Feb 10, 2025 City Council Work Session

[Call to Order and Roll Call]

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ALL RIGHT. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE EDINBURGH CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. I WILL MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE CALL THE ROLL. AND THAT IS THAT I BELIEVE OUR, THE SERVICE THAT WE USE FOR THE LIVE STREAMING SWAG. IT I'M TOLD HAS SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. AND SO FOR NOW, THE VIEWERS WHO ARE VIEWING ONLINE WILL SEE THAT WHAT'S ON THAT SCREEN IN THE CORNER OVER THERE, WHICH IS A WIDE VIEW THAT ONLY PICKS UP A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT IT DOES PICK UP ALL OF OUR SOUND NOW THAT IT'S ON UNTIL WE HEAR. OTHERWISE, THEY WON'T BE SEEING OUR SCREENS. OUR SLIDES AND THINGS. SO I WILL DO OUR BEST, I GUESS, TO WE DON'T HAVE TO NARRATE EVERYTHING, BUT JUST JUST BE AWARE THAT THAT SCREEN IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING AT HOME. I WOULD MENTION THAT IT'S LIKE IT'S IN REAL TIME AND IT NORMALLY ISN'T. IT'S NORMALLY ABOUT A 10 OR 15 SECOND DELAY. WELL, SO OUR CITY CLERK WHO TOLD ME THAT WE WERE ON A DELAY. SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW TODAY THE DELAY IS GONE. NOW. NOW THAT NOW THAT WE'VE HIT THE TIME FOR THE MEETING, THERE'S NO LONGER A DELAY. THERE HAS BEEN A DELAY FOR ABOUT THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF, LIKE, 15 TO 20S. LIKE NORMAL. YEAH. AND NOW IT APPEARS THERE'S NOT A POINT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THERE WE GO. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND WE'LL INVITE OUR CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW. HERE. COUNCILOR BRADFORD. PRESENT.

COUNCILOR. DINGMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR. FREEMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR. FRANCIS. HERE.

[Public Works]

AND MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. SO. SO I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT IN ADVANCE TODAY IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND WE'LL DIVE INTO SOME BACKGROUND IN THAT. OUR PRESENTATION, I HOPE I HOPE THERE'S NOT LARGE EXPECTATIONS. WE HAVE REALLY A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT REALLY MEANT TO BE KIND OF AN INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND THEN WHERE WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. AS, AS WE LOOK AT THIS. BUT SO IF I WERE GOING TO STAND, I DO HAVE SLIDES AS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION. WE DO. I JUST MENTIONED TO ANYBODY WHO IS VIEWING AT HOME, IF YOU FIND THAT YOU WANT THE SLIDES, THEY CAN CERTAINLY BE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU. YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO GO TO THE WHAT CITY WEBSITE. GO TO THE CLERK'S PAGE FOR THE CITY CLERK AND MAKE A REQUEST FOR A RECORD, AND JUST INDICATE THAT YOU WANT SLIDES FROM THE MEETING FOR THIS DAY, AND THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM SENDING THOSE TO YOU. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. NO THANK YOU MAYOR. SO IF THERE'S ANY ONE SLIDE THAT WE CAN JUST SHOW ONCE TO TRY TO TALK ABOUT, WHAT ARE WE DOING TODAY? WHAT DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY? IT'S PROBABLY THIS.

WE WANT TO TAKE THAT WHICH EXISTS ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER AND CONVERT IT TO THAT IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER. SO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT SURFACE WATER AND THEN CONVERT IT FOR A SURFACE CONVERSION WITH URBANIZED DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. SO THAT SOUNDS PRETTY SIMPLE. AS YOU LOOK AT THAT, AS YOU TAKE THAT FROM SCRATCH, WE STILL HAVE A PUMP SERVICE. WE'RE SUPPLYING IRRIGATION FACILITIES. BUT NOW YOU HAVE ONE USER IN THE UPPER LEFT AND NOW YOU HAVE DOZENS, IF NOT HUNDREDS, RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WHERE ARE WE KIND OF ARE TODAY. IT REMINDS IT WAS TO COVER SOME BACKGROUND. WHY ARE WE HERE TODAY. WHAT HAVE WE DONE? THE CURRENT STATUS OF WHERE THIS SITS AS FAR AS WHAT STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER AND WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE. DISCUSS THE AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. AND THEN ALSO SOME POTENTIAL OPERATIONAL OPERATIONAL CHANGES. AND WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THAT AGREEMENT AT SOME POINT WOULD BECOME A CONSIDERATION ITEM FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AT AT AT SOME POINT. BUT FROM THE BACKGROUND, AS THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO SOME TIME AGO, WE HAD A MEETING THAT DISCUSSED THE VARIOUS WATER ISSUES AND OUR WATER RIGHTS ATTORNEY AND ROB HARRIS WAS HERE AND HAD INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN IDEAL TIME FOR THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS TO START CONSIDERING A SECONDARY SYSTEM FOR UTILIZATION OF IRRIGATION WATER. AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OR REASONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS, AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH

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OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO OTHER THAN TO DEFER WE'LL WE'LL ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS LATER. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT POPS UP I APOLOGIZE AND WE'LL GET TO THAT. BUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DIVE INTO, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF JUMP INTO THIS SLIDE. AND THIS IS THE BULK OF WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

SO IN THE DRAFT AGREEMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR PACKET, IDAHO IRRIGATION WOULD BECOME I MEAN, THEIR THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE SYSTEM WOULD REALLY END AT THE POINT OF DIVERSION. AT THAT POINT, THE CITY WOULD TAKE OVER AND OPERATE THE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S ONE THING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AND POINT OUT. THERE ARE SOME ENTITIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STATE. IT'S ABOUT SPLIT 5050 WHERE YOU YOU'LL HAVE AN HOA THAT WILL MAINTAIN THAT SYSTEM OR NOT. I THINK THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO THAT EITHER WAY. BUT AS FAR AS THE BEST SERVICE TO THOSE FUTURE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD UTILIZE THAT, WE'VE CAME DOWN ON THE SIDE THAT IT'S PROBABLY BEST IF THE CITY OPERATES THAT SYSTEM, AS OPPOSED TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL HOA'S DEALING WITH THOSE PUMPS AND THOSE RESIDENTS. WE ALREADY HAVE A POTABLE WATER SERVICE. WE ALREADY HAVE A BILLING NETWORK IN PLACE. THIS IS JUST KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND WITH THAT. SO THAT'S ONE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'VE MADE AS FAR AS THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT BRINGING THIS, THIS SYSTEM FORWARD. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO YEAH, SO I MEAN A LOT OF TIMES THE PUMP JUST SITS IN THE MAIN CANAL.

RIGHT. YOU DON'T HAVE A DIVERSION. SO IS THERE. SO WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE DIVERSION. SO THIS WOULD BE AT THE PUMP. THEY WANT THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT WANTS A LOCKABLE HEAD GATE. AND SO THAT'S THE POINT OF THE SYSTEM WHERE THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD HAVE. SO IN OTHER WORDS IF SOMEONE DIDN'T PAY, THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO SHUT OFF THEIR WATER SOURCE. SO THERE WILL BE A HEAD GATE THAT WILL FEED, FEED IT PUMP SYSTEM AT SOME POINT. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A COMMUNITY PARK, RIGHT? YEAH. WHAT'S THAT? IT'S SIMILAR TO THE ONE YOU'RE BUILDING AT COMMUNITY PARK. IT IS? YEAH. THAT'S VERY SIMILAR FUNCTION. THAT KIND OF.

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THAT WILL BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S MADE AVAILABLE TO THE NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT HAS, IS THAT THIS WILL NOT DRAW MORE WATER THAN WHAT IRRIGATION CURRENTLY USES. AND AS PART OF THAT, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHANGE, IF YOU WILL, FOR OUR USERS IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THAT SURFACE IRRIGATION IS UTILIZED OVER THE ENTIRE 24 HOUR PERIOD. SO IF I LET THAT SINK IN A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT WE TELL PEOPLE TO UTILIZE THAT WATER, YOU KNOW, AND COOLEST TIME OF THE DAY. BUT THE CONCERN THAT THE IRRIGATION FACILITIES HAVE ARE THEIR EXISTING STRUCTURES. THOSE ARE BEING DRAWN UPON IN A 24 HOUR BASIS IN MOST SITUATIONS. AND THEY FEEL LIKE AS THAT SURFACE WATER CONVERSION NOW BECOMES A LARGER URBANIZED AREA, THAT THOSE PEAK USES WOULD MIRROR WHAT WE SEE IN THAT TIME PERIOD FROM 10 P.M. TO 2 A.M. THAT'S THE PRIMARY USAGE. AND SO THE CANAL SYSTEM WOULD DRAW WAY DOWN TO A POINT THAT IT CAN'T SERVE DOWNSTREAM USERS. AND SO THIS WILL BE AN EDUCATION PIECE THAT WILL FALL ON THE CITY TO INDICATE WITH THIS NEW TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY IRRIGATE 24 HOURS A DAY, NOT JUST AT NIGHT. AND SO WE DO HAVE SOME WORDING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO INCLUDE WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT TALK ABOUT THAT. AND WE'LL ALSO BE THINGS THAT WILL HAVE TO HAVE IN OUR UTILITY BILLING AND FLIERS TO BETTER EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT IRRIGATION.

SO. THE WAY THAT SOUNDS IS YOU'RE SAYING WATER HAS TO BE RUNNING ON THEIR GRASS FOR 24 HOURS STRAIGHT ONE DAY, OR IS THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? OR BECAUSE YOU WOULD NEVER USE YOU COULDN'T GO USE YOUR YARD THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT? SO THIS IS NOT JUST ONE OWNER, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WATER AT THIS TIME OF DAY OR THAT TIME OF DAY. SO THEY'LL BE ASSIGNED A TIME ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. AND A LOT OF GUYS I THINK IT WAS TWIN FALLS ACTUALLY HAS A THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE YOU CAN LOG ON AND ACTUALLY CHECK WINTER PRESSURES IN THE SYSTEM FOR ME TO UTILIZE THE WATERING SYSTEM. AND, AND SO THAT'S ONE WAY THAT THEY UTILIZE. I DON'T MEAN TO WORRY THAT THERE'S 24 HOURS OF WATER JUST GOING ALL DAY. AND AS THEY AND AS THAT PURVEYOR OF THE WATER AT TWIN FALLS REALLY IS THEY DEAL WITH COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW, HEY, THE WATER PRESSURE THAT I'M USING ON MY SPRINKLER SYSTEM ISN'T ADEQUATE. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, HERE'S A TAKE A LOOK AT A DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD THAT WOULD BETTER SERVE YOUR NEEDS. SO THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENT CRITERIA, IF YOU WILL, THAN WHAT WE'VE DEVELOPED IN THE PAST. SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT OR BE ASSIGNED A TIME AND DATE. SO OR YOU JUST HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION.

