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I HAD NO IDEA. GOOD AFTERNOON. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
IT'S NOT THE LONGEST AGENDA WE'VE EVER HAD, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOT FEEL MUCH STRESS AS WE GO THROUGH IT TODAY. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND INVITE OUR CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL FOR US, PLEASE, NOTING THAT COUNCILORS GAIL DINGMAN IS OUT. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE, COUNCILOR RADFORD. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILOR FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. WELL,
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THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A SIMPLE CONVERSATION. SORT OF A MOMENT FOR SOME EDUCATION. AND THEN JUST A CHECK IN TO SEE WHERE EVERYBODY STANDS ON SOME POSSIBILITIES HERE. BUT WE'VE HAD INVITED THE ARCHITECT, GREG KROPP FROM RESIN ARCHITECTURE TO COME AND GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP TO THE TABLE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND PAM WILL ACCOMPANY HIM. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MIKES THERE, AND WE WOULD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND MAKING TIME TO BE HERE. I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THIS ABOUT A MONTH AGO, PROBABLY BECAUSE I LOST TRACK OF THE EXACT TIME, BUT THE IDEA IS TO INVITE MR. CROFT TO SHARE WITH US THE WAY THAT YOU APPROACH AN IMPROVEMENT OR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WHEN A WHEN A, SORRY, A BUILDING THAT'S ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER, SUCH AS OUR CITY HALL BUILDING IS YOUR SUBJECT. AND THERE THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO APPROACH IT. AND HE TAUGHT ME ABOUT THIS, HE AND MR. WHIPPLE. AND THEN THEN FROM THERE HE AFTER THAT TEACHING, THEN JUST EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ENDED UP WANTING TO NOT WANTING TO DO WITH THE ELEVATOR PROJECT. YEAH.I'M SORRY. PAM, DID YOU WANT TO DO SOME INTRODUCTION, IF I MAY? YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU KNOW, I REALLY I REALLY WANT TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE HER AS AN ARCHITECT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW. I STARTED WORKING OR WE STARTED THE CITY STARTED WORKING WITH RESIN AND GREG HIMSELF AS FAR BACK AS LIKE 2017, 2018. AND IT WAS A SIMPLE IT STARTED OFF AS A SIMPLE LET'S WALK AROUND, LET'S LOOK AT THE BUILDING. THEN HIS TEAM CAME IN AND DID A SCANNING REVIEW OF THE BLUEPRINTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THIS PROJECT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MANY, MANY YEARS TO FRUITION THAT WE ARE TODAY. AND I JUST WANT TO REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE RESIN ARCHITECTURE. BOTH GREG AND GRAHAM AND HIS STAFF AT THE OFFICE FOR WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH US FOR SO MANY YEARS, LITTLE CONTRACT AT A TIME, A LITTLE CONTRACT AT A TIME. SO THANK YOU ALL AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE EXPERTISE YOU HAVE DEVELOPED IN OUR BUILDING.
YEAH. WELL, AND FOREMOST, THIS PROJECT WAS REALLY MEANT TO BE AN ACCESSIBILITY PROJECT TO CREATE, CREATE ACCESS TO A BUILDING THAT REALLY HAD, I THINK LESS THAN 20% OF IT WAS ACCESSIBLE. I THINK NOW ABOUT 80% OF IT IS ACCESSIBLE BASED ON ELEVATOR. SO THE LOCATION OF THAT WAS IS PRIMARILY THE FOCUS WHEN WE WHEN WE PUT THIS PROJECT TOGETHER. HOWEVER, RECOGNIZING THIS WAS NOT A HISTORIC PROJECT, WE WEREN'T APPROACHING IT NECESSARILY FROM THAT STANDPOINT. HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT WE WERE. WE PAID ATTENTION TO THAT. AND THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. AND SO HERE'S KIND OF THE EDUCATION PIECE BEHIND HISTORIC PROJECTS. SO ON HISTORIC PROJECTS, YOU EITHER HAVE TO MATCH EXISTING. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND THE BRICK.
WE'D HAVE TO MATCH THAT. WE'D HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO CREATE THE SAME MOTIFS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND DOING THAT KIND OF PROJECT IS, IS VERY DIFFICULT. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 100 YEAR OLD BUILDING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND THOSE THOSE GLAZED BRICKS THAT THAT EXIST ON THAT BUILDING. THE MIXTURE, THE COLORS, THEY WOULD BE WRONG. AND SO UNLESS YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A LARGE ATTIC STOCK OF THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL, IT'S NOT THE WAY THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY APPROACH A PROJECT LIKE THAT. SO THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT THE HISTORIC KIND OF TO STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES STATES THAT WE SHOULD LOOK TO KIND OF GIVE NODS TO THE HISTORIC ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING. WITHOUT TRYING TO OVER IMPOSE OR LIKE, IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS THAT IT'S DIFFERENT WHILE STILL MAINTAINING THE KIND OF THE RESPECT THAT THE TWO BUILDINGS SHARE. AND THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT WE TOOK. AND SO TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SO THE COLORS THAT WE USED. THERE'S LET'S SEE, THE COLORS THAT WE USED ARE PRIMARILY THESE
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FOUR COLORS WHICH I AM NOT GOING TO DISPLAY VERY WELL. THERE MIGHT BE A PICTURE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE COULD THROW UP TO ME TO PUT BOTH ON THAT. AND SO WE HAVE A GOOD WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF 25% OF THESE COLORS THROUGHOUT THAT BUILDING. AND THEN WE SO EACH OF THOSE, THOSE GLAZED BRICKS SO THESE KIND OF SEPARATE SEPARATE A LITTLE BIT. BUT THE COLORS ARE ACTUALLY QUITE SIMILAR. WE USED A RAINSCREEN SYSTEM. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. SO THE RAINSCREEN GIVES GIVES US OPTIONALITY IN TERMS OF THE SIZING. SO IT'S CUT DOWN TO A DIFFERENT SIZE. THESE ARE EQUIVALENT TO FOUR AND A HALF BRICKS WIDE BY FOUR AND A HALF BRICKS TALL. SO IT'S THE SAME LIKE WE TOOK DIMENSIONS OFF OF THE EXISTING BUILDING TO SEE WHAT THE BRICK SIZES WERE. AND THESE ARE ACTUALLY SIMILAR IN SIZE TO THAT, I GUESS, OR RELATIONAL IN SIZE. TO TRY TO CREATE THAT, OH, THIS IS RELATED TO THE BRICK, BUT IT'S AT A VERY DIFFERENT SCALE. IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO DO THIS DOWN TO THE REALLY SMALL SCALE, UNLESS WE WERE TRULY DOING BRICK. IN BETWEEN EACH OF THESE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A GAP. IF YOU KIND OF WALK UP CLOSE TO THE BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE THAT. AND IT'S A SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'D HAVE AS A GROUT LINE. AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID. AND THEN WE TRIED TO TIE IN THE BANDING. THEY ACTUALLY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB AT MATCHING THE BANDING HEIGHTS. IT IS A DIFFERENT COLOR, WHICH I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME PUSHBACK ON TOUCHING ANYTHING. THAT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING.THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PUSHBACK. HONESTLY, IF YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB BEING STAYING LIKE IN LINE, ONE WAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT SAID, HEY, YOU GUYS REALLY SCREWED THIS UP. IT'S NOT IN LINE. YOU KNOW, WE WISH THAT YOU HAD DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND I THERE MIGHT BE SOME PUSHBACK. WE DID SOMETHING MORE MODERN TRYING TO RELATE TO THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT NOT TRYING TO NECESSARILY MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO THERE MIGHT BE A PUSHBACK THERE, TOO. BUT IT'S IN OUR VIEW, IT'S IN LINE WITH HOW THE NATIONAL. THE NATIONAL PARKS RECOMMENDS THE HISTORIC. DOCUMENTS ARE MENTIONED ABOUT. SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY. SO IF I COULD JUST FRAME THIS FOR A SECOND. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COUNCILOR FREEMAN? WELL, NO, I HAD A COMMENT, ACTUALLY. JUST THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, MY FIRST TIME WRITING IT AND I TOOK IT TO THE BASEMENT AND I, WHEN I, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING IT, IT DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO ME THAT IT WOULD SERVE THE BASEMENT TO REALLY. I MEAN, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THAT THAT, THAT THAT THAT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO GET IN A WHEELCHAIR OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HANDICAPPED ALSO. SO. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A I THINK IT TURNED OUT GREAT. I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY 100% CORRECT THAT OUR ACCESSIBILITY GOALS HAVE BEEN MET AS MUCH AS WE'RE ABLE TO MEET THEM. THOSE THAT MEZZANINE ABOVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAY OR MAY NEVER REALLY BE. IT MAY NEVER BE PRACTICAL TO TRY TO CREATE SOME ACCESS FOR THAT SMALL SPACE AND FOR THE SUB BASEMENT, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. THEY JUST MAY NOT BE WORTH IT. BUT FOR PUBLIC AREAS WHERE WE DO PUBLIC WORK AND PUBLIC PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO REACH PEOPLE, I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB, OR I SHOULD SAY THIS, THIS PROJECT HAS MET ALL OF THOSE GOALS. SO THEY REALLY ARE THE TWO SIDES OF IT, RIGHT? THERE'S THE WAY IT FUNCTIONS.
AND I THINK 100% WE COULD CHECK OUT THE ACCESSIBILITY BOX. AND THAT WAS OUR GOAL. THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS, IT HAS COME TO ME AS THIS IS A MATTER OF OPINION, A MATTER OF BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. SORT OF. THERE'S A, I THINK, ALWAYS WITH ARCHITECTURE, THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF ART THAT IS GOING TO BE THERE. AND WE PROBABLY, MAYBE EVEN HAVE ENCOUNTERED SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE A FAVORITE ARCHITECT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, OR SOMEONE WE WOULD LOVE TO HIRE AND SOMEONE THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED THEIR STYLE. RIGHT? IT IS A MATTER OF PREFERENCE.
AND IN THIS CASE, THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON. AND THAT IS THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS NEW, WE IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET USED TO IT. THE WATER TOWER CHANGES TO OUR SKYLINE, TAKES A WHILE TO GET USED TO IT, AND IF YOU ANTICIPATE IT, YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. IT'S ONE THING. AND IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LAMENTING THE OLD TOWER, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW ON THIS. ON THE NEW ONE LOOKS LIKE. AND SO THERE ARE SOME HUMAN NATURE TENDENCIES THAT WE BRING TO THIS PROJECT. EARLY ON, I WAS PROBABLY REACTING TO THE CHANGE FACTOR, AND I SENT AN
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EMAIL TO PAM AND I SAID, PAM, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN EXPLAIN THIS TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S SO, SO DIFFERENT. AND WE SHE THAT'S WHEN SHE MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO MEET WITH MR. WHIPPLE AND MR. CROUCH, AND ONCE I HAD A TEACHING FROM THEM, IT'S LIKE ALL OF MY WORRIES WERE JUST THAT. THEY FOUND A PLACE TO BE. BUT TO THIS POINT, I WANTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE WE HAVE ANY KIND OF A RIBBON CUTTING TO CELEBRATE THE TREMENDOUS ACCESSIBILITY ACHIEVEMENT THAT WE'VE JUST THAT WE'VE MADE, THIS ACHIEVEMENT THAT WE HEARD, THIS THING THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED. BUT I WANTED TO THROW SOME THINGS OUT. ONE IS, AS MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE OR YOU MENTIONED THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE ATTIC STOCK, YADA YADA YADA. WELL, YOU HAVE ARRANGED FOR US TO HAVE SOME ATTIC STOCK. SO THIS IS SUPER DURABLE MATERIAL. WHAT DO WE CALL IT. DOES IT HAVE IT'S A SWISS PERLE. IT'S SIMILAR TO IT'S LIKE A CEMENT HARDY MIXED WITH A RESIN. LIKE IT'S A VERY I DON'T KNOW, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY DURABLE. IT'S ACTUALLY SO I THINK I MENTIONED IT HAS A RAINSCREEN BEHIND IT. AND SO WHAT THE RAINSCREEN ACTUALLY DOES IS IT WE'RE HELD OFF THE WALL. SO THIS PANEL SITS OUT HERE. THE WALL IS ACTUALLY BACK HERE. THIS BREATHES. AND SO WHAT THAT DOES IS IT ACTUALLY PROTECTS YOUR BUILDING LONGER BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A SOURCE OF LIKE MOISTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY HIT THIS SURFACE. IF THERE IS ANY MOISTURE THAT GETS BEHIND THAT, IT HAS A VENT THAT'S JUST FLOWING THROUGH AND ALLOWING IT TO DRY OUT. AND GREG, IF YOU COULD MENTION ALSO, I BELIEVE GRAHAM TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE'S SOME MATERIALS ACTUALLY ON A PARTICLE BOARD BEHIND IT. SO IF IT DOES GET WET IT CAN ERODE AND, AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THAT'S WHY THIS TILE I CALL THE TILE. COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT.YEAH. THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY AN ISSUE AT ALL BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE YOU COULD SOAK THIS FOR YEARS AND IT WOULD JUST STAY LIKE THIS. IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE CEMENT MIXED WITH RESIN. OKAY. SO WE HAVE SOME ATTIC STOCK TO REPLACE ANYTHING THAT DOES GET DAMAGED, BUT IT'S LESS LIKELY THAT THIS IS GOING TO GET DAMAGED BY NORMAL USE AND WEAR AND TEAR. AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS, WELL WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE? WELL, AT FIRST I WAS THINKING IT JUST HAS TOO MUCH BLACK OR IT HAS TOO MUCH. AND I WAS STARTING TO GET LIKE I DO SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, OVER OVERANALYTICAL AND PICKY. AND SO THEN I STARTED THINKING, WELL, MAYBE WE NEED A 70%, YOU KNOW, BROWN AND RED AND 10%, YOU KNOW. AND I STARTED TRYING TO TELL MYSELF THAT, OH, WE JUST CHANGED THE PROPORTIONS FROM 25, 25 TO 25. MAYBE IT WOULD BLEND BETTER. I HAVE SINCE CHANGED MY OWN MIND ON THAT, BUT I STILL SO THAT WAS ONE THING I WANTED TO THROW OUT. YOU MAY NOT HAVE CHANGED YOUR MIND, OR YOU MAY BE HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND. SO THERE'S THE ACTUAL THE MOTTLED COLORS HERE, HOW THEY ALL COME TOGETHER. BUT THEN THERE IS THE TRIM, AND I AM A LITTLE MORE DISAPPOINTED THAT THE TRIM DOESN'T MATCH, EVEN THOUGH THE TEXTURE DOESN'T REALLY CONCERN ME BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT DECORATIVE CARVED. WE'LL NEVER GET TO THAT, PROBABLY. BUT TALK ABOUT THE TRIM IN TERMS OF WHAT COULD BE DONE IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO BACK OUT THE WHITE AND TRY TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING ELSE. SO THE WHITE COLOR THAT'S USED IS THIS THEY HAVE A LIGHTER WHITE. THAT IS. SO WE THOUGHT WE WERE ACTUALLY OKAY BECAUSE WE WERE GOING WITH THE DARKER WHITE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS. I AGREE. AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER COLOR WHEN WE I THINK IT'S THIS ONE THAT WE'VE MATCHED UP. AND IT WAS I KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT IT. THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF SOMEBODY WENT OUT AND WASHED THOSE, WHAT COLOR THEY WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE THE OLD THE IVORY WITH THE CAST MATERIAL, IF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ALL OF A SUDDEN MAKE THIS LOOK NOT AS CONTRASTY AS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS. THIS IS ACTUALLY FADED QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS SINCE IT'S BEEN PUT UP. BUT I THINK THIS IMAGE IS PROBABLY TAKEN FROM TODAY. SO THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD DEPICTION OF WHERE IT CURRENTLY STANDS. ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, GRAHAM AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS WE COULD, WITHIN THE PRECAST MATERIAL, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL FROM HERE, BUT IT'S GOT A KIND OF THIS SHAPE AND THEN THIS SHAPE AND THIS SHAPE, AND WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THIS KIND OF MATERIAL. AND CREATE SOME
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SIMILITUDE TO WHAT THAT TRIM IS CURRENTLY DOING. SO THE OFFSET TRAPEZOIDS. YEAH. THE OFFSET TRAPEZOIDS. YEAH. BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE JUST HAVE THEM STRAIGHT. SO THERE'S OPTIONS TO JUST SWITCH OUT THAT TRIM. YOU KNOW THOSE BANDS FOR A COLOR THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE EXISTING BUILDING HAS SO THAT IT TIES TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT STRONGER. AND SO THERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE. THERE COULD BE THE COST OF, OF THE MATERIAL ITSELF, SHIPPING BECAUSE IT'S QUITE HEAVY. ANY CUTTING THAT WE WANT TO DO WOULD BE DONE AT THE FACTORY. SO THAT WOULD ADD TO THAT. AND, AND THEN OF COURSE THE LABOR TO TAKE DOWN THE WHITE AND PUT THIS UP. YOU WERE GUESSING THAT THAT MIGHT BE IN THE $3,000 RANGE WHEN WE DID SOME BACK OF THE ENVELOPE MATH.YEAH, IT WAS 5 TO 7000. AND THEN THE TIMELINE WAS JUST BECAUSE OF SHIPPING AND CUTTING. IT PUSHES IT OUT TO ABOUT SIX MONTHS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT CHANGING THE PROPORTION THAT WAS 7 TO 10,000. AND THEN THIS. OKAY. SO THE MATERIAL, THE MATERIAL IS PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME IF YOU WANT TO DO THE TRAPEZOID OR IF YOU'RE SWITCHING OUT THE MATERIAL, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. LIKE THE COST IS GOING TO BE OFFSET. THERE WAS A DIFFERENT. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE QUESTION IS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN ANY CHANGES? IT'S QUITE EASY TO CHANGE OUT. THAT'S ONE OF THE ANOTHER ADVANTAGE OF IT IS LIKE A CARPET SQUARE. IF YOU DAMAGE ONE YOU ONLY HAVE TO CHANGE THE ONE. SO IT'S MADE TO BE EASIER TO CHANGE THINGS OUT. BUT THERE IS A COST. AND NOW THAT I'M LEARNING THAT MATCHING THE COLOR OR GETTING IN THE SAME BALLPARK, THEY MAY NOT WEATHER THE SAME. AND SO WE MAY STILL ALWAYS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENTIAL. AND SO I GUESS I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS BEFORE WE EITHER, YOU KNOW, MAKE A DECISION OR CLOSE THE BOOKS. KNOWING THAT THIS THIS NEEDS TO LAST FOR QUITE SOME TIME. COUNSELOR, DO YOU HAVE. I, I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO JUMP ON YOU. ON TO YOU. IF YOU'RE THINKING SOMETHING. I BET YOU. WELL, I'LL THROW MY THOUGHT OUT THEN. AND THAT IS. I THINK IT'S TOO STARK TO THE WIFE. AND THAT SO. BUT I WISH WE COULD SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE MAGIC, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SOMEHOW PHOTOSHOP THAT TO SHOW WHAT THE DIFFERENT COLOR WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE OTHER COLORS. AND PHYSICALLY, WE COULD GO OUT TO THE SITE WITH THE, WITH THE CORRECT SAMPLE AND SAY, HEY, HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THIS? LIKE, WE COULD DO THAT. I MEAN, PHOTOSHOP IS ONLY GOING TO TAKE YOU SO FAR, AND I'D LOVE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE. AND THEN YOU DO IT AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, BUT IT'S STILL A SHADE OFF. SO HAVING THE PHYSICAL SAMPLES, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SAMPLES, I SAID THAT IT FADES. I THINK THAT REALLY IT'S PROBABLY DUST THAT'S COLLECTED ON THERE. AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT STARTS TO FADE IT A LITTLE BIT AND PROBABLY ALSO GETTING USED TO IT. OKAY. SO. I, I REALLY, REALLY LIKE IT. LIKE THAT'S, I REALLY LIKE IT BECAUSE OF THE EXACT THING. IT'S A NOD TO IT, BUT IT DOESN'T TRY AND MATCH IT. IT'S AN ELEVATOR. SO THAT'S LIKE THE NEW TECHNOLOGY PART OF IT THAT I FEEL LIKE IS, OH YEAH, HERE'S NEW VERSUS OLD.
