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          IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GIVING US A ROLL CALL TO ESTABLISH THE QUORUM. AND THEN. THE MAYOR IS NOTED THAT SHE IS ABSENT. SHE IS ON TRAVEL AND IS TRYING TO GET BACK HOME. SO COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD PRESENT COUNCILOR. DINGMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR. FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. YOU HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO MEET AT FIVE. I KNEW IT WAS A SHORT AGENDA, SO I'M HOPING WE CAN STAY TRUE TO THAT AND. AND GET THROUGH IT QUICKLY. I APPRECIATE THAT, MICHELLE. AND I THINK REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. YEAH. IT SEEMED LIKE TO GO FROM 3 TO 345 OR WHATEVER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY MIGHT NOT GIVE IT THE BEST USE OF PEOPLE'S TIME. SO. OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD MIND, DIRECTOR ALEXANDER AND NICK TERRY TO COME TO THE MICROPHONES. OKAY. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE HOLD IT DOESN'T WANT TO COOPERATE. PLEASE HOLD. ALL RIGHT. I'LL JUST DO SOME 
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INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS. SO THANK YOU FOR AGREEING TO MEET WITH US THIS AFTERNOON. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS PROPERTY. IS AFFECTIONALLY CALLED THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE PINECREST GOLF COURSE? IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY OFFICIALLY CALLED BEL AIR DIVISION THREE, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN JANUARY. 
          I CAME IN AND WE GAVE AN UPDATE, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WERE WORKING ON, AND WE REALLY, UNFORTUNATELY, HAD AN IMPASSE, WAS TRYING TO WORK WITH THE LARGER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER THAT WAS OVER THERE. THEY HAVE THEIR HEADQUARTERS OUT OF TEXAS, AND IT WAS JUST WE WEREN'T GETTING ANY ANY TRACTION TRYING TO WORK IT THROUGH THAT WAY. SO OUR BROKER, NICK TERRY, WHO'S AT MY LEFT, ACTUALLY DID SOME MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, SO TO SPEAK. AND SO WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU TODAY. SO JUST AS A REMINDER. I NEED THE NEXT SLIDE. I DON'T LIKE YOU RIGHT NOW. IT DOESN'T LIKE ME RIGHT NOW. TRY IT AGAIN. THERE WE GO. 
          SO JUST A REMINDER. SO IN RED ARE THE PARCELS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND JUST AS ALSO AS A REMINDER THAT THE PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY DONATED TO THE CITY. AND IT WAS APPRAISED BACK IN MARCH OF 2022 FOR ABOUT 1.9 MILLION. WE DID A PUBLIC AUCTION. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY LISTED BUYERS. WE ACTUALLY HAD TO APPROACH THE CITY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, SO WE'D LIKE TO ENTER INTO AN EXCLUSIVE AGREEMENT, WHICH WE DID, AND WE WERE WORKING ON JUST DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO A PURCHASE AND SALES AGREEMENT. AS YOU KNOW, THAT TOOK QUITE A WHILE BECAUSE WE DID HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY, AND THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE AS FAR BACK AS 1950 ISH. I WANT TO SAY IT'S 52 ISH THAT APPARENTLY NOBODY SEEMED TO BE REALLY AWARE OF UNTIL WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE TITLE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO WE ENDED UP UPDATING THE APPRAISAL TO GET A FRESH APPRAISAL, AND THAT WAS DONE IN NOVEMBER OF 2024. AND LAND VALUE, AS IS, IS ABOUT 1.6 MILLION. AND WE ALSO HAD STATED BACK IN JANUARY THAT WE HAD SEVERAL INTERESTED PARTIES. AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO RIGHT NOW, IF I MAY, WITH COUNCIL, IS HAVE OUR BROKER, NICK TERRY, GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. OKAY. SO AS I'VE TAKEN CALLS ON THIS PROPERTY, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS THE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE, WE WEREN'T IN A POSITION WHERE WE COULD HAND OVER CLEAN TITLE. AND SO WITH WITH ALL INTERESTED PARTIES, WE ESSENTIALLY SAID UNTIL WE GET THE CCNR'S CORRECTED, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE CAN ACTUALLY PURSUE AND ENGAGE IN ANY, ANY CONTRACTS. WE DID, HOWEVER, GET AN OFFER. I'LL CALL IT A LOWBALL OFFER, SAYING WE'LL TAKE CARE OF CLEANING UP THE CORNERS. BUT HERE'S OUR PRICE. AND ESSENTIALLY WE SAID, WELL, FOR THAT MUCH OF A DISCOUNT, LET ME GO DO SOME MORE WORK AND SEE IF I CAN FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION. 
          AND SO TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY IS INSTEAD OF RELYING ON THAT CORPORATION THAT KEPT GIVING US FALSE PROMISES, THAT WE'VE GOT A SOLUTION RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, FORGET IT, GUYS, I'M GOING TO GO ANOTHER PATH AND ENDED UP GOING TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. AND I 
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HAD SUFFICIENT THE APPROPRIATE ALLOCATION OR HOWEVER MANY WE NEED. WE NEED TO HAVE A MAJORITY. I THINK WITH 66% OWNERSHIP. AND SO I'VE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT SAID VERBALLY THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SIGN THE AMENDMENT. AND SO I'VE ACTUALLY I'M TO THE POINT RIGHT NOW, I'M READY TO GO GET THOSE SIGNATURES. ONE OF THE PARTIES WILL NOT BE HERE UNTIL NEXT WEEK. SO HOPEFULLY MONDAY I CAN GET THE FINAL SIGNATURE. WE'LL HAVE THE AMENDED THE AMENDMENT RECORDED, AND WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO HAVE A FREE AND CLEAR TITLE WE CAN DELIVER TO A NEW DEVELOPER. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT? THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PARTIES THAT ARE INTERESTED. SO WITH BUILDING THOSE CALLS I'VE GOT, I'M EXPECTING THREE OFFERS I'LL BE GOING BACK TO, I THINK WHAT PAM AND I ARE LOOKING FOR, AS FAR AS GUIDANCE GOES, IS UNDER I'M GOING TO USE AIR QUOTES, TRADITIONAL NEGOTIATIONS. I'LL GET AN OFFER AND PRESENT IT TO THE OWNER. THEY SAY I LIKE THIS, BUT I DON'T LIKE THIS. THEN I GO BACK AND SAY, HERE'S OUR COUNTER. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO WORK VERY WELL UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. BASED ON WE GET AN OFFER, WE'LL HAVE THREE TO LOOK AT. ARE WE GOING TO NEGOTIATE ALL THREE OF THOSE OFFERS AT THE SAME TIME? SO ESSENTIALLY, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS IF WE CAN GO INTO WHAT WE WHAT WE CALL THE HIGHEST AND BEST SCENARIO AND JUST SAY, HEY, HERE'S THE LAND. THIS IS EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT IT. GIVE US YOUR HIGHEST AND BEST OFFER, AND THEN WE CAN PRESENT THOSE THREE OFFERS TO THE COUNCIL. AND THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE RESPECTFUL TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED AS FAR AS SUBMITTING OFFERS, AS WELL AS NOT DELAYING UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY GET IT UNDER CONTRACT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO KIND OF DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS SOME SOME DISCUSSION OR COUNCIL DIRECTION TO STAFF TO AUTHORIZE BOTH TOCK AND THE CITY TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATIONS. AS NICK HAD MENTIONED, THE HIGHEST AND OR BEST OFFER. BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR PARAMETERS BECAUSE WE DID RECEIVE, AS NICK MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID HAVE A POTENTIAL OFFER OF SOMEONE THAT WANTED TO GO WAY BELOW THE APPRAISAL PRICE. SO WE THOUGHT, LET'S GO BACK TO COUNCIL, LET'S GET SOME PARAMETERS, LET'S GET SOME NEGOTIATION PARAMETERS. GIVE NICK A LITTLE BIT OF IDEA OF WHAT THE COUNCIL IS WILLING TO HEAR ABOUT AS FAR AS AN OFFER GOES, TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY AND MAKING SURE THAT JUST A REMINDER, THE AS IS APPRAISED AMOUNT BACK IS NOVEMBER OF 2024 IS 1.6 MILLION. AND THAT 1.6 MILLION IS WITH YOU FIGURING OUT THE CORNERS. I BELIEVE IN THEIR THEY ASSUMED THAT THEY WERE CORRECTED. YES. AMENDED. WHO DID THE ASSESSMENT APPRAISALS. IT WAS KIRKHAM APPRAISALS OUT OF POCATELLO. WE HAD THE ONE THAT WE DID BACK IN 2022. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE APPRAISER HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE TITLE RESTRICTIONS. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WHEN WE BROUGHT A CONTRACT FOR, FOR, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD A CASH PURCHASE PRICE OF 2 MILLION THAT FELL OUT OF ESCROW BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE MADE SURE THAT THE APPRAISER WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THOSE RESTRICTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AS IS VALUE OF 1.6 REALLY IS AS IS WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S FULLY AVAILABLE AND RESEARCHED AND DISCLOSED. YES, SIR. AND WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WE APPROVED ADJACENT TO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I DON'T THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ANTICIPATED USERS OF THIS SPACE IS GOING TO BE BUILDING. WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR IS GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND OR TOWNHOMES. SO I THINK THEY WOULD GO VERY WELL TOGETHER. AND I GUESS I SHOULD BACK UP MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING IN. THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO TOWNHOMES. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK IT'LL GO VERY WELL TOGETHER BECAUSE I'M SUPER INTERESTED IN THE SEPARATE RENT. LIKE ARE WE? YEAH, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT JUST GOT DONE RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. AND WE DIDN'T OWN THAT. CORRECT. THAT WAS PRIVATELY HELD. YEAH. AND THEN SO WHEN THEY DO THIS APPRAISAL, LIKE WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THE ROAD. LIKE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE VISION MATTERS. AS TO THE WORTH, IT ABSOLUTELY DOES. AND I THINK THE APPRAISERS HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND PUT IN A HUGE RESORT, BUT MOST LIKELY THAT'S NOT THE CASE. SO THEY HAVE TO GO OFF OF THEIR EXPERIENCE TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS THE MOST LIKELY USE OF THIS PROPERTY. LOOKING AT ZONING, LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOOD, LOOKING AT RESTRICTIONS, LOOKING AT VERNON AVENUE OR BENNETT, WHICHEVER IT 
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CHANGES INTO SOME OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS TO POINT OUT, TOO, IS THAT THERE WAS SOME THERE IS SOME INTEREST IN BUILDING A ROAD ALONG WEBER THAT WOULD GO RIGHT INTO VERNON. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD ALREADY LISTED THE PROPERTY AS IS. AND SO THERE WAS A CONCERN BY ALLOWING THE ROAD TO BE BUILT THROUGH THAT, THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANY POTENTIAL INTERESTED PARTIES IN THAT PROPERTY. SO WHAT WE'VE TOLD EVERYBODY IS, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SALE AND THEN HAVE THE TWO PARTIES, WHOEVER BUYS IT AND WHOEVER'S WANTING TO BUILD ON IT, HAVE THEM HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THAT WAY IT'S FULL DISCLOSURE VERSUS SOMETHING HAPPENING AFTER THE FACT. PJ, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE WHERE THE LINE IS FOR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND WHERE THAT RUNS ON THAT PROPERTY? AND IS THERE AN EASEMENT FOR THAT? I IMAGINE THERE WOULD BE THERE THERE THERE IS AN EASEMENT AND IT RUNS WHERE, WHERE WADES OR. 
