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OKAY. WE ARE LIVE AND READY TO GO. APOLOGIES EVERYONE FOR STARTING A LITTLE BIT LATE. I WALKED IN THE DOOR ABOUT A MINUTE BEHIND AND THEN I PROCEEDED TO LOOK AROUND THE ROOM AND SAW THAT I COULD GET AWAY WITH BEING A LITTLE LATE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE JUST VISITING. AND THEN I SAW THAT YOU WERE WAITING FOR DIRECTOR, AND SO I JUST PUSHED IT. ANYWAY, HERE WE ARE. WELCOME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING. WE ARE. I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. BUT AS I DO, YOU'LL NOTICE A DIFFERENCE. A NEW VOICE CALLING THE ROLL. SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE THAT VOICE. OUR NEW CITY CLERK, EMILY GEISLER, WAS APPOINTED LAST THURSDAY NIGHT. AS YOU ALL KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU VOTED TO CONFIRM THAT APPOINTMENT. AND EMILY IS NOW ENTERING A PERIOD OF DRINKING FROM THE FIRE HOSE, MAYBE DRINKING FROM TWO FIRE HOSES. STAGE OF TRAINING. AND SO HER VOICE MAY SOUND CALM NOW, BUT GIVE HER A FEW HOURS AND SHE'LL BE WONDERING WHAT SHE GOT HERSELF INTO. SO, CITY CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURTENSHAW HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD, PRESENT COUNCILOR. DINGMAN HERE.
COUNCILOR. FREEMAN, PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR. FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR. LARSON HERE. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. EVERYBODY NOTICED THE DISEMBODIED VOICE OF COUNCILOR FREEMAN. HE'S FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER AND IS AT HOME. HE OPTED FOR A VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION.
JIM, WE'RE SORRY THAT YOU'RE NOT HERE WITH US PHYSICALLY, BUT WE HOPE THAT YOU ARE FEELING BETTER PHYSICALLY OR THAT YOU WILL BE SOON. WELL, I'M IMPROVING, MAYOR. THANK YOU. GOOD. GOOD.
ALL RIGHT. YOU'LL NOTE, EVERYBODY, THAT WE HAVE A RATHER SHORT AGENDA TODAY. WE HAVE JUST ONE ITEM COMING TO US FROM A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS AFTER THAT, THEN IT'S COUNCIL AND MAYOR DISCUSSION TIME. AND THEN FROM THERE WE WILL MOVE TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WE'LL
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GO INTO MORE AS WE GET TO THAT POINT ON THE AGENDA. AND SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND INVITE OUR MUNICIPAL SERVICES DIRECTOR, PAM ALEXANDER, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR PJ HOLM, AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO COME FORWARD. AND, PAM, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE HAVE JOIN YOU AT THIS TIME. YES, I WOULD THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR. AND IF I COULD HAVE NICK TERRY COME UP. HE IS FROM TOKAY. HE IS THE BROKER ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TODAY. SO I AFFECTIONATELY AND THEN YOU GUYS WILL SHARE THAT MICROPHONE.RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, THE MICROPHONE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING, SO I MIGHT HAVE TO USE MY BIG MY BIG VOICE, BUT HEY NOW IT'S WORKING. TURN IT ON AND OFF A COUPLE TIMES NOW. SO I AFFECTIONATELY CALL THIS MY GROUNDHOG DAY PROPERTY. BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY THE THIRD PRESENTATION YOU'VE SEEN ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. YOU'LL RECOGNIZE IT ONCE I GET TO THE SECOND SLIDE. BUT MY POINT IS, IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO TODAY IS WE WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PROPERTY. WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND THEN ALSO GETTING SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING, WHAT WE CAN DO TO NEGOTIATE, HOPEFULLY A CRESCENDO OF RESOLUTION TO THIS PROPERTY. IT IS CITY PROPERTY. AND IF I COULD HAVE THE CITY CLERK MOVE TO MY PRESENTATION, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. SO. HERE WE GO. HOPEFULLY. GLAD TO SEE.
ALL RIGHT. YOU GOT IT. JUST JUST OVER HERE. GOING. ALL RIGHT. DOES THIS LOOK FAMILIAR? THESE ARE FOR FOUR PARCELS. THESE ARE PARCELS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PINECREST GOLF COURSE. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR. MY COLLEAGUE HERE FROM PARKS AND RECREATION ALONG WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROPERTY. AS I SAID EARLIER, I AFFECTIONATELY CALL IT MY GROUNDHOG DAY PROPERTY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON IT THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CITY INFRASTRUCTURES ON HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS IS SO HARD TO READ, BUT THAT'S THE COLOR. IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT HAS HAS HAD CITY INFRASTRUCTURE ON IT FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY LET'S SEE HERE. SO IT WAS ACTUALLY DONATED. THE FOUR PARCELS WERE DONATED BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2016. AND THE APPRAISAL VALUE AT THE TIME THAT WAS DONATED WAS $610,000. WE DISCUSSED THE PROPERTY BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2022 AND ON HERE IS JUST A MORE RECENT PICTURE OF IT. AT THE TIME, BACK IN MARCH, SHORTLY AFTER WE RECEIVED THE DONATION, WE ACTUALLY GOT AN APPRAISAL ON IT AND THE LAND VALUE AS IS AT THAT TIME, BACK IN MARCH OF 2022, WAS ALMOST 1.9 MILLION. WE SCHEDULED A PUBLIC AUCTION. THAT AUCTION WAS IN JUNE. JUNE 17TH
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OF 2022. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BIDDERS. FOLLOWING THAT PUBLIC AUCTION, THAT'S REQUIRED PER STATE STATUTE, WE ACTUALLY HAD A WE HAD TO APPROACH US, ASKING US IF THEY WANTED TO ENTER INTO AN EXCLUSIVE SALES LISTING AGREEMENT. IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, SO IT MAKES SENSE TO WORK WITH A LOCAL COMMERCIAL BROKER IN TOWN. AND THAT AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BACK IN AUGUST OF 2022. AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY. I JUST LOST MY MIC, SO I'LL HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT LOUDER. WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY DILIGENTLY ON TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES, BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE DID HAVE A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022 FOR $2 MILLION CASH. THERE WAS ACTUALLY A VENDOR THAT HAD WANTED TO BUILD ON THAT, AND WE WENT AHEAD AND ACCEPTED THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SALE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE ENTERED INTO THE SALE PROCESS AND THE INTO THE ACTUAL REVIEWING DOCUMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THE TITLE COMPANY ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED ALL CARRIES. THESE ARE ACTUALLY LIMITATIONS ON THE PROPERTY FROM THE 1950S. IT'S JUST ON THIS PARTICULAR, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE. AND SO WHAT WE FOUND THAT THESE RESTRICTIONS AND THESE MATTERS.AND WHEN YOU SAY THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, YOU'RE SAYING TO THE TO THE EAST OF THE ROAD. YES. SO THIS IS THIS PROPERTY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE, THE FOR THE 8.8.9 ACRES THAT WE HAVE HERE, EVERYTHING IN RED, THAT PIECE ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL. OKAY. SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING ONE PIECE OF THIS HAD A, YOU KNOW, LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN. LET'S HOPE WE TRY TO GET. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, WHERE WAS I AT HERE. SO WE ACTUALLY AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAD A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR ALL OF THE PARCELS LISTED HERE. AND AS WE WERE DOING THE PAPERWORK, WE WERE REQUIRED TO SELL THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE WERE AUTHORIZED TO DO FOR 2.2 MILLION CASH. WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WERE RESTRICTIONS. THERE WERE OLD CARS ON THIS AND THIS ACTUAL SUBDIVISION. NOT JUST ONE PARCEL, JUST THIS ENTIRE SUBDIVISION THAT'S HERE. AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PICTURE ON ONE SECTION, AND THEN ANOTHER PICTURE ON ANOTHER SECTION. SO WHAT I WANT TO GO BACK HERE IS SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THEN. SO THAT PARTICULAR SALE FELL OUT OF ESCROW. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SATISFY THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY. TIMELY ENOUGH FOR THE INTERESTED BUYER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SALE. SO IN THE MEANTIME, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH NICK OVER AT TOCK. NICK TERRY ON TRYING TO RESOLVE THESE THESE RESTRICTIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, NICK, WAS THAT IT THESE RESTRICTIONS PARTICULARLY PROHIBIT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A SINGLE STORY. IT'S ZONED PROPERLY, BUT THERE IS SOME RESTRICTIONS. AND AS I SAID BEFORE, FROM 1950 THAT TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE A SINGLE STORY. SO TECHNICALLY IT'S SINGLE LEVEL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE PER THE ORIGINAL CARS OF THE 1950 DEVELOPMENT. SO, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS I'VE MENTIONED EARLIER WE HAD AN OLD APPRAISAL ON THIS PROPERTY. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THE PROPERTY POSTED FOR SALE FOLLOWING THE, THE NO SALE ON THE OTHER OFFER. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED A APPRAISAL. WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. OKAY. WE ACTUALLY HAD A NEW APPRAISAL. IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE GET A REFRESHED APPRAISAL, BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE FINDING WAS THAT THE INDUSTRY WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT WAS BACK IN 2021, 22, 2022.
AND SO WE WENT AHEAD AND DID THAT. WE HAVE AN UPDATED APPRAISAL AS OF NOVEMBER OF 2024, AND THE VALUE LAND VALUE, AS IS, JUST AS YOU'RE SEEING HERE, IS 1.6 MILLION. SO IT HAS GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS VALUE GOES. BUT AGAIN, WE BELIEVE BASED ON THE INDUSTRY AND YOU CAN ASK NICK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE IS THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE. AND SO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO GET THOSE LAND USE RESTRICTIONS TAKEN CARE OF. WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEYS AS WELL AS A SPECIALIZED CITY ATTORNEY, A LOCAL SPECIALIZED CITY ATTORNEY.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE. SPECIAL SPECIALIZED REAL ESTATE REAL ESTATE PURCHASE. CAN I GO BACK? I WANT TO GO BACK. ONE SLIDE BACK. THERE WE GO. OH, AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE'RE WORKING WITH IS THIS GROUP RIGHT HERE. UP HERE AND WITH BUILDERS FIRST SOURCE. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AND THEIR ATTORNEYS TO. SORRY. IT'S STILL WRONG LOCATION. SO MOVE IT OVER. WELL WE GOT TO MOVE IT OVER HERE. SORRY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUMPING AROUND HERE ON THE MAP.
