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MY EYES.AND SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THE
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MEETING TO ORDER, UM, THE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM,HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM HIM? OKAY.
UM, AS WE KNOW, HE COMES FROM WORK AND SOMETIMES HE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DELAYED.
SO, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN TO, UH, OUR ACTING CITY CLERK.
UM, JASMINE, WOULD YOU BE SO KINDEST TO CALL THE ROLE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAW HERE.
COUNCILOR BRADFORD NOT HERE YET.
UM, AND YOU CAN LET THE RECORD INDICATE THAT HE, UH, COUNSELOR REDFORD DID SEND, UM, A NOTICE SAY THAT HE WAS RUNNING BEHIND.
UM, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A PRETTY FULL AGENDA THAT COULD COUNT UP ALL THE MINUTES.
IT'LL TAKE US TO THE END OF, TO THE, OF OUR THREE HOUR BLOCK.
AND SO WE'LL JUST GET STARTED.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM, UH, INVOLVES
[Municipal Services, Public Works, and Legal Departments]
QUITE A FEW FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, ANY OF YOU WHO THINK YOU MIGHT GET SOME QUESTIONS TO COME FORWARD.UM, AND, AND, UH, JOIN US AT THE TABLE UP HERE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A PORTABLE MIC FOR THAT TABLE? I THINK WE DO.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, UM, THE TOPIC IS, UM, UH, WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE BIDS THAT WERE RECEIVED, UH, FOR THE FRONTIER CENTER LOBBY, UH, PROJECT.
UM, AS, UH, MANY OF YOU KNOW, UM, THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT, UH, WE DID A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, WE, THAT THE CITY, UM, BENEFITED FROM A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDRAISING THAT WAS DONE BY, UM, A FOUNDATION THAT WAS ESTABLISHED TO DO THAT FUNDRAISING.
UM, AND WE ALSO, UH, RECEIVED THAT, UH, VERY SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION FROM THE FRONTIER CENTER, WHICH RESULTED IN RENAMING THE FACILITY.
AND, UM, SO NOW WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO CONSIDER.
'CAUSE WE WERE GOING TO BE USING ARPA FUNDING FOR THIS.
AND, UH, THAT HAS ADDED SOME, UH, ELEMENTS TO THE, UH, TO THE PROJECT THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE, UM, INVOLVED AND COMPLEX.
SO, UH, TAKE SOME NOTES AS YOU'RE HEARING LISTENING TODAY.
AND, UM, MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ONLY ASK A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION AND WE'LL SAVE THE DEEP PHILOSOPHICAL ONES FOR THE END FOR OUR DISCUSSION.
AND, UH, WE'LL LET, UH, PAM AND CHRIS AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY KIND OF GET STARTED ON THIS.
BUT I KNOW THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE ROOM WHO MAY BE ABLE TO LEND THE INSIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME THIS AFTERNOON.
SO, BEFORE I FORGET, I WANNA JUST REMIND EVERYBODY WHO, UM, MAY NOT BE AWARE OF.
BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, A, A CIVIC CENTER COMMITTEE.
IT WAS ADOPTED THROUGH ORDINANCE BACK IN ABOUT 2016, AND NOW IT'S BEEN NAMED TO THE FRONTIER CENTER, UM, COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THAT COMMITTEE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE, THE, THE OPERATIONS AND THE FUNCTION OF THE ACTUAL AUDITORIUM, UH, SINCE ABOUT 2016 AND EARLY ON, THEY DEVELOPED A THREE PHASE PROCESS FOR THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY THAT'S OVER 70 YEARS OLD.
THE FIRST PHASE WAS THE ACTUAL AUDITORIUM ITSELF, AND TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO REMEMBER THE OLD UNCOMFORTABLE ORANGE CHAIRS THAT WE HAD, UM, THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH THE STAGE, THERE WAS AN ISSUES OF A VARIETY OF THINGS.
AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS FULLY COMPLETED AS PHASE ONE BACK IN 2018.
UM, WE RECEIVED A GENEROUS DONATION FROM BILL AND SHIRLEY MAY, ALONG WITH THE MAY FAMILY FOUNDATION, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT PHASE OF THE PROJECT COMPLETED.
NOW WE'RE ON PHASE TWO, AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PHASE THREE.
PHASE TWO IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY, AND THAT'S OUR LOBBY EXPANSION.
AND THEN POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD, PHASE THREE COULD BE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, AND THAT'S BEHIND THE STAGE.
THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THE, THE PERFORMERS CHANGE AND GET READY AND ALL THAT KIND OF FUN STUFF.
SO WE ARE ON PHASE TWO OF POSSIBLE THREE, UH, OF THE, UM, PROJECT.
SO I ALSO WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T THANK MY COLLEAGUES HERE.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, ASSISTANCE FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CHRIS FREDRICKSON, AND OUR, OUR PUBLIC WORKS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, UH, CHRIS CANFIELD.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL, UM, ON THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION BID PROCESS AND IN ASSISTING MUNICIPAL SERVICES ALONG WITH OUR ARCHITECTS, A KM AND STUDIO I.
WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH, I CALL IT CHRIS SQUARED.
THEY'RE, UM, THE, THE BEST AT THIS TYPE OF, OF PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS A VERY LARGE PROJECT.
AND, UH, BOTH OF THEM WERE FRESHED OFF OF THE ACTUAL LEASE FACILITY PROJECT.
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TO HELP US WITH THIS.SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DO IS WE ACTUALLY, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RENDITION HERE OF WHAT THE PROPOSED, UH, PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S COMPLETED.
AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A KM ARCHITECTURE AND STUDIO.
I, THOSE ARE TWO ARCHITECTS, UM, IN IDAHO TO HELP US, UH, DEVELOP THIS PLAN.
UM, WE ALSO HAD A, UH, CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, LED BY OUR CIVIC, UH, FOUNDATION, THAT'S A 5 0 1 C3 THAT HELPED, UH, DEVELOP SOME CAMPAIGN, UH, FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES.
AND SO, UM, THIS HAS REALLY BEEN A LOT OF WORK BEHIND THE SCENES BY A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO THE FRONTIER CENTER.
IT'S BEEN IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, INVENTORY FOR OVER 70 YEARS.
IT'S USED BY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE, THIS POSSIBILITY THAT'S COMING, UM, HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO WITH THAT, UM, WE DID ISSUE BIDS.
UM, SO A TOTAL OF SIX BIDS WERE RECEIVED.
UM, THEY WERE RECEIVED LAST WEEK, LAST MONDAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
AND THE BIDS RANGED FROM 7.19 MILLION TO 9.6 MILLION.
AND THE TOTAL PROJECT ESTIMATE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE ACTUAL BID SPECIFICATIONS ITSELF, THE TOTAL, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT TOTAL PROJECT COST, THAT WOULD BE YOUR DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION.
THE TOTAL PROJECT COST ON THE ACTUAL BID SPECIFICATIONS STATED THAT IT WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE UNDER 7 MILLION.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WITH THE RANGE OF BID THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS AT.
AND THIS PICTURE'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, UM, RENDERINGS OF WHAT, UM, IT COULD BE AS FAR AS THE LIVE EXPANSION PROJECT.
UM, ALONG HERE YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS IS THE BID TABULATION THAT WAS, UM, CREATED LAST MONDAY WITH THE OPENING OF THE BIDS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SIX VENDORS THAT, UH, BID ON THE PROJECT.
AND AS YOU CAN ALSO SEE HERE, THE LOWEST IS CONSTRUCTION SOLUTIONS AT 7.1 MILLION, ALMOST 7.2 MILLION.
AND ALONG THE BOTTOM HERE, ARE THERE SUBS THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TO US.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING AND, AND, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CAN CONFIRM THAT THE LICENSE HAD BEEN CHECKED.
SO WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, UH, PICKUPS ALONG THE WAY.
WE DID HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE BID SPECIFICATIONS ITSELF.
UM, THERE WAS A TITLE IN THE BID SPECIFICATIONS THAT STATED A MANDATORY PRE-BID MEETING.
UM, IT WAS ON PAGE TWO, SECTION 1.1, 0.4, AND IT SAID HERE, I QUOTED HERE, PRE-BID MEETING FOR ALL BIDDERS WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 14TH, 2024 AT 10:00 AM LO UH, LOCAL TIME AT THE PROJECT SITE.
AND THEN BELOW IT, AND MORE OF WHAT WE CALL A LITTLE BIT OF A FINE PRINT WAS, UH, PROSPECTIVE BIDDERS ARE REQUESTED TO ATTEND.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, UM, WE HAD, UH, RECEIVED AT LEAST THREE PROTESTS TO THAT BECAUSE WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS WHEN THE BIDS WERE OPEN LAST WEEK, WE HAD, UM, MORE THAN ONE, UH, CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT SAID, WELL, HEY, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THE APPARENT LOW ATTENDED THE MANDATORY PRE-BID MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON NOVEMBER 14TH.
SO, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO, IF I MAY, WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, UH, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.
'CAUSE WE DID DO A REVIEW OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE LAST WEEK.
SO IT'S A QUESTION OF, UH, INTERPRETING THE CONTRACT AND THE BIDS ARE, ARE PART OF THE CONTRACT, AND THERE'S A RULE THAT, UH, WE USE TO, TO SORT OUT WHAT CONTRACTS MEAN, WHAT THEY DON'T MEAN CALLED THE CANNONS OF CONSTRUCTION.
AND USING THOSE CANONS OF CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT SURPRISE YOU TO LEARN THAT THIS SORT OF ISSUE WITH A HEADING AND THE TEXT OF A CONTRACT HAVE COME, HAS COME UP BEFORE.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THERE'S EVER BEEN, UH, A DISPUTE ABOUT IT.
AND IT'S BEEN A DISPUTE THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED IN A PARTICULAR WAY BY THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.
AND THE RULE IS THAT THE HEADINGS AND TITLES ARE OF USE WHEN THEY SHED LIGHT ON SOME AMBIGUOUS WORD OR PHRASE HEADINGS.
AND TITLES ARE NOT MEANT TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE DETAILED PROVISIONS OF THE TEXT, AND THEY CANNOT LIMIT THE PLAIN MEANING OF THE TEXT.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE THAT IS THAT THE CITY'S GOTTA SORT OUT HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE TEXT OF THE BID WAS AMBIGUOUS OR UNCLEAR OR, UH, WHETHER IT WAS CLEAR WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS WERE FROM THE TEXT ITSELF.
SO THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS THAT ADDRESS, UH, THE
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PRE-BID MEETING AND THE LANGUAGE THERE SAID THAT, UH, A PRE PRE-BID MEETING FOR ALL BIDS WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 14TH AT 10:00 AM LOCAL TIME AT THE PROJECT SITE PROSPECTIVE BIDDERS ARE REQUESTED TO ATTEND.SO THAT'S THE FIRST LANGUAGE, THE FIRST SENTENCE THAT ADDRESSES IT.
THE SECOND, UH, SECOND TIME THE PRE-BID MEETING WAS BROUGHT UP WAS IN THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE BID.
IT SAID THE OWNER WILL MAKE THE EXISTING FACILITY AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING AFTER THE PRE-BID CONFERENCE.
ALL CONTRACTORS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE IS IF THE WORDS ENCOURAGED AND REQUESTED IS UNCLEAR, IF THOSE WORDS ARE UNCLEAR ON WHAT'S EXPECTED, THEN WE LOOK AT THE TITLE TO HELP US SORT OUT WHAT THE MEANING WOULD BE.
TO ME, THE WORDS REQUESTED AND ENCOURAGED ARE NOT UNCLEAR.
THEY EXPRESS PREFERENCE, BUT ONE THAT IS NOT A DUTY, IT'S ONE THAT YOU COULD, UH, IGNORE.
SO IF YOUR FRIEND INVITED YOU TO, UH, THEIR HOUSE FOR A CHRISTMAS PARTY AND YOU DIDN'T ATTEND, DON'T OWE YOUR FRIEND ANYTHING MORE THAN AN APOLOGY MAYBE THAT YOU COULDN'T BE, BE THERE.
IF SOMEBODY REQUESTED YOUR ATTENDANCE SOMEWHERE YOU DIDN'T APPEAR, NO ONE WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT YOU DIDN'T SHOW UP.
AND SO, IN MY LEGAL OPINION, UH, THIS DID NOT CREATE THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE BID DOCUMENTS DID NOT CREATE A, A DUTY FOR SOMEONE TO BE AT THE PRE-BID CONFERENCE.
ALTHOUGH THE HEADING DOES SAY MANDATORY BID MEETING, IT'S THE ONLY REFERENCE TO MANDATORY ACTION THE ENTIRE BID DOCUMENTS.
SO BECAUSE THAT'S A HEADING, I WOULD, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO FOLLOW THE CANON OF CONSTRUCTION LAID DOWN BY THE SUPREME COURT AND, UH, ONLY USE THE HEADING IF THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THERE IS SOMETHING AMBIGUOUS IN THE LANGUAGE THE COUNCIL DOES THINK THERE'S SOMETHING AMBIGUOUS IN THE LANGUAGE, THEY SHOULD REJECT THE LOWEST BIDDER AND, UH, AWARD IT TO THE NEXT HIGHEST BIDDER THAT ATTENDED THE MEETING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ELEMENT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? I'LL SAY THAT I DID MAKE AN INQUIRY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS POTENTIAL, UM, AMBIGUITY OR THIS PERCEIVED AMBIGUITY BY SOME, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IF THAT, UH, HAS BEEN CORRECTED FOR FUTURE BIDS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL USE THIS EXACT, UH, BID LANGUAGE IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S A TEMPLATE THAT CAN BE, UM, FIXED, IT WILL BE JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE, IF, IF WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO HONOR THE, UH, WHATEVER
THEN, THEN WE JUST REOPEN IT FOR BIDS.
YOU CAN REJECT ALL BIDS UHHUH AND REOPEN FOR BIDDING, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT REALLY A FOR PRACTICE.
UH, BUT COUNSEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DENY, UH, AWARDING THE BIDS FOR ANY REASONS, INCLUDING, UH, CONFUSION CREATED BY THE COUNCIL.
I I MEAN, I KNOW YOU GUYS DIDN'T WRITE THE BID INSTRUCTIONS, BUT IT'S YOUR BIDDING DOCUMENT AND THEN WE REWRITE THE BID INSTRUCTIONS WITHOUT THE MANDATORY HEADING, PROBABLY.
UM, OR WITH IT, IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE THERE, I MEAN, I THINK, AND THEN TO FOLLOW THAT UP, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, I KNOW WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG IN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PRICE THAT WE GOT BACK, BUT I THINK IT WAS HIGHER THAN WE WERE EXPECTING.
AND, AND SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A PREFERABLE THING TO DO IS TO REDID IT BECAUSE WE MIGHT GET A LOWER BID OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK SO.
IT, IT'S NOT A BEST PRACTICE TO, TO REBID SOMETHING.
I, I, I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST WHEN WE GOT THINGS THAT WERE WAY OUTTA ESTIMATE AND WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
TURNED THEM ALL DOWN AND THEN REOPENED IT.
AND WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT IF IT'S, IF IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT YOU WANTED, IS TO SEND OUR ARCHITECT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND TO SHARPEN OUR PENCIL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD RESULT IN A CHEAPER THING.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE WHEN WE'VE REFI PROJECT THAT'S COME BACK TO EXPENSIVE, WE'LL NARROW THE SCOPE OF THAT PROJECT.
AND I GUESS IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT, WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF THOSE OCCURRENCES LAST YEAR WHERE WE HAD SOME BIDS THAT WERE SO HIGH, BOTH EQUIPMENT PURCHASES AND ALSO PUBLIC COURTS CONSTRUCTION, IN THAT WE GENERALLY DID GO BACK AND TRY TO, UH,
BUT WE ALSO BID THOSE THE FOLLOWING YEAR, SO IT WASN'T SOMETHING BACK TO BACK.
SO YOU'LL HAVE PROBABLY JUST AS MANY PEOPLE THAT WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT, NOW MY BID NUMBERS ARE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
HOW DOES THAT IMPACT, IF THAT'S WEEKS LATER, RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT THEY CAN USE TO THEIR ADVANTAGE OR NOT.
COUNSEL JUST INTERESTED IN OUR LIABILITY
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IF WE MAKE THE DETERMINATION TO GO, AND THEN WE GET WE'RE PROCEEDING AND WE START IN WHAT'S OUR LIABILITY, WHAT'S OUR RISK MANAGEMENT? SO SCENARIO, TYPICALLY THE TYPICAL PRACTICE FOR A DISAPPOINTED BIDDER IS TO SEEK AN INJUNCTION, UH, FROM THE DISTRICT COURT TO, TO KIND OF, UH, PUT A HAUL ON A WARD WITH THE PROJECT.AND, UH, WE WOULD TAKE THAT UP, UH, PROBABLY IN QUICK ORDER.
AND THE COURT WILL EITHER CHOOSE TO ISSUE A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION OR NOT.
UH, TYPICALLY A COURT WILL NOT ISSUE AN INJUNCTION IF IT DOESN'T, IF THE COURT'S NOT CONVINCED THAT THERE'S CONSIDERABLE EVIDENCE THAT THE PERSON ASKING FOR THE INJUNCTIONS GONNA PREVAIL.
SO WE WOULD KNOW THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY.
THOSE ARE PROBABLY OUR CONSEQUENCES.
THERE'S A STRONG PREFERENCE IN THE LAW TO, UM, LOOK AT THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE PUBLIC PURCHASING RULES, WHICH ARE TO ARRIVE AT A LOWER PRICE.
THIS IS THE LOW BIDDER, THE APPARENT LOW BIDDER.
AND, UH, IF THEY'RE
SO MAYBE IF THE CITY'S DISQUALIFIED EVERYONE BUT THE THIRD, FOURTH LOWEST BID AND AWARDED THAT, THAT WOULD BE STRONG SUGGESTION THAT THE CITY WAS DOING SOMETHING IMPROPER.
AND WOULD THE JUDGE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO THROW OUT ALL THE BIDS AND NEVER LEAVE IT OR TO TAKE THEM IF THEY COULD DICTATE TO US TO TAKE THE 7 27 OR SO, WHAT A COURT WOULD DO IS THEY TAKE UP THE DISPUTE, WHATEVER WAS BEING RAISED, SO THEY WOULD TAKE UP THIS ISSUE OF INTERPRETATION, IT WOULD LOOK AT THE CITY'S LEGAL ARGUMENTS.
WE WOULD POINT TO THE DECISIONS THAT THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS MADE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I'M SURE OTHERS COULD RAISE OTHER ISSUES.
AND A COURT WOULD RENDER A DECISION AT THAT POINT.
UH, THE COURT WOULD, WOULD EITHER MAY MAKE ITS INJUNCTION PERMANENT OR, UH, GIVE US ANOTHER DIRECTION.
AND THAT MIGHT BE TO NULLIFY THE AWARD TO THE LOWEST BIDDER AND REMAND THE DECISION BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE COURT'S ORDER.
QUICK QUESTION, JUST, UH, IN CASE STILL LIABILITY, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE HOW OFTEN, UM, DO, UH, I GUESS PROTESTORS, THAT'S NOT QUITE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT SOMEONE WHO, UH, OR AN ENTITY THAT PROTESTS A BID AWARD OR, OR PROCESS, HOW OFTEN DO THEY CONSULT WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS BEFORE THEY COME? UM, WITH THAT, I MEAN, I, I TYPICALLY THINK IT'S MORE OF A, AN OBSERVATION, HEY, IS IT MANDATORY THEY WEREN'T THERE? KIND OF A THING.
AND IT'S DONE MAYBE MORE ON THE FLY THAN WITH DEEP CAREFUL LEGAL ANALYSIS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I, UH, THINK THAT IN THE CONVERSATIONS I, I'VE USUALLY BEEN INVOLVED WITH, IT'S BEEN WITH ATTORNEYS AND NOT LAY PEOPLE.
SO MY GUESS IS THAT SOMEBODY'S CONSULTED SOMEBODY.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I I THINK I'VE GIVEN YOU MY GOOD, BEST LEGAL ADVICE.
I DON'T THINK THAT I'M OUT ON A LIMB, BUT THERE'S ROOM HERE TO HAVE DEBATE PROBABLY.
UH, LISA, UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS THAT, UM, JUST FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL TO KNOW, BUT I KNOW THAT THE, UM, DIRECTORS NOTICE WAS A CONCERN WAS THAT, UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING MAYBE GIVEN EXTRA IN THE MANDATORY MEETING THAT WOULD'VE LIKE MORE INFORMATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN ASSURED THAT EVERYTHING IN THE BID DOCUMENTS WAS WRITTEN.
SO THERE ISN'T LIKE, OH, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PAINT THE INSIDE OF THIS LOT.
YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T MORE SPECIFICATIONS GIVEN IN THAT MANDATORY MEETING.
IT WAS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE BIDDING DOCUMENTS IS REFERENCED IN THEIR BID PRICES.
THERE ISN'T ANY EXTRA INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN IN THE MANDATORY MEETING.
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN NEW INSIGHTS, BUT THEY WOULD BE HELD TO THAT BID COUNCIL.
WELL, JUST A QUESTION, KIND OF TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THE HEADING MEANS.
DOESN'T IT MEAN THAT THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO HOLD THE MEETING? DOES IT ACTUALLY CORRECTLY? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THAT IN THE CANNONS OF CONSTRUCTION, THAT HEADINGS AND, UH, TITLES OF, OF THINGS ARE, ARE USUALLY FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE READER, DO NOT USUALLY HAVE ANY PRONOUNCED LEGAL EFFECT.
IN FACT, BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, THEY NEVER DID BECAUSE COURTS JUST ASSUMED THEY WEREN'T PART OF THE ACT AT ALL.
SO THAT TRADITION IS CARRIED FORWARD IN OUR LEGAL, UH, TRADITION AS THAT TITLES ARE THERE REALLY WITH
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THE IDEA THAT IT'S GONNA HELP YOU NAVIGATE THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS.SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SECTION, OH, WHAT SECTION'S THAT, INSTEAD OF THROWING OUT A NUMBER OR A LETTER, YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CITY CODE, UH, THE PARKING OF THE AIRPORT REGULATION.
RIGHT? I, I COULD ALSO SAY TO YOU, I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT SECTION 9 4 9.
THAT WOULD ALSO GET YOU THERE.
UH, BUT WHEN A COURT'S GONNA INTERPRET WHAT PARKING AT THE AIRPORT ORDINANCE MEANS, THEY LOOK AT THE WORDS OF THE ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO THE TITLE.
AND THAT'S THE SAME WHEN YOU'RE INTERPRETING A CONTRACT.
CONTRACTS OFTEN HAVE HEADINGS FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE PARTIES TO NAVIGATE THE DOCUMENT, BUT THEY, BUT THE TITLES ON THEIR OWN, THE HEADINGS ON THEIR OWN, THAT DOCUMENT DO NOT CONTROL THE OVER THE PLAIN LANGUAGE AND DON'T REPLACE THE PLAIN LANGUAGE THAT'S WRITTEN THERE.
BECAUSE I WOULD READ IT THAT THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO HAVE THAT MEETING SCHEDULED IT, AND THEN THE PARAGRAPH TELLS YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO COME OR YOU REQUESTED TO COME, LIKE THE VERBAGE YOU READ.
AND BECAUSE HEADACHES ARE USUALLY ATED AND, AND CONTAIN ONE OR TWO WORDS, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ANY LEGAL DRAFTER TO SUM UP THE WORDS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THE ENTIRE PARAGRAPH.
WHICH IS WHY WHEN WE ARE INTERPRETING CONTRACT, WE, WE LOOK AT THE WORDS THAT WE'RE GIVING TERRIBLE THOUGHT BY BOTH PARTIES.
THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE WORDS THAT EVERYONE WAS READING AND TRY TO DEFINE WHAT IT IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD'VE EXPECTED THOSE WORDS TO MEET.
SO WHEN YOU READ THE WORLD WORDS REQUESTED TO ATTEND, UH, ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND, UH, DO THOSE INVOKE A RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU MUST ATTEND? IN MY, IN UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE WORDS MEAN THEY TYPICALLY DO NOT INVOKE A DUTY, BUT A PERMISSIBLE, OPTIONAL, UH, KIND OF DISCRETIONARY THING FOR YOU TO DO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CANNON CONSTRUCTION? SO I, THESE ARE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES THAT ARE SOPHISTICATED AND CAPABLE.
I WOULD SURPRISE ME THAT THIS DIDN'T, DID YOU GET ANY EMAILS TO ASK THE QUESTION? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE I WOULD'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE I DID.
'CAUSE OR BEFORE THAT MEETING TOOK PLACE, I WOULD'VE WANTED TO KNOW, IS THIS MANDATORY? I SEE BOTH THINGS WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS, BUT YOU DIDN'T, MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE DIDN'T GET ANY REQUESTS, UM, ASKING SPECIFIC A CLARIFICATION.
AND DID YOU GET THREE OUT OF THE EIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT THE TITLE WOULD BE MANDATORY, OR, I DUNNO HOW MANY, I I WILL SAY THAT ONLY ONE OF THE BIDDERS THAT BEEN ON THIS PROJECT DID NOT ATTEND THAT MEETING, AND IT WAS THE LOW BIDDER.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHEDS ANY LIGHT ON THE COUNCIL'S DECISION.
HERE IN THE INSTRUCTION TO BIDDER SECTION, THERE IS EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS TO GET FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, AND THAT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE BIDDER'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM TO BE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
AND IT OFFERS THE MEETING AS AN OPTION IN ADDITION TO, IT WAS THE MEETING, IT WAS THE PRED.
WHAT THAT LANGUAGE SAYS IS, BEFORE SUBMITTING THE BID, EACH PROSPECTIVE BIDDER SHALL FAMILIARIZE HIMSELF WITH THE WORK, THE SITE WHERE THE WORK IS TO BE PERFORMED, LOCAL LABEL LABOR CONDITIONS AND ALL LAWS, REGULATIONS, AND OTHER FACTORS AFFECTING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE WORK.
HE SHALL CAREFULLY CORRELATE HIS OBSERVATIONS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS AND OTHERWISE SATISFY HIMSELF ON THE EXPENSE AND DIFFICULTIES ATTENDING TO PERFORMANCE OF THE WORK.
THE SUBMISSION OF A BID WILL CONSTITUTE A REPRESENTATION OF COMPLIANCE BY THE BIDDER.
THERE WILL BE NO SUBSEQUENT FINANCIAL ADJUSTMENTS OR LACK OF SUCH FAMILIARIZATION, NO STATEMENT MADE BY ANY OFFICER, AGENT OR EMPLOYEE OF THE OWNER IN RELATION TO THE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS PERTAINING TO THE SITE OF THE WORK WILL BE BINDING ON THE OWNER.
THE OWNER WILL MAKE THE EXISTING FACILITY AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PRE-BID CONFERENCE.
ALL CONTRACTORS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND.
SO IF YOU'RE READING THAT LANGUAGE, THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU COME AWAY FROM THAT LANGUAGE AS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU MUST ATTEND THE PRE BIG CONFERENCE TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK? I MEAN, I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH SOMETHING.
I COULD SEE SOMEONE SAYING, WELL, I CAN'T MAKE THAT CONFERENCE, BUT I'M GOING TO A CONFERENCE CONCERT THAT'S GONNA BE AT THE FRONTIER CENTER, AND I'LL JUST WALK AROUND WITH THEM.
OR YOU CALL ED OR YOU CALL HER PRIVATE, UH, TOUR OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT A BIDDER COULD BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT, ASIDE FROM ATTENDING THE PRE-BID CONFERENCE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WAS DELIVERED AT THE PRE-BID CONFERENCE THAT WOULD HELP YOU SUBMIT
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A, UH, A MORE PRECISE BID.UM, IT MIGHT BE TRUE, BUT THE, THE LANGUAGE SAYS NO STATEMENT MADE BY ANY OFFICER, AGENT, EMPLOYEE OF THE OWNER IN RELATION TO THE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS RETURNING TO THE SITE WILL BE BIND ON THE OWNER.
THE IDEA OF BEING THAT THEY'RE IN THE BID SPECIFICATIONS THEMSELVES.
SO YOU, YOU A BID OR SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING AT THEIR DISPOSAL GOING THROUGH THE PLAN DOCUMENTS AT THIS PARTICULAR BID DOCUMENTS ALTOGETHER, WE TALKING IN 300 PAGES MM-HMM
IT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE THAN THAT.
I I LOOKED AT IT, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY LENGTHY DOCUMENT.
THERE'S EXHAUSTIVE INFORMATION ON WHAT THE PROJECT IS, THE PROJECT SITE.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE MANY WAYS THAT ONE COULD BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK, ASIDE FROM ATTENDING THE MEETING.
AND EVEN IF ONE DID ATTEND THE MEETING, AND LET'S SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GAVE THE TOUR, WHO GAVE IT TO OR CHRIS, UH, IT WAS THE ARCHITECT, BUT THERE WAS A SIGN IN SHEET WE SHOWED UP.
SO EVEN IF THE ARCHITECT GAVE KIND OF HIS OPINIONS ON THEM, THEY ARE NOT BINDING ON THE OWNER IN RELATION TO THE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS PERTAINING AT THE SITE THAT'S IN THE BIDDING INSTRUCTIONS ITSELF.
ANYONE WHO FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH BIDDING INSTRUCTIONS WOULD KNOW THAT, UH, THEY'RE RELYING ON THE PRE DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES, IN MY OPINION.
CAN WE MOVE WITH ANOTHER QUESTION? WAS THIS, WAS THIS DOCUMENT HERE, UM, GIVEN TO THEM AND, AND I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE ON THERE WHERE IT SAYS ATTENDED THE PRE PRE-BID AFTER THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AFTER.
I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHERE THE, WHERE THE PROTEST CAME FROM IS THAT PEOPLE LOOK AROUND WHEN THEY'RE AT A MEETING AND THEY CAN SEE WHO'S THERE.
