[Call to Order and Roll Call]
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          ALL RIGHT. WE'VE JUST GONE LIVE, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND WE'LL INVITE OUR CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. COUNCILOR DINGMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR. 
          FREEMAN. HERE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW. HERE. COUNCILOR. RADFORD. PRESENT. COUNCILOR. 
          FREEMAN. OH. JUST KIDDING. COUNCILOR FRANCIS. HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON. HERE. YOU HAVE A QUORUM, MAYOR. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR BEING HERE. BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THE AGENDA, I WANTED TO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THE THIRD ITEM, WHICH IS THE FOCUS REPORT FROM HUMAN RESOURCES, IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY. WE NEED TO PULL THAT OFF OF OUR AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET IT RESCHEDULED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, POSSIBLY EVEN NEXT TIME. THAT'S BECAUSE DARREN JONES, OUR DIRECTOR FOR HUMAN RESOURCES, IS ILL. HE HAD THIS WONDERFUL VACATION PLANNED LAST WEEK THAT WAS SCHEDULED LONG, LONG AGO. 
          AND HE AND HIS WIFE, IT WAS, I THINK, AN ANNIVERSARY TRIP, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THEY BOTH DID NOT DO WELL. YEAH. AND FLU. PLUS HE HAD ORCHITIS OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE'S MEDICAL CONDITIONS, BUT HE'S NOT DOING WELL. AND IT JUST WOULDN'T WORK FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TODAY. AND SO WE WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE THE GIFT OF 45 MINUTES THAT WE'LL ALL USE WHEN WE GO OUT TODAY. BUT I WANTED TO INFORM YOU OF THAT. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A FORMAL ACTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA. I THINK IT'S JUST THE COOKIE CRUMBLES, RIGHT? IT'S THE WAY IT GOES. SHE'S NOT HERE. SO I'LL TELL YOU THAT WE WILL RESCHEDULE. AND 
          [Municipal Services]
WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT. WE'VE GOT OUR TREASURER'S MARK HAGEDORN. WE'VE GOT BROOKS SLIDER HERE, AND WE'VE GOT THEIR BOSS, THE DIRECTOR KEN ALEXANDER. AND SO WE THEY NEED TO GO FIRST. MARK IS NEEDED ELSEWHERE. AND SO WE'VE ALLOTTED ABOUT AN HOUR FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. AND WE'RE ANXIOUS TO LEARN FROM YOU AND ALSO INCLUDES AN AUDIT UPDATE. 
          AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCILOR FRANCIS HAD WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE STARTED TO INCLUDE. JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE TOUCH BASE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE AUDIT WHEN WE HAVE THESE QUARTERLY REPORTS. AND SO FOR AT LEAST WHEN IT'S RELEVANT FOR CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR, IT MAY NOT BE AS RELEVANT. SO WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'LL ASK YOU TO TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO DIRECTOR ALEXANDER. IT'S ALL YOURS. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ALREADY IN THE FIRST QUARTER. AND WE'VE HAD A BUSY ONE AT THAT, AS YOU'LL SEE. SO AS THE MAYOR'S MENTIONED, WE HAVE OUR CITY TREASURER, MARK HAGEDORN HERE. HE'S GOING TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT ON THE INVESTMENTS AND WHAT OUR CASH BALANCES LOOK LIKE. AND AS YOU KNOW, DOES A VERY THOROUGH JOB ON THAT. AND HE'LL HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO GO OVER WITH YOU. THIS ACTUALLY ALSO IS A POST UPDATE POST THE INVESTMENT COMMITTEE. 
          THE COMMITTEE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AT LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE. SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TO GET SOME INPUT ON THAT PRESENTATION THAT DID OCCUR AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE BROOKS HERE. SHE IS OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE MANAGER. AND SHE'S GOING TO FOCUS A LOT ON THE BUDGET TO ACTUALS AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THAT. SO WITH. I'M SORRY. MARK IS DOING. OKAY. WELL IT'S GOING TO BE A TAG TEAM EFFORT. HOW ABOUT THAT. SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THIS AFTERNOON CASH BALANCES THE INVESTMENT REPORT. WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER A CITYWIDE ANALYSIS OF GENERAL FUND ANALYSIS. THAT'S THE BUDGET. TO ACTUAL PIECE. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A REAL BRIEF UPDATE ON THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT. IF YOU RECALL, WE DID HAVE A DEADLINE OF OBLIGATION DECEMBER 31ST OF 2024. SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, TO GIVE YOU AN AUDIT UPDATE. SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE MARK TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TREASURER DUTIES THAT HE HAS IN KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THE CASH AT THE CITY. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND OVER THE MIC. THANK YOU. OKAY. LET'S TALK YOUR FAVORITE SUBJECT WHICH IS FINANCES AND CASH. WE SHOULD ALL DO A DANCE WHEN WE GET THERE. 
          SO, SO JUST TO TALK ABOUT OUR INCREASE IN CASH AS YOU CAN HONESTLY START AT THE BOTTOM HERE. THERE WE GO. YES. SO THIS IS HOW FOR THE THIRD, THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR, THIS IS THE BALANCES AS THEY WERE. AND. THIS IS THE PERIOD WHICH WE RATE OURSELVES AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE DOING. DECEMBER IS USUALLY THE LOWEST MONTH OF CASH FOR A YEAR. AND SO THIS IS THE PERIOD THAT WE'RE KIND OF READY TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING. AND SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH JUST A FEW THINGS TO 
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HIGHLIGHT HOW WE'RE DOING. BUT OVERALL CASH IS INCREASING. AND I'LL GO INTO THAT LATER ON IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION. BUT MOST OF THAT IS ON THE ENTERPRISE SIDE. SO JUST REAL QUICK I'LL GO THROUGH HERE RIGHT HERE'S POWER AND WENT UP 10 MILLION FROM FROM LAST YEAR. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH SOME OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THE TIMING OF DRAWS AND BONDS. GENERAL FUND PRETTY FLAT LAST THREE YEARS. JUST INCREMENTAL INCREASING WHICH IS GOOD TO SEE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN. BUT IT'S NOT ALSO NOT SHOWING THAT WE'RE WE'RE HAVING BIG GAINS. THAT'S BECAUSE WE BUDGET ON PROPERTY TAXES. THE ONLY REALLY WAY TO BUDGET BIG GAINS WOULD BE TO NOT BUDGET ALL YOUR PROPERTY TAXES. RIGHT. AND YOU JUST TAKE THEM IN AS A RESERVE. BUT A BIG GOOD STORY IS STREETS. THIS CASH HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE OF THE STATE AND HOW THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE ROLLED OUT ON GIVING MORE TO MUNICIPALITIES FOR STREET WHERE I WOULD NOT COUNT THAT FOR THE FUTURE, BUT FOR THE PAST. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. RECREATION WAS NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE. THAT'S A GOOD SIGN. THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN. IT CAME FORWARD WAS TO GET THEM OUT OF NEGATIVE CASH FLOW. THAT SEEMS TO BE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THAT BEING SAID, GOLF HERE IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AN AREA WITHIN GOLF THAT WE CAN THAT COULD BE THERE COULD BE SOME MISREPORTING. SO WE'RE INVESTIGATING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEY HAVE A BALL MACHINE. THAT MONEY'S COMING INTO THE BANK. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO TRACE IT FROM THE BANK TO THE GENERAL LEDGER. AND THAT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'VE TAKEN ON WITH A REQUEST TO DIRECTOR HOLMES AND THE GOLF PRO TO. SO WE'RE MAPPING THAT. THAT COULD HELP ON THE SWING THERE. ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK IS GOOD TO POINT OUT THAT TERRIBLE EYESIGHT. 
          OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP SHOWING THIS AMBULANCES WAS AS AS A NEGATIVE. IT'S NOW IN THE POSITIVE. THAT IS A VERY GOOD SIGN. WE'VE TURNED THE CORNER ON THAT. DUANE HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF MANAGING THOSE RESOURCES. AT ONE POINT WE WERE IN THE NEGATIVE CLOSER TO 2 MILLION. WE CLAWED BACK OUT AND NOW WE'RE IN THE POSITIVE. SO THAT IS A GOOD STORY TO TELL. MARK, ON THE SELF-INSURANCE FUND, NUMBER 20 IS THAT IT'S GOING UP DUE TO INTEREST. SO RIGHT HERE. SO FUND 20 WE HAVE 4 TO 8 THAT THAT RIGHT THERE. YEAH. NO THAT HAS TO DO WITH HOW WE'RE ALLOCATING RESOURCES. THAT'S NOT THAT ONE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CSC HERE. WANT TO TELL THAT THIS RIGHT HERE WE'RE STABILIZATION. THAT HAS TO DO THE STABILIZATION. PART OF THAT BIG INCREASE IS WE ASK COUNCIL AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH SOME OF OUR SAVINGS IN GENERAL FUND? PART OF THAT WENT TO THAT FUND AT THE STABILIZATION, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 600,000. OKAY. MOVED THERE. THAT'S WHAT ADDED TO IT. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY HEALTH SAVINGS CONTRIBUTION. SAVINGS. FROM YOU. JUST SO THAT'S IN THAT FUND NOW. CORRECT. AND THAT'S THE ONE WE CAN USE TO KIND OF. THAT'S CORRECT. BALANCE OUT OKAY OKAY OKAY. OH YOU CAN SEE IMPACT FEES. THIS IS THE DISCUSSION. YOU CAN SEE STREETS JUMPED UP SIGNIFICANTLY HERE ON CASH. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE TIMING OF PAYMENTS OF IMPACT FEES. THIS RIGHT HERE THIS CASH THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE BOND THAT THE POLICE STATION BOND IS A COPY IS A REIMBURSEMENT. SO WE SPEND IT FIRST THEN PAY US BACK. SO THAT'S A TIMING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY'VE PAID VERSUS WHAT WE REQUESTED. AND THAT ONE IS WRAPPING UP. WE JUST HAVE A FEW LITTLE ITEMS LEFT. AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO CLOSE THAT BOND OUT. RIGHT NOW WE DID CONTRACT WITH AN ARBITRATOR. ARBITRATION ARBITRATOR. ARBITRATION. YEAH. YEAH. TO CALCULATE WHAT IS OUR DUE BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE YOU CAN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT GAIN ON A TAX BOND. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF AND IT'S AND IT'S COMMON TO HAVE A RECONCILIATION OR REVIEW, IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU HAVE A MULTI-MILLION MULTI-YEAR PROJECT LIKE THAT, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HIRE A NEUTRAL PARTY TO GO IN AND LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. SO THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY A BEST PRACTICE. SO THAT'S OUR HIGH LEVEL REVIEW OF CASH BALANCES. IS THERE ANY QUESTION 
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ON CASH BALANCES? CAN YOU REMIND ME WHY AIRPORT CFC BECAME A FUND IN 2024. SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT IT'S A COLLECTION THAT PEOPLE PAY A PER UNIT FEE FOR LIKE RENTAL CARS. AND SO IT'S A NEW PROGRAM THAT WAS STARTED. SO IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A NEW PROGRAM, NOT A PROGRAM. IT WAS A NEW OKAY, NEW PROGRAM. THANK YOU. QUESTION ON IMPACT FEES IS, IS ANY OF THAT GROWTH DUE TO THE PAUSE ON SPENDING AND IF SO, ANY FEEL FOR HOW MUCH THAT IMPACT IS? RIGHT NOW? WE CONTINUE TO HAVE ACTIVITY. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A SHIFT IS MORE MULTI-FAMILY ACTIVITY THAN SINGLE FAMILY. BUT WE CONTINUE TO ASSESS THOSE IMPACT FEES. IT JUST WE'RE JUST NOT SPENDING THEM. WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING UP IN PART BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SPENDING THEM. WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST IS A LOT OF OUR STREET PROJECTS ARE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COLLECT A FEW, YOU KNOW, A FEW DOLLARS. THE ONLY ONES WE SPEND IT ON ARE JUST SOME SMALLER PROJECTS, SUCH AS LIKE A $50,000 PATHWAY PROJECT. SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN ANY LARGE PROJECTS WITH IMPACT FEES APPROVED AT THIS TIME. OKAY, GREAT. ANYWHERE IN HERE, DO WE SHOW WHAT GOLF HOLES FOR THE IRRIGATION PROJECT AT PINE CREST? OH, THIS IS JUST CASH BALANCES. IT COULD BE THERE. IT WOULD BE UNDER A DO DO DO FRONT. WE DON'T HAVE IT PRESENTED IN THESE SLIDES, BUT I CAN GOING FORWARD. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO IF YOU WANT TO COMPREHEND, YOU WANT TO JUST HAVE US TO LIST OUT THE ALL THE INTERNAL LOANS AND THE REPORT ON THEM QUARTERLY. WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, IF YOU DON'T MIND. NO. WE CAN ADD THAT TO OUR NEXT QUARTER OR NEXT QUARTER. AND WHEN I SAY WE, I MEANT BROOKS. SO. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE. TO OKAY. OKAY. JUST WANT TO GO OVER THIS HIGH LEVEL GOAL AGAIN ON THE CASH FLOW. HOW WE COMPARE FROM YEAR TO YEAR. YOU CAN SEE CITY WIDE EACH YEAR THOSE NUMBERS GO UP. AND I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW I CHOSE TERRIBLE COLORS BECAUSE THEY LOOK THE SAME. BUT THEY GO IN SEQUENTIAL YEAR. SO BLUE WOULD BE FOUR YEARS AGO, AND THEN THE RED WAS 2023 AND THEN 2024, THEN 2025. 
          AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT ON MY SCREEN THAT LOOKS GREAT HERE. SO MUCH SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THE COLORS ARE UPDATED SO THAT MORE AND MORE CONTRASTED. BUT THINGS LOOK GOOD. AND RIGHT HERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A HUGE JUMP. THIS JUMP IS ATTRIBUTED TO TWO FACTORS. FACTOR NUMBER ONE IS WE GOT THE AIRPORT PAYMENT IN WHICH WAS I THINK 12 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT WITH THE LAST PAYMENT, SO SEVERAL MILLION. SO THAT WAS A HUGE THING IN SEPTEMBER AS WELL AS POWER DREW DOWN PART OF ITS BOND THAT DROVE DOWN ABOUT 12 MILLION IN SEPTEMBER FOR THAT FIRST PART OF THAT BOND DRAWDOWN. SO THAT ALL HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A HUGE JUMP. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING DON'T EXPECT TO SEE THAT HERE TO SEE SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR I WOULD EXPECT TO BE LOWER. YEAH. YES I MEAN IT WILL BE. THE INCREASE WOULD BE WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH. IT'LL BE SLIGHTLY BECAUSE CASH BILLS UNLESS WE SPEND OUR SPEND IN IT. SO. OKAY THAT'S CITYWIDE GENERAL FUND. GENERAL FUND. AGAIN WE HAD WE HAD SOME TAX PAYMENTS WORK THAT THAT WERE DELAYED LAST YEAR. WE HAD ON SEPTEMBER. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECEMBER, BUT I WANT TO SHOW THE FLOW IN SEPTEMBER. THE STATE FILED ITS CONTRIBUTION TO THE TAX RELIEF PROGRAM. SO THAT PAYMENT CAME IN SEPTEMBER INSTEAD OF IN THE CORRECT MONTH THAT IT USUALLY COME. SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A JUMP IN SEPTEMBER. BUT THAT QUICKLY CAME DOWN BECAUSE WE ALSO SPEND A LOT IN THE FIRST QUARTER. BUT WE'RE AGAIN IN A GOOD POSITION BECAUSE WE'RE INCREASING AND NOT DECREASING. WE GET OUR LARGEST PAYMENT IN JULY AND JANUARY ARE THE TWO TAX PAYMENTS. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE SPIKES IN THOSE MONTHS. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU SEE THIS WAVE EFFECT ON THE ANNUAL VIEW. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TWO GRAPHS? THE NEXT PAGE IS 
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JUST THE DATA FOR YOU TO CONSUME. I WASN'T PLANNING ON TALKING ABOUT THAT. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE INVESTMENT REPORT. BUT IT WILL BE IN OUR REPORT. LIKE AS YOU THIS ONE, THIS IS JUST THE DATA THAT MAKES THE GRAPH RIGHT. SO BUT IT'LL BE IN THAT REPORT OKAY. AND THAT REPORT IT'S IN THE POWERPOINT IN THE AS IT GETS DROPPED INTO THE COUNCIL FOLDER BECAUSE. WHICH I THINK IS THERE NOW. RIGHT. YOU HAVE A HARD COPY IN FRONT OF YOU NOW. NOT YET I YOU HAVE I'M SORRY. NO, BUT I'LL, I'LL PUT IT IN OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT YET. 
          OKAY. SO WE HAD OUR INVESTMENT. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ASSESSMENTS. SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT MORE TALK ABOUT THE HIERARCHY AND THEN THE REPORT ON EACH HIERARCHY ELEMENT. SO WITHIN IN THE INVESTMENTS WE FOCUS ON SAFETY THEN LIQUIDITY THEN YIELD AND THAT ORDER. AND SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE HOW WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE DO SAFETY HOW WE'RE DOING LIQUIDITY. AND THEN YIELD IS JUST THE LAST ELEMENT THERE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SAFETY, YOU TALK ABOUT DIVERSIFYING YOUR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO. YOU COULD GO HEAVY INTO ONE SECTOR AND THAT WOULD BE TREASURIES. BECAUSE TREASURIES IS YOUR MOST SECURE INVESTMENT, BECAUSE IT'S BACKED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. HOWEVER, TREASURY ALSO HAS THE LOWER TENDS TO HAVE THE LOWER YIELD. AND SO WE LIKE TO BLEND THOSE TO MAXIMIZE OUR YIELD, BUT ALSO FOCUSING ON MAINTAINING A HIGH STANDARD FOR SAFETY AND MAKING SURE INVESTMENTS ARE AVAILABLE. SO ON HERE. TREASURY, BACKED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. IT'S SAFE IN THAT REGARDS. THE MONEY MARKET IS ALSO BACKED BY WHAT IS CALLED AN WHICH IS AN INSTANT INSURED LIQUIDITY, WHICH MEANS THEY INVEST IN CDS, CDS THAT AS LONG AS THEY'RE MAINTAINED AT 250,000 OR LESS, ARE FDIC INSURED. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MONEY MARKET DOES. OUR OTHER CDS ARE EITHER FDIC INSURED OR THEY HAVE A SEPARATE INSURANCE POLICY TO COVER THOSE. SO THEN IN THE CASE THAT THEY DEFAULT, THERE IS A SOMETHING BEHIND IT THAT SAFEGUARDS IT FROM US HAVING ANY LOSS. AGENCIES ARE BACKED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT BY PRINCIPLE, BUT NOT BY NAME, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY DON'T SAY THEY DON'T PUT THEIR NAME ON IT. THEY JUST SAY WE WON'T LET THEM FAIL. AND MOST OF THOSE AGENCIES ARE MORTGAGE BASED. YOU SEE FREDDIE MAE, FREDDIE MAC AND FANNIE MAE KIND OF AGENCIES. AND THEN HERE YOU HAVE BONDS AND BONDS ARE WE'RE REFERRING TO THEY'RE TECHNICALLY ALL BONDS, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CORPORATES. AND THOSE CORPORATES. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD TO FOLLOW. AND THAT IS HOW THEY'RE RATED. SO THE POLICY SAYS THAT WE TRY TO PURCHASE DOUBLE-A RATED WHICH MEANS THERE'S A THERE'S A RANKING SYSTEM. I PROBABLY SHOULD PUT IT UP THERE. BUT THAT GOES FROM A TRIPLE-A DOWN TO C'S. WE TRY TO KEEP ALL OURS AND A'S. IF THEY GET DOWN INTO THE B SECTION, THEN WE REVIEW IT AND SEE IF WE NEED TO MOVE THOSE TO PROTECT OUR INTEREST. AND SO THIS WAS EVERY AUDIT WE HAVE TO PRESENT OUR RATINGS. SO THIS IS OFF OUR DRAFT AUDIT OF WHAT OUR RATINGS ARE. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST OF OURS ARE A RATED. WE DO HAVE A FEW IN THE B RANGE. THOSE WE HAVE REVIEWED AND DEALT WITH SINCE THE, SINCE WE ANALYZED THE RATING. TYPICALLY IF THE BROKERS THEY MONITOR HELP MONITOR THE RATINGS GOING TO A SPECIAL TERMINAL TO RESEARCH THE RATINGS, OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO A SITE. SO I USE OUR I USE A FREE SITE PLUS OUR BROKER TO MAINTAIN THAT WHEN THEY CHANGE THEY CAN UPDATE AND WHAT THEY ARE. AND SO THEN WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM. AND THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD AT MAKING SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE RATING CHANGES ARE. AND IS THAT HOW THOSE GOT THERE WAS THEY WERE PURCHASED AS A HIGHER RATE AND THEY, THEY SLEPT. AND SO THEN WE HAVE TO DECIDE. YEAH. SO WHEN A ENTITY BECOMES UNDER FINANCIAL DISTRESS, THAT'S WHEN THEY GET DOWNGRADED. BUT THEY THOSE, THOSE RATINGS AREN'T IMMEDIATE. THEY CAN HAPPEN OVER TIME. TYPICALLY AN AGENCY GETS RATED ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR. AND IF I COULD AND IF I COULD ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO WE HAD MULTIPLE BROKERS. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MARK AND JOSH ARE FORMER CITY TREASURER HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB IS REALLY LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF BROKERS WE WORK WITH. AND THAT MAKES THINGS LIKE THIS MORE MANAGEABLE FOR OUR CITY TREASURER. OKAY, THAT'S HOW WE DO SAFETY. SO THEY EITHER HAVE TO BE BACKED BY THE UNITED 
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STATES GOVERNMENT, OR THEY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A RATING OR BETTER OR AND IF THEY WOULD DROP BELOW AN A, THEY BECOME AN A MINUS OR TRIPLE B. WE DO A REVIEW TO SEE WHAT'S WHAT. 
          SHOULD WE DO ANYTHING? SHOULD WE MOVE THAT? SHOULD WE TRY AND SELL IN THE MARKET? THE DIFFERENCE ON WHEN YOU TRY TO SELL SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF ITS MATURITY IS YOU GET THE MARKET RATE, SO YOU KIND OF EITHER GAIN OR LOSE BASED ON WHAT THAT IS. THAT MARKET RATE IS TIED TO WHAT THE COUPON RATE IS. AND SO THE HIGHER THE COUPON, THE HIGHER THE RATE YOU GET IN A RETURN ON THE OPEN MARKET. THE LOWER THE COUPON, THE LOWER THE RATE. IN REGARDS TO. WHAT THE FED RATE IS. OKAY. SO THAT'S SAFETY. NEXT IS LIQUIDITY. WE INCORPORATE A LADDER. AND THERE'S A SAYING WITH THE BROKERS IT'S KEEP CALM AND LADDER ON WHICH MEANS YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE MARKET. 
