROVED AND WE SET ASIDE THOSE FUNDS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT WE TOLD COUNCIL WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON. AND BY SETTING ASIDE THAT MONEY JUST DIDN'T INADVERTENTLY GET ROLLED INTO SOMEONE'S OPERATIONS BUDGET INADVERTENTLY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO, BUT I WOULD CONCUR WITH WITH WHAT DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON SAID, AS WELL AS WHAT CHIEF NELSON HAS SAID, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN AHEAD, AND WE DO HAVE SOME TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX THAT WE HAVE AT SOME INSTANCES ALONG THE WAY IMPLEMENTED. BUT THERE ARE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE LONG TERM PLANNING. AND THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF WHERE THAT PAID OFF WAS WHERE YOU IDENTIFIED THE $2 MILLION FROM ONE TIME PROJECTS

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LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS PROJECTED HEALTH INSURANCE AT 20%, BUT IT ACTUALLY CAME IN AT 9.9. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT. SO IT WAS THE IT WAS THE BUDGETED 2025 BUDGET THAT WAS HIGH. SO IT WAS HALF MAYBE HALF OF THAT. AND SO THE INCREASE WASN'T NINE IT WAS SIX OKAY.

YES. THANK YOU A SMALL HEART ATTACK. BUT NO NO NO NO IT GAVE ME A LITTLE HEART ATTACK I'M SORRY FOR CAUSING THAT FOR YOU, BUT THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT, YEAH. SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING OUR OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. SO 22 THROUGH OUR CURRENT PROPOSED BUDGET, THE COST OF OUR PERSONNEL. THIS IS PERSONNEL BENEFITS, ALL OF OUR SEASONALS, TAXES. IT'S ALL THINGS INCLUDED.

THIS ALSO IS CLOTHING RELATED TO EMPLOYEES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS THE TOP SECTION IS OUR PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED. SO NOT EVEN THE FULLY TAX SUPPORTED. SO THIS INCLUDES STREETS. IT INCLUDES RECREATION AND LIBRARY ON TOP OF OUR GENERAL FUND. OUR CURRENT INCREASE FOR PERSONNEL FOR THOSE PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED IS 5%. AND THAT'S MADE UP OF THE 3% COLA. AND THEN SOME OF THE STEP AND GRADE FOR THE MOST PART. AND THEN THE BENEFIT CHANGES. OUR OTHER GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS HAVE INCREASED 6.4%. AND THEN OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS HAVE INCREASED BY 0.7% FOR PERSONNEL.

SO THAT'S JUST A SUPER HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF THOSE PERSONNEL CHANGES. I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT WHAT ACTUAL FTES WERE. I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO GIVE IT TO ME NOW, BUT MOVING THOSE SAME VERSUS THE APPROVED CALENDAR. SO 802 APPROVED. I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE DURING I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS 750 TO. YEAH. NO. LIKE RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE 760 FTE CURRENTLY FULL TIME EMPLOYEES HIRED IN THEIR JOBS DOING THEIR WORK. WE'VE GOT APPROVED 802 POSITIONS. IT USUALLY HOVERS SOMEWHERE IN THAT RATIO. SO IF I WENT BACK TO 22 WITH THE ACTUALS, BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT. 760 NO, BECAUSE THE FTES WERE PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE 700 THEN. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEE IS DO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE, OR IS IT JUST THAT THE COST OF THE SAME PEOPLE THIS KEEPS GOING UP OR SOME COMBINATION? IT'S A COMBINATION.

YEAH. AND I'M TRYING TO GET A FIX ON THAT RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE IT'S NOT. YEAH. OKAY. SO. WE NEED. OKAY. SO WE KIND OF ALREADY COVERED THESE I MEANT TO PULL THESE OUT OF THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET CHANGES BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE INCLUDED SOME ARE NOT. THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF FTE REQUESTS. OUR GENERAL FUND ONES ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. THE ENTERPRISE WATER POWER, THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THEIR BUDGETS BECAUSE THEY HAVE FEES TO SUPPORT THEM. BUT IT'S A MUNICIPAL SERVICES UTILITY. BILLING CUSTOMER SERVICE REP.