THEY, I THINK THE IDEA WAS THAT NOBODY SAW THE LOW BIDDER AT THE SITE DURING THE MEETING.
AND THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED THE, A PROTEST.
THERE, THERE WAS ALSO AN AMENDMENT ISSUED AND ATTACHED TO CORRECT ME ADDEND, IF I'M WRONG.
UH, AN ADDENDUM ISSUED, AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS ON THE BACK PART OF THAT ADDENDUM ISSUED TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED.
UM, THERE WAS A LIST OF THE ATTENDEES, THE SIGNAGE SHEET WAS DISTRIBUTED, IT'S FOR SUPPLIERS TO GIVE BIDS TO PROSPECTIVE VENDORS AND STUFF.
SO FOR THE, THE, UH, POST REVIEW OF THE LEGAL REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION, UM, THE, HERE'S THE PROJECT FUNDING.
UM, THIS, UH, PROJECT FUNDING DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ARTISTIC DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT, UH, THERE WAS A PLAN TO, THERE'S A PLAN TO BID THOSE UNDER A SEPARATE ARTISTIC PACKAGE.
IT'LL BE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, GIVES THERE SOME ARTISTIC ELEMENTS, UM, RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
LIKE, SAY, SAY FOR EXAMPLE HERE.
BUT IF YOU COULD SEE ON THIS PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME LIGHTING AND THERE'S SOME OTHER TYPES OF ARTISTIC TYPES OF, UH, ELEMENTS IN THE DESIGN.
THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
UM, IT WAS INTENDED ALL ALONG TO BE AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION BID.
SO, UM, THE PLAN IS, IS TO GET THAT OUT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
UM, BUT JUST WITH THE CONSTRUCTION BID ITSELF, WITH A LOW BID OF 7.10, 7.2 MILLION, THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION FUND SHORTAGE OF APPROXIMATELY 2 MILLION, $2 MILLION.
UM, I WILL SAY THOUGH THAT, UM, APPROXIMATELY A TOTAL OF 4.7 MILLION OR APPROXIMATELY 65% OF THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION TOTAL, UM, HAS BEEN RAISED.
UM, IT HAS BEEN RAISED THROUGH THE FRONTIER CREDIT UNION, UM, AGREEMENT THAT WE, UM, THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, I BELIEVE WAS LAST YEAR.
AND THAT WAS FOR $3.5 MILLION.
THERE'S ALSO A CHC DONATION OF A HALF A MILLION.
AND THE, UH, IT'S BASED ON A REIMBURSEMENT OF PROJECT EXPENDITURES.
AND THAT EXPIRES OF NOVEMBER OF 2025.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A CAPITAL, UH, CAMPAIGN TEAM.
AND THEY RAISED, UH, A, A, A VERY HEFTY, UH, SUM AMOUNT OF MONEY, UM, WITH, UH, PLEDGES AND DONATIONS AND SOME OF THE PLEDGES ARE, ARE OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
AND THEN FINALLY WE DID GET, UM, A CONTRIBUTION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION FROM THE MAKE FAMILY FOUNDATION THAT WAS DONE, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2019, WHERE THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR CITY MATCH.
SO THE MAKE FAMILY FOUNDATION DONATED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND ASKED FOR THE CITY TO DONATE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED, I BELIEVE, BACK IN 2019.
AND THAT IS STILL PART OF THE PROJECT, UM, AS BUDGETED.
SO TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PIE CHART HERE, I JUST WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE NUMBERS.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE APPROXIMATELY, UM, 65% OR $4.7 MILLION OF, OF ALREADY HAD THE MONEY AVAILABLE.
UM, AND WITH, BUT WE STILL HAVE A FUND SHORTAGE OF APPROXIMATELY 2 MILLION.
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SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, AND I'M GONNA ASK OUR CITY TREASURER TO COME UP HERE TOO, BECAUSE AFTER WE, AFTER WE RECEIVED THE BID OPENINGS AND WE TALKED, UH, WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CIVIC FOUNDATION IS, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER AS A 5 0 1 C3, IT'S A MEMBER OF THREE, UH, THREE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.UM, WE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN WITH THEM AND WENT OVER, UM, WITH THEM WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION SHORTAGE WAS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY, UM, UH, THAT THEY OFFERED TO DO IS ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FOUNDATION, AND THAT'S, UH, LAURA HER WAY, UM, APPROACH FRONTIER CREDIT UNION AGAIN AND LET THEM KNOW OBVIOUSLY THAT THE BID, THE BID RESULTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FRONTIER CREDITS, UH, FRONTIER CREDIT UNION HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY, UM, SUPPORTIVE.
THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I THINK THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS WHERE THEY'VE COME TO TO COUNCIL.
AND I KNOW THAT I HAD HEARD THAT THEY WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT, UH, THEY ACTUALLY SAID, WELL, LISTEN, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, DO AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT CONTRIBUTION OF 900,000 PROVIDED THAT THE CITY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT CONTRACT, EXTENDING THE ADVERTISING AGREEMENT FROM A 40 YEAR TO A 50 YEAR.
NOW THAT 900,000 IS AN ADDITIONAL $300,000 A YEAR THAT THEY WOULD, THAT FRONTIER CREDIT UNION BE WILLING TO PROVIDE TO THE CITY TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
UM, THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED THOUGH, IN HAVING A CITY CONTRIBUTION, UM, AS PART OF THE PROJECT AS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION REAL QUICKLY IS, UM, BACK WHEN THIS, UH, CHART HERE, JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, APPROXIMATELY 900,000 OF THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS ACTUALLY ARPA FUNDS, WHICH ARE REQUIRED TO BE, UM, OBLIGATED NO LATER THAN THE END OF THIS MONTH.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PUT THAT LITTLE SOUNDBITE IN THERE BEFORE MARK STARTS TALKING.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS AFTER WE HAD THAT, AFTER THERE WAS A CONVERSATION WITH FRONTIER CREDIT UNION, UM, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH OUR CITY TREASURER AND JUST TALKING ABOUT THE WHAT'S FEASIBLE, WHAT, WHAT COULD WE DO, WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
AND SO I'M GONNA HAVE OUR CITY TREASURER, MARK
SO PAM, UH, HAS, UH, GIVEN YOU KIND OF A LEEWAY OF WHAT THE EXPECTATION WAS FOR ME WAS HOW WOULD I COME UP WITH A POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO FUND THE $1.4 MILLION IN PROJECT COMP CAPACITY FUND THAT THEY NEED FOR THE PROJECT.
THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DO THIS.
IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF FUNDINGS A QUESTION OF PRIORITIES.
AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST, UM, SEVERAL YEARS WITHIN THE FINANCE, UH, WORKFLOW IS TO TRY AND, AND CREATE FUNDS FOR AVAILABLE PROJECTS AS THEY BECOME A NECESSITY.
AND, UM, SO WE HAVE EVERY YEAR WE COME TO COUNCIL AND WE ASK FOR, TO MOVE FUNDS INTO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
AND SO WITHIN THAT FUND WE HAVE, UM, ONE OPTION IS, IS THAT THAT FUND HAS 4.6 MILLION SITTING IN THAT FUND, WHICH IS AVAILABLE FOR, UM, QS ON UH, CONTINGENCY BASIS, UM, OF WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY PREDETERMINED THAT WE WOULD USE A MILLION OF THAT FOR OUR ERP PROJECT.
AND SO THERE LEAVES ABOUT 3.6 MILLION.
UM, WE DON'T USE THAT FUND, THOSE FUNDS AND BUDGETING PURPOSES BECAUSE THEY'RE INTENDED TO TRY AND GROW FOR OUR CAPITAL PLANNING INTENDED FOR AS THINGS COME AVAILABLE THAT IS OUTSIDE THE BUDGET PROCESS.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WAS THAT WE PURCHASED THE FIRE STATION WITH THE USE OF THESE FUNDS A FEW YEARS AGO, FIRE STATION SET, BUT, AND THAT FINALLY CONTINUES TO GROW UP EVERY YEAR WHEN WITH OUR, UM, BUDGETARY SAVINGS THAT WE INCUR FOR A YEAR.
AND SO THAT IS ONE, ONE PLACE YOU CAN LOOK TO, TO USE THOSE FUNDS THAT THIS PROJECT FITS THAT CRITERIA.
UM, IT WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.
WE OUTLINED WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED FOR THAT, THAT PROJECT, IT DID COME IN, IT WAS HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS FUND COMES INTO PLAY FOR.
UM, THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS LOOK AT DIFFERENT FUNDING OPTIONS AS INTERNAL FUNDING BORROWING FROM EITHER, UH, FROM IDLE FUNDS WITHIN EITHER MERCK OR OTHER CAPITAL, UM, OR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO WITH THAT.
THEN WE HAVE TO OUTLINE EVERY REPAYMENT PROGRAM IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN, THAT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK LATER TO OUTLINE.
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THIS IS HOW WE WOULD DO THE REPAYMENT PROGRAM.UM, THIS IDEA IS REALLY TO COME BEFORE AND SAY, HERE'S YOUR OPTIONS AND IF YOU WANT SOMETHING MORE, WE COME BACK AND GIVE THOSE OPTIONS LATER.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TIED DOWN SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PROJECT TO GO FORWARD.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, DOING AN INTERNAL FUND PROGRAM OTHER, SO THAT'S, SO YOU HAVE ONE USER CAPITAL FUNDS TWO DO AN INTERNAL BORROWING THREE WOULD BE REP REPRIORITIZING THE JOURNAL FUND BUDGET.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD DO.
UM, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE, UM, EXTENSIVE AND MORE WORK FOR US TO GO BACK AND REPRIORITIZE THE BUDGET.
BUT THAT IS ALWAYS AN OPTION IS TO, UH, LOOK AT YOUR PRIORITIES THERE.
OUR LAST, OUR LAST OPTION WOULD BE ALSO LOOK AT OUR, UM, FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE COMING IN THE FUTURE, UM, AND SEE IF WE CAN LEVERAGE SOME OF THOSE, UH, FUTURE REVENUES COMING DOWN LINE.
ALRIGHT, COUNCIL, ER, FIRST QUESTION.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION WAS DO IF WE DID BORROW FROM ONE OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WE ALREADY HAVE A PER SEAT MAINTENANCE FEE AT THE CIVIC.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN GOLFING IS WE, WE, WE BORROWED MONEY, BUT THE PLAN WAS TO PAY IT BACK BY FUTURE FROM THE PEOPLE THAT USED IT.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE ALREADY DO PER TICKET AND WHAT IS THE RATE NOW? YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FACILITY.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY A FACILITY USE FEE THAT'S CHARGED EVERY CONTRACT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE THE FEE SCHEDULE, UM, THAT WE UPDATE, UH, AND WE DO A, UM, BENCHMARKING STUDY.
WE DID ONE, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2023, UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR FEE SCHEDULE AND WE MADE NO CHANGES TO 2024.
THE ONLY THING WE DID IS WE KIND OF SET UP A TIERED SYSTEM, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, UM, LIKE IN AREA PERFORMANCES AND OUT AREA PERFORMANCES.
AND, AND AS A, AS A, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IN REVENUE JUST FROM THE FACILITIES FEE AND ALSO THE FEES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING PERFORMANCES AT THE FRONTIER CENTER IS, IS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ANNUALLY.
UM, AND SO WE DO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.
AND GENERALLY WHAT WE USE THOSE FUNDS FOR IS WE TRY TO ROLL THEM BACK INTO THE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY IN ORDER TO UM, KIND OF TAKE CARE OF THE, THE PATCH AND PAINT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THE OTHER THING, IF I MAY REAL QUICKLY POINT UP BEFORE I FORGET, WE ALSO HAVE A, WHAT WE CALL A MURF FOR OUR SEATS.
UM, THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN VERY COMMITTED TO AND WE'VE BEEN VERY DISCIPLINED ABOUT.
AND THAT IS ABOUT $20,000 A YEAR THAT GOES INTO A SET ASIDE TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE SEATS BECAUSE AS YOU REMEMBER BEFORE IN 2018, WE HAD VERY OLD SEATS.
SO WE'VE BEEN VERY DISCIPLINED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
SO I DIDN'T HEAR AN ANSWER THOUGH IN MY QUESTION.
IS THERE A PER TICKET FEE RIGHT NOW FOR MAINTENANCE? FOR FOR MAINTENANCE? NO, IT'S JUST A FACILITY FEE THAT'S ADDED PER AND IS THAT 500 PER PERFORMANCE? IS IT YOU? OH MY GOODNESS, I DIDN'T BRING THAT AMOUNT WITH ME AND I APOLOGIZE.
I WANNA SAY IT'S PROBABLY LIKE, I WANNA SAY IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SOMETHING PER PERFORMANCE, BUT IS A FACILITY FEE.
IT'S NOT PER TICKET TICKET, BUT IT IS A PERFORMANCE USE FEE, IF YOU WILL.
I, I WANNA MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE YOU SAID BORROW FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
IT'S REALLY NOT ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
WE BORROW FROM, IT WOULD BE OTHER ILE FUNDS WITHIN SPECIAL REVENUE CATEGORIES.
SO IT'S NOT OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
IT WOULD BE LIKE OUR, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS, SPECIAL REVENUES LIKE STREETS, RECREATION, HEALTH INSURANCE, THOSE FUNDS IS WHAT WE WOULD BORROW FROM AS OPPOSED TO POWER OR YEAH, THIS IS JUST GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD FINANCE SUGGEST? WHAT IS YOUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE? I'M INTERESTED, UH, MY ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO EITHER DO, UM, USE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S, THAT'S WHY WE OPERATE THIS PROGRAM.
THE SECOND WOULD BE TO DO EITHER A MIX BETWEEN USING CAPITAL FUNDS AND PARTIAL LOAN.
BUT IF WE GO DOWN THE LOAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DECIDE TODAY HOW THE PARTICULARS WORK.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME FORWARD IN THE 26TH BUDGET CYCLE.
AND WITH THAT WE WOULD COME WITH A RELA IT PLAN OR WITH THAT SOME KIND OF FEE STRUCTURE TO RECOUP THOSE FUNDS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S A BALLPARK FIGURE ABOUT WHAT WE STAND TO LOSE IF WE DON'T MOVE AHEAD, UM, IN A TIMELY MANNER.
UM, AS FAR AS MATCHING FUNDS AND SO FORTH.
WELL, I I CAN GO OVER THAT FIRST AS WELL.
SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE SLIDE BEFORE
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65% OF THIS PROJECT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN RAISED BY EITHER DONATIONS, PLEDGES, AND THEN THE GENERAL GENEROUS, UH, UM, AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR FRONTIER, UH, CREDIT UNION AND TOWN.SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD BE A LARGE, THAT'S OVER $4 MILLION.
UM, THAT, AND WE COULD LOSE THAT IF WE DON'T POTENTIALLY.
BUT THE OTHER THING I WANNA MENTION SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY TOO, AND IS TO TAG ON A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BRADFORD WAS SAYING IS THAT THIS IS AN 18 MONTH 18 MONTH PROJECT.
AND SO THE PLAN HAS BEEN THAT ONCE WE, UM, AWARD THE, THE PLAN WAS IS ONCE WE AWARD THE, THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, THAT WE WOULD GO BACK AND WE WOULD LOOK AT ALL OF OUR REQUIRED, UM, ELEMENTS OF SPENDING DOWN FIRST.
SO THERE'S THE ARPA, THAT'S 900,000 THAT WILL GET SPENT FIRST THAT HAS TO BE SPENT IN THE LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.
THE SECOND ONE IS THE CHC DONATION.
THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT HAS TO BE IN REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT NO LATER THAN THE END OF NOVEMBER OF 2025.
SO THAT RIGHT THERE IS NINE PLUS, YOU KNOW, PLUS A HALF A MILLION.
SO THAT'S WITH AN 18 MONTH PROJECT, WE'RE ANTICIPATING POTENTIALLY NOT NEEDING ANY PROJECT CAPACITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY IS GETTING THE PROJECT CAPACITY, UM, UNTIL EITHER IN THE 25 26 FISCAL YEAR, MORE THAN LIKELY WE ARE LOOKING AT AN 18 MONTH PROJECT TIMEFRAME.
UM, SO, UM, WHAT ELSE WAS I, WHAT ELSE WAS I GONNA ADD? SO THE TIMING OF IT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR, UM, OUR CIVIC FOUNDATION HAS, UH, FUNDS ALREADY DEPOSITED INTO THE ACCOUNT THAT THEY ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO DIS UH, DO A DISTRIBUTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION EXPENSES.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO USE THOSE TWO FIRST.
AND THEN THE THIRD IS WE DO HAVE, UH, PLEDGES COMING IN OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD AS PART OF THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY WITH THE, UH, GENEROUS, UH, CONTRIBUTION FROM FRONTIER CREDIT UNION.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WANTING TO EXTEND THE, THE ADVERTISING AGREEMENT, BUT AGAIN, IT IS MONEY THAT WE COULD GET TODAY.
THEY ARE GIVING, UH, THEY, THEY'RE GIVING US $700,000 A YEAR UP TO $3.5 MILLION AND THEIR OFFER TO THE CITY LAST FRIDAY WAS, UM, AN ADDITIONAL 300,000 TO THE 700,000 THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING, WILLING TO, TO GIVE US.
SO, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY KIND OF COMING TOGETHER.
IT'S JUST WE STILL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE STILL SHORT.
COULD WE USE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND? I, I KNOW IT'S ALL OF ONE POOL OF MONEY, BUT COULD KNOW, COULD WE SPREAD THAT OUT OVER A COUPLE YEARS TOO IN OUR BUDGET AS FAR AS, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA CON WE'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND EVERY YEAR, BUT DEDICATE SOMETHING FROM NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET OR SOMETHING.
THE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT THE CITY FUNDS IT UP FRONT AND THEN WE GET REPAID BACK OVER A FEW YEARS.
SO EITHER WAY THE CITY IS FRONTLOADING THE COSTS, SO IT'S HARD TO SAY YOU'RE FRONT LOADING THE COST AND LOADING YOURSELF MONEY OVER TIME.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THE CITY HAS THE CAPACITY TO, TO MATCH THE 900,000 AND THEN POTENTIALLY TO LOAN OUT THE FIVE, THE REMAINING 500,000, UM, AND THAT, AND COME BACK WITH SOME KIND OF REPAYMENT SCHEDULE WITHIN THE CIVIC PROGRAM.
EITHER THROUGH A, A ADDED FEE FOR MAINTENANCE OR A PROCEED OR SOME OTHER PROGRAM.
ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCING OPTIONS FOR THE TIMING OF FINANCING? ALRIGHT, SO WHAT COMES NEXT? OUR, UH, DISCUSSION AND COUNSEL DIRECTION TO STAFF? SO THERE'S TWO ITEMS. THERE'S THE, THE LEGAL, UH, REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AS FAR AS THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE RESPONSIBLE BID, UM, BASED ON THE, UM, PROCESS THAT WAS FOLLOWED AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION GOES.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, BEING THAT, THAT THERE'S, UH, CONSENSUS TO MOVE ON ON THAT.
THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THOSE $900,000 IN APA FUNDS NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 TO OBLIGATE THOSE FUNDS YES.
NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
AND THEN ALSO SPEND THEM AND EXPEND THEM IN TOTALITY NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE A DRAFT COUNSEL MEMO.
WE'VE GOT OUR LAST SHOT ON THIS PROJECT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS HOPING WE WEREN'T GONNA BE THE LAST ONE, UM, AT THE PARTY, BUT WE ARE.
AND UM, SO OUR LAST OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD UTILIZING THE ARPA FUNDS WOULD BE THIS THURSDAY, UM,
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THE 20TH OF DECEMBER.IS THAT RIGHT OR IS IT THE 19TH? 19TH.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE TWO ITEMS. UM, CITY TRAINING.
DID I MISS ANYTHING? AND ABOUT YOU THINK THAT EXTENDING THE TENURE RIGHT? AND THEN YOU SAY THAT ONE ALREADY.
AND THEN THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT.
I DID NEGLECT TO, TO, UH, TO MENTION THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, A AN EXTENSION OF THE AGREEMENT FROM A 40 YEAR ADVERTISING AGREEMENT TO A 50 YEAR ADVERTISING AGREEMENT.
BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET, UH, AN INITIAL 300,000, UM, UP ALONG WITH THE 700,000, UM, OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S A REALLY, THAT'S THE, THE THIRD PIECE.
BUT THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PRELIMINARILY WORKING ON, BUT WE WANNA BE FULL DISCLOSURE ON THE, THOSE THREE ELEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY AS FAR AS DISCUSSION AND COUNCIL DIRECTION STAFF.
LEMME MAKE SURE I HAVE THE NUMBERS STRAIGHT.
SO WITH FRONTIERS, ADDITIONAL DONATION, 300,000 A YEAR TO THREE YEARS, WE WOULD NEED 1.4.
YEAH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, UM, IS FOR THE PROJECT AND TOTALITY, NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION, UM, BUT IN THE PROJECT CAPACITY.
UM, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU GET AN OLD BUILDING, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE'VE HAD WITH CITY HALL, YOU, YOU START DIGGING IN AND YOU START FINDING THINGS AND, AND JUST A GENTLE REMINDER THAT SHE IS OVER 70 YEARS OLD.
SHE'S PROBABLY LIKE 75 RIGHT NOW.
BUT ANY WHO, UM, SO ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TOTAL PROJECT CAPACITY OF 1.4 TO NOT ONLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE FRONTIER CREDIT UNION, UM, OFFER, BUT ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF CAPACITY FOR THE PROJECT.
JUST IN CASE WE RUN, RUN ACROSS SOMETHING.
WE CAN KEEP THE PROJECT GOING FOR THE 18TH MONTH PERIOD, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
AND WE USUALLY HAVE LIKE 15% THAT'S IN THERE.
THAT'S IN THERE PLUS THE 1.4 BUDGET.
AND THEN MY QUESTION IS OBLIGATING FUNDS BY THE END OF DECEMBER.
WHY IS THIS NOT ALREADY CONSIDERED OBLIGATED? IT FEELS LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR THEORY? WELL, THE AR THE ARPA PROCESS ACTUALLY REQUIRES A GOVERNING BOARD OBLIGATION, UM, TO, TO A SPECIFIC CONTRACT SPREADSHEET DIDN'T SUFFICE.
WELL, PROVING THE CONTRACT IS WHAT YOU NEED.
THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACT CONTRACT, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE A CONTRACT, GET THE AWARD, RIGHT, THE ACTUAL BID AWARD AND ACTUALLY THE COUNCIL ACTION THAT COMMITS THE CITY TO THAT ARC, THOSE ARPA FUNDS FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
SO, UM, THIS COULD BE PLACED ON THURSDAY NIGHT'S AGENDA OR IT COULD BE DONE NOW.
WHEN I DRAFTED THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION OF THE LANGUAGE HERE OR TAKE OTHER INTEREST OR OTHER ACTION DEEMED TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST WAS DESIGNED TO, UH, PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO BE EX UH, TAKEN CARE OF NOW.
UM, AND I, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETIMES A BIAS TOWARD LET'S NOT DO A LOT OF HEAVY DUTY ACTION IN A WORK SESSION.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT UM, WE ARE GETTING A BIT CLOSE TO THE WIRE AND SOME CERTAINTY IS DESIRED, UM, ON THE PART OF A GREAT MANY PARTIES.
UM, IF WE HAD BEEN, UH, HAD A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD EXPERIENCE, WE WOULD'VE APPROVED THE BID AWARDS LAST THURSDAY.
SO WE'RE ALREADY A TINY BIT BEHIND IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, WE, WE HAD ANTICIPATED HAVING A LITTLE MORE CERTAINTY BEFORE WE WERE GETTING DOWN TO THE LAST BIT.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT EVERYBODY? COUNCILOR FRANCIS.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE CAPITAL APPROVE.
WHAT'S THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THAT FUND? THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND? IT'S CAPITAL APPRO.
I THINK WE SHOULD USE THAT MONEY AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT TODAY.
'CAUSE I BELIEVE IN STRUCTURED FLEXIBILITY AND BEING ONE WHO'S OFTEN ARGUED FOR THURSDAY NIGHT DECISION MAKING.
I THINK THIS IS IMPERATIVE TO ACT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE UNDER CONTRACT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
THIS IS, THE CITY NEEDS THIS, IT HAS TO BE DONE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST TOO MANY LOSSES OF TOO MUCH OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S PUT INTO IT.
COUNCILOR FREEMAN, I JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT IF THE, THE PERSON WHO'S, UM, DOESN'T LIKE THE BIDS AND, AND IF THAT GOES TO COURT AND THAT HOLDS US UP, DO WE MISS THAT DEADLINE? YOU WON'T MISS THAT DEADLINE 'CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE IT UNDER CONTRACT BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED THE MONEY.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S ANOTHER DEADLINE NOW IT'S NOVEMBER 25 FOR 500,000 AND THE DECEMBER OF 26.
BUT THE COURT CASE, WE'VE SEEN COURT CASES GO
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A YEAR.UM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN SPEND MONEY ON IN THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE ITEMS AND PRIORITIZING SOME OF THOSE EXPENDITURES.
I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WE GO FORWARD, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
I, I DID NOT MAKE A NOTE OF WITH THE PREFERRED ORDER FOR THE VARIOUS, UH, MOTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MAYBE THE BID AWARD IS ONE PIECE.
AND SO IS THE, UM, SORRY, THE, UM, UH, FRONTIER CREDIT UNION ACCEPTING, UM, YOUR WANT TWO BID.
DO YOU WANT TWO MOTIONS OR DO YOU WANT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IN A MOMENT.
I MIGHT JUST SUGGEST YOU CAN USE THE MIC, JUST YOU BET.
I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO THIS OR WILL BE.
WHAT WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST IS THAT COUNCIL SHOULD DECIDE HOW OR IF THEY'RE GONNA FUND THIS BEFORE YOU AWARD IT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE YOUR DECISION FIRST ON HOW YOU WOULD FUND THIS PROJECT AND THEN, UH, GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS WHO YOU WANT TO AWARD THIS TO.
AND, UH, WHETHER THE LOW BIDDER WAS RESPONSIVE OR NOT, UH, BASED OFF OF THE KIND OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD MORE AT FIRST.
SO WE WE'RE DOING THE DISCUSSION AND DECISION MAKING REFLECTIONS OF IT THEMSELVES.
BUT THAT'S, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY ADVICE, I THINK.
YEAH, I I THINK WE SHOULD START WITH BETTER BIDDING CONVERSATION.
SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE EVEN WANT THINK ABOUT THIS.
AND THEN FROM MY SENSE THAT THE BID, THE ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THE BIDDER SITUATION IS IF SIX OF THE SEVEN SHOWED UP WITH THE MANDATORY, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE INTERESTING TO ME THAT IT, THERE WASN'T MUCH CONFUSION.
ONE PERSON WAS CONFUSED AND THEN THEY BID $700,000 LESS 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE SOMETHING MAYBE OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HOLD IT UP.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT CASES IT SEEMS FAIRLY CLEAR.
SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC THAT THAT COULD DELAY US THREE TO FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS IN COURT IF, 'CAUSE THESE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO, TO FIGHT IT.
LIKE THEY, THESE AREN'T BIDDERS THAT DON'T HAVE RESOURCES LIKE THEY'RE GOING IF THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH IT, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SURE I WOULD FOR THIS SIZE OF CONTRACT, BUT THEY DO HAVE THOSE RESOURCES.
YOU'RE SAYING THROW OUT THE FIRST BID AND GO WITH THE SECOND? NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT.
I SUGGEST WE DO, WE DO WHAT WE GO 7.10, OKAY.
I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO BE AWARE YES.
THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BUILD THIS UP AND THIS COULD BE A REAL HICCUP AND THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE NEXT TWO THINGS, BUT I JUST THINK WHEN SEVEN, WHEN, WHEN, THE THING THAT KIND OF CHANGED MY MIND WAS THAT ALMOST EVERYONE WAS THERE.
I I MEAN EVERYONE BUT THE WINNING BID WAS THERE.
THAT SEEMS, I CAN SEE WHY SOMEONE WENT, OH, COMPARED TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, YOU MAYBE JUST MISREAD IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE FROM THE CITY HAD A MANDATORY, HAD TO HAVE A MEETING.
IS WHAT YOU SAYING THE LANGUAGE MADE YOU THINK? IT SEEMS LIKE MOST REASONABLE PEOPLE THOUGHT THE OPPOSITE.
IT WAS MANDATORY TO BE THERE AS A BIDDER.
SO I MEAN, BUT INDEED IT WASN'T MANDATORY.
AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT, I, I'M FINE GOING AHEAD, BUT I JUST THINK THERE IS ARGUMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE MADE THAT I THINK WOULD BE REASONABLE.
I THINK MY CONCERN ALSO IS YOU COULD REVERSE THAT AND WE DIDN'T ACCEPT THE LITTLE BIT BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD TODAY.
AND WE COULD GET THAT LAWSUIT.
YOU CAN'T MAKE, I TRY TO AVOID MAKING DECISIONS ON LAWSUIT FEARS BECAUSE UNLESS MY ATTORNEY SAYS SO, BUT YEAH.
AND I WOULD SAY THIS IS PROBABLY ONE WHERE YOU'RE DAMNED IF YOU DO, DAMNED IF YOU DON'T.
SOMEONE WILL BE UNHAPPY REGARDLESS OF WHAT COUNSEL DECIDE THAT MIGHT PROMPT A LAWSUIT.
WE WILL RESPOND TO IT EITHER WAY AND WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT YOU, WE HAVE COUNSEL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A $200,000 DECISION TO FIGHT THE LAWSUIT, WHICH IF WE WERE PRIVATE.
SO, UM, I I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO WORK THOSE.
I THINK THAT'S THE RESPONSIBLE THING.