I LOVE THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE WINDOWS HAVE THAT EXACT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT THE EXACT GRID PATTERN THAT YOU PUT THAT IN THERE. SO YOU CAN SEE LIKE SO THERE'S LIKE ALL OF THOSE PIECES THAT IT'S LIKE NOT EXACT, BUT SO AS A DESIGN. AND I WAS CONCERNED THAT WHEN IT WAS COMING ACROSS LIKE, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO NOT MAKE THAT LOOK STRIPED DOWN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ELEVATOR. AND THEN YOU JUST PUT A SOLID AND IT WAS LIKE, OH, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. LIKE THERE WERE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT AS IT WAS GOING UP THAT IT WAS LIKE, I REALLY LIKE THAT. I HAVE THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE THE WHITE WAS IN A PATTERN FORM, THAT IT WOULD COLLECT DUST, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LOOK AT NOTRE DAME AND IT'S LIKE, OH, THIS BUILDING WAS WHITE AT ONE POINT. SO I DO THINK IT WOULD COLLECT DUST, BUT I AM I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT STARKNESS PIECE. AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE FOR ME, IT'S LIKE I WOULDN'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY TO REPLACE ANY OF THE TILES OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF THERE WAS COMPROMISE THAT SOMEONE REALLY HATED IT, I'D BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THE BAND AND THE BAND IF THAT WAS SOMETHING. BUT I'D ALSO BE WILLING TO SAY, LET'S LET IT WEATHER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND IF IT IF IT NEVER DOES WEATHER AND IT'S ALWAYS THAT STARK, THEN THEN MAYBE THAT'S A TIME TO CHANGE THINGS UP. SO THAT'S AND WE DO
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THINK THERE'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH WINDOW TO GET IT HERE, WHICH MEANS THE INSTALLATION, THE INSTALLATION, LUCKILY FOR THE BAND, PROBABLY WOULDN'T TAKE MUCH MORE THAN A DAY OR TWO.DEPENDING ON THE AVAILABILITY OF A CREW. BUT BUT WE WANT TO GET IT DONE. IF WE WERE GOING TO DO IT ASAP, IT WOULD MEAN ORDERING NOW SO THAT IT COULD BE HERE BEFORE WINTER INSTALLATION.
WHILE THE WEATHER WAS STILL DECENT FOR THAT KIND OF WORK IN THE MID FALL, BUT AGAIN, JUST ABOUT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. SO ANOTHER THING WOULD BE TO WAIT. ALTHOUGH WAITING SOMETIMES FAMILIARITY JUST TAKES IT OFF OR NOT FAMILIARITY. BUT SORRY, THAT'S THE WORD EXPEDIENCY WILL TAKE IT OFF THE PLATE IN THE FUTURE. CONCERN. MY QUESTION IS YEAH, I'M FINE, BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DIRT AND GRIME IN THE IN THE DETAIL IN THE WHITE STRIP, LIKE THESE ARE PRACTICALLY NO. SORRY. OH. FOR THE. YEAH. YEAH. OH. SHOULD WE BE WORKING ON A PLAN TO GET THAT RESTORED? A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN THAT WE GO TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK FOR. LIKE, IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A UNIQUE FEATURE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S SO FUN. YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE SOME TIME AND WORK ON IT. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION THAN THIS, BUT IT WOULD HELP IF IT IS WHITER, IF BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE ODD. SO IF IT WAS WHITER AT SOME POINT, THAT WOULD CORRELATE BETTER. YEAH, DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT QUESTION, BUT I HONESTLY I'D BE REALLY CURIOUS, LIKE HOW WHAT COLOR IT IS AFTER SOMEBODY IF SOMEBODY WENT AND DID LIKE A SAMPLE AREA, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN EXPLORATORY THING WITH THE RIGHT MATERIALS SO THAT IT DOESN'T DO ANY HARM EITHER. I'M THE TOTALLY WRONG PERSON TO LOOK AT COLOR, BUT I THINK IT'S THE STARK WHITE THAT GETS ME COMPARED TO THE REST OF IT, BECAUSE I SEE HOW IT FITS IN WITH THE COLOR OF THE WALL AND WHY YOU CHOSE ALL THAT. AND IT'S JUST BOOM, THAT SEEMS ODD.
THAT'S WHY I WISH I COULD SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. REPLAY. YEAH. AND THE GRAY IS I MEAN, THIS IS KIND OF A GRAY. SO NOT THAT THIS IS GOING TO MAKE A HUGE IMPACT, BUT IF I START TO HOLD IT UP TO THIS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE DARKER. THIS IS DEFINITELY KIND OF A MOTTLED LIKE THERE'S SOME YELLOWS IN IT, SOME SOME KIND OF TANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO THIS IS THIS WOULD BE VERY CLOSE. IT'S MORE LIKE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE ELEVATOR WITH THE GRAY BRICKS THAT ARE IN IT OR THE GRAY. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.
IT'S REALLY CLOSE. YEAH. THIS ONE IS THE ONE THAT IS USED HERE. BUT ISN'T THERE A LIGHTER ONE? OH, I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S THE ONE. THAT'S THAT WAS THE TRUE ONE. IS THAT THE ONE THAT WAS. OH, YEAH. THAT'S WHERE THE REALLY WEIRD IN THE ROOM. YEAH. AND SEEING IT IN PERSON ON THE BUILDING IS DIFFERENT THAN. AND I COULD GO OUT AND TAKE A PICTURE AND SEND IT TO PAM WITH THESE AND THE OTHER. THE OTHER NOTE ABOUT THIS GRAY IS THAT ALONG THE CURRENT BAND, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED. THEY'RE LIKE LITTLE GRAIN KNOW NOTES IN THE TERRACOTTA. YEAH. YOU CAN'T SEE. YOU PROBABLY CAN ACTUALLY IN THE CORNERS HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM, BUT YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A NAIL HEAD KIND OF THING THAT'S IN EACH OF THESE CORNERS. AND SO THOSE WILL SHOW UP TO SOME EXTENT. BUT THEY'RE ALL COLOR MATCHED FOR WHATEVER APPLICATION. SO AND YOU SHOULD HAVE A STOCK OF THOSE AS WELL. THAT MATCH. SO, SO IF WE PICKED A DIFFERENT COLOR IT WOULD COME WITH THE NAILS. AND SO AS I'M LOOKING JUST AT THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, HOW IS THAT GOING TO MAKE THE WINDOW LOOK. NOW YOU GOT A STARK WHITE ON THE WINDOW.
YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S AN ALUMINUM FINISH. AND SO LIKE YOU START TO CHANGE THAT OUT THE ALUMINUM WOULD POP A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE RIGHT NOW. IT ACTUALLY PROBABLY IT HASN'T ACTUALLY BEEN BROUGHT UP. WELL YEAH. AS I'M LOOKING AT IT NOW IT'LL BE BECAUSE IT'LL BE MORE OF THE THING THAT IS THE CONTRAST. YEAH. SO THAT LOOKS GOOD RIGHT THERE WITHOUT THE. YEAH. LIKE IT'S LIKE OH IF YOU DON'T SEE THE IF YOU DON'T SEE THE OLDER PART OF THE BUILDING, THIS LOOKS LIKE A METAL ACTUALLY ISN'T THAT FAR FROM EITHER ONE OF THESE COLORS. SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE SUN SHINING I SUPPOSE. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THE DECISION NOW IS NOT TO DO ANYTHING OR WAIT AND SEE OR. NO, LET'S GO AHEAD AND WORK ON REPLACEMENT OR
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NOTHING. I MEAN, I JUST, I THIS IS OUR TIME TO CONSIDER IT AND TO PULL A TRIGGER IF IT. I'D LIKE TO CHANGE IT TO A DARKER COLOR. THAT'S THAT'S TRUE. THE ONE THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN IS FINE.YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH I THINK IT'S I JUST THINK IT STANDS OUT TOO MUCH. YEAH.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE KNOW WE CAN WE CAN TAKE SOME PICTURES. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PROCEED DOWN THAT ROUTE, WE CAN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET YOU SOME INFORMATION. THAT'S TWO. AND THEN COUNCILOR BURTENSHAW, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE. I WOULD I WOULD LEAVE IT. I WOULD LEAVE IT FOR TIME AND SEE WHAT CHANGES OVER TIME. BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT, I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND GO TO THE PRESS. I MIGHT LIKE IT. IT'S NOT THE HILL I'M DYING ON WAITING YET. I'M NOT THE I AGREE THAT YOU DON'T. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW YOU DON'T TRY TO MATCH. WE'VE NOT DONE THAT. WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, THE BANDING DIDN'T POP FOR ME. I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO THE IDEA. IT'LL IT'LL DIMINISH IN COLOR. I'M NOT SURE I'M BUYING THAT IT'S GOING TO EVER GET ANYWHERE NEAR THE OUTER DEPTHS. MAYBE IT TO BE HERE OR THERE LOOKING AT THOSE, THE OTHER ONE YOU PRESENTED TO DO FOR THE BANDING WAS WAS DARKER THAN I EXPECTED. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO ENVISION, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE. CERTAINLY WHAT WE TRYING TO MATCH. SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HEARTBURN WITH THE BRIGHT WHITE, BUT IF I WOULD NOT AT ALL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO. THIS IS REALLY THE CUTTING IN IT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY MORE THAN ABOUT 20FT AWAY I'LL EVER SEE IT. YEAH, NO, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T COST A WHOLE LOT MORE.
SO IF SOMEBODY LIKES IT, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK FROM ANY DISTANCE BACK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUS. AND IN FACT, I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE. HAD YOU EVER NOTICED THAT THOSE WERE LIKE THAT BEFORE? YEAH, EXACTLY. SOMEBODY TOLD YOU IF THAT'S A BIG PRICE, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF ITS PUSH, AND I AGREE, I DON'T I WOULD QUESTION ARCHITECTURALLY, IS THERE A REASON TO KIND OF BREAK UP THE FLOW OF THE OTHER COLORS WITH THE BRIGHTER WHITE, BUT IS THERE A REASON BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE? NO, NO, WE WERE WE WERE DEFINITELY JUST TRYING TO MATCH THE BANDING THAT WAS THAT WAS GOING ON THERE.
YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WERE KIND OF BUILT AROUND THAT TIME, ESPECIALLY LIKE AS YOU START TO STEP INTO KIND OF THESE. I GUESS, GREEK OR LIKE THAT, IT'S KIND OF REMINISCENT OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? THAT WERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IT DOES HAVE LIKE THAT KIND OF PATTERNING TO IT, BUT A MODERN, A MODERN VERSION OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT REALLY WE WANT TO MATCH THAT BANDING AND TRY TO TIE THAT TOGETHER. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL RECORD. YEAH I LIKE THE DARKER COLOR. AS OPPOSED TO THE WHITE. ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT'S. A WAIT A I'M NOT SURE IF I LIKE THE CUT THAT I'M NOT SURE IF I AGREE THAT IT'LL MATCH WELL BUT I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE. AND THEN THREE WHO SAY THE DARKNESS MAY BE AN ISSUE. SO THAT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE SHOULD TRY TO PROCEED, ALTHOUGH HOW CAN WE PROCEED SLOWLY SO THAT WE'RE NOT ORDERING THE WRONG COLOR? YEAH.
SO WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD GO OUT WITH THE SAMPLES AND TAKE PICTURES, AND I COULD SEND THOSE TO PAM, AND SHE CAN GET THOSE OVER TO EVERYBODY AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE OPTIONS. WE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE FITS THE BEST, BUT WE WANT TO CONFIRM WITH THE COUNCIL, OKAY. AND THEN WE WOULD HOLD UNTIL WE GET A RESPONSE FROM THAT. OKAY. AND THEN THE I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE CUTTING WILL ADD SOMETHING TO THE COST. IT ACTUALLY WON'T. IT'S CUT IN A LIKE WHERE IT'S CUT IS IT'S A, IT'S GOING TO A THIRD PARTY TO CUT IT ANYWAY. SO THEY'RE USING LIKE A CNC TYPE ROUTER TO GET THE PERFECT LINES. AND SO WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT'LL CUT STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THEN IT'LL JUST MAKE THOSE PATTERNS IN IT. AND SO AND THEN THE CONNECTIONS ARE THE EXACT SAME.
SO YOU'RE JUST GETTING FOUR. THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME BENEFIT IN POTENTIALLY DOING THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO GO INTO THE SAME HOLES THAT ARE IS IN THE RAILING BEHIND IT. AND SO IT ACTUALLY MIGHT PREVENT SOME POTENTIAL ISSUES IF WE WERE TRYING TO USE THOSE SAME HOLES.
THOSE ARE. I WANT TO SAY GROMMET, BUT THAT'S THE WRONG WORD. BUT THE IS IT A MALL THAT GOES IN THE WALL? NO, WE DON'T WANT TO USE THE SAME HOLES. AND SO WE WOULD END UP GETTING SOME BENEFIT OUT OF DOING THAT. BUT WE CAN ALSO JUST MISPLACE OR DISPLACE WHERE WE'RE LIKE FLIP
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HOW IT'S GOING ON. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD MATTER ONE WAY OR IF THERE'S NO EXPRESS OPINION ON THE PART OF THE COUNCIL THAT PERHAPS WILL GO WITH THE OPTION THAT IS MOST CONVENIENT FOR ORDERING AND INSTALLING. YES, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT OTHER COLOR, BECAUSE IF IT'S IF IT'S A LITTLE DARKER THAN WHAT IS NATURALLY THERE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT MIGHT LOOK FINE BECAUSE THE WHOLE GOAL IS TO CREATE THE BANDING. LOOK, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MATCH WHAT'S THERE. SO INSTEAD OF GOING A LITTLE BRIGHTER, IF WE WENT A LITTLE DARKER THAN WHAT'S THERE, MAYBE THAT WORKS, I DON'T KNOW. SO OKAY, I'D BE INTERESTED IN HOW IT LOOKED. SO WE'LL WAIT TO SEE THE PICTURES AND THEN AND IN THE MEANTIME, THAT'S AS FAR AS WE CAN GO. BUT PAM. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I WILL NEED SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION FROM STAFF BECAUSE WE ARE ACTUALLY AT THE LIMIT OF MY OF THE CONTRACT WITH RESIN. SO IN ORDER TO DO THIS ADDITIONAL RESEARCH AND POTENTIALLY. PROVIDING SOME OPTIONS, I'M GOING TO NEED A LITTLE MORE ROOM ON THE CONTRACT BECAUSE I'M ALREADY I'M ALREADY AT THE LEVEL THAT I WAS AUTHORIZED. IF YOU RECALL, I DID GO BACK TO COUNCIL AND GET A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $10,000. WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO. WE ONLY HAVE LIKE A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS LEFT ON THIS CONTRACT. SO IF I COULD GET SOME DIRECTION OR AUTHORIZATION TO WORK UP A PROPOSAL WITH RESIN AND HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, THANK YOU. THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION. DO YOU WANT TO. YES. OKAY. HOW WOULD YOU SAY IT? PROPOSAL THAT WORK PROPOSAL. AND THEN WE'LL PROVE IT. I WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS, BUT IT COULD BE NOT TO EXCEED. YEAH.LIKE, DO WE SAY NOT TO EXCEED 2500 THOUGH. THEN THE ORDERING IS BETTER. YEAH. WE'RE ESTIMATING BETWEEN 5 AND 7000 FOR THE PROJECT. THE ARCHITECT FEE IT DOES. IT DOES INCLUDE THE ARCHITECT FEE. YES. OKAY. SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT WE RECEIVE BACK AT THE END OF FEBRUARY. I WOULD MOVE COUNCIL APPROVE AUTHORIZATION UP TO $7,500. TO EXPLORE CHANGE OUT OF THE BAND COLOR TILES. THAT'S NOT A COMMITMENT TO DO IT, BUT IT ALLOWS YOU THAT FLEXIBILITY. IS THAT OR TO BEGIN THE PROCESS SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL ALONG THE WAY, IS THAT. SO? MOTION. YES. SECOND. OKAY. CITY CLERK, DO YOU FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT HOW TO WHAT'S BEEN SOUGHT, WHAT'S BEING SOUGHT HERE. YEAH, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THOUGH. SO ARE YOU SAYING IT THAT THEY'LL HAVE PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS LONG AS THE PROPOSAL STAYS UNDER THE 7500? NO PERMISSION TO SHOW US WHAT THE COLOR LOOKS LIKE AND TO BE AUTHORIZED TO SPEND THAT. IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THE CHANGE IN COLOR. BUT IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC. OKAY. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. RIGHT. OKAY. GO OUT AND ORDER IT. YEAH. OKAY. YEP, I GOT IT. OKAY. THEN CAN YOU PLEASE CONDUCT THE VOTE? BRADFORD FRANCIS I BURTONSHAW.