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAS INVESTMENT FOR A PLANNER, POLICE, A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, PUBLIC WORKS, A GIS TECHNICIAN, PARKS CEMETERY MAINTENANCE OPERATOR, AND A ZOOKEEPER. SO MY ACCOUNT IS FIVE FROM EACH FUND. BUT PJ, I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY, IS HIGHER WOULD WORK BOTH IN THE ZOO AND IN THE CEMETERY. NO. SO IT'S TWO SEPARATE TWO HARD. BUT YES, BUT I'D ACTUALLY LIKE EXCUSE ME, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO RETRACT THAT ONE FOR THE FOR THE CEMETERY, JUST FOR OUR FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. JUST SO BE OKAY WITH THAT. WITH THAT ONE. ONE QUESTION IF I COULD. YOU BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER AND I THOUGHT WE'D RESOLVED IT, BUT WE'LL DO THIS WHILE WE HAVE ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THERE. SO GIS IS FUNDED BY ENTERPRISE GROUPS, HALF BY POWER, HALF BY PUBLIC WORKS. SO ONE EIGHTH FOR GET TECHNICAL. ONE EIGHTH OF THAT POSITION IS FROM STREETS. SO MAYBE 1/16 OF THEIR SALARY IS TAX DRIVEN. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S LISTED AS A GENERAL FUND EXPENSE OR AS AN ENTERPRISE EXPENSE. BUT WOULD THAT BE A TRANSFER OR WITH THE COST ALLOCATION? IT'S DONE THROUGH COST ALLOCATION. BUT THE IMPACT TO OUR PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED. SO STREETS IS 13,380 FOR THAT POSITION. SO WHEN WE GO INTO DETAIL ON THE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS THERE'S DOLLARS ASSIGNED TO THESE ITEMS. AND THEN ALSO THE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS 100% FUNDED BY THE UTILITIES. SO OUR

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THANK YOU. AND IF I COULD CLARIFY ON THE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE, JUST IN CASE, WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, THAT ACTUAL POSITION WAS ACTUALLY REVIEWED WITH DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON AND GENERAL MANAGER PRAIRIE PRIOR TO THE REQUEST. AND THERE WAS SUPPORT OF THAT.

AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE GROWTH OF CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING AND PHONE CALLS AND WALK INS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO WE DID HAVE A WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION. WE DID GET SUPPORT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO HELP PAY FOR THAT POSITION. AND JUST IN CASE IT DOESN'T COME UP WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE WILL BE TIME FOR GOING THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT'S REQUESTS TO THE EXTENT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS COMING UP. BUT DIRECTORS DON'T DON'T FEEL DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO TRY TO PREPARE PRESENTATION.

JUST BE AVAILABLE AS A RESOURCE. BUT IS THAT FAIR, AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. YES.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK FOR EVERY EVERY ONE OF THOSE, WE WOULD HAVE THAT DIRECTOR SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED NOT NEED. WE EXPECT OR WANT AN EXPLANATION OF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LONG, BUT WHAT WHAT THE IDEA IS BEHIND THE PERSON AND THE FUNDING SOURCE. YEAH. CORRECT. THE NEED, THE FUNDING SOURCE AND ANYTHING UNIQUE AND BUT ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE WANT TO DO THAT. BUT BUT THAT WAS WHAT WHEN WE WERE THINKING OF GOING THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THIS SLIDE.

SHOULD WE JUST GO THROUGH IT AND DO GET THIS INFORMATION IN OUR HEADS NOW. YEP. TIME WISE I THINK WE CAN FIT IT IN. I MEAN, THEN WE HAVE TO CALL THEM BACK TO GET THEIR OTHER REQUESTS CORRECT. I DON'T CARE WHETHER WE DO IT BY DEPARTMENT OR BY PERSONNEL. DOES IT MATTER TO ANYONE ON COUNCIL? NO, I'D RATHER DO IT BY DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE PARTLY I THINK THIS THIS MIGHT BE ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALL GENERAL FUND IMPACT AS I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, BECAUSE I THOUGHT, OH, THIS IS ALL GENERAL FUND. OH, THIS IS A LOT OF PART. BUT IT ISN'T ALL GENERAL FUND MONEY. DOES THAT MAKE. YEAH.