TAXPAYER MONEY SEEMS. SO USING YOUR LOGIC, JOHN, UM, THE, UH, QUESTION MIGHT BE AT THIS POINT IF UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH OF AN OBJECTION, UM, WE CAN MAYBE MOVE FORWARD TO THE HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND THIS BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE APPETITE FOR, UM, GOING AHEAD AND DOING A BID OF WORK TODAY.
IS THAT, UH, EVERYBODY'S FEELING ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE ON THE BID OF WORK.
WE'RE JUST GETTING A SENSE THAT THERE'S NOT SO MUCH NOT, NOT HESITATION FOR DOING THAT.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW TO FUND IT.
UM, IS THERE, UM, ANY LEGAL COUNSEL IN TERMS OF SHOULD THE DONATION
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BE, UM, FACTORED OR, UH, ACCEPTED FIRST BEFORE THE DETERMINATION OF THE CITY'S INTERNAL PIECE? OR SHOULD IT BE DONE ANOTHER WAY AROUND? I I, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE FRONTIER CENTER, UM, UH, OFFER IS KEY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE COULD COME UP WITH A WHOLE AMOUNT OURSELVES OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE HAVING A VERY, UM, UH, HAPPY CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW IF WE HAD TO COME UP WITH WHOLE MAP.THE 900 I THINK IS PIVOTAL IN OUR DECISION MAKING, 900,000.
SO I PREFER THAT WE DISCUSS THAT ONE FIRST.
THE ONLY THING I I'D SAY IS THAT ONCE YOU AWARD THE CONTRACT, YOU'RE ON THE HOOK.
SO IF, UH, YOU, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT YOU'LL SORT OUT THE FUNDING OF IT AFTER YOU AWARD THE CONTRACT, YOU CAN AWARD THAT FIRST.
I, I'M A GUY WHO'S NERVOUS WHEN HE GOES OUT TO DINNER THAT THE MONEY'S IN HIS BANK ACCOUNT
AND SO I, I TEND TO CHECK BEFORE I GO, BUT, UH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A CHECK WON'T CLEAR IT WHILE YOU'RE, WHILE YOU'RE SITTING DOWN TO EAT.
SO I WASN'T PROPOSING, WHAT I WAS PROPOSING IS WE TALK ABOUT FRONTIER FIRST, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE ACCEPTING THAT OFFER.
AND IF YOU DO, THEN WE'LL GO ON TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND IT AND THEN AFTER THAT WE GO, UH, TO AWARDING BID IN THAT ORDER.
ANY OBJECTION THEN? UM, COUNCIL HAW, YOU HAVE A LOT OF INSIGHT INTO THE FRONTIER CENTER, UM, NOT FRONTIER CENTER, BUT THE FRONTIER CREDIT UNIONS OFFER.
CAN YOU JUST SUM IT UP, UH, ONE MORE TIME? SO THIS IS, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE OFFER.
THEY ARE USING, UM, DEPRECIATION AS A WAY TO, UM, GIVE THESE DOLLARS FOR ADVERTISING.
SO THE 3.5 MILLION WAS OVER 40 YEARS.
IT'S HOW THEY DEPRECIATE, EXCUSE ME, THEIR ADVERTISING.
AND SO THIS ADDITIONAL 900 IS WHY THEY'VE ASKED FOR 10 MORE YEARS ON THAT CONTRACT.
IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO OTHERWISE FINANCIALLY, UM, BECAUSE OF, OF HOW THEY CAN FINANCE IT.
UM, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S IN BOLTS OF THEIR OFFER IS IT WENT FROM 40 YEARS TO 50 YEARS.
UM, JUST AS ANOTHER, I KNOW THAT THIS IS WITHIN, I'M TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE MAYOR'S ORDER OF DECISION MAKING.
UM, WHEN WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED WITH THE ARCHITECT ON CHANGING MATERIALS, KIND OF ALL OF THAT STUFF, WE DON'T EVEN, WE DON'T GET CLOSE
I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE 50 YEARS, UH, CONTRACT PRIMARILY ALSO BECAUSE OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING USED THAT ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
UM, THE TERRA, THERE'S JUST CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT I FEEL LIKE ARE MORE DURABLE IS WHAT IS IN THE FRONTIER CENTER NOW.
SO JUST FOR MY OWN OPINION, I WOULD THINK THAT THE 900,000 IS A GENEROUS OFFER.
10 MORE YEARS ON THE CONTRACT.
I 51, I'M NOT GONNA LIFT TO A HUNDRED.
SO I KNOW IT'S BEYOND MY LIFESPAN.
SO I I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S, IT'S A LONG TIME.
BUT, UM, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS PUT INTO IT.
MY OTHER ARGUMENT IS, FOR ME IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE A D BATHROOMS, EVEN JUST THE SMALL ALL DISABILITY THAT WE HAVE AT OUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE, UM, MY HUSBAND GOT HIS ACHILLES HEEL, UH, TEAR REPLACED AND WE HAD TO LEAVE THE BOISE BASKETBALL GAME, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST OVER THE WEEKEND.
IT'S LIKE JUST INCREDIBLE THE CHANGES IN THE LIFESTYLE FROM DISABILITY.
SO FOR ME, ALL ALONG, A DA BATHROOMS SAFETY IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEN SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS, THOSE ARE THE THREE IN MY, IN ORDER OF HOW I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT.
AND SO I WOULD ACCEPT THE 900 AND TACK ON THE 10 YEARS BEFORE I ASK COUNCIL PRESIDENT TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT ACCEPTING, UH, THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL DONATED MONEY AND, UH, IN THE TERMS OF, OF THE ADDITIONAL 10 YEARS? JUST ONE QUESTION, I GUESS.
SEE IF WE HAVE A SPONSORSHIP AND APPETITE POLICY LATER.
ARE WE, YOU KNOW, LEARN ANYTHING THERE THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE THIS DECISION? WHAT WE'LL LEARN THERE IS, UM, WHAT A FUTURE POLICY MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT BEAR IN MIND, WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK IS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AN NAMING RIGHTS POLICY, WHICH WAS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE POLICY IS TO GUIDE ACTION, BUT COUNCIL CONTROLS THE POLICY AND COUNCIL CAN MAKE EXCEPTIONS.
OR IN THE CASE OF THIS, IT PREDATES IT.
SO IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULDN'T APPLY.
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I DID HAVE ONE CURIOSITY QUESTION, BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL COUNCILOR FRANCIS GOES FIRST.WELL QUESTION, WOULD WE HAVE TO SEE THE LEGAL ADJUSTMENT CONTRACT TO MAKE THIS EXTRA 10 YEARS? UH, YES.
SO THIS CONVERSATION'S HAPPENED PRETTY QUICK.
I'VE HAD ONE CONVERSATION WITH, UH, PROCTOR CREDIT UNION'S ATTORNEY, AND, UH, SO I, WHAT, WHETHER THERE'S BEEN AN OFFER MADE OR NOT, UM, IT ISN'T IN WRITING.
WE WOULD BRING TO COUNCIL AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD, UH, COVER IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BROAD STROKES OF THE AGREEMENT ARE, ARE WHAT, UH, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
AND, AND IN FAIRNESS TO PROMPT HERE, IT SOUNDED LIKE THEIR LAWYER HADN'T EITHER.
SO, UH, ROB AND I WILL WORK ON THAT TOGETHER TO IRON OUT WHAT IS IN THE MINDS OF, OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY DETAILS TO PROVIDE TO COUNSEL TODAY.
WOULD IT, WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THE BROAD STROKES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE FROM THE OTHER? SHOULDN'T BE A LOT TO WHEN, WHEN I SAY THE BROAD STROKES, THE, UH, THE $900,000 OVER A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS WITH $300,000 A YEAR FOR IN EXCHANGE FOR A 10 YEAR EXTENSION ONTO THE AGREEMENT ARE THE BROAD STROKES.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN A, A LETTER OR AN OFFER FROM THEIR BOARD.
AND, UH, THAT'S JUST WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THE AGREEMENT.
AND SO, UM, I, IT, THAT JUST IS, UH, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WILL IRON OUT.
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEIR ATTORNEY ON FRIDAY, AND, UH, HE, HE SUGGESTED THAT HE WASN'T SURE WHAT THIS COUNSEL WAS WILLING TO DO.
AND I TOLD HIM I COULDN'T SPEAK FOR YOU, THAT YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELVES, AND THAT I WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT COUNSEL WAS WILLING TO DO AFTER THIS CONVERSATION.
AND I FEEL LIKE I HAVE SOME OF THAT.
AND, UH, IF YOU MAKE AN ACTION, THE STAFF WILL GO AND COMMUNICATE THAT BACK TO THE FRONTIER.
AND I'M SURE THAT WE'LL BRING SOMETHING TO YOU.
WE'LL LIKELY NOT BE READY FOR THURSDAY, BECAUSE I KNOW THEIR ATTORNEY WAS LEAVING, UH, THE LEAVING WORK, MAYBE THE AREA, I WANNA SAY THE COUNTRY, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FANCY THAT IS.
UM, I NOT BECAUSE OF THIS AGREEMENT, NO, BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS.
HE, HE WAS A LITTLE PANICKED BECAUSE HE WASN'T SURE HOW HE WAS GONNA COME TO THIS MEETING TODAY.
AND I TOLD HIM IT WASN'T NECESSARY FOR HIM TO BE HERE.
ALTHOUGH, LIKE ANY MEMBER OF PUBLIC, HE'S WELCOME.
AND I THINK ON THAT, HE DECIDED NOT TO COME.
AND, UH, I SAY GOOD FOR HIM, BUT HE'S ON VACATION, SO WE WON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT READY FOR YOU FOR THURSDAY, IS THE POINT OF ME COMING YOU ALL THE COMMISSION.
I'M GONNA ADD ONE OTHER THING.
UM, I THINK THAT 300 FOR THREE YEARS IS JUST, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT SCHEDULE AS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'M NOT SURE IT WAS FIVE YEARS, FOUR YEARS.
SO IF IT TURNS OUT THAT IT'S 900 OVER FOUR YEARS, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE PAYMENT WAS MADE, ALL OF THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL YEAR SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT.
IT DOESN'T TACK ON AT THE END.
IT'S AS PART OF THE CURRENT SCHEDULE.
SO THAT IS THE, I THINK I FIRST, OH, YES, COUNSELOR, UH, BARSON.
I THINK, I FEEL THAT SOMETIMES SITUATIONS COME BEFORE COUNSEL THAT REQUIRES SOME FORWARD THINKING, AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITY.
AND IF SOMEONE LOOKS AT THIS DECISION, ASSUMING WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, AND THEY LOOK AT IT THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, OR 10 OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW, ARE THEY GONNA SAY, WOW, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THIS HAPPENED.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR OBLIGATION, UH, AS THE COUNCILS TO VIEW THAT ON, ON SOME PROJECTS.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS APPLICABLE, BUT I THINK THIS ONE FITS IN CATEGORY.
I I DO THINK, I DO AGREE WITH YOU.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A SORT OF A JAM OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT JUST ANY OLD PROJECT.
UM, NOR IS IT ANY ONE PERSON'S LITTLE, UH, PET PROJECT.
AND THIS IS A COMMUNITY WIDE, UH, AREA OF INTEREST.
BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, THEIR ATTORNEY BEING AWARE THAT THIS CONVERSATION WAS GONNA HAPPEN DIDN'T EXPRESS, OH GEE, I'M NOT SURE SHE'D BE, IF YOU SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN PUBLIC.
UH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS NONE OF THAT CONCERN.
UH, SIDEBOARDS WERE PUT ON CONVEYING THIS TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, I DO THINK THAT, UH, THE FRONTIER CREDIT UNION, UM, PRIDES ITSELF ON HAVING A GREAT REPUTATION.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW THEIR, UM, OFFERED TO BE, UM, UM, CHANGED FROM WHAT THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE, UM, MUCH LIKE, UH, COUNSELOR LARSON, THAT THERE, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A HIGH DEGREE OF TRUST BECAUSE WE'VE
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ALREADY ENTERED INTO A PARTNERSHIP.AND I THINK WE ARE ALL STILL ROLLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION IN MOST OTHER ASPECTS OF PUBLIC, UH, OUR PUBLIC, UM, INTERACTION WITH THE WORLD.
WE DON'T USUALLY, WE USUALLY SIGN BEFORE WE COMMIT, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, OR SIGN WHEN WE COMMIT OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UH, IN THIS CASE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HARMED BY TRUSTING, UM, UH, BECAUSE EVERYBODY, UH, HAS A GOOD REPUTATION AND WANTS TO KEEP IT.
I THINK COUNCILOR REDFORD HAD SOMETHING WHO SAID, WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR FREEMAN.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
UM, THOSE COMMENTS MADE ME THINK ABOUT THERE'S A LOT OF TAKEOVERS IN BANKS, THERE'S A LOT OF BUYOUTS.
HOW ARE WE PROTECTED IN THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT SO THAT AS WE'RE BEING REIMBURSED OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A REAL CONCERN.
SO THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE AGREEMENT HAVE A PARAGRAPH IN THERE THAT SAY THAT IF THERE'S ANY SUCCESSORS, THEY'RE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT.
SO THE, EVEN IF THE CITY WERE, UH, TO CHANGE, UH, INTO SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THAT.
SIGNIFICANT SEISMIC POLITICAL CHANGES, PROBABLY THAT THERE'D BE ASSURANCE ON BOTH SIDES THAT GO FORWARD.
BUT, UH, MORE TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT UNTIL THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT'S FINALIZED, UH, IT ISN'T, IT'S UNCERTAIN.
AND SO THAT, THAT PART OF IT WOULD BE, YOU WOULD PUT THAT IN YEAH.
AND UNTIL, UNTIL BOTH PARTIES APPROVE THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UH, I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S A FOR SURE THING, BUT THE FUNDING THAT'S IN THE CURRENT AGREEMENT FOR THE 40 YEAR TERM, YES.
AND, UH, THOSE PAYMENTS WILL BE MADE EVEN IF, UH, FRONTIER CREDIT UNION CHANGES, THEY WILL HAVE THE OPTION OF CHANGING THEIR NAME IF THEY'RE SOLD.
AND THAT'S IN AGREEMENT AS WELL.
WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE AT THEIR EXPENSE? YES.
COUNCILOR GREEN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? JUST COMMENTS AND, AND I HAVE SUFFICIENT CONFIDENCE, AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE WITH OR WITHOUT THE, THIS $900,000 THAT WE, WE CAN AFFORD TO DO THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M, I'D BE WILLING TO, TO DO THE CONTRACT FIRST.
I, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE RETICENT TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE MOVE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE FIRST IS THAT WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS CONTRACT AND THEN, AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT.
BUT I, BUT I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT, NO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TOTAL CONFIDENCE THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE AND IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA HURT US.
WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND IF TO FALL BACK ON COMPLETELY, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.
ALRIGHT, SO COUNCIL TRUMAN, RESPECTFULLY, THE CHAIR IS, UH, GOING TO MOVE IN THE ORDER THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDED, UNLESS SIGN OUT VOTED.
SO I WILL, UH, WRITE HEARING MOTION TO SAY THEY WANT TO DO THE CONTRACT FIRST.
SO, BUT WE'RE NOT APPROVING, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT TO APPROVE FROM FRONTIER YET, RIGHT? NO.
SO ALL WE HAVE HAVE IS THE, A BIT OF, I THINK THAT'S THE CONTRACT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
ARE YOU READY? I'M READY TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
SO THE ORDER I LAID OUT WAS THAT WE CONSIDERED, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING ACCEPTING FUNDING FROM FRONTIER.
WE ARE, UM, COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT IN MIND.
IF WE ARE, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SIGN, THERE MAY NOT BE A VOTE TO BE TAKEN, BUT THERE MAY, UH, NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS THAT, UH, WE'RE WANTING OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO, UH, AND OUR, UH, COMMITTEE TO MOVE FORWARD ON GETTING THAT READY TO BRING TO US WHEN THEIR ATTORNEY COMES BACK FROM VACATION.
THEN I WANT TO MOVE ON AFTER WE WRAP THAT UP IN A BOW, IF WE CAN.
I WANNA MOVE ON TO HOW DO WE PROPOSE TO FUND THIS CAPITAL FUNDS INTERNAL, UH, BORROWING FROM IDLE FUNDS, WHATEVER.
ONCE WE WRAP THAT UP, THEN I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE BID AWARD.
BUT I WANNA HAVE A LOT OF CERTAINTY BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE ON THE BID AWARD.
IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT? UH, BUT I'M CHAIRING THE MEETING, SO I'LL, I, AT THIS POINT, WILL CHANGE MY MIND.
ONLY IF YOU TAKE A VOTE OR, OR MAKE A MOTION TO, TO CHANGE.
I'M CONTENT WITH THAT DIRECTION.
AND I WOULD, SO TO ADDRESS THE FIRST ONE, SO WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT SOME BID TODAY.
UM, I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE MONEY FROM FRONTIER.
I WOULD DIRECT STAFF TO, UM, GENEROUSLY ACCEPT THAT DONATION FROM FRONTIER AND RECOGNIZE THAT I WOULD TAKE IT OUT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
THAT'S WHAT IT HAS BEEN MEANT FOR.
I WAS REALLY GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO USE IT FOR THE FIRE STATION.
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UM, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON FRONT, YEAH, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S, THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE ACCEPT THE FRONTIER MONEY, EXTEND THE CONTRACT.WOULDN'T IT BE CLEANER TO DO IT TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS, FIRST MOTION.
WELL, WE'RE REALLY NOT MAKING A, A MOTION, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST SAYING LIKE, WHO, WHO'S GONNA AGREE TO IT? YEAH.
SO I, YEAH, I, I THINK I PROBABLY FOR A MINUTES AND KIND OF WHAT THE CHAIR WAS DIRECTING.
UM, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE FRONTIER, UH, CREDIT, CREDIT UNION TO ACCEPT THE, UH, DONATION AS DESCRIBED WITHIN THIS MEETING.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM JOHN, ROBERT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT PIECE? SO THE COUNCIL'S INTENT IS CLEAR, IF THIS MOTION PASSES, WILL THE CITY CLERK, ACTING CITY CLERK OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THE RIGHT TITLE TO BE HERE, BUT WILL YOU CALL THE ROLE ON THAT MOTION? BEMAN? YES.
SO THE, UM, ALL IN COST WAS, UH, GONNA BE OVER PROBABLY OVER 7 MILLION, OVER 8 MILLION AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? WOULD WE ADD IN SOME OF THE DESIGN AND OTHER PIECES? IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS PROJECT, TOTAL PROJECT CAPACITY OF AN ADDITIONAL 1.4 MILLION.
UM, THAT'S AFTER THE 900,000 HAS BEEN FACTORED IN.
SO, SO THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW THEN IS ABOUT 1.4 MILLION AND, AND WHERE YOU'RE GONNA FIND IT, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD SOME, UH, THOUGHT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, THAT THERE IS SOME INTEREST IN TAKING THAT FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS.
UM, AND SO THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO DO, UH, JUST SAY THAT MUCH RIGHT NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO PUT SOME SIDEBOARDS ON IT, SAY HOW LONG WE'RE GONNA TAKE TO PAY IT BACK, SAY, FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET THE MONEY FROM.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? COUNCIL RECORD.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK WHAT THE TOTAL, SO I'M AWARE, SO THE 1.4 ADDITIONAL GETS US TO EIGHT POINT YEAH, A LITTLE BIT OVER 8 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S A TOTAL PROJECT CAPACITY FOR ANY UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT MAY EMBARK ONCE WE START WORKING ON THE PROJECT.
AND WE HAVE 3.6 MILLION IN THE, WHERE'S MARK
WAS 1 MILLION ALREADY BEING OBLIGATED? 3.6, 2.6, NO, THREE, 3.6.
WE, 3.6 AFTER THE OBLIGATION BALANCE IS 4.6, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1.4 COMING OUT AND RESILIENCY AFTER OUR BALANCE AFTER THE ONE POINT SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO.
BUT I DO THINK I, I LOVE A HYBRID APPROACH, PAYING IT BACK OVER SOME TIME THAT THAT'S HOW WE'RE DOING IT ANYWAY WITH FRONTIER.
BUT I'M OPEN, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE AN EXTENDED PAYBACK ANYWAY.
IT'S GONNA BE TWO, THREE YEARS BEFORE WE PAY ALL THE BILLS ON IT.
SO I'M OPEN TO SOME SORT OF HYBRID WHERE WE TAKE 800,000 FROM THE CAPITAL AND THEN WE DO, AND WE ASSUME WE CAN GET HUNDRED THOUSAND FROM PAYBACK OVER TIME WITH THE FEES THAT WE DECIDE TO LOOK AT.
SO WE MAKE A MOTION TO, OR I'M NOT, I I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY YOU NEED A MOTION MAYOR, WE WOULD NEED BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT TERMS, I, IN TERMS OF WHERE WE DIDN'T REALLY GO TO DIRECT STAFF TO, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE.
THERE SEEMS TO MAYBE AN EMOTION, THERE'LL BE PROBABLY SOME CONSENSUS.
THE SIDEBOARDS AND PAYBACK IS NOT WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
AND IN FACT, OUR CITY TREASURER SAID THAT WE CAN, UH, HAMMER OUT THOSE TERMS IN THE COMING UPCOMING BUDGET CYCLE SINCE WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GET US THROUGH THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR THE PROJECT.
I'D RATHER KEEP IT CLEAN AND JUST DO 1.4 OUT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND AND NOT PLAN ON TRYING TO PAY IT BACK FROM, UM, FRONTIER CENTER REVENUES.
NO, I WASN'T, PARDON? I WASN'T TRYING TO SAY FROM FRONTIER CENTER.
OH, WHAT WERE WE GONNA, SORRY, I'VE MIXED UP FRONTIER BILLING.
FRONTIER CENTER REVENUE IS THAT, AND THE REASON THAT I SAY THAT IS, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HERE MANY TIMES, WHAT ARE THE ONGOING COSTS IN MAINTAINING A BUILDING IS HOW YOU GET 70 YEARS OUT OF IT.
AND WE KIND OF SLIPPED A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON THAT.
AND FORTUNATELY WE HAD THIS SINCE 2016.
DID YOU SAY EFFORT TO BRING IT UP TO STANDARDS? I DON'T, WHENEVER WE'VE BORROWED MONEY BEFORE, WE'VE ALWAYS IDENTIFIED THE REVENUE SOURCE TO PAY IT BACK.
THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME I DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE WHAT REVENUE WE
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TAKE AT FACILITIES USE SHOULD GO RIGHT BACK INTO MAINTAINING IT.OR THE ME FUND FOR SEATS OR WHATEVER, PROBABLY SHOULD BE MORE FUN FOR MORE THINGS THAN THE SEEDS.
I THINK WE JUST DO IT CLEANLY.
WE KNOW IT TAKES US TO 2.2 MILLION IN THE FUND THAT'S LOWER THAN WE'D LOVE, BUT THIS IS WHAT'S THERE FOR AND LET'S JUST USE IT.
AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE STRAINED ENOUGH THAT WE CAN BUILD THAT BACK UP AGAIN TO NOT DEPEND ON A BORROWING CONTRACT.
MY ONLY QUESTION WITH THAT, OR MY ONLY THOUGHT IS TO LISTEN TO ONE OF MY GOLF BUDDIES LIKE JIM FREEMAN SAYING WE DIDN'T GIVE THAT PRIVILEGE TO THEM.
WE SAID THE USERS SHOULD HELP PAY FOR THESE COSTS.
SO WHAT'S THE CONSISTENCY? BECAUSE WE, THE USERS ARE PAYING FOR THE FACILITY TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITY.
EXCEPT WE JUST TALKED THEM OUT.
AND SO THIS ISN'T, WE COULD ARGUE THAT POINT BECAUSE WE JUST GAVE THEM THE NETTING AND THEN THE FURNACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE, THIS IS A BIT PHILOSOPHICAL AND WE CAN ARGUE THAT THE USERS ARE THOSE WHO PAY A FEE TO SIT IN A SEAT.
BUT THERE ARE ALSO ALL OF THE USERS WHO USE THE STAGE AND I BE, IF WE TOOK A POLL EVEN IN THIS ROOM, WE WOULD FIND THAT THERE ARE GREAT MANY FOLKS WHO, UH, WELL, PROBABLY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE RAISED HERE HAD A CHANCE TO BE ON THAT STAGE.
AND I THINK THERE IS A COMMUNITY SENTIMENT THAT THAT IS A, AN EXPERIENCE WORTH SUBSIDIZING, WHETHER YOU WERE THERE FOR A CHOIR, FOR A GRADUATION OR SOME OTHER PURPOSE.
MOST PEOPLE HAVE, UH, HAD EXPERIENCE THERE.
UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE MAY NOT NEED TO BE SOMETHING AS STRICT AS A USER FEED THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR, SAY THAT USE OF WATER OR ELECTRICITY OR WHATEVER.
UH, IT'S ONE THAT'S ALONG THE LINES OF THE ZOO.
IT'S SUBSIDIZED FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE THAT IS TO BE A HIGHER PURPOSE.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, THAT GOES OFF WHEN I'M BEING A LITTLE BIT STRIDENT AND I APOLOGIZE.
UM, SO THE QUESTION IS, IF WE, UH, WANT TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF, UH, CREATING REVENUE OR CREATING REVENUE FOR, UH, MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT PURPOSES, UM, THAT CONVERSATION CAN HAPPEN, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THE BUDGET, OR EVEN BEFORE THE BUDGET GETS APPROVED, NEXT BUDGET GETS APPROVED, WE CAN EASILY THINK ABOUT THAT FOR THE COMING SEASON OR, OR WHATEVER.
SO DON'T YOU THINK WE DO HAVE TO DECIDE THOUGH, IF IT'S ALL GONNA COME FROM CAPITAL, THAT ONE COUNT, OR IF IT'S A HYBRID? I THINK THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IF WE SAY ALL CAPITAL NOW, THEN LATER ON WE COME UP WITH A HYBRID OPTION, GREAT.
REDUCES THE IMPACT ON THE FUND.
BUT AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, TAKING IT ALL FROM CAPITAL GETS US OUT THE DOOR BEFORE 7:00 PM
I THINK WE CAN IDENTIFY IT ALL NOW IN THE CAPITAL FUND.
AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT THE, UM, USER FEES UP FRONTIER CENTER AND HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO MAINTAIN, I THINK IT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
AND I WOULD TRUST MUNICIPAL SERVICES TO COME BACK, UM, WITH SOMETHING THAT SAYS, OH, THIS IS HOW MUCH THE FEE NEEDS TO BE BASED ON ALL OF THE DATA THAT GOES INTO FIGURING OUT, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE, I KNOW IT'S LIKE A 5 0 1 C3, WHETHER THEY'RE LOCAL.
ALL OF THOSE PIECES COME INTO IT.
UM, AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS ADDRESSING MAINTENANCE AND THAT I WOULD JUST EXPECT THAT TO BE AS PART OF THE REGULAR BUDGET DISCUSSION WOULD BE.
CHAIR, WHAT DO YOU WANT? QUESTION ONE MORE ACTUALLY, JUST TO COMMENT IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES AS WE MOVE FORWARD, NOT NOW, BUT DOWN IN LINE WITH THAT, THAT FIRST WE ALLOCATE FUNDS TO DEAL WITH OPERATIONS, MURPH, THAT KIND OF THING.
IF WE HAVE MONEY LEFT AFTER WE'VE GOT BOTH THAT NUT COVERED BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED FORWARD, THEN MONEYS GO TOWARD CAPITAL.
BUT WE PRIORITIZE TO COVER OPERATING WORK AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS FIRST, AND THEN THAT'S WISE.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD ANY EXTRA REVENUES, UM, TO, TO IZE AT THE END OF IT, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD PLAN.
BUT THAT'S WHERE THIS MONEY CAME FROM, IS FROM SALARY SAVINGS THAT WE DIDN'T SAY EVERY DEPARTMENT COULD USE.
WE TOOK IT BACK AND HAD BEEN BUILDING FROM THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.
SO, UM, UH, UH, SO IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, MOTION THAT I'M GOING TO ASK FOR IN A MOMENT, JUST KNOW THAT YOU ARE SORT OF PRE OBLIGATING YOURSELF, UM, TO THE STATE THAT YOU LEAVE THE FUND IN.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALL PRETTY AWARE OF THAT.
AND IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE TAKEN A MIDYEAR ACTION THAT COMMITS US TO SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT, UH, WE DO IT CAREFULLY AND NOBODY CAN SAY, WE'RE NOT DELIBERATING HERE.
SO THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN ON, UH, HOW YOU PROPOSE TO FUND THAT 1.4, UM, RECOMMENDED $1.4 MILLION AMOUNT
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THAT WOULD GET THIS PROJECT OUT THE DOOR OR, OR, UM, ON ITS WAY, MERRILY ON ITS WAY.I, I MOVED COUNCIL, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO APPROPRIATE THE NECESSARY MONEY FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR ACCEPTING THE CONTRACT FOR THE REMODELING FUNDS.
DO WE NEED A NOT TO EXCEED? I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT COUNCIL FREEMAN SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT THE CAPPING IT.
BUT IF IT ENDS UP 2.3, I'M STILL WILLING TO SUPPORT IT WITH MY MOTION.
IF THE OTHER FALLS THROUGH COUNSEL WOULD, IF IT, YEAH, IF MORE THAN 1.4 NEEDED COUNSEL WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
SO IT CAP IS PRETTY BUT NOT NECESSARY.
SO YOU, YOU'RE SAYING CHAIR THAT 2.3 BECAUSE I'LL VOTE FOR IT IF IT'S NOT GONNA GO TO 2.3, BUT AT 1.4 I'LL VOTE FOR VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY NUMBER IT MOVE TO USE THE CA YOU'RE MOVING TO USE THE CAP ONE PERMIT FOR $1.4 MILLION VOTE.
OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
IS THE MOTION CLEAR ENOUGH FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO, UM, PROCEED? OKAY.
UM, AGAIN, WE'LL ASK THE CITY CLERK.
UH, IT'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
WE'LL ASK THE CITY CLERK TO CONDUCT IT UP.