          YOU'RE FILLING YOUR HOLES ON YOUR LADDER. AND SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR LADDER IS SET UP IN A WAY THAT YOUR FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE WHEN YOU NEED THEM. AND SO FOR THE CITY, THE INVESTMENT POLICY IS TO KEEP THEM AT TWO YEARS, 75%, TWO YEARS, AND THEN BEYOND TWO YEARS YOU KEEP 25%. AND THAT'S WHY YOU KIND OF SEE THIS SQUARE. IN JANUARY WE HAD THIS LITTLE BECAUSE SOME WE HAD SOME CALLABLES IN THERE. SO THEY GOT CALLED EARLY. AND THEN WE HAD THIS NUANCE IN MARCH WHERE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE SOME OF OUR CDS, IN ORDER TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR NEEDS WERE FOR THE FUTURE, WE MOVED THEM INTO A THREE MONTH CD UNTIL WE GET MORE DATA TO DECIDE WHERE OUR CASH FLOW NEEDS TO BE. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU GET A SPIKE IN MARCH, IS BECAUSE WE MOVE SOME OF OUR LOCAL BANK CDS INTO THREE MONTHS ONCE THEY GOT MATURED, AND THEN THOSE WILL BE MOVED OUT FROM THERE TO FLATTEN OUT. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU'LL SEE A SQUARE BETWEEN 5 AND 6 MILLION GOING ACROSS EACH MONTH TO THE END OF THE TWO YEARS. THEN WE COULD DO ABOUT 1 MILLION TO 1 MILLION AND A HALF FROM THE REST OF THE LADDER. THIRD QUESTION THE GOVERNMENT INVESTMENT FUND. WHAT'S BEEN THAT AVERAGE RETURN? ARE WE IN 2 TO 3% STATE. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LGIP I THINK THAT'S SO ON THE LAST SLIDE. IT WAS THE ONE AT NIGHT. YEAH. SO LGIP IS A LAGGING MARKET. AND SO WHICH MEANS IT'S INTEREST RATES ARE USUALLY BEHIND WHAT THE MARKET IS NOT IN THE SENSE OF IT'S ALWAYS LOWER THAN MARKET. IT'S JUST THAT IT'S GOING OFF HISTORICAL DATA. SO RIGHT NOW THE LGIP IS HIGHER THAN YOU WOULD FIND IN A MONEY MARKET ACCOUNT BECAUSE IT'S STILL OPERATING UNDER THE RATE OF RETURN. BEFORE THE RATE INCREASE. THE RATE DECREASES WERE PUT IN EFFECT BY THE FEDS. AND IS IT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE IT'S AT THOUGH? I MEAN, TRADITIONALLY THAT'S BEEN A LOW SINGLE DIGIT RETURN. YEAH. 
          SO WE MOVED THE FUNDS TO THAT DEPENDING ON THE MARKET. SO RIGHT NOW SINCE IT'S HIGHER, WE MOVE MORE FUNDS TO IT. BUT AS THAT STARTS TO DROP WE'LL MOVE THE FUNDS OUT. PER INVESTMENT POLICY, WE'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP BETWEEN 8 AND 15% IN THE MONEY MARKET. SAME DAY WITHDRAWAL SO THAT WE CAN PULL IT OUT AS NEEDED. SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE KIND OF MOVED AND MOVED NEXT TO THE LGIP. WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT INVESTMENT STRATEGY? IS IT A STATE LIKE IT'S A GREAT LIKE THE LGA PEOPLE. YEAH, IT'S A BY THE STATE, BY A STATE TREASURER. STATE TREASURER. YES. YOU CAN YOU CAN PUT MONEY IN AND OUT ON A DAILY BASIS. IT'S A IT'S A ONE YEAR LAG. SO IF I WANT MONEY TOMORROW I PUT IN MY ORDER TODA. IF I WANT MONEY TO GO IN, I PUT MY ORDER. IF IT'S THE NEXT DAY, NEXT BUSINESS DAY. SO WE SPLIT THAT. WE HAVE THREE FUNDS THAT HAVE MONEY MARKET THAT HAVE DIFFERENT TIMES. SO WE'VE ADDED THEM SO THAT OUR ACCESSIBILITY, IT GOES FROM 24 HOURS, 12 HOURS AND THEN THREE. OKAY. SO THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT RATES OF RETURNS TO KIND OF DIVERSIFY THE FUNDS THAT ARE IN THERE FROM DIFFERENT FUNDS. RIGHT. LIKE WHEN YOU SAY 9 MILLION IS THAT ALL GENERAL FUND DOLLARS OR POOL. YEAH. WE DON'T WE DON'T WE DON'T SAY THIS INVESTMENT BELONGS TO THIS FUND BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT JUST BALLOONS YOUR TRANSACTIONAL BASE. ACCESS. 
          AND THE OTHER POINT IS HELPFUL TO MAKE AS WELL IS THAT IS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS MARK HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS WE DON'T WANT TO CHASE INTEREST RATES. 
          RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ART AND A SCIENCE, IF YOU WILL, IN STRUCTURING THE INVESTMENT LADDER THE WAY THAT IT IS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHASING NECESSARILY THE INTEREST RATES, BECAUSE THEN THAT COULD PUT YOU IN A, IN A BIND. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT THERE WAS AN ENTITY IN IDAHO THAT BOUGHT ALL TEN YEAR BONDS AT 23%, AND THEN THE MARKET CHANGED 
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SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A POLICY IN THE LADDER SO THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE. BUT PART OF THE FUNCTION OF THE LADDER IS CASH FLOW, RIGHT, RIGHT AND AVAILABLE WHEN YOU NEED IT. SO CHASE RATES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WAKE UP ONE DAY AND YOU CAN'T WRITE THE CHECK LIKE, YEP, THAT'S WHY THE LADDER IS LIQUIDITY BASED, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON. OKAY. SO THIS GOES ALONG WITH WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT OUR YEARS MATURITY. SO THE BLUE IS TWO YEARS RIGHT. AND THIS IS 2 TO 5 YEARS. SO MAJORITY OF OUR INVESTMENTS ARE IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS. AND THEN OVER HERE YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN. YOU CAN SEE THAT ONE YEAR IS ALMOST 50% OF OUR INVESTMENT. AND THEN TWO YEAR IS ABOUT 25%. AND THEN THERE'S A 2 TO 5 YEARS. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE OUR APPROACH IS ON LADDERING. SO YOU SHOULD SEE WITHIN ONE YEAR THAT INVESTMENTS HAVE TURNED OVER 50% WITHIN A YEAR. OKAY. AND THEN YIELD YIELD IS A FUNCTION OF THE FED RATE. SO WHATEVER FED RATE IS THAT DETERMINES WHAT OUR YIELD RATE WILL BE, IT WILL BE CLOSELY RELATED TO IT. THERE ARE SOME MARKET IMPLICATIONS. 
          SOMETIMES MARKET WILL PUSH ABOVE THE YIELD DEPENDING ON SUPPLY AND DEMAND. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING YIELD IS TIED TO THAT FED RATE. AND SO AS THE FED RATE IS COMING DOWN, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR YIELDS WILL ALSO COME DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE IN A FIXED MARKET SECTOR, WHICH MEANS WE DO INTEREST BASED BONDS. WE'RE NOT DOING EQUITIES, WHICH IS TAKING SHARES IN A COMPANY THAT THAT'S ILLEGAL IN THE IDAHO STATE CONSTITUTION. WE CAN ONLY DO FIXED FIXED INCOME BONDS. AND THE SPECULATION FOR THE COMING YEAR IS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO RATE CUTS THIS YEAR. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST UNDER 4.5%. THE EXPECT TO BE BETWEEN 4 AND 3.75 AND 4% BY THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT THAT'S THE FED RATE NUMBER LIKE LENDING RATES ARE STATE TO STATE HIGHER. RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S FED RATE. THAT'S NOT LENDING RATE. BANKS ADD THEIR OWN THINGS THEIR OWN FEES TO THE LENDING RATE. OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS JUST THE TABLES THAT GO ALONG WITH THE CHARTS. SO THAT IS THE CASH REPORT. ANY QUESTIONS ON CASH AND INVESTMENTS. YOU HAVE TO HELP MY MEMORY. SORRY WE HAD SOMETHING WHERE WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO. THIS POLICY WAS NO MORE THAN 25% CERTAIN CATEGORY. CATEGORIES. IT'S BY IT'S TIME. IT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. NO MORE THAN 25%. 
          IT'S LONGER THAN TWO YEARS. OKAY. GETTING CLOSE TO THE RIGHT. WE TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT AT IT EVERY EVERY TIME EVERY YEAR. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT LADDER GO OUT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU STABILIZE YOUR INVESTMENT RETURN. OTHERWISE, IF YOU DON'T PAY EVERYTHING WITHIN TWO YEARS, YOU'RE WANTING YOU'RE WRITING THAT TWO YEAR WAVE AS IT GOES UP AND DOWN. YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN'T TOTALLY CONTROL BECAUSE THE INVESTMENT THE IT COULD INCREASE. YES THROUGH NO THROUGH JUST THE WAY IT'S YOU THE YIELD IS. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. THE OTHER PIECE IS THERE'S A 50% RULE THAT WE DON'T HAVE 50% IN ONE TYPE. I THINK AS YOU YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVEN'T UPDATED OUR INVESTMENT POLICY IN TWO YEARS. SO YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT WILL COME FORTH AGAIN. WE'RE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO REVIEW THAT AND WE'LL MAKE SOME CHANGES. WE MIGHT CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE TO SAY NO MORE THAN 50% AND UNSECURED BONDS, LIKE A CORPORATE BOND HAVING 50% TREASURIES IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME LANGUAGE CHANGES AS THEY COME ACROSS SOME MORE. AS YOU LOOK BACK, THERE WAS A $30 MILLION INCREASE, 21 OR 22, $6 MILLION INCREASED 22 TO 23. AND THEN A LARGE JUMP. AND THAT WAS JUST TO THE YIELD RATE RATE LIKE IT WAS JUST BONDS DID REALLY WELL AS NO. THAT IS A FUNCTION OF CASH FLOW MORE THAN IS A FUNCTION OF INVESTMENT. SO THAT TIES TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE HAD A DECREASE IN 2021 THAT THAT WENT DOWN. THEY WENT BACK UP. IT HAD TO DO WITH SOME TIMING OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. SAME AS 23 OKAY. POWER AND WATER AND PUBLIC WORKS. THEY HAVE A LOT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT THAT AFFECTS OUR CASH BALANCE. AS WE ARE PURCHASING THOSE ASSETS OR CONSTRUCTING. OKAY, LET'S GET INTO THE CITYWIDE BUDGET. ACTUAL. SO WHAT 
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WE HAVE HERE IS THE CITYWIDE REVENUE. AND AS IN WHAT I ADDED THIS LAST TIME, LAST TIME WE WANTED SOME FEEDBACK. YOU WANTED YOU WANTED TO SEE THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND SO I HAVE INCLUDED ON THIS SIDE LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE AT FIRST QUARTER, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE THIS FIRST QUARTER. SO YOU CAN DO A COMPARISON ON WHERE WE'RE AT. SO FROM THIS YEAR COMPARED LAST YEAR, WE'RE UP A LITTLE HIGHER FOR ABOUT 6 MILLION. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT DRIVES THAT. MOST OF THE TIME IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE PRICE CHARTS FOR SERVICES. YOU CAN SEE THAT'S $1 MILLION HIGHER. THE BIG ISSUE IS RIGHT DOWN HERE WE HAVE A $7 MILLION BOND DRAW FOR POWER THAT CAME OUT IN THE SECOND IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT ALSO INCREASED OUR REVENUE FOR THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT BOND DRAW DOWN. CAN YOU GO OVER THE INTEREST REVENUE AS WELL? YES I GET THAT ONE NEXT. ALL RIGHT. LET ME FINISH. ALL RIGHT I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO. SO IN GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING ON MODIFIED ACCRUAL WE CALLED DEBT AS INCOME. AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE CONVERTED TO FULL ACCRUAL AND MOVE IT FROM INCOME TO A BALANCE SHEET. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT A DEBT PAYMENT AS INCOME. THAT'S A GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARD. SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. SO DEBT INCOME FROM DEBT I MEAN MONEY COMING IN FROM DEBT. TYPICALLY YOU WOULD CALL IT A BALANCE SHEET ITEM BECAUSE IT'S DEBT, RIGHT. FOR GOVERNMENT THAT INFLOW IS CALLED REVENUE, PARTICULARLY OTHER FINANCING SOURCES. IT'S IN OTHER COMPREHENSIVE INCOME ON YOUR INCOME STATEMENT. SO WE SAW THIS AT THE POWER BOARD. YES, WE SAW IT SHOW UP AS INCOME INSTEAD OF ON THE. YES. YEAH. SO DOES IT EVER MAKE ITS WAY TO THE BALANCE SHEET. IT DOES AT THE YEAR END. 
          AT YEAR END. YES. OKAY. SO AS THE AS THAT MONEY GETS SPENT, OBVIOUSLY THE FUND BALANCE GOES DOWN. SO IT HAPPENS TO THE BALANCE SHEET. IS THAT SO WE KEEP OUR BOOKS ON BUDGETARY BASIS OR MODIFY ACCRUAL BASIS FOR THE AUDIT. WE CONVERT EVERYTHING TO FULL GAAP BASIS WHICH MEANS MOVING THE THINGS THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES INTO ITS CORRECT CATEGORY THE WAY THE REST OF THE WORLD SEES IT. SO WE CALL THAT PERIOD 13 IN OUR THAT HAPPENS ONCE A YEAR, ONCE A YEAR, FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT'S WHY IT SHOWED UP AS INCOME. YES. ON THE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. SO. THEN WE HAVE RIGHT HERE WE HAVE INTEREST REVENUE. YOU CAN SEE LAST YEAR 3.7 MILLION AND 5,500,000. THIS YEAR IS A HUGE SWING A HUGE DECREASE. RIGHT NOW THIS IS CALLED THIS IS AN ACCOUNTING ENTRY. THIS IS NOT ACTUAL. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO ON THE INVESTMENT IS RECORD IT AT ITS MARKETABILITY MARKET VALUE MARKET VALUE. SO WE HOLD THINGS TO MATURITY TO I'M SORRY I ASKED THAT QUESTION. I KNEW THAT I KNEW THAT ANSWER. BUT SO BECAUSE THE RATES ARE DROPPING, THE VALUE WE TOOK DECREASES ON THE VALUE. THAT MEANS THAT IF WE HAD TO LIQUIDATE OUR INVESTMENTS RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD TAKE A LOSS. THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. THAT'S WHY YOU WANT A LADDER, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE FORCED. IN EVERY CASE, A BANK HAS FAILED. 
          IT'S FAILED BECAUSE THEY ARE FORCED TO SALE WHEN THE MARKET IS NOT FAVORABLE TO THEM, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE TAKING LOSSES ON ALL THEIR INVESTMENTS. THAT'S WHAT CAUSES THE BANKS, ULTIMATELY THEATER TO GET THE CASH. IF I ASK THAT QUESTION NEXT YEAR, WILL YOU JUST SAY, YOU KNOW THAT ANSWER AND JUST CUT ME OFF? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WON'T DO THAT. BUT MAYBE AFTERWARDS. BUT YOU CAN THINK IT, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. THERE'S THE CITY. WHY DO I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON CITYWIDE REVENUE? JUST AS A AS A WHOLE, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT TAXES 2% CITYWIDE REVENUE IS NOT. IT'S NOT ANALYTICAL. IT'S NOT ANALYTICAL. IT'S NOT LINEAR. SO IT'S NOT THE SAME PERCENTAGE EVERY MONTH. YOU HAVE HIGHS AND LOWS. AND SO WE GET OUR TAX PAYMENTS INTO JANUARY AND JULY. THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST ONES. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE THAT. THAT'S WHY IT IT HELPS US TO HAVE A CASH BALANCE. BECAUSE IF THE STATE DOES NOT ALLOW US HAVE A CASH BALANCE TO COVER OUR EXPENSES, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A LOAN EVERY YEAR TO COVER UNTIL THAT CASH COMES IN. SHOULD WE READ INTO THE FACT THAT IT WAS ALMOST DOUBLE FROM THE 
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PREVIOUS YEAR? NO. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO COUNT ON TAXES AND DO ANALYTICAL. YES, THAT'S THE SAME PERCENTAGE EVERY YEAR. BUT SINCE WE'VE HAD ALL THESE TAX PROGRAMS AND REBATE PROGRAMS, THEY'RE NOT COMPARABLE. YOU CAN COMBINE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AND TAXES. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE TYPICAL THIS YEAR. YEAH. YEAH THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT ON THIS SLIDE OKAY. CAN I GO TOO FAR. JUST GENERAL. GENERAL. ONE OTHER QUESTION MARK 18% KIND OF NORMAL FOR THAT PORTION. WHAT'S THAT 18%. BECAUSE OF THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET. IS THAT KIND OF NORMAL FOR THAT TIME OF YEAR? I MEAN 25% WOULD BE FOUR QUARTERS, BUT 18% IS ABOUT. IS THAT OUR NORMAL? THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IF YOU GO INTO THIS PERCENTAGE RECEIVED 18.55. DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S. YEAH THAT'S FINE. YEAH. I MISSED THE SLIDE OKAY. GENERAL FUND REVENUE. SO. THIS IS OUR REVENUE FOR THE YEAR. IT'S 12%. IT'S A IT'S A SAME AS LAST YEAR. AGAIN IT'S IN THE FIRST QUARTER. 
          WE DON'T GET A LOT OF REVENUES BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR THOSE PROPERTY TAXES COME IN. PROPERTY TAXES OVER 50% OF OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE IT ALL IN THE FIRST YEAR. WILL THAT BE IN THE 20 MILLION RANGE? THE TWO PAYMENTS YOU GET 20 NOW AND 20. YOU SAID YOU GET TWO PAYMENTS USUALLY. YEAH. AND MOST OF THAT YOU GET ABOUT 75% AND 80% OF THAT IN THOSE TWO PAYMENTS. YEP. OKAY. HERE'S THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES I THINK I'M MISSING THE CITY EXPENDITURES FOR THIS. OKAY. SO FOR THE GENERAL FUND, OUR EXPENDITURES ARE 18%, WHICH MEANS YOU SPENT MORE THAN YOU BROUGHT IN. BUT THAT'S THAT'S KNOWN. THAT'S ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE REVENUES. WHAT IS GOOD TO SEE HERE IS THAT OUR WAGES 20%. THAT'S GOOD WAGES AND BENEFITS, OPERATING EXPENSES ALSO GOOD. THERE'S NO BIG OUTLIER HERE MURPH. ALLOCATION AGAIN I BROKE THIS OUT. THERE'S THE ALLOCATION WHICH MEANS THIS IS WHAT WE THIS IS WHAT WE TAKE FROM EACH DEPARTMENT TO FUND MURPH. AND THEN THIS IS THE MURPH EXPENSES THEM ACTUALLY SPENDING IT. AND SO WE BUDGETED IT TAKEN 2.7 MILLION AND MURPH AND GENERAL FUND AND SPEND 3 MILLION. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE TIMING OF REPLACEMENT NEEDS. AND THEN THERE'S NO DEBT PAYMENTS FOR THIS YEAR YET. THAT COMES LATER ON IN THE YEAR. OUR OUR PAYMENTS FOR THE COPY IS MARCH IN SEPTEMBER. YEAH. SO ON MURPH, ALL YOU'VE DONE IS WITH EACH IN EACH DEPARTMENT THAT HAS MURPH, YOU'VE JUST TAKEN MONEY FROM THEIR CASH ACCOUNT AND PUT IT INTO THE MURPH ACCOUNT. IT'S REALLY BUDGETARY BASIS. SO WE'VE TAKEN IT FROM THE BUDGET. SO BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING OF OUR REVENUES, WE'RE NOT SPENDING THAT AMOUNT AND WE'RE MOVING THAT AMOUNT TO SAVINGS AS A RECOGNIZING WHAT WE'RE MOVING INTO THAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT. OKAY. HOW CLOSE IS THE ALLOCATION EXPENSE BEEN THE LAST FEW YEARS WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THE YEAR? IT DEPENDS ON THE YEAR. IF THERE WAS SOME BIG GRANT, IF REQUIRED, CORRECT. EVERY YEAR IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT THE SAME. IT'S BASED ON NEED. WE DO TRY TO MAKE SURE ONE THING WE DO LOOK AT A HIGH LEVEL IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL OUR VEHICLES ARE PURCHASED IN ONE YEAR. SO IF WE HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S GOOD FOR SEVEN YEARS, WE DON'T WANT ALL OUR SEVEN YEARS TO BE SEVEN YEAR VEHICLES TO BE ON THE SAME YEAR. 
          WE WANT THEM TO SPREAD OVER. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE AN INVESTMENT. YEAH, IT'S A LOT. 
          IT'S A LADDER FOR VEHICLES. YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN A COST ALLOCATION. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE CHARGING OUT BASED ON OUR OUR COST ALLOCATION PLAN. AND YOU CAN SEE 25% OF THE YEAR OR OVER SALE. AND WE PROBABLY GET THAT IN THE BUDGET YEAR ABOUT COST ALLOCATION. AND THEN A TRANSFER IS ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT IS AN ALMOST LIKE AN EXCHANGE. SO IF WE'RE TRANSFERRING OR MOVING CASH FROM ONE, ONE FUND TO ANOTHER BECAUSE OF AN EXCHANGE, WHETHER IT BE A RISK POOL OR PAYING BACK THE DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE, OR IT'S JUST TO TRANSFER FUNDS FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER FOR A BUDGETARY EXPENSE. AND MARK COULD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT THE TRANSFERS ARE YOU IDENTIFY THOSE ON YOUR MONTHLY CITY TREASURER'S REPORT. AS IT SHOWS THAT THE TRANSFERS THAT YOU DO. YES. IF THEY'RE NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL FORMALLY, THEY'RE ON THE ADJUSTMENT PAGE. 
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MOST OF OUR CASH TRANSFERS ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. AND THEN ALSO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          THEY'RE ALSO INITIATED BY THE DEPARTMENT, THE STATE DEPARTMENT. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS MARK WILL GET A REQUEST FROM A DEPARTMENT TO SAY PLEASE TRANSFER THESE FUNDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PURPOSE. AND SO HE HAS A RECORD OF THAT, AS WELL AS IDENTIFYING THAT ON THE TREASURER'S REPORT, I WILL POINT OUT ON THE GENERAL FUND IS. HOW WE SET UP A SEPARATE FUND THIS YEAR TO TRACK ONE TIME EXPENDITURES. IT'S ABOUT 340,000 THAT WE CREATED WHAT IS CALLED FUND TWO. IT'S JUST TO TRACK THOSE ONE TIME. AS OF THE FIRST QUARTER, NONE OF THOSE ONE TIME MONEYS HAVE BEEN SPENT. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THERE'S SOME BEEN SOME POTS CREATED, BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN SPENT. AS THE YEAR GOES ON AND THE NEXT QUARTERLY, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN SPENT. I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A NECESSARY TO SHOW THE REPORT THAT NOTHING'S BEEN SENT SINCE WE'RE. LAST, BUT RIGHT NOW WE GROUP THAT BUDGET INTO HERE ON THE CAPITAL LINE. THAT 340,000 IN THE FUTURE WILL BREAK THAT OUT AS THEY ARE SPENT. AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, BUDGET MEETINGS WHERE YOU DON'T WANT A DEPARTMENT TO ABSORB THAT ONE TIME CAPITAL FUND FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, BECAUSE THE EXPECTATION THE COUNCIL IS, IS THAT THOSE FUNDS WERE APPROVED FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT. SO BY SETTING UP THIS ACCOUNT THAT MARK HAS JUST GONE OVER, IT REALLY DOES REINFORCE THAT PROCESS. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PAM. ALL RIGHT. SO I MENTIONED EARLIER I WANTED TO ALSO JUST THANK COUNCIL AGAIN FOR HAVING THAT EXTRA MEETING IN DECEMBER. 
          AS YOU COULD TELL, WE NEEDED THAT EXTRA MEETING BECAUSE WE HAD A FEW PROJECTS THAT NEEDED TO BE BID AND RECONCILED AND THEN AWARDED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO SUFFICE TO SAY THAT WE ARE WE HAVE OBLIGATED ALL THOSE FUNDS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO WITHIN THE TIMELINE THAT WAS REQUIRED. 