YEAH. SO I'D RATHER SEE IT AGAIN IN A DEPARTMENT OKAY. YEAH. GREAT. SO WE CAN DO BUT WE'RE NOT DOING DEPARTMENT PRESENTATIONS. RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MAKING ASKING DIRECTORS

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[Finance Team ]

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

ALL RIGHT. IT'S SIMILAR TO PULLING OUT THE CAPITAL. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A INCREASE. OKAY. THEN WE PULLED TOGETHER. THIS IS ALL OF OUR PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEPARTMENTS. AND IT'S FIVE YEARS WORTH OF HISTORY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM IT'S EACH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT THAT'S PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED. SO WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS IT INCLUDES STREETS NOT JUST THEIR ENGINEERING GIS TEAMS AND GIFT PARKS IS PARKS AND RECREATION.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST IN GENERAL IN THERE. BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SWING OF WHAT THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE. OBVIOUSLY OUR POLICE AND FIRE AND PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS MAKE UP THE BULK OF OUR SPENDING OF OUR PROPERTY TAXES. THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. YOU'LL SEE A BIG EXCUSE ME, YOU'LL SEE A BIG CHANGE ON POLICE AND FIRE FROM 22 TO 23. THAT IS AN ACCOUNTING ISSUE RELATED TO LEASES. SO THE BIG JUMP IS ACTUALS RELATED TO LEASES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WHEN A LEASE IS ISSUED YOU HAVE TO BOOK THE WHOLE THING ESSENTIALLY AS A FOOD ISSUE DEBT. THEN YOU'LL SEE WITH FIRE YOU'LL SEE IT RELATIVELY FLAT AND THEN A BIG JUMP. THAT'S THE IMPACT OF THE

[02:45:05]

WE HAVEN'T SPENT THAT MUCH PROPERTY TAX MONEY, SO. YEAH, THEY ARE NOT FULLY FUNDED BY THE PROPERTY. AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE FEES AND THINGS AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT HEAVILY RELY ON PROPERTY TAXES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR BRAIN STORMS THAT YOU HAVE AS

[02:50:01]

YEAH. SO I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THESE NUMBERS FOR A WHILE. I'M IMPRESSED THAT WE CAN CHOOSE A GIVEN DEPARTMENT OUT THERE. AND SOMEBODY AT THAT TABLE AND ADDING THEM, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY KNOW THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO LOOK THEM UP. SO I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED. TWO YEARS AGO WE DID IT ON THE STAGE AT THE CIVIC. YEAH, THAT WAS MY FIRST YEAR. I'VE BEEN HERE TWO. AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS OVER DINNER. I MEAN, IF YOUR HUSBAND MUST THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLE, I THINK YES HE DOES. BROOKS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU SEE HERE THAT POPS OUT THAT AS A BUDGET PERSON, YOU THINK THAT LAY BUDGET PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW? NO, I THINK I THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE AS KIND OF LIKE WE SAID, WHAT IS THAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS ALLOCATED FOR EACH DIVISION SO THAT THEY CAN LIVE WITHIN THE MEANS THAT THEY'RE GIVEN? AND NOW IT'S KIND OF EVERYBODY HAS TO FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN RIGHT. AND IT'S A DIFFICULT WAY TO HAVE TO MANAGE YOUR BUDGET BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW. DO I FIND A PERSON RIGHT NOW OR DO I GET A VEHICLE OR SO I THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO SAY, HERE IS THE AMOUNT WE HISTORICALLY FUND OF THE ZOO, OR HERE'S HOW MUCH WE FUND OF THE BY EACH OF THOSE GENERAL FUNDS. SO STATE SHARED PROPERTY TAXES LIKE WHAT'S EACH DEPARTMENT'S ALLOCATION. I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN WHEN THEY'RE PREPARING THEIR BUDGET. INSTEAD OF, I'M GOING TO THROW IT ALL IN THERE AND SEE WHAT STICKS, BECAUSE THAT CAN BE TRICKY PLACE TO MANAGE FROM. AND THEN THIS YEAR WE JUST HAVE WE HAVE THE TIGHT BUDGET. SO YOU ARE SEEING DIFFERENT TRENDS THAN WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE AS JUST KIND OF AGRIPPINA. FOR THOSE PROPERTY TAX DEPARTMENTS, IS THERE ANYTHING VISUALLY THAT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL? I THIS WAS I AM A NUMBERS PERSON. I'D RATHER LOOK AT THOUSANDS OF LINES OF DATA. SO PUTTING IT VISUALLY TOGETHER IS NOT MY FORTE. BUT IF JUST THINKING, IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO REPRESENT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT? IF IT'S WHAT'S THE CURRENT COST OR THE OPERATING COSTS VERSUS CAPITAL PERCENTAGE TRENDS VERSUS JUST BARS? I'D LIKE THIS GRAPH HERE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IN A IN A PERCENTAGE. BUT I MEAN I CAN GO DO THAT MYSELF IF YOU DON'T. BUT IT'S JUST THOSE ARE THOSE ARE TOTALS. BUT I THINK TO DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON. SORRY. PAGE 17. I THINK TO HIS POINT THAT IT'S 1234. YEAH. YES. SLIDE 1334. YEAH. WE COULD WE COULD ADD THE PERCENT CHANGE THAT PERCENTAGE. IT'S LIKE THEN YOU'RE WITHIN A PERCENTAGE. IT'S HARD TO DO THOSE I MEAN YEAH. WELL YEAH. AND IN FACT WHETHER WE LOOK AT SLIDE 34 OR SLIDE 35, IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND. AND MAYBE PEOPLE CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND. IT FEELS AS THOUGH HERE WE ARE PROPOSING A TIGHTER BUDGET AND IT'S A SMIDGE TIGHTER THAN LAST YEAR. LET'S LOOK AT 35. THE ORANGE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS SMALLER THAN LAST YEAR, BUT LAST YEAR, THE CURRENT YEAR THAT WE'RE IN, THERE'S QUITE A BIT BIGGER THAN THE 23 OR THE 24 ACTUALS. ARE WE ARE THESE GIANT ORANGE BARS COMPARED TO RELATIVE THE FIRST THREE? THE LAST TWO ARE BIGGER. ARE THEY A BECAUSE ONE IS PROPOSED AND ONE IS FROM A NON CLOSED OUT YEAR. THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE ARE BIG EXPLANATIONS FOR ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAD MONSTROUS GROWTH LAST YEAR THAT THAT ESCAPED ME. CORRECT. OKAY. PART OF IT IS THAT IT'S BUDGETED. IT'S ALSO ON THE CHANGE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 25 CHANGE TO 26 FOR THAT CURRENT OPERATING, THAT'S THE ORANGE.