THIS THIS WILL LIKELY CHANGE. AS AS EACH DIVISION COMES ON BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TEN DIVISIONS. THERE ARE TEN LOTS 20 LOTS. RIGHT. SO IT'LL BE AS BIG OF A DEAL AT FIRST. YEAH, BUT IT DOES. THE IDEA THAT IT COULD BE SET UP TO EVERY OTHER DAY WATERING OR THOSE TYPES OF USAGES THERE, THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME COORDINATION THAT TAKES PLACE. NOW, THE DIFFERENCE THAT I WOULD POINT OUT IN THE POTABLE WATER SYSTEM, WE HAVE PRESSURE FLUCTUATIONS, BUT WE HAVE MINIMUMS THAT WE HAVE TO REACH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE BOIL ORDERS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. YEAH. IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, WHEN THAT PRESSURE DROPS, ALL THAT MEANS IS YOUR YOUR IRRIGATION FACILITY IS NOT GOING TO SPRAY AS FAR. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IN YOUR LANDSCAPING AND HOW THAT'S DEALT WITH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. WHAT MAKES SENSE.

AND SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME COORDINATION PIECES. THOSE CALLS ARE GOING TO COME TO THE WATER DIVISION TO HELP THEM TRY TO RESOLVE THAT. AND EVEN IF THAT MEANS WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT GO OUT AND MEET WITH FOLKS THAT SAY, LET'S, LET'S HELP YOU SCHEDULE YOUR PROGRAMING ON YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM TO DEAL WITH BETTER PRESSURE TIMES AND THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS. SO BUT IT IS IT IS THE KEY PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. YOU KNOW, THE TWO ITEMS THAT 8.97 GALLONS PER MINUTE AND THAT THAT THAT'S UTILIZED IN 24 HOUR PERIOD. AND, AND A LOT OF THAT BACK AND FORTH THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT IS WE DON'T CONTROL THOSE SPRINKLERS PERSONALLY, BUT WE'LL DO OUR DARNDEST TO TRY TO MAKE THE SYSTEM FUNCTION AS, AS IT NEEDS TO. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'LL TRY TO PROTECT OURSELVES WITH SOME OF THAT WORDING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. AND ALSO AGREE IN THE LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING A RESERVOIR OF ANY SORT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO PUMP STRAIGHT FROM THE CANAL? SO WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, I

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THE ONLY THING THAT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD TO THAT IS THAT A LOT OF THAT WILL DEPEND ON THE CAPACITY OF THE CANAL SERVING THE PROPERTY. IF THAT CANAL IS TOO SMALL TO SERVE THE PEAK NEEDS, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO FIND SOME WAY TO MITIGATE AGAINST THAT BY PERHAPS HOLDING SOME WATER ON SITE BATTERY. AND THEREIN LIES REALLY WHY THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT ALSO WANTS TO REVIEW WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE PUMP SIZES TO WEAR, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR FACILITIES ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FLOWS. SO YOU GET A DEVELOPMENT THAT WANTS TO KIND OF FIGURE THIS SCHEDULING OUT. THAT'S THEIR JOB, NOT THE CITY'S JOB. TO FIGURE OUT ALL THAT SCHEDULING.

WE CAN HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. WELL, AGAIN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO. WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO SAY, OKAY, CHARLIE, YOU WATER FROM THIS TIME AND BILL AND MARY BETH, YOU BOUGHT HER THIS TIME. BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STANDARD DOCUMENT THAT YOU'D HAVE IN CLOSING. SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON ASSESSED WATER. THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE A BILL FROM IDAHO IRRIGATION, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ON THEIR PLAT THAT THEY SEE WITH EVERY RIGHT. THAT AND BUT I DON'T KNOW, THE LAST TIME YOU CLOSED ON A HOUSE HOW WELL YOU READ THE FINE PRINT ON THE PLAT, BUT BUT THAT'S ALL INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO SHARE WITH THAT END USER OR THE BUYER OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO ANY OF THAT, THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE UP FRONT IS GREAT. BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE REALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT UTILITY BILLING MAILINGS AND THEN NOTICES TO THOSE, EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES IN AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY MOVE IN THE FACILITIES. HEY, HERE'S HERE'S SOME WATER ISSUES. HERE'S WHO YOU CALL ABOUT QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, AND THEN DEALING WITH THE 24 HOUR WATER. SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA LEGWORK FROM THE CITY. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. ESPECIALLY INITIALLY. AND THEN A LOT OF THAT WILL BE SAME WITH WORD OF MOUTH. SO I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I CAN'T GET A PLEASANT LOOK ON MY FACE WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO TRAIN EVERYBODY TO, TO USE OUR, THEIR SYSTEM DIFFERENTLY. ALTHOUGH MAYBE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING IN WILL BE OPEN TO HAVING A NEW PLACE. I HAVE A NEW WAY OF INTERACTING WITH MY PROPERTY.

BUT AS YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS IS MANAGED ACROSS THE STATE, YOU SAID IT WAS ABOUT 5050 BETWEEN CITY MANAGEMENT VERSUS SORT OF LETTING HOAS AND OTHER ENTITIES TAKE CARE OF THAT. HOA IS DEFINITELY, FOR THIS ASPECT, SEEM LIKELY TO BE A SIMPLER APPROACH. BUT EVEN GIVEN THAT THIS PIECE OF IT, YOU FEEL LIKE THE OVERALL SCALES WERE TIPPED, THE SCALES WERE TIPPED OVERALL IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE CITY MANAGE EVERYTHING. SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS BIG ROCK THAT'S HEAVY, THAT'S WEIGHED AGAINST CITY MANAGEMENT. ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US WHAT SOME OF THE REAL BENEFITS ARE OF CITY MANAGEMENT, BESIDES MAYBE STANDARDIZED EQUIPMENT AND BESIDES SMOOTHER, YOU KNOW, CLOSING COSTS. BUT WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE REASONS THAT OFFSET THIS HEADACHE? AND IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO BETTER SERVICE. BUT BUT IT'S A PIECE OF THE IDEA OR I GUESS A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, HOA IS IN IN EASTERN IDAHO, IN MY OPINION, ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED AND HOW WELL THEY FUNCTION. IF ANYONE SERVED ON AN HOA BOARD.

RIGHT. YOU HAVE A FEW PEOPLE THAT DO A LOT OF THINGS AND NOT A WHOLE LOT HAPPENS. RIGHT? SO IN THAT WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH IF THE CITY MAINTAINED THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING

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AND WE JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE BETTER EQUIPPED TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THAT. IS IT DOES IT CREATE MORE HEADACHES FOR THE CITY? INDEED IT DOES, RIGHT? THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

BUT IN THE END, WHEN THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM IS AT ITS USEFUL, YOU KNOW, ITS USEFUL.

LIFE HAS EXPIRED AND YOU NOW NEED A NEW PUMP SYSTEM AND PIPE REPLACEMENT. I DOUBT THE HOA IS GOING TO COLLECT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO IN THE LONG TERM, THAT'S SOMETHING ALSO THAT THE CITY DOES AS WELL IS COLLECT MONEY IN ORDER TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE AND BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT WELL INTO THE FUTURE. THAT'S THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. PLUS JUST THE REPUTATION THAT A CITY MIGHT HAVE. YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO AVOID CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN OR CERTAIN DEVELOPERS OR CERTAIN ANYTHING THAT YOU JUST WANT THEM TO THINK THAT MOVING TO IDAHO FALLS IS PRETTY SEAMLESS. AND SO THAT DOES OUTWEIGH SOME OF THIS INDIVIDUAL MANAGEMENT OF INDIVIDUAL BEHAVIORS. BUT BUT YEAH, THAT IS GOING TO BE BUT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE OTHER SUPPLY SYSTEMS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATE, AS I RECALL, THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT TAKES ON THIS ROLE FOR SERVICE. AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT IN THE LARGER SCOPE OF THINGS AND RECOGNIZING IF THEY DON'T SERVE THIS AREA, THERE'LL BE NO THEY'LL NO LONGER BE A NEED FOR THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY'LL ONLY SERVE URBANIZED AREAS. AND I DON'T THINK WITH THE SIZE OF IDAHO FALLS AND THE OVERALL SIZE OF IDAHO IRRIGATION USE AND IRRIGATION, THEY STILL FEEL AS IF THEY WILL SERVE AGRICULTURAL USES FIRST AND WILL BE A SMALL PART OF THAT. THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE. SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY NOT AN OPTION THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IS MAINTAINING THAT. AS FAR AS THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT IN TOTAL. SO WE'VE GOT KIND OF A SMATTERING ACROSS THE STATE AND HOW THAT'S BEEN. AND THE FEES I WAS TRACKING THIS, BUT NOT PERFECTLY. THIS DOES NOT OR DOES TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE NEW STAFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE TO ADMINISTER.

WILL THESE RISE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S PART OF OUR ANNUAL FEE ASSESSMENT IS WE'LL EVALUATE A LITTLE BIT HERE. RIGHT. WILL IT BE STANDARDIZED ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, OR DO YOU ENVISION IT JUST BEING STANDARDIZED FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SERVED THIS WAY. SO WE'LL HAVE WE'LL HAVE WATER NEEDS THAT WE'LL NEED TO SUPPLY WHETHER POTABLE OR SURFACE WATER. RIGHT. SO WE'LL APPLY AND COLLECT REVENUES AS NEEDED TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM IN TOTAL. ALL BUT IN THAT WE'LL HAVE SEPARATE TRACKING AS WELL. SO WE KNOW WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES IN COST TO YOU AS A RESIDENT THAT ARE SERVED SOLELY BY POTABLE WATER.

AND YOU IRRIGATE WITH IT TO THIS NEW TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, SO WE CAN COMPARE THOSE COSTS AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. SO YEAH, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO CAPACITY WITH THE WELLS WE HAVE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE ALREADY. I MEAN, IS THAT IS THAT WHAT'S DRIVING THIS KIND OF IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME, SOME POTABLE WATER DOWN THE ROAD AND WE WON'T HAVE TO BUILD NEW WELLS. I, I THINK I'LL DIVE IN. AND, DAVE, YOU TAP ME ON THE SHOULDER IF YOU WERE HERE. BUT I THINK WE HAVE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MEET OUR CURRENT DEMANDS AND THEN ALSO OUR PEAK DEMANDS. RIGHT. SO IF YOU WERE TO SAY THOSE ARE CAPPED AS THEY SIT TODAY, WE MEET STATE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS WHAT WATER WE NEED TO SUPPLY UNDER A OUR LARGEST WELL OUT OF SERVICE AND IN FIRE CONDITION. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT OUR OUR POTABLE WATER, OUR WATER RIGHTS PORTFOLIO, IT'S UNLIKELY WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THAT WITH WHAT GOES ON IN THE STATE PLAN. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S NEW WATER RIGHTS FOR US TO GO OUT AND ACQUIRE. WE'VE TRIED THAT AT TIMES. RIGHT. BUT IT'S BUT IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN COUNT ON. BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SURFACE WATER, MOST OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE ARE DEVELOPING AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY. THAT HAS TO HAVE IT.

