WE SEEM SO SCARY LOUD WHEN I'M UP THERE. BUT THAT WAS SOFT, WASN'T IT? WELCOME TO THE IDAHO 
          [Call to Order and Roll Call]
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FALLS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND INVITE OUR CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. JUST TO TAKE THE THUNDER AWAY FROM HER. WE HAVE COUNCILOR FRANCIS, OR. 
          EXCUSE ME, MADAM BRADFORD, WHO IS NOT PRESENT YET, BUT INTENDS TO JOIN US SHORTLY. WE HAD A COUPLE OF APPOINTMENTS THAT HE THOUGHT WERE RUN LONG. SO GET YOUR MINICAM. BUT WITH THAT, WE CALL THE ROLL TO FORMALLY ESTABLISH OUR QUORUM. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE. 
          COUNCILOR DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. FREEMAN HERE, COUNCILOR. FRANCIS HERE. 
          [Municipal Services, Mayor’s Office,  Police, Fire, Community  Development Services, Parks and  Recreation, and Public Works ]
COUNCILOR. LARSON HERE. MAYOR. YOU HAVE A QUORUM. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. SO THE VERY FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A CONVERSATION, ONE OF MANY THAT WILL THAT WE'RE WANTING TO HAVE ON THAT, ON ITEMS THAT RELATE TO OUR IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE AND OUR THE STUDY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO UPDATE OUR CURRENT IMPACT FEE PLANNING. AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THE TIME OVER TO THERE ARE MULTITUDE OF DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HERE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN IMPACT FEES. 
          BUT KIM IS OUR IMPACT ADMINISTRATOR. AND MARGARET, AS ANOTHER WHO'S COORDINATING THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS ARE HERE. AND ANYWAY, I'M JUST GOING TO TURN IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW TO INTRODUCE WHO OUR GUESTS ARE, WHO ARE LISTENING IN, AND WHO WE MAY HAVE ONLINE, PLEASE. YES. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. YES, WE DO HAVE COLIN FROM TISCHLER BICE JOINING US VIRTUALLY WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY NEED TO BE ANSWERED IN REGARDS TO METHODOLOGY OR CALCULATIONS. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THIS IS TO TALK ABOUT CAPITAL PLANS FOR IMPACT FEES, AND YOU'LL HAVE A PACKET AT YOUR DESK, AT YOUR SPOT, AT YOUR DESK, YOUR SPOT. AND THE ORDER IS IN, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL ORDER THAT YOU USUALLY HAVE. SO WE'VE GOT POLICE, FIRE, PARKS, TRANSPORTATION NOW, THE POLICE AND FIRE AND TRANSPORTATION SHOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR DRAFT IMPACT FEE STUDY. OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND OUR CONSULTANT WITH BRYCE DID A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK LAST, LAST, LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ON THE PARKS IMPACT FEES. AND SO YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON ON THAT PLAN. AND I THINK I PUT THAT ONE AT THE SECOND TO THE LAST. SO WITH THAT I HAVE COLIN ON THE VIRTUAL AND I WASN'T SURE WHERE YOU WANTED TO START. DID YOU JUST WANT TO START WITH THE. OH, THERE HE IS. DID YOU JUST WANT TO START WITH REVIEWING OR JUST ANSWERING OR ASKING ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE PLANS, OR DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE AND HAVE OUR COLLEAGUES COME UP AND TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THOSE LISTS? I DON'T HAVE A SENSE, BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE LAST CONVERSATION HAPPENED, BUT I'D LIKE THE LAST OPTION. OKAY. YEAH. GREAT COLLEAGUES COME UP. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, DO WE WANT TO START WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? YEAH. SO WE HAVE POLICE. BRYCE JOHNSON IS GOING TO JOIN US AT THE TABLE HERE. AND HE'S JUST GOING TO GO OVER WITH HIS HIS PROJECTS, HIS ARE PRETTY EASY. THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THEM. 
          BUT DO YOU WANT TO GO HOME. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD. OH OKAY. WHEREVER YOU WANT ME TO. 
          ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I'LL HAVE. AND I HAVE COLIN ON JUST IN CASE HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. SO THERE'S TWO PROJECTS. CAPITAL PROJECTS, AS YOU KNOW, IS THE COP DEBT REPAYMENT. AND THAT IS ON THE LIST OF IMPACT PROJECTS. AND THE IMPACT FEE OF COP IMPACT FEE IS RELATED TO GROWTH. AND SO WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OR SO. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEMS ARE THE VEHICLE POLICE VEHICLE ADDITIONS TO FLEET. RIGHT NOW THE UNIT IS 11 UNITS. WE'RE ANTICIPATING BETWEEN 1 AND 2 ANNUALLY. THE TOTAL COST IS ESTIMATED TO BE AT ABOUT 1,045,000. WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE VEHICLES COSTING ANYWHERE BETWEEN A LITTLE BETWEEN LIKE 65 TO $68,000. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS A LOT OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE POLICE RELATED HAVE SPECIALTY TYPES OF ABILITIES TO ENGINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO THERE IS A LEAD TIME IN ORDERING THOSE, AS WELL AS THE UPFIT OF THE ACTUAL VEHICLE ITSELF. SO EVERYTHING FROM THE HOMELESS CAGE. YEAH. YES. CAGE. CAGE. THE RADIO SYSTEM, THE LAPTOP SYSTEM, ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S OUTFITTED IN THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF. AND I BELIEVE THESE ARE FOR PATROL VEHICLES. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. AND I THINK THEY'RE 85, $95,000, NOT 65. THE 65. THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A COST. JUST A CAR PULL UP THAT YOU DIVIDE THAT MILLION 45 BY 
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THE 11. IT'S 95,000. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. I'M WAITING FOR YOU. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M REMEMBERING. RIGHT. WE ARE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE THESE VEHICLES OUTRIGHT. NOT LEAST THAT IS MY CORRECT. THESE WOULD BE PURCHASES. AND THEN ARE THEY AVAILABLE NOW? BECAUSE I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE AT THIS NUMBER. YES. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1 OR 2 PER YEAR BY 1 OR 2 PER YEAR. WHAT YOU CAN DO IS BUY 1516 PER YEAR. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING PURCHASES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE PER YEAR. WE CAN FIND THOSE CARS. YES OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I, I KNOW THAT WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET OR YOU'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET THE VEHICLES DOWN TO AN EIGHT YEAR ROTATION, SEVEN YEAR, EIGHT YEAR ROTATION. BUT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE HAVING CERTAIN VEHICLES THAT ARE. IMPACT BE PURCHASED VERSUS CITY PURCHASED TO BE ON DIFFERENT PLANS LIKE, OH, THESE ARE TEN YEAR PLANS, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE TEN YEARS IN ORDER TO BE ON A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS I UNDERSTAND THEM. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING ALL OF THE CARS BACK ON TEN YEAR AND TRYING TO GET IT TO? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, BUT BUT SO A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE. YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S A BIGGER QUESTION THAN WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO TODAY. BUT BUT A EIGHT YEAR POLICE PATROL VEHICLE IS A VERY OLD POLICE PATROL VEHICLE. IT'S AT THE END OF ITS LIFE CYCLE. WHEN WE WERE AT 11, 12 YEAR POLICE VEHICLES. I MEAN, AT THE TIME WE WENT AND DID SOME TOURS OF THOSE CARS. THEY HAD HOLES IN THE FLOORBOARD. IT'S GOT FLINTSTONES WHERE YOU CAN LIFT UP THE CAR AND YOU USE YOUR FEET. YOU RUN. THESE AREN'T LIKE YOUR FAMILY CARS WHERE YOU DRIVE UNTIL THE WHEELS FALL OFF. THESE CARS GET DRIVEN REALLY HARD, SO BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION IS A SEVEN YEAR REPLACEMENT. AND WE COULDN'T GET THERE. SO WE'RE ALREADY GOING PAST WHAT THE WHAT THE TYPICAL LIFESPAN OF THE OF THE PATROL VEHICLE IS. SO I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND EXPANDING THAT OUT TO TEN. THAT WOULD BE GOING COUNTER TO BOTH THE INDUSTRY RECOMMENDATIONS, INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND PLACES ARE TRYING TO NARROW THAT DOWN, NOT GO LONGER. SO THEN THESE WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE. WELL THEY WOULD BECAUSE WE DO KEEP CARS MORE THAN WE KEEP LOTS OF OUR CARS MORE THAN SEVEN YEARS. WE HAVE LOTS OF USES FOR THOSE VEHICLES. AND WE DO USE THEM FOR A LOT OF THINGS, WHETHER THEY'RE STILL ENGAGED IN EMERGENCY RESPONSE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE WERE DOING OUR PIT TRAINING. A PIT IS A PURSUIT AND INTERDICTION TECHNIQUE. WE WERE OUT DOING THAT AND WE HAVE SEVERAL CARS WE HAVE TO USE, AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE CARS MOVE WELDED STEEL STUFF TO THEM AND THEY'RE ALL BANGED UP AND CRASHED UP. THOSE ARE MUCH OLDER THAN THE SEVEN YEARS. WE'VE GOT DOZEN PLUS CARS THAT ARE OLDER THAN THAN EIGHT YEARS THAT WE KEEP IN OUR FLEET BECAUSE WE HAVE MULTIPLE OTHER USES FOR THEM. WE JUST WON'T BE USING THEM AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE CAR THAT'S DOING AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU NEED TO CYCLE THOSE OUT. BUT WE WOULD KEEP THESE CARS FOR TEN YEARS. PLUS, WE ALREADY DO THAT WITH A LOT OF OUR VEHICLES. WE HAVE LOTS OF USES FOR THEM THAT GO BEYOND JUST PATROL RESPONSE. AND SO THEY WOULD BE TEN YEAR PLUS CAPITAL ASSETS. WE WOULD CERTAINLY KEEP THEM FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS OR TEN YEARS, ROTATED OUT OF PATROL, BUT KEPT FOR LONGER THAN TEN YEARS. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. SOME OF THEM END UP BEING BECAUSE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU RUN THE FLEET LIKE WE DO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FEW EXTRA CARS FOR ONE, A CAR FOR MAINTENANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR, OUR FLEET CARS THAT ARE BACKUPS TO THE ONES THAT THEY DRIVE REGULARLY. WE TRANSITION ANYWAY. WE KEEP A LOT OF THE CARS MORE THAN MORE THAN TEN YEARS. SO THIS WOULD NOT BE UNUSUAL TO KEEP A CAR EVEN WITH OUR REPLACEMENT SCHEDULED TO KEEP A CAR FOR LONGER THAN THAT EIGHT YEARS. WE ALREADY DO THAT WITH QUITE A FEW OF THEM. OKAY, SO IN ORDER TO HONOR IMPACT FEE OR STATE LAW, THERE WOULD BE A TEN YEAR MANAGEMENT CYCLE. BUT IN ORDER TO PURSUE BEST PRACTICES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, THERE WOULD BE A 7 TO 8 YEAR MANAGEMENT CYCLE OF THOSE VEHICLES WE LEASE, WHO DRIVES THEM FOR EMERGENCY USE OR FOR PATROL USE. BUT THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE AT AIC MAY RECALL MAYOR CHADWICK RAISING THE ISSUE, AND IT CAME UP AGAIN IN THE MAYORAL MEETINGS CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THE IMPACT PILOT. AND ONE OF THOSE CHANGES HAS TO DO WITH THE LIFE OF THE POLICE VEHICLE BEING SHORTER THAN WHAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES. AND SO I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE MAYOR CHADWICK IS COMING IN TO CHAIR THE 
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LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE AS MAYOR EVANS MOVES OUT. AND SO HE WILL HAVE THAT UNIQUE POSITION OF MAYBE HAVING HIS CONCERNS RISE TO THE TOP, BECAUSE HE'LL BE RIGHT THERE ACTIVELY WORKING ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S CONCERNS. AND SO AS WE FIND THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE IN THE LAW, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO CHANNEL THOSE OVER TO HIM, BECAUSE HE MAY BE COLLECTING MORE THAN, MORE THAN JUST THIS ISSUE, BUT IT DID COME UP. CHIEF, COULD YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT YOU SHARED WITH ME EARLIER? AND HERE ABOUT THE LEASING PROGRAM AND THE FIVE YEAR, FIVE YEAR LEASE AND HOW THEY'RE UNDER WARRANTY AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IN THE FLEET MANAGEMENT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO WE'RE WE'RE JUMPING A LITTLE AHEAD HERE I WILL OKAY. BUT THIS IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME OKAY. WE ARE WE ARE ONE OF THE FEW OR IF ONLY ENTITIES THAT LEASES THE VEHICLES THE WAY WE ARE LEASING THEM OR WE KEEP THEM FOR EIGHT YEARS BEFORE WE CYCLE THEM OUT, WHEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A NEW MASTER LEASE. WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A SOMEONE HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE BID PROCESS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DO THAT. SO WE HAVE TO REDO IT AND WE COULDN'T FIND ANY OTHER ENTITY. NEITHER COULD ANY OF THE LEASE COMPANIES FIND AN ENTITY THAT DID IT THE WAY WE DID IT, AND THE LEASE COMPANIES KIND OF THEY'RE IN IT TO MAKE MONEY, BUT THEY KIND OF THINK WE'RE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OFF ON IT, BECAUSE THE WAY WE DO THAT WITH WITH KEEPING THE CAR FOR EIGHT YEARS, IT ENDS UP BEING MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT POLICE CARS GET DRIVEN, THEY GET DRIVEN HARD IT WHEN WE'RE KEEPING THEM FROM 12 YEARS. WHEN IT WAS TIME TO SELL THEM, WE WERE NOT GETTING VERY MUCH OUT OF IT. WE WOULD GET $500, WE WOULD GET 1000. WE'D GET 1500, MAYBE OUT OF IT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO AN EIGHT YEAR VEHICLE, OUR PROJECTION IS WE MIGHT GET 10 TO $15,000 OUT OF THAT CAR WHEN IT'S DONE. THE WAY THE INDUSTRY WORKS OR THE WAY MOST FOLKS ARE DOING IT IS YOU GO TO A FIVE YEAR LEASE AND THEY GIVE YOU A GUARANTEED THAT THEY WILL BUY THE CAR BACK FOR AT THE END OF THAT FIVE YEARS. SO YOU'RE ONLY PAYING YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE FULL PRICE FOR THE CAR BECAUSE YOU RECOUP A LOT OF THAT CAR. SO AS I WAS EXPLAINING MY INTENTION SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 7 OR 8 MONTHS, WHEN YOU COME WITH A FULL PRESENTATION TO SHOW YOU WHAT WHAT THE COST OF HOW IT IS CURRENTLY, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE COST WOULD BE FOR THE FIVE YEAR LEASE RETENTION ON THEM. AND I THINK WE WOULD SAVE MONEY IF WE GO TO THAT FIVE YEARS. BUT I'M NOT READY WITH ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS. THAT'S THAT'S SEVERAL MONTHS OUT. SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I THINK THE GERMANE THING BUT THE WAY THAT THE INDUSTRY IS GOING IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A VERY HIGH RESALE VALUE AT THAT FIVE YEAR MARK. AND SO YOU CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY IN THAT RESALE IF YOU PUT TOWARDS THE CAR. SO YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE FULL PRICE OF IT. THEN ALSO THE ENTIRE TIME YOU HAVE THE VEHICLE, IT IS UNDER WARRANTY. SO YOU NEVER HAVE A CAR THAT'S OUT OF WARRANTY. I THINK. I THINK THAT YOUR MAIN THING I WAS TRYING TO DO IS ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THE SAME FLEET ON DIFFERENT PLANTS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND IN REALITY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THREE DIFFERENT RESOURCES, RIGHT? WE HAVE WE HAVE THE BRAND NEW CARS, WE HAVE THE MID AGE CARS, WE HAVE THE OLD CARS. WE CAN DO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH ALL WHEN IT IS TIME FOR THAT CONVERSATION, MAYBE TO BETTER ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FOR A PATROL RESPONSE VEHICLE, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD NOT BE TO EXTEND THAT LIFE OUT TO SHORTEN IT. FOR SOME OF OUR UNMARKED FLEET, THOUGH, WE COULD LOOK AT A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR THAT, FOR THAT UNMARKED FLEET THAT DOESN'T DO EMERGENCY RESPONSE. WE COULD LOOK AT IT KIND OF A ONE RETENTION SCHEDULE FOR THE CARS THAT THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE, A SEPARATE RETENTION SCHEDULE FOR THE UNMARKED VEHICLES. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. I'M NOT READY FOR THAT FULL PRESENTATION. WE'VE GOTTEN KIND OF OFF OF THE IMPACTING PART, BUT SOMETIME IN THE NEXT SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS, WE SHOULD BE READY TO BRING THAT WHOLE IDEA BACK. YEAH. AND I THINK I CAN REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU WOULD ROTATE THEM OUT OF PATROL. THAT WAS A THAT WAS AN ANSWER. THAT WAS THAT I THINK IS SATISFACTORY FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE BEFORE IT'S LIKE IF WE IF ALL IF WE'RE KEEPING OUR CARS FOR SEVEN YEARS AND SUDDENLY WE HAVE WELL, THESE ARE IMPACT FEE PURCHASE CARS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCHEDULE. BUT IF ALL OF THE CARS IN PATROL GET ROTATED OUT AND WE HOLD ON TO THE CARS, THEN THEN WE HAVE WE HAVE LOTS OF USES FOR THOSE CARS THAT ARE OLDER CARS. WE NEED TRAINING CARS. WE NEED WE NEED LOTS OF STUFF THAT WE KEEP CARS FOR LONGER. WE HAVE WE HAVE MANY CARS THAT WE KEEP FOR MORE THAN THAT ROTATION. EXACTLY LIKE THAT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT INTERNALLY IS, IS BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY A UNIQUE IDENTIFIER OR BEING ABLE TO ASSIGN A UNIQUE IDENTIFIER TO THOSE IMPACT FEE FUNDED VEHICLES IN OUR ASSET SYSTEM FOR OUR FLEET. SO THAT WAY, IF THERE IS A QUESTION OR FOR SOME REASON, 
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UNFORTUNATELY, IF A PIT MANEUVER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT THAT WAS IN FACT A VEHICLE THAT WAS PURCHASED WITH IMPACT FEE FUNDS. SO WE CAN REALLY DISTINGUISH IT FROM THE REST OF THE FLEET, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE LEASE VEHICLE PROGRAM. SO THAT THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT ENABLES OVER TIME FOR YOU TO SEE WHAT CARS ARE FIT THIS PERCENTAGE WISE, IT'S NOT A VERY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF CARS THAT ARE PROPOSING TO BE. IMPACTING VEHICLES 1 TO 2 CARS PER YEAR, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A I THINK IT'S 11 IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CARS OVER 6 OR 7 YEARS. THAT IS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE FLEET. AND IT'S THE PART THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE ADDING, I, I SEEN WHERE THEY GOT TO THE 11. I MEAN, THEY'RE THE CONSULTANTS ONLINE, RIGHT? YES, I THINK I THINK HE'S TRACKING FUTURE GROWTH FOR THAT 11. SO I THINK HE'S TRACKING FROM TODAY FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS THAT FUTURE GROWTH OF 11, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT FROM WHERE WE WERE THAT 20.2 OF THAT. SO ANYWAY, MY, MY I BELIEVE HE'S GOT IT RIGHT. WE WOULD WE WOULD ASK TO ADD ABOUT THAT MANY. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADD THAT MANY VEHICLES OVER THAT TIME IN THAT BALLPARK. BUT THEY'LL BE RELATIVELY EASY TO KIND OF TRACK AND KEEP THEM IN THE IN THE GROOVE FOR THAT TEN YEAR. YEAH, THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT IDEAS. I THINK ONE OF THOSE IDEAS IS ACTUALLY TO WELD A PHYSICAL MARKER ON IT. AND THIS IS WHERE WE MAY HAVE A SLIGHT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. BUT, BUT BUT IT MAKES SENSE. BUT IN TODAY'S MODERN WORLD, TO BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF WHICH CARS WE HAVE TO DO THAT SO MANY THINGS WITH, WE HAVE SO MANY GRANTS, SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF WHO'S DOING WHAT. THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO. OKAY, OKAY. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION FOR CALL ON. SO MY QUESTION IS THIS NUMBER OF POLICE VEHICLES, THERE'S NO COMMITMENT THAT WE HIRE STAFF TO MATCH THAT NUMBER IS THERE. DO WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT NEXUS. THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. SPECIFICALLY, WE DON'T SHOW THAT YOU NEED TO HIRE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS OR DETECTIVES. SO SAY WITH THESE NEW CARS. YOU KNOW WE'RE SHOWING A NEED TO CONTINUE TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO PRESUMABLY, YOU KNOW, EMBEDDED IN THAT IS ADDING, YOU KNOW, PATROL OFFICERS OR CODE ENFORCEMENT OR DETECTIVES THAT WOULD REQUIRE NEW CAR. IF YOU AREN'T HIRING ADDITIONAL STAFF, IT MIGHT BE HARD TO IT'D BE A HARD YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE ARGUMENT ISN'T AS STRONG TO NEED, YOU KNOW, TWO NEW CARS EVERY YEAR. IF YOU'RE NOT ADDING FTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT HELPS. SO COUNCILMEMBER ALSO THE ADD THE FLEETS THE COPS OPINION ADD THE FLEETS ARE BECAUSE WE ADDED PEOPLE. WE HAVE THE FLEET TO HANDLE THE FOLKS. SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO ADD THE FLEET BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PERSON COME IN. RIGHT. I WANT TO EXPLAIN THE PAST. THE VEHICLE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME IN THE SAME YEAR AS THE EMPLOYEE, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE ADDED PEOPLE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WE HAVE NOT ADDED THE CARS TO. WE HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET OUT OF IMPACT FEE TO DO THAT. SO IT RUNS A YEAR OR TWO BEHIND WHEN WE ACTUALLY ADD THE PEOPLE, BECAUSE IT TAKES THAT TIME TO TRAIN THEM AND GET THEM UP AND OPERATIONAL. IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ADD THAT CAR THE SAME MOMENT YOU ADD THE PERSON, BECAUSE THEN THE CAR IS JUST SITTING THERE FOR A YEAR AND NOT DOING ANYTHING, AND THEN YOU HAVE A YOU DON'T HAVE THE USE OF YOUR ASSET. SO, SO THE VEHICLES ACTUALLY COME AFTER THE PEOPLE. OKAY. COLIN OR CHIEF, WOULDN'T THAT BE PROBLEMATIC AT SOME POINT AT THE END, OR WOULD WE JUST ADD IT TO THE NEXT PLAN? BECAUSE LIKE IN PARKS, I KNOW WE HAD TO HAVE ALL THIS SPENT AT SOME POINT TOO, RIGHT? SEVEN YEARS. YEAH. SO IF WE'RE HIRING IN THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH YEAR, THEN I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I THINK YOU WANT TO CALL IT SO. CAN YOU HEAR THAT? THANK YOU. COLIN, COULD YOU HEAR THAT QUESTION FROM COUNCIL? I'M SORRY. YEAH. COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? MAYBE. PAM? CAN YOU. YEAH. CAN YOU SAY IT? JUST THAT IF WE'RE IF WE'RE A YEAR AHEAD IN HIRING AND THEN WE USE THE CAR THE NEXT YEAR AND WE'RE AT THE END OF THE PLAN, DO WE LOSE THE IF WE'VE ONLY SPENT 1.045? AND IF WE HAVE THAT MUCH AVAILABLE, THAT'S WHAT WE COULD SPEND. BUT BUT WE'VE ONLY SPENT 800 AND WE NEED TO ADD THREE CARS. BUT THEY COME IN A YEAR WHERE WE'RE TRAINING THEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR A CAR. AND THEN THE IMPACT FEE STUDY EXPIRES. WHAT WHAT'S THE APPROACH? CAN WE JUST PUT IT INTO THE NEXT ONE INTO THE NEXT 
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YEAR. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE LIKE MAYBE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT GAPS THERE WOULD BE LIKE FIRE ENGINES. RIGHT. THE PURCHASE THOSE AND THEY DON'T SHOW UP FOR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW. AND THAT'S JUST SORT OF KIND OF THE REALITY OF, OF THAT CAPITAL PLANNING. SO THAT PURCHASE DOESN'T HAVE TO OCCUR IN THE IMMEDIATE YEAR THAT THAT HIRE OCCURS. IT'S JUST THAT OVER TIME WE, YOU KNOW, CITY GROWS. AND SO THERE'S A NEED TO EXPAND SERVICES. AND WE'RE DOING THAT BOTH ON THE CAPITAL SIDE BUT ALSO ON THE OPERATING SIDE, WHICH ISN'T IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE. 