THE LARGER ORANGE ONE WENT DOWN. YEAH. THAT IS THE BIG CHANGE OF DIRECTLY ALLOCATING TO DEPARTMENTS RATHER THAN THE ALLOCATION THAT HAS TO DIRECTLY ALLOCATED TO OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THOSE SERVICES. SO THEY NO LONGER HAVE THAT EXPENSE IN THEIR BUDGET. IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY IT'S SHOWN. OKAY. AND OUR PERSONNEL COSTS ACTUALLY FOR THE LAST. ALL OF THE FIRST YEAR, I'M JUST EYEBALLING IT SEEM PRETTY CONSTANT. SO I THINK ANOTHER CHALLENGE AND IT'S MORE AN ISSUE I THINK WITH SLIDE 36 IS THE THOSE ONE TIME EXPENSES WHEN YOU SORT OF MENTIONED THE BOILER AND PARKS AND REC. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR BUDGET IS GROWN, YOU KNOW, BY X AMOUNT. AND PARKS AND REC HAS A BIG BUDGET AS IT IS. BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO PULL OUT SORT OF THOSE ONE TIME FROM ONGOING OPERATING. THERE MAY BE THAT MIGHT BE BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THAT ONE TIME MONEY, AS YOU SAID, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ONGOING. THEY WON'T HAVE IT NEXT YEAR. RIGHT.