AND SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE ALLOWING THAT ADDITIONAL GROWTH WITH NO NEW NEED FOR POTABLE WATER IN THE PEAK TIMES. OKAY. AND SO I GUESS NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOTAL VOLUME VERSUS PEAKS.

SO AGAIN WE'RE STRESSED ON OUR POTABLE SYSTEM BETWEEN THE HOURS OF TEN AND TWO. RIGHT. BUT BELOW THAT WE HAVE TONS OF CAPACITY ALL ALL KINDS OF CAPACITY. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR USES IN YOUR HOME, THOSE ARE BASICALLY TAKING TIME OR BASICALLY TAKING PLACE IN THE HOURS WHEN YOU'RE AWAKE. RIGHT? MARY, WHERE WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH CAPACITY TO MEET THOSE NEEDS. YEAH. SO AND IT'S LARGELY ALSO BEING DRIVEN BY STATE REGULATION, RIGHT. THE STATE IN BOISE IS LOOKING AT OKAY CUTTING DOWN ON AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT OUR CUTTING DOWN ON REMOVING

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THEY'RE UTILIZING THE EXISTING WATER. OKAY. SO. OKAY, SO THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT DECIDES WHAT THE FEES ARE FOR THEIR WATER IN A GIVEN YEAR. SO IS THERE ANY IS THERE A STATE OVERSIGHT ON THAT FOR WHAT THEY CAN, HOW MUCH THEY CAN RAISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. SIMILAR TO US. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASSESS FEES. AND YOU KNOW, THE HOLDERS OR THE WATER RIGHTS. I MEAN, AS PEOPLE HAVE A LOT THAT THEY BUY IN AND NOW THEY THEY HAVE AN ASSESSMENT, THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND TALK, JUST LIKE OUR FEE RESOLUTION, OUR HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE AS WELL. SO THEY'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT WITH WITH THE IRRIGATION COMMITTEE. SO I BELIEVE AS DISTRICTS, THEIR QUASI GOVERNMENTAL, THEY'RE NOT IN BUSINESS TO MAKE PROFIT. SO THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE THEIR FEES BE COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR COSTS. YEAH. AND THEY HAVE TO ADOPT THEIR FEES IN THE SAME WAY THE CITY DOES. DOES THAT HELP? ONE LAST QUESTION. IS THERE ANYTHING IN EXISTING LAW OR IN THE AGREEMENT OR ANYTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN DOWN THE LINE 20, 30 YEARS? AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST WE DON'T LIKE THIS ARRANGEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO BACK OUT. I MEAN, BECAUSE THE LANDOWNERS HAVE THE WATER, RIGHT? SO THEY'VE GOT A CLAIM TO THE WATER THAT GOES ON AD INFINITUM, RIGHT? I MEAN, DID HE THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT CAN'T JUST DECIDE TO CLOSE UP SHOP ONE DAY AND, AND CUT THE CITY OFF, OR THE CITY RESIDENTS THAT THEY SERVE. THE OWNER HAS TO PETITION OUT OF THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT. SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT KIDDING. I THINK THEY WILL. I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT SCENARIO. YEAH. IN THE EVENT OF A DROUGHT, IF THEY CAN'T SUPPLY WATER TO THEIR OTHER USERS, OUR USERS FALL UNDER THAT SCENARIO AS WELL. BUT ARE WE EQUAL WITH THE OTHER? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH OKAY. YEAH. IF THERE'S A 75% APPORTIONMENT THEN YOU SHOULD GET 75% OF THE WATER ASSESSED PER YOUR PROPERTY.

THAT'S ULTIMATELY MY QUESTION. WHO OWNS THE SHARES? PROPERTY OWNER. THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO IF THEY'RE ON A QUARTER ACRE, THEY OWN I MEAN, VERSUS ONE ACRE, HOW WILL THEY DIVIDE UP THE SHARES WHEN EVERYBODY PAYS 102 ANNUALLY? IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY IT SEEMS LIKE A QUARTER ACRE WOULD OWN MORE SHARES THAN A 0.2 THAN A FIFTH OF AN ACRE. LIKE HOW SO? REALLY IT'S THE 8.97 GALLONS PER MINUTE PER ACRE THAT PEOPLE ARE BUYING INTO. AND THEN OUR LOTS ARE BASED ON THE MINIMUM ASSESSMENT. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, AS PART OF THEIR CLOSING AGREEMENT WILL SAY YOU OWN 0.23 SHARES YOUR LOT SIZE, THEY OWN THAT MANY SHARES, BUT THEY WILL STILL BE ASSESSED 102 ANNUALLY. YEAH. YES. IF THEY BUILD A BIGGER HOUSE ON THE SAME SIZE LOT, IT'S I MEAN USUALLY THE ASSESSMENT IS BASED ON SHARES. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THOSE TWO. BUT IF YOU THINK THEY DON'T HAVE THAT INTERPLAY, THERE'S SOME OF THE SHARING THAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THOSE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES. BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT ONE STATION ON YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM AT HOME HAS FIVE HEADS AT TWO AND A HALF GALLONS A MINUTE, YOU'RE ALREADY OVER THE 8.97 GALLON PER MINUTE FOR THAT PARTICULAR STATION, BUT SPREAD OVER THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO COVER THAT, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, IT STILL IS. YOU'RE LIMITING AT 8.97. AND THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE SHARES

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YOU KNOW, TO WORK THIS OUT, MY HOPE IS AFTER WE'VE DONE THIS FOR 2 OR 3 YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT BETTER OPERATIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF OURSELVES AS THE IRRIGATION DISTRICT. AND MAYBE SOME OF THIS WILL CHANGE. I'M NOT SURE THAT'LL BE THE CASE, BUT BECAUSE ON PROGRESSIVE, THEY'VE LARGELY PROGRESSED AND THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THIS. YOU KNOW, I IMAGINE THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS. BUT BUT WE'LL BE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR AS SOON AS WE HAVE THIS PRETTY WELL IRONCLAD WITH IDAHO. WE'LL START THAT PROCESS WITH NEW SWEDEN AND THEN PROGRESSIVE. BUT PROGRESSIVE AND AMAZON HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS WITH AN ASSESSMENT AND THEN THE CONTINUOUS USE AND ALL OF THAT, I WOULD ASSUME. SO, YES. OKAY. SOMETIME COUNCILOR FRANCIS, DID YOU HAVE. YEAH I TRIED TO WORK OUT HOW TO WORD THIS. DO WE DO YOU ANTICIPATE A PROBLEM WITH DEVELOPERS SAYING, NOW I'VE GOT A DEVELOPMENT THAT ISN'T WORTH AS MUCH AS OVER HERE, BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE CAN WATER ANY TIME THEY WANT TO WITH THE POT OF THE WATER. BUT THE PEOPLE IN MY DEVELOPMENT CAN ONLY WATER AT CERTAIN TIMES. SO WE HAVE CUSTOMERS WITH TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF RULES. DOES THAT AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES? THAT'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION OR CONCERN ABOUT. IT'S A IT'S A CHANGE, RIGHT. YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO IRRIGATE YOUR PROPERTY. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT CRITERIA. RIGHT. AND WHAT THAT MAY BE, YOU STILL HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IF YOU WILL. BUT BUT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WORK OUT THE KINKS AS THEY DEVELOP TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN, CAN UTILIZE THAT AND STILL HAVE THE USE OF THE PROPERTIES. BUT BUT AGAIN, I THINK YOU DO UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE IRRIGATION FACILITY HAS IS, HEY, THIS COULD BE A TREMENDOUS CHANGE IN OUR USE.

AND INITIALLY HUNDRED LOTS COME ONLINE. YOU'D NEVER SEE THAT IN THE IDAHO CANAL, RIGHT? IT'S TOO BIG A WATER BOTTLE. RIGHT. BUT AS THE AS YOU HAVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF ACRES THAT DEVELOP TO THIS, IT COULD BE AN ISSUE. AND HOW THEY CURRENTLY NEED WATER OR SOMETHING. SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT. MY FIRST WORK OUTSIDE OF THE HOME, WHEN I CAME TO IDAHO WAS WITH WORKING WITH SOME DEVELOPERS, AND A FEW OF THEM WERE ADAMANT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO FOLLOW UNDER, WHAT, 67 TO 65, 23 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, AND THAT THEY THEY FELT LIKE EASTERN IDAHO WAS ENOUGH OF AN EXCEPTION, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO WHAT THE MAGIC VALLEY AND THE SORRY, I CAN'T TALK. AND THE TREASURE VALLEY TREASURE VALLEY WERE HAVING TO DO WITH HAVING DUAL PIPE. THEY A COUPLE OF DEVELOPERS CAME TO ME AND CITED THE COST THEY SAID WAS ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO $5000 MORE PER HOME TO PUT IN SEPARATE SYSTEMS. AND THAT THAT WAS A HUGE DRIVER. I MEAN, FACTOR AGAINST IT. THEY ALSO SAID THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SYSTEMS IN THE WINTER TIME, THE LATENESS OF OUR SPRING AND THE COLDER WEATHER THAT WE HAVE RELATIVE TO THOSE OTHER TWO AREAS, MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN THESE. THEY THEY SAID THINGS LIKE THESE WILL GET CLOGGED WITH WEEDS, AND WHO'S GOING TO CLEAN THE WEEDS OUT AND WHO'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, RESET ALL THESE. AND SO THEY WERE JUST THERE WAS A REAL PUSHBACK. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY EASTERN IDAHO IS 15 YEARS LATE, IF NOT 20 YEARS LATE TO THE GAME PARTY ON THIS ONE. AND THE LEGISLATORS WHO ENACTED IT, I THINK WERE FROM THE REXBURG AREA. I THINK IT WAS UNDER DELL RAYBOULD BACK IN THE DAY. HE HAS SINCE PASSED. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT. BUT THEIR IDEA ALL ALONG WAS TO CONSERVE GROUNDWATER AND ENCOURAGE THE USE OF SURFACE

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I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE IF ANY, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS BACK FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION. A COUNCIL MEETING, WHETHER THAT'S THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH. AND THEN ALSO WE'LL BE INCORPORATING THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AS WELL, TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKAGE. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP IN EARLY MARCH WITH IS IT MARCH 6TH, MARCH 5TH, MARCH 5TH WITH OUR CONTRACTING COMMUNITY, AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH THEM AS WELL. AGAIN, ANY OF THE DEVELOPERS AND DESIGN ENGINEERS THAT ARE WORKING ON CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS, THEY'RE ALREADY WELL AWARE OF THESE NEW REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. DIDN'T WE JUST APPROVE 1 OR 2 FINAL PLATS THAT HAD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS? YEAH, WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE IN THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT AS WE RATIFIED THIS, THE LANGUAGE WILL CHANGE SLIGHTLY BECAUSE ONCE THIS AGREEMENT IS SIGNED AND RECORDED, WE'LL REFERENCE THAT NUMBER BOTH ON THE PLAT DISCLOSURE STATEMENT AS WELL AS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. SO WE'VE BEEN DRAFTING SOME LANGUAGE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS YOU'VE GOT IRRIGATION RIGHTS. YOU'RE GOING TO DO YOUR DESIGN SUBJECT TO IRRIGATION DISTRICT STANDARDS. AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR DESIGNS GOING TO KIND OF DICTATE POTENTIAL WATERING SCHEDULES.