          AND BROOKS'S TEAM SUBMITTED THE REPORT AS REQUIRED. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT REPORT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD FROM OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAD TO OBLIGATE THOSE FUNDS NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST OF 2024. AND WE HAVE TO EXPEND ALL THOSE FUNDS NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST OF 2026. AND SO WE'RE ON TRACK FOR GETTING THAT TAKEN CARE OF. SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS THERE. ALSO, WE WERE REQUESTED TO DO AN AUDIT UPDATE. AND SO I'M GOING TO HAVE BROOKS TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE STATUS OF THE AUDIT. WE'RE ACTUALLY ON DRAFT TWO WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE OF THE OF THE OF KAFR SACRA ACRE. YOU USED TO CALL IT KAFR. NOW THEY CALL IT THE ACRE. SO WE'RE WE'LL PROBABLY SEE FOUR, PROBABLY FOUR DRAFTS OF THAT. WE'RE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 3 AND 4 DRAFTS WE USUALLY HAVE. BUT BUT I WILL SAY BEFORE I HAND OVER THE MIC TO BROOKS, YOU KNOW, SHE AND HER TEAM HAVE BEEN SPENDING A NUMBER OF HOURS OVER THE HOLIDAYS PULLING THIS AUDIT TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TIMELINE THAT WE NEED TO BE. AND SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION TO SHARE. NOW, I WANT TO PREFACE IT WITH THIS PRELIMINARY INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR AUDITORS. AND I'M GOING TO HAVE BROOKS GO OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT AS OUR EXPERT. THANK YOU. SO OUR AUDITORS WERE HERE FOR TESTING MOST OF THE MONTH OF JANUARY. THEY WERE HERE FOR TWO WEEKS AND THEN SOME REMOTE WORK. THEY GOT OUR TRIAL BALANCE AND HAVE BEEN SAMPLING THINGS, TESTING OUR CONTROLS. THEY ARE CURRENTLY COMPLETING THEIR TESTING. THEY THEY SAID THEY WERE A LITTLE BEHIND WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE THIS FIRST YEAR. 
          IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO GET THROUGH AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO, BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO GET RE-ACCLIMATED TO EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY, AND THEY'RE ALSO REVIEWING OUR DRAFT FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM. SO THEY'RE TRYING OUT NUMBERS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY AGREE TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED. WE DID IDENTIFY IN PREPARING FOR THE AUDIT A RESTATEMENT AMOUNT RELATED TO LAST FISCAL YEAR. SO WE HAD CAPITAL WORK IN PROGRESS IN OUR POWER AND FIBER FUNDS THAT WAS NOT CAPTURED. WE HAD KIND OF A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR SYSTEM WAS DOING AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND IN REVIEWING IT THIS YEAR, WE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WAS ABOUT 12.4 MILLION IN POWER WORK ORDERS THAT WASN'T CAPTURED AND CAPITALIZED IN THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR. SO IT WAS JUST EXPENSED IN PRIOR FISCAL YEARS AND THEN FOR 5 OR 7.7 MILLION. A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE FIBER TO HOME PROJECTS IS A BIG BULK OF IT, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WAS ONLY CAPITALIZING ITEMS WHEN THEY WERE CLOSED, AND THOSE PROJECTS WERE MULTI-YEAR. AND SO IT WASN'T CAPITALIZING THOSE. SO WE CAUGHT THAT THIS YEAR AND LET THE AUDITORS KNOW. SO THAT IS A RESTATEMENT THAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THAT THEY ARE REVIEWING CURRENTLY. SO THAT IS OUR EXPECTED FINDING. WE 
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HAVEN'T RECEIVED ACTUAL FINDINGS YET FROM THE AUDITORS, BUT WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE A FINDING RELATED TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S RESTATEMENT. CAN I CAN I INTERRUPT RIGHT THERE JUST BECAUSE THIS IS ONE THAT I, I MEET, I MET WITH THREE TIMES NOW WITH THE AUDITOR, JUST AS PART OF THE MAKING SURE THAT AND IT WAS ACTUALLY OUR TEAM THAT CAUGHT IT. IT WASN'T LIKE OH THEY CAME IN AND FOUND IT. THEY WENT BACK TO BAILEY AND ASKED THEM WHETHER THEY WANTED TO ADJUST THEIR REPORT FROM LAST YEAR, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY YOU. IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THIS YEAR'S. IT WAS LAST YEAR'S. AND I BAILEY SAID NO, THAT THEY DIDN'T, THAT THEY WOULD COUNT IT AS A FINDING FOR THIS YEAR. AND SO IT WOULD BE I THINK IT WILL BE A IS IT A MATERIAL. IT'LL BE SO. SO THEY WILL HAVE THAT FINDING. BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CAUGHT BY OUR TEAM THIS YEAR. SO WE DON'T GET CREDIT FOR THAT. WE DON'T GET CREDIT FOR FINDING IT. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THIS WOULD BE LIKE THE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY YOU WOULD HIRE AN AUDITOR, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE TO FIND THINGS LIKE THIS. THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE HAVING LAST YEAR. I LOOK AT IT AS VERY DIFFERENT FROM SOME OF THE SOME OF THE TIMING ISSUES THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. YEAH. CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT? I MEAN, CAPITALIZATION IS KIND OF A GENERIC LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY BASIC. SO WHY DIDN'T WE NOT CATCH THAT IT WAS YEAR TO YEAR? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THAT'S A COMPLEX PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS. AND WAS IT NOT A FINDING IN THOSE PREVIOUS YEARS? I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS ONE FOR A LONG TIME, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD WORK ORDER ISSUES IN THE PREVIOUS FINDINGS. SO THESE KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS KIND OF A LOT OF A PERFECT STORM OF MULTIPLE ISSUES. WE HAD LOTS OF DIFFERENT STAFF INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. SO KIND OF INCONSISTENCY OF THE PROCESS, THE REVIEW, BUT ALSO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTANTS. THERE'S THROUGH POWER FOR A WHILE AND THEN JUST THE SYSTEM ITSELF. WE HAD A PROJECT WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT TO GET WORK ORDERS GOING. AND SO IT WAS JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT WAS DOING. AND SO IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PEOPLE DOING IT REVIEW BEING DIFFERENT AND MISSING THOSE. AND THERE'S SO MUCH THAT IS SPENT IN BOTH POWER AND FIBER THAT IT'S KIND OF LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. AND SO LOOKING AT IT, TAKING THE 20,000 FOOT VIEW BACK, IT WAS ABLE TO KIND OF SEE, WELL, WE SPENT I THINK THIS YEAR WE SPENT LIKE 12 MILLION IN THE SYSTEM WAS ONLY CAPITALIZING THREE. YEAH. AND SO I WAS LIKE, WHOA, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? DO YOU THINK ERP WILL HELP IDENTIFY THAT SOONER? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S THE KIND OF CHECKS THAT I THINK ERP IS GOING TO HELP US WITH. AND EVEN BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ERP, JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE WE'VE GOT OUR WORKPAPERS SET UP DIFFERENTLY TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND GO THROUGH IT STEP BY STEP SO THAT THAT STUFF SHOULD BE CAUGHT RIGHT UP FRONT AS WELL. AND ONE OF THE ONES WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS WE'RE SAYING THERE'S OVER 2700 LINES OF DATA, ALL BROKEN OUT BY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND EVERYTHING FROM PERSONNEL TO CONTRACT STAFF TO ACTUAL INVENTORY TYPE OF ITEMS, AND SO THAT YOU CAN LOSE TRACK OF THAT VERY QUICKLY WITH A VERY UNRELIABLE, MOST CURRENT MODERN SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND YOU HAVE THE HISTORY HERE. LIKE WHAT DO YOU THINK IN TERMS OF WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WORK ORDERS BEING A PROBLEM BEFORE? I KNOW WE BROUGHT IN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LIKE DC. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS OVER THAT PERIOD FOR US AS A GOVERNING BOARD? WHAT WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, IT CERTAINLY IS A COORDINATED PROCESS. BUT I THINK PART OF THE DILEMMA THAT WE HAVE, AND IT MAKES US A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A UNIQUE ORGANIZATION, IS THAT WE HAVE IDAHO FALLS POWER THAT WORK ON MULTI-YEAR, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS. ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR CAPITALIZATION OF WORK ORDERS WAS ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2018. AND SO THOSE WORK ORDERS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WHEN THEY DON'T GET REFRESHED AND UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND ARE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THROUGH A SYSTEM PROCESS. JACK USED TO SAY PEOPLE SYSTEMS PROCESS. SO WHEN THAT PROCESS DOESN'T SPIT OUT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU'RE IT'S VERY EASY TO MISS. AND DO WE DO A WORK ORDER REPORT MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY THAT SAYS, HEY, WE WE'RE CLOSING THIS OUT. WE SHOULD IS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE IN THE ERP. WE DO THAT NOW. IT'S JUST AN ANNUAL AND IT'S A LOT OF ONE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THE WORK ORDERS FOR POWER ALONE WAS ALMOST IT WAS OVER 250 SEPARATE WORK ORDERS THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH TO SEE WHAT SHOULD BE CAPITALIZED, WHAT SHOULDN'T, WHAT'S CLOSED, WHAT'S STILL OPEN. SO THERE'S A LOT OF VOLUME, BUT WE CAN IMPLEMENT PROCESSES TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN. DOES THAT REALLY GO WITH OUR WITH YOUR GROUP OR DOES THAT WORK WITH THE ACCOUNTANT THAT WORKS FOR OTHER POWER? IT'S ALSO WORK WITH POWER AS WELL BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND KNOWING WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING, WHAT'S DONE OR NOT. AND THEN WE CAN REVIEW THE FINANCIAL RECORDS AND MAKE SURE WE AGREE THAT THIS SHOULD BE INCLUDED AND, AND CLOSE THINGS OUT. AND I'VE TALKED TO BEAR 
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ABOUT THIS. AND HE ALSO HAS SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT HE MIGHT WANT TO DO OVER IT. I DON'T THOSE POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS. I JUST WANT TO GET THIS CLEANED UP. YES, THIS IS A I THINK JOSH AND BEAR HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT THAT THAT WILL ASSIST IN THE PROCESS. THERE'S A LOT OF TURNOVER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, FINANCE THEIR NOT CAUGHT BY THE PREVIOUS ORDER IDENTIFIED BY STAFF ON THE CREATION OF THE NEXT YEAR'S WORLD PAPER AND THE CORRECTION. AND SO THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN US LEARNING THAT WE DID SOMETHING WRONG. AND SO AND CORRECTING THAT PROCESS. 
          SO A COMMENT WAS MADE EARLIER TO, YOU KNOW, GET CREDIT, YOU DON'T GET POINTS FOR CATCHING YOUR OWN. BUT WHY DO WE HAVE AN AUDIT IN THE FIRST PLACE, EXCEPT FOR US TO FIND WAYS TO IMPROVE. 
          AND SO DOES IT REALLY MATTER TO ME WHO CATCHES IT? IT MATTERS THAT WE FIGURE OUT WAYS TO IMPROVE OR THINGS THAT WE DON'T LIKE, AND WE WORK ON THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TAKING A PHILOSOPHICAL VIEW. BUT AS A NON ACCOUNTANT TRAINED PERSON, THAT'S ALL I CAN DO. ANYWAYS. 
          TAKE A PHILOSOPHICAL VIEW. SO I APPRECIATE THE FORTHRIGHT PRESENTATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AUDIT PROCESS OR ANY OTHER CONCERNS. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TIME FRAME FOR A REPORT TO COUNCIL. SO THE AUDITORS REACHED OUT TODAY SAYING THEY'RE EXPECTING TO GIVE US COMMENTS BACK ON OUR DRAFT END OF THIS WEEK. HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING WILL BE BUTTONED UP AND TIGHT OUT AND DONE, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO WRAP IT UP BY THE END OF MARCH OR SHORTLY. OKAY, SO IN APRIL PRESENTATION IS WHAT WE THINK WILL HAPPEN. 
          GREAT, GREAT, WHICH IS GREAT CONSIDERING IT'S BEEN JUNE JULY LAST COUPLE YEARS. SO I JUST THINK WE MADE SOME CHANGES INTERNALLY TO TRY TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL ON ON IT. AND YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THE FRUIT OF THOSE CHANGES COMING INTO PLACE THAT FEELS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE GETTING BACK INTO THE OLD RHYTHM. THAT'S NICE. THAT'S NICE. OKAY, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE REACHED THE END OF YOUR SLIDE DECK AND COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE THEY'RE GONE. THEY DID IT IN LESS THAN A 55 MINUTES. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FINANCIALLY THIS THIRD QUARTER? FIRST QUARTER REPORT. OKAY. WHEN I REPORT WHEN I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TIME, NEXT AUDIT REPORT WILL PROBABLY DO ONE IN APRIL. IS THE AUDIT GET ISSUED IN THE LETTER. THAT WE SHOULD BE WRAPPING IT UP IN MARCH AND THEN PROBABLY PRESENTING EARLY APRIL. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN I WAS GOING TO ADD OUR NEXT QUARTERLY PRESENTATION WILL BE IN MAY, BASED ON THE CALENDAR THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. SO WE USED TO DO THEM THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THE QUARTER CLOSED. SO NOW WE'RE MORE AT THE THIRD COUNCIL THIRD, THE FOURTH COUNCIL MEETING AFTER A QUARTER CLOSES. AND THAT'S JUST A CIRCUMSTANCE OF WHERE WE ARE AND WORKLOAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT YOU CAN USUALLY COUNT ON IT THE SECOND MONTH OUT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL PRESIDENT WORKSHOP. SO LAST YEAR I WAS CONCERNED THAT YOU WEREN'T ENOUGH, OR AT LEAST WE WEREN'T AS A COUNCIL INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. YOU SAID YOU MET THREE TIMES, SO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT'S A LOT MORE OPEN FOR YOU. I DO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS NOT THAT IT WAS NOT OPEN TO US LAST TIME. IT'S JUST THAT WE JUST HADN'T REQUESTED IT. AND SO BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S WHY. SO I'VE HAD, LIKE I SAID, THREE MEETINGS WITH KEVIN ALREADY TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS. AND HE KNEW ABOUT THESE FINDINGS. AND WE TALKED THROUGH THEM. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAD GONE WRONG LAST YEAR. SO YEAH, THAT WAS THE IDEA. THANK YOU. YEP. AND IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY. SO KEVIN IS OUR SENIOR MANAGER AND THEN LESLIE IS THE SENIOR ACCOUNTANT ON THE AUDIT ITSELF. AND SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM. 
          BROOKS MORE THAN MYSELF. BUT THEY'VE BEEN VERY PLEASANT TO WORK WITH JUST USUALLY THEY USUALLY HAVE MORE THAN ONE BOARD MEMBER. USUALLY THERE'S LIKE FOR MY AUDITS, I SEE 2 OR 3 BOARD MEMBERS TO TALK TO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WILL HAPPEN EVENTUALLY OR JUST 1 OR 2. SO WHEN THEY WERE HERE, I KNOW THEY SPOKE WITH MAYOR. THEY SET UP DIFFERENT MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY USUALLY REACH OUT AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT? WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU WANT TO LOOK AT? SO WE LEAVE THAT UP TO THE AUDITORS TO DETERMINE WHO THEY WANT TO TALK TO. OVER HERE. 
          IT'S BEEN TYPICALLY MYSELF AND ONE COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE ON. WE'VE GOT THE NEXT SET OF DIRECTORS HERE TO TALK TO US ABOUT SOME OF THE. RAPIDLY INVOLVED WORK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING WITH RESPECT TO AND THANK YOU TO THE FINANCE TEAM. APPRECIATE. YOU AND YOUR 
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EMPLOYEES. SO WE'LL MOVE ON. AND WE'VE GOT BOTH OUR FIRE CHIEF AND OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR HERE. PLUS OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE. AND I KNOW THAT HE'S BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE TEAM. SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'VE HAD THIS TENSION GOING ON BETWEEN THE DESIRE FOR INCREASED DENSITY BECAUSE OF POPULATION FLOW, YOU KNOW, THE INFLUX OF INDIVIDUALS WANTING TO LIVE IN IDAHO FALLS, THE PANDEMIC CREATING SOME PRESSURES ON CASH AND YOUNG PEOPLE COMING UP WANTING TO BUY HOMES. ALL THOSE THINGS PUSH TOWARD DENSITY, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING SITUATION, PRICES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER, RIGHT? AND SO THEY'RE VERY DESIRABLE, THOSE KINDS OF HOMES. AND YET BECAUSE AND WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DEAL WITH THE COMPLEXITIES ASSOCIATED WITH DENSITY VERY MUCH, I'D SAY A LOT OF IDAHO HASN'T HAD TO DEAL WITH IT VERY MUCH, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN MORE OF A SPREAD OUT STATE WHERE PEOPLE JUST HAVE DON'T LIVE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, LITERALLY RIGHT IN MULTI-STORY DWELLINGS. SO AS WE HAVE FOUND THAT REAL ESTATE IS MORE DESIRABLE, THE COST OF HOUSING HERE IN IDAHO HAS GONE UP FROM BELOW THE NATIONAL MEDIAN TO MEAN OR WHATEVER TO ABOVE THAT, WE HAVE FOUND THAT REAL ESTATE IS EXPENSIVE, EXPENSIVE ENOUGH, THAT DENSITY IS ATTRACTIVE. SO THERE WE HAVE THE WHOLE PIECE OF THAT. THEN WE'VE GOT WE'VE HAD ROBUST FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD EXCELLENT FIREFIGHTERS. WE'VE HAD A REALLY REMARKABLE DEPARTMENT IN THIS CITY IN PARTICULAR. AND SUDDENLY NOW WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT SOME OF THE FIRE STANDARDS AND FIRE CODES DON'T NECESSARILY JIVE WITH SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE'VE BEEN INTERPRETING DENSITY, OR THE WAY THAT SOME DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN INTERPRETING THE DENSITY. SO YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IT IN VARIOUS PROPOSALS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU OVER THE LAST, I'D SAY, TWO YEARS. AND WE HAPPEN TO HAVE A FORMER FIREFIGHTER ON THE COUNCIL WE HAPPEN TO HAVE COUNCIL AND COUNCILOR RADFORD, SOMEONE WHO'S ALWAYS KEEPING, YOU KNOW, HIS RADAR ATTUNED TO HOW DO WE USE LAND AND REAL ESTATE CREATIVELY. SO WE'VE BEEN PROBABLY HAVING AN EXPERIENCE THAT MAYBE PUTS US AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN THIS STATE, BECAUSE I THINK OTHER CITIES ARE FINALLY STARTING TO HAVE SOME OF THESE VERY SAME QUESTIONS. AND I KNOW THE STATE WAS STARTING TO HAVE THIS DIALOG AT THE END OF THE FALL, THE AIC LEVEL. WE STARTED TO HEAR THAT THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, AND THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IT TO BED EASY AND DEAL WITH IT IN A SMALL WAY THAT WE ARE TACKLING THIS. AND IT HAS TURNED OUT TO BE MORE COMPLEX THAN ANY OF US THOUGHT WHEN WE SAID, CAN YOU JUST BRING US THE COMPROMISE POSITION? AND SO THESE TWO DIRECTORS, PLUS OUR CITY ATTORNEY, HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER OVER MANY MONTHS TRYING TO SORT THIS OUT, AND I'M GOING TO BE QUIET NOW AND LET YOU GUYS PRESENT IT. BUT I'VE JUST BEEN BOTH FRUSTRATED AND AMAZED. 
          FRUSTRATED BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT AND IT'S HARD TO TAKE A LONG TIME AND AMAZED AT HOW. 
          CAREFUL THE WORK IS. THE THINKING IS THAT THEY'RE DOING. SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WANT TO STAND WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE. THAT'S ADDRESSED BY. THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. SO SET US UP. THANK YOU. MAYOR. YEAH. ONE OF THOSE IS FOR EITHER THE MAYOR. I HANDED OUT THIS FIRST HANDOUT JUST TO BRING US BACK TO KIND OF WHERE WE WERE, I THINK MANY MONTHS AGO, AT LEAST 6 OR 8 MONTHS AGO AT THAT POINT WHERE I BROUGHT FORWARD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND AMENDMENTS TO THE FIRE CODE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE AS WE MOVE TO ADOPT THE 2018 AND MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND CHANGES. SO I JUST WANTED TO COVER THOSE AGAIN, BECAUSE IT REALLY LED US INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE ROADWAYS AND THEN INTO SINGLE AND MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS. AND SO I WANT TO BRING US BACK KIND OF TO THOSE. AND THEN AND TO JOG YOUR MEMORY OF THAT AND HOW WE GOT TO KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION, I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT MOVING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO 503 TWO ONE IS A FIRE CODE. THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. SECTION THAT DEALS WITH THE DIMENSIONS OF FIRE APPARATUS, ACCESS ROADS AND A FIRE APPARATUS. ACCESS ROAD IS A ROAD THAT PROVIDES FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS FROM A FIRE STATION TO A FACILITY, BUILDING, OR PORTION THEREOF. THIS IS A GENERAL TERM INCLUSIVE OF ALL OTHER TERMS SUCH AS FIRE LANE, PUBLIC STREET, PRIVATE STREET, 
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PARKING LOT, LANE, AND ACCESS ROADWAY. THAT'S WHAT A FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD IS. AND SO IN APPENDIX D, IT ACTUALLY DOES CALL OUT ANY FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD THAT HAS A HYDRANT ON IT SHALL BE 26FT. THAT 26FT. WE WANT TO CLARIFY IN SECTION FIVE OF THE CODE THAT SAYS CURRENTLY THAT FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROADS HAVE AN UNOBSTRUCTED WIDTH OF NOT LESS THAN. WE'VE CHANGED THAT NOW TO 26FT BECAUSE WE BUILD OUT ALL OF OUR NEW DEVELOPMENTS WITH HYDRANTS. IT CURRENTLY SAYS 20FT. WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE MOVE THAT TO IN LINE WITH THE APPENDIX D STANDARD OF 26FT. NOW, THERE IS SECTIONS OF THE APPENDIX THAT ALLOW FOR 20FT WIDTHS ON DEAD ENDS OR TURNAROUND SECTIONS OF ACCESS ROAD. THOSE CAN BE UP TO 150FT ON DEAD ENDS. THAT CAN BE UP TO 500FT IF IT HAS TURNAROUNDS AT THE END OF THOSE DEAD ENDS. IF IT HAS RATED TURNAROUNDS. BUT AGAIN, THOSE 20FT WIDTHS ARE FOR THOSE DEAD END OR TURNAROUND ACCESS ROADWAYS, NOT FOR NOT FOR WHAT WE'LL SHOW YOU AND DEMONSTRATE A COUPLE OF PLACES THAT WE'VE BUILT AS OF LATE THAT HAS LESS THAN A 26 FOOT WIDTH. SO QUESTION. MAKE SURE I HAVE THAT IN MY HEAD. SO IF IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH OR WHATEVER WE CALL IT BROAD CENSUS STREET, IF IT HAS RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO IT, IT HAS TO BE 26FT. BUT IF IT'S JUST A TURNAROUND, IT'S 20. 
          YEAH. AND THAT TURNAROUND IS AT THE END OF SOMEWHERE AT THE END OF 150 FOOT DEAD END. SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE AT 160FT, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE. IT COULD HAVE A CUL DE SAC, IT COULD HAVE A HAMMERHEAD. IT COULD HAVE MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF TURNAROUND AT THE END OF THAT. BUT IT CAN'T JUST BE A DEAD END ROAD THAT STOPS, AND THAT REQUIRES THE FIRE TRUCK TO BACK UP MORE THAN 150FT. OKAY, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT WERE OUR PUDS AVERAGE LIKE? WHAT ARE WE SEEING? 20 USED QUITE A BIT. WE'RE SEEING LESS THAN 20 USED OCCASIONALLY. IT WAS ALL OVER THE BOARD AND IT WAS PRETTY. AND AS CHIEF SAID THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT AMBIGUOUS BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING 20 TO 26. SO THIS WILL HELP REALLY STANDARDIZE IT AND KEEP IT CONSISTENT. AND SORT OF I MIGHT BE JUMPING AHEAD, BUT PEOPLE ARE PLANNING RIGHT NOW TO DO THINGS. SO IS THERE GOING TO BE A DATE CERTAIN, LIKE HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THAT? SO WE'VE BEEN CALLING OUT 26FT BASED ON THE APPENDIX D FOR A WHILE NOW, BASED ON ANYTHING WITH A HYDRANT ON IT. WE'VE BEEN CALLING OUT 26FT. WE JUST WANT TO MEMORIALIZE THAT IN ORDINANCE IN THIS SECTION OF THE CODE, SO THAT WE ARE SO THAT IT IS CONNECTED WITH THE APPENDIX PORTION OF THAT. SO YOU'RE MATCHING YOUR PRACTICE TO MATCHES YOUR PRACTICE TO THE WHAT ABOUT PARKING AT 26. ALLOW THE ALLOW PARKING ON THAT STREET OR. NO NO. SO 20 TO 26 IS NO PARKING ON EITHER SIDE GREATER THAN 26. YOU CAN HAVE PARKING ON ONE SIDE AND THEN BEYOND 33FT, 33 33FT. YOU CAN HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES. YEAH. SO ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE WANT TO MOVE THAT TO 26. THE NEXT ONE HAS TO DO WITH TURNING RADIUS. AND THE TURNING RADIUS OBVIOUSLY IS SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THAT MANEUVER THAT TRUCK AROUND AND TURN AROUND AT THAT DEAD END, THAT RADIUS WE WANT TO CALL OUT SHALL BE 30 FOOT, A 30 FOOT TURNING RADIUS. AND CURRENTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUT IN THE PUBLIC WORKS NOW. SO THAT'S NOT A CHANGE. WE JUST WANT TO ADD IT TO THE FIRE CODE SO THAT WE CAN ADOPT THAT AND CALL IT OUT ON OUR ON EVERY ROAD. ON EVERY ROAD. OKAY. OKAY. IN BLUE. 