YES. LARSON. YES. FREEMAN. YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT WAS SAID HERE TO CONVEY ANYTHING OTHER THAN GRATITUDE FOR THE THAT I. THIS IS GROWING ON ME DAY BY DAY. I LOOK AT IT AND I LOOK OVER AND I JUST FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THE MATERIALS AND THE MODEL. THE COLOR IS STARTING TO REALLY GROW ON ME, SO I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T INTERPRET ANY OF THIS AS CRITICISM. IT'S MORE I DON'T KNOW. AND IT HELPED THAT YOU EXPLAINED IT TODAY. YEAH. WHY IT WAS GOOD FOR US TO HAVE AND HOW THE COLORS WERE CHOSEN. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO EVERYBODY HAS ANY CONCERNS ABOUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH A RIBBON CUTTING TO CELEBRATE THE ACCESSIBILITY PIECE. NO. IT'S KIND OF NICE THAT WE WAITED A LITTLE BIT FOR THE WEATHER TO TURN SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO COME TO ANYTHING IN BAD WEATHER. SO THIS MIGHT WORK OUT REALLY WELL FOR US. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU ALL RIGHT. THAT THE NEXT ITEM ON
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LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GONE INTO THIS NEXT STUDY OF OURS. AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN SET THE STAGE CORRECTLY SO THAT YOU CAN BE LISTENING FOR WHAT WHAT WE NEED TO COME OUT OF THIS, THE TIME FRAME. AND, PAM, ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THE TIME FRAME SOMEWHAT THAT WHEN WE GET THERE, I SURE CAN OKAY. THE TIME FRAME ROUGHLY WITHOUT THE DETAILS THAT PAM CAN PROVIDE, HAS US MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS STUDY SO THAT YOU WILL HAVE SOME ENOUGH INFORMATION IN MAY, I BELIEVE, TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT A VOTE AND ADOPT FEES BY JUNE 1ST, IN ORDER OCTOBER 1ST. WELL, THEY WOULD BE THEY WOULD BE ACTIVE OCTOBER 1ST. BUT WE WOULD, I THINK, PUT THEM IN OUR FEE RESOLUTION. WE WOULD HAVE THEM BEFORE THEN. AND SO THEY WOULD BE ADOPTED. AT LEAST THIS IS WHAT MARGARET SAID. ADOPTED BY JUNE 1ST TO BECOME EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST. AND IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THE CONSULTANT NEEDS TO HAVE GUIDANCE OR DIRECTION ON METHODOLOGY. THERE'S MORE THAN ONE METHODOLOGY THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO COMING UP WITH THESE FEES. HERETOFORE, THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN BRIEFED AND THEY'VE MET WITH. ADVICE, AND THEY'VE GOT A SENSE OF WHAT DIRECTION THIS IS MOVING. THIS IS YOUR ONLY BRIEFING ON THIS, GIVEN THE TIME FRAME, THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE GETS BRIEFING POINT TWO TOMORROW OR POINT, YOU KNOW, A PART A PART B TOMORROW. AND AFTER THAT JUST NEEDS GUIDANCE. AND SO USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARDS THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THEY GIVE IT TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL ACTS ON IT. BUT IN THIS CASE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT FLIPPED. WHEREAS COUNCIL'S MEETING AND THEIR MEETING TOMORROW, YOU KNOW JUST THE COMMITTEE AND COLIN AND STAFF. AND SO WE NEED TO DECIDE TODAY. LISTEN, BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING MORE INFORMATION THAN THEY HAVE, BUT TOMORROW THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE REST OF IT AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPINION. IF THE COUNCIL CEDES ALL OF ITS AUTHORITY FOR DECIDING THE METHODOLOGY BY SAYING TODAY, HEY, I'M GOOD, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TEACHING. I'M OKAY WITH EITHER METHODOLOGY. THEN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION. BUT WE DON'T USUALLY GO THAT WAY. RIGHT? THEY THINK OF A PLANNING AND ZONING REPORT. USUALLY IT COMES TO YOU EVEN IF YOU RUBBER STAMP, SO TO SPEAK, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PUT FORWARD. THE ORDER IS STILL THAT WAY. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED THE WAY THAT WE'VE CALENDARED, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. NOW, WE COULD ADD TO THURSDAY NIGHT'S AGENDA, A MOMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION FOR YOU TO TAKE WHATEVER THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAD COME UP WITH AND FACTOR THAT IN, AND THEN MAKE YOUR OWN FINAL DETERMINATION. THE RISK OF THAT IS THAT IF YOU GO COUNTER TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, WE MAY END UP WITH ANOTHER SEASON OF OPPOSITION. ON THE OTHER HAND. YOU KNOW, I JUST I, I'VE RUN OUT OF HANDS. SO LET ME JUST SAY IT THIS WAY. WE SHOULD LISTEN TODAY AND ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT THIS IS MOVING. AND THEN WE CAN THEN I'LL ASK YOU, DO YOU WANT TO DO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TURN THIS OVER TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR DO YOU WANT TO MEET ON THURSDAY TO JUST DISCUSS IT ONE MORE TIME AND MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION? SO THINK ABOUT THAT AS YOU'RE LISTENING. AND I HOPE I HAVE IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SPOILED EVERYTHING. BUT I THINK THAT NOW THE FUN PART STARTS BECAUSE PAMELA INTRODUCED WHAT SHE'S BEEN, HOW SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS. AND THEN COLIN WILL TEACH US. OKAY. SURE. OKAY. THANKS, BEN. SURE. AND DID YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THE TIMELINE THAT YOU CAN DO THAT NOW OR AFTER, WHENEVER YOU THINK IT'S NATURAL? WELL, I, I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. I, I APOLOGIZE THAT I WAS INTERRUPTED. I JUST LET ED KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE SPEAKERS IN HERE. SO THAT KIND OF KIND OF GOT ME OFF A LITTLE BIT. SO IF I COULD JUST RATTLE THROUGH REAL QUICKLY, THE PLAN THAT OUR CHIEF OF STAFF AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAVE BEEN WORKING UNDER, AND THAT IS WE HAD OUR REGULAR MEETING WITH THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE ON APRIL 1ST. WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING TODAY, APRIL 14TH. TOMORROW WE HAVE AN IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH THE STUDY UPDATE WITH COLIN PRESENT IN PERSON. WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST PART OF MAY, THE WEEK OF THE MAY WEEK OF MAY 5TH,[00:40:05]
SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE A IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, AS WELL AS A POTENTIAL MAY 5TH CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON THE STUDY, AS WELL AS ORDINANCES, INCLUDING ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PULLING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MAKING ANY AMENDMENTS TO THAT ACTUALLY IN THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S OUR CHIEF OF STAFF'S WORKING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST PART OF MAY THEN POTENTIALLY HAVING A MAY 6TH P AND Z MEETING WHERE COLIN WILL BE PRESENTING VIRTUALLY. AT THAT MEETING. WE HAD A MEETING ON FRIDAY AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY OUR ASSISTANT CDS DIRECTOR THAT WE PUSH THAT DATE OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT AND THEN PUSH THE MAY 6TH DATE OUT FURTHER, PUSH THE MAY 6TH DATE OUT OR FURTHER SO I CAN GET YOU THAT DATE. AND THEN ALSO MAY MAY 7TH THROUGH EARLY JUNE. THERE'LL BE OUTREACH TO THE DEVELOPERS REGARDING THE UPDATED STUDY AND THE ORDINANCE.THEN ON JUNE 26TH, WE WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPROVAL OF THE IMPACT FEE STUDY AND THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW IMPACT FEES AND THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE WOULD BE OCTOBER 1ST. THAT WAS THE TIMELINE THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING. BUT AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR CONSULTANT ON FRIDAY WITH OUR ASSISTANT CVS DIRECTOR, AND HE'S ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING THAT WE PUSH THAT OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL OUTREACH WITH THE DEVELOPERS. SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS ACTUALLY MOVING THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION TO MAY 19TH OR JUNE 2ND, GOING TO THE JUNE 3RD PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, AND THEN HAVING MAY 7TH THROUGH EARLY JUNE, THE OUTREACH TO DEVELOPERS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR THE OUTREACH. KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 26TH AND KEEP THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW IMPACT FEES AND THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE AND UPDATE TO THE STUDY ON OCTOBER 1ST. AND I'M GOING TO LOOK AT OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO SEE IF HE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. DID I GET THAT? PRETTY GOOD. OH, AWESOME.
THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I WAS OFF BY THE JUNE 1ST. IT WASN'T JUNE 1ST. IT WAS IN JUNE, WHICH MEANS NOW JUNE 26TH. BUT THAT WAS THAT'S WHEN THE VOTE WOULD BE. BUT THAT GIVES LOTS OF TIME FOR THE WORD ACCEPTANCE BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED. WELL, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR, FOR POINTING THAT OUT, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE DID HAVE OUR FIRST ANNUAL REPORT FROM OUR IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID WAS THEY WANTED TO HAVE MORE TIME, MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION, REVIEW THE METHODOLOGY AS WELL AS OUTREACH. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR CHIEF OF STAFF IS DOING VERY WELL. BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE DID SEE THAT WE DID RECEIVE FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, AND YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE THESE SPECIFIC DATES MEMORIZED RIGHT NOW. AND DON'T FEEL FRUSTRATED THAT WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU A LIST OF ALL THE DATES.
IT'S MOSTLY THE CONCEPT OF THE ORDER THAT WE'RE PROCEEDING IN AND, AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE CREATING MORE TIME. SO IF YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR HEAD AS YOU LISTEN, HOPEFULLY YOU YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE CONTENT RATHER THAN WORRYING ABOUT OUR PROCESS. BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD AN IDEA OF THE PROCESS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. YEAH. SO COLIN AGAIN, ADVICE SOME FAMILIAR FACES. AND SO WE'RE DOING THAT SORT OF SORT OF MANDATED UPDATE BY THE STATE EVERY FIVE YEARS. OF COURSE WE'RE ON YEAR FOR RIGHT NOW. REALLY NOT BIG CHANGES TO WHAT WE DID LAST TIME. UPDATING SOME COSTS, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, RIGHT SIZING OF FEE COLLECTION. MAKE SURE WE'RE COLLECTING FOR WHAT OUR CAPITAL PLANS NEED. AND A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME EVOLUTION, LET'S SAY IN THE FEE STUDY. SUPPOSE YOU'RE YOU'RE ACTUALLY DON'T CLICK IT FOR JUST A SECOND. OH YEAH. SORRY. OKAY. GO FOR IT. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME I'VE DONE AN ABBREVIATION SLIDE. BUT YEAH, THIS WAS RECOMMENDED BY PAM. AND THIS ACTUALLY I MIGHT MIGHT TAKE THIS ON BECAUSE THIS BECAUSE IT DOES A GOOD JOB OF ACTUALLY SORT OF PUTTING OUR BRAIN IN FOCUS OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE HONING IN ON. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS THIS TERM LOSS LEVEL OF SERVICE, THIS QUANTIFYING, YOU KNOW, PAST INVESTMENTS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS MADE AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE TO DEVELOPMENT PERSONS PER HOUSING UNIT IS A VERY COMMON DEMAND FACTOR THAT WE USE FOR RESIDENTIAL IMPACT FEES. AND SO WE'RE SORT OF THINKING ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT DEMAND FROM DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TYPES.
DOES THAT CHANGE MUCH BECAUSE WE'RE IDAHO? ARE WE DIFFERENT THAN THE NORM NATIONWIDE? NO NO NO, THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD STUFF. YEAH. WELL I WOULD SAY YOUR D FAC DEVELOPMENT IMPACT
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ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THERE MAY ONLY BE TWO OTHER STATES IN THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE ABOUT 35 STATES THAT CAN COLLECT IMPACT FEES. MONTANA, IDAHO, ARIZONA HAVE THESE ADVISORY COMMITTEES, SIPS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS ALSO NEEDED WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES, BECAUSE THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING TO FUTURE GROWTH IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S SORT OF A GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT WE USE TO ENSURE THAT THE FEE COLLECTION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF IN LINE WITH, WITH THOSE SIPS. AND THEN YOUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING ANNUALLY TO LOOK OVER YOUR FINANCIALS, BUT ALSO FOR JUST FOR THE IMPACT FEES, BUT THEN ALSO THEY REVIEW THESE FIVE YEAR UPDATES. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS CAPITAL PLANS COSTS. WE ALSO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT ARE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRIES. SO WE HOPEFULLY USE THAT AS AN AVENUE TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT ADDITIONAL FEE BURDEN ON DEVELOPMENT. A LOT OF YOU IN THE ROOM, I THINK WE'RE HERE FOUR YEARS AGO. BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, IMPACT FEES ARE ONE TIME PAYMENTS. THAT NEW GROWTH PAYS TO OFFSET THEIR NEW DEMAND ON INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS NOT ON EXISTING HOMES OR EXISTING BUSINESSES. IT'S REALLY THOSE NEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE THAT HAVE MOVED IN AND ARE GENERATING MORE VEHICLE TRIPS, MORE POLICE CALLS, FIRE CALLS, MORE VISITATION TO YOUR PARKS. WE HAVE TO EXPAND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO KEEP OUR LEVELS OF SERVICE INTO THE FUTURE COLLECTED DURING WHEN THE BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED. AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THIS NEXUS STUDY THAT HITS ON THREE THINGS NEED BENEFIT AND PROPORTIONALITY. NEED IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT GROWTH, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY A GROWING COMMUNITY THAT HAS THAT SIP WITH THE GROWTH RELATED PORTION, NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SPENDING THESE DOLLARS IN A TIMELY FASHION, IDAHO SAYS EIGHT YEARS. SO WE LOOK AT THOSE SIPS, MAKE SURE WE'RE JUST NOT STOCKPILING CASH. YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ESSENTIALLY A BENEFIT TO THE FUTURE FEE PAYERS. AND THEN ALSO FOR LOOKING AT A COUNTY WIDE IMPACT FEE, YOU MAY SEE SERVICE AREAS OR BENEFIT ZONES OR, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR COLLECTED FEE COLLECTED TO THE NORTH AND SPENT IN THE NORTH. FEES COLLECTED IN THE SOUTH OR SPENT IN THE SOUTH. TYPICALLY IN A CITIES, ESPECIALLY YOUR SIZE, YOU WOULDN'T SEE CERTAIN DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS. SO REALLY SORT OF THE ASSUMPTION THERE IS ALL THE CAPITAL PLANS THAT WE'RE FUNDING WITH IMPACT FEES ARE CITYWIDE BENEFITING PROJECTS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE PROVIDING CITYWIDE BENEFIT. YOU KNOW, LARGER PARKS, BIG ARTERIAL ROADWAY NETWORK. THE ROADWAY NETWORK IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, TOO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT LIVE ON THE ROAD THAT'S BEING EXPANDED, BUT YOUR ROAD, THAT CONGESTION ON THAT ROAD IS BEING FREED UP BY A PARALLEL ROAD JUST A MILE DOWN. AND SO WE'RE REALLY THINKING CITYWIDE BENEFITING PROJECTS. AND THEN THE FEE HAS TO BE PROPORTIONATE.SO YOU SEE A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TYPES AND FEE SCHEDULE BECAUSE SINGLE FAMILY HAS A DIFFERENT DEMAND THAN MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN RETAIL, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL. SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE FEE IS PROPORTIONATE TO THAT DEMAND. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT IS PROPORTIONATE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS OF I MEAN, ALMOST EVERYONE'S MOVING INTO APARTMENTS AT THIS POINT. AND SO I DON'T SEE HOW IT COULD BE VERY DIFFERENT NOW BECAUSE ALMOST EVERYONE CAN'T AFFORD A $4,000 HOUSE PAYMENT ANY LONGER. SO THEY'RE MOVING INTO APARTMENTS AS IT'S THE SAME UNITS OF FAMILY, IT SEEMS. IS THAT BEEN CHANGED NATIONALLY IN ANY OF YOUR STUDIES? HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT MOVEMENT YET? IS IT IN THE DATA? IS THAT NOT IN THE DATA? THAT'S A GREAT POINT. SO AND THAT'S ONE OF THE SORT OF THE INPUTS THAT WE UPDATE IN THE FIVE YEARS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAD FOR THE PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD FACTOR IN 2020 OR 2021, BUT CERTAINLY THAT THAT GENERAL TREND OF, WELL, JUST KIND OF COUNTERACTING TRENDS TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SMALLER HOUSEHOLD SIZES OVER TIME. BUT THEN AS HOUSING AFFORDABILITY HAS BEEN A CONCERN FOR A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY OUT WEST, MORE FAMILIES, GROWING FAMILIES ARE GOING TO THE SMALLER UNITS. YEAH. AND THEY'RE LIVING TOGETHER WITH MULTI-GENERATIONS. EXACTLY.
