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GO OUT AN HOUR LATER AND THEY SOMETHING OFF.
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AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.UM, AND, UH, WELCOME EVERYBODY ON THIS MONDAY.
IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN ONE OF THOSE DAYS WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU START OFF WITH ONE PLAN AND YOU DIVERT TO OTHERS.
BUT, UH, ANYHOW, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE, BUT, UH,
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT THE BARGAIN TINT, BUT IT'S, IT SEEMS TO RETAIN THE DARK, UH, THAT WHEN YOU GO OUTSIDE AND YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET A LITTLE DARKER, THEN YOU GO INSIDE AND YOU GET LIGHTER.
IT SEEMS TO RETAIN THE DARK A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
AND SO I LOOK LIKE I'M PRETENDING TO BE A A CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL MOTORCYCLE COP.
BUT, UM, LET'S, UH, GO AHEAD AND, UH, YEAH, JIM, UH, GET STARTED
[Human Recourses and Legal Departments]
WITH, UH, WE HAVE, UH, DIRECTOR, UH, JONES HERE WITH US.UM, THE HUMAN RESOURCE, UM, IT SAYS RECOURSES, BUT IT SHOULD SAY RESOURCES, AND THAT'S JUST FUN, ISN'T IT? UM, ANYWAY, UH, THEY ARE TALKING TO ABOUT PERSONNEL POLICY, AND DARREN, YOU WANTED TO SORT OF REVAMP EVERYTHING AND ANSWER YOUR TIME TO TELL US WHAT YOU'VE GOT GOING ON.
OKAY, CASPER, IS THIS MY CLIENT? OH, THERE WE GO.
UM, SO YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE PACKETS WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND, UM, REVISED ALL OF THE PERSONNEL POLICY MANUAL FOR BULK OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES, NON-REPRESENTED CITY EMPLOYEES, AND ALSO NOT POLICE.
ALTHOUGH FOR AREAS NOT COVERED BY THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS OR THE POLICE POLICY MANUAL, THE DEFAULT WOULD BE TO COME BACK TO THIS POLICY.
WE CHANGED IT FROM ROMAN NUMERALS, UM, AND CREATED FIVE CLEAR SECTIONS.
UM, EACH SECTION THEN IS NUMBERED THE 100 SERIES, THE 200 SERIES, THE 300 AND SO ON.
WE PUT LIKE POLICIES TOGETHER WHERE BEFORE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN AT DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE POLICY MANUAL.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE REORGANIZATION.
THERE'S A SUMMARY SHEET, WHICH IS KIND OF TINY PRINT TO GET IT TO FIT ON AN EIGHT, EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11.
BUT ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, IT GIVES A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF THE CHANGES AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IN EACH OF THE POLICIES USING CHANGE TRACKER WHAT ACTUALLY CHANGED.
SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE SUMMARY SHEET AND THEN FOLLOW UP ON THE POLICIES THAT, UM, YOU'RE MORE INTERESTED IN.
THIS IS A FIRST READING THE, AFTER SHARING IT AT THIS SESSION AND TAKING FEEDBACK THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME, UM, WE'LL MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES WE NEED TO RELATED TO THAT.
AND THEN IT WILL GO OUT TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK.
WE'LL COME BACK AT SOME POINT.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'LL BE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.
I THINK THE JANUARY MEETINGS TEND TO BE VERY BUSY TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
IF IT FITS IN ONE OF THOSE, WE'LL WE'LL BRING IT BACK MAYBE IN THE LA THE LATTER HALF OF JANUARY.
IF NOT, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ONE OF THE FEBRUARY MEETINGS FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH ANY OF THE CHANGES OR JUST SIMPLY ANSWER QUESTIONS IF ANY OF YOU LOOKED OVER THEM AND WONDER WHY WE MADE A SPECIFIC CHANGE.
WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND START WITH QUESTIONS COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE, UM, UH, DIRECTOR JONES AT THE END AFTER WE SORT OF EXHAUSTED CURIOSITY, THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YEAH, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED ABOUT BUT DIDN'T, YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THAT.
COUNCILOR FRANCIS? OKAY, SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS WOULD BE POLICY THREE TEN TWO WRITTEN WARNING IN, IN THE PACKET.
AND WHAT IT SAYS IS, IF IMPROVEMENT OF IN AN EMPLOYEE'S PERFORMANCE OF BEHAVIOR IS NOT APPARENT AFTER THE INFORMAL COACHING, VERBAL WARNING, A FORMAL WRITTEN WARNING COULD BE GIVEN.
I WONDER WHY THAT COULDN'T BE, WILL BE GIVEN.
I THINK IN, UM, IN CASES OF JUST THE STEPS ON THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS, UM, THE IDEA IS THAT THERE'S FLEXIBILITY TO TAKE INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION THE EXISTING CIRCUMSTANCES SO THAT YOU COULD ISSUE AN ADDITIONAL VERBAL WARNING BEFORE YOU WENT TO A WRITTEN WARNING.
AM I CATCHING THE, THE GIST OF YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY?
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YEAH, I JUST THINK IT MIGHT STRENGTHEN IT FOR BOTH THE SUPERVISOR AND THE EMPLOYEE TO HAVE THE SECOND STEP BE WRITTEN BECAUSE THEN IT'S IN A DOCUMENTED RECORD, BUT THIS WAY IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY BECOME DOCUMENTED UNTIL A THIRD OFFENSE.IT CAN, CAN YOU POINT OUT THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE? I'M TRYING TO ACTUALLY FIND WHERE YOU'RE IT D TWO, YEAH, IT UNDER POLICY THREE, THEN D DISCIPLINE PROCESS, TWO WRITTEN WARNING.
AND THE SECOND LINE CURRENTLY HAS A STATEMENT AFTER THE FIRST DISCUSSION OF FORMAL WRITTEN WARNING COULD BE WRITTEN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD.
UM, AND IT, IT AS A, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S, IT'S AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR VERBAL, UH, VERBAL COACHING IS NOT NECESSARILY DOCUMENTED IN WRITING, RIGHT.
BUT A FORMAL VERBAL WARNING IS, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MISNOMER.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CALLED A VERBAL WARNING, BUT WE TELL THE SUPERVISOR, MAKE SURE THAT YOU PUT THE VERBAL WARNING IN WRITING.
SO WE'VE GOT DOCUMENTATION THAT IT HAPPENED.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE NAMING OF THE STEP REALLY MORE THAN THE FACT OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WRITTEN.
LOOKS LIKE MIKE HAS A COMMENT, BUT, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT FOR THE SECOND STEP, A WRITTEN WARNING, IT DOESN'T SAY A WRITTEN WARNING WILL BE GIVEN.
AND AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT FLEXIBILITY IS IMPORTANT, BUT THAT WOULD SUGGEST THEN A SECOND VERBAL RATHER THAN AN ACTUAL WRITTEN.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE WRITTEN WARNING KIND OF MEANINGLESS IF WE'RE STILL LINGERING AT THE TOP STAGE.
SO, SO I GUESS, YEAH, THE PROGRESSION STOPS IF YOU'RE NOT WRITING IT DOWN AND THEREFORE IT WOULD BE A SHOULD OR SHALL NOT A COULD.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JIM? YEAH.
IT JUST SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE UNTIL IT'S WRITTEN FREE, RIGHT, IT'S PRETTY SERIOUS.
AND WE'RE NOT EVEN GETTING TO A WRITTEN UNTIL THE THIRD WARNING ON THE WAY I READ IT.
NOW, I, MIKE MIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE HE, HE MAY HAVE SOME, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I I I'M THINKING OF A SCENARIO WHERE YOU'RE GIVING A WARNING TO SOMEONE FOR A DIFFERENT THING, RIGHT? THAT, SO THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SAME EMPLOYEE, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE GONNA WARN THEM TWICE VERBALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF 'EM, THEY'RE LATE FOR WORK HABITUALLY OR THE NEXT ONE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR JOB DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER KIND OF A THING.
WELL THEN, COULD THAT BE A POSSIBLE REASON WHY? I MEAN, RIGHT.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN ON THIS.
I, UM, YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO THIS BECAUSE, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PEOPLE LIKE TO ARGUE ABOUT THE PROCESS IN WHICH THEY'RE BEING DISCIPLINED.
SO YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S LATE TO WORK AND THEIR SUPERVISOR SAYS, HEY MAN, LIKE YOU'RE LATE TODAY.
YOU REALLY NEED TO BE HERE AT WORK.
AND YOU DO THAT TWO OR THREE TIMES, AND THEN YOU GIVE THE PERSON A WRITTEN WARNING AND THEN YOU PUT 'EM A WORK IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND NOW YOU'RE READY TO TERMINATE THEM, RIGHT? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANT TO ARGUE IN THE POINT OF TERMINATING, 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN LATE NOW A DOZEN TIMES, IS THEY SAY, WELL, THE SECOND TIME I WAS LATE, YOU WARNED ME VERBALLY AGAIN.
AND IT SAID HERE THAT, UH, YOU SHALL BE, YOU SHALL GET A WRITTEN WARNING.
AND INSTEAD YOU DID ALL OF THIS INFORMAL VOTING COACHING.
HOW COULD I HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN HOW SERIOUS THIS WAS WHEN YOU JUST DID IT KIND OF INFORMALLY? AND THEN NOW WE'RE IN THIS FOR SIX MONTHS AND, AND I, NOW I KNOW IT'S SERIOUS, BUT I COULD HAVE BEEN PROOF A LOT FASTER IF ONLY YOU'D FALLEN YOUR POLICY.
AND SO YOU CAN'T TERMINATE ME NOW BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW YOUR POLICY, RIGHT? YOU, PART OF THE REASON WHY YOUR DIRECTOR JONES IS PUT IN, UH, THE, THE KIND OF THIS FLEXIBLE LANGUAGE IS BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING, UH, GETS IMMEDIATELY ELEVATED TO, UH, WALKING SOMEBODY OUT THE DOOR, UH, ON, ON THINGS THAT ARE MINOR.
YOU MIGHT PUT UP WITH SOMEBODY WHO COMES TO WORK LATE A FEW TIMES.
AND, AND SOMETIMES A FEW INFORMAL COACHING SESSIONS GETS THE JOB DONE.
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COACHING COULD BE AS EASY AS JUST PULLING SOMEONE ASIDE SAYING, HEY, YOU WERE LATE TODAY.AGAIN, THAT CAN BE AN INFORMAL COACHING SESSION.
IT'S NOT, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SOME GREAT, UH, COME, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION WHERE EVERYBODY, UH, DIALS IN, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, HEY, YOU WERE LATE TODAY.
YOU KNOW, I, MY KID, I HAD TO GET INTO A SCHOOL IN SOME USUAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
AND YOU SAY, OKAY, WELL JUST DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND THEN IT HAPPENS THREE OR FOUR TIMES.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ELEVATED INFORMAL CONVERSATION WITH THAT.
AND, BUT COULD, I THINK IS A GREAT WORD THERE BECAUSE, UH, IT COULD BE THAT YOU'RE WRITING THEM A, A WRITTEN WARNING, OR YOU MIGHT BE GIVING THEM AN INFORMAL COACHING SESSION, OR YOU, YOU MIGHT CHOOSE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS ON HOW TO MANAGE YOUR EMPLOYEE.
THE, THE REASON WHY I WOULD AVOID GIVING DIRECTION THAT IS, THAT WILL SOUND MECHANICAL OR SOUND REQUIRED, IS BECAUSE OFTENTIMES YOU'LL HAVE A SUPERVISOR WHO WILL PUT UP WITH BAD BEHAVIOR FOR FAR LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD.
AND NOW WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN LATE FOR 18 MONTHS EVERY DAY AND THEY'RE AT THEIR WITS END AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, AND THEY SHOW UP IN DARREN'S OFFICE AND THEY SAY, DARREN, I JUST CAN'T HAVE 'EM LATE AGAIN.
TELL ME HOW I CAN FIRE THEM BECAUSE THEY GOTTA GO.
AND DARREN SAYS, ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND WHAT YOU'LL LEARN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER THURSDAY FOR TWO MONTHS, THEY SAID, HEY, YOU NEED TO BE ON TIME FOR WORK.
AND THEY NEVER DOCUMENTED IT, NEVER DID ANY OF THIS STUFF.
AND, UH, DARREN HAS TO HELP THEM GET THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THIS PERSON'S NOT IMPROVING.
BUT WHAT, YOU DON'T WANT TO PAINT YOUR SUPERVISORS INTO A CORNER BY HAVING THE PERSON WHO'S BEEN ACCUSED OF HAVING BAD BEHAVIOR JUST POINT RIGHT BACK AT THE SUPERVISOR AND SAY, OH NO, THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE POLICY THE WAY THEY SHOULD HAVE.
AND IF THEY HAVE, IT'D BE A MODEL EMPLOYEE.
BUT THE MANAGER'S SO BORED FOLLOWING THEIR OWN RULES, THOUGH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE IN STEP THREE, THE FIRST SENTENCE SAYS THAT A, A WHIP MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
IT'S THE SAME FLEXIBLE LANGUAGE.
WE'RE NOT ADDING THAT LANGUAGE.
IT'S, IT'S EXISTING, BUT IT IS COMMON FOR ALL THE REASONS MIKE JUST POINTED OUT, THAT YOU ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT, IN THAT, IN HOW QUICKLY YOU MOVE UP THE STEPS.
AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE DO, WE DO RUN IT, WE'RE DOING SUPERVISOR TRAINING, SO WE DON'T RUN INTO THE, OKAY, IT'S NOW BROKEN AND I WANNA FIRE HIM.
AND THEN WE GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, HAVE YOU DONE ANY OF THE OTHER STEPS THAT I, I WOULD JUST ADD TO IT THAT OFTEN YOU'RE DOING SOME COACHING AND THEN YOU'RE DOCUMENTING WHAT'S WRITTEN.
SO THE REASON YOU COULD SAY COULD IS BECAUSE YOU MIGHT DOCUMENT IT WITH THE EMPLOYEE, OR YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST DOCUMENTED AS A COACHING CONVERSATION.
YOU GO BACKWARDS SO MUCH IN THESE SCENARIOS THAT SOMETIMES THE POLICY HAVE CAN'T BE, OR ELSE THEN YOU'RE LIMITED IN YOUR OPTION.
I HAD, I HAD A VERY FAMILIAR
AND I THINK THAT IT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE SOMETIMES TO, TO WRITE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU WRITE THEM UP, LIKE RIGHT OFF THE BAT, IF LIKE IN THE SECOND, SECOND EPISODE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M SAYING YOU GOTTA USE YOUR JUDGMENT, BUT, BUT IT IT'S ALMOST COUNTERPRODUCTIVE THAT, THAT THEN THEY RESENT YOU AND THEN, AND THEN YOU CAN'T, THEN YOU CAN'T COACH THEM BECAUSE THEN NOW THEY'RE, NOW THEY'RE UPSET WITH, WITH THEIR BOSS.
AND I, I GET, I GET THAT AND THAT'S WHY PARAGRAPH ONE UNDER D DOESN'T SAY ONE TIME IT SAYS INFORMAL COACHING.
SO PRESUMABLY BY THE TIME YOU GET TO PARAGRAPH TWO, WHICH IS WRITTEN WARNING, THERE'S BEEN PRESUMABLY SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS BASED ON PARAGRAPH ONE.
IT DOESN'T SAY ONE WARNING, IT SAYS COACHING DISCUSSION WITH THE SUPERVISOR AND THEN WHEN THAT'S NOT WORKING, BUT I'LL LIVE WITH IT.
DON'T BE DISMISSIVE OF YOUR CONCERNS THERE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE REASON THE LANGUAGE IS THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
AND TO ME, EXACTLY WHAT KLER FREEMAN SAID IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF PARAGRAPH ONE IS.
YEAH, IT COULD BE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS.
BUT FINALLY IT REACHES THE POINT.
WE'RE GONNA WRITE IT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER.
BUT I KNOW, I MEAN MY, I'LL MAKE ONE MORE STATEMENT AND I'LL BE QUIET.
WHEN PEOPLE THINK THERE'S TROUBLE WITH STAFF,
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IT'S A SUPERVISOR PROBLEM THAT NOT, NOT THE SUPERVISOR ISN'T DOING WHAT THE SUPERVISOR NEEDS TO DO.SO THIS IS JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'VE TRIED TO COACH, WHICH IS PERFECT, THERE COMES A POINT WHERE YOU NEED TO WRITE IT DOWN.
WE, WE COULD, WE COULD ALTER THAT LANGUAGE IN A SENTENCE THAT SAYS VERBAL COACHING SLASH VERBAL WARNING PUT S IN A PARENTHESES BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU GET A COUPLE OF VERBAL WARNINGS THAT ARE DOCUMENTED, UM, FORMAL WRITTEN WARNING WILL BE GIVEN.
AT THAT POINT WE MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP.
ONE OF THE ONE, ONE MORE, UM, PITCH FOR THE FLEXIBILITY IS SOMETIMES WE SEE, UH, A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING LIKE SHOWING THE PLATE, THAT'S THE EXAMPLE WE USE.
AND FIVE TIMES THEY SHOWED UP LATE WITH NO VALID OR OR OR REASON THAT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED ON THE SIXTH TIME WE'RE WRITING 'EM UP AND THEY HAVE A REALLY VALID REASON THAT MIGHT EVEN BE DISCRIMINATORY TO WRITE THEM UP.
AND SO YOU HAVE EACH ONE OF THOSE WHEN BEFORE WE MOVE TO THAT STEP, WE LOOK AT THE FACTS OF THE SITUATION TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE OR EVERYTHING TO HAPPEN.
WE COULD JUST COUCH THAT UP AS ONE OF THE NEXT VERBAL WARNING AND NOT MOVE IT TO THE NEXT THING.
AND IF THAT WOULD STILL CATCH THAT BY PUTTING THE S BEHIND WARNINGS.
YEAH, I MEAN IT IS JUST THE THOUGHT THAT I THINK IT'S, THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF LOGIC, UM, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA ADVANCE TO, TO THE SECOND PARAGRAPH THEN, UM, IT'S BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE USED ALL OF USED UP ALL OF YOUR FLEXIBILITY AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISCRETION IN THERE.
SO I UNDERSTAND, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT I ALSO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, UM, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD.
I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK, I THINK WE'RE JUST SAYING THE SAME THING IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE WAS ACTUALLY, UM, ON THIS ONE, WHY DO WE NOT HAVE AN EMPLOYEE SIGN THE, THE WRITTEN WRITEUP? IT'S JUST THAT THE COPY OF THE WARNING SHOULD BE PLACED IN THE EMPLOYEE'S PERSONNEL FILE.
BUT WHY DID THEY NOT HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT HAPPENED OR, SO AGAIN, IN, IN THE REALM OF KIND OF WHAT MIKE WAS EXPLAINING, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF LIKE, IF IF WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION, I'M THE SUPERVISOR AND SAY, SIGN THIS, AND YOU SAY, NO, I'M STILL GIVING IT TO YOU, IT'S STILL A DISCIPLINARY.
OR YOU SAY LIKE, DID IT, I MEAN I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS WHEN THEY SEE THE CITY BECAUSE THEY WERE TERMINATED AND THEN HAVE A JUDGE
IF, IF, IF THE EMPLOYEE WERE TO SAY AFTER THEY SENT THE MEETING WITH THEIR SUPERVISOR AND SAY, I NEVER RECEIVED THAT.
UM, THE SIGNATURE ON THERE COULD POTENTIALLY HELP WITH THAT.
I THINK MAYBE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN 25 YEARS OF PRACTICING HR, I'VE NEVER ONCE SEEN THAT BE THE CASE.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT COULDN'T BECOME THE CASE.
I HAVE SEEN IT IN MANY, MANY, MANY INSTANCES WHERE THE EMPLOYEE GETS ALL WORKED UP BECAUSE THEY'RE SIGNING IT THINKING BY SIGNING IT, THEY'RE AGREEING WITH WHAT THE SUPERVISOR SAID AND THEY'RE NOT AGREEING WITH WHAT THE SUPERVISOR SAID AND CREATES THIS SORT OF OBSTRUCTION AND JUST
SO IN KNOWING END THAT IT'S NOT HELPFUL.
I'VE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE MANY TIMES WHERE, AND THEN I JUST DOCUMENT, REFUSE TO SIGN ON.
THAT AND THEN YOU'RE KIND OF IN THE SAME PLACE AS NOT MAKING SIGN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IF YOU WERE THE EMPLOYEE'S GONNA MAKE UP A STORY THAT THEY DIDN'T GET.
IT JUST HAS COLLEAGUES ARE IN THE ROOM WITH MANAGER AND THEY'RE GIVING IT.
I JUST WASN'T SURE 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE NEVER SEEM TO WIN ANY KIND OF UNEMPLOYMENT CASES THE JUDGE ALWAYS GIVES.
SO I JUST WONDER IF THAT WAS OKAY.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY, THEN THE OTHER ONE HAS TO DO WITH VACATION TIME.
IT'S LIKE THERE'S ALL THESE PARAGRAPHS THAT SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO 40, YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO 40.
AND THEN THERE'S A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS, BUT IF YOU NEED MORE THAN TWO 40, HERE'S THE PROCESS TO GET AT IT.
SO HELP, JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF EVER ALLOWING MORE THAN TWO 40? WHY IS THAT NOT A GOOD PART? NOT IF AN EMPLOYEE WERE COMING ALONG ACCRUING THEIR VACATION LEAVE AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY NEEDED TO TAKE A WEEK OF VACATION BECAUSE, UM, THEY WERE GONNA HIT THE TWO 40 AND THEY NEEDED TO GET IT DOWN.
AND SO THEY ASKED FOR A WEEK OF VACATION AND 'CAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES GOING ON IN THEIR DEPARTMENT, THEIR DIVISION, THEIR PLACE OF WORK, THE SUPERVISOR SAYS, I CAN'T PROVE THAT.
AND THEY SAY, WELL, I WAS TOTALLY PLANNING ON IT, GET MY TWO 40 DOWN, BUT SINCE I'M STAYING HERE BECAUSE YOU NEED ME TO STAY HERE FOR SOMETHING, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I CAN TAKE THAT IN TWO MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BRING IT BACK DOWN? THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING.
THERE IS SOME, SOME REASON FOR, UM, SOME WORK RELATED REASON.
MAYBE THEY'RE BACK FILLING FOR AN EMPLOYEE WHO'S OUT ON LEAVE OR SOME OTHER THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET OUTTA THE OFFICE.
TYPICALLY, IF THIS IS JUST SOMEBODY THAT'S CHRONICALLY NOT USING THEIR TIME, UH, BECAUSE THAT APPROVAL PROCESS REQUIRES SOME APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR OFFICE, WE'RE GONNA BE COACHING THE SUPERVISOR THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO MOVE THAT OVER TWO 40 AND
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HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT USING, USING THEIR TIME ON A REGULAR BASIS AND MAYBE NOT BEING ABLE TO CARRY IT OVER IS THE MESSAGE THAT THEY NEED TO, TO START PLANNING THAT BETTER.I RAN INTO THIS MANY TIMES AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE CARRY OVER AND THERE ARE KEY POSITIONS, PARTICULARLY IN FIRE AND POLICE WHERE YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO NOT GET THEM THERE TWOFOLD, YOU KNOW, GET 'EM BACK EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE PLANNED IT.
AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S A PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED AND IT'S A PAIN IS ENOUGH MOTIVATION TO NOT HAVE IT JUST HAPPEN ANYWAY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN AFTER YOU'VE DONE IT ONCE OR TWICE, YOU HAVE A FULL YEAR.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
YOU HAVE A FULL YEAR, SO YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA PLAN IT, BUT THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO BE OUT OF THE, THERE'S BEEN MAYBE THREE IN THIS PAST YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE AND ALL OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, EITHER BACKFILLING FOR SOMEONE SO THEY COULDN'T BE AWAY OR THEIR PLANS GOT CHANGED AT THE LAST MINUTE BECAUSE OF A WORK CIRCUMSTANCE, NOT A PERSONAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO IN ORDER FOR IT TO GET APPROVED AT THOSE LEVELS, IF IT, IF IT'S JUST SOMEBODY CHRONICALLY USING IT, I THINK THE SUPERVISOR'S GONNA SIGN THAT AND YOU JUST NEED TO FIND YOUR TIME THERE.
AND THEN IT MOVES TO MY APPROVAL AND IT REQUIRES TWO DIRECTORS AND I THINK THE CURRENT VERSION REQUIRES THE MAYOR AND THE NEW VERSION MAY NOT REQUIRE THE MAYOR'S APPROVAL ON THAT.
BY THE TIME IT GETS REVIEWED BY THE, THE EMPLOYEES DIRECTOR AND TWO OTHER DIRECTORS.
IS THAT KIND OF BE THAT THE SMELL TEST OF BEING THE PIZZA.
SO WHEN WE SHIFTED THE POLICY, UM, WE HAD LOTS OF, UH, CHAING AT THE EDGES THERE, BUT OVER THE YEARS WE'VE PRETTY MUCH GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE NOW THE ONLY TIME SOMEONE WILL ASK IS IF THEY HAVE BEEN PREVENTED FROM USING THEIR TIME IN A, IN A REASONABLE WAY.
AND IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, BUT IT CAN BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTING, UH, PERSONNEL, UH, DURING AUDIT OR UM, YOU KNOW, BUDGET SEASON OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST ALWAYS A POLICE AND FIRE.
SO I, I THINK, UM, WE HAVE A VERY HEALTHY SYSTEM NOW, WHEREAS WE DIDN'T BEFORE WHEN WE HAD UH, DIFFERENT PEOPLE APPROVING DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.