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SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY RIGHT OVER HERE. RIGHT OVER THERE. SORRY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ONCE I MOVE THE PICTURE OVER, THAT DID MOVE OVER. BUT ANYWAY, SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WORKING WITH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH WITH A VARIETY OF ATTORNEY LEGAL PARTIES AND TO TRY TO CLEAR UP THOSE RESTRICTIONS. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THIS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF INTERESTED PARTIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. ONCE WE RESOLVE THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ON THAT PROPERTY, AND I'M GOING TO SEE IF OUR CITY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING THAT PERHAPS I DIDN'T DO PROPERLY OR ALSO, NO. SO WHAT THE WHAT THE BUILDERS FIRSTSOURCE HAS OFFERED, AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF I COULD DROP FOR A SECOND. LET ME SHOW YOU. LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT, SO THE PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S HAS THE RESTRICTION IS THIS. UNDEVELOPED PARCEL HERE NORTH OF WADE STREET AND THEN BORDERED HERE BY THE SIDE OF BUILDERS BIRTHS OPERATION THERE.THAT'S THAT IS THE PROPERTY THAT BUILDERS FIRST OWNS. SO IT ISN'T THIS OPERATION THAT WE NEED TO RELEASE ON THE CONDITIONS WITH ACTUALLY THIS UNDEVELOPED PARCEL HERE AND THE WHAT BUILDERS FIRST HAS OFFERED TO DO IS THAT THEY WOULD AGREE TO AMEND THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE SITE THAT WOULD PREVENT THE LANDOWNER, CURRENTLY THE CITY. BUT THIS COULD ALSO BE TRUE FOR ANYONE WHO BOUGHT IT FROM THE CITY. IT WOULD RELEASE THE CONDITION THAT ONLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE ONE LEVEL TO BE BUILT ON THAT SUBDIVISION IN EXCHANGE FOR A NEW CONDITION THAT WOULD PREVENT ANYONE WHO BOUGHT THESE PARCELS OUTLINED IN RED, FROM COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LUMBER MILL OPERATION THAT THEY'RE RUNNING CURRENTLY, SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BRING WHAT'S CALLED A NUISANCE LAWSUIT. THAT BECAUSE THE IDEA OF BEING THAT NUISANCE IS A CIVIL TORT WHERE ONE PROPERTY OWNER CAN BRING A CLAIM AGAINST ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS USING THEIR PROPERTY HAS SOME KIND OF SECONDARY EFFECT THAT DAMAGES THE USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THAT OTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT. THEY'VE ASKED FOR A FEW THINGS. WE'VE ASKED FOR A FEW THINGS. WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT IF IT IF IT'S, IT MAY BE THE SORT OF EXCHANGE THAT WOULD WORK. IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN. WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ITS APPROVAL. ONLY THE COUNCIL CAN AGREE TO CHANGE THE CONDITIONS ON, OR THE RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONS AND COVENANTS ON THIS PROPERTY. SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH EVERYONE WHO'S INTERESTED ON IT. SO WE MAY HAVE A SOLUTION THAT COMES BACK ON A COUNCIL AGENDA. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. I'LL PUT TO GO TO THE FIRST. YOU COULD GO FIRST, MAYOR, BUT OKAY. BOTH GENTLEMEN. SO LET ME JUST ASK A COUPLE REAL QUICK. ONE IS THAT I HAD BEEN TAUGHT LONG AGO THAT THERE WAS A PRINCIPLE IN LAW CALLED COMING TO THE NUISANCE. RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT ANYONE WHO BUILT THEIR PROPERTY NEXT TO AN EXISTING USE WOULD, WAS BASICALLY CONSIDERED TO HAVE DONE THAT KNOWINGLY, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE GROUNDS THEN FOR A SUIT HAS IS THAT CLEARLY BUILDERS FIRST SOURCE DOESN'T TRUST THAT? IS IT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A WATERED DOWN PRINCIPLE? WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN WATERED DOWN, BUT IT'S ONE THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVE OUT IN COURT VERSUS HAVING A PIECE OF PAPER THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THE TRUTH. SO IT IT MIGHT BE I KIND OF USED THE PHRASE BELT SUSPENDERS TOO OFTEN, BUT THIS WOULD BE A BELT AND SUSPENDERS APPROACH SO THAT BUILDERS FIRSTSOURCE WOULD HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT NO ONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR OPERATIONS IN THE FUTURE. I THINK THAT'S TRUE. EVEN IF THE CONDITION DIDN'T GET REMOVED. IF WE SOLD THIS AND THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT AFTER THE CITY HAD IT BUILT A BUNCH OF NICE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT'S PERFECTLY IN LINE WITH THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS. AND THEN THOSE FOLKS GOT TOGETHER TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LUMBER MILL. I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD COME TO ME FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAME TO THE NUISANCE. YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD CLAIM HERE, BUT I THINK THE FIRST CHOICE IS JUST LOOKING FOR EVERY ASSURANCE THAT YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THE SECOND QUESTION, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU TO SORT OF PULL BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM THIS PARTICULAR SOLUTION THAT
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WE'RE TRYING TO CRAFT AND JUST EXPLAIN THE WHERE THE WHAT PARCELS ARE ALL OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS AND WHAT OUR CHOICES ARE. ONE WOULD BE TO CHANGE THEM. ANOTHER WOULD BE WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THEM OR WE'RE TRYING TO WAIVE THEM. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WHAT KIND OF NEGOTIATION WE'RE IN WITH BUILDERS FIRST SUPPLY SOURCE. SURE. SO THE AND I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT HARD TIME VISUALIZING THIS. BUT I THINK THAT ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE RESTRICTED BY THESE COVENANTS OF AND CONDITIONS, IF YOU COULD IMAGINE STARTING HERE ALONG THIS RED LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF WADE STREET TO THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE, AND IF YOU CAN IMAGINE COMING SOUTH AND THEN COMING BACK OVER AGAIN, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY IT. IT MAY ALSO INCLUDE THESE HOMES HERE, BUT I CAN'T I CAN'T RECALL PERFECTLY. SO IT'S EITHER TO HERE OR HERE.THESE ARE THE LOTS. SO THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ENVISIONED LONG AGO, NOT ONE THAT WAS TRULY BUILT OUT IN A ROBUST SENSE, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A HANDFUL OF HOMES. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD GOING SOUTH. THE OKAY, AND MAYBE NICK, YOU CAN REMEMBER MY RECOLLECTION ON THIS SUBDIVISION IS THAT IT'S THIS IS LIKE DIVISION NUMBER. I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD PHASE. YEAH. THIS IS THIS IS THE THIRD PHASE. BUT PHASES ONE AND TWO, WHICH GO FARTHER SOUTH. OKAY. DO NOT ARE NOT PARTIES TO THE RESTRICTIONS AND COVENANTS. SO IT'S ONLY THIS THIRD DIVISION AND IT'S ONLY THESE THESE LOTS HERE TO AMEND THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY. WE NEED TO HAVE TWO THIRDS OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE BOUND BY THE COVENANTS TO AGREE TO AMEND THEM. THE CITY OWNS THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY MAJORITY OF THE LOTS THAT ARE UNDER THE RESTRICTION. AND IF WE INCLUDE AND I AND I WISH I COULD REMEMBER, BUT THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW, 6 OR 7 LOTS HERE THAT BUILDERS FIRSTSOURCE OWNS WITH BUILDERS FIRST SOURCES LOTS THE CITY AND BUILDERS FIRSTSOURCE ON THEIR OWN CONSTITUTES OVER TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BOUND BY THE RESTRICTION. SO THOSE TWO PARTIES ON THEIR OWN CAN AGREE TO AMEND THE RESTRICTIONS AND COVENANTS WITHOUT INVOLVING THE NEIGHBORS HERE TO DO IT WITHOUT BUILDERS SOURCE, WE NEED TO GO AND NEGOTIATE WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER, WHICH MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO DO TO GET. IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO GET TWO PEOPLE TO COME TO ONE MIND. WHEN YOU HAVE A HALF A DOZEN FOLKS, IT'S A LOT OF COOKS IN THE KITCHEN. SO THAT IS WHY THE CITY'S APPROACHED BUILDERS FIRST SOURCE AND ATTEMPTED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM. AND IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT. IS THE ACTION THAT WE'RE DOING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING. AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESTRICTIONS AND COVENANTS ON THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD RELEASE THE RESTRICTION ON TO BE LIMITED TO ONE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN EXCHANGE FOR A NEW CONDITION, WHICH WOULD BE THAT THE PROPERTIES COULD NOT BRING A NUISANCE SUIT AGAINST THE EXISTING LUMBER YARD ACTIVITIES. THANK YOU FOR HELPING MAKE THAT CRYSTAL CLEAR. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GO TO LARSON AND THEN FRANCIS. FRANCIS AND THEN LARSON. WELL, I THINK YES, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, WHICH I WONDERED WHERE THE BEGINNING OF THE COVENANT CAME FROM, BUT I GOT THAT ANSWER. NOW, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ASK IS, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO BUILD SOME KIND OF FENCE IF THEY EXPAND INTO THAT PROPERTY? OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE COULD SOME KIND OF FENCE? WHAT IS IT THAT. WELL, I'M TRYING TO BUILD SOME KIND OF IF THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF LUMBER OPERATION THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE UPSET ABOUT. SO THIS NEGOTIATION WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO ANYTHING. AND I THINK THERE MAY BE AN EXISTING FENCE HERE ON THE SOUTHERN LINE RIGHT THERE. SO THIS IS A KIND OF AN OPEN LOT. AND THEN RIGHT UP AGAINST WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, THERE IS A FENCE. THERE ALREADY IS ONE, THERE IS ALREADY. BUT AS FAR AS BUFFERS AND TRANSITION ZONE KINDS OF TREATMENTS THAT THAT WE SOMETIMES ENCOUNTER WITH. GOING THROUGH THE SORRY, THE PLANNING AND THE ALL THAT PROCESS, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE THEN. YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY THAT NONE OF THIS DISCUSSION MODIFIES THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE AND RULES WITH SUBDIVIDING AND DEVELOPING PROPERTY. SO IF A BARRIER, FOR EXAMPLE, IF BUILDERS FIRSTSOURCE DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THEIR OPERATION TO THE SOUTH, THEY