AND THEY'LL DISCLOSE IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO, SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO ANY OF YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT NOT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR WHICH AGENDA WE CAN START LOOKING TO FOR APPROVALS SO THAT WE CAN START FORMALIZING THOSE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, THE SOONER THE BETTER, I WOULD THINK, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO RUSH YOU IF YOU NEED TIME TO STUDY OR TO GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. SO ONE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DECIDE WHICH IS IT GOING TO BE EVERY NEW DEVELOPMENT OR NOT? JUST SINCE THERE ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS A PLAT THAT HAS SURFACE WATER UPDATE. YEAH, IT'S THE LOT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IS ALREADY GOTTEN RID OR PETITIONED OUT OF THE SURFACE WATER, THEN IT JUST WOULDN'T BE VALID. SO I DON'T YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO. I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN PRETTY DETAILED, BUT I DO THINK WE'LL

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SO I MEAN, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TOLD AT THE SIGNING. AND IF THEY'RE KIND OF AWARE AND THEIR DEVELOPERS SELL IT THAT WAY, THEY'LL KNOW. AND I SUSPECT THAT THERE'LL BE TIMES THAT ARE COVETED AND THEN SOMEONE MOVES OUT, THEY'LL KEEP THAT TIME. OR DO THEY LIKE, IS THAT GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LIKE A WATER RATE FOR THOSE GROUPS? THAT'S ONE THING THAT I PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO KNOW. AND JUST AS FAR AS WHEN THEY CAN UTILIZE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES. YEAH. AND ALSO LIKE IF, IF YOU'VE BEEN WAITING LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THERE TEN YEARS AND THE GUY THAT'S BEEN THERE 20, HE MOVES OUT LIKE, DO YOU GET TO MOVE INTO HIS PRIME TIME.

YEAH. SO LIKE WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS. YEAH. YOU TALKED ABOUT PROGRESSING NEW SWEDEN. SO OBVIOUSLY THEY KNOW THIS IS THEIR NEXT ON THE HIT PARADE. AND AT THAT POINT IS THAT PRETTY MUCH COVER ALL THE PIECES AROUND THE CITY THAT THOSE THREE DISTRICTS. YEAH IDAHO ENCOMPASSES THE MOST AREA IN IDAHO FALLS AND THEN NEW SWEDEN AND PROGRESSIVE. PROGRESSIVE.

WE'RE LUCKY THEY ACTUALLY ARE REPRESENTED BY OUR WATER RIGHTS ATTORNEY AS WELL. SO MAYBE THERE'S NO CONFLICT. THAT WOULD BE A PRECONDITION TO HAVE NEW COUNTY DEVELOPMENTS BEEN UTILIZING THIS AT ALL OR NOT. ARE THEY ALL USING GROUNDWATER? I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD THAT.

YOU'VE GOT DUAL SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTY. I DO KNOW THAT THOSE BEING SERVED BY FALLS WATER OUT IN THE COUNTY WILL BE LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO TO PRESSURIZED IRRIGATION. THEY WILL BE FINE. OKAY. BUT THE GROUNDWATER PUMPING THAT IS ALLOWED FOR COUNTY DEVELOPMENTS OR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE WITHIN MUNICIPALITIES, THEY THAT WATER AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO COME TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION IRRIGATION. SO I THINK IT IT WILL IMPACT THE UNLESS THE LEGISLATORS SPECIFICALLY ACT TO APPLY THIS THIS PART OF THE CODE TO THEM. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO DARN IT I HAVE A QUESTION. SO ARE WE SUFFICIENTLY CLUED IN TO ALLOW THEM THEN TO MOVE FORWARD AND START VISITING WITH THE PUBLIC MORE RIGOROUSLY ABOUT THIS. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE CHANGES YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, YOU'LL BRING THOSE TO US BEFORE WE FINALIZE IT. IS THAT HOW IT'S GOING TO GO? YEAH, YEAH. AT THIS POINT WE WOULD JUST SHOW ANY TRACK CHANGES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU'VE HAD INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT'S CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THAT. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU I'M GOING TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP. ALL RIGHT. THANK

[Airport]

HELLO HELLO. THIS IS AN UPDATE ON OUR PARKING ACCESS AND REVENUE CONTROL SYSTEM FOR THE PARKING LOTS AT THE AIRPORT WHERE WE LEFT THIS AT THE LAST AIRPORT BOARD MEETING IN DECEMBER WAS. THE RFP WAS OPEN. LOOKING BACK AND SOME OF THE HISTORICAL RECORDS, WHEN THE PREVIOUS RFP WENT OUT, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS, SO I FIGURED THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE A DECISION IS PRESENTED TO YOU ON THURSDAY NIGHT. I BELIEVE WITH THAT, THIS IS SQUARELY IN THE WHEELHOUSE OF MR. YOUNG, AM I RIGHT? AND I'M GOING TO LET HIM TAKE THE FLOOR AND WALK YOU THROUGH IT. OKAY, SO THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, WE WERE AT THE FRONTIER CREDIT AND OUR FRONTIER CENTER, HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION ABOUT PARK SYSTEM. AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, OUR EQUIPMENT IS ANCIENT. IT'S 20 YEARS. IT'S WELL PAST ITS USEFUL LIFE. THERE'S PICTURES THERE. YOU CAN SEE. WE CONTINUE TO DO DAILY MAINTENANCE. I WAS OUT THERE JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING HELPING OUT CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THE CARD READER WASN'T WORKING. SO THAT CONTINUES TO WORK. WE HAVE THREE. YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE FOUR LANES. SO THREE ENTRANCES AND ONE EXIT THAT HAVE BEEN DECOMMISSIONED THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BEEN USED, BEEN USED FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, YEARS. AND THOSE PARTS HAVE BEEN GOING INTO THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT JUST TO KEEP IT UP AND RUNNING. SO WE'RE IN DIRE NEED OF GETTING A NEW SYSTEM. AND SO THIS IS OUR SECOND GO AT IT. THIS IS KIND OF TIME FRAME HERE. WE STARTED IN NOVEMBER WITH OUR RFP. WE SENT IT OUT. WE HAD A WALK THROUGH IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER, A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE THANKSGIVING, THAT WAS ATTENDED BY 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT CAME OUT TO TOUR

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FLASH ALSO OWNS ITS OWN LPR CAMERA SYSTEM. LPR IS LICENSE PLATE READERS FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM. WITH MEGAN AMANO, MEGAN, WE HAVE USED THEM BEFORE. WE CONTINUE TO USE THE COMPANY. THEY CONTINUE TO SERVICE OUR CURRENT EQUIPMENT. SO WE HAVE THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP AND THAT RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN GOING FOR 20 YEARS. THEIR CURRENT RENDITION OF THEIR EQUIPMENT IS THE 101. THIS IS ABOUT THREE, FOUR, FOUR, I THINK VERSIONS NEWER THAN OUR EXISTING EQUIPMENT. THEIRS IS ALSO CLOUD BASED, BUT IT'S NOT AS CUSTOMIZABLE. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MONOLITHIC, BUY THE PARTS AND DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT.

YOU CAN'T JUST BUY THOSE FROM A THIRD PARTY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GO INTO THE PROS AND CONS OF FOR FLASH. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE THE VARIETY. AND JUST BEFORE I GO INTO THERE. SO THESE TWO ARE VERY SIMILAR. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NIGHT AND DAY BETWEEN FOR THE PROS AND CONS BETWEEN THE TWO. SO EITHER ONE WOULD BE A GOOD SELECTION. BUT WITH WITH FLASH WE VIEWED THEM AS THEY HAVE A LOT OF WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE LOT. OF COURSE TICKETS, YOU CAN USE YOUR CELL PHONE, YOU CAN USE A CREDIT CARD, YOU CAN USE A LICENSE PLATE, YOU CAN USE THIRD PARTY APPS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT. AS I SAID, YOU CAN GO AND BUY THINGS BY BY THERMAL PRINTER OFF OF AMAZON AND VIOLA USE IT IN THE MACHINE. SO IT'S CUSTOMIZABLE. IT'S SCALABLE. SO AS WE GROW IN OUR PARKING LOT, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPLY THAT AND BE ABLE TO ROPE IT ALL INTO ONE SYSTEM AND HAVE DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAT WE'D HAVE TO ACCESS TO GET REPORTS WE VIEWED. WE ASKED FOR REFERENCES AND WE ADDED THE REFERENCES FROM FLASH, ONE OF WHICH IS DENVER. SO WE TALKED TO THE PARKING PERSON IN DENVER, AND HE HAD GREAT THINGS TO SAY ABOUT FLASH. THEY HAD ENJOYED USING THEM. THE CONS TO IT, BOTH FLASH AND MONO ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPOSAL. SO WE HAD SOME THAT WERE LOWER AND WE HAD SOME THAT WERE HIGHER. SO IT WAS ABOUT AVERAGE FOR COSTS.

CREDIT CARD PROCESSING WASN'T EXPLAINED VERY WELL IN EITHER THE PROPOSAL OR IN OUR PRESENTATION THAT THEY PRESENTED. SO THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THERE THAT THAT WE ENDED UP WITH THE PROXIMITY CARD. SO THIS WOULD BE US USING OUR OUR BADGES TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE LOT, THEIR CURRENT SYSTEM. YOU HAVE TO TAP IT AGAINST THE THING. AND SO STAYING IN THE CAR AND TAPPING IT ISN'T AS FRIENDLY. SO WE CAN UPGRADE TO A THREE FOOT PROXIMITY READER, BUT THAT'S STILL NOT VERY EASY IF YOU'RE USING SNOW EQUIPMENT TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE LOT. THEIR WEB PORTAL WAS SURPRISINGLY OUTDATED. WE THOUGHT FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD ON IT, SO IT WASN'T AS USER FRIENDLY AS WE HAD HOPED ON THEIR TICKET CAPACITY. RIGHT NOW, THEY BOTH AMANO AND FLASH, THEY COME IN ROLLS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A BOX OF MAG STRIPS. YOU PROBABLY HAVE ALL SEEN THEM. WE'RE GOING TO A ROLL OF THERMAL PAPER. THE

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THE REFERENCES WERE GOOD. IT WAS. IT WAS THAT THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTATION AND THE AND WE'LL GET TO GM'S PROPOSAL HERE IN A MINUTE. YOU'LL KIND OF NOTICE THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A WASH OF REFERENCE ASIDE. YEAH. SO. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH AMANO. SO WE HAVE THE PROS, OF COURSE, THE BIGGEST ONE THERE IS OUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP. WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE. THEIR STAFF IS THE SAME.

THEIR SALES PERSON. THEIR OWNER HAS BEEN THE SAME PERSON THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH FOR 20 YEARS.