AND THEN I HAVE THE LANGUAGE FOR THE NEXT MOTION.
I MOVE THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE PLAN THAT SPECIFICATIONS AND AWARD THE AWARD TO THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE, RESPONSIBLE BIDDER CONSTRUCTION SOLUTIONS IN THE AMOUNT OF $7,190,104.
AND GIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS FOR ANYONE? I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, I HOPE THAT THE LOWEST BIDDER IS LISTENING AND WATCHING AND, UH, KNOWS THAT, UH, ANY ADJUSTMENTS AFTER THE FACT, YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFULLY CONSIDERED BEFORE THEY'RE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL.
THIS IS HARD PUBLIC LENDING TO COME BY.
UH, CITY CLERK, CAN YOU CONDUCT THE VOTE? SHAW? YES.
I THINK WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD NOW.
UM, WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD EFFORT TODAY, UH, BY OUR, UH, CITY STAFF, UM, AND A LOT OF YOUR CAREFUL DELIBERATION, COUNSEL.
SORRY IF I SEEM A LITTLE GRUY.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME STAYING AWAKE.
I THINK I PROBABLY NEED A COOKIE AND A NAP.
WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
UH, THIS DID GO A LITTLE LONG.
WE HAVE A SERIES OF REALLY SHORT ITEMS, BUT I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND WE'LL RECONVENE AT FOUR 30.
WE CALL OURSELVES BACK IN THE ORDER.
ON BREAK FOR ANOTHER FIVE, 10 MINUTES, EASILY.
IT'S KIND OF NICE TO SEE PEOPLE IN A DECENT MOVE, ESPECIALLY AFTER AN HOUR AND A HALF CONVERSATION.
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TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND INVITE JUDGE DIRECTOR SAND TO COME FORWARD.YOU HAVE, UH, TWO THINGS TO BRING TO US.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, JUST GIVING US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND INFORMATION ON, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE COMING TO US FROM THE STATE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION OFFICE.
UH, ANXIOUS TO HEAR MORE AND LEARN MORE AND MAYBE PEPPER YOU WITH A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR HAVING US.
I HAVE WITH ME, UH, CAITLYN LONG.
SHE'S, UH, ONE OF OUR LONG RANGE PLANNERS AND SHE IS OVER HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR THE CITY.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, FIRST IS TO INTRODUCE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE AND WHICH IS A, A VOLUNTARY COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY QUITE AN EXCITING TIME FOR US IN THE PLANNING WORLD, UM, JUST TO GET SOMETHING INITIATED.
AND CAITLIN HAS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF, OF CARRYING THAT LOAD.
SO WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU, UH, ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT, WHAT TO EXPECT, KIND OF THE WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, AND WHY OF IT.
AND ALSO GIVE YOU A TIMELINE TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING COMING IN THE SPRING FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO CAITLYN LONG
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FOR US.UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL FOR TAKING SOME TIME TODAY TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS.
HOPEFULLY THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE AND FUN FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, AND WHEN I WAS CREATING THIS PRESENT PRESENTATION, I WANTED TO THINK OF A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE IS, THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME THAT ANYTHING FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, COMMISSION HAS COME TO THE COUNCIL.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED ON THE REGULAR.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO FIRST KIND OF DO IS GIVE YOU A, A BACKGROUND OF THE COMMISSION OVERALL.
AND, AND WE'LL BE QUICK FOR THIS ONE.
UM, OUR COMMISSION IS A SEVEN MEMBER ADVISORY COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND THE CONSENT OF THE COUNCIL.
UM, TWO OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS USUALLY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TRAINING, UM, AS IT RELATES TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
NOW, SOME WHAT YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW IS THAT WE, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, THE FIRST ORDINANCE COURT WAS IN 1987.
SO OUR COMMISSION HAS BEEN AROUND 4 36 YEARS.
UM, AND A PART OF THAT IS THAT IT'S A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH I'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN AS WELL.
AND WE'VE BEEN A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT SINCE, UH, 1987 AS WELL.
SO THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN LONGSTANDING.
UM, AND IT IS OUR FIRST TIME HAVING THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN.
NOW THIS PLAN WAS FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT, UM, AND THAT GRANT, UH, WAS FUNDED THROUGH THE CLG PROGRAM.
AND OF COURSE THERE'S A LOT OF ACRONYMS, SO I TRY TO BREAK THEM ALL OUT AND IF I MISS ONE.
BUT, UM, THE CLG PROGRAM IS OPERATED BY THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, WHICH WE, UM, CALL SHIPPO.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT.
PEOPLE SAY HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THEY THINK, UGH, YOU ARE GONNA TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO TO MY BUILDING.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE PLAN IS NOT REGULATORY.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUTREACH EDUCATION FOR THE CITY.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO KIND OF TAKE, UM, KEEP TRACK OF WHAT IS IN OUR CITY DOCUMENT, OUR BUILDINGS, AND OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I POINTED THAT OUT FOR US.
UM, SO, AND, AND WHAT YOU ALSO MIGHT BE THINKING IS, IS THERE REGULATORY ACTION THAT HAPPENS WITH THE COUNCIL WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION? UM, AND SO I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT MOST OF OUR REGULATORY OR PROGRAMS, UH, OR INTERACTIONS ACTUALLY HAPPEN WITH STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, OR SHIPPO.
NOW, EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY HAS A STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
IT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
UM, AND IT'S A PART OF THE IDAHO STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
IT'S A, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THAT, UH, DEPARTMENT ON THE STATE LEVEL.
NOW, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, THEY REALLY ACT AS A SHEPHERD THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO ADMINISTER SOME FEDERAL PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE NATURAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, A SECTION 1 0 6 REVIEW, OR A FEDERAL TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.
SO OFTENTIMES OUR COMMISSION AND OR CITY STAFF IS, UM, COLLABORATING ON THOSE DIFFERENT ITEMS. AND I BRING THESE UP 'CAUSE THEY ARE GONNA BE IN THE PLAN.
NOW, A PROGRAM THAT THEY RUN IS THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, AND WHAT THAT WAS IS THAT'S AN ACT THAT WAS CREATED IN 1980 THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO TAKE PRESERVATION AND BRING IT DOWN TO A LOCAL LEVEL.
SO 10% OF THE FUNDING THAT, UM, SHIPPO GETS FROM THE NPS IS FOR GRANT PROGRAMS FOR OUR CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
SO IOWA FALLS IS ONE OF 40 CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THE STATE.
IT CAN BE A COUNTY OR IT CAN BE A CITY.
UM, AND THEY ADMINISTER THAT CERTIFIED LOCAL GRANT PROGRAM.
NOW IN THE, SINCE ABOUT 2013, WE'VE RECEIVED ABOUT $50,000 IN GRANT MONEY FROM THIS PROGRAM FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, AND THAT MATCH CAN BE DONE THROUGH IN KIND AS IN STAFF HOURS.
SO A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN MATCH A GRANT WITH JUST STAFF HOURS OR COMMISSION HOURS, UM, AND NOT NECESSARILY REAL FUNDING.
KAYLYN, WHAT IS THE GRANT PERCENTAGE? YOU SAID MATCHING? IT'S A, IT'S A 50 50%.
UM, AND SO SOME OF THE, UH, SO NATURAL REGISTER, HISTORIC PLACES OUR COMMISSION WILL, UH, REVIEW THOSE, SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO SHIP OUT FOR THOSE.
UM, SECTION 1 0 6 REVIEW IS ESSENTIALLY WHEN FEDERAL FUNDS ARE USED FOR A PROJECT.
UM, THEY ARE IN A, IN A, IN AGENCIES USING FEDERAL FUNDS FOR A PROJECT SUCH AS ONE YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST HEARD ABOUT THE FRONTIER CENTER, UM, THOSE ARPA FUNDS A SECTION ONE SIX ROUTE IS DONE THROUGH SHIPPO.
AND THE CITY AS STAFF, AS I USE THE ROLE WITH THE COMMISSION, CAN PARTICIPATE IN MITIGATION EFFORTS.
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SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A MITIGATION EFFORT MIGHT BE, LIKE, I PARTICIPATED ONE WITH I-N-L-I-N-L WAS USING FEDERAL FUNDS TO TAKE DOWN A BUILDING.THEY DETERMINED BASED ON CRITERIA THAT IT WAS HISTORIC AND THEY HAD TO BE MITIGATION, A RESOURCES LOST.
HOW CAN WE REPLACE OR HOW CAN WE ADD ONTO THAT? AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELATED PER SE.
UM, FOR THE INL ONE, THEY ENDED UP, UH, TAKING ALL OF THE NEWSPAPER.
UM, THEY DIGITIZED ALL OF THE ARCO, LIKE THE CITY OF ARCO HAS A NEWSPAPER.
THEY DIGITIZED EVERYTHING FROM LIKE 1940 TO CURRENT.
SO THAT WAS THE MITIGATION THEY DID FOR TEARING DOWN THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND AND I THINK IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WE'LL SEE MITIGATIONS, I THINK, UH, IS OR THE FREEWAY RIGHT? US 20 THAT COULD HAVE MITIGATION EFFORTS TO IT.
AND, AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT OUR PLAN IS WE HAVE THINGS IN OUR PLANS THAT CAN HELP THE, THE MITIGATION EFFORTS FOR THAT.
CAN CHIPO MANDATE MITIGATION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, UM, ALL IN THEIR PROGRAM, THAT'S NOT A, A FEDERAL LAW, THE FEDERAL REGISTER, OR IF IF THERE'S NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT USING FEDERAL FUNDING, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SECTION 1 0 6 REVIEW.
OKAY? SO IF IT'S A CITY PROJECT, BUT THERE'S NO FEDERAL FUNDING, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE THAT, THAT FEDERAL FUNDING, THAT'S GONNA BE THE KEY COMPONENT OF IT.
UM, AND SO SHIPPO REALLY ENCOURAGED ALL OF THEIR CGS TO HAVE THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN.
AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE.
UM, AND SO GRANT WAS AWARDED IN 2023 FROM CHIP FOR $15,000.
UM, AND YES, THE ADVERTISEMENT IS QUITE GREAT, UM,
AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, DEDICATED $10,000 IN, UH, THE CPS BUDGET FOR THAT.
THE PLAN IS A 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND IT REALLY DOES GIVE ACTIONS, TASKS, GOALS OF THE COMMISSION AND I THINK STAFF AS WELL.
AND YOU'LL KIND OF SEE LIKE WE FORMATTED IT SO WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, THINGS STAFF CAN DO, THINGS COMMISSION CAN DO, AND IT CAN KIND OF HELP WITH SOME OF THOSE FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE BEING ADMINISTERED.
THAT'S AN ADVERTISEMENT THAT WAS IN A CHICAGO NEWSPAPER BACK IN 1894.
ONE OF THE FIRST MENTIONS OF IDAHO FALLS.
SO I, I DON'T
PARDON? IT IS A GIANT YOUNG CITY OF DESTINY.
UM, I DON'T RECALL THE GRANT ACCEPTANCE GOING THROUGH MY OFFICE OR THE COUNCIL.
UM, THIS THIS 2023 $15,000 GRANT, IF YOU TELL ME HOW WE GOT IT AND WHAT IT WAS USED FOR.
SO THE GRANT, SO, UM, WE DEVELOPED THE PLAN, I GUESS, YEAH, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SIGNED THE GRANT, UM, UH, APPLICATION THAT IT WAS SENT THROUGH.
AND THEN WE BUDGETED TO MATCH IT, THE 50 50 SIDE OF IT.
SO WE, IT CAME OUT OF CDSS BUDGET.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, I'LL ENCOURAGE YOUR OFFICE TO, UM, OR MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A CITYWIDE DIRECTOR'S CON DIRECTOR'S CONVERSATION ABOUT RECEIVING GRANTS.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO RECEIVE THEM OFFICIALLY AND OTHER TIMES WE DON'T.
AND WE'RE NOT SUPER CONSISTENT THERE.
AND THE GRANT IS A REIMBURSABLE GRANT.
UM, AND SO ESSENTIALLY WE DO THE WORK AND ONCE, ONCE CHABOT GETS THE PRODUCT THAT THEY GRANTED FOR, THEN WE WOULD FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK AND WE'RE REIMBURSED FROM THERE.
UM, SO PART OF THE PLAN, WE DID HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN.
IT WAS DONE, IT WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE DONE IN-HOUSE FROM 2018 ON.
UM, AND EVENTUALLY AS THINGS GO, IT, IT WAS, WE DECIDED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO IT.
UM, AND OF COURSE THAT PACKAGE COMES WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH, BUT WE MADE SURE TO UTILIZE THE POP TOOL.
SO WE USED THE POP TOOL AND AS IN WE, WE STAFF DID IT SEPARATELY AND THEN WE DID IT ALL TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE KIND OF WERE, UM, MAKE GETTING THAT RIGHT NUMBER AND WE WERE ALL THINKING THE SAME WAY.
UM, AND THEN WE MADE SURE THAT WE SHARED, WE KIND OF COMPARED THOSE OUTREACH TOOLS THAT WE USED ON THE POP TOOL AND WHAT THE CONSULTANT WAS, UM, PREPARING FOR US.
AND WE WORKED WITH OUR PIO, WE WORKED WITH ERIC.
HE'S BEEN EXCELLENT TO HELP US WITH THAT OUTREACH AS WELL.
SO PART OF OUTREACH IS WE DID A SURVEY, UM, BETWEEN JUNE 4TH AND AUGUST 19TH.
UM, ERIC WAS GREAT IN GETTING PRESS RELEASE OUT, SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, WE ALSO UTILIZED NEWSLETTER THIS, SO I-F-D-D-C, IOWA FALLS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION HAS A GREAT NEWSLETTER THAT WENT OUT.
THE MUSEUM OF IDAHO WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PUT IT IN THEIR NEWSLETTER NEWSLETTER, WHICH GOES OUT TO 1500 PEOPLE.
UM, AND OUR COMMISSION ALSO WENT OUT AND DID PRESENTATIONS TO I-F-G-D-C, GREATER IDAHO FALLS REALTORS, THE ELKS CLUB.
UM, I'VE DONE PRESENTATIONS AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
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AND SO WE REALLY TRIED TO GET THE WORD OUT FOR THIS SURVEY.UM, AND THAT RESULT WAS 197 RESPONSES.
NOW THE QUESTION MIGHT BE, IS THAT GOOD? UM, AND SO I DID SOME COMPARISON.
THE CITY OF POCATELLO IS ALSO DOING A, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN AT THE SAME TIME USING THE SAME CONSULTANT.
SO WE DOUBLED, ALMOST DOUBLED.
UM, AND THEN THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE IS ALSO WORKING ON THEIR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, AND THEY GOT STATEWIDE ON THEIR SURVEY ABOUT FIVE TO 600 RESPONSES.
SO I FEEL CONFIDENT IN THAT 197.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S COMPARISON, THAT'S NOT TOO BAD.
NOW THOSE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THAT SURVEY RESPONSE WAS TAKEN IN AND THE FIRST DRAFT WAS CREATED.
UM, BUT OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH DOESN'T STOP FROM THERE.
SO FIRST DRAFT WAS REVIEWED BY SHIP O STAFF AND THE COMMISSION, UM, AND THE SECOND PUBLIC DRAFT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, 2024.
AND FROM THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE ON JANUARY 14TH AT 6:00 PM HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
OUR CONSULTANT WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION.
WE'LL BE BOARDS, UM, DISPLAYED WITH SOME OF THE ACTIONS AND STAFF IN THE COMMISSION WILL, AND THE CONSULTANT WILL BE THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I MET WITH ERIC THIS MORNING AS WELL TO HELP WITH THE OUTREACH FOR THAT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THAT PUBLICIZED.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT THE OPEN HOUSE IS GOING BACK TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HEARD 'EM WHAT THEY WANTED IN THE PLAN AND, AND THAT WE WERE KIND OF CAPTURING THAT.
SO SOME, THESE ARE SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS FROM THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THAT SURVEY THAT WE DID.
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE HAVE INTEREST IN LOCAL HISTORY, UM, BUT THEY DEFINITELY WANT MORE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE MUSEUM WILL GET CALLS ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING, HOW DO I, I HAVE A HISTORIC HOME.
HOW DO I KEEP IT UP? RIGHT? UM, AND SO I THINK THAT GIVES US AN IDEA THAT WE WANT TO CREATE PARTNERSHIPS AND WE WANT TO CREATE, UM, RESOURCES FOR THESE HOMEOWNERS WHO DO HAVE INTEREST IN, IN DOING THINGS TO THAT HISTORICAL LIGHT LEVEL.
UM, EVERYONE LOVES OUR DOWNTOWN.
IT'S A WONDERFUL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UM, AND KIND OF WORK OUT FROM THE CENTER OF THE CITY.
WE'VE ALWAYS, FOR SOMETHING TO BE HISTORIC, IT HAS TO BE 50 YEARS OLD, ESSENTIALLY, WHICH MEANS A LOT OF THE CITY IS HISTORIC.
UM, AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO ALSO THINK ABOUT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
UM, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CITY WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, NOT JUST DOWNTOWN, BUT A LOT OF OUR DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT MEANS WE'RE LOOKING AT 1985 WOULD BE 50 YEARS, WHICH IS CRAZY THINGS THOUGH, RIGHT? UM, OF COURSE ALSO THE SURVEY KIND OF SAID FOCUS WORK ON DOCUMENTATION, DESIGNATION, UM, INTERPRETATION THAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO KNOW.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT QUITE EASILY, LIKE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? UM, SO INTERPRETIVE PANELS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ASKED IN OUR SURVEY, WHAT'S MISSING? WHAT KIND OF HISTORY DO YOU THINK IS MISSING FROM THE CITY? SO SOME OF THAT IS THAT CULTURAL RELIGIOUS DIVERSITY POST WORLD WAR II HISTORY, UM, THAT WE'D LOVE TO FOCUS ON AS WELL.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR WEBSITE IS ROBUST, IT HAS RESOURCES FOR IT, AND THAT WE CAN FIND WAYS TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO PEOPLE AS WELL.
NOW THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE KIND OF THE, THE FOUR DIFFERENT BUCKETS, I GUESS, OF LIKE TASKS AND ACTION ITEMS THAT, UM, THE PLAN IS SEPARATED IN.
AND THAT'S KIND OF FROM HOW CHABOT HAS, HAS ASKED US TO KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN.
A PART OF THAT IS SURVEY DESIGNATION.
WHEN I SAY SURVEY I IN THIS, UH, SENSE, A RECONNAISSANCE LEVEL SURVEY, BASICALLY IT ENDS UP BEING TAKING STOCK OF LIKE A CERTAIN AREA, RIGHT? SO THE LAST SURVEY THAT WAS DONE WAS 2016.
UM, IT WAS THE KEEFER EDITION, AND THAT IS, UH, CUS PARK, UH, THOMAS DRIVE.
SO IT'S THE STREET RIGHT ABOVE THOMAS PARK.
BASICALLY, THEY'RE TAKING NOTE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE AND ALL THE DOCUMENTATION OF IT.
AND THE SURVEYS CAN BE IMPORTANT FOR A FEW REASONS.
ONE, IT COULD SHOW YOU IF IT WANTS TO BE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THINGS SUCH AS NATURAL DISASTERS.
I'VE HEARD STORIES WHERE A TORNADO, A HURRICANE COMES IN, TAKES EVERYTHING OUT.
FE'S GONNA COME IN AND ASK YOU, WHERE ARE YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS? WHERE ARE YOUR SURVEYS? RIGHT? IT, IT GIVES AWAY FOR HOMEOWNERS TO KNOW, UM, THERE CAN BE FUNDING TO IT.
SO JUST KIND OF KNOW WHAT'S IN YOUR CITY AND TAKE STOCK OF THAT.
UH, ANOTHER ONE YOU MIGHT SEE IS NATIONAL REGISTER.
HISTORICALLY, DOWNTOWN, OUR DOWNTOWN IS NOT A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, IT'S BEEN ATTEMPTED A FEW TIMES, STARTING IN 84 OR 2009.
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TRIPLES REALLY THINKS IT CAN BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR DOWNTOWN.THERE CAN BE, IF THEY'RE A PART OF THE DISTRICT, THERE'S FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS FOR REHABILITATION THAT THEY CAN ACCESS.
UM, AND THEY NEED TO BE A PART OF THAT DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY WILL BE WORKING ON AS WELL.
PUBLIC EDUCATION, AGAIN, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SUPPORT BUILDING OWNERS, INTERPRETIVE PANELS.
OUR COMMISSION HAD A GREAT IDEA OF MAYBE DOING, LIKE THE AIRPORT, HOW MANY AIRPORTS YOU GUYS LAND IN, RIGHT? AND YOU, AND YOU SEE THEY TALK ABOUT THE CITY THAT YOU'RE LANDING IN.
UM, WE THOUGHT THAT'D BE A GREAT WAY TO MAYBE WORK WITH THE AIRPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR INTERPRETIVE HISTORY AS PEOPLE LAND IN NIGO FALLS.
THIS NEXT PART IS GONNA BE, UM, POLICIES, INCENTIVES, LIKE KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE SECTION 1 0 6.
THE OTHER ONE IS SUPPORTING OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT INTERNALLY TO, UM, KIND OF PRESERVE CHARACTER AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
I WOULD SAY ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS REALLY ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN SOME WAYS.
HOW DO THEY GET OUT OF THEIR OWN WAY? UM, AND SO THERE'S IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS BEING HAD.
ON TOP OF THAT, THIS STATE DOES NOT HAVE STATE, UM, HISTORIC LOCAL DISTRICT LIKE CREDITS.
THERE'S NO STATE, UM, INCENTIVES.
AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY, 30, 32, 33 STATES HAVE THOSE INCENTIVES.
AND SO IT COULD BE THE STATE LEVEL WORKING ON THAT, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN HELP SUPPORT.
UM, JUST SO PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE MORE ABILITY TO RESTORE THEIR HOMES TO THAT HISTORIC NATURE AND, AND HAVE THAT TAX CREDIT.
UM, TRAINING AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMISSION AND FOR STAFF.
UM, THROUGH SHIPPO, THEY, GRANTED THEY GAVE US A GRANT TO DO A CONFERENCE.
THIS, UM, UH, SUMMER I WAS ABLE TO GO TO ORLANDO FOR A CONFERENCE, UM, THROUGH SHIPPO GRANT FUNDS TO KIND OF LEARN A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT TRAINING INTERNALLY, LIKE OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS AND INTERPRETING BUILDING CODES FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS AS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO, HOW DO THEY, HOW CAN THEY INTERPRET THE CODE TO MAKE IT SO WE CAN, WE'RE NOT JUST CUTTING PEOPLE OFF, RIGHT? I THINK SOMETIMES WE'VE HEARD SOME OF THAT.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG FOUR PARTS, UM, OF THE PLAN.
AND THEN THE NEXT PART IS GONNA BE THE TIMELINE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE AT THAT SECOND DRAFT BEGINNING OF JANUARY, UM, THAT OPEN HOUSE IN ON JANUARY 14TH, UM, FINAL REVISIONS BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY.
AND I'M GONNA, AND I PUT, BECAUSE AS PROJECTS GO, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU EXACT DATES BECAUSE THOSE WILL PROBABLY CHANGE, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THE, UH, HVC DO A COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IN MARCH, APRIL.
AND THEN WE'RE HOPING TO TAKE THAT PLAN, UH, TO YOU ALL IN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ADOPT THE PLAN IN APRIL, MAY.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPRING DAY AND YOU GUYS CAN REVIEW THAT PLAN AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHEN I WROTE DOWN ANYWAY, I KNOW ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY, THEY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW A BUILDING AND I PUT UP A BRASS PLAQUE ON IT OR SOMETHING.
DOES THE STATE HAVE ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR DO YOU KNOW, WOULD WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WHERE, WHERE IF, IF, IF YOU APPLIED FOR IT TO BE A HISTORIC BUILDING, THEN YOU DENOTED SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE ON THE BUILDING? SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THE ONLY, THE OPTION IS THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
HISTORIC PLACES, AND IT CAN BE A BUILDING OR A DISTRICT.
THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ON THE STATE LEVEL.
UM, AND SOME COMMUNITIES DO HAVE LOCAL PRESERVATION ORDINANCES OR LOCAL PRESERVATION HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
OFTENTIMES THAT DOES COME WITH REGULATIONS.
UM, BUT THERE IS NOT A LOCAL PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE NOW OR SOMETHING.
NOT SAYING WE DEFINITELY CAN'T, WE, THAT'S SOMETHING TO DEFINITELY EXPLORE, BUT THE COMMISSION COULD PROPOSE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PROBABLY MM-HMM
AND THERE'S SOME, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY GREAT SUGGESTION IN THE PLAN ABOUT RECOGNIZING LEGACY BUSINESSES, WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER, UM, CREATING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE POST REGISTER FOR
THESE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME AND HAVE WONDERFUL STORIES TO TELL ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I'M HOPING THE COMMISSION TAKES THAT AND CREATES A PROGRAM OF THEIR OWN AND FRIENDS WITH IT.
I JUST WANNA, SO I'VE WRITTEN IT DOWN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS IN NO WAY REGULATORY THOUGH.
AND SO IS IT AFTER THIS PLAN, BUT THEN THEY COME IN WITH, HERE'S THE REGULATIONS.
AT WHAT POINT? I DON'T THINK, UM, I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY APPETITE AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE CREATING ANY LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH THAT REGULATION.
AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT OUTREACH, TALKING TO THE PUBLIC, UM, HAVING RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM, AND AGAIN, DOCUMENTING WHAT'S IN OUR CITY.
AND A LOT OF THAT JUST, AGAIN, IT BECOMES JUST RESOURCES TO HAVE.
BUT, UH, IN TERMS OF GRANTS THAT COME, GRANTS MIGHT HAVE STRENGTHS THAT FEEL LIKE REGULATIONS.
IS THAT, IS THAT, UH, HOW, HOW IT SOMETIMES PLAYS OUT? POSSIBLY.
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SOME OF THE GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED IN THE PAST THROUGH THE CLG HAVE BEEN LIKE THE WALKING TOUR, THE HISTORIC WALKING TOUR THAT THE COMMISSION HAS DONE.UM, WE, UH, A GRANT WAS ACCEPTED TO WRITE A NOMINATION, UM, FOR ITS NATIONAL LAKE REGISTER.
UM, AND SO THE REGULATORY ON THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THAT SHIPPO REVIEW THE NOMINATION TO MAKE SURE IT MEANT EVERYTHING BEFORE IT GOT SENT TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
SO, UM, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY, UM, BIND OURSELVES.
THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION, UH, WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN CITY HALL, UH, ELEVATOR WAS BEING CONTEMPLATED, WHICH AGAIN, FOR A DA PURPOSES, IT REALLY IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO HAVE HAPPEN.
ALTHOUGH FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE LOOK AND THE WAY THAT A, YOU KNOW, A HISTORIC AND HISTORIC BUILDING LOOKS, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGHER PILL TO SWALLOW FOR SOME.
BUT THERE'S A PLAQUE ON THE FRONT AND, UM, SOMEONE SAID, OH, WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY RULES BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE A DA TRUMPS HIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THEREFORE YOU'RE OKAY.
I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT'S TRUE.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHEN YOU HAVE THE PLAQUE ON THE WALL, ARE YOU LIMITED IN WHAT YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU'RE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES? UM, EITHER THERE'S A BUILDING OR A DISTRICT.
IT'S VERY MUCH AN HONORARY DESIGNATION.
YOU CAN TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN.
BUT, AND I WILL SAY SHIPPO'S A REALLY WONDERFUL WEBSITE AND THEY HAVE REALLY GREAT, LIKE THEY HAVE A FULL, LIKE LISTING DOES THIS, BUT IT DOES NOT DO THIS.
IT DOES NOT RESTRICT THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU CAN CHANGE AND DISPOSE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S VERY HONORARY, I WOULD SAY.
AND WHERE THE CITY'S NOT GOING TO LIKE, IT'S ON THE REGISTER.
THEY DON'T NEED TO COME TO US AND SAY, CAN WE, CAN WE DO THIS? IT'S A NATIONAL DESIGNATION, IT'S NOT A LOCAL CITY ONE AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING.
LIKE, WE GET CALLS ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME.
THAT'S UP TO THE AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UH, PARKS AND REC, UM, HAVING SOME INTERACTION WITH RESPECT TO SHIPPO? WE HAD, UM, A DESCENDANT OF THE RENO FAMILY REACH OUT TO US, OUR OFFICES, UM, ABOUT LISTING TOFU PARK AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I, FIRST THING I DID WAS, UH, DIRECT THAT TO DIRECTOR HOLMES AND ASK KIND OF, KIND OF GET A FEEL ON THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY WERE ASKING US TO USE GRANT FUNDING IN ORDER TO KIND OF USE THAT, UM, TO DO THE CONSULTANT FOR A NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION.
WHAT SHIPPO HAS TOLD US THOUGH, IS THAT BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC PROPERTY, ANYONE CAN LIST THAT.
ANYONE CAN ATTEMPT TO LIST THAT PROPERTY SO ANYONE CAN COME UP AND, AND SUPPLY IT TO THE NATIONAL REGISTERED, UH, NOMINATION FOR A DISTRICT.
OF COURSE, THEY'D LIKE THE CITY TO BE INVOLVED.
UM, AT THIS TIME IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S CONVERSATIONS IN THE VERY PRELIMINARY HAS STARTED, UM, ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT WE DON'T HAVE MORE THAN THAT.
AND IS THIS THE ONLY, ONLY, UH, SITE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT'S BEING TEMPLATE RIGHT NOW? ACTIVELY THAT, YES.
I WILL SAY WE HAVE, UM, THERE HAS BEEN MITIGATION, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OFFERED FOR THE FRONTIER CENTER AND ONE OF THAT WAS TO DO AN INTENSIVE LEVEL SURVEY OF ALL OF OUR HISTORIC PARKS IN THE CITY.
