YEAR. MACHINES. WOW. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING FOR JANUARY [00:00:09] 28TH, 2025. PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES. BEFORE WE GET TO THE AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURE. THE CHAIRMAN MYSELF WILL OPEN THE HEARING FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY. THE APPLICANTS WILL BE ASKED TO PRESENT THE APPLICATION. STAFF WILL GO OVER A STAFF REPORT. NEXT, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON AN AGENDA ITEM. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE BOARD WILL NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. HOW ARE THE APPLICANT MAY ANSWER THEM DURING THE REBUTTAL PERIOD OF THE MEETING? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION WILL BE CALLED ON TO SPEAK FIRST. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK NEUTRAL WILL BE CALLED ON NEXT, AND THEN ANYONE IN OPPOSITION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. ONCE CONCERNS AND COMMENTS ARE STATED, THIS IS ON THE RECORD WILL BE CONSIDERED AND DOES NOT NEED TO BE REPEATED. FINALLY, THE APPLICANT WILL BE INVITED TO REBUT COMMENTS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP BY THE PUBLIC. IF THEY WISH TO DO SO. THE BOARD MAY ASK QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO GATHER INFORMATION OR TO CLARIFY STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. THE CHAIRMAN WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING. ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO COMMENT. THE BOARD WILL DELIBERATE AND MAKE A DECISION. THE BOARD MAY CHOOSE TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR TABLE THE APPLICATION FOR ADDITIONAL [Minutes: December 17, 2024] INFORMATION. SO WE'LL MOVE TO OUR AGENDA, WHICH ARE MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CONCERNS OF THE MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED I DO A SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT. THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 17TH, 2024, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED PLEASE SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THE MINUTES PASS. ALL RIGHT. WE [VAR24-003: Variance to allow an indoor gun range closer than the minimum standard of 600 feet to the closest dwelling unit.] WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANTS FIRST READ. THE APPLICANT CAN PRESENT THEIR APPLICATION LETTERS REPRESENTING US. THAT'S YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. I APPRECIATE THE BOARD HAVING US HERE. SO. PROBABLY CAN TALK LOUD ENOUGH FOR ALL OF YOU, BUT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A VARIANCE FOR AN IDAHO FALLS POLICE INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED AT THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE COMPLEX ON THEIR. LET'S KEEP IT TO THE FIRST ONE. IT'S AN INDOOR FIRING RANGE FOR THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THERE WE GO. AND THE FACILITY PROVIDES AN ONGOING TRAINING AND QUALIFICATIONS TO MAINTAIN WEAPONS PROFICIENCY. AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A HIGHLY LITIGIOUS. THE FIREARMS USE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND WE HAVE A RIFLE AND WE HAVE PISTOL. WE QUALIFY QUALIFY ON THOSE THINGS TWICE A YEAR, A DAY AND A NIGHT CALL. BUT WE HAVE QUARTERLY FIREARMS TRAININGS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S PROFICIENT WITH THEIR FIREARMS TRAININGS. SO WE DO TWO HOURS OF DE-ESCALATION TRAINING AND THEN THREE HOURS OF ACTUAL FIREARMS TRAINING. AND THAT'S DONE QUARTERLY. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A DAY AND A NIGHT CALL. WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO PUT ON THE COMPLEX WOULD BE A PRE-MANUFACTURED TWO TWO RIFLE RATED LANES, THAT 25 YARDS THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO A LOT OF THOSE QUALIFICATIONS AND HANDGUN TRAINING, ESPECIALLY WITH WITH ON THE POLICE COMPLEX. IT'S A MONORAIL DESIGN, WHICH MEANS MOVING TARGETS TWO LANES BOTH WAYS WITH A BULLET TRAP AND THEN LIGHTING AND HVAC FILTRATION SYSTEM. AND THEN IT'S ON A SECURED LOCATION IN A SECURED FACILITY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE PRESENTATION WOULD BE. SO THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT WE LOOK AT IT. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW. AND I'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER OF THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE COMPLEX AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH IT. THAT'S NORTH NORTHGATE MILE. AND THEN IN THE BACK THAT'S THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE. YEP. AND THEN UP TO THE TOP OF THAT IS OUR AUXILIARY BUILDING, OUR TRAINING BUILDING. AND WHERE WE HOLD STORE A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT FOR SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS, CRIME SCENE TRAILERS, BOMB SQUADS, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEN BACK WHERE THE PARKING IS JUST BELOW THE PARKING IS AN OPEN AREA. THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS, THE CONTAINER RANGE. SO IF YOU COULD CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT'LL SHOW YOU IT'S A ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN EVEN THE NEXT SLIDE WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE LOCATION THAT'S THAT'S THERE. THAT'S THE LOCATION THAT WE'D LIKE TO PLACE THAT WITH THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S WHAT OUR MOBILE OR CONTAINER RANGE LOOKS LIKE. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPANIES THAT THAT DO THIS. [00:05:01] THERE ARE 52 OR 53 FOOT CONTAINERS THAT COULD BE PUT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. THAT'S A FOUR LANE RANGE IN THERE, BUT WE'D BE LOOKING AT A TWO LANE RANGE THIS NEXT SLIDE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S ANOTHER DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE INSIDE. THERE'S FILTRATION SYSTEMS, HEATING, LIGHTING. THERE IS A CONTROL ROOM WHERE THE FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR COULD BE AND MOVE THE TARGETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE MOBILE OR CONTAINER RANGES, THEY PROVIDE A 360 DEGREE ALL AXIAL CONTAINMENT MADE WITH THREE EIGHT THICK AR 15 ARMOR PLATING. AND THAT'S THE FLOOR, THE CEILINGS AND THE WALLS. THE HVAC SYSTEM, WHICH MEETS ALL OSHA AND OSHA AND EPA REQUIREMENTS, AIR FILTRATION, RETURN EXHAUST, CO2 LEVEL WARNING SYSTEMS, THOSE THINGS WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A GRANULATED RUBBER BULLET STYLE TRAP, FULLY INSULATED, THERMAL AND ACOUSTIC. SO THE ACOUSTIC MUST BE DEMONSTRATED IN A REVERBERATION OF LESS THAN 1.3 SECONDS. I HOPE YOU DON'T WANT MORE DETAIL ON THAT, BECAUSE I'M KIND OF GETTING THAT FROM THEM. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE ACOUSTIC PROPERTIES OF WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK TO THE VENDORS ABOUT WAS THE ACOUSTIC AND THE INSULATION PROPERTIES WITH IT ON THE NEXT ONE. SO WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT ON THE SETUP FROM THE MANUFACTURER, THEY WOULD BE DELIVERY ASSEMBLY, THE HVAC SYSTEM, THE MONORAIL SETUP, THE TRAINING, THE WARRANTY AND SERVICE PLAN, AND THEN THE THINGS FROM THE IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE THE FOUNDATION, THE SITE WORK. THERE WOULD BE SOME FOOTINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO LAY TO MAKE THEM STATIC. WE ALREADY HAVE POWER RUN TO THAT LOCATION BACK THERE, SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE POWER THERE, LEAD REMOVAL AS NEEDED. REPLACEMENT GRANULATED RUBBER STYLE TRAP AS NEEDED AND THEN MAINTAIN THAT WARRANTY AND SERVICE PLAN. SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH IT OR. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. SO ONE THING I WAS KIND OF INTERESTED ON WHEN I READ THROUGH OUR PACKET, IT TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACOUSTICS OBVIOUSLY SET UP FOR THIS THING SO THAT IT'S NOT A HUGE PUBLIC DISTURBANCE. LIKE YOU'VE PROBABLY VISITED THESE AT OTHER SITES THROUGHOUT YOUR CAREER. WHAT HAVE YOU NOTICED IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY TO THESE THINGS WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE SHOOTING GOING ON INSIDE? FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THE COMMERCIAL RANGE IN TOWN, LIKE ANYWHERE, YOU REALLY CAN'T HEAR THE SHOOTING UNTIL YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING. AND PLUS, WITH THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE AT NOW, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANY MORE NOISE OR ACOUSTIC PROBLEMS FROM THE RANGE THAN YOU WOULD FROM THE RAILROAD TRACK, AND THE PUBLIC WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE BUILDING ANYWAY. IT'S A KIND OF A SECURE LOCATION IN THERE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED WITH HOW LOUD IT IS, MORE THE SOUNDS THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THERE TO ME WOULD BE TERRIFYING TO IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT AS INSULATED, RIGHT. AND I IN READING OUR PACKET, I THINK IT SAID THE CITY ORDINANCE SAID REQUIRES LIKE 65 UNDER 65DB AT THE PROPERTY LINE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TESTED? YES. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, IT CAN BE TESTED. AND SEVERAL MANUFACTURERS THAT I'VE TALKED TO WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TEST THAT. OKAY. FABULOUS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M JUST THIS IS FASCINATING TO ME BECAUSE I REALLY WASN'T EXPECTING AN EXISTING STRUCTURE TO BE ABLE TO BE MODIFIED LIKE THIS TO DO THAT, WHICH IS COOL. BUT YOU ALL ARE WEARING THE PROTECTIVE HEADGEAR IN THERE. WHAT? WHAT EXACTLY BUCKLES THE SOUND? WELL, NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE THE 3/8 INCH ARE ARE 500 ARMOR, BUT THEY COAT IT WITH A BALLISTIC RUBBER TO TRY TO HELP THAT. THAT HELPS WITH THE RICOCHET, THAT HELPS WITH THE SOUND. AND PLUS THEY'RE INSULATED SO A LAYER OF INSULATION THAN THE ARMOR. AND THEN THE RUBBER HOUSING I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT IN THERE TO TRY TO HELP THAT. AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT 6500DB IS LIKE. IS IT IS IT LIKE IF YOU WERE AT THE EXISTING GUN GUN RANGE, IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE, THOSE DOORS ALLOW YOU INTO THE ACTUAL FIRING SPOT? IS THAT ABOUT THAT AMOUNT OF NOISE? WELL, THAT'S THE OUTSIDE NOISE. THAT'S THE OUTSIDE NOISE. SO IF YOU WERE TO GO TO GUNS AND GEAR, YOU COULD BE WALKING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND, AND FAINTLY HEAR MAYBE FIRE FIRING THAT'S GOING ON. AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE 25FT AWAY FROM THE, THE WALL. RIGHT. BUT THEY RUN THE SAME SYSTEM, THE INSULATION SYSTEM, THE, THE ARMOR PROTECTION AND THEN THE, THE RUBBER PROTECTION THAT GOES ON TOP OF THAT. YOU GUYS HAVE NEEDED SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. IT WOULD HELP LOGISTICALLY A LOT TO FROM HAVING TO TRAVEL, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, WE SHARE AN EXTERNAL RANGE WITH [00:10:01] 3 OR 4 OTHER AGENCIES IDAHO STATE POLICE, BONNEVILLE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, PROBATION AND PAROLE. IT'S LIMITED TIME AND LIMITED SPACE OUT THERE. AND THEN IN THE WINTER TIME, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIMITED DURATION THAT YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE ACTUALLY TRAINING. AND THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO GET OUR AT LEAST OUR QUALIFICATIONS DONE IMMEDIATELY. YEAH. AND DO IT RIGHT THERE BY WHERE ALL THE MAIN FACILITIES ARE. YEAH. THAT'S AWESOME. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THAT. YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THESE QUARTERLY TRAININGS. HOW OFTEN DO YOU SUSPECT THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GOING IN THERE FOR ROUTINE LIKE PRACTICE AND STUFF LIKE THAT? WELL, WE HAVE WHAT WE WHAT'S CALLED AN IN-HOUSE ACADEMY WHERE WE RUN FIREARMS TRAINING. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS AND THERE'S A THERE'S REALLY NO WAY AT THIS POINT WITH THAT FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF OUR TRAINING THERE 100%. RIGHT? SO OUR RIFLE TRAINING, WHEN WE'RE SHOOTING OUT AT DISTANCE, WHEN WE HAVE 100, YOU KNOW, 100M OR 100 YARDS THAT WE NEED TO TRAIN AT OR 200 YARDS THAT WE'RE TRAINING AT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AT THE EXTERNAL RANGE. BUT THOSE THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO PLAN. AND SMALLER, SMALLER QUANTITIES. THE MAIN BENEFIT WOULD BE THE PISTOL. AS POLICE OFFICERS, OUR PRIMARY WEAPON IS OUR HANDGUN, AND WE HAVE TO TRAIN WITH THAT HANDGUN ON A RECURRING BASIS, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IT DURING THE IN-HOUSE ACADEMY TO RUN OUT THERE. BUT IT WOULD ALSO GIVE US AT LEAST ONE FULL PISTOL TRAINING SESSION THERE. SO WE ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW, IF AN OFFICER FOR HIS DAY AND NIGHT CALL AND THEN ONE FULL HANDGUN TRAINING, WHICH IS A THREE HOUR TRAINING BLOCK AROUND 300 ROUND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE PER OFFICER PER YEAR. THAT'S WHAT WE ESTIMATE THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, START OFF USING THAT RANGE WITH 300 ROUNDS PER OFFICER, 102 OFFICERS PER YEAR. AND THEN WE WOULD WE'D SEE. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T INTEND TO USE IT FOR WHOEVER TO GO AND PRACTICE LIKE FOR ANY OFFICER WHO'S NOT DOING TRAINING TO JUST PRACTICE, I WOULD YES, I THINK THAT WE WOULD LEAVE THAT OPEN, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE REMEDIAL TRAINING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE DURING QUALIFICATIONS. YEAH, BUT WE WOULD ALSO WE WOULD MAKE THAT AVAILABLE FOR THEM. BUT IT'S JUST HARD TO GUESS WHAT, HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE. BUT WE WOULD LIKE OFFICERS TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND TRAIN WHEN THEY CAN, UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF A FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASES OF WHEN REMEDIAL TRAINING IS NEEDED FOR FIREARMS. OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE BRASS? PROBABLY TRY TO RECYCLE IT. I MEAN, ARE YOU GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC GUYS LIKE ME TO BUY THEM? I DON'T KNOW, I'VE NEVER EVEN GOT TO THAT PART, THAT PART YET. BUT IT SHOULD BE A LOT OF BRASS IN THERE. YEAH, YEAH, PRIMARILY NINE MILLIMETER AND FIVE, FIVE, SIX. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANKS. I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME OUT HERE I FORGOT TO GRAB THE WITH THE SLIDES. YEAH. SO THIS IS A VARIANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW AN INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE CLOSER THAN THE NEAREST RESIDENCE, THAN THE MEDIUM STANDARD SETBACK OF 600FT. THE REQUESTED ACTION THIS EVENING IS TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE, TO ALLOW THE INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE TO BE CLOSER THAN THE MINIMUM 600FT TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL DWELLING. I'M GOING TO SKIP THE HISTORY PORTION. YOU'VE GOT IT IN YOUR PACKETS AND THE STAFF REPORT. IT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING. SO AN APPLICATION WAS MADE DECEMBER 5TH, 2020 FOR A SITE PLAN SHOWING THE POLICE STATION WITH THE AUXILIARY BUILDING AND FUTURE BUILDING WAS APPROVED. THE FUTURE BUILDING ON THE SITE IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION. AND AS WAS POINTED OUT, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SOUTH OF THAT FUTURE BUILDING SITE. SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE AT THE LOCATION THAT WAS POINTED OUT THIS EVENING. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED IAM. IAM DOES ALLOW FOR AN INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE. THE PROPOSED SHOOTING RANGE WILL MEET ALL OF THE STANDARDS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF IT BEING CLOSER THAN 600 600FT TO A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT. AND AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE IS AN ACTUAL. THERE IS A RAILROAD TRACKS THERE THAT ARE PROBABLY CREATING MORE OF AN IMPACT TO THE RESIDENCES TO THE WEST THAN THIS INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE. WOULD. ALL OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CODE PAN OUT WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? THE REASON FOR THE LOCATION OF THE SHOOTING RANGE IS, IS I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A HARDSHIP HERE WITH THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LOT COVERAGE. THERE REALLY ISN'T ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THIS STRUCTURE TO BE PLACED. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE SEVERAL BUILDINGS ALREADY ON SITE PARKING, AND THEN JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS THEIR STORM [00:15:03] POND. SO REALLY, THAT REALLY IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR THIS TO BE, TO BE PLACED. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING YOURSELF THIS EVENING IS TO GRANT THE VARIANCE. IF YOU GRANT THE VARIANCE, IS IT GOING TO HINDER PUBLIC INTEREST OR CREATE A NUISANCE OR POTENTIAL HARM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED? AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE VARIANCE AND FINDS THAT GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT CONFLICT WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST, OR CREATE A NUISANCE OR POTENTIAL HARM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED, AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE AS IT'S BEEN PRESENTED. AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO GUNS AND GEAR IS IN IDAHO FALLS, RIGHT? CORRECT. IT'S IN THE CITY AND I TAKE IT THEY ARE ABIDING BY THE LESS THAN 65DB OF THE PROPERTY LINE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YES. OKAY. DID THE INSPECTION AS MENTIONED, YOU CAN REALLY ONLY HEAR IT IN THE PARKING LOT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS TESTED. THAT WASN'T MY PROJECT, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. OKAY. BUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE IT'S NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY. RIGHT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT 65DB IS LIKE. HEARING A DISHWASHER AT THE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. GOTCHA, GOTCHA. AND KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE THE PROPERTY LINE. SO AND THEN WE HAVE ALL OF THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THIS LOCATION. RIGHT. AND THE TRACKS. YEAH. SO I DID TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN I WROTE MY STAFF REPORT. I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO IMPEDE THE 65DB FROM THAT EXTRA PROPERTY TO THE RESIDENCE. YEAH. AND NO ONE ACROSS THE TRACKS IS GOING TO BE IN THEIR YARD HEARING GUNSHOTS. AND NO, ESPECIALLY NOT OVER A TRAIN. YEAH. WELL WHEN MOSTLY TRAIN. NO. BUT YEAH, ACTUALLY I, I COULD SPEAK TO THAT PERSONALLY. MY WIFE AND I'S FIRST HOME IN 1980 WAS ON NORTH LEITH, WHICH RUNS PARALLEL TO THE TRAIN TRACKS. AND JUST OVER THERE ON THAT SIDE. AND COMPARED TO THE TRAINS, THIS IS NOTHING. I MEAN, NOTHING. SO. OKAY. YEAH. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE TOO, THE 65DB AT THE PROPERTY LINE, I CAN'T MEASURE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE IN IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY LINE. BUT AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE ALL THAT EXTRA PROPERTY BETWEEN THAT AND THE RAILROAD. SO YEAH. AND I THE WIND BLOWING ALL THE TIME WILL DROWN IT OUT AS WELL. NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. NO. ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR. IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION, IS THERE TO DO SO? ALL RIGHT. THANKS. I'M CHIEF JOHNSON, CHIEF, DOWNTOWN BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M ALSO A PROUD RESIDENT OF IDAHO FALLS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. CAPTAIN MARTIN DID A GREAT JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THIS. I JUST WANTED TO ADD JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR SHOOTING RANGE ON IT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS THREE FULL BUILDINGS, BUT THE PRICE OF THAT IS SO HIGH, THE CITY BALK AT THAT. AND SO WE HAD TO COME BACK AND RE-ENGINEER IT. AND THEN AFTER THAT HAPPENED, WE FOUND THIS CONVEX BOX SOLUTION WHICH ACTS, AND THAT SAVES US A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS IN BUILDING. AND IT IS A PRETTY, PRETTY COOL SYSTEM. THEY USE THEM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WITH THESE INDOOR RANGES. SO I DID OPERATE ONE AT A PREVIOUS AGENCY I WORKED AT. IT WAS A FIVE LANE RANGE, SO IT WAS QUITE A BIT BIGGER THAN THIS ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE WERE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WERE ABOUT 25 YARDS FROM HOUSES AND THERE WAS NOTHING BETWEEN HISTORIC TRAIN TRACKS. WE WERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RESIDENTS, AND SO I WAS OUT LISTENING TO IT ALL THE TIME AND JUST PUT THEM ON TEXT. IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE POPCORN WHEN YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE SHOOTING RANGE. IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO MICROWAVE POPCORN, POPCORN, THE MICROWAVE, IT'S A IT'S A SOFT POP. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GUNSHOT. SOUNDS LIKE POP. THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT. AND THE OTHER THING I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT IS WE ARE A FULLY OPERATIONAL POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATING OUT OF THAT AREA. AND SO WE TRY TO BE REALLY GOOD NEIGHBORS, BUT WE ARE TRAINING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. ALSO, WE DO EXPLOSIVE TRAINING. WE HAVE WE HAVE DIFFERENT EXPLOSIVES GOING OFF AS WE WERE TRAINING ON HOW TO. WHAT'S THE WORD JOHN TO. THEY HAVE THE DIFFERENT CHARGES SET UP AND WE THEY WERE COUNTER CHARGING OR COUNTER CHARGING. THERE WERE THERE WERE POPS FROM [00:20:02] THAT THAT WAS MUCH LOUDER THAN WHAT YOU WILL HEAR COMING OUT OF A SHOOTING RANGE. SO OUR OUR CARS, WE TRAIN ON TRAFFIC STOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH SIREN COMES ON. THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF THINGS THAT WE DO AS A REGULAR OPERATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE MUCH LOUDER THAN WHAT THE INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE WOULD BE TO THE OUTSIDE, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL SUPPORT THE PROJECT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. LAST THING I'LL ANSWER IS, IS I DO THINK PEOPLE WILL USE IT DAILY BECAUSE WE HOPE THE WAY I TRY TO TELL FOLKS WITH THIS IS MOST PEOPLE ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH BASKETBALL AND SHOOTING FREE THROWS. AND SO IF YOU'RE SHOOTING FREE THROWS, YOU REALLY NEED TO SHOOT THEM EVERY DAY. BECAUSE IF YOU SHOT A THOUSAND FREE THROWS IN JANUARY AND THEN YOUR BIG GAME IS IN AUGUST AND YOU GO IN IN AUGUST AND THE CROWDS SCREAMING AND YOUR ADRENALINE'S GOING AND YOU TRY TO HIT THAT FREE THROW, AND YOU HAVE NOT SHOT ONE SINCE JANUARY TO AUGUST. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME HITTING THAT FREE THROW. IT'S A PHYSICAL SKILL AND PERISHABLE SKILL. AND SO WE HOPE THAT OUR OFFICERS USE THIS REGULARLY. SO BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR FIREARM, IT IS MUCH MORE STRESSFUL THAN HITTING A FREE THROW IN THE BIG GAME. SO WE DON'T WANT IT TO AMEND MONTHS SINCE THEY HAD THEIR TRAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE DO HOPE THEY DO USE IT REGULARLY, AND I ANTICIPATE WE CAN USE THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN HOPEFULLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION IN FAVOR OF. ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK NEUTRALLY ON THAT? OKAY. ANYBODY AGAINST. EXCELLENT. WE'LL MOVE ON. I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS APPLICATION PROCESS AND DELIBERATE, AND THE BOARD WILL DELIBERATE. THIS LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY BEEN NEEDED. AND IT CERTAINLY WILL SAVE THE CITY MONEY COMPARED TO HAVING TO BUILD ENOUGH BUILDINGS THROUGH THE YEARS THAT IT WILL SAVE THEM A TON. I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SUPPORT THIS RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I THINK FOR ME, THE ONE THING THAT KIND OF CLARIFIED IT ALL IS NOT ONLY THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, BUT IN PROXIMITY TO THE REST OF THE PROPERTY BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE TRACKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. FOR ME, I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I AGREE, I AGREE, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO KEEP THE OFFICERS TRAINED UP CONVENIENTLY. I'M SORRY, CAN I GET A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST AS SUBMITTED. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE APPLICATION PASSES. NOW WE NEED THE REASON. THERE YOU GO. YES. YEAH. JUST ASKING. EVERYONE ELSE IS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THIS. THE RECENT STATEMENT OF RELEVANT CRITERIA, STANDARDS AND VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE CLOSER TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE TO THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF 600FT. IS THE TITLE EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE. REASON STATEMENT. YES. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, OFFICERS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. WHEN CAN WE GET IT TO. THE BUILDING? OH, YEAH. THE FACILITY MANAGER. YEAH. AWESOME. GLAD TO SEE IT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE, GUYS. YOU CAN DO THAT. WHETHER YOU APPROVE THIS OR NOT. IT'S ALREADY BEEN. NOBODY WAS GOING TO COME TO A CLOSURE. YEAH. HOW DO YOU GET A MOTION FOR THIS WRITTEN STATEMENT? SCOTT. YEAH. I'LL PROVIDE A MOTION FOR IT. A MOTION FOR THE VARIANCE OR THE VARIANCE STATEMENT AND RELEVANT CRITERIA. I DON'T HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THOSE IN FAVOR OF PASSING THE VARIANCE TO ALLOW OR THE RECENT STATEMENT OF RELEVANT CRITERIA STANDARDS. PLEASE SAY AYE I OPPOSED. PLEASE SAY NAY. MOTION. MOTION PASSES OKAY. WE NEED A VOTE. SO THAT WAS THE VOTE. THAT WAS THAT WAS IT. YEAH. YOU WANT TO DATE IT. SO YOU. THANKS EVERYBODY FOR BEING [Business: Election of Officers] HERE. OH WE'RE NOT DONE. OH BUT THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. STILL MEAN IT. YOU'RE GOING TO TRAIN US NOW. I'M GOING TO TRY. GOOD I NEED IT, BUT FIRST WE NEED TO ELECT SOME OFFICERS. SO WITH THAT WE NEED A CHAIRMAN AND WE NEED A VICE CHAIRMAN. SO STARTING WITH THE CHAIRMAN, [00:25:07] WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME NOMINATIONS AND MAYBE VOTE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I THINK THAT NATHAN HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF STEPPING INTO THIS THIS YEAR AND CONDUCTING A MEETING ISN'T EASY AT FIRST, BUT YOU'RE MAKING IT LOOK EASY NOW. SO I I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. NATHAN, AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS OR ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? OKAY. I'M READY. GOT A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. GO AHEAD. WELL, GO AHEAD AND LET'S JUST HEAR I OR NAY. ALL RIGHT. I, I, I OKAY. AND NOW WE NEED A VICE CHAIR. IS THERE A CURRENT VICE CHAIR? THAT WOULD BE RON. I HAVEN'T HAD TO DO HARDLY A DARN THING BECAUSE NATHAN HAS DONE A GOOD JOB. BUT IT WASN'T LIKE THAT BEFORE THEN. SO I DO IT AGAIN, RON. I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. BACK ME UP. OKAY? ABSOLUTELY. WITH RON FOR VICE CHAIR, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. I. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE DO THAT EVERY YEAR. LIKE IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? OKAY. EVERY YEAR. SORRY. IT'S THE FIRST BOARD I'VE BEEN ON LIKE THIS. SO [Miscellaneous: BOA Training] FINE. IT'S NEW. IT'S ALL BEEN A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR ME. OKAY. SO I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME. I JUST THOUGHT WE'D GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICK. I KNOW AT OUR LAST MEETING AND I THINK I HAVE YOURS, WE HANDED OUT THESE BROWN FOLDERS. YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD A PEN, A NOTEBOOK, SO YOU COULD WRITE DOWN. YEAH, I LEFT MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON MY DESK SOMEWHERE. DAVID, WOULD YOU GRAB IT? ONE OF THESE. AND THEN WE ALSO. YOU DID STUCK IN HERE ALL THIS. YEAH, I GOT OLD. OH. SO WE ALSO HAVE IN THAT WE INCLUDED THE TRAINING THAT I'M GOING TO GO OVER TODAY. AND CHAPTER THREE IS WE DON'T REALLY CALL THEM BYLAWS ANYMORE, BUT BASICALLY IT'S THE BYLAWS FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. IT'S NO LONGER CALLED THE BYLAW. IT'S MORE OF JUST AN ORDINANCE. AS FAR AS HOW DO WE ESTABLISH THE BOARD, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE BOARD IS, THE DUTIES, THE ORGANIZATION TERMS OF OFFICE. REMOVAL, VACANCIES, ATTENDANCE, OPEN MEETINGS, MINUTES, NO COMPENSATION AND INDEBTEDNESS. SO AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WORD MEANS, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT IT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT AT THE MOMENT OR NOT, OR JUST READ THAT ON YOUR OWN TIME. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, IF I COULD, ABOUT YOU BETCHA. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT SPECIFIES HOW MANY MEETINGS? SO I DO MISS SO MANY MEETINGS. YOU ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE BOARD. LET'S SEE. SO WE'VE REDUCED TO FIVE MEMBERS AS A QUORUM TO THREE NOW RIGHT. OR FIVE MEMBERS. SO THREE IS A QUORUM. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU RON. AND THE PURPOSE IS YOU GUYS ARE FACT FINDERS AND YOU MAKE A DECISION. YOU'RE NOT A RECOMMENDING BODY. JUST SO YOU'RE KIND OF UNIQUE THAT WAY, BECAUSE THE PLANNING AND ZONING IS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE BOARD OR TO THE COUNCIL. YOU GUYS ARE NOT. YOU'RE YOUR DECISION MAKERS. I'M TRYING TO THINK HERE. LET'S SEE, OUR TERMS OF OFFICE ARE FIVE YEARS. AND THEN THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF MEETINGS IS ACTUALLY NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE. BUT ACCORDING TO IDAHO CODE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF NINE MEETINGS PER YEAR. LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT REALLY QUICK. ACTUALLY, THAT'S FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. THAT'S IN LUPA. SO I TAKE THAT BACK. I BELIEVE THAT'S ONLY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF NINE OKAY PER YEAR. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE. SO I THINK WE ALSO ADVERTISE ON OUR ANNUAL MEETING SCHEDULE THAT IT'S ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. SO OKAY, AS PER APPLICATION. SO FOR IDAHO MEETING LAW, WE OR IDAHO CODE WE [00:30:06] ACT UNDER WHAT'S CALLED LUPA WHICH IS TITLE 65 OR TITLE 67, CHAPTER 65. LUPA STANDS FOR LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT. SO THAT IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND YOUR STANDARDS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR VARIANCES. CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT YOU GUYS GET TO PARTICIPATE, BUT YOU DON'T GET PAID. THAT'S WHERE. SO THE LUPA IS LEGISLATION THAT WAS ACTUALLY INITIATED, I BELIEVE, IN 1976. IT HASN'T CHANGED MUCH SINCE THEN, BUT WE AS A PLANNING PLANNING STAFF AND OUR BOARDS HAVE TO ACT UNDER LUPA SO WE CAN BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN IDAHO CODE, BUT WE CAN'T BE LESS. SO THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT ARE IN IDAHO. CODE FOR VARIANCES. CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ANY OTHER LAND USE APPLICATIONS, SUBDIVISION PLATS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT TOO MUCH. ALL OF THOSE ARE AS ARE PART OF YOUR PACKET. SO YOU CAN READ THROUGH THOSE. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO GIVE ME A CALL AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH IT TOGETHER. SO AS FAR AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS TO HEAR ALL VARIANCES, ALL CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND ANY APPEALS. AND THAT MEANS WHEN I SAY APPEALS, I'M TALKING ABOUT STAFF. IF SOMEONE WERE TO APPEAL THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION, THAT WOULD COME TO YOU GUYS, CODE ENFORCEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO A ZONING CODE VIOLATION, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO APPEAL THAT VIOLATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THEM BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, THIS BOARD WOULD HEAR THAT THOSE TYPES OF APPEALS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, WHEREAS WE ONLY NEED THREE MEMBERS, WHICH WE ONLY HAVE FIVE. SO WE NEED THREE FOR A QUORUM ANYWAY. BUT AND THEN ALSO YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD THIS SITUATION COME UP. BUT YOU'RE ALSO ACTING AS THE BOARD OF APPEAL FOR THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE. SO THAT MEANS IF SOMEONE WERE TO APPEAL THE DECISION, A DECISION OR INTERPRETATION MADE BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT WOULD COME TO YOU GUYS. NICE. YEAH. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. I THINK IN MY 18 YEAR CAREER I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN ONE TIME. HOW DO WE GET TRAINED ON INTERNATIONAL STUFF? YOU DON'T DO? SO IT'S BASED ON INTERPRETATION. SO IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE TO COME TO YOU, WE OF COURSE WOULD DO A PRESENTATION. WE WOULD GO OVER THE ACTUAL CODE AND HOW THE BUILDING OFFICIAL INTERPRETED IT, HOW THE PERSON WHO'S THE APPELLANT INTERPRETED IT, AND YOU GUYS WOULD DECIDE IF IT WAS INTERPRETED CORRECTLY BASED ON THE PRESENTATION THAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY COME UP WITH OR THE PANELIST. SO AND I HAVE TO SAY, WE'VE GOT SOME. WE'VE GOT. YEAH. YEAH. SO. SO THOSE ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE FAIRLY UP TO SPEED ON WHAT A VARIANCE IS AND WHAT YOUR DECISIONS SHOULD BE BASED ON. RIGHT. SO OUR UNDER OUR CODE FOR VARIANCES, IT IS ALMOST WORD FOR WORD WHAT IDAHO CODE IS. SAME WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. YOU GUYS AGAIN ARE THE DECISION MAKER ON CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. MOST OF THE TIME THIS STUFF IS JUST A TECHNICALITY. BUT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN WHERE IT'S NOT JUST A TECHNICALITY. YOU GUYS ARE A VERY SPECIAL BOARD BECAUSE YOU NOT ONLY GET TO, WELL, YOU ARE DETERMINING WHAT OTHER IMPACTS OUTSIDE OF OUR CODE TO WOULD BE CREATED BASED ON THESE VARIANCES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. AND YOU GET TO APPLY THINGS BASED ON WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED. THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE CODE. IT'S THAT GRAY AREA. RIGHT. SO COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR DOING THAT. I MEAN, PLANNING AND ZONING DOESN'T EVEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES LIKE THAT. SO A LOT OF MOST OF THE TIME, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A TECHNICALITY. BUT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IT GET VERY CONTROVERSIAL. SO AND I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB. BUT AGAIN GETTING OFF TRACK HERE A LITTLE BIT. BUT AGAIN, IN THAT PAPERWORK THAT WE GAVE YOU, IT BASICALLY JUST GOES OVER WHAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER AND WHAT YOU SHOULDN'T CONSIDER. WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THEY'RE NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER [00:35:04] PERSON AND THEY'RE NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PROPERTY. LET'S SEE. SO WE ALSO HAVE THE SIGN CODE. AND WITH THE SIGN CODE WE DO VARIANCES. AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE VARIANCES THAT YOU SEE FROM THE ZONING CODE. BUT THOSE ARE ALSO VARIANCES THAT YOU GUYS WILL SEE. AND AGAIN THOSE DON'T COME UP THAT OFTEN EITHER. I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WE'VE DONE TWO WITH THIS BOARD. I WANT TO SAY. AND AGAIN WHEN THOSE COME UP, WE PROVIDE YOU WITH THE PART OF THE CODE THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS REALLY QUICKLY. WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A QUASI JUDICIAL AND LEGISLATIVE. YOU GUYS DON'T SEE LEGISLATIVE ACTION APPLICATIONS. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A LEGISLATIVE DECISION. A LEGISLATIVE DECISION MEANS THAT IT IS GOING TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYONE IN THE CITY. WE'RE DOING A ZONE CHANGE. WE'RE CHANGING THE ENTIRE CODE. IT'S GOING TO AFFECT 200 PEOPLE OR MORE, A LEGISLATIVE ACTION. YOU GUYS DEAL WITH WHAT'S CALLED A QUASI JUDICIAL APPLICATION. THAT MEANS IT'S SITE SPECIFIC. WITH THOSE APPLICATIONS COMES A LITTLE EXTRA A CAVEAT BASICALLY, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED EX PARTE COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OTHER, WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, WITH THE APPLICANT OR WITH THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN SPEAK TO STAFF INDIVIDUALLY, OR LEGAL COUNSEL INDIVIDUALLY, BUT YOU CAN'T. EX PARTE IS EVEN INCLUDED WITH REPLY. ALL EMAILS BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE YOU'RE WELL, I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF ANYWAY. AND ALSO DON'T GO TO THE SITE UNLESS YOU'RE JUST. GOING BY BY HAPPEN CHANCE HAPPENSTANCE, WHATEVER. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET STOPPED BY SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC OR FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WANTS TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND SHOW YOU THIS AND SHOW YOU THAT. SO BEFORE, BEFORE MEETING OR AFTER. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL ACTS AS THE APPEAL BOARD TO YOU GUYS, AND SO YOU YOU SHOULDN'T TALK TO THEM ABOUT ANY APPLICATIONS THAT ARE BEING HEARD HERE UNTIL IT'S EVEN BEEN THROUGH COURT OR THEIR APPEAL TIME HAS EXPIRED. AS A GROUP, WE CAN'T TALK TO STAFF. NO, I MEAN, NO, NOT AS A GROUP, NOT AS A QUORUM. UNLESS WE'RE IN A PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY. YEAH. LET'S SEE. WHAT AM I FORGETTING HERE? SO QUORUM AGAIN. THAT'S HALF PLUS ONE OF YOUR APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FIVE. UNFORTUNATELY, TREVOR HAS NOT SUBMITTED A LETTER OF RESIGNATION, AND HE HASN'T OFFICIALLY BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BOARD BECAUSE YOU CAN READ IT BECAME ONE TIME. YES. OKAY. SO HALF OF FIVE PLUS ONE IS THREE. SO AS LONG AS THREE PEOPLE SHOW UP, WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE CAN ACT ON AND MAKE DECISIONS, NOT WE. YOU GUYS CAN MAKE DECISIONS IF THERE'S WE CAN COME IN BY PHONE. YOU CAN WE IF NEEDED IF NEEDED. WE TRY REALLY HARD NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GET INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT IT'S SUPER HARD TO HEAR YOU. SO WE ARE REQUIRED BY IDAHO CODE TO HAVE A TRANSCRIBABLE RECORD. WELL, WE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTIONISTS, SO THAT TRANSCRIBABLE RECORD GOES TO A CERTIFIED TRANSCRIPTIONIST, BUT POOR ANNE ALSO DOES OUR MINUTES, AND IT'S SUPER HARD FOR HER TO HEAR WHEN SHE'S DOING THE MINUTES. WHEN YOU'RE ON THE PHONE AND IT'S HARD FOR YOU GUYS TO HEAR AS