THE PERSON WHO INSTALLED IT IS STILL WITH THE COMPANY, AND HE IS GOING TO BE OUR PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS. THIS PROJECT AS WELL. THE AMANO ONE IS THEIR MOST RECENT. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ABOUT FOUR AND REVISIONS OR VERSIONS AHEAD OF WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT. AND THEY SAY THIS ONE IS FUTURE PROOF. THAT SEEMS TO BE A BUZZWORD. I HEAR THAT A LOT, BUT THEY SAY THEY CAN UPGRADE IT IN REAL TIME AND WE CAN UPGRADE THE COMPONENTS TO A POINT. THEY'VE MADE THEIR BUSINESS OF COMING UP WITH NEW VERSIONS EVER SO OFTEN, AND SO WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. MULTIPLE ENTRANCE OPTIONS. JUST LIKE WITH FLASH, YOU CAN GET IN WITH A TICKET, A QR CODE, CELL PHONE OR APPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT PROXIMITY CARD. AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO PREPAID.

AGAIN, THIS ONE IS ALSO SCALABLE. SO AS OUR PARKING LOT NEEDS GROW, WE CAN WE CAN INCREASE HOW MANY MACHINES WE HAVE. AGAIN, THEY HAD GOOD REFERENCES. THEIRS WERE MORE LOCAL. WE HAD PULLMAN WAS ONE OF THE BIGGER ONES THAT WE HAD. AND HELENA. SO THEY ARE VERY NORTH NORTHWEST FRIENDLY. THEY HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS THAT THEY THEY SERVICE AND ALL THOSE WERE WERE GOOD AS WELL. SO AGAIN, LIKE IAN SAID, AWASH WITH THE REFERENCES, THEY HAVE ADD ON SERVICES. SO THEY THEY USE RESERVATION SOFTWARE, MONTHLY PARKING SOFTWARE AND DYNAMIC PRICING.

NOT NOT TOO SURE ABOUT THE DYNAMIC PRICING, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE A THING WHERE DURING PEAK TIMES THE RATES GO UP, AND WHEN IT'S NOT PEAK TIMES, THE RATES WILL COME DOWN JUST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARK. THE RESERVATIONS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION. YEAH, VARIOUS WEBSITES. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM ABOUT THEM, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF APPS OUT THERE AND THEY WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS MACHINE. THE CONS AGAIN, THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WITH THE COST SOME HIGHER, SOME LOWER. BETWEEN FLASH AND AMANO, WE WERE ABOUT 100,000 FOR THE EQUIPMENT, BUT BY THE TIME WE LOOKED AT ABOUT 5 OR 7 YEARS, WE WERE WITHIN 30 OR $40,000 DIFFERENCE. SO NOT NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE COMPANIES.

AND THERE A QUESTION ABOUT DOES THAT INCLUDE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY IT FROM THEM? DID YOU LOOK AT THE COST DIFFERENCE? SO IT'S HARD TO TELL ABOUT THIS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE PARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY GAVE US A REFERENCE OR A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWED IT WITH THEIR THEIR SPARE PARTS, BUT WHO KNOWS HOW MANY OF THEM ARE GOING TO NEED AND BUYING FROM FLASH BECAUSE FLASH ISN'T SAYING, HEY, THIS IS HOW MUCH THEY COST ON AMAZON. THAT WOULD BE BUYING THROUGH FLASH. AND SO THOSE ARE VERY COMPARABLE. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET THOSE THIRD PARTY CHEAPER DOWN THE ROAD. ALL RIGHT. IF I CAN I WOULD TO A CERTAIN EXTENT HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT GOING INTO A THIRD PARTY WHERE SOMETHING YOU PURCHASE, SUCH AS A THERMAL PRINTERS, ONE VERSION OF THE FIRMWARE, YOU DON'T KNOW IT, YOU STICK IT IN THERE AND THEN YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK. YEAH, BUT BUT WE'VE HAD WE'VE BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY MOTOROLA, LIKE WITH THE POLICE WITH THEIR CAMS WHERE YOU'RE JUST STUCK OR LIKE ONCE YOU'RE IN APPLE, YOU'RE IN APPLE, RIGHT. LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I DON'T LOVE SOMETIMES, BUT WELL, YOU'RE EITHER WAY ANY DIRECTION YOU GO WITH THIS, YOU, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF JUST THAT, LIKE, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS ELECTION. UNLESS YOU WANT TO BRING IN SOME

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PRESENTATIONS, THE AMANO MCGANN OPTION HAS A WIDER VARIETY OF WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE LOT, AND STILL MAINTAIN THE CONTROL OVER OUR REVENUE STREAM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THE TALL TRUCK QUESTION IS A BIT IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, IF YOU WILL, BUT BOTH, I THINK PRIMARILY AGAIN THROUGH DMS. STATEMENT ONE IS THEY OPERATE IN MANY MONTANA, IDAHO AND WASHINGTON AIRPORTS AND HAVE REALLY NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS DRIVING A CUSTOMIZED LIFTED TRUCK TYPE THING. THE, THE, THE, THE BENEFIT OR WHY IT'S A PROBLEM THERE FOR ME AND THIS THIS PERSON MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO BE FLEXIBLE. WE CAN BE INFLEXIBLE IN REAL TIME. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO ADJUST TO THE CHANGING DYNAMICS OF OUR PASSENGER. SO IT'S A SUPERIOR, IT'S A SUPERIOR. THAT PART OF IT IS BETTER THAN THE FLASH. YEAH. AND OUR OPINION IS A LARGER, LARGER CARD READING RANGE.

WHEREAS THE STOCK FLASHES TAP. THIS ONE I THINK WAS FIVE FEET I THINK. AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD IT AND THEY WERE SHOWING US THEY HAVE A LONGER RANGE, ONE WHICH WAS A 15FT IS ACROSS THE ROOM THAT THEY WERE SHOWING US THAT. TAGS. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A TRUCK THAT BIG, RIGHT.

BUT SO THEN I HAVE A QUESTION ON DYNAMIC PRICING. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF THE VALUE, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE MY FLIGHT LEAVES AT THREE IN THE AFTERNOON AND THE PRICE IS TOO HIGH. SO I'M GOING TO COME BACK AT SEVEN. YOU KNOW, I GOT TO HAVE THE PARKING AND I GOT TO HAVE THE AIRPORT. I DON'T GO TO AN AIRPORT LIKE I GO TO LUNCH. SO HOW VALID IS DYNAMIC PRICING AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO PARK AT A DIFFERENT TIME? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE DYNAMIC PRICING. I SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT IT OUT THERE. IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE'RE WE'RE PURSUING AT THIS MOMENT. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT ON IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT'S AN OPTION.

AND AFTER SOME OTHER THINGS, THE ONE I WOULD PUT UP THERE IS MOBILE BAY. OKAY. AND THAT IS THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WITHOUT LPR IS VERY DIFFICULT. SO THIS IS A TICKET THAT TYPE OF

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THERE'S A LOT MORE INVESTIGATION ON THAT PIECE. SIMPLY AN EXAMPLE UP THERE OF WHAT THE PATTERNS ARE ON THE INDUSTRY IS GOING THAT DIRECTION. AND SO IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE THESE TRENDS THAT ARE HAPPENING ARE ARE AVAILABLE TO US WITH THE SYSTEM. OKAY. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY IMPLEMENT THAT IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO. AND RIGHT, WE COULD JUST GO WITH A FLAT PRICING. AND THEN LATER ON AFTER WE BUILD A MORE SOPHISTICATED LOT, WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT. RIGHT? WE WOULD TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN FLAT RATE PRICING. RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST HOW OUR RATES AND FEE SCHEDULE ARE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ACT ON ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO. SOMETHING WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING. YEAH, SIMPLY AN EXAMPLE OF THIS.

ANOTHER THING THAT YOU'D HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT IN YOU CAN'T JUST SET A FEE JUST TO SET A FEE. IT'S GOT TO REFLECT THE COST OF WHAT IT TAKES TO PROVIDE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DYNAMIC PRICING, YOU'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHY IT IS THAT IT COSTS MORE TO PROVIDE PARKING SPACE WITH A FULL LOT VERSUS AN EMPTY ONE. YEAH. LIKE IF WE WERE RUNNING SHUTTLES FROM A REMOTE PLACE OR SOMETHING TO, TO OFFSET THE, THE COST. SO YEAH, WE'RE NOT QUITE LARGE ENOUGH TO REALLY BENEFIT FROM A LOT OF DYNAMIC PRICING MODELING. OKAY. I WOULD THINK I WOULD THINK ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR MORE PRESENTATIONS WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO.

THAT WAS OUR LAST SLIDE. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH DGM WHICH IS THE MANO A MANO. YES.

THANK YOU. THE MODEL. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT $253,000 IN EQUIPMENT. AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL 6250 PER LPR CAMERA. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE HOPES ARE TO HAVE TEN LANES.

WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF IT WILL FIT ON OUR INTERNATIONAL WAY LOT, BECAUSE HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO THE ROAD. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT OUT THERE, BUT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT. AND THEN WE HAVE YOU NO MONTHLY FEES JUST LIKE ANY ANYTHING NOWADAYS. OKAY. AND SO I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THURSDAY NIGHT.

AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. NOW, YOU MAY IN FACT FIND THAT YOU HAVE OTHERS THAT YOU COULD YOU STATE. BUT SORRY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS LAID OUT IN A WAY THAT YOU UNDERSTAND. OR IF YOU HAVE BIG CONCERNS, NOW'S THE TIME TO PIPE UP. JOHN. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SO THIS IS 253 206 FOR GRANTS SHOWN US. YEAH, WE DIDN'T SHOW FLASH. THE FLASH WAS 324,104. OKAY. SO IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THE EQUIPMENT. I DON'T REMEMBER THEIR LPR CAMERAS HOW MUCH THEY ARE. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE FAIRLY SIMILAR WITHIN 10,000 FOR ALL TEN. AND THEY ALSO HAVE AN ANNUAL AND THEY HAVE THEIR SAAS FEES, BUT THEIRS WAS A LITTLE LESS. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WHEN AFTER 5 TO 7 YEARS, THEY'RE MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER THAN THEY ARE IN THIS ONE RIGHT NOW. HOW NEW IS FLASH AS A COMPANY? IS IT A LOT NEWER THAN THAN GM? IT IS, I THINK. YEAH. THE CURRENT COMPANY NOT CONSIDERING MERGERS AND THINGS. IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2011. I JUST KNOW THAT WE GOT A LITTLE BIT BURNED ON OUR FIRST TIME OUT BY A COMPANY THAT WAS

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PROJECT TO ADDRESS OUR, YOU KNOW, PATCHWORK QUILT PARKING LOT AT THE AIRPORT. SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY FIX ALL THOSE PROBLEMS. IT WILL FIX SOME OF THEM THAT ARE IN THE ENTRY LANES. ENTRANCES AND EXITS HAVE BEEN UPGRADED OR WILL BE UPGRADED, FIXED CEMENT WORK AND WHATNOT. BUT THE LANE BETWEEN HOURLY AND PREMIUM ECONOMY. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY NARROW. AND POTHOLES. THAT'S THE PROJECT DOWN THE ROAD. OKAY. SO JUST HAVING MORE ENTRANCES WILL HELP.