          THAT JUST HAS RIGHT NOW WHAT THE WHAT THAT CODE SECTION SAYS. IT CURRENTLY JUST SAYS THE REQUIRED TURNING RADIUS OF THE FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL. WE JUST WANT TO CALL THAT OUT SO THAT THE BUILDERS AND ENGINEERS KNOW WHAT THAT IS. 
          SO CAN YOU KIND OF TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? BECAUSE WE'RE JUST FOUR FEET MORE LIKE ONE'S AN ACCESS ROAD AND ONE'S A SPECIFIC TURN. YEAH, THIS IS A TURN. THIS IS THE TURNING RADIUS OF. THINK ABOUT A CUL DE SAC OR. YEAH. SO, SO IF THAT'S THE IF THAT'S THE PLAN, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. AND THAT ALLOWS OUR THAT ALLOWS THAT PRIMARY APPARATUS THAT WE TAKE THAT AERIAL APPARATUS INTO ONE OF THOSE COURTS AND ACTUALLY MAKE THAT TURN. EXTERIOR DOORS. THIS. THIS SECTION I HAVE. IMAGE KIND OF WHAT WE SPOKESMAN. 
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SORRY. HOW YOU. THIS IMAGE IF YOU LOOK AT IT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LARGE MULTI-FAMILY OR APARTMENT COMPLEX. AND WHAT YOU SEE I THINK ARE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE LITTLE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED SECTIONS. THE LITTLE ONES ARE ACTUALLY AT HANDICAP. 
          CONSTRUCTED RAMPS THAT SPLIT UP THE THAT SPLIT UP THAT PERPENDICULAR PARKING EVERY 75FT. THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN A SIX FOOT RAMP, AND THAT NEEDS EIGHT ADA REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND WE THINK THAT THAT WILL THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO GAIN ENTRY WITH OUR FIRE HOSE AND EQUIPMENT, TO BE ABLE TO STRETCH THAT HOSE TO FRONT DOORS AND BE ABLE TO GET AROUND THAT BUILDING WITHIN 150FT ALSO WOULD ALLOW GURNEYS AND AMBULANCE PERSONNEL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ACCESS TO THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING WITHOUT HAVING TO MANEUVER POTENTIALLY BETWEEN TWO PARKED CARS, OR GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT END AND COME BACK IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S HERE OR HERE? THE FRONT. THE FRONT WOULD BE RIGHT ALONG THE PARKING PARKING LOT. AND SO THOSE LITTLE HIGHLIGHT HIGHLIGHT SECTIONS THAT ARE COLORED VERY WELL, THOSE WOULD THOSE LITTLE HASH LINES ARE THE WOULD BE THOSE RAMPS AND THAT WOULD CONNECT. THESE ARE THE THREE CONNECTS 200FT AWAY. SO. IT WOULD BE. SO IT WOULD CHANGE THAT SECTION AN IMPROVED ACCESS WALKWAY LEADING FROM FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROADS TO THE EXTERIOR SHELL PROVIDED WITHIN 75FT. THIS ACCESS WALKWAY SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED SIX FOOT WHITE, MINIMUM STANDARD SIX INCH CURVED ELEVATORS FROM A ROAD SURFACE AND ACCESS RAMP TRANSITION MEETING ADA STANDARDS. AND SO THIS ALSO IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DRAWING NOW. THIS IS A CURRENT DRAWING ACTUALLY THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER AND MEETS MEETS ADA AND ALLOWS THOSE ACCESS POINTS TO BE OPERATIONAL. AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE BEEFED UP IN ANY WAY TO SATISFY BOTH ADA AND FIRE. NO. SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR THEIR ADA ACCESS, AND WE'D BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT AT THE SAME TIME. AND YOU CALL THIS YOU COULD SEND THE HEADER EXTERIOR DOORS, BECAUSE IT'S THE WAY YOU GET YOUR GURNEY TO SOMEONE'S FRONT TO THAT FRONT DOOR, IN CASE WE WANTED TO SEE. OKAY, I GO, THAT'S KIND OF CONFUSING FOR SOME CLARITY ON THAT ONE. AT ONE POINT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THIS WAS THE MANY MONTHS AGO ABOUT NOT ALLOWING A GARAGE TO ACT AS AN EXTERIOR DOOR IS THAT WE'VE DROPPED THAT OUT OF THE. OKAY. SO THIS EXTERIOR DOOR COULD BE PART OF THE A GARAGE DOOR OR THIS IS ANY KIND OF ENTRANCE INTO THE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE BUILDER TO BUILD IN ANY DIRECTION, SO TO SPEAK, AS LONG AS THAT AS LONG AS THE ADDRESS SECTION IS FRONTED TO THE ACCESS ROAD. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ADDRESSING WORKING WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PUBLIC WORKS AND LEGAL, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TOO RESTRICTIVE TO THE WAY THAT WE WANTED BUILDING TO HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          THE NEXT SECTION HAS TO DO WITH NOT ONLY FIRE PUMPS, BUT AND ANY OF THESE EXAMPLES THAT I'M GIVING ARE TRULY JUST EXAMPLES. WE'RE NOT HIGHLIGHTING ANY SPECIFIC DEVELOPER OR BUILDER, ANY ANY ISSUES OR PROBLEMS, WE'RE JUST PLAINLY USING THEM AS EXAMPLE PURPOSES. AND I THINK ONE THING. THAT. ADDS UP TO AT THE SAME TIME. WHAT THIS ONE HAS TO DO WITH IS THE INSTALLATION OF FIRE DETECTION ALARM SYSTEMS, EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM, GAS DETECTION SYSTEM, FIRE 
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EXTINGUISHING SYSTEMS, HYDRANTS, FIRE STANDPIPES, PRIVATE MAINS, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS, AND PUMPS, BUT THEY ARE LIMITED TO ONE STRUCTURE AND PROPERTY UNLESS APPROVED BY THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL, AND THE FIRST ONE THAT I HAND OUT THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THIS IS ACTUALLY TWO STRUCTURES ON TWO LOTS, BUT IT'S OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE. HOWEVER, BOTH FACILITIES NEED SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. THEY OBVIOUSLY ONLY WANT TO PUT ONE PUMP INTO PLACE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THOSE SYSTEMS. THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING IT ON TWO SEPARATE PIECES OF PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY, ARE IF ONE OF THOSE IS SOLD, SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT ON THE HOOK FOR ALL THE MAINTENANCE. OR IF THAT PUMP GOES OUT, THE NEXT SECTION HIGHLIGHTS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR. AS WE MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSIONS OF MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, TOWNHOUSES AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GETTING TO WHAT YOU SEE IN ALL THOSE RED LINES IS WHAT WAS BUILT OUT AS TOWNHOMES. THEY ONLY HAD ONE ACCESS ON SUNDAY SIDE. THIS IS ASPEN POINT. AND AS YOU MAKE THAT TRIANGLE, EACH ONE OF THOSE UNITS THAT GOT THAT OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF A FIRST. THANKS. BUT JUST LIKE YOU GAVE ME TWO MINUTES. OH MAKE IT AROUND TO ME. WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE TOWNHOMES. AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO SPRINKLE THESE BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS TO GET OVER 30 UNITS. AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY PUT IN THE RISER OF THAT SPRINKLER SYSTEM INTO THE END UNIT. AND SO EACH ONE OF THESE COMPLEXES, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE SOLD INDEPENDENTLY AS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND AS TOWNHOMES, THE END UNITS APARTMENTS, I THINK, I THINK IN THE FIRST ONE IS WHERE 826 IS IT'S IN APARTMENT ONE ON THOSE UNITS, AND THEN ON THE LAST UNIT, IT'S APARTMENT SIX. BUT THOSE FIRST TWO UNITS, APARTMENT ONE. BUT WHAT IT'S DONE IS ALL THE RISER AND ALL OF THE ALL OF THE RISER IS A FIRE SPRINKLER RISER THAT FEEDS EACH ONE OF THOSE UNITS. SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IS ALL IN ONE UNIT. IT'S ALL CONTROLLED BASICALLY BY THE SINGLE SINGLE UNIT AT THE END OF THE SYSTEM. NOW, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IN THIS CODE REVISION IN THIS ADOPTION IS THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO HAVE ITS OWN SPRINKLER SYSTEM OFF OF THE EACH BUILDING, EACH EACH EACH INDEPENDENT UNIT. SO EACH APARTMENT OR HOME OR NOW IF THIS WERE TO NOW IF THIS WERE BUILT AS AN APARTMENT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THIS IS NOT BUILT AS AN APARTMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LISTED OUT AS APARTMENTS. THESE ARE BUILT AS TOWNHOMES, AND EACH ONE OF THESE CAN BE SOLD OFF INDEPENDENTLY OF EACH OTHER. AND SO AGAIN, LIKE THE FIRE PUMP SCENARIO WHERE YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE IS THE PERSON AT THE END OF THE UNIT MAY OR MAY NOT EVEN BE MAY, MAY NOT EVEN BE AN OCCUPIED OR IT MAY BE OCCUPIED IN THAT INDIVIDUAL'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE SERVICING OF EACH ONE OF THOSE. THE CODE ALSO DOESN'T ALLOW US IN A RESIDENTIAL TO ACTUALLY GAIN ACCESS TO MAKE SURE IT'S BEING MAINTAINED PROPERLY, AND SO THESE ONES ARE A LITTLE BIT TROUBLESOME BASED ON THE IMPACT THAT THEY HAVE. THEY'RE BUILT OUT AS A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT, SOLD INDEPENDENTLY, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ONE FIRE MAIN THAT IS CONTROLLING THE WHOLE STRUCTURE AND ALARM SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY IS BEING MAINTAINED ALL FROM ONE UNIT. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE WORKING ON TERMINOLOGY TO DESCRIBE TOWN HALLS. THAT KIND OF STUFF. IS THAT YET TO COME IN THIS CONVERSATION? IT WILL. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I THINK I CAN SEE ABSOLUTELY WHY THIS IS NECESSARY. BUT DOES IT IN ESSENCE DISCOURAGE OWNERSHIP? I MEAN, IF I'M DOING THIS DEVELOPMENT NOW, I'M DOING THIS AS RENTALS AND DOING ONE BECAUSE THE COST MAY BE THAT MUCH BETTER. HOW MUCH COST ARE WE TALKING PER UNIT? IS IT 2 TO 4000. IS IT 10,000? IS IT? I WISH I HAD A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU. IT CAN BE. IT COULD BE TEN. PROBABLY BECAUSE WE TALKED YOU TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING SPRINKLERS FOR FAMILY HOMES AND THAT THAT'S 
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SOMETHING THAT COULD INCREASE THE VALUE OR THE COST OF BUILDING A HOME BY 4 TO 6000 NOW, MAYBE MORE LIKE TEN. WELL, THEY DO AND THEY, THEY DO BUILD SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH SPRINKLERS IN THEM BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WANT THEM. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT IT WAS IT'S NOT LIKE THEY DON'T EVER DO IT. THERE'S A CONVERSATION THAT IT MIGHT BE REQUIRED AT SOME POINT FOR SAFETY BECAUSE IT'S AMAZING. RIGHT. THE SPRINKLERS MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE TO SAVE LIVES. 
          INTERESTING. BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT I SAID? I MEAN, I THINK IT DEFINITELY COULD INCREASE COST. HOWEVER, WHAT WE'LL GET TO IN THE CONVERSATION, IF THESE WERE TRULY BUILT OUT AS INDEPENDENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SUGGEST WITH PROPERTY LINES AS A MULTI FAMILY, MULTI UNIT ATTACHED DWELLING, THERE'S SOME SOLUTIONS THEY WOULDN'T ACTUALLY NEED SPRINKLERS. OKAY. NOW THIS THIS UNIQUE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT ONLY HAD ONE ACCESS WAS UNIQUE IN ITS OWN. AND THEY NEEDED TO SPRINKLE IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY GET THE NUMBER OF DOORS THAT THEY WANTED ON THAT TRIANGLE WITH ONLY ONE ACCESS. THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WAS TO SPRINKLE. AND SO THIS UNIQUE AREA MAY HAVE STILL NEEDED TO INCREASE THAT TO THAT LEVEL. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YES. BUT THE I THINK THE MOST ALARMING THING ABOUT THIS, JOHN, IS THAT THE SPRINKLER WILL BE PUT IN, BUT IT WILL NEVER GET INSPECTED. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL. WELL, YOU'D EXPECT IT IN ONE UNIT, NOT OTHER. SO WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO GO IN AND INSPECT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. YEAH, I AGREE COMPLETELY. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE, BECAUSE ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BUY APARTMENTS. I MEAN, I THINK MORE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN APARTMENTS, AND RENTING YOUR WHOLE LIFE ISN'T A GREAT FINANCIAL DECISION IF YOU HAVE AN OPTION WHERE YOU COULD BUY THAT. SO PEOPLE BUY CONDOS AND APARTMENTS IN NEW YORK CITY AND SAN FRANCISCO ALL THE TIME. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU HAVE AN OPTION. YEAH. AND SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT LEADS US PERFECTLY INTO. THE NEXT THEM AROUND THE TABLE. KILOS OF TREES I THINK SO, YEAH. YEAH. THANKS. THANKS. GREAT. THANK YOU. BACK. SURE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY. JUST SHOWS AERIAL VIEW AND THEN KIND OF PROPERTY OWNERSHIP. SO THERE'S MORE, AND I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THIS, BUT I KNOW. THIS IS ON JENNY LEE, RIGHT BEHIND THE STARBUCKS OFF OF 17TH STREET PICTURE. THAT. THANK YOU. AND THESE ARE THE SAME TWO. IT IS THE SAME. YEAH. THANK YOU. ONE MORE. YEAH. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE JUST RECENTLY BUILT. RECENTLY BUILT RIGHT BEHIND STARBUCKS ON JENNY LEE. AS YOU HEAD TOWARDS OFFICE 17TH STREET, TOWARDS THE APPLE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS WHAT WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT. WE HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS INTO THIS, INTO THIS COMPLEX, WHICH IS NEEDED BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE THAN 30 UNITS. HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS YOU HAVE A STREET APPARATUS ACCESS THAT'S ONLY ABOUT 20FT WIDE AND 18 OR 19 IN SOME PLACES. AND SO YOU HAVE A VERY NARROW, NARROW ROADWAY BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT BEFORE WE WERE RECOMMENDING 26FT. IT DOES HAVE HYDRANTS INSIDE IT. THIS WAS BUILT, THIS WAS BUILT. AND AS YOU SEE ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER, THIS WAS BUILT AS APARTMENT. AND IT'S CALLED OUT IN THEIR ADDRESSING AS APARTMENTS. AND THERE'S ONE OWNER FOR EACH ONE OF THE BUILDING, THE COMPLEX THAT'S THE FOUR, THE FOUR UNITS. THOSE FOUR UNITS ARE OWNED BY EACH. EACH ARE INDEPENDENTLY OWNED. THE FOUR UNITS. HOWEVER, THOSE FOUR UNITS WERE THEN BUILT OUT TO WHAT THEN WAS THE TOWNHOME STANDARD AND THE RESIDENTIAL CODE. SO NO SPRINKLERS IN THIS ONE, NO SPRINKLERS IN THIS IN THIS COMPLEX. STILL A FOURPLEX AND BUILT TO THE RESIDENTIAL CODE INSTEAD OF THE IBC. THE BUILDING CODE WHERE IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED SPRINKLERS, ALARM SYSTEMS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THOSE TRANSIENT PEOPLE THAT THESE ARE RENTALS, THOSE FOUR UNITS PURCHASED BY ONE PERSON, AND THEN THE FOUR UNITS RENTED OUT. AND SO THE PROBLEM GO AHEAD, KEEP TALKING, IS THAT I 
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HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO THE PROBLEM WITH THAT OBVIOUSLY IS THE STATE STATUTE. AND THE STATE STATUTE SAYS THAT ANYTHING OVER TWO SO 3 OR 4 PLEXES OR ABOVE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE SPRINKLERS. NOW OUR SUGGESTION, WHAT DIRECTOR WILL GET TO IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. COUNCILOR BRADFORD IS SEPARATING THOSE PIECES OF PROPERTY. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD TO THE RESIDENTIAL CODE, SEPARATE THOSE INTO INDEPENDENT PIECES OF PROPERTY, CREATE A RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT CAN BE SOLD OR RENTED, AND THEN EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE BEEN BUILT WITHOUT MEETING THE IBC OR THE SPRINKLERS. BUT WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT THIS WASN'T THIS ACTUALLY DIDN'T MEET THE RESIDENTIAL CODE BECAUSE OF THE STATE STATUTE. IT'S MORE THAN MORE THAN TWO UNITS. IT'S FOUR UNITS, ALL OWNED BY ONE INDIVIDUAL, AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPRINKLED. NOW WE HAVE MANY, MANY EXAMPLES AROUND TOWN. THIS THIS WAS ONLY A FEW AND WE HAVE DOZENS. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HOPEFULLY GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD, WHETHER THAT'S PURCHASE. LARGER UNITS LIKE THIS, OR IF THEY WANT TO BUILD UNITS MORE LIKE ASPEN, POINT INDIVIDUAL UNITS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SELL OFF AS TOWNHOMES AND STILL BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF BOTH OF THOSE TO CREATE THE SAFETY ASPECT. 
          BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, IN OUR OPINION, APARTMENT DWELLING, YOU KNOW, AS AS A PERSON PURCHASES THE FOUR UNITS AND THEN RENTS OUT THOSE FOUR UNITS AS A SINGLE UNIT, WE SHOULD HAVE SPRINKLED THOSE BECAUSE OF THE TRANSIENT NATURE OF THOSE PEOPLE MOVING IN AND OUT OF THERE. NOW, THE TOWNHOME DEFINITELY RESIDENTIAL CODE FIREWALLS FROM FLOOR TO CEILING, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY LINES SOLD OUT INDEPENDENT UNITS. THAT IS ALSO ALLOWED UNDER THE UNDER THE FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME DIGGING INTO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE MAKE THAT WORK. AND THAT'S WHERE UNLESS THERE'S A QUESTION I BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN YOU WERE SAYING IT. SO FOURPLEXES RIGHT NOW THEY NEED TO BE SPRINKLED EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, AS, AS SOMEBODY REDESIGNED A FOURPLEX IS THEY REMODEL IT. 
          THEY SHOULD BE SPRINKLING IT. IF IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT REMODEL. OKAY. YES. SO I'M JUST THINKING OF LIKE THE ONES AROUND LIKE GRANDVIEW AND KIND OF THOSE THAT ARE IF THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY IF THOSE WERE SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFIED UNDER REMODEL, THEY WOULD NEED SPRINKLERS. PROBABLY AT THE TIME THEY WERE NOT SPRINKLED. CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. THAT IS THE TERM SIGNIFICANTLY VERY WELL DEFINED. IT'S DEFINED IN THE BUILDING CODE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PERCENTAGE IF IT'S 75 OR 80% OF IT. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE UNDERSTOOD BY SOMEONE WHO OWNS IT, WANTS TO MAKE THE CHANGES. THEY WITH SOME EFFORT, THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT THRESHOLD IS. AND THEY OFTEN DO. YES. SO I WELL AND THEY USUALLY GO ONE AT A TIME. YOU KNOW, YOU DO IT. THEY DO IT AT A TIME. YEAH. YEAH. SO THEN YOU HAVE TO AND IT'S STILL AND THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. YEAH. 
          OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE POINT ABOUT THIS PICTURE IS THAT THOSE TURNING RADIUS IS ON THOSE CORNERS ARE NOT THE NEW STANDARD. RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW SHARP THOSE CORNERS ARE, I MEAN, CAN YOU IMAGINE TRYING TO GET A LADDER TRUCK IN HERE? TURN LEFT, TURN RIGHT, TURN RIGHT AGAIN. TURN RIGHT AGAIN AND GET INTO HERE. I MEAN YEAH, VERY DIFFICULT. VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A BIG TRUCK INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SPRINKLERS IN THIS WITH THIS PICTURE AND THE COMMERCIAL CODE VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL CODE. RIGHT. BUT DIDN'T YOU SAY THE FIRE CODE SAYS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. A HIGH POINT THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE 26FT. SO HOW DID THIS PASS THROUGH OUR INSPECTION PROCESS? TO SAY THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS. AND THERE'S SEVERAL THAT ACTUALLY GOT THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT ARE BUILT JUST TO THIS. AND SOME OF IT, SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH PRIVATE STREET STANDARDS. SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DISCUSSION OF A PRIVATE STREET VERSUS THERE'S ALSO GREAT. SO THERE WILL BUILD TO THE I.R.C. BECAUSE THERE'S A GREAT AMBIGUITY BETWEEN STATE CODE OF WHAT A TOWNHOME IS. SO A LOT OF THEM WILL TRY AND I CAN SAY A LOT OF THEM. THAT'S TOO 
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MUCH OF A GENERALIZATION. BUT IN THIS CASE THEY TRIED TO BUILD THE IRC IS WHAT THEY WERE TRYING. THEY WERE GETTING TO AND CLASSIFYING IT AS SOMETHING OTHER THAN A TOWNHOME. SO IT'S JUST THE AMBIGUITY. AND WE TRY TO ADDRESS THAT IN OUR ZONING CODE. YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THESE CHANGES HOW WE'RE TRYING TO. AND I THINK NOW'S A REALLY GOOD TIME TO THROW OUT THE DISCLAIMER FOR THE FINE PRINT. AND THAT IS THAT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT ANY PARTICULAR DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO MAKE. 
          YEAH, I CAN'T IT'S NOTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S THAT WHEN YOU ARE IN BUSINESS, YOU ARE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE PROFIT, RIGHT? AND YOU DO THAT BY INTERPRETING OR FOLLOWING THE RULES OR GUIDELINES THAT MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO DO. YEAH, THESE WEREN'T CONSTRUCTED NEFARIOUSLY. THAT'S. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THESE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES TO PAY ATTENTION TO. AND I'M GUESSING THE FIRST COUPLE WENT THROUGH BECAUSE OF INTERPRETING WHATEVER. AND THEN IT BECAME, OH THIS IS JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE. 