YEAH. THOSE THINGS I MEAN BECAUSE THE ERP LIKE YOU KNEW LIKE, OH THIS IS GOING TO LIKE

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LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PERSONNEL COSTS AND SEE IF THEY'RE GROWING REALLY FAST AND CHECK OURSELVES THERE. LET'S LOOK AT OUR CAPITAL AND THAT ONE WE HAVE A LOT MORE INTEREST IN BUT NOT ALARMED BY BECAUSE IT'S PLANNING AND EXECUTING, BUT IT'S REALLY DONE. AND THEN LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OUR, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DIFFERENT COLORS. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW IT SLICES AND DICES BY COLOR RATHER THAN BY DEPARTMENT OR FUND. I DON'T KNOW, JUST OTHER WAYS OF HELPING US TO BE SAVVY ABOUT CATCHING THINGS. I KNOW THAT WE LOOK AT FROM ALL ANGLES, RIGHT? AND I WILL SAY BEFORE SHE CLOSED THE LAPTOP, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT PIVOT TABLES. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT SHE CAN DO WITH THE DATA. I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE CAN BREAK DOWN SOME OF THE ONE TIME STUFF, BECAUSE THIS YEAR IS OUR FIRST YEAR THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A DESIGNATED ACCOUNT FOR ALL THOSE, BUT IT'S PALAVELA. SO THERE YOU GO. BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE A STAFF OF EIGHT ANALYSTS TO HELP HER. SO THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO OTHER THAN GOING BACK TO SOME INFORMATION YOU HAVE PREPARED THAT WE COULD DO NOW OR LATER, LATER NEXT WEEK WITH THE

[All Participants]

BUT IT'S STILL OKAY. I MEAN, LIKE LAST YEAR, THEY DID COME AND SIT RIGHT HERE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE INVITED THEM TO WHEN WE NEEDED TO DEEP DIVE WITH THEM. YEAH, I WOULD EXPECT THAT KIND OF THAT SAME THING IF YOU'RE EXPECTING OKAY. NOT NOT A PRESENTATION. NO NOT A CDS AND THEN AIRPORT AND THEN. NO, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE I DON'T WANT TO TURN AROUND AND LIKE, YEAH LIKE HAVE THAT. IT'S JUST EASIER TO ASK THE QUESTIONS IN THE, IN THE CIRCLE THAN IN THE. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL YEAH, NOT A PRESENTATION. AND WE HAVE THE DETAILS BY DEPARTMENT.

SO WE COULD DO IT SYSTEMATICALLY GOING THROUGH THAT. IT'S IN THE SAME FORMAT AS LAST YEAR WHERE WE'VE GOT HERE'S THE ASK, HERE'S THE OFFSETTING REVENUES IS EXPECTED. AND THEN WHAT'S KIND OF REMAINING AND THEN WHAT FUNDING SOURCES WE HAVE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE. SO WE CAN TOGGLE THAT ON AND OFF FOR THE EVENING. THAT'S THAT'S WORKS. SUPER SUPER WORKSHEET. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT WENT OVER REALLY WELL. SO THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BUILD OUR QUESTIONS UP THESE PAGES. SO YOU GAVE US TODAY OKAY I DID GET FEEDBACK I MISSED AN ITEM FROM DIRECTOR SANDER. THEY ALSO ARE ASKING FOR SOME PERMITTING PROCESS FOR 40 TO 60,000. THAT'S ONE THAT'S MISSING ON THEIR OKAY. AND I WILL GIVE THE CAVEAT. WE ONLY GAVE THIS TO DIRECTORS YESTERDAY NIGHT, SO THEY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF CHANCE TO MAKE SURE WE'VE INCLUDED EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR. SO THERE COULD BE TWEAKS TO THAT AS WELL. AND THEN BROOKS, HOW WILL WE WHEN WILL WE SEE THE UPDATE SO THAT THE BUDGET DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S $500 MILLION. LIKE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT THAT PROBABLY WON'T BE EVEN NEXT WEEK. THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE THE NEXT BUDGET TUESDAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ENGAGE GRAVITY IN THAT. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE SOMETIMES REALLY RESPONSIVE, LIKE THE SAME DAY. BUT THIS IS A BIGGER CHANGE. SO IT MIGHT TAKE A BIT OKAY. OKAY.

SO IN THE MEANTIME WE WOULD CAUTION ANYONE TO NOT TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS BASED ON WHAT THEY SEE IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE NUMBERS OR THE GROWTH IN OUR REVENUES, BECAUSE IT'S FRAUGHT WITH THE NEED FOR LOTS OF EXPLANATION. SO JUST DON'T LOOK AT IT YET. WITH THAT SAID, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE A DRAFT, BUT IT'S A ROUGH DRAFT FROM THE WEEKEND. WORKS TEAMS PRETTY MUCH WORKED ALL WEEKEND ON IT, AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK IN A PLATFORM THAT TURN THINGS OFF, LOAD THINGS IN THAT TYPE OF THING. NOW, I DID SEE BROOKS

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SO MY POINT IS, NO MATTER WHAT WE COME UP WITH, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS ABOUT THE SAME. SO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT NUMBER AM I CORRECT. WELL IT WOULDN'T BE DOLLAR AMOUNT BECAUSE THAT'S DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS THE MAXIMUM WE CAN. RIGHT OKAY. BUT BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUY THE POLICIES WE PUT IN PLACE IN THE ORDINANCE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FINAL OUTCOME, THE WE'RE GOING TO MASSAGE IT WITHIN THAT NUMBER.