BUT NOW THAT IT'S EVEN FOR THE MOST PART ACROSS MOST OF THE CITY, IT'S WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD, LISA, I THINK YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT THAT UH, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IS ACTUALLY PERFORMING.
SO MAYBE IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PULLING THAT UP.
ONE THING ON THAT ONE IS, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED WHAT WAS ORIGINAL BECAUSE IT GOES BLACK IS ORIGINAL, THEN GREEN, THEN STRIKE OUT, THEN BLUE AND STRIKE OUT.
SO IS THE RIGHT, LIKE SO WITHIN THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, SO NOW IS IT CHANGED TO SIX MONTHS? HANG ON ONE SECOND, LET ME GET TO THE RIGHT SPOT.
TWO ONE IN SECTION FOUR 10, WHICH, WHICH WHAT PART OF SECTION FOUR 10? UM, VACATION FOUR 10.
UM, IT'S CALLED LEAD PRACTICES AND IT'S ON D GENERAL VACATION RULES.
SO, UM, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND STRIKEOUTS AND BLACK TEXT.
SO I WASN'T SURE
SO I ASSUME SIX MONTHS IS WHAT STAYS, BUT ARE WE CURRENTLY ALLOWING FOR THE WHOLE CALENDAR YEAR? UH, YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.
SO THAT'S A CHANGE TO SIX MONTHS.
THE, WITH THE MULTIPLE REVISIONS THAT WE WENT THROUGH, THIS WAS THE FINAL VERSION WE WANTED.
AND YOU'RE ASKING IF THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL VERSION BEFORE OR NOT, WHICH I DIDN'T BRING WITH ME.
UM, WE WANTED IT TO BE SIX MONTHS, NOT ALL.
OKAY, SO SIX MONTHS IS IT? YES.
UM, IT, WE COULD QUICKLY PULL UP THE HR PAGE POLICIES AND FIND THIS POLICY OUT THERE TO SEE WHAT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IS, BUT EITHER WAY YOU, THE CHANGE IS TO SIX MONTHS, IT'S MEANT TO BE SIX MONTHS.
LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT ONE OF THESE PROBLEMS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU'VE GOT SIX MONTHS TO GET IT FIXED AND KEEP IT DOWN TWO 40.
IT MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY SAY WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS.
AND SO WE EITHER NEED TO KEEP NEXT THERE OR TAKE OUT THE YEAH, GOOD POINT.
SO IN, IN THIS CASE, MAYBE WE'RE, WE ARE TIGHTENING IT JUST A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE WAS A, A YEAR AND NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA TIGHTEN IT TO SIX MONTHS.
ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE THAT I'VE POINTED OUT TO THE COUNCIL.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WOULD, UH, JOHN AND THEN JIM, I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE DRUG AND ALCOHOL POLICY, UM, AS I'VE READ THROUGH IT, BUT I'M REALLY PROVIDE ANY NUMBERS OR LETTERS OR, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NUMBER, UM, THREE 30.
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OF OUR PACKET, BUT, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN ABILITY TO, UM, LET US KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM AND GET HELP.AND I JUST WASN'T SURE THAT I SAW HOW THAT WORKS.
SO MUCH OF IT IS ABOUT ONCE THEY GET CAUGHT, BUT IF SOMEONE'S PROACTIVE AND WANTS TO DEAL WITH A SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEM LIKE ALCOHOLISM OR, UM, IF THEY'RE OPEN, DO WE HAVE A POLICY WHERE WE CAN HELP THEM ABOUT LOSING THEIR JOB OR QUITTING THEIR JOB? TYPICALLY THAT'S GONNA FALL UNDER THE FMLA.
UM, SO THEY COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THIS, I'VE GOT A DRUG ADDICTION OR ALCOHOL ADDICTION AND YOU CAN GET HELP IN NO CASES WOULD THAT ALLOW THEM TO BE UNDER THE INFLUENCED WHILE THEY'RE ON THE JOB OR TO HAVE THAT SOMEHOW SERIOUSLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEIR ABILITY TO DO THEIR WORK.
BUT THEY COULD TAKE LEAVE UNDER FMLA TO RECEIVE TREATMENT AND HELP WITH THAT WITHOUT CONDITION.
BUT THE FIRST, DO YOU, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ARE YOU, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWER? NO, THAT'S
YEAH, SO MINE JUST A WORK CHOICE IS SO SMOOTH.
EVERYTHING YOU IS WRITTEN LIKE THE EMPLOYEE, THE EMPLOYEE AND THEN SUDDENLY UNDER VOTING LEAVE IT SHIFTS TO YOU SECOND.
WHAT POLICY ARE YOU ON? THIS IS UM, PAGE 48 IN A PACKET.
IT'S UNDER SECTION FOUR 10 AND SUDDENLY WE SHIFT TO SECOND PERSON AND IT'S JUST A WORD CHOICE THAT ISN'T CONSISTENT.
THAT'S, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
WE HAD IN OUR OFFICE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WORKING ON ALL OF THESE OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
AND THEN WHEN WE BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER, WE MAY HAVE MISSED A CONSISTENT WORD OF CHOICE ON THAT.
IT JUST VOTING IS A PUBLIC ELECTION.
AND THEN MORE THEN TO HELP THIS.
CAUSE YOU CAN REQUEST UP TO TWO HOURS OF PAID LEAVE AND THEN YOU ARE REQUIRED TO GET DOES JUST SAY THE EMPLOYEE.
AND JUST SAY THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
JUST SO NICELY FORMAL AND WELL WRITTEN.
WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WHAT DID YOU HAVE TO HIGHLIGHT? I PROBABLY THE ONE THAT HAD THE MOST LIVELY DISCUSSION, I THINK, AND MAYBE NOT COMPLETE CONSENSUS.
'CAUSE THE REVIEW FIRST WENT, MY OFFICE SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS GOING THROUGH AND MAKING CHANGES.
THEY, A LOT OF THE CHANGES HAD TO DO WITH PRACTICAL APPLICATION OR GRAMMAR THINGS.
THEN WE TOOK IT TO THE DIRECTORS AND WE GAVE THE DIRECTORS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK BECAUSE WE, WE MOVED THE, UM, LEAVE, UM, USE FROM FOUR HOUR INCREMENTS TO ONE HOUR INCREMENTS FOR OUR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES.
UM, SO THERE, IT IT WAS KIND OF A RANGE OF BOTH EMPLOYEES AND SUPERVISORS FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS WANTING TO HAVE THAT, UM, MODIFIED.
SOMETIMES EMPLOYEES WERE LIKE, WELL, I ONLY HAD A TWO HOUR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE LEAVE.
I'D RATHER JUST BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THE TWO HOURS.
AND UM, SOME SUPERVISORS SAID, WELL I'VE, THAT EMPLOYEES ARE TAKING THREE HOURS TWICE A WEEK.
AND THEY, THEY SAY, WELL THE POLICY SAYS WE'RE HOUR DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANYTHING.
SO IT'S A BIT OF A MIXED BACK THAT WAY.
AND ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT WAS THE PRESSURE AROUND, UM, JUST THE IDEA OF EXEMPT HAVING MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THEIR, UM, THEIR TIME AND LEAVE AND SO ON IN THE, IN THE RANGE OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
EMPLOYEE COULD HAVE NO LEAVE AND NO EXPECTATIONS OF, OF, UM, SET TIMES THAT THEY'RE AT WORK.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THEIR WORK DONE.
ON THE FLIP SIDE, YOU COULD HAVE EXEMPT EMPLOYEES WHO BASICALLY SUBMIT TIME SHEETS AND TRACK THEIR TIME THROUGHOUT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED IS THE, IS THE EASIEST WAY TO RESOLVE IT IS TO JUST SIMPLY CHANGE THAT NUMBER FROM A FOUR TO A ONE.
UM, AND UH, THAT WAY EMPLOYEES HAVE A TWO HOUR, TWO HOUR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT THAT SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS OF LEAVE AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY SUBMITTED A TWO HOURS WORTH OF LEAVE.
AND SUPERVISORS WHO HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE REGULARLY OR CONSISTENTLY CHECKING OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THREE HOURS AT A TIME CAN SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST IF IT'S THREE HOURS, SUBMIT, SUBMIT TO LEAVE.
COULD YOU PUT LIKE A MINIMUM ON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA ASK FOR A LEAVE LIKE THAT, THAT IS A MINIMUM OF TWO HOURS OR SOMETHING MAYBE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AM I FOLLOWING CORRECTLY? LIKE YOU WE'RE MAKING 'EM USE FOUR? WELL, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU'RE NOT GONE FOR FOUR, YOU DON'T DEDUCT YOUR LEAVE BANK.
YOU JUST GO AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS NOW YOU'RE ABLE TO DEDUCT AS LOW AS ONE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, YOU CAN DEDUCT HOUR AND HALF BECAUSE YOU CAN DO ONE HOUR, WELL, ONE HOUR INCRE.
SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT ONE HOUR MINUTES.
SO IT'S A LITTLE, IN A SENSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, EMPLOYEE FRIENDLY.
BUT IT CREATES BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE
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WE DO, WE DO OFFER LEAVE BANKS FOR OUR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES.AND SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AROUND IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT IN, YOU KNOW, IF EMPLOYEES ARE, ARE WORKING 45 OR 50 HOUR WORK WEEK AND THEY'RE GONE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS, IT WOULD ONLY BE EXPECTED IF THEY'RE KIND OF FALLING OF FULLTIME THRESHOLD OF 40 HOURS.
BUT IT'S, THERE'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSENSUS ON ON GOING THERE.
IT'S JUST THAT'S WHERE WE ARRIVED WITH TRYING TO HELP WHERE THE PRESSURE WAS, BUT NOT GO TOO FAR IN THE REALM OF MAKING EMPLOYEES EXEMPT.
EMPLOYEES FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ON A TIME BLOCK.
SO DID I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID CORRECTLY? SO, UM, SOMEBODY'S AN EXEMPT EMPLOYEE IS WORKING 50 HOUR WEEKS AND THEY HAVE TO GO TO A DOCTOR APPOINTMENT THAT TAKES TWO HOURS, THEY HAVE TO TAKE VACATION OR THEY DON'T NO, THE GENERAL EXPECTATION WOULD BE IF THEY'RE NOT WORKING A FULL 40, IF THEY'RE FULL-TIME, 40 HOUR WEEK EMPLOYEE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY HOURLY EMPLOYEES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE WHOLE PROBLEM OF HOW DO WE DEFINE THIS IN A WAY THAT CREATES ACCOUNTABILITY AROUND LEAVE BANKS.
SO NO, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN A REALLY LONG WEEK, YOU DON'T GET OVERTIME.
BUT YOU ALSO SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT IN LEAVE TIME IF YOU'RE GOING FROM 50 TO 40.
I CAN BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE WITH MY TIME WITH THIS.
ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP THE MILITARY LEAVE, THERE'S A LOT THAT WAS LOOKED AT THERE WAS IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO OR WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF ALL THOSE CHANGES IN THE MILITARY LEAVE POLICY AND THE DOCUMENTATION THAT'S REQUIRED TO COME BACK? YEAH, BASICALLY, UH, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND DOING A THOROUGH REVIEW.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH A VARIETY OF THINGS WITH MILITARY LEADS.
THE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW US TO REQUIRE, LIKE IF THEY'RE GETTING DEPLOYED, IT'S A TOP SECRET MISSION.
YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE HAVE TO SEE THOSE DEPLOYMENT DOCUMENTS.
THEY DO HAVE TO GIVE US AT LEAST VERBAL NOTICE.
SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF BRINGING THAT POLICY TO COMPLIANCE.
AND THERE WAS ALSO, WE DO THIS, UM, GAP PAY.
SO THEY ON MILITARY NEGATIVE PAY LESS THAN THEY WOULD HERE WE MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
BUT IN DOING THAT GAP PAY, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE SLIDING AND HOW IT MOVES.
AND SO AT THE END WE HAVE TO AUDIT IT.
IN SOME CASES THEY MAY OWE A LITTLE BIT BACK OR WE MAY OWE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAVE TO KIND OF NEED TO CREATE CLARITY BECAUSE IN THE PAST PEOPLE GET BACK AND WE'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE OVERPAID YOU BY 500 OR A THOUSAND BUCKS, WE NEED IT BACK.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO IT'S JUST CREATING THAT EXPECTATION UP FRONT.
I WILL JUST SAY THAT WHEN, UH, I FIRST STARTED HERE, WE HAD SOME INTERESTING SITUATIONS WHERE SOME DEPARTMENTS WERE APPLYING MILITARY LEAVE ONE WAY AND ANOTHER, WERE APPLYING IN ANOTHER WAY.
AND, AND SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL, UM, FOR STANDARDS, UH, LIKE THE ONES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE THEY CREATE CONSISTENT, UH, DEFENSIBLE, UM, EXPECTATIONS FOR EVERYBODY.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, UM, OVERESTIMATE THE VALUE OF WHAT, UH, DIRECTOR JONES AND HIS TEAM HAVE DONE IN TRYING TO CLEAN THIS UP FOR US A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WAS IT, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN UNION PEOPLE WITH UNION CONTRACTS AND, AND THIS POLICY AND, AND HOW THEY INTERACT AND COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
UM, YEAH, I THINK IT, IT VARIES, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT UNION CONTRACTS.
I THINK ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY SAYS ANYTHING NOT COVERED BY THIS POLICY OR THIS CONTRACT DIVERTS BACK TO CITY POLICY.
THE OTHER ONE'S SILENT ON THAT TOPIC.
UM, BUT THERE WOULD BE SOME EXPECTATION IF IT'S NOT IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT WE BARGAIN AND IT'S PART OF THE CITY POLICY WOULD NOT REPLY.
THE POLICE POLICY MANUAL ALSO SAID ANYTHING NOT COVERED BY THIS WOULD DEFAULT BACK TO THAT.
BUT I THINK THE POLICE POLICY MANUALS RUNS RELATIVELY SIMILAR.
BUT THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS IN THE UNION POLICIES THAT ARE NOT IN THIS POLICY THAT ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
THEY BARGAIN SOMETHING OR IT IS DIFFERENT IN LIKE THE POLICE POLICY, GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES AND SO FORTH.
THEY THEY TEND TO HAVE SOME SIMILARITIES, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY ARE UNION REPRESENTATION IF YOU'RE BEING, UM, HAVING A, SOME SORT OF A SESSION WITH YOUR SUPERVISOR.
WELL, AND THE WHOLE LEAVE THING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FOR THE FIRE THAN IT'S FOR THIS, UM, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE POLICE POLICY MANUAL A MONTH OR SO AGO AND THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THE OTHER EMPLOYEES.
SO THERE ARE THOSE DIFFERENCES THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE DIFFERENT AND THAT'S WHY THEY PASSED CONTRACT.
AND I'LL JUST LOOK IN MY COMMENTS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING THINGS AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO EMPLOY VETERANS AND MAKE DEPLOYMENTS.
WERE WAS MY HOPE IN THAT COMMENT.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR POLICY, UM, IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT OTHERS WOULD, UH, OTHER EMPLOYERS WOULD REQUIRE OF THEIR, OF THEIR, UH, THOSE SERVING.
LISA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TOO? YEAH, SO, UM, ON FOUR 10 WE'RE STILL THERE.
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GET SOME CLARITY ON THIS.THERE'S SICK LEAVE THAT INCLUDES MEDICAL, DENTAL, PHYSICAL, POSSIBLE.
AND THEN YOU'VE TAKEN OUT TWO THAT WAS THE CARE OF IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS AND IT JUST BECOMES BEREAVEMENT AFTER BEREAVEMENT LEAVE HAS BEEN EXHAUSTED AS DEFINED BY THE BEREAVEMENT POLICY.
NOW YOUR MINIMUM AMOUNT OF LEAVE, SICK LEAVE WILL BE USED IN INCREMENTS.
I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE, THE ORDER OF WHAT YOU WERE REALLY THREATENED TO STAY THERE.
I'M TRYING TO FIND MY, OKAY, THIS IS, UM, FOUR 10 UNDER VACATION AND LEAVE.
THERE'S VOLUNTARY SHARED LEAVE.
AND THEN GO TO THIS ONE THAT SAYS SICK LEAVE.
SO, AND THERE'S A LITTLE CHART LIKE THIS, RIGHT? RIGHT BELOW THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, SO GO THROUGH THOSE BULLET POINTS WITH ME.
SO FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S ONE THAT SAYS REGULAR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO APPROVE.
SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT PARAGRAPH.
AND THEN IT DESCRIBES WHAT MEDICAL NEEDS ARE.
AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE I HAVE JUST GOES STRAIGHT TO, UM, BEREAVEMENT TO BEREAVEMENT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT TALKS ABOUT THE CARE OF, UM, IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO THIS IS, IF THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS REGULAR EMPLOYEES.
SO THAT'S GONE OR AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER.
AND SO THEN IT GOES TO BEREAVEMENT.
SO WE'RE STILL, WE'RE IN SICK LEAVE AND THEN IT JUST, THE POINTING TO YOU I'M HAVING YEAH, I POINT BACK TO BEREAVEMENT.
SO THE PURPOSE, THE THINGS YOU CAN USE SICK LEAVE FOR IS FOR THESE MEDICAL CONDITIONS FOR YOURSELF, FOR A FAMILY MEMBER, UHHUH OR, UM, THE BEREAVEMENT POLICY DOES DEFINE IT.
IT GIVES YOU THREE DAYS FOR BEREAVEMENT, BUT UM, THOSE YOU CAN ALSO USE SICK LEAVE FOR BEREAVEMENT.
AND THEN MINIMUM AMOUNT OF LEAVE, 15 MINUTES, THAT'S FOR OUR HOURLY EMPLOYEES.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE IN 15 MINUTES INCREMENTS.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAN WE JUST HAD ABOUT OUR EXECUTIVE EMPLOYEES.
THIS IS ABOUT HOURLY EMPLOYEES.
THEY, ALL OF THEIR TIME IS TRACKED IN THE SYSTEM AT 15 MINUTES.
SO THIS IS A NEW, THAT'S PART OF, THAT WAS PART OF MY CONFUSION ON ALL OF THIS.
IS THIS NEW MINIMUM AMOUNT OF LEAVE? NO, FOR THE, FOR THE HOURLY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 15.
IT'S JUST DOCUMENTING IT FOR THE EXEMPT EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S WHAT WE JUST HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
IT USED TO BE BEFORE AND NOW IT'S A ONE.
YEAH, WE PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T VISIBLE THERE BEFORE AND, AND NOW WE'RE JUST MAKING IT VISIBLE.
THE PLACE TAG GETS CHANGED IS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND, BUT THE 15 MINUTES WAS ALWAYS THERE.
SO THREE IS NOT A NEW NO, IT'S JUST MAKING IT CLEAR.
IT'S JUST PUTTING IT IN RIGHT NOW.
IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THE RED LINE THEN SOMETIMES IT'S ALSO HELPFUL, BUT WHEN IT GETS TO BE, UH, CLUTTERED, IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE THE, THE FINAL TWO.
BUT THEN THAT'S A LOT OF PAPER AND, UH, YEAH.
SO IT, ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, COULD YOU, UM, DIRECTOR SEND THE CLEAN COPY TO THE COUNCIL OR TO ME AND I'LL SEND IT TO THE COUNCIL.
THAT WAY THEY CAN HAVE IT TO, TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK ANY OF THEIR READING OF, OF THE RED LINE.
THAT WAY WHILE EMPLOYEES ARE HAVING THEIR TIME WITH THIS, COUNSEL CAN ALSO JUST DOUBLE CHECK THE AREAS.
THE ONLY CHANGES WE'RE GONNA MAKE IS WHAT, UM, JIM POINTED OUT RELATED TO THE YOU VERSUS EMPLOYEE.
AND THEN I'LL RESEND THESE, IT'LL START THE RED LINE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TRACK CHANGES IF YOU NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
CAN YOU, SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE, THE TRACK CHANGES, CAN WE HAVE A CLEAN COPY WITH, WITH EVERYTHING ACCEPTED OR, OR THE FINAL WOULD BE FINAL ISH VERSION SO THAT IT'S CLEAN JUST TO LOOK AT.
YEAH, IT WON'T HAVE MUCH VALUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPROVED OR ANYTHING, BUT IT WILL HAVE VALUE IN THE SENSE THAT GUIDE THE READING.
IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT SECTION.
IT STRUCK OUT OF MINIMUM AMOUNT OF LEAVE WAS UNDER A DIFFERENT AND THEN GOT MOVED.
SO SOME OF 'EM WERE STRUCK OUT AND MOVED.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THESE? SO LET'S JUST REVIEW THE PROCESS.
UM, IT WENT FROM, UH, BEING SOCIALIZED BY YOUR STAFF TO THEN BEING DISCUSSED WITH DIRECTORS AND NOW IT'S HERE.
THE NEXT STEP IS FOR IT TO NOW GO OUT TO EMPLOYEES AND THEY'LL HAVE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, 30 DAYS MINIMUM TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE COMMENTS MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS.
AND THEN FROM THERE, JUST LOOK AT THE JANUARY VERSUS EARLY OR FEBRUARY RIGHT.
SCHEDULE TO SEE WHAT WE BRING IT BACK.
THAT COMES BACK TO COUNSEL AND YOU'LL BE REPORTING BACK ON ANY COMMENTS YOU'VE
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RECEIVED.YEAH, I'LL PUT TOGETHER A SUMMARY OF COMMENTS LIKE THIS AND THEN IF WE, IF WE'RE RECOMMENDING CHANGES BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS OR NOT.
AND THEN AT, AT, AT THAT POINT, UM, IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO AGAIN.
IT CAN JUST BE FINALIZED BY THE COUNCIL.
THE NEXT, THE NEXT READING WOULD BE, UNLESS THE FEEDBACK IS SO SUBSTANTIAL THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO THE FINAL THING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT ASSUMING THAT WHATEVER CHANGES OR RECOMMENDATIONS WE GET FROM STAFF, IF WE CAN INCORPORATE RELATIVELY EASILY, WE WOULD BRING IT TO AN ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING AND ASK FOR VOTE.
AND, UH, COUNSEL, YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY, WE THINK THIS IS SUBSTANTIAL, LET'S TAKE IT BACK TO THE EMPLOYEES AND SEE IF THEY AGREE YOU HAVE SOME, SOME AUTHORITY HERE, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL WAIT TO THEM TO SEE HOW, UH, HOW THIS IS RECEIVED.
GREEN, GREEN LIGHT FOR THE NEXT STEP.
JIM, ARE YOU PUTTING THE S ON WARNINGS AND PARENTHESES? UH, I'M A LITTLE BIT, I'M A LITTLE BIT, UH, CONFUSED ABOUT WHERE WE LANDED ON THAT.
SO I KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE LANDED A PLACE WHERE WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT CHANGE OR WE'RE GONNA LEAVE A FLEXIBLE LANGUAGE THERE.
MY RECOMMENDATION, I THINK YOU SEE MIKE'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE LEAVE THE LANGUAGE FLEXIBLE.
THERE DOES THE S THAT COULD INSTEAD OF SHE.
DOES THE S THOUGH HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY? YEAH, ACTUALLY.
SO JUST PUT THE S ONLY AND STILL THERE COULD BE MORE THAN ONE.
ALRIGHT, DIRECTOR JONES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FIELDING ALL THESE, UH, DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW.
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TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT, UH, WAS CAUSED FOR A LOT OF CONVERSATION, UM, IN OUR LAST MEETING.SO HERE WE ARE, UM, HAVING HAD, UM, OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR AIRPORT DIRECTOR, UH, SPEND SOME TIME WITH THIS.
AND SO IF, UH, WE COULD HAVE, UH, DIRECT TURNER AND, UH, RIGHT KIRK, OUR CITY ATTORNEY COME FORWARD.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, ALSO IN YOUR PACKET THEN A, UM, VERSION OR VERSIONS OF THE ORDINANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
UM, AND SO MIKE, WHY DON'T WE START WITH YOU SHARING WITH US, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME BEING SO INFA NO.
UM, IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH US THE TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, UM, EXPECTING COUNCIL TO PASS BOTH OF THEM.
RIGHT? THIS IS A PICK YOUR FAVORITE LABOR.
UM, I'M GONNA MOVE TO THIS OTHER MIC BECAUSE THIS ONE'S NOT COOPERATING WITH ME.
BUT, UH, WE TOOK FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION THAT, UH, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND I PUT TOGETHER TWO ALTERNATIVE, UH, OPTIONS THAT I THINK, UH, WERE CLOSE TO WORK COUNCILS, UH, COALESCING.
THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE, IF WE HAVEN'T ACHIEVED WHAT YOU WERE HOPING TO SEE TODAY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, SHARPEN THE PENCILS, BUT THIS SHOULD GET YOU CLOSE.
AND I WORKED WITH IAN ON THIS TO KIND OF, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T MAKING, CAUSING PROBLEMS, UH, FOR THE AIRPORT.
THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE'LL PRESENT TO YOU IS ONE THAT RETURNS, UH, INTERNATIONAL WAY TO THE DEFAULT RULES FOR THE CITY AND ONE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT OVERNIGHT PARKING, UH, ON INTERNATIONAL WAY.
SO THE FIRST ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE, UH, IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN TO THE OPERATIVE LANGUAGE, THERE WE GO.
SO THIS WOULD, UH, PREVENT PARKING BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 1:00 AM AND 5:00 AM ON INTERNATIONAL WAY.
THE, THE REASON WHY WE'VE SELECTED THOSE HOURS HAS TO DO WITH WHAT THE CURRENT, UM, LATEST AND EARLIEST FLIGHT ARE AT THE AIRPORT THAT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT TO USE INTERNATIONAL WAY AS A, UH, SORT OF A CELL PHONE LOT, THE ABILITY TO PARK THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO BE WORRIED THAT THEY'D BE GETTING A CITATION.