YEAH. AND IMPORTANTLY, AS WE DO STILL LOOK AT SORT OF CITYWIDE AVERAGES WHEN IT COMES TO PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD. SO THOSE WILL MOVE WITH TIME, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SORT OF THESE BIG SPIKES. AND ALSO SORT OF AT THAT POINT TOO, IS, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY HAVE IDEAS IN OUR HEAD OF LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT HUGE HOME DOWN THE ROAD ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN IT WHERE THAT SMALL HOUSE NEXT TO ME HAS SIX PEOPLE IN IT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE SORT OF THAT SORT OF OUTLIERS, CHERRY PICKING SORT OF INSTANCES. SO AND ONE ON THAT TOPIC, ONE ITEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SORT OF EVOLVE THE FEE PROGRAM IS TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL FEE SCHEDULE BY
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THE SIZE OF THE HOME. SO INSTEAD OF SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS VERY TYPICAL, IT'S STILL PROPORTIONATE. AND, YOU KNOW, ACCURATE IS TO MOVE IT NOT BY HOUSING TYPE BUT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND ACTUALLY HAVING MORE BAND LIKE. I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIX SIZE GROUPINGS.SO EVERY 1000FTā S WITH LOCAL DAA WE CAN SHOW THAT THE SIZE OF THE HOME INFLUENCES HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN IT. OR BASICALLY THE FAMILY GROWS WITH THE SIZE OF THE HOME. I WONDER IF THAT WOULD HELP WITH PRICES FOR HOMES. IF IMPACT FEES ARE LOWER WITH LOWER SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU'D HAVE LOWER COST HOMES. EXACTLY. YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE SEEING THIS. WE USED TO I MEAN, BEFORE FIVE YEARS AGO, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SEE ONE OUT OF TEN COMMUNITIES THAT HAD IMPACT FEES GO THAT ROUTE. IT WAS WAY MORE COMMON IN LIKE, RESORT TOWNS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, $10 MILLION HOMES, YOU KNOW, HUGE HOMES THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER A DOESN'T MIND PAYING A HIGH IMPACT FEE. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD AFFORDABILITY CONCERNS TOO. BUT THAT IS GROWING IN SORT OF EVERYWHERE NOW. SO IT'S SORT OF ONE OUT OF THREE STUDIES WE'RE DOING NOW IS AT LEAST EXPLORING THAT OPTION. WELL, I THINK THIS IS AT THE CRUX OF ONE OF AT LEAST ONE OF THE METHODOLOGY PIECES THAT THE IMPACT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS WANTING TO WEIGH IN ON. THEY'VE BEEN INTRODUCED TO IT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY FINAL DISCUSSIONS. YEAH, YEAH. AND YOU'LL SEE, WE YEAH, WE SORT OF HAD THIS MORE HYPOTHETICAL DISCUSSION. BUT IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE HOW THE HOW THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL CHANGE HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE FEE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF OUR GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS, LOOKING AT THE PAST FIVE YEARS OF HOUSING DATA, ASSUMING THAT OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS WE HAVE A 21% GROWTH RATE OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, 6200 TOTAL HOMES, WHAT IS THAT IN THE 3/5 SINGLE FAMILY, BUT BUT STILL QUITE A BIT OF MULTIFAMILY BEING DEVELOPED. 15,000 MORE RESIDENTS. INTERESTING ENOUGH IS WE ASSUMED A 14% INCREASE LAST TIME WE DID THIS. AND SO WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING THE GROWTH RATE. AND THAT IS INFLUENCED BY THE GROWTH THAT HAS OCCURRED UNDER YOUR IMPACT FEE PROGRAM. SO YOU ACTUALLY ACCELERATED OUR GROWTH EVEN WITH THESE ADDITIONAL FEES. SO YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE DO SEE A LOT IS IMPACT FEES. ACTUALLY NOT YOU KNOW, BEING A GROWTH MANAGEMENT TOOL, IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T INFLUENCE TOO MUCH ON HOW PEOPLE BUILD ESPECIALLY. YEAH. ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, USING THE SAME RESOURCE THAT WE DID BEFORE BONNEVILLE MPO, THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PROJECTING OUT JOBS. AND SO THAT'S A 22% INCREASE OVER TEN YEARS. AGAIN, THIS IS ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE DID BEFORE WHICH WAS 16.
SO THAT'S GOING FROM 56,000 JOBS TO 70,000 JOBS. AND I'M REALLY SORT OF SORT OF HONING IN ON THAT. IDAHO FALLS, THAT BIG EMPLOYMENT CENTER FOR EASTERN IDAHO. AND NOW HERE'S THAT FIGURE FOR NUMBER OF PEOPLE, PERSON FOR HOUSING UNIT BY THE SIZE OF THE HOME. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT. AND SO WE'VE BROKEN THIS INTO SIZE GROUPINGS WITH 1000FTā !S SMALLEST AT HOMES HAVE ABOUT YOU KNOW, JUST JUST AT ONE PERSON PER UNIT. LARGEST OF HOMES HAVE FOUR PEOPLE PER UNIT. AND AGAIN THE FEE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROUTE WOULD BE PROPORTIONATE TO THAT DEMAND. SO YOU'RE ULTIMATELY SEE YOUR, YOU KNOW, 6500 SQUARE FOOT HOME BEING CHARGED FOR A TIMES THE FEE OF THOSE HOMES THAT ARE LESS THAN 1000FTā S. AND YOU'RE SEEING FOR SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY WHERE THAT STANDS AS WELL. SO 2.76 FOR THAT AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND LESS THAN TWO PEOPLE A MONTH. BUT WE'LL ACTUALLY SORT OF PUT DOLLAR SIGNS TO THIS A LITTLE BIT. DIDN'T WANT TO SORT OF GO THROUGH A TON OF THE SORT OF NUTS AND BOLTS, BUT BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF, OF THE METHODOLOGY AND, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY SIMILAR OR CONSISTENT, I WOULD SAY WITH WHAT WE DID LAST TIME, AND IT'S CALLED INCREMENTAL EXPANSION APPROACH, WHERE WE'RE SORT OF ASKING THE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED TODAY? WHAT IS THE COST TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE? LOOKING AT YOUR CIP, AND WAS THE DEMAND BY DEVELOPMENT TYPE FOR THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE? AND SO WE SORT OF EVALUATE THOSE THREE QUESTIONS, COMBINE THEM ALL TO GET A MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE AMOUNT. I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT MAXIMUM. AND WE CAN ADOPT LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM. WE JUST CAN'T GO ABOVE WHAT THE STUDY SUPPORTS. AND IMPORTANTLY, UNDER THIS APPROACH, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT EVERY NEW
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HOME THAT COMES IN, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THEM A FEE THAT WILL KEEP OUR CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICE THE SAME, AND THAT WILL INCREMENTALLY EXPAND OUR OUR ROAD NETWORK, OUR FIRE STATIONS, OUR PARKS TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TEN YEARS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO TODAY'S RESIDENTS WOULD BE THE SAME AS WE GROW. OKAY. YEAH, SURE. OKAY. SO IN THE METHODOLOGY, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD MORE PEOPLE AND WE'VE COLLECTED IMPACT FEES, BUT WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANY MORE MONEY RIGHT ON IMPACT FEES. AND NOW WE HAVE COMPLETED HERITAGE NOT COMPLETED HERITAGE PARK. BUT IT IS MORE. IT IS A MORE COMPLETE PARK, RIGHT? WE'VE DONE SOME TRAILS, WE'VE DONE THE DOG PARK, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE SOME OF THE ROADS THAT WE INTENDED TO DO. HOW DOES ALL OF THAT WORK INTO THIS? WELL, THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE COLLECTING BUT NOT SPENDING THE DOLLARS BUT GROWING, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THAT POINT TO YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, YOU'RE GETTING FURTHER BEHIND. YEAH. LIKE YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARK ACRES AS YOU DID FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT 15,000, 10,000 MORE RESIDENTS. AND SO THAT PARK ACRES PER THOUSAND HAS GONE DOWN. I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER ON ME. INTERESTING ENOUGH, THOUGH, DURING THOSE FOUR YEARS WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INFLATION AS WELL. AND SO WE ACTUALLY STILL SEE FEES GOING UP. BECAUSE IF YOU'VE DOUBLED YOUR COST, YOU KNOW, YOUR LEVEL HASN'T GONE DOWN THAT MUCH. BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE SEEING A DROP IN LEVELS OF SERVICE. BUT AN INCREASE IN COST. YEAH. YEAH. BUT THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE LIKE CAPITAL PLANS, YOU'RE NOT ABLE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY NEW PARKS EVERY YEAR. AND SO IT IS A LITTLE LUMPY. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL THAT, YOU KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE A BALANCE LIKE YOU DO NOW. YOU'LL SEE A SORT OF HIGHLIGHTED THIS IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES IS THAT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE IMPACT FEES, WE WANT TO ONLY BE SOLVING FOR THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED FOR. SO IF WE SEE A CIP THAT'S $10 MILLION, BUT WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED 2 MILLION THAT'S IN THE BANK, THEN WE HAVE TO REDUCE BY 20% THE IMPACT BE TO ONLY COVER THE REMAINING 8 MILLION. SO THAT'S THAT IS ANOTHER FACTOR. INFLUENCE OF WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY NOT SEEING DECREASES IN FEE BUT BUT REDUCTIONS IN THE MAXIMUM. WELL JUST FOR MY OWN CLARITY THEN THE BASELINE FOR LEVEL OF SERVICES SHIFTS TO 2025. YES. YEAH. THE PROCESS TO AND THIS IS THE SAME THAT I'VE SORT OF HIGHLIGHTED THIS FOR PARKS. BUT THIS IS THE SAME FOR ALL THE OTHER CATEGORIES. WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS INCREMENTAL EXPANSION APPROACHES WE CALCULATE THAT CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THEN ADD MULTIPLY THAT TO YOUR GROWTH OVER TEN YEARS TO GET A GROWTH RELATED NEED. AND SO WE SAY HEY YOUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS X. YOU HAVE TO GROW BY Y. WE NEED TO SEE A CIP OF 20 ACRES OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CIP THAT MEETS THAT, WE HAVE TO DO ONE OF TWO THINGS. WE EITHER HAVE TO INCREASE OUR CIP OR REDUCE THE FEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COLLECTING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ONLY COLLECTING FOR THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO INTO THE FUTURE. AFTER WE SORT OF SORT OF GET THROUGH THAT HUMP, LOOK AT THE COST FACTORS.AND SO THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE CIP TO UNDERSTAND LOCAL COST, TO PURCHASE LAND AND BUILD ROADS AND BUILD A FIRE STATION, BRING IN SORT OF THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE INTO DOLLARS, AND THEN APPLY THAT TO THOSE DEMAND FACTORS TO GET THAT 80. SOME CHANGES CONCERNING PARKS IS, I GUESS, MORE NOTABLY, IS REMOVING OUT NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND INDOOR REC CENTERS FROM FUTURE PARK IMPACT FEE COLLECTION. YOU DO HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN YOUR TEN YEAR CIP, AND WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED ENOUGH DOLLARS TO SORT OF SATISFY THAT, BECAUSE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS WE'VE BEEN WE'VE WE HAVE BEEN COLLECTING FOR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS OR AT LEAST WHAT WE'RE EXPLORING IS, YOU KNOW, SETTING ASIDE DOLLARS FOR THAT ONE SMALLER CIP NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, BUT THEN NOT COLLECTING FOR FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SORT OF PROJECTS IN THE HOPPER TO JUSTIFY COLLECTING FOR. AND THEN KIND OF SIMILARLY IS INDOOR REC CENTER. THERE IS A BIG PROJECT MAYBE ON THE HORIZON THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO COLLECT IMPACT FEES FOR, BUT IT'S SUCH A LARGE NUMBER THAT WORKING WITH PJ'S IS WE'RE JUST NOT COMFORTABLE. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT THE FULL AMOUNT IS GOING TO COME FROM. AND WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, 100,000 SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, AQUATIC INDOOR REC CENTER. THAT WOULD BE IN THE $50 MILLION RANGE. SO THEORETICALLY, WE COULD COLLECT IMPACT FEES FOR
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A SMALL PORTION OF THAT. BUT YOU WOULD NEED A LARGER OTHER REVENUES WHICH WHICH MAY BE COMING. AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO OVERCOMMIT OURSELVES. AND WE HAVE ALREADY COLLECTED SOME DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, TO THE TUNE OF I THINK IT'S LIKE $400,000 FOR AN INDOOR REC CENTER. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS USING THAT TOWARDS YOUR ENGINEERING AND PLANNING ELEMENTS FOR THAT LARGER INDOOR REC CENTER, BUT SORT OF DISCONTINUING THAT PORTION OF YOUR PARKING PAD FEE.YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS THOUGH. OR CAN WE AMEND THIS IF WE DO, IF THAT IF A PLAN EMERGES, CAN WE JUST ADD THAT OR HOW DO WE. YEAH YEAH, YEAH. LIKE IN THREE YEARS, IF WE'RE SORT OF HAVING A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE THIS IS GOING AND IN COST, THEN YEAH, JUST GIVE ME A CALL. I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE UPDATE, BUT YEAH. AND THE TOUGH THING THERE TOO IS AT THE MOMENT WE DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD SENSE OF COST THAT, THAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR, OR COSTS THAT WOULD FALL ON THE BURDEN OF THE CITY NECESSARILY. AND SO, SO I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A TREND HERE, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKING MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, BUT STILL IMPORTANTLY, COLLECTING FOR COMMUNITY PARK LAND PURCHASE AND IMPROVEMENTS OF THOSE PARKS AND THEN JUST COLLECTING TO IMPROVE YOUR CIVIC PARKS. SO YOUR PARKS ESSENTIALLY ALONG THE RIVER THERE. SO THE COMMUNITY PARKS DID I MISUNDERSTAND? WE ARE GOING WE YOU SAID WE HAD DONE ONE. AND GOING FORWARD WE'LL CONTINUE. YES. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S A THERE'S A VERY HEALTHY COMMUNITY PARK CIP. AND SO JUST CONTINUING THAT LIKE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONTINUE TO WE CAN USE THE 400,000 OF INDOOR REC TOWARDS THE PLAN. BUT WE COULD ALSO MAKE AN ADDITION TO ANY OF OUR CURRENT FACILITIES. ANY I MEAN, INDOOR REC SPACE TO THE TUNE OF 400,000 TO SPEND THAT DOWN. DOES IT HAVE TO BE IT HAS TO BE IN THE CIP. NOT THIS. LIKE I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT. YEAH. AT THE MOMENT I HAVE IT AS LOOKING AT THAT LARGE FUTURE PROJECT, FUTURE FUTURE FACILITY. BUT YEAH, WE WANT TO IMPROVE OUR EXISTING REC CENTERS. WE COULD WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL. RIGHT NOW. WE'D HAVE TO ADD IT TO WE'D HAVE TO SORT OF ADJUST THE CIP, WHICH COULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME OR DURING A MORE SORT OF MORE, YOU KNOW, BUDGET ANNUAL UPDATE TO YOUR CIP. AND THERE'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT'S $440,000. DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THOUGH, THAT EXPAND IS DIFFERENT THAN WE JUST PUT IN A NEW FLOOR? THAT'S MAINTENANCE RIGHT. AND THAT ISN'T. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'D BE A GOOD TEST IS ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE. RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW AND TODAY'S COST YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO MUCH LIKE THE EXERCISE AREA. THEY ARE EXPANDING THAT. SO MAYBE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE IT'S MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDING GOING TO. SO QUESTION. YOU CAN'T AMEND YOUR STUDY AND CHANGE YOUR FEES OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR EVERY FIVE YEAR UPDATE. RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. BUT YOU CAN UPDATE YOUR CIPS, ALTHOUGH THAT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE FEE LEVEL ITSELF. YEAH. MORE IMPORTANTLY IS WHAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO IS TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE OVER TIME. AND YOU'RE SEEING FEES CAN EVOLVE OVER OVER TIME. AS LONG AS YOU'RE STILL COMMITTED TO THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH REC CENTERS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE RIGHT NOW, IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT DOLLAR INTO ONE BUCKET OVER HERE, IF THAT CHANGES, BUT WE'RE STILL ADDRESSING AN INDOOR REC CENTER EXPANSION WITH THOSE DOLLARS, THEN YOU'RE THEN YOU'RE FINE. IT'S STILL YOU STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT THAT BENEFIT THOUGH. BUT IF WE WERE TO SAY TO BEFORE THE STUDY IS COMPLETE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A $50 MILLION FACILITY OR AN $80 MILLION FACILITY, AND IT WAS IN THE PLAN THAT WOULD DRASTICALLY CHANGE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? YES. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE THING TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, AS WE SORT OF HAVE UPDATED THE STUDY, IS WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE COGNIZANT OF WHERE THE FINAL FEE ENDS UP.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHERE WE END UP IN MORE ORGANICALLY ADDRESS THE FEE, SCHEDULE AND METHODOLOGIES AND PRIORITIZE WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING FOR INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF SORT OF A FULL SALE, YOU KNOW, AX ACROSS THE BOARD. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE PART AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. SORRY. JUST ONE MORE
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QUESTION ABOUT PARKS AND REC. WHAT ABOUT ADDING THINGS LIKE A LIGHTING TO SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE. IS THAT CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE OR IMPROVEMENT OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING. YEAH.MY INTERPRETATION HAS BEEN AND I SHOULD MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS IN THE ABBREVIATION IS THIS SORT OF ADDING CAPACITY. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S AN IMPORTANT SORT OF LIKE GETTING MORE USAGE.