UM, AND A PART OF THAT COULD BE A NOMINATION THAT COMES FOR HOW THIS PARK COULD COME OUT OF THAT AS WELL AS A PART OF THE MITIGATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBERS? ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE, UH, UH, THE DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATE THIS TO, UH, MY OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE DATES OUT, UH, FOR COUNCIL AND HONOR EVERYBODY'S COUNT.
ANY OTHER, PARDON? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENT, GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK AND EFFORT.
I THINK CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE NARRATIVES IN THE STORIES.
ALRIGHT, WE, ANOTHER ITEM TO COME, UH, THE ATTORNEY YOU WANTED TO BRING FOR COUNSEL RELATING TO RELATED TO THE UK UH, BARN PROPERTY.
SO WE RECEIVED, AND UH, I HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS.
WE THE DEPARTMENT OR WE THE CITY.
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UH, IT WAS ADDRESSED TO CDS, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE CITY.SO WE ARE IN THE, AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS.
UH, WE GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TOMORROW NIGHT FOR REVOCATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE UIC BARN.
AND, UM, YEAH, AND, AND JUST JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT AND WITH THE REVOCATION, IT GOES BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, THAT APPEALANT BODY, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, IS ACTUALLY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, JUST BE COGNIZANT OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.
WITH THAT, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, FINISHING UP REVIEWING THE SITE PLAN, UM, FOR THE UIC BARN.
AND, UM, WE HAD THE LAST SUBMITTAL FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 2024.
UH, STAFF RETURNED, UH, BASICALLY THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED, HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL OUTSTANDING FOR A SURVEY OF EASEMENT AND A DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY ALONG ROLL IN DEBT.
SO WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
AND THEN WE RECEIVED THIS ON THE 12TH, UH, JUST THAT THE UPIC BARN FORMALLY REQUESTED MEDIATION, UH, PURSUANT TO SECTION 11 DASH SIX DASH FOUR.
AND COULD WE PULL UP THAT SECTION OF CODE FOR ME PLEASE? JUST SO YOU HAVE IT AND ALL, AND I'LL READ THAT SECTION OF CODE.
SO, UH, 11 DASH SIX DASH FOUR.
IN REGARDS TO DECISION MAKING PROCEDURES, THERE IS A SECTION OF THE CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR MEDIATION FOR APPLICATIONS.
AND, UH, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH AND READ THIS SECTION OF THE CODE.
JACQUELINE, CAN YOU ENLARGE THAT JUST A BIT? UM, BOTTOM RIGHT.
JUST TAKE IT MAYBE TO 125% AND SEE WHAT WE GET.
SO WHEN, WHEN THERE'S AN ACTION TAKEN, IT SAYS A MEDIATION REQUEST, AN APPLICANT OR ANY EFFECTIVE PERSON MAY BY WRITTEN REQUEST SUBMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT REQUEST MEDIATION PROVIDED THAT THE REQUEST IS RECEIVED NO LATER THAN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF AN APPEALABLE DECISION UNDER THIS CHAPTER, MEAN CHAPTER 11, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
AFTER RECEIVING THE WRITTEN REQUEST, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT SHALL PRESENT THE MEDIATION REQUEST TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
CURRENTLY, THE COUNCIL SHALL EVALUATE THE REQUEST AT PUBLIC MEETING AND MAY ORDER MEDIATION IF THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THE MEDIATION MAY RESOLVE THE DISPUTE DURING MEDIATION.
ANY TIME LIMITATION RELEVANT TO THE APPLICATION SHALL BE TOLD, SUCH TOLLING SHALL CEASE WHEN THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER AFFECTED PERSON AFTER HAVING PARTICIPATED IN AT LEAST ONE MEDIATION SESSION, STATES IN WRITING THAT NO FURTHER PARTICIPATION IS DESIRED AND NOTIFIES THE OTHER PARTIES OR UPON NOTICE OF REQUEST TO MEDIATE WHEREIN NO MEDIATION SESSION IS SCHEDULED FOR 28 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF SUCH REQUEST.
THAT BASICALLY, UM, UM, IS, IS GIVES KIND OF THE PARAMETERS OF HOW LONG MEDIATION OCCURS AND THE PARAMETERS OF WHEN THAT WOULD STOP AS WELL.
UH, IN ASSOCIATION WITH DURING MEDIATION, PRE MEDIATION CONFERENCE, IF THE COUNCIL ORDERS MEDIATION, THE COUNSEL SHALL SELECT AND, AND PAY THE EXPENSE OF THE MEDIATOR FOR THE FIRST MEETING WITH THE MEDIATOR.
AND THE EFFECTIVE PERSON OR PERSONS FIRST MEETING WITH THE MEDIATOR SHALL BE DETERMINED WHETHER TO SCHEDULE ADDITIONAL MEDIATION MEETINGS AND TO DETERMINE COMPENSATION TO THE MEDIATOR.
THE APPLICANT AND THE EFFECTIVE PARTY SHALL BE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN A PREM MEDIATION MEETING.
HOWEVER, AN APPLICANT MAY DECLINE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEDIATION REQUESTED BY AN EFFECTIVE PERSON AND AN EFFECTIVE PERSON MAY DECLINE TO PARTICIPATE IN MEDIATION.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
MEDIATION MAY OCCUR AT ANY POINT DURING THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS OR AFTER A FINAL DECISION IS MADE.
IF MEDIATION OCCURS AFTER A FINAL DECISION, ANY RESOLUTION OF DIFFERENCES THROUGH MEDIATION SHALL BE THE SUBJECT OF ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE THE DECISION MAKING BODY.
JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE WHY I'M HERE IS THERE WASN'T A REQUEST FOR MEDIATION FROM THE, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER OF THE UIC BARN.
I RESPONDED IF YOU COULD BRING UP MY LETTER PLEASE.
SOME OF IT IS SEEKING DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL.
UH, WE, ONE, UH, SO I LAID OUT THAT THIS IS THE LETTER THAT I RESPONDED TO, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT SAME DAY.
HE SENT IT ON THE, UH, 12TH AT TWO 30.
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THE 12TH AS WELL.I I JUST STAYED AFTER WORK AND DRAFTED THIS AND THEN SENT IT OVER TO LEGAL TO MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE IS OKAY.
SO I QUOTED THE SECTION OF THE CODE.
CAN YOU GO TO THE SECTION SECOND PAGE OF THAT DOCUMENT PLEASE? SO IN THIS DOCUMENT I RE-QUOTE THE SECTIONS OF THE CODE FOR MEDIATION.
HOWEVER, UH, THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD AN APPEALABLE DECISION BY THE CITY COUNCIL, LEMME PULL UP MY TIMELINE HERE.
THE LAST APPEALABLE DECISION THAT WE HAD FROM CITY COUNCIL WAS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THE SECOND HEARING WAS ON JUNE 27TH, 2024.
UH, THE APPLICANT THEN APPEALED THAT DECISION, UH, FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
IF YOU REMEMBER, IT'S IN REGARDS TO LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AND STREET AND TREES.
AND THAT APPEAL WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 8TH, 2024.
SO IN MY LETTER IN THERE, I STATE MY REASONING THAT, UM, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THIS WAS IN A, UH, THIS WAS RIGHT FOR OR, UH, MET THAT THE DEFINITION FOR MEDIATION ACCORDING TO OUR CODE BECAUSE WE WERE PAST SEVEN DAYS OF AN APPEALABLE DECISION.
HOWEVER, I I STATE IN MY LETTER THAT THIS IS STILL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO TO MEDIATION FOR, UM, FOR THE UIC BARN, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED FOR MEDIATION, BUT IN, IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WAS AN APPEALED DECISION BACK IN AUGUST 8TH.
AND THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED AND STAFF'S SUGGESTION IS THAT WE, WE DENY THAT REQUEST FOR MEDIATION.
SO THAT WAS WHY I BROUGHT IT TO YOU.
BUT IT'S STILL THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF WHAT YOU DECIDE.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO TO MEDIATION WITH THE APPLICANT, I'LL JUST ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I WILL NOTE THAT MR. WALKER, WHO MADE THE REQUEST IS WATCHING HIM IN THE ROOM.
I DID ASK, I DID TELL HIM THAT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES STAFF HAD HAD, SO IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT IT, HE WAS SEEKING MEDIATION ON.
AND HE DID INFORM ME TODAY THAT WHAT HE'S SEEKING MEDIATION ON IS THE, UH, THE SCHEDULED HEARING FOR TOMORROW.
HE WANTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEDIATE, UH, THAT DECISION, WHICH HASN'T BEEN MADE YET.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S HIS REQUEST AS TO MEDIATE THE HEARING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OUGHT TO BE REVOKED.
SO HE WANTS TO MEDIATE A DECISION THAT HASN'T MADE YET.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, THIS DOESN'T SEEM COMPLICATED TO ME, THAT I WOULD DIRECT STAFF TO DENY THE REQUEST.
AND THEN LET'S GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TOMORROW, AND THEN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, AND WITHIN HOW MANY DAYS? 3, 7, 7 DAYS, WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, THEN HE CAN FILE WHAT HE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HIS RIGHT TO DO IS FROM THERE.
AND THEN WHAT IS THE PROCESS AFTER THAT? BECAUSE THEN THERE IS STILL AN APPEAL TO THE COUNSEL FOR THE JUDGMENT OF THE CUP AND THE, AND THE MEDIATION WOULD TO THE APPEAL PERIOD.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT, YEAH.
SO TOLLING IS A WORD THAT MEANS THAT DEADLINES AND TIMELINES ARE PAUSED.
SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE 48, UH, TYPICALLY WITH A COURT DECISION, YOU HAVE 42 DAYS TO SEEK APPEALS, THE, TO THE IOWA SUPREME COURT.
UH, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT OCCURS, THAT PULLS THAT TIME PERIOD, THEN THAT DEADLINE GETS EXTENDED.
SO YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IN THE LAWSUIT WITH THE JOHNSON LEGACY, A MOTION FOR A NEW TRIAL WAS MADE THAT MOTION TOLD THE APPEAL DEADLINE FOR THAT, FOR THAT CASE.
SO THIS GIVES THE APPLICANT A SEVEN DAY TIME PERIOD TO REQUEST MEDIATION DURING THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
AND WE TOLD THE APPLICANT'S RIGHT TO APPEAL.
I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD HOW LONG, UH, SOMEONE HAS TO APPEAL A, A DECISION THAT'S MADE BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, OFF THE TOP.
SO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AFTER A HEARING TOMORROW CAN OFFER TO REVOKE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD, THEY COULD, UH, DE DENY THE, UH, THE, SO I GUESS WHAT WE SHOULD MAYBE START BACK FROM THE, THE QUESTION IS,
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UH, STAFF IS, IS BRINGING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, AN ACCUSATION THAT THE U PICK RED BARN IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ITS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ITS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THROUGHOUT THE PERIOD THAT IT WAS OPEN DURING ITS SIX WEEK PERIOD.THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS IT TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING, UH, THAT'S SCHEDULED TOMORROW IS FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO TAKE THE FIRST LOOK AT WHETHER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS ADHERED TO, AND THEY'LL MAKE A DECISION, UH, WHETHER OR NOT IT OUGHT TO BE REVOKED.
IF THE CONDITION WAS, THE CONDITIONS WERE NOT OBSERVED, THEN THE BOARD MAY REVOKE THE PERMIT.
THEY MAY ADJUST THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ON THE PERMIT.
THEY MAY DETERMINE THAT THE PERMIT WAS IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT THEY, UH, YOU PICKED RED BARNS NOT IN A POSITION TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR PERMIT REVOKED.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ESTABLISHED WHEN THEY GRANTED THE CONDITIONS THAT IT GRANTED WAS THAT THEY HAD TO BE OBSERVED OR THE PERMIT WAS SUBJECT TO REPLICATION.
SO THAT'S THE QUESTION FOR THE BOARD TO DECIDE.
UH, TOMORROW IS WHETHER OR NOT, OR I SUPPOSE WE COULD TABLE IT TWO, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, UH, TO, TO MEDIATE IT, UH, BEFORE THE BOARD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, CONTINUE TO HEAR IT.
I'M, I'M, I'M A ATTORNEY THAT IS NEVER AFRAID TO GO TO MEDIATION, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FOR THE CITY TO BE AFRAID OF TO MEDIATE HERE.
UH, IT TO ME IS SORT OF A SIMPLE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR PERMIT.
SO IS THIS MEDIATION, LIKE THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT DO IT TOGETHER? IT'S NOT DONE UNDER A QUARTER UNDER A JUDGE, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, AND THIS IS A, A REQUIREMENT OF THE LOCAL LANDS PLANNING ACT IS THAT EVERY ZONING CODE HAS TO HAVE A PROVISION IN IT IN WHICH A AGGRIEVED PERSON CAN SEEK MEDIATION.
UM, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT ANYONE SEEK MEDIATION, BUT IT'S A, IT IS REQUIRED FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THIS PROCESS IN.
YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTED THE LANGUAGE IS UNUSUAL WHERE THE CITY PAYS FOR THE FIRST SESSION.
THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE LOCAL LANGUAGE BONDING ACT.
IS IT A LITTLE, I MEAN, IT FEELS A LITTLE CART BEFORE THE HORSE KIND OF THING TO ME.
UM, WILL IT DELAY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, UM, HEARING IF, IF MEDIATION IS CALLED UPON AT THIS TIME, AS PUT, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT IT BE PULLED OFF OF THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
IF THE COUNCIL, UH, ORDERS CITY TO MEDIATION, THAT PROBABLY A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE FOR I THINK ALL PARTIES.
BUT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE, YOU OUGHT HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
YOU MAYBE THEY WON'T REVOKE IT.
MAYBE THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, BUT, AND THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY REASON, REASON FOR MEDIATION, WHETHER THERE, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT, UM, SOME OF THE DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE PARTIES ARE LONG LASTING AND HAVE, UH, BEEN THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS IS, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE UP UK RED BARN DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT IT'S REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE CITY CODE'S REQUIREMENT TO DEVOTE ADJACENT ROADS.
THEY ARE SOMEHOW, UH, NOT, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT HAS OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY DID NOT TRIGGER THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE CITY CODE.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF THOSE OTHER THAN THAT'S BEEN MY GENERAL, UH, FEELING THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS THAT'S NOW, UH, BEEN ALMOST EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS.
I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN EVER PUT TO BED.
BUT NORMALLY WHEN A PERSON ASKS FOR MEDIATION, NORMALLY IT LAYS OUT THE GROUNDS ON WHICH THAT MEDIATION IS TO BE.
SO IT HAS SORT OF AN AGENDA SET BEFORE YOU START.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS, IT IS A GOOD IDEA THOUGH, TO, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE MEDIATION'S GONNA COVER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY ALL THAT MEDIATION IS DESIGNED TO DO, IN MY OPINION, IS COME TO A WAY TO RESOLVE THE DISPUTE.
UH, I I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS DISPUTE IS.
IT'S BEEN WIDE, IT'S COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL.
IT COVERS A LOT OF DIFFERENT BASISES.
IT'S BEEN, SOMETIMES THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS BEEN, I THINK, ENORMOUSLY FRUSTRATING FOR STAFF.
IT'S BEEN ENORMOUSLY FRUSTRATING FOR THE BOARDS OF THIS COUNCIL, AND IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I THINK EVERYONE IS FRUSTRATED AND MEDIATION CAN BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE, UH, EVERYONE CAN GET TO A
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ROOM AND RESOLVE THEIR DIFFERENCES IN A WAY THAT I, I HAVE A JUDGE THAT I WORKED FOR WHO SAID THAT, UH, UH, A GOOD, A GOOD, UH, COMPROMISE IS ONE WHERE EVERYONE'S EQUALLY UNHAPPY.MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE.
UM, THIS, IT'S BEEN, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY DISAGREEMENTS AND SO MANY, UH, UH, SITUATIONS WHEREIN I THOUGHT THE DISPUTE WAS RESOLVED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THE DISPUTE WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
MAYBE IF WE A REHASH OF THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT.
AND THAT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WAS RELIEVED ON FRIDAY TO LEARN THAT THE SITE PLAN, WHICH HAS BEEN A STICKING POINT FOR NOW, UH, ALMOST EIGHT MONTHS HAD BEEN APPROVED.
AND I WAS GRATEFUL THAT THIS PROCESS WAS GONNA BE OVER.
AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE CITY RECEIVED THE, THE REQUEST MEDIATION.
I LEARNED THAT THERE WERE DEEP DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND, UH, THE CITY.
SO I, I'M A LITTLE AT LOSS AT, AT KIND OF TO PREDICT YOU, YOU WOULD GET IN MEDIATION.
UH, BUT I AM A, AN ATTORNEY THAT WILL MEDIATE THIS VIEW.
I, I FIND IT'S A HEALTH PROCESS QUESTION, KIRK.
AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL.
IF, IF MEDIATION OCCURRED BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, IF THAT WAS PUT OFF AND MEDIATION OCCURRED, WHAT LEGAL RE WHAT LEGAL AUTHORITY IS THERE FOR BOTH SIDES TO, TO DO WHAT IS DETERMINED IN MEDIATION? THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES THIS REQUEST DIFFICULT IS THAT IF, IF WE HAD GONE BACK IN TIME AND WE HAD GOTTEN A REQUEST FOR MEDIATION BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAD HEARD THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, I WOULD SAY THERE WAS NOTHING TO MEDIATE BECAUSE NO DECISIONS HAD BEEN MADE IN THIS SITUATION.
DECISIONS WERE MADE ALMOST SIX MONTHS AGO, UH, THAT, THAT WERE FINAL.
AND THEN STAFF AND, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THOSE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.
AND NOW I THINK WHAT'S BEING ASKED IS THAT STAFF HAS NOT BEEN SATISFIED WITH THE COMPLIANCE IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS INITIATED THE PROCESS TO REVOKE THE PERMIT.
AND WE'RE GETTING A REQUEST TO MEDIATE BEFORE DECISIONS BEEN MADE.
UM, SO I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IT BECAUSE IT COULD BE THAT THE DECISION IS THAT STAFF IS WRONG AND THEN THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO MEDIATE.
UH, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WILL BE THE ANSWER.
WE HAVE CODE AND WE HAVE PROCESSES, AND WE HAVE COMMITTEES, COUNCIL, LIKE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHOSE EXPERTISE IS THIS PART OF THE WORLD, AND WE'RE ONE DAY AWAY FROM GETTING THE VALUE OF THEIR EXPERTISE.
AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.
I DON'T SEE REASON TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION.
AGREED TO, TO, TO MITIGATE, TO GO TO MITIGATION PRIOR TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, MAKING A DECISION MEDIATION.
I DON'T SEE VALUE IN THAT FACT, JUST THE OFFICE THAT I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE PROCESS TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
AND IN 10 YEARS, I CAN'T EVER THINK OF A TIME IN WHICH WE JUST ALLOWED ANY APPLICANT TO GO OUTSIDE OF THAT PROCESS AND NOT FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING, AND THEN TOMORROW, IF THEY DON'T, AFTER THAT, THEY WANNA DO IT, THEY SHOULD SEND THE SAME LETTER.
SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING THIS ONE COUNTS FOR, FOR THE NEXT WELL, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T CLEAR.
UH, IT WASN'T UNTIL I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH MR. WALKER TODAY THAT IT, I WAS COMPLETELY CLEAR ON WHAT THE MEDIATION WAS BEING SOUGHT FOR MY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND, AND MR. WALKER'S HERE, I'M SURE HE COULD TELL YOU HIMSELF, BUT TO BE CLEAR, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, YOUR HONOR.
YEAH, MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING MEDIATION, UH, TO MEDIATE THE RE THE, UH, STAFF'S REQUEST TO REVOKE THE PERMIT.
SIR, I DO HAVE, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT BECAUSE IF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARS THE, HAS THE HEARING, THEN THEY'RE NOT LIMITED TO ONLY MEDIATE THAT DECISION.
THEY'RE ABLE TO MEDIATE THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY HAVING.
LIKE THE, THE PARAMETERS AREN'T, AND WE GET A DECISION, BUT IT, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE ABLE TO DISCUSS A LOT OF THE ISSUES.
ARE WE GONNA THROW THE SIDEBOARDS ON THAT? SAY,
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NOPE.WE CAN ONLY DISCUSS WHETHER THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS MADE THE ACCURATE YEAH.
LIKE IT'LL MEDIATION OPENS UP TO SOME OF THE OTHER GRIEVANCES.
I WOULD SAY THAT MEDIATION IS KIND OF FREEWHEELING IN EVERY CASE.
IT, AND, AND THE BEST MEDIATIONS ARE ONES THAT EXPLORE THE WHY FOR THE DISPUTE, NOT JUST THE DISPUTE ITSELF.
YOU GO TO COURT AND THE COURTS DON'T USUALLY ASK WHY YOUR FEELINGS ARE HURT WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR YOUR DIVORCE.
THEY JUST DECIDE WHAT THE RIGHT WAY TO GET YOU DIVORCED IS IN THE MEDIATION.
YOU MIGHT TALK ABOUT HOW YOU NEVER GOT TAKEN OUT TO DINNER.
SO, UM, MEDIATION'S HELPFUL TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE WHY.
MY MY SENSE HERE IS THAT THE WHY IS PHILOSOPHICAL AND POLITICAL IN NATURE AND NOT REALLY FOCUSED ON, ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE LAW IS.
BUT IT WOULD ALL BE OPEN TO MEDIATION AFTER THE HEARING.
MEDIATION IS AN ELEMENT AGAIN, IF, IF AFTER THE HEARING, UH, MR. WALKER REQUESTED MEDIATION, AGAIN, WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
WE WOULD TALK ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL, AND I THINK WE LOOK BACK AT THE CODE AND THE CODE SAYS IF THE COUNCIL IS OF THE OPINION THAT MEDIATION WILL HELP RESOLVE THE DISPUTE, THEN, THEN IT SHOULD ORDER MEDIATION.
AND SO I, I GUESS THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE ANSWERING NOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THE FULL SCOPE OF THE DISPUTE.
UH, 'CAUSE THE HEARING HASN'T HAPPENED.
UH, THE, THE LAST APPEALABLE DECISION THAT WAS MADE HERE HAPPENED IN AUGUST, AND THAT WAS BEFORE THIS COUNCIL.
SO COUNCIL MIGHT REACH BACK AND REMEMBER THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE RAISED AT THAT APPEAL THAT COUNSEL, UM, TOOK ACTION ON.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
UH, IT'S BEEN KIND OF A, A FREE WILLING DISPUTE.
YEAH, I, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I THINK WOULD HELPFUL EVENTUALLY.
I THINK DO IT IN RIGHT ORDER IN THE PROCESS.
AND THEN I THINK, I THINK IT WILL HELP.
'CAUSE THERE IS THINGS THAT I'VE, I'VE HEARD ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS CONVERSATION OVER TIME THAT I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO.
THERE'S THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE USEFUL THAT I THINK EVEN THE DIRECTORS TOLD ME, NOT FOR SURE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES ABOUT THINGS.
SO THERE'S HISTORY ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT GOT DONE MAYBE TWO, FIVE YEARS AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO, AND DID IT GET INSPECTED, DID IT NOT? AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I THINK MEDIATION WOULD BE USEFUL.
'CAUSE I THINK OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DID A GOOD JOB, BUT THE INSPECTIONS MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN DOCUMENTED OR RESTORED AT SOME TIMES OR THINGS.
AND I THINK MEDIATION COULD BE HELPFUL, BUT I COULD DO IT AFTER TOO LONG IS WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME.
BUT I, SO I HAVE MULTIPLE CONCERNS RIGHT NOW.
ONE IS THAT, UM, PROCESS CONCERNS.
ONE IS THAT, UM, I I'M HOPING THAT YOU'RE SORT OF LISTENING WITH A SECOND SET OF YEARS, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED SO THAT, UH, THIS COUNCIL ISN'T TAINTED IN THE EVENT THAT AT SOME POINT IT BECOMES THE, UH, COURT OF GLASS RESORT, SO TO SPEAK, FOR A COURT OF ADJUSTMENT DECISION.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING ASTRAY ON TALKING ABOUT DETAILS, ABOUT RAISING DETAILS.
SECOND CONCERN, UM, I SET THE AGENDA WITH A SET OF EXPECTATIONS IN MIND.
AND WHEN I SET THIS AGENDA, I HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE WAS AN APPEAL REQUEST.
UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT, UH, THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA, UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE, UH, MR. SAN, YOU AND I TALKED DIRECTOR SAN, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT, UM, WE MORE THAN A WEEK AGO, WAS THAT, UH, WE, WE WERE JUST GONNA GIVE THE COUNCIL NOTIFICATION THAT, UH, THIS MATTER WAS GOING TO THE COURT OF ADJUSTMENT TOMORROW, AND THAT WE NEEDED TO BE CAREFUL WITH EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.
AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS ONLY LESS 10 MINUTES.
AND, UM, AND SO THEN IT TURNED INTO SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH IS FINE.
'CAUSE I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS BROAD ENOUGH THAT IT COULD HAVE TURNED INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS COMING.
SO I'M, I'M, UM, I HATE BEING CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT THE SUBSTANCE OF OUR DISCUSSION IS GONNA BE ABOUT.
UM, THIRD, WHEN YOU HAD, UH, 11, SIX, WHATEVER UP ON THE SCREEN, UM, THE VERY LAST, UH, SECTION, AND IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP, JESS, I'M SO GRATEFUL, UM, SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT HOW MEDIATION COULD TAKE PLACE.
UM, YEAH, LIKE BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER A DECISION.
AND IT MAKES ME THINK, WELL, IF, IF SOMEONE CAN REQUEST MEDIATION AT ANY POINT, AT ANY TIME, WHAT THE HELL IS THE USE OF MAKING A DECISION IN THE FIRST PLACE? IF, IF MEDIATION IS ALWAYS GONNA BE THE CARD THAT SHOULD, UH, OR THE RABBIT YOU PULL OUT OF YOUR HAT.
SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT VERY LAST SECTION.
IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHAT IT MEANS THAT YOU COULD EVEN MEDIATE AFTER A DECISION.
SO IT SAYS THAT MEDIATION MAY OCCUR AT ANY POINT DURING THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS OR AFTER A FINAL
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DECISION IS MADE.SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE PART THAT'S COMES THROUGH THE STATE STATUTE? I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING QUESTION IS AT WHAT POINT ARE WE IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS? WELL, WE'RE AT ANY POINT THAT THAT MIGHT BE ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAS IT ON THEIR AGENDA.
AND SO CAN YOU HAVE A DECISION MAKING PROCESS BEFORE THE BOARD GETS INVOLVED? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S AN OPEN QUESTION.
UH, YOU COULD READ THAT TO SAY THAT, UH, YOU CAN HAVE A MEDIATION BEFORE A DECISION'S MADE.
HOWEVER, WHATEVER, UH, RESOLUTION OF DIFFERENCES OCCUR DURING THE MEDIATION MUST COME BACK TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN AN OPEN MEETING.
SO IT ISN'T THAT THERE WILL BE A MEDIATION AND THIS SITUATION WILL BE RESOLVED, RIGHT.
UH, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK BEFORE THE ADOR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING IN WHICH THE ENTIRE MEDIATION'S GOING TO BE EXPLAINED HOW WE GOT TO OUR RESOLUTION.
AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WILL STILL NEED TO ACCEPT THAT YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION AND THIS HAPPENS.
UM, I WOULD, I REMIND FOLKS THAT WE GO TO MEDIATION ON THAT.
I THINK YOU'RE ALL TIRED OF ME HERE HEARING ME SAY THAT I CAN'T FIND THE COUNCIL.
AND I'LL COME IN AND I WILL TRY TO NEGOTIATE THE BEST THING.
AND THEN YOU, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD RANDY AND I COME INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND SAY, WE'RE TRYING TO SELL YOU ON THE MEDIATION.
AND, UH, BECAUSE ONLY YOU CAN ACCEPT THE TERMS OF THE MEDIATION.
AND WE HAVEN'T EVER HAD A SITUATION WHERE A COUNCIL HASN'T AGREED THAT THE RESOLUTION MADE IN, UH, A MEDIATION WAS THE CORRECT ONE.
AND ULTIMATELY THE DECISIONS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS BOUND BY ARE, ARE REQUIRED IN THE STATE TO HAPPEN IN OPEN MEETINGS.
WE WOULD STILL NEED TO COME BACK THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION.
UH, IF THEY DON'T, THAT COULD GET APPEALED TO THIS COUNCIL.
THIS COUNCIL COULD ULTIMATELY DETERMINE THAT THE MEDIATION WAS NOT THE CORRECT WAY TO RESOLVE THE DISPUTE.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT EXPLANATION FOR WHY THIS WOULD COME BACK EVENTUALLY TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
EVEN IF THIS COUNCIL SAID NO STAFF BEFORE YOU GO AND BRING THIS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WE WANT YOU TO MEDIATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FIRST, THAT THIS WILL GO AT SOME POINT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THERE'S NO GOOD WAY NOT TO, OR I SHOULD SAY NO LEGAL WAY, BUT YOU JUST SAY BEFORE ANYBODY STARTS POINTING OUT THE EGG ON MY FACE, THAT THE AGENDA DOES SAY, HAVE THE REMEDIATION LISTED THERE.
AND I WILL JUST SAY THAT I, UM, APPROVED THE AGENDA.
UH, I, I, I, I APPROVED BASED ON A PRIOR, THAT PRIOR UNDERSTANDING THAT I HAD, AND I DIDN'T EVEN READ THAT WORD IN THERE.
UM, THE, THE WAY THAT I, I JUST DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME, UH, TO ASK WHY IS THIS WORD HERE? I JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE CLERK FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CAREFUL IN PARSING EVERY MOVE.
UM, MR.
IT'S NOT A BINDING DECISION BY ANY MEANS, IS IT? NO.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IN MY MIND, MY OPINION IS THAT WE SHOULD DENY AT THIS TIME AND, AND ENCOURAGE MR. WALKER TO RE UH, RE ANEW RENEW HIS, HIS REQUEST FOR MEDIATION AFTER WE GET A DECISION FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
THIS SEEMS CUT AND DRIED TO ME, PRETTY SIMPLE.