AND THE, THE IDEA THERE BEING THAT APP BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE IN THE MORNING, UM, IF THERE WAS A CAR THAT WAS PARKED THERE, IT'D BE READILY APPARENT TO ANYONE THAT WAS GONNA ENFORCE IT TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT WAITING FOR AN AIRPLANE FLIGHT AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AT WORK.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARKED THERE IN A WAY THAT'S, UH, NOT PERMITTED.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS SORT OF THE IDEA.
THE OTHER VERSION, IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN TO THAT, CORRINE WOULD JUST, UH, IF YOU'LL SCREW UP JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THAT FIRST PAGE, THERE WE GO.
SO, UH, THAT WILL, THAT WOULD TAKE A INTERNATIONAL WAY OFF BETWEEN, UH, NOT, I GUESS THIS IS NOT THE LAST ONE I SENT HIM WORK OUT WITH, UH, IAN ON.
BUT, UH, WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD TAKE INTERNATIONAL WAY, UH, FROM BETWEEN BORA AVENUE TO SKYLINE AND JUST RETURN IT TO THE DEFAULT RULES OF PUBLIC PARKING.
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THE CITY OF IDAHO, IDAHO FALLS, YOU CAN REMAIN PARKED IN ONE LOCATION FOR A PERIOD OF 48 HOURS.AFTER 48 HOURS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO MOVE YOUR CAR AT 300 FEET.
IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, THEN YOU'RE GUILTY OF A, UH, OVER TIME PARKING, UH, VIOLATION TO INFRACTIONS.
I THINK IT'S A $25 TICKET, 20 OR 25 TICKET.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE, THE TWO OPTIONS.
ONE THAT PROHIBITS OVERNIGHT PARKING AND ONE THAT WOULD JUST TREAT INTERNATIONAL ROAD LIKE ANY OTHER ROAD IN TOWN.
SO I, I GUESS WITH THAT, UH, WE WOULD TAKE DIRECTION OR COMMENT OR DISCUSSION.
MAY I ASK POLICE CHIEF A QUESTION? UM, SURE.
CHIEF JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, IF YOU COULD ALSO SHARE THAT ONE WORKING MIC, UH, IT WOULD HELP FOR THE RECORDING.
THIS OTHER ONE TURNED ON SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKED FIXED.
SO RUN INTO THIS PERIODICALLY AND I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY MORE EQUAL, ACTUALLY FEASIBLE TO ENFORCE ON DEPARTMENT TO YOUR OFFICERS.
SO MY DEFAULT IS WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU TELL US TO DO.
HAVING SAID THAT, UM, SO WHEN ON THE 48 HOUR, 48 HOUR ONES, UM, TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE 48 HOURS, YOU'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND CHALK THEIR TIRE WHEN THEY FIRST PARK.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S 48 HOURS UNTIL, WELL, MORE THAN 48 HOURS HAVE PASSED.
SO USUALLY IT'S SEVERAL DAYS AFTER THEY'VE BEEN THERE, SOMEONE WILL CALL, HEY, THIS CAR'S OUT THERE.
THEN WE GO OUT AND TAG IT AND THEN ONCE IT'S TAGGED, WE WAIT 48 HOURS BEFORE WE GO OUT AND DO ANYTHING.
SO ON THAT FOUR EIGHT HOUR RULE, THE ENFORCEMENT MEANING OF IT IS YOU'VE REALLY PUSHED THAT OUT QUITE A FEW DAYS.
IF YOU HAVE THE NO OVERNIGHT PARKING, THAT'S PRETTY QUICK AND SIMPLE.
BUT IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T DO THE OTHER, YOU DO THAT EVERY DAY AT THE REST OF THE CITY.
AND THEN MY THOUGHT IS I WOULD JUST PREFER TO NOT HAVE THE OVERNIGHT PARKING.
I FEEL LIKE JUST FOR THOSE BUSINESSES THAT SIT ON INTERNATIONAL WAY, I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S SO IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT MAKES IT REALLY PRIME FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING LONGER THAN 48 HOURS OR 72 HOURS.
SO I JUST THINK THAT IF WE HAVE NO OVERNIGHT PARKING THERE, THEN I THINK THAT IT, IT HELPS THOSE BUSINESSES.
I THINK IT HELPS FOR SNOW REMOVAL.
WE DO HAVE A LOT PUBLIC LOT PLUS A PART, UH, EMPLOYEE LOT THAT IF WE ARE ALWAYS MAKING SNOW UP AGAINST A BUNCH OF PARKED CARS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WEEK, I JUST WOULD, I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING BACK TO PUBLIC STREET WITH PARKING, BUT I WOULD JUST PUT THE NIGHTTIME RESTRICTIONS ON IT FOR ENFORCEMENT AND TO GO AHEAD.
I THINK EXCHANGED EMAILS WITH DIRECTOR TURNER ABOUT CELL PHONE LOT CONCEPT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE THE RATIONALE FOR THIS IS NOT FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING.
IF YOU'RE GOING OUT ON A FLIGHT, YOU PARK HERE EITHER BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS OR BECAUSE YOU ARE, UH, WAITING TO BE CALLED TO GO PICK UP SOMEBODY OR WHATEVER.
I WILL THROW ONE MORE THING INTO MY THINKING AND THAT IS, I ACTUALLY WOULD RATHER PULL OFF A LITTLE BIT BEFORE ACTUALLY PASSING THIS.
'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE PUBLIC WORKS AND AIRPORT WORK OUT A PLAN FOR THIS STREET.
SO THE IDEA THAT THERE IS A DESIGNATED SPACE FOR CELL PHONE, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THOUGHT AHEAD RATHER THAN JUST EXPECTING THAT PARALLEL PARKING WILL TAKE CARE OF IT BECAUSE THAT MAY BE MORE DANGEROUS ACCIDENT WISE THAN WE REALIZE AND I'D RATHER THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S MY CONCEPT.
I'D RATHER COME BACK WITH AN ACTUAL PLAN FOR LAYING OUT THE STREET
BUT THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT BETWEEN WHAT THIS BEEN SAID HERE.
MOSTLY I LIKE THE IDEA OF NO PARKING BETWEEN WHATEVER HOURS WE DETERMINE.
AND I THINK IT, IT DOES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT IS IT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM TURNING THAT INTO A LONG-TERM PARKING SPOT BECAUSE THEY, THEY GET AWAY WITH IT WHEREVER.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, AND AND DEFERENCE TO WHAT JIM SAID, IF WE DECIDE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY AND THEN THE AIRPORT COMES BACK AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'RE READY TO COME UP.
WE'VE GOT A PLAN FOR A CELL PHONE PARKING AREA.
IT'S ALREADY GOT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
I, I WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CHANGING THE
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RULES NOW AND THEN CHANGING THE RULES AGAIN.SIXTY, NINETY, A HUNDRED TWENTY DAYS, WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE DOWN LINE.
UH, AND I PROBABLY PREFER THAT, BUT I THINK I CAN LIVE WITH THE IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE MIGHT END UP ALTERING SOME OF THAT PARKING AGAIN FOR, UH, CELL PHONE WAITING AREAS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT I, I GET, I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THE PARKING, BUT ONE THING, THIS POLICY WOULDN'T CHANGE EVEN IF THEY COME BACK AND, AND DESIGNATE PARKING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE YOU CAN LIKE MAKE STRIPES.
HOWEVER YOU STRIKE THE ROAD, HOWEVER YOU SIDE THE ROAD, HOWEVER YOU LIKE, IF YOU DO BLOCK BASED PARKING, IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THE THIS OR THE ORDINANCE.
LIKE FOR ME, I JUST THINK THAT I WOULD'VE NEVER KNOWN THAT THIS ORDINANCE EXISTED LIKE WITHOUT THIS ONE, ONE INCIDENT.
SO FOR ME, I THINK IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, THEN I'M FINE WITH IT TO JUST PROHIBIT OVERNIGHT PARKING AND THEN, AND THEN WE, WE CAN STRIPE IT HOWEVER WE WANT, BUT WE WON'T COME BACK INTO THE ORDINANCE AND SAY, AND WE'RE GONNA STRIPE IT THIS WAY.
I MEAN THAT JUST IS A, THAT'S JUST A, CAN YOU REMIND ME RIGHT NOW IT HAS YELLOW, UH, PAINT ON THE CURB AND WHAT OTHER SIGNAGES THERE CURRENTLY? NO OTHER SIGNAGE.
UM, AND UM, IAN, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT A SET DIRECT TURN, WHAT A CELL PHONE WA ON A SIDE STREET OR PARKING ON THE SIDE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE OR IS? I MEAN, IT'S JUST A A, A ROUGH IDEA.
IT'S NOT, IT CAN'T BE TURNED INTO THIS BEAUTIFUL ROUNDABOUT FLOW OF TRAFFIC IN ANY WAY.
NO, NO MATTER, UH, WHICH DIRECTION THIS ORDINANCE GOES, WE WILL CONTINUE TO, TO PURSUE CONSTRUCTION OF A, A DEDICATED CELL PHONE LOT.
I THINK THE BEST PATH FORWARD AS FAR AS UTILIZING ON STREET PARKING IN THAT MANNER IS TO BOTH ONE OF THESE OPTIONS.
AND WE JUST INSTRUCT PASSENGERS INSTEAD OF WAITING ALONG THE NARROW PORTION SKYLINE OR IN THE TERMINAL LOOP THAT THERE'S SPACE ON INTERNATIONAL WAY, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE, UH, RESTRICTED PARKING, HOWEVER THE COUNCIL DECIDES.
AND IT'S MORE OF AN INTERIM TYPE USE TO DIRECTING PEOPLE TO USE IT THAT WAY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO THE LONG TERM CELL PHONE LOT WILL BE A LONG SKYLINE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER WITH AN ENTRANCE ON ONE SIDE.
PARKING WILL BE RESTRICTED TO PROBABLY NO MORE THAN AN HOUR.
THAT'S A TWO B TURN DOWN THE LINE.
AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE NOTIFIED THAT THE PERSON THEY'RE PICKING UP SURVIVED, THEY EXIT CONTINUE ON THE LOOP, PICK UP THEIR PASSENGER AND THEN EXIT, UH, TO THE STOP.
BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THIS BEING AN INTERIM LOT, UM, THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED WITH SIGNAGE, UM, ONCE WE HAVE THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE TAKEN CARE SIGNAGE AND SOME PERSISTENCE COULD CHANGE PASSENGER HABITS.
SO, UH, JOHN, AND THEN, AND THEN WE HAVE FINAL QUESTION.
YEAH, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS 'CAUSE FROM A TERMS OF THE OFFICERS KNOWING THIS ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND KNOW THIS, RIGHT? BUT IF WE SIGN IT RIGHT AND STRIPE IT, THEN THEY JUST KNOW IT INTUITIVELY.
JUDGE, THAT'S, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? YEAH, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THIS ONE'S BROKEN AGAIN, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, YES.
BUT ALSO, UM, THE AIRPORT HAS A POLICE OFFICER WHO WORKS AT THE AIRPORT.
AND AS THIS IS CONNECTED, I BELIEVE IT'S WITHIN THE, UH, UH, FAA RULES FOR RESPONSE BACK TO THE AIRPORT.
I, NOT THAT THE OTHER OFFICERS WON'T ENFORCE IT, BUT I IMAGINE THIS WILL BE ENFORCE SPECIFICALLY BY THE AIRPORT OFFICER.
SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THE SPECIFIC ORDINANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THEY COULD TELL PEOPLE, LIKE, MY DAUGHTER'S BEEN APPROACHED BY THIS OFFICER AND SAID, HEY, YOU'RE, BUT HE CAN DO THAT INFORMATION.
I DON'T, I MEAN, I PREFER LESS THAN MORE, BUT I THINK ONE TO FIVE SEEMS FUN.
MR. COUNCIL FREEMAN? UM, I JUST HAVE ONE CONCERN ABOUT IF WE'RE GONNA USE IT AS CELL PHONE PARKING, WHETHER THAT'S OFFICIAL OR UNOFFICIAL.
I, I JUST SEE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE MAKING U-TURNS IN THIS STREET AND I, AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A TURNAROUND, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PARK ALONG THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA PULL A U-TURN TO GET BACK TO THE AIRPORT.
SO, AND I WOULD SAY THAT THIS WOULD BE STRICTLY UNOFFICIAL.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO PICK SOMEBODY UP AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HASSLED FOR WAITING TOO LONG RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE AIRPORT, WHICH WILL HAPPEN, YOU WAIT TOO LONG AND THE POLICE OFFICER WILL ASK YOU TO MOVE ALONG.
THEY MAY USE THIS OR THEY MAY USE THIS FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE.
UH, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO ANY ONE PARTICULAR TYPE OF PARKING.
IT'S OPEN TO ALL KINDS OF PARKING BETWEEN THE HOURS OF ONE
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AND FIVE.AND, UH, I, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT YOU WILL FIND PEOPLE WHO WILL USE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY AT THE AIRPORT.
YOU'LL FIND PEOPLE WHO WILL USE IT FOR OTHER REASONS TOO.
AND I THINK THAT MY ADVICE WOULD BE THAT THE CITY NOT INQUIRE TOO MUCH ON WHY PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING IT.
BUT TO EITHER ALLOW IT OR ALLOW IT WITH CONDITIONS OR TO NOT ALLOW IT AT ALL.
I, AND ONE OTHER COMMENT I AND DIRECTED TOWARDS JIM ABOUT, UM, THE LIGHT SHOW'S ALREADY UP AND RUNNING, RIGHT? SO, AND, AND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, LET'S, LET'S GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS LATER.
I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS TODAY.
ACTUALLY, I THINK TIME'S OF THE ESSENCE IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE, BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE ALREADY DOING THEIR LIGHT SHOW.
I MEAN, KURT DROVE BY THERE THE OTHER DAY AND WENT OUT AND IT WAS UP AND RUNNING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, UM, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
YEAH, I, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT I, I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT BEEN RESOLVED.
THEY'VE ADJUSTED THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE AND SO THEY'VE DELAYED, I WILL SAY I TALKED TO, THEY DELAYED IT UP UNTIL JUST LIKE THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
SO THEY DID START IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT AND THEY AREN'T, THEY HAVEN'T PUT IT TO MUSIC WAS MY UNDERSTANDING YET EITHER.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME TO, TO DO THAT.
THEY JUST TURNED ON THE LIGHTS BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BE VERY, I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S SEPARATE, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY ARE NOT DOING WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, DIRECTOR FON, CAN YOU COME FORWARD JUST TO BE AVAILABLE, UM, COUNCILOR FRANCIS COURT TO SAY THAT HE WAS ASKING FOR THIS DELAY IN ORDER TO ALLOW SOME COLLABORATION, UM, AND CONVERSATION AND PLANNING TO TAKE PLACE FOR SIGNING THE ROAD, UH, AS INTELLIGENTLY AS POSSIBLE TO, UH, ENCOURAGE THE USES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND YET WE ALSO HEARD FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT WE CAN'T POLICE INTENTION.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHY SOMEONE'S GONNA BE USING THIS.
AND SO IS, IS THERE A NEED FOR A LOT OF TIME, UM, LIKE COUNCILOR FRANCIS IS ASKING FOR OR CAN WE ACHIEVE THE MOST FLEXIBILITY IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? BOY, I I, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
I, I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE BOTH.
I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IS IF THIS TURNS INTO A, A HIGHLY FREQUENT AREA THAT PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING FOR, WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP, HOW ARE THEY ACTUALLY GET BACK TO ACCESS SKYLINE? RIGHT.
WE HAVE PUBLIC STREETS THAT INTERCONNECT THROUGH ETHEL.
IT'S KIND OF ROUNDABOUT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO, UM, U-TURNS.
BUT I THINK I'VE MENTIONED IN THE PAST ALSO, 'CAUSE WE DID AN ACCIDENT ANALYSIS ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET, WE HAD NO ACCIDENTS WHATSOEVER.
SO IT IS, IT'S, IT'S NOT SEEING A GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC.
SO I DON'T, I THINK WE MAY BE, UM, MAKING THIS MORE OF A CONCERN AS FAR AS HOW, HOW DOES TRAFFIC RE-ACCESS GUIDELINE IF IT'S USED AS A, AS A SALE PARKING AREA.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT CONCERN THAT, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY ON ANY STREET.
IF WE, IF WE ANTICIPATE OR WE HAVE DATA THAT COMES BACK AND SAYS, THIS IS A PROBLEM WE NEED TO ADDRESS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO IN ANY OF OUR REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS.
IS THAT THAT HELP COUNCILOR FRANCIS? WELL, YEAH.
I, I THINK MY CONCERN IS IF WE DON'T SIGN A SECTION OF THE ROAD AS A CELL PHONE AREA DESIGNATED THAT WAY, THEN WE DON'T GET TO PUT UP THE SIGNS AT THE INTERSECTION SAYING CELL PHONE WAITING AREA HERE.
AND SO WE STILL END UP WITH THAT BIG LINE THAT SHOWS UP WHEN THE PLANES ARE ARRIVING.
I ASSUME WE STILL HAVE BIG LINES SHOWING UP.
IT WAS CERTAINLY THAT WAY A WHILE AGO.
AND THEN SOMEBODY AT THE BACK OF THAT LINE MAY HAVE A PASSENGER WHO'S READY TO GO HOME, BUT THEY CAN'T GET TO 'EM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THE OTHER PASSENGER TO GET THEIR BAGGAGE.
AND I'M JUST THINKING WE COULD, IF WE EVEN JUST HAD ENOUGH SET ASIDE SO WE COULD HAVE A SIGNAGE AT THE INTERSECTION, CELL PHONE, WE AREA HERE AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOT TO STAND IN THE LINE OR SIT IN THE LINE AND SKYLINE AND INTO THE DRIVEWAY, INTO THE AIRPORT.
AND IF WE HAVE IT FREE PARKING FOR ANYONE, WE CAN'T PUT THAT SIGN UP.
SO YOU'RE ALMOST THINKING DIVIDE IT THEN.
SO ONE PART IS STANDING LIKE THE FIRST 60 FEET AND THEN THE NEXT 60 FEET IS JUST ELEPHANT PARK.
I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF THINKING ALONG THE LINE? YEAH, YEAH.
IT DOESN'T PREVENT, LIKE THE CELL PHONE SECTION THAT WE DESIGNATE IS USED UP.
IT'S STILL PARK ON THE STREET ANYWHERE, BUT IT WOULD JUST ALLOW US TO PUT THE SIGNAGE UP SO WE COULD START STOPPING OR START DISCOURAGING THE LONG LINE THAT BUILDS UP AT THE AIRPORT ENTRANCE.
UH, SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISSUES HERE.
NUMBER ONE, WE REALLY ARE JUST RELOCATING
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THE QUEUE FOR, FOR CARS WITH THE HOPE THAT IT DOES RELIEVE SOME OF THE CONGESTION ABOUT TIMING OF WHEN THEY ARRIVE.WE'RE NOT, UNTIL WE DO MORE OF OUR LONG-TERM PLANNING IN THE TERMINAL AREA, WE'RE WE'RE STILL OPERATING IN A TERMINAL FOOTPRINT THAT IS, UH, BUILT FOR MUCH SLOWER TIMES.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE PART OF THAT.
WE, WE, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO WITH THIS ORDINANCE IN A LONG INTERNATIONAL WAY IS GOING TO ALLEVIATE ALL OF THAT LINE.
THE SECOND PIECE, I THINK IS THAT TREATING IT JUST BY LIMITING, UH, PARKING OUTSIDE THE HOURS OF 5:00 AM OR, UH, MAKING IT NO PARKING 1:00 AM TO 5:00 AM WE ARE ALLOWING SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME IN ALL THE SPACES.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT IT, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD SIGN IT FOR BOTH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE WITHOUT CONFUSING DRIVERS.
BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THESE TWO OPTIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE TODAY? AND AS FAR AS DEALING WITH THESE ITEMS, THAT'S, WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING OFF, THAT WAS KIND OF MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA DEAL WITH THOSE EXACT PARKING LIKE ISSUES THROUGH ORDINANCE, RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT TIME, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS WOULD JUST BE THROUGH ORDINANCE.
WE'LL DEAL WITH WHETHER THERE IS ANY PARKING ALLOWED OR TIME OF PARKING, AND THEN THROUGH THE REGULAR PARKING DEAL WITH LIKE WE DO DOWNTOWN.
SO, UM, I DO THINK THAT, UH, THE, THE UNDERLYING DECISION ON WHAT KIND OF PARKING WE'D LIKE TO SEE THERE CAN BE SEPARATED FROM HOW THE PARKING IS SIGNED.
UM, AND THERE IS ACTUALLY A RISK OF, UH, TRYING TO CREATE THIS AS IN OUR MINDS, AN INTERIM STOP GAPP SOLUTION.
BUT IT COULD, AS WE START DIRECTING PEOPLE THERE FORMALLY WITH SIGNS FOR A PARK AND RIDE, OR TO BE A, A CELL PHONE WAITING, UM, THEN WE END UP KIND OF CONFUSING PEOPLE, UH, COME UP WITH PERMANENT OPTION.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WHERE DO THEY WANT ME TO PARK AFTER ALL? FIRST THEY TOLD ME HERE AND NOW THEY'RE TOLD ME.
AND, AND I THINK WE MIGHT BE BETTER OFF JUST NOT GETTING TOO INVOLVED IN, IN INVESTING IN THIS AS A CELL PHONE OVERFLOW.
UM, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE CARS PARKED PARALLEL ALONG THAT ROAD, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN, HEY, THIS IS THE PARKING SECTION AND THIS IS THE WAITING SECTION, THEN WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH PEOPLE HAVING TO BACK IN PARALLEL PARK AND AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE, THAT CELL PHONE CALL BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE PERMANENT PARKING ALL THE ALONG OR, OR LONGER TERM PARKING WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T WAITING.
AND SO I THINK IT, IT, WE EITHER SIGN IT ONE WAY, ORITE IT ANOTHER, BUT BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE INDEPENDENT.
UM, DO YOU WANT IT OVERNIGHT OR DO YOU WANT IT, UH, UM, SORRY, 48 HOUR RULE? NO OVERNIGHT OR 48 HOUR RULE.
UM, WE KNOW THAT THE MOST OF YOU ARE LEANING TOWARD THE NO OVERNIGHT CAN THAT SHOW UP ON THURSDAY NIGHT FOR APPROVAL.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, UM, WE INVITE THE TWO OF YOU AT THE TABLE THERE TO, UH, DETERMINE HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT SIGNED.
IS THAT ALRIGHT WITH EVERYONE? I THINK JIM'S GONNA MAKE THE MOTION NOW.
WELL, WE HAVE COUNCIL DIRECTIONS OF STAFF.
IT'S, IT'S ALREADY ON THURSDAY NIGHT'S AGENDA.
ONE, ONE LAST PIECE TO, TO CITY ATTORNEY'S COMMENT IS THAT THE, THE UPDATED VERSION OF THIS DOES, UH, INCLUDE A PROHIBITION ON PARKING AT ALL TIMES, UH, WEST OF BORA ON INTERNATIONAL, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT FENCE AND COULD CAUSES TS A, SO THAT LOCATION INCLUDED ON THE THURSDAY NIGHT? YES, IT'S THERE.
YES, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T PARK FROM BORA TO THE WEST END.
SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS CARVING OUT FROM SKYLINE TO BORA.
THIS VERSION OF THIS ORDINANCE, UH, DOESN'T SUPPORT THOSE SIGNS ANYMORE.
THAT WAS THE CHANGE I REQUESTED.
ONE OTHER THING THOUGH, IF I COULD ADD TO COUNCILMAN FRANCIS' POINT OF VIEW, UM, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH DAN AND TRY TO WORK OUT WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
ONE THING THAT I WOULD JUST POINT OUT IS ALL OF SKYLINE FROM THE AIRPORT TO PAN AREA DRIVE IS SCHEDULED FOR PAYMENT REHABILITATION NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT KIND OF WIPES THE SLATE OF WHAT WE COULD DO EVEN ALONG SKYLINE THAT MAY MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR SOME TEMPORARY WAITING AS WELL.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS LET'S MAKE A PLAN SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND WE SORT OF SAY THAT'S A GOOD DIRECTION.
SO YOU, IN SOME WAYS, THIS STREET IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT
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AND WE HAVE A TEMPORARY NEED FOR SOMETHING, BUT WE HAVE A TEMPORARY PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE LINING UP.HOW CAN WE HELP? AND I THINK IF WE THINK IT THROUGH AND SAY, OH, WE COULD DO THIS, THAT'D BE GOOD.
WHERE, WHERE DID YOU SAY IT WAS? IT WAS GONNA BE FROM PAN KERRY TO, TO THE AIRPORT PROPERTY, ESSENTIALLY.
SO ALL OF SKYLINE WILL BE REDONE, SO WE KIND OF WAIT THAT WIPES, THAT CAMS CLEAN, IF YOU'LL THE PAPER MARKETS THAT EXIST TODAY.
SO WE CAN DESCRIBE THAT WHATEVER WE'D LIKE TO IN THE FUTURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A DECADE FROM NOW WHEN, UH, PROPERTY ALONG SKY INTERNATIONAL, NORTH INTERNATIONAL WAVE BECOMES EVEN MORE DEDICATED TO, TO AIRPORT USE, CHANCES ARE WE'RE, UH, MOST OF THIS CONVERSATION WILL GET WIPED OUT AGAIN AS WE REMOVE ALL PARKING, UM, FROM THERE.