IS THAT. YEAH. I DON'T REALLY THINK WE HAVE. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY WORK THAT WE STILL NEED TO DO ON. I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GOING TO PUT MONEY FROM IMPACT FEES INTO, LIKE, IF WE DID, OH, WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT 30% OF THIS HOUSING PROJECT, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO FIND THAT MONEY FROM GENERAL FUND. BUT I THINK WE'VE DECIDED, WELL, WE HAVEN'T MADE THE DECISION, BUT WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS TAKING THAT OUT OF THE ORDINANCE ALTOGETHER.

SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT COULD AFFECT THE BUDGET IS BECAUSE ARE WE GOING TO PUT SOME KIND OF SMALL AMOUNT OF REPLACEMENT? RIGHT, SO THAT ONE WOULD GET THROWN TO CATHERINE AND PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, YOU WON'T BE PRESENT WHEN WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE 28TH. AND WHEN WE DO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN AUGUST, WE WILL HAVE WE'RE ALREADY TOO FAR ALONG TO CHANGE OUR BUDGET AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE PAST THE ADOPTION OF THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET. AND SO HAVE YOU IN YOUR BUDGET PUT ANY MONEY ASIDE IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS CONVERSATION FOR A HOUSING, LOW IMPACT, LOW INCOME HOUSING OR PROJECTS? NO. WE CAME UP WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BUDGET, SO

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NO, NOT RELATED TO IMPACT FEES, BUT JUST RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE 15TH AND ON THE 22ND. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T FINISHED THE LIST, BUT I WILL GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. SO IMPACT FEES I'M ONLY GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT VERY LIMITED MULTIYEAR COMMITMENTS.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE THAT THAT I'M NOT SURE HOW WE PULLED THAT OUT FROM REGULAR BUDGET REQUESTS AND HOW WE PULL IT OUT FROM PRIORITIES. BUT DO YOU HAVE A MULTIYEAR COMMITMENTS COLUMN? YEAH. WE'RE NO, IT'S NOT A COLUMN. IT'S ITS OWN SCHEDULE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL PROVIDE AS WELL THIS WEEK. SO WE'LL COVER THAT. SO THAT'S THINGS LIKE I CRIMP OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PROVIDER OUR DEBT OUR LEASES OKAY. THOSE THINGS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL EVERY SINGLE TIME. ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER BULLET IS COUNCIL PRIORITIES. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT CURRENT YEAR PRIORITIES. WE CAN TALK ABOUT UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR PRIORITIES.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR BY PRIORITIES. BUT THAT'S NOT A WORKSHEET THAT YOU HAVE BECAUSE THOSE WILL HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET REQUESTS. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND MOST OF THE COUNCIL PRIORITY MEETING OF THOSE NEEDS DIDN'T HAVE FINANCIAL IMPACT. SO IT WAS ABSORBED INTO ONGOING OPERATIONS. MOST OR MOST OF THOSE WORK. SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT DON'T HAVE A FISCAL IMPACT, DO YOU WANT TO SPEND BUDGET TUESDAY TIME ON THAT, OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES THAT HAVE A FISCAL ASPECT TO THEM IN THE COMING YEAR? I'D LIKE TO SEE AN UPDATE ON THE PRIORITIES THAT WE ALLOCATED THIS YEAR THAT DID HAVE FISCAL IMPACT FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET, LIKE THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING. I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE A THEY'RE ALL OUTSTANDING. AND THAT'S THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THE MISMATCH THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN OUR PLANNING YEAR, OUR BUDGET YEAR, FISCAL YEAR AND OUR PRIORITIES, WHICH ARE ALIGNED TO THE FISCAL YEAR, IT'S JUST, WELL, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I CAN THINK OF ONE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND MAYBE THAT'S THE ONLY ONE IS LIKE THE LANDSCAPING ONE, BUT THE LOW WATER ONE THAT DIFFERENT DIRECTORS ALL CONTRIBUTED SOME MONEY LAST YEAR TO. YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S JUST ONE OF THEM. WELL, MAYBE YOU BETWEEN YOU AND ME, WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A THEME THERE THAT SUGGESTS THAT WE TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS, OR IF IT'S HOW WE WANT TO PRESENT. OKAY. THEN THE NEXT ONE IS CAPITAL REQUESTS. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE MEANT BY THAT. THAT WON'T BE SHOWING UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT'S THOSE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S ALREADY CHECKED OFF.