          SO IN THESE CASES, ESPECIALLY POLICE AND FIRE FOR THAT MATTER TOO, IS THAT THERE'S HEAVY OPERATING IMPACTS THAT ARE SORT OF KIND OF COMMITTED WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO COLLECT AN IMPACT FEE FOR THE CAPITAL, THERE'S USUALLY OPERATING COSTS TIED TO THAT THAT YOU'RE SORT OF GETTING TO. PART OF THE ART, TOO, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE IMPACTING STUDY DOESN'T EXPIRE BEFORE YOU BEGUN WORKING ON THE NEW ONE, SO THAT YOU'RE SEAMLESSLY ROLLING FORWARD. OKAY, ARE WE PERHAPS READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ELEMENT, THE FIRE PIECE? OKAY, LET'S DO THAT. THANK YOU. CHIEF. 
          ALSO, JUST THAT WAY, I DID HEAR SOME FOLKS TALKING ABOUT HAVING ALSO ADDRESSING THE PIECE AND LEGISLATION WHERE IMPACT FEES COULD COVER MORE THAN JUST THE VEHICLE AND SOME OF THE SOME OF THE OUTFITTING FOR THE VEHICLE, BUT ALSO MAYBE SOME OF THE ONE TIME EQUIPMENT THAT YOU PURCHASED FOR THE OFFICER. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A PART OF HIRING A NEW OFFICER. SO THERE COULD BE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THAT. AND WE MAY AT THAT POINT NEED TO PARTNER WITH OPA OR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME SUBSTANTIVE INSIGHT. 
          OKAY. WHERE DO YOU WANT TO START WITH YOUR QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO JUST POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS HERE. SO AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRE STATION SIX. AND SO YOU'LL SEE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST A COUPLE PROJECTS, THE ENGINE AND AMBULANCE AND SOME STORAGE, ALL WITH THE YEAR OF 2025. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PROBABLY BEING, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE END OF THAT TIMEFRAME, JUST TO WOULD DEPEND ON ORDERING THE VEHICLES AND THE TIMELINE NEEDED TO RECEIVE THE VEHICLES AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF CHIEF NELSON WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. 
          AS FAR AS UPDATES, WOULD THAT BE SCOOTED OUT FROM 2025 TO POTENTIALLY 2026? SO I WAS GOING TO ASK HIM IF HE COULD TALK ABOUT THOSE JUST A LITTLE BIT, SINCE THOSE ARE THE MORE RECENT ONES WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT PURCHASING WITH IMPACT FEES OR A PORTION OF THE IMPACT FEE MONEY. AND THAT'S CORRECT. THE ENGINES, IF YOU REMEMBER, ACTUALLY ARE ON ORDER NOW. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO REIMBURSE SOME OF THAT CAPITAL EXPENSE THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE SIMILAR TO. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE POLICE COMPLEX. SO THEY ARE ON ORDER NOW. THEY'RE STILL A COUPLE YEARS OUT ACTUALLY, FROM RECEIVING, BUT THEY ARE IN THE WORKS. THE BIG ONE PROBABLY IS THE STORAGE FACILITY THAT WILL BE LATE THIS YEAR IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY CAN GENERATE THOSE TYPE OF DOLLARS WITHIN OUR IMPACT FEES TO OFFSET THE COST OF THAT STORAGE FACILITY ON THE SITE. BUT IT IS BEING PREPPED NOW WITH THE STATION TO MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN WE SEE TRAINING FACILITY IN 27, AND THAT'S JUST REALLY TRAINING FACILITY DESIGN AND STUDIES BEING COMPLETED THAT ARE IN FACT ELIGIBLE. MOVING INTO ALL THE WAY OUT INTO 2032 WITH PLANS FOR THE NEXT STATION IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHERE THAT WILL BE. AND THE. THOSE STUDIES WILL BE ONGOING, OBVIOUSLY, WHERE THAT NEXT FACILITY NEEDS TO BE BUILT. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THIS SONG CLEAR ABOUT THE STORAGE BUILDING. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES AT THIS POINT IS $729,000 OR THAT'S PROJECTED THROUGH THE NEXT TEN YEARS FOR THAT BUILDING. THAT'S THE COLUMN. MAYBE I'LL ANSWER THAT BETTER. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S THE PROJECTION OF THAT FACILITY OVER THE NEXT TEN. THE MONEY THAT WILL GO TOWARD THAT FACILITY. 
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THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE YOU CAN SEE OH MY, MY FACE IS NOW COVERING MYSELF UP ON THE SCREEN. THANKS. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE YOU KNOW, WE BREAK OUT THESE REVENUES ON THE FIRESIDE WHEN WE LOOK AT STATIONS IN THE APPARATUS. AND SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE 3 MILLION OF THE STATION REVENUE THAT'S ALLOTTED FOR, FOR STATION SIX. AND THEN ONLY THERE'S ONLY A REMAINING PORTION OF THAT STATION EXPANSION REVENUE. AND THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T THAT'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE. STORAGE SIX. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT OVER AVAILABLE OKAY. GOT IT. AND THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR COLIN. COLIN. THE FIRE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THE PLAN BASED FEE CALCULATION AS THE. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE IMPACT FEES. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS A THAT IS FOR THE TRAINING STATION. DO YOU DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE. THAT IT'S THE ONLY. 
          YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE AND. WHEN IF I LOOK AT THE TEN YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND I THINK WE WERE ALREADY COLLECTING FOR THAT ONE. SO WE JUST CAN CAN CONTINUE. 
          COLLECTING. IT SAYS THAT THE TRAINING FACILITY DESIGN AND ENGINEERING STUDY IS 80,000, I THINK YOU SAID THAT LIKE WE'VE COLLECTED 7000. DO WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH THAT PARTICULAR. FUND AS WELL? LIKE WE CAN'T FORWARD FUND IT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE COLLECT THE FULL 80,000. IT'LL BE A LONG. IT'LL BE A LOT OF YEARS BEFORE WE COLLECT 80,000. 
          IF WE'VE ONLY GOT LIKE SEVEN RIGHT NOW IN THAT FUND. YEAH, THAT, THAT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER. THE YOU. YES. SO THERE'S A COUPLE POINTS HERE UNDER THAT PLAN BASED APPROACH. AND YOU KNOW THIS IS A SMALLER PORTION OF THE LARGER SORT OF CATEGORY. BUT BUT IN THIS CASE YOU'RE COLLECTING SPECIFICALLY FOR A, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING AND DESIGN EFFORT TO HELP SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT TRAINING FACILITY LOOKS LIKE. WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED. 
          YEAH, 7000 OF IT. SO 72,000 REMAINS. YOU COULD. YEAH. KIND OF FRONT LOAD THE COST AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS YOUR FIRE IMPACT FEE FUND HAS ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THIS 80,000. JUST KNOWING THAT ANY DOLLAR IS COLLECTED AFTER THAT CAN'T GO TO ANY SIMILAR EFFORT RIGHT THEN THERE, THEN THAT ALL IS GOING TOWARDS YOUR STATION AND APPARATUS EXPANSION, WHICH IS A WOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT BECAUSE THOSE ARE SORT OF THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT FEE. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WOULD BE THAT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE CITY CONDUCT A SORT OF A FACILITY PLAN FOR THE TRAINING SITE. OKAY, OKAY. SO THAT'S IT'S AN ACCOUNTING. IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO. ACCOUNTING, ACCOUNTING WISE, IS BECAUSE THAT'S A PARTICULAR WAY THAT WE'RE COLLECTING FUNDS AND WE DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH IN IT. AND THE YEAR TO SPEND IT IS 2027. SO I'M JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT ONE THAT THAT WE CAN GET THE ACCOUNTING RIGHT ON THAT ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILOR FRANCIS. YEAH. COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN STATION EIGHT THAT SHOWS PROJECT IMPACT FEE REVENUE ZERO. WHY IS THAT COLUMN ZERO? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YEAH. SO THAT GETS BACK TO. ESSENTIALLY THIS SORT OF METHOD METHODOLOGY OF CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE OR FACILITY LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND ONLY BEING ABLE TO COLLECT AT SORT OF THAT RATE INTO THE FUTURE. AND SO THAT REVENUE ESSENTIALLY REFLECTS THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          RESPONDING TO OUR PROJECTED GROWTH. AND SO THAT DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, WILL BE ABLE TO FUND SIX AND THEN IN PORTION OF THE STORAGE, BUT OVER THE TEN YEAR TIME FRAME, ESSENTIALLY STATION EIGHT WOULD KIND OF BE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND YOUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE, ESSENTIALLY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FUNDED IN THAT TEN YEAR SPAN. YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BOND FINANCE. STATION EIGHT. AND SO THOSE FUTURE IMPACT FEES COULD, YOU KNOW, HELP SIMILAR TO YOUR COP FUND, THOSE FUTURE DEBT PAYMENTS. THERE'S ANOTHER APPROACH KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SORT OF THAT PLAN BASED APPROACH WHICH IS MORE AGGRESSIVE. AND WE 
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COULD LOOK TO FUND MORE FACILITIES UNDER THAT APPROACH. BUT WE'VE SORT OF TAKEN A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH IN THIS CASE. AND SO THAT STATION EIGHT WOULDN'T BE FUNDED IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS WITH IMPACT FEES. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT FIRE APPARATUS OR BUILDINGS OR TRAINING. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL WE'LL BE TAKING THE EASY ONES FIRST. SO THAT MEANS PUBLIC WORKS IS NEXT. 
          YES. TRANSPORTATION IS WHAT I SHOULD SAY. SORRY. YOU KNOW, IF I COULD ADD WHY CHRIS GETS SET UP? HE DID A REALLY INTERESTING JOB. I SAW THE ACTUAL WORKSHEETS THAT HE USED ON THIS, AND IT WAS VERY METHODICAL IN HOW DIRECTOR FERGUSON AND HIS TEAM PULL THIS TOGETHER. AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON STREET PROJECTS, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE CHRIS TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE IF HE DOESN'T MIND. 
          SURE. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE CIP THAT'S BEEN PUT TOGETHER AS FAR AS NEEDS, POTENTIAL NEEDS ON ARTERIALS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ONE, ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO NOTE IS A LOT OF THESE WE'RE ANTICIPATING COME INTO THE CITY AS FAR AS FRONTAGES, BUT PLEASE RECALL THAT DEDICATION OF 100 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ACTUALLY DOESN'T EXIST TODAY. THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO MAKE A NUMBER OF THESE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH FOR SOME TIME. BUT AS WE'VE LOOKED AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN AND TALKED ABOUT SOME NEEDS AND THEN ALSO PLANNING FOR SOME OF OUR LARGE FEDERAL AID PROJECTS, WHETHER THAT BE THE I-15, US 20 CONNECTOR AND THEN ALSO THE US 2026 CONNECTOR. THAT'S REALLY WHAT STIPULATED A LOT OF THESE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY ON ANY GIVEN WEEK, WE'RE APPROACHED BY A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE PROPERTIES THAT THEY'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT ARE ADJACENT TO FRONTAGES THAT COULD IMPACT THE CIP. SO POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE CIP IS A BIG ISSUE THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DEAL WITH, WITH SOME QUESTIONS BACK AND FORTH WITH COLIN AND WORKING WITH PAM. AND I THINK REALLY THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR TO REALLY DEAL WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED, THE ORDER THAT'S CAME INTO THE CITY ALLOWING THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION TO OCCUR. 