AND IT'S AFTER THE DECISION, THE BOARD.
BUT IT'S, THEY WILL, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE DAY THAT IT'S HEARD.
SO THEY ARE HEARING THIS TOMORROW, DECISION SHOULD OCCUR.
IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE THEY TRY TO WRITE IT OUT.
THEY, THEY COULD, THEY COULD TABLE IT AND HEAR IT A MONTH LATER.
BUT, UM, GENERALLY, MY, MY GENERAL ADVICE IS WHEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, IS TO MAKE A DECISION THE NIGHT OF THE HEARING.
I KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S HARD WHEN YOU HAVE A ONE O'CLOCK PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'RE READY TO GO HOME.
BUT I, I THINK IT SERVES THE PUBLIC TO OBSERVE THE HEARING GET RESOLVED, UH, WHILE THEY'RE THERE.
SO ARE WE LOOKING FOR, UM, I'M GONNA CLARIFY THE QUESTION.
ARE WE, OR CLARIFY OUR NEXT STEPS? ARE WE LOOKING FOR A MOTION? ARE WE JUST LOOKING FOR A CONSENSUS? I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD MAKE A DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT TO ORDER STAFF TO PARTICIPATE IN MEDIATION.
COUNCILOR, UH, FRANCIS, I'M LOOKING
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AT THE TIMELINE AND TIME TO FIGURE OUT THE EARLIEST DATE COUNCIL COULD COME BACK AND MAKE ANY DECISION ON A MEDIATION WOULD BE COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING ON THE 9TH OF JANUARY.SO, UH, IS THERE A MIDDLE GROUND THAT WE COULD AUTHORIZE THE MEDIATION SINCE WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT? IF THE APPELLANT IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE DECISION, STILL WANTS TO BE MADE AFTER TOMORROW, CAN WE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL MID-JANUARY.
DOESN'T THAT TAKE THE BANG OUT OF THE BUCK FOR THE WORD ADJUSTER? THAT WAS WHY WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOU TONIGHT, IS BECAUSE WE GOT THE REQUEST ON THE 12TH.
SO IT, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE LATE IN THE PROCESS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU TODAY.
'CAUSE IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BUMP US BACK TO WHERE WE NEEDED DIRECTION ON THIS ON THE NINTH.
AND IT PUT US IN AN ODD PREDICAMENT IF WE HAVE THIS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING, BUT ALSO THIS REQUEST FOR MEDIATION.
SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THE TIME IRON AND FLIGHT HAPPENED.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, ONCE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MAKES A DECISION, IF YOU PICK, CHOOSES TO WANT TO GO TO MEDIATION, THEY JUST SEND YOU A NOTICE WITHIN SEVEN DAYS AND, AND THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO THIS COUNCIL.
AND WE, WE'D STILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
BUT GO BACK TO US ON THURSDAY.
IT'S KIND OF CARD AND HORSE THING.
AGAIN, IT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO EARLIER.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SWAPPING THAT ORDER AROUND.
SO, AND THEY ALSO JUST ANSWER A QUESTION THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, IT'S 14 DAYS TO APPEAL THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DECISION AS WELL, SO THEY CAN APPEAL IT LIKE THEY DID FOR THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERING THAT THEY, SO THEY HAVE 14 DAYS AS WELL.
MR. CLARITY, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT ABOUT BEING CLEAR CUT.
IF YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT NUMBER ONE, I DO THINK THAT NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER FIVE ARE IN CONFLICT BECAUSE IT DOES SAY THAT MEDIATION MAY OCCUR AT ANY POINT DURING THE DECISION MAKING.
SO I THINK THAT THAT IS, IF YOU FOLLOW NUMBER ONE, CLEAR CUT, IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER FIVE, NOT SO CLEAR.
UM, AND THEN I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COUNCIL'S ROLE IN THE APPEAL.
SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S LIKE, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE JUST FORCED YOU INTO, DID THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION? BUT THEIR DECISION IS GONNA BE BASED ON DID THEY, DO THEY WANNA FOLLOW THE MEDIATION? DIDN'T THEY WANNA FOLLOW THE MEDIATION? I'M NOT COMPLETELY, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR TO ME.
COULD YOU GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE PRESENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE HAD, I THINK, TWO APPEALS FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WE'RE REALLY NARROWLY FOCUSED ON WHETHER THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MADE THE RIGHT DECISION.
SO IN THIS CASE, LET'S SAY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MAKES A DECISION, THEREFORE THE OWNER TRIGGERS OR DECIDES THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEEK MEDIATION.
IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL APPROVES MEDIATION, THEN IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL, IT GOES BACK TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THE PROCESS IS, AT WHAT POINT DOES, IS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THE ONE THAT'S GONNA APPROVE? I DON'T THINK THAT IT REQUIRES THAT IT SAYS IF MEDIATION, UM, OCCURS AFTER A FINAL DECISION.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE DECISION THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MAKES.
THEN ANY RESOLUTION OF THE DIFFERENCES THROUGH MEDIATION SHALL BE THE SUBJECT OF ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE THE DECISION MAKING BODY.
THEN WE MEAN THAT IT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
SO IF THERE WAS SOME RESOLUTION, SOME RE SOME DECISION THAT HAD, UH, THAT, UH, THE PARTIES COULD AGREE ON, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SCHEDULE THIS FOR ANOTHER HEARING IN FRONT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE MEDIATION TO PITCH, UH, MAYBE A, A RECONSIDERATION OF WHAT THEY DECIDED TO, TO REFLECT WHAT THE MEDIATION WAS.
AT THAT POINT, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT COULD, UH, GRANT THAT REQUEST, COULD DENY IT, UH, AND AT THAT POINT, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THIS COUNSEL, AND THEN WE COULD ONCE AGAIN CONSIDER WHETHER WE WANTED TO APPROVE THE MEDIATION.
WELL, CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE ON THE RECORD AS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S AS PART OF WHAT THIS BOARD, UH, COULD CONSIDER.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AT SOME POINT WE GET TO CONSIDER IF IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT WE THEN BECOME THE ULTIMATE DECISION BODY ON THE MEDIATION AND NOT JUST WHETHER OR NOT WE THOUGHT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOLLOWED PROCESS, THE PROCESS, WHICH IS SOMETIMES THE LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE LITTLE BIT OF HANDCUFF, BUT I DON'T, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS THE, THAT WE WOULD ULTIMATELY GET THIS A ON THE MEDIATION AND THAT
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IT WASN'T A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DECISION.NO, YOU, THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
WE WOULD NEED TO WALK THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THROUGH HOW, UM, IF THE MEDIATION'S NOT SUCCESSFUL AND THERE IS NO RESOLUTION REACHED AT MEDIATION, THEN AT THAT POINT, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS JUST GIVE NOTICE TO THE OTHER PARTY THAT THE MEDIATION FOR THE MEDIATION'S NOT GONNA BE PRODUCTIVE.
OR THE APPLICANT COULD DO THE SAME THING.
AT THAT POINT, THE TIME CLOCK WOULD START TICKING AGAIN.
AND, UH, THEY COULD SEEK, UH, AN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ON THE RECORD THAT WE WENT TO MEDIATION, CERTAINLY DURING THE APPEAL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNSEL COULD EXPLORE IS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT MEDIATION.
AND, UH, THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO GET INTO, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU SHOULD FOCUS ON TODAY IS WHETHER THE COUNCIL BELIEVES MEDIATION MIGHT RESOLVE A DISPUTE.
UM, I THINK THE DISPUTE THAT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME IS THE DECISION FOR STAFF TO, UH, GO AND GET AND SEEK A, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO REVIEW WHETHER THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DONE.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE SORT OF DECISION THAT HAS AN EFFECT OTHER THAN THERE'S A HEARING.
SO I I THINK IT MAY BE PREMATURE FOR MEDIATION, CERTAINLY AFTER THE DECISION IS MADE, UH, IT MIGHT BE RIGHT TO HAVE MEDIATION, BUT IF THIS COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT MEDIATION MIGHT RESOLVE THE DISPUTE, AND I WILL SAY THAT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DISPUTE IS NOT REALLY ABOUT WHETHER STAFF SHOULD OR, OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SHOULD REVOKE IT, BUT I THINK GOES FUNDAMENTALLY DOWN TO THE AUTHORITY THAT THE CITY HAS IN ITS ZONING AND BUILDING CODE.
SO I THINK IT'S DEEPER THAN JUST A DISPUTE ABOUT WHETHER THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE MEDIATION, UH, UH, UH, AT ITS CORE IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A STALLING TACTIC.
IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A TACTIC REALLY, OF ANY KIND.
IT'S INTENDED TO BE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO TRY TO RESOLVE DIFFERENCES, AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT IS WHY IT'S BEING SOUGHT.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UH, WE HAVE, UM, A QUESTION FOR US AND A CHOICE THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE.
AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
AGAIN, I THINK I, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MICHELLE, THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT, WE SHOULD REJECT THIS.
AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER TOMORROW.
CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? REJECT WHAT? REJECT THE REQUEST, REQUEST MEDIATION, CURRENT SITUATION MEDIATION AT THIS TIME TOMORROW, WHATEVER HAPPENS, AND IF THERE'S STILL PROBLEMS FOR WHATEVER, I MEAN, WE JUST CAN'T ACCEPT IT RIGHT NOW.
IN THE READING OF THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THERE'S A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TOMORROW AND THEN YOU GET A REQUEST FOR MEDIATION ON WEDNESDAY, THE NEXT PUBLIC MEETING WOULD BE THURSDAY NIGHT, BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE 24 HOUR NOTICE.
WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T HAVE 24 HOUR NOTICE.
UM, THE REQUEST FOR MEDIATION, I THINK WILL TOLL, IT NEEDS TO COME IN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, BUT THE REQUEST FOR MEDIATION WILL TOLL THE APPEAL PERIOD.
SO IF MR. WALKER GETS NOTICE THAT HE WANTS MEDIATION, WE WILL BRING THAT NOTICE, UH, THAT REQUEST BACK TO THIS COUNCIL FOR A DECISION, JUST LIKE WE ARE TODAY.
UH, WE PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT ONTO YOUR AGENDA THURSDAY NIGHT BECAUSE IT'S WITH, IT'S TOO EARLY, UNLESS THERE'S A GOOD FAITH REASON, WHICH MIGHT BE THAT THERE WAS NO WAY TO KNOW.
BUT MY, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU AT YOUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IN, UH, IN, UH, JANUARY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HARMING THE APPLICANT.
IT WILL NOT HARM MR. WALKER BECAUSE HIS APPEAL PERIOD WILL BE TOLD UNTIL, UH, COUNSEL MAKES A DECISION.
IF COUNSEL ORDERS MEDIATION, UH, AT THAT POINT, THE TIME, THE TIME TO APPEAL WILL CONTINUE TO BE TOLD.
IF, UH, COUNSEL, UH, DENIES THAT REQUEST, THEN THE TIME CLOCK WOULD AT THAT POINT BEGIN AGAIN, THIS WHOLE NEW MEETING TO, UH, CHRISTMAS, THE WHOLE, UH, FOR WHOM, BUT, UM, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT CHRISTMAS BELLS AND WHATEVER.
BUT ANYHOW, UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTARY OR DISCUSSION BEFORE THE CITY CLERK TAKES IT? VOTE A MOTION.
I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT IF ANYTHING IS GONNA OCCUR MEDIATION WISE OR OTHERWISE UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING ANYWAY, BUT,
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SO I'M OKAY WITH IT NOT COMING UP ON THURSDAY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SET UP MEDIATION AND HAVE ALL THE PARAMETERS READY BEFORE THE 9TH OF JANUARY.WELL, YEAH, YOU, YOU WOULDN'T, IF IF, YEAH, IF YOU WANTED TO AMEND YOUR AGENDA BASED OFF OF WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW, WHICH YOU WON'T KNOW UNTIL WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW, UNTIL IT HAPPENS, YOU CAN.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, I, THAT WOULD BE AN ARGUMENT FOR GOOD CAUSE TO AMEND THE AGENDA AND THE REASON WHY IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED EARLIER.
AND, BUT YOU JUST, THE ORDER TO, UH, HAVE MEDIATION DOESN'T, DOESN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN NOW WE ARE FURTHER ON THE TRACK.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE MEDIATOR SET UP AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO ORDER THE MEDIATION.
ALL THAT DECISION IS, IS COUNSEL SAYING, YES, WE THINK MEDIATION IS LIKELY TO, UH, RESOLVE THE DISPUTE AND WE'RE GONNA ORDER IT AT THAT POINT.
STAFF IS REQUIRED TO, UH, SET UP A MEDIATION CONFERENCE WITH A MEDIATOR.
THE CITY WILL PAY THE EXPENSES OF THAT FIRST MEETING.
UH, AND IN THAT MEETING, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS WILL BE DECIDED.
UH, ONE, I THINK WE'LL TAKE A RUN AT TRYING TO RESOLVE THE, THIS DISPUTE.
TWO, UH, WE'LL DETERMINE WHETHER ADDITIONAL, UH, MEDIATIONS ARE REQUIRED AND IF ADDITIONAL MEDIATIONS ARE REQUIRED.
THE THIRD THING WE'LL DECIDE IS HOW THE PARTIES WILL ALLOCATE THE COST.
SO THE FIRST MEDIATION SESSION IS THE ONLY ONE IN WHICH THE LOCAL PLANNING ACT REQUIRES THE CITY TO PAY FOR.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE JUST TO DENY THAT WAS YOUR RULING THAT THAT'S THE ONLY WORD REQUEST.
GREAT TO DENY UNTIL AFTER THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MAKES THE DECISION.
I MEAN, THEY CAN, THERE'S A SIDE NOTE, DEPENDS ON MOTION TOMORROW.
ENCOURAGE, ENCOURAGE HIM TO REFILE THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING INTENT TO HAVE A MEDIATION AND INVITE IT TO COME AFTER THE DECISION RENDERS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, RATHER MO YOU'RE EMASCULATING THAT THEY HAVEN'T EVEN DONE ANYTHING YET AND YOU'RE ALREADY PLANNING YOUR NEXT STEP.
I THINK THAT'S OFFENSIVE TO THE ORDER TO, TO A WELL, MAYOR.
SOMETIMES THE PROBLEM IS THAT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION ON THE PROCESS, YOU INADVERTENT, NOT YOU PERSONALLY, BUT NO, WE INADVERTENTLY SEND THE TRAIN DOWN THE TRACKS AND IT'S LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE FOLLOW UP STEPS ARE, BECAUSE IT ISN'T ALWAYS CLEAR THOUGHT.
THEY MIGHT BE, THEY'RE NOT, WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THAT IN THE MOTION.
THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE DEMOTION.
WE HAVE BEFORE A REQUEST FOR MEDIATION, CLEAN MOTION, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, VOTE TO DENY MOTION IS TO DENY THAT REQUEST.
THAT SAY CITY CLERK, WILL YOU READ THE MOTION THAT YOU'VE RECORDED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILOR FRANCIS, WHO WAS SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FREEMAN, UM, AND NOW WILL ASK THE CITY CLERK TO CONDUCT A VOTE.
NOW, I THINK, UM, IT'S, UH, WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
UH, DO WE NEED A BREAK BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NO, I DO, WE, DO WE NEED TO RECONSIDER PART OF THE AGENDA OR DO WE, ARE WE GONNA JUST, I, I'M HAPPY TO PLOW THROUGH IT.
I'M ALSO HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN WHATEVER COUNCIL DESIRES.
SO WE HAVE, UM, LET'S SEE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF POLICY.
WE HAVE CONSIDERATION, UH, NOT CONSIDERATION, BUT, UH, A PRESENTATION AND THEN OUR OWN, UH, REPORTS.
SO WE HAVE THE AIRPORT, OH, AND THE AIRPORT, SORRY.
UM, WHICH HOPE, WELL, WHICH WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE RATHER, RATHER QUICK.
UM, I CAN SAY, UH, JUST FROM WHAT I'M THINKING, UH, THE SPONSORSHIP AND ADVERTISING POLICY HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR WELL OVER A YEAR, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AT THIS POINT.
MAYBE LEAVING LONGER THAN THAT, BUT, UH, IT CAN CERTAINLY GO ANOTHER MONTH.
SO WE CAN POSTPONE THAT TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION IF, UH, THAT WOULD BUY US SOME TIME.
UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOCUS REPORT, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE 45 MINUTES, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE POSTPONED IF THAT WOULD BE YOUR WILL.
UM, WE DID HAVE ONE SLATED PER MONTH, AND SO THIS ONE MIGHT GET A LITTLE WEIRD, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT THE SAME AS A, AS DEPARTMENT FOCUS REPORT, SO IT COULD BE BLENDED INTO ANOTHER MONTH.
UM, I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT THE AIRPORT ONE WE COULD TAKE ON AS, AND OF COURSE THE MAYOR COUNCIL REPORTS CAN BE VERY BRIEF.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROPOSE THAT COUNCIL
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TAKE ON THE AIRPORT AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THAT WE, UM, FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE RESOLUTION FOR THE MAYOR'S AUTHORITY, I WOULD REMOVE THE PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED SPONSORSHIP AND ADVERTISING POLICY BECAUSE I THINK IT IS LONGER THAN A 30 MINUTE DISCUSSION.AND I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE CONTINUE ON WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIRECTOR HERE THAT IS PREPARED AND READY OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE, UM, SO WE'RE JUST POSTPONE YES, PJ JUST THE ONE PART FOR THE, UH, SPONSORSHIP POLICY.
UH, AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO, UH, OBJECTS TO THAT SUGGESTION? ALRIGHT, THEN, UH, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT ON FUTURE WORK SESSION AGENDA AS SOON AS IT PRACTIC.
I, I GUESS I'LL JUST NOTE THAT I DID, UH, LET MARY AND LISA KNOW THAT I WOULDN'T TYPICALLY, UH, PLAN ANYTHING AFTER WORK SESSIONS IF YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
BUT I DO HAVE, UM, SOMETHING WITH MY STAFF THAT IS UNAVOIDABLE, SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAY TILL WHAT EASILY PROJECTING TO BE TO SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO I WILL BE THIS EXITING 15 MEETING.
[Airport and Legal Department]
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE, UM, AIRPORT.YOU SAY ANYTHING IT'S THIS, THIS WOULD BE VERY FAST.
THE, UH, THE CITY HAS HAD SINCE, UH, 2020 A RESOLUTION WHICH HAS EMPOWERED THE MAYOR TO AUTHORIZE CERTAIN MINOR CONTRACTS.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU TODAY IS A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THAT RESOLUTION TO EMPOWER THE MAYOR TO AUTHORIZE LEASE AGREEMENTS, UH, IN WHICH, UH, THE CITY WILL BE THE LANDLORD IN THAT RELATIONSHIP.
AND THAT IN THE JUDGMENT OF THE, UH, DIRECTOR AND THE MAYOR.
THE, UH, LEASE IS NOT CONTROVERSIAL AND PRIMARILY THIS IS FEATURED, THIS IS FOCUSED ON AIRPORT LEASES, UH, AND HANGAR LEASES, ALTHOUGH IT'S, IT WOULD BE BROADER THAN THAT.
IT IS SIMILAR TO A RESOLUTION THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED IN 2015.
IN FACT, IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE LANGUAGE A WIT, BUT THAT 2015 RESOLUTION, UH, WAS REVOKED BY THE 2020 MINOR CONTRACTS RESOLUTION.
AND, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE CREATURES OF HABIT, UH, STAFF WAS SENDING THINGS TO THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE TO APPROVE, UH, THOSE SORT OF LEASES.
AND SO WHEN WE GOT A NEW AIRPORT DIRECTOR, HE SAYS, WELL, WHY, WHY DO I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT? AND I SAID, OH, I GUESS WE DON'T.
SO, UH, THAT'S THE CHANGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.
IT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE MEYER CONTRACT, RESOLUTION OF WIT, EXCEPT FOR THAT IT CLARIFIES THE OTHER LEASES THAT WERE LISTED.
THERE ARE ONES WHERE IN THE CITY WOULD BE THE TENANT.
SO THE MAYOR HAD AUTHORITY IN THAT PREVIOUS, UH, RESOLUTION TO APPROVE LEASE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE NOT OVER, UH, A LEASE THAT WAS NOT OVER A YEAR AND, UH, DID NOT GO OVER, I WANT TO SAY, UH, $10,000.
BUT, UH, THIS WOULD CLARIFY THAT THOSE ARE ONLY LEASES WHERE IN THE CITY WILL BE THE TENANT AND IN OTHER LEASES WHERE IN THE CITY WOULD BE THE LANDLORD, THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE MORE AUTHORITY.
SO IT'S ONLY IN SECTION TWO THAT THERE'S ANY CHANGE.
ALL OTHER ELEMENTS ARE THE SAME.
IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE? BECAUSE NO, BECAUSE WE ALREADY, I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE THE COUNCIL, APPROVE THE SIGNING AUTHORITY RESOLUTION, AND GIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO EX EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
CITY CLERK, CAN YOU CONDUCT IT UP? SHAW? YES.
INCIDENTALLY, SOME OF THE DELEGATION OF THE COURT WAS DESIGNED TO STREAMLINE THE COUNCIL AGENDAS ON THURSDAY NIGHTS.
UM, WE JOKINGLY REFER TO THEM DURING 20 15, 16.
AS THE AGENDA DIET SLIMMING DOWN THE AGENDA AND THIS VERY MOTION THAT WAS JUST MADE, UH, DOES DOES THAT IT TAKES OFF 20% OF YOUR AGENDA ON THURSDAY NIGHT.
[Mayor's Office, Economic Development]
THE NEXT ITEM IS THEN A REPORT FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, NOT DIRECTOR, BUT, UH, SORRY, I DON'T, I'M JUST NOT EVEN GONNA TRY TO USE THE RIGHT WORD.[02:40:35]
WE HAVE JUST A SECOND.YEAH, IT'S, I JUST USE THIS WORD FOR MURDER.
FOLLOWS EXPERIENCE THAT PERIOD.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE A GREAT IN OKAY.
WE'RE JUST, WE HAVE A LITTLE ONEDRIVE OO, ON MY END.
SO, UM, JASMINE'S WORKING HER MAGIC AND GETTING THE RIGHT PRESENTATION PULLED UP, SO MY APOLOGIES.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND WILLINGNESS TO STAY A LITTLE BIT LATE TODAY TO HEAR FROM ME.
UM, I, I MUST TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY NOW FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, AND I PULL UP TO CITY HALL EVERY DAY, AND I'M SO EXCITED I GET TO ENTER THIS BUILDING AND DO THE WORK, UM, IN THE ROLE OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
I JUST THINK IT'S THE COOLEST THING IN THE WORLD TO WORK FOR THE CITY.
UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, I THINK IS THE BEST GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE'RE THE CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE, AND THE WORK WE DO REALLY AFFECTS DAY-TO-DAY LIVES.
SO IT'S, UH, INSPIRING TO BE HERE ON A DAILY BASIS AND WORK WITH ALL OF MY FANTASTIC COLLEAGUES, DIRECTORS, AND, UM, YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.
UM, I'M VERY EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU MY FOCUS REPORT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
UM, I'VE ALSO INCLUDED MY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT I WILL GO THROUGH AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
BUT FIRST I'M GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, A, A HANDFUL OF SLIDES THAT WILL FOLLOW THE FORMAT THAT, UH, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PARTS AND REC DIRECTOR, UM, UTILIZED.
SO ALL, UH, DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ARE UTILIZING THESE, UM, TEMPLATES FOR THE WORK, FOR THEIR PRESENTATIONS MINE, WHERE I AM A NOT A DIRECTOR, BUT AN ADMINISTRATOR, UM, OVERSEEING THIS DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE SOME SIMILARITIES TO THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAW FROM DIRECTOR HOLM AND DIRECTOR SANNER, BUT ALSO SOME DIFFERENCES JUST BECAUSE WE FUNCTION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, UM, IN, IN WHAT I DO.
SO JUST TO, TO START OFF, UM, FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF WHAT MY OFFICE IS ALL ABOUT, UH, BASICALLY WE ARE LOOKING TO, UM, RECRUIT, RETAIN, EXPAND, AND PROMOTE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND BUSINESS INTEREST FROM THE CITY.
THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF THE, THE WORK I DO.
UM, ON A DAILY BASIS, HALF AND HALF, HALF OF MY ENERGY IS SPENT ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER HALF OF MY ENERGY IS SPENT ON GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
WE ALSO ARE VERY FOCUSED ON SUPPORTING CURRENT BUSINESSES AND WANT THEM TO THRIVE AND PROSPER IN THE CITY OF RED OAK FALLS FOR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
THE WORK, UM, INCLUDES DEVELOPING AND COORDINATION OF POLICY POSITIONS AND EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATING THEM TO RELEVANT PARTIES.
THEN WE MONITOR THE LEGISLATIVE RULE MAKING, MAKING ACTIVITIES AT BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS.
I HAVE BEEN OFFICIALLY DOING THE WORK OF THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR PROBABLY SIX MONTHS NOW, AND IT IS A BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE.
UH, I WILL BE GOING INTO MY SECOND LEGISLATIVE SESSION REALLY PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE STATE HOUSE, AND I'M QUITE EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU AS WE GET GOING, UM, WHAT SOME OF THAT WORK LOOKS LIKE.
THE GOAL-FOCUSED WORK THAT, UM, HELPS GUIDE THE, THE EFFORTS FOR BOTH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS INCLUDE INCLUDES MY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP AND, AND CLOSE, MAYBE RELATIONSHIP'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT CLOSE.
UM, WATCH I DO AND MONITOR ASSOCIATION OF IDAHO CITIES.
WE WILL BE THERE TOGETHER AT THE END OF JANUARY
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FOR THE CAPITAL DAY CITY OFFICIALS EVENT.UM, THEIR SPRING AND FALL DISTRICT CONFERENCES THAT THEY BRING HERE TO EAST IDAHO AND THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE THAT WE TRAVEL TO BOISE IN JUNE.
A IC ALSO OFFERS, UM, A, A ROUND TABLE MEETING ON FRIDAYS WITH THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND THEY GO THROUGH THE, UM, CURRENT WATCH LIST OF LEGISLATIVE, UH, BILLS, POTENTIAL BILLS, UM, POSITIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE, UH, ON THOSE BILLS THAT WILL IMPACT MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS IDAHO.
WHAT'S FASCINATING WITH THAT IS MOST OF THE CITIES IN IDAHO ARE SMALL CITIES, LESS THAN 5,000 PEOPLE.
AND THEN THERE'S THE LARGER CITIES, BOISE, MERIDIAN, NAMPA, TWIN FALLS, IDAHO FALLS, AND IT'S BEEN FASCINATING TO LISTEN TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF MAYORS THAT ARE COLLECTIVELY, WE, WE COLLECTIVELY ARE TRYING TO DO WORK THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO OUR CITIZENS AND CONSTITUENTS AND BIG AND SMALL, THE CITIES.
WE ALL HAVE TO HAVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS, AND I'VE BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE ASSOCIATION OF IDAHO CITIES AND HOW THEY WORK FOR THE COMMON GOOD.
UM, AND IT GIVES THOSE SMALLER CITIES A LARGER VOICE IN THE STATE HOUSE.
UH, THE IEC LEADERSHIP COUNCIL IS A, UM, INITIATIVE OF MAYOR CASPER AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING HER ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
IT'S THAT PROGRAM ROLLS OUT, UM, WITH THE ITEM OF ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, CLEANUP HAPPENING OUT AT THE DESERT ENERGY COMMUNITIES ALLIANCE IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO BE ENGAGED WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE NATIONAL LABS AND CLEANUP PROJECTS.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK WITH THAT, UM, GROUP AS WE ALL, UH, GATHER TO, UM, LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOCAL VOICE IS PRESENT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AS, UM, NEW NUCLEAR, BUT MOST MORE.
SO RIGHT NOW THE E C'S EFFORT IS SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT AS NEW NUCLEAR CONTINUES TO GROW.
BUT, UM, THE CLEANUP EFFORT IS REALLY THE FOCUS.
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND A HANDFUL OF EVENTS.
UPCOMING WILL BE WASTE MANAGEMENT IN MARCH.
THE NEW NUCLEAR FORUM WILL BE HERE IN, UH, FALLS IN APRIL, APRIL 22 THROUGH THE 25TH.
UM, I REALLY HOPE THAT COUNCIL CAN PARTICIPATE IN THOSE MEETINGS.
THERE WILL BE A TOUR GUY NOW, UM, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL EVENT.
IS A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE UNITED STATES ARE, ARE HERE IN EAST IDAHO.
SO WE'LL BE SHOWING UP IDAHO FALLS, WHICH IS, UH, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PIECE OF THAT.
UM, WE MAY HAVE SOME PEOPLE DECIDE THEY WANT TO MOVE HERE AFTER THEY SEE WHAT A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY WE HAVE.
SISTER CITIES HAS BEEN A BIG PIECE OF MY WORK, UM, JUST RETURNING FROM THE LAST, UH, EXCHANGE IN JAPAN, WHICH WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO, UH, COUNCIL WITH A BIGGER REPORT ON THAT.
AND THEN, UH, THE EASTERN IDAHO LEGISLATIVE FORUM IS, UH, EFFORT THAT IS COLLABORATIVE BETWEEN, UH, THE LARGE CITIES IN EAST IDAHO, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, PO BOTELLO AND IDAHO FALLS.
WE HOSTED IT THIS LAST, UM, ROUND THAT WAS, I, I GUESS WE HOSTED IT BEGINNING OF DECEMBER, UH, NEXT YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
IT SHOULD POP DOWN TO PO BOTELLO.
WE'LL, WE'LL SEE, UM, HOW THAT SHAKES OUT.
BUT IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A SUPPORTING ROLE FOR THAT.