SO, UM, I THINK, UH, WE'RE PROBABLY HEADED IN HEALTHY DIRECTION FOR RIGHT NOW, AND, BUT JUST KNOW THE FLEXIBILITY IS THE MAIN OF THE GAME WHEN IT COMES TO BEING RESPONSIVE TO WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
SO, UM, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, UH, LET THE TWO OF YOU WORK ON THIS.
AND IF YOU RUN INTO ANY STAGS, UM, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL WORK WITH OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT TO SEE IF, UH, ANY OF THOSE SNAGS, YOU KNOW, RISE TO THE LEVEL, UM, OF A CONCERN.
OTHERWISE, COUNSEL, ONCE YOU VOTE ON THIS THURSDAY NIGHT, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD END UP WITH A POLICY THAT ALLOWS FOR WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE.
AND SO LEGAL, UH, JUST MAKE SURE THE RIGHT POLICY IS ATTACHED AND THE OTHER ONE'S DELETED, I GUESS, AND WE'RE READY TO GO.
UM, MOVING ON THEN TO, UH, SORRY, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA,
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I ACCIDENTALLY, THERE WE GO.UM, WE HAVE THE, UH, NAMING POLICY, UM, FOR, UM, REASONS THAT I THINK, UM, OR PERFECTLY OWNERSHIP BY ME.
THIS DIDN'T END UP IN A PACKET, SO WE'RE NOW SHARING THIS.
BUT ALL ALONG, THE INTENT FOR THIS NAMING POLICY HAS, EXCUSE ME, HAS BEEN FOR THE, UH, CONVERSATION TO START TODAY, NOT TO END TODAY.
SO, UH, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH A COPY HERE? IT DOESN'T.
WELL, FOR YOU, WE HAVE A NAMING, UH, POLICY AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY IN OUR TOWNS THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, FOLKS WHO, UH, WANT TO, UH, SEE SOMEONE BE HONORED OR MAYBE A HISTORICAL EVENT HONORED OR MAYBE A, UM, A, A GROUP HONORED BY NAMING A CITY FACILITY OR PROPERTY OR SO FORTH AFTER, UH, WHATEVER IT IS THAT, UH, PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED.
AND, AND SOMETIMES THOSE PEOPLE ARE INTERNAL TO THE CITY TOO.
SO WHAT THIS POLICY WOULD DO IS PROVIDE A PROCESS IN WHICH ALL REQUESTS BOTH EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL, UH, GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED, AND THEN BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL FOR FINAL, UH, FINAL DECISION.
SO, UH, IT'S THE IDEA BEING THAT THERE'S THREE GENERAL, AND, AND THE OTHER THING I SHOULD SAY ABOUT THIS POLICY TOO IS JUST A GENERAL SET OF GUIDELINES, UH, NOT UNLIKE THE PIRATE CODE THAT WOULD HELP GUIDE DECISIONS ON, UH, FOLKS AND MANAGE EXPECTATIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH CITY PRO PROCESSES ON HOW THESE THINGS ARE DONE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO NAME TOP IS PARK, UH, TETON PARK BECAUSE, UH, TETON IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY A HALLMARK THING IN OUR, IN OUR AREA, AND, UH, REALLY OUGHT TO BE NAMED AFTER TETON, UH, THE TETON MOUNTAINS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE OUGHT TO RENAME THAT PARK FOR.
UH, THIS WOULD GIVE A, A, A STARTING POINT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND WHY IT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD RENAME SOMETHING THAT WE'VE KNOWN BY ANOTHER NAME, UH, FOR THAT REASON.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GENERAL, UH, IDEA AND IT PROVIDES A GENERAL PROCESS.
I'LL JUST DESCRIBE THAT PROCESS GENERALLY AS BEING WHOMEVER IT IS THAT IS MAKING THE REQUEST WOULD FIRST BRING THAT REQUEST TO THE MAYOR FOR THE MAYOR'S REVIEW.
THE MAYOR IS, UH, AGREES THAT THAT'S, UM, WORTHY OF EXPLORING.
THE MAYOR WILL FORWARD IT ONTO THE DIRECTOR SHOULD GO WITHOUT SAYING THAT THE REQUESTER MIGHT BE THE DIRECTOR THEMSELVES.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE SAME PROCESS OF WHETHER IT'S COMING FROM THE DIRECTOR OR SOME OTHER MEMBER IN OUR COMMUNITY.
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UH, GETS ONTO THE DIRECTOR, THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, UH, WE'LL TAKE SOME, UH, DO SOME GROUNDWORK ON, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE, UH, APPROPRIATE.WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD LOOK AT WHERE THIS FACILITY OR PARK OR, UM, LAND THE CITY CONTROLS IS LOCATED ON.
UH, WE WOULD INVITE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS OR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS IF THERE ARE ANY TO, UH, COME AND GIVE COMMENT.
THAT COMMENT COULD COME IN FORM OF WRITTEN COMMENTS, AN INFORMAL MEETING BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR AND THE, THE GROUP.
UH, IN ADDITION, UH, THE DIRECTOR AND THE MAYOR MAY AGREE THAT THE CHANGES OF THE KIND IN WHICH A FORMAL, UH, PUBLIC MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING SHOULD BE CONVENED TO INVITE THE COMMUNITY WRIT LARGE TO COME AND GIVE COMMENT IN A MORE FORMAL SETTING WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE HEARD AND WILL COMMENT, UH, CAN BE TAKEN VERBALLY.
AND THEN AFTER THOSE, UH, COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, IF THE DIRECTORS AND THE MAYOR ARE STILL SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE, THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT WOULD APPEAR ON A COUNCIL AGENDA AND THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR WOULD GIVE A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL.
AND, UH, THAT MIGHT INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THAT PRESENTATION, GIVING, UH, TIME TO THE OTHER FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION TO GIVE COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL.
AND THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE FINAL DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO NAME A FACILITY, PLACE, OR PARK, UH, AFTER, UH, WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO THAT'S THE GENERAL IDEA, IS THAT THIS IS JUST A WAY, UH, THAT IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE IN A NAME, THAT THIS WOULD GIVE SOMEONE AN EXPECTATION OF THE PROCESS THAT'S THERE, AND ALSO GIVE THEM SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR, UH, AND THINKING ABOUT WHEN, UH, IT WOULD CONSIDER RENAMING A FACILITY.
AND THERE ARE THREE, THREE BUCKETS OF WHAT MIGHT PROMPT A CHANGE IN THE NAME SOME HISTORIC EVENT PEOPLE, GROUP OR PLACE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACILITY LAND, OR, UM, PARK THERE AT OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUALS WHO CONTRIBUTED, UH, IN SOME WAY TO OUR COMMUNITY, MIGHT BE RECOGNIZED AND CELEBRATED THAT THE GUIDELINE, UH, SUGGESTS THAT THOSE FOLKS SHOULD BE, UH, DECEASED FOR AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE THE CONVERSATIONS, UH, BROUGHT UP.
AND THEN THE LAST BUCKET OF WHY WE MIGHT CHOOSE TO
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE REASONS, UH, THAT WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF MANAGE PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS ON IT.
AND THIS POLICY, UH, WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY NOT TO RENAME, UH, FACILITIES, UH, OVER AND OVER AGAIN YEAR AFTER YEAR.
UH, THE IDEA BEING THAT THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST A A 20 OR OR 40 YEAR GRACE PERIOD THERE.
AND THAT, UH, IT ALSO INCLUDES A DISCLAIMER THAT IF ANYONE WHO, OR ANY GROUP OR ANYTHING THAT, UH, WE RENAME A FACILITY BECOMES DISRUPTIVE, THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT, UH, TO RENAME OR REVOKE THAT NAME ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO THAT THOSE, THAT'S KIND OF A 30,000 FOOT VIEW OF WHAT THAT POLICY DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU SAYS.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OR, UH, ANY GENERAL CONCERN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
SO THIS IS PART OF A LARGER CONVERSATION, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, SPONSORSHIPS AND, AND ALL SORTS OF, ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC, UM, WHEN DOLLARS OR REPUTATIONS AND NAMES MAY BE INVOLVED.
AND SO, UM, THIS, UH, WE'VE DECIDED TO BREAK IT INTO CHUCK.
IT'S RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NEW CONCEPT TO OUR CODE.
QUESTIONS FOR, UH, LEGAL OR COMMENT.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, WE'LL GO TO FREEMAN RADFORD FOR JOB.
UH, MIKE, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, WE THERE, THE NUMBER TWO OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUALS AND THERE AS A GUIDELINE, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH AS A GUIDELINE NAMING THE FACILITY THAT THE PERSON MUST BE DECEASED AT LEAST ONE, ONE TO THREE YEARS.
UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE RE RENAMED MK SIMPSON BOULEVARD, MIKE SIMPSON'S CER CERTAINLY STILL ALIVE.
I KNOW WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HIM NOT BEING IN OFFICE WHEN WE DID IT, BUT NOT THAT HE WOULD BE DECEASED.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, WHY YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS PREDATES EVEN ME BEING THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE IDEA THERE BEING,
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I THINK THAT, UM, WHEN SOMEONE'S DECEASED, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON THEY WERE OR WON'T WORK AND ARE, AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME SOMETHING, UM, I'M GONNA TAKE BLACK ON THIS IF IT GOES VIRAL, BUT YOU NAME SOMETHING THAT BILL COSBY MEMORIAL OR THAT BILL COSBY STREET, AND EVERYONE THINKS THAT'S GREAT IN 1980, EXCITING STUFF.BUT IN 2020, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY WONDERING HOW WE GET THAT OFF THE NAME OF THE STREET.
WELL, YOU HAVE A A REALLY GOOD POINT PARAGRAPH IN HERE ABOUT BECOMING DISREPUTABLE.
SO DOES THAT NOT COVER IT? WELL, IT COULD.
BUT, UH, AND, AND, UH, EVEN, UH, PEOPLE WHO DIE SOMETIMES YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU FIND THE DIRTY LAUNDRY AFTER THEY'VE BEEN GONE.
SO IT ISN'T FOR SUREFIRE PROTECTION AND IT, IT, THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO, TO, FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE BEEN DEAD.
IT'S JUST AS WE LOOKED AROUND FOR OTHER, UH, POLICY GUIDES AND OTHER BEST PRACTICES, THAT THIS IS A REPEATING, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND REPEATING, UH, TREND THAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
IT IS NOT A TREND THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT IF, UH, THE COUNCIL FEELS CONFIDENT.
THAT, AND, AND, AND I SHOULD SAY ONE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A POLICY MAINLY, UH, TO MANAGE OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS.
THIS IS NOT A POLICY THAT BINDS COUNSEL IN MAKING ANY PARTICULAR DECISION.
IT'S A, IT'S A POLICY TO MANAGE OTHER FOLKS' EXPECTATIONS AND TO MANAGE THE COMMUNITY'S EXPECTATIONS, AND MAYBE EVEN TO MANAGE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE IN THE FUTURE ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
IT, IT, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT YOU MAY DECIDE TO NAME SOMETHING IN A WAY THAT WOULDN'T FALL IN CLEANLY INTO ONE OF THESE THREE BUCKETS.
MAYBE AN OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUAL WHO'S STILL ALIVE THAT YOU'D WANT TO RECOGNIZE.
AND COUNCIL HAS THE ULTIMATE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY TO MAKE ANY DECISION WHETHER OR NOT IT FALLS WITHIN OR WITHOUT POLICY.
BUT THE POLICY FORM WOULD GIVE THE ABILITY FOR THE MAYOR TO MANAGE PEOPLE'S CONVERSATIONS.
I MEAN, PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY SAY, OH, I'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA.
LET'S, LET'S, UH, RENAME THE WATER TOWER, UH, PEACE TOWER BECAUSE PETE GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.
JOHN LENNON WASN'T A GREAT, AND, AND IT MIGHT BE A GREAT IDEA.
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, MAKES SENSE, BUT IT MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE JOHN LENNON, MAYBE HE'S NEVER BEEN HERE.
OR MAYBE, UH, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT SONG HERE.
THAT WOULD GIVE THE MAYOR THE ABILITY TO SAY, WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR IDEA, BUT WE HAVE SOME GENERAL GUIDELINES OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
SO I'M NOT GONNA FORWARD THAT ON TO COUNCIL.
BUT IF A COUNCIL MEMBER CAME IN AND SAID TO, UH, THE MAYOR, I WANT ON THE AGENDA, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE NAME OF THE WATER TOWER TO GIVE PEACE OF CHANCE TOWER, AND I'VE GOT FIVE VOTES, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL CAN COME IN AND VOTE, UH, TO RENAME THE TOWER, WHATEVER IT WOULD WANT.
SO THIS POLICY IS REALLY MORE FOR, TO GIVE STAFF AND THE MAYOR AND THE COMMUNITY SOME, SOME EXPECTATIONS ON HOW THE REQUEST MIGHT BE MANAGED AND PROCESS AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT ISN'T REALLY A LIMIT ON WHAT COUNCIL COULD DO IN THE FUTURE.
I PREFER THAT WE TOOK IT THROUGH YOUR DECEASED THING.
COUNCIL FRANCIS, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE RESTRICTION.
THE PERSON CANNOT BE HOLDING AN ELECTED OFFICE AT THE TIME OF THE NAVY.
I'VE GOTTEN AMAZING AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK ON HOW APPRECIATIVE MLK WILL TO THEM.
AND, UH, DO YOU MEAN MK BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE IT.
SORRY, IT JUST ROLLED OFF THE TONGUE DOESN'T, YEAH.
SO, UM, I WOULDN'T WANT TO ADD THAT AT ALL.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS REALLY GREAT, AND THEN I CAN LIVE WITH SOME OF THIS.
IF YOU HAVE A SECTION UNDER A, THAT SAYS, CITY COUNCIL WITH FIVE VOTES AND DO WHAT THEY WANT, THEN IT'S WHAT'S NECESSARY.
BECAUSE THERE'S THINGS THAT DO EMERGE.
MEL ERICKSON PARK WAS NAMED FOR HIM FOR 20 YEARS WHILE HE GOT TO ENJOY THAT AND HAVE PRIDE OF THAT.
AND I ARE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM HIM, ARE GOT A BALLPARK NAMED AFTER, AFTER HE RETIRED.
I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE NAMED A NUMBER OF BALLPARKS AFTER, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN PARKS AND REC THAT GAVE 30 YEARS OF SERVICE THAT I THOUGHT, HEY, LET'S NAME THESE PARKS AFTER SOME OF THEM.
'CAUSE THEY GAVE THEIR LIFE AND BLOOD TO
SO I, I LIKED THE IDEA OF US BEING ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON A RETIREMENT OR LIKE LEO LARSON WAY WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO DO
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THAT.AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT EMERGE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF TELLING THE PUBLIC IF THEY'RE GONNA INITIATE THIS, THEN THEY'RE, HERE'S THE PROCESS.
I WOULDN'T DO THE LIMITATION OF DEATH.
I THINK THE OUT BY SAYING, HEY, THEY BECOME DEFAMED SOMEHOW.
IT SAYS IF THEY, IT BECOME DISREPUTABLE.
THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T WANT THIS IN SECTION THREE MAJOR DONATIONS.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO VERY LITTLE TO RESTRICT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GIVE US MONEY TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA TELL THEM, WELL, YOU HAVE TO PAY 60% OF THE CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
THAT MEANS IF SOMEONE GETS A 50, WE'RE OUTTA THE LOT.
LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S A SOLID PLAN OR COMMITMENT OF MINIMUM 20 YEARS OF ENDOWMENT FOR THE DONOR FOR MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT COMMITMENT.
SO WHY WOULD WE ASK OUR DONORS TO DO THAT? I DON'T, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THAT OUT AND THEN, UM, RENAME THE CITY FACILITY, UM, SHOULD GENERALLY NOT BE CONSIDERED FOR A PERIOD OF 40 YEARS SINCE THE CITY FIRST NAMED THE PARK.
I THINK YOU JUST SAY IT GENERALLY SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED TO BE RENAMED AND NOT PUT IN THE LIMITATIONS.
IN CASE, I MEAN, RENO PARK, TOFU PARK GOT NAMED IN FIVE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE DEPRESSION.
AND THEN THE COMMUNITY KIND OF DECIDED WHAT THEY WANTED WITH TOFU.
I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE IT.
AND IF WE CAN HAVE AN OVERRIDE, THEN I'M GOOD WITH WHATEVER, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT DO EMERGE.
AND IF WE CAN GET FOUR VOTES, THEN I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
WAS MEL ERICSON PARK AFTER HIM WHILE HE WAS ON THE COUNCIL? PROBABLY WHILE HE WAS ON THE COUNCIL? I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW, BUT I KNOW HE WAS CERTAINLY ALIVE.
I MEAN, IT WAS SUNNYSIDE PARK FOREVER NOW.
AND THIS SAYS ENCOURAGED FOR THOSE WHO ARE DECEASED.
ALL OF THESE SHOULD BE VIEWED AS, UH, GUIDELINES.
AND SO, UM, TO, TO COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BRADFORD'S, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, THE DONATIONS THAT I, WE DID HAVE SOMEONE, UH, ONE, ONE MEMORABLE CONVERSATION I HAD IS, UH, SOMEBODY HAD OFFERED TO, TO GIVE THE CITY A, A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUY A HOUSE, BUT THE CONDITION WAS THAT THE ZOO HAD TO BE NAMED AFTER THEM FOR PERPETUITY, COULD NEVER BE CHANGED.
AND THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT GIVEN TO DOING THAT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY WAS NEEDED.
AND SO, AND I, I SAID, WOW, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T EVEN BUY A HOUSE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED THE MONEY, BUT I'M NOT, I'M HAPPY TO BRING WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO COUNSEL 'CAUSE COUNSEL WILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT I THINK EVEN COUNCIL WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, WE REALLY WANT YOUR MONEY AND WE REALLY ARE GRATEFUL.
THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT WE COULD NAME THE WHOLE THING AFTER YOU.
I COUNSEL, I CONCUR WITH THAT.
AND AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THIS AS A POLICY, AND WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT.
WHAT I THINK SETTING A BENCHMARK, I DON'T KNOW IF 60% IS NUMBER, PROBABLY IS FOUNDATIONAL SOMEWHERE.
BUT I THINK SETTING A STANDARD, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT GETS TO BE WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
YOU GET A SLIDING SCALE PRETTY SOON.
SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, I WANT TO DONATE X YOU NAMED IT AFTER HIM, AND HE WAS 28%.
WHERE YOU'VE GOT A GUIDELINE AND YOU MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THE GUIDELINE, THEN YOU MAKE AN YEAH, I THINK IT TAKE THE NUMBERS.
WE COULD PULL SOME OF THOSE OF A CONTRIBUTION.
WE CAN TAKE SOME LINES AND MAKE IT SOME MORE FLEXIBLE LANGUAGE.
SO THE PEOPLE, SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE, OR IT COULD BE AT LEAST A, YOU KNOW, A MAJORITY OR OVER 50%.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING TO SAY SIGNIFICANT OR YEAH, WE CAN USE, USE LANGUAGE MORE LIKE WHAT, UH, LIKE THAT, LIKE, UH, WHAT, UH, JIM FREEMAN'S, UH, SUGGESTED AND THAT WE'LL SEND THE MESSAGE TO SOMEBODY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT COST.
WE, WE WILL CONSIDER NAMING IT AFTER YOU IF YOU DONATE SOME MONEY.
BUT IT, IT'S GOTTA BE CONSIDERABLE, UH, COMMITMENT TO, TO THE CITY.
COULD SOMEBODY DEFEND WHY WE WOULD INCLUDE A SITTING ELECTED OFFICIAL AS A NAMING? RIGHT? WHAT IS THE DEFENSE THAT I HEARD YOURS.
I LIKE, I'M NOT ACCEPTING THAT ONE, JOHN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC SAYING THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
TELLS ME THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
'CAUSE IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE THE JUDGMENT THAT I JUST CAN'T PICTURE THAT JUST STARTING EVEN HERE.
THAT WE WOULD NAME SOMETHING AFTER ONE OF US AND CONSIDER IT JUSTIFIED IN SOME, THERE WASN'T AFTER ONE OF US.
IT'S OF FAVORITISM OR IT'S MAX OF, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, UH, HEY, LIKE, WILL YOU LIKE US NOW? AND WILL YOU REVOKE FRIENDLY POLICY FOR US? NOW, ON THE OTHER HAND, IN THE CASE OF MK SIMPSON, UH, THERE WAS AN AWFUL LOT OF ENTHUSIASM.
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NEGATIVE LIGHT.AND IT WAS TI IT WAS RECEIVED AS INTENDED, WHICH WAS GRATITUDE FOR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, UH, POLICY AND WORK THAT BROUGHT US THE BUILDINGS ALONG THAT ROAD.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT WAS WHAT DROVE, THAT WASN'T THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
BUT IT, IT DEFINITELY WAS RECEIVED IN A, IN A, IT WAS ALL DONE WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS AND SO FAR, YOU KNOW, KNOCK ON WOOD, ALL AS WELL.
BUT, BUT I, I, I SEE YOUR POINT.
AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP US IN THIS ETHICAL, PURE SPACE.
AND I GUESS IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS DECIDE, I, IN THAT CASE, I THINK INL HAD THE OPTION TO NAME ONE OF ITS BUILDINGS AFTER HIM AND GET THE SAME THING.
BUT AS SOON AS YOU PUT THAT NAME UP THERE, YOU'VE CREATED A BILLBOARD FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND YOU'VE ENDORSED THEM.
I JUST, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD DO THAT.
THERE'S AN EXAMPLE IN BOISE, THE ELAINE CLE CITY OF TREES CHALLENGE, AND IT WAS NAMED AFTER HER AND HAS BEEN, AND SHE WAS ON FOR 20, OVER 20 YEARS AND WORKING ON THAT.
IS SHE STILL SHE WAS, WHEN IT WAS NAMED.
UM, I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME POINTS.
YOU'RE, I'M NOT, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
ALMOST 90, A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PERCENTAGE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU'RE KIND OF, IT, IT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE REASONS YOU'RE SAYING.
AND, UM, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S TIMES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE IF SOMEONE WORKED HARD ON THAT ISSUE.
I MEAN, WE NAMED BILLS IN THE CONGRESS AFTER PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AFTER THAT.
DON'T ASK ME TO USE THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE,
BUT THAT IS, IT'S THE, IT'S THE, UM, JOHN, IT'S THE JOHN LEWIS VOTING RIGHTS ACT, OR THE, SO PEOPLE WHO'VE WORKED HARD OR GAVE, THEY'RE SWEATING BLOOD FOR SOMETHING, NOT, THEY OFTEN GET THAT CREDIT.
AND I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S UNHEARD OF, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE IS GOING TO PROBABLY MAKE THAT.
BUT MEL ERICKSON SERVED FOR 30 YEARS AND, AND I HAD A HARDCASTLE YOU KNOW, LIKE 30 YEARS.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THOSE MEETINGS IN THE TIME THEY GAVE.
AND SO I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING THAT IT MIGHT BE AT THE END OF A CAREER LIKE TOM HOWLEY, WHAT DID, DID WE, WE NAMED SOMETHING FOR HIM RIGHT AT THE END, DIDN'T WE? WHILE HE WAS STILL, I DON'T THINK WE, THE SCOREBOARD, THE SCORE.
SO, AND THAT'S NAMING SOMETHING AFTER, AFTER SOMEONE WHO'S RETIRED.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE DEAD.
BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD.
RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS AN EXCEPTION TO SOMETHING THAT, WHICH I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT.
AND IF WE JUST DID IT THE WAY WE SAID WITH THE FOUR VOTES, THEN THE EXCEPTION WOULD COME UP AND WE'D BE ACCOUNTABLE TO CITIZENS FOR DOING IT.
AND, AND I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, REITERATE AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY A, A DOCUMENT, A BLUEPRINT ON HOW TO DO IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA, THAT IS DESIGNED TO MANAGE OTHER FOLKS' EXPECTATIONS.
LOOK, AND, AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DOES NOT NEED, FOR EXAMPLE, IF COUNCIL WANTED TO RENAME, UH, THE, UH, THE DAMS, UH, AFTER, UH, THE SHOSHONE BOCK TRIBES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE BEFORE TIMING, MEMORIAL COUNCIL WOULD NOT NEED TO PRESENT THAT TO THE MAYOR APART FROM GETTING IT ONTO AN AGENDA.
AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD COME AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AFTER NOTICING THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE ONE, AND YOU WOULD VOTE ON IT.
AND IF YOU VOTED TO CHANGE THE NAME, IT WOULD CHANGE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A POLICY.
SO THAT THIS IS MORE OF A DOCUMENT FOR OTHERS WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SEEING A NAME CHANGE AND WANT TO KNOW THE PROCESS AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS MIGHT BE FOR COUNSEL TO CONSIDER A REQUEST THAT WOULD COME, UH, FROM SOMEONE ELSE THAT IS NOT A COUNSEL MEMBER.
AND SO, UH, I, I, AS YOU ARE, AS YOU'RE GIVING THOUGHT TO THIS, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO THINK GENERALLY ON WHAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER FOR CHANGING A NAME, WHETHER IT WAS COMING FROM ONE OF YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER IN THE BODY OR FROM EXTERNALLY.
THIS, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING IS THIS GIVES A PROCESS FOR SOMEONE ELSE WHO IS NOT A COUNCIL MEMBER TO PROPOSE A NAME CHANGE AND, UM, HOW IT MIGHT ARRIVE ON YOUR DESK.
IF THERE'S A NAME THAT WANTS TO BE CHANGED, THAT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER'S, UH, REQUEST THAT'S MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU HAVE A DIRECT CHANNEL TO THE MAYOR.