          THIS IS JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE. AND THEN SEVERAL WENT THROUGH OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT A YEAR, AND WE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT REVIEWERS. SOME OF IT WAS BEING OUTSOURCED AT THAT POINT. I MEAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THEY GOT THROUGH. BUT LIKE YOU SAID, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS DOING IT. AND THEY JUST LOOKED AT THE WAYS AND THE RULES THAT THEY WANTED TO. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN SOME OF THAT UP, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE BUILDERS, ENGINEERS AND DEVELOPERS OF WHAT WE WANT THE STANDARD TO BE BUILT TO IN THE FUTURE. I JUST HAVE ONE THOUGHT, BUT AS I'VE READ THROUGH SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I READ ABOUT THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS, THE QUESTION YOU ASKED MIGHT MAKE IT SO BUILDING NEVER CHANGE, LIKE NO ONE WOULD EVER DO A MAJOR REBUILD. AND SO YOU'D HAVE APARTMENTS IN THIS TOWN THAT WERE BUILT FROM 60 TO 90, AND THEY WOULD ALL LOOK THE SAME. THEY'D NEVER REALLY TAKE THE RISK BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T PENCIL OUT IN TERMS OF SPRINKLING. RIGHT. BECAUSE GOING BACKWARDS IS GOING TO BE TEARING OUT ALL THE ROOF, ALL THE AND THEN PUTTING IN A WHOLE NEW PLUMBING SYSTEM. YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 20 TO $40,000 PER UNIT. YEAH. AND THE BUILDING CODE ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR REHAB. AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY REHAB ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED AT THE TIME. BUT IT'S THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE TO THEN BRING IT UP TO CHANGE YOUR USE. ALSO, MAYBE DEFINE THAT FOR ME. THE CHANGE OF USE. SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? MAYBE TO DEFINE THAT A LITTLE BETTER? BECAUSE IN MY MIND, LIKE SO YOU'RE SAYING IF I PUT IN NEW CABINETS AND DID THE NEW FLOORING AND KIND OF UPDATE IT, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO WOULDN'T TRIGGER IT. YEAH. BUT IF YOU TOOK OUT WALLS AND WENT TO A TWO PLEX INSTEAD OF A FOUR PLEX BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED BIGGER, THEN IT WOULD TRIGGER, I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH. AND CHANGE OF USE. ALSO, IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE ZONING CHANGE OF USE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BUILDING CHANGE OF USE. AND THE BUILDING CHANGE OF USE REALLY DEALS WITH THE OCCUPANCY OF THE STRUCTURE. SO IF YOU'RE MAINTAINING IT AS A RESIDENTIAL, BASICALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHANGE, EXCEPT IF YOU'RE DENSIFYING BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE. BUT ON THE SAFETY AS A SAFETY. YES. CORRECT. BUT ON THE BUILDING SIDE, IT'S MORE A CHANGING FROM LIKE A, WELL FROM LIKE A RESIDENTIAL TO A DAYCARE. YOU'RE CHANGING EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE MAYBE HAVE INHABITING, YOU HAVE A SAFETY ELEMENT TO IT. AND SO YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED HARD ON THIS IS GREAT, BUT DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE HAD THE INPUT FROM THE DEVELOPERS AND SOMEONE WHO WOULD REMODEL APARTMENTS? I THINK YOU DO. YEAH. SO YEAH, YOU'RE ALL ASKING GREAT QUESTIONS THAT ARE PART OF MY PRESENTATION. YOU'RE DEFINITELY THINKERS. THANK YOU. YES. SO WE OH, SORRY, JIM, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. JUST I THOUGHT I HAD THIS A NON CONFUSED ON SOMETHING. SO IF AN OWNER, IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT A TOWNHOME THAT WAS INDIVIDUALLY OWNED AND THEN RENTED IT OUT LIKE THEY NEVER LIVED IN IT, THEY RENTED IT. AND YOU GET THE TRANSIENT COME THROUGH, DOES THAT, DOESN'T THAT KIND OF MESS UP. BECAUSE ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF THE SPRINKLER THAT IT'S THE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING THAT THE APARTMENTS NEED TO BE SPRINKLED, THE TRANSIENT NATURE. BUT IF THE TOWNHOME WAS BUILT TO THE IRC IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY, IT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS, EVEN THOUGH THEY RENT IT OUT, EVEN THOUGH THEY RENT IT, AND EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T SPRINKLE IT. BECAUSE THEN, I MEAN, IF YOU CARRY THAT A STEP FURTHER AS A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT YOU COULD NEVER AS A RENTER. YEAH, IT COULD NEVER FALL UNDER THAT SAME. 
          CORRECT. BUT THIS IS KIND OF AN ONGOING CONVERSATION IN THE WORLD OF ARE YOU BUILDING A HOTEL CHAIN OUT OF CITY OR AIRBNBS? RIGHT. BECAUSE THE SAFETY STANDARDS, YOU'RE FAR BETTER OFF BUYING UP HOMES THAN YOU ARE BUILDING IN SOME WAYS. LIKE SO THERE THERE IS A PROVISION UNDER THE ADA REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU CAN HAVE GROUP HOMES AND IT TRUMPS YOUR 
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SINGLE FAMILY DESIGNATION. THAT'S ACTUALLY A FEDERAL STATUTE THAT'S IMPOSED ON THE STATES. SO YOU CAN LIKE IF SOMEBODY IS, FOR EXAMPLE, DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED, THEY ACTUALLY CLASSIFY THEM AS DISABLED. SO IT ACTUALLY CAN BE GROUP HOMES IN REGARDS TO PEOPLE COMING OUT OF REHABILITATION FOR DRUG AND ALCOHOL, THOSE CAN ACTUALLY GO ANYWHERE IN YOUR CITY. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DESIGNATE AND SAY THEY CAN'T. BUT THEN THERE'S THE BUILDING CODE STANDARD THAT WOULD SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OCCUPYING THAT BUILDING. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN DO. ONE THING JUST AS YOU GO THROUGH. CAN YOU SPEAK TO BOARDING HOUSES? BECAUSE I'M STILL INTERESTED, BECAUSE I THINK FOR THE FUTURE, IF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SHARE COSTS, AND I THINK BOARDING HOUSES MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK INTO VOGUE AT SOME POINT. YEAH. IT'S A IT'S A REALLY TOUCHY SUBJECT WHEN YOU TRY TO DEFINE A FAMILY. AND SO WE, WE DO NOT DEFINE A FAMILY IN THE, IN THE ZONING CODE. BECAUSE WHAT IS A FAMILY TO ONE IS NOT A FAMILY TO ANOTHER. AND SO AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE ADA RESTRICTIONS, IT'S REALLY A HARD ENFORCEMENT ELEMENT ON THE REFERRING TO GROUP HOMES. WELL, I WANT TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A GROUP HOME AND A BOARDING HOME. YEAH. BECAUSE WHEN I LIKE I LOVE TO READ HISTORY. AND IN DC SO MANY PEOPLE BECAME FRIENDS BECAUSE THEY WERE IN A BOARDING HOUSE TOGETHER AND THEY HAD THESE GREAT RELATIONSHIPS, BUT YOU'D NEVER HEAR OF THOSE ANYMORE. AND THEY KIND OF WENT OUT OF VOGUE IN THE 60S AND THE 50S, IT SEEMS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT. IT MIGHT BE A SEPARATE THING, BUT YEAH, I WONDER, SO THANK YOU, CHIEF. SO THEN WE, WE STARTED LOOKING AT ALL THIS. SO THE FIRE CODE OF COURSE THE, THE STREET WIDTH STANDARDS. BUT THE MAIN ISSUE THAT WE WERE RUNNING INTO WAS THIS SPRINKLING ELEMENT. WHAT DOES AND DOES NOT GET SPRINKLED. SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE DEFINITIONS, WE WERE TRYING TO TAKE THE FIRE CODE, THE ZONING CODE, THE BUILDING CODE AND THE IMPACT THE ORDINANCE AND MESH THOSE TOGETHER, THAT WE COULD GET SOMETHING WORKABLE AND REALIZE THE BASE OF ZONING IS OUR DEFINITIONS. SO THAT'S WHY WE ATTACK. THAT'S WHY WE ATTACK THE DEFINITIONS FIRST. SO AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS PUBLIC WORKS FIRE AND MYSELF AND THEN CODY WAS IN ON THESE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL, OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHAT WE CAME DOWN TO WAS WE WERE REALLY FOUND THAT THE LINCHPIN A LOT OF TIMES WAS DEALING WITH THE BUILDING CODE AND WHETHER IT WAS THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE OR THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE LINCHPIN, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE WHAT NEEDS TO BE SPRINKLERED WHAT DOESN'T. AND ALSO IT GUIDES THE IMPACT FEE, BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD AN APPEAL ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AGO ON THE SOUTHBRIDGE DEVELOPMENT. THEY WERE CLAIMING IT WAS A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT. BUT WHAT DID THAT MEAN? SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE. JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE. SO I HAVE A TIMELINE UP HERE JUST TO GIVE YOU WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM HERE. SO THIS ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD. SO WE WENT THESE ARE REALIZED THESE ARE OUR FIRST SWIPE AT THE DEFINITIONS. WE REALIZE THAT THESE DEFINITIONS COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE. WE HAVE NOT TAKEN THEM OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. SO YOU ARE THE FIRST TO SEE IT. WE'RE HOPING TO DO THAT IN MARCH TO BRING THEM IN. AND ALSO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF LISTSERVS WITH CITYWORKS THAT WE CAN SEND THESE OUT JUST TO GET INPUT. SOME DEVELOPERS HAVE PERSONALLY CONTACTED ME AND OF COURSE WILL MAKE A ONE ON ONE CONTACT WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THEIR INPUT. WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING THIS IN IN MARCH. THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THIS TIMELINE MAY SKEW A LITTLE BIT AND THEN COME BACK WITH THEIR INPUT AND OUR REVISED DEFINITIONS. THEN WE WANTED TO START TAKING IT THROUGH PROCESS, BUT THEN AS WE DISCUSSED THIS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO IMPLEMENT THIS IN JUNE, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD HAPPEN JUNE OR JULY, RIGHT WHEN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION SEASON, WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL THAT WOULD BE VERY FAIR TO THE CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY. SO WE WERE LOOKING MORE IN THE FALL TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THESE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A TIMELINE SO THAT WE CAN GET INTO THAT NEXT DEVELOPMENT SEASON OF 2026, THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, THE NEW. YEAH, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU BECAUSE THIS YOU WERE COMMENTING, SOMEONE WAS COMMENTING ON OUR RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. AND I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW SOME DATA BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE THE COMP PLAN AND DATA THAT REALLY DRIVES WHY WE CHANGE THESE COMP PLAN ON PAGE 86 TO 87, ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT DIVERSIFYING OUR HOUSING STOCK. 
          SO WE FEEL THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO THIS AND MAKE IT MORE CLEAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, SO IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO DEVELOP. I TOOK THIS BACK TO 20. SO THE BUILDING DIVISION TRACKS BUILDING PERMITS BACK TO 1979. I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU THIS BECAUSE I EXTRAPOLATED IT TO TEN YEARS. AND I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING WHICH I'VE SHOWN YOU 
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BEFORE, BECAUSE I NOW HAVE THE 2024 DATA. THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, IF YOU LOOK THAT TOP ORANGE NUMBER IS THE AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT WE'VE CONSTRUCTED IN THE CITY IN 2024. 
          WE'VE HAD WE'VE ADDED 1266. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S THAT'S NOT UNIT. THAT'S THAT'S UNITS OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S UNITS. NOT A BUILDING. NOT A BUILDING. CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S UNITS. SO WE'VE ADDED THAT MANY UNITS. IF YOU IF YOU LOOK. GO BACK GO BACK HERE. THAT'S OKAY I DON'T NEED THE POINTER. BUT WE WE'VE PRIMARILY BUILT MULTIFAMILY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS POST COVID HAS REALLY THAT'S BEEN HOW WE'VE BUILT. WE ACTUALLY IT'S MORE DO YOU MIND CLICKING ON THAT THING. 
          IT'S ON THE POWERPOINT USUALLY I CAN'T YEAH THERE YOU GO. THAT'LL TAKE THE PLACE OF YEAH THERE WE GO ON THE MOUSE I NEED TO MOVE ONE ONE SLIDE AHEAD PLEASE. THERE WE GO I SO I TOOK THE DATE. IT TOOK THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN I TOOK THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE'RE BUILDING AS OVERALL RESIDENTIAL. I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING FROM 2021. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE FLIPPED AND HAVE CONTINUED THAT FLIP SINCE 2022. WE ARE PRIMARILY BUILDING MULTI-FAMILY HOMES IN THE CITY. WE ARE NOT BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS PROMINENTLY AS WE WERE, JUST A LITTLE OVER A QUARTER OF OUR CONSTRUCTION IS THEN. I JUST SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE WE'RE BUILDING COMPLEX DEVELOPMENT NOW. WE'RE NOT BUILDING THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT YOU WOULD THINK OF AT LEAST THE LAST THREE YEARS. WE HAVEN'T POST COVID. DO YOU DO YOU THINK THIS IS AN ONGOING TREND, OR DO YOU THINK IT'S THE NATURE OF THE INTEREST RATES AND BORROWING MONEY TO BUILD? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 2024 SUPPOSEDLY WAS SUPPOSED TO STOP IT BECAUSE OF THE HIGH INTEREST RATES I HAVE EXTRAPOLATED. I'M SEEING FIVE YEARS. THAT WILL PROBABLY. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT OUR TREND, I DON'T MEAN TO GET TOO NERDY IN THE NUMBERS, BUT WHAT I FOUND WAS WE'RE BUMPING ABOUT EVERY TEN YEARS. WE'RE ALWAYS BUMPING UP IN MULTIFAMILY. IT'S THE CATCH UP IN THE MARKET FROM THE TEN YEAR LAG. SO I, I'M FORESEEING THAT. BUT WHAT'S WEIRD IS THIS JUMP, IT'S THIS SIGNIFICANT JUMP THAT WE'RE HAVING. SO WHAT'S CAUSING THAT I11 THING SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, CAN YOU OVERLAY THAT WITH OUR BEDROOM? BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE MAYBE IT'S NOT JUST US, RIGHT. WE'RE SEEING THE SAME THING. YES. AND ARTICLES I READ STATE THAT THAT MULTIFAMILY IS BEING BUILT PRIMARILY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I'VE HEARD IT'S A CATCH UP FROM THE 60S, BUT WE HAVE THOSE WEIRD BUMPS THAT WE KIND OF CATCH UP AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT. YEAH, LOOKING FORWARD, I'M FORESEEING US, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE PERMANENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I HEARD I'M SORRY. I'LL LET YOU GO. NO, GO. WELL, I THE VERY FIRST CONFERENCE I WENT TO AFTER BEING ELECTED TEN, 11 YEARS AGO WAS TO WENT TO COVERS WHERE I HEARD A FUTURIST. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE SAID WAS, WE ARE DEFINITELY SEEING A GENERATIONAL CHANGE IN PREFERENCE FROM THE AMERICAN DREAM, BEING THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH THE CARPORT AND CAR IN IT, YOU KNOW, OR TWO CARS IN IT, AND THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT HOMEOWNERSHIP DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME VALUE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME. IT CARRIES WITH IT SO MANY RESPONSIBILITIES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE MOBILE LIFESTYLE. THAT, AGAIN, IS ANOTHER TREND OR PREFERENCE THAT'S INDICATIVE OF THE RISING GENERATIONS. AND SO FAR IT HASN'T ABATED. THAT WAS YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY BEEN TEN YEARS OR 11 YEARS, BUT IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING TO WATCH. IF YOU'RE SUPER OLD, YOU'LL REMEMBER IN THE 1980S THERE WAS A BOOK WRITTEN CALLED MEGATRENDS AND MEGATRENDS IDENTIFIED SOME REALLY BIG THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY. AND I FEEL LIKE AND ONE OF THEM WAS, NEVER MIND, I WON'T GO BACK BECAUSE IT'S ANCIENT. BUT THE IDEA BEHIND THEM WAS THAT THEY WERE SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH. THE FUTURIST, WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT REALLY FELT LIKE THIS IS A MEGA TREND. AND SO WHILE WE MAY SEE SOME FLUCTUATION, I DO THINK THAT. 
          WE'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO SEE OUR GRANDCHILDREN WANTING THE BIG PARCEL WITH THE BIG HOME, WITH THE THREE CAR GARAGE, WITH THE ATTIC AND WITH THE BASEMENT AND. ET CETERA. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT I'VE BEEN IT HAS BECOME PART OF MY THINKING. AND THE CONSTRUCTION TREND IS ATTACHED TO SINGLE FAMILY. SO NOT THE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY. SO WE'RE TALKING LIKE DUPLEX TOWNHOMES. YEAH. SO I CUT LISA OFF. I'M SORRY. NO, YOU DIDN'T CUT ME OFF. THAT WAS 
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I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT THAT TREND IS A REALLY IS ANOTHER POINT. WHY I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE DOING THE NEW IMPACT FEE STUDY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IN THE ORIGINAL ONE, WE THEY THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BUILD 400 UNITS OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS JUST BASED ON WHEN THAT SPIKE STARTED HAPPENING. SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE DOING IT EARLY AND I KNOW IT'S COSTING US MONEY, BUT IT'S ANOTHER GOOD REASON TO DO IT BECAUSE THE SPEAKING OF THAT, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IDAHO AND WE'RE NOT UNIQUE IN THIS ARE BEHIND THE CURVE IN BUILDING THINGS. SO I ASSUME THAT SOMEWHERE THERE WAS A NUMBER DERIVED THAT SAID, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED AND THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE, IS THAT, YEAH, THERE IS I HAVEN'T DONE THAT DATA IN A LONG TIME BECAUSE I DID IT IN KANSAS CITY BACK IN GRAD SCHOOL. 
          I'VE NEVER DONE IT OUT HERE IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST, BECAUSE THE MOUNTAIN WEST TENDS TO LAG BEHIND THE MIDWEST, WHICH LAGS BEHIND THE EAST COAST. AND EXCEPT FOR THE COASTAL COAST ON CALIFORNIA, YOU KIND OF GET AN ODDITY THERE. BUT BUT YEAH, SORRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. THERE IS A THRESHOLD OF THE MARKET THAT THAT YOU DO REACH EQUILIBRIUM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS IN IDAHO THOUGH, BECAUSE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THE IDEA OF IF WHEN IS THAT CURVE GOING TO FLATTEN OUT. IT'S GOING TO FLATTEN OUT. IT'S GOING TO FLATTEN OUT. CORRECT. THAT'S A GIVEN. YEAH. SO I'M WONDERING IS IF WE HAVE A TARGET THAT WE THINK IS WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE A STABLE HOUSING MARKET. IF WE LOOK AT THAT TREND AND SAY, OKAY, WHEN WOULD WE GET TO THAT NUMBER ALLOWING FOR SOME ADDITIONAL GROWTH, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY WE MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN THAT TREND WILL START TO TURN. AND ON THE PLANNING SIDE, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS JUST WE WATCH THOSE MARKET TRENDS AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT OUR ZONING IS CAPTURING THAT. AND IT'S FREE TO DO LET THE MARKET DO ITS THING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND THAT GOES BACK TO THAT'S WHAT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I THINK THE MARKET THEY'LL DO THEIR PERSPECTIVE. AND IF THEY THINK IT'S STILL VALUABLE BUT SOMEBODY ENDS UP HOLDING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COMES ALONG AND THAT'S WHERE WE JUST SET THE FENCE AND WE JUST LET THEM DO THEIR THING. WE JUST LET THEM. CAN I MAKE ONE QUICK EDITORIAL COMMENT? I THINK THE MAYOR'S COMMENT ABOUT THE CHANGE IN WHAT PEOPLE THINK, WHO ARE COMING UP AND WHAT THEY WANT, AND EVERYBODY DOESN'T WANT A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME WITH A QUARTER ACRE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SOMEHOW IT WOULD BENEFIT ALL OF US. I THINK IF WE CAN HELP GET THAT MESSAGE OUT. BUT I DON COUNCIL. ABOUT FOUR HOURS I WENT, I GOT INVITED TO A GROUP THAT MEETS ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND A LITTLE RESIDENTIAL GROUP, AND THE BIGGEST THING THEY JUMPED ON US WAS ALL, THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO GROW UP WITHOUT A YARD OR WITHOUT YADA, YADA YADA. AND THEY WERE GOING ON AT, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, ONE OF THEIR THEIR HIT POINTS WAS THIS COMPLEX BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE TOO FAR FROM IT. AND I THINK THE IDEA THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY GREW UP WITH, BUT THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE EVEN WANT TO GROW UP WITH. I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT GREW UP IN THE BRONX GREW, GREW UP NICE. THEY GREW UP HAPPY. 
          THEY WERE HAPPY WITH THEIR LIVES. PEOPLE THAT GREW UP ON 80 ACRES IN KANSAS WERE ALSO HAPPY WITH THEIR LIVES. YEAH. THE MARKETPLACE HAS TYPICALLY BEEN THE PLACE WHERE PREFERENCES ARE EXPRESSED AND AGGREGATED. AND SO IT KIND OF IS FUNNY HOW PEOPLE WRING THEIR HANDS, FORGETTING THAT THEY PROBABLY ARE ALSO CARD CARRYING CAPITALISTS. THEY BELIEVE IN THE FREE MARKET SYSTEM, USUALLY. RIGHT. MOST AMERICANS DO. AND SO TO I MEAN, I'M GENERALIZING, I KNOW, BUT IT'S JUST FUNNY HOW THEY GET WORRIED ABOUT THIS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, FORGETTING THAT PEOPLE EXPRESS THEMSELVES BY WHAT THEY BUY. ALTHOUGH THEN WE HEAR THE SAD STORIES ABOUT I CAN'T AFFORD AN INTEREST RATE AND I'M LIVING ON MY PARENTS COUCH. I MEAN, WE HEAR THOSE TOO. BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK HISTORICALLY BEFORE WORLD WAR TWO, THE HOUSING MARKET WE THINK OF DIDN'T EXIST, RIGHT? IS THAT GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE POINT IS, PEOPLE LIVED FOR A LONG TIME WITHOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, 1000FT■!S ON A QUARTER ACRE. ITS INTERESTING. IT'S INTERESTING. SO I JUST POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE OF COURSE, THESE DATA, BUT IT ALSO IS AN EFFORT BY THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. AND IT'S NOT JUST CDS, BUT IT'S JUST TRYING TO GET TO THAT DEVELOPER FRIENDLY ELEMENT. SO THAT'S WHY YES, THE CODE WAS WRITTEN AND WE'RE WORKING ON DEFINITIONS TO HELP. OOPS. TO HELP ADDRESS THE MARKET AND ALSO TO ADDRESS IMPACT FEES AND TO ADDRESS THE FIRE CODE. BUT REALLY IT IS TRYING TO BE DEVELOPER FRIENDLY AND THE MARKET IS DRIVING US TO, TO HELP THEM IN SOME WAY. SO DEVELOPERS DON'T GENERALLY BUILD SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LET IT COST A LOT OF MONEY ON A LOAN. YES, BUT WHEN THEY START 
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PAYING IT BEFORE, ESPECIALLY BIGGER DEVELOPERS THAT SPEND MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THEY'VE DONE THEIR RESEARCH. YES. YEAH. YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE SMART INDIVIDUALS. THEY KNOW THE UTILITY I'LL GO THROUGH. SO I GAVE A HANDOUT TO YOU. I TRIED TO MAKE IT JUST SO YOU COULD I TEND TO LIKE TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST. SO I HAVE THE OLD CODE. YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THESE I TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS SECTIONS. SOME OF THEM ARE TWEAKS. AND THEN THE BLUE IS FULL ON ADDITIONS TO IT. AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE IF I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU. REALLY, I DIDN'T WANT TO BORE YOU WITH READING EVERY DEFINITION UNLESS YOU'D LIKE ME TO. AS I SAID, THIS IS OUR FIRST STAB AT IT. SO THE FIRST ONE IS WE. WE CHANGE. YOU'LL NOTICE NONE OF THE DEFINITIONS SAY SINGLE FAMILY HOME. NONE OF THEM SAY DUPLEX. NONE OF THEM SAY TOWNHOME. WHAT WE GOT TO WAS DWELLING UNIT. AND WE WANTED TO DESCRIBE WHAT IT ACTUALLY WAS. AND SO I WILL SHOW SOME PICTURES OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT. SO HOW ABOUT I JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. SO THE FIRST UNIT IS WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DEFINE WHAT A DWELLING UNIT IS. MOST OF THE TIME WHAT WE GET PROBLEMS WITH IS WHEN PEOPLE SAY, IS IT AN INDEPENDENT AND SELF-CONTAINED LIVING FACILITY? THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THAT. YOU WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY, BUT MOST OF THE TIME THE BUILDING CODE FALLS BACK ON A PERMANENT KITCHEN. SO WHAT EXACTLY IS A DWELLING IS. SO WE DEFINE THAT. WE JUST ADDED A LITTLE TWEAK FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE JUST TO CALL IN. JOHN ISN'T HERE, BUT WE DID CALL OUT THE GROUP HOMES AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THOSE WERE ALREADY IN OUR CODE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT BY ADA. BUT WE DO EXCLUDE THE BOARDING HOUSE. WE CAN RELOOK AT THAT. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE. THOSE TEND TO BE CONTROVERSIAL. AND SO WE'D BE OPEN TO LOOKING AT THAT. I WAS JUST POINTING OUT THE DWELLING UNIT JOHN DEFINITION, BECAUSE WE DO WE DO EXCLUDE BOARDING AND ROOMING HOUSES. JUST TO GET BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, IF YOU'D WANT US TO READDRESS THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. BUT WE JUST KEPT THAT IN FROM WHAT WAS IN THE DEFINITION BEFORE. SO REALLY ALL WE ADDED WAS THIS INDEPENDENT, SELF-CONTAINED WITH PERMANENT LIVING. SLEEPING, EATING, COOKING AND SANITATION. IS THERE A DEFINITION SOMEWHERE OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLE OF AN RV? THERE IS. THERE'S A THE APA KEEPS A DATABASE OF ALL. NOT ALL CITIES BUT MOST CITIES CODE. AND SO THEY JUST PUT THAT OUT AS LIKE MULTIPLE DEFINITIONS OF RV. 