OTHER REQUESTS NOT YET CONSIDERED. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS IN THAT REVIEW PRIORITY. I THINK THAT MAYBE REQUESTS THAT WERE CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE CUTTING WE DID EARLIER, AND THAT IF THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER, WE GO BACK AND REVISIT THEM. OKAY, I LIKE YOUR OPTIMISM. OKAY. AND THEN SO THEN LISA IT'S YOUR NOW IT'S YOURS. TAKE IT AWAY ON WHATEVER YOU WERE THINKING. WELL IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL I JUST I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT AN ENTIRE AFTERNOON TO MANAGE THAT PARTICULAR AGENDA.

SO I WAS JUST THINKING MAYBE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO RECONSIDER. THE KIND OF THE START TIME. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO CONDENSE THE TWO BUDGET TUESDAYS. I DON'T THINK WE'LL NEED ONE ON THE 29TH, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE WANTED TO CONSIDER A DIFFERENT TIME ON THE 15TH, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE YOU MANAGED TO GIVE US SUCH A GOOD AMOUNT OF INFORMATION. THAT WAS ALL IT WAS, JUST HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED? I'M GOING TO THROW THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY. I PERSONALLY, I LOVE CONSISTENCY AND GETTING DONE EARLY, SO

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OH, OKAY. SO YOU'RE FLEXIBLE, LISA. YOU'RE THINKING IT'S MORE COMPACT TO TRY TO SMUSH IT.