          YEAH, WADE STREET IS IT'S JUST ABOUT WHERE WADE STREET IS AND IT COMES ACROSS. IT'S THERE IS AN EASEMENT IN PLACE. I'M TRYING TO SEE IF IT'S IF IT'S A CERTAIN DISTANCE OFF THE EDGE. BUT CAN I SEE THAT POINTER. OKAY. SO WE'RE WE COME ACROSS THERE'S A PUMP STATION THAT'S BEEN BUILT KIND OF RIGHT HERE WHERE THE POINTER IS, COMES ACROSS HERE RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF WADE RIGHT HERE. AND THEN KIND OF STRAIGHT ACROSS COMES JUST SOUTH OF THAT LITTLE ROAD THAT COMES IN. AND YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DRIVING JUST SOUTH OF THAT. YEAH. OKAY. AND WE HAD A BLAST. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH I DON'T REMEMBER THE COST SPECIFICALLY FOR BLASTING. WE HAD A FOR THE OVERALL THING. IT WAS TWO AND A HALF TWO AND 250,000. IT'S A LONG RUN FOR IT WAS A TOTAL $3 MILLION PROJECT. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE WHAT THE, THE FEED LINE ACTUALLY COST US. I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT UTILIZING THIS PROPERTY FOR A HOLDING POND SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT, PULL A LITTLE LESS OUT OF THE CANAL, BUT HAVE A CONSTANT. SOURCE OF WATER, SOURCE OF WATER. THERE WE WERE LOOKING AT ABOUT $1 MILLION FOR BLASTING JUST FOR THE POND. JUST THE POND. WELL, ONE THOUGHT I HAVE, AND I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, AND MAYBE WE ALL HAVE, IS IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY TO THE COMMUNITY LESS THAN THE APPRAISED VALUE. YOU MIGHT FIND REAL JUSTIFICATION BECAUSE OF X, Y, AND Z. IT COULD BE A LITTLE LOWER. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WHERE I THINK ABOUT THAT, 1.6 IS THAT'S THE APPRAISED VALUE OF. THAT'S FAIR. I ALSO, THOUGH, FEEL LIKE WE'VE SAT ON IT FOR A WHILE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S THAT IS THE OTHER PART. LIKE IT MIGHT IT MIGHT BE WORTH THAT. BUT IT'S ONLY I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH MORE THAN 200,000, RIGHT? I'M NOT SAYING LIKE LOWBALL IT THAT WAY, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE THERE IS I THINK THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE'VE SAT ON IT FOR A WHILE. THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING. RIGHT. 
          AND SO IF WE GIVE YOU DIRECTION THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T TAKE ANYTHING LESS THAN 1.5 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE MORE THAN 1.5. SO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WHAT OUR DIRECTION TO YOU IS TRYING TO SAY IS IF THERE'S A REAL JUSTIFIABLE REASON. BUT IF WE'RE GOING OUT TO TAKE CARE OF THE COVENANTS. OR YOU ARE IN THE INTEREST OF THE CITY, THEN THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG STEP. SO I WAS WONDERING. OH GO AHEAD. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION JUST ON AN OVERALL SENSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, ANY SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT IN MARKET VALUES? JUST IN A GENERAL SENSE, YEAH, THERE. SINCE WE ORIGINALLY PUT THE PROPERTY UP FOR SALE, THERE HAS BEEN SOME MOVEMENT FOR SURE. THE INTEREST RATES WENT UP, WHICH HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON NEW PROJECTS. PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY UNDERWAY HAD TO CONTINUE, BUT TAKING ON A NEW PROJECT WAS THERE WAS A PRETTY LARGE STALEMATE THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT I MEAN, COMPARED TO GIVEN WHEN THIS APPRAISAL WAS DONE BETWEEN NOVEMBER OF 24 AND NOW, I WOULD SAY IT'S ACTUALLY TO OUR FAVOR STARTING PROBABLY JANUARY. 
          FEBRUARY IS STARTING TO FEEL LIKE PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED AGAIN TO START DOING DEVELOPMENT, THIS PROPERTY INCLUDED. I HADN'T, EVEN THOUGH THERE HAD BEEN A PRICE POINT. 
          THE APPRAISAL HAPPENED IN NOVEMBER OR IN JANUARY IS WHEN I GOT THESE CALLS OF SERIOUS BUYERS. AND SO. SO YES, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE TO OUR FAVOR. OKAY. VERSUS NOVEMBER. I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING, THAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE GETTING THEIR 
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HIGHEST AND BEST OFFER. SO THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN WITH THEIR BEST. THEY KNOW THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A NEGOTIATION. SO THEY'LL BE COMPETING AGAINST THREE OTHER POTENTIAL PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN YOU WOULD BRING IT TO COUNCIL. AND THEN WE COULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THIS IS JUST NO GOOD. WE'D RATHER HOLD ON TO IT AND WAIT FOR IT. AND I THINK WHAT THAT DOES, IT DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS, KNOWING THAT IT'LL BE A PUBLIC MEETING, IT'S NOT, OH, THEY OFFER THIS, SO I'M GOING TO HURRY AND MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT AND SEE IF I CAN JUST BE IN BY $5,000 OR SOMETHING MENIAL. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT GIVES EVERYBODY A FAIR CHANCE TO SAY IT'S A IT'S A PUBLIC DISCUSSION, BUT YOU GET ONE CHANCE. THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT LISTENING AND TUNING IN TO THE MEETING AND THEN SAYING, OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO ADJUST MY OFFER ACCORDINGLY. SO THE PARAMETERS WOULD BE JUST TO ALLOW YOU TO GO OUT AND DO THAT OFFER. RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE. YEAH. AND I CAN AND I CAN SAY HERE'S THE MINIMUM, IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE, I'D SAY THE MINIMUM IS GOING TO BE X. BRING YOUR HIGHEST AND BEST OFFER YOU'VE GOT. YOU'RE COMPETING AGAINST TWO OTHER BUYERS. OKAY. OR I COULD SAY WE'RE ASKING X BRING YOUR HIGHEST AND BEST OFFER. DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. I'M LEANING TOWARD WE'VE GOT SOME PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS. THE APPRAISAL PRICE IS GOING TO COME UP. I'M INCLINED TO SAY IT'S BEEN APPRAISED AT THIS PRICE POINT. BRING US YOUR HIGHEST AND BEST, AND THE CRS AND THE CRS ARE CLEAR. TAKEN CARE OF. DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? NO. I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED THAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY. THAT'S. THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER. RADFORD ALSO HAS A I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY ROLE. HOW MANY PIECES OF PROPERTY LIKE THIS DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY? IF WE TURN OUT WE WANT TO BUILD A REC CENTER OR WE WANT TO BUILD A NEW AQUATIC CENTER, OR LIKE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, HAVE. THAT'S ONE THING I ALWAYS WISH WE WOULD DO MORE OF IS GIVE US A MEETING WHERE YOU JUST GO THROUGH OUR PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN BECAUSE IT'S I KNOW IT'S IN THE 40 AND 50, LIKE, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THAT HIGH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT AROUND AND LIKE GETTING RID OF THIS OR NOT. LIKE I KIND OF THINK INTERESTINGLY, I THINK PRICES ARE LOW RIGHT NOW BECAUSE INTEREST RATES ARE SO HIGH. AND WE'VE SAT ON THIS FOR WE'VE OWNED THIS FOR TEN YEARS. RIGHT. SO WHY ARE WE LIKE MOTIVATED TO SELL WHEN OUR PRICES ARE GOING TO BE THE LOWEST? BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT INTEREST RATES. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION IS, AND TO M, THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST GOLF COURSES IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES. I MEAN, THE US OPEN WAS SCHEDULED TO BE PLAYED HERE IN 1942, AND WE'RE GOING TO LET SOMEONE MAKE $1 MILLION OFFER ON THAT MUCH ACREAGE. WHEN SOMEONE COULD BUILD A LUXURY GOLF RESORT RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, THEY COULD AND THAT MIGHT BE THEIR THING. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, WHAT ARE OUR TRADE OFFS HERE? AND I KNOW BILLIONAIRES BE DIFFICULT FOR US, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S AGENCIES LIKE REDEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE MONEY THAT COULD HELP US GET THAT DONE OR SOMEONE ELSE, OR I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES COST. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY COST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE OWN INTERIOR PROPERTY LIKE THIS. WITH THIS MUCH ACREAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY. IT'S A GOOD POINT. AND IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT. SO THE REASON WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PIECE OF PARCEL IS, IS IT WAS DONATED AND IT WAS DONATED WITH RESTRICTIONS THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE OF. AND WHEN IT WAS DONATED, IT WAS GOING TO BE USED AS A DIRECTOR. HOLMAN MENTIONED, FOR NOT BUILDING ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR RETENTION, RETENTION, RETENTION BASIN IRRIGATION. BUT IT WAS GOING TO BE A PART. IT WASN'T IT WASN'T JUST GOING TO BE A PIECE OF WATER. THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS PROPERTY IS A LITTLE UNIQUE WHEN IT COMES TO THE LITTLE PIECES OF, OF POINTS OF I'VE JUST POINTED OUT WITH IT SOME OF OUR OTHER CITY PROPERTY. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY WOULD NECESSARILY BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS THESE TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE MORE CHALLENGING ISSUES THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED WITH THIS PROPERTY OVER THE LAST ALMOST TEN YEARS. AGREED. BUT THEY GAVE IT TO US. SO WE OWNED THIS HOUSE. SO WE DO. SO WE DO. IT WAS DONATED, I BELIEVE IT WAS DONATED FOR THAT WITH A VALUE OF 670,000 AT THE TIME. AND THAT WAS BACK IN 2016, I BELIEVE. YEAH, YEAH. JOHN, ARE YOU THINKING THIS MIGHT BE A SPACE WHERE YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE A LAND TRUST, WHERE WE OWN THE LAND, BUT SOMEBODY DEVELOPS THE HOUSING AND THEN. OH, NO, I JUST IT'S SUCH A WALKABLE IT'S IN ONE OF THE URBAN TRANSITS THAT, LIKE FRED MEYER, IT'S A WALKABLE. AND WE JUST PUT IN ALL THIS WALKABLE SPACE. IT'S AN AMAZING PLACE. AND I JUST HATE TO JUST BE RID OF IT AT THE IF, IF WE'RE JUST LETTING IT GO AT ONE POINT OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S VALUE TO US. YOU KNOW, I JUST 
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DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER. BUT IT JUST OCCURS TO ME THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT BUT I GET HOW HARD IT WOULD BE TO BUILD THERE. LIKE WE WOULDN'T CHOOSE TO LIKE, BUT BUT REDEVELOPMENT EXISTS FOR THAT VERY REASON. IT'S NOT LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO DEVELOP IT. THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO REDEVELOP. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO REDEVELOPMENT. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'LL GET THE ADVANTAGE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A TAX ADVANTAGE. THAT'S WHAT I AGREE. BUT I'M SAYING WHAT DO WE DO? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE NEXT THING WE NEED IS A PARK AND RECOMMEND. 
          AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHOULD WE BE GIVING AWAY THIS WHEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT ALL FIGURED OUT FOR SURE? AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. I'M NOT SURE GIVING IT AWAY IS A BUT WHAT DO WE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE MONEY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE TRADE OFF COST. RIGHT. LIKE THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY COST IF AN ECONOMICS LIKE THE FUNDS, IF THE PROCEEDS, IF WE HAVE ANY, WILL GO DIRECTLY BACK TO OUR PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY WERE THE ONES THAT RECEIVED THE DONATIONS. SO IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO WHERE IT CAME FROM. SO IT WOULD SUPPORT INDIRECTLY OTHER TYPES OF PARKS PROGRAMS. AND MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JOHN, IS THAT ADDS STRENGTH TO WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE THE ROCK BOTTOM PRICE FOR SURE. COULD DEVELOP OTHER OPTIONS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST, MY BROTHER'S BEEN KIND OF UPSET THAT THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT THIS, THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT WITH CONTRACT AND TRY TO ATTRACT IT WITH A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS IF THEY DID LIVE ON IT. BUT REGARDLESS, I MEAN, I WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS I JUST IT'S JUST SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SPOT. I MEAN, I WORK ACROSS THE STREET, I'M THERE EVERY DAY AND I'VE JUST BEEN SO PLEASED WORKING THERE AND THEN WALKING TO LIKE AND WE JUST FINISHED WITH URBAN REDEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A NEW BUFFALO RIGHT ON THE CORNER. IT'S SO FUNNY. IF YOU'VE BEEN PAST THE NEW STARBUCKS IN THE NEW HOT TUB PLACE. AND SO THIS WHOLE AREA IS BEING REDEVELOPED. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND TO BE HONEST, THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE THE COCA-COLA BOTTLER IS, ALL OF THOSE ARE SUDDENLY EMPTY, LIKE, EXCEPT FOR COCA COLA, LIKE REDISCOVERED TREASURES OF EMPTY. THE SKI SHOP JUST WENT EMPTY. SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS. I JUST TRY AND PLAY MY ROLE OF DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. AND DO WE WANT TO GET RID OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHEN IT'S AT ITS LOWEST VALUE WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IN MY SENSE, MY MIND. BUT IF YOU HAVE $1 MILLION THING YOU'RE TRYING TO DUMP, THEN I'M LIKE, LET'S DO IT LIKE I DON'T. I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHAT I'M GIVING UP TO GET THAT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT WITH, WITH THIS FUNDING IS HAVING AS A, AS SEED MONEY FOR THE TIME THAT WE DO HAVE A REC CENTER POSSIBILITY, RIGHT, OR A, A RENOVATION THAT NEEDS TO COME TO THE AQUATICS CENTER TO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THEM. AND SO THERE IS THERE IS NOTHING PLANNED FOR THE FUNDING CURRENTLY. BUT SO WHAT ELSE DO WE OWN THAT HAS THIS MUCH ACREAGE? SO THAT'S THREE, 67899 ACRES. SIX ACRES. YEAH. WHAT ELSE DO WE OWN IN OUR CITY LIMITS THAT ARE ON THE EDGES? DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF THAT'S WITHIN CITY LIMITS IS PROBABLY THE SAME PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S ON THE OUTSKIRTS AS WELL. BUT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. THIS TYPE OF WITH THIS TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, VOLUME, IF YOU WILL. AND WE DID LOOK AT POSSIBLY USING WHAT COULD WE USE THE LAND FOR. I MEAN, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WITH PARKS AND REC TO SEE IS IT SUITABLE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CONSENSUS WAS BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WITH AUCTIONING IT, WHICH IS WHAT WE TRIED TO DO, AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY BIDDERS ON IT. I JUST SPENT THE WEEK IN BOSTON AND, AND SO I'M PROBABLY A LITTLE NOSTALGIC ABOUT LIKE THIS KIND OF SPACE. AND HAVING THESE KIND OF OPEN SPACES ARE SO RARE IN AN URBAN LANDSCAPE. AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T GOING TO LOOK LIKE THE GOLF COURSE, BUT AT SOME POINT, THAT SAME LAVA FLOW WAS THAT GOLF COURSE. RIGHT? SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT INTO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE SPOTS THAT I COULD THAT I CAN THINK OF, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GROW INTO. WE HAVE ABOUT 25 ACRES THAT ARE STILL DEVELOPABLE AT RYDER PARK. WE HAVE OUR 40 ACRES WEST OF TOWN. WE DO HAVE ABOUT 100 ACRES AT SANDY DOWNS. AND WHAT ABOUT THE POND JUST NORTH OF. POND? YEAH, THE POND. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S TEN ACRES THAT SHOULD BE. OR LARGER. 
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I GUESS. ACTUALLY, I GUESS I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WHERE I'M AT THEN, JOHN, BECAUSE I LOOK AT THIS AS IT'S NOT IT, IT ADDS TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ALONG ROLAND AND WEBBER. IT KIND OF IS GOING TO MOVE IN TO ALL OF THAT SO THAT THIS KIND OF HAS A REVITALIZATION. IF I WERE TO BUILD AN 8.6 ACRE PARK, I WOULD NOT SPEND 180,000 AN ACRE TO BUILD A PARK. OH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          RIGHT. LIKE, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT. I DON'T NEED IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A PARK. 
          I JUST THINK THAT THE VALUE OF IT IS HELD IN, IN WHAT WE HAVE IT LISTED AT IS LC. SO I MEAN, FOR ME, I THINK, YEAH, WE'VE GOT A PIECE IN TOWN. SO I MEAN THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AND IT'S LISTED. SO YOU DON'T THINK THOUGH THERE WOULD EVER BE A NEED FOR LIKE A NEW GOLF CLUBHOUSE? LIKE, I KNOW WE HAVE A HISTORIC BUILDING AND IT'S UNLIKE, LIKE, THAT'S THE COOLEST PART OF PINECREST. I'M NOT SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT AT ONE TIME, I REMEMBER HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT A DRIVING RANGE, BUT IT'S IN EXACT WRONG PLACE COMPARED TO WHERE THE WHERE THE GOLF COURSE STARTS. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. IF THE PROXIMITY WAS A LOT CLOSER TO THE CLUBHOUSE, I THINK THIS WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE KIND OF ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES FOR US. BUT WHERE IT IS WITHOUT HAVING THAT, THAT ACCESS, UNLESS WE WERE TO BUILD SOME KIND OF A PERIMETER LINE FOR GOLF CARTS TO BE ABLE TO GET UP TO THE GOLF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CLUBHOUSE OR SOMETHING. BUT IT IS IT IS ON ABOUT THE MOST OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE COURSE IS AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE TO UTILIZE. SO DOES ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AND SEE IF ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WILL I APPROVE THAT MOTION? AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR DIRECTION TO STAFF. I MOVE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH TAKING OFFERS ON THE PROPERTY AT THE APPRAISED VALUE. OKAY, SO GETTING SO OFFERING IT TO THE HIGHEST AND BEST OFFER AND THEN HAVING THEM BRING THAT OFFER BACK TO COUNCIL. SO AMENDED WITH THE ADDITIONS THAT GO FORWARD WITH REMOVAL OF THE COVENANT RESTRICTIONS. YES, YES. ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD BE OKAY. YOU GET ALL THAT, EMILY. NO. EVERYONE TALKED TO THE SAME. OKAY. SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER. SO MOVE THAT. WE GO AHEAD WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY OR THE TAKING OFFERS ON THE PROPERTY AT THE HIGHEST AND BEST PRICE. AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER PART THAT. OH, THAT THE COVENANTS ARE. TAKEN CARE OF BY THE, BY THE SELLING PARTY. OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR MOTION. IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN DOING MORE THAN ONE? ASSESSMENT OR DOING ANOTHER APPRAISAL. YEAH, MORE THAN ONE PERSON'S APPRAISAL. AMEN. WHAT'S YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ABOUT CAN I SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH. AND YOU'VE DONE THAT A LOT. THERE'S THERE THERE CERTAINLY A CASE TO BE MADE FOR THAT. BUT I THINK YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS A LITTLE BIT. WHAT'S SOMETHING OF WORTH IS WHAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. AND A REALLY INTELLIGENT PERSON WHO HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE CAN SAY IT'S WORTH X, BUT IF THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO PAY X, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY IT. IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN HOLD THAT UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT IT'S WORTH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE BECAUSE I. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN. I THINK WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU DO IT WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A NUMBER YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO. BUT BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BID, THEY'RE GOING TO BID FOR THE BEST RATE. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. WE DON'T, WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A MINIMUM. NO, NO, I KNOW THAT. 
          BUT I MEAN, SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO COMPETE ON THE HIGHEST PRICE THEN, THEN THIS IS THE MARKETPLACE ROLE. BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS OF AN RFP VERSUS WHERE WE USE A VISION THAT WE WANT ON THIS GOLF COURSE? I CAN SAY AS FAR AS VALUE GOES, WHEN THE APPRAISERS LOOKED AT IT, THEY LOOKED AT WE I BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT IT, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH WAS MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. AND THAT'S VALUED CURRENTLY AT THE 1.6 MILLION AT $4.20 A SQUARE FOOT. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ON A WORLD CLASS GOLF COURSE THAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS A LOT? I'D LOVE TO LIVE ON THAT. I THINK THE CONDOS THAT WERE BEING BUILT AT THE HOTEL THAT THAT WE WERE, I THINK THEY HAD A DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN HERE. YEAH, I THINK SOME CHALLENGES THAT HAVE COME UP, THAT WAS MY FIRST THING TOO, IS IT'S RIGHT ON THE GOLF COURSE. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN AMAZING PROPERTY UNTIL YOU DRIVE TO IT. I WALKED IT 20 TIMES, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT I GET ON A REGULAR BASIS IS, THIS WILL NEVER BE A CLASS A PROPERTY BECAUSE OF WHAT IT'S SURROUNDED BY. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT FROM MY OPINION, THAT'S WITH COMMUNICATION WITH POTENTIAL BUYERS, BUT THAT BUT THAT'S AN OLD VIEW OF OUR CITY, BECAUSE 
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THOSE HOUSES USED TO BE WORTH 90,000 OR 80,000, BUT NOW THEY'RE WORTH 400, 400. SO I THINK THAT'S NOT TRUE ANYMORE, BECAUSE THAT NO HOUSE, NO NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS NOW HAS IS GOING TO BE LOOKED DOWN UPON IN THAT WAY ANYMORE. IN MY MIND, I MEAN, MAYBE, BUT THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT WAS WITH POTENTIAL BUYERS. YEAH. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE APPRAISAL DID SAY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WAS IN FACT RESIDENTIAL, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON ONE, IT IS RESIDENTIAL. I'M NOT ARGUING THAT. I'M SAYING LIMITED ACCESS. SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER FRIEDMAN. IF WE DON'T GET A SECOND, THEN I'LL SECOND IT. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS DID A SECOND ON THAT. WILL YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL? CITY CLERK. I DO WANT TO READ THIS MOTION BACK TO YOU GUYS, THOUGH, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS TAKE OFFERS AT THE HIGHEST AND BEST PRICE. AS LONG AS THE CCNR'S ARE CLEANED UP BY THE SELLING PARTY. YEAH. OKAY. THERE'S NO COMMITMENT ON OUR PART BASICALLY TO TAKE THAT OFFER. CORRECT? OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT CLEAR BECAUSE I'LL VOTE FOR THIS. IF WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE WE DON'T HAVE TO. BUT IF, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS BID PROCESS AND THEN SOMEONE'S AWARDED, THEN I'M GOING, NO, NO. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CHANGE IT TO REVIEW OFFERS INSTEAD OF TAKE OFFERS? YEAH. 
          YEAH. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT. RIGHT. WE WILL REVIEW THE OFFER BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST AT 1.2. SO ARE YOU. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I WAS WHAT I INTENDED OKAY. AND ARE YOU STILL GOOD WITH YOUR SECOND WORD REVIEW OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL LARSON. YES, COUNCILOR FRANCIS I. COUNCILOR. FREEMAN. YES, COUNCILOR. DAMON. YES. COUNCILOR. RADFORD. AYE. 