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WOULD NEED TO COME IN AND GET A PERMIT TO DEVELOP THOSE LOTS INTO AN INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL USE. THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONFORM TO THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING CODE, WHICH INCLUDES SOME BUFFERING BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL USES. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO EXPAND THEIR PROPERTY. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THEIR PROPERTY APART FROM THEIR REQUEST THAT IF WE AMEND THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ASSURED THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS A LUMBER YARD UNTIL THEY DISCONTINUE THAT USE. AND BASED ON THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS, THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL THAT AN EXISTING FUNCTION OF A BUILDING, PEOPLE WHO DEVELOP AROUND IT ALREADY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, AND IMPLIED CONSENT AT LEAST. YEAH, THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU BUILD A REALLY NICE, OH, I DON'T KNOW, A REALLY NICE SUBDIVISION RIGHT NEXT TO A CITY'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, LET'S SAY 50 YEARS THAT YOU COULDN'T COMPLAIN THAT THE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU CATCH A WHIFF OF SOMETHING COMING FROM THE SEWER PLANT BECAUSE YOU BUILT A NICE HOUSE NEXT TO THE RIVER. I DON'T KNOW, JUST SPEAKING HYPOTHETICALLY. NO, I'M WELL AWARE OF THE SITUATION. SPECIFIC? YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY, OKAY. SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS THERE'S A LAW THAT THE MAYOR SPOKE OF, WHICH REALLY APPLIES. BUT IF THEY HAVE A SIGNED DOCUMENT THAT SAYS THIS, IT REALLY KEEPS IT FROM EVER HAVING TO GO TO A COURT AND SAVES THEM TIME AND MONEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO THEN THEY HAVE TWO PIECES OF PAPER ESSENTIALLY THAT SAY THE SAME THING, BUT ONE KEEPS IT FROM GOING TO A JUDGE. WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT THE LAW OF NUISANCE IS NOT ON A PIECE OF PAPER. IT'S A COMMON LAW ACTION. IT'S A COMMON LAW PRINCIPLE THAT HAS EXISTED SINCE THE ANCIENT ENGLISH JUDGES DISCOVERED ENGLISH COMMON LAW.AND SO THAT THAT IS PROBABLY WHY THEY WANT THE ADDITIONAL ASSURANCE AND THE REAL COVENANTS. ONE IS A TRADITION THAT'S BEEN LAID OUT THROUGH THE COMMON LAW EVOLUTION, WHICH IS WHY OCCASIONALLY PEOPLE WILL BRING A NUISANCE SUIT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS A PREEXISTING USE. AND THOSE ARE WHY THOSE CAN BECOME LITIGIOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S OPEN QUESTIONS AND EXCEPTIONS AND A CASE THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THAT RELATED. AND THAT GOES AGAINST THE, THE USUAL RULE. AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE GROUNDED IN THE LAW OF PROPERTY AND CONTRACTS, WHICH IS A MUCH EASIER TO PREDICT. IT'S MUCH EASIER TO PICK THE RESULT FROM A REAL COVENANT THAN IT IS TO GUESS WHAT A JURY MIGHT DECIDE, AS IT'S REVIEWING YOUR COMMON LAW CAUSE OF ACTION. OKAY, CAN I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION? JUST THERE PROBABLY ISN'T AN ANSWER TO THIS, BUT THE CONCEPT OF WE WERE DOING THIS WHEN YOU GOT HERE. YES. SO YOU CAN'T STICK US IN THE EYE FOR KEEPING YOU DOING IT. BUT THEN THEY CHANGE THE WAY THEY DO IT AND IT'S A LITTLE NOISIER OR IT PUTS OUT A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. OR THE VOLUME THAT'S GOING THROUGH INCREASES DOES THIS DOES EITHER THE OLD COMMON LAW OR THIS AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE PUT IN PLACE TO SOMEWHAT COVER THAT EVENTUALITY? IT WOULD. IN FACT, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY WANT THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, BECAUSE IN THAT COMING TO THE NUISANCE EXCEPTION TO THE NUISANCE LAW, THE CASES THAT ARE DISTINGUISHED FROM THAT REGULAR RULE ARE CASES IN WHICH THE USE BECAME MORE INTENSE OR IT WAS EXPANDED OR WAS OTHERWISE DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS WHEN THE PERSON MOVED TO THE PROPERTY. BUT IN THE IN THE RULE OF REAL COVENANTS, THE COURTS AND EXPECT THAT REASONABLE EXPANSION MIGHT HAPPEN AND REASONABLE INTENSIFICATION OF USE MIGHT OCCUR. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT AND IT'S ONLY THAT RUNS THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY TO SERVE PROPERTY THAT'S FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD, IF THERE'S ONLY ONE HOUSE THERE, AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO SPLIT THEIR PROPERTY IN HALF AND LET SOMEONE ELSE BUILD A HOUSE, TYPICALLY COURTS WILL SAY, WELL, THAT'S THE SORT OF THING THAT MIGHT BE EXPECTED TO HAPPEN. SO NOW THAT THERE'S TWO CARDS USING YOUR ROAD WHERE THERE WAS ONLY ONE BEFORE, THAT SORT OF GRADUAL INCREASE IN USE IS EXPECTED. AND IS IT THE SORT OF THING THAT YOU CAN COMPLAIN
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ABOUT? SO I THAT'S PROBABLY WHY BUILDERS FIRSTSOURCE IS LOOKING FOR THIS ADDITIONAL CONDITION, IS THAT IT JUST PROVIDES THEM ASSURANCES THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS. IF THEY MADE IT MORE INTENSE. IF EVEN IF IT WERE TO OVERCOME THE IDEA THAT YOU CAME TO THE NUISANCE, THE RULES ABOUT REAL COVENANTS PROBABLY WOULD EXPECT SOME REASONABLE EXPANSION AND INTENSIFICATION OF THE USE. SO I YOU KNOW, IT JUST PROBABLY GIVES THEM PEACE OF MIND. I'M SURE THAT'S WHY THEY'VE ASKED FOR IT. THANK YOU. SO YOU'RE NOT ANTICIPATING MODIFYING, NOT MODIFYING, BUT PUTTING SOME OF THAT THINKING INTO THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE YOU WANT TO KEEP. WE PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK THAT ADDRESSES SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH THEIR LANGUAGE. WE'RE GOING TO WAIT BACK TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. ULTIMATELY, IF WE'RE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING THAT WE THINK THE COUNCIL OUGHT TO CONSIDER, WE WILL BRING IT TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND TO AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF GOING FORWARD AS WE'RE TALKING NEXT, HANDLING A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING. SO I'M TALKING A LOT. BUT NICK IS REALLY THE GUY WHO WE SHOULD BE THANKING. IT'S VERY HELPFUL. ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR RADFORD. SO FIRST OF ALL, IT OCCURS TO ME AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US PGA THE CANAL TRAIL AT SOME POINT SHOULD EXTEND. RIGHT.DO YOU KNOW WHICH SIDE OF THE CANAL IT WILL BE ON. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR CAT GRANT APPLICATIONS. AND IT WILL BE ON IT WILL BE ON THE WEST SIDE. SO THIS CLOSER SIDE UP TO LINCOLN. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE I WOULD LOVE TO NOT HAVE TO MAKE YOUNG KIDS GO UP TO LINCOLN AT 17,000 CARS A DAY. I MEAN, AND THEN IF YOU COULD, IF WE COULD NEGOTIATE AN EASEMENT SO THAT THE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE BECAUSE FOR US WE COULD PUT AN EASEMENT ON OURS. BUT BUT THAT IN THAT CONVERSATION WITH BUILDERS TO GET FROM THAT CANAL PATH TO BECAUSE WE BUILT THIS BEAUTIFUL PATH AROUND THE GOLF COURSE. RIGHT. IT'S ALL 12 FOOT PAVED. AND NOW IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPEN, THIS IS THE CONNECTIVITY AND WALKABILITY THAT I LIKE TO TALK TO THEM. SO THAT'S ONE THING. SO I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE HAVE THOSE THOSE OPTIONS. JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE. PART OF THAT GRANT TAKES YOU UP TO LINCOLN. AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE DOING A BIT OF WIDENING OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE AND THE PATHWAY ON LINCOLN. SO THERE WILL BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE FOR SAFETY FROM THERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GOLF COURSE. AWESOME. OKAY.