YOU HAVE A DIRECT AVENUE TO, TO GET SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ANY OF YOU TO BE DISCUSSED AS YOUR BODY.
THAT THIS POLICY WILL NOT CHANGE YOUR, YOUR RIGHTS AS A, UM, ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE TO DISCUSS THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOUR CONSTITUENCIES.
UH, ALL THIS WOULD DO IS ALLOW, UH, THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE ON YOUR RADAR TO HAVE A CLEAR PROCESS ON HOW THE CITY MIGHT CONSIDER THOSE CHANGES.
AND I, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, I
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LOVE THAT WE COULD HAVE THE OPTION.I THINK YOUR, YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE VALID AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
BUT WE, I MEAN, WE HAVE LEAT LEWIS COURT AND COULD HAVE KEVIN DAY FILLED AND, AND MARTIN, PHIL, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU, YOU CAN DO THAT WITH OUR BOATS IF WE WANT TO DO IT.
AND THAT THIS IS A GUIDELINE FOR IF SOMEONE WANTS TO START FROM SCRATCH TO THE
YOU NAMED THE BEST BOOK OR WHATEVER.
WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE WEST EAST AQUATIC CENTER? I MEAN, WE SO RARELY, WE SO RARELY DO THIS.
WE HAVE A POLICY THAT CREATES THE, THE GUIDELINES FOR IN CASE WE WERE EVER TO DO THIS.
I DO, I REALLY DO SEE YOUR POINT HERE.
MY, MY FEAR IS ACTUALLY THAT IT DOES SEEM AS THOUGH NOT EVEN FAVORITISM, THAT IT DOES, IT DOES SEEM LIKE AN ENDORSEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THERE, THERE ARE DO'S AND DON'TS HERE.
UM, AND THERE ARE BEST PRACTICE GUIDELINES.
AND IF WE CAN KEEP THAT BEST PRACTICE GUIDELINES IN HERE, AND, UM, THEN PEOPLE WILL EXPECT THE BEST KIND OF PRACTICE FROM US.
AND IF YOU, UH, IF A COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT THERE'S A REASON FOR, UH, A DIFFERENT APPROACH, THEN SO BE IT.
WE COULD AT LEAST SAY CITY ELECTED IT.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S ALMOST WORSE.
I'M GONNA ASK THAT ALL OF YOU.
UM, WELL, LET'S SEND THIS OUT ELECTRONICALLY.
UM, GIVE YOU GUYS A CHANCE TO PLAY WITH IT.
AND IF YOU HAVE, UH, IF, IF YOU ROLL IT OVER YOUR HEADS LONG ENOUGH AND YOU REALLY DECIDE YOU WANNA SEND SOMETHING TO MIKE, TO MIKE, MIKE, UM, WHEN THE TIME COMES, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE, TAKE THIS ON BY NEXT WEEK.
I THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH OF A RUSH TO TRY TO LEGISLATE THIS.
UM, WE WOULD BE ADOPTING THIS POLICY BY RESOLUTION, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, GIVE YOU THE ENTIRE HOLIDAY SEASON TO MULL IT OVER, TO PLAY WITH WORDS.
UM, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING BACK TO, UM, MIKE BY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THEN UM, HE'LL GO WITH THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, I WOULD SAY CAN I, CAN I ASK FOR BEFORE WE DO THAT? SURE.
CAN I JUST SAY ON PAGE THREE, UM, THE, UH, SECTION HERE THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE, UH, THE WORD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PA IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SENTENCE IS COMPROMISES.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE COMPRISES.
I BECAME A LITTLE CONFUSED IN THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I FELT LIKE SOMEBODY WITH ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WAS SAYING SOMETHING.
THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD AGREE WITH SOME OPPOSITE, BUT IT WAS IN AN OPPOSITE.
SO, SO I'D WANT, SO FOR CLARIFICATION, JUST FOR, FOR WHERE I'M AT, I WOULD GET RID OF, I WOULD GET RID OF THE SPECIFICS OF THINGS.
I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S UP TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DECIDE WHAT HAS VALUE OR NOT VALUE TO THE CITY.
AND IF WE'RE REALLY SUPER STRAPPED, A HUNDRED DOLLARS MIGHT WORK OUT HERE.
THERE JUST COULD BE, I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO COUNCIL.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY JUST RIGHT AWAY IS THAT I WOULD PULL THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REMAIN ANY PARK FACILITY OR LOCATION.
I WOULD MAKE THAT ITS OWN SECTION.
IT KIND OF GOES, HID IN THERE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO STAND OUT, BUT I WOULD JUST STRIKE CALLING THREE.
BUT I WOULD GET RID OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION IN MY MIND ON WHO WAS SAYING WHAT, BUT HAVING NOT LOOKED AT IT, I TOTALLY, THE VIEWPOINTS THAT I THINK, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S, FOR ME, IT IS A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE'RE GOING OVER COMMERCIALIZATION OF BUILDINGS.
IT MIGHT NOT BE ONE PARTICULAR, BUT YOU HAVE, I KNOW THEY'VE CHANGED IT, BUT IT WAS LIKE MOUNTAIN AMERICA HERO ARENA.
I MEAN, THAT BECOMES COMMERCIALIZED DOWN TO THE VERY, LIKE EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE.
WHAT'S THAT? BLUE CROSS OF IDAHO? YEAH.
IT, SO, SO YOU KIND OF OVER COMMERCIALIZE.
IT'S JUST WHERE IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHAT ONE, TWO, AND THREE YOU WANT TO STRIKE THERE, THERE.
IT'S I DOUBLE I AND TRIPLE EYE.
THE 60% 20 ENDOWMENT, THE GUIDELINES UNDER MAJOR DONATIONS, THIRD PAGE, MIDDLE OF THE PAGE.
BUT YOU MIGHT BE, WE MAY BE ENTERING INTO A BIGGER LEAGUE THAN YOU THINK.
AND IT MIGHT BE, UH, A WAY FOR US TO BE TURNING AWAY REASON FOR A HIGH THRESHOLD OR A HIGHER THRESHOLD.
WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT NAMING TO COME FORWARD.
AND I I WOULD, YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LIKE, THERE WAS A PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT SEEMED LIKE LEAVE IT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WONDERED, AND THAT'S WHY I'M MULLING IT OVER IN MY HEAD, IS IT REALLY A DONATION IF THEY'RE BUYING A NAMING? RIGHT.
THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TO ME IT'S LIKE, THIS IS, THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT.
IT'S LIKE A DONATION AND WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE DONATION.
AND THEN THERE'S LIKE, WITH NO EXPECTATION, THIS IS THE TRANSACTION, HERE'S THE CONTRACT, HERE'S THE DEAL.
SO I'M, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING
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IN MY HEAD.I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN THAT UP.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE THERE'S TWO PIECES TO THIS.
THERE'S A, WE WANT TO HONOR SOMEBODY FOR SOMETHING THEY DID, OR THE GUY, GUY GENDER NOTWITHSTANDING THAT COMES IN AND SAYS, I GOT THIS MUCH MONEY FOR THIS NAMING RECORD.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A PAYMENT FOR BUYING RIGHTS.
THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
OR YOU LEAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR WILL, YOU KNOW, TO BEAUTIFY THOMAS PARK, IF YOU'LL NAME THE PARK AFTER.
WELL, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TURN AWAY OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THINK ABOUT THIS, SPEND SOME TIME WITH IT, TALK TO PEOPLE, UM, AND WE'LL BRING IT FORWARD IN JANUARY.
UM, AND IF WE NEED MORE TIME, IF MIKE HASN'T HEARD FROM ANYONE, UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE HIGH STANDARDS AND BEST PRACTICES.
SO, UM, LET'S, UH, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
UM, TODAY WAS AN INTRODUCTION.
[Idaho Falls Fire Department and Firefighters Union Local No. 1565]
WITH THAT, WE'RE A TINY BIT BEHIND SCHEDULE.I THINK OUR, UH, GUESTS, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, MEMBERS OF THE IDAHO FALLS FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO WALKED IN.
SO, UH, COME, GO AHEAD AND COME INTO THE HOT SEAT OVER THERE AT THE END OF THE TABLE.
AMANDA, I THINK, ARE YOU HERE TO DO AN INTRODUCTION? I'M JUST HELPING.
OH, WELL, UM, CHIEF CHIEF'S, NOT TODAY, SO IN CHIEF COULDN'T COME IN AND HE SAID HE WAS GONNA ASSIGN SOMEONE TO COME IN AND DO AN INTRODUCTION.
UM, BUT WE HAVE, UM, MANY OF YOU KNOW, AMANDA AND, UH, SHE'S HERE AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE.
UM, BUT, UH, AND THEN I'LL SAY A WORD OR TWO.
UM, THIS IS DONOVAN HENDRICKS.
HE'S ONE OF OUR NEW YORK FIREFIGHTERS, AND HE IS KIND OF SPEARHEADING THE FILL THE AMBULANCE CAMPAIGN THAT WE STARTED LAST WEEK.
SO WE'RE HERE TO JUST GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND THIS IS, UM, A, UM, UM, UNION EFFORT THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS SUPPORTING IE ALLOWING THE AMBULANCES TO BE USED AND SUCH.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, FIREFIGHTER ABOUT, UH, FIREFIGHTER HENDRICKS, ABOUT THE, UM, WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT.
I JUST FELT LIKE THERE WAS A NEED THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT DOES, THIS WAS A CHARITY OR ORGANIZED EVENT THAT SOMETHING THAT STAYS LOCAL.
SO IT DIRECTLY BENEFITS THE RONALD, THE RONALD MCDONALD HOUSE CHARITY THAT IS IN IMEC.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT THEY SUPPORT 700 FAMILIES LAST YEAR, UH, THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THERE.
AND IT ALSO SUPPORTS THE IDAHO FALLS RESCUE MISSION.
YES, WE'RE COLLECTING TOYS RIGHT NOW THIS YEAR OR THIS TIME OF THE YEAR FOR CHRISTMAS.
BUT THESE ARE TOYS AND ITEMS THAT WILL BE USED, UTILIZED ALL YEAR LONG.
UM, YEAH, HONESTLY, I JUST FELT LIKE THERE WAS A NEED AND I DECIDED TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT'S DONE IT OR WHAT CAN I DO? HEY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS UNION? ARE YOU OKAY WITH ME DOING THIS? YOU KNOW, CHIEF, ARE YOU OKAY WITH ME DOING THIS? AND THINGS, EVERYTHING JUST LINED UP, YOU KNOW, I MADE THE RIGHT PHONE CALLS AND TALKED TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND IT'S DOING PRETTY WELL.
SO THIS ISN'T A CASE, MAYBE OF ONE PERSON MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, YOU BROUGHT THIS INITIATIVE FORWARD AND MADE IT HAPPEN.
YOU ALSO STARRED IN, UH, IT MIGHT BE YOUR FILM DEBUT DEFINITELY, UH, CAME ACROSS LOOKING GREAT ON CAMERA.
UM, WE HAVE A VIDEO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOU TO PREVIEW IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.
IF YOU HAVE SEEN IT YET, ENJOY IT AGAIN.
OH, IT ALWAYS GOES LIKE THIS, DOESN'T IT? WE CAN'T OPEN THE LOOK GOOD FOR A SECOND THERE.
I'M A FIREFIGHTER IN IDAHO FALLS.
NORMALLY YOU CALL US FOR HELP THIS TIME.
THE IDAHO FALLS FIRE DEPARTMENT AND LOCAL 1565 NEEDS YOUR HELP WITH OUR EMERGENCY.
WE NEED TO FILL THAT AMBULANCE WITH TOYS.
ALL TOYS COLLECTED ARE GONNA GO TO LOCAL FAMILIES THAT RECEIVE HELP FROM THE RONALD MCDONALD FOUNDATION AND THE IDAHO FALLS RESCUE MISSION.
WE NEED TO GET THIS THING FILLED BY DECEMBER 13TH.
THIS IS OUR NINE ONE CALL TO YOU.
HOW WILL YOU RESPOND? I JUST WANNA ADD, I'M CONTRARY TO THAT VIDEO.
I'M NOT A SOCIAL MEDIA PERSON, SO I DON'T NORMALLY MAKE VIDEOS.
I DID HAVE A HELP OF A FRIEND THAT DOES DO SOCIAL MEDIA FOR DIFFERENT
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BUSINESSES AND, AND THAT OF FALL.AND THAT HELP WAS DONATED, I IMAGINE? YES.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THE SCRIPT WRITING WAS EXCELLENT, WASN'T IT? IT WAS JUST VERY CLEVER PLAYING ON FLIPPING, FLIPPING THE WHOLE, WE NEED YOUR HELP, UH, KIND OF THING.
IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT YOU LOOK AT IT, IT MAKES YOU FEEL REALLY PROUD.
AND, UH, SO WHY DID YOU GUYS SEE IT? SO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WHERE WILL THE, WHERE WILL THE, UM, DO PEOPLE JUST BRING DONATIONS TO, TO WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE? YEAH, SO I HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO ALL OF THE FIRE STATIONS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DROPPING THINGS OFF AT.
UM, ALSO MALTESES CROSSFIT HAS BEEN HELPING US OUT WITH PUTTING OUT ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA AND BEING A DROP OFF LOCATION.
BUT, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S MOSTLY THE FIRE STATIONS.
ALL ALL FIRE STATIONS? YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN, UH, SO THIS IS PART OF, SO I KIND OF, THIS IS AN IDEA THAT I HAD AND I WAS LOOKING FOR AN ORGANIZATION TO JUMP ON BOARD WITH, AND THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT THE FOURTH ANNUAL LIGHT PARADE THAT RON RONALD HOUSE CHARITIES DO.
SO I'M KIND OF JUST JUMPING ON BOARD WITH THEM.
BUT THE PHIL, THE AMBULANCE WAS LIKE MY PERSONAL GOAL AND OKAY.
THANK YOU THING THAT I WANTED TO DO.
ARE THERE ANY PARTICULAR TOYS THAT YOU THINK, UH, ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS THAT YOU'D LIKE PEOPLE TO FOCUS ON? ANY AGE GROUPS, ANY? UH, SO I WENT TO, I DROPPED OFF, UM, A CHECK AT THE WRONG MAP, WRONG, I CAN'T SAY THAT WORD, THE WRONG MCDONALD HOUSE TODAY AT IMAC.
AND I WALKED THEIR FACILITIES.
THEY REALLY DO HELP OUT WITH THE WHOLE ENTIRE FAMILY OF ALL AGES.
UM, THEY HAVE SOMETHING POSTED ON, ON THEIR POSTER.
IT'S HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, IT'S TOYS AND WHATNOT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING REALLY SPECIFIC, I DON'T THINK.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO SAY? ANY LAST WORDS OR THOUGHTS? I, I, I JUST, I'M THINKING IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, IT WAS BEFORE I GOT ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY USED TO TAKE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USED TO TAKE DONATIONS OF USE TOYS AND THEN REFURBISH THEM AND THEN GIVE THEM OUT AT CHRISTMAS, UM, BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES.
AND IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A TEAM BUILDING THING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY, UM, TO, TO RECEIVE THESE TOYS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEN TURN 'EM AROUND AND GIVE 'EM BACK TO THE KIDS.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO, UM, THAT TAKES US THEN TO, UM, THE PART OF THE MEETING THAT, UH, SORT OF BELONGS, UH, TO, UH, TO YOU.
AND SO, UM, TO US, I SHOULD SAY.
[Mayor and City Council]
PIECE IS, UH, RECEIVING THE MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.I MOVE COUNSEL, RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND USE PLANNING ACT.
WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR, UM, BRADFORD, UH, CITY CLERK.
CAN YOU CONDUCT THE VOTE FOR US? DINGMAN? YES.
I'M GONNA PASS THIS, UH, TO, UM, MICHELLE, PASS IT DOWN.
LISA, YOU'LL HAVE SOME EXTRAS IF YOU'LL PASS IT TO CORIN.
CORIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY EXTRAS, PASS IT TO THE AUDIENCE, I GUESS.
NOW I NEED ONE MORE, I NEED TO FOLLOW ON THAT.
UM, SO DO WE HAVE ANY THAT'S OKAY.
I JUST, I, I PRINTED OFF SOMETHING THAT I MENTIONED, HAVE PEEK AT IT.
SO, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT COMING UP THAT I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO MISS, WE HAVE THREE MONTHS WORTH ON HERE.
UM, AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU MOSTLY BESIDES CALENDAR ITEMS THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, THE AGENDA, UH, HERE IT SAYS WE HAVE 14 ITEMS, SEVEN CONSENT, SEVEN REGULAR.
I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT NOW IT IS, UH, 12 ITEMS, SEVEN CONSENT, FIVE REGULAR, UH, TWO ITEMS HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO NEXT WEEK.
UH, SO IT STILL DOESN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATING.
I, IT MIGHT, I'M NOT SURE IT, UH, NO, I THINK MUNICIPAL SERVICES STILL HAS ITEMS ON HERE, SO, UM, AND THE HEARINGS, BOTH OF THE HEARINGS STAY, SO IT'S JUST TWO OTHER ITEMS ON THAT REGULAR AGENDA.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, UH, ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP? UM, ANY, ANY EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP? BMPO IS NOT GONNA BE HELD ON THE 18TH.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A DECEMBER FOR MEETING.
BUT WE DO HAVE THE INFRA, THE 13TH.
THE REDEVELOPMENT ON THE 19TH.
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UM, AND THANK YOU.I THINK I DO THAT AND I COMPLETELY FORGOT WHEN I WAS REDOING THIS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER CALENDAR CONCERNS? DOES EVERYONE HAVE A CALENDAR REQUEST FOR THE IDA MEETING ON THE 19TH? UM, THE 19TH? I KNOW.
I REMISS THE, I HAVE RDA IS ACTUALLY THE REDEVELOPMENT.
I JUST TRANSPOSE THEM IN MY MIND FOR A SECOND.
YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE THING.
IT USED TO BE THE IDAHO FALLS REGIONAL AIRPORT, RIGHT? UM, ID, EXCUSE ME, UM, OH, CRUD, UM, REDEVELOPMENT, RRDA WAS THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, WHICH WAS SOMETHING COMPLETELY, OR THE REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT ALLIANCE, SORRY.
AND SO THERE WAS NOTHING THAT, UH, THE RE THE IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY COULD BE, THAT DIDN'T CONFLICT WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
AND SO, UM, FORMER, UH, PLANNING, OR EXCUSE ME, FORMER CDS DIRECTOR, UH, RENEE MCGEE SUGGESTED THAT WE CALL IT THE IFR SMALL DA, UM, FOR REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S THERE.
AND I USE IT, BUT IT, THERE IS A BETTER ACRONYM THAT ISN'T, UM, RDA OR I, OR IFRA, LET ME KNOW.
I DON'T, I WOULDN'T MIND THAT ONE, BUT REEV JUST LET ME KNOW.
REEV, I MEAN, THAT BECOMES, ANYWAY, UH, SO LISA TAKE THAT ON WITH THAT BOARD, BUT THEIR NAME WAS, WAS, UH, CONFUSING.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
THERE'S NOTHING FROM THE 13TH COUNCIL WORK SESSION IS, AM I READING THAT RIGHT? IN TERMS OF, OH, NO.
SO WE HAVE A BREAK FROM THE 19TH THROUGH THE NINTH IN TERMS OF MEETINGS IN WHAT MONTH? DECEMBER TO JANUARY 9TH.
NO, SO WE HAVE A COUNCIL WORKS, UH, COUNCIL MEETING ON THE NINTH, 19TH DECEMBER.
SO FROM THE 19TH UNTIL THE 9TH OF JANUARY, THERE'S, WE'RE REALLY OPEN.
UM, AND THAT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT MONDAY, SOME OF US ARE IN BOISE.
AND THEN, UM, THAT THEN TAKES US TO, UM, I JUMPED IT ANYWAY.
I, I WENT TO THE CALENDAR FIRST.
UH, LET ME, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, I, I HAD SENT TO YOU, UM, SOME OF THE MATERIALS OR, OR THE CONTENT OF, UM, OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AS WE'RE TRYING TO, OH, I'LL JUST PASS THIS OFF AS WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS, UH, FINALLY PUT OUT, UM, ON, UH, OUT FOR PUBLIC, UH, USE AND, AND WITH THE PLAN LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF, UH, IF I GET A GENERAL THUMBS UP FROM YOU TODAY.
UM, AND SO I'M GONNA ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO GO AHEAD AND PULL UP, UH, THE SCREEN THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS FOR RIGHT NOW, AND THEN I'LL DIRECT YOU TO CLICK SOME THINGS AT SOME POINT.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, AND MARGARET, IF YOU WANNA COME FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
'CAUSE I MIGHT NEED SOME BAILING OUT HERE.
BUT, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A, UH, GRAPHIC DESIGNER TO TRY TO HELP US GET THIS PUT OUT SO THAT IT CAN BE USED BY THE PUBLIC.
AND SO, UM, THERE ARE TECHNICAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRAINTS ON OUR OWN WEBSITE.
UH, THERE ARE, UH, PIXEL ISSUES AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE SIDES AND HOW MUCH SPACE, UH, CAN BE USED, UM, ON, ON A PARTICULAR WEBPAGE DEPENDING ON WHO'S SPONSORING THE WEBPAGE AND ALL OF THIS KIND OF THING.
AND SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT TRICKY.
YOU CAN'T JUST ORDER UP SOMETHING THAT YOU ENVISION AND EXPECT THAT IT CAN HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN IS THAT WHEN YOU CLICK ON STRATEGIC PLANNING, AND I'M NOT POSITIVE IF THAT'S GONNA CONNECT THROUGH, IT MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE IT CONNECTS ON OUR WEBSITE, IT MIGHT COME THROUGH, UH, A LINK ON THE COUNCIL PAGE AS WELL AS THE MAYOR'S PAGE, AS WELL AS THE, THE HEAD PAGE FOR ALL I KNOW.
BUT, UM, WHEN YOU CLICK ON IT, YOU WILL GET TO THEM THIS COLORFUL TRIANGLE.
UM, WHAT'S PRINTED HERE AND WHAT'S THERE, UM, ALREADY LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF COLOR.
UM, THE BRIGHTNESS AND THE READABILITY IS DIFFERENT.
UH, IN MY OPINION, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS A LITTLE MORE READABLE, BIGGER LETTERING.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE A YOUNG PERSON WITH GOOD EYES WHO DOESN'T REALIZE THAT CONTRAST IS A BIG DEAL AND SIZE IS A BIG DEAL WHEN YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OLDER.
BUT ANYHOW, THIS IS THE VERY FIRST PAGE WHEN YOU CLICK ON STRATEGIC PLAN THAT YOU'LL SEE.
IT WILL NOT SAY CLICK TO EXPAND.
UM, THIS IS JUST A GUIDELINE THAT'LL PROBABLY SAY IDAHO FALLS STRATEGIC PLAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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CLICK ON IT AND, UH, WE, WE FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY IS GONNA GET TO THIS PAGE AND THEIR, AT SOME POINT THEIR CURSOR WILL HOVER, AND WHEN THEY CLICK ON IT, IF YOU'LL, IF, UM, YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.SO, UH, YOU'LL GET TO THIS NEXT PAGE, IT OPENS IT RIGHT UP, AND THEN IT STARTS TO LOOK A LITTLE MORE FAMILIAR TO YOU BECAUSE IT RESEMBLES, UM, WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS STARTED WITH SOUTHWEST POWER POOL, THAT THEN BECAME SOMETHING THAT IDAHO FALLS POWER WAS ADOPTING.
UM, AND WE'RE STILL PLAYING WITH, UH, AGAIN, HOW, HOW THIS IS ULTIMATELY GONNA LOOK.
UM, YOU SEE, MISSION AND VISION ARE A LITTLE LARGER, BUT ENABLING CAPACITIES ISN'T LARGER.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT STACKED SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE LETTERS BIGGER.
BUT ANYWAY, WE GET TO THIS, UM, YOU SEE THERE'S A BIT OF A CONTRAST BETWEEN THE COLOR ON THE RIGHT AND THEN THE ON THE LEFT, UH, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER WHERE THERE'S WRITING, BUT IT'S STILL NOT PERFECTLY READABLE.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON READABILITY, RIGHT? BUT THIS WOULD BE THEN THE NEXT THING THAT YOU HIT.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GO SOMEWHERE.
UM, WHEN YOU, UH, TAKE A CURSOR, IF YOU CAN JUST TAKE IT OVER SOME OF THE LITTLE SMALL TRIANGLES, IF YOU'LL LOOK, WHEN SHE MOVES THE TRIANGLE, YOU SEE HOW IT SLIGHTLY MAKES A LITTLE MOVE THERE.
WE, UH, THE BUTTONS AREN'T POPPING OUT, THEY'RE JUST SORT OF, THE LETTERS ARE SORT OF WIGGLING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE THE BUTTONS POP OUT OR IF, AND IF THIS IS JUST AN INTERIM OR IF IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE LITTLE WIGGLE.
BUT, UM, THE IDEA IS TO, UH, AS YOU RUN THE CURSOR OVER ONE OF THE TRIANGLES, IT, IT INVITES YOU TO CLICK ON IT.
NOW, RIGHT NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, IT'S NOT LIVE.
IT'S NOT CLICKABLE AND CONNECTABLE.
SO THAT'S STILL BEING WORKED ON.
UM, WE, WE CAN'T GO DIRECTLY TO SOMETHING, BUT IF YOU WERE TO CLICK ON, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE CITY VALUES, THE GREEN, THE GREEN BAR, RIGHT? UM, THEN IT WOULD GET TO WHERE CORIN WAS GOING, UM, WITH ACCOUNTABLE PUBLIC SERVICE, RIGHT? THAT IS ONE OF OUR VALUES.