          SO YEAH, OUR OUR VIEW WOULD NOT BE A DWELLING UNIT UNDER THAT DEFINITION. YEAH. YEAH. IN SOME PLACES IS THE BOULDER DWELLING UNIT. I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT TAUGHT SOMEBODY ELSE SAID CREATING, THINKING CREATIVELY OF HOW THEY CAN KIND OF I'VE HEARD PEOPLE GET PUT IN THE DOGHOUSE AND THAT WOULD NOT BE A DWELLING UNIT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO, SO ACTUALLY, TO ADD TO COUNCILOR BRADFORD SUGGESTION, I THINK, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HOUSE WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT BECAUSE IT IS ONE POSSIBILITY TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS. HOMELESSNESS AND JUST THE COST OF LIVING FOR WORKERS, RIGHT. YEAH. SINGLE PEOPLE CAN LIVE SAFELY AND HAVE FOOD PROVIDED IF THEY'RE OPERATING THE WAY YOU DO. GET AN ELEMENT OF TRANSIENTS IN THERE, WHICH YOU DON'T GET IN YOUR TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF A PLACE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT THIS IS A BIG BUT YOU DON'T. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WE MAY WANT TO THINK THAT THROUGH BECAUSE WE KNOW EVEN WITH OUR AIRBNB, YOU CAN SEE AIRBNB THAT WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE TRANSIENT NATURE OF THE VISITORS. AND SO. YEAH, MIKE, SO OUR ZONING CODE DOES HAVE A DEFINITION OF THE WORD RECREATIONAL VEHICLE. IT'S DEFINED AS ANY VEHICLE OR UNIT MOUNTED ON WHEELS, DESIGNED TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY LIVING QUARTERS FOR RECREATIONAL CAMPING, TRAVEL OR EMERGENCY USE, AND OF A SIZE OR WEIGHT FOR WHICH UNRESTRICTED USE OF THE HIGHWAYS OF THE STATE CAN BE MADE WITHOUT A SPECIAL HIGHWAY USE PERMIT. I'M SURE THAT'S REFERRING TO TITLE 49 OF THE STATE CODE. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN HERE TO. I WOULD LEAVE BOARDING HOUSES OUT FOR RIGHT NOW IF WE IF THEY REALLY DO COME BACK, IF SOMEBODY SAYS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S AN IDEA OR WHATEVER, THEN I WOULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW I WOULD. MY PREFERENCE IS JUST TO LEAVE IT UP TO WHAT SHE'S SAYING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GREAT CALL. 
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YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THAT'S MORE WORK TO DO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST DO THINK THAT IF WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO DIVERSIFY OUR HOUSING STOCK, BOARDING HOUSES WITH, WITH PROFESSIONALS AND, AND THE INTERNS THAT WE GET, AND I JUST THINK THERE'S COULD HELP SOLVE SOME OF OUR WORKER HOUSING CRISIS. AND I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK, THOUGH TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE WANT TO DO THIS. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A MEDIA CALL, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD PUT ON YOUR LIST AS WELL. WHAT DO YOU THINK A GOOD SOLUTION. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE ONE THING I THINK I DON'T THINK DEFINING IT MAKES IT SOMETHING WE'RE IMPOSING ON ANY PARTICULAR ZONE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT BELONGS EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY EITHER. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I GOT. YEAH. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. USE YOUR JUDGMENT. WE OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE FIRST DEFINITION WE GET TO IS THE SINGLE UNIT DETACHED. THIS ONE'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE AS WE GO THROUGH THESE DEFINITIONS THAT WE SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT IS THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE. THE REASON WE CALL THESE OUT YOU'LL SEE THAT GO FROM IRC. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT HAS IVC. THE REASON BEING FOR THAT IS TO ADDRESS THE IDEA OF SPRINKLERS AND FIRE, AND ALSO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES THAT NEED TO OCCUR FOR THESE TYPE OF BUILDINGS. I DON'T THINK MUCH NEEDS TO BE SAID ABOUT A SINGLE UNIT DETACHED. I THINK WE I TRIED TO DRAW THIS WAS BY MICROSOFT SQUARES RIGHT THERE, BUT JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT THAT IS A SINGLE DWELLING ON A LOT. THEN WE GET TO THE DWELLING TWO UNITS. SO THIS IS A SINGLE STRUCTURE CONSISTING OF TWO DWELLING UNITS. SO THIS ONE WE WERE GETTING IN REGARDS TO LIKE SO IT'S NOT A DUPLEX, IT'S A DWELLING TWO UNIT. BUT WE TRIED TO GIVE SOME VARIATION ON HOW THESE WERE CONSTRUCTED, BUT PRIMARILY THAT THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED UNDER THE I.R.C. SO THESE DEAL WITH SINGLE INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP OR RENTAL. 
          SO ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT UP THESE COULD BE DIVIDED IN HALF LIKE YOU TYPICALLY SEE OF A DUPLEX. THIS IS A DWELLING TWO UNIT. OR YOU CAN DO IT HORIZONTALLY. THIS IS ACTUALLY A DUPLEX THAT'S ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. SO NOTICE THERE ARE TWO DOORS. ONE DOOR GOES UP, ONE DOOR STAYS HERE AND DOWN. SO JUST THAT'S HOW WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT ELEMENT OF A DWELLING TWO UNIT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE DWELLING SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED. SO THIS IS SO THIS IS A NEW ONE. IT'S A STRUCTURE CONTAINING DWELLING. IT'S WHERE ALL SUCH UNITS ARE LOCATED ON SEPARATE LOTS. SO WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM BEING ON A SINGLE SHARED LOT IN A SECOND ON MULTI, BUT THAT THIS ONE WOULD BE BY A FIREWALL FOLLOWING THE IRC. SO THEN WE'RE ADDRESSING THE SPRINKLER ELEMENT. AND WE'RE ALSO ADDRESSING THE FIRE CODE AS WELL AS DELINEATING BETWEEN THAT TOWNHOME CONCEPT AND THE ACTUAL DUPLEX. REMEMBER THOSE ARE NO LONGER IN OUR CODE. IT'S A DWELLING SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. SO THAT'S WHAT THESE WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOU BASICALLY HAVE A PROPERTY LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE. YOU HAVE A SHARED WALL THAT'S BUILT TO THE IRC. THE FIRE RATED WALL GOES FROM BASE ALL THE WAY UP INTO THE ROOF SYSTEM. AND THEN WE HAVE THE DWELLING MULTI UNIT ATTACHED. AND THIS ENCAPSULATES PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THIS IS A STRUCTURE THAT CONTAINS THREE OR MORE. NOTICE WE CAPPED THAT NUMBER FOR A REASON BECAUSE OF THE IBC. SO THAT THIS WOULD BE THIS WOULD BE A STRUCTURE OR MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS IN A STRUCTURE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SPRINKLERED. THIS WOULD ADDRESS THE FIRE CODE ISSUE. AND THIS IS WHERE THEY AND THIS IS ALSO TO CAPTURE THE NUMBER SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THAT TOWNHOME LOOPHOLE THAT HAS BEEN USED IN THE AND THE IMPACT THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE WITH THAT. THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE. 
          AND THIS IS JUST TO PROVIDE MORE DIVERSITY. WE'VE REFERENCED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES IN OUR CODE, BUT WE ACTUALLY FOUND WE NEVER DEFINED IT. SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW DEFINITION FOR A LIVE WORK UNIT. SO THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER RADFORD AND LARSON WERE SAYING. THIS IS HOW WE USED TO CONSTRUCT BACK PRE WORLD WAR TWO, WHERE PEOPLE USED TO SHOP AND THEY USED TO HAVE THEIR BUSINESS IN THE BOTTOM LIKE A DRY CLEANER. AND THEN THEY WOULD LIVE ABOVE IT. WE TALK ABOUT LIVE WORK BUT WE NEVER DEFINED IT. AND SO WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO SO HERE. THESE ARE JUST IMAGES. 
          THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS I JUST USED THE GOOGLE AS MY GREAT AUNT SAYS, THE GOOGLE AND I TRIED TO 
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FIND SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY DEFINED AND SHOWED THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE BEST IMAGE THAT I COULD FIND, BUT BUT THAT'S THE CONCEPT THERE IS THAT NOW WE HAVE IT CLEARLY DEFINED AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR DEVELOPERS TO GRASP ON TO THIS CONCEPT AS WELL. THE WHOLE THING, AS YOU REMEMBER FROM OUR WALKABLE CENTERS, IS PEOPLE TO LIVE AND WORK. AND AS WE DENSIFY DENSIFYING IS NOT A BAD WORD, IT'S JUST THE CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE. AND IF YOU'RE CONCENTRATING PEOPLE, CAN THEY GET THEIR SERVICES AND THINGS THAT THEY NEED WITHIN CLOSE TO WHERE THEY LIVE. SO THOSE ARE THE DEFINITIONS. I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT LAST ONE, JUST ABOUT THE ON THE ON THE BOTTOM LINE OF THAT PAGE. AND IT SAYS THE RESIDENT OF THE DWELLING UNIT RIGHT WOULD LIVE ABOVE. YES. YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT SPACE TO BE OCCUPIED BY A FAMILY THAT DIDN'T RUN THE BUSINESS DOWN BELOW. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I GUESS I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT WHEN WE WRITING THAT BECAUSE THEY COULD RENT IT OUT, COULDN'T THEY. YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND OFTEN DO OFTEN DO. WE COULD, WE CAN. THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE INFORMAL I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY LIKELY SCENARIO THAT MORE LIKELY. YEAH. YEAH. SURE. EXACTLY. YEAH. LET ME ADDRESS THAT. WE CAN REFINE THAT OKAY. AGAIN YOU STILL MEET THE DENSIFICATION AND ALL THAT. BUT IT JUST PROVIDES SOME HOPEFULLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR SOMETHING OF A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WE HAVEN'T SEEN SINCE 1940. AND YOU'LL REFERENCE THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE ON THAT ONE AS WELL. YES. AND FOR INFILL THIS COULD BE A. POSITIVE WHERE YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, YOU MIGHT ALSO. PUT WHAT OTHER INPUT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE. AS I SAID THIS WAS OUR FIRST SWIPE. WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THIS TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. THEY WILL PROBABLY PROVIDE A GREAT DEAL OF INPUT ON HOW THEY BUILD, BUT ANY CHANCE OF GETTING A DIGITAL VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT? YEAH, YEAH, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU. IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD CONNECTED HOMES. 
          AS I LOOKED THROUGH THIS LIKE. MULTI-UNIT AND THEY WANTED TO NOT SPRINKLE, BUT THEY WANTED TO PUT A FIREWALL UP BETWEEN EACH UNIT, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED? SO THAT'S THE SO THAT'S THE MULTI UNIT. BUILT TO IBC. OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED. YOU JUST HAD A PICTURE UP THERE THAT HAD LIKE FOUR OF FOUR OF THEM. YEAH THAT LOOK TO THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. THEY WANTED TO BUILD THE FIREWALL. GO BACK IN BETWEEN THEM. THEY COULD BUILD THIS AND THEY COULD PUT 20 OF THOSE TOGETHER. AS A SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED. BUT THOSE WERE AS IF AS IF THEY HAD SEPARATE. IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE PROPERTY ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING CODE. YEAH. AND THEY'D HAVE TO AND THEY'D HAVE TO LEAVE THE AREA FOR THE PROPERTY, BASICALLY BOUNDARY FROM THE LOT. OKAY. SO THEY DO HAVE THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN LOT. BUT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S CAPPED AT THREE OR IT STARTS AT THREE. SO IF THERE'S THREE UNITS OR MORE THERE WERE JUST IF YOU GO TO THIS ONE ROW OF THEM, THIS ONE WOULD BE BUILT ACCORDING TO THE IBC WOULD HAVE TO, WHICH INCLUDES SPRINKLERS. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHETHER THEY COULD BUILD THIS AND PUT UP A FIREWALL. LIKE WE HAD THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION WITH THE OTHER. AS LONG AS THEY DIVIDE THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY DIVISION. SO ACCORDING TO THE IRC OR IPC. YEAH. OKAY. GO BACK TO THE DUPLEX I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT'S OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SIDE YARD. THEY COULD BUILD. THEY COULD BUILD A DOES, THEY WILL, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY NEED A SIDE YARD. YEAH. ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE YOU'D HAVE A SEPARATION HERE BE FIVE FEET. SO FIVE FEET ON BOTH SIDES. THAT'D BE TEN FEET. SO THIS IS JUST ILLUSTRATING. SO YOU COULD STACK THEM RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. YOU COULD YOU COULD AN EXAMPLE THAT'S ON THE. STREET IN THE FREEMAN. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S. FREEMAN RIGHT. OR ALL OF THOSE WHITE. YEAH. OH, UP ON THE NORTH SIDE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S BUILT. THAT'S BUILT. THOSE ARE ALL SEPARATE PROPERTIES OKAY. PRESTO. SEPARATE. YEAH. SEPARATE PROPERTIES. WE HAVE ACCESS BASICALLY ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT WITH THE FIRE ACCESS BECAUSE THERE'S KIND OF AN ALLEY DOWN THE BACK AND THERE'S SIX I THINK THERE'S 16. SO THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALLY THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL UNITS OKAY. PROPERTY LINE. AND YOU COULD BUILD THAT OKAY. AND THAT FITS INTO ONE OF 
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THESE. AND THAT FITS INTO THE DWELLING SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED. AND THEY'RE NOT SPRINKLED. 
          THEY'RE NOT I JUST HAVE FIREWALL. YEAH. FIREWALL. FIREWALL JUST LIKE THAT. 
          PROPERTY LINES DWELLING UNIT FIREWALLS IN BETWEEN. AND BUT IT'S THE LOT LINE. THAT'S THE LOT LINE REALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT OF THAT SINGLE UNIT ATTACHED VERSUS THE MULTI-UNIT. IT ALSO MAKES THEM INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESSED. RIGHT. WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TOO, BECAUSE THEN IT'S MUCH EASIER TO FIND THAT IT HELPS US DEFINE WHAT TRULY IS THAT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY UNIT VERSUS A MULTI-FAMILY, MORE OF AN APARTMENT FEEL COMPLEX. 
          AND THE WAY THAT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, IT STRIKES ME ONE OF THE BIG GOALS. IS YOU WANT TO BE WITHIN THE EITHER THE RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO THAT CLEARLY DEFINES EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS. YES. DOES ANYBODY ELSE KIND OF DONE THIS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER CITY WE TRIED TO LOOK AND THE ANSWER IS NO. LIKE SO YEAH WE'RE, WE'RE AND WE PUT THE IRC AND IBC LANGUAGE IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE LANGUAGE OF CONTRACTORS. I MEAN, RIGHT, THE, THE CODE YOU SUPPOSEDLY SHOULD WRITE TO LIKE A SIXTH GRADE LEVEL. AND SUPPOSEDLY THAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE TO KNOW. I REALIZE OUR CODE, WE TRY TO GET THESE DEFINITIONS TO WHERE A CONTRACTOR, ESPECIALLY THAT WOULD READ IT AND A DESIGNER WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, YEAH, IT'S BUILT TO THE IBC. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE DON'T FOR A FOR A SITE PLAN. AND WE SAY PERMIT AND WE SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH, THEY WOULD KNOW PRIOR TO THAT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S TRYING TO GET THAT CONSISTENCY AND EASE AS THEY'RE DESIGNING THESE. WE THINK THOSE DEFINITIONS ALSO HELP US BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY A TRANSIENT IN NATURE. THEY'RE GOING TO RUN OUT EACH ONE OF THOSE SPACES WHERE THE OTHER ONE COULD BE SOLD OFF INDIVIDUALLY. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S THE KEY BECAUSE THEY'LL NEED THE THEY'LL NEED THAT PROPERTY LINE ANYWAY FOR THAT PURPOSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO SELL OFF OF ROADHOUSE. ROADHOUSE I DON'T THINK. AND CHIEF KNOWS THIS I THINK PICTURES ARE ALWAYS. HELPFUL. I MEAN, THEY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOOD. THE DEFINITIONS AND THE PICTURES ARE. YEAH, I'M A VISUAL. SO I LIKE TO SEE FOR THE DEVELOPERS IT'S THE CLARITY IS IN THE PICTURES. WE'RE WORKING ON OUR WEBSITE. LIKE AFTER THESE GO THROUGH, WE WOULD WORK ON OUR WEBSITE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS IS X. AND THIS IS Y, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE EXAMPLES IF POSSIBLE BEFORE YOU PRESENT. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MERGE. YOU GET THE SAME TALENT ON THE FIRE PIECE TOO, SO THAT YOU HAVE UNIFORM SLIDES PRESENTING BOTH SIDES. BUT COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE THEY TAKE THIS TO DEVELOPERS FOR INPUT? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON OR ASK THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HEARD TODAY THAT JUST REALLY RANKLES YOUR SENSE OF WHAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED? EVERYBODY'S FEELING LIKE WE'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT SAFETY WITH THAT DENSITY, WITH THAT LACK OF FRUSTRATION, BECAUSE OF THE CLARITY, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO FRUSTRATE THE DEVELOPERS. OKAY. SO LOOKING AT THIS SCHEDULE. I AM WONDERING IF. TO AVOID HAVING OLD STANDARD WHICH WOULD STILL BE LEGAL UP UNTIL OCTOBER 2025 TO AVOID HAVING TOO MANY OLD STANDARD THINGS THAT PEOPLE TRY TO SLIDE THROUGH. I MEAN, NOT THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT CAN WE EMPHASIZE WHEN YOU HAVE THESE DEVELOPER MEETINGS THAT WHEN WE START TO GET CONSENSUS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO TRY TO WORK TOWARD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE LAW? OR SHOULD WE JUST KEEP OUR MOUTHS SHUT? HOW DOES THAT WORK WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT IT WON'T CHANGE UNTIL OCTOBER? I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I JUST KNOW FROM PRACTICE YOU, YOU YOU DON'T WANT TO USE A SUBJECTIVE STANDARD. IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT APPROVED BY THE LAND USE AUTHORITY. SO IF CITY COUNCIL HASN'T APPROVED SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO, IT JUST PUTS US IN A LEGAL I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PUT TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STUDIED AND STUDIED AND KNOW IS NOT SAFE ENOUGH. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. AND I AND WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH THIS TIMELINE REALIZING IT'S A IT CAN BE A MOVING TARGET. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HOLD TO THIS. BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS RAMPING UP. SO I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT SENTIMENT. I JUST HATE PUTTING THE COUNCIL IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING 
          [02:05:03]
THAT'S LEGAL BUT NOT SAFE ENOUGH. SO THOUGHTS? OR WE WANTED TO JUST JUST IN IDAHO THAT YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS ATTACH WHEN YOU PUT IN YOUR APPLICATION OR WHAT FOR WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ASKING FOR. SO YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS TO WHAT'S IN THE SUBDIVISION CODE ATTACHES WHEN YOU FILE YOUR PLAT, YOUR FINAL PLAT, AND THEN YOU YOU ARE QUALIFIED FOR WHATEVER IS IN THE SUBDIVISION AT THAT TIME FOR BUILDING AND LAND USES. THAT'S WHATEVER IS IN THE ZONING CODE. 
          WHEN YOU APPLY FOR YOUR BUILDING PERMIT. SO. WHILE WE COULD TALK TO PEOPLE AND TELL THEM THAT THIS IS LIKELY GOING TO CHANGE, THAT THE CITY CANNOT REQUIRE ANYONE TO FOLLOW WHAT IT THINKS ITS LAW MIGHT BE UNTIL IT IS THE LAW. ONE OTHER THING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER IS THAT IF THEY. THINK THERE'S A EMINENT RISK TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN ISSUE A MORATORIUM TO PAUSE ALL DEVELOPMENT UNTIL YOU CAN ADOPT THE ZONING CODE CHANGES THAT YOU FEEL LIKE ARE APPROPRIATE. NOW, THAT'S THE MORATORIUM WORD THAT NOBODY LIKES, BUT THOSE ARE YOUR OPTIONS. WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN FRANCIS, DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN WITH SOMETHING ELSE? NO. WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED. WELL, THIS IS A TINY BIT HYPOTHETICAL, BUT IT WOULD BE IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO HAVE APPROVED SOMETHING LAST YEAR THAT'S BEING WOULD BE APPLIED FOR THIS YEAR. BUT THIS YEAR, AFTER HAVING A WHOLE YEAR'S WORTH MORE OF EXPERIENCE AND AWARENESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF SAFETY RISKS, AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PLANS THAT WE SAW EARLIER IN THIS PRESENTATION, AND THEY MADE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DECISION, BUT IT WAS STILL DEFENSIBLE DEPENDING ON HOW YOU APPLIED EXISTING CODES, WOULD A JUDGE SAY YOU CAN'T CANCEL? YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OUTCOMES WITH THE SAME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? OR COULD THE COUNCIL OR COULD THE ARGUMENT BE I DON'T KNOW. COUNCIL CONSISTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSTANTLY LEARNING AND EDUCATING THEMSELVES AND THEY APPLIED A NEW UNDERSTANDING TO THIS. I MEAN, WOULD A JUDGE. THE JUDGE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT WHAT THE ZONING CODE WAS ADOPTED AT THE TIME THAT DISPUTE GOT STARTED. SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S DIFFERING INTERPRETATIONS. AND SO THE COUNCIL MIGHT BE MORE INCLINED NOW TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO FOR THAT 20 19.5FT OR 20 FOOT WIDTH WHEN WE KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING HYBRID THERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THE 26. BUT WE DIDN'T REQUIRE THE 26 LAST YEAR. ARE YOU ASKING WHETHER THERE'S LIABILITY TO THE CITY? I'M NOT. YEAH, MAYBE I AM. I JUST WONDER IF THE COUNCIL CAN DO THAT OR IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME IN AND SAY, NO, YOU GUYS APPROVED THIS BEFORE, YOU SHOULD APPROVE IT NOW. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR LAW. THAT'S ALL THE SUBJECTIVITY THAT WE'RE SEEING IN HOW PEOPLE ARE INTERPRETING CAN ALSO. SO IF COUNCIL IF IT IS JUST AN INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW, ANYONE CAN CHALLENGE THAT AT ANY TIME. SO IF, IF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE ZONING CODE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE ACCESS AND THAT THE CITY IN INTERPRETING WHAT FIRE ACCESS MEANS, COMES UP WITH A NEW REQUIREMENT, THEN YES, A DEVELOPER CAN CHALLENGE THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THE COURT MIGHT CONSIDER IS THE CITY'S PAST INTERPRETATIONS. BUT I THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT THE COURT WILL COME UP WITH ITS OWN INTERPRETATION. I APPRECIATE THAT, SORRY THAT I WENT THERE. 