BUT JUST IN GENERAL, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THAT ACROSS THAT PROPERTY POSSIBLE. I KNOW WE DON'T OWN AND WE CAN ONLY ASK WITH THE OTHER ONE, BUT IF WE HAD OURS CONNECTED AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS TO ME THIS SEEMS. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW THIS PENCIL IS WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE HELP WITH GETTING THAT THAT ROCK OUT OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE THAT ANYONE'S SORT THAT, THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A CONVERSATION THAT OCCURRED PROBABLY AFTER THE DEVELOPERS ACQUIRED IT. I'VE MENTIONED THIS OVER THE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MENTIONED IT TO YOU, PAM. I THOUGHT IN THIS MEETING I MENTIONED THIS, THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY IS VERY INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY, WOULD LOVE TO DO OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO KIND OF MANAGE THAT PROCESS AS WELL. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPTION. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO USE TAX INCREMENT IF SOMEONE'S WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT 20 YEARS. BUT IF IT DOESN'T PENCIL, IF NO ONE'S GOING TO DO IT, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. YEAH, YEAH. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL FULL GEOTECHNICAL STUDY ON IT. WE DID HAVE AN INTERESTED BUYER. IT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT WAS INTERESTED. AND THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK AT DOING A GEOTECHNICAL STUDY, BUT THEY NEVER COMPLETED IT. BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD LIKELY, AND I'LL DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUE HERE, NICK, BUT THAT WOULD BE LIKELY SOMETHING THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT. JUST HAVING SOME TIME TO DO THAT INVESTIGATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO IF THE BUYER DOES THAT WORK AS PART OF, I GUESS, THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, ARE THEY IN ANY WAY ABLE TO OR NOT ABLE BECAUSE THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THEIR DATA. IF THEY PAY FOR THAT STUDY, THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO SHARE THAT WITH US. AND WE ARE NOT SO FAR HAVE NOT BEEN INTERESTED IN PAYING TO ASSESS HOW MUCH LAVA, ROCK OR WHATEVER MIGHT BE THERE. RIGHT? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. EVERYTHING IS DETERMINED IN THE CONTRACT OF WHO'S OBLIGATED TO WHAT. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THOUGH, IT'S NOT COMMON FOR THE BUYER TO BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ANY DUE DILIGENCE THAT THEY'VE UNCOVERED, WE CAN ALWAYS ASK FOR IT. AND OFTENTIMES ARE WILLING TO SHARE AT LEAST SOME
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INFORMATION. BUT THE CONTRACT WILL TYPICALLY DETERMINE WHO'S OBLIGATED TO DO WHAT. OKAY, OKAY. BUT IF THEY'RE WANTING TO BID DOWN PRICE, THEY MIGHT NEED TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME KIND OF CONCRETE REASON AND NOT JUST, SAY, ASSERT THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, AFTER THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, IF THEY COME TO A CERTAIN CONCLUSION THAT DUE TO X, Y, Z EXPENSES THAT WERE UNFORESEEN, THEY CAN ONLY AFFORD TO PAY ANOTHER LETTER A FOR THE PURCHASE PRICE, AND THEN THEY CAN NEGOTIATE THAT. AND IF WE CONSIDER THAT TO BE REASONABLE, THEN GREAT. IF NOT, THEN WE SAY NO THANK YOU, WE'LL WE'LL MOVE ON. OKAY. BUT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE NO SURE KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THAT HAS A LOT OF BASALTS OR SOMETHING UNDERNEATH THE GROUND.OR DO WE HAVE A VISUAL? YEAH, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A YES. YEAH. IT'S A, IT'S A HILL.
AND THE REASON IT'S A HILL, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S ABOVE THE SURFACE. OKAY. YEAH. ALSO WHEN WE PUT IN OUR, OUR GRAVITY FEED IRRIGATION LINE FROM THE CANAL, WE HAD TO BLAST ALMOST THE ENTIRE PATHWAY THROUGH. SO WE DO KNOW IT'S OKAY, AT LEAST IN THAT SECTION. OKAY, OKAY. BUT TO DATE, PAM, YOU HAVE NOT HAD OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ON THIS. NO, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE NOT BEEN APPROACHED AT ALL BY THEM AT THIS TIME. OKAY. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THE COUNCIL THAT YOU WOULD CARRY TO, TO YOUR BOARD. YEAH. I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I WAS THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF COUNCIL MEMBER RADFORD, AND I'M JUST WONDERING, AND THIS IS NOT TO THROW A WRENCH IN THE SITUATION, BUT WOULD BMC. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY USED TO BE CALLED, WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED NOW BMC AND BMC WEST. WELL BMC, WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO TRADE US PROPERTY SOMEWHERE ELSE IF WE WANTED TO ACQUIRE THAT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PROPERTY WE HAVE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES WE HAVE PROPERTY AROUND TOWN THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES REALLY STOPPING US FROM THAT CANAL, THAT OTHER PARCEL IS ACTUALLY LISTED AS THE CANAL ITSELF. SO I JUST I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING MAYBE TO CONSIDER THAT THERE WOULD BE SO THAT WE COULD ACQUIRE THE WHOLE THING AND NOT HAVE TO DO ALL OF THE. INVESTIGATION. I DID REACH OUT TO THEM ORIGINALLY, AND THEY EXPRESSED THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING THEIR LAND. THAT WAS A BIT AGO. IT WAS A YEAR AND A ā HALF AGO, PROBABL.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING HAS CHANGED, BUT TO DATE THEY CURRENTLY USE THAT FOR PARKING.
THEY DO PARK SOME OF THEIR TRUCKS THAT FOR SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES. SO I THINK THEY WOULD STILL NEED A SOLUTION THERE BECAUSE IT APPEARS THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING AT THE WAREHOUSE CURRENTLY FOR THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE. OKAY. BUT I DO THINK I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE THEY ARE INCREASINGLY SURROUNDED BY URBAN LIVING. THEY ARE. AND IF WE HAD OTHER PROPERTY WHERE THEY WOULD BE FEELING LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THIS, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS PARKING. I THOUGHT IT WAS MILLING. AND SO IT'S LIKE, OH, THEY WANTED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I THINK THE CITY MIGHT WAREHOUSE OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. JUST ACROSS THAT FENCE IS BEING USED FOR MILLING. OKAY. BUT THE PART THAT IS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE PHASE THREE PORTION, IS JUST CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR PARKING. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. UNPAVED AND GRAVELED. JUST PUT THEIR TRUCKS THERE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT STAND IN THE WAY OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING, THE SCENARIO THAT WE'RE FACING. ALL RIGHT. SO DIRECTOR ALEXANDER, DO YOU WANT TO THEN EXPRESS WHAT YOU'RE HOPING THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT GIVE SOME INPUT ON. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR. SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE BECAUSE YOU HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS LAST THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD ABOUT IT WAS WE HAD AN APPRAISAL 1.81 CLOSE TO 1.8 MILLION. WE ACTUALLY HAD A SALE THAT HAD GONE TO COUNCIL WITH APPROVAL. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT SINCE THEN. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING TODAY IS ONE GIVING YOU AN UPDATE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S THE FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND THEN ALSO LETTING YOU KNOW THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT YOU WILL BE SEEING COMING FORWARD. AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, WE WILL HAVE WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO RESOLVE THE LIMITATIONS THROUGH THE CC, AND WE'LL SEE AN AMENDMENT FOR THAT THAT WILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL. WE ALSO HAVE A REFRESHED APPRAISAL, ONE 1,635,000. THAT IS A FRESH ONE FROM JUST IN NOVEMBER. AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO FROM THERE IS GET SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS FAR AS WOULD IF WE HAVE INTERESTED BUYERS AND WE GET THE CCNR'S AMENDED AND GET THAT APPROVED BY COUNCIL, WOULD THE COUNCIL BE INTERESTED IN US AND TO NEGOTIATE A PRICE FOR THAT, FOR THAT PROPERTY? THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION NO LESS THAN THE APPRAISAL AMOUNT. THAT'S WHAT WE RECEIVED BACK IN 2022. AND THEN ALSO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A SALE POTENTIALLY TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING. ONCE WE GET THOSE OTHER TWO ITEMS TAKEN CARE OF, AND THEN WE WOULD BRING BACK THE PROPOSED OFFER FOR SALE
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TO CITY COUNCIL LIKE WE DID LAST TIME. SO TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE NATURE OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH TOKAY NOW? IS IT THE SAME AGREEMENT? IS IT STILL IN FORCE? DID WE RENEW OR DO WE NEED TO RENEW? THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE IS A AN EXCLUSIVE SALES AGREEMENT. SO THAT IS IN FORCE? I THINK WE PROBABLY DO NEED TO DO AN AMENDMENT THOUGH, EXTENDING THROUGH THIS TIMELINE. WE DID AN EXTENSION, I WANT TO SAY, A FEW MONTHS AGO, BUT I THINK WE MIGHT BE CLOSE TO GETTING A RENEWAL ON THAT, SO THAT MIGHT COME FORWARD. YEAH, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AS AS WE GET TO IT. OKAY. AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME INTERESTED PARTIES, YOU WOULD BASICALLY BASED ON THE INPUT YOU GET TODAY, WOULD PURSUE ALL OF THAT. ONCE THE INNER ELEMENT IS AMENDED IS ACHIEVED. YES. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS MAY WE ASSUME THAT THE APPRAISAL WAS DONE WITH VERY CLEAR EYES LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, KNOWING THAT THERE IS SOME LAVA THERE. AND THE APPRAISAL INCLUDES THAT. YEAH, ACTUALLY, THE COMPANY THAT DID THE APPRAISAL FOR US WAS ACTUALLY OUT OF BOISE, AND THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE ON COMMERCIAL TYPES OF PROPERTY. AND ACTUALLY THEY ASKED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. THEY ACTUALLY EVEN CALLED TO SAY THAT THERE WAS A TEMPORARY ROADS AND PAVEMENT PUT IN, AND THAT WAS FOR THE SNOW DUMP. SO WE HAD TO CHECK IN WITH PUBLIC WORKS. SO THAT APPRAISAL WAS VERY ASTUTE IN KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AND ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY FINALIZED THE APPRAISAL. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL NOT ASK THAT THE ASKING OF A PRICE BE NO LOWER THAN THE APPRAISED VALUE? IT NEEDS TO TELL US? IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE A DIRECTION GOING IN. SO AS WE HOPE THAT THINGS START SOFTENING PRETTY QUICKLY. AND THAT WAY WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT THIS SOLVED. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT? SO I DIDN'T ASK MY QUESTION VERY WELL. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY? IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO SAY RIGHT NOW WE'RE GREAT, GO FOR IT. GET US THE APPRAISED VALUE OR HIGHER. DO YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO SAY, OH NO, WE NEED TO GO BELOW THAT.NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. NO. ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR, ONE QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THE GRAVITY, BUT DO WE ALREADY HAVE AN EASEMENT BECAUSE OF THAT? THROUGH ALL THIS, WE DO. WE DO THAT SHOULD BE COVERED IN THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT'S COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. SO ONE MORE QUESTION WITH THAT.