UM, HE JUST HAS IT LISTED RIGHT HERE AS SERVICE ON THIS, THIS PAGE HERE, HE'S GONE TO ONE WORD.
I THINK WE NEED SOME MORE WORDS.
AND IF WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE WORD, IT SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABILITY, NOT SERVICE PERHAPS.
BUT, UM, ANYHOW, IT WOULD OPEN UP AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE, OH, OKAY, THIS BELONGS TO THE GREEN LINE OF, OF, UH, CITY VALUES.
AND THEN THIS IS WHAT THE VALUE IS.
AND THIS IS THEN THE LANGUAGE THAT I HAD SENT TO YOU TO REVIEW LAST WEEK.
UM, IF YOU, UH, SO I THINK IF, IF PERIN WERE TO CONTINUE CLICKING ON THE BAR, YEAH, THAT MIDDLE RIGHT BUTTON, IT'LL JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH ALL OF 'EM.
UM, OKAY, SORRY, YOU ONLY DID A COUPLE.
NOW WE GET TO, UH, THE NEXT LINE, RIGHT? TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PAGE HERE.
UH, THE NEXT LINE IS, IS THE YELLOW.
AND SO YOU SEE HERE, ASPIRATIONS HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TO-DO LIST ITEMS UNDERNEATH.
SO IF YOU CLICK ON EXPAND RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE BLACK LETTERING, I THINK IT SAYS CLICKS OR EXPAND.
IF YOU CLICK ON THAT, IT SAYS VIEW DETAILS.
RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE BLACK, WE ABOVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRIANGLE IN THE MIDDLE.
IF YOU CLICK ON THAT, THEN IT WILL TAKE YOU TO THAT WHOLE TODO LIST.
UM, I THINK THAT PAGE SHOULD BE WHITE WITH JUST YELLOW ACCENT RATHER THAN BRIGHT YELLOW.
LOOKS LIKE A POST-IT NOTE THERE.
BUT, UM, ANYHOW, UM, THAT, THAT IS THEN THE MASTER LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT FIT UNDER THAT.
UM, AND SO, UM, I GUESS THERE'S A, IF YOU CLICK THE X, IT'LL TAKE YOU BACK TO WHERE WE JUST LEFT AND THEN GO AHEAD AND KEEP GOING.
AND HE, IT RUNS US THROUGH SEVERAL OF THOSE ASPIRATIONAL LINES AND THERE ARE FIVE OF THOSE.
AND SO ONCE WE GET TO TO THAT, THEN THE NEXT LEVEL IS STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITIES.
WE GET TO SOME STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITIES AND THEN YOU START SEEING THE DEPARTMENTS LISTED.
SO IF YOU ARE AT THAT MASTER PAGE, THIS ONE, AND YOU HOVER OVER CITY ATTORNEY AND YOU CLICK IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO THAT.
AND THEN THAT GIVES YOU THE CITY ATTORNEY'S MISSION STATEMENT, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A CLICK TO EXPAND AND THEN YOU WOULD GET A FULL ON WHIS AWAY LINK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S PAGE AND THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN, WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT WON'T BE, WE WON'T REQUIRE THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S STRATEGIC PLANS FIT INTO THE TRIANGLE MODE.
THEY'RE GOING TO JUST HAVE THEIR OWN STRATEGIC PLANS.
SO THIS, THIS IS THE JUMPING OFF POINT TO THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I GUESS IF YOU KEEP CLICKING, WE'LL GET A COUPLE MORE, UM, DEPARTMENTS, JUST THE SMATTERING OF THEM.
AIRPORT ATTORNEY, UH, CDS, UH, HE PUT A FEW IN THERE.
AND AGAIN, THE COLORING READABILITY STILL NEED LEAKING, BUT OKAY.
YOU MAYBE YOU CAN PUT 'EM ALL IN LIBRARY.
WE ARE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH 'EM ALL.
POLICE TWO MORE POWER FIBER PUBLIC WORKS.
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PUBLIC WORKS.UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS RED AND IT'S NOT AN ENABLING CAPACITY, SO THERE'S A ERROR HERE.
IS THERE, THERE ISN'T ONE MORE.
SO IF IT, IF PUBLIC WORKS, WERE NOT THERE, BUT INSTEAD IT SAID ONE OF THESE, UM, THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY OR SAFE AND SECURE WORKPLACE OR, YOU KNOW, UH, A COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION OR VISIONARY LEADERS, THOSE ARE OUR ENABLING CAPACITIES.
SO, UM, AND THEN A DEFINITION WOULD BE IN THAT TRIANGLE.
SO IT'S JUST MEANT TO, TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO PLAY WITH IT A LITTLE BIT.
HOVER, CLICK, GET THE GIST OF IT.
UM, I THINK ONCE THAT MASTER PAGE, AGAIN, THIS ONE IS ALL WAKED UP, IT WILL BE FUN AND CLICKABLE, AND ONCE IT'S READABLE, IT WILL BE FAIRLY ENJOYABLE.
UM, SO THE TRICK WILL BE, UM, LINKING ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT'S STRATEGIC PLANS.
I'LL TELL YOU NOW THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS ONE, BUT I IMAGINE THAT MOST OF THEM WILL, ONCE THIS GOES LIVE AND THEY START SAYING, HMM, WE'RE THE ONLY DEPARTMENT, OR WE'RE ONLY ONE OF THREE THAT DOESN'T HAVE OUR PLAN TOGETHER YET, MOST OF 'EM WILL GET THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S SORT OF THE GIST OF IT.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SUPER USER FRIENDLY.
UM, ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN ELEMENT, UH, MARGARET, THAT YOU WANNA HIT ON? NO, I THINK YOU HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE, THE CHALLENGES.
JUST THE, THE ONLINE PLATFORM IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN, UM, HAVING A BIG POSTER ON A, ON A, ON A WALL.
SO LOOKING AT SORT OF POINT SIZE AND, UM, FONT, SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS OR SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH.
AND THEN THERE'S JUST LIMITATIONS AS FAR AS HOW WIDE IT CAN BE AND HOW DEEP IT CAN BE WHEN IT'S ON, UM, ONLINE LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST SORT OF WORKING THROUGH THAT TO MAKE IT AS INTERACTIVE AS WE CAN, UM, WHILE STILL ADDRESSING THOSE OTHER CHALLENGES AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS, UM, READABLE.
UM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE, UM, THOSE ISSUES.
SO OUR OH, DESIGNER ALSO, UH, AND THIS IS WHERE I NEED YOUR HELP FOR SURE, UM, HAS, IS ALSO WANTING US TO, UH, REALIZE OR RECOGNIZE THAT MANY PEOPLE ULTIMATELY ARE GONNA TRY TO ACCESS ON THEIR PHONE.
AND WHAT WE'RE MAKING HERE ISN'T TERRIBLY PHONE ACCESSIBLE.
AND WHAT WE SAID WAS, FOR THE MOST PART, THE PRIMARY USERS FOR THE FIRST WHILE ARE GONNA BE CITY FOLKS.
THE CHANCES ARE CITY ADMIN THAT ARE GONNA BE USING, UH, THIS ON THEIR COMPUTERS, BUT AT, AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE PUBLIC AND THEY MAY BE WANTING TO LOOK AT IT HERE.
AND SO WE WERE THINKING OF THIS AS DEVELOPING SOMETHING THAT'S MOBILE PHONE FRIENDLY, AND MAYBE IPAD FRIENDLY WOULD NEED TO BE A PHASE TWO OF OUR EFFORT.
UM, WE, WHEN WE MET WITH THE DESIGNER TO KIND OF, WE WORKED SOME THINGS, WE HAD THIS, UM, LOOKING VERY, VERY DIFFERENT AND IT WAS MORE, UM, USABLE ON A MOBILE DEVICE LIKE A PHONE.
BUT, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND LAYERS AT ONE GLOS, IT REALLY WORKS BETTER FOR, UM, A DESKTOP.
LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE TWO OR THREE SCREENS, UM, NOW.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED FOR.
BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE ON, ON OTHER DEVICES AND, AND, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO MOVE INTO SORT OF A, A PHASE TWO AND WHAT PIECES, UM, CAN MOVE EASILY FROM ONE DEVICE TO ANOTHER.
AND THEN WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT PARTS ARE WE GONNA NEED TO COMPROMISE ON IN ORDER TO MAKE IT READABLE ON A, ON A PHONE? BECAUSE AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, WHEN THE WHOLE THING IS DISPLAYED, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS DIFFICULT TO, TO READ THE MISSION AND, AND VALUES JUST WITH THE, WITH THE POINT SIZE.
UM, AND EVEN THOUGH THE DESIGNER I DO THINK HAS YOUNGER EYES THAN CERTAINLY MINE, UM, IT, IT, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS, IS FIXED.
YOU'VE SORT OF JUST GOT THESE CONSTRAINTS VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTALLY.
SO WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
SO CITY CLERK, CAN YOU, UH, GO AHEAD AND CLICK THE BACK BUTTON AT THE TOP OF THE TRIANGLE, AND THAT'S AT THE TOP OF THE TRIANGLE.
THERE'S A BUTTON THAT SAYS BACK END THAT TAKES US THERE.
THIS IS THE PAGE THAT IT IS CAUSING FITS FOR READABILITY ON THE MOBILE PHONE AS WELL AS EVEN JUST ON THE, UH, ON THIS GIGANTIC STREET SCREEN.
AND SO THAT'S, UM, I KEEP THINKING, WELL, LET'S FILL UP THE TRIANGLE WITH THE WORDS RATHER THAN HAVING TINY WORDS.
WE'LL GET THERE TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S THE BEST COMPROMISE BETWEEN AS BIG AS WE CAN GET IT AND, UH, SOME OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE'RE CREATING.
UM, SO WHAT I NEED I GUESS NOW IS ANY FEEDBACK ON THE FORMATTING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE GIVEN THAT WE'RE STILL IN PROCESS? AND THEN B, ANY CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE LANGUAGE, WHICH, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT WHERE, WHERE IT CAME FROM AND ALL OF THAT.
I DID NOTICE THAT IN ONE OF THE ENABLING CAPACITIES, WE USE THE WORD VIBRANT TWICE IN THE SAME SENTENCE, SO I'VE GOTTA FIX THAT ONE.
UH, BUT BEYOND THAT, UM, ANY, ANY COMMENTS? LET'S, LET'S START WITH COMMENTS ON THE FORMATTING.
SO THE FORMAT, I WOULD JUST SAY, IF WE GO BACK TO THE, TO
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THIS, IT'S NOT THAT BAD IF YOU JUST OUTLINED THE TRIANGLES AND KEPT THE METAL WHITE AND USED THE PURPLE VERION BEING THE PURPLE BEING MISSION, SO THAT THE, RIGHT NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE AN LGQ FLAG, BUT IF YOU JUST OUTLINE THE COLORS, LIKE ENABLING CAP CAPACITIES WOULD BE WHITE IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE RED, ENABLING CAPACITY WITH AN OUTLINE OF RED SO THAT THE INSIDE IS HOLLOW WITH COLOR, SO THAT YOU'RE WHITE WITH COLORS INSIDE.'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS FEELS LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A FLAG.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER PIECE ON THE MISSION AND VISION IS, UM, I JUST THINK OUR MISSION AND VISION ARE WAY TOO LONG, BUT LIKE THE CITY OF BIBLE FALLS, STRIVES PROVIDE OUTSIDE QUALITY LIFE TO ALL MEMBERS AND MODEL ORGANIZATION COMES TO SOME LEADERSHIP.
THE MODERN MISSION STATEMENT WOULD SAY THE CITY OF RED FALLS PROVIDES OUTSTANDING QUALITY OF LIFE WITH AN EMPHASIS ON LEADERSHIP, PLANNING, PARTNERSHIP, AND COMMUNITY.
LIKE MISSION STATEMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE SENTENCE, EIGHT TO 10 WORDS, NOT, NOT, UH, SO WELL, I MEAN, ALSO JUST START WITH THE VERB PROVIDES LIKE, SO, UM, IF WE WANT TO EDIT THAT, I THINK THAT EDITING CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME, BUT WE PROBABLY DO NEED TO PICK A, UM, UH, DECIDE IF WE NEED, IF WE WANT THAT EDITED BEFORE WE GO LIVE.
LET ME JUST TELL YOU REALLY QUICKLY ABOUT THE, THE TIMING.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT TODAY I'LL GET SOME KIND OF A, A DIRECTION GOING FORWARD.
UM, AND THAT WILL BE HEATED WHEN I PRESENT THIS TO CITY STAFF LEADERS ON WEDNESDAY.
THEN IT GOES INTO FULL PRODUCTION MODE SO THAT IT CAN BE READY TO GO LIVE TO THE PUBLIC ON JANUARY 15TH WHEN WE HAVE THE STATE OF THE CITY, BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO SHARE THIS AT THE STATE OF THE CITY.
SO IF, IF THERE ARE, UH, EDITS TO BE MADE, THAT'S, UH, IT SHOULD HAPPEN WHILE WE'RE IN THIS PRODUCTION MODE OVER THE NEXT MONTH.
UNDER ENABLING CAPACITIES, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO NARROW IT TO ONE WORD, IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF 'EM ARE NOUNS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO VISIONARY YEP.
THAT SHOULD JUST BE VISION, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S VISIONARY LEADERSHIP, SO MAYBE WE CAN KEEP THE WORD LEADERSHIP FOR THE NOUN.
WE CAN'T GET BOTH WORDS IN AND THEN UNDER COST, THAT DOESN'T MEANS NOTHING RING TO ME.
YEAH, I WOULD PUT, WHAT DO WE PUT BUDGET, FINANCE? I MEAN, ENABLING CAPACITY IS, WE HAVE A CAREFULLY CRAFTED BUDGET AND I THINK COST DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING.
AND I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BE ONCE WE ADDRESS SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES, IS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW WE CAN, UM, MAKE THOSE RETURN TO SORT OF THE TWO WORD OR THREE WORD FORMAT.
IF WE CAN'T, THEN I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GO BACK AND REEXAMINE THE, THE WORDS THAT HAVE BEEN SELECTED.
BUT I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN, UM, TRANSITION THOSE BACK TO AT LEAST TWO, TWO WORDS.
AND TO BE HONEST, IN MODERN DATA PRESENTATION, YOU'D PROBABLY GET A DOLLAR SIGN, NOT COST.
YOU'D PROBABLY NOT USE WORDS AT ALL.
WELL, AND IN FACT, WE DO HAVE SOME ICONS THAT ARE SHOWING THAT HERE AND THERE THAT WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE THEIR WAY ONTO OUR AGENDA FORMAT, UM, WHICH RIGHT NOW USES ICONS FOR FROM A DIFFERENT SET OF CITY VALUES.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE WORDS UNDER ENABLING CAPACITIES, UH, DEPENDING ON WHETHER WE'RE GONNA HAVE A ONE OR TWO WORD CAPABILITY THERE.
I KNOW IT THROWS IT OFF, BUT MAYOR, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE'RE MISSION, YOU HAVE THAT HUGE PURPOSE SPACE? MM-HMM
YOU PUT THE TEXT THERE AND JUST WRITE MISSION IN A TRIANGLE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, I MEAN, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A LOT MORE SPACE FOR OH, FOR TEXT.
LIKE PUT THE VISION IN THE, IT'S NOT A TRIANGLE.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAD I, I SAID NOTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE MAY HAVE, AND I JUST HAVE TO, WE HAD ALSO DISCUSSED, UM, ELIMINATING THE, UM, THAT THE LINE ON THE TRIANGLE AND JUST HAVING THE TEXT KIND OF MOVE A A ACROSS WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO MAKE BETTER USE OF THAT SPACE AND WOULD ALLOW US TO INCREASE THE, THE FONT, UM, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT MORE READABLE.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE KIND OF, UM, RUSTING WITH.
UM, IT'S JUST THAT COMPROMISE BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THOSE, THOSE PIECES CAN WE, UM, LOSE AND STILL KEEP THAT TRIANGLE IMAGERY.
UM, AND, AND WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO, TO, TO, TO TRADE? I THINK READABILITY IS CRITICAL, SO THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS WE'RE WILLING TO SACRIFICE THERE.
UM, IN OTHER PLACES WE MAY NOT, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND I'LL SAY ONE MORE THING, AND I'VE BEEN A BIG ADVOCATE FOR THIS FORMAT, BECAUSE YOU CAN READ IT EITHER WAY, LIKE THE FOUNDATION OF IT, ALL OF THESE ENABLING CAPACITIES,
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IT BUILDS UP, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT BUILDS DOWN.WE HAVE A MISSION, WE HAVE A VISION, AND SO YOU CAN INTER, THE READER CAN INTERACT GOING UP AND DOWN, AND IT'S SO POWERFUL.
I'M SO GLAD THAT I HAVE POWER TO FOUND THIS.
AND IT, IT MAKES A LOT, IT MAKES A STRATEGIC PLAN ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT ENGAGING, WHICH THEY OFTEN ARE NOT.
WELL, AND I ALSO, UM, AND TO ME, THIS HARKENS BACK TO MASLOW'S HIERARCHY IN THE SENSE THAT YOU DON'T ACHIEVE THAT HIGH, THAT HIGHEST PINNACLE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BASICS BEING MET FIRST.
AND I, I SEE THE ENABLING CAPACITIES AS PRIMARILY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNCIL TO PROVIDE THOSE, TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THOSE AND TO PROVIDE DIRECTION AND SUPPORT FOR HAVING ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN PLACE.
BUT ONCE YOU HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS IN PLACE, THERE IS NO REASON WHY STAFF CAN'T PERFORM.
AND THAT'S WHY THEN YOU SEE THE DEPARTMENTS COMING RIGHT IN NEXT AND, AND THEIR PROFESSIONAL NORMS AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE START TO THEN BEING ABLE TO ASPIRE TO ALL OF THOSE COOL POLICY GOALS THAT ARE LISTED OUT IN THE ASPIRATIONS.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST A REALLY GREAT ASCENSION, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, JIM, UM, SO I I, I ALSO LIKE THIS FORMATTING OF THE TRIANGLE.
I JUST DON'T WANNA GET SO CARRIED AWAY WITH IT THAT WE LOSE, AS MARGARET SAID, READABILITY.
SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THE COMPROMISE SUPER INTERESTING.
YEAH, AND I, I GO BACK TO THAT MASLOW'S HIERARCHY NEEDS AS WELL.
I, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FOOD TRIANGLE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE COLORS.
I THINK YOU CAN MAYBE DO LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A MONO DO GRAPES AND BANANAS.
AND YOU COULD DO, YEAH, YOU COULD, YOU COULD TAKE OUR CITY BLUE AND MAYBE START THERE AND THEN YOU COULD DO LIKE A WHOLE BLUE TONE THING, GET RID OF THE WHOLE RAINBOW THING.
SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LESS LIKE THE FOOD CHART.
WE DID START, WE DID HAVE THAT.
UM, BUT THE COLOR BLUE THAT WAS CHOSEN WAS SUCH A CONFEDERATE GRAY THAT IT, IT WAS DREARY TO ME.
AND THEN, SO THEN WE, UH, UM, MOVED TO COLOR BECAUSE THE SOUTHWEST POWERFUL WAS COLOR AND I MOTIVATED BY COLOR.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT WOULD BE CALLED MY FAULT.
UM, MAYBE A MIX OF, UH, SYNDICATION COMPROMISE.
WELL, LISTEN, IF WE LEARN ANYTHING FROM OUR WORK, UH, AS, AS THE POWER BOARD, WE COULD LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE WORDS ALL DAY LONG.
SO I DON'T HAVE A TON OF SPECIFIC FEEDBACK OTHER THAN THAT.
OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE ALL AGREE THE MISSION DIVISION ARE NOT TERRIBLY GRADEABLE, SO WE NEED TO FIX THAT.
BUT OTHERWISE, I DO LIKE THAT IT IS AN ENGAGING DESIGN AND I DON'T MIND THAT IT'S RAINBOW COLOR.
I DO THINK THAT DOES MAKE IT JUST, IT SEEMS INSPIRED BY A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
WELL, AND MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO PICK A COLOR PALETTE THAT IS MUTED OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN ONE THAT'S ALREADY WELL KNOWN, BECAUSE ON THIS SCREEN IT LOOKS, UM, BRIGHTER LIKE THE FOOD TRIANGLE OR THE FOOD, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
THIS ONE ONE'S A LITTLE MORE DUAL TONE, DARKER.
SO YOU NEED TO FIND THAT COLOR PALETTE, THAT PART OF, AND IT'S, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING, UM, AND PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I, BUT THE WHAT SORT OF PRINTS OUT WITH YOUR PAPER IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN I SHOW THEM ON THIS SCREEN VERSUS ON MY LAPTOP VERSUS ON JUST HOW EVERYTHING IS CALIBRATED.
SO I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY SORT OF FIND THAT SUITE OF COLORS, BUT UM, IT'S NEVER GOING TO REPRODUCE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AND IN DIFFERENT, UM, FORMATS ON, I THINK YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA USE IT THE MOST.
IS IT MOSTLY GONNA BE ON A COMPUTER COMPUTER SCREEN? BECAUSE IF IT IS THAT, THEN YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON A COMPUTER SCREEN.
NOW YOU DO HAVE ALL SORTS OF MY MONITORS AT THIS LEVEL OF YOUR MONITORS AT THAT.
I MEAN, NOTHING'S GONNA BE PERFECT, BUT, BUT I WOULD AGREE, IF YOU'RE NOT PRINTING THIS OUT A TON, I WOULDN'T WORRY QUITE AS MUCH ABOUT THAT.
UM, OTHER THOUGHTS ON FORMATTING? I THINK THE TERM INCLUSION IS THE RIGHT THING, AND I WOULD GET AWAY COMPLETELY FROM DEI, IT'S JUST A LOADED TERM RIGHT NOW IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
AND I THINK INCLUSION SPEAKS TO THE SAME THING AS DIVERSITY AND EQUITY.
AND YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT WHEN YOU LINK INTO IT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DID HERE ANYWAY IN ENABLING INCLUSION.
INCLUSION IS THE WORD, BUT WHEN YOU DO IT, I'M JUST THINKING DEI RIGHT NOW IS A TOUGH THING FOR US TO DEFEND.
UM, IT'S NOT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
I'LL SAY THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE AIRPORT, UM, POWER BOARD, UM, TO THE AIRPORT, THE IDA BOARD MEETING, UM, ABOUT A YEAR-ISH AGO, UM, THERE WAS, UM, I NO, HOW LONG ARE WE YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
ANYWAY, IT WAS IN 2022, I BELIEVE.
UM, THERE WAS A, A LOT OF BUY-IN AND THERE WAS NO COUNCIL CONCERN EXPRESSED ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY.
AND I TOOK FROM THAT, HEY, EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ONE WORD THAT ONE, IF THAT'S, UH, WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
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WHAT ABOUT PERS THE CONTEXT? SO DR FORMAT? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I LIKE THE BREVITY PART.I AGREE WITH JOHN, THAT DEI IS, UM, IN THAT QUESTION WITH AIRPORT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT WAS LIKE, THE QUESTION WAS, SHOULD THE AIRPORT BE THE LEADER IN DEI? AND THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE, WELL, FOR THE AIRPORT, BECAUSE THAT IS FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, PASSENGERS COMING OFF AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, THE OTHER ONE, WHICH IS CONTENT AS OPPOSED TO, UM, JUST FORMATTING IS ON ASPIRATIONS, THE SUSTAINABILITY.
AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WOULD GO BACK AND ADDRESS THOSE.
WHAT COMES UP IN THAT ONE IS ACTUALLY FINANCE INSTEAD OF IT'S.
SO I THINK THAT IF I LOOK AT THE WORD ASPIRATIONS, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE FINANCIAL ASPIRATIONS, WE HAVE GOVERNANCE ASPIRATIONS.
SO I LIKE, UM, THE CON, I'D LIKE A LITTLE MORE CONSISTENCY IN THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ONE IS UNDER HEALTHY COMMUNITY, BULLET THREE AND SEVEN ARE THE SAME.
LOOKING AT ASPIRATIONS, EXCEPT I THINK PROVIDE A WALKABLE IS IN BULLET SEVEN.
AND THEN IT REFERENCING ONE MORE FOR FOUR B.
YOU FOLLOW THAT? THOSE ARE THE SAME BULLETS.
SAME WITH FOUR IS ALMOST THE SAME AS, UM, UH, LONG TERM PUB.
WE CAN JUST ADD PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO FOUR AND GET RID OF SEVEN OR SIX, WHATEVER.
I THINK THERE'S A VERSION OF THIS THAT CONSOLIDATES THESE A BIT MORE.
THIS IS THE VERSION THAT WENT OUT TO EVERYBODY WHEN WE HAD OUR COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP, RIGHT? AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT A BUNCH OF DOCUMENTS, BUT SOMEWHERE I REMEMBER TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE THESE BECAUSE THIS WAS TO TRY TO SAY EVERYTHING THAT CAME FROM THE TWO DOCUMENTS, THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGET DOCUMENT AND THE ONE THAT WE DID IN 2020 WITH THE CONSULTANT.
I, I'LL SEE, I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH THIS AND ELIMINATING THE ONES THAT ARE DUPLICATES AND WE CAN LEAVE IT THIS WAY, BUT WE MAY BE ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS WRITTEN THAT'S CONSOLIDATED, BUT LET, LEMME LOOK.
ANYTHING ELSE ON CONTENT? I CAN SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK WE EITHER NEED TO SAY, CHANGE SOME WORDS OR WE NEED TO START OFFERING SOME MONEY, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I GET TOLD, JUST QUIT TALKING ABOUT ARTS AND PROVIDING DAYCARE SERVICES, ROBUST KINDERGARTEN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GIVEN ANY DAMN MONEY.