          BUT OTHERWISE I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THERE MAY BE. SO HOW HOW WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR REVIEWING SOMETHING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? DOES IT HAVE TO? WE HAVE TO REOPEN THE STUDY AND HAVE A HEARING AND DO ALL OF THAT FORMAL JAZZ IN ORDER TO UPDATE SOMETHING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? COLIN, DO YOU HAVE CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE YOU'VE HAD WITH OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE POTENTIALLY MOVED AROUND SOME IMPACT FEE PROJECTS IN THE PAST? YEAH, YEAH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT AGAIN, KIND OF TO THE METHODOLOGY OF THE STUDY, WE'RE SAYING IN WHAT WOULD BE ADOPTING IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND WE NEED A CAPITAL PLAN THAT JUSTIFIES COLLECTING A FEE AT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE GO THROUGH THIS ITERATION BACK AND FORTH OF SAYING, OKAY, LEVEL SERVICE X GETS US A NEED OF 18 LANE MILE OR A 28 LANE MILES OVER TEN YEARS. YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE A CIP THAT, YOU KNOW, REFLECTS REFLECTS THAT AND CHARGE A FEE. AND SO WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THAT PLAN BASED APPROACH, LET'S SAY, WHICH WOULD BE A BIT MORE STATIC AND COULD BE CHANGED. BUT YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, MORE STRICT WITH, WITH WHAT YOU'RE REMOVING AND INCLUDING IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING STATE CODE. THE CIP DOES HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BE REVIEWED EVERY YEAR. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, RE ADOPTED INTO YOUR COMP PLAN. SO IF THERE ARE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT'S REFLECTED ANNUALLY IN THE CIP. BUT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A NEW IMPACT FEE STUDY. AS LONG AS WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THAT LANE MILE THAT WE'RE ADDING, EXPANDING OUR NETWORK SORT OF THAT THAT SIMILAR CLIP, THEN YOU CAN REMOVE AND ADD PROJECTS ANNUALLY TO MEET THE MARKET NEEDS THAT THAT CHRIS IS DESCRIBING. COLIN, I HAVE A I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. I, I REALLY IN OUR LAST. IMPACT FEE STUDY, I REALLY LIKED BEING ABLE TO USE THE ARTERIAL ROADS AS WAYS TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WE'VE HAD YEARS AND YEARS WHERE DEVELOPERS HAVE STAYED OFF OF ARTERIALS JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION 
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OF THOSE ROADS AND THOSE LANE MILES ARE EXPENSIVE. SO IT IT HAS BEEN NICE THROUGH THIS LAST IMPACT FEE STUDY TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THOSE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WHERE THE REIMBURSEMENT CAME TO THE DEVELOPER FOR BEING ABLE TO BUILD THOSE ROADS. I THINK DEVELOPERS, CHRIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I MEAN LIKE 30% LESS HAVE A DEVELOPER BUILD IT THAN TO HAVE THE CITY COLLECT THE IMPACT FEE AND THEN BUILD THE ROAD. SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS JUST SOME LANGUAGE IN THE IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. LANE MILES ON ARTERIALS. IS THERE A WAY TO GET TO THAT AND STILL. I MEAN WE'RE LOOKING AT MEETING 14 NEW LANE MILES OF ARTERIAL ROADS. WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? I JUST I LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DOLLARS SAVED BY USING DEVELOPERS TO BUILD THE ROADS AND REIMBURSE THE DEVELOPERS, RATHER THAN HAVE THE CITY GO OUT AND DO IT ALL. YEAH, YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO. YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS JUST FURTHER, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING THE CIPS IN BOTH OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SORT OF USING THIS AS A GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR THOSE FUTURE REVENUES. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE CITY SPECIFICALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SEEING LIKE SOME HOLMES AVENUE, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A NEED FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS AT THE MOMENT, BUT NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT OCCURS ON A PARALLEL ARTERIAL, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY SECOND STREET OR. YOU KNOW, SIMILAR BENEFIT ADDRESSING ARTERIAL CITYWIDE NETWORK. YOU'D BE ABLE TO IN SORT OF FASHION LIKE YOU'RE DESCRIBING, REIMBURSE THE DEVELOPER FOR EXPANDING THAT ARTERIAL ROAD. YOU KNOW, IMPORTANTLY, SORT OF THE CAVEAT IN ALL THESE CASES IS TO ENSURE THAT THAT PROJECT THAT THE ROADWAY PROJECT THAT THE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS CONSTRUCTING IS STILL ADDRESSING CITYWIDE ARTERIAL DEMAND, THAT IT'S NOT SPECIFIC FOR, YOU KNOW, A TURN LANE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF EVEN IF IT'S ON ARTERIAL ROAD, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT TURN LANE INTO THE SUBDIVISION ISN'T WHY YOU NEED THE ROADWAY NETWORK TO EXPAND, YOU KNOW, CITYWIDE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THERE WOULD BE CAVEATS LIKE ANY OTHER SORT OF DEDICATION TO ENSURE THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE AND THE CIP HERE. SO WOULD IT BE NECESSARY TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT LANGUAGE TO THIS STUDY, SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE ASSURANCE THAT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE USE OF. IMPACT FEE? YEAH, WE HAVE THERE'S SOME LIKE VERY SORT OF GENERALITIES IN THERE, BUT IN THE IN THE ROADWAY ROAD CHAPTER, I CAN CALL IT OUT MORE SPECIFICALLY. YEAH. AND I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A CURRENT POLICY IN PLACE FOR THE PARKS. IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE PARKS ELEMENT, BUT REALLY ENSURING, YOU KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T A PROJECT THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC FOR THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE CIP HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT WE'RE EXPANDING THE CITYWIDE NETWORK. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MAYBE THIS IS A CLARIFICATION TO YOUR QUESTION. SO, CHRIS, IF THE IF A DEVELOPER IS DEVELOPING ALONG AN ARTERIAL, SAY, SOUTH HOME SOUTH OF TOWN AND THEY, THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP THE HOMES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. DO THEY SUBTRACT THAT FROM THEIR FEE OWED? THEY HAVE THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO EITHER GAIN A CREDIT OR OR BE REIMBURSED FOR EITHER WAY CAPACITY ADDING IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THAT FRONTAGE ON THE ARTERIAL. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          IS THAT PARTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WAS MAKING SURE IS THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO, TO DO THOSE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. OTHERWISE IF WE JUST GET STUCK WITH THIS LIST, THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO AN ERA WHERE PEOPLE WILL NOT WANT TO BE DEVELOPING THEIR ARTERIAL, BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE A WAY FOR THEM TO GET REIMBURSED. YEAH. AND ALSO THEN THIS, IF IT CAN ONLY BE REVIEWED ONCE A YEAR, CAN'T BE REVIEWED SIX MONTHS INTO THE YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD STILL GIVE US ENOUGH TIME, BECAUSE WE CAN TELL A YEAR AHEAD BEFORE THAT DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE ARTERIAL WILL TAKE PLACE. YEAH. IS THAT A TIME? I GUESS 
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THE FLEXIBILITY IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GAIN. YEAH. BUT BUT THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT A YEAR, YOU KNOW, AS YOU START TO TALK ABOUT A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLANNING PROCESS, REVIEW PROCESS CONSTRUCTION AND THEN ALSO COMPILE THE BOOKS, IF YOU WILL. RIGHT. HERE'S WHAT WE EXPENDED AND WE WORK THROUGH THAT THE YEAR'S TIME FRAME THAT THAT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY I THINK WE'RE SEEKING. AND, AND I THINK REALLY THE POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE IN THE CIP THAT WE HAVE IS AN EXAMPLE OTHER THAN THE FIRST TWO PROJECTS LISTED FOR THE YEAR OF 2025, THOSE ARE ALL INCLUSIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT TALKS ABOUT COMPLETE STREET IMPROVEMENTS TO BE REIMBURSED BY THE CITY AS PART OF THAT IMPACT FEE. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR IS TO MAKE THAT WORDING MORE EXPLICIT. SO MORE EXPLICIT POINT TO THAT IN THE FUTURE AND CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT PRACTICE, BECAUSE I DO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IN COST SAVINGS IS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PROVEN A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT DEVELOPERS GENERALLY HAVE BETTER PRICES THAN WHEN WE DID THOSE SOLELY AS CITY PROJECTS. OKAY. IS EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH QUESTIONS, THE ANSWERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR REGARDING TRANSPORTATION? OKAY. THEN I THINK WE'LL MOVE ON TO POLLING. PARKS AND RECREATION INTO THE HOT SEAT. AND THANK YOU, CHRIS, FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SO AS DIRECTOR HOLMES COMES UP AND GETS SITUATED, THIS THIS PLAN THAT YOU'VE GOT IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL AS UP ON THE SCREEN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. DIRECTOR HOLMES HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THESE ON THESE PROJECTS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND SO I'M GOING TO LET HIM GET SITUATED AND GO THROUGH THEM. BUT I HOPE YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR HANDOUT. IT SHOULD BE YOUR LAST PACKET. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE HERE, BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE'S A LONGER TIME COMMITMENT ON THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS THAT DIRECTOR HOLMES IS PRESENTING HERE. SO I'M GOING TO LET HIM GO THROUGH THEM AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND WE ALSO HAVE COLIN, WHO HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS AS WELL. THANK YOU PAM. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT I WANTED TO KIND OF START POINTING OUT WITH THIS PLAN IS WE WENT AHEAD AND TOOK THIS LOOKING AT COMMUNITY PARKS, WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE OVER THE NEXT HANDFUL OF YEARS, AND BROKE THAT UP THE BEST WE COULD INTO A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. SO INSTEAD OF DOING A 5 TO 10 YEAR PLAN, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS ACTUALLY A 23 YEAR PLAN. AND THAT'S KIND OF A THAT'S WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE. IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE US TO BUILD OUT A, A COMMUNITY PARK TO THE SOUTH IN IDAHO FALLS, A COMMUNITY PARK IN OR INCLUDING ACQUIRING PROPERTY ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN. AND THEN DEVELOPING OUT THE 40 ACRES THAT WE OWN CURRENTLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. SO THAT WOULD WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT THIS, AND THE REASON THAT SOME OF THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE CURRENT STUDY IS THE REMOVAL OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. WE FELT LIKE WAS VERY WAS A NEEDED MOVE FOR THIS STUDY BECAUSE WE STARTED SEEING THAT. I THINK DEVELOPERS AND HOMEOWNERS WERE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE PAYING A FEE FOR MAYBE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IF THEY WERE BUILDING SOMETHING, MAYBE ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN, AND IT WAS GOING TO BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY, OR ON THE NORTH END OF THE OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO A COMMUNITY PARK AND CIVIC PARKS ARE BOTH USED BY A MUCH LARGER DEMOGRAPHIC. THEY'RE TYPICALLY USED BY AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY OR EVEN A REGIONAL DRAW FOR LARGER GATHERINGS. COMMUNITY PARKS TEND TO BE MULTI-USE A LOT MORE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE BALL DIAMONDS, SOCCER FIELDS, SPLASH PADS, PLAYGROUNDS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BRING PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY FROM A LITTLE FURTHER OUT OR FROM ALL THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. A CIVIC PARK TENDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF SOMETHING WHERE CIVIC GATHERINGS ARE HAPPENING, LIKE CONCERTS OR. I DON'T WANT TO, I GUESS PROTESTS OR GATHERINGS IN THAT TYPE OF, OF LIFE, I GUESS, TEND TO HAPPEN MORE LIKE A CIVIC TYPE OF PARK. AND SO WE DID. WE HAVE BOTH OF THOSE INCLUDED IN THIS PARK PLAN. AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT FIRST WAS, WAS WHERE WE ARE PART OF A CAMPAIGN CALLED TEN MINUTE WALK CAMPAIGN. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS IT SHOWS WE HAVE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT SHOW WHAT PARTS OF TOWN ARE FURTHER THAN TEN MINUTES FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE WE'VE FOUND SEVERAL DEFICIENCIES THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY IN THAT. PART OF THAT IS DEFINITELY TO THE SOUTH. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOMETHING WE HAVE A DEFICIENCY TO THE NORTH. WE DO HAVE ONE KIND OF CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE 
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HEART OF IDAHO FALLS, BUT WHERE WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD OUT THE PARK, WHICH AS PART OF OUR COMPLIANCE MITIGATION PROCESS, THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF KIND OF WHERE WE HAVE A DEFICIENCY IN, IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF IDAHO FALLS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, WE DO SEE THAT AS WELL. AND SO WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IS KIND OF WHERE THE WHERE THE MOST NEED MIGHT BE. AND SO WE WANT TO START ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN, THEN MOVE TO THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE WEST FROM THERE. AND SO IN THIS YOU CAN SEE EACH YEAR HAS BEEN HAS BEEN BROKEN UP WITH THE KIND OF THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE FROM IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS JUST SHY OF $1 MILLION PER YEAR. AND SO WE PUT THAT IN WITH THE CURRENT BALANCE. AND AS WE GO DOWN, IT DOES BREAK DOWN. YOU CAN SEE IN THIS THE BLUE SECTION BETWEEN EACH FIVE YEAR SECTION OF THE PLAN, IT DOES BREAK DOWN THE TOTAL AMOUNT SPENT IN THAT FIVE YEARS, TOTAL NUMBER OF ACRES AND THEN PER PER DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF PARK AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF AMENITIES. AND SO THE CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE FROM THE PLAN THAT IS IN THE CURRENT DRAFT STUDY TO THIS PLAN IS THAT WHEN WE HAD CREATED THAT THE LAST CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WE TOOK ALL PROPERTY OR ALL ALL PROJECTS THAT THAT WERE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEES AND INCLUDED THOSE WHICH OBVIOUSLY ADDED UP TO A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THE IMPACT FEES WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY FOR. AND THAT LEFT A DEFICIENCY THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO TRY TO MAKE UP FOR A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY HONED THIS DOWN AND TRIED TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT WAS CIVIC PARKS, COMMUNITY PARKS ONLY, AND REALLY, REALLY CONCENTRATED ON COMPLETING AN ENTIRE PARK BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT PARK OR THE NEXT PARCEL OF IDAHO FALLS TO BUILD OUT. AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, EACH EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT PARKS IS COLOR COORDINATED. SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF WHEN WE MOVE FROM ONE PARK TO THE NEXT. AND LIKE I SAID, EACH CATEGORY DOES OR EVERY FIVE YEARS DOES EQUATE A LOT CLOSER TO WHAT OUR, OUR PREDICTION FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH WILL BE IN BOTH DOLLAR VALUES, ACREAGE GROWTH AND AMENITIES THROUGHOUT THE PARK SYSTEM. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. 
          SO ALL ALONG, MY BIGGEST CONCERN HAS BEEN THAT THIS IS SO SPECIFIC THAT IF THE GROWTH DOESN'T MATERIALIZE AND WE CHOOSE TO PUT THE AMENITIES IN THE PLACES WHERE GROWTH DOES MATERIALIZE, I JUST THINK IT'S CRAZINESS THAT WE HAVE TO OPEN UP THE PLAN TO REALLOCATE RESOURCES WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE WHEN WE SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO HAVE A FORMULA THAT TELLS US WHERE WE WHERE WE ALLOCATE THEM. AND SO I, I GUESS I NEED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER THE FLEXIBILITY THAT'S BUILT INTO THIS PLAN FOR OR HAVE THE PROCESS MADE CLEAR ENOUGH TO ME THAT I UNDERSTAND WHEN WE HAVE TO GO? I WANT TO KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE SOME OF THIS BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE AND EXPLAIN THAT IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH PLANNING AND FORECASTING. I WANT TO KNOW, OPENING THIS UP TO A HEARING PROCESS EVERY YEAR IS VERY TIME CONSUMING AND TAKES A LOT OF STAFF TIME WHEN WE COULD JUST BE ALLOCATING. AND SO HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL LIKE THIS HAS SOME FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO IT OR DOES IT? THIS PLAN IS PRETTY PRETTY SPECIFIC DOWN TO EACH THE PARK LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE NEEDED TO SEE MORE IN THIS, THIS UPDATED STUDY WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PRECISE WHEN YOU WERE GOING TO WORK ON A PROJECT, WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE INVOLVED, WHAT WAS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT AND WHEN IT COULD BE COMPLETED. AND SO WHAT I COULD SEE IS POTENTIALLY SOME FLEXIBILITY FROM DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE PROJECTS. BUT I DO HAVE THEM IN PRETTY MUCH A CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER OF HOW A PARK WOULD NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT, IF WE DECIDED THAT THE WEST SIDE WAS PROBABLY A BETTER WAY TO GO RATHER THAN NORTH, WE HAVE TO UPDATE THIS PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS ANYWAYS. AND SO EVEN IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO SWITCH, MAYBE THE NORTH AND THE WEST SIDE PARKS WHERE WHICH ORDER THOSE CAME IN, I DO SEE THAT BEING SOMETHING THAT THAT COULD BE DONE AT THAT, AT THAT UPDATE TIME FOR THE STUDY, BUT IT IS LOCKED IN AS CLOSE AS I COULD GET TO THE DOLLAR VALUE, THE AMOUNT OF YEARS IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO COMPLETE A PARK, AND THE DOLLAR VALUE THAT WOULD MATCH SO THAT WE WEREN'T SPENDING MORE THAN WHAT WAS BEING COLLECTED THROUGH OUR IMPACT FEES AND IN ALL CASES, OUR DOLLAR VALUES, WHETHER IT'S IN THIS ONE OR ANY OF THE OTHERS, THEY'RE ALL IN CURRENT DOLLARS, RIGHT. CURRENT YEAR DOLLARS. SO WE HAVE TO ADJUST THEM IF WE'RE VALUATION THREE, 4 OR 5 YEARS OUT. RIGHT? 
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YES. I MEAN, I, I PUT THEM AS, AS ACCURATE AS I COULD, KNOWING THAT WE WILL PROBABLY SEE SOME SOME CHANGES IN THOSE. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADAPTED A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO SOME OF THE OTHER LIKE THE EQUIPMENT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, ON THE EAST SIDE, WE DID ESTIMATE A COST INFLATION ON THAT AND WHERE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED, IT WOULDN'T BE LOCATED SPECIFICALLY ON THE PAGES OF THE IMPACT FEE STUDY. BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PUTTING TOGETHER AN APPENDIX THAT NOT ONLY GIVES A DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT. SO TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PARKS PROJECT, WHAT IS IT GOING TO INCLUDE ON STREET? HOW MANY LANES? I MEAN, IT IS HERE IN THE TABLES, BUT THE APPENDIX IS GOING TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DESCRIPTION OF IT, AS WELL AS IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE THINGS OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAD RECOMMENDED US TO DO BY MAKING SPECIFIC DATES. IF YOU NOTICE HERE ON THE TABLE, IT SAYS FISCAL FISCAL YEAR 20 2026. 
          WELL, THE THOUGHT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 1ST OF 2025, FOR EXAMPLE, TO SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2026. AND IF THAT CHANGED AT ALL, THEN THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A SHIFT OF THAT. BUT BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE PROJECT IS, WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO, HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT, HOW IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY THROUGH GROWTH. AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT DOING OR I'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING A MAP THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SO THEY COULD SEE THE TYPES OF THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH PARKS AT, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THERE'LL BE A PROPOSED PARK OVER ON THE NORTH SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THAT WILL ALSO HELP PLAN WITH DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. AND IT ACTUALLY SHARES INFORMATION THROUGH AN APPENDIX IN THE ACTUAL IMPACT FEE STUDY ITSELF. AND THEN OF COURSE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UPDATED OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMETHING WAS SHIFTED OR MOVED OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT IT DOES GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION TO OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO USE. THE IMPACT FEE MONEY FOR WHEN WE'RE WHEN IT IS COLLECTED TO THE LEVEL THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TO FUND THAT PROJECT. THANK YOU. 
          MICHELLE, YOU HAD A COMMENT. I JUST THINK THAT YOU ARE BOTH I THINK YOU'RE BOTH ACCURATE. I THINK THAT DIRECTOR HOLM HAS DONE EXACTLY WHAT MY INTERPRETATION IS OF THE LAW. 