IF WE HAVE THAT EASEMENT, WHY IS THAT WIDE ENOUGH TO ALREADY PUT A PATHWAY. OR DO YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT OPEN. LIKE HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH I, I MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
COUNCILMEMBER 12FT WIDE. YEAH. SO IF IT'S SIX FEET WIDE OR WHATEVER IT IS AND IT'S AN EASEMENT FOR PIPE, IT'S MOST LIKELY A UTILITY EASEMENT. BUT THE PIPE IS BURIED. RIGHT. SO THERE ARE SOME MANHOLES THAT COME UP THAT ARE ABOVE GROUND LEVEL. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE PATHWAY HAS TO BE BUILT AROUND. HAS TO BE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THEM OUT. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO A MANHOLE ON A ROAD OR SOMETHING. YEAH.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S INTERESTING. IF IT'S ALREADY IF THERE'S AN EASEMENT THROUGH. SO IS THERE A COUNSELOR WHO WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE DONE GOING FORWARD? WELL, I MEAN, IT GOES TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE, BUT THEN AS SOON AS YOU SAY, LIKE, OH, IN A PUBLIC MEETING, LET'S NEGOTIATE WITHIN 10%, THEN WE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'RE KNOCKING OFF 10%. SO I'M NOT I MEAN, I, I WOULD I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, TRY AND GET APPRAISED VALUE, BUT RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS I MEAN, I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN APPRAISED VALUE. AND SO TO USE YOUR DISCRETION WHEN IT COMES TO NEGOTIATION, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE, THE MAXIMUM VALUE. BUT I WOULDN'T GIVE YOU A FLOOR. YOU HAVE TO BE ABOVE IF YOU FIND A REASONABLE BUYER OR A SERIOUS BUYER. I THINK WHEN WE WERE AT THE OTHER ONE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER BID, WE HAD SAID AS A COUNCIL APPRAISED WAS A MINIMUM, AND WE WEREN'T GOING TO GO LESS THAN THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE SIMILAR INSTRUCTION, UNLESS IF SO, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CHANGES COME BACK TO US. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, I'M SAYING I WOULDN'T I AT THIS POINT JUST BECAUSE IT HASN'T SOLD AND THE MARKET IS SOFTENING AND YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT I WOULD IT'S HARD TO SAY GO 10%, GO 15% BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH.
YEAH. SO I WOULD JUST SAY BE BE REASONABLE. YEAH. I THINK I JUST SUGGEST THAT STAFF IS REALLY LOOKING HERE FOR WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO COME BACK. SO IF YOU IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU WOULD NOT ACCEPT MORE THAN. LET'S SAY THIS IS AN ABSURD NUMBER, BUT LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT YOU
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WOULDN'T ACCEPT $50,000. AND IF WE PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA, AN AGREEMENT TO ACCEPT $50,000, IF YOU COME HERE AND YOU SAY, WHY IS THIS ON THE AGENDA? WHY DID YOU BRING THIS TO US? HE TOLD YOU THAT WE WOULDN'T BRING IT. SO THAT'S REALLY MORE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. YOU DON'T NEED TO GIVE A RANGE, BUT YOU COULD MAYBE SAY THERE IS A NUMBER THAT WE WOULD NOT ENTERTAIN, AND THEN WE WILL START FROM THERE. I ALSO THINK MAYBE YOU JUST SAY THAT THE APPRAISED VALUE IF THEN COME ASK IF YOU WANT TO. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING LOWER THAN APPRAISED, THEN WE'LL RECONSIDER OUR. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, YEAH. THAT WAY WE HAVE A FLOOR AND WE HAVEN'T GIVEN AWAY WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE. YEAH, I WOULD SAY THERE NEEDS TO BE A REASON IF IT'S BELOW APPRAISED VALUE, WE OWE THE TAXPAYERS AN EXPLANATION. AND SO IF YOU WERE TO BRING SOMETHING BACK THAT WAS LESS, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND INSIGHT. OTHERWISE, WHY WOULDN'T THE TAXPAYERS SAY, YOU GUYS JUST ARE GIVING AWAY OUR PROPERTY FOR, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT IF THERE'S A REASON, I MEAN, BECAUSE I GUESS I'D SAY THIS PART OF APPRAISALS IS AN ART, NOT A SCIENCE, AND THAT YOU KIND OF GET A APPRAISAL AND THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, IF IT REALLY IF SOME WE'VE SAID ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A WHILE, IF WE DIDN'T SIT ON MORE THAN THE PROPERTY THAT'S MAKING IT UNATTRACTIVE, I WOULD I WOULD COUNTER THAT. AND I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD WE'VE DONE THAT WORK FOR THEM. YEAH. SO THERE'S SOME VALUE IN THAT.YEAH, YEAH I. AN APPRAISAL IS ONE VERY EDUCATED INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS ESTIMATE AS TO WHAT THE PROPERTY'S WORTH. IT'S NOT. YEAH. ABSOLUTE. THIS IS WHAT IT'S WORTH AND WE ALL KNOW THAT. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY IT TAKE A HIKE. SO ARE YOU WORRIED THAT SAYING WE WANT THE APPRAISED VALUE OR WE'RE NOT INTERESTED? I THINK THAT'S SHORTSIGHTED. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. I'D SAY WE WANT THE APPRAISED VALUE UNLESS THERE'S A VALID REASON TO MAKE A LEFT. BUT A VALID REASON THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO US. I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE VALID REASON? MAYBE HE JUST DISAGREES WITH OUR APPRAISAL, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY. OUR GUY'S RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG. JUST IT'S JUST ONE MAN'S OPINION AGAINST ANOTHER MAN'S OPINION.
LET'S LISTEN TO THE MARKET. YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WITH THE APPRAISAL HE WAS VERY DETAILED, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WHEN THEY'RE ANALYZING THE PROPERTY TO SEE IF IT'S GOING TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. SO THERE, THERE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S LAVA THERE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 100% OF THE PROPERTY OR 15% OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S SOME UNKNOWNS, RIGHT, THAT WILL COME CLEAR DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS. BUT I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT TO COME BACK TO WITH NEXT, KNOWING THAT THE APPRAISAL IS AN IMPORTANT NUMBER, BUT IT'S NOT THE END ALL, BE ALL IT SOUNDS. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO LOWER THAN THAT, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY. YEAH, OKAY. I THINK I THINK THAT GIVES ME ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE. RIGHT. YEAH, I THINK THAT BOTTOM LINE, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT TO PUBLIC THAT WE ARE NOT PUSHOVERS AND THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WASTING THE POTENTIAL HERE. SO. TERRIFIC. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN THANK YOU FOR GETTING US THIS FAR. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE YOU AGAIN SOON WITH SOME CONCRETE INFORMATION AND NEWS.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S THE EFFORT PUT INTO GETTING TO GET GETTING GETTING THIS TAKEN CARE OF. ALL RIGHT. FOR THE NEXT PIECE OF OUR MEETING THEN UNLESS PAM, IS THERE ANYTHING LAST THING YOU WANT TO SAY? OKAY, GOOD. THEN WE ARE DONE AND WE'LL MOVE ON. THE I HAVE SOME THINGS TO PASS OUT, AND ONE OF THEM IS SOMETHING TO PAM. SO JUST HAND THIS TO YOU REAL QUICK. OKAY? THANK YOU. WE HAVE. OKAY SO COUNCIL MEMBERS I HAVE WE HAVE THAT FOR YOU. AND I'LL JUST PASS THESE DOWN. I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO PARDON. YEAH WE'LL
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DO THAT AS WELL. SO WHILE YOU'RE GETTING THESE PASSED OUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF RECEIPT OF MINUTES. IS THERE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S PREPARED TO. MAKE THAT MOTION? I CAN DO COUNSELOR FRANCIS WILL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR.I MOVE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE JANUARY 7TH, 2025 MEETING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT. SECOND. ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE. CITY CLERK, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL?
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FRANCIS. HI, DINGMAN. YES, FREEMAN. YES. LARSEN. YES. BRADFORD. ALL RIGHT. BURTONSHAW.YES. THANK YOU. SO THE MOTION PASSES. IT SOUNDS LIKE SO, COUNSELOR FREEMAN, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT WE DIDN'T CHECK WITH YOU AT ANY POINT DURING THE LAST DISCUSSION TO SEE IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. PLEASE KNOW THAT THAT WASN'T DELIBERATE. YOU'RE JUST KIND OF OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO INTERRUPT AT ANY POINT, DON'T BE SHY. I WOULDN'T BE SHY, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD THEN. MOVING ON THEN WE'RE TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL REPORTS. AND SO I WANTED TO JUST REVIEW A FEW THINGS. ONE, I OF THE THINGS YOU RECEIVED, ONE IS OBVIOUSLY THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTORY FOR THIS, THIS CURRENT SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE. AS YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED A WEEK AGO AND HERE WE ARE. THIS CONTAINS THOSE WHO WERE ELECTED IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. SO THIS CAN BECOME QUITE HANDY AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET SOME USE OUT OF IT. THE SECOND THING IS THAT THERE WAS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE LITTLE CALENDAR HERE. A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. ONE IS THAT IN MARCH WE DID GO AHEAD AND ADJUST THE WEEKS WHEN THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND WORK SESSIONS WILL BE HELD. AND SO THESE NEW DATES ARE LISTED HERE. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANCE TO BLACK LETTERING AND GREEN LETTERING. GREEN IS SUPPOSED TO SIGNIFY COUNCIL. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THOSE THE SEVENTH AND THE 17TH AND THE THIRD ARE IN BLACK INK. IT'S MY. I DO TEND TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE IDAHO FALLS POWER BOARD MEETING IS LISTED STILL FOR THAT SECOND WEEK. AND AS I LOOKED AT DIRECTOR PRAIRIE'S SCHEDULE, HE IS PRETTY MUCH OUT OF TOWN.