I MEAN, YEAH, SO COUNCIL BRADSHAW AS THE LIAISON, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS OR INSIGHT. NO, NO, I'M I'M READY FOR THIS ON THURSDAY OKAY. IT'S OVERDUE. I MEAN NOT TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. THEY JUST DIDN'T DELIVER ON THE LAST ONE. AND SO WE'RE I'M GLAD TO CUT THEM LOOSE AND GO AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. YOU WON'T BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN. NO, IT'S JUST ON THE REGULAR AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY. SO THIS THIS IS ON THE CONSENT. THIS ONE IS I BACKWARDS. SO, SO THE LAST THE LAST PIECE THERE I WANT TO JUST, JUST MENTION IS THAT THE, THE COST THAT'S IN THE ITEM IS FOR ALL TEN LPR LANES. BUT TO BRUCE'S POINT, IF WE ARE UNABLE TO FIT THEM IN THE REMOTE LOCK, THAT WILL JUST COME OFF NOW AND WILL NOT BE COMPLETED WITH THE. SO IT'S UP TO TEN, IT'S UP TO TEN. OKAY, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY FIT THE TEN. IN THIS CASE WE HAVE FOR THAT LITTLE LOT. SO BY THE TIME YOU ADD THE 6250 TIMES TEN TO THE 253, YOU END UP WITH SOMETHING OVER 300,000 AS WELL. SO THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICES AGAIN, NOT VERY WELL. CLASH WAS ALSO IN ADDITION IT WAS SO THEY WOULD STILL BE MORE MONEY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. WELL I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBERS WE NOW THEN HAVE IN THE PACKET AS YOU NOTICED YOU HAVE SOME MINUTES FROM OTHER. BOARDS AND

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[Legal]

THERE ISN'T A TIMELINE TO GET THIS OUT, BUT I THINK SOONER IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN LATER. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS ON PAGE FOUR. IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH ABOUT MIDWAY DOWN, IT SAYS THE BOARD ALSO GRANTED VACANCIES TO THE CITY ZONING CODE. YES. SO IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN VARIANCE. AND THEN VARIANCES COMES INTO LANGUAGE LATER. SO THE WORD SHOULD BE

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AND HE HE CUT A COUPLE OF THOSE TYPOS LIKE PORTABLE JUST AT SOME POINT WAS IN HERE. RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT THAT ONE OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT I WAS WONDERING IF WE WANTED TO INCLUDE, MOSTLY BECAUSE I TALKED TO DIRECTOR FREDRICKSON, JUST TO GET MY OWN UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT EVEN IN THE SITE, THE EARLIER SITE PLANS THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED. THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION WAS NEVER RECORDED. RIGHT? IT WAS NOT. AND SO AND THAT IS SO IT WAS A CAN YOU JUST. EXPLAIN I HAD FREDERIKSEN EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, WHICH MAKES SENSE. BUT EVEN IF. EVEN THOUGH THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED, THEY STILL DIDN'T AGREE TO THOSE EASEMENTS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T, WELL, RECORD THEM. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AT ALL IN THE WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THAT BECAUSE IT REALLY IS UP TO THEM STILL. YEAH, I THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENED AT THIS FIRST SITE PLAN, THE ONE THAT'S CURRENT. YEAH. IS THAT THE 22 SITE PLAN, THE NOVEMBER 2021 SITE PLAN, IS THAT WE DID PUT THE DEDICATIONS ON THERE. THEY DID SAY THEY WOULD DEDICATE THEM. THEY GOT APPROVED. THEY GOT THEIR BUILDING PERMITS. THEY THEY GOT THE OTHER THINGS THEY WANTED. AND THEN THEY DIDN'T DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THE CITY NEVER REALLY WENT BACK AND DEMANDED IT. BUT WE'RE HERE FOR ANOTHER EXPANSION. AND NOW THE CITY IS LIKE, WE CAN'T REALLY APPROVE IT UNTIL WE GET TO DEDICATION UP FRONT, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO LAST TIME. THAT'S ME CONJECTURING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO PUT THAT IN THE OPINION, IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN THERE. I THINK YOU DID GET SOME OF THAT TESTIMONY. SO IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE THING TO RAISE. I MEAN, IT WAS FOR ME, IT WAS LIKE THEY THEY SHOW IT, BUT THEN THEY NEVER DEDICATED IT. RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE, WELL, NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET IT UP FRONT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. SO I MEAN, IT WAS PART OF MY PART OF MY REASONING. I LIKED YOUR OPINION ABOUT IT, HONESTLY. IS THERE A IS THERE ANY PRECEDENT THAT'S BEEN SET BECAUSE THE TWO WE HAD TWO, AT LEAST TWO SITE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED WITH THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS IN THEM. RIGHT. EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT RECORDED. IS THAT THE ONLY CRITERIA OR, YOU KNOW, IF A JUDGE LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, YES, YES, THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW, APPROVED AND OKAYED BY THE DEVELOPER AND BY THE CITY, BUT THEY WERE JUST NEVER RECORDED.

THEREFORE, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOW THEM. IS THAT DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ALLOWED THEM? THAT THAT THE EASEMENTS WOULD BELONG TO THE CITY? OH WELL, I THINK HE WOULD HE WOULD RULE IN FAVOR OF THE CITY. MORE LIKELY TO HAVE HAPPEN THERE IS THAT THE CONTENTION IN THE APPEAL WAS THAT YOU PICK DID EVERYTHING THE CITY ASKED IT TO DO. AND THEN AT THE LAST MINUTE, THE CITY DEMANDED EASEMENTS AND RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THAT WERE NEVER BROUGHT UP BEFORE IN THE ENTIRETY. BUT WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE. AND I REALLY THINK THAT A JUDGE THAT WAS REVIEWING THE CITY'S REASONING WOULD SAY WHAT COUNSEL SAID, WHICH IS, WELL, THAT'S DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE BECAUSE YOU PUT IT ON YOUR SITE PLAN IN NOVEMBER 2021 THAT YOU WOULD DEDICATE THOSE. SO WHY WOULD IF IT WAS A BRAND NEW THING THAT HAD NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED AND HAD NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP? WHY DID YOU PUT IT ON YOUR SITE PLAN AND SAY THAT YOU WOULD DEDICATE TO THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS TEN FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY? WELL, THOSE ARE THE WORDS ON 3 OR 4 YEARS. AND THERE'S AN EXHIBIT ON THERE. YEAH, THOSE ARE THE WORDS THAT ARE ON THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING A COURT WILL LOOK AT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THIS COUNSEL LOOKED AT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT LOOKED AT. IT'S IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD OF WHAT THIS DECISION IS BEING BASED OFF OF, I DO THINK IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO AGREE WITH THE APPELLANT HERE THAT THIS WAS A BRAND NEW THING. THEY WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MINUTE. YEAH, I LIKE IT. I AGREE WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. AND THAT IS COUNCIL MEMBERS. DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'VE HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO REVIEW THIS AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. OR WOULD YOU LIKE MORE TIME

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DINGMAN. YES. FREEMAN. YES. FRANCIS I. RADFORD. ABSTAIN. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. WITH THAT, THEN. THANK YOU. WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON. THIS WILL THEN JUST BE PART OF OUR RECORD AND AVAILABLE IF EVER IF ANYONE EVER WANTS TO LOOK AT IT. RIGHT. I DO HAVE A SIGNATURE SHEET THAT I ASK THE COUNCIL TO SIGN. SHOULD WE JUST CIRCULATE IT OR DO YOU CIRCULATE IT NOW WHILE WE'RE HERE? OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN THIS WILL THIS BECOME THEN PART OF THE MINUTES OF THE APPENDED TO THE MINUTES FOR FROM THAT NIGHT? OR WILL THIS JUST BE A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT ISN'T REALLY PART OF OUR ONLINE COLLECTION? I GUESS AS PART OF THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING? NEVER MIND. IT'S PART OF THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING. IT IS AN OFFICIAL CITY RECORD. ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE A COPY OF IT MAY GET A COPY OF IT. WE WILL SEND A COPY TO THE APPELLANT SHORTLY AFTER IT'S SIGNED. AND BUT BECAUSE IT WILL BE IN THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING, NOBODY NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE HASSLE OF REQUESTING IT BECAUSE IT WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLINE WITH A CLICK TO ANYBODY WHO HAS A COMPUTER WHO WANTS TO PRINT IT OFF. OKAY. SORRY, JUST BEING A LITTLE SLOW THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCIL

[Mayor and City Council]

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CITY CLERK, WILL YOU CONDUCT THAT VOTE? CAN I CLARIFY? DID LARSON SECOND THAT OKAY? YES. THANK YOU. BURTONSHAW. YES. LARSON. YES.

RADFORD. HI. DINGMAN. YES. FRANCIS. HI. FREEMAN. YES. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK

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AND WE SAY RETREAT BECAUSE IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE WORD, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY IN THIS ROOM. THE MEETING WILL START AT 830, AND IT WILL LAST UNTIL ROUGHLY 130. IT COULD GO A TINY BIT SHORTER, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW QUICKLY THE CONSENSUS AND WHATEVER ROLLS ALONG.

COUNCILOR LARSON IS GOING TO BE ABSENT THAT DAY, BUT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT WERE IN WAYS THAT HE CAN WEIGH IN AHEAD OF TIME. AND THEN, OF COURSE, COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTON MAY SIT DOWN WITH HIM AFTERWARD JUST TO BRING HIM UP TO SPEED AS TO WHAT DECISIONS WERE MADE OR WHAT CHOICES WERE MADE IN THAT MEETING. BUT LET ME JUST START AT THE BEGINNING. HERE. WE'VE GOT THE CALENDAR. YOU'LL NOTE THAT TODAY WE HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL WEEK, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT WORK SESSION, POWER BOARD MEETING THURSDAY NIGHT. MEETING NEXT WEEK IS A BACK TO BACK.

NEXT WEEK IS ALSO COUNCIL MEETING AND A POWER BOARD MEETING. OR EXCUSE ME THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING. NO POWER. AND WE ALSO HAVE AN IDA BOARD MEETING THIS MONTH. BUT IT'S AT THE END OF THE MONTH ON 28. TO SAY THAT IT'S BEEN MOVED TO A FRIDAY BECAUSE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT CONFLICTS THAT WERE HAPPENING TO US THIS NEXT MONTH. THIS COMING MONDAY IS A HOLIDAY FOR THE CITY. THE CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED, EXCEPT FOR REGULAR SERVICES THAT ARE 24 OVER SEVEN.