WELL, WE RUN THE RISK OF GOING OVER 5 P.M, BUT YEAH, THAT'S FINE. IT'S FINE TO. BUT I'M OKAY WITH STARTING. I FELT LIKE JUST KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE THOSE SPREADSHEETS READY TO GO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST KIND OF TALKING. IT'S REALLY FIRM. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S MY PERSONALITY. IT'S JUST SO. FUN. AND LET'S START AT ONE. IS MICHELLE'S ALREADY BUDGETED FOR 1:00 AND THEN WE'LL GET OUT EARLY. YEAH. GREAT. OKAY. SO WE'LL START AT 1 P.M. LUNCH WILL BE OUT AT 1230. PERFECT. IS THAT OKAY, EVERYBODY? JOHN, ARE YOU ON BY ANY CHANCE. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? HE'S HE'S NOT ON THERE. HE'S GOT HE'S WATCHING HE'S WATCHING THE LIVE FEED BUT HE'S NOT COMMUNICATIVE OKAY. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION TO ASK EVERYBODY IS THERE ANY OTHER DATA, ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT US TO BE PREPARED WITH OR TO THINK ABOUT INFORMATION YOU NEED? I FEEL LIKE NEXT WEEK IS YET ANOTHER GATHERING SESSION, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD BE THE 15TH OR THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THAT QUESTION THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO, AND I DO NOW THAT WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT ONE TIME MONEY AND FOREGONE, AS WELL AS THE 1%. SO IF WE TAKE A LITTLE BIT THERE, WE CAN DEFRAY THE IMPACT ON THE STREETS DEPARTMENT. SO WE HAD TO MAKE A MAJOR CUT FOR PAYMENTS. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO EXPLORE HOW FAR WE CAN GO BEFORE WE'RE STILL WE'RE GETTING TOWARD THE 8%. LIKE IF WE'RE THINKING, OKAY, LET'S JUST STOP AT SEVEN AND A HALF BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE CUSHION IN THERE DEPENDING ON WHAT WE END UP WITH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO WE CAN DO 1% OF THE FOREGONE FOR ONGOING AND UP TO 3% FOR ONE TIME. I DON'T THINK WE COULD I THINK WE MIGHT GO TO THE 8%. WHAT'S THE ONE TIME PROJECT YOU WANT TO. I WANT TO HELP BECAUSE WITH PUBLIC WORKS, CHRIS, ABOUT WHAT WAS THE IMPACT OF THE CUT WE'VE HAD TO MAKE ON STREETS TO FIGURE OUT OUR BUDGET BASED ON THE CHANGE THIS YEAR? AND IT'S 1.6, I THINK. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S MAINTENANCE. SO THAT FROM POTHOLES TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT KEEPS THE STREETS IN NICE, THAT'S A BIG LUMP OF MONEY TO GIVE UP ON. IF WE CAN GET HALF 1 MILLION OR 600,000 BACK INTO THAT FUND, IT'LL HELP THIS NEXT YEAR. KEEP THE MAINTENANCE AT IT, BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ONE TIME MONEY. WE COULD USE THAT ONE TIME STREET UPDATE, BUT THEN IT'S STILL A ONE TIME. IT'S GOING TO BE GONE NEXT YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT THE NEXT YEAR. BUT IT'S FOR A PROJECT THAT'S FOR ONE YEAR. THE STREET MAINTENANCE JUST I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO FUND THE WHOLE THING, BUT 1.6 MILLION IS A BIG CUT FOR STREET.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THERE AT ALL. AND IT'S PAINFUL. THE ONLY THING TO JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT NOT ONLY IS IT ONLY AVAILABLE FOR ONE TIME, IT BURNS IT. IT'S GONE. IT'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR PICKUP LATER, FOR THE 1% FOR THE NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? NO, NOT AUTOMATICALLY, BUT WE COULD VOTE FOR IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE. IF WE CAN DO BOTH, AT SOME POINT WE RUN OUT OF FOREGONE. AT SOME POINT THAT GOES DRY. I KNOW THAT THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. SO YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR ONE TIME EXPENSES, EXCEPT FOR THE PART THAT GOES INTO THE BASE. SO EVEN IF WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THAT STATE UNDER THE 8% AND GET ENOUGH TO HELP MAKE THAT CUT MUCH SMALLER, YES. IT JUST DOESN'T ADD TO THE BASE. SO, SO IN FUTURE YEARS. SO NEXT YEAR YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IT AGAIN. YEAH, THAT. MY ONLY POINT WAS SIMPLY THAT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU TAKE THAT, WHEN YOU DIP INTO THAT 3% RANGE, THAT MONEY NEVER GOES TO THE BASE AND IT GOES AWAY THAT THAT WAS JUST TO KEEP IT FOR LATER. USE AND THEN THE 1%. SO I HAVE REASONS TO THINK THAT THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST OPTION BASED ON FUTURE BODIES IN THE STATES. OKAY, I DO HAVE ONE BIT OF DATA. I UNDERSTAND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS ME THE AND I HAVE THAT THE COST OF PERSONNEL AND THEN SHOW ME THE GROWTH RATE IN THE ACTUAL WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES I WANT BECAUSE THE, THE ACTUALS ARE ACTUALS. SO THEY'RE BASED ON ACTUAL FTES, NOT PROJECTED. I MEAN NOT APPROVED ESTIMATE. SO PROBABLY THE ACTUAL WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEE IS, IS THAT RELATIONSHIP STAY LIKE THIS OR IS IT CREEPING UP ON IT OR YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE THAT GAP BETWEEN THOSE TWO. THANKS. AND HOW FAR

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SO NOW BEFORE WE SAY GOODBYE, ANY ANY OTHER BUDGET RELATED THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE IN THE ROOM? QUESTIONS, THINGS THAT WEREN'T CLEAR. ALL RIGHT THEN, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? WE DON'T COME TOGETHER AGAIN UNTIL THURSDAY GOING ON FOR THE NEXT TWO DAYS. ANY WEATHER ADVISORIES REALLY HOT OUT. ALL RIGHT. THIS HAS BEEN PRETTY SMOOTH AND PRODUCTIVE, EVEN WITH ME NOT KNOWING EVERYTHING I WANTED TO KNOW. SO ANYWAY, GREAT COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE ARE ADJOURNED AND SEE YOU THURSDAY NIGHT.

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