          GO AHEAD, JIM, AND JUST FORGET THE LAST THREE MINUTES. I JUST WONDERED IF WE COULD DO ONE THING PIECEMEAL AND DO THE 26FT. PRETTY PROPERLY TO HELP DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A COMMUNITY SAFETY THING. THAT'S PRETTY BIG. AND WE'VE BEEN FOR THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF. WE'VE BEEN USING THAT STANDARD ANYWAYS, IN ALL OF OUR REVIEWS, THE 26 FOOT, BASED ON THE APPENDIX D SECTION THAT SAYS IF IT HAS A HEIGHT OR NOT, AND THEN THE 30 FOOT TURNING RADIUS, THAT IS WHAT'S THE TURNING RADIUS CALLED OUT NOW 30. OKAY. SO WE HAVE WE CAN UPDATE THAT REAL I MEAN YOU'VE BEEN USING IT. SO WE COULD DO A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT. 
          YEAH WE COULD DO A FAIRLY QUICK UPDATE ON OUR FIRE ORDINANCE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. ON CDS SIDE, WE FEEL LIKE THE 26 WAS AN EASY WIN. I COULD JUST CODIFY IT AND MAKE IT A STANDARD A LOT EASIER. 
          SO WITHOUT WITHOUT REALLY CAUSING A LOT OF ANGST TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THIS IS BEING IMPLEMENTED. AND SO I THINK WE'RE THROUGH MOST OF THE FRUSTRATION AND REALLY THE FRUSTRATION CAME AT THE TRANSITION POINT OF SITTING DOWN WITH ENGINEERS THAT HAD DRAWN THINGS OUT ALREADY. AND THEN, ARE YOU KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? YEAH. HAVE TO REDRAW THIS 
          [02:10:02]
BECAUSE THE STREETS ARE GOING TO BE WIDER AND I DON'T HAVE THE ROOM I USED TO. I SEE A PROBLEM WITH DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN MULTIPLE PHASES, KIND OF A THING. RIGHT? WHERE WE WERE, WE THEY'RE HELD TO DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT PHASES OF THEIR SAME DEVELOPMENT. AND, WELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE ONE THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD BE. AND IT DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED. AND I WOULD DEFER TO MIKE ON THIS BECAUSE IT AS HE SAID, IT'S WHEN THE ENTITLEMENT GOES INTO PLACE. SO WHENEVER THAT PHASE WAS APPROVED, THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT IT'S HELD TO. OKAY. BUT IT'S LIKE IT'S LIKE I MEAN I'M THINKING OF IVY WOOD OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT. THAT WAS BUILT IN SEVEN DIFFERENT. YEAH. AND MAYBE SOMETHING TO HELP YOU IS THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A DRASTIC THERE'S NOT A DRASTIC SWING. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THE ROAD IS 15FT HERE AND THEN IT'S 30FT HERE. IT'S REALLY PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. IT'S JUST BY INTERPRETATION OF WHERE THAT CODE LIE AT THE TIME. SO YOU DON'T REALLY. IT'S JUST NOT A BIG SWING. IT'S JUST I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD BASICALLY. BUT YEAH, NO, THAT COULD BE A, AN ARGUMENT THAT WE HEAR IS THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING THE GOALPOSTS ON ME KIND OF THING. I THINK THE BIGGER PROBABLY DISCUSSION WILL BECOME NOT NECESSARILY ON THE ROADS OR PROBABLY REALLY ANY OF THESE CODE ADOPTIONS. IT'LL BE ON THE MULTI-UNIT ATTACHED. AND THE PROPERTY LINES. YEAH, I THINK THAT'LL BE POTENTIALLY THE DISCUSSION POINTS. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WILL DRASTICALLY CHANGE HOW THEY BUILD AND THE COST OR THE SPRINKLER OR. YEAH, ANYTHING THAT. YEAH THAT'S WHERE THE STICKING. WELL THE ARGUMENT AGAINST MY WHAT I BROUGHT UP TOO IS THAT A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE ARE PUDS. RIGHT. THAT THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH RIGHT NOW. AND THEY DON'T BUILD IN PHASES. YEAH, RIGHT. THEY JUST COME IN ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND TRY TO PUT UP AS MANY DOORS AS POSSIBLE. YEAH. SO IT'S SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT GETS ADOPTED. DOES THE TERM PUD GO AWAY. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE'VE INTERNALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT AT STAFF. AND NO THERE'S STILL A NEED FOR THE PUD. HOW I DESCRIBE IT IS YOU WANT TO ADD YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR CONDITIONS ARE GOOD WHEN YOU APPROVE THEM. BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE FLIPPING THE ZONING CODE UPSIDE DOWN. THAT'S WHAT IT DOES. AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF A PUD IS REALLY IT'S FOR INFILL OR FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO, IT WOULDN'T PUT THE PUD AWAY. WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO MODIFY IT ACCORDING TO THESE DEFINITIONS AND TWEAK THEM A LITTLE BIT. THE TERMINOLOGY IS CONSISTENT. YES, THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. BUT NO, I DON'T SEE PUD IS SOMETHING THAT'S I'VE WORKED IN FIVE DIFFERENT STATES AND EVERY STATE HAS A PUD ORDINANCE AND THEY THEY ALL FUNCTION JUST FINE. BUT IT'S MOST OF THE TIME WHAT IT IS, IS THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ADDING ON TO THEM THAT BECOME PROBLEMATIC, WHAT YOU REQUIRE, BECAUSE THE PUD IS KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE, AND SOMETIMES IT'S TAKEN MORE THAN GIVEN OR GIVEN MORE THAN TAKEN. SO THAT'S MORE EVER THE ISSUE. 
          SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT THAT MULTIFAMILY AND THIS IS THAT GOOD EXAMPLE IS IT COULD STILL BE BUILT THIS WAY TODAY TO THE IRC. THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO INDEPENDENTLY DRAW THOSE PROPERTY LINES IN BETWEEN THOSE UNITS AND THEN BE ABLE TO BE BUILT. YEAH. THE STREET. YES. 
          JUST BE DONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. SO IF YOU BUILD DO THE PROPERTY LINES AND GET THE STREETS A LITTLE WIDER SO YOU CAN GET A FIRE TRUCK DOWN THAT'S BUILT TODAY, DON'T HAVE TO SPRINT. SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MICHAEL KIRKHAM. IMPLEMENT AFTER BUILDING SEASON. WHAT DOES WHAT DOES IMPLEMENT MEAN. DOES THAT MEAN IF ONCE THEY HAVE THE FINAL PLAT ONCE I MEAN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENT THE DEFINITION THAT MEANS YEAH, THAT WAS ME THAT WROTE IT. YEAH. 
          I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO JUST SAY WHAT I THINK IT MEANS AND THEN WAIT. I GUESS YOU CAN CLARIFY. I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO HEAR THE LEGAL. YEAH, IMPLEMENTATION TO ME WOULD MEAN THAT IT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL INTO AN ORDINANCE. YES. SO THAT MEANS THAT BY OCTOBER 2025, THE COUNCIL HAS HELD ALL THE HEARINGS REQUIRED AND THAT IT'S GONE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND COMMENT, AND THAT AFTER ALL, THE PROCESS 
          [02:15:06]
THAT'S REQUIRED UNDER THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT, THAT THE COUNCIL AGREES THAT THAT'S THE CORRECT ACTION TO TAKE AND ADOPTS IT INTO THE LAW AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHAT IMPLEMENTATION WOULD MEAN TO ME. YOU COULD ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS A DATE THAT OCCURS LATER. SO IN FACT, THERE ARE SOME ORDINANCES YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT WITH, LIKE THE IMPACT THE IMPROVEMENTS MUST BECOME EFFECTIVE 30 DAYS AFTER IT'S PASSED. SO YOU COULD IMPLEMENT LEGISLATION WITH A DATE CERTAIN ON THE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE OF WHEN IT WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE. 
          SO BUT THAT WOULD THAT'S WHAT IMPLEMENTATION MEANS TO ME. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S. NO, THAT THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING. LIKE IF WE ONE THING I SPECIFICALLY WOULD WANT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE IS WHEN IT WOULD TAKE EFFECT. BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THAT CRYSTAL CLEAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. THAT TAKES EFFECT JANUARY 1ST, 2026 OR MAY 31ST OF 2027, OR WHATEVER DATE IS CHOSEN BASED ON THEIR FINAL PLAN. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION. THAT'S THAT'S THE OTHER PART THAT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON. YEAH. THE ZONING CODE AFFECTS WHAT YOU CAN HAVE IN YOUR PLATS. IT AFFECTS ON WHAT YOU CAN BUILD AND IT AFFECTS WHAT KIND OF USES YOU CAN HAVE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES INTO EFFECT FOR SOMEBODY'S RIGHTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. SO FOR YOUR PLAT, IF YOUR FINAL PLAT WAS LET'S SAY OCTOBER 1ST IS THE DATE, IF YOUR FINAL PLAT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE, THEN WHATEVER IS ON YOUR PLAT IS CEMENTED. BUT YOUR RIGHT TO BUILD IS NOT CEMENTED. YOUR RIGHT TO USE THE PROPERTY'S NOT CEMENTED. SO YOU WE HAVE RIGHT NOW A DISPUTE IN WHICH PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEIR BUILDING RIGHTS ARE TIED TO THEIR PLATS, PARTICULARLY THEIR PRELIMINARY PLATS. PRELIMINARY PLATS ARE PRELIMINARY. THEY'RE NOT IN THIS STATE. THEY ARE NOT A PROPERTY RIGHT UNTIL THEY'RE FINALIZED. SO, I MEAN, I GET AS YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY IN PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN FOR HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DIVIDE UP YOUR PROPERT, THAT USUALLY CONCEIVES OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD ON THAT. BECAUSE THESE PLATS SOMETIMES, BUT NOT ALWAYS, ARE ATTACHED TO THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD IMMEDIATELY AFTER YOU GET YOUR APPROVALS. BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN THAT WAY. AND OFTENTIMES WE SEE SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY THAT GET A FINAL PLAT THAT DON'T BUILD FOR YEARS. WHEN YOU BUILD, YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW AS IT EXISTS ON THAT DATE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A STRUCTURE THAT WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED BY THE ZONING CODE AS OF THE DATE THAT YOU WANT TO PULL THE BUILDING PERMIT, YOU'RE YOU'RE CONSTRAINED BY THE ZONING CODE. EVEN IF YOU DESIGNED AND HAD CONCEIVED OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED BEFORE YOU ALLOWED ESSENTIALLY SAT ON YOUR RIGHTS. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL THERE, BECAUSE THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MATTER ABOUT WHEN YOUR RIGHTS GET LOCKED IN. YOU ACTUALLY ANSWERED FOR SOME REASON, I JUST HAD FORGOTTEN IN THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THIS IS THE ZONING CODE. THIS IS THE ZONING CODE CHANGE. SO THIS IS THE HEARINGS. IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THEY CAN HAVE A FINAL PLAT, DOESN'T HAVE THE LINES DESIGNATED AS LOT LINES. THEY CAN COME FORWARD. AND BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN THE ZONING CODE OF WHAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD WHAT THEY HAD ANTICIPATED GOING ON A FINAL PLAT THAT HAD BEEN WE CAN A FINAL PLAT IS ONLY GOOD FOR SIX MONTHS, THOUGH WITHOUT FINAL PLATS GOOD FOREVER. IT'S A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT'S ONLY GOOD FOR SIX MONTHS. YOU'VE GOT TO GET THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT FINAL OUT ONCE YOUR PLAT HAS BEEN FINALIZED, THEN THAT IS WHAT THE PROPERTY LINES ARE. 
          FOREVER. FOREVER UNTIL YOU. UNLESS YOU ASK FOR A CHANGE. YEAH. WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS FOR US TO HAVE ESSENTIALLY A CHART BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ZONING. WE'RE TALKING IMPACT FEE DEFINITIONS. WE'RE TALKING FIRE CODE. ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT WE'RE WANTING TO IMPLEMENT. WHAT KIND OF HEARING PROCESS IS INVOLVED, IF ANY, AND THEN WHAT KIND OF AND WHAT OTHER ENTITIES, P AND Z OR WHOEVER MAY HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME YOU'RE RECOMMENDING FOR TO BE IDEAL SO THAT IT'S THE SIMPLEST PILL FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED TO SWALLOW, BUT THAT IT MOVES US STILL ALONG A PRETTY GOOD PACE SO THAT WE GET MORE SAFETY SOONER. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THE LAST COLUMN WOULD BE, BUT BUT TO WHAT? THE RECOMMENDATION FOR WHEN WE START TO HEAR THINGS. BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS MOVING IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T UPSET ANYBODY, 
          [02:20:04]
BUT AGAIN, STILL GETS US WHERE WE NEED TO GO. AND OVERALL, JUST SO YOU OH SORRY. GO AHEAD. 
          OVERALL, JUST SO THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A FLOW CHART THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED AT CAITLIN IN CHARGE OF THAT TO MAKE A LOT OF THIS EASIER BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, THEY'RE VERY COMPLEX ON A BUILDING PERMIT AND ENTITLEMENT AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO ANYWAYS, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU AND THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE LAW AND THAT IS THAT YOU DO A FINAL DRAFT. SO THAT ESTABLISHES THE LOT LINES. THEN YOU WAIT TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU PULL THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT. WHAT CODE? WHAT ZONING CODE APPLIES WHATEVER IS IN PLACE AT THAT TIME. WOULD YOU PULL THE BUILDING PERMIT? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. SO THAT GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION OF PHASED, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE GOT A FINAL PLAT THAT YOU'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME, IF IT TAKES YOU FOUR YEARS TO PULL ALL THE BUILDING PERMITS, YOUR SITUATION CAN CHANGE. YEAH. AND NOT TO CONVOLUTE IT TOO MUCH WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTY LINES, REALIZE WE'RE ALSO TALKING. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHOPPING UP A PROPERTY THAT'S A SUBDIVISION. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BUILDING PERMIT THAT'S A SEPARATE CODE. YOU DO FALL BACK ON THE ZONING CODE. BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY THAT'S WHERE IT FALLS TO THE IRC OR THE IDC. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING TO. SO THE FINAL PLAT WILL WILL BASICALLY WALK YOU LOTS IN PLACE. BUT THAT'S ALL THAT APPLIES TO. THAT'S ALL THAT. IT'S JUST THE REAL PROPERTY. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ZONING CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH. YEAH. AND THE ZONING CODE ONLY APPLIES WITH LIKE SETBACKS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE BUILDING SIDE. THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT IT COMES INTO. YEAH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE IT CAME IN. AND ONE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER ABOUT PHASE PROJECTS IS THAT WE SEE A VARIETY OF WAYS THAT DEVELOPERS MIGHT PHASE A PROJECT. SO FOR EXAMPLE. WE ONCE THAT SUBDIVISION NORTH OF TOWN, THEY JUST BUILT THE BRIDGE THAT WAS, OH GEEZ, WE JUST WENT THROUGH FAIRWAYS D YEAH, FAIRWAY ESTATES 56 OR 26. FAIRWAY ESTATES IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF ONE WAY THAT DEVELOPERS MIGHT FACE A PROJECT IN WHICH THEY WILL HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND IT MIGHT BE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, OR IT MIGHT BE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN THEY WILL BRING SMALL DIVISIONS AS THEY GO ALONG. SO FAIRWAY ESTATES, UP TO 2626 JUST WENT THROUGH FINAL, CORRECT? YEAH. 26 SEPARATE FINAL PLANS. AND AT THAT POINT THAT'S WHEN THEIR PROPERTY LINES ARE. 
          AND THERE'S REASONS TO DO IT THAT WAY. THEN YOU ARE SURE THAT WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BUILD THAT THE SETBACKS AND THE DIFFERENT LAND USE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY ARE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR PLAN. ANOTHER WAY TO PHASE YOUR PROJECT IS TO DO THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, SUBDIVIDE IT, LOCK IN YOUR PROPERTY LINES, AND THEN DO IT SLOWLY OVER TIME. THE RISK YOU RUN THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE CONCEIVED OF ORIGINALLY? THE CONDITIONS MIGHT HAVE CHANGED. IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED ECONOMICALLY WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BUILD, LET'S SAY, THE STRIP MALL THAT YOU ANTICIPATED BUILDING. OR IT MIGHT CHANGE THAT. THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED ON THE LOT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED FROM WHAT YOU ANTICIPATED TO PUT THERE. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT HAVE ORIGINALLY BEEN IN AN AREA THAT WAS ZONED R2, AND THE AREA WENT THROUGH A CITY WIDE INITIATED REZONE THAT SHIFTED YOU TO AN R3. AND SUDDENLY THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN BUILD ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE. SO THERE ARE RISKS INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THERE IS NO GOOD WAY TO CEMENT YOUR RIGHT TO USE THE PROPERTY THAT YOU IN THE WAY THAT YOU EXPECTED AND WANT TO DO IT, APART FROM DEVELOPING IT OUT ALL THE WAY. ONCE YOU BUILD IT, IT'S THERE AND BUT EVEN THEN, YOU MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO CHANGES IF YOU CHANGE IT, THE USE OF THE BUILDING. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING A LOT ABOUT IS PEOPLE WHO ARE IN A STRUCTURE, AND NOW THEY HAVE CHANGING THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE IN A WAY THAT IT MIGHT REQUIRE. SPRINKLING AND SPRINKLING IS EXPENSIVE AND WELL, THIS DIDN'T NEED TO BE SPRINKLED BEFORE. WELL, YOU WEREN'T USING IT AS A BAR BEFORE, NOW YOU'RE USING IT AS A BAR, SO YOU NEED TO SPRINKLE IT SO THAT WHEN THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS TAKE EFFECT AND WHEN YOUR RIGHT TO USE IT AS AS IT IS, CRYSTALLIZES MIGHT BE, MIGHT DEPEND BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND HOW YOU'RE USING THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT IN FLUX. THANK YOU. OKAY. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF 
          [02:25:05]
QUESTIONS AND SOME HYPOTHETICALS AND SOME CURIOSITY. SATISFIED. SO FOLLOWING THE TIMELINE. ALSO THIS PRESENTATION AND THE PICTURES TODAY WILL BE PUT IN THE COUNCIL'S I CAN SUBMIT DOES THIS TIMELINE WORK IS THAT IS THE ONE THING I'M PRETTY AGGRESSIVE TO ME AT THE OUTSET. 
          AND THEN IT GIVES US TIME TO SMOOTH IT OUT ALL SUMMER LONG. SO I THINK IT DOES WORK. ANY OTHER INPUTS? I JUST WONDER IF THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ORDINANCES WE SHOULD PASS ON THE BASIS OF TAKE EFFECT AT A CERTAIN DATE TO HELP DEVELOPERS ADJUST. I MEAN, WHETHER THAT MEANS THE ACTUAL DATE IS AFTER OCTOBER, LATER IN 2025 OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU GET BOTH OF THEM? BUT IF WE PASS IT, THEN THE DEVELOPERS KNOW WHAT'S COMING, BUT THEY HAVE TRANSITION TIME. AND I WOULD I WOULD THINK ONCE YOU TALK TO THE DEVELOPERS ABOUT THIS, THEY MAY HAVE SEE WHAT THEY HAVE SOME INPUT THAT WE CAN COME BACK WITH. I THINK THAT'S WHY MAYBE YOU CAN PRESENT IT BOTH WAYS. YEAH. PASS AND THEN IT'S REAL. OR HAVE TIME BEFORE YOU PASS IT TO SORT OF WATCH AND SEE WHAT ARISES. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE CHIEF? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU BOTH FOR PRESENTING THIS WORK. I KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T WORK ALONE. CHRIS FREDERICKSON. FREDERICKSON IS IN THE ROOM. MARGARET'S IN THE ROOM. AND, OF COURSE, OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS, SO THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU, BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN SOME GOOD WORK. AND THE FACT THAT THEY COULDN'T FIND MODELS OR OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM SHOWS ME THAT IT'S PROBABLY AN EMERGING TREND IN THE WEST. AND MAYBE AIC NEEDS THE BENEFIT OF YOU PRESENTING TO THEM, BECAUSE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE PROBABLY THINKING THAT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE ONLY HAVE ONE THING LEFT ON THE AGENDA THEN. AND THAT'S JUST FOR OUR OWN BUSINESS. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE LOST ONE PERSON TO A BREAK. IT'S 530. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK NOW AND COME BACK AT 533 OR JUST KEEP GOING? OKAY. LET'S GO. 
          [Mayor and City Council]
YEAH. SO SORRY. THE NEXT ITEMS ON THE LIST, SAME OLD CALENDAR. BUT YOU KNOW, A FEW THINGS HAVE BEEN TWEAKED. WE'VE GOT THERE'S ONE MORE EXTRA ONE HERE. IF YOU COULD PASS IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EMILY. AND THERE'S. I THINK THERE'S AN EXTRA ONE THERE IF YOU WANT TO HAND IT TO MARGARET, IF YOU WANT TO SEE IF MARGARET. ALL RIGHT. THAT ONE. YEAH. THANKS. SO SOME THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, THOUGH, THE MPO MEETING TOMORROW. RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. ALSO TOMORROW AT NOON, MIKE SIMPSON IS THE ROTARY SPEAKER. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO IS NOT IN ROTARY WHO WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HIM SPEAK, PROBABLY YOU SHOULD ENFORCE THAT BEFORE YOU GO HOME TONIGHT SO THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS IN ROTARY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN RSVP MADE. I THINK SEATS WERE SELLING FAST. THEY WERE THEY ONLY HAD LIKE 45 OR 60 OR SOMETHING AVAILABLE THIS MORNING. SO YEAH. 