EXACTLY. YEAH. SO ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE TO A REC CENTER IS ADDING, YOU KNOW, USABLE SPACE, ADDING PARK AMENITIES LIKE TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUNDS. YOU KNOW, NOW WE CAN USE THAT LAND BETTER. BUT AND ADDING LIGHTS TO A BALL FIELD, I MEAN YOU CAN USE IT, YOU KNOW, FOR MORE HOURS IN THE DAY FOR US. WE DON'T HAVE LIGHTING ON OUR RIVERWALK. AND SURE, YEAH, WE WOULD EXPAND THE USAGE. YEAH, QUITE A BIT. YEAH. AND I WAS JUST WORKING WITH WHERE WAS THIS? I'M FORGETTING WHERE IT WAS. I'M FORGETTING WHERE IT WAS. BUT THEY'RE MOVING THEIR PARKS TO, LIKE, ARTIFICIAL TURF SO THEY CAN USE IT YEAR ROUND. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S ANOTHER YOU KNOW, IT EXISTS TODAY. BUT THAT, THAT EFFORT IS ACTUALLY. YEAH. MAKING IT MORE USABLE. SO YOU COULD EXPAND THE ACREAGE OF AN EXISTING COMMUNITY PARK AND THAT WOULD COUNT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A BRAND NEW ONE.
YEAH. OH YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. AND WE'RE COLLECTING LAND. WE'RE COLLECTING TO PURCHASE LAND FOR COMMUNITY PARKS AND IMPROVE COMMUNITY PARKS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE AT THE SAME LOCATION.
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH PARK PLANNING, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ACRES FURTHER OUT IN THE CITY AND THEN TO BE STRATEGIC WITH THAT. BUT THERE MAY BE IMPROVEMENT NEEDS AND AMENITIES AT CURRENT PARKS. AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SMASH THEM TOGETHER. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.
YEAH. SOME OTHER SORT OF UPDATES, YOU KNOW, JUST TO ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION, WE LOOKED AT THE VALUATION OF YOUR PARK AMENITIES TO SORT OF BRING THAT UP TO SPEED. AND THEN ALSO PREVIOUSLY WE'RE COLLECTING FOR PURCHASING LAND ABOUT $30,000, BUT ANOTHER COST THAT WE HADN'T INCLUDED BEFORE IS DEVELOPING THAT LAND. SO NOT NECESSARILY THE PLAYGROUNDS, BUT PUTTING IN THE IRRIGATION SITE, MITIGATION, LANDSCAPING, ALL OF THAT COST IS SOMETHING SORT OF THAT MISSING PORTION THERE. SO THAT BRINGS US FROM 30 TO 60,000 PER ACRE. DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE SLEW. AND MAYBE I'LL DO THIS NEXT TIME WE MEET. BUT BASED ON TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THAT GROWTH NEED, WE HAVE A TEN YEAR NEED HERE OF 105 NEW COMMUNITY PARK ACRES, 38 PARK AMENITIES AND FOR AMENITIES AT CIVIC PARKS TO THE TUNE OF $10.8 MILLION. AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE COMPARE TO THE CIP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN JUSTIFY CLICKING AT TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE HERE IS ACTUALLY JUST A SMALL PORTION OF A LARGER PARKS AND RECREATION CAPITAL PLAN.
THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE IMPACT FEES. SORT OF BROKE IT DOWN INTO COMMUNITY PARKS, CIVIC PARKS, INDOOR AND NEIGHBORHOOD. SO REALLY THE FOCUS IS ON THAT COMMUNITY PARKS. WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE COLLECTING TO FUND SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. SAME WITH CIVIC PARKS, HANDFUL OF SMALLER AMENITY IMPROVEMENTS THERE. THE COMMUNITY PARK, SORRY, THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THAT INDOOR REC PROJECT. PRETTY LARGE NUMBER. WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED $450,000 THROUGH IMPACT FEES. AND SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION IS WE SORT OF STOP THAT COLLECTION PORTION. BUT WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED FOR SOME INDOOR REC CENTER EXPANSION. SO WE USE THAT AT LEAST AT THIS MOMENT FOR THAT LARGE ONE. BUT WE CAN MOVE THOSE DOLLARS ELSEWHERE. AND IF I, IF I DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TALK WITH PJ OR THE LIAISON AND SAY, HEY, I DON'T SEE ON THIS LIST THE LIGHTING, I SEE LIGHTING FOR THE WALKWAY FOR HERITAGE, BUT NOT FOR THE RIVERWALK. THAT'S SOMETHING FOR HIM. WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. OH YES. YES, ABSOLUTELY. WE DO THIS. SO COMMUNICATE WITH. AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, SATURN PARK, AND WE'VE COLLECTED BASICALLY ENOUGH REALLY TO SORT OF ACCOMPLISH THAT. AND THAT'S PUT OUT TO 2030. BUT PJ ACTUALLY THINKS HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE SOONER. NOW THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED DOLLARS FOR THAT. BUT MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULDN'T BE COLLECTING FOR ANY MORE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK EXPANSION. AND THAT IS ACTUALLY MORE CONSISTENT TO WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS WELL, THAT SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS ARE PUTTING IN THEIR OWN SORT OF LOCALIZED MINI PARK AND MAYBE ACCOMPLISHING, MAYBE ACCOMPLISHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. SO LET'S FOCUS ON THE LARGER COMMUNITY PART. SO THIS IS ONE LIKE WHAT WOULD MAKE SATURN A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK VERSUS THE NEW PARK. THAT'S
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METHANE. WELL LIKE WHY WOULD THAT WHY NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS ARE WELL YEAH. WELL I CAN SPEAK TO LIKE THE CLASSIFICATION. LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS ARE SMALLER. LIKE THREE. YEAH. LIKE 2 TO 3 ACRES. THEY HAVE A PLAYGROUND, MAYBE A GAZEBO. THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE PARKING. AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS WHERE YOUR COMMUNITY PARKS ARE LARGER, TEN PLUS ACRES WITH BALL FIELDS. SO WHICH ONE WERE THE. WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT PARK, PARK PLANT. AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF METHANE, WHICH IS, IS SOMETHING TO GET US INTO COMPLIANCE WITH LWCF IF IT'S SIZE WISE, IF THAT WOULDN'T BE A BETTER USE OF THE $360,000 IS IF WE CALL THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN IT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT COMING OFF OF AN ARTERIAL, IT'S IT FEELS TO ME AROUND MAPPING, YOU HAVE ALL THE NEW APARTMENTS THAT ARE PAYING FEES AS WELL. YEAH. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF SPECIFICALLY WHETHER YOU HAD A. I HAD A DISTINCTION PARK BY PARK. I LEANED ON STAFF. OKAY. PJ TO DO THAT. THAT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION THOUGH. BUT IMPORTANTLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT TO ENSURE, YOU KNOW, FOR CLASSIFYING A PARK COMMUNITY PARK, THAT IT FALLS WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A COMMUNITY PARK IS. SO IF IT LOOKS MORE SIMILAR TO A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, WE WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE CRB. BUT DO YOU AGREE? WOULD YOU ARGUE REAL QUICK THAT IF IT HAS A CITYWIDE DROP, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SERVING A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT HAS A CITYWIDE DROP FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER AS MAP AND WILL PROBABLY, AND AS SATURN DOES BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION, RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITY GARDENS. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT MAKES IT MORE OF A COMMUNITY RATHER THAN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, IT DEPEND ON THE WELL, LOCATION WOULD INFLUENCE THAT OR CERTAIN AMENITIES IF THERE'S SOMETHING THERE. SORRY.NO, I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING. I MY INTERESTING QUESTION IS IF IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE'VE LARGELY BUILT THOSE IN AND THEY'RE THERE. THAT'S INTERESTING. BUT NOW WE'RE GETTING INFILL AND NEXT NEXT TO ME. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF INFILL APARTMENTS, PROBABLY 1000 DOORS THAT HAVE COME IN. SO THAT SEEMS LIKE THOSE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT WE'RE USING IMPACT FEES TO MAKE THAT PARK A MORE USABLE, MORE ACCESSIBLE, MORE MAYBE TRAILS TO THAT PARK FROM THOSE BRIDGES ACROSS THE CANALS, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT THESE ARE PROBABLY CONVERSATIONS MORE FOR PJ. YEAH, THESE ARE MORE AND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. WHAT IS A COMMUNITY PARK? WHAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK? WHAT ARE THE DEFINITIONS. HOW DO WE I WOULD YEAH, I WOULD BE SURPRISED TO HEAR A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK SERVING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS TRADITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, SERVING THE 300 HOMES THAT ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THEN WHEN WE'VE HAD INFILL, WE HAVE SEEN COMPLEXES OF 300 OR MORE, AND THEN FOUR OF THEM COME IN AND YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, COLIN, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO GOING DOWN ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT, NINE, TEN ITEMS, IT SAYS IRRIGATION REPLACEMENT, FIVE ACRE REINHART STORM POND, IRRIGATION AND TURF. HOW IS THAT ADDING CAPACITY AND HOW IS THAT NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR FURTHER DOWN THE SKATE PARK? PHASE TWO. OH, YEAH. AT RYAN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I'M CURIOUS. I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT THAT IS MAINTENANCE REALLY SHOULD BE ON THE LIST, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, WHAT ROUTINES ARE PJ? BUT I WONDER IF THE STORM POND IS. MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S MAYBE INCREASING THE CAPACITY FOR THE FOR THE SPLASH. BECAUSE THE SPLASH PARK IS NEEDED. THEY NEED THE. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME LOGIC. I JUST WAS CURIOUS. THEY'RE TAKING IT OFF OF GROUNDWATER AND PUTTING IT OR PUTTING IT ON SURFACE WATER OR SOMETHING. HOW IS THAT GROWTH? AND NOT JUST A NICE GOOD THING.
YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU KNOW NO GOOD I. YOU KNOW, SORT OF MOVING ON INTO THE ANALYSIS JUST TO SORT OF GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE CALCULATIONS, SPEAKING TO THAT EXISTING FUND BALANCE IS WHEN WE STARTED THE STUDY, WE HAD ABOUT $1.5 MILLION IN THE BANK FOR PARK IMPACT FEES, REDUCING OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, CIP AND INDOOR REC CENTER. CIP LEAVES US WITH $700,000.
THAT PARK CIP IS 16 MILLION, SO WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED ESSENTIALLY 5% OF THAT, THAT 16.
AND SO YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE A 5% REDUCTION IN THE FINAL FEE CALCULATION. AND THIS WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE PAST, THE INITIAL PROJECT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT FEES.
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THIS IS A GOOD LESSON FOR US AS A COUNCIL TO GET THESE THINGS PAID, GET GET THINGS DONE AND PAID SO YOU HAVE MORE ROOM FOR THE FUTURE. THAT'S THE LESSON. YEAH. WELL, THERE'S AN EVEN MORE INTERESTING QUESTION. AND THAT IS THAT IF THE LAWSUIT ENDS UP ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING VERY DRASTIC, WHICH WE DON'T NECESSARILY ANTICIPATE, BUT IF IT CAUSES US TO HAVE TO REFUND THESE, THAT THAT DECISION WILL COME AFTER THIS IS DONE. SO WE'RE DIGGING IN WHAT WE CAN COLLECT AND WE LOSE WHAT WE'VE COLLECTED. WE'RE REALLY STARTING FROM SQUARE ONE WITH WITH WITH MUCH LESS CAPACITY FOR COLLECTION. BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST A PILL WE HAVE TO SWALLOW.WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY, LISA? SOMETHING SIMILAR OR NOT? YES, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO PAY REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS AND GET ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TIME TO TAKE THAT REALLY FINE COMB TO THESE. AND WE ALSO NEED A NEEDS ANALYSIS. YES. MORE OFTEN IT ISN'T JUST SOME HUGE APPROACH. RIGHT. SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED IN NEIGHBORHOODS AS THESE NEW APARTMENTS ARE NEW. YEAH. LIKE A BALL DIAMOND. I MEAN, DOES OUR REC PROGRAM NEED ANOTHER BALL DIAMOND OR YOU KNOW, LIKE I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S SOME SO LIKE OUR FOCUS REPORT, HE TOLD US HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PLAYING BASEBALL, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PLAYING AND HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE? YEAH. SO I IT SEEMS TO ME YOU HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THEN YOU HAVE A COLUMN IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE OR NOT, BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IS GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE HERE. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT. YEAH. YES. BUT AS I YEAH, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO GET THAT SENSE FROM BOTH THE IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND FROM COUNCIL, WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE THE RIGHT PROJECTS FOR IMPACT FEE. AND I'M NOT SAYING, OH, WE'RE GOING TO. OUT OUT DECIDE THE DIRECTOR. JUST SOME SOME GOOD CONVERSATION AROUND IT. BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN JUST THE LIAISON DIRECTOR, WHICH HAS BEEN KIND OF TRADITIONALLY WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THESE ARE BIGGER QUESTIONS NOW WITH THESE KIND OF $16 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS. RIGHT. AND IF I MAY, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. PARKS ACTUALLY HAS A CAPITAL PLAN. AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A SEPARATE TAB THAT TALKS ABOUT THE IMPACT BE ELIGIBLE CIP. SO HE DOES HAVE A FULL, FULLY LOADED PLAN FOR BOTH FOR A VARIETY OF FUNDING SOURCES.
RIGHT. SO YEAH, DIDN'T TOUCH ON ALL THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE. BUT BUT THIS GIVES US A DRAFT. DRAFT. YOU KNOW IT. WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE REVIEW PROCESS. BUT OVERALL ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WE GET A NET COST PER PERSON FOR LAND PURCHASING AND PARK IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT IS ABOUT 600 OR $550 PER PERSON. ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS YOUR CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE. AND SO THERE'S THE STRUCTURE OF YOUR CURRENT SCHEDULE. SO THAT SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER UNIT MULTIPLIED BY THE COST PER PERSON GETS US THE MAXIMUM IN THE GREEN. AND THAT'S ABOUT $150 INCREASE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME, $81 FOR MULTIFAMILY. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WOULD BE THE FEE SCHEDULE BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME.
WE JUST HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER UNIT COST PER PERSON. MULTIPLY THOSE TWO GETS US THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE. SO YOUR AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THIS CASE STILL ABOUT THAT $1,500 MARK. SO WE'RE SEEING INCREASES ON THE HIGHER BOUND GROUPS BUT THEN ACTUALLY DECREASES FOR YOUR FOR YOUR HOMES BELOW 2000FTā S. IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY 2.76, THEY STILL MAKE MORE. IF YOU GO WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AT 2.61. YEAH, YEAH. WELL THEY YEAH THEY SEE THAT THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS SORT OF THE AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE OF ALL OF THEM. AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE AVERAGE OF ALL OF THEM. BUT AT THOSE DIFFERENT SIZE BOUNDS, IT'S INTERESTING THAT I'M NOT EVEN SURE WADE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS FOR US, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THINGS WE COULD EVEN IMPROVE THAT GOT MUCH BELOW 800FTā S. THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS. BUT IT DOES HELP. YOU KNOW, I THINK IF THERE'S A CONCERN FOR AFFORDABILITY, I HAVEN'T RUN THE NUMBERS BEFORE, BUT THEORETICALLY YOU WOULD STILL BE SORT OF NET NEUTRAL IF YOU WENT FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, UNLESS YOU SAW THIS BIG BOOM IN LOWER.
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YEAH, YEAH. TINY HOUSES ESSENTIALLY. BUT IF YOUR MARKET SORT OF STAYED THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO MOVING ON TO TRANSPORTATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH PARKS I GUESS BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD FOR TRANSPORTATION, A LOT MORE NUMBERS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THAT SAME METHODOLOGY THOUGH. WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE COMPARING TO CIP.WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT MAJOR AND MINOR ARTERIALS. YOUR BIG SORT OF CITYWIDE BENEFITING ROAD NETWORK. WE USE WHAT'S CALLED VEHICLE MILES OF TRAVEL VMT AS THAT DEMAND FACTOR. SO IT'S YOUR TRIP RATES. BUT THEN ALSO THE DISTANCE OF YOUR TRIP TO UNDERSTAND THE COST OF PROPORTIONALITY. CHANGES FROM 2021 IS CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE UP FOR ROADS 47%. THAT NUMBERS. YEAH. ASTOUNDING. YEAH YEAH YEAH IT IS. BUT REALLY IT'S COST PER LANE MILE OF ABOUT $1.5 MILLION SEEMS TO BE CHEAP. YEAH, WELL, SEE, FROM THE TREASURE VALLEY BOISE AND IT IT IT'S LIKE $3 MILLION. IT'S SO YOU'RE SO WE'RE STILL. YEAH. YOU'RE STILL. YEAH. BELOW COST PER COST PER MILE. BELOW WHAT BOISE COUNTY'S EXPERIENCING. UPDATED THOSE THOSE DEMAND FACTORS BUT THEN INCLUDED CREDITS AS WELL. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN UPDATED CREDITS. WELL WE HAVE LIKE EXISTING FUND BALANCE. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE WE COMPARE THAT LEVELS. TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE CIP. AND THE CIP ALMOST MEETS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. BUT WE ACTUALLY REDUCE THE FEE SLIGHTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVER COLLECTING. OKAY. SO BASED ON THOSE DEMAND FACTORS, CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICE GROWTH PROJECTIONS, WE'RE SORT OF LOOKING AT A NEED OF 32 NEW LANE MILES. BUT YOUR CIP HAS ABOUT 14 OVER FIVE YEARS. SO WE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, COMPARE FIVE YEARS TO FIVE YEARS. WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A NEED FOR 16 OVER THE NEXT TEN OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AT CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO YOUR CIP ACCOUNTS FOR 87% OF THE NEED. SO WE ACTUALLY REDUCE THE FEE 13% TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE ONLY CHARGING FOR THE 14, NOT CHARGING FOR THE 16. BUT DOES THAT MEET THE TEST AT THE BEGINNING OF PROPORTIONALITY? BECAUSE THAT'S MY FEAR WITH TRANSPORTATION IS LIKE I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING WE HEAR ABOUT EVERY DAY, EVERY YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU PAY FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING? AND I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION USING OUR ROADS, THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR. BUT POPULATION GROWTH OF 16% WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, NOT SUFFICIENT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE COULD NEVER REALLY GET TO PROPORTIONALITY ON THAT.