          COUNCILOR. BURTON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND. THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I NEED TO. WHAT'S THAT? OH, OKAY. NO. DIRECTOR ALEXANDER IS GOING TO STAY AT HER. MY PERCH. YES. SO. OKAY. SO. DO YOU WANT CALLING ON SCREEN? YES. PLEASE. PLEASE. OKAY, BUT I 
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CAN'T DO BOTH. YEAH. WHEN WE COME TO THAT, THAT WILL BE THE SECOND. WE'LL DISCUSS THIS FIRST DIRECT INPUT CITY FIRST AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE TIMELINE. THAT'S OKAY. GREAT. YEP. YES OKAY. SO WE HAVE A. SO WE HAVE COLIN ON THERE HE IS. AND HE'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE DRAFT IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED LAST WEEK BY OUR CITY CLERK. THANK YOU SO MUCH, EMILY, FOR DOING THAT FOR US. I'VE ALSO GOT A COUPLE OF OUR OUR COLLEAGUES PRESENT TO JUST HEAR SOME OF THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED ON THE IMPACT FEE STUDY, PARTICULARLY SURROUNDING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO COLIN FOR DISCUSSION. AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROCEED? WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE SHARED, OR I THINK THAT MAYBE WE WOULD START. SO I HAD I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND BUT I FEEL LIKE IF ANY OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE, IF THEY'VE READ THROUGH THIS, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO IS GET ANY KIND OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM COLIN ANSWERED SO THAT AS WE DISCUSS IN OUR NEXT ACTION OR OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, THAT WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER A TENTATIVE TIMELINE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT IMPACT STUDY. SO I KNOW THAT I HELPED KIND OF FORMULATE SOME OF MY OWN QUESTIONS. SO IF MAYBE THE BEST THING TO DO THEN WOULD BE TO START WITH THOSE QUESTIONS. AND THEN IF OTHER QUESTIONS COME UP, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT EVEN AT THAT MOMENT AND ASK FOR ANY KIND OF CLARIFYING. THIS SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE A REALLY OPEN KIND OF DISCUSSION. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET'S START WITH THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE FORMULATED, PAM. AND THEN MY COLLEAGUES CAN JUMP IN AT ANY POINT THEIR QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, COLIN. SURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL START. WE'LL START WITH PARKS. THAT HAD SOME MOST OF THE QUESTIONS SURROUNDING. SO I'M GOING TO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER I'VE SHARED THESE WITH COLIN. SO HE'S GOING TO PROVIDE RESPONSES TO THEM 
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BECAUSE HE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED AS WHAT'S CONSIDERED AN AMENITY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARKS PLAN? SO, COLIN, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AMENITIES? YEAH, YEAH. AND I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME TOO. I CAN JUST MAYBE EVEN SORT OF WORK THROUGH IT AND JUST LET ME KNOW IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP. SO AMENITY PARK AMENITY. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE BALL FIELDS, PLAYGROUNDS. I THINK YOU GET TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS HERE. YOU KNOW, IS THERE SORT OF REQUIREMENTS THERE. YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT LIKE BENCHES FOR EXAMPLE, BUT REALLY SORT OF LARGER AREAS LIKE PICNIC AREA I THINK IS SORT OF THE SMALLEST AMENITY THAT WE INCLUDED. THAT WAS ABOUT 2500, $2,500 AND THEN SORT OF GOES UP FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF ADDING ON TO THAT, THESE LIKE, YOU KNOW, BALL FIELD LIGHTS, WE CONSIDER THOSE AMENITY AND IMPACT THE ELIGIBLE BECAUSE WE ARE EXPANDING THE CAPACITY, THE USAGE OF THAT BALL FIELD. SO YOU KNOW, SO THE 12 HOURS WHEN THE SUN'S UP, IT CAN BE USED FOR 16 HOURS. AND SO WE'RE ADDING CAPACITY TO THAT FACILITY. 
          TYPEKIT THEY GROW UP TO HAVE A TEN YEAR USEFUL LIFE OR LONGER IMPORTANTLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STUDY, WE'VE SORT OF BROKEN IT DOWN INTO TWO KIND OF COST FACTORS PARK AMENITIES, BUT THEN LAND COSTS. AND SO THAT'S PURCHASING OF LAND. BUT THEN ALSO DEVELOPING THAT LAND. AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION HERE, THE UTILITIES AND LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE NOT NECESSARILY PARK AMENITY BUT LAND DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE'RE WE'RE COLLECTING FOR THAT. AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE FEE. PATHWAYS. WE HAVEN'T REALLY INCLUDED THAT. I MEAN WE HAVE THE CIVIC PARKS. AND SO TRAILS WITHIN PARKS WOULD BE A PARK AMENITY, BUT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY SORT OF TRAIL NETWORK THROUGH THE CITY. BUT ANY AMENITY WITHIN THE CIVIC PARK WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN IMPACT. BE ELIGIBLE. WE DID TAKE A WEIGHTED AVERAGE AND WE'RE VALUING THAT. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, DETAILED IN THE REPORT, BUT WE HAVE THIS HUGE SORT OF INVENTORY LIST. SO WE LOOK AT ALL THE PARK AMENITIES WITHIN EACH PARK AND THEN THE VALUATIONS OF THOSE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, $50,000 FOR BLACK BAT IS DIFFERENT THAN $60,000 PARK SHELTER. BUT WE'VE WE'VE INCORPORATED SORT OF THAT WEIGHTED VALUE. OKAY. SO WAIT SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT ANSWER. SO OKAY, SO JUST TO BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT THE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, ACCORDING TO THE THIS STUDY, WE'RE GOING TO NEED 53 NEW ACRES OF DEVELOPED PARK SPACE AND 21 AMENITIES. THAT'S IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS WHAT THE STUDY IS SAYING. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS A 500. IT'S NOT 50,000. IT WAS A $500,000 SPLASH PARK SPLASH PAD, THE SAME AS A $60,000 PARK SHELTER. LIKE HOW DO WE HOW DO WE KIND OF THINK THINK ABOUT THAT. IF WE NEED 21 OF THOSE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO LIKE HOW HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN THE REPORT, THIS IS PAGE 28 AND THERE'S A FIGURE BEFORE THAT ON PAGE 27, FIGURE 19. AND SO IT LISTS OUT KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GETTING THIS. AND SO WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR PARK AMENITIES WHICH IS ABOUT TWO TWO AMENITIES PER 1000 PEOPLE. WE'RE GOING TO GROW BY 18,000 PEOPLE OVER TEN YEARS. THAT GETS US 38 PARK UNIT PARK AMENITIES, OR HALF OF THAT OVER THE FIVE YEARS FROM 19. AND THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 2.1, 2.2. $1 MILLION. AND SO THERE'S SO THERE'S A THERE'S A COUNT, YOU KNOW, PARK UNIT COUNT, PARK, SORRY. PARK AMENITY UNIT COUNT THERE. BUT ALSO VALUATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T NECESSARILY I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE YOU KNOW, WE'RE COLLECTING $2 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR COMMUNITY PARK AMENITIES TO USE ALL 2 MILLION ON ONE BANDSTAND, FOR EXAMPLE. IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WEIGHTED AVERAGE WOULD BE ABOUT WHAT WOULD THAT BE, 2000 OR SO. SO THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE COMMUNITY PARK IMPROVEMENTS, AMENITIES 113,000 PER AMENITY. AND SO THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW. 
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YEAH. SO TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BE JUST USING, YOU KNOW, ONE ALL THESE DOLLARS FOR ONE IMPROVEMENT. IT SHOULD BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE SORT OF DOING THESE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO 21 AMENITIES. AND WE'RE COLLECTING MONEY SPECIFIC FOR AMENITIES. OR YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S IT ALL GOES INTO ONE BATCH. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY SPEND $2 MILLION ON 21 AMENITIES, BUT WE COULD SPEND 6 MILLION TO DEVELOP 53 ACRES PLUS 21 AMENITIES. LIKE, DO WE HAVE TO GET DOWN SPECIFIC INTO THE AMENITIES, OR CAN WE JUST WORRY ABOUT USING $6 MILLION FOR THE TOTAL? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YEAH. SO THE YOU KNOW, THE PARK CIP IS SORT OF THAT GUIDING DOCUMENT, AT LEAST AT THE MOMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. AND WHAT WE DO IS WE SAY, HEY, THE GROWTH RELATED NEED AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE COLLECTING FOR WOULD REQUIRE X 19 COMMUNITY PARK IMPROVEMENTS OR AMENITIES OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WE NEED A CIP THAT AT LEAST MEETS THAT NEED, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE FIVE YEAR NEED AND FIVE YEAR NEED. NOW YOUR SHIP EXCEEDS THAT AMOUNT, WHICH IS FINE. YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FULLY FUND THAT CIP WITH IMPACT FEES FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          BUT HAVING THAT SHIP GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, WHAT IMPACT FEES CAN COLLECT FOR DOES ALLOW YOU FLEXIBILITY. SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FOLLOW THE CIP, HIT THE GROWTH RELATED NEED, BUT YOU'RE NOT MARRIED TO THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS. BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE CONTINUING TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT OF THAT TWO PART IMPROVEMENT FOR AMENITIES EVERY YEAR, YOU WOULD BE LIVING UP TO YOUR PROMISE WITH THE IMPACT COLLECTION. OKAY, SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE PJ KNOWS. MAYBE YOU. SO HOW ACCURATE WERE WE WITH? I MEAN, WE'RE SAYING 18,000 PEOPLE RIGHT OVER. SO THAT'S 9000 IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WHAT DID WE GROW FROM 20 TO 2025 AND WHAT DID WE ACCOMPLISH WITH AMENITIES AND ACRES? DO YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER OFFHAND? DOES ANYONE LIKE I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH OF THIS WE REALLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIKE, WHAT IS IT THAT WE ACCOMPLISHED? WELL, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE NEW START POINT, I KNOW. SO WE'LL HAVE TO GET 53. YEAH. YEAH. SO BUT DID WE GO UP 20. LIKE HOW MANY ACRES DID WE GO UP IN PARKS. AND WE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T COLLECT AS MUCH AS WE THOUGHT BECAUSE WE HAD A YEAR OR TWO. AND THEN NOW AT THE END WE HAVEN'T DONE SOME RIGHT. LIKE, WELL IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO IMPACT FEES, WE REALLY HAVE ONLY USED IMPACT FEES FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE WAS FOR THE PATHWAY ABOUT 1100 FEET OF PATHWAY ALONG THE CANAL. SO THAT GOT US SUNNY SIDE FROM SUNNY SIDE DOWN JUST TO THE END OF ASPEN POINT. OKAY. AND I'M BLINKING OVER HERE. YES. OKAY. 
          AND THE DOG PARK OVER IT. SO WE GAINED ONE ESSENTIALLY A NEW AMENITY BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD THAT SPACE AVAILABLE. BUT WE DID CREATE THAT THOSE SPACE FOR THE DOG PARK OVER THE. AND THEN WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROJECTIONS IN COUNCIL MEMBER I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          YOU KNOW THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS. BENCH THE IMPACT FEES HAVE STARTED TO BE COLLECTED, HAVE ACTUALLY ACCELERATED WHAT WE WERE ASSUMING THREE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO. AND WE'RE SORT OF CONTINUING THAT INTO THE FUTURE. BUT IMPORTANTLY, IS THAT UNDER THIS APPROACH THAT WE'RE TAKING INCREMENTAL EXPANSION APPROACHES, WE'RE QUANTIFYING TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND REALLY THAT'S WHAT THE FEE IS PEGGED TO. GROWTH PROJECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT. SO WE UNDERSTAND SORT OF WHERE THE CITY IS HEADING AND GROWTH RELATED NEED AND MATCHING THAT UP WITH CAPITAL PLAN. BUT IF I DON'T FALLS GROWTH YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY ACCELERATING GROWTH EVEN MORE THAN WHAT WE PROJECT. WE'VE COLLECTED MORE DOLLARS PARK IMPACT FEES. BUT NOW YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO DO MORE WITH IT. BUT YOU HAVE THE DOLLARS IN YOUR COFFER TO DO THAT. IF YOU FLOW, YOU COLLECTED LESS, BUT YOU'RE NOW OBLIGATED TO DO LESS BECAUSE THE GROWTH THAT THE POPULATION INCREASE IS LESS THAN WHAT'S PROJECTED HERE. OKAY. AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION I WAS STOPPED THE 2.76 FOR MULTI FOR SINGLE FAMILY FAMILIES AND 1.8 FOR SINGLE OR FOR APARTMENTS. THAT 
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COMES FROM AN AMERICAN SURVEY, IT SAID. AND I WAS WONDERING, IS THAT TRUE FOR OUR AREA? AND HOW DID YOU DO WE QUANTIFY THAT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS INTERESTING TO ME. I'M NOT SURE APARTMENTS REALLY HAVE ONLY THAT MUCH LESS PEOPLE. SO I WONDERED WHAT THAT WAS BASED ON. IF THAT WAS A NATIONAL NUMBER, OR IS THAT MORE OUR POPULATION? YEAH. GOOD QUESTION. YES, THAT. YEAH. 
          AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY I THINK IT'S JUST SORT OF UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE US CENSUS BUREAU. THEY CONDUCT ANNUAL SURVEYS. SO THEY ACTUALLY CALL OR SEND LETTERS TO HOUSEHOLDS IN IDAHO FALLS. THESE ARE THESE ARE RESULTS OF THOSE SURVEYS IN IDAHO FALLS 2023 NUMBERS. SO THERE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF LAG. WE DID THIS START THIS EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S SORT OF THE LATEST AND GREATEST NUMBERS. BUT SPECIFIC TO THE CITY OF FALLS. AWESOME. THANK YOU. SO I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN ONE MORE TIME AS I LOOK AT THAT. SO IF WE WERE TO SPEND WHATEVER THAT NUMBER YOU GAVE COLIN LET'S SAY WE ON THAT MANY LIGHTS THAT WOULD BE COUNTED AS ONE AMENITY. 
          BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN HOW TO QUANTIFY LIGHTS LIKE ALONG HERITAGE PARK. I MEAN, THAT'S IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO QUANTIFY THAT AS AN ONE LIGHT, AS AN AMENITY, OR WE HAVE TO LIGHT THE WHOLE PATHWAY TO MAKE IT AN AMENITY? I JUST WAS TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, AND IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE IF WE USE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU'VE SET ASIDE, THAT'S WHAT GETS US TO EACH AMENITY IS WORTH THAT AMOUNT. YEAH, YEAH. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW THE THERE'S NO YOU KNOW, THE STATE CODE IS VERY SORT OF RIGID AND STATE STATUTE WHEN IT COMES TO IMPACT FEES, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFY WHAT IS A PARK AMENITY OR YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT GRANULAR. 
          BUT IMPORTANTLY IS THAT WE'RE USING THESE DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, AT A TIMELY FASHION AND USING THEM TOWARDS WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING FOR. SO THE FEE CATEGORY OR INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORY. SO A PORTION OF THE PARK FEE IS FOR PURCHASING LAND AND IMPROVING LAND. AND THEN A PORTION IS, YOU KNOW, DOING THOSE PARK AMENITIES OR IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO I YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE TUNE OF OKAY, EXACTLY 19 AND HOW WE QUANTIFY THAT. BUT BUT ALSO IN DOLLARS. 
          BUT BUT WE ARE EXPANDING CAPACITY OF OUR FIELDS AND OUR BALL FIELDS AND PATHWAYS WITH THESE DOLLARS. I JUST DON'T WANT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW TO, TO HAVE 20 ACRES AND TEN AMENITIES AND THEN NOT NOT BE KEEPING UP WITH THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND THE NEW STUDY COMES OUT AND WE FALLEN BEHIND. SO I JUST AM LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF WAY TO QUANTIFY THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A TON OF NUMBERS INVOLVED HERE BECAUSE WE ALSO ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRICE PER UNIT. AND, YOU KNOW, INFLATION IS ALWAYS OCCURRING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T UPDATE THESE EVERY YEAR WITH AN INFLATIONARY FACTOR, YOU KNOW, THE COST ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE TODAY, YOU KNOW, MIGHT NOT REFLECT 2030 NUMBERS OR 2026, YOU KNOW, OR MAYBE 2029 NUMBERS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE ALSO RECOMMEND INCLUDING AN INFLATIONARY FACTOR IN YOUR ORDINANCE. SO EVERY YEAR WE'RE AT LEAST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE CPI OR ENR AS ANOTHER METRIC THAT CAN BE USED. OKAY. THAT WAS NEW TO ME. I DIDN'T KNOW TO INCLUDE IT IN INFLATIONARY FACTOR. YEAH IT'S A BIG NUMBER IN OUR. YEAH OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THERE'S A HANDFUL OF COMMUNITIES THAT I KNOW OF IN IDAHO THAT THAT ARE DOING IT. YOU KNOW, EIGHT YEARS AGO WASN'T TOO MUCH OF A CONCERN, BUT WE'VE JUST SORT OF COMING OUT OF THIS, THIS INFLATIONARY ENVIRONMENT AND BUT IT DOES, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON ONE THAT LOOKS AT ESSENTIALLY THE COST OF CONCRETE, LUMBER AND LABOR. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TO THE COST OF THE PLAYGROUND AND THE ALUMINUM OR, YOU KNOW, THE ASTROTURF AND THOSE SORTS OF ELEMENTS. BUT WHAT IT DOES AT LEAST HELP, YOU KNOW, FOR TRYING TO. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS ARE. OH, YEAH. THERE ARE PLENTY MORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT. OKAY. KEEP 
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GOING. DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD, DO YOUR PRESENTATION. WHAT'S THAT? DOES HE STILL WANT TO KEEP. WAS HE PRESENTING? NO, HE'S JUST HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE CAN SET UP OUR WORK SESSIONS ACCORDING TO HOW WE WANT TO DIVE INTO IT. SO THE NEXT THING THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN WAS THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS INDUSTRIAL, AND THAT WE HAD RAN INTO THIS PROBLEM WITH INVENTORY AND LIKE A RETAIL SPACE IN THE SAME SPACE. WE RAN INTO THAT SPECIFICALLY IN OUR COUNCIL AND WONDERED WHAT WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE, IF THERE'S GOOD WAYS TO DEAL WITH THAT. DOES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REALLY DEAL WITH THAT? LIKE WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION, COLIN? WE HAD A TRY TO. YEAH. BUT I THINK WHAT I HEARD IS IF THERE'S IF THERE'S A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT HAS DIFFERENT USES WITHIN IT. HOW DO HOW TO APPLY A FEE ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES RETAIL, OFFICE, INDUSTRIAL, INSTITUTIONAL. SO YOU HAVE A YOU KNOW, MAYBE LET'S SAY A SPEC BUILDING, WHICH WE'RE SEEING THIS A LOT IN THE TREASURE VALLEY WHERE, YOU KNOW, TWO THIRDS OF IT IS INDUSTRIAL AND ONE THIRD IS EITHER RETAIL LIKE CUSTOMER FACING OR OFFICE. WHEN THAT BUILDING PERMIT COMES IN, CITY STAFF WILL SEE, OKAY, THAT'S 6000FT■S OF INDUSTRIAL. O 6000 TIMES THE FEE PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND THEN 4000 FOR THAT RETAIL SPACE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING THAT SPECIFIC DEMAND. SO OUR SPECIFIC DO YOU WANT TO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A CAR DEALERSHIP WHO MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY HAD RETAIL SPACE. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A LARGE RETAIL SPACE, BUT THEY ALSO HAD THAT A MECHANICAL SPACE WHERE THEY WERE LIKE FIXING THINGS AND WASHING CARS AND WASHING CARS. AND THEN THEY HAD A WHOLE SPACE, A LARGE SPACE IN THEIR MIND, WHICH WAS A PRETTY BIG PERCENTAGE OF THEIR BUILDING, 40% OR SOMETHING, WHERE THEY WERE STORING INVENTORY FOR THEIR PARTS BUSINESS AND FOR THEIR REPAIR BUSINESS. AND SO OUR CONCERN WAS, IF WE DON'T KIND OF FIX THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE SEPARATE BUILDINGS BEING BUILT, LIKE WE'LL HAVE THESE WEIRD WALLS WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY SEPARATE THE BUILDING TRYING TO OVERCOME THAT PROBLEM. RIGHT? AND SAYING, HEY, I'M GOING TO BUILD MY, MY LITTLE WAREHOUSE BUILDING AND SAY IT'S WAREHOUSE AND NOT LET YOU DO THE IMPACT FEE AT THE RETAIL LEVEL FOR THE WHOLE SPACE. YEAH, I GUESS IT DOES, YOU KNOW, COME CASE BY CASE. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE THINKING THROUGH THESE DETAILED, SPECIFIC APPROACHES. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE SCENARIOS, EACH ONE OF THOSE AREAS ARE EMPLOYEE GENERATING. BUT THEN ALSO ESPECIALLY ON THE RETAIL SIDE OF THINGS, WE'RE ALSO CONSUMER ATTRACTING, LET'S SAY. AND SO YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'VE DONE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SORT OF TRYING TO PARCEL OUT THOSE PERMITS TO CAPTURE THAT DEMAND. BECAUSE THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. RIGHT. LIKE, I THINK SOME OF THE CITIES IN THE STATE ACTUALLY DO IT BY VISITS, CAR VISITS. RIGHT. AND WHAT THEIR ESTIMATES WOULD BE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC INCREASE. BUT THAT IS NOT OUR APPROACH WITH RETAIL. RIGHT. LIKE OUR APPROACH IS WHAT'S THE VALUE OF, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GOING TO BRING MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S A SELLING MERCHANDISE, EATING DRINKING PLACES, ENTERTAINMENT OR OFFICES ARE EVEN LOWER AND THEN INDUSTRIAL IS LOWER AND THEN INSTITUTIONAL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A CHURCH IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN INDUSTRIAL. SO THOSE ARE BASED OFF OF THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE RETAIL WILL DRIVE MORE CAR TRIPS. YEAH. SO IT ISN'T IT ISN'T DIVORCE FROM CAR TRIPS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIKE FOR RESIDENCES, BUT FOR THESE SECTIONS, CAN YOU GIVE ME AN INSIGHT INTO THAT? AND IT'S GOING TO STAY SIMILAR TO IT. BUT IT'S NOT PER TRIP. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY TELLING US WHAT THAT TRIP IS GOING TO BE. RIGHT. IT'S THAT THOUGHT THAT RETAILERS FOR THE FOUR DIFFERENT FEES THAT THE CITY HAS, THE ASSUMPTIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE ARE, ARE BASED OFF OF THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRAW. SO FOR THE STREET TRANSPORTATION FEE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT TRAFFIC. THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT FOR RETAIL SPACES, THEY'LL THEY'LL GENERATE THE MOST TRAFFIC BECAUSE THEY'RE INVITING THE PUBLIC TO COME AND INTERACT WITH THEM. AND THAT AND WE DO SEE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS GENERATING A LOT OF TRAFFIC, WHEREAS AN INDUSTRIAL USE, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT WE GENERATE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC. SO THAT'S WHY THE IMPACT FEE FOR INDUSTRIAL USES IS MUCH LOWER. IS THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR WHAT IS I'M GUESS I'M NOT. MY CONCERN IS THAT LIKE IF I WAS REALLY TRYING TO PLAY THIS SYSTEM, WHICH IS 
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KIND OF WHAT WE RAN INTO, LIKE, ARE WE DOING ENOUGH IN THIS, IN THIS TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE FOR US AND FOR DEVELOPERS. SO IF SOMEONE ELSE WAS GOING TO BUILD A CAR DEALERSHIP, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE A RETAIL SPACE AND INVENTORY AND, AND SERVICE AREA, OR ARE THEY JUST GOING TO BUILD FOUR SEPARATE BUILDINGS NOW THAT THAT IS NOT A WEAKNESS IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE ORDINANCE THAT ALREADY PROVIDES THAT IF THERE'S MULTIPLE USES BEING DONE IN ONE STRUCTURE, THEY CAN ASK FOR A FEE ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY CAME TO COUNCIL TO ASK FOR. COUNCIL AGREED WITH THEM AND LOWERED THEIR OVERALL IMPACT FEE, STRUCTURED IT OUT BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT COUNCIL BELIEVED WAS INSTITUTE WAS INDUSTRIAL, THE PORTION THAT IT BELIEVED WAS OFFICE USE, AND THE PORTION THAT IT BELIEVED WAS RETAIL USE, WHICH WAS APPROXIMATELY EXACTLY WHAT THEY ASKED FOR. AND I FEEL LIKE TO THAT POINT, JOHN, MAYBE WE CAN WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN OUR TIMELINE WHEN WE GO OVER THE ORDINANCE, THAT WE HIGHLIGHT THAT AS A AS A DISCUSSING POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DIRECTION TO STAFF IS CONTINUES TO BE THAT SAME. IT SEEMS COMPLEX, AND I CAN SEE WHY STAFF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL. IT'S MORE OF AN ART THAN A SCIENCE, LIKE HE'S SAYING. AND COLIN AND MICHAEL ARE CORRECT, BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER THAT PARTICULAR CASE. AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED WAS RETAIL. AND WE ACTUALLY CALLED OTHER IDAHO CITIES, AND THEY ALSO CLASSIFIED CAR DEALERSHIPS AS RETAIL. SO WE WERE BEING CONSISTENT WITH OUR IDAHO CITIES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT MULTI-USE AND THAT ACTUALLY IS AVAILABLE IN THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT PARTICULAR PARCELS BASED ON MULTI-USE AND NOT JUST PUT THEM IN THE CATEGORY. SO WE'VE GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF, BUT IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION TO THE PROCESS AND WHAT WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT PROCESS RATHER THAN IT COMING TO. I ALSO WANT TO KIND OF STOP PEOPLE FROM TRICKING US, BECAUSE I ALSO THINK THERE'S THIS TENDENCY, OH, I'M BUILDING A CHURCH, AND THEN YOU RENT IT OUT AS A RESTAURANT ALL WEEK, YOU KNOW, LIKE LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN, RIGHT? IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE THEIR KINKS AND ARROWS, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK THERE. SO YOU CAN BE TRICKED INTO WHAT TRIPS ARE GOING TO COME TO A PLACE. AND SO, OKAY, I'VE GOT THAT BEEN PUT ON THE SCHEDULE AS WELL FOR JOHN, FOR THE CONVERSATION AROUND THE ORDINANCE. CAN I I'LL ASK ANOTHER QUESTION THEN. COLIN. I, I HAVE REALLY APPRECIATED OUR CURRENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO REALLY ADDRESS WHERE GROWTH IS HAPPENING. AND SO WE HAVE LIKE A REIMBURSEMENT TO THE DEVELOPER. AND I THINK LIKE FIRST NINE PROJECTS IN THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN ADDRESS THOSE REIMBURSEMENTS. BUT THEN MOVING FORWARD, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE LOCKED IN A LITTLE BIT MORE TO LIKE, OH, WE'RE GOING TO DO 49TH STREET AND WE'RE GOING TO DO 33RD STREET. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO INCLUDE MAYBE A PERCENTAGE OF THE FEES THAT WE'RE COLLECTING TO GO SPECIFIC FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF OUR ARTERIALS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON UTAH RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS JUST A STREET IN OUR TOWN. SORRY, COLIN, I REALIZE YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE DOING A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE. 