EVERY OTHER WEDNESDAY IN THE MONTH OF MARCH. AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE KEEP POWER BOARD ON THE 12TH, EVEN THOUGH IT WILL NOT BE A WEEK OF COUNCIL MEETINGS. I KNOW THAT WE LIKE TO KEEP THOSE THINGS DOVETAILING TOGETHER, SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO BE IN THE CITY FOR MEETINGS EVERY, YOU KNOW, WEEK OF THE MONTH. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE KEEP IT ON THE 12TH UNLESS THERE'S A STRONG SENTIMENT. OTHERWISE, ANY INPUT ON THAT? I WOULD IF WE IF WE LOOK AT AN AGENDA AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS WE GET CLOSER, THAT JUST MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. LIKE, OH, NONE OF THIS IS TIMELY AND COULD BE MOVED UP OR DOWN, THEN THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. I HAPPILY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH DIRECTOR PRAIRIE. I DO KNOW THAT THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY. I'LL REITERATE THAT BOTH TO HIM AND TO IAN TURNER AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH OF THOSE DIRECTORS KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE BOARD MEETINGS JUST TO HAVE THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE UNDER PLANNING AHEAD, YOU'LL SEE APRIL 22ND THROUGH THE 25TH, THE NEW NUCLEAR FORUM THAT I GIVE FORWARD TO YOU THE INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT TODAY FOR REGISTRATION AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO STRONGLY CONSIDER PARTICIPATING IN THAT. I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE HAVE. THE MARTIN LUTHER KING BANQUET AND CIVIL RIGHTS REMEMBRANCE ACTIVITIES COMING UP THIS WEEK. LATER ON IN THE MONTH, THERE'S A CITY CLUB THAT'S OFFERING A TOUR OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING. UP UNTIL I THINK TODAY, THEY WERE ONLY ALLOWING MEMBERS TO REGISTER FOR THAT TOUR. THE POLICE COMPLEX. ACTUALLY, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE POLICE POLICE COMPLEX, NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING. BUT ANYWAY THAT. WILL BE EXTENDED TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THE CITY CLUB MEMBERS TAKE UP ALL 50 SLOTS. BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE DID A GOOD JOB A YEAR AGO OF GETTING THE PUBLIC THROUGH THAT BUILDING. BUT THERE WERE, I GUESS, LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO JUST ARE NOW THINKING, I'D LIKE TO SEE INSIDE THERE. AND SO HERE WE ARE A YEAR LATER WITH ANOTHER TORCH, AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'S LISTED ON HERE UNDER FEBRUARY 6TH. AND I'M GLAD THAT MARGARET IS IN THE ROOM. MARGARET, COULD YOU COME TO A MICROPHONE? THERE IS THE WATER TOWER TRIBUTE EVENT THAT'S BEING HELD AT THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO. I BELIEVE IT'S AT 5:30 P.M. THAT NIGHT ON FEBRUARY 6TH, WHICH IS A TUESDAY, I THINK. CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT DAY, BUT CAN YOU JUST GIVE A LITTLE
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BIT OF INSIGHT AS TO WHAT. I GUESS MAYBE IT'S THE THURSDAY. ANYWAY, WHAT THAT EVENT IS ALL ABOUT? YES, I'D BE HAPPY TO. THIS IS PART OF OUR ONGOING EVENTS TO CELEBRATE THE TRANSITION OF OUR OUR WATER TOWERS, WE PARTNERED WITH THE ART MUSEUM. THEY ARE DOING A GALLERY EXHIBIT OF ARTWORK FROM REGIONAL LOCAL ARTISTS OF THE WATER TOWER. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO INCLUDE THE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE WINNERS IN THE IDAHO FALLS MAGAZINE PHOTO CONTEST THAT WE HELD THIS FALL. SO ON THURSDAY, THERE IS GOING TO BE JUST A GALLERY OPENING. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT EXHIBITS IN THE GALLERY AT THAT TIME. ONE IS THE WATER TOWER, AND THEN I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER ONE IS, BUT IT'LL JUST BE AN OPEN HOUSE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO WE'LL DO WE'LL PARTNER WITH THEM TO DO SOME PROMOTIONS AND ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO COME OUT AND SEE HOW ARTISTS HAVE CAPTURED THE, THE, THE WATER TOWER. AND THEN WE'RE JUST FINALIZING THE DETAILS FOR ONE OTHER EVENT, WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE ON FEBRUARY 3RD. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ART MUSEUM, WITH THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO, WHICH WILL BE JUST SORT OF A HISTORIC PRESERVATION, SORT OF A TALK DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CHANGING WATERFRONT. A LOT OF PEOPLE SORT OF SEE THE CURRENT WATER TOWER AS THE ONLY ONE WE'VE EVER HAD, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WATER TOWERS THAT HAVE BEEN ON OUR SKYLINE OVER THE YEARS. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF FINALIZING THOSE DETAILS, AND I'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE WITH THE MAYOR AND GET THAT OUT AS WELL. BUT AS I SAID, JUST FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS, JUST TO KIND OF CELEBRATE THAT WATER TOWER AND ALSO THAT THAT TRANSITION KIND OF CELEBRATE THE CITY'S GROWTH AND HOW WE'RE MEETING THAT CHALLENGE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT BACKGROUND. SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAVE ALSO PROVIDED AGENDAS FOR THE WATER SUMMIT AND THE CITY OFFICIALS DAY, I KNOW I HAVE I HAVE NOT MEMORIZED WHO'S PLANNING TO GO TO THAT OR GO TO THOSE EVENTS, BUT I JUST THOUGHT EVERYBODY WOULD WANT TO SEE WHAT THE AGENDA WAS FOR THOSE. AND WE'LL I GUESS THAT IS NEXT WEEK. AND SO COUNCIL YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO IS THAT I AM I'M OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S CURRENTLY PLANNING LARSON FRANCIS CASTLE FREEMAN. ARE YOU PLANNING TO GO NEXT WEEK? YES, I AM OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO WE'LL HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE. AND SO THAT'S A THAT'S A QUORUM. MY FRIENDS, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT OUR CONVERSATIONS. AND BEYOND THAT, I WANTED TO ALSO MENTION. SORRY. THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WAS UNDERWAY. WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME BILLS INTRODUCED THAT IMPACT CITY AND THE CITY OR THE ASSOCIATION OF IDAHO CITIES HAS ALREADY TAKEN A POSITION ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES. AND SO THOSE BILLS, HOWEVER, HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED. SO THOSE ARE TENTATIVE POSITIONS. BUT WHAT I THINK AND I DIDN'T MAKE NOTES TO BRING THAT TO YOU, THOSE SPECIFIC TOPICS TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO THROW OUT THE INVITATION TO ANY OF YOU TO AT ANY POINT, YOU WANT TO HAVE THE LINK SO THAT YOU CAN TUNE IN TO THOSE FRIDAY MEETINGS. I BELIEVE THEY USED TO. ONCE UPON A TIME, THOSE MEETINGS WERE LIMITED TO THE BOARD, AND I'M GETTING THE IMPRESSION AT THIS POINT NOW THAT THEY'RE INVITING EVERYBODY IN AIC TO PARTICIPATE. SO IF YOU NEED HELP FINDING THAT LINK SO THAT YOU CAN LISTEN IN, LET ME KNOW. BUT THEY START AT 9 A.M.ON FRIDAYS, AND THIS PAST ONE TOOK 30 MINUTES IN THE FUTURE, AND WE'VE ENDED A LEISURELY PACE IN THE FUTURE. THOSE MEETINGS CAN GO, YOU KNOW, UP TO 2.5 HOURS LONG BECAUSE AS THE SESSION GOES ON, THERE ARE MORE ISSUES TO DISCUSS. SO, YES, COUNCILOR FRANCIS, MAYOR, IS THERE A BOARD MEETING ON THE MORNING OF THE 22ND? I BELIEVE THERE IS, YES, I'M WAITING FOR THAT AGENDA. I DID ASK THE DIRECTOR FOR THAT, AND SHE SAID THAT IT'LL COME OUT LATER THIS WEEK. OKAY. SO THAT WILL BE SHARED. AND I. LET'S SEE. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL THE I THINK. I LEFT SOMETHING ON HERE CALLED MEETING MINUTES. JUST SCRIBBLE THAT OUT. THAT IS LEFTOVER FROM LAST MONTH. AND SO I THINK I'M DONE. AND I'M GOING TO PASS IT ON TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR ANY THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO. OH, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER TALKING POINT, BUT I'LL DO IT AFTER WE'VE GONE AROUND THE ROOM. OKAY. ONE THING, JUST TO TAKE NOTE OF, AND IT'LL GET FIXED IN OUR CALENDARS, IS THAT WE HAVE OUR COUNCIL RETREAT IN. I'M JUST LOOKING. THE EXACT DATE? FEBRUARY. YEAH. CITY COUNCIL BUDGET RETREAT ON FEBRUARY 21ST. THAT IS GOING TO
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BE CONCLUDED BY 1:00. SO IN THE CALENDAR NOW AS A WHOLE DAY FIVE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO FINISH UP WITH WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH LUNCH BUT HAVE LUNCH BUT THEN BE FINISHED BY 1:00. AS AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT AGENDA, I THINK IT'LL ALL BE FINISHED BY ONE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO CONTINUE DOING MORE WORK THAN THAT. AND THERE WILL BE MORE COMING ON THAT. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE AGENDA. THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT HOMEWORK THAT WE DID LAST YEAR PRIOR TO COMING, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING HUGE, BUT IT WILL BE IMPORTANT. SO IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICTS FOR THAT DATE, PLEASE LET US KNOW IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE CAN TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. IT SEEMED LIKE, AT LEAST FOR ME, HAVING THAT COUNCIL PRIORITY REALLY HELPED FOCUS ME DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS SO THAT IT'S LIKE, OH YEAH, THAT'S YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE COUNCIL WAS ON BOARD FOR THIS. SO IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT I FOUND VALUABLE.AND HOPEFULLY THIS NEXT ONE CAN HAVE VALUE TOO. AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP YOU THERE TILL 5 P.M. FOR NO GOOD REASON. SO I WILL SAY THAT IT WILL BE OUR GOAL TO TRY TO HAVE FOR YOU THE A PRETTY GOOD VERSION OF THE AGENDA ON FEBRUARY 10TH AT THAT AT THAT WORK SESSION. AND ALSO THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON WE END UP WITH HAVING TO DO A LITTLE MORE WORK ON THAT, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR A FEW MORE DAYS, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY TRY TO GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THE, THE ANY READING OR REVIEWING DONE. GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON ON THAT? SO LET US KNOW IF FEBRUARY 21ST FALLS THROUGH, BECAUSE THIS HAS THE MOST VALUE WHEN EVERYBODY'S TOGETHER. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? NOTHING. NOTHING ELSE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT OR IS ONGOING. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO. COUNCILOR YIELDING. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD MENTION IS THAT YOU'LL SEE COMING FORWARD FROM THE HR DEPARTMENT, OUR THE WORK WE HAVE DONE IN PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN FOR A RENEWAL FOR OUR HEALTH INSURANCE BROKER AND OUR LANDS, SO THAT RFP PROCESS IS COMPLETED AND ALL THE PROPER THINGS ARE HAPPENING NOW, LEGAL AND THE DIRECTOR. SO. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT LATER DATE. WHEN IS THE OPENING OF THE DAYS ARE DONE. YEAH. WE GOT YEAH WE GOT PROPOSALS IN AND THAT WHOLE SCORING PROCESS HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND SOMEONE SELECTED. YEAH, YEAH THAT'LL THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. I JUST KNOW THAT SOMEBODY I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I WAS LIKE LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT. YEAH THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AT A FUTURE MEETING. COUNCIL WILL BE APPRIZED HERE SHORTLY. OKAY. AND YOU REMINDED ME THAT THERE IS A BILL COMING FORWARD, PROBABLY, WE BELIEVE, FROM REPRESENTATIVE CHEATHAM, WHICH WILL DO FOR CITIES WHAT WAS DONE FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS A FEW YEARS BACK, WHICH IS TO ALLOW THEM TO BECOME PARTICIPANTS IN THE STATE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN THAT IS NOT IT'S NOT WITHOUT CONTROVERSY. THERE ARE THERE IS AN ENTITY TRIPLE A, I THINK IT'S CALLED OR TRIPLE A, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I THINK IT'S TRIPLE I A ANYWAY THEY THAT INSURES A LOT OF THE SMALLER CITIES AND THEY FEEL LIKE THIS MIGHT ERODE THEIR BASE OF MEMBERS. AND SO THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT ABOUT THAT. SO IT'LL BE AN INTERESTING. CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD. BUT I BELIEVE THAT BILL WILL BE COMING. MAYOR, CAN I ADD ONE THING TO IT? UNLIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, ROB BURNS SAID THAT HE HAS READ THE BILL AND IT'S ONLY GOT A TWO YEAR COMMITMENT. I WAS REALLY HESITANT ON SOMETHING THAT WAS FIVE YEARS. IT FELT LIKE, I'LL LOCK YOU IN FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT THIS IS A TWO YEAR COMMITMENT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT IT'S IT HAS VALUE, I THINK, TO LOOK AT AND TO COMPARE WHAT WE OFFER AND WHAT THE STATE OFFERS. I THINK A LOT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS COULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. AND WHEN SOME DID TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, THEY REALLY STRETCHED THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. AND THEN WE'RE LOCKED IN. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF A TWO YEAR.
SO I BROUGHT IT UP HERE BECAUSE NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S LEGISLATIVE AND WE'RE IN LEGISLATIVE SEASON, BUT THERE IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE NO POSITION FROM THE ASSOCIATION OF IDAHO CITIES ON THIS. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY'LL EVEN SAY WE DON'T SUPPORT IT. I'M HOPING THEY'LL
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REMAIN NEUTRAL. AND THE REASON THAT AIC IS NOT INTERESTED IN THIS IS BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HARM THE SIZE OF THE INSURANCE POOL FOR SMALLER CITIES MIGHT BE PERCEIVED AS RAISING THEIR RATES. AND YET SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE PERCEIVED AS ENCOURAGING OR DISCOURAGING LARGE CITIES FROM JOINING THE POOL OR THE STATE PLAN. IF AIC IS TAKING A STAND AGAINST THE BILL, THEN IT MIGHT BE TELLING CITIES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS THAT THEY CAN'T SAVE MONEY. SO IT'S ONE WHERE AIC JUST PROBABLY WANTS TO STAY OUT OF IT. AND SO IF I CAN SUPPORT THAT AS A BOARD MEMBER, I CAN SUPPORT THE NEUTRAL POSITION. BUT WE MAY BE ASKED AS A CITY TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL. SEPARATELY, THE CITIES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS PASS MIGHT ASK US TO TESTIFY OR TO WRITE LETTERS OR WHATEVER. AND SO AT SOME POINT, I MAY BE COMING TO YOU AND ASKING YOU IF YOU HAVE A POSITION, IF YOU WANT TO, AS A CITY, TO HAVE ONE. SO THAT WE CAN KNOW IF WE'RE WHAT KIND OF LETTERS WE'RE WRITING OR IF WE'RE SAYING, NO, DON'T, DON'T TALK TO US ABOUT THIS. THINK ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL AND ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED TO ASK, AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THAT BILL COMES THROUGH AND SHARE IT WITH YOU. YES, THERE IS RESEARCH THAT REPRESENTATIVE CHEATHAM DID THAT SHOWS IT ISN'T JUST THE SIZE OF THE CITY THAT MIGHT BENEFIT OR NOT. SO IT'S REALLY MORE COMPLICATED THAN SIMPLE SMALL TOWNS VERSUS LARGE CITIES, ETC. AND I THINK HE'S WILLING TO PROBABLY TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED TO LOOK AT IT. AND WE DO HAVE A COPY FROM THE BOARD SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT WITH THAT EVIDENCE WHEN WE COME TO TALK ABOUT IT. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE WON'T TAKE A VOTE ON THAT NOW. BUT IF WE HAVE TO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A FUTURE WORK SESSION. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILOR? OKAY, THAT'S THE RADFORD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY TO RECORD. I WILL BE GONE ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 30TH OF THAT CHANGE, SO I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN AND MADE, YOU KNOW, SORRY. JANUARY. OH, JANUARY. OKAY. I MAY BE JOINED, BUT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO JOIN AS WELL. SO YOU'RE OKAY AND THEN A CONFERENCE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FROM THE LIBRARY. I THINK FROM CDS. SO. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO LET THE CITY CLERK KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO JOIN SO THAT A MEETING, A ZOOM LINK CAN BE CREATED OR WHATEVER. WE USE TEAMS OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE WON'T BOTHER IF THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT. OKAY, OKAY. COUNCILOR FRANCIS. SO THIS ISN'T DIRECTLY A CITY THING, BUT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SENATOR COOK IN BOISE, AND HE IS VERY INTERESTED IN ESTABLISHING A PERMANENT HOMES FOR VETERANS WHO ARE HOMELESS IN THIS AREA. AND WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR NOW IS ANY INFORMATION WE COULD GIVE HIM ON HOW LARGE THAT POPULATION MIGHT BE. I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE RESCUE MISSION, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR WHO DOES THE CRISIS CENTER, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HOMELESS PEOPLE COME THERE IN THE WINTERTIME AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY VETERANS ARE IN THE AREA. SO IF ANYBODY HAS IDEAS OF WHO ELSE I COULD CONTACT, I KNOW THAT LISA FERRIS IS INVOLVED WITH THE GROUP THAT DOES THE UNDERCOUNT AND THE UNDERCOUNT, DEFINITELY, I THINK HAS A SENSE OF WHO THEIR HOW MANY VETS WALK IN THE DOOR VERSUS NON VETS AND THAT COUNT THE POINT IN TIME COUNT FOR HOMELESSNESS IS THE 21ST. IT'S THIS MONTH LIKE NEXT WEEK. IT'S COMING UP. AND THAT'S DINA AT CLUB INCORPORATED AND CLUB INCORPORATED. SOMEONE WHO WILL HAVE YOUR BEST INFORMATION. YEAH I THINK THEY TAKE THE LEAD ON THE. THE. OF THESE ISSUES. YES. SO YEAH. SO JUST I'LL PASS IT ON TO HIM AND IF HE CAN SHOW THE NEED THEN HE WANTS TO PURSUE IT BASED ON THE GOVERNOR'S STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS. YOU REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING ELSE. LEGISLATIVE APOLOGIES. SENATOR COOK IS ONCE AGAIN BRINGING FORWARD A BILL THAT HE HAS WORKED TO REFINE OVER THESE MANY YEARS, THAT HE'S EVERY YEAR THAT HE'S BEEN IN THE LEGISLATURE. THE BILL ON PROTECTING, HAVING PHONES COME WITH PROTECTIONS FOR MINORS, HAVING THAT THAT SWITCH INSIDE THE PHONE FLIPPED SO THAT IT'S THE DEFAULT IS TO HAVE THAT ON. AND RATHER THAN OFF. AND SO AND THAT'S A THAT'S AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION. BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT'S LIKE. HE VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CLAIM THAT CITY A CITY OR IN SUPPORTING. AND SO I MAY SHARE WITH YOU THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT HE SENT TO ME AND TO SEE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS STEP UP AND[01:05:02]
OFFER SUPPORT TO THAT FOR THAT BILL OR NOT, HIS ARGUMENTATION IS PRETTY INTRIGUING. HE TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO PROTECT YOU FROM THE DESTRUCTIVE SIDE OF PORNOGRAPHY AND THINGS THAT COULD COME THROUGH ON PHONES. AND SO IT'S AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION. WE MAY HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE HAVE A POSITION ON THAT ONE. I DON'T THINK AIC IS PLANNING TO TAKE ONE. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILOR FRANK? NO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR LARSON, JUST A HEADS UP. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER RUN AT THE COPS. GRANT THIS YEAR. SO PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL GOAL WAS SIX. THAT'S STILL THE GOAL. WELL, WE HAVE TWO, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'LL PROBABLY BE GOING FOR FOUR. HOPEFULLY THEY'LL KNOW THINGS. NOW THEY DIDN'T KNOW A YEAR AGO AND INCREASE THEIR CHANCES OF BEING SUCCESSFUL.OKAY THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. PRE-BUDGET MINDSET THERE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR FREEMAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING FORWARD FROM ANY OF YOUR LIAISON ASSIGNMENTS OR OTHER CONNECTIONS? NO, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I KNOW HOW TO DO THIS BETTER. OKAY. WELL THEN THAT TAKES US THEN TO THE LAST ITEM. COUNCIL MEMBERS ON WEDNESDAY, THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS WILL BE GIVEN ONCE AGAIN. IT'S AN EVENT, A LUNCHEON EVENT BEING HOSTED BY GUY CARR.