IN FACT, WE COULD JUST ALMOST CHARGE THEM ALMOST ANYTHING BECAUSE TO GET TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEEDED TO GET BACK TO A REASONABLE RATE WOULD BE OVERWHELMING. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF IN SPIRIT OF THE PROPORTIONALITY OR IS THAT THERE'S SOMETIMES A CEILING TO WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE. AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE IT'S LOGISTICS. IT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, JUST ENVIRONMENT. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE THE LIKE WE COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE. YEAH.
YEAH. AND SO IF THERE'S CONSTRAINS ALTHOUGH THERE'S OTHER IMPACTS GREATER IMPACTS.
WE SHOULD ONLY BE CHARGING WHAT WE CAN COMMIT TO PROVIDING. AND SO YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER INSTANCE WHERE IF WE WERE STILL SORT OF IN A REVIEW PROCESS, IF THESE IF THE ROAD CIP NEEDED TO BE REVIEWED AND WE ACTUALLY. INCREASED IT, THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO GET TO 16 INSTEAD OF 14. INTERESTING. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A FUND BALANCE A PRETTY, PRETTY HEALTHY ONE, $5 MILLION. THAT'S ON PURPOSE THOUGH BECAUSE OF THE SUIT. IS THAT TRUE? RIGHT. BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENDING YEAH. WE HAD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO, BUT WE COULDN'T. WELL, AND IN FACT, IN SOME CASES WE ARE AND WE'RE BORROWING FROM OTHER CITY ACCOUNTS, HOPING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO THEN REPLENISH THOSE ACCOUNTS WITH THE IMPACT FEE FUNDS ONCE, ONCE THE LAWSUIT IS CLEAR. AND THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD FIND A WAY TO HAVE THAT THOSE FEES OR THE COLLECTED FEES ARE ALREADY COMMITTED OFFSET IN SOME WAY FOR WHAT YOU'RE STUDYING, RATHER THAN YOU JUST LOOKING AT THE BANK ACCOUNT BALANCE. YEAH. SO WE HAVE SEEN THAT OCCUR WHERE IMPACT FEE. WELL WHERE OTHER FUNDS, OTHER CITY FUNDS, UPFRONT COSTS THAT WOULD BE IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE LIKE CITY OF KUNA DID THIS WITH THEIR WITH THEIR POLICE STATION. THEY YOU KNOW, THEY NEEDED EXPANSION AND THEY EXPANDED FURTHER. THEY'VE OVERSIZE THEIR POLICE STATION WHERE IT IMPACT FEES COULD PAY OFF. ESSENTIALLY,
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THE GENERAL FUND REALLY IMPORTANTLY, IS GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IMPACT FEE FUNDS GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO YOU REALLY WANT TO ASSURE THAT THERE'S PROPER ACCOUNTING TO SORT OF ACCOUNT FOR ALL THAT. YEAH, BUT BUT WE'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO PASS PASS BONDS IN IDAHO. AND SO THESE THESE SMALLER INSTANCES WHERE YOU KNOW OTHER DOLLARS CAN UPFRONT THAT COST. WE SEE THIS WITH LIKE FIRE ENGINES TOO IS LIKE OVER YOU KNOW OVER FOUR YEARS THAT THAT WILL GET PAID BACK. SO A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE. BUT JUST TO SORT OF SORT OF WALK YOU THROUGH COSTS HAVE GONE UP 47%. WE DID KEEP THAT FEDERAL FUNDING CREDIT OF 25%. SO WE'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE GRANTS TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 25% OF OUR CIP, WHICH SHOULD REDUCE THE FEES ONLY FOR THE SEMI FIVE. WE HAVE A BALANCE OF 11%. AND THEN ALSO THE REDUCTION FOR THAT CIP OF 13%. INTERESTING ENOUGH, THOSE SORT OF ALL SORT OF LIKE COUNTERWEIGHT EACH OTHER AND WE'RE SEEING INCREASES, BUT REALLY NOT THAT BIG OF A INCREASES ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. THE CURRENT STRUCTURE MAXIMUM $3,400 FOR A HOME CHARGING 3000 RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S A $400 INCREASE INCREASE FOR SINGLE FAMILY. SOME SOME ALSO INCREASES FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL TYPES. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WOULD BE BY THE SIZE OF THE HOME AND REALLY SORT OF NEGLIGIBLE INCREASES UNTIL YOU GET TO THE 3000FTā S OR GREATER. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? POLICE SAY METHODOLOGY. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ACTUALLY. WE'VE OVERSIZE THE POLICE STATION TO ACCOUNT FOR 20 YEARS WORTH OF GROWTH, SO WE CAN WHAT'S CALLED A COST RECOVERY. ESSENTIALLY LOOK AT THE DEBT PAYMENTS AND USE IMPACT FEES TO HELP SERVICE THAT DEBT. STILL LOOKING AT INCREMENTAL EXPANSION FOR YOUR POLICE FLEET BECAUSE THOSE HAVE BEEN TENURE USED FULLY FOR LONGER. SO WE CAN COLLECT AND EXPAND OUR POLICE FLEET UNDER STATE CODE. HERE WOULD BE THE CIP FOR POLICE. SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IF WHAT IF OUR POLICY IS TO NOT GO TEN YEARS? YEAH, WE SHOULDN'T BE COLLECTING. BUT BUT THERE'S BEEN INDICATION THAT WE ARE USING THEM FOR LONGER. AND THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO REMEMBER THOUGH, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO RETHINK TO MAKE SURE IT'S AT LEAST TEN YEARS OF USE, OR AN AVERAGE OF TEN YEARS OF TEEN.AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH CHIEF JOHNSON IS THE FACT THAT WE WOULD IDENTIFY THOSE PARTICULAR VEHICLES THAT FALL WITHIN THAT ARE THAT ARE BEING ACQUIRED DUE TO GROWTH, USING IMPACT FEES, THAT WE WOULD IDENTIFY THOSE WITH THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER IN OUR SYSTEM, SO WE WOULD KNOW NOT TO REPLACE THEM UNTIL THEY'VE PASSED THAT TEN YEAR PERIOD. SO THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO IDENTIFY THOSE PARTICULAR VEHICLES. YOU'LL BE ADDING TO YOUR PATROL OFFICERS, YOUR FTE OVER THE YEARS. AND SO THAT THAT SORT OF GETS DOWN TO POLICE FLEET ADDITIONS AT 1 OR 2 PER YEAR, 23 TOTAL OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THESE POLICE CARS HAVE GOTTEN PRETTY EXPENSIVE. SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF $2.2 MILLION TO ADD TO YOUR FLEET. AND THEN ALSO THE COP DEBT SERVICE STILL EXISTING IS ABOUT 20 MILLION. IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, FROM IMPACT FEES WOULD BE 3.4 MILLION. JUST CURIOUS, THE POLICE CARS, IS THAT JUST THE COST OF THE CAR, THE COST OF THE CAR WITH ALL THE STUFF IN IT, ALL THAT FULLY LOADED, READY TO STEP INTO AND DRIVE AWAY? YEAH. SO IN ADDITION TO HIRING NEW OFFICER AND GETTING THEM A FULLY LOADED VEHICLE, THERE'S ALSO JUST ANOTHER CHUNK OF MONEY WHICH HAS TO DO WITH. GEAR, GUNS. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. IS THAT ANY OF THAT ALLOWABLE? NOT WE'RE NOT COLLECTING FOR EQUIPMENT. YEAH. JUST A VEHICLE WHICH JUST THE VEHICLE THEN LAPTOP, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER SECURITY FEATURES THAT THEY HAVE IN THE SQUAD CARS. YEAH. THAT WAS KIND OF MY, MY QUESTION.
YEAH. SO IT COVERS THE VEHICLE STUFF. BUT LIKE I SAID I THINK 20 GRAND NOT THE PUT THE GEAR ON THE COP. NO HANDCUFFS OR GUN. DIDN'T WE LEARN IN LAST WEEK'S REPORT THAT THAT'S ABOUT ANOTHER 40 OR $50,000 PER OFFICER, BUT THAT'S IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH. NO PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, SAME METHODOLOGY. WE HAVE A COUPLE CREDITS HERE. SO BOTH FOR THE EXISTING FUND BALANCE
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THAT WE HAVE FOR FUTURE VEHICLE PURCHASES, BUT ALSO TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOUBLE COLLECTING AS A FUTURE HOMEOWNERS PAYING AN IMPACT FEE FOR THE COP, BUT ALSO PROPERTY TAX THAT'S GOING TO A PORTION OF THE COP. SO WE HAVE A CREDIT THERE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOUBLE COLLECTING. IN THIS CASE, $45 INCREASE FOR SINGLE FAMILY. WHAT WE ACTUALLY SAW IS THAT LOOKING AT CALLS FOR SERVICE IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A SHIFT IN MORE CALLS TO RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS THAN COMMERCIAL NON RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING ACTUALLY A DECREASE ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE. SO THERE'S YOU KNOW WE HAVE ALL THESE INPUTS LIKE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER HOME AS WE SORT OF REEVALUATE ALL THOSE DEMAND FACTORS AND CALLS FOR SERVICE IS ONE THAT WE USED. AND THAT'S SORT OF SHIFTS COST TO THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. FIRED EMS, VERY SIMILAR METHODOLOGY. WE HAVE REALLY GOOD CALL DATA. SO USING THAT TO UNDERSTAND DEMAND FROM DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TYPES. INCREMENTAL EXPANSION APPROACH. SO WE LOOK AT YOUR YOUR FACILITY SQUARE FOOTAGE YOUR YOUR FLEET PER 1000 RESIDENTS. REALLY THE UPDATES HERE HAVE BEEN UPDATING CALLS AND COST DATA TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE WE'RE CAPTURING YOUR CIP, BUT THEN ALSO JUST HONING IN ON THE TRAINING FACILITY COMPONENT. AND SO YOU'LL SEE WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT FOR IT. BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE REAL SOLID IDEAS OF WHAT THAT FUTURE FACILITY MAY LOOK LIKE IS TO USE FUTURE IMPACT FEES TO PAY FOR THE DESIGN ENGINEERING STUDY. AND SO THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS IS GO THROUGH A FACILITY PLAN FOR THAT TRAINING FACILITY. SO IN THE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. GROWTH RELATED NEEDS. SO WE HAVE LEVELS OF SERVICE TIMES. PROJECTED GROWTH GETS US $5 MILLION IN NEED. HERE'S YOUR CIP. SO STATION SIX AT YELLOWSTONE AND HIGHWAY 26 COMING ALONG NOW WITH A COUPLE NEW UNITS AND SOME STORAGE. AND THEN STATION EIGHT, BOTH OF THOSE OVER $2 MILLION, ALONG WITH APPARATUSES, GET US $6.5 MILLION IN NEED. IMPORTANTLY, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE'LL COLLECT FOR TODAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COLLECT THE 6.5 MILLION. BUT THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FULLY FUND THIS $9 MILLION CIP, BECAUSE BASICALLY THIS REPRESENTS HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING NOW. THIS IS A TEN YEAR PLAN. AND SO HOPEFULLY FIVE YEARS WE'VE TACKLED STATION SIX AND WE'LL LOOK FURTHER OUT FOR EIGHT AND MAYBE NINE AFTER THAT. DO YOU YOU SAID IT PREVIOUSLY THAT THE WHOLE CITY. BUT WHEN WE BUILD SOMETHING LIKE SIX IT'S IMPACTING IT IMPACTS THE WHOLE CITY BECAUSE WE ARE APPROVED.BUT THERE'S NO CONCERN THAT'S. YEAH. IMPORTANTLY THE FIRE STATIONS AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THE APPROACH WE'RE TAKING IS, IS THERE'S THIS RIPPLE EFFECT FOR FIRE CALL OR EMS CALL WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE AT A STATION, YOU LIVE NEAR A STATION, YOUR STATION IS GETTING CALLED OUT TO THAT FAR OUT LINE SUBDIVISION WHERE IF WE ADDRESS THAT FAR OUTLYING SUBDIVISION WITH THE NEW STATION NOW, YOUR STATION MORE CLOSE TO YOU STILL HAS UNITS AVAILABLE. WHEN? WHEN YOU CALL. IT WOULD BE QUICKER. YEAH, YEAH. AND THERE ARE INSTANCES I FORGOT TO. I WROTE IT DOWN SOMEWHERE. WHERE YOU MAY BE ON A WAIT, BASICALLY WAITING FOR AN AVAILABLE UNIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL UNITS RESPONDING OUT. AND SO THIS IS HELPS WITH THAT. MAXIMUM SUPPORT AMOUNT HERE. SO REDUCING BY 7% FOR THAT THAT FUND BALANCE $60 INCREASE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. WE'RE SEEING SOME LARGER INCREASES ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE. SO $200 INCREASE FOR PER 1000FTā !S OF RETAIL $700 INCREAE FOR INSTITUTIONAL. AND THAT'S EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE. SO SUMMARY HERE WOULD BE AND AGAIN DRAFT DRAFT. YOU KNOW THERE'S STILL SOME SOME SORT OF INPUT NEEDED IN REVIEW. BUT WHERE WE'RE FALLING AT THE MOMENT IS $5,900 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THAT'S ABOUT $600 INCREASE FROM A RAT TODAY. SO 1,015% MOST MOSTLY INCREASES BUT BUT ACTUALLY DECREASE ON THE RETAIL SIDE BY 500 BUCKS, 600 BUCKS PER 1000 FOR A COMPARISON, IF WE SWITCHED IT TO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF HOME, WE'RE SEEING DECREASES FOR HOMES LESS THAN 2000FTā S AND THN LARGER INCREASES AS WE SORT OF
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GO UP IN SIZE. CLOSER TO EIGHT. WE'VE BEEN I THINK WE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE LANDED. YEAH.SOMEWHERE IN THE SIXES. BUT THERE'S A DOT. THE ADOPTION OF 75% FOR PARTS POLICE AND FIRE.
YEAH. SO NEXT STEPS YOU KNOW INPUT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FROM MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL HERE ON THE CIP. ALSO ANY SORT OF THOUGHTS INPUT ON GOING FROM TYPE OF HOME TO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME MEETING WITH ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOMORROW TO REVIEW EVEN MORE IN DEPTH WHAT WE DID TODAY, FURTHER OUTREACH WITH STAKEHOLDERS. INCORPORATE ALL THAT INTO A FINAL REPORT.
HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY GETTING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VALIDITY OF THE STUDY BY THE DFAC AND THEN P AND Z ON THE THIRD AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL. I GUESS AFTER THAT. THE THING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING IS THAT FOLLOWING STATE CODE CIPS LIVE WITHIN THE COMP PLAN. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE A TEXT AMENDMENT WITH P AND Z. SO IT'S THE PREVIOUS REPORT IS IN THE COMP PLAN. SO JUST BASICALLY REPLACING THE OLD REPORT WITH THIS REPORT. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE VERSUS I THINK THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING APPROACH THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT BECAUSE THE AVERAGES. BUT YOU DO GET SOME INCENTIVE TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE BUILD SOME MISSING MIDDLE AND SOME MORE INNOVATIVE KIND OF HOUSING. THAT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THE $1,700 IS ENOUGH, BUT BUT IT IS INTERESTING TO ME AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ONLY A FEW SIZES OTHERWISE THAT WE ACTUALLY COLLECT MORE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT STRUCK ME WAS THAT PARTICULARLY THAT BELOW 1000 IS LOW INCOME HOUSING. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STARTS TO BE. YOU KNOW, SENIORS THAT DOWNSIZE AND HAVE A REALLY NICE HOME. IT'S ONLY 1800 SQUARE FEET. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CROSSOVER POINT THERE SOMEWHERE. BUT SOME OF THAT BOTTOM IN TERMS OF SIZE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF THINKING THERE'S SOME MERIT TO LOOKING AT HELPING THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT. WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY DOING. YEAH. AGAIN, I WOULD SAY I MEAN ONE OUT OF THREE MIGHT BE A LOW ESTIMATE. I MEAN RIGHT NOW THERE'S I MEAN SOME OUTSIDE OF LIKE RURAL FIRE DISTRICTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE NAMPA, MCCALL, SANDPOINT. MIDDLETON, THE TOWNS, THE CITIES OF GOING TOWARDS SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO, SO SOME MORE YOU KNOW MORE HALEY TO MORE RESORT TOWNS. BUT I THINK IT'S THE EVOLUTION TOO OF IMPACT FEES IS TYPICALLY YOU GET YOUR FEET WET DOING SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE REALLY THE AT LEAST IN MY MIND THE ONLY CON IS THE ADMIN BURDEN OF GOING TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. BECAUSE INSTEAD OF GETTING AN APPLICATION FOR A 20 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING 20 X, YOU KNOW THIS THIS NUMBER, THE ADMIN WOULD HAVE TO GO BY EACH UNIT SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THERE'S A BIT MORE BURDEN THERE. BUT YOU KNOW AGAIN IT'S NOT JUST RESORT TOWNS THAT ARE FEELING THIS SORT OF AFFORDABILITY CRUNCH. AND YOU KNOW WE CAN'T TIE THE FEE TO THE VALUE OF THE HOME, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. IT HAS TO BE BASED ON THE DEMAND. AND, YOU KNOW, AS A HOME GROWS, SURELY THE VALUE OF THE HOME. BUT BUT WE TIE IT TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT THE VALUE. HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE TO GET THE DATA AND SAY THIS MIGHT IMPACT YOU? SORRY, BUT HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO GET THE DATA IF WE HAD USED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE METHOD FOR THE PREVIOUS YEARS? IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO MAYBE HAVE THAT BE REGRESSED ANALYSIS, AND THEN WE COULD SEE, HEY, DID WE LOSE MONEY OR GAIN MONEY? AND THEN IF IT HAS SOME IMPACT ON LOWERING SOME PRICES FOR WORKERS AND FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE, THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL. YEAH. IT WOULD TAKE US SOME TIME TO COLLECT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT WE DO. WE DO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MOSTLY IT'S BY VALUATION ON THE PERMIT, BUT WE DEFINITELY TAKE IN THAT. WE HAVE THAT NUMBER. WE JUST HAVE TO GO AND HOLD IT. YOU KNOW, I'M LESS INTERESTED. I MEAN, JUST AS CONVERSATION, I'M LESS INTERESTED IN HAVING THEM DO WORK ON STUFF THAT'S KIND OF PAST. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF, LIKE, WHAT WOULD HAVE WE DONE OR LOST? BUT IF I THINK IF WE THINK THAT THIS IS A VALID METHOD, THEN I WOULD JUST, YEAH, MOVE FORWARD RATHER THAN KIND OF LOOK BACK, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD GET AN ANSWER IF IT'S LIKE, OH, WE WOULD LOSE MONEY OR WE'D GAIN MONEY, LIKE, OR HOW MUCH? YEAH. TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD GAIN QUITE A BIT. WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOT DO YOU THINK. DO YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER OFFHAND. OH NO. FOR A FOR A COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL OR SINGLE FAMILY. YEAH I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE GROSSLY UNDERESTIMATING. I THINK MY GUT TELLS ME IT'S 2000 TO 3000. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT RANGE, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO GO
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DOWN TO 1500 MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER, WHICH I DON'T KNOW. SO THAT THAT'S HOW IT STRIKES ME IN MY MIND. I'M LOOKING A LITTLE LESS FOR THE DOLLARS COLLECTED AND MORE FOR THE EQUITY INVOLVED. BUT YEAH, I DID HEAR MARGARET EXPLAIN SOMETHING, AND BECAUSE THIS WAS NEW TO ME, I HAD HAD THIS PRESENTATION. I DIDN'T REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING SHE SAID.BUT I THINK SHE SAID AT FIRST IN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND YOU TWO WERE THERE. SO YOU CAN TELL ME OR MAYBE THREE IN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THIS IDEA AT FIRST SOUNDED KIND OF INTRIGUIN.