AND WE WENT FROM ALMOST 500,000 AND I STARTED GIVING TO NONPROFITS AND PARTNERS TO DO THIS KIND OF THING TO NOW OR DOWN TO 180,000.
SO WE EITHER SHOULD CHANGE, SAY WE, CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THAT'S LISTED ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY SUPPORTS A ROBUST KINDERGARTEN READINESS PERMIT.
WHAT IN THE HELL ARE WE DOING? TALK ABOUT THAT.
LIKE WHAT DOLLAR CAN YOU POINT ME TO? UM, APPROPRIATE ENCOURAGE FACILITIES OF WORKS FROM THE ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO HUMAN SERVICES.
THAT'S WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
THERE'S NO CITY MONEY COMING TO US VERY MUCH.
THIS CAME FROM STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT THE COUNCIL, UM, UH, WANT, UH, SPOKE TO AND WANTED BACK IN IN, UH, 2020 HOUSING NEEDS AND SOLUTIONS.
WE WON'T EVEN, WE, I I THINK SOME OF US HAVE THE SAME CRITICISM THEN NO, AT THAT TIME.
YEAH, I DON'T, WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE VERBIAGE AND SAY WE SUPPORT THESE THINGS, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING IT.
WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT PROVIDING THESE DOLLARS.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT ROLE SOMETIMES FOR GOVERNMENT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT IS THE RIGHT ROLE, BUT WE'RE TAKING WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT HERE OR TAKING ON TOO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY.
SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT CITY SUPPORTS OF WEST KINDERGARTEN, WE DON'T FINANCIALLY SUPPORT IT.
WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WORD WOULD YOU USE THERE? THE COURAGEOUS, I THINK THE CHALLENGE.
SO, SO BACK IN THE DAY WHEN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WAS GONNA PRESENT ONE OF THESE REPORTS, ONE OF THEM THAT CAME OUT, AND I THINK IT WAS THE SAME ONE, TALKED ABOUT HOW WE SUPPORTED FLUORIDE AND WATER, LIKE FLUORIDE IN SCHOOLS.
THERE WAS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT DIET SUGAR AND THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH, THERE IS, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THIS WAS IN THE CUSP REPORT AS WELL, THIS KINDERGARTEN
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND RIGHT, BUT AMERICAN FALLS PASSING, BUT HOW MANY, BUT I MEAN, ARE WE
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UP THERE? BUT THE REFERENCE HERE SAYS S SP 20, THAT MEANS THAT IT WAS FROM OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IN 2020.SO, UM, THAT THERE WAS AN OVERLAP BETWEEN COSTA AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN, PERHAPS SOME OF THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT GOAL.
AND AMERICAN FALLS PASSED A UPON, YOU KNOW, OF ONE OF THE 50 PLUS ONE BONDS AND THEY'RE SUPPORTING IT EVERY THREE YEARS.
THEY'RE, THEY BUILT A BUILDING AND THEY HAVE A KIND KINDERGARTEN READINESS PROGRAM THAT'S RUNNING BY THEIR CITY.
BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT.
AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
SO I WOULD EITHER GET RID OF IT OR SAY WE SUPPORT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THESE EFFORTS OR, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT'S THE, WE CAN'T, UH, TAKE TIME NOW TO WORDSMITH BY COMMITTEE.
UM, I'M WONDERING JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME ELEMENT INVOLVED IN THAT.
UM, BUT IF WE HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD TO DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO HAVE YOU POUR THROUGH AND, AND FIND THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REWRITE AND, UH, SEND ME YOUR NEW LANGUAGE OR YOUR OPTIONS AND THE COUNSELOR, FRANCIS, I WOULD ASK YOU TO HELP ME TO, TO, YOU KNOW, FINESSE THOSE SUGGESTIONS.
OR IS THERE ANOTHER WAY YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED? I WANT TO FACILITATE YOUR, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK THAT, 'CAUSE I, I DO THINK THESE, NOT THE FIRST TIME HIS COMMENTS BEEN MADE, I WILL SAY THAT CORRECTLY.
I THINK IT'S THE FIRST I'VE EVER HEARD YOU SAY THAT
UM, BUT IT'S LIKE, I, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO PROMOTE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, OUR LEVEL OF SUPPORT OF SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, WHETHER WE'RE BUDGETING, THEN WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT MEETS THAT CRITERIA.
BECAUSE HOW FAR DO WE GO? I MEAN, I HEARD WE PUT FIVE PARAGRAPHS ABOUT CONTINUING EDUCATION AND ABOUT TECHNICAL SCHOOLS.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT
I JUST WISH THAT I HAD NOT BEEN OBLIVIOUS TO THAT.
I WAS SO SURE THAT WE, THESE WERE LOCKED DOWN.
AND I, I JUST READ SUPPORTS DIFFERENTLY.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE A CHILDCARE ORDINANCE AND THAT WE DO LICENSE SET OF, AT A STRICT, ONE OF THE MODELS FOR THE STATE LEVEL THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING, UH, CHILDCARE, WHICH WOULD BE KINDERGARTEN READINESS.
AND SO THEN WHAT KIND THAT'S, WE ARE NOW WHAT KIND OF CHILDCARE YOU GOT THERE, FRANCIS? YEAH, THERE'S CHILDCARE AND THEN THERE'S EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION.
I MEAN, AND I SAT IN A MEETING WITH 12 GROUPS THAT SAID ARE SUPER ANNOYED AT HER.
SO THEY WOULD SAY EXACTLY OPPOSITE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE'VE MADE IT HARDER.
SUPPORT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE MAKING IT EASIER.
IT MEANS YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE THE QUALITY AND IT'S SOMETHING WE PAY ATTENTION TO.
SO I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY WE HAVE TO SAY WE'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH THAT AT ALL.
WE, WE ARE, I, YOU COULD USE A DIFFERENT WORD WE GIVE, UM, DO WE GIVE COMMUNITY BLOCK AROUND MONEY TO THE CEI FOR THEIR CHILDCARE A RECENT YEAR? I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THINK WE DID.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT THERE.
IF THEY'RE ONLY DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT ISN'T, IT ISN'T.
AND IF, IF YOU, YOU SAY THAT OUR CHILDCARE ORDINANCE IS WRONG, THEN THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T SUPPORT CHILDCARE.
I I DON'T DISAGREE COMPLETELY WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE WORDS.
WHAT I'M JUST SAYING IS I, WHEN I GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND I GO MEET WITH PEOPLE FROM CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE LIKE, TELL THE CITY TO START SAYING THEY SUPPORT US WHEN THEY DON'T GIVE US ANYTHING.
AND THEY TOOK AWAY OUR, WE USED TO GET ELECTRICITY, WE USED TO GET THIS, WE, YOU KNOW, JUST, AND NOW WE HEAR HOW MUCH YOU, HOW MUCH WE LOVE IT, BUT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING ON A FINANCIAL LEVEL.
I JUST THINK ASPIRATIONAL, FULLY AGREE WITH JUST WHERE DOES IT BEGIN AND END.
THAT'S ALL HOW WE COULD GO SO DEEP INTO THIS IF WE WANTED TO.
SO WHAT MAKES KINDERGARTEN READINESS SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT, WHY DOES THAT WRITE? SO IT SAYS IT CAME UP IN ANOTHER PLAN, RIGHT? SO THIS EXACTLY, IT CAME UP IN ANOTHER PLAN MIX.
IT WAS A STRATEGIC PLAN, THE, UH, CUSP EFFORT, WHICH WAS CITIZEN DRIVEN.
AND THEN IT WAS THE, UM, IMAGINE, IMAGINE I HAVE THOSE THREE, UH, THIS IS A SMASH UP OF ALL, ALL OF THOSE WHERE THERE WAS, UM, THREE-WAY OR TWO-WAY ALIGNMENT THAT WAS REALLY STRONG, WHICH WAS NOT A SMALL EFFORT.
YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT BIG, THERE'S A LOT HERE.
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AND A LOT OF GOOD STUFF.I, I MEAN ALL OF THE STUFF NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
IT'S JUST WHAT'S OUR ROLE? SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE OVER COMMITS, UM, AND MAYBE, UH, MORE PEOPLE WOULD READ SUPPORT NOT AS MORAL SUPPORT, BUT AS FINANCIAL SUPPORT.
AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S READING AS FINANCIAL SUPPORT, BUT BUT WE'RE NOT THERE THEN UM, WE CAN LIKE, WE CAN REWORD IT.
SO WE COULD SAY THE CITY ENCOURAGES ROBUST KINDERGARTEN READINESS, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKPLACE, UH, CENTERED CHILDCARE AND EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION PERIOD.
UM, IT CAN BE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN TURN IT INTO A POLICY LATER OR YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DELAY.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO READ THAT WORK.
SOME OF THIS, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE CAN LIVE WITH THIS AS IT IS AND THEN LET'S WORK ON SEEING WHERE OUR ROLE IS AND WHERE IT ISN'T AND THEN WE CAN, IT'S ALL SOMETHING WE CAN FIX IF IT'S GONNA BE A DIGITAL FORMAT.
WELL, SO RIGHT NOW IF IT SAYS CITY ENCOURAGES A ROBUST, I'M, I MEAN SUPPORTS ARE ROBUST, I'M GONNA CHANGE IT TO ENCOURAGES ZEN.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION FOR THAT ONE? CONSIDER WHERE, IF WE CAN REWORD IT JUST A LITTLE.
UM, I WOULD AGREE NOW THAT I AM SAYING THIS THROUGH THE LENS THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS SAID THAT HE THOUGHT HE CONSOLIDATED SOME OF THEM.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME, LIKE THE CITY ENCOURAGES COLLABORATION WITH COUNTY AND NEARBY MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS, RIGHT? BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE CITY HAS RELATIONSHIPS WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND, AND I BET IF GOT IN THERE COULDN'T PUT, PUT THEM ALL UNDER ONE.
I I BET IF HE GOT IN THERE, HE, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW YOU COLLAPSED SOME THOSE.
I MEAN THIS IS EVERYTHING AND ALL THE ONES THAT ARE PRIORITY BASED HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE TOTALLY HAD A COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF 2020, BUT WE DID ALL GO THROUGH IT TOGETHER.
YEAH, NO, THIS IS, I THINK THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S COMING TO A CONSENSUS.
LET'S GET THIS OUT THE DOOR KIND OF CONVERSATION.
WELL THEN, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK I WAS HERE FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF 2020.
WAS THAT WHEN YOU DID LIKE IT WAS VI YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH.
WE FIRST INTRODUCED THE, THE DAY YOU WERE ON WHEN WE WERE AT CI AND YOU WERE ON OH, THAT WAS THE REMOTE.
THAT'S WHEN YOU DID THAT STRATEGIC PLAN BEEN ELECTED OR CHOSEN, BUT NOT ANYWAY.
NO, BUT THE PROCESS ITSELF HAPPENED IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY OF 20 20, 20 21.
BUT THE BIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS PDB WAS, I MEAN SOME OF THESE WORKS YOU CAN HEAR OUT OF, UM, SOME PAST COUNCIL MEMBERS.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WORDS COME OUT OF IT.
I MEAN THERE WAS, PBB WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, SHARON, UH, YEAH, Z DINGMAN AND BRADFORD WERE HERE FOR PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING.
BUT THAT CREATED THOSE GOVERNING, GOVERNING
THAT, UH, WHEN I SHARED THOSE WITH LISA, UH, WHEN SHE FIRST CAME OUT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING.
SHE SAID SOME OF THIS IS BETTER THAN THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND SO THAT'S THE CITY I WANNA LIVE IN.
WE, YEAH, WE DID UH, KIND OF EMBRACE SOME OF THAT DURING THAT CONVERSATION.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE SOME OF THOSE WORDS.
I JUST THINK THIS HAS TO BE ON OWN.
THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING THIS UNLESS YOU THINK THIS IS WHERE WE, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE.
YOU COMING? NO, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ASPIRATION.
THIS IS THE PLACE I WANT LIVE.
SO IN GENERAL, I THINK IT'S ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
AND I THINK IT'S AS IF WE'RE GONNA BE ASPIRATIONAL, IT'S FINE.
LET'S JUST USE THE RIGHT WORDS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR DOLLARS.
BECAUSE I FELT NOTHING ABOUT PUSHBACK WHEN I'VE TRIED TO GET THIS COUNCIL TO PUT MORE DOLLARS INTO SOCIAL SERVICES AND 'CAUSE IT'S THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT TAX DOLLARS NOT BEING USED FOR SOCIAL SERVICES WITH NONPROFITS AND US CHOOSING WHAT TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE DONE.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE WRITING ABOUT IT.
WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH ABOUT A TOPIC, YOU BETTER EITHER HAVE KNOWLEDGE INVOLVEMENT OR FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION.
BECAUSE WE COULD SAY ALL SORTS OF THINGS ABOUT ALL SORTS OF BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES AND THINGS WE WANT AND THINGS WE ASPIRE TO.
MY THING IS, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT AND YOU HAVE NONE OF THOSE THINGS, YOU RUIN YOUR CREDIBILITY.
YOU DON'T HAVE A STAFF PERSON.
WELL IT DILUTES THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, WELL HOW MUCH OF IT UP IN THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DREAM OF AND WE HAVE ZERO PLANS AND WE HAVE ZERO KNOWLEDGE AND WE HAVE ZERO INVOLVEMENT.
I FIND THAT JUST TO BE ODD, IF YOU WANT YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO ACTUALLY WORK FOR YOU AND YOU WANT PEOPLE TO PICK IT UP, LIKE YOU WANT DIRECTORS AND STAFF MEMBERS TO UTILIZE THIS BY SAYING, WE SUPPORT KINDERGARTEN READINESS.
I'M CURIOUS WHAT STAFF MEMBER IN THIS BUILDING THAT'S GONNA JUMP ON THAT, UNLESS COUNCIL IS GONNA MAKE A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT OR CREATE A NEW DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING.
WHAT'S THE POINT? 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT LOTS OF THINGS WE WANT TO SEE IN THE CITY, BUT WHEN YOU PUT IT IN YOUR SEED
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PLAN, YOU'RE SAYING, I'M INVOLVED.I'M GONNA BE A LEADER OR PARTICIPANT IN THIS OUTBREAK.
WELL, AND THIS IS WHERE WE HIT UP AGAINST SOME REALLY INTERESTING, UM, AREAS WHEN, WHERE WE HAD THE CUSTOM, UH, PROJECT.
WHICH WAS COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WERE IDENTIFYING WHAT THEY FELT LIKE, UM, WE NEEDED TO BE INVOLVED IN OR THE COMMUNITY NEEDED TO BE INVOLVED IN, UH, IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS THE KIND OF PLACE THAT WOULD ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO WORK TO MAKE THIS THE COMMUNITY OF CHOICE.
NOT CITY GOVERNMENTS OF CHOICE, BUT COMMUNITY OF CHOICE.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN SO WELL WITH CUS BECAUSE IT WAS ALL REMOTE, RIGHT? WE ROLLED THIS OUT FIVE MINUTES BEFORE COVID AND THAT REALLY PUT A DENT IN HOW THESE COMMITTEES WERE ABLE TO INTERACT.
BUT, UM, THEY, UH, WEREN'T ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE WITH A LOT OF CLARITY, WHICH OF OUR STATEMENTS AND OUR GOALS AND OUR SHOULD HAPPEN KIND OF STATEMENTS.
OUR CITY, WHICH ARE COMMUNITY, WHICH ARE PRIVATE SECTOR, WHICH ARE THE NON-PROFIT SECTOR.
AND, AND BECAUSE THAT SORTING DIDN'T QUITE HAPPEN, MOST OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE CUSD REPORT JUST SQUARELY DUMPS ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE CITY.
AND SO SOME OF THAT COMES THROUGH HERE.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE TO DECIDE, ARE THERE STATEMENTS HERE THAT YOU JUST FLAT OUT DON'T WANT TO SEE? OR DO WE PREFACE THOSE WITH TASK IN ORDER TO YEAH.
PARTNERS WITH BETWEEN OUR PARTNERS AND CUSTOMERS? YOU NOTICE THAT ALL BULLETED POINTS, NONE OF THAT COMES FROM CUS THE ONLY QUOTE THAT COMES FROM CUS ARE IS UNDER RELATIONSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS.
AND THAT ONE CAME BECAUSE IT SEEMED WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO THERE IS GIVE A STATEMENT DEFINING WHAT WE MEANT BY RELATIONSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS IN ONE SENTENCE.
AND THAT ONE FROM CUSS SEEMED TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE.
BUT ALL THE REST OF THESE COME FROM CITY, CITY ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I, I AGREE WITH MICHELLE.
IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE OPENING A, A CAN OF WORMS ON SOMETHING OR WE'RE WE'RE MENTIONING SOMETHING, WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS AND MAYBE WHAT WE CAN SAY ON, UH, KINDERGARTEN READINESS IS THAT WE VALUE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR INITIATIVES AND LEAVE IT THERE.
ALTHOUGH THAT SOUNDS PRETTY MUSHY TOO.
BUT WE'VE DEVELOPED A LIAISON WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT.
WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WELL, AND WE ALSO ARE INVOLVED IN SOME EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AND CHILDCARE INITIATIVES THAT THEY HAVEN'T COME TO COUNCIL YET, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS KINDERGARTEN READINESS.
SO, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD CHANGE.
SO MAYBE IF THERE'S THE CLARITY THERE.
I HAVE THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT, I'M SORRY.
UM, THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO, UM, TO GET THIS OUT THE DOOR, I DEFINITELY, UH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO EITHER CREATE A COMMITTEE OR I'M GONNA HAVE TO JUST GENERICALLY SAY IF IT DOESN'T COME THROUGH COUNCIL OR IF YOU DON'T HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING AND MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS, IT MAY NOT HAPPEN TIME WISE, REALITY WISE GIVEN WHAT'S, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OVER THE HOLIDAYS.
I JUST THINK WE, AND THEN CHANGE IT AS WE SEE PROBLEMS ARISE, WHAT WE'RE USING BECAUSE OF DIGITAL.
I, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I DON'T WANT MY THOUGHTS TO HAVE BLOWN THIS UP.
I'D RATHER US GO FORWARD, BUT WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT, IT'S OFFENSIVE IN SOME WAYS TO SOME, WELL, YOU KNOW HOW WE LIKE, LIKE WITH POWER, WE, WE TALK ABOUT THINGS, WE TAKE IT ABID AT A TIME, RIGHT? WE DON'T TRY TO DO THE WHOLE THING AT ONCE, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING POLICY BY POLICY BY POLICY MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE.
WE GET THIS DONE, GET IT OUT AND THEN, AND THEN WE SPEND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE BETWEEN EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS WE SPEND OR, OR I DON'T KNOW, ONCE A MONTH WE SPEND 30 MINUTES ON IT AND, AND WE WORDSMITH ONE, ONE LITTLE SECTION AND BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE'LL HAVE IT DONE.
THE THE OTHER THING I MIGHT, UM, RECOMMEND IS REALLY THE AREA OF ASPIRATIONS IS THE ONE WHERE THERE'S THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL, THE OTHER LAYERS, UM, WE CERTAINLY GOT SOME WORDSMITHING AND SOME WORK TO DO ON THE, THE DESIGN, BUT AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE, THE MEAT OF IT, I, I THINK THAT THAT WORK HAS LARGELY BEEN DONE.
SO MAYBE IT IS A MATTER OF COUNCIL REVIEWING THE MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED, THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED A LOT OF THE LATEST, BEST VERSION AND PERHAPS JUST HIGHLIGHTING THOSE, UM, ITEMS THAT WE DO NEED TO DO YOU FEEL WE NEED TO REVISIT AND, AND THEN WE CAN SORT OF LOOK AT WHERE THE CONSENSUS ARE.
THERE MAY BE SEVERAL IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT EVERYONE IS PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH.
AND THAT WAY WE WOULD HAVE A SENSE OF UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO DO THE WORK AND THEN WHETHER IT'S A COMMITTEE OR WHETHER WE SPEND A FEW MINUTES, UM, AT WORK SESSIONS, YOU
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KNOW, COMING UP.WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT AND WORK THROUGH THOSE DIFFERENT SECTIONS, BUT THAT MAY BE ONE WAY TO TO, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE MANAGEABLE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS WHAT I'LL SUGGEST, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, FIVE SECTIONS UNDER ASPIRATIONS AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S CAUSING A LITTLE BIT OF OF WORRY, RIGHT? UM, MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS, UM, WE ASSIGN FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ONE TO EACH SECTION TO JUST READ THAT THROUGH WITH THIS CONVERSATION IN MIND AND UM, REPORT BACK.
UH, AND THEN THE REPORT BACKS WILL GO TO COUNCILOR FRANCIS AND MYSELF.
SO THAT'S OUR SIXTH COUNCIL MEMBER BEING INVOLVED.
UM, AND THEN THE TWO OF US WILL RECONCILE AND, UM, UM, TRY TO GET THIS THEN READY TO GO FOR, UH, PUBLICATION IN JANUARY.
CHANCES ARE WE'LL NEED IT BY THE END OF THE YEAR SO THAT THE DESIGNER WILL HAVE TIME TO MAKE OUR EDITS.
SO COULD EVERYBODY TAKE ONE SECTION? SURE.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DIB A CERTAIN ONE? WE'VE GOT A HEALTHY COMMUNITY.
THAT'S THE, I THINK THE SLIGHTLY LONGER ONE, ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE AT LEAST ONE FEWER BULLETS THERE.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SUSTAINABLE LIVING RELATIONSHIP TO PARTNERSHIPS.
GOOD GOVERNANCE AND FINANCIAL STATES.
I'LL TAKE FINANCIAL WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.
WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THAT? WELL, TO BE HONEST, WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RELATIONSHIPS, THOSE TWO ALSO KIND TO PIQUE MY INTEREST, BUT I FIGURED I WAS KIND OF PIGEONHOLED ON
THAT'S WHERE THERE'S THE LEAST PROBLEM I THINK BECAUSE IT'S SO SPECIFIC TO THIS ONE.
WELL REPEAT THAT ONE FOR SURE, KURT.
AND THEN ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I'LL TRY RELATIONSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS AND UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE OKAY, I HAVE THE MOST CONNECTION THAT I'VE HEARD WITH.
I CAN POINT TO A FEW HERE THAT I WOULD.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE THESE SOMETHING WE CAN LIVE WITH NOT PERFECT, BECAUSE THE PERFECT, WE'LL CUT.
THAT'S STEP ONE IS GETTING THIS OUT THE DOOR IN MID-JANUARY.
STEP TWO WILL BE THE, THE REFINEMENT THAT WE DO FOR THE BITES AT A TIME AS, UH, PER THE SUGGESTION MAKE WHAT I'M WILLING TO TACKLE HEALTHY COMMUNITY THEN.
I MEAN, I, I'M OPEN TO DOING ANY OF THEM.
IF SOMEONE WANTS HEALTHY COMMUNITIES THAT I FINE TO DO THAT.
SO GOOD GOVERNANCE, ECONOMIC, AND GOOD GOVERNANCE THAT YOU MICHELLE? I DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO, UM, SOMETIME BEFORE NEW YEAR'S DO.
DO YOU WANT OH, I GIVE IT TO YOU ELECTRONICALLY.
SO I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE A WORD VERSION.
SO IT'S NOT IN PDF, IT SHOULD BE FIXABLE AND I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAKING SURE IT'S THAT YOU TOOK HEALTHY COMMUNITY.
CRAN HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE DIFFERENT VERSION THAT DOES SOME CONSOLIDATION.
IF THERE IS ANOTHER VERSION, SEND IT TO YEAH, THAT EMAIL CAME ON THE 2ND OF DECEMBER IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IT.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING HE, IT'S WORD DOCUMENTS.
IF JIM FINDS SOMETHING, SECOND NOTES, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, IS A, A VERSION THAT SOMEHOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED HERE, HE AND I WILL RECONCILE THAT.
UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENT ON THIS, THEN I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE JUST GO AROUND THE ROOM WITH EVERYBODY'S REPORTS AND THEN WE MAY BE, WE MAY BE RATHER CLOSE TO, UH, UH, TO BEING DONE WITH THE, OUR, THE BULK OF OUR MEETING TODAY.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO RUSH ANYTHING.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN, UH, COUNSELOR HAW, COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAW WILL GO TO YOU AND ANY REPORTS YOU WANT MAKE WHO MOMENT? UM, YEAH, I HAVE TO SWITCH.
TRYING TO THINK THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
I THINK, DO WE WANT TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GO AROUND THE ROOM OR DO YOU WANNA GO AROUND THE ROOM AND BE DONE? FINISH IT UP, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
IF ANYTHING COMES UP AS WE GO AROUND, I'LL SAY SOMETHING.
BUT JUST THE BOARD MEETING THIS FRIDAY FOR THE AIRPORT, IT'S GONNA BE A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIVE MEETING.
MEETING, UH, THAT AGENDA WILL HOPEFULLY, IT, IT WILL HAVE TO GO OUT BY BEFORE WEDNESDAY MORNING, SO, UH, IT'LL GO OUT TOMORROW, BUT, UH, IT'LL BE FAIRLY SUBSTANTIVE.
SO PLAN ON, UM, THE FULL AMOUNT OF TIME.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, AS I'M THINK THROUGH MY DEPARTMENT, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT'S COMING UP.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN, I, I'M JUST HAVE A CURIOUS, I'M QUESTION CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S IN MY CALENDAR ABOUT A RETIREMENT ANNOUNCEMENT AND HR STAFFING UPDATES THAT WHAT'S IN MY CALENDAR ON THE THURSDAY THE 12TH? MM-HMM
WELL YOU HAVE HR? YEAH, WE RETIREMENT, IS IT CARLA? YES.
UH, WE HAVE CARLO FERRIS IS RETIRING AT THE, I
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THINK THE END OF THE YEAR.IT'S ALSO A LOCAL CLERK COMING THERE.
IT'S THE SAME GATHERING, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO I MEAN, IT IT IS, THERE IS THAT TRANSITION, BUT IT'S, SHE'S NOT TAKING NO, NO, NO.
IT'S DIFFERENT POSITIONS, BUT IT'S ALSO, BUT IT'S, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE INCOMING PARTIES.
IT'S JUST SO IT HAPPENS TO BE AN EXCITING THING, BUT IT IS THE WAY THE EMAIL READS UP.
I, I ASSUMED IT WAS JUST ALL GROUND.
UM, WE HAVE A GIFT BOARD MEETING ON THE 17TH AT 10:00 AM I DON'T, I THINK YOU HAD THAT IN YOUR CALENDAR, BUT, UM, JUST, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE.
AND THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A SWEARING IN CEREMONY ON THE THURSDAY, THE DECEMBER 19TH AT 5:00 PM UM, KIRK, DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE THAT IS? I HE DIDN'T SAY BUT
YEAH, IN THE, IN THE BIG TRAINING RING.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA SWEAR IN A COUPLE OF BUFFER THAT THEY'RE ALSO, I THINK THAT'S THE DAY THEY'RE GONNA GIVE A COUPLE AWARDS TOO.
SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
THEN OF COURSE THE A TV LIGHT PARADE, UM, UTV LIGHT PARADE ON THE 20TH.
UM, AS DAN MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE THE UTD LIGHT BREAK.
THEY HAVE OVER FOUR OH OH VEHICLES REGISTERED NOW.
SO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
IT'S FULL RIGHT? IT'S WAY FULL.
READ SOMEWHERE THAT THEY ARE NOT TAKING ANY MORE INJURIES.
UM, CARRIE AND JERRY SCHEID, WHO, UM, WRITES A LOCAL COLUMN IN THE POST REGISTER, HAVE A COLUMN, UH, THAT'S COMING OUT TO DISCUSS HOW BEAUTIFUL THE LIGHTS ARE, UM, THROUGH THE FRIENDSHIP, THE JAPANESE FRIENDSHIP GARDEN AND JUST THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
AND JUST HOW EXCITED THEY ARE TO SEE THAT THE CITY HAS CONTINUED TO BEAUTIFY, UM, OUR COMMUNITY DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
SO KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN FOR THAT.
UH, AS MENTIONED, IF YOU WENT TO THE TREE LIGHTING, KATHY COX, UH, PARKS OF REC IS RETIRING ON FRIDAY.
UM, THERE IS A NON-CITY SPONSORED RETIREMENT PARTY, UM, SATURDAY AFTERNOON.
IF ANYONE NEEDS AN INVITATION TO THAT, LET US KNOW.
UH, BUT KATHY'S BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SO MANY, I THINK OF THE FEEL GOOD, JUST QUALITY COMMUNITY, QUALITY OF LIFE TYPES OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE CITY, UM, INCLUDING HOLIDAY DECOR AND, AND JUST, SHE'S JUST BEAUTIFICATION OF THE CITY.
KATHY'S DONE SO MUCH, UM, FOR OUR CITY, AND, UH, I THINK THAT YEAH, SHE'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY MISSED.
UH, THERE IS A CHRISTMAS SALE GOING ON ALL THREE OF OUR GOLF COURSES.
SO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE DEALS.
I KNOW THAT AT LEAST SAGE LAKES WAS OPEN FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS LAST WEEK.
YEAH, I PLACED IT TWICE LAST WEEK.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A GIFT FOR GYM, THAT'S THE PLACE.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE OUR ELECTRONIC, UH, GOLFING SCREENS WHERE YOU CAN YEAH.
YOU CAN PLAY INDOORS AT S INDOORS.
IT'S AT SAGE LAKES AND AT PINECREST, NOT S SAN.
YEAH, SO YOU CAN GOLF YEAR ROUND NILE FALLS.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR NEW TAGLINE, ACTUALLY.
HAVE A COUPLE LEAGUES SET UP, I THINK.
YEAH, I THINK THEY DO FOR LEAGUE.
AND THEN FINALLY THE EAGLE ROCK ART GUILD HOLIDAY MARKET IS AT THE REC CENTER THIS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
UH, AND THE REC CENTER WILL BE CLOSED FRIDAY NIGHT AND ALLS SATURDAY FOR THIS PRIVATE RENTAL.
SO I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT SOME LOCAL ARTISANS DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON THIS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
GO GET UP THE REC CENTER AND, UH, DO A LITTLE BIT HOLIDAY SHOPPING.
TELL ME, UH, TELL ME THE DATES AGAIN.
HE DIDN'T GIVE ME TIMES AND I HAVEN'T SEEN TIMES.
CAN I JUST COMMENT ABOUT THE LIGHTS? I JUST DRIVING DOWN MEMORIAL DRIVE WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ON MEMORIAL FROM E STREET, IT'S JUST SO BEAUTIFUL WITH ALL THE LIGHTS IN THE BIG TREE AT THE END OF THE STREET.
AND I MEAN, IT, IT IS REALLY AS GOOD AS I'VE EVER SEEN IT LOOK, IT REALLY IS GREAT.
KUDOS TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DID.
WELL, AND IT'S BEEN, UH, NICE TO SEE.
I, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE LOST THE BIG TREES.
UH, WE GOT LIGHTING THAT WE DROPPED, WE DROPPED USING LIGHTING, BIG, BIG TREES ALONG THE MEMORIAL ALONG BECAUSE IT BECAME VERY, VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMING.
AND IT, AND IT WAS A, IT WAS UNCLEAR WHO WAS PUTTING BILL FOR THE USE OF THE BUCKET TRUCKS.
AND SO IT BECAME A BIT PROBLEMATIC, BUT, UM, SO THE THOUGHT WAS, OH DARN, NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE THE LITTLE TREES.
BUT IN FACT, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, HUH? I MEAN, ROUNDABOUT AND EVERYTHING HAS REALLY DONE WELL, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A PLEASURE TO DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET.
AND THEN ON BEHALF OF HR, UM, HR ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, JUST TO ADD ON TO THE COUNCILOR FREEMAN, UH, WE ARE HONORING, UH, CARLA, FAR FERRIS, YOU SAY FERRIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
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THE HR OFFICE.SO CARL HASN'T WITH US SINCE NOVEMBER, 2016.
SO, UM, SHE'S DONE A LOT TO MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD IN THE HR DEPARTMENT.
WHAT? SHE CAME, SHE CAME FROM ECAP.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO JUST SAY GOODBYE TO HER AND WISH HER YEAH.
WELL ON HER NEXT PHASE OF HER JOURNEY.
UM, VALERIE AND I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SAY, BULLIS WILL BE JOINING US AS THE HR GENERALIST.
UM, AND WELL HAS JOINED US AS HR GENERALIST TO TRANSITION CARLA.
UM, AND, UH, SHE HAS 12 YEARS OF VALUABLE HR EXPERIENCE AND, UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE HER AS PART OF THE CITY.
SO I HAVEN'T GOT A CHANCE TO MEET VALERIE YET.
BUT, UM, IF YOU COME TO CARLA'S FAREWELL, I'M SURE THAT YOU'LL MEET VALERIE AND THEY'VE BEEN WISE TO CREATE THAT OR ALLOW THAT OVERLAP TO HAPPEN SO THAT THERE'S A MORE SEAMLESS TRANSITION.
SO, AND THEN OF COURSE, CORRINE'S NEW POSITION HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TIMELINE THOUGH, I DON'T RECALL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MARGARET AND CORINNE ARE MORE EXPERT IN THAN I, UM, AND, UH, THAT WE, WE ARE NEED TO KEEP.
UH, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, PRINT, I MEAN, UH, MARGARET COME FORWARD, BUT, UH, TODAY, UM, THE FIRST ROUND OF INTERVIEWS WERE HELD FOR A NEW CITY CLERK.
I THINK THEY'LL TRY TO AIM FOR A SECOND ROUND NEXT WEEK AND, UH, WOULD LUCK MAYBE AN OFFER.
BUT, UH, IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK WE HAVE JASMINE WHO IS ALSO ABLE TO FILL IN.
WE, UM, ARE DOING FIRST ROUND INTERVIEWS THIS WEEK.
WE HOPE TO DO SECOND ROUND NEXT WEEK AND, AND MAKE AN OFFER BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
BUT WITH THE HOLIDAYS AND EVERYTHING, IT'LL PROBABLY BE NEXT YEAR BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UM, IN, IN PERSON.
BUT, UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH, UM, JASMINE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR A COUPLE OF THE UPCOMING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SO THAT CORIN CAN WORK ON THAT TRANSITION, UM, WRAP UP MOST IMMEDIATE PROJECTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, AND THEN ALSO PUT TOGETHER SOME OF A PLAN, UH, TRAINING FOR GRANT FOR THE NEW CLERK TO, TO COME ON BOARD.
SO WE ARE GONNA HOLD ON TO HER JUST AS LONG AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WHILE STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT HR, UM, GETS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY NEED.
AND CORINS BEEN JUST REALLY, UM, GENEROUS WITH HER, HER TIME.
UM, THAT FIRST WEEK IN, IF, IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL THAT FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY, SHE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE NEW CLERK AND THEN WE'LL BE AVAILABLE, UM, AS, AS NEEDED AS WE GO ON.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT CANDIDATES, I THINK, IN THE, IN THE POOL.
UM, BUT IT'LL, IT'S STILL BIG SHOES TO, TO GO DIRECTOR JONES BEEN INCREDIBLY FLEXIBLE ON THIS AND I COULDN'T BE MORE GRATEFUL BECAUSE, UH, THE JOB OF CITY CLERK IS A MUCH BIGGER JOB THAN MOST PEOPLE REALIZE.
UM, AND SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES ON THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS MEETING, UM, AND A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE THAT'S NEEDED.
AND SO, UM, SHE WILL DEFINITELY, UH, BE MISSED AND, AND DO HAVE A, A HOLD TO FILL.
MARGARET, UM, JOHN, AND WE CAN ALL GO SEE HER OVER HERE ANYTIME,
UM, I'LL JUST MENTION ALONG CARLA PARIS, CDS, SHE WORKS UNDER CDS, BUT WE ALSO, AFTER ALMOST 45 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE, BRIAN TOMSET WILL BE RETIRING AND HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR TEAM SINCE FEBRUARY 29TH, 1980.
DURING HIS VERY LONG CAREER WITH THE CITY, BRIAN WORKED AS A PLANNING TECHNICIAN, PLAN CHECKER, CHIEF BUILDING, INSPECTOR, AND BUILDING OFFICIAL.
HE HAS CHOSEN NOT TO HAVE A PARTY, SO IF YOU WANT TO STOP BY OR GIVE HIM A BUT 45 YEARS AND HE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR IN THAT, IN THAT ROLE.
AND, UH, YEAH, THAT KIND OF LONGEVITY IS, IS RARE.
THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT AND LOYALTY IS RARE.
SO, AND THEN I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING, OH, I, THE LIBRARY, I WAS AT THEIR MEETING Y ON THURSDAY.
UM, THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH IMPLEMENTING THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE, UM, AROUND THE MATERIALS AND, UH, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE FOUND A RHYTHM.
UM, BUT IT'S STILL DIFFICULT FOR SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES FOR SURE.
UM, THEY UPDATED THEIR TERMS OF SERVICE WITH MIKE'S HELP, UM, FROM LEGAL ON WHO THEY COULD TRESPASS AND WHEN AND FOR HOW LONG AS THE STATE LAW HAS SOME SAY TO THAT.
UM, NORMALLY IF WE HAD A PRIVATE BUILDING, WE COULD TRESPASS SOMEONE AND THEY CAN NEVER COME BACK.
AND THAT'S JUST HOW IT'S, BUT THE STATE LAW SAYS THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS TO SAY WHO CAN BE TRESPASSED, SO THEY HAVE TO COME PRESENT IN FRONT OF THE BOARDS THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, THE CITY OF EAGLE DID JUST HAVE AN INTERESTING SHOWDOWN OVER THE LIBRARY, IF YOU WANT TO SEE AN INTERESTING ARTICLE.
UM, THE CITY OF EAGLE DID A CLOSED DOOR, UM, PERSONNEL, UM, AND THEN CAME OUT AND VOTED TO GET RID OF TWO OF THEIR TRUSTEES ON THEIR LIBRARY BOARD,
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WHICH IS AN INTERESTING, UH, KIND OF CONFLUENCE OF EVENTS.AND NO ONE'S TALKING, SO NO ONE REALLY KNOWS AS IT MAY BE.
BUT IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS AFTER 20 BOOKS WERE CHALLENGED AND MOVED.
SO, BUT THREE PEOPLE VOTED TO MOVE THE BOOKS AND ONLY TWO GOT REMOVED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF AN ODDITY AS WELL.
SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST AN INTERESTING THING THAT'S COMING OUTTA THAT LAW.
AND I JUST HAVE ONE THING, KIND OF HAPPY NEWS.
I THINK FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF HAPPY BILL FARM ON THURSDAY, I BELIEVE, BUT THE END OF THIS LAST WEEK, THEY HAD POWER TO THE FARM.
IT'S BEEN A TWO YEAR PROJECT THANKS TO BLUE CROSS FOUNDATION, ALL FUNDED BY THE GRANT.
AND, UM, THEY PARTICULARLY THANKED POWER, HELPED THEM WORK THROUGH IT AND GET AROUND NOT HAVING TO DRILL THROUGH A BUNCH OF LAVA.
THEY THANK B JACKSON WHO GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DOING WORK FIBER, WHO HELPED THEM WITH THE CONDUIT AND WHEELER ELECTRIC SOLVED A WHOLE LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR THEM.
BUT PARTICULARLY I HAVE POWER GUT, LOTS OF COMPLIMENTS FOR HELPING THEM THROUGH IT.
THEY STILL HAVE TO BUILD A COOLER SHED, BUT THERE'S MORE MONEY IN THE GROUND.
THEY HAVEN'T SPENT IT ALL YET, AND THEY STILL WILL EVENTUALLY GET POWER TO THEIR HIGH TUNNELS SO THEY CAN KEEP THEIR FANS GOING TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING BY AIR PRESSURE.
THEY THANK YOU TOO ON FACEBOOK.
I DON'T, DON'T LIKE, I LIKE ABSOLUTELY LIKE IT.
I JUST, YOU JUST HAVE TO STOP AND TAKE A MOMENT TO REALIZE THAT FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES ARE TYPICALLY NOT READILY AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO ARE UNIQUE.
THEY GET THE CANNED STUFF, RIGHT? THEY GET THE, THE THINGS THAT CAN BE PURCHASED IN BULK AND, AND FOR LESS EXPENSIVE, UH, UH, PRICING.
SO, UH, TO, TO HAVE A SOURCE OF FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES FOR, UM, THE POPULATION THAT, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO THEM IS A WONDERFUL THING.
IT PROMOTES HEALTH IN LOTS OF WAYS.
UM, BUT UH, IT'S ALSO, JIM IS ALSO PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT INTO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR FOOD LOOK LIKE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LITTLE WAYS TO ATTACK THAT PROBLEM AND HELP PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHY FOOD.
UNDER THE KIND OF BROAD BANNER OF HOLIDAY EVENTS AND QUALITY OF LIFE, AND THIS IS STRICTLY PERSONAL AND I MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR THAT.
UM, MY WIFE JANINE, ALSO KNOWN AS THE LOVELY AND TALENTED, AND A LADY BY THE NAME OF CATHERINE BOSWORTH ARE FOR THE SECOND YEAR PRESENTING A PIANO, UH, HOLIDAY THEME THIS EVENING AT 7:00 PM AND THERE'LL BE, UH, NARRATION BY SOME GUY NAMED MATT LARSON
UM, IT'S 7:00 PM AT THE IDAHO FALLS TEMPLE VISITOR CENTER.
UM, SHE'S BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR YEARS, BUT LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME SHE'D DONE THIS FORMAT AND IT WAS, UH, PRETTY WELL RECEIVED.
UM, SO ONE MORE, UH, BIT AND THAT IS THAT, UH, LAST WEEK, UM, COUNCILORS, UH, FRANCIS LARSON, UM, AND MYSELF, ALONG WITH, UM, CAPTAIN SMITH AND, UH, MARGARET WILMORE, WE ALL WENT TO THE A IC, UH, LEGISLATIVE EVENT.
UM, SO I NEED TO, UH, DIG THAT OUT AND SEE WHAT, UH, WE NEED TO REPORT ON TO YOU.
BUT, UM, THERE IS A CONVERSATION AT THE STATE LEVEL, UM, THAT A IC IS PARTICIPATING IN THAT HAS TO DO WITH FIRE CODE, UM, UH, FOR, UH, FOURPLEXES AND, UH, GREATER IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT'S THE RULE GONNA SHAKE OUT TO BE IN TERMS OF, UH, SPRINKLING FOR THOSE STRUCTURES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE MUCH SOME IMPACT ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT THERE WAS A MEETING TODAY, WERE YOU ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT? YES.
ANYTHING TO REPORT OUT ON, ON THE PROGRESS THERE OR OVERLAP WITH WHAT OUR OVERALL CONCERN IS WITH, UH, SOME OF THE WORK THAT OUR STAFF IS PREPARING FOR COUNCIL, IT'S CLEAR THAT ACROSS THE STATE, UM, THAT THE, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, WHAT A STRUCTURE THAT HAS FOUR SEPARATE LIVING UNITS IS AND ISN'T.
AND, UH, THERE WERE, UH, BUILDERS THAT WERE ON THE CALL WHO ARE CONCERNED THAT ANY INCREASE IN THE COST TO CONSTRUCT ANY KIND OF STRUCTURE IS GONNA PUSH BUYERS OUT OF THE MARKET.
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THAT, UH, THESE STRUCTURES, UH, THAT HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN ONE STRUCTURE POSE A FIRE RISK.I MEAN, MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS IS I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME CLARITY FROM THE LEGISLATURE ON WHAT THEY MEANT BY, BY THE, THE WAY THEY WROTE THE EXCEPTION.
SO THEY WROTE THE EXCEPTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT HAVE MORE THAN TWO UNITS.
UM, WE HAD A KIND OF AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION ON WHAT EVERYBODY THOUGHT THAT LANGUAGE MEANT.
SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT'S CLEARLY AN EXCEPTION FOR A TRADITIONAL HOME THAT PEOPLE THINK OF AS BEING A STANDALONE STRUCTURE THAT'S JUST FOR USUALLY ONE KIND OF RESIDENTIAL UNIT INSIDE OF IT AND DUPLEXES AND NOT ANYTHING MORE.
UH, THERE'S OTHER FOLKS THAT SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SHOULD INCLUDE, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
AND SO IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE WHEN I SAY THE WORD SINGLE FAMILY, I THINK WHAT'S INVOKED IN PEOPLE'S MINDS IS VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO.
IT BRINGS INTO AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF CLASS, SOCIAL ECONOMIC CLASS YOU BELONG TO.
AND THAT HAS EMOTIONAL FEELING ATTACHED TO, IN FACT, WE HAD ONE PERSON ON THE CALL WHO WAS VERY DEFENSIVE ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT THEY LIVED IN WAS JUST AS GOOD AS OTHER PEOPLE'S HOUSES, AND THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T NEED SPRINKLING.
SO IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE AS IN ADDITION TO, UH, A CONVERSATION OF WHAT THE RIGHT THING FOR SAFETY OUGHT TO BE.
SO IS THIS, I'M MISSING CONTEXT, IS THIS BECAUSE THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE CAME OUT AND SAID SPRINKLERS ON SINGLE FAMILY IN THIS VERSION AND THAT IDAHO SAID, NO, ACTUALLY THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE HAS SUGGESTED SPRINKLING IN ALL KINDS OF STRUCTURES, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR MANY YEARS.
BUT, UH, WHEN THAT RECOMMENDATION FIRST CAME OUT, THE LEGISLATURE EXEMPTED, UH, WHAT IT CALLED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN EXCESS OF TWO UNITS.
AND THERE ISN'T ANY DEFINITION FOR WHAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME MEANS.
THE INTERNATIONAL CODES USE THE TERM SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, BUT THEY DON'T USE THE TERM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH IS A DISTINCTION THAT MAYBE ONLY MATTERS TO LAWYERS.
BUT IT IS PART OF THE DIFFICULTY.
ONE OF THE WAYS I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT BY ANY MEANS, BUT THAT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT CODES.
THERE'S THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, AND THEN THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING CODE.
AND SO IT, IT, IT'S TRYING TO DETERMINE WHICH ONE OF THOSE CODES IT FALLS UNDER AND, AND BASICALLY IT REVOLVES AROUND WHETHER THEY NEED TO BE SPRINKLED OR NOT AND AT WHAT LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT IT NEEDS TO NEED TO BE SPRINKLED.
I MEAN THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY GRAY AREA.
I THINK THE LEGISLATURE COULD SOLVE IT.
AND, AND, BUT SO CAN WE FOR OUR PURPOSES.
AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UH, BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE PAST YEAR, UH, STAFF HAS BEEN PUTTING THEIR HEADS TOGETHER IN AND, AND PUTTING THEIR THOUGHTS TOGETHER IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND THEY'VE LANDED ON STEP ONE BEING, LET'S CLARIFY WHAT THE DEFINITIONS MEAN IN OUR CITY.
UM, AND THAT'S WITHIN OUR RIGHT SOMEWHAT, BUT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THIS STATEWIDE CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT COULD, IT COULD, YOU KNOW, CROSS CUT WHAT WE COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S GOOD FOR US TO AT LEAST BE AWARE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, AND WE CAN ADAPT MUCH MORE NIMBLY THAN THE LEGISLATURE CAN.
SO IF THEY, IF WE COME UP WITH OUR DEFINITIONS AND THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU, HOPEFULLY IN JANUARY, YOU, UH, WILL BE ABLE TO WATCH WHAT THE STATE DOES AND IF WE HAVE TO ADJUST, WE'LL ADJUST.
BUT, UM, JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE GRAPPLING WITH THIS.
UM, AND, AND OUR STAFF ISN'T, UH, INCOMPETENT BECAUSE THEY'VE TAKEN SO LONG TO ADDRESS IT.
UM, AND, AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT TO EVERYBODY'S SATISFACTION IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT, BUT WE'LL GET TO SOME OF THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS OF IT.
AND IT UNFORTUNATELY INTERACTS WITH OUR IMPACT FEE, UM, UH, ORDINANCE AS WELL.
BUT FIRST WE'RE GONNA START WITH SOME CLEAN DEFINITIONS AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WE'RE GONNA FIGHT ONE THING AT A TIME.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE FELT LIKE IT'S BEEN REALLY SLOW GOING AND IT HAS FELT THAT WAY.
UM, IT'S CONFUSING TO THE BUILDERS TOO.
WELL, AND THEY WANT TWO THINGS.
I MEAN, THEY WANT IN, IN ONE HAND THEY WANT A DEFINITION FOR IMPACT FEES THAT GIVES THEM TO PAY LESS, BUT THEN THEY WANT THAT SAME DEFINITION TO ALLOW THEM TO NOT SPRINKLE.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, WELL, AND THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT THE PERSON WHO, UH, WAS IN CHARGE OF THE CITY WHEN WE CREATED OUR DRUGS
RIGHT? WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SAFE, WE DON'T BURN SOMEBODY UP BECAUSE WE DIDN'T
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DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE YET.UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT JUMPS OUT IN YOUR MIND? THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING THAT WAS A HOT BURNING, SIZZLING LEGISLATIVE ISSUE, UM, THAT I RECALL FROM THAT MEETING.
WELL, IT WAS THE ISSUE OF DOMESTIC WELLS.
THE ISSUE OF, AND I THINK I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, YEAH, THE PIECE THAT I PUT OUT, WHICH IS PERFECTLY WRITTEN, HAS A TY OVER TWO IN IT.
BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE DOMESTIC WEALTH COMING UP AS POTENTIAL LEGISLATION.
WE'LL SEE OUR, OUR OWN CITY, UM, NOT AT THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT OUR OWN ATTORNEY THAT THE CITY HIRES FOR WATER ADVICE, UM, IS RATHER LEERY OF, UH, SOME OF THE DOMESTIC WELL CONVERSATIONS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT HE IS, UM, HAS SEEN THIS LATEST UH, UM, VERSION THAT, UM, IDAHO WATER USERS IS PUTTING OUT.
SO HE MAY HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OPINION ONCE HE SEES THIS NEW BILL.
I GOT KIND OF READING BETWEEN THE LINES, FEELING FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY THOUGHT THE LEGISLATURE WAS READY TO REALLY TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT THAT.
IS THAT THE FACTS OR IS IT JUST THAT WE'D LIKE THEM TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT IT? WELL, IT'S THAT LAST YEAR THERE WAS INTEREST IN TAKING A SERIOUS LOOK, BUT THE BILL WAS TRYING TO DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE.
AND SO IF THEY CAN SEPARATE THE TWO THINGS AND JUST GIVE THEM A SINGLE TOPIC, SINGLE ISSUE BILL, THERE'S OPTIMISM THAT SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN.
I THINK THIS BE A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE IS SOME ABUSE, I THINK OF THAT, UH, RULE.
AND WHEN I SAY ABUSE, I MEAN IT'S BEING USED IN FOR PURPOSES OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT THE