          IT'S ON AN ARTERIAL. IT'S TO ADDRESS INCREASED TRAFFIC. AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, USING IMPACT FEES FOR THAT BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER THE OLD STUDY. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY TO CONTINUE. WITH SOME KIND OF ARTERIAL ROAD EXPANSION THAT ISN'T TIED DIRECTLY TO A PROJECT THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE CIP. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, ROAD IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE, WELL, MAYBE EVEN MAYBE EVEN A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THAT PROJECT THAT ARE EXPANDING CAPACITY AND SOME THAT AREN'T, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT'S NOT EXPANDING CAPACITY. SO, YOU KNOW, ROADS IS A GOOD WAY BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ADDED VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY. SO THERE'S A SORT OF ENGINEERED NUMBER THAT WE CAN FALL BACK ON THERE. AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ONLY LOOKING AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, ARTERIAL ROADWAYS. NOW WE HAVE THAT KIT AND WE'RE USING THAT KIT AS A SORT OF GUIDING DOCUMENT, BUT WE ARE STILL TAKING THAT APPROACH WHERE WE LOOK AT YOUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND PROJECT THAT OUT. AND THEN FOR THE TRUTH, TEST THAT WITH YOUR ROAD TRIP. AND IN THIS CASE, YOUR IP IS ACTUALLY JUST BELOW THE GROWTH RELATED NEED. AND SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY SEEING A TRYING TO GET TO IT HERE. I THINK WE'LL 
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FLIP IT. 18. JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT PERCENT 13%. YEAH. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN THE FINAL FEE AMOUNT BECAUSE YOUR CIP HAS 87% OF THE GROWTH RELATED NEED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND SO WE REDUCED IT BY 13% TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT GAP AND SORT OF PROVIDE A FACILITY. SO MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT OVER COLLECTING ON GROWTH. BUT IN THIS CASE WE'RE SIMILAR TO PARKS. IS CIP IS NECESSARY TO JUSTIFY COLLECTING. AND THAT HELPS IN SOME CASES. RIGHTSIZE THE FEES. WE'RE NOT OVER COLLECTING, BUT THAT CIP CAN EVOLVE OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY FROM ROADWAY PERSPECTIVE. IF, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET JUST CHANGES AND GROWTH WAS OCCURRING IN THE NORTH. NOW TO SOUTH OR SOUTH TO THE NORTH. BUT WHAT YOU'RE COMMITTING YOURSELF TO THE CITY IS PROVIDING THAT COMMITTED LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH IS ALMOST TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE, JUST BELOW. AND SO LET'S SAY NORTH FIFTH WEST EXPANSION FROM CITY LIMITS. I'M JUST LOOKING AT SORT OF THE MIDDLE PROJECT THERE, MAYBE TEN DOWN 2027 ONE LANE MILE, 1.19 LANE MILES, $2 MILLION. YOU HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARTERIAL EXPANSION PROJECT THERE. IF THAT PROJECT DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION. BUT WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROJECT, WE CAN JUST REPLACE THAT IN THE FUTURE. CIP, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SIMILAR BENEFITS TO THOSE THAT ARE PAYING THE FEE AND TO THE TUNE OF ONE MILE AND $2 MILLION, WHILE WE SORT OF IN-KIND CHANGED OUR CIP AND SORT OF STILL LIVING UP TO OUR COMMITMENT OF EXPANDING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO DO THAT, OR CAN WE JUST THE GROWTH DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN WHERE WE PLAN IT TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? SO OCCASIONALLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD WHEN WE EXPANDED WOODRUFF, IT WAS KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, IT SNUCK UP ON US. I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT, THAT WE HAD AN ISSUE IN A SPOT AND WE HAD TO ADDRESS IT. AND WE IT WASN'T TIED INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD, YOU KNOW, CASE WHERE YOU'RE UPDATING YOUR CIPS EVERY YEAR. COMMUNITIES YOUR SIZE TEND TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE EVOLVING THEIR IMPACT FEE IN CIP AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS. BUT BUT CAN DO IT IN A SHORTER TIME FRAME TO ADDRESS THOSE MARKET NEEDS. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SORT OF FROM AN IMPACT FEE PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE COLLECTING FOR THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, NOT A PLAN. AND THAT'S THAT'S A PLAN BASED APPROACH, WHICH IS SORT OF A QUESTION THAT WAS CAME UP FOR FIRE. SO AS LONG AS WE'RE PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE OVER TIME, THE DETERMINED PROJECTS CAN CHANGE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FUNDED TO THE PLAN, BUT WE'RE WE'RE GETTING TO THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE SO WE CAN UPDATE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THAT. WE CAN UPDATE OUR CIP AND WORK TOWARDS WHATEVER YEARLY CIP WE HAVE, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MATCH EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE STUDY. BUT WE ARE KEEPING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WE ARE TRADING OUT ONE PROJECT FOR ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S QUITE COMMON. YEAH. IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, BACK IN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THIS, THIS PROJECT, MAYBE IT'S A BAD EXAMPLE, BUT NORTH WEST EXPANSION, IF THAT CHANGES IN TWO YEARS TO NORTH. HENCE YOU KNOW, WEST EXPANSION. ONE MILE, $2.2 MILLION, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL YOU'RE STILL EXPANDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO A VERY SIMILAR EXTENT. YOU'RE JUST ACTUALLY PROVIDING BETTER, BETTER BENEFIT BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDRESSING THAT NEED. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD HAS A COUPLE MORE. SO ON PAGE 86, THE TOTAL DAILY VEHICLE TRIP PROJECTIONS. AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY THAT THAT'S THAT YOU THINK RIGHT NOW IN THE BASE YEAR, THAT OUR DAILY TRIP PROJECTION PROJECTIONS ARE 306,821 TRIPS A DAY, AND OUR CITY, THAT'S BEING POSTED THOSE NUMBERS. ARE GETTING TO IT, RIGHT? YEAH. FIGURE 78. YEAH, 81. FIGURE 81, PAGE 86. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT. THAT'S BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY HIGH NUMBER. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF CARS. WE'RE ALL FILLING THAT. BUT I JUST IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE, OR IS THAT A IS THERE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF WHAT A DAILY VEHICLE VEHICLE TRIP PROJECTIONS BASED ON NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS. NONRESIDENTIAL 
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FLOOR FLOOR AREA, SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN TRIP RATE THAT WE EITHER HAVE CUSTOMIZED FOR IDAHO FALLS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. WE'VE DONE THAT SO WE CAN LOOK AT ACTUALLY CENSUS DATA TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN HOMES, BUT ALSO HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE AT HOME. AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT. INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, THEY HAVE THESE SORT OF EQUATIONS. I USED TO PLUG IN THOSE DATA POINTS TO AVERAGE OUT HOW MANY TRIPS PER DAY ARE COMING FROM HOUSING UNITS, AND THEN ALSO IT HAS TRIP RATES FOR RETAIL, OFFICE, INDUSTRIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL. SO WE JUST APPLY THAT TO SORT OF WHAT WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE GROUND TODAY. AND THEN GROWTH IS OCCURRING. SO WE YOU KNOW, IF YOU PROJECT OUT INCREASE IN VEHICLE TRIPS BASED ON THAT. SO THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON OUR HOUSING STOCK TIMES, THE NUMBERS THAT THE TRIP GENERATION 11TH EDITION SAYS. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THESE NUMBERS. SO THIS IS AN ESTIMATE. THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS I HAD ANOTHER COUNTY OFFICIAL FROM OUTSIDE OUR AREA SAY, MAN, I GET TIDAL FALLS A LOT. WHY ARE YOU GUYS INCENTIVIZING THOSE MULTIFAMILY UNITS? AND I SAID, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? AND HE SAID, WELL, IT'S $3,000 IMPACT FEE. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, $5,000 FOR MULTIFAMILY. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CHEAPER TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY. 
          AND SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SEEMS TO BE A GREAT SOLUTION TO THAT. I MENTIONED THAT TO THIS PERSON AND THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD START. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? IS THAT TRUE? I MEAN, WE'RE ALSO SAYING THERE'S LESS PEOPLE IN MULTIFAMILY, LIKE IT'S CLEARLY TRUE IN THE RESEARCH THAT IT'S 1.7 PEOPLE. AND SO THAT 2.6, RIGHT, IN THOSE SMALLER APARTMENTS. SO THERE SEEMS TO BE LESS OF AN IMPACT FROM APARTMENT DWELLERS IN SOME WAYS. AND YET THE PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION ABOUT APARTMENTS IS THAT, OH, SO MANY APARTMENTS. WHY ARE YOU WHY ARE YOU WHY ARE WE BUILDING SO MANY APARTMENTS? SO DO YOU THINK THAT YOU TOLD US WHEN YOU WERE HERE BEFORE, THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE APPROACH IS FAIRLY EMERGING, RIGHT? THAT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IMPACT, BUT DO IN THEORY. IS THIS GOING TO HELP US IN THAT RESPECT? TO SAY NO, ALL SQUARE FOOTAGE BUILT WITH RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO BE A FAIR NUMBER LIKE IT'S BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NOW, NOT HOW MANY PEOPLE IN MULTIFAMILY. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN AND YOU KNOW, IMPORTANTLY TOO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PER PER DOOR, PER FRONT DOOR. THE MULTIFAMILY WILL BE LESS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT TRUE EVERYWHERE ACTUALLY IN IN THE TOWN OF HAILEY RIGHT NOW I'M UPDATING THEIR FEE STUDY. AND IN THAT CASE THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE PEOPLE IN MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAN SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SO THE AFFORDABILITY, HOUSING, YOU KNOW, CRISIS THERE. AND SO THERE'S IN THOSE CASES YOU DO EXECUTE LARGER FAMILY SIZES IN MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES OR MULTIFAMILY. SO IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, A SOME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE. THERE'S EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE LET'S SAY. BUT BUT WHEN YOU BUILD A 50 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING, YOU WILL BE PAYING 50 TIMES THE FEE. AND SO THAT COULD BE $150,000. AND SO THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL FEE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEING COLLECTED. AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SEE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, BUT THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, 400 PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT BUILDING COMPARED TO THREE PEOPLE LIVING IN A FAMILY. THE NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOT OR, SORRY, THE RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE STRUCTURE DOES HELP ACCOMPLISH TWO THINGS, BOTH FROM A HOUSING AFFORDABILITY PERSPECTIVE WHERE WE'RE DIGGING DIGGING IN EVEN DEEPER TO LOOK AT NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER HOME. SO IT IS MORE LIKE DEFENSIBLE AND PROPORTIONATE. BUT DOES IT ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THE EDGE HOMES GROW AND SHY, SO DO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND SO ON. THE OTHER END, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THAT FEE IS PROPORTIONATE AS WELL. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THOSE HIGHER FEES OKAY. AND SO IN YOUR OPINION, IF I WAS IN THE PUBLIC AND SOMEONE SAID, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TRYING TO DO TO HELP WITH THIS SITUATION, CAN I POINT TO THIS AND SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK MIGHT HAVE AN IMPACT TO HELP HAVE A MORE. EQUAL APPROACH TO ALL TYPES OF HOUSING SO THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE A CHOICE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHAT THEY WANT, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, I'M GOING TO BUY, I HAVE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY, OR I HAVE TO BUILD A TYPEKIT. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, IF I WAS IF I WAS BEING POLITICALLY INCORRECT, CAN I SAY, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO 
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ADDRESS THIS APARTMENT THING. THIS IS ONE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT. YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANTLY THOUGH TOO, IS IDAHO FALLS. FALLS. YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO SEE PROBABLY A LARGER CONDOS SHOW UP AS WELL, OR SMALLER RESIDENTIAL, EITHER SINGLE FAMILY SORT OF COTTAGE CABINS. AND WE DON'T WANT TO CHARGE THOSE. HOW THAT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THE SAME AS YOUR 30 500 SQUARE FOOT FIVE BEDROOM HOME AS WELL. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF SORT OF USE CASES, BOTH FROM AN APARTMENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO, OKAY, JIM, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY DETAILED, BUT I JUST WONDERED WHEN I'M TRYING TO READ THESE COMPARISON CHARTS, LIKE OVER SEVERAL TIMES, YOU'LL SEE LIKE UNDER PARKS AND REC MAXIMUMS AFFORDABLE FEE IN GREEN AND THEN CURRENT FEE IN BLACK AND WHITE. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? THIS HAPPENS TO BE PAGE 32 OKAY THANK YOU. BUT IT SHOWS UP AGAIN. IT DOES. YEAH. AND WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF I'M REALLY TRYING TO COMPARE THAT IN MY HEAD TO WHAT WE HAVE, WE'RE ONLY COLLECTING 75% CURRENTLY. SO IF I WANTED TO MEASURE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE UNDER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT WOULD BE. 
          COMPARABLE. COMPARABLE TO MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM. JUST AM I MAKING ANY SENSE? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT QUESTION. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS WRESTLING WITH MYSELF BECAUSE BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT. SOME OF THESE FEES ARE ACTUALLY 25% LOWER THAN WHAT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN A FEW YEARS AGO. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TRY AND COMPARE IT FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY PAYING TODAY? WHAT MIGHT THEY PAY TOMORROW? THAT'S WHY I WENT WITH THE CURRENT FEE, NOT THE 2021 MAXIMUM. BUT THERE WOULD BE MORE OF A BENEFIT TO SOME OF THE SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE DWELLINGS. YES. THEN IT SHOWS HERE. IF IT WAS 100% ON BOTH COLUMNS. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, YEAH IT LOOKS BETTER. BUT BUT YOU KNOW, AT THE MOMENT YOU KNOW THAT THAT MULTIFAMILY IS BEING CHARGED. 
          2943 AND SO FOR COMPARISON SAKES, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE ADOPTING NEW FEE SCHEDULE, WHAT IS IT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT COMING FROM TO GOING TO IF THAT CHANGES. AND THEN ON THE, ON THE SAME CHART KIND OF THING, IT SEEMS LIKE OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNDER THE CHART CHANGE, IT'LL HAVE THE FIRST BLOCK IS IN RED IN PARENTHESES, WHICH I ASSUME LESS THE CHANGE, BUT THEN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ARE ALSO LESS, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN RED. SO DOES THAT RED HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE? WELL IT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, THE RED AND THE IN THE IN THE PARENTHESES SHOULD BE THE INDICATION FOR A DECREASE. IF THERE'S IF MAYBE THAT PERCENTAGE AND MAYBE I HAVEN'T CODED A FEW OF THEM RED AND THEY SHOULD BE RED. BUT IN THAT THAT CHANGE THE DIFFERENCE. 
          THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CURRENT AND THE MAXIMUM CURRENT IN MAXIMUM. SO ON ON UNDER 1000 COUNCILMEMBER FRANCIS THE CURRENT. SO IT GO AND THEN YOU GO TO THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE. 
          SO IN THE SECOND ROW IT WOULD GO UP BY $40. SO IT IS UP BY 60. EVERYTHING ELSE IT GOES THAT DIRECTION OKAY OKAY. JUST A QUICK NOTE ON PAGE 16. SHOULDN'T I THINK THE HEADING SHOULD BE NONRESIDENTIAL I AGREE. YEAH. OR COMMERCIAL HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY THAT. YEAH. DID YOU GET THAT COLIN. WE'VE GOT TWO GRAPHS LABELED THE SAME OR TWO FIGURES THERE. YEAH. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING ON A POWERPOINT. IT SOUNDS LIKE. RIGHT. NO, WE'RE WORKING OFF THE ACTUAL STUDY. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE ON PAGE 1616. THERE WE SEE ONE. 1515 AND 16 DOESN'T HAVE ANY. I NEED TO 
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DELIVER IT TO YOU. I'M GOING BY THE PACKET NUMBER. FIGURE NINE. FIGURE NINE ON PAGE 15. YEAH I'M LOOKING AT EIGHT COMPARED TO NINE, SAY. YEAH. IT'S FIGURE NINE. YEAH YEAH OKAY I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. THE SECOND FIGURE SHOULD JUST BE, SAY NONRESIDENTIAL. YEAH. OH SURE. 
          OH THERE YOU GO. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS THIS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT BASEMENT PROBLEM THAT COMES WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? NO ACTUALLY THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A FULL WORK SESSION. YEAH. AROUND THAT AS WELL. YEAH. I THINK YEAH. WELL WE HAVE A DATE FOR THAT. WE DO HAVE A DATE. YEAH. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN I KNOW COLIN WILL BE HERE FOR THE REST OF THE, YOU KNOW, OUR WORK SESSIONS. BUT TO ANSWER FURTHER QUESTIONS BUT KIND OF TO GET US ON THE RIGHT TRACK. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER. JUST A IN THE PARKS AREA, WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY, CIVIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. AND IF I READ IT RIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TAKING OUT THE TERM NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS IN TERMS OF IMPACT FEES. IS THERE A STANDARDIZED DEFINITION, PJ OR, YOU KNOW, CDS OR ANYTHING FOR KIND OF WHAT THOSE PARKS IS? WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS HELP THE UNDERSTANDING AND ALSO MAKE IT WORK FOR THE DEVELOPER WHO LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS, OKAY, WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? SO THERE IS KIND OF STANDARDIZED PROTOCOLS, I GUESS, FOR WHAT A PARK, WHAT CATEGORY OF PARK FITS INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD? ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT TAKING NEIGHBORHOODS OUT IS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GENERATING A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. RIGHT. AND SO THAT THAT DOLLAR COULD BE ABLE TO PUMP BACK INTO A PARK DEVELOPMENT IS A LOT SMALLER. 
          AND WHAT WE WERE SEEING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUILDING, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN AND YOU AND YOU'RE PUTTING THAT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NORTH END OF TOWN, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT. SO IF WE IF WE DO COMMUNITY AND CIVIC, THOSE ARE BOTH CITYWIDE USED PARKS. THOSE DROP FROM ANYWHERE FROM A LARGER AREA FROM TWO MILES UP TO YOUR ENTIRE REGION. AND SO THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE MY DOLLARS ON THIS END OF TOWN GOING INTO THAT? BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE PROGRAMED IN A WAY THAT IT BRINGS PEOPLE FROM THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY INTO THAT PARK. THAT WAS KIND OF WHY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THAT FROM THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I SEE THE IDEA. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, THAT WHEN A DEVELOPER READS THIS AND HE'S PUTTING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER, AND THEN HE COMES AND TALKS TO US, OR HE TALKS TO WHOEVER, THAT THERE'S CONSISTENCY IN WHAT WHAT HE'S UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE PARK. TYPICALLY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK'S GOING TO BE A LOT SMALLER, AND A LOT OF TIME YOU WON'T SEE PARKING AT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. IT'S A LOT MORE ON STREET PARKING. SO YOU'RE DRAWING TO THAT, THAT SMALLER, THAT SMALLER REGION. SO 20TH STREET, 20TH STREET OR KATE CURLEY PARK, IF YOU KIND OF PICTURE THAT, THAT'S KIND OF TO ME, THE VERY TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN TERRY'S BOOK. BUT BUT IT DOES. THE FUNNY THING IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK UP ACREAGE, IT'S NOT LIKE UNDER THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD OVER TEN OR BETWEEN TEN. AND IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT ACTUALLY CALLS OUT THAT A LOT OF CIVIC PARKS ARE ACTUALLY LARGER THAN WHAT WE TEND TO SEE HERE. CIVIC PARKS TEND TO HAVE MORE OF KIND OF A ONE USE MORE OF A GATHERING SPACE SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'LL HAVE CINCO DE MAYO AND JUNE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATIONS AND MAYBE BANDSHELLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WALKWAYS WHERE COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO BE A LOT MORE MULTI-USE, AND THE SPECIFIC AMENITIES SUCH AS BALL DIAMONDS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT THOSE SIZES TEND TO KIND OF SHIFT JUST DEPENDING ON AMENITIES OPEN. YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT GIVES YOU ENOUGH FREEDOM THOUGH TO SO SAY SOMEONE COMES ALONG. THERE'S THIS PROJECT OUT IN THE COUNTRY THAT SAYS A PARK WITHIN A 15 MINUTE WALK, RIGHT. THIS STILL GIVES YOU THE FREEDOM TO DEVELOP THOSE IF YOU'D LIKE. OR THE DEVELOPERS CAN DEVELOP THEM. OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU STILL HAVE THE FREEDOMS YOU NEED? YES. IF WE PUT A FEW MORE AMENITIES IN THEM, IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER TO DO A VERY STRIPPED DOWN, VERY PASSIVE STYLE PARK BECAUSE IT IS. IT IS WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT COMMUNITY COMMUNITY CATEGORY, YOU DO TEND TO SEE MORE MULTI-USE. SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE ARE. IT MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PARK THAT HAS A PLAYGROUND AND MAYBE A WALKING PATH, BECAUSE THAT COULD VERY MUCH BE CONSIDERED KIND OF KIND OF GO INTO A COUPLE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. IT COULD BE LOOKED AT, BUT IT WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM DOING THAT, JUST NOT WITH THE IMPACT FEE. LIKE I LOOK AT 
          [01:20:05]
HOW TIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE WITH THE IMPACT FEE ANYWAY. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER QUESTION IS WITH THOSE KIND OF PARKS, IS A LAKE AN AMENITY LIKE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS GET? YEAH, IT IS IN OUR IN OUR AMENITY LIST. WE HAVE POOLS AND PONDS WHICH ALSO EQUATE TO A LAKE OF SOME KIND OF A SWIMMING STRUCTURE, LIKE THE MASTER PLAN FOR TENNIS. HAS A LAKE IN THE FRONT? YES. ACRES. 
          YEAH. SO THAT COULD BE PAID FOR WITH THE IMPACT FEE BECAUSE IT'S AN AMENITY. IS THAT THE QUESTION? YES. AND WE WILL TALK WE WILL TALK ABOUT MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO ACTUALLY IS IF WE MOVE ON TO THAT NEXT QUICK TENTATIVE TIMELINE DISCUSSION, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HAVE FOR THE 23RD, IF YOU WOULD. YEAH. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND MOVING, WE'LL MOVE THAT CONVERSATION FOR THAT WORK SESSION ON THE 23RD. I THOUGHT WE COULD JUST IF YOU CAN ADVANCE IT JUST ONE MORE. SO THE 23RD, WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN SO THAT WE CAN DO A DEEP DIVE SO THAT WE KNOW WE CAN TALK AGAIN ABOUT THE AMENITIES AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET 53 ACRES. I AS I'VE CALCULATED THE NUMBERS, IT'S JUST MY OWN WORK, NOT WITH ANYBODY. IT FEELS LIKE IF THE IN ORDER TO EVEN GET 53 DEVELOPED ACRES WITH 21 AMENITIES, IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE. SO WHERE DOES THAT $10 MILLION FEE OR IS THAT SIX. IT'S WE'RE ONLY WE'RE ONLY PROJECTED TO COLLECT SIX. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH $6 MILLION. AND THEN MAYBE ON THE JULY 6TH. SO EXCUSE ME THE SEVENTH. DEFINITIONS, DEFINITIONS OF WHAT DID WE DISCUSS THERE. IT'S BEEN IN THE DEFINITIONS IN THE ORDINANCE. OH THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE PREDICATED ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. YES. ON THE DWELLING UNITS. YES. THAT IS CORRECT. SORRY. THAT IS WHAT. SO THEN THAT'S WHEN WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS MAYBE THE HOW TO HOW TO TACKLE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. YEAH. DO YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE WITH THAT CONVERSATION THAT, THAT CAN BE A CONVERSATION YOU SKIP I DO FEEL BETTER HEARING FROM COLIN THAT THE CIP CAN BE A YEARLY CONVERSATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A, AN UPDATED STUDY, THAT WE CAN JUST ADDRESS IT. I FEEL MUCH BETTER ABOUT THAT. AND THEN JULY 28TH WE WOULD JUST LOOK AT THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE AND CONSIDER SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD AROUND HOUSING, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES AROUND WHETHER WE GAVE A IMPACT FEE WAIVER AND THEN WE PAID IT, AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HUD WAS REALLY A RELIABLE SOURCE FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP TRACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEN AUGUST, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE AUGUST 11TH. REVIEW THE ORDINANCE ORDINANCE, THE UPDATED IMPACT FEE STUDY, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOES EVERYBODY FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE SIDE BY SIDE BY SIDE BY SIDE WHAT WE'VE DONE. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHEN WE WOULD ADOPT AND IMPLEMENT. THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION. THERE'S A LOT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION. I MEAN, EVEN THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD HERE, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, NOW WE CAN DELVE INTO IT AND LOOK AT, BUT IF WE CAN COME READY, MAYBE WITH THE DISCUSSION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE WOULD DISCUSS THE POLICE CARS. THAT'S A THAT'S AN ISSUE ABOUT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. SO WE'D HAVE PARKS, TRANSPORTATION, FIRE AND POLICE THAT WE COULD REALLY HAVE A DEEP DIVE AT THE JUNE 23RD MEETING. AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MAY I ASK IF THIS WEEKEND, SOMEBODY YOU KNOW, TAKES OUT THE STUDY, ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TAKES OUT THE STUDY AND HAS A PARTICULAR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY. WOULD THEY STILL BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I COULD SHARE THAT WITH COLIN, AND THEN HE COULD PROVIDE A RESPONSE? YES. OH YES, FOR SURE. THAT WAY IF SOMETHING YOU KNOW, DOES, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT OVER THE WEEKENDS. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO NOT BE SHY ABOUT SENDING THAT OVER TO ME. AND I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH COLIN, AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE US A RESPONSE. YEAH, THAT I WOULD SHARE WITH EVERYONE, OF COURSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUNE 23RD IS OUR NEXT WORK SESSION. THAT FEELS LIKE A LONG WAYS 
          [01:25:04]
AWAY. YEAH. SO? SO YEAH, WE CAN DIG IN, DIG IN TO THIS, HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE A REALLY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE ADOPT THIS, WHAT WE'RE ADOPTING, HOW IT RELATES TO OUR ORDINANCE. GIVE CBS ENOUGH TIME TO BE VERY CLEAR ON COUNCIL'S INTENTIONS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AND NOT SPRING IT ON THEM IS EVERYTHING WE NEED FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT CONVERSATION. IT APPEARS TO BE HERE. DOES THAT FEEL COMFORTABLE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT? AS WE PREPARED? NOT NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT IF I MAY, I MAKE A SLIGHT LITTLE CLARIFICATION TO JULY 7TH WHEN GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT MY NOTES. SO THE DISCUSSION OF DEFINITION SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT, IF I MAY. THERE WILL ALSO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FINISHED UNFINISHED GARAGES. AND THEN YOU DON'T JUST ANY OTHER DEFINITIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS. SO I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T POINT THAT OUT AND I APOLOGIZE. I MISSED THAT ON THE. YEAH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. ON THE SLIDE ON JULY 7TH. I JUST PUT DEFINITIONS. YEAH, I KIND OF ASSUMED EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT THAT WAS. I, I FEEL LIKE I'M AT LEAST HAVING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE AMENITY PIECE. I HAVE REALLY BEEN STRUGGLING TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO. THERE'S SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HALF $1 MILLION AMENITY, AND WE NEED TO GET 21 OF THEM. WELL, LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, OKAY, WE DO 60 $60,000 AMENITIES. WELL MAYBE THAT DOESN'T FIT OUR PURPOSE EITHER. SO WELL IT'S REALLY INTERESTING WHEN YOU GO TO THOMAS PARK AND YOU GO TO THE. PURPOSE PLAYGROUND AND YOU PUT IN THAT THOSE TOUCH MACHINES WHERE KIDS CAN RUN AND TOUCH THOSE LIKE, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COSTS. 20,000, 10,025 I THINK. YEAH. SO LIKE YOU CAN KIND OF FILL UP WITH THOSE PROBABLY PRETTY QUICKLY. YEAH. BUT YOU HAVEN'T YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NAMED SOMETHING. BUT IT COULD HAVE A VASTLY DIFFERENT PRICE. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. AND SO I MEAN, HOW COME THIS MORE EXPENSIVE ONE CAN'T COUNT AS 2 OR 3, RIGHT. OF THE SMALLER ONES, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT YEAH, I MAY BE WRONG, BUT SOME LANE MILES LOOK LIKE THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OTHER LANE MILES, LIKE UTAH IS, WHAT, A 10TH OF A MILE OR WHATEVER OF LANE, WHICH IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE. YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF HOW WE WORK THAT ALL OUT. OKAY. I'M GLAD FOR THE CHANCE TO TALK TO OUR LIAISON DIRECTORS. YEAH. ON SOME OF THESE. YEAH. WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES TO THESE OR OR, YOU KNOW, THESE AREN'T SET IN STONE. 
          IF WE GET INTO JUNE 23RD AND WE NEED TO BUMP IT, IF WE SAY WE CAN DO TWO OF THESE AT ONE TIME, WE'LL DO IT. BUT SEPTEMBER IS IMPORTANT. LIKE WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. WE'RE REALLY WORKING TOWARDS SEPTEMBER BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS WITH FEES AND WITH THE BUDGET OR WHY. NO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF, IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. 
          WE BUMP IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE AND WE ARE COLLECTING FEES UNDER THAT IMPACT FEE. AND THAT STUDY, WHENEVER WE COLLECT ON THIS ONE, THAT'S WHEN WE MOVE TO THIS ONE. BUT WE AREN'T WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT. IT WOULD BE NICE THEN WITH THE WITH I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE WITH THE FISCAL YEAR OR WITH THE, THE REGULAR YEAR, BUT ONE OR THE OTHER. RIGHT. SO THAT WE HAVE A GOOD STARTING POINT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE STARTED THIS PROCESS A LITTLE BIT EARLY AND HAD THIS UNDER CONTRACT SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUR TIME AND HAVE THE TIME TO REVIEW EVERYTHING AND HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEN ALSO DO A COMMUNICATION CAMPAIGN, IF YOU WILL, AT OUR CHIEF OF STAFF AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR, GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS INDIVIDUAL, PUTTING TOGETHER A CAMPAIGN THAT ALLOWS FOR COMMUNICATION IN THE PUBLIC. SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS UPDATE DONE ON A TIMELY BASIS AND TRAINING TO CDS SO THAT WHEN THE DEVELOPER WALKS IN AND SAYS THEY GET THE RIGHT, THEY GET THE RIGHT ANSWER. WE WANT. WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED AND THEN THE RUSH FOR THE AND WHAT WE SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T. YEAH. SO AND THE ROLLOUT WAS PROBABLY NOT OUR BEST WORK. IT WAS AN AWFUL. 
          YEAH. SO BUT THAT WASN'T ON THERE FAULT. THAT WAS JUST YOU KNOW IT WAS NEW. AND NOW WE KIND OF KNOW SOME OF OUR PITFALLS. SO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHEN A, WHEN A DEVELOPER WALKS IN THAT WE PUT 
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THIS TOGETHER IN SUCH A WAY THAT CDS PEOPLE AT THE FRONT DESK REALLY DO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THERE AND HOW TO CONVEY THAT TO DEVELOPER AND GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE. THEY'RE NOT READING OUR MIND. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WE'LL JUST START TO 
          [Mayor and City Council ]
MY LEFT IS COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN. WE'LL JUST WORK AROUND THE ROOM IF ANYBODY HAS ANY. 
          CALENDAR ANNOUNCEMENTS. YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING FROM JUST THE POINT THAT. APA IS STARTING THIS WEEKEND AND RUNS INTO THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. SO WHAT? WHEN DOES APA START? IT ACTUALLY STARTS ON SUNDAY. OKAY, I'M I'M LEAVING FRIDAY. I KNOW THE MAYOR IS GOING TO BE HERE FRIDAY FOR SOMETHING. AND SO SHE PROBABLY WILL FLY OUT SATURDAY. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE'LL BE GONE. OKAY. WE WON'T BE BACK TILL LATE WEDNESDAY. SO. COUNCIL MEMBER DINGMAN, NOTHING TO ADD. THANK YOU. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER LARSEN, WE'RE TO YOU. EVERYBODY IS. THE ONLY THING I'D SAY IS PROBABLY EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS THIS. BUT BEING A LIAISON TO POLICE COMES WITH CERTAIN BENEFITS. YOU PROBABLY SHOULD EXPAND. YEAH. YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY I'M GOING TO NEED YOU TO EXPOUND ON THAT. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. 
          BRADSHAW AND I ARE. ARE INVOLVED IN WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY. POLICE ACADEMY. AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IN THERE IS LEARNING HOW TO DRIVE THE WAY COPS DRIVE. RIGHT. 
          SO I FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THERE'S SO MANY OF US THAT WHEN WE GO TO NEXT WEDNESDAY, NO. 
          YES. THIS COMING WEDNESDAY, WE CAN'T DRIVE. BUT THEN HE SAYS TO ME, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE TUESDAY RIGHT ALONG. IF YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE, YOU CAN COME IN. WE'LL LET YOU DROP. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS THERE IS. WELL DON'T POLICE CAR. ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU DO A PIT MANEUVER AND STUFF. YEAH. SO WE WILL WE DO HAVE OUR POWER BOARD MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY. SO YEAH. 
          SO THAT OTHER THAN THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, 745 WEDNESDAY MORNING, NO AIRPORT, NO AIRPORT. 
          NO, NOT NOT THIS WEEK. SO WEDNESDAY. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. OKAY. GOOD JOB.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.