ALSO, TFG IS OUR LOBBYIST FOR AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, AND I AM THEIR POINT OF CONTACT AND MANAGE THAT RELATIONSHIP FOR FEDERAL FUNDING GRANTS.
EARMARKS ARE, UM, ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION AND GRANTS ARE BECOMING A LARGER PORTION OF THEIR PORTFOLIO.
AND WE HAVE A DIRECT LINE NOW FOR, UM, GETTING IN TOUCH WITH THE DECISION MAKERS FOR THESE, FOR THE GRANTS THAT WE'LL BE CONSIDERING.
THE COPS GRANT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE A MEETING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON SETTING UP WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FOR, UM, CHIEF JOHNSON AND HIS STAFF TO MEET DIRECTLY WITH DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND UNDERSTAND, UH, WHY THAT GRANT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE TGS, UM, RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL OF THE PLAYERS OF WASHINGTON DC.
WE ALSO HAVE A CONTRACT AT IDAHO.
LOBBYIST STEVEN THOMAS, WHO IS LOCATED IN BOISE, HAS A LONG, ROBUST, IMPRESSIVE RESUME, AND HE'S OUR POINT OF CONTACT FOR, UM, ISSUES RELATED TO THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED POSSIBLY AT THE STATE HOUSE AND MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY BY IDAHO FALLS, OUR INTEREST IS FRONT AND CENTER.
SO WHILE I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE PRIOR TO HAVING A STRATEGIC PLAN IN PLACE, WHAT I HAVE BEEN LEANING INTO IS THE, UM, STRATEGIC PLAN THAT SPEAKS THE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS THAT THE MAYOR PRESENTED, UH, LAST WEEK, OR EXCUSE ME, TWO WEEKS AGO, NO, LAST WEEK.
UM, AND AS WE ROLL OUT THAT PLAN, THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD PIECES OF THAT, UM, UNDER THE
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ASPIRATIONS FOR ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SUSTAINABLE LIVING.I WAS INTERESTED TO HEAR THAT THERE MAY BE SOME EDITS TO THAT SECTION WITH THIS.
I INCLUDED THE, THE WORK AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THAT FORMAT WITH, UM, THE WORKING DOCUMENT THAT WE USE.
BUT WHAT I HAVE LEANED INTO TO SUPPORT AND GUIDE MY WORK AS I CAN, WRAPPING MY ARMS AROUND THIS VERY, UM, ROBUST AND KIND OF EVER EVOLVING BODY OF WORK IS THE ASPIRATIONS.
AND WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS WE INSTINCTIVELY ARE DOING THIS WORK, AND THIS IS OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT.
SO WE ARE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON BUSINESS GROWTH AND, AND EMPLOYMENT STABILITY.
WE'RE FOCUSING ON VIBRANT REDEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WITH OUR REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, IRA.
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH, UM, IMAGINE IF AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT HIGH QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND LAND USE PLANNING.
AGAIN, THAT TIES BACK INTO I IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, WHICH I AM AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN, AND ALSO CDS.
AND IF WE CONTINUE TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY, IF WE LOOK AT THAT, THAT, UM, IS TIED DIRECTLY TO THE GOOD WORK OF I IDAHO FALLS POWER, THE PEAKING PLANT.
OUR FIBER, WHICH IS THE FIBER NETWORK, IS A HUGE MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR BUSINESSES TO CONSIDER MOVING INTO I IDAHO FALLS, OUR ENERGY RATES, ALL OF THAT IS TIED TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
SO THIS JUST ALL MAKES MY JOB SO MUCH EASIER BECAUSE I, IDAHO FALLS IS SUCH AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO DO WORK, TO DO BUSINESS, OUR NATURAL RESOURCE CONSERVATION.
UM, WE, WE CAN BRAG ABOUT THE GOOD WORK THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS AND REC DID WITH, UM, THE SURFACE WATER CONVERSION FOR IRRIGATING, UM, PINECREST GOLF COURSE.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT AS OUR, OUR YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS ARE COMING UP AND CONSIDERING WHERE TO CITE THEIR BUSINESSES, THEY WANT TO MATCH THE BUSINESSES, THEIR BUSINESS IN A CITY THAT MATCHES THEIR PHILOSOPHIES FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS, OUR YOUNG MILLENNIAL ENTREPRENEURS HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES, UM, THAN MAYBE WHAT WAS IN THE PAST.
THEY'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW CITIES ARE MANAGING AND WHAT CITIES ARE THINKING ABOUT FOR FUTURE.
SO THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT TALKING POINT AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, WHETHER THIS IS, UM, RELATED TO ACTUALLY BUILDING OUR ROADWAYS, UM, HOW WE ARE PLANNING FOR TRANSPORTATION, WHETHER IT'S BMPO, OUR PARTNERSHIPS THERE, OR IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GIFT, UM, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE, ARE REALLY JUST GREAT ASPIRATIONS THAT HELP GUIDE ALL OF THE PIECES OF WORK THAT I DO WITH RECRUITMENT.
SO A FEW POINTS ON WHAT DAY-TO-DAY WORK LOOKS LIKE FOR ME.
UM, INCLUDES A LOT OF WORDS ON THIS, ON THIS SLIDE.
UM, BUT IT WAS HARD TO KIND OF PARE DOWN THE, THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.
ANY DAY WE, DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHO CALLS OR WHAT EMAIL I RECEIVE, UH, IT CAN, IT'S KIND OF A CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE AND IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO KNOW WHAT IS GONNA BE COMING DOWN THE PIPE, BUT IT'S REALLY EXCITING.
I THINK THAT ONE OF THE MOST, UM, IMPORTANT PIECES OF THE WORK THAT I ENJOY IS BUILDING AND MAINTAINING RELATIONSHIPS WITH KEY ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, BUSINESSES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUPS.
I WAS JUST ASKED TO JOIN A, UM, STRATEGIC PLANNING, UH, COMMITTEE WITH ALTURA, WHICH IS BASED IN REXBURG, AND THEY DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE EASTERN REGION.
THEY ARE AN SBA FUNDED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION DOING REALLY GREAT WORK AND LOOKING AT A FIVE YEAR PLAN.
SO BEING ABLE TO FIND WHERE I HAVE SOME BANDWIDTH TO EXPAND AND THEN BEING ABLE TO ALSO REEVALUATE SOME OF MY OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES WITH NONPROFIT BOARDS HAS BEEN IMPORTANT TO, TO STEP BACK WHERE I COULD AND BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT TO REPRESENT THE CITY AND REGIONAL AND STATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS TO BUILD PARTNERSHIPS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, DEVELOPERS, AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS.
IT'S SUCH A SMALL COMMUNITY HERE IN IDLE FALLS OF THE MOVERS AND SHAKERS AND THE NEWCOMERS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE FOLD.
UM, IT'S REALLY BEEN EXCITING TO, TO BUILD ON SOME DEEP RELATIONSHIPS, BUT ALSO MEET SOME NEW FOLKS TOO.
UM, ONE PIECE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS PROMOTING I FALLS BY PREPARING PRESENTATIONS, MATERIALS AND ONLINE CONTENT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I AM CURRENTLY WORKING ON WITH KIMBERLY, OUR VERY TALENTED COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST.
AND WHAT IS HERE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN WILL BE WOVEN THROUGH OUR RECRUITING DOCUMENTS THAT WE USE.
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I'M VERY EXCITED AND INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN CITY LAND USE PLANNING, MASTER PLANNING AND STRATEGIC GOALS.UH, I REALLY ENJOY LEARNING AS MUCH AS I CAN THROUGH ATTENDING MEETINGS, UH, FOLLOWING UP WITH MEETING MINUTES, ASKING QUESTIONS, SITTING AND BEING ASKED FROM OUR TALENTED DIRECTORS TO EDUCATE ME ON, UM, WHAT, WHAT AND HOW DO WE AND, AND DECIDE ON OUR ZONING, HOW AND WHERE DO ALL OF THESE PIECES FIT TOGETHER.
UH, AND THEN HOW DO WE WORK WITH THE PUBLIC AS THEY COME IN WITH THEIR REQUESTS TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTIES.
WE, WE ARE ON A, ON A PROCESS TO RESEARCH AND REVIEW PUBLIC POLICIES AND LEGISLATION.
WE HAVE A, A LIST OF LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WITH OUR, UM, STATE HOUSE LOBBYIST, STEVEN THOMAS, AND THAT, UM, WORKS UNDERWAY NOW.
MAYOR CASPER HAS BEEN A HUGE, UM, MENTOR ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE THE PRIORITY FOR THAT WORK.
AND AS I CONTINUE TO GROW AND GET MY FEET UNDER ME AND LEARN MORE, I WILL BE ABLE TO LEAD OUT ON WHAT THOSE, UM, PRIORITIES SHOULD BE.
WE'LL BE BACK WITH THOSE UPDATES, UM, AS WE, AS THE, AS THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION GETS UNDERWAY.
UM, ALSO COMMUNICATE WITH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, ALL OF YOU OTHERS, AND BE PRESENT TO, UM, REPRESENT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY IN APPROPRIATE WAYS AS, UM, MAYOR CASPER MAY NOT ALWAYS BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT, UM, MY BUDGET IS, UH, NOT HUGE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY, UH, VERY ROBUST ENOUGH TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND I'VE GOT THE, THE HIGH POINTS HERE FOR YOU.
UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WILL INCLUDE OUR TFG CONTRACT AND OUR STATE HOUSE LOBBYIST.
UM, OUR TRAVEL AND TRAINING WILL INCLUDE MY A IC TRAVEL.
UH, WE ARE ALSO ENGAGED WITH THE IDAHO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.
THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL CONFERENCE DEPENDING ON HOW TRAVEL SCHEDULES ALIGN AND MAY NOT ATTEND THEIR ANNUAL CONFERENCE THIS YEAR AND BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE SPECIFIC TASKS AT HAND.
BUT THAT IS ALSO A PIECE OF THAT.
OUR D-O-E-I-M-L TRAVEL, ANY TRAVEL TO BOISE SISTER CITIES AND OUR ECA TRAVEL, THE ECA TRAVEL IS, UM, VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY, TO THE REGION.
AND THE ECA TRAVEL IS REIMBURSABLE, SO IT'S VERY INCREDIBLE WHAT WE GET FOR OUR MEMBERSHIP WITH ECA OF $5,000 ANNUALLY.
MAYOR? NO, IT'S GONE DOWN SINCE WE'VE, UH, OH, WE ADDED, WE MADE 2,500.
SO FOR WHAT WE GET BACK, I MEAN, I, TO QUICKLY DO THE MATH IS LIKE, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
UH, DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS WILL INCLUDE OUR, MY SIDEWALK DASHBOARD, UM, WHICH IS A LIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INDICATOR THAT IS, UH, ON THE CVS WEBSITE AND THEN ALSO ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE SPECIFIC.
AND IT IS PULLED IN WITH FACTUAL DATA FROM HUD AND, UM, ALL SORTS OF CENSUS TRACKS.
SO AT ANY TIME WE CAN PULL, UM, DETAILS FROM DEVELOPERS OR REAL ESTATE INVESTORS OR JUST THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT'S WANTING TO KNOW WHAT IS THE AVERAGE WAGE, WHAT, WHERE IS OUR HOUSING, BOOM, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO US.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DATA LAG.
UM, IF IT'S COMING FROM THE CENSUS TRACKS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
BUT AT LEAST WHEN I PROVIDE THE INFORMATION FROM THAT DASHBOARD, I KNOW IT'S FACTUAL BECAUSE IT IS COMING FROM TRUSTED SOURCES.
SO THAT MEMBERSHIP IS INCLUDED THERE.
OUR IEDC MEMBERSHIP ALSO, OUR IDAHO BUSINESS REVIEW MEMBERSHIP IS WITHIN DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS.
AND THEN COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE, UM, ANY SPONSORSHIPS THAT WILL INCLUDE, UM, ANY, ANY WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TO PROMOTE AND SUPPORT, UH, THE GROUPS AROUND US, UH, TO FURTHER THE, THE POTENTIAL INVESTMENT IN, UH, RELOCATING BUSINESSES IN IDAHO FALLS, EXPANDING BUSINESSES AND RECRUITING BUSINESS.
DO YOU USE THAT FOR ADVERTISING OR ANYTHING? UM, JUST, JUST STRATEGICALLY PLACED ADVERTISING.
FOR INSTANCE, THE INL HAD A PUBLICATION THAT, UM, WE PLACED, UH, WHAT I WOULD CALL AN ADVERTISEMENT THAT WAS A FULL PAGE AD THAT WAS A THANK YOU TO THE INL FOR BEING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR 75 YEARS FROM THE CITY BY FALLS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY THOUGHTFUL IN HOW WE DO THAT KIND OF MARKETING PIECE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT ABOUT LIKE THE YELLOWSTONE TETON STUFF, SO YELLOWSTONE TETON TERRITORY, THOSE GRANTS ARE FUNNELED DIRECTLY TO PARKS AND REC TO WHOEVER THE ACTIVE DOER OF THE GRANT MONEY
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RECEIVES THOSE DOLLARS.BUT I ALSO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE WITH YTT.
UM, SO I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU GOALS, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH MY, UH, DRAFT STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL.
SO, UH, PLEASE MAKE EDITS AND COMMENTS AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT PIECE.
BUT THE GOALS MOVING FORWARD IS TO DEVELOP AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUARTERLY DASHBOARD THAT I WILL BRING BACK TO COUNCIL THAT WILL REPORT OUT TO YOU MEDIAN HOUSING COSTS, WHICH, UH, I WATCHED THIS CLOSELY CLOSELY.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE OUR MEDIAN, MEDIAN HOUSING COSTS ARE STARTING TO TICK DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING SOME HOMES UNDER $200,000 AGAIN.
UH, AND, AND WITH POTENTIAL, UH, INTEREST RATE CUTS, WE WILL SEE WHAT, WHAT THAT DOES FURTHER FOR OUR MEDIAN HOUSING COSTS.
I GREW UP HERE AND IT IS MIND BOGGLING TO ME TO NOT HAVE OUR YOUNG KIDS IN THEIR TWENTIES BE ABLE TO BUY A FIRST TIME HOME.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, UM, LANDSCAPE NOW.
AND I THINK AS WELL, UH, TOWN HOMES ARE KIND OF THAT FIRST TIME HOME NOW OPTION, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY EXCITING BECAUSE THAT THE MARKET IS RESPONDING TO THE DEMAND.
AND OUR MILLENNIAL KIDS, MOST OF 'EM I TALK TO, MY, MY OWN SON IS 20 YEARS OLD.
HE DOESN'T WANNA MOW A LAWN EVERY WEEKEND.
HE WANTS TO GO AND DO FUN THINGS WITH HIS FRIENDS.
SO THAT MEETING HOUSING, MEDIAN HOUSING COST, I THINK IS GONNA BE INTERESTING FOR CASTLE TO TRACK.
JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST A NOTE FOR YOU, CATHERINE.
WE JUST TALKED TODAY ABOUT, UM, TRYING TO GET THE WORD TOWN HOMES OUT OF OUR CITY CODE.
IS THAT WHAT WE WANNA CALL IT? YES, SIR.
WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET, BUT JUST ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS.
I WILL WORK HARD TO UPDATE MY LANGUAGE.
UM, I DO GET ASKED OFTEN WHEN I'M OUT AND ABOUT, WHEN IS THE CITY GONNA STOP BUILDING ALL THOSE APARTMENTS? WHEN IS THE CITY GONNA STOP ALL THESE MULTIFAMILY? AND THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT IDAHO.
WE ARE A PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE, AND THE CITY FACILITATES THE ZONING AND THE MARKET TELLS THE PUBLIC AND THOSE DEVELOPERS WHAT IT DEMANDS.
SO IT'S BEEN REALLY FUN TO RESPOND TO THOSE, UM, QUESTIONS AND REMIND PEOPLE THAT YOU LIVE IN IDAHO BECAUSE YOU LOVE WHAT IDAHO STANDS FOR, AND IT STANDS FOR PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY WITHIN THE ZONING FRAMEWORK.
UM, I'M ALSO VERY FASCINATED BY THE BUILDING PERMITS NUMBERS, WHAT WE HAVE COMING THROUGH THE HOPPER FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
AGAIN, BACK TO THOSE UNATTACHED DWELLING UNITS, UH, WHAT DO THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS OUR CURRENT HOUSING STOCK AND WHAT IS THE GROWTH IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS? WE MET WITH, UH, SUPERINTENDENT CARLA LA ORANGE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND I WAS FASCINATED TO LEARN THAT THE GROWTH THAT THEY, THE STREET 91 IS SEEING IN THE HOUSING IS VERY DISPORT PORCH DISPROPORTIONATE IN THE SCHOOL BOUNDARIES.
AND THE SCHOOLS IN THE NORTH HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE, AND THE SCHOOLS IN THE SOUTH OF IDAHO HALLS ARE AT THEIR, AT THEIR LIMIT, AND EVEN MORE SO, UM, AT BEYOND CAPACITY.
SO BEING AWARE OF THAT IS INTERESTING AS WE'RE TALKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND HELPING TO INFORM THEIR DECISIONS ON WHERE NEXT TO CONSIDER BUILDING AND WHAT THE FLOW INTO THE SCHOOLS FOR ELEMENTARY KIDS, UH, WILL BE REFLECTIVE OF.
BASED ON THOSE SCHOOL NUMBERS, I HOPE TO ROLL OUT, I PLAN TO ROLL OUT A ROBUST SOCIAL MEDIA AND LINKEDIN PRESENCE TIED, TIED TO OUR TELLING, OUR STORY CONCEPT OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM HAS DEVELOPED.
AND WE'LL DO THAT THROUGH AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LENS.
WE WILL INCLUDE OUR CONNECTING THE COMMUNITY, UM, EFFORT THAT IS SO IMPRESSIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GET ANYWHERE, UH, POTENTIALLY ON BIKE OR FOOT.
WE WILL BE HIGHLIGHTING BUSINESS SECTORS, BUSINESS LEADERS, COMMUNITY LEADERS, AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, AND TELLING THOSE STORIES AND TYING ALL BACK TO THE SUCCESS OF THE CITY OF ILE FALLS.
ONE EXAMPLE THAT I LOVE THAT CAME FROM MARGARET WINDBORN, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF, IS THAT WE SUPPORT BUSINESS BECAUSE WE ARE ALWAYS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM IS PLANNING FOR FUTURE GROWTH AND BEING VERY STRATEGIC.
SO WHILE THE WOODRUFF AND 17TH CONSTRUCTION WAS A LITTLE PAINFUL FOR SOME PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH, AND I DON'T WANT TO, UM, MINIMIZE THE IMPACT THOSE BUSINESSES SAW JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THE, THE PAYOFF OF THAT INTERSECTION AND WHAT IS NOW A VERY NICE DRIVABLE HIGH CAPACITY, UM, INTERSECTION IS REMARKABLE.
AND THAT IS, IS IN REFLECTION TO THE GROWTH THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING.
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I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY CONCERNS, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK THAT I NEED TO ADD AND MOVE ON TO MY DRAFT STRATEGIC PLAN, OR WE CAN DO IT AT THE END.YOU TELL ME HOW YOU WANT TO ROLL.
IT'S MORE OF A CALENDAR QUESTION, BUT YOU MENTIONED THE NEW NUCLEAR MM-HMM
I DON'T HAVE THAT ON MY CALENDAR.
WE ARE JUST BARELY PULLING THAT TOGETHER.
SO AS SOON AS IT IS APRIL 20, UH, SECOND THROUGH THE 25TH, AND THE DATE DID CHANGE FROM THE MAY DATE.
UM, BUT I'VE BEEN, I PUT FLYERS IN YOUR BOXES AS EARLY AS LAST SEPTEMBER, SO, BUT THE DATE DID CHANGE.
UM, AND SO, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT CARLA OKAY.
SO LET ME WE'LL, SURE WE GET, YEAH, IT, IT, IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY NEAT EVENT FOR THE CITY TO HIGHLIGHT AND SHOW OFF WHY WE ARE SUCH A SPECIAL COMMUNITY AND FOLKS ARE IN THE, IN THE NEW NUCLEAR SPACE, ARE JUST CHOPPING AT THE BIT TO BE ABLE TO TOUR I NATIONAL LABORATORY AND THE CLEANUP PROJECT, AND THEN POTENTIALLY NRF AS WELL.
SO, SO YOU'LL GET THE CALENDAR? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CARLY NEEDS TO SEND IT SO IT STAYS.
SO, UM, OH, WAIT, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THAT PAGE UNTIL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, IN ORDER TO, FOR, FOR FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REPORT ENDS TO BE FRUITFUL AND PRODUCTIVE AND TO HIT AT THE THINGS THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO YOU.
CAN WE GO BACK ONE SLIDE? YEAH.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY WHAT KINDS OF, UH, THINGS DO, DO YOU LOOK AT? DO YOU LOOK FOR, UM, THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE A REPORT ON OR SEE INCLUDED IN A REPORT IF WE'RE CREATING A DASHBOARD THAT HAS ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU CARE ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC HEALTH, WHAT'S ON THAT DASHBOARD? SHE HAS SOME GOOD ITEMS LISTED HERE, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS
RENT, RENT AMOUNTS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE THE MEDIAN HOUSING COSTS.
THERE MIGHT BE A NUMBER OF UNITS AVAILABLE TOO, KIND OF A THING, RIGHT? AND WHY THE CITY IS BUILDING SO MANY YEAH.
MAYBE THE, I'M SUPER INTERESTED CATHERINE IN THE POVERTY RATE.
I THINK IT IS A REALLY GREAT INDICATOR THAT WE DEDUCT REDUCING THAT DURING 2020 TO 2022, LIKE NUMBERS REDUCE THE POVERTY RATE FROM 11% TO 9% WHEN EVERYONE WILL GETTING THOSE $600 CHECKS OR WHATEVER, THEY WERE THREE AND WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO 11% IN POVERTY IN BON COUNTY.
AND THEN WE'RE, 18% OF OUR CHILDREN ARE IN POVERTY.
37% OF PEOPLE ACCORDING TO RECENT STUDIES, IF THEY COULDN'T MAKE THEIR OBLIGATION AND THEIR BILLS.
SO THAT'S 40% OF PEOPLE CAN'T PAY THEIR OBLIGATIONS, SO THEY'RE PUTTING IT ON THEIR CREDIT CARDS.
THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR CREDIT CARDS.
THEY'RE JUST CHOOSING WHO NOT TO PAY.
THEY'RE JUST NOT, AND THEN 60% CAN'T SURVIVE A $500 CRISIS, AND FIVE AND 60% DON'T HAVE, CAN'T SURVIVE.
A, THOSE INDICATED PATTERNS WOULD BE INTERESTING LOCALLY, IF YOU CAN GET SOME OF THAT DATA, SOME OF IT'S GONNA BE EASY TO GET.
SOME OF IT'S NOT GONNA BE EASY
BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING INDICATOR IF WE'RE HAVING, IF WE'RE LIFTING ALL BOATS, YOU KNOW, NOT 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I WORK IN SECTOR, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S ALSO JUST, ARE WE GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY BECAUSE WE'RE BRINGING NEW BUSINESSES THAT HAVE GOOD JOBS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA ABLE TO TRAINING.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY FASCINATING AND SPEAKS TO SOME THINGS THAT DON'T JUST SPEAK TO PRIVILEGE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THINKING ABOUT YOU COULD ADD A NUMBER INTO THAT TRACKING NUMBER OF CHILDREN ELIGIBLE FOR FREE AND SUPPORTING LUNCHES.
SCHOOL DISTRICT ALWAYS HAS THAT NUMBER, I BELIEVE, AND IT'S AN AMAZINGLY HIGH NUMBER AT SEVERAL SCHOOLS.
I I WAS THINKING TOO, WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THIS ABOUT A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, LIKE IN THE, IN THE HEALTH DIS HEALTH AREA, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU, YOU MENTIONED IIC AND YOU MENTIONED MOUNTAIN VIEW, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED AT EACH OF THOSE PLACES.
SOME OF THE DATA, UH, MAY NOT EXIST IN A, IN A READY FORMAT THAT CAN BE PICKED UP.
BUT IF IT, UH, IF YOU ARE AWARE OF WHERE IT LIVES OR IF IT, IT IS, IF IT DOES LIVE SOMEWHERE THAT'S EASILY ACCESSED, THEN I THINK IT CAN PUT IN.
BUT IF, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT CAPTAINS JOB LENDS ITSELF TO DOING
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ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, UH, LIKE A, LIKE A, A LABOR STATISTICIAN WOULD.BUT, UH, WE, WE, YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE IF, IF THIS COULD BE IN A NUMBERS INSTEAD OF A PERCENTAGE, OR MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT IT CAME AS A PERCENTAGE AND THERE ISN'T REALLY A WAY TO GET IT BACK OUT, BUT I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD CALL AR AND YOU COULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE, YOU COULD TALK TO THEIR, TO THEIR, YOU KNOW, TALK TO IC AND THEY, AND YOU COULD SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK AT YOUR WORK, YOU KNOW, UNDER YOUR UMBRELLA.
THEY CAN SAY, WELL, WE GOT 800 EMPLOYEES.
I MEAN, WE KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF IDAHO, OHIO.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE A PRETTY BIG EMPLOYER FOR THE, FOR THE AREA TOO.
YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT MENTION US.
I, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, HAVE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AT CULTURAL OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE THOSE CAN BE SEEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY OR THE SAME CATEGORY, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE ARTS AND OTHER THINGS? I THINK ANOTHER INDICATOR THAT WOULD BE AWESOME IS OUR, THAT RATE, LIKE, NOT THE RATE, BUT HOW BIG OUR LEVY IS.
WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL, IT WAS FOUR TO 5 BILLION.
SO IN YOUR EVALUATION YEAH, OUR EVALUATION SECTION, I'VE GOT THAT DATA ON MY COMPUTER.
YEAH, WE DEFINITELY SEE IT, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE AS THOSE HOUSING GO, SO, AND IT REALLY TELLS US WHETHER WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM IN A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW WITH OUR RATE.
IF YOU THINK OF OTHER, UH, INDICATORS, UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DATA LIVES, UH, CATHERINE KNOW, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
ALRIGHT, THEN ON THEN TO THE NEXT PART.
SO AGAIN, THIS, UH, IS IN DRAFT FORMAT, UH, FOR OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
BUT WHAT I'VE INCLUDED HERE ARE JUST SOME ANECDOTAL, UH, COMMENTS THROUGH AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND THEN IN A LONG, LONGER PIECE THAT ARE ALL BASED IN RESEARCH AND OBSERVATIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, I PLAN TO UPDATE THIS, UH, PER INCLUSIONS THAT I NEED TO CONSIDER.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THIS LIVE ON OUR WEBSITE FOR A DOWNLOAD.
I'VE INCLUDED OUR STORY, WHICH, UM, GOES INTO MORE OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT MAKES UP THE FABRIC OF OUR BUSINESS, UH, LANDSCAPE HERE IN IDAHO, IDAHO FALLS.
AND IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT WHY WE ARE SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND DO BUSINESS IN.
THEN I'VE GOT OUR KEY INDUSTRIES.
UM, OF COURSE ENERGY IS A HUGE PART OF OUR, UH, UH, INDUSTRY OR OUR, OUR SECTORS, UM, DUE TO THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING OUT AT THE IL AND WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH A ROBUST HEALTHCARE, UH, INDUSTRY HERE AS WELL.
UH, AGRICULTURAL IS AGRICULTURE IS KIND OF OUR OWN SON HERO.
THAT IS WHAT BROUGHT, UM, AG BROUGHT IDLE FALLS TO WHAT IT IS TODAY AND, UM, WAS REALLY THE BASIS OF THE GENIUS PEOPLE THAT WE HAD THE, UH, FOUNDED IDAHO FALLS AND DEVELOPED THE CANAL SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO IRRIGATE AND GROW, UH, PLANTS IN THE HIGH DESERT.
SO I THINK SOMETIMES WE FORGET TO TALK ABOUT ACT, BUT IT IS A HUGE PIECE OF OUR INDUSTRY.
UM, AND THEN I'VE BROKEN OUT OUR INDUSTRY SECTORS BY THEIR KEY DRIVERS AND THE IMPACT, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY EACH, UH, INDUSTRY HAS, ITS VERY UNIQUE, UM, IMPACT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT THE INL PROVIDES VERY HIGH PAYING JOBS TO OUR POPULATION AND, UM, HAS SERVED OUR COMMUNITY WELL.
UM, NOT ONLY WITH, UH, ROBUST WAGES, BUT ALSO HELPING TO BUILD OUT OUR DOWNTOWN AND OUR CULTURAL SCENE HERE IN EAST IDAHO AND IDAHO, IDAHO FALLS.
I THINK THEY'VE BEEN A LEADER TO, UM, PROVIDE SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS AND HELP DEVELOP OUR DOWNTOWN.
UM, I DON'T WANNA READ THIS THROUGH, UM, VERBATIM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE PIECES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
AGAIN, I INCLUDED THE ASPIRATIONS IN ON PAGE EIGHT.
THIS IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND, UM, IS TIED BACK TO THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING PLANNING THE COUNCIL DID AND IS REFERENCED HERE.
SO NOT ONLY ARE WE REFERENCING IMAGINE IF, BUT WE'RE ALSO REFERENCING OUR PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING.
AND ALL OF THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES THAT I'VE DEVELOPED ON PAGE NINE THROUGH 13 TIE DIRECTLY TO THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING AS WELL.
SO TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, UM, IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, ALL OF THESE WILL BE DONE.
UM, BUT THE TOP OF THE LIST IS OUR DEVELOP
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A BUSINESS ATTRACTION AND RETENTION PROGRAM.THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR TO-DO LIST FOR, UH, THE FIRST DAY THAT I, I STARTED THE CITY BUD TOLD ME WE NEED TO GET A, A ATTRACTION AND RETENTION PROGRAM.
AND NOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, MORE OF OUR FRAMEWORK AND THE LOOK AND FEEL OF WHAT, WHAT THOSE PIECES WILL DEVELOP INTO, I FEEL THAT WE'RE READY TO GO, UM, AND START REALLY THINKING THROUGH WHAT THAT, WHAT THOSE TANGIBLE TAKEAWAYS WILL BE, WHAT THE WEBSITE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WILL, WILL LOOK LIKE, HOW WE WE MATCH ALL OF THAT TO OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND OUR LINKEDIN PRESENCE.
AND THEN, UM, HOW, HOW AND WHAT WE DO TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES INTO IDAHO.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION, THE COLLEGE OF EASTERN IDAHO UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF LORI BARBER, SHE'S DEVELOPED AN ADVANCEMENT COUNCIL AND THOSE MEETINGS ARE HELD QUARTERLY.
AND THAT ADVANCEMENT COUNCIL IS HELPING TO GUIDE THE WORK OF CEI FROM A VERY HIGH LEVEL.
AND I'M VERY ENGAGED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH CEI, WHICH IS OUR DIRECT LINK TO WORKFORCE, UH, TRAINING.
AND THEY'RE SEEING AN EXPLOSION OF GROWTH DUE TO LAUNCH AND EXPANDING THEIR CLASSES OVER TO ISU AND U OF I'S UNIVERSITY PLACE.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE CLASSROOM SPACE THAT IS NOT BEING USED BY ISU AND AND U OF I.
SO CONTINUING TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE TRADITIONAL CLASSES THAT CEI WILL OFFER AND THEN ALSO THE VERY LARGE DIVISION OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE, UM, VERY INTERESTING AND, AND FUN TO WATCH.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE WORK OF IDLE FALLS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS.
CDS, UH, WORKS CLOSELY WITH I-F-D-D-C TO ATTEND THEIR MONTHLY BOARD MEETINGS.
I DO NOT ATTEND JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD FOR ME BEING, THAT WAS MY, MY, MY PREVIOUS ROLE.
AND, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HAVE THE BUFFER THERE FOR CDS AND THEN I CAN PROVIDE ANY, ANY HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT NEED.
BUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA WE KNOW IS GROWING LIKE CRAZY AND YOUR PER CAPITA SQUARE FOOT OF DOWNTOWN RETAIL SPACE, UM, IS VERY VALUABLE IN THE, IN OUR INVENTORY OF BUSINESS, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO IT WILL BE GREAT TO WATCH DOWNTOWN CONTINUE TO GROW, AND THEN WE WILL GROW OUT HOPEFULLY SOUTH FROM BROADWAY TO PAD CARRY.
THAT SOUTH DOWNTOWN AREA, I THINK IS MIXED TO REALLY TAKE OFF AND EXPAND THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ALONG CAPITAL.
WE WILL FOSTER INNOVATION AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP, UM, WITH CREATING A SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR STARTUPS AND SMALL BUSINESSES TO THRIVE AND INNOVATE.
SO NOT ONLY WILL WE PARTNER WITH BIO NATIONAL LABORATORY AND LOCAL UNIVERSITIES TO PROMOTE THEIR TECH TRANSFERS AND COMMERCIALIZATION AND RESEARCH, WHICH WE SAW THROUGH THE, UM, TECH HUB GRANT THAT LAST YEAR WAS PUT TOGETHER FOR THE, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION THROUGH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.
BUT WE WILL ALSO BE COLLABORATING WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES GRANT ADMINISTRATOR TO MARKET THE I A PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES LOW INTEREST LOANS FOR STARTUPS.
WE ALSO WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
THEY, THERE'S A, UM, INCUBATOR PROGRAM THAT PAUL BAKER IS, UM, LAUNCHING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND WE'LL BE CLOSELY WATCHING AND BEING ABLE TO BE AS SUPPORTIVE AND HELPFUL AS THEY NEED, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S WONDERFUL TO HAVE THEM DO THE WORK.
AND WE CAN COME IN AND, AND HELP AND MAYBE EVEN FILL SOME GAPS WHERE, WHERE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE INVESTMENT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THE LOOK WORKING WITH PAID TO SECURE AND IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR GIFT TRACKING, ANY GRANT FUNDING THAT'S COMING THROUGH.
UM, LTAC, OUR BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC GROWTH IS REALLY EXCITING THAT, UM, FIBER, THE FIBER BUILD OUT IS COMPLETE AND BEING ABLE TO ADD THAT INTO OUR MARKETING MATERIALS AS THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLACE, BUT IF YOU ARE A REMOTE WORKER AND YOU NEED HIGH SPEED INTERNET TO CONNECT WITH WHEREVER YOUR HOME OFFICE MAY BE ON ONE OF THE COASTS, UM, YOU CAN MOVE A SATELLITE OFFICE HERE, OR, UM, OUR GOOD FRIENDS FROM WHATEVER STATE THAT WANTS TO MOVE HERE TO IDAHO CAN EFFECTIVELY RUN A BUSINESS OR, UM, JUST WORK REMOTE.
THEN WE WILL ALSO WORK ON ENHANCING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE INITIATIVES.
IT IS NOT HARD TO, UH, TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT
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MAKE IDLE FALLS AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.WE WERE REMARKING THE OTHER MORNING IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE MOVED TO IDLE FALLS AND THEY SAY, WE JUST LOVE I IDAHO FALLS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND MY FRIENDS THAT ARE IN THEIR FORTIES THAT WE ALL GREW UP HERE AND GRADUATED AND WANTED TO GET THE HECK OUT OF HERE.
AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND I LIKE TO CALL THOSE KIDS THE BOOMERANG KIDS BECAUSE ILE FALLS HAS REALLY, UM, GROWN AND IS SUCH AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE FOR, UM, KIDS THAT ARE YOUNGER.
MY KIDS NEVER WANNA LEAVE IDLE FALLS.
THEY THINK IT'S THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD, BUT, UH, WHICH IS MAYBE GOOD OR BAD, I'M NOT SURE YET.
UM, I WANT THEM TO GO EXPLORE THE WORLD A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M FINDING A LOT OF, UH, FOLKS IN KIND OF BACK FORTIES AND FIFTIES DEMOGRAPHIC ARE COMING BACK TO ILE FALLS BECAUSE, UM, WE OFFER SOMETHING THAT OTHER PLACES JUST CAN'T.
I'M ALSO MAKING SURE AS I CAN CONSISTENTLY PARTICIPATE IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ADVOCATE FOR DEVELOPMENT ZONES THAT ENCOURAGE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT TO REDUCE SPRAWL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MAGIC PIECES OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
AS WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD, TO FOCUS ON INFILL AND ALLOW OUR FARMLAND AND THE COUNTY TO REMAIN FARMLAND.
WE ALSO WILL BE WORKING HARD TO LEARN AND CULTIVATE OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR DEVELOPERS.
AND OF COURSE, DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT THE ROLE OF THE CITY OF AT FALLS YET.
IT IS REALLY, UM, HELPFUL THAT WE STAY IN THE MIX OF ALL CONVERSATIONS.
WE'RE AWARE OF, UH, A POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
AND IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY TO, TO ESTABLISH A DISTRICT FOR THE PURPOSE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, COMMUNICATE TO THOSE DEVELOPERS.
WE DID HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, LOW INCOME HOUSING OR, OR I WOULDN'T SAY LOW INCOME, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT TERM, BUT I WOULD SAY MORE SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVER ON THE BUSH ANDERSON, UM, REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX IS OPEN, AND I KNOW WORKFORCE FOLKS ARE LIVING THERE BECAUSE MY SON WAS DATING A GAL THAT WAS A DENTIST, DENTAL HYGIENIST, AND, AND SHE LIVED IN THOSE APARTMENTS AND IT, THEY WERE, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE AND IT'S AFFORDABLE FOR A YOUNG PERSON THAT IS JUST STARTING THEIR CAREER.
AND THAT PROJECT WAS MADE POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT'S FUNDING WITH TAX INCREMENT FINANCING.
IT'S BUILT ON A BIG BLOCK OF ASSAULT AND THERE WAS NO WAY THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO BLAST OUT ALL OF THAT ASSAULT TO BUILD THAT PIECE OF, UH, PROPERTY OUT WITHOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
UM, WE ALSO CONTINUE TO WORK, I WILL WORK WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES, COUNTIES, AND REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.
SO THE ALTURA IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT REGIONAL, UM, CONNECTION THAT I'M EXCITED TO EXPAND.
AND, UM, COLLABORATING ON TOURISM AND MARKETING INITIATIVES IS GONNA BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO FOCUS ON.
I HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT TOURISM PROBABLY AS MUCH AS I SHOULD BECAUSE TOURISM IS A HUGE PIECE OF, UH, WHAT MAKES I FALLS SO SPECIAL AND THE AMOUNT OF VISITORS THAT WE HAVE IN THE SUMMERTIME FOR TOURISM AND THEN ALSO IN THE WINTERTIME AS, AS PEOPLE ARE COMING TO, UM, SKI AT THEIR REMARKABLE SKI RESORTS AND SNOWMOBILE IN THE REMARKABLE PLACES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE IDAHO FALLS TOURISM WILL CONTINUE TO BE A BIG PIECE OF WHAT WE DO.
SO SOME OF THESE IMPLEMENTATION OFF, UM, IDEAS WILL INCLUDE PILOT PRO PROGRAMS. WE WILL MONITOR AND EVALUATE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE VERY ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SILOED IN OUR EFFORTS AND WE'RE ALSO NOT, UM, GOING DOWN A PATH THAT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S TONE DEAF.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR EFFORTS ARE, UM, ARE, ARE COLLABORATIVE AND WE'RE LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC AND THE OTHERS IN THE ARENA DOING THIS WORK.
UM, WE DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE EFFORTS.
SO I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, EDITS, ANY THOUGHTS? WELL, IS ITO FALLS POWER BIG ENOUGH TO BE ADDED TO YOUR KEY DRIVER OF ENERGY SINCE IT'S A A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR LEADING EDGE
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POWER COMPANY IN THE UNITED STATES? WELL, COUNCILMAN FRANCIS, I AM GLAD YOU POINTED THAT OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S A GROSS OMISSION ON MY PART.WE, I BRAGGED QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE FIBER AND THE LOW ENERGY RATES, BUT WE SHOULD TALK MORE ABOUT, I CAUSE POWER AS A WHOLE.
IF YOU HAVE INPUTS OR IDEAS THAT COME TO MIND OR QUESTIONS OR, OR ANY THOUGHTS AT ALL? UH, MY, UH, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT WORKING WITH CATHERINE IS SHE'S VERY FLEXIBLE AND, UH, VERY WILLING TO LISTEN TO A GOOD IDEA OR TO A CONCERN.
SO, UM, THOSE THINGS CAN BE WORKED INTO THE PLAN.
FEEDBACK IS, IS VERY MUCH INTERESTING.
WELL, GIVEN THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON.
BUT THANK YOU CATHERINE, FOR SHARING ALL OF THAT WORK AND, UH, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS BURNING THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO SAY YES, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU ALL YOU'VE DONE.
SINCE YOU'VE COME HERE 18 MONTHS AGO.
IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT YOU'RE HERE.
[Mayor and Council]
UM, THE LAST, UH, PART HERE IS THE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF, UH, JUST THE ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT I HAVE AND THEN WE'LL GO AROUND THE ROOM.UM, THIS CALENDAR LOOKS PRETTY FAMILIAR.
I HOPE I CORRECTED THE ERRORS THAT WERE IN IT, BUT, UM, ONE JUST LIKE IT.
ANY, UH HUH THAT ONE JUST LIKE IT.
SO I JUST FIXED THE MIRRORS AND TOOK OFF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE PAST.
BUT, UM, WANTED TO, UH, MENTION THAT FRIDAY'S, UH, AGENDA IS LOOKING LIKE IT WILL HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON IT.
UM, THERE ARE ONLY TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE, UH, REPRESENTED.
THERE ARE THREE BID AWARDS AND ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
UH, ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WOULD BE THEN HAVING A MEETING ON FRIDAY, THURSDAY NIGHT, WHICH CONSISTS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PLEDGE AND, UH, PARDON PUBLIC HEARING.
WE, I DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
I CHECKED AT ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK TODAY, SO MAYBE SOMETHING HASN'T COME THROUGH YET.
WE NEED TO SORT THAT OUT BECAUSE THE IMPACT GOOD NOTICE FOR OH, OKAY.
IT JUST HASN'T, THAT MEMO HASN'T GONE THROUGH YET.
UM, TYPICALLY THE MEMOS ARE DUE SO THAT I CAN REVIEW THEM OVER THE WEEKEND.
UM, AND IF NOT, I USUALLY TO SEE 'EM MONDAY MORNING.
SO THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T SEE IT THIS MORNING MEANS THAT SOMETHING IS FILLED IN THE SYSTEM.
BUT, UH, OKAY, SO ONE HEARING.
SO ANYWAY, IT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY BRIEF MEETING.
UM, SO BACK TO FIVE ITEMS AND THREE DEPARTMENTS.
THEN, UM, AND, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, VERY QUICKLY ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, WATER SUMMIT WITH CITY OFFICIALS DAY.
SO, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T LET CARLA KNOW YOU WANT TO GO, UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DO.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO STAY AT THE GROVE, SHE CAN MAKE THAT.
OTHERWISE YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN ACCOMMODATIONS.
UM, THERE ARE CHEAPER PLACES TO STAY THAN THE GROVE, SO YOU MAY, UH, WANT TO FACTOR THAT IN, UM, IF YOU, UH, LIKE SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SO I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, UM, IF YOU, UH, REASON THAT, UH, COUNCIL RECORD THAT YOU BROUGHT UP MEETING MINUTES, BUT I KNOW THAT IT WAS A DISCUSSION LAST WEEK AND I KNOW THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY THEN RESPONDED.
UM, AND I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE TAKING MINUTES, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL US HOW TO VOTE TO ACCEPT THEM, JUST THAT WE HAVE TO.
AND, UM, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A SIMPLE MATTER TO PUT THEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, IT FEELS TO ME LIKE, UH, THEN WE CAN TELL THE PUBLIC WE ARE APPROVING THE MINUTES OR WE'RE ACCEPTING THE MINUTES THAT WAY.
AND SO I, I'M GONNA KEEP DOING THAT UNLESS YOU CAN, UH, GUESS, UH, YOU GUYS EITHER CHANGE MY MIND OR, OR EXPRESS YOURS IF YOU WOULD PREFER THAT WE NO LONGER PUT THEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SOMETHING I RAN INTO WITH ROBERT RULE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR STATE LAW.
HE, THE MORE PREDICTABLE YOU ARE AND THE MORE LOGICAL YOU ARE, THE MORE, UH, TRANSPARENT YOU, YOU APPEAR TO THE PUBLIC.
SO UNLESS WE HAVE A REALLY COMPELLING REASON TO CHANGE OUR PRACTICE OF DOING SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SORT OF EXPECT ANYWAY, UM, MOVING ON.
UM, IDA, UM, LAST OR THIS PAST FRIDAY WHEN WE HAD OUR BOARD MEETING, THIS IS ON THE BACK PAGE, UM, DIRECTOR TURNER TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, UM, A DRAFT DIS THAT HE WAS GONNA START REVIEWING AND, AND READ IT OVER THE, OVER THE HOLIDAY BREAK.
UM, APPARENTLY HE RECEIVED A NOTIFICATION ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON THAT, UM, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAYS ADMINISTRATION SAID, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH IDT ON A, UH, SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
AND SO, UM, THAT MEANS THAT THE EIS IS GONNA BE DELAYED SO HE CAN'T READ IT OVER THE HOLIDAYS, WHICH MEANS THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE A NICER HOLIDAY.
HE MIGHT BE, INSTEAD OF BEING THE GROUCHY DAD WHO'S READING BORING
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WORK, HE CAN BE THE DAD, THE FUN DAD WHO PLAYS WITH HIS KIDS.BUT THERE WILL COME THAT TIME WHEN THE DRAFT EIS DOES COME THROUGH PROBABLY LATER JANUARY THREE OR FOUR WEEK DELAY.
AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'LL HAPPEN.
UM, HUMAN RESOURCES, IN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, HR HAD SAID, UM, THAT, OR I HAD ASKED AT ONE POINT, CAN YOU JUST SEND US THE CLEAN COPY? AND, UM, THAT TURNED OUT TO BE A MUCH BIGGER ASK THAN I THOUGHT.
AND YOU KNOW HOW SOMETIMES WHEN, UM, WE'RE REVIEWING AN ORDINANCE CHANGE AND LEGAL GIVES US THE MARKED UP COPY IN, IN, IN TRACK CHANGES, AND THEN WE GET THE CLEAN COPY WITH WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE ADOPTED.
UM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE HR DEPARTMENT IS DOING IS BREAKING UP ALL THOSE POLICIES.
THEY'VE GOT LIKE 20 OR SOMETHING OR 25 DOCUMENTS AND TO GO IN AND CLEAN COPY AND ACCEPT ALL THE CHANGES IN EACH ONE OF THE, IT IS RATHER LIKE INTENSIVE.
AND SO IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE, UH, IF YOU'D RATHER NOT HAVE STAFF RESOURCES DIRECTED THAT WAY, UM, HE SAID IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR THING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE A CLEAN VERSION OF, BECAUSE THE MARKED UP ONE IS TOO CONFUSING, HE'S HAPPY TO SEND THAT OR DO THAT WORK FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO ORDINANCES THAT YOU, THAT THE ONES THAT YOU'RE FOCUSED ON, RATHER THAN DOING 'EM ALL, UM, HE DID SAY THAT YOU HOVER OVER THE COLORING, IT WILL, UH, INDICATE WHO WROTE THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THE COLORS SIGNIFY.
THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT SIGNIFYING, THIS WAS AN EDIT.
THIS WAS A, UH, CHANGE OF AN ACCEPTANCE.
THIS WAS ALL LANGUAGE, THIS WAS NEW.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE LANGUAGE THAT I COPIED STRAIGHT OUT OF THE AN ENERGY COMMUNITIES ALLIANCE UPDATE TODAY, UM, ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, NEED TO PASS A CONTINUING RESOLUTION THIS WEEK.
UM, BUT IF WE DON'T SEE SOMETHING COME BEFORE MIDNIGHT, THEY MAY NOT MAKE THEIR OWN DEADLINES AND GET IT DONE BY THIS WEEK, BUT THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE A CR ADOPTED BY BOTH HOUSES THIS WEEK SO THAT THEY, AND THEN THEY WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE US THROUGH TO MARCH.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE EVER DENIED THEMSELVES A HOLIDAY, BUT, UH, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT AB IS DOING THERE.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE.
I THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT OTHERS, IF WE HAVE, WE CAN GO AROUND THE ROOM AND WE'LL START WITH OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
UM, ONLY COULD MAKE THE POINT THAT IT WILL BE A FAST MEETING, BUT THAT HEARING IS TERRIBLY IMPORTANT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OH, THERE'S THIS MANY THINGS AND THERE'S A HEARING.
SO IF THAT, THAT ORDINANCE HEARING IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WILL BE HEARING AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO, WE HAVE GET THAT, GET THAT DONE.
WHAT HEARING WELL ON THURSDAY, WE MENTIONED WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, MAYBE WE WOULD CANCEL THE, THE, OR POSTPONE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SAY, WELL DO WE REALLY NEED TO MEET? BUT IF WE HAVE THAT HEARING, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN OKAY.
SO THURSDAY IS A FOR SURE ON THE, YEAH.
AND THESE, UH, FOR PRIMARILY WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE, THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE THAT WE KNOW OR HAD WANTED TO MAKE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT THAT ARE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT FOR US.
NEXT EXPEDIT, I NOW THAT WE ARE UNDER SOME SCRUTINY THERE, LEGAL SCRUTINY, I ASSUME IT'S JUST, YEAH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST TO COMMUNICATE TO EVERYONE THAT AND POWER DID SAY THAT, UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, POSTPONING UNTIL JANUARY ON THEIR PURCHASES, EVEN THOUGH THEIR, THEIR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS RESTOCKING THAT INVENTORY, THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH, UH, THEIR FREE CONSENT ITEMS. AND THEY SAID THAT THE LONG LEAVE TIMES, IT'S JUST, AND, AND CHANGING PRICES, THEY WANNA LOCK IT IN.
THAT, THAT IS EVERYTHING FROM YOU.
VERY GOOD COUNSELOR FREE JUST, UH, GIFT WORK TOMORROW MORNING, 10:00 AM ANYBODY'S INTERESTED.
UM, WE'RE STILL HAMMERING AWAY ON OUR, ON OUR, UM, GEEZ, I'M DRAWING A BLANK.
YOU'RE, THERE'S ALSO, UH, THIS TO JUST TALK ABOUT FOR A SECOND IS THAT OH YEAH.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT TOKENS NOW TO WRITE GIFT WITH, WITH A QR CODE ON THE BACK OF THEM.
UM, THEY'RE ROLLING THEM OUT RIGHT NOW.
KATE MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT THEM BEING MADE IN AMERICA AND, UM, PART OF A GRANT.
AND, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE THESE OUT TO PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, CAN'T AFFORD THEM OR, OR OTHERWISE.
UM, THEY'RE JUST GONNA SPREAD 'EM AROUND AND GIVE BASICALLY A FREE RIDE TO PEOPLE THAT'S PAID FOR WITH A GRANT.
THAT'S SO IT'S NOT COSTING US ANYTHING.
UM, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A FOCUS ON, ON SAVING LIVES AS IN DRUNK DRIVING OR THAT IS
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A, THAT IS A POINT.UM, IT SAYS RIGHT ON THIS ONE SIDE, NEVER DRINK AND DRIVE, GET A, GET A LIFT FROM GIFT.
SO IT'S ENCOURAGING PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT CELEBRATING OVER THE HOLIDAYS TO DON'T DRIVE YOUR CAR AND TAKE A RIDE HOME WITH YOU.
I THINK OUR, OUR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WELL OUR DOWNTOWN PATROL OFFICERS WILL HAVE POCKET POCKET OF THOSE POCKETFUL OF THOSE I LIKE GIVING THEM AWAY PEOPLE.
AND THEN WE HAVE A ER SWEARING IN CEREMONY AND AWARDS, UH, CEREMONY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT 5:00 PM ON THURSDAY BEFORE COUNCIL MEETING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS FRIDAY FOR SOME REASON.
YEAH, THURSDAY, FRIDAY NIGHT'S THE AT TV LIGHT PARADE.
AND THAT'S SIX O'CLOCK AT THE UT V, EXCUSE ME.
SIX O'CLOCK IF YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER.
WE'RE MEETING AT THREE O'CLOCK OR FOUR O'CLOCK.
SO IF YOU WANNA AT THE MOUNTAIN AMERICA CENTER AT THE PARKING LOT AND THEY SW UP REALLY EARLY LAST YEAR.
YEAH, IT'S ALL HAVE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVE TO FIND A TAILGATE BECAUSE YEAH'S LONG NIGHT YOU BE A PARKING.
UH, I'LL BE WITH MY GRANDKIDS.
ANYTHING ELSE? FINDING A PLACE ON THE ROOF, UH, RECORD? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
AND I MEAN, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE, UH, POLICYMAKERS COUNCIL AND YOU CAN, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, NOTHING.
UM, YOU AND I ARE BOTH HEADING TO, UM, I'M NOT GOING UNTIL TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
YOU WERE GOING EARLIER THAN THAT.
LIKE FIRST MORNING I'M LEAVING ABOUT NOON.
I'M GOING WITH THE POWER GUYS.
I KNOW BEAR'S ALREADY DOWN THERE.
UM, THERE ARE COMMITTEE MEETINGS FOR, OR PROJECT MEETINGS, UM, MOST OF THE DAY TOMORROW, AND THEN THE DINNER TOMORROW NIGHT AND THEN THE BUSINESS MEETING ON RIGHT WEDNESDAY MORNING.
ANYTHING ELSE THEN? UH, YOU GUYS ARE TO BE COMMENDED.
THIS IS OUR SECOND SUPER DUPER LATE WORK SESSION IN A LONG TIME.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR STICKING IT IN AND WE DID A GOOD JOB GETTING THROUGH MOST OF OUR BUSINESS AND MADE A SMART DECISION ABOUT WHAT TO POSTPONE.
UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING GROUCHY.
I'M A LITTLE SLEEP DEPRIVED AND IT SURE SHOWS UP WITH ME BEING T UM, HERE IS ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY, UM, BEFORE I SAY THE BOARD ADJOURN.
AND THAT IS THAT IN OUR MEETING ON THURSDAY NIGHT WHEN WE HAD A MEMBER PUBLIC, UM, COME AND SPEAK, HE WAS NOTICEABLY AND VISIBLY UPSET, UH, AND ANGRY ABOUT, UH, THE IMPACT OF THE PERCEIVED IMPACT OF, UH, POLICY DECISIONS.
UM, I, UPON REFLECTION, REALIZED I SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THAT, THAT SITUATION WITH EMPATHY.
UM, AND THAT I, I KIND OF FAILED ON THAT.
I THINK THAT WE ALL LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES AND, UM, AND MAYBE THERE'LL NEVER BE ANOTHER PERSON WHO'S THAT UPSET AGAIN IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
BUT IF THERE IS, UH, AND WE HAVE THAT CHANCE, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS RULE WHERE WE ONLY LISTEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT TIME FOR THEM TO TALK, AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE THAT CAN QUICKLY EVOLVE INTO AN ARGUMENT.
AND WE DON'T, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GREAT.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT I COULD RESPONDED WITH A LOT MORE FOR THE, OR HOW FRUSTRATED HE WAS FEELING, AND THEN MAYBE THAT WOULD'VE GIVEN ME THE ENTREE TO EXPLAIN THAT, UH, THERE WERE MAYBE MORE RELEVANT PLACES FOR YOU TO, TO GET THE ANSWERS THAT YOU NEEDED.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I WOULD JUST, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU, LET'S HELP EACH OTHER ON THOSE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
AND IF YOU SEE THAT I AM BEING TOO RULE BOUND OR WHATEVER, NUDGE ME AND REMIND ME TO, TO BE KINDER SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T BE HERE UPSET.
BUT WE NEVER WANT PEOPLE TO BE UPSET WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT ANYMORE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE
SO ARE YOU GOOD OUR JUMPING INTO THE KIND OF, I MEAN, NOT JUMPING INTO THE DEBATE, THE PERSON, BECAUSE MAYBE FOR PROCESS CORRECTIONS WE CAN, WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER.
THE RULES ARE OUR OURS, SO I DUNNO.
I JUST, I JUST KNOW THAT, THAT I COULDN'T HANDLE THAT BETTER.
SO, WELL, WE SORT OF PROCEEDED IN THE WAY WE, WE LEAVE YOU OUT THERE HANGING, CATCHING ALL THE PLAQUE AND EXPECTING YOU TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT WORDS.
WELL, IT, I WASN'T FEELING, UM, PERSONALLY ATTACKED.
I MEAN AT FIRST IT WAS, WHOA, HE WAS REALLY UPSET AND THERE WERE SOME PERSONALIZED ANGLES TO HIS COMMENTS, BUT I, I KNEW THAT I HADN'T DONE THE THINGS THAT HE WAS, UH, MOST UPSET ABOUT.
SO IT, IT, I WAS ABLE TO DISSOCIATE, BUT STILL, IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM SATISFYING FOR HIS EXPERIENCE.
SO SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU ENGAGE IN THAT SITUATION, THAT IT, IT MAKES IT GET BIGGER, RIGHT? YES.
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IT ESCALATES IT THAT, THAT WORRIES ME ABOUT MORE THAN ONE, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR RESPONDING RIGHT.APPROPRIATE WAYS AND THEN, AND THEN THIS GUY'S UP INVOLVED OUTNUMBERED BY SIX AND SIX TO ONE AND YEAH, I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I THINK THE REAL D DANGER, IT'S JUST SO DIFFICULT.
IT HAPPENS SO SUDDENLY AND YOU NEVER KNOW, RIGHT? I THINK, I THINK YOU DID JUST FINE.
I MEAN, I THINK IF SOMEONE SITTING NEXT TO YOU AND THEY CAN TAP YOU AND SAY YOU'RE OKAY,
THAT'S JUST THE DILEMMA, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AND PERCEPTION IS THEIR REALITY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE HANDLED IT WHAT, WELL, IN THE PAST WHERE A DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IF IT'S A DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S THAT'S DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT THING, THEN USUALLY THE DIRECTOR'S IN THE ROOM AND THEY'LL WALK OVER.
AND I SAW, I SAW, YES, THAT GENTLEMAN DID GET A, HIS CARD WENT OVER AND GAVE HIM HIS CARD.
SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS LATER.
KIND OF, I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS A, IF YOU WATCHED THE BODY OF THAT ON HIS EYES AND AFTER, NO, AFTER I THOUGHT, I MEAN, I GUY STEERED CHRIS DOWN.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE CHRIS ON, BUT LIKE, LIKE I, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A CONFRONTATION.
CHRIS WAS GREAT ABOUT IT, OF COURSE.
BUT I MEAN THAT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE WENT SILENT.
LIKE HE WAS, HE WAS MAD AT CHRISTOPHER AND IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT HE WAS, HE WOULD'VE LIKED TO TAKE A SWING AT HIM.
SO, WELL, WE JUST, WE ALL HAD SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT WE COULD HAVE SHARED WITH HIM AND IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO GET PENETRATE.
MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT WILL JUST BE A FAIL WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION AND DEESCALATION IS AN ART.
UM, AND I'M NOT WELL TRAINED IN IT, BUT I JUST, I JUST HAD SOME REGRETS OVER THE WEEKEND.
I SHOULD WOULD'VE COULD HAVE DONE IT THIS WAY.
I MENTIONED TO MY WIFE LATER THAT I THOUGHT YOU HANDLED IT VERY WELL.
WELL, I DON'T NEED, I DON'T NEED THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS TO YOU.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE NEED TO ADJOURN.
UM, SAME SO MUCH FOR THE TALKING AND, UH.