AND BUT AS TIME HAS GONE BY, THEY'VE STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT. AND MAYBE THERE ISN'T THAT SAME LEVEL OF SUPPORT THAT THERE ORIGINALLY WAS. BUT WHAT I CAN'T DISCERN IS WHAT IS IT? IS IT HOW IT IMPACTS THE BUILDER SOMEHOW AND THEIR THEIR COSTS OR THEIR PASS PASS THROUGH? SO DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY SENSE OF WHY IT STARTED OUT SOUNDING KIND OF LIKE A GOOD IDEA AND THEN MAYBE NOT SO MUCH NOW. GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THE FIRST MEETING, IT'S A LITTLE NEBULOUS, RIGHT? LIKE HYPOTHETICAL ON WHAT THE LIKE, WHAT THE DOLLAR SIGNS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. TYPICALLY THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE NOW, YOU KNOW, 2021 TO NOW YOU'VE SEEN A TON OF INFLATION. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE KIND OF THAT, SORT OF THAT SORT OF LIFTING ALL COSTS SORT OF ELEMENT. BUT YOU KNOW, IN YOUR LARGE HOMES LIKE 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, THAT MIGHT BE A $1.5 MILLION HOME. SO THE INCREASES REALLY AREN'T FELT AT THAT HIGH END. AND THEN TO HELP, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH MARGINS, PROFORMAS FOR YOUR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, $700 PER UNIT, NOT A TON PER UNIT. BUT IF YOU DO 100 UNIT COMPLEX, THAT BECOMES $70,000 SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A MEANINGFUL AMOUNT. SO I'M NOT SURE. WELL, YEAH. THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THIS JUST YET. OKAY. I THINK THAT.
YEAH. SO JUST SORT OF WRAPPING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR ARMS AROUND IT. RIGHT. SO. ADDITIONAL WE'RE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. SO CONVERSATION AROUND THIS AND THOUGHTS COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING FORWARD EVEN JUST THIS WEEK AS THE COMMITTEE GETS A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR TOMORROW AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION. DO YOU WANT THEIR DIRECTION TO BE THE DIRECTION THAT GUIDES HOW COLIN FINISHES THE STUDY AND PICKS WHICH TYPE, OR DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND DISCUSS IT ON THURSDAY? WHAT? I'D LIKE TO NOT JUST LOOK AT THEIR RECOMMENDATION, BUT LOOK AT THE REASONABLE. I WOULD ASSUME THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD COME BECAUSE YEAH, WITHOUT IT THERE'S NO POINT. YEAH, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH P AND Z FOR EXAMPLE, WE'LL GET THEIR MINUTES. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE MINUTES FROM TOMORROW'S MEETING READY TO, TO PRESENT AS OFFICIAL MINUTES ON THURSDAY. BUT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WHERE PAM BEING PRESENT AND PERHAPS, IF NECESSARY, CALL IN ON THE PHONE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP YOU HERE ALL WEEK. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT WHAT THE GIST OF THE CONVERSATION WAS LIKE. WE COULD PROBABLY GET A SENSE. SO IS IT APPROPRIATE AT THAT POINT FOR SOMEBODY THAT WAS IN THE ROOM TO TELL US, KIND OF GIVE US A BULLET POINT OF WHAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH.
AND THAT'S KOSHER. AND WE'RE NOT RUNNING AFOUL OF ANYTHING. OKAY. AND WE'LL WE'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION TOMORROW. WE'LL SEE IF WE'LL GET A FINAL MOTION ON THE REPORT TOMORROW.
YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS AGO IT TOOK TOOK A NUMBER OF MEETINGS TO SORT OF GET THROUGH THAT. AND SO WE'LL SEE IF WE GET FINAL. I THINK THERE WOULD BE INDICATION ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE HOUSING FEE. YOU KNOW, WHEN IS THE MEETING? THREE 3:00. SO IS IT. YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO GUARANTEE ANYTHING BUT BUT THEY WERE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT IT BY SIZE. SO I CAN PUT IT ON THURSDAY'S AGENDA. AND THEN WE CAN JUST TABLE IT IF WE FIND THAT THERE IS NOT A REAL HARD RECOMMENDATION UNTIL A FUTURE MEETING, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE TIME TO ADD IT TO A LATER WORK SESSION FOR OURSELVES. BUT IF THERE IS A REAL, YOU KNOW, ALIGNED SENTIMENT IN THERE, THEN WE COULD WE COULD DISCUSS IT ON THURSDAY. BECAUSE THE SOONER YOU HAVE A DIRECTION, THE SOONER YOU CAN FINISH THE REPORT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? NEVER HURTS TO PULL THINGS FROM THEM, BUT I, I INTEND ON ATTENDING THE
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IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING. SO WHEN YOU ATTEND THOSE, I HOPE THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT I NEVER I DO NOT PARTICIPATE, BUT I'M GOING TO. SO I FEEL LIKE WHATEVER WORKS FOR THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IS FINE, BECAUSE I WANT TO GO LISTEN TO THE I WANT TO HEAR THE I WANT TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T TRUST THAT WE WOULD GET IT. YOU KNOW, LIKE, I JUST I JUST DIDN'T. INTEREST IN THAT. AND I HAVE ATTENDED YOUR INFORMATION ISN'T AS IMPORTANT AS HOW THE ORDER IN WHICH WE PROCEED. SO THAT'S I WOULD LIKE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO. YEAH. TO SAY IS THAT THIS IS HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED. WELL, I GUESS THIS IS , THIS IS OUR ANTICIPATION OF CHANGING FROM SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY DEFINITION OF DWELLINGS HAVE ANY EFFECT ON. THIS DECISION BECAUSE THE IMPACT COMMITTEE HAS BEEN INTRODUCED TO THE NEW POTENTIAL DEFINITION IS CORRECT. BRIEFLY. YEAH. YEAH. THAT WAS GREAT AS AN OVERVIEW.AND THAT WAS ON FEBRUARY 28TH. AND WHAT WE SAID TO THEM IS IF THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE COLUMN PREPARED FOR TOMORROW AFTERNOON TO LET ME KNOW. AND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING BACK YET, SO IT MIGHT JUST STILL BE UNDER REVIEW BY SOME OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME LIKE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, SOMEBODY HAS SAT DOWN AND SAID, OKAY, HERE'S THE PUSHES AND PULLS OF BOTH OF THESE METHODS.
YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY OR SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT NECESSARILY TO DRAW TO BIAS THE DECISION, BUT JUST TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THESE ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF ONE STYLE. THESE ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF ANOTHER. THAT'S KIND OF I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT. YEAH. AND EVEN TO ADD FURTHER THAT AGAIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. BUT I THINK WE WERE ALSO BEFORE I STARTED DOING IMPACT FEES MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO, WE WERE DATA LIMITED ON DOING IT BY BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND SO ACTUALLY THE CENSUS INFORMATION HAS SORT OF CAUGHT UP. AND SO THAT I THINK THAT'S DATA AVAILABLE HAS ALSO INFLUENCED THE AVAILABILITY OF, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS OPTION.
RIGHT. BUT BUT STILL THAT'S MORE THAN I KNOW NOW. YEAH. YEAH. WELL I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD HAS BEEN TRYING TO DEFINE THE, THE IF IT'S MULTIFAMILY OR, OR TOWNHOME OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, THERE'S BEEN SOME ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT. AND THAT WOULD CERTAINLY SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. IT WAS BASED TOTALLY ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. YEAH. YEAH I THINK I'VE HEARD SOME POSITIVE REACTIONS AROUND THAT, THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOBODY NOBODY REALLY AGREES ON THE DEFINITIONS. YEAH. AND IMPORTANTLY TOO, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT IS, WELL, YOU MIGHT HAVE A THREE BEDROOM CONDO, YOU KNOW, THAT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN A ONE BEDROOM STUDIO. AND SO WE SHOULD DO IT BY SIZE BECAUSE THOSE DEMANDS LOOK VERY DIFFERENT. OR, YOU KNOW, 1200 SQUARE FOOT, SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW. SO THERE'S AN OLD COLLEAGUE. I SAID THIS AT A PREVIOUS COMMITTEE MEMBER COMMITTEE MEETING THAT HE'S A HE USED TO BE A PROFESSOR DOWN IN ARIZONA, AND HE WROTE A BOOK THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT ALL IN FACT, HE SHOULD GO BUY SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE OF ALL THE REASONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, I'M OKAY. IT'S NOT DEBATABLE. OKAY. YEAH. I'M INTERESTED MORE IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZE THAN I AM IN THE MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY. I MEAN, THAT'S I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT. I'M INTERESTED IN THAT. IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE COMMITTEE SAYS. I DO THINK THAT THE WORK AROUND SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HAS LED US TO IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FIRE SAFETY, I GUESS I GUESS SO IF THAT'S THE KIND OF THE OUTCOME IS THAT WE KNOW THAT ONE PERSON HAS THE SHUT OFF VALVE, LIKE, I THINK THAT THAT WORK WAS IMPORTANT JUST FOR THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING NEW PRODUCT. BUT I BUT I MOVED TOWARDS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
COLIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON HOW BUILDERS VIEW THOSE TWO? TYPES? THAT ANY STRUCTURE THAT SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS SQUARE FOOTAGE? YEAH, NOT TOO MUCH. YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE HISTORY AS WE USED TO DO. FIVE BEDROOMS, NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. BUT BUT THEY. BUT THERE'S A LOOPHOLE BECAUSE YOU COULD BUILD A DEN WITHOUT A DOOR. AND THEN AND NOW IT BECOMES A TWO BEDROOM. SO THE
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THREE BEDROOM. IT'S SO. YEAH, IT'S THE SORT OF REASON TO JUMP TO SQUARE FOOTAGE, I THINK ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, THEY'RE THINKING A LOT ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE ANYWAYS. LIKE THE BUILDING PERMITS ARE FIVE SQUARE FOOTAGE, LIKE VALUES, FIVE SQUARE FEET. SO I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY PUSHBACK ON THEM. LIKE NOT TOO HARD TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CONTEMPLATE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER END OF THAT. AND PROBABLY THERE'S NOT THAT MANY OF THOSE, BUT YOU CAN BUILD A PRETTY GOOD SIZED HOUSE AND HAVE A THREE BEDROOM HOME, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. YOU CAN BUILD A 5000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WITH THREE BEDROOMS. WHAT'S OUR CURRENT PRACTICE ON ADUS, WHICH IS EIGHT PARTS? ARE THEY EXEMPT OR ADUS? WHAT IS OUR CURRENT THREE BEDROOMS AND EIGHT MINUTES? CAN I ASK CITY ATTORNEY, COUNCILOR, COUNCILOR RADFORD IS ASKING ABOUT ADUS, THE ALTERNATIVE DWELLING UNITS. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE THAT IDENTIFIED IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DOING SOME WORK ON IT. WE DO NOT HAVE IT IDENTIFIED IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, AND IT'S KIND OF AN OPEN QUESTION ON WHAT WE WOULD CHARGE. SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN CHARGING IMPACT FEES FOR THOSE. I BELIEVE I WAS JUST IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY? DO YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'VE GOT MORE ON THERE? YEAH. AND I WAS JUST THE REASON I CAME UP. I WAS LOOKING FOR BEST PRACTICES VERSUS SQUARE FOOT. AND THEN ADUS CAME UP IN THE CONVERSATION THAT THE CITIES THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK ON HOUSING PRICES ARE DEFINITELY EXEMPTING ADUS. SO THAT'S INTERESTING. AND WE HAVEN'T WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD MANY PEOPLE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. I THINK WE'VE HAD 1 OR 2 PERMITS FOR THEM. SO BUT THEY'RE EXEMPT BY DEFAULT, NOT BY DESIGN OR NOT FACTO. NOT DE JURE. YEAH. SO OKAY. LET ME ASK THIS. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE GOING WITH THE DECISION THAT THE COMMITTEE MAKES? NO, NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE UNFAIR. BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION, WE ALMOST NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO THEM. COUNCIL IS LEANING TOWARDS THE SQUARE. FOOTAGE IS A MORE EQUITABLE. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD ALREADY HAPPEN WHEN THEY START THE MEETING TOMORROW, BUT DOESN'T I MEAN THEN SO THEN IT JUST LANDS ON ME TO LEARN WHAT HAPPENS IN TOMORROW'S MEETING, AND THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO KNOW HOW TO PROCEED. BUT GIVEN THE TIGHTNESS OF WHEN THAT MEETING IS BEING HELD AND WHEN WE HAVE TO GET THE AGENDA OUT TOMORROW, I MAY END UP PUTTING IT ON THERE. DON'T READ ANYTHING INTO IT, BECAUSE IT MAY BE THAT I PUT IT ON THERE BEFORE I KNOW THE OUTCOME OF THE MEETING, AND WE WILL JUST EITHER PULL IT OR JUST SAY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. WE'RE TABLING THIS UNTIL A FUTURE DISCUSSION. YEAH.THAT'S A REALLY YEAH, PUT IT ON THERE. SO DON'T READ ANYTHING INTO THAT PART OF THE AGENDA WHEN YOU GET IT TOMORROW EVENING OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT THAT WAS THE THING I WANTED TO KNOW MOST WAS DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO. AND THEN THE SECOND THING THAT'S HELPFUL IS THAT WE DEFINITELY THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS DEFINITELY CARE ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF THE DISCUSSION OR NOT THE OUTCOME, THE CONTENT OF TOMORROW'S DISCUSSION. AND ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? YEAH. IT'S NOT STRANGE. THEIR MEETING IS NOT STRANGE. NO. RIGHT. SO CHANCES ARE THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS. CONVERSATIONS WITH US BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THE DECISIONS ARE MADE. AND THEN THE NEXT TIME WE SEE YOU WILL PROBABLY BE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FINAL STUDY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. AND THAT IS, AS WE WERE TALKING, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ITEMS WHERE I THOUGHT, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE DIRECTOR AND FIND OUT WHY OR WHY WAS A PARTICULAR THING NOT INCLUDED OR INCLUDED. AND I THINK YOU HAD ONE WITH THE LIGHTING. AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO GET THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS FINALIZED SO THAT YOU HAVE CERTAINTY HERE.
WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ON THAT BEFORE IT STARTS GETTING TO BE CAUSING? WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE DELAYS. YEAH. GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD LOVE FOR THINGS TO BE FIRMED UP IN TWO WEEKS. SO I SORT OF HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN INPUT FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOMORROW. THERE'S SORT OF MATERIAL CHANGES THAT WE MAKE TO THEN HAVE A REPORT, SORT OF DRAFT FINAL REPORT READY BY TWO FRIDAYS FROM NOW OR SOONER, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT JUST SORT OF DEPENDING ON INTERNAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING. OKAY. SO ANY DATA CHANGES, ANY CONVERSATIONS YOU WANT TO HAVE WITH DIRECTORS GOT TO YOU KNOW, THAT THE SOONER THE BETTER. OKAY. GET TO IT. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE DID HAVE A REFRESH CONVERSATION, IF YOU WILL, SO LAST FRIDAY, LAST FRIDAY WE HAD ONE ON ONE VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE IMPACT
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FEE DIRECTORS ONE ON ONE, ONE ON ONE, JUST TO KIND OF REFRESH ANY OF THE PROJECTS, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, HAVE COLUMN, ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY IS, IS, IS, IS AS FRESH AS IT WAS ON FRIDAY. VERY GOOD. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WILL CLEAR UP ANYTHING OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YEAH I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YEAH.THANKS FOR THANKS FOR TEACHING I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. THANKS. SORRY. WE'RE SO WE LOVE THIS TIME. YEAH. THANK YOU. WELL YOU LEARNED A FEW THINGS. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY MORE OF THOSE I LOVE IMPACT FEE STICKERS. OH WELL, WE HAVE T-SHIRTS NOW. I CAN BRING YOU SOME T-SHIRTS NEXT TIME. I HEART I F YEAH. OH, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WE CAN TAKE A BREAK AND THEN
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COME BACK FOR A FEW MINUTES. OR WE CAN GO THROUGH OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL REPORTS AND THEN TAKE A BREAK BEFORE OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. I WOULD SUGGEST. YEAH, THAT WE DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME PASS THIS AROUND AND I'LL JUST MAKE A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS. LET'S SEE. WE CAN PASS ONE ON TO THE CLERK. SINCE WE'VE BEEN IN THIS MEETING, YOU'VE PROBABLY RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO WEDNESDAY MORNING, A PRESS CONFERENCE WEDNESDAY MORNING AT THE AIRPORT THAT WILL BE AT 930 IN THE MORNING. IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT. IT MIGHT BE RAINING. WELL, WE'LL BE INSIDE. OKAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS OTHER THINGS GO ON HERE, I TRIED TO UPDATE IT, BUT NOT NOT A LOT HAS CHANGED. LET'S SEE. I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE SPUD KINGS DID WIN THEIR FINAL ROUND, SO THEY ARE THE NATIONAL COLLEGIATE DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS FOR THE MOUNTAIN DIVISION, AND THEIR PLAYOFF WILL TAKE THEM TO NEW JERSEY. LET'S SEE APRIL 25TH THROUGH THE 29TH. SO IF THEY WIN THE NATIONALS, I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT WE GIVE THEM THE SAME TREATMENT THAT WE GAVE THE BANDITS. YEAH. SO I WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT SOME CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN, THAT WE CAN BE READY FOR THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT BY TAKING ANYTHING FOR GRANTED. SO WE'LL WE'LL JUST. BUT THERE'S NO GAMES. THEY DON'T PLAY ANY OF THOSE GAMES. THEY DON'T PLAY THOSE GAMES HERE. BUT NEXT YEAR IDAHO FALLS NOT NEW JERSEY. YEAH, IDAHO FALLS HOSTS THAT SERIES. SO THAT'LL BE REALLY EXCITING NEXT YEAR NO MATTER WHO'S IN THE FINALS. BUT IT'LL BE EVEN MORE EXCITING IF THE HOME TEAM'S IN THE FINALS NEXT YEAR. SO THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A TEAM THAT'S WORTH CHEERING ON.THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE. SO THEY COME IN AND THEY AGE OUT PRETTY QUICK RELATIVE TO WHAT, THREE YEARS FOUR YEARS IN THAT BRACKET. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A REAL WINNING TEAM THAT WILL HAVE SOME LONGEVITY HERE ANYWAY. JUST JUST KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CHEER THEM ON. AND THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS WILL BE OFFICIALLY POSTING SOME CONGRATS ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE PRETTY QUICK. SO. WITH THAT, I THINK WE'LL GO AROUND THE ROOM FOR SOME REPORTS. OH, JUST WANT TO UNDERLINE AIC IS EVER A WORKSHOP YOU WANTED TO SEE. THIS FRIDAY IS THE DEADLINE TO REQUEST IT. IF YOU GO ON TO THE WEBSITE, YOU'LL FIND THAT THE FORM THAT KIRA WANTS YOU TO USE FOR THAT. BUT OFTENTIMES I GET THERE AND I THINK, HOW COME THEY DIDN'T EVER INVOLVE THIS, YOU KNOW, ISSUE OR CITY TOPIC? SO FEEL FREE TO WEIGH IN WITH THAT.
I WILL TURN IT TO OUR CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR ANY LIAISON REPORTS OR UPDATES.
THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL LIAISON REPORTS THAT I CAN THINK OF RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THE ONLY THING IS THAT THE STATE IS PREPARING FOR THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF 1776 FOR NEXT SUMMER. SO THEY THEY MAKE SOME PLANS AND THERE IS SOMETHING HAPPENING ON FRIDAY STILL TO BE DETERMINED THAT THE STATE KNEW A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT, BUT ONLY ON FRIDAY. GOT IT OUT TO MUNICIPALITIES ABOUT PUTTING TWO LIGHTS IN CITY BUILDINGS OR COUNTY BUILDINGS OR WHATEVER TO REFERENCE THE PAUL REVERE RIDE. SO ANYWAY, THAT IT'S JUST SOMETHING ON THE RADAR FOR, YOU KNOW, GETTING A COMMITTEE TOGETHER, WHATEVER ALL OF THAT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE IT'S GOING TO, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE CITY OR IN THE STATE, IT WILL EITHER BE A REALLY BIG DEAL
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OR NOT SO MUCH OF A BIG DEAL. BUT ARE THEY DOING THE TWO LIGHTS THIS YEAR, THIS WEEKEND, ON FRIDAY OR THIS WEEKEND ON SATURDAY? IS IT FRIDAY IS THAT IT SHOULD BE THE 19TH? I THINK OF APRIL. OH SO GOOD. YEAH. THERE'S A SO THAT'S THE TWO. THERE'S A TWO LIGHT AND THEY MIGHT BE DOING SOMETHING ON THE COUNTY COURT STEP. SO ANYWAY THAT'S THAT'S COMING UP. IT STRIKES ME, COUNCIL PRESIDENT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY THE SONS OF EXCUSE ME SORRY, THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. AND I FORGOT WHAT THE SONS OF NOT THE SONS OF ANARCHY. WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? LIBERTY. SONS OF LIBERTY? IS THAT WHAT THE. THERE'S A NAME FOR THE MALE COUNTERPART I GET. I CAN LOOK IT UP BY GETTING MAIL FROM THEM FROM TIME TO TIME. BUT ANYWAY, THEY ALREADY EXIST. AND IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING MAYBE TO INVOLVE THEM IN SOME OF OUR ALLOW THEM TO HELP TAKE SOME OF THE LEADERSHIP. I DID SIGN UP FOR A OH, A NOTIFICATION OR A GROUP OF SOME KIND FOR THIS VERY THING, BUT THEY'VE BEEN SENDING A LOT OF THINGS AND I THOUGHT, WHAT DID I SIGN UP FOR? AND I'VE BEEN GETTING LOTS OF STUFF. SO I PROBABLY OVERLOOKED THIS VERY ANNOUNCEMENT THAT LISA'S TALKING ABOUT. WHEN I GOT INTO MY INBOX ON FRIDAY, BECAUSE I JUST WAS THINKING, OH YEAH, I'LL READ IT LATER. AND SO ANYWAY, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS AN ASSIGNMENT FOR THE 19TH, SO BUT IT WOULD BE THE NIGHT OF THE 18TH, RIGHT? BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE IT SAYS AMERICA'S 250 IN IDAHO. THE EVENT ON FRIDAY, APRIL 18TH AT 12 P.M. SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT IN THE AFTERNOON COMMEMORATING PAUL REVERE'S RIDE, WHICH HAPPENED AT 12 A.M.THE NIGHT OF THE 18TH, TURNING INTO THE 19TH. SO HOW IT MIGHT WORK? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, THE 19TH WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BATTLE OF LEXINGTON AND CONCORD. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
OKAY, OKAY, SO IT IS SOMETHING ON THE RADAR THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE START. SO WHO'S WHO'S GOING TO DO THIS? I MEAN, WELL, THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION. THAT'S WHY IT'S GETTING ON THE RADAR. SHOW UP ON THE STEPS OF CITY HALL AT 1230. OH, I DON'T THINK I MEAN, NOBODY ON CITY HALL. I DON'T THINK WE'RE PLANNING ANYTHING. THE COUNTY I THINK DOUG TOOMER IS ONE THAT MIGHT, TO YOUR POINT, MIGHT BE ONE THAT IS INTERESTED IN DOING SOME OF THE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THAT THE TWO POLITICAL MAIN POLITICAL PARTIES WOULD WANT TO COMBINE. I DON'T LIKE I'M SAYING I, I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE INTO THE COSMOS THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.
AND THE FIRST WE'RE HEARING ABOUT IT AND THERE WILL BE AN EVENT KIND OF KICKING IT OFF ON FRIDAY. I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE. I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THE CITY'S ANYTHING BE DICTATED BY POLITICAL PARTY BECAUSE THE CITY IS NONPARTISAN. SO I'M GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE EMAIL AND MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY ON FRIDAY. BUT GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE MANY MORE EVENTS TO COMMEMORATE AS WE APPROACH THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY THAT WE HAVE INPUT FROM WHATEVER APPROPRIATE HISTORICAL OR CIVIC MINDED GROUPS MIGHT THAT MIGHT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE TWO LIGHTS IN THE ELEVATOR SHAFT ON THE THIRD FLOOR. YEAH, YOU KNOW, LIGHT THEM UP AT MIDNIGHT OR THE WINDOW OF MY OFFICE AND THE WINDOW FROM THE TREASURER'S NOT TREASURER, WHATEVER THAT CASHIER'S OFFICE ARE TO THE TWO WINDOWS. THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION. SO WE HAVE OR UPSTAIRS WINDOWS, WE HAVE SOME, SOME THINGS GOING ON THE OFFICE AND BROOKE'S OFFICE. BUT ANYWAY, SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO COMPLY WITH JUST FRIDAY. WE'LL GET THROUGH THAT AND WE'LL TRY TO DO IT IN A CLASSY WAY. BUT THEN BEYOND THAT, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT OR IDEAS, PLEASE LET ME OR LET LISA KNOW SO THAT WE CAN CREATE AN APPROPRIATE COMMEMORATION PLAN.
THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THAT BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, AND THEN I WENT AND SCRIBBLED IT DOWN AND FORGOT. SO THANK YOU, COUNCILOR, COUNCILOR FREEMAN, ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LISA. I AND I HOPE YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I MIGHT ON A CALENDAR. WE HAVE THE MPO ON WEDNESDAY. IT SHOULD BE TACK.
TACK MET THIS WEEK OKAY. SO THIS IS WHAT I DO NOT HAVE THE MPO ON WEDNESDAY OKAY OKAY. SO THAT IT IS NOT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS CALENDAR, BUT IT'S NOT ON OUR CALENDAR. I'VE SEEN AN AGENDA. NO, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THE AT OUR LAST BOARD MEETING, WE HAD A LOT OF COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO WERE UNHAPPY WITH THE I'M NOT TALKING SORRY WITH WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF CITY PEOPLE, INCLUDING IDAHO FALLS, YUKON AND IONA VOTING FOR A PLAN. OH, AND VOTING FOR A PLAN
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WITHOUT COUNTY REPRESENTATION. AND SO THEY ARE MEETING THEY'VE HAD THEY'RE HOLDING TWO SEPARATE TAC MEETINGS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KIND OF ADDRESS THE ISSUE. WE DO NOT HAVE A BMO MEETING THIS WEEK. OKAY. SO I HAVEN'T SEEN AN AGENDA. OKAY. JUST A FRIVOLOUS NOTE THAT SUNDAY IS THE LAST DAY FOR SKIING LIFT SERVED IN EASTERN IDAHO, BECAUSE GRAND TARGHEE WILL BE CLOSING. IT'S THEIR LAST DAY THIS WEEKEND FOR THE SEASON. YEAH. OKAY. AWESOME. GREAT. COUNSELOR. REVEREND, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN CLEAN UP THE ZOO. DAYS IS ALWAYS A REALLY FUN THING. IT'S ON THE 19TH AT 9 A.M. IT'S SATURDAY AGAIN. SO IF YOU'RE NOT UP ALL NIGHT WITH PAUL REVERE, YOU CAN SHOW UP AT THE ZOO. OR PAUL REVERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A BALL. OKAY, COUNCILOR FRANCIS, I JUST HAVE A FEW THINGS JUST FOR PEOPLE'S CALENDARS. THE JUNETEENTH ORGANIZING COMMITTEE IS AGAIN PLANNING ANOTHER DOUBLE DAY CELEBRATION SATURDAY, THE 14TH AT RIVERWALK BAND SHELTER.IT'S A MUSIC FESTIVAL. AND THEN ON THE 19TH, THE ACTUAL HOLIDAY AT THE COLONIAL. ANOTHER TRIBUTE AND THE CENTERPIECE OF THAT WILL BE INFLUENCE OF AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSIC ON THE 20TH CENTURY.
THAT'S IN THE EVENING, 30 TO 7. SO THE PLANNING IS GOING FORWARD AND THAT AS I GET MORE DETAILS, I'LL TRY TO LET YOU KNOW. BUT WHICH DAY AT THE BANDSHELL? THE 14TH SATURDAY. OKAY. WE'RE HOPING YOU'LL DO ANOTHER PROCLAMATION WITH MAYOR COLETTI. OKAY. AND LET'S SEE ALSO, JUST BEYOND THE CITY ITSELF, THE, WELL, CITY GOVERNMENT ITSELF, TOMORROW, DISTRICT 91 IS HAVING A WHAT THEY CALL ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING OF A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE. AND I'M TRYING TO GET SOME IDEAS FOR THE DIRECTION THEY'RE HEADED OVER THE NEXT IN THE FUTURE. AND THEY ASKED FOR A CITY PERSON TO BE THERE. SO I'LL BE THERE AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY COME UP WITH OR WHAT THEY DO THAT INVOLVES US. AND LAST THING FROM PUBLIC WORKS. I THINK WE PROBABLY SAW IT ON THE EMAIL, THE OR ALERTS, BUT SELF CAPITAL IS ABOUT TO BE TORN UP FOR FOUR WEEKS. I BELIEVE, AS JB CONCRETE PUTS THAT PIPE ACROSS THE STREET AND IT WILL AFFECT PARKING AT POWER ALSO. OKAY.
THANK YOU. THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO REMIND CITIZENS THAT THEY CAN ALWAYS AND THEY SHOULD, IF THEY HAVE THEIR COMMUTES, GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE ON THE PUBLIC WORKS PAGE, AND THEY CAN GET A MAP OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
IF YOU CLICK ON THE LITTLE COLOR CODED SECTIONS OF THE MAP, YOU WILL GET INFORMATION ON THE PROJECT, PURPOSE AND DURATION. AND IF PEOPLE AREN'T SIGNED UP FOR IT, THAT ALERT THING REALLY WORKS WELL WITH TEXT AND EMAIL THE CITY PUTS OUT. AND THEY DID SAY ACCESS TO THE LIBRARY WILL STILL BE OPEN, BUT I THINK YOU'LL BE COMING IN ON WHAT IS THAT PARK? PARK OFF OF CLIFF OR OFF BROADWAY, I DID PRETTY MUCH ALL RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE IT BACK TO YOU? NO. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE HEARD. OKAY. YEAH. SATURDAY, THE APRIL APRIL 26TH, FROM 11 A.M. TO 5 P.M. IS A FREE COMMUNITY EVENT FOR DIA DEL NINO, WHICH IS THE DAY OF THE CHILDREN FOR THE HISPANIC CHAMBERS HISPANIC COUNCIL. AND IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE BONNEVILLE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, 11 TO 5 BOUNCE HOUSES, YOU KNOW, INFLATABLES, FACE PAINTING, KIT VENDORS. AND I JUST WHEN WE CAN SUPPORT THESE INTEGRATED KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES YOUR YOUR JUNETEENTH MAYBE. DON'T YOU REMEMBER YOUR PARENTS SAYING WHENEVER YOU WOULD SAY MOTHER'S DAY, FATHER'S DAY, GIFT DAY, I'D SAY EVERY DAY IS KIDS DAY. WELL, HERE WE GO. THIS IS A CHANCE TO CELEBRATE. ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR LAWSON, ANYTHING FOR THE GROUP. I LEARNED TODAY THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THERE'S A POLICE VERSION OF THAT WHERE YOU CAN SEE CRIME IN VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, AREAS, AND YOU CAN EVEN DEFINE AN AREA, DRAW A BOX AND SAY, WHAT'S IN THAT? AND THEN YOU CAN GET ALERTS. NOW THEY'RE DELAYED A DAY 72 HOURS. YEAH, 72 HOUR DELAY. SO THEY'RE NOT. COMPROMISING ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEN AGAIN, THE WORD ON THE WEBSITE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU JUST MADE ME REALIZE THAT I HAVE NOT SENT
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TO YOU THE WEEKLY REPORT FROM THE CHIEF. I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME AT MY DESK TODAY TO DO THAT. TYPICALLY, I GET IT AND I FORM AND REFORMAT IT JUST A LITTLE BEFORE I SEND IT OUT TO YOU. AND I DIDN'T DO THAT ON MY I CAN'T DO IT NEARLY AS EFFECTIVELY ON MY PHONE, AND SO I HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET IT BEFORE THE DAY IS OVER. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE BREAK? I JUST GOT AN EMAIL MESSAGE FROM THE FIRE CHIEF. THAT SAYS THE PLAQUES ARE NOW ON THE NINE OVER 11 MEMORIAL. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THEM. OH, OKAY. AND WHEN WILL THE WATER BE TURNED ON, CHIEF 17. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S VERY NICE. OKAY. AND THOSE PLAQUES ARE THEN, LIKE OUT FOR THE ELEMENTS TO TOUCH. YEAH. OKAY. THEY'RE WEATHERPROOF I SUPPOSE. BRONZE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THAT'LL BE FUN TO SEE THEN. COME THURSDAY. ALL RIGHT.[Executive Session]
WELL HAPPY TAX DAY TOMORROW. AND WITH THAT THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE THAT OR WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION I MOVE COUNCIL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION CALLED PURSUANT TO THE PROVISION OF IDAHO CODE SECTION 742061J TO CONSIDER LABOR CONTRACT MATTERS AUTHORIZED UNDER IDAHO CODE SECTION 74206A, ONE A AND B, AND ALSO PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF IDAHO CODE, SECTIONS SEVEN, 42061F TO COMMUNICATE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE PUBLIC AGENCY TO DISCUSS THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF AND LEGAL OPTIONS FOR PENDING LITIGATION OR CONTROVERSIES NOT YET BEING LITIGATED, BUT IMMINENTLY LIKELY TO BE LITIGATED. AND COUNSEL WILL NOT RECONVENE AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND. WHAT A NICE MOTION. WITH THAT, THE CITY CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL FOR US. BERNARD SHAW. YES, FRANCIS A FREEMAN.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.