IT IS A FUNDRAISER FOR THE MAYOR'S SCHOLARSHIP FUND, AND IT WILL BE HELD AT IN THE EVENT ROOM THAT THE LARGE EVENT ROOM THAT THEY HAVE AT THE HOLIDAY INN THAT'S OFF OF THE INTERSTATE AT EXIT 116 THE. THAT SAME DAY, JANUARY 15TH, IS ALSO A DAY WHEN THERE ARE A GREAT MANY DIRECTORS AND SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WILL BE INVOLVED IN A MEDIATION. AND SO A LEGAL PROCEEDING. AND SO THE THOUGHT IS THAT OUR FIRST THOUGHT IS TO ASK THE MEDIATOR IF THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GRANT MAYBE AN EXTENDED LUNCH HOUR, SO THAT THE DIRECTORS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE INVOLVED CAN CAN ATTEND. BUT THERE IS ALSO A BACKUP PLAN, WHICH IS IF YOU END UP BEING, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE INVOLVED END UP BEING THE SECOND IN THE LEGAL PROCEEDING AND JUST MISSED THAT EVENT. THE THERE WILL BE OTHERS FROM THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WHO WILL BE ATTENDING. WE DON'T HAVE SUB COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT WE DO HAVE ASSISTANT DIRECTORS WHO CAN BE THERE. YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT PART OF THE STRATEGY FOR THAT MEETING IS TO HAVE EITHER AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OR A CITY DIRECTOR SIT AT THE VARIOUS TABLES, SO THAT EACH TABLE HAS ITS OWN EXPERT ON THE CITY THERE, JUST FOR CONVERSATION PURPOSES AND FOR EXPOSURE AND JUST HELPING PEOPLE GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, ESPECIALLY THE ATTENDEES. GET TO KNOW THE CITY OFFICIALS MORE SO, OR GET TO KNOW THE PERSON. SO THAT THAT'S THE SCENARIO WE'RE FACING, IS THAT THERE MAY BE FEWER PEOPLE THERE, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE MEDIATION. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. OH NO, NO, NO. THAT ONE FEATURE OF THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS THIS YEAR WILL BE THAT IT WILL INTRODUCE THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO THE PUBLIC. AND YOU'LL RECALL THAT WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT TO YOU IN JANUARY, IN DECEMBER, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT CATEGORY CALLED ASPIRATIONS AND HOW WE WANTED TO MAYBE FINE TUNE OR DO SOME WORDSMITHING OR PLAY AROUND WITH THE BULLET POINTS THAT ARE LISTED THERE. AND AFTER HAVING CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT, WITH MARK WIMBORNE AND WITH COUNCILOR FRANCIS, I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THIS ANYTHING THAT'S AN OBVIOUS DUPLICATION OR AN EASY TYPO TYPE FIX, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE TAKEN CARE OF FOR WEDNESDAY. FOR WEDNESDAY'S GO LIVE ROLLOUT OF THE PLAN, BUT ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, HEY, IS THIS A GOOD IDEA? DO WE EVEN WANT IT THERE? OR, HEY, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE TIMELINE THAT'S LISTED HERE, OR I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THIS IN SOME SUBSTANTIVE WAY. THOSE CONVERSATIONS WILL LIKELY HAPPEN NOT IN TIME FOR WEDNESDAY. THOSE WILL HAPPEN PROBABLY STARTING AT OUR RETREAT IN FEBRUARY. AND SO AND THEN THEY'LL PROBABLY BE ONGOING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE TREATING THIS AS A LIVING DOCUMENT. WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THIS AS SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED WATERING AND FEEDING AND CARE AND ATTENTION. AND I WILL COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE PUBLIC. SO, COUNCILOR RADFORD, YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED THAT SOME OF THE STATEMENTS IN THERE MIGHT BE TAKEN TOO LITERALLY BY SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO THAT WILL COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, WANT TO BUMP US OVER THE HEAD AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID YOU WERE DOING CHILDREN'S LITERACY AND WHERE IS
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THAT PROGRAM? WELL, WHAT I WILL SHARE ON WEDNESDAY WILL BE SHARED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS WILL EVOLVE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THINGS A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE AS NEEDED, DEPENDING ON AS DEPENDING ON HOW YOUR PRIORITIES CHANGE AS A COUNCIL. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. I BELIEVE THAT WE DIVVIED UP THE ASPIRATIONS AMONGST SEVERAL OF YOU. COUNCILOR FRANCIS AND I ALSO WENT FOR 5 TO 7 BY SPLITTING A COUPLE OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, SUSTAINABILITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE FELT LIKE THOSE WERE AWFULLY DIFFERENT. AND SO WE CREATED ONE CALLED RESOURCE, I THINK SUSTAINABILITY OR SOMETHING RESOURCE. THERE'S A WORD STEWARDSHIP AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TWO SEPARATE ASPIRATIONS. NOW WE ALSO PULLED OUT SOME THINGS THAT WERE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN NATURE FROM SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS AND PUSHED THEM IN THERE. SO THEY'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE PRESENTED IN DECEMBER. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE UNHAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAVE THERE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I THINK I HEARD BACK FROM THREE OF YOU WITH THE DIVVIED OUT ASSIGNMENTS THAT WE GAVE. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SUBMITTED YOUR INPUT, LET ME KNOW SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE I'M NOT. OR IF YOU HAVE SUBMITTED IT, LET ME KNOW SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT I'M TRACKING. SO ANYWAY, ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT, COUNCILOR FRANCIS? COUNCILOR BURTON I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I DID TRY TO BLEND SOME OF THE COMMENTS INTO WHAT WAS THERE. AND IT IT WASN'T IT'S NOT SIMPLE. WE NEED A DISCUSSION RATHER THAN JUST TRYING TO PULL IT TOGETHER REALLY QUICKLY. AND SO I THINK IT'S BETTER IF WE SEE IT AS A LIVING DOCUMENT AND TAKE WHAT'S THERE AS HAVING BEEN ADOPTED IN THE PAST, AND THOSE ARE NICE ASPIRATIONS FOR WHAT A HIGH QUALITY CITY WOULD BE. DO THEY NEED ADJUSTMENT? YES, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME AND MORE TIME THAN THERE ARE STRATEGIES. I THOUGHT IT WOULD. AND THAT'S WHERE COUNCILOR COUNCIL PRESIDENT COMES IN. WE HAVE SOME STRATEGY THAT WE'RE NOODLING ON, RIGHT? YES. BUT NOT TO BE CONCERNED. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO A COUNCIL RETREAT IN WORDSMITH. WRITE THIS DOCUMENT, RIGHT? LIKE THEN YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT COME AT ALL BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A REALLY BORING MEETING. SO THERE IS A LOT THERE'S MORE. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT WORDSMITHING. IT'S LIKE THERE WERE JUST SOME OF THEM ON THERE THAT WE LOOKED AT. IT'S LIKE DO WE HAVE THAT, IS THIS EVEN AVAILABLE. IS THIS AN ASPIRATION. WHERE DOES IT FIT ON OUR LIST. BECAUSE IF IT REALLY IS AN ASPIRATION WE WANT TO DO IT, THEN IT BECOMES A PRIORITY AND WE WOULD BUDGET FOR IT. BUT IF IT'S NOT REALLY A PRIORITY, IT CAN STILL BE AN ASPIRATION BUT MIGHT FIT LOWER ON OUR LIST. SO. IS EVERYTHING OKAY? WELL THEN I THINK WE MAY BE READY TO[Executive Session]
MOVE ON. AND MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT ASSUMING THAT YOU WILL VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AFTER THAT MOTION IS MADE, THEN MAYBE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND. IF ANYBODY NEEDS A BIO BREAK, IT'S 417 ON THIS CLOCK. AND SO I WOULD SAY LET'S GIVE OURSELVES NO LATER.LET'S TRY TO BEGIN THE WHAT IS IT CONFERENCE ROOM NO LATER THAN 425, BUT IDEALLY SOONER IF YOU CAN. AND WE'LL SAY TO OUR CITY CLERK WHEN WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO HAVE TO GO INTO THAT. WE TYPICALLY WILL HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY TAKE NOTES IN THAT SETTING. AND I GUESS I WILL TURN TO IS IT COUNCILOR FRANCIS TO MAKE THE MOTION? I'D LIKE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. I MOVE COUNCIL, I MOVE COUNCILOR MOVE INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT'S BEING CALLED PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF IDAHO CODE SECTION 74-2061F TO COMMUNICATE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE PUBLIC AGENCY TO DISCUSS THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF, AND LEGAL OPTIONS FOR PENDING LITIGATION OR CONTROVERSIES NOT YET BEING LITIGATED, BUT IMMEDIATELY LIKELY TO BE LITIGATED. COUNCIL WILL NOT RECONVENE AFTER THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMMINENTLY NOT IMMEDIATELY. OH SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. SO WITH THAT MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR NEWMAN, CITY CLERK. WILL YOU CONDUCT A ROLL CALL? VOTE ON THE MOTION. FRANCIS. A DINGMAN? YES. FREEMAN. YES. LARSON. YES.
RADFORD. ALL RIGHT. BURTENSHAW. YES. MOTION CARRIED. MAYOR. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE DO NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN HELP BRING COUNCILOR FREEMAN INTO THE MEETING. INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION TO COME IN AND HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DIALING IN PROPERLY. I'M NOT WELL TRAINED ON THAT
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