          BUT I THINK THE LEGISLATURE NEEDS SOME EDUCATION ON HOW. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          THIS IS UNREASONABLE. IT. WELL, BECAUSE YOU DON'T GROW THE WAY YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GROW EVER. WELL, IT'S NOT BENEFITING THE COMMUNITY IF YOU'RE JUST THROWING STONES AND SEEING WHAT STICKS, REALLY. BUT I DO THINK THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF GROWTH, AND SO THAT WE HAVE NOT CAUGHT UP IN PARKS WITH ANYWAY. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK DARREN HAS DONE THE BEST JOB THAT HE CAN TO BE AS ACCURATE AS HE CAN. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO STAND BY THIS PLAN WHILE AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE BEHIND, I THINK, ON DEVELOPING PARKS PROJECTS TO THE GROWTH WE'VE ALREADY HAD. SO I FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT'S HERE FOR 2026 AND 2027 EASILY. BUT BUT I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PERHAPS UTILIZE SOME RESOURCES TO EDUCATE THE LEGISLATURE ON ON WHY THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY PRACTICAL SENSE. CAN I THROW SOMETHING IN THAT CONVERSATION TOO? IS THAT BECAUSE THE IMPACT FEE STUDY IS BASED ON LEVEL OF SERVICE? IN FIVE YEARS WE HAVE TO HAVE 53 NEW ACRES. SO IF WE IF WE SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHERE GROWTH IS GOING TO COME AND WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE HERE AND A LITTLE THERE, THEN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL NOT BE WHAT IT IS, AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THE SAME KIND OF IMPACT FEE. SO I MEAN, THIS AS FAR AS THIS PLAN BOILING OUT FOR FIVE YEARS, WE'D GET 53 NEW ACRES AND WE HAVE 21 NEW AMENITIES AND WE HAVE TWO NEW PARKS. I, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S LIKE, WELL, DO WE DO THE NORTHERN PARK FIRST OR THE WESTERN PARK? THAT PART. IT'S TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PARKS AND REC. BUT AS FAR AS HAVING TO PRODUCE 53 NEW ACRES, THAT'S A BIG THAT'S A BIG NUMBER. IT'S A HUGE ASK. AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. THAT'S WHAT THE IMPACT FEE STUDY IS TELLING US WE NEED IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE SO WELL. IT ALSO STRIKES ME THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FIND ANOTHER MEASURE BESIDES ACRES FOR SERVICE, BECAUSE YOU CAN ADD IN PLAY EQUIPMENT THAT SERVES A SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS, AND YOU SUDDENLY CHANGE THE USE OF A PARK AND YOU INCREASE ITS SERVICE LEVEL EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVEN'T ADDED ACREAGE. SO AMENITIES CAN NEED TO BE VALUED. I THINK DIFFERENTLY, DIFFERENTLY. AND SO I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK IT ACRES DRIVEN APPROACH TO OUR PARKS REALLY TIES OUR HANDS, AND IT JUST MEANS WE'RE GOBBLING UP REAL ESTATE WHEN WE COULD BE REFINING WHAT WE WHAT WE OFFER. AND SO I'M JUST JUST REALLY 
          [00:55:03]
FRUSTRATED IF WE HAVE AS WE FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW, WE'RE FINDING THAT IT TIES OUR HANDS AND DOESN'T ALLOW US TO BE AS CREATIVE, BECAUSE WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THE DOLLARS? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THE DOLLARS TO ENHANCE THE PARKS? ONCE WE BUY ALL THESE ACRES, WE'RE BARELY GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH MOWING. SO IT'S A WORRISOME, WORRISOME THAT THE IMPACT FEES ARE NOT BEING AS HELPFUL AS WE WANT THEM TO BE AS WE AS WE PLUG THEM INTO THE FORMULAS. AND SO I SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DEBBIE DOWNER. I'M JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO MAYBE TAKE BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY, THIS NEEDS A LITTLE HELP. AND MAYBE OTHER CITIES HAVEN'T BOTHERED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CHALLENGED, AND SO THEY HAVEN'T THOUGHT TO PUSH BACK, OTHER THAN IN THE WAY THAT MAYOR CHADWICK LIKEN IT A LITTLE BIT TO AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, KIND OF A THING WHERE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS MUCH RIGHT TO KEEP, BUT THEN THEY DON'T. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PLAN TO, FOR MAINTENANCE AND DOWN THE ROAD THINGS. SO LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE GOING TO IF WE ADD 54 ACRES OF PARK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE THE PEOPLE TO MOW THAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE COVERED, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE IMPACT FEES TO IMPROVE YOUR YOUR YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, HERE'S HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN SPEND IT ON, BUT YOU CAN'T SPEND IT ON THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          RIGHT? IT'S VERY IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAD BEFORE WAS THAT HOW DO WE DO MULTIYEAR PROJECTS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET SOMETHING BUILT IN JUST ONE YEAR. YOU KNOW, ANY IN ANY DEPARTMENT GENERALLY. RIGHT. IT'S SO, YOU KNOW, TO GO OUT 23 YEARS. IT'S PRETTY AMAZING. IT'S A LOT OF WORK. I KNOW YOU DID. AND IT'S YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT. YEAH IN 2036 HOW DIFFERENT IS ARE THINGS GOING TO BE RIGHT. I MEAN YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY. THIS WAS THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO A CRYSTAL BALL AND DOING THE BEST OF WHAT WE COULD AS FAR AS LOOKING AT THIS MANDATE AND TRYING TO STAY TO THAT TO THE BEST WE POSSIBLY COULD, AND HOPING THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT STILL HAPPENS IN THE DIRECTIONS THAT, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO IN THE NEXT HANDFUL OF YEARS. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT SOCCER FIELDS. I JUST NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN MY OWN HEAD. SO WE HAVE TWO ELEMENTS OF SOCCER FIELDS. ONE IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SOCCER FIELDS AVAILABLE IN THE CITY. THE OTHER IS GRADUALLY REPLACING THE ONES IN THE AIRPORT PROPERTY. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TRACKS, RIGHT? WE CAN'T USE THE IMPACT FEE TO REPLACE THE SOCCER FIELD THAT'S ALREADY THERE, AM I RIGHT? WE CANNOT USE IMPACT FEES TO REPLACE THAT. WE CAN. BUT IF IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE BUILDING OUT OUR SOCCER COMPLEX OR OUR COMMUNITY PARK ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE, AND ALSO LOOKING FOR OTHER OPTIONS FOR USE OF OUR PARKS TO PUT TO PUT SOCCER FIELDS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. THAT IS THOSE ARE GOING TO BE TWO DIFFERENT, TOTALLY DIFFERENT TRAJECTORIES FOR US. AND WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO BUILD OUT THE 40 ACRES TO BE THAT SOCCER COMPLEX. BUT WE KNOW THAT WITH THAT GROWTH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED, SOMETHING YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE A FEW SOUTH AT THE AT THE SANDY DOWNS PROPERTY. THERE WILL BE A FEW SOCCER FIELDS. SO THE FIVE AT SANDY DOWNS THEN THAT'S PART OF THE KNOW KNOWING OR THINKING THAT SOCCER IS GOING TO BE GROWING AS A POPULATION. YOU BET. THOSE ARE NEW. OKAY, OKAY, I GOT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR PJ, COUNSELOR? JUST KIND OF IN THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT DON'T LIKE, DON'T THEY PLAY OTHER SPORTS ON THE SOCCER FIELDS BESIDES SOCCER? NOT NOT REALLY AT THE SOCCER COMPLEX, WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO BUILD IS THE SOCCER OR THESE FIELDS OUT AT SANDY DOWNS WILL BE MULTI-USE RECTANGULAR FIELDS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READY FOR, YOU KNOW, IF AS LACROSSE CONTINUES TO GROW OUT, AS RUGBY CONTINUES TO GROW OUT, THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE ON THIS FIELD OR, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY NIGHT FLAG FOOTBALL OR WHATEVER THE GROWTH MIGHT BE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW FACILITIES THAT WE BUILD ARE NOT BUILT IN SUCH A WAY THAT GIVES AN OWNERSHIP TO ONE SPORT, BUT AS A MULTI-USE FACILITY FOR ALL USERS. ALL RIGHT. OTHER. QUESTIONS OR ARE WE DONE? I DO WANT TO JUST COMMEND THE PLAN, BECAUSE I SEE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS ALSO GET BUILT OUT, PUT US INTO COMPLIANCE. THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME REVENUE 
          [01:00:02]
TO PARKS. YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW ELSE CAN WE FUND PARKS. WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, THAT USING THE INDOOR REC MONEY TO ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE AQUATIC CENTER, ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER FULFILLMENT OF THE COMMITMENT OF THE LAST IMPACT STUDY. SO I KNOW THAT YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT LOWERING LEVEL OF SERVICE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL THEN MAYBE WE HAVE CROSSED OFF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CAPITAL PLANS AND PLANNING AND ARE READY TO PUT A CHECK MARK BY THAT. IF THERE WERE OTHER ELEMENTS OF OUR IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE THAT WE WANTED TO REVIEW OVER THE NEXT LITTLE WHILE, TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE CLOSE TO ADOPTING THE NEW PLAN? MARGARET, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH MARY'S CONVERSATIONS HAVE REMAINED. 
          WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING AT DOING? AND I'VE SORT OF COLLABORATED ON THIS WITH DIRECTOR ALEXANDER. IS THAT THE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WORK SESSIONS OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO WHERE WE'LL DIG INTO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE IMPACT FEE, STUDY THE NEXT DISCUSSION, WHICH IS SCHEDULED CURRENTLY FOR JULY 7TH, WOULD BE A ROUND SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND WHAT CONSTITUTES SQUARE FOOTAGE? IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SHOULD NOT INCLUDE UNFINISHED SPACES, SHOULDN'T INCLUDE GARAGES, SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ON THE AMOUNT OF FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL HAD TIME TO THINK ABOUT AND DISCUSS. THEN THE END OF JULY, THE 28TH. WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS CHANGES TO THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE ITSELF. WE HAVE MADE SOME UPDATES, INCLUDING ADDING THE MEDIATION PROVISION. WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THAT, BUT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OTHER. 
          ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS WITHIN THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE. SO THAT WILL BE UP FOR DISCUSSION. CURRENTLY, THE JULY 28TH WORK SESSION AND PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVISION. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE INCLUDES A PROVISION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PULL THAT OUT OF THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE AND PERHAPS MAKE IT PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE OR PACKAGE? THAT'S SOME WAY, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO TRACK AND MONITOR. 
          SO JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO TALK THROUGH THAT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. AND THEN THE PLAN WOULD BE THAT IN EARLY AUGUST, WE WOULD LOOK AT REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, AS WELL AS ANY UPDATES AND CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE STUDY, AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE DATES FOR WHEN THE ORDINANCE WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE AND WHEN THOSE FEES SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PERHAPS THE ORDINANCE AND THE STUDY IS ADOPTED IN OCTOBER, BUT THE NEW FEES DON'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL, SAY, JANUARY 1ST. SO OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY HAS A HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANTICIPATE THOSE. AND OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE ALSO ABLE TO PREPARE FOR THAT. WE DON'T WANT AN INFLUX OF PROJECTS WHERE IF THEY'RE WITH ONE DAY OFF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PAYING ONE FEE VERSUS A ANOTHER FEE. SO WE WANTED TO ALLOW SOME TIME FOR THAT DISCUSSION. AND THEN AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO NEW ISSUES THAT ARE RAISED THROUGH THE WORK OF THOSE WORK SESSIONS, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT DOING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION OF THE STUDY AND ORDINANCE IN IN SEPTEMBER. SO THAT IS CURRENTLY HOW THE PLANS ARE. DOES THAT SUIT? YEAH. QUESTION ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DEFINITION. YES, SIR. ARE WE GOING TO COME INTO THAT COLD. BECAUSE I COULD DREAM UP A LOT OF OPTIONS. OR ARE YOU GOING TO COME WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR POSSIBLE DEFINITIONS FOR US TO CHOOSE AMONG? THERE HAS BEEN SOME MATERIAL THAT ACTUALLY CITY ATTORNEY MIKE KIRKHAM HAS PREPARED AS HE WAS WORKING WITH THESE. THE IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OKAY, HE'S LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE METRIC, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THEM, WHAT THEY'VE INCLUDED, WHAT THEY HAVEN'T. HE'S ALSO LOOKED AT, EVEN IF I REMEMBER 
          [01:05:05]
CORRECTLY, SORT OF WHAT MLS, THE MULTIPLE LISTING SERVICE, WHAT THE REAL ESTATE AGENTS CONSIDERED AS AS SPACE. SO WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION ALREADY PREPARED. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED DEBATED DURING THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT THEY LOOKED AT THAT FOR DURING 1 OR 2 MEETINGS. IF I'M CORRECT, DIRECTOR ALEXANDER. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND AROUND THAT. SO WE'LL HAVE SOME SPECIFIC THINGS TO CHOOSE AMONG. YES. I DON'T HAVE TO INVENT MY OWN. NO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO INVENT YOUR OWN. I COULD DO THAT. IDEAS. OKAY. YOU MAY REVIEW WHAT'S PREPARED AND YOU MAY STILL INVENT YOUR OWN. BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME SOME GOOD OPTIONS, I THINK, TO DO YOUR OWN AND THEN COMPARE IT TO THEIRS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF. SEE IF YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. CITY ATTORNEY KIRKHAM WANTS TO ADD TO ANY OF THAT. BUT AS I SAID, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HE LOOKED AT AS PART OF THAT WORK WITH THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT'S LOOKING AT DOING IT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THERE'S SOME COMMON WAYS TO DEFINE WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS. MOST COMMUNITIES DO NOT EXEMPT UNFINISHED BASEMENTS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE STRONGLY RECOMMENDS. 
          SO. THAT WE LOOKED AT THE MULTIPLE LISTING SERVICES DEFINITION FOR WHAT UNFINISHED WAS, AND INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT INTO THE DEFINITION THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THAT NOW, OR WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU OR WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, I THINK. WELL, WELL, THE PLAN IS TO SORT OF CIRCLE BACK AROUND THAT ON THE SEVENTH, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT. AND I THINK WITH THE TIMELINE THAT WE'VE OUTLINED, THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES TO REVISIT SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION OR IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO. RECONCILE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT IDEAS AROUND SOME OF THESE. I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS THAT OPTION TO REVISIT. HOWEVER, I'M PRETTY SURE WE ALREADY SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE JUST HAVEN'T REFINED IT. AND THE STUDY YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS WRITTEN AS THOUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE METHODOLOGY. AND SO IT'S A MATTER OF REFINING THAT METHODOLOGY RATHER THAN JUST THE DECISION WAS ALREADY MADE. YEAH. AND I DIDN'T MEAN THAT. I JUST THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT BASEMENTS. SO YES, THE CRUX IS DEFINITELY WHAT CONSTITUTES SQUARE SQUARE FOOTAGE. YEAH. YEAH. BUT THAT WAS THE MOTION THAT WE PASSED. IT WAS TO ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO. THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. COUNCILOR FREEMAN, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE ADOPTION TIMELINE THERE. ARE WE GOING TO ADOPT THE SAME NIGHT AS THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME TIME IN THERE TO MAKE CHANGES THAT WE HERE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK WE'LL SET IT UP SO THAT YOU CAN ADOPT THAT NIGHT. IF THE PUBLIC HEARING DOESN'T RAISE A LOT OF ISSUES, BUT IF IT DOES, IT ALWAYS DEFER AND ALLOW FOR MORE TIME. OKAY. AND WE ARE, AS I SAID, THE WAY THAT TIMELINE IS, WE'VE TRIED TO SORT OF MAKE TIME TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE SORT OF COME UP OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS IN PREPARATION FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING. AND ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS IN EARLY AUGUST, AGAIN, IS SORT OF LOOKING AT WHEN DO WE ADOPT AND WHEN DO THE FEES ACTUALLY BECOME EFFECTIVE? I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY WANT TO LOOK AT. ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT PUBLIC HEARING PART. ARE WE GOING TO ENCOURAGE WRITTEN TESTIMONY AS WELL OR NOT? YOU'RE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE WRITTEN TESTIMONY. SO IF THERE IS ANY THAT'S SUBMITTED, YOU'LL GET THAT BEFORE THE MEETING IN YOUR PACKET. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER. ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE COVERED THAT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ON SOMEHOW. ALL RIGHT. WELL IF YOU DO THINK OF SOMETHING, LET ME KNOW SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE WEAVE IT INTO THE, THE THESE OTHER CONVERSATIONS IF WE CAN. AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL JUST DEAL WITH IT WHEN WE DO. BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE THOUGHT THIS MIGHT TAKE ABOUT AN HOUR AND IT DID. COLIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE LINE AND FOR LISTENING IN FOR WHAT YOU COULD ADD VALUE TO. WE APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. 
          [Municipal Services ]
GOOD EVENING. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT MOVES US RIGHT UP TO OUR MUNICIPAL SERVICES ITEM, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE FRONTIER CENTER. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT GOING ON. 
          AND WE HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE WHO ARE READY TO SHARE WITH US WHAT'S GOING ON. I MIGHT MY WHAT I SUSPECT IS THAT WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE ONLINE WHO ARE LISTENING, OR PEOPLE WHO WILL BE STREAMING 
          [01:10:02]
THIS MEETING TO, TO TRACK AND FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT GO AHEAD, PAM, INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM AND WHAT YOU KNOW. YES, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS AFTERNOON. THIS IS JUST A REALLY QUICK UPDATE, AND WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE SEVERAL OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING THE LIVE STREAM RIGHT NOW. SO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A GREETINGS TO THEM AS WELL. AND I ALSO HAVE WITH ME OUR ARCHITECTS AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS I WAS GOING TO SAY, CHRIS CAMPBELL FROM THE ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HERE. THEY THE THREE OF THEM HAVE BEEN WORKING SEAMLESSLY ON THE CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT TODAY AND SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING. SO THIS IS JUST THIS SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR, A FAMILIAR PICTURE. THAT'S THE RENDITION THAT WE HAD RENDERING WE HAD. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST AS A REMINDER, THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION. SO IT'S FACILITIES UPGRADES, IT'LL TRIPLE THE SIZE OF THE LOBBY. WE'RE LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT OVER 6000FT■S. AND IT'S GOING TO ADD ADA RESTROOMS TO ALLOW OUR PATRONS TO BE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITIES WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK MANY, MANY FEET INTO THE SCHOOL HALL OR INTO THE BASEMENT AREA. AND THEN IT'S ALSO ADDING A PASSENGER DROP OFF AREA. IF YOU RECALL, BACK ON DECEMBER 16TH, WE ACTUALLY AWARDED THE CONTRACT TO CONSTRUCTION SOLUTIONS COMPANY. 
          THEY WERE AWARDED. AND THE REASON WE DID THAT ON THE 16TH IS THE A LARGE PORTION OF THIS PROJECT IS COMING FROM TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES, BOTH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT AND THEN AS WELL AS OUR FRONTIER CENTER CREDIT UNION, GENEROUS DONATION. AND I'LL GO OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT HERE AS WELL. SO THE TOTAL CONTRACT WORK WAS ALMOST 7.2 MILLION. SO IT'S 7.1 AND SOME CHANGE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ARTISTIC PACKAGE THAT'S OUT TO BID. IT'S BASICALLY A SIGNAGE PACKAGE, BUT WE'RE CALLING IT ARTISTIC PACKAGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST BUYING A SIGN AT HOME DEPOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SLAPPING IT ON THE WALL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VERY THERE'S A LOT OF ELEGANCE THAT'S GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LOBBY EXPANSION. SO WE WANT THAT TO MEET THAT, THAT THAT VISION THAT CAPITAL CAMPAIGN HAD. AND THEN ALSO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE A.K.M. ROCK'S METRO AND STUDIO ARCHITECTS, WHICH IS RICHARD DODGE. THEY'RE PROVIDING CONSTRUCTION MINISTRIES AND ACTIVITIES IN CONJUNCTION WITH CHRIS CANFIELD OVER WORKS. ANY THREE OF THESE PEOPLE, IN ADDITION TO ED MORGAN, ARE USUALLY ON SITE ON A DAILY BASIS. WE DO GET DAILY REPORTS, SO IT'S REALLY COOL TO WATCH ALL THE THINGS COMING TOGETHER. SO AS A REMINDER, THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT WAS 7.9, ALMOST 7.2. 
          RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE NO CHANGE ORDERS. I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MAYBE HAVING A CHANGE ORDER COME THROUGH IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CHANGE ORDERS, AND WE ACTUALLY STARTED WORKING ON THE PROJECT IN APRIL. SO WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD FOR THE FIRST THREE MONTHS. PAYMENTS TO DATE IS A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION, AND THE CONTRACT BALANCE IS ABOUT 6.2 MILLION AS OF TODAY. I'M GOING TO HAVE ROCKS AND RICHARD DO A CONSTRUCTION UPDATE. WE'LL HAVE CHRIS SHOUT IN WHEN HE NEEDS TO, BUT THEY'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED US SOME REALLY COOL PHOTOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE THEM WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE PHOTOS. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO HAND OVER A MICROPHONE. I THINK ONE OF THE BEST THINGS WE CAN DO IS JUST KIND OF FLIP THROUGH THESE. THESE ARE ACTUALLY IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO KIND OF GET THE SNIPPET OF WHERE WE STARTED. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL TO SEE THIS THING GUTTED IN FRONT, AND THEN IT'S REALLY SEQUENTIAL. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE FIRST STEPS OF THE DEMO PROCESS. AND THEN THAT WILL TAKE US ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, WHICH IS STANDING STEEL. AND SO KIND OF FELT LIKE JUST VISUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE OLD SAYING A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND. SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST KIND OF CYCLE THROUGH THESE, TAKE A LOOK AT THEM, AND THEN WE CAN SHARE SOME VERBAL UPDATES AS WELL AS BUILD ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. SO WE HAVE THE EXCAVATIONS TAKING PLACE. YEAH THIS IS GREAT. THEY'VE ALSO BLOCKED OFF THOSE FRONT DOORS. OBVIOUSLY THE ACCESS THAT'S TEMPORARY THERE. BUT THEY HAVE THE WHOLE INTERIOR OF THAT BLOCKED OFF. AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO REARRANGE THE ACCESS DURING THE FULL EXTENT OF CONSTRUCTION SUCH THAT IT NEVER CHANGED. AND THAT WAS HUGE FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE USERS, SO THAT THERE WAS SOME CONSISTENCY WITHOUT HAVING TO TRY TO WALK PEOPLE THROUGH TUNNELS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF FINAGLING, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK, AND THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THAT CONSISTENCY FOR THE USERS SO THAT IT COULD STAY OPEN. THESE ARE JUST SOME SMALL DETAILS. WE HAD TO GO DOWN QUITE A WAYS TO FLUSH OUT WHAT THE BASEMENT THAT'S IN THERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE COLUMNS RIGHT AGAINST THE BUILDING THAT HAD TO GO FULL DEPTH SO THAT WE DIDN'T PUT ANY PRESSURE ON THE EXISTING BUILDING. AMAZINGLY ENOUGH, THAT CONCRETE ON THE OLD BUILDING IS A REALLY GOOD IT'S BETTER THAN TODAY'S CONCRETE BY FAR. EXACTLY. CONCRETE SEEMS TO, 
          [01:15:05]
IN SOME CASES GET BETTER WITH AGE. AND IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE AUDITORIUM, WE MADE A COMMENT BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS DONE. AND THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE VERY GOOD. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN 1950S THINGS WERE BUILT A LOT DIFFERENTLY, AND THEY WERE BUILT TO LAST. SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS, THAT WE'RE SEEING THE SAME KIND OF THEME THAT WE WERE HOPING TO SEE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. SO DO WE HAVE ANY MORE PORTABLE MICS OR ARE WE JUST LIMITED TO THE TWO? OKAY. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO ASK YOU GUYS TO SHARE ANYTHING REALLY GOOD, WHICH IS HER POLITE WAY OF SAYING I TALK TOO MUCH. SO THIS COMPACTION, GETTING READY TO POUR THOSE INITIAL FOOTINGS AGAINST AGAINST THE EXISTING THERE YOU CAN SEE THE TEMPORARY ADA ACCESS RAMP THERE IN THE BACKGROUND. THAT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE HYATTSVILLE. SO WE MAINTAIN SHARING THAT ACCESS WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN THE LOOP THROUGH THIS WHOLE EXTENT OF THE PROCESS. THEY'RE INVITED TO EVERY MONTHLY CONSTRUCTION MEETING. AND THAT RAMP WAS ACTUALLY BOUGHT FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT FOR THE CITY YEARS AGO, AND MAINTENANCE HELD ON TO IT. AND THEN WE BROUGHT AND THEN AL-AMEER WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PUT IT BACK TOGETHER. SO. SO THE RAMP WAS ESSENTIALLY YOURS. SO STILL IS. YOU CAN HAVE IT BACK AFTER THIS TO. OBVIOUSLY CONCRETE POURS THE REBAR. WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH A THIRD PARTY SPECIAL INSPECTION FIRM THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THE TESTING FOR CONCRETE INSPECTIONS OF REBAR. THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL THE SPECIAL INSPECTIONS REQUIRED FOR THE STEEL ERECTION AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THROUGHOUT THE DURATION, THE COMPACTION OF THE SOILS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND THAT'S THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOCKING REQUIRES THOSE TO BE DIRECTED, CONTRACTED DIRECTLY WITH THE OWNER SO THAT WE AVOID ANY CONFLICT. SO THE CONTRACTOR DOES NOT HIRE THE SPECIAL INSPECTION FIRM. THE OWNER DOES SO. THESE KIND OF FEEL A LITTLE BIT WEIRD. THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF POURED CONCRETE. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A SERIES OF BIRDHOUSES IN THERE, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE PENETRATIONS FOR THE RADIANT HEAT AND PLUMBING SYSTEMS THAT GO BETWEEN THE NEW AND EXISTING. 
          SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE EXISTING WALL OF I THINK WE USED TO CALL IT THE OLD CIVIL DEFENSE ROOM, BUT THAT MECHANICAL BASEMENT DOWN THERE. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO PENETRATE THROUGH ALL OF THAT, THAT WALL FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES BETWEEN THE TWO SPACES RIGHT THERE. AND THIS IS THE WALL STARTING TO GO VERTICAL. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE NORTH WALL THAT HAS THE TALLEST EXPOSURE THERE, THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT. THE WALLS ARE MUCH SHORTER BECAUSE THOSE ARE ACTUALLY OUT TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IT SEEMS KIND OF HARD TO TELL THAT THE FRONT THAT THAT STICKS OUT THERE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE PHOTO IS ACTUALLY THE VESTIBULE, THE ENTRY VESTIBULE, AS IT MANIFESTS ITSELF UP THROUGH THE SLAB. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR COLUMNS. THOSE ARE THE COLUMNS THAT STAND RIGHT UP AGAINST THERE, THAT WE HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FULL DEPTH, THAT WHOLE SERIES OF COLUMNS THAT FOLLOWS THAT RADIUS AROUND THE EXISTING GOES DOWN THAT FULL DEPTH, AND THEN THEY'VE STRIPPED THE FOOTINGS THERE, OF COURSE, ON THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT. AND WITH EVERYTHING CLEAR, BECAUSE WE HAVE A RADIANT FLOOR SYSTEM, WE ACTUALLY INSULATE ALL THE WAY AROUND, BOTH UNDER THE SLAB THAT WILL BE POURED, BUT ALSO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE FOOTING AND FOUNDATION. SO THAT'S THE PURPLE BOARD THAT YOU SEE THERE AS THEY'RE BACKFILLING PINK BOARD, PINKISH PURPLE ISH MOB COLOR OR LIKE. AND THEN THE UNDERGROUND PLUMBING THEY'VE GOT AT THIS POINT, THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING BACKFILLED UNDERGROUND PLUMBING. THE IRONY OF CONSTRUCTION IS SOMETIMES YOU FILL IT ALL IN TO DIG IT OUT AGAIN. BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF HOW THE PROCESS HAS TO WORK. SO THIS IS WHERE THEY'VE EXCAVATED TO PUT ALL OF THE UNDERGROUND PLUMBING IN AND TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE TOILETS AND, AND FACILITIES THERE. SO THIS IS ON THE, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH WINGS OF THE LOBBY ITSELF. AND THEN FURTHER, FURTHER ILLUSTRATING THAT YOU'VE GOT IT'S KIND OF FUN TO LOOK AT THE PICTURE THERE IN THE MIDDLE, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY PICKING UP HOW MANY TOILETS WE HAVE IN THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM RIGHT THERE. SO. WOW. YEAH. AND MEN, WE HAVE TWO. I'M JUST KIDDING. DO THE MATH ON POTTY PARITY. IT'S A THING, RIGHT? GOOGLE IT. RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE MORE THAN TWO JUST. AND DON'T FORGET WE STILL HAVE THE ONES IN THE BASEMENT IF NEEDED. 
          SO. AND THEN JUST THE ELECTRICAL ROUGH IN ALSO GOING IN RIGHT THERE ON THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT. 
          AND THIS IS THE LAST PHOTO, THE MOST RECENT THE ONE THAT WE HAVE. THIS IS STANDING COLUMNS. 
          SO WE'RE GOING VERTICAL AS OF I THINK THEY STOOD THEIR FIRST COLUMN OR TWO THE END OF LAST WEEK. AND THEY'RE JUST STILL LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY FLYING. IT WILL GO PRETTY QUICK. 
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AND THAT'S WHEN IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THOSE THINGS START TO GO VERTICAL. UP TO THIS POINT, WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF DIGGING, A WHOLE LOT OF POURING, AND THEN A WHOLE LOT OF MOVING DIRT BACK IN WHERE WE JUST DUG. AND BUT NOW YOU GET TO REALLY SEE THINGS. THEY HAVE PRETTY MUCH THE SOUTH STEEL WALL FRAME UP AND STARTING THE CURVE BECAUSE I WAS OVER THERE TODAY. 
          YEAH. WE DIDN'T CATCH TODAY'S DAILY LOG PHOTOS FROM THE CONTRACTORS, BUT THIS WAS AS OF FRIDAY. COOL. YOU KNOW, STILL COOL. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL GENERATE EVEN MORE BUZZ AND EXCITEMENT AS PEOPLE SEE THAT BUILD VERTICAL. THAT'S THAT'S ALWAYS THE FUNNY, INTERESTING, EXCITING PART OF THAT AND WOULD FRANKLY EXTEND THE INVITATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD WORK AS A COUNCIL, HOW THE OFFICIAL THINGS WORK, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH, DO WALK THROUGH TOURS AS YOU GUYS DESIRE TO WALK THROUGH THERE. SO YOU MAY WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THEY GET THE SLAB IN. SO THAT'S AFTER THE STEEL IS UP. AND YEAH, YOU'RE KICKING THROUGH THE DIRT A LITTLE BIT LESS AT THAT POINT. BUT BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO AND WE JUST WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE WITH THE CONTRACTOR ON SITE. SO PAM'S ALREADY KIND OF BRIEFED US ON THE STATUS, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROJECT. WE'RE ABOUT 13 TO 15% BUILD AS FAR AS THE OVERALL CALENDAR SCHEDULE. 
          THEY'RE STILL SHOOTING FOR THE END OF FEBRUARY FOR COMPLETION. THE WE IT'S AN 18 MONTH CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. CSC IS PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN GET IT DONE IN TEN. AND FRANKLY, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS PRETTY CONSISTENT. SO THEY'RE DOING WELL OUT THERE. THEY'VE GOT A GREAT SUPERINTENDENT AND A GREAT PROJECT MANAGER SUPPORTING HIM FROM THE OFFICE. SO THAT'S THE BASIC UPDATE. HAPPY TO FILL ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. WELL THANK YOU I'M CURIOUS CHRIS IS YOU'RE THE IN-HOUSE GUY. DO YOU SEE ANY ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE OPTIMISM THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE ARCHITECTS? OR NOT PROBLEMS BUT CHALLENGES? NO, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME NUANCES HERE AND THERE. THERE'S SOME CHANGES MADE FOR ACCOMMODATING BUILDING PERMIT ITEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT EVERYTHING IS BEEN GOING QUITE POSITIVE. SO WE'VE HAD THAT IN MY LAST COMMENT WAS KEEP THOSE NEGATIVE CHANGES COMING KIND OF THING AT OUR LAST MEETING. SO IT WAS A IT WAS A POSITIVE MEETING AND SO. WELL AND TO ALL OF YOU WHAT WHAT WILL WEATHER DO? I MEAN GOING VERTICAL THIS SUMMER MEANS THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME THINGS ENCLOSED ENOUGH THAT WEATHER WON'T REALLY DO MUCH TO US IN THE NOVEMBER TO FEBRUARY TIME FRAME. BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? SHORT OF US GETTING A MICROBURST OR SOMETHING STRANGE? YEAH, WE SHOULD BE IN GOOD SHAPE, DON'T YOU THINK? YEAH. THAT WAS IT'S KIND OF A FUNNY WEATHER WINDOW, AS YOU GUYS WELL KNOW, LIVING HERE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO PUT OFF THE START UNTIL, UNTIL THE IT MADE THE MOST SENSE TO BECAUSE FRANKLY WINTER CONSTRUCTION YOU PAY MORE AND QUALITY DROPS WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOME OF THIS STUFF. AND SO THEY WANTED TO WAIT TILL JUST THAT RIGHT WINDOW WITH THE GOAL OF GETTING EVERYTHING DRIED IN AND TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE FALL HIT. I THINK THE TRICKY THING, JUST BEING VERY CANDID, THE TRICKY THING IS GOING TO BE LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT'S TOUGH TO PLANT IN JANUARY. SO I THINK AS FAR AS THE FINALIZATION OF THAT EXTERIOR PART OF THE BUILDING, I COULD POTENTIALLY SEE THAT BEING JUST A LITTLE BIT LATER, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO GET THOSE PLANTS IN WHILE YOU'RE STILL MOVING AROUND, AND IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO GET THEM IN IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY. SO THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR LANDSCAPING, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE CONTRACT. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE IT COULD CERTAINLY BE EXTENDED, I THINK FROM OUR FROM CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY RUSHING TO DO SOMETHING POORLY WHEN THEY IF THEY WAIT JUST A FEW MONTHS, THEY GET BETTER DIRT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE CONTRACT TO BE EXTENDED. SO HOPEFULLY THAT CAN BE NEGOTIATED. MAYOR, THAT'S THAT. 
          WE DO ISSUE A TCO FOR LANDSCAPING WHEN IT WHEN IT'S A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SO THAT COMES THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT. AND WE USUALLY GRANT THEM WHEN THEY'RE PLANTED IN THE SPRING BECAUSE IN THE WINTER YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T PLANT SO COMMON SENSE. IT REALLY DOES. 
          EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE'LL DO THAT. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLANT IN JANUARY FEBRUARY. THAT WOULD BE THE ONE PART OF THE PROJECT THAT MAY NOT BE QUITE BUTTONED UP AT THAT POINT. SO AND CONTRACTUALLY THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THAT 18 MONTH TIME FRAME. SO IT DOESN'T YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LIQUIDATED DAMAGES TO DEAL WITH OR ANYTHING ELSE. THEY'RE JUST THEIR GOAL IS TEN MONTHS. AND I AND WE RESPECT THAT. AND WE'RE WORKING EVERYTHING ON OUR SIDE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HELP THEM MAKE THAT POSSIBLE. IF THAT'S THEIR GOAL. AND THE AND THE OTHER BEAUTY OF THIS, NOT ONLY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, BUT ALSO AS PART OF THE CONTRACT, THE FACILITY REMAINS OPEN YEAR ROUND, AND WE HAVE SOME REALLY BIG SHOWS THAT ARE 
          [01:25:01]
COMING THROUGH, FINISHING UP FOR THE SUMMER, AND THEN WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK AT IT IN THE FALL WITH OUR SYMPHONY. BUT IT REMAINS OPEN. WE HAVE SIGNAGE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO. WE ARE, WE HAVE PARKING. WE'LL FREE UP SOME OF THE PARKING ONCE WE GET SOME OF THE OUTDOOR. WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT STAGING AREA? STAGING AREAS. THERE'LL BE SOME MORE PARKING THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE. BUT YEAH, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN OPERATING. ALL THE SHOWS ARE CONTINUING TO GO ON WHY THIS CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING. AND PART OF THE PROJECT INCLUDES A DROP OFF AREA. BUT WE DIDN'T SEE ANY PICTURES OF THAT, DID WE? DID WE SEE PICTURES OF THE DROP OFF? AND I WAS JUST LOOKING DOWN. WHERE IS THAT? CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT VERBALLY? IT'S ON HOMES. AND WHERE IT IS, IS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME UP THESE RAMPS THAT YOU SEE RIGHT ON THE PHOTOS. SO MUCH EASIER THAN GOING AROUND ON JOHN ADAMS AND TRYING TO DIP IN WHERE BUSSES RIGHT NOW. RIGHT, EXACTLY. OR NOT. OKAY. SO NOTHING REALLY CHANGES PROJECT WISE EXCEPT SOME SIGNAGE AND PAINT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S THERE. SO IT'S A MATTER OF MAYBE TRAINING THE PUBLIC. SO, SO MANY PEOPLE THINK THEY STILL WILL HAVE ALWAYS USED THE NORTH DOORS, RIGHT, WITH STEEP STAIRS. SO MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TIMING OF THAT CHRIS CAN ADDRESS. THERE'S A PROJECT THAT COINCIDES RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF HOLMES AND JOHN ADAMS WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT, THAT THAT WE'RE COORDINATING SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. ADA UPGRADE, IT'S A SIGNAL UPGRADE PROJECT THAT FIFTH AND HOLMES. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIGNAL AND WE'RE SCHEDULED TO REPLACE THAT SIGNAL WITH ARMS, MAST ARMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO BUT YEAH, THAT'S SCHEDULED TO START IN JULY AND BE DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. AND IS THAT SUPER SENSITIVE TO PEDESTRIAN NEEDS THAT, THAT THAT PARTICULAR PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, IT WILL IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AROUND THAT INTERSECTION. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'LL BE NICE. JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT I WILL SAY THAT IT DID WORK VERY HARD ON ACCOMMODATING THE CONTRACTOR AND THE EVENTS I ATTENDED ONE LAST TWO WEEKS AGO. I GUESS, AND IT WAS WELL DONE IN FILLING THAT FACILITY WITHIN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE. I MYSELF AM GOING TO ONE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I'M CURIOUS TO SORT OF ALSO JUST SORT OF OBSERVE AND SEE HOW IT'S GOING. AND DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? I'VE BEEN MONOPOLIZING THIS QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, CONCERNS. I JUST I DROVE BY THERE TODAY AND I YOU KNOW, I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THE STEEL GOING UP. I MEAN THERE'S WE HAVE VERTICAL PIECES OF STEEL IN THE AIR. SO IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE STARTING TO GET FRAMED. THE HARD THING IS STILL GOES UP LIKE THE FRAMING OF A HOUSE. IT GOES REALLY FAST. AND THEN IT FROM THE OUTSIDE IT FEELS LIKE IT STALLS BECAUSE YOU GET IT IN, YOU GET IT ENCLOSED, AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS GOING ON IN THE INSIDE OF THE PROJECT THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S NOT PROGRESSING. BUT THAT'S THIS IS A SUPER EXCITING STAGE, I THINK TO GET THAT STEEL GOING ON FOR SURE. OKAY. THE IMAGE THAT WE HAVE UP THERE AT THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A SIDEWALK THAT GOES UP AND THERE'S A DARK BIT AND THEN LOOKS LIKE STAIRWAY TO THAT. IS THAT JUST BASICALLY A SIDEWALK THAT'S AT GRADE AND THEN A STAIRWAY UP TO THE UPPER LEVEL OR SO. THE SIDEWALK, THE DARKER. SO THE SIDEWALK IS THE LIGHTER THAT BASICALLY BEGINS. IT'S REALLY THE LANDING FOR THE RAMP THAT COMES AROUND HERE. AND THEN IT CIRCLES. NO, SORRY. SO TO THE LOWER RIGHT. RIGHT OVER RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE YOU ENTER THE RAMP THAT CURVES THEN ON UP AROUND ALL THE WAY UP. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE STAIRS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WALL THAT YOU CAN JUST WALK DIRECTLY UP THE STAIRS, THE RAMP. OKAY. SO AND THOSE STAIRS ARE MIRRORED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROJECT AND THE MIRROR. AND THE RAMPS ARE ALSO MIRRORED FROM EACH OTHER. 
          SO YOU ACCESS THEM STRAIGHT. AND THEN YOU HIT THE CURVE THAT COMES RIGHT UP TO THE MIDDLE AT THE VESTIBULE DOORS. SO ARE THERE FORUMS TWO TWO RAMPS? THAT'S JUST THE STARDOM. AND SO THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE RAMP. AND THEN IT CIRCLES UP TO THE MIDDLE TOWARDS THE MIDDLE THERE. 
          AND YOU CAN TELL ARCHITECTS CAN'T TALK WITHOUT THEIR HANDS. SO SORRY. AND YOU ALSO STILL HAVE RAMP ON THE ON THE NORTH SIDE. SO IF SOMEBODY CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE PARKING THEY CAN STILL COME UP. THAT RAMP LOOKS LIKE VENICE IN THE BACKGROUND. SO YEAH DON'T DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE BACKGROUND. ACROSS THE WATER. IT'S NOT TREES. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED PAM, THE ARTIS&IC PACKAGE. WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF FUNDRAISING ON THAT. AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT OTHERS IN THE ROOM WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS MIGHT HAVE SOME BETTER INSIGHT, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A RENEWED INTEREST IN. YES, ACTUALLY, THERE IS SOME INTEREST IN THE ON THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN SIDE. AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. THERE'S ALSO SOME MONEY AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CONTINGENCY POTENTIALLY TO HELP OFFSET THAT COST. RIGHT NOW 
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IT IS OUT FOR BID. AND WE DID A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS. AND I MENTIONED EARLIER IT REALLY, TRULY IS AN ARTISTIC PACKAGE. IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS SIGNAGE IT NEEDS TO FLOW WITH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THE ELEGANT SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE LOBBY EXPANSION AS WELL AS THE INSTALLATION OF THE ADA RESTROOMS. AND SO THAT PIECE WILL BE ANNOUNCED ONCE WE RECEIVE BIDS AND WE SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE OFFER OR THE, THE POTENTIAL, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL ENTER INTO A CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH AN RFQ, WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS. SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT WITH OUR TOP SUBMITTERS OF PROPOSALS. AND WE'LL HAVE A PROPOSAL EVALUATION COMMITTEE THAT WILL BE REVIEWING THOSE PROPOSALS. OKAY, OKAY. BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY $300,000 WE THINK. AND THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE THAT WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT IS WHAT WE SEEM SO VERY DOABLE. BUT YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN THE REST OF THE FUNDRAISING, ARE WE DONE OR DO WE STILL HAVE A GAP THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FILL? NO. WE'RE DONE. WE DO HAVE A PROJECT PLAN THAT INCORPORATES THE DONATIONS OF THE PLEDGES, IF YOU WILL. SO WE HAD ACTUALLY CASH DONATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED THAT WERE PUT INTO AN INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT THROUGH THE CIVIC FOUNDATION. WE ALSO HAVE PLEDGES THAT PEOPLE HAD PLEDGED THAT THEY WOULD GIVE SO MUCH EVERY YEAR FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. SO THAT HAS ALL BEEN ACCOMMODATED THROUGH AN ACCOUNT THAT IS ACTUALLY HELD BY THE CIVIC FOUNDATION. SO IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THEM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A BALANCE. THE PROJECTED BALANCE IS ABOUT 590,000, A LITTLE UNDER $600,000. THAT'S GOING TO BE COLLECTED WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD. OKAY. NOW IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN FOR OR EXCUSE ME, THE ARTISTIC PACKAGE CAMPAIGN, WHO SHOULD THEY CONTACT? THEY CAN CONTACT ME AND I WILL GIVE THEM THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON IT. OKAY. SO IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND GOOGLE PAM ALEXANDER OR MUNICIPAL SERVICES OR FRONTIER CENTER, YOU'LL, YOU'LL LAND WHERE YOU NEED TO BE TO GET TO GET TO PAM. SOMETHING. I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE ARTISTIC PACKAGE, BUT ALSO HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE. $300,000 SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR SIGNS, RIGHT? BUT THE BULK OF THAT PACKAGE, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IS ACTUALLY THE SEALING ELEMENT THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, THE ACRYLIC TUBES, WE CALL IT A SIGNAGE PACKAGE BECAUSE ALL OF THAT IS AND WILL BE MANUFACTURED BY A SIGNAGE COMPANY. THEY'RE JUST THE BEST FIT. AND SO WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR PROPOSALS, IT WAS TO SIGNAGE COMPANIES BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT'S FABRICATED. AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THAT 300 IS REALLY IN THAT CEILING FIXTURE. AND THEN IT ALSO INCLUDES WAYFINDING AND SOME MORE ARTISTIC SIGNS BEYOND JUST YOUR, YOU KNOW, PERSON IN A WHEELCHAIR CODE, MINIMUM SIGNAGE PACKAGES, I BELIEVE LIKE WAS A BIG PART OF CREATING A FEELING INSIDE THAT NEW LOBBY SPACE THAT WAS SPECIAL. AND SO THAT THAT I THINK IS A BIG PIECE OF IT. 