AND SO THAT BUMPS OUR WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK TO TUESDAY AFTERNOON. LET'S SEE A FEW OTHER THINGS TO POINT OUT. OUR AIRPORT DIRECTOR WILL ACTUALLY BE THE FEATURED SPEAKER AT THE IDAHO FALLS CITY CLUB FORUM ON THE 20TH. SO NEXT THURSDAY, I THINK THAT'S OVER AT UNIVERSITY PLACE FOR THEIR. LET'S SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING ELSE JUMPS OUT AT YOU. LET ME KNOW AND YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS. SO THURSDAY NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING, MUCH LIKE THIS ONE, DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT ON THE AGENDA. THERE ARE 12 MEMOS. FOUR OF THEM ARE CONSENT. NO, WE NEED TO CHANGE IT THROUGH YOUR CONSENT ITEMS. AND SEVEN ARE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OFF OF CONSENSUS BACK ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE BUMPED IS YOU'LL SEE HERE. ONE IS A GRANT APPROVAL THAT NEEDED TO COME IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION THAT. GRANT WOULD BE GRANTOR, REQUIRED THAT WE PASS IT, THAT THE COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION. AND SO BECAUSE IT INVOLVES A RESOLUTION, WE TOOK IT OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PUT IT ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STATE LAW DICTATING THE HOW CONSENT AGENDAS AND REGULAR AGENDAS ARE TO BE USED. THERE'S A WHOLE BODY OF ROBERT'S RULES AND OTHER RULES OF ORDER THAT KIND OF DICTATE THAT SORT OF THING, AND WE GENERALLY GO WITH WHAT WE PERCEIVE TO BE THE BEST PRACTICES OF HOW THAT WORKS. WE NEED TO MODIFY OUR PRACTICE WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA. SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND A WHILE. YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A TIME, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, YOU HAD TO MAKE A MOTION AND THE MOTION HAD TO PASS. COUNCILOR FRANCIS LOOKED INTO IT A BIT AND SAID, I THINK AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I SHOULD ONLY HAVE TO REQUEST THAT IT COME UP AND COMMITTEE. SO THAT ACTUALLY IS QUITE A GOOD PRACTICE. YOU WANT THE BODY. THAT'S THE DECISION MAKING BODY TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE STRONG DECISIONS. AND SO THERE'S NO REASON TO FIGHT SOMETHING. CUTTING OFF CONSENT AGENDA. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE APPARENTLY A MUNICIPALITY WHERE THE CONSENT AGENDA HAS BECOME A BIT OF A CONTROVERSY OR AND WE HAVE, ACCORDING TO THE STORY, A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL WHO WANTS TO PULL SOMETHING OFF AND THE

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SO IF COUNCIL ACTUALLY HAS A LOT GOING ON, AND SO THAT IS PART OF WHY THE AGENDA IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT PACKED. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON THEN. BEYOND TUESDAY WORK SESSION THURSDAY COUNCIL MEETING. THEN FRIDAY IS OUR BUDGET MEETING. THE BUDGET MEETING WILL, AS I SAID, START AT 830 UNTIL JUST A LITTLE PAST LUNCH. THERE WILL BE A LUNCH PROVIDED YOU ARE FILLING OUT THE MENUS NOW AS PART OF THE PREPARATION FOR THAT, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ASPIRATIONS, THE SEVEN ASPIRATIONAL TRIANGLES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR LARGER TRIANGLE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE, THE YELLOW BAR, THE YELLOWISH ORANGISH. THOSE WILL ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BULLET POINTS WITHIN EACH ASPIRATION AND RANK THOSE IN ORDER OF MOST IMPORTANT TO LEAST IMPORTANT. WE HAVE FOUND A NIFTY LITTLE TOOL THAT WILL ALLOW FOR QUESTIONS LIKE THAT TO BE ASKED. SO CARLA INTRODUCED IT TO ME. I ENTERED ALL THE DATA. SHE'S HOPEFULLY, IF ALL WORKS WELL, SHE'LL BE EMAILING THAT OUT TO YOU. OR MAYBE SHE ALREADY HAS, AND YOU'LL GET THAT EMAIL, YOU'LL RANK THEM AND THEN YOU'LL HIT SUBMIT. AND THEN THE DATA

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SO BUT WE DO WANT TO SEE WHAT. YEAH. LIKE WHAT PEOPLE JUST THINK INDIVIDUALLY. IF THEY WERE JUST TO RANK IT AND SAY, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO ME. SO IT'S MEANT TO INFORM THE DISCUSSION, NOT LOCK IT DOWN. YEAH. OKAY. SO HOPEFULLY THAT IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL TODAY, IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME LITTLE GLITCH IN TURKEY AND YOU'LL GET IT TOMORROW. MOVING ON. I WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION JUST SO THAT I CAN MOVE FORWARD. I'M GOING TO CLARIFY THIS WITH BOTH COUNCIL TODAY AND DIRECTORS TOMORROW. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE VERY BIG BUDGET MEETING FOR THE ALL DAY ONE, WHICH LAST YEAR WE HELD IT OVER AT THE POLICE STATION AND WE WILL AGAIN, ALL OF US, WE HAVE MOVED IT FROM A FRIDAY TO A MONDAY AND THAT HAS BEEN SENT OUT AND IT'S BEEN PUT ON EVERYBODY'S CALENDAR. IT'S SET FOR MONDAY, APRIL 28TH, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYBODY WHO DIDN'T RAISE AN OBJECTION BEFORE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A MONDAY. I DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH A DAY THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE STRESS OR STRIFE. MONDAY THE 28TH, WE WERE TRYING TO STEER CLEAR OF EVERYTHING. WHEN DOES IT END? WELL, IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE USUALLY START STRONG IN THE MORNING AND THEN WE DISMISS NON GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS AFTER A WHILE. AND THEN IT'S MOSTLY JUST GENERAL FUND FOR THE WRAP UP. ON UNTIL THREE BEFORE WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T COME CLOSE TO BUILDING THAT AGENDA YET. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WITH ANY PRECISION. WE'LL TRY THE CALENDAR UNTIL FIVE. I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS, DO I NEED TO REQUEST A DAY OFF? MORE THAN LIKELY IT WOULD BE AN ALL DAY EXPERIENCE WITH MY GIVE OR TAKE A COUPLE HOURS. I WE DON'T WANT TO EXHAUST EVERYBODY, AND I THINK ONE OF THE QUALITIES THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW BRINGS IS SHE JUST WANTS TO HIT WHAT WE NEED TO HIT AND NOT GET FLUFFY. SO IT'S GOOD AND BAD GUYS, EVERYBODY HERE IS KIND OF GETTING USED TO HIT, WHICH IS A GOOD A GOOD REFLECTION ON YOU, COUNCILOR LARSON, BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN THAT BLENDED RIGHT IN WITH THIS GROUP. THAT'S KIND OF BEEN DOING IT A WHILE. WELL THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO NO OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY. I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT TO THE DIRECTORS AND SEE IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT. I THINK THE IDEA WAS TO SHAKE IT UP AND SEE IF THEY, INSTEAD OF TAKING A WHOLE FRIDAY AND BLEEDING INTO SOMEONE'S WEEKEND, WE CAN START LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE MORE PRESSING, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS. HERE. ALL RIGHT THEN I WILL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEW NUCLEAR FORUM THAT CLOSES FOR EARLY BIRD CLOSES THIS FRIDAY, I WAS PLANNING TO BRING ANY PAPERWORK THAT I MAY NEED TO SHARE WITH YOU ON WEDNESDAY TO OUR POWER BOARD MEET, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I'M. CATHERINE AND I ARE PART OF THAT PLANNING COMMITTEE, AND WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME. SO FEEL FREE TO ASK ME. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING IS TO TALK ABOUT LEGISLATIVE ISSUES I DIDN'T CATHERINE IS OUT OF TOWN. SHE IS IN BOISE RIGHT NOW ATTENDING THE EXCUSE ME, THE TRANSIT DAY AND HAVE LUNCH WITH SOME LEGISLATORS TODAY. HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATION THAT WAS NOT EVEN NECESSARILY TRANSIT RELATED HAPPENED. I THINK THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WATER ISSUES AND OTHER THINGS. SO SHE WAS THERE. ON A GOOD DAY, SHE'LL BE THERE TOMORROW. BACK UP WITH THE SAME GROUP BECAUSE OF THE CHAMBER DAYS OF THE LEGISLATURE.

AND SO SHE'S GETTING SOME GOOD EXPOSURE AND SHE'S MEETING WITH SOME GROUPS THAT SHE NEEDS TO MEET WITH, INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOLKS FROM THE CITY OF BOISE. THERE ARE

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HE'S LIKE OUR OWN LITTLE VERSION OF GOOGLE. YOU KNOW, HE'S JUST AT TEN. IT'S EASY TO READ, BY THE WAY. IT'S NOT HARD TO READ, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT. IF YOU DIVIDE THE CITY LIKE IDAHO FALLS INTO 4 OR 3 DISTRICTS OR SOMETHING, YOU START GETTING I'LL TAKE CARE OF MY PART, BUT I'M NOT TAKING CARE OF YOUR PART. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MADISON SAID IS GOING TO HAPPEN. FACTIONS WILL TAKE MORE CONTROL WITH THE SMALLER GROUP, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT I WILL TELL PEOPLE, IS WE WANT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO BE CITY REGARDING RIGHT. THEY PAY ATTENTION TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, NOT DISTRICT. REGARDING. NOW, WHEN YOU GET QUITE LARGE, YOU MIGHT HAVE REGIONAL, GEOGRAPHIC, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OF A RIVER OR IN THE FOOTHILLS, OR YOU MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT START TO CREATE DIFFERENT NEEDS. BUT WE'RE NOT THAT LARGE. AND YOU ALSO END UP WITH A WHOLE LAYER OF PEOPLE'S LOYALTIES THAT COME BEFORE THE WHOLE CITY. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I DON'T THINK PARTIZANSHIP IS USEFUL IN CITIES EITHER, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT LOYALTIES TO SOMETHING BESIDES YOUR CITY TO COMPLICATE YOUR DECISION MAKING. IT'S COMPLICATED ENOUGH AS IT IS, SEEMS TO ME TO THAT IT WOULD LOWER THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR YOU, FOR YOU TO GET ELECTED, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DIVIDE THE CITY UP INTO SIX DISTRICTS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET ONLY A SIXTH OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAN VOTE FOR YOU. RIGHT? IT'S INTERESTING THAT THAT'S NOT A MANDATE TO RUN THE CITY. YOU GUYS LIKE YOU, LISA AND JIM, HAVE ALL GOTTEN TEN, 11,000 VOTES. MY FIRST WIN WAS 2500 BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE OFF MAYORAL ELECTION SO THAT FEWER PEOPLE VOTE. YEAH, THAT THAT WAS MY OBSERVATION. I THINK WHEN I RUN, IT WAS AROUND 4000. YEAH. WELL, IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY SIX, YEAH, YOU CAN DO THE MATH. YEAH. OFF CYCLE NON-PRESIDENTIAL YEARS ARE THE WORST FOR TURNOUT AND PRESIDENTIAL YEARS ARE THE BEST FOR TURNOUT. AND IT'S JUST HOW IT ROLLS. AND WE KNOW WHAT THE IMPETUS WAS. I KNOW THEY DID THIS TO BOISE AT 100,000. WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THAT MADE EVERYONE UPSET THAT WE I CAN'T I THINK WELL, I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT STORIES FOR THIS ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S COMING UP THIS YEAR, BUT ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO WHEN IT CAME UP, IT WAS A GROUP THAT WANTED TO. THEY THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A WAY OF EVEN IN A NONPARTISAN SETTING, TO GAIN A PARTIZAN ADVANTAGE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SMALLER ELECTORATE AND SO YOU HAVE FEWER PEOPLE COMMUNICATE WITH ABOUT WITH YOUR PARTIZAN MESSAGE. I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THIS, BUT I DO. SO ANYWAY, I HAVE A STRONG BIAS IN MY BIAS DOESN'T REFLECT WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. I NEED TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT AND NOT REPRESENT MY BIAS TO ME. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THE ANSWER, BUT HOW ARE SCHOOL BOARD ELECTIONS RUN? ARE THEY DONE IN DISTRICTS? DISTRICTS? YEAH, RIGHT. AND SO IT'S SO THIS WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR. YEAH. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE THERE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? FIVE. OKAY. FIVE. AND YEAH I THINK PART OF THE GENESIS OF THAT WAS THAT YOU HAVE THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTION. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE KIND OF REPRESENTING WHERE I'M GOING WRONG HERE. THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN YOUR AREA THAT ARE IN YOUR AREA.