          AND THERE WAS NO COST TO THEM. BUT SELLING USED IN THE. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN'T GO THEN MAYBE YOU CAN SEND YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE CAN TRY TO GET AN ANSWER. COUNCIL HAS A BUDGET RETREAT ON FRIDAY. ALL OF YOU WILL BE THERE EXCEPT FOR COUNSELOR LARSON WHO HAS A FAMILY RESPONSIBILITY THAT DAY. BUT WE HAD YOU DO THE RANKING OF ASPIRATIONS AND I APOLOGIZE. WE ADOPTED A TRUE QUIZ TOOL FOR THAT. SO IT TELLS YOU THAT YOUR ANSWERS WERE INCORRECT IF YOU LOOKED AROUND TOO MUCH AFTERWARD. BUT THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S ORDER OF PREFERENCES ARE. AND LISA'S GOING TO WORK TO AGGREGATE THOSE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND THOSE ON FRIDAY. I HAVE FOR YOU. UNDERNEATH THE SECOND PAGE IS A DRAFT AGENDA, AND THIS IS OUR WORKING AGENDA, THE FRIENDLY IN THE ROOM AGENDA, NOT THE POSTED ONE. THE POSTED AGENDA WILL GO OUT TOMORROW, AND I'LL WORK WITH OUR CITY CLERK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS IN THE APPROPRIATE FORMAT. BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA. SO WE'LL START AT 830. WE'LL MOVE FOR THE FIRST, VERY FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO REVIEW THE PRIORITIES THAT THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, AND WE'RE GOING TO RELY HEAVILY ON INFORMATION THAT LIAISONS HAVE AS WE GO THROUGH. AND I THINK WE HAVE SEVEN DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE PRIORITIES THAT YOU SET. I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL DO, INSTEAD OF GOING ONE DEPARTMENT, TWO PRIORITIES, WE'LL DO ONE DEPARTMENT AND A PRIORITY, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER AND ANOTHER AND ANOTHER, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AROUND TO THAT DEPARTMENT AGAIN SO THAT WE CAN MIX IT UP AND NOT GET TOO BURIED IN ONE DEPARTMENT FOR TOO LONG. WE'LL JUMP AROUND TO VARIOUS 
          [02:30:03]
PRIORITIES RATHER THAN THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. THAT MAKES SENSE. ANYHOW, AFTER THAT, WE HAVE AN EXERCISE THAT COUNCILOR BURTONSHAW WILL PROBABLY END UP LEADING, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THESE PRIORITIES AND HOW WE HOW WE CAN TRANSITION FROM DEPARTMENT BASED PRIORITIES TO ASPIRATION BASED PRIORITIES. THEN AFTER A BREAK, WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK A LITTLE BIT THEN ABOUT OUR ASPIRATIONS AND SPEND SOME MORE TIME ON THOSE AND REFINING THOSE AND TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO WORDSMITH THOSE OR MODIFY ANYTHING. BECAUSE I'M SURE AS YOU DID THE RANKING, YOU READ SOME OF THOSE AND SAID, HOW DID THIS MAKE THE LIST? WHY IS THIS HERE? MAYBE YOU WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THOSE SO THAT YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THOSE FOR CONVERSATION. WE WON'T BE WORDSMITHING ON FRIDAY, BUT WE'LL BE IDENTIFYING HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED AFTER THAT. DURING LUNCH, WE'LL TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEN THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE PRETTY MUCH GAVE AN OVERHAUL LAST YEAR AND TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ACHIEVED THROUGH THAT AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OUTSTANDING DIRECTIONS THAT WE WANT TO BE SURE. TWO THINGS THAT WE WANT TO COVER TO COMPLETE THE TRANSFORMATION OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS. AND THEN WE'LL JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET CALENDAR AND A FEW OTHER NOTES, BUT IT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY DOABLE DAY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO JUST GET TO THE POINT WHEN WE LEAVE THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME CLARITY AS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DIRECTORS TO KEEP WORKING ON OR START WORKING ON IN TERMS OF THEIR BUDGET, THE WAY THEY WANT TO BUDGET, SO THAT THEY CAN GET WORKING ON THAT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO THAT'S THAT'S FRIDAY. IT WILL BE IN THIS ROOM. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T TURNED IN YOUR SANDWICH ORDER, PLEASE GET THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO INPUT? LISA I KIND OF TALKED IT OVER AND TALKED OVER IT AND NO IT'S FINE OKAY. IS IT JUST MY VERSION OF IT? BUT DID THIS RANKING THING HAVE THE WRONG GUIDE UNDER GOOD GOVERNMENT? THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S NOT THE I THINK I THINK OF AN EMAIL I SENT HER. YES. SHE YEAH. MAYOR CRAIG DID THAT. THERE HAD BEEN A I CUT AND PASTED THE WRONG THING. 
          YEAH. OR. YEAH. IT WAS THE SAME THING. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE BEFORE I GO ON. WELL, COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. MARGARET SENT YOU THIS MORNING, I BELIEVE, OR NO, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, AN UPDATE AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. AND I THINK WHAT WOULD BE IDEAL IS IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO EMAIL IT TO PEOPLE THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE IT, EVERYBODY YOU CAN THINK OF. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT A LINK TO IT ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE AND MORE VOICES. I HAD SOMEBODY WHO THOUGHT IT WAS THE COOLEST THING EVER THAT WE WERE SURVEYING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THIS WEEK. THEY'RE TELLING ME THAT THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE AS THEY GO TO FILL IT OUT. YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'LL HOW THEY'LL RESPOND, BECAUSE THERE WERE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ON PERSONAL SAFETY. SO I TOOK IT TO EASY TO USE. IT WAS MUCH MORE DETAILED THAN I REMEMBER LOOKING WHEN I LOOKED AT IT. BUT WITH THAT, OKAY, THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S SOME LEGISLATION I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE. LEGISLATURE TODAY, PROBABLY. I'M NOT SURE IF I DIDN'T DOUBLE CHECK AT THAT TIME TO DOUBLE CHECK. THEY PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT YOUR BILL. 
          WE'LL SEE IF THAT ONE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT PERSONAL INTEREST IN MANY OF YOU. BUT TODAY THERE WAS OR MAYBE YESTERDAY, A BILL INTRODUCED REGARDING SOLID WASTE. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PROTECT SOLID WASTE FROM SOMETHING CALLED FLOW CONTROL. AND FLOW CONTROL IS BASICALLY SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY GOVERNMENTS WILL SET UP SAYING THAT WASTE OF A CERTAIN KIND NATURE HAS TO GO TO CERTAIN LANDFILLS AND BE DISPOSED OF IN CERTAIN WAYS. AND THOSE PROCESSES THAT FLOW OF WHERE THE WASTE OR THE GARBAGE OR THE REFUSE, WHERE IT GOES, IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY MAYBE BEST PRACTICES IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE. THIS IS CONSTRUCTION WASTE. WE DO IT THIS WAY, AND ALL OF THAT IS SORT OF THE WAY THAT THE, I GUESS, MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL, THAT'S HOW IT HAS EVOLVED. THERE IS NOW A BILL COMING FORWARD SAYING THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TRANSPARENCY SO THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAN COMPETE. AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. WILL PROBABLY HEAR ON FRIDAY WITH THE PHONE CALL, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AT BESIDES JUST COMPETITION, BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO START HAVING SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL FACILITIES, JUST PUT UP ANYWHERE, OR THAT YOU END UP WITH TEMPORARY WASTE FACILITIES WHILE SOMEBODY IS 
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TRYING TO WORK OUT A DEAL FOR BULK DISPOSAL SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THAT WHAT THAT BILL WHERE IT TAKES US ANOTHER ONE URBAN RENEWAL. THIS ONE HAS TWO COMPONENTS, TWO MAIN COMPONENTS TO IT. ONE IS THAT IT WILL ALLOW FOR THE DISSOLUTION OF AN AGENCY. LET'S SAY THE CITY HAS CREATED THE IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. THE CITY COUNCIL COULD DISSOLVE THAT. WITH THAT. WITH THESE, RIGHT. THEY COULD JUST VOTE TO DISSOLVE IT. BUT IF THEY WANT TO REINSTATE IT, IT HAS TO GO TO A VOTE OF THE PUBLIC. AND SO I'M NOT SURE. I THINK THERE IS STILL THIS BELIEF THAT THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN YOU HAVE A REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. AND SO EVERYTHING THEY CAN DO TO DRIVE IT TOWARD PUBLIC APPROVAL IS WHAT THEY'RE AIMING FOR. ALL THAT DOES IS CREATE ANOTHER LAYER OF GOVERNANCE. SO IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING PATH. BUT I KNOW THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS SENT OUT TO MR. RADFORD AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE REDEVELOPMENT CREW. SO COUNCILOR BURTENSHAW, WHO SITS ON THAT BOARD, COUNCILOR LARSON, WHO USED TO SIT ON THAT BOARD, WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? THEY JUST NEVER GIVE UP, DO THEY? NO, NO. WELL, HERE'S THE OTHER ONE. DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS WHAT I CALL THIS CONCEPT. AND THAT THE SECOND ELEMENT TO IT IS THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING FIRE AND AMBULANCE DISTRICTS TO OPT OUT. AND. CATHERINE KIND OF PUT IT IN A CUTE WAY. SHE SAID, HEY, NOBODY LOOK HERE. NOTHING MAJOR HAPPENING HERE. JUST FIRE. JUST FIRE, JUST FIRE CAN OPT OUT. BUT AS SOON AS YOU START, YOU KNOW, CARVING OUT FIRE AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THEY NEED EVERY RESOURCE THEY CAN GET, YOU KNOW, AMBULANCE. LET'S CARVE THEM. OH, COOL. SCHOOL. 
          COME ON. SCHOOL SCHOOLS ALREADY ARE OPTED OUT. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, THE MORE YOU HAVE THAT OPT OUT, THE WEAKER THE TOOL BECOMES, TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S NOT MUCH. SO UNITED WE FALL OR UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. SO I THINK THAT THAT I'M PREDICTING THAT AIC WILL THAT BOARD WILL TAKE A VERY STRONG NO ON THAT ONE FLAG DISPLAY. THE CITY OF POCATELLO NOTED THAT THIS AND I WAS GOING TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS BILL, IF YOU COULD, AND GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHT HERE. BUT HOUSE BILL 96, SAYING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN GIFTED A FLAG FROM THEIR SISTER CITY. AND I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF POCATELLO AND. I KNOW THAT BECKY IS COEUR D'ALENE. I THINK THEY ARE. WE'RE THE ONLY THREE OFFICIAL SISTER CITIES, CITIES IN IDAHO. AND SO HE REACHED OUT TO US AND TO COEUR D'ALENE. THEY THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY WANT TO DISPLAY THEIR SISTER CITY'S FLAG AT EVENTS. OR PERHAPS. WHATEVER. I'LL JUST SAY THIS, BUT THE DISPLAY AUTOMATICALLY MEAN IT MUST BE ON A FLAGPOLE OR NOT. I STARTED TO REPLY TO MAYOR BLAD SAYING, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS BILL ONLY AFFECTS THE FLAGPOLE OR IF IT AFFECTS ANY DISPLAY, SO WE'VE GOT TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT. BUT SENATOR GUTHRIE IS HOLDING THIS BILL TO HEAR BACK FROM US, BASED ON WHAT MAYOR BLAD HAD ASKED HIM. SO I'VE GOT TO WE'VE GOT TO GET BACK TO. SO WE HAVE DETERMINED WHETHER IT WOULD APPLY TO A PUBLIC EVENT ON CITY PROPERTY, LIKE SOMEBODY HAS AN EVENT, THEY WANT TO FLY THEIR FLAG THERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT OR IS IT JUST CITY OWNED FLAGPOLES? I'M NOT POSITIVE. YEAH, IT HASN'T BEEN CLARIFIED. OR IS IT JUST ON CITY PROPERTY ANYWHERE? RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY SHALL NOT DISPLAY A FLAG ON ITS PROPERTY. OKAY. AND SO TO ME, THAT PROBABLY MEANS YOU CAN'T DISPLAY THE SISTER CITY'S FLAG, BECAUSE IT'S THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY THAT'S TAKING THE ACTION. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T DISPLAY A FLAG. SO IF THE SISTER CITY'S ORGANIZATION THAT THEY'RE A BAD EXAMPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE CITY, BUT LET'S SAY JAPANESE COMMUNITY GROUP WANTED TO DISPLAY THE SISTER CITY'S FLAG AT A PARK THAT THEY RENTED. IT WOULD BE PROBABLY A FIRST AMENDMENT VIOLATION TO PROHIBIT THEM FROM DOING THAT. BUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOESN'T PROTECT GOVERNMENT FROM ITS OWN SPEECH. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE LEGISLATURE SETTING RULES ON WHAT NOT JUST THE CITY, BUT ALL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES COULD DO. SO I THINK THE WAY I READ THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO FLAGPOLES. IT'S THE DISPLAY OF ANOTHER OF A FLAG THAT'S NOT ON THE LIST OF FLAGS OF APPROVED. WELL, THEN THAT PRECLUDES THE LIBRARY FROM PUTTING ANY FLAG, WHETHER IT'S PART OF AN EDUCATIONAL DISPLAY 
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OR SOMETHING. SO WE PROBABLY DO NEED TO WEIGH IN BECAUSE IT'S SO VAGUE. ANYWAY, WHOSE FLAG ARE THEY TRYING TO KEEP FROM BEING FLOWN? I'M NOT SURE. NOT SURE. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. 
          ANYONE? THEY DON'T WANT COLOR. THE NEXT ONE, SENATE JOINT MEMORIAL 101, IS BEING SPONSORED BY KEVIN COOK FROM OUR AREA. AND THIS IS BASICALLY NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION, BUT THIS IS SENATE JOINT MEMORIAL. THIS WILL BE SENT ON TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. MANY, MANY FOLKS WITHIN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ASKING THEM TO RECONSIDER THE TETON DAM AS AN OPTION FOR WATER STORAGE. BUT IT DOESN'T COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY REBUILD. BUT IT SAYS STUDY THE WATER STORAGE CAPACITIES THERE AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT COULD BE DONE. 
          LET'S SEE. HOUSE BILL 138 IS THE MEDICAID EXPANSION BILL. I HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO HAVE THE CITY DO A BETTER JOB OF TELLING ITS STORY ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT AFFECT OUR AMBULANCE COLLECTIONS. WE HEARD TODAY THAT WE'RE IN THE RED OR BLACK FOR THE FIRST TIME ON AMBULANCE, AND IT'S DUE IN LARGE PART TO THE MEDICAID EXPANSION THAT ALLOWED US TO BE ABLE TO SET OUR FEES AT A GOOD, SMART LEVEL. SO CATHERINE AND CHIEF ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON SOME TALKING POINTS. I'M HOPING THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET THOSE OUT PRETTY QUICK, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THEM TO THE RIGHT MEMBERS FOR WHEN THAT. I THINK THE SENATE HEARING WILL BE HELD. SENATE 1075. THAT WILL BE HEARD TOMORROW MORNING IN SENATE STATE AFFAIRS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I MEANT TO LOOK THAT UP WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE. 
          IS IT SENATOR RICKS WHO? SENATE STATE AFFAIRS. AND HE MADE A COMMENT LAST WEEK ABOUT HOW THE CITIES AREN'T SHOWING UP, SO THEY MUST NOT CARE. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE PRETTY IRRITATED WITH THAT COMMENT BECAUSE, LIKE, WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE DOING OUR CITY WORK AND WE CAN'T ALL JUST DRIVE TO BOISE EVERY TIME THERE'S A COMMITTEE. BUT ANYWAY, THAT IS THE BILL RELATED TO ELECTION OF CITY COUNCIL BY DISTRICT. AND THERE IS AN OPTION FOR 25,000. YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN THERE IS AN OPTION TO SIGN UP TO DO REMOTE TESTIMONY. I MAY NOT HAVE MADE IT. I ONLY HAVE A WINDOW FROM 8 TO 9. BUT OTHERS OF YOU WHO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY AND CAN GET ON AND TESTIFY AFTER 9 A.M, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO HEAR FROM IDAHO FALLS. SO IF ANY OF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THAT, PLEASE DO. I'LL TRY. I CAN'T SEND FROM MY PHONE THE CALENDAR INFORMATION, BUT I'LL TRY TO SEND IT TO YOU WHEN I GET BACK TO MY DESKTOP COMPUTER. PLEASE CONSIDER OFFERING SOME TESTIMONY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE FULL THREE MINUTES AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SUPER ELOQUENT. YOU CAN JUST EXPRESS A SIMPLE CONCEPT OR IDEA THAT PERSUADES YOU THAT IT IS OR IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. SENATE 114 OR 1114 IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING ONE TO ME BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SPONSORED BY SENATOR LENT, AND THIS ONE BASICALLY ALLOWS FOR AERIAL FIREWORKS TO BE SOLD AND TO BE USED JUST RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE AERIAL AND WHATEVER THE OTHER BIRD. SAFE AND SANE, SAFE AND SANE. THANK YOU. ANYWAY, I READ THAT, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIREWORKS GOING OFF EVERYWHERE AND IT WILL BE LEGAL AT THAT POINT. SO GOT TO EXPRESS OURSELVES THERE. I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT THOUGHT. SOME ARE WORRIED ABOUT ANIMALS, OTHERS WILL BE WORRIED ABOUT FIRE RISK. MY BIG CONCERN IS FIRE RISK. I THINK THAT HE'S TRYING TO RESPOND MAYBE TO FOLKS WHO ARE SELLING FIREWORKS. YEAH. IS THERE ANY IDEA OF THE GENESIS OF THIS? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, IT WAS A HARD THING TO GET RID OF THOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FALL. THAT'S THE THING. HE HE LIVES HERE. WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE, BUT THEY'VE HAD ONE IN POCATELLO AND THEY'VE HAD ONE IN BOISE WHERE THEY BURNED A BUNCH OF STUFF UP BECAUSE THEY'RE FIREWORKS. RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER DENNIS STONE, THAT WAS THE CHIEF FOR THE BOISE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND HE LED A YEARS LONG CAMPAIGN TO GET RID OF AERIAL FIREWORKS AND FIREWORKS IN GENERAL, BUT AERIAL PARTICULARLY. SO. YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA. WELL, PROBABLY I WORRY ABOUT SAFETY, BUT I COME FROM A BACKGROUND IN LIVING IN THE STATE THAT DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF FIREWORKS, DIDN'T ALLOW THEM. ARIZONA DOESN'T ALLOW THAT. IT'S TOO DRY AND IT'S TOO RISKY. AND SO I'M JUST IT DOESN'T RUIN MY 4TH OF JULY IF I CAN'T SHOOT THINGS UP. I STILL HAVE A WONDERFUL FOURTH, WHEREAS OTHER PEOPLE, THEY CAN'T IMAGINE THE 4TH OF JULY OR EVEN SUMMER MIDSUMMER FEELING LIKE MIDSUMMER WITHOUT ME. SO I DON'T WANT TO 
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PRESUME THAT EVERYBODY IS UP AT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. BUT I MYSELF WORRY ABOUT SAFETY. I WORRY ABOUT FIRE. SO ANYWAY, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED. YEAH, MANY OTHER BILLS CHUGGING ALONG, BUT THOSE ARE FAIRLY NEW OR ONES THAT I WANTED TO MENTION. YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO JOIN THE CALLS, AND PLEASE CONSIDER OFFERING TESTIMONY TOMORROW. WE'VE BEEN SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO SHARE THAT LAST OR. YEAH, THE LAST THING I HAVE IS THAT A FRIEND OF OURS, JACKIE FLOWERS, REACHED OUT TO ME EARLY, EARLY THIS MORNING. IT MUST HAVE BEEN ABOUT 430 HER TIME AND ASKED IF I WOULD JUST SHARE SOMETHING, AND I TOLD HER EARLIER. WELL, LAST WEEK, AFTER WE LEARNED ABOUT THE PASSING OF HER HUSBAND AND THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO HELP BECAUSE SO MANY OF US ARE FRIENDS FROM THE TIME THAT SHE SPENT HERE AS A DIRECTOR. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PERSONAL NOTE HERE, BUT SHE HAD HER HUSBAND WAS HER. WAS THIS HIS SECOND MARRIAGE? HE HAS CHILDREN, SONS WHO LIVE HERE IN IDAHO FALLS FROM HIS FIRST MARRIAGE, AND THOSE SONS HAVE PRETTY MUCH INHERITED HIS BUSINESSES HERE IN TOWN. AND WITHOUT THEIR DAD'S TALENT. AND RIGHT NOW, DOLLARS TO WHATEVER WAS GOING ON. THEY'RE TRYING TO PICK UP THE PIECES AND THEY'RE IT'S ADDING TO THEIR GRIEF, SHE SAID. IF I COULD JUST JUST SHARE SO I DON'T MESS UP THE LANGUAGE HERE. LET'S SEE. THEY'RE THEY HAVE A LOT OF PIECES TO PICK UP, PARTICULARLY WITH BUSINESSES, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES. IT'S COMPOUNDING THEIR GRIEF AND DOING WHAT WHAT THEY'LL LET ME DO. BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO NOT TELL HER STUFF BECAUSE THEY WANT TO EASE HER BURDEN AT THIS TIME. ANYWAY, HOPING WE CAN SHOW THE BOYS A LITTLE BIT OF THE LOVE WE ALL HAVE FOR LIFE. AND SO THERE IS A GOFUNDME THAT'S BEEN ORGANIZED BY AN AD FOR SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY ELSE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS, I JUST SEND YOU ON THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T HAVE A FACEBOOK RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL TRY TO SEND THAT INFORMATION TO YOU IN ANOTHER WAY. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY ABILITY TO INCLINATION TO SUPPORT THAT, MY KIDS, THAT WOULD BE NICE. AND I DON'T SAY THIS TO THE PUBLIC, I'M ONLY SPEAKING TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM CARE A GREAT DEAL. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS BRINGS A QUESTION TO YOUR MIND THAT'S ON THESE HANDOUTS? ONLY THAT ARE WE? YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO START GOING AROUND. SO YOU START THE AIRPORT OPEN HOUSE. OH THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S YOUR PLAN IS THE NIGHT OF THE 20TH. YEAH. AND THURSDAY. YEAH THURSDAY NIGHT. 
          AND IS IT THE ACTIVITY CENTER 6:00. YEP. AND IT'S JUST NO NO PRESENTATION. JUST IT'S A IT'S A SELF LED TOUR BASICALLY OF THE OF THE PLAN. BUT IT'S NOT A PUBLIC INPUT. YOU KNOW PEOPLE CAN DISCUSS THINGS BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR. IT'S BASICALLY DESIGNED TO ROLL OUT THE PLAN. THE PUBLIC INPUT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. SO DOES THE FAA SIGNED OFF ON IT? THEY HAVEN'T HAD THEY THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. I LOSE TRACK OF THE ORDER OF WHEN IT BECOMES FINAL. AND I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL IS THE FINAL DECIDER. 
          ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE LISA. NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR BRENNAN, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BROUGHT ON EIGHT NEW RECRUITS THIS WEEK, AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR ACADEMY, AND IT LASTS FOR FIVE WEEKS, SO THEY'RE OVER THERE EVERY DAY. THEY'RE OVER THERE TODAY STABBING EACH OTHER WITH NEEDLES, LEARNING HOW TO START IVS. IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING. 
          HEY, LET ME KNOW IF THEY WANT TO LEARN HOW TO WRITE A LETTER TO A LEGISLATOR. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR BRADFORD, ANYTHING TO ADD? SHE'S GOT A THOROUGH BILL TODAY. OKAY. COUNCILOR FRANCIS, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, MAN. OKAY. AND JUST JUST A INFORMATION. PUBLIC WORKS WILL BE HOLDING AN OPEN HOUSE TO JUST TO DISCUSS CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRODERICK'S ADDITION OF WATER LINE. THAT IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT IS TOMORROW FROM AT 6 P.M. AT THE EDUCATION CENTER. AND RESIDENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED RECEIVE NOTICE ON THAT LETTER ON THAT. SO WOULD YOU SAY THERE. RODERICK. RODERICK. RODERICK. IT'S THE NUMBER OF STREETS OR. I'M SORRY I SAID IT WRONG. BROAD BACK. RIGHT BACK. BROAD ADDITION OF WATER LINE. I THINK IT'S ON THE NORTH. SOUTH OF 17TH, ISN'T IT? THE NORTH OR SOUTH OF 17? YEAH. 
          OKAY, I HADN'T THAT ONE. 22ND, 23RD, 24TH. ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOMES. YEAH. CAULKINS AND THAT 
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AREA. WE DID HAVE ONE THING IN THERE FROM THE LIBRARY BUT IT'S JUST INFORMATION. OKAY. ON THAT. 
          THE MAJOR PUBLISHERS, A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE BROUGHT SUIT AGAINST THE IDAHO LIBRARY BUILDINGS PASSED. SO THAT IS BEING CHALLENGED. JUST, YOU KNOW, MARY MIGHT MENTION TO YOU THAT ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO BE GONE. YOU'RE LEAVING SATURDAY? I'M LEAVING SUNDAY. WE'RE GOING TO BE IN DC THE FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK. AND JOHN TO RALLY. SO MONDAY IS APA RELATED STUFF. AND TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY WILL BE MEETING WITH OUR DELEGATION. AND I THINK MOST OF US ARE COMING BACK WEDNESDAY NIGHT SO THAT WE CAN BE THURSDAY FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING. SO ALL RIGHT ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL MEET AGAIN A WEEK FROM THURSDAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE'LL ALSO MEET FRIDAY AND THEN WE'LL MEET
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