          COUNCILOR. SEEMS LIKE EARLY ON I HEARD SOMETHING OF A OF A LIGHTING PACKAGE. IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED? YES, SIR. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT WAS A TERM I HEARD. AND THEN IT WENT AWAY TO SIGNAGE, NO SIGNAGE AND AN ARTISTIC PACKAGE. SO, YES, THERE'S BEEN SOME SHIFT IN TERMINOLOGY. THE PART OF THE REASON THAT WE STOPPED REFERRING TO IT AS THE LIGHTING PACKAGE, PER SE, IS THAT SOME OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTS HAD THOSE BEING LIGHT TUBES, THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS. AND IN ORDER TO KEEP THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT MORE FRIENDLY, WE CHANGED THE WAY THAT WE WERE LIGHTING THAT SO THAT THOSE ARE ACRYLIC TUBES, THEY'RE COLORED, THEY ARE LIT BUT ARE NOT LIGHT FIXTURES. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE LIT WITH THE THIS KIND OF COOL WEAVING LED CHANNELS THROUGHOUT. THAT'S PART OF THAT'S ALREADY PART OF THE BASE BUILDING PACKAGE. THIS WAS JUST THE TUBES THEMSELVES, THE KIND OF THE ARTISTIC SIDE OF THAT. SO YOU'VE HEARD ALL THREE TERMS. SO MY APOLOGIES. THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS YOU ACTUALLY ACT AS PART OF THE ACOUSTICS, BECAUSE THAT'S A LARGE SPACE AND IT'S GOT HARD SURFACES ALL OVER WITH THE DRASIL. SO IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO HELP WITH THE SOUND. SO IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO JUST TURN THE CONVERSATION TO SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS ARTISTIC, A LITTLE MORE CRASS, AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE ALL ALONG, AND I JUST THOUGHT, I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP. SORRY. WE ARE PUTTING SOME OF THE RESTROOMS. WE ARE ENLARGING THE RESTROOM FACILITIES DOWNSTAIRS, AND THEN OR THAT WAS ONE OF THE PLANS, I GUESS THAT THAT OKAY, I'M SEEING LOOKS. SO NOTHING IS HAPPENING DOWNSTAIRS ANYMORE. EVERYTHING IS ALL UPSTAIRS NOW. EVERYTHING'S ON THE OKAY, WILL. 
          WHEN? WHEN SOMEONE OPENS THE RESTROOM DOOR, WILL THE PEOPLE IN THE LOBBY HEAR FLUSHING? 
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BECAUSE NOTHING IS LESS UNCOUTH THAN HAVING TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T OR. SORRY, IT'S HARD TO REMAIN COUTH. I'LL SAY IT THAT WAY. WHEN YOU HEAR FLUSHING AND YOU'RE. IT'S JARRING IN A SOCIAL SETTING, AND I'M HOPING THAT THERE'S AT LEAST A VESTIBULE TO MUFFLE THAT. BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THAT WHEN WE'RE HAVING EVENTS? SCREENS? THAT THAT IS A TRICKY THING. AND AS WE WENT THROUGH THE REDESIGN PROCESS, THAT HAS BEEN SOME OF OUR BIG CONCERNS AS WELL, BECAUSE BEFORE WE HAD THE WHAT WE CALL THE LOWER LOBBY, AFFECTIONATELY CALLED THE LOWER LOBBY, WHERE WE HAVE THE BATHROOMS DOWN THERE AND THERE IS A GATHERING SPACE. YOU JUST KIND OF UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE REST OF THAT SPACE. YES. AND SO THEN YOU HAD A LOBBY THAT WASN'T INTERRUPTED BY POTENTIAL SOUNDS. SO THE FEW THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT THE BEST THAT WE CAN IS THAT WE'VE CREATED ESSENTIALLY A DOUBLE VESTIBULE, IF YOU WILL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF DESCRIBING IT. AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN DRAWING ANTICIPATING THIS QUESTION. BUT JUST OUTSIDE THE BATHROOMS, WE HAVE A GLASS WALL THAT TAKES YOU DOWN A SHORT HALLWAY TO INTO THE BATHROOMS. ON THE ONE SIDE, YOU WOULD WALK DIRECTLY INTO A FAMILY RESTROOM, PRIVATE FAMILY RESTROOM, AND THEN YOU WOULD TURN RIGHT AND GO INTO ON THE ONE SIDE, THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM OPPOSITE WOULD BE THE MEN'S RESTROOM, AND THEN INSIDE THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM, THERE'S A SPACE, IF YOU WILL, OR A ROOM OR A SITTING SPACE, A STAGING SPACE. IF THERE'S LONG LINES THAT HELP PROVIDE THAT SECOND LAYER OF KIND OF CUSHION FOR SOUND, FROM WHERE THE TOILET ROOMS AND THE TOILETS AND THE SINKS ACTUALLY ARE. AND THEN WE HAVE A SIMILAR SETUP ON THE MEN'S SIDE. CAN WE GUARANTEE THAT THERE WILL BE NO FLUSHING SOUND? THAT'S A HUGE CHALLENGE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PUT WHEN YOU PUT BATHROOMS RIGHT OFF OF THE LOBBY, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF EXPERIENCE THAT IN AIRPORTS. SO THERE'S BEEN IF YOU FLY A LOT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE AIRPORT RESTROOMS DON'T HAVE DOORS AND THEY STILL DO A PRETTY DECENT JOB OF FLUSHING. THE THING THAT WOULD HELP THEM THE MOST IS DOORS, BECAUSE THEY OPEN DIRECTLY ONTO THOSE PUBLIC WAYS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HOPING THAT THE COMBINATION OF THE VESTIBULES, THE DOORS TO THE VESTIBULE, THE DOOR AND THE INTERIOR VESTIBULE FOR EACH OF THOSE RESTROOMS WILL HELP TO FACILITATE THE CUSHIONING OF THAT SOUND. WE DON'T HAVE QUITE AS MUCH OF A CUSHION IN THE UPSTAIRS, BECAUSE WE'VE ALSO ADDED A MEN'S AND A WOMEN'S TO THE UPSTAIRS MAIN EXISTING MEZZANINE LEVEL, AS WELL AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. THAT ONE, IN MY OPINION, IS GOING TO BE THE HARDER ONE TO CUSHION THAT SOUND. THAT SAID THAT PUTTING THOSE RESTROOMS IN ACTUALLY MAKES THAT UPPER LOBBY LESS OF A OR UPPER MEZZANINE, LESS OF A LOBBY GATHERING SPACE FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT GREAT COMBINATION OF THE EXISTING AND NEW SPACE DOWNSTAIRS. PLUS, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE ED MORGAN, WHO IS EXCEPTIONAL TECHNICALLY, AND I'M SURE HE CAN RIG UP SOMETHING THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME SOFT MUSIC OR SOME SOFT SOUNDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY DETRACT FROM FROM SOME OF THAT BUSY TIME IN THOSE AREAS TOO. AND PERHAPS ON THE UPSTAIRS, THOSE DOORS COULD HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BACK OF THEM THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SOUND ABSORBING. BUT THANK YOU FOR I APOLOGIZE, EVERYBODY. I JUST HAVE NOTED THAT THERE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO BE DIGNIFIED, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HEAR THE FLUSHING. AND THE KICKER IS WHEN THE DOOR OPENS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHEN YOU LOSE SO MUCH OF THAT SOUND BARRIER. YEAH. SO IF WE CAN JUST MODIFY THAT OR MUFFLE IT JUST A LITTLE, THAT'D BE NICE. AND AT THE SAME TIME I IT'S THIS IS PART OF A BIG PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE BASIC BIOLOGICAL NEEDS FOR THE ENTIRE POPULATION. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO BE A SNOB ABOUT ANYTHING. I JUST WANTED TO WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOUGHT WENT INTO IT. AND I KNOW THAT ARCHITECTS DO THAT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, OTHER REALLY? ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANYBODY WANT TO ELEVATE THE CONVERSATION ANY FURTHER I TOOK IT. GOODNESS I GET THE THIRD GRADE AWARD. SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THIS ONE. THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND IT'S HUMBLING TO GET TO WORK ON GREAT, FUN PROJECTS WITH A GREAT TEAM, A GREAT COMMUNITY, GREAT COUNCIL, AND LOTS OF SUPPORT FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM THE CITY AS WELL. SO WE'RE JUST REALLY HUMBLED AND GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON IT. SO IT'S GOOD TO HEAR, BECAUSE WE HAD HEARD THAT ORIGINAL THOUGHT FROM THE HISTORIC SOCIETY THAT IT WAS HAD A, YOU KNOW, A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE BUILDING. BUT WE KIND OF FEEL DIFFERENTLY. AND SO IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT WITH YOUR ARCHITECTURAL SENSE, YOU ALSO FEEL LIKE THIS IS A POSITIVE MOVE. IT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE PROUD OF FOR YEARS TO COME. SO IS THERE ANY ANY CONVERSATION AFTER THAT HISTORICAL CONVERSATION? IT WAS FASCINATING TO HEAR WHO THE 
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ARCHITECT WAS AND THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THEIR ONLY NON LDS TEMPLE PROJECTS. I THINK SOME SORT OF EDUCATION ABOUT THAT INSIDE THE BUILDING. GREAT. SO ON THAT COMMENT, WE IN DOING SOME OF THE RESEARCH AND FIGURING OUT MAYBE SOME RESPECTFUL WAYS TO BECAUSE THERE HISTORICAL I THINK PEOPLE HAVE REALLY STRONG PREFERENCES, HAVE REALLY STRONG OPINIONS AND THEY'RE VALID OPINIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY CREATED AN ARCHITECT'S TRIBUTE GARDEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS YOU WALK PAST. SO ANYBODY COMING FROM THAT NORTH PARKING LOT, WALK RIGHT PAST THAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE GREAT BIG, HUGE METAL GRIDS. SORRY. WE WILL TAKE I'M SPEAKING IN PAST TENSE, BUT WE THE PARTS THAT WE'RE REMOVING WERE ACTUALLY CREATING THREE VERTICAL PANELS FROM THE THREE DIFFERENT UNIQUE SECTIONS OF THOSE GRIDS AND, AND PUTTING THOSE CONNECTED TOGETHER IN THIS REALLY GREAT LITTLE GARDEN RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THEN ALSO PUTTING AN ARCHITECT TRIBUTE PLAQUE WITH SOME IMAGES AND SOME WRITTEN LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT. WE WOULD WELCOME ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. OF COURSE, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO PAGES AND PAGES, BUT BUT CREATING JUST, I THINK THE RIGHT TEXT AND CONTEXT OF THAT BUILDING AND THE APPROPRIATE TRIBUTE TO THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO DO. AND TODAY ALTHOUGH THIS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, BUT BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF TEXT, IF YOU CAN DO A QR CODE THAT GOES TO A WEB PAGE AND THEN YOU HAVE GREAT VISUALS ON THEIR DEVICES. OH YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE'VE LEFT THAT THAT IS BUILT INTO THIS SIGNAGE. ARTISTIC LIGHTING, PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS THE LIGHTING PACKAGE. 
          AND WE'VE KIND OF LEFT THAT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET PROPER INPUT FOR WHAT IS GOING TO GO ON THERE. THE APPROPRIATE IMAGE, THE APPROPRIATE TEXT, A QR CODE EMBLAZONED IN BRASS, BRONZE, WE COULD DO IT. THAT WOULD BE INNOVATIVE. PJ CAN PULL THAT UP. 
          YEAH, PJ IS IN CHARGE OF THAT. SO WE AND COUNCILOR RADFORD, IF I IF I COULD ADD WE ACTUALLY HIRED RESIDENT ARCHITECT GRAHAM WHIPPLE ACTUALLY WAS KIND ENOUGH TO TAKE ON THE PROJECT TO DO A HISTORICAL RECORD SURVEY. AND SO HE'S ALREADY BEEN OVER THERE. THERE HAVE BEEN PICTURES TAKEN. 
          HE HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION. HE'S PUTTING TOGETHER THE FINAL REPORT. SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF SUPPORT, DOCUMENTATION OF THE FACILITY. WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AS WELL. WELL, I EXPECT THAT OUR WEBSITE WILL HAVE A MORE ROBUST OFFERING ON HISTORICAL ANYTHING AFTER WE START IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THE COMMITTEE. WE JUST REPORT THAT WE JUST RECEIVED FROM CDS. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR POINTING THAT OUT, BECAUSE I NEGLECTED TO ADD THAT WE ARE WORKING IN TANDEM WITH CAITLIN LONG, AS WELL AS LISA FERRIS, OUR ADA COORDINATOR. 
          WITH THAT PROJECT CONTRACT WITH RESIDENT ARCHITECTURE. SO IT IS A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. THAT'S ONE OF PAM'S STRENGTHS IS TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF IDENTIFY WHO MIGHT NEED TO HAVE A BIT, A BIT OF INPUT THERE. SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ASK OR. COMMENT ON BEFORE WE MOVE ON? FANTASTIC. THANK YOU SO MUCH, BOTH OF YOU FOR COMING. 
          RICHARD AND CHRIS AND LISA AND EVERYBODY ELSE. VERY EXCITING. THAT'LL BE A FUN RIBBON CUTTING. 
          [Mayor and City Council ]
ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS TO WE COULD STOP AND TAKE A BREAK, BUT I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TAKING BREAKS HERE AND THERE. AND WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT WE NEED TO RECEIVE THE MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION. I MOVE COUNCIL RECEIVED THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE JUNE 3RD MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT. 
          SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CITY CLERK, WILL YOU CONDUCT A ROLL CALL? VOTE FOR THAT. FRANCIS I. FREEMAN. YES. DINGMAN. YES. LARSEN. YES. RADFORD. ALL RIGHT. BURTONSHAW. 
          YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. EVERYBODY. ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE A FEW ITEMS TO SHARE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT COUNCILOR FRANCIS HAS TO LEAVE IN 15 MINUTES. AND SO TO FACILITATE THAT, I THOUGHT MAYBE WE WOULD TURN TO YOU IF YOU HAD A REPORT YOU WANTED TO SHARE FIRST BEFORE I BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK. FIRE AND POLICE AND POWER AS THEY'RE SETTING UP THEIR HISTORY BOOTHS AT THE JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL LAST SATURDAY. SO YOU KNOW, SHOWS HOW DEEP THOSE 
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DEPARTMENTS ARE BACK INTO 1900 OR EARLIER. SO THAT WAS GOOD. AND I KNOW THAT STAFF IN ALL OF THOSE PUT WORK INTO IT. AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALSO, I, I THINK I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE EXCEPT THE JUNETEENTH MUSIC PART WAS JUST AWESOME ON THE THURSDAY. AND THE MAYOR'S STATEMENT WAS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL RECEIVED. I HEARD THAT FROM SOMEONE ELSE THAT YOUR YOUR STATEMENT WAS SPECTACULAR. YEAH, YEAH, I FELT BAD. I FELT BAD ABOUT BEING THERE. SO I'M GLAD THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE THERE IN WORD. SO. ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET ME JUST SHARE A FEW THINGS WITH YOU THIS THURSDAY NIGHTS. EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE TWO COUNCIL, TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS, THREE MORE COUNCIL MEETINGS THIS WEEK. WE HAVE ONE TOMORROW NIGHT OR TOMORROW AFTERNOON. WE HAVE ONE ON THURSDAY. WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS OUR AIRPORT. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE ON THURSDAY NIGHT, WHICH IS OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. I WILL BE PRESENT TOMORROW AFTERNOON, THURSDAY OR WEDNESDAY MORNING FOR THE EDA MEETING. I HAVE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED A FLIGHT. I WAS GOING TO BE AT AN AIRPORT. I WAS GOING TO LISTEN AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY CHANGED THE TIMING OF THE FLIGHT. AND SO I WILL BE IN THE AIR WHEN MOST OF THE MEETING IS HAPPENING. BUT WHEN I LAND, I'M IN A TUNE RIGHT IN. AND SO WE'LL SEE WHAT WHERE YOU ARE. BUT COUNCIL YOU WILL BE RUNNING THAT MEETING AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE SHORT NOTICE. AND THEN ON THURSDAY NIGHT I WILL BE GONE. AND COUNCILOR BURTON WILL BE RUNNING THAT MEETING. THE THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING HAS A FEW ITEMS ON IT. ONE IS IT'S THE CDBG ANNUAL PRESENTATION OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR FUNDING. THERE IS A COUNCIL MEETING LATER IN JULY WHERE YOU, ALL OF YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SORT OF MAKE YOUR THOUGHTS KNOWN ABOUT THE ACTUAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE FUNDS. AND MISS FARRIS WILL ALSO GIVE YOU SOMETHING THAT SHE'S WORKED ON. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IT IS THE PARADE OF APPLICANTS, SO TO SPEAK, ON ON THURSDAY NIGHT. SO BE PREPARED TO HEAR FROM ALL OF THOSE FOLKS. AND THAT WILL STRETCH THE MEETING A BIT, BUT IT'S USUALLY REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR FROM THEM AS THEY COME, COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. THERE IS ALSO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA RELATED TO THE 4TH OF JULY, OR ONE IS OUR, EXCUSE ME, OUR ANNUAL WAVING OF THE FEES THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY CHARGE FOR A PUBLIC EVENT. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE 4TH OF JULY AND IDAHO FALLS, WE WAIVE THE FEES ON TRASH CANS AND PICNIC TABLES AND CERTAIN SANITATION EFFORTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST TO MAKE THIS A COMMUNITY WIDE EVENT. AND THEN THAT'S ONE THE FEE WAIVER RESOLUTION. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM WOULD BE THE INDEMNIFICATION, I BELIEVE MELALEUCA INDEMNIFIES OR INDEMNIFY. I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW TO WORD THAT. MIKE, YOU CAN HELP ME, BUT IN CASE THERE IS SOME KIND OF AN ACCIDENT THAT GOES ON WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE DIMMED, THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. SO I WANT TO ADD ANYTHING THAT'S A GOOD DESCRIPTION. OKAY. OKAY. THEN WE ALSO HAVE OTHER THAN A FEW STRAIGHTFORWARD ITEMS, THERE IS SOMETHING ON THERE THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN MY 12 YEARS. MIKE HASN'T SEEN IT IN HIS TIME HERE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANOMALY IN OUR CODE, I BELIEVE. AND THAT IS, THERE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS APPLIED FOR A LIQUOR LICENSE WHO HAS. GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE STATE, WITH THE COUNTY. THE CITY IS THE LAST STOP. BUT LO AND BEHOLD, AS THE CLERK'S OFFICE SENDS IT OUT FOR FINAL REVIEW, THEY LEARNED THAT THIS PARTICULAR LICENSE IS FOR A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT ZONED PROPERLY, FOR HAVING A LIQUOR LICENSE, AND SO IT MUST BE DENIED. BUT IT'S NOT AN AUTHORITY THAT OUR OUR CITY CODE GIVES TO THE CLERK. IT'S A WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE DENIED. AND THEN THE COUNCIL MUST DENY IT. IN THE MEETING ON THURSDAY, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN NOTIFIED. THEY MAY COME AND WANT TO SPEAK, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE THERE BECAUSE THEY MAY GO, WELL, I CAN'T DO IT. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THIS IS GOING TO ROLL, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE THAT IT WAS HAPPENING. I KNOW THAT I'M BEING SUPER UNCLEAR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVE NO MATERIAL IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT EMILY AND MIKE CAN CLARIFY WHAT I'VE SAID. WHEN THE AGENDA COMES OUT TOMORROW, IT WILL CITE THE SECTION OF THE CODE. WE COULD EVEN POTENTIALLY HAVE A HANDOUT ON THAT FOR YOU IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED IT, OR IF YOU CAN JUST LOOK IT UP YOURSELF. I'M NOT SURE WHICH, BUT WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO FILL IN HERE? WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE CODE SO THAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS NOT A YES OR NO FROM THE COUNCIL, BUT IS A YES OR NO FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER. LICENSE THAT THEY HAVE THE POWER TO GRANT. THIS ISN'T A LICENSE THOUGH, IT'S JUST A PERMANENT. SO IT'S A LITTLE ODD IN OUR 
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CODE. WE MAY WANT TO CHANGE IT, BUT IT'S NOT CHANGED NOW. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, EMILY? OR IF THIS IS FOR THAT FACILITY TO HAVE THEIR ANNUAL LICENSE. JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO THEY'VE ALREADY EXISTED. WHAT'S THAT? IT ALREADY EXISTED. AND NOW THIS IS AN ANNUAL. NO. THIS WAS THEIR INITIAL APPLICATION FOR IT. AND IN THE PACKETS THAT COME OUT WITH THE AGENDA TOMORROW, THERE WILL BE DOCUMENTATION OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE ON FROM THE APPLICATION TO THE INFORMATIONAL MEMORANDUM FROM ZONING, ALONG WITH THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO THE APPLICANT AS THE AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND AS THE MAYOR SAID, THIS IS AN ANOMALY IN OUR CODE. MOST LICENSES AND OR PERMITS THAT DON'T QUALIFY TO BE ISSUED, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE THE WAY THIS WORKS IS THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE IN ORDER FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO APPROVE THE LICENSE. ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS A LETTER FROM ZONING THAT SAYS IT IS ZONED CORRECTLY. THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT. SO MOST OTHER LICENSES OR PERMITS THAT PEOPLE APPLY FOR, IF THEY CAN'T GIVE US EVERYTHING, WE SIMPLY CAN'T ISSUE IT AND IT'S DENIED. THEY'RE LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT IT'S LEFT UP TO COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION. AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THURSDAY, TO MAKE TO MAKE THE DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW OUR CODE. YEAH. IT STRIKES ME AS ALMOST THAT SIMPLE. IT'S LIKE WE I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW ZONING, YOU KNOW, ZONING CODE. AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF A STRANGE ONE. WELL, IT'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST NOT A PUBLIC HEARING PER SE, THAT I, THAT I SAW. IT'S MORE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. IS THAT MIKE? I'M PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW. SO HERE'S WHERE THE LETTER IS REQUIRED, WHICH WASN'T ABLE TO BE PRODUCED. AND THEN. THIS IS WHERE. THE DENIAL PROCESS HAPPENS. SO THE COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER THE APPLICATION, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DENIAL AND HEAR TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE FROM ANY INTERESTED PERSON. OKAY. SO IT DOES SOUND LIKE A HEARING, BUT IS IT OR IS IT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY PRESENT EVIDENCE? YEAH, I THINK IT IS A HEARING. SO. I TREAT IT A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER. IF SOMEONE REACHES OUT TO YOU BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY AND WANTS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, TELL THEM TO COME ON THURSDAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. THE AGAIN, I MEAN, THE TROUBLE IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ZONED APPROPRIATELY. YOU'LL HEAR TESTIMONY ON THURSDAY TO THAT EFFECT. AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR DECISIONS ARE REALLY GOING TO LIE. SO WE'LL TREAT IT LIKE A HEARING IN THE SENSE THAT WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO TESTIFY AND THEN ASK THE CITY CLERK AND MAYBE AND DIRECTOR SANDERS TO TESTIFY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL UNDERSTAND HOW IT DOESN'T FIT THE ZONE AND ALL THAT. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. AND THAT MATERIAL WILL BE ALSO IN YOUR PACKET. SO IT IS JUST A LITTLE ODD. SO BE PATIENT WITH IT. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS FOR FIXING IT AFTERWARD EMILY AND MIKE I THINK ARE WILLING TO TACKLE THAT OR TO PUT IT ON THE TO DO LIST. THAT'S CORRECT. MIKE AND I HAD ALREADY VISITED ABOUT POSSIBLY TWEAKING THAT CODE A BIT. WE JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT IN THAT LAST CHANGE THAT WE HAD TO THOSE SAME CODES. SO WOULD THAT WOULD THAT JUST BE A FUNCTION OF JUST PUTTING THE VERBIAGE IN IN PLACE OF THIS, PUTTING THE VERBIAGE IN THAT'S ALREADY THERE FOR ALL THE OTHER LICENSES THAT YOU THAT ARE HOLDING THIS INTO ANOTHER PROCESS BY JUST ADDING IT TO A LIST OF PEOPLE, THE WAY WE HANDLE OTHER THINGS, I'M NOT SURE WHICH, BUT OKAY, THEY'LL THEY'LL THERE MIKE IS NOTHING IF NOT SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO MAKE THIS ELEGANT. SO WITH THAT, YOUR YOUR COUNCIL MEETING IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER. I WAS THINKING I WOULD PUT THIS TOWARD THE END AFTER THE CDBG, BUT IF YOU THINK THAT THIS ONE MATTER CAN BE DISPOSED OF AND GET THIS ONE PERSON OUT THE DOOR SOONER, I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT EARLIER, BUT IT'S A TOUGH ONE. I THINK WHEN WE HAVE VISITORS THAT ARE DOING THIS, IT'S NICE WHEN THEY CAN GO OVER THERE AND THEY OUGHT TO BE THERE ALL NIGHT, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE KNOW THE NON-PROFITS ARE IN THERE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN IT MAY GO A LITTLE EARLIER THEN. I DON'T BELIEVE WADE WILL BE PRESENT, HOWEVER, ON THURSDAY. SO SOMEBODY ELSE WILL BE GIVING THAT REPORT ON 
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WHY IT'S NOT COMPLIANT. THAT BE I CAN ASK SOMEONE THERE. YEAH, I GUESS IT'S NOT NOT NOT LISA THOUGH IT WOULD PROBABLY. YEAH. THIS IS YEAH, IT'D BE CARRIE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I AM AWARE OF ON THE AGENDA FOR THURSDAY. IT'S NOT A HEAVY AGENDA WITH TEN ITEMS FREE CONSENT. SO ALSO, I WILL BE EMAILING TO YOU INFORMATION ON THE ATI CONFERENCE. NOT UNTIL DECEMBER 3RD, BUT THAT AND THAT USUALLY COINCIDES WITH THE A LEGISLATIVE MEETING THAT THEY HAVE EVERY YEAR TO GET READY FOR THE SESSION. THEY'LL HAVE RTI ONE DAY AND PCI AIC THE NEXT DAY, OR THEY'LL EITHER DO TUESDAY WEDNESDAY OR WEDNESDAY THURSDAY. 
          BUT I WILL PASS THIS ON TO YOU IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THIS, LET CARLA KNOW AND SHE CAN PERHAPS DO THE REGISTRATIONS AS A GROUP. THE THEY'RE SENDING IT OUT REALLY EARLY. I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVEN GOTTEN ANYWHERE NEAR CLOSE TO HAVING THEIR AGENDA FIGURED OUT. BUT ATI THE ASSOCIATED TAXPAYERS OF IDAHO IS THE IT'S THE UNOFFICIAL KICKOFF OF THE LEGISLATIVE SEASON. THIS IS WHERE TOPICS ARE COVERED THAT ARE BREWING, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE OF INTEREST. YOU KNOW HOW WE HAVE A LEGISLATURE THAT REALLY KEYS IN ON TAX MATTERS. AND USUALLY IF SOMETHING IS COVERED HERE, IT COULD EITHER BE A SIGNAL OR IT COULD BE A TEACHING FOR LEGISLATORS. WHEN IT'S A SIGNAL AND IT'S NOT TAUGHT WELL, THAT'S WHEN I GO CRAZY BECAUSE I WORRY. BUT RTI IS ALSO AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY. SO IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRAVELING TO BOISE OR DON'T WANT TO, BUT YOU'RE STILL INTERESTED, I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN PAM HAS ASKED THAT WE PAY FOR VIRTUAL, AND WE PLAY IT IN HERE SO THAT MULTIPLE PEOPLE CAN COME AND LISTEN. IT'S A IT'S A DAY LONG THING. IT'S LIKE A 9 TO 4 KIND OF THING WITH A LUNCH BREAK. SO IF YOU'RE NOT IN BOISE AND YOU'RE WATCHING IT, PERHAPS IF YOU LINK ARMS WITH PAM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE. I'M GOING TO EMAIL THIS TO YOU. MAYBE TONIGHT, MAYBE LATER ON IN THE WEEK. LET'S SEE. WHAT ELSE DID I WANT TO SHARE? WE'LL BE PUTTING OUT A NOTICE TO CITY EMPLOYEES IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK. THAT PROBABLY EARLY NEXT WEEK THAT THEY CAN, THAT THEY'LL BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE A FREE PASS TO THE RODEO. THAT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO WORK ON THEIR PASSES. BUT IF RODEO IS TRUE TO SCHEDULE, THEY'RE TOUGH ENOUGH TO WEAR. PINK NIGHT WOULD BE FRIDAY, AUGUST 1ST. JUST FYI, THE TOKAI VILLAGE 70TH ANNIVERSARY IS COMING UP ON JULY 7TH. WE DID SEND THEM A VIDEO. THEY SEEM TO BE SEEM TO BE HAPPY WITH IT, AND WE PUT IN SOME PICTURES OF THE RIVERWALK AND THE JAPANESE FRIENDSHIP GARDEN. 
          THE VIDEO THAT WE SHOWED. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. I THINK THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT. I GUESS WE'LL JUST GO AROUND THE ROOM AND WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM JIM, SO WE'LL START WITH THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND WORK OUR WAY. YEAH. ONE THING THAT THAT I JUST DIDN'T HAVE ON MY CALENDAR IS ON JULY 16TH, THE PUBLIC WORKS ANNUAL UTILITY MEETING. IS THAT A DO WE HAVE A TIME ON THAT AND DOES THAT DO OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THAT ON THEIR CALENDARS? PROBABLY BE I DON'T KNOW WHY A SURVEY I REMEMBER THERE WAS THERE WAS A DOODLE POLL, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK I EVER GOT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN PUT ON ANYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW. CARLA AND. CHRIS HAVE BEEN HANDLING IT, BUT TYPICALLY WE START AT LIKE FIVE, FIVE, 35 TO 7, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'LL HAVE PIZZA OR SOMETHING AHEAD OF THAT. ON CHRIS'S CALENDAR. THERE'S MPO AND HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO GET FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. AND I AND I HAVE TRIED TO FIND OUT FROM STEPHANIE GAZDIK TODAY WHETHER OR NOT THAT BE MPO MEETING IS EVEN, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE TIME HASN'T BEEN SET IN STONE BECAUSE BUT THE DATE IS SET, I BELIEVE. 
          SO, I MEAN, I THINK WELL, THAT'S I, I HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH CHRIS AND SO IF WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE 16TH, THAT IS HIS BEST DATE. SO MAYBE JUST PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY GET IT. TRUE. BUT I THINK THE TIME WILL BE DICTATED. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE DATE. SO IF YOU DO AS SOON AS I HEAR BACK FROM CARLA, KNOW RIGHT AWAY I WILL. OKAY. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED A JULY MEETING WITH MPO. MAYBE IT'S THE JUNE MEETING WE DIDN'T NEED, BUT I'D HAVE ANYWAY BECAUSE OF WHERE WE WERE AT. SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS. THAT'S THE ONLY. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE TO REPORT. OKAY? ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE, MR. FREEMAN. YEAH, I DO, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE WILDFIRE SEASON. WE DEPLOYED TWO ENGINES TO CALIFORNIA ALREADY AND AN AMBULANCE TO ARIZONA. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING. 
          THAT STARTED PRETTY EARLY. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A PLUG FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER ABOUT THE 4TH OF 
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JULY AND TELL PEOPLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE INSTEAD OF NOISE AND A BAG OF DOG FOOD INSTEAD OF FIREWORKS, AND GIVE IT TO YOUR LOCAL SHELTER OR CAT FOOD. KITTEN SEASON. THANKS, COUNCILMEMBER FREEMAN. SO NICE OF YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN KIND OF ALONG THOSE SAME LINES. IT EVERY TIME THAT AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER IN THE CITY GETS CALLED OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR YOUR PET MISSING AND IT'S NOT MICROCHIPPED, IT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF MY OPINION OF CITY SERVICES. PLEASE MICROCHIP YOUR ANIMALS. IT'S FREE. IT'S ANIMAL SHELTER. IT'S LOW COST ANIMAL SHELTER. EVERY VET IN TOWN CAN SELL YOU MICROCHIP AS WELL. SO LET'S GET PETS BACK HOME. AND LET'S RESERVE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ANIMAL CONTROL TIME FOR WHEN THEY REALLY NEED IT. AROUND THE 4TH OF JULY, AND HAVE THEM DO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE IMPACTFUL. 
          IS IT SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD BE AT, GET A BOOTH OR SOMETHING AT SOME OF THE EVENTS THIS SUMMER AND MAYBE EVEN TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE. OKAY. AND THEN YOU MADE ME THINK OF ANOTHER ANOTHER QUESTION. OKAY. I'LL THINK OF IT IN A MINUTE. WE'LL GO AROUND TO COUNCIL. JUST I MENTIONED LAST TIME THE LIBRARY, HAL HAD RETIRED AFTER 20 YEARS, I THINK IS ON THE BOARD FOR THE LIBRARY. THE LIBRARY BOARD IS ONE OF THE UNIQUE, LONG RUNNING, VERY EXPERIENCED BOARDS IN THE CITY. THEY DID GET A NEW PERSON APPOINTED AND SWORN IN. WE SAW IT ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ROGER CHUNG. SO THAT'S FUN. SEE IF HE'LL LAST 20 YEARS TAKING HIS SPOT. AND THEN CDS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NECESSARILY ANNOUNCED, BUT THAT'S WHAT I. OH, AND THANKS TO JUNETEENTH AS WELL, I HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE AT BOTH EVENTS. I THOUGHT THAT PARTICULARLY THE. THE NIGHT BY THE RIVER WAS REALLY COMPELLING TO BE OUT. THERE. IT WAS THE SAME AS SATURDAY'S MARKET AS THE FARMERS MARKET TOO. SO IT MADE IT SO THAT PEOPLE THAT WERE ALREADY OUT COULD. SAY, HEY, I REALLY ENJOYED THE 14 BEING OUT THERE. IT WAS IT WAS A NICE DAY, BREEZY. OH, AND ONE OTHER THING. 
          GENIUS ON THE ALIVE AFTER FIVE. IT'S JUST BEEN I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE HOW MUCH BETTER IT IS. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS TO WORK ON LIKE ONE IS THE BATHROOMS AREN'T PART OF THE ALCOHOL SITUATION. SO A LOT OF I WAS THERE STANDING BY THE BATHROOMS, AND SO MANY WOMEN HAD ALCOHOL IN THEIR HAND AND NEED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. I THOUGHT WE DID INCLUDE THAT. I THOUGHT WE DID THAT INTENTIONALLY. OKAY, SECURITY STANDING THERE AND WILL NOT LET YOU TAKE IT INTO THE BATHROOM, WHICH MIGHT BE JUST GENERALLY TRUE ANYWAY. BUT AND SO THEN THEY SET UP A TABLE AND THEY WERE ASKING ONE TO SET ALCOHOL DRINKS ON IT. LIKE THAT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT. SO I THINK WE COULD MAYBE CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. I DID SEE THAT THEY HAD SOME PORTA POTTIES SO THAT PEOPLE ARE IN THE SECTION NOW, AND THAT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE, BUT IT'S JUST BEEN A FANTASTIC SITUATION THERE. AND THE CROWD THAT'S COMING IS MUCH MORE FAMILY AND PETS AND MORE FAMILIES THAN EVER BEFORE. AND MORE FOOD, TONS MORE FAMILIES. SO IT'S JUST A REALLY GREAT THING. AND I POSITIVES. YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET OUT AND SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PERFECT. AND THAT TIME OF NIGHT, THOSE TREES THAT FREEMAN BROUGHT US HERE ARE ALL IT'S ALL SHADE. AT THAT TIME I HAD IT FIVE FROM 5 TO 7. SO THAT'S GOOD. VERY GOOD TO HEAR. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LARSON. JUST KIND OF A THOUGHT FROM PUBLIC WORKS IS THE SEASON, YOU KNOW WHAT OTHER TWO SEASONS. WINTER AND CONSTRUCTIO. 
          AND THAT OBVIOUSLY THE CITY WORKS VERY HARD TO COORDINATE AND CORRELATE AND KEEP TRAFFIC FLOWS. AND CONTRACTORS HAVE THIS ODD WAY OF SAYING, GOSH, WE CAN'T DO IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT SOME OTHER TIME AND THEY GIVE A NEW DATE. SO AS YOU GET COMMENTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT A PERFECT WORLD. AND THE CITY'S PRETTY CAREFUL CITY BEING AGGRESSIVE ABOUT SETTING HARD DATES ON THINGS BECAUSE THE CONTRACTORS CAN MOVE THEM AROUND. SO ON THAT NOTE, HOW HOW'S BOULEVARD COMING FOR THE PARADE? THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON IN BOULEVARD RIGHT NOW. IT'S IT WAS PAVED TODAY. WELL, IT WAS HALF OF IT WAS PAVED 
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EARLIER. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CURB WORK GOING ON TO WHERE THEY HAVE. YEAH. THERE'S. YEAH I CAN'T ANSWER THAT SPECIFICALLY. I JUST KNOW OBVIOUSLY 4TH OF JULY IS BIG. THE HIT PARADE IS A PUSH TO GET IT DONE. 2 OR 3 THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE STOPPED EVEN THEY WEREN'T QUITE DONE. SO TRAFFIC COULD FLOW UNTIL. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I KNOW. ALL RIGHT I DO WONDER SORRY. I DO WONDER IF WE COULD HAVE A MEETING. APRIL FOR THE PUBLIC, KIND OF LIKE WE DO AND JUST PREVIEW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. LIKE THESE PLACES ARE GOING TO BE GOING. I KNOW WE TRY WITH INFORMATION ON FACEBOOK AND EVERYTHING, BUT YEAH, IT IS IT'S A LOT EVERY SUMMER AND WE'RE GROWING CITY. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF. A LITTLE SIDE NOTE, I'M PREPARING A PRESENTATION TO A SMALL GROUP. AND I KNOW GROWTH AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT ARE HUGE ISSUES WITH LOTS OF FOLKS AND JUSTIFIABLY SO. SO I LOOK BACK AT HISTORIC GROWTH RATES WITH JUST THE, YOU KNOW, EVERY TEN YEAR CENSUS. IT'S BEEN AMAZINGLY FLAT FOR 5 OR 6 DECADES, SINCE BETWEEN ABOUT 11 AND 15% IN A TEN YEAR SPAN IN TERMS OF GROWTH. SO IT'S BEEN VERY STABLE. AND, YOU KNOW, 1,015% GROWTH IS A LOT. BUT MY POINT BEING IS IT'S NOT LIKE THE GROWTH HAS REALLY SPIKED RECENTLY, RIGHT? IT FEELS THAT WAY TO PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE NOW. BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. AND I GUESS OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGER THE BASE, THE PERCENTAGE MEANS MORE ACTUAL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. YOU KNOW, 15% OF 60,000 IS A LOT MORE THAN 15% OF 20,000. BUT NONETHELESS, THE ADVICE STUDY WAS REALLY COMPELLING AROUND THOSE NUMBERS AND THAT THEY MISSED IT BY 20% LOW. SO I'VE BEEN SEEING NUMBERS LIKE 4.8 SINCE 2020, WHICH IS THAT IS THE SEEMS. BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN YOU LOOK BACK, IT'S ALL VERY MUCH 1 TO 2% EVERY YEAR. YEAH. IT JUST MOVES AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT. SO OTHER THAN WHEN THE BUYOUT SHOWED UP, WE HAD SOME INTERESTING NUMBERS THAT I LOOKED AT WHEN WE DID THE 2020 STATE OF THE CITY, AND I GOT SOME REALLY GOOD DATA FROM BRAD KRAMER, SO WE MAY HAVE TO SEE IF I CAN FIND SOME OF THAT. SEND ME YOUR WAY. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAD SOME REALLY HUGE GROWTH SHORTLY AFTER THE WAR, AND THEN WE HAVEN'T SPIKED REALLY SINCE THEN. WELL, YEAH. 
          YEAH. WHEN THE LAB CAME THAT REALLY THAT WAS A BIG SPIKE THAT WE WENT FROM LIKE 8000 TO 20,000 AND ABOUT FOUR YEARS, YOU KNOW. SO I'LL JUST SAY, IN FAIRNESS, IF YOU LOOK AT BUILDING PERMITS FOR MULTIFAMILY, THEY TOOK A BIG SPIKE LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS IF I REMEMBER WHAT I, WHAT I SAW. AND SO NOW WE'RE SEEING THE RESULTS OF THAT. THERE'S A TIME KIND OF DELAY ON THAT. BUT THIS YEAR WE'RE KIND OF SETTLING BACK DOWN AGAIN. SO IN TERMS OF. BUILDING THOSE ARE PRETTY NOTICEABLE. SPIKE. SO MARGARET AND I WENT TO A WORKSHOP AT AIC WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AND SOME OF THE GAPS AND ALTERNATIVES, AND I'M CONTINUALLY SURPRISED AND PLEASED, I SHOULD SAY, PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT THE IDAHO COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO MOVE ON MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING WHEN WE DID WAS. SO IT WAS IT WAS LIKE YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING INTO A CRYSTAL BALL, BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS PUT US MUCH FURTHER AHEAD OF MOST COMMUNITIES THAT ARE JUST NOW STARTING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. AND HERE WE ARE WITH, WITH A RICH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE RICHER OFFERING. AND WE'RE PROBABLY NOT PERFECT WHEN IT COMES TO HOW MANY DUPLEXES AND HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE BUNGALOWS AND WHATEVER IN BETWEEN THE MASSIVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. BUT WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT MORE GOING ON THAN WE WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE. AND SO THAT WE IN THAT ONE WORKSHOP, A LITTLE BIT WAS CONFIRMED. THERE WILL BE THIS COMING FRIDAY AT CEI, AND I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SCHEDULE AND I APOLOGIZE, I FORGOT TO PUT IT THERE AND CATHERINE CAN HELP ME. WHAT TIME IS IT? 5 TO 7, 5 TO 7. FIVE TIMES IN THE BOARDROOM. IN THE BOARDROOM. OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE BEHIND THE CAFETERIA. THE INTERIM COMMITTEE ON HOUSING THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS PUTTING TOGETHER HAS PUT PULLED TOGETHER. AND THERE ARE SOME GOOD PARTICIPANTS ON THAT. BUT SENATOR WOODWARD, WHO IS SOMEONE WHO I FOUND TO BE INCREDIBLY TRUSTWORTHY, HE IS ONE OF THE LEGISLATORS WORKING ON IT. MAYOR CHADWICK IS REPRESENTING CITIES. HE IS VERY VOCAL. SO WE'LL SEE. SO HE WON'T BE QUIET IN THAT EFFORT. BUT I DOUBT HE'S TRAVELING. THERE ARE ABOUT 20 PLAYERS ON IN THAT 
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INTERIM COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S NOT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED WHO WAS IN THAT MEETING IS MAYBE YOU JUST THE TWO OF YOU ON FRIDAY WHEN WE HAD THE LARGE CITIES MEETING AND I ASKED, HOW ARE HOW IS THAT EFFORT THAT AIC IS A SMALL PART OF THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS LEADING? HOW IS IT DOVETAILING WITH THE PRESENTERS THAT MARGARET AND I SAW? THE LEAPFROG, I THINK IS WHAT THEY'RE. YEAH, THE LEAD PROJECT, LEAD PROJECT. AND THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT WORKING TOGETHER. AND THEN I AND THEN I ALSO MENTIONED SENATOR CRAPO'S EFFORTS. THEY DIDN'T SENATOR CRAPO IS NOT A PART OF THIS INTERIM COMMITTEE. SO THERE ARE STILL SOME SEPARATE EFFORTS. AND THEN I KNOW THAT, CATHERINE, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION. THAT IS IT. DOES IT TIE INTO ANY OF THESE OTHER EFFORTS OR IS IT YET ANOTHER SEPARATE? SEPARATE? OKAY. SO WHAT I HAD ASKED AIC WAS, HOW ARE YOU WORKING WITH ALL THESE OTHER HOUSING INITIATIVES? AND THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE WAS, WELL, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PARTNERS AND THEY'VE LISTED OFF ALL THEIR PARTNERS. IT'S LIKE, WELL, GREAT, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PARTNERS RIGHT HERE IN THE STATE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION? WHAT ABOUT SENATOR CRAPO? AND WHAT ABOUT THIS PRESENTER THAT YOU HAD TWO DAYS EARLIER AT THE CONFERENCE? SO. DON'T LET ANY ONE EFFORT TO USE YOU WITHOUT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE OTHER STUDIES GOING ON ON HOUSING. AND WE'LL WE'LL RELY ON CATHERINE TO PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THOSE, AND WE'LL RELY ON SOME OF YOU, IF YOU CAN, TO ATTEND ON FRIDAY FROM 5 TO 7. AND THE LISTENING POST TYPE OF EXPERIENCE, THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO US OR WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THEM. I'M NOT SURE THE AGENDA WE'RE GOING TO BE LISTENING TO THEM WITH THE FRAMEWORK OF THAT PRESENTATION, AND THEN THEY WANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO WE HAVE INVITED GUY CARD. HE'S TRYING TO HELP OUR ASSOCIATION. ALL SORTS OF PARAMETERS CARRY OUT A VERY ROBUST EMAIL TO PLANNING AND ZONING. WE'VE ALSO HAD THE CHAMBER GROUP. WHAT TIME WILL YOU INVITE US? 5 TO 7. YEAH. THEY'RE ACTUALLY AND THAT'S AN INVITATION. YES. THE MAYOR WILL SEND THE COUNCIL THAT ROOM THOUGH. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN TOWN ALL DAY. BUT THE 5 TO 7 IS THEIR PUBLIC FACING PART OF THEIR FRIDAY FROM 5 TO 7. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EAST IDAHO SPECIFICALLY SHOWED UP WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK. 
          SO WE JUST ARE DOING OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS ANALYSIS, ASSESSMENT AND ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION WHAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FACING YOUR COMMUNITY? AS SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO GET THROUGH A CRISIS OR JUST IN YOUR COMMUNITY AT ALL? AND NUMBER ONE, 88% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I WAS ON THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR'S CALL YESTERDAY, A WEBINAR FOR YEARS FROM 19 FROM 2014 TO 2020, THE HOUSING IN IDAHO JUST SKIRTED 30% OF INCOME. IT WAS JUST ALMOST PERFECTLY ALIGNED, A LITTLE ABOVE THE LOW. SINCE 2022, WE'RE NOW 40% OF INCOME ACROSS THE STATE, SO EVERYONE'S PAYING 40% OF THEIR INCOME NOW, NOT 30%, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE NORM. SO ANYWAY, JUST IT'S EMERGING AND IT'S CONTINUING TO SO IS THIS IS THIS WORKING GROUP WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO GETS ASKED QUESTIONS LIKE, WHO'S GOING TO LIVE IN ALL THESE APARTMENTS AND CONDOS? ARE THEY ALL EMPTY? WELL, HERE WE ARE AT ALL TIME. AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN CEDAR RIDGE, THE RIGHT ACROSS SUNNYSIDE, THE TOWNHOMES THAT GOT BUILT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT RESIDENTS WITH CYBERTRUCKS. AND SO STARTING AT ONE, ONE, 90, 99, $1,999. YEAH, THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN IS THERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BUILT IF YOU HAVE A GOOD RABBI? YEAH, THEY START AT $1,950 A MONTH. IS THERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BUILT? IS THAT IS THAT IS THAT A QUESTION THAT THIS GROUP IS GOING TO ANSWER? WELL, I THINK THAT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES ARE ATTACKING THE PROBLEM OF AFFORDABLE OR AFFORDABILITY DIFFERENTLY. AND THERE IS THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONSENSUS OUT THERE THAT CITIES HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY, BUT THERE IS NO LINE OF INCOME. THERE'S NO WAY TO HIRE AN EXPERT TO ANSWER TO CONSTITUENTS NECESSARILY, THAT WE NEED TO DO IT. SO THEY JUST OPENED A BLACK LEATHER AT THE END OF THE ROAD. SO THAT WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK IT'S 300 OR 200 OR 300 UNITS. YOU'LL DRIVE BY NEXT TO THE GRADE SCHOOL. AND THAT CAME THROUGH OUR OUR INITIATIVE. SO WE PAID SOME FEES, BUT PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH. CATHERINE. EXCUSE ME. 
          APPARENTLY. I HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK. COLD. TWO THINGS I LEARNED LAST WEEK ON A TRAINING CALL WITH APA, WHICH IS THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION THAT WE ARE THE LANGUAGE TO USE 
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NOW IS ATTAINABLE HOUSING. SO EVERYONE CAN RETAIN HOUSING. SO JUST CHECK THAT IN YOUR POCKET. 
          SECOND THING IS. I JUST WANT TO I'M SORRY. IGNORE ME. THAT'S GREAT. THOUGH. ATTAINABLE IS A GREAT WORD BECAUSE THE OTHER WORD WE'VE BEEN HEARING A WORKER. OH, YES, I'VE HEARD OF THAT. IN TALKING WITH OUR MARKET RESEARCH EXPERTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH. NICK AND BLAKE, DARREN HUGHES, NICK TERRY, DARREN HUGHES, THEY ARE REPORTING THAT MULTIFAMILY IN IDAHO FALLS IS A 5% BUILT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS, IS DELIVERED. SO THE MULTIFAMILY THE APARTMENTS THEY REALLY ARE FULL MARKET. YOU KNOW THAT MARKET RATE AND IT'S ABOUT 85%. SO THEY SHARED A WHOLE BUNCH OF DATA WITH ME. SO WHEN WE GET THOSE QUESTIONS TO ABOUT ALL THESE APARTMENTS, THEY ARE FULL. IF A PLANE IS 85% FULL IT'S SUCCESSFUL, RIGHT? SURE. YEAH. 
          THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. LISA, ONE PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT I THINK SHOULD HAPPEN AROUND THE IMPACT FEE STUDY AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE ORDINANCE, I THINK THAT WE PICKED IT PRETTY SOMEWHAT RANDOMLY BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT IF A CITY DOES HELP, THAT'S A CHECK MARK ON THE APPLICATION. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW AT WHAT LEVEL OF CITY PARTICIPATION, BECAUSE EVEN AT THAT TIME, WE WEREN'T SURE. IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THIS FEELS LIKE A GOOD AMOUNT THAT THAT WE CAN SAY THAT. BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BECAUSE I AGREE THAT BLACK FEATHER, IT'S CALLED BLACK FEATHER, RIGHT? THE ONE OVER BY BUSH ELEMENTARY. 
          THAT IS TRUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO SO THAT THAT CHECK MARK CAN BE INCLUDED, I THINK IT DOES GO A LONG WAY. AND I THINK THAT IS A PART OF WHAT CATHERINE CAN RECOMMEND WHEN WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN A FEW WEEKS OR NEXT MONTH. BUT I DO ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY REALISTIC ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE DOLLARS TO FUND IT. AND MAYBE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE MENTIONED ON FRIDAY TO THE LEGISLATURE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO FUND OR TO SUBSIDIZE THESE PROGRAMS FROM WITHIN. ARE THERE STATE DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR THAT? AND MAYBE IT IS. MAYBE ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS, IS THE HOOK UP FEES, RIGHT? I MEAN, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE THAT WE SAY, OH, WE GOT THIS GRANT MONEY FROM WHEREVER, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE THE HOOKUP FEE. AND SO IT IS IT'S MONEY AND MONEY OUT, NOT NECESSARILY TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND IT ALLOWS FOR THAT CHECK OFF. SO IT ALLOWS YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT THE VALUE OF A CITY SUBSIDY OR HAS TO BE. YEAH. GRANT OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT. ALL RIGHT. A COUPLE OTHER QUICK THINGS. 4TH OF JULY, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE WHEN WE DID A LITTLE POLL, THERE WERE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS INTERESTED IN WALKING WITH THE GROUP THAT GATHERS FOOD. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S STILL HOLDING. YOU'RE DOING YOUR OWN THING. SO YEAH, I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL DO YOUR OWN THING OR HAVE TRAVELS, BUT I THINK THERE WERE OTHERS OF YOU THAT WERE PARTICIPATING. SO JUST LETTING YOU KNOW IF ANYTHING CHANGES, I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK OR I THINK THAT HE IS HE WAS A NO. I THINK IT WAS A NO AND NO AND NO. THAT WASN'T HE STILL BOTHERED? YES AND YES. IS THAT RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS. IN AUGUST, THAT IS THE ANNUAL MEETING, ANNUAL CONFERENCE. IT IS DESIGNED FOR BOARDS, NOT FOR SO MUCH FOR THE DIRECTORS, WHEREAS THE MEETING IN DECEMBER IS A LITTLE MORE BUSINESSY FOR DIRECTORS. BUT SO FAR NO ONE IS PLANNING TO ATTEND THAT IT'S BEING HELD IN CALIFORNIA, SOMEWHERE NEAR TAHOE. YEAH, SOMEWHERE NEAR THERE THIS YEAR. SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IF IT'S FIRE SEASON, IT'S MISERABLE. BUT IF IT'S NOT FAIR SEASON, IT'S A PLEASANT PLACE. I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER ANYBODY HAS RETHOUGHT THAT. THE THOUGHT IS THAT OUR CONNECTIONS RIGHT NOW ARE CONNECTIONS. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT OUR US AFFILIATION ISN'T OUR MOST PRESSING OBLIGATION RIGHT NOW WHEN IT COMES TO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LEARN AND MASTER AND WHATEVER. AND SO MAYBE THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT THERE. BUT I DO KNOW THAT AT ONE POINT THERE WAS ON THE AGENDA, AND HE'S HAVING TO WORK HIMSELF OFF THE AGENDA. I SUGGESTED THAT THEY REACH OUT TO SARAH OR ONE OF OUR NEW EMPLOYEES AS A SUBSTITUTE, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT SHE MAY BE THE ONLY ONE ATTENDING. I WAS PLANNING TO ATTEND, BUT I MAY RETHINK IT DEPENDING ON ON OUR PARTICIPATION. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO FIND OUT IF THEY'VE GOT ANY NATURAL GAS TRAINING, AND IF THEY DO, THEN IT MIGHT COME BACK 
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INTO BEING WORTH OUR WHILE. SO JUST JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, THAT RIGHT NOW I'M NOT CONCERNED, BUT TRYING TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT A LITTLE BIT. THE LAST THING IS THAT THAT VERY SAME WEEK IN AUGUST, SO I DON'T HAVE THE DATES MEMORIZED, BUT 22ND, 29TH, LIKE THE 20TH THROUGH THE 23RD TYPE OF A THING IN AUGUST, THAT'S THAT WOULD BE SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY OF THAT WEEK. BUT REALLY IT'S ONLY SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT. BUT TRAVEL SPREADS IT TO WEDNESDAY. THERE IS ALSO GOING TO BE A WATER TOUR. AND THEY HAD LOOKED AT THURSDAY THE 21ST FOR THE WATER TOUR AND THAT FELL APART. AND SO NOW THE WATER TOUR IS LOOKING LIKE IT'LL EITHER BE FRIDAY, WHICH NOBODY LIKES FRIDAY EVENTS. SO IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE TUESDAY THE 19TH. SO IF YOU'RE IN TOWN, DON'T GO TO UM'S AND YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WATER ISSUES. THE 19TH MIGHT BE A GOOD DAY TO SET ASIDE IF YOU CAN. THE FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON ELECTED OFFICIALS. THE FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON SENATOR COOK'S CONVERSATION THAT HE WANTS TO HAVE ABOUT INCREASING WATER STORAGE. BUT AND THERE WILL BE A LITTLE EXTRA TRAINING ON THE SORRY, THE WE CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE DAM. THE TETON DAM. YEAH, YEAH. THE CONVERSATION AROUND REBUILDING IT, THE I THINK THE EASTERN IDAHO WATER RIGHTS COALITION, TO WHICH WE BELONG, AND THEY WILL BE ONE OF THE HOSTS OF THIS TOUR, ALONG WITH THE HENRYS FORK WATERSHED FOUNDATION. THEIR THEIR EMPHASIS IS MORE ON LET'S FOCUS ON STORAGE. LET'S FOCUS ON RAISING EXISTING DAMS. BEFORE WE GO TO THE CONVERSATION OF REBUILDING A DAM HERE, OR A DAM AT ANY OF THE ELIGIBLE TETON DAM SITES. BUT ANYWAY, THERE IS IT'S JUST IT'S A WAY TO GET A DAY'S WORTH OF EDUCATION. I THINK IT WILL ACTUALLY, NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, IT MAY BE ONLY THE MORNING THAT YOU NEED TO BE THERE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THE FACILITY OF REXBURG TO HAVE A TRAINING THAT MORNING, AND THEN AN OPTIONAL DRIVE TO THE DAM SITE. SO I WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED AS THAT GETS PULLED TOGETHER, AND LET YOU KNOW IF I LEARN MORE ABOUT THE AGENDA FOR YOU. APPS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? LISA, I'M INTERESTED IN THAT WATER DAY. I'M NOT. I'M NOT GOING TO US. BUT IF, AS YOU DO GET INFORMATION ON THAT, I UNDERSTAND. ME TOO. YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT. OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THREE OF US ARE RETHINKING BUT NO NO, NO SO FAR. YEAH OKAY OKAY. AND AS FAR AS BEAR PRAIRIE'S DEPARTURE, THAT IS SCHEDULED. THEY'LL BE LEAVING ON THE FIRST. AND I WILL BE SHARING PLANS AS THEY'RE MADE. RIGHT NOW, THINGS ARE STILL A LITTLE BIT IN FLUX. SOME CONVERSATIONS STILL NEED TO HAPPEN. SO HE FEELS SILLY TO NOT LEAVE TOWN AND HAVE A BIG PARTY IF YOU CAN NOT LEAVE, WELL, WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT HIM. HE'S STILL GOING TO LEAVE HERE. IT'S A BIG CHANGE. HE'S NOT LEAVING TOWN. SO. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I THINK WE MAY BE AT THE END OF OUR TALKING POINTS. AND S
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