WELL. IF I, IF I REMEMBER. SO THAT GETS INTO MY NEXT SUBJECT. SO GOOD JOB. THAT IS THE RECORD. SO. I'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THE TRANSCRIBABLE RECORD, BUT I KNOW IN ANNE CAN ATTEST TO THIS. SHE DOES HER MINUTES AS MUCH AS SHE POSSIBLY CAN HERE IN THE MEETING, BUT SHE DOESN'T CATCH EVERYTHING, [00:40:01] OBVIOUSLY. SO SHE GOES BACK AND SHE WATCHES THE LIVE STREAM ON OUR WEBSITE. AND I'M NOT KIDDING YOU IF YOU DO NOT TALK INTO THIS MIC, SHE CANNOT HEAR YOU. IF I TURN MY HEAD, SHE CANNOT HEAR ME. SO ONE THING THAT I WOULD REALLY WELL NOT ME POOR ANNE WOULD APPRECIATE, IS THAT YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. ALSO, JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, THIS ISN'T. THIS IS JUST A PREFERENCE FOR ME BEING YOUR LIAISON. I WOULD ADVISE YOU. AND THIS IS TOTALLY UP TO THE CHAIRMAN BECAUSE HE RUNS THE MEETINGS. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK OR LET HIM CALL UPON YOU USING YOUR NAME SO THAT IF THIS EVER DOES, SOMETHING EVER DOES. GO TO A CERTIFIED TRANSCRIPTIONIST. THAT PERSON ISN'T TRYING TO GUESS WHO'S SPEAKING. OKAY? PLUS, IT ALSO JUST KIND OF HELPS KEEP ORDER. THE ONLY TIME YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL ON SOMEONE TO SPEAK IS DURING DELIBERATION. OKAY, YOU CAN DO THAT FREELY WITHOUT SPEAKING, YOU KNOW? SO YOU QUESTIONS. THAT NEED TO GO OUT TO THE APPLICANT. IT'S NOT THE IT'S NOT MYSELF THAT I NEED TO CALL FOR THAT. YEP. CALLING THEM BY THEIR NAME OR HAVE THEM AND STATE THEIR NAME BEFORE THEY START SPEAKING. OKAY. USUALLY THE CHAIRMAN WILL FIRST AND LAST NAME. NO, JUST FIRST NAME IS FINE. AM I MISSING ANYTHING? YOU GUYS? WELL, ONE, IT'S NOT ONLY HARD FOR ME TO HEAR THIS IS RECORDED LIVE, SO IF ANYONE'S WATCHING, THEY CAN'T HEAR IF YOU DON'T SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONE. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, GOOD POINT. WHAT ELSE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE I, I YEAH. WHEN I FIRST STARTED DOING MINUTES I DIDN'T KNOW EVERYONE. AND SO IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO KNOW WHO WAS SPEAKING. WHEN I WENT BACK AND LISTENED TO IT. SO. AND WITH THAT, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD. SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THEM NOW. OR IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, FEEL FREE TO CALL ME, EMAIL ME WHATEVER. ■OR IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS AGAIN, I WANT TO DO A FEW MORE TRAININGS, BUT I'M GOING TO. PROBABLY WHAT I'LL DO IS WE'LL SCHEDULE SOME TIME TO WATCH SOME VIDEOS THAT THE APA HAS PUT OUT WITH THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, AND THOSE ARE USUALLY, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU OPERATE A MEETING, WHO SHOULD SPEAK WHEN THEY'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE QUASI JUDICIAL STUFF, WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ANYWAY. SO WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THAT AS WELL. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE. THE FIRST ONE IS WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF, ALL OF YOU, AND HOW KIND AND HELPFUL YOU ARE. AND WE'RE VERY DEPENDENT UPON YOU TO HELP US KEEP ON ON TASK AND ON THE RIGHT POINTS AND NOT GET OFF ON TANGENTS. SO YOU DO A GREAT JOB. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. AND ADDITIONALLY, IT'S TOO BAD THAT THE LEGAL COUNSEL IS NOT HERE TONIGHT SO THAT WE COULD THANK THEM BECAUSE WE'RE VERY DEPENDENT UPON THAT REPRESENTATIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE SOME TRICKY THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON. WE'VE HAD A FEW OF THOSE THIS YEAR, SO UNCOOPERATIVE PEOPLE AND NOT DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. AND SO ANYWAY, WE I'LL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN ALSO, LIKE I SAID, WE WANTED YOU GUYS TO HAVE THESE. AND SCOTT, I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND YOURS. SO YOU CAN WRITE QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER WHAT YOUR QUESTIONS ARE BY THE TIME AN APPLICANT IS DONE PRESENTING OR REBUTTALS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO WRITE QUESTIONS DOWN SO THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS THEM DURING REBUTTAL, BUT ALSO IF THERE'S ANY SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO PRINT FOR YOU SO THAT YOU'VE GOT IT ON HAND DURING THE MEETING, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL. IN FACT, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT, I CAN MAKE SURE I HAVE THOSE THINGS READY FOR YOU BY THE NEXT MEETING. MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE PART OF YOUR STAFF. REPORT, BUT IT ALSO CAN SOMETIMES BE KIND OF VAGUE IF THERE'S SOMETHING BESIDES WHAT I'VE INCLUDED. I THOUGHT YOU DID A [00:45:02] GOOD JOB ON THIS ONE. SUMMARIZING THE PARTS OF THE CODE THAT YOU KNOW THAT WERE CHECKED. YEAH, OR I THOUGHT IT WORKED. WELL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO, YEAH. ANYTHING YOU GUYS NEED? WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU. YEAH, AND I WOULD. I WOULD MUCH RATHER. I WISH THE PUBLIC WOULD CALL BEFORE MEETINGS AND ASK QUESTIONS, BUT THEY DON'T. SO BECAUSE A LOT OF I MEAN THEY GET A LOT OF THEY'D PROBABLY GET BETTER INFORMATION IF THEY CALLED IN ADVANCE THAN JUST SHOWING UP TO A PUBLIC HEARING TO GET ANSWERS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO ANYWAY, ANYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS OR THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. CLOSE THE MEETING. YEP. WE CAN ADJOURN. THE MOTION. NO. MEETING * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.