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AND THEN THAT THERE IS SOME PREFERENCE TO GO TO SOME HYBRID SYSTEM IF IT DOES EVEN GET TO THEM, SO THAT THERE WOULD BE FOUR DISTRICTS AND TWO AT LARGE, WHICH IS COMPLICATED TO ME. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BENEFIT. THE REAL WORRY I HAVE ABOUT THIS BILL IS JUST BRINGING HOME THE BACON, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM HERE. AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CONGRESSIONAL PROBLEM. RIGHT? SO YOU BRING HOME THE MONEY TO YOUR DISTRICT. SO IF YOU GET IF YOU'RE A PARK BETWEEN TWO PLACES, SUDDENLY I'M GOING TO VOTE DIFFERENT. WELL, YOU AND I LIVE IN BUT YOU KNOW, WEST SIDE VERSUS WHICH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DEALS WITH, I'M TRYING TO DEAL WITH. YEAH. I MEAN, THE IDEA IS THAT YOU GET A LOT OF TRAINING ON LIKE, WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A TRUSTEE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ENTRUSTED. THEY'RE NOT THERE'S NO COMPENSATION TO IT. I MEAN, AND THE AND THERE'S AN ODD NUMBER BECAUSE THE SUPERINTENDENT ISN'T A TIEBREAKER LIKE IN THIS CASE, THE MAYOR. SO IT'S A IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT IN SOME WAYS STRUCTURE THAT THE FIVE OF US COULD POSSIBLY BE IN THE SAME DISTRICT. WE LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH TO ONE ANOTHER, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. THAT, THAT. AND SO THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE WELL GOOD.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO START GETTING SOME REPRESENTATION FROM OTHER PARTS OF TOWN. THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM THAT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE LARGE ENOUGH FOR PARTS OF TOWN TO HAVE ENVY.

BUT THE MINUTE WE GET DISTRICTS AND PEOPLE START BRINGING HOME PARKS OR, OR THE REC CENTER OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THING WE'RE WORKING ON FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, AND IT STARTS TO SHOW UP IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD OR VERSUS ANOTHER, YOU'LL START GETTING THAT DIVISION. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY IN TERMS OF CREATING NEW DIVISION OR RESENTMENT, I DON'T KNOW. AGAIN, I'M VERY BIASED, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE MANY OF YOU SHARE THIS CONCERN THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED. I'M SURE I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE OTHER THE OTHER CONSIDERATION I HAD, AND YOU MAY HAVE SEEN MY REPLY TO THAT TEXT, BUT. IS THAT IT? IT SEEMS TO ME IT MIGHT BE AN ATTEMPT TO GET A NOSE UNDER THE TENT, THE CAMEL'S NOSE UNDER THE TENT, AS FAR AS GOING GOING TO PARTIZAN ELECTIONS FOR CITY OFFICIALS, WHICH REALLY SCARES ME. WHICH REALLY, YOU KNOW, I THAT'S THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE. I REALLY THINK THAT NONPARTISAN IS A SUCCESS FACTOR FOR WHAT WE DO. MYSELF JUST MIKE I'M SORRY, IS THAT IS THE CONSTITUTION IS THE CITY OF ELECTIONS THAT CONSTITUTIONAL, THAT WE'RE NONPARTISAN OR IS THAT A STATE STATUTE? STATE STATUTE. SO IT IS VERY CHANGEABLE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT NOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER LEGISLATIVE ISSUES THAT ARE BURNING THAT WE'RE NERVOUS ABOUT, THERE ARE PLENTY THAT WE'RE WATCHING, AND THERE ARE PLENTY THAT WE ARE OPPOSED TO.

BUT I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IS THE MEDICAID VOUCHER FOR US IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON US UNTIL WE'LL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY, IT WON'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON CITY GOVERNANCE. BUT BUT THE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. WELL, NO, SORRY. YOU WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR FIRE AMBULANCE REIMBURSEMENTS. THAT'S WHEN WE GOT INTO THE BLACK IS WHEN WE CAN START CHARGING. I DO THINK THAT THE REALITY OF THE NUMBERS IS STARTING TO SINK IN WITH MEMBERS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHY I HAVE THAT IMPRESSION, BUT I'M STARTING TO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WHEN THEY DO THE MATH, THEY REALIZE THAT WE'RE BETTER OFF WITH IT THAN WITHOUT IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER THINGS JUMPING OUT AT YOU, JIM, FROM THE FRIDAY CALL. I. KNOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE TROUBLING THAT THE ONE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A STAND ON THE IMMIGRANTS IN THE CITY AND WHAT THAT WILL MEAN. BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S BEING NO STANCE BEING TAKEN BY AOC FOR. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, I THINK I'M HAPPY TO START WITH OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND WORK OUR WAY AROUND THE ROOM. AND RICH DERIVATIVES REPORTS AND QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND THINGS YOU WANT TO RAISE. THIS BILL WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD TO DISCUSS WITH 1075. THIS WAS THE ONLY THING I HAD TO DISCUSS TODAY OTHER THAN THAT, I'M DONE. GREAT. I JUST MENTIONED THAT AT LIAISON MEETING WITH CHIEF JOHNSON WITH THE POLICE, AND I SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM ABOUT ANY REQUESTS YOU'RE GETTING FROM ICE. AND HE'S. HE'S NOT GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY OR ANYTHING THAT HE HASN'T RECEIVED IN THE PAST. NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED. THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE. AND IT'S KIND OF STATUS QUO. I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO

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YEAH. THE POLICE HAD I MEAN, I ACTUALLY IT WAS THE NICEST ONE I'VE BEEN TO, I THOUGHT, I MEAN, THEY WERE ALL NICE, BUT YEAH, WHEN THEY GAVE THE AWARDS, THE DEPARTMENT AWARDS FOR ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WORDS THEY GAVE OUT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? PROBABLY 20 PERHAPS. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEY HAD A REALLY NICE TURNOUT AT THE AT THE WATERFRONT. AND I TOLD CHIEF JOHNSON IN MY MEETING TODAY THAT EVERY, EVERY TIME HE GETS UP AND SPEAKS TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S EVIDENT HOW MUCH HE CARES ABOUT THEM, THAT HE THAT HE REALLY HAS THEIR BACK, THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S HE HE LOVES THOSE GUYS. HE YOU KNOW, HE AND IT SHOWS AND I KNOW THAT THEY APPRECIATE THAT. SO THAT CAME OUT VERY EVIDENTLY THE OTHER NIGHT. THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ESPRIT DE CORPS. YEAH. CAN I PUT AN AMEN ON THAT. AND TODAY IN OUR LIAISON MEETING HE SAID SOMETHING ELSE. I DON'T RECALL WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT JUST REINFORCED TO ME WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT HE'S HE'S AN EVERY MAN'S. KIND OF LEADER. I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH SOME DISCIPLINING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND HE KNEW IT NEEDED TO BE DONE, BUT HE DIDN'T NEED TO OVERDO IT. AND COUNCILOR FRANCIS, YOU WERE THERE AS WELL.

ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I THINK WE'VE GOT IT. IT'S ALWAYS IMPRESSIVE. I TELL JESSICA CLEMENTS THEY SHOULD FILM SOME OF THOSE AND USE IT FOR RECRUITING VIDEOS. BECAUSE OF THE ESPRIT DE CORPS, NOT JUST THE HEROICS OF INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS. AND HE ALSO RECOGNIZES THE CIVILIANS, LIKE THE DISPATCH PEOPLE ALSO, THAT HAVE PUT SO MUCH TIME INTO SOCIAL WORK, A LOT OF EMOTION INTO THEIR WORK, TOO. YEAH, THEY DID HAVE A SPECIAL AWARD FOR THE MISTER BOB OR DETECTIVE BALL. BODGER, BODGER, BODGER. NO. ISN'T IT OUR. YEAH. DARREN. OH, HIS FIRST NAME. OH. ANYWAY, IT WAS JUST NICE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILORS, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH FROM YOUR AREAS? NOT HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THE ONE. YEAH. THE ONE THING ABOUT FIRE IS RIGHT NOW, TENTATIVELY HOPING FOR BREAKING GROUND FOR THE NORTH SIDE STATION IN MARCH. NO DATE SET. STAY TUNED. BUT YEAH, I WROTE MARCH. APRIL. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, WELL, MAYBE WE WON'T BE DIGGING IN SNOW AGAIN. YEAH. THAT'S NICE. ANYBODY REMEMBER WHEN WE BROKE GROUND ON A STATION OVER HERE? STATION NUMBER ONE. IT WAS A SNOWY, SNOWY DAY, SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND ANYTHING ELSE. JUST KIND OF IT'S COME UP IN SOME CONVERSATION WITH WITH DIRECTORS AS WE MOVE INTO THE BUDGET THAT THE ONE CITY, ONE TEAM CONCEPT STAYED TO THE FRONT OF OUR MINDS EVEN AS IT RELATES TO COUNCIL'S RELATIONSHIP TO EVERYBODY, THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM TRYING TO FORGE SOME DIRECTION THAT WILL DO THAT. NICE TALK. VERY NICE TALK. GOOD TO HEAR ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY ELSE JUST THINKING FOR THEIR GROUP NEEDS TO HEAR. BE AWARE OF. WELL GREAT. THEN I THINK WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY HERE ON WELL WEDNESDAY MORNING IN POWER AND THEN THURSDAY EVENING BACK IN HERE AND BACK TO LATHER RINSE REPEAT FOR NEXT WEEK. I DO THE POINT THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MADE IS THAT IS WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ASPIRATIONS RATHER THAN BY DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IF THIS IS A TOP ASPIRATION, WHAT DEPARTMENTS WORK TOGETHER TO FULFILL THIS AS OPPOSED TO LIKE ZEROING IN ON THE DEPARTMENT? IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH THAT CITYWIDE ASPIRATIONS RATHER THAN DEPARTMENTAL. SO YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD YOU APPLIED IT THAT WAY BECAUSE I WAS JUST NODDING THAT THIS MAKES SENSE. ALL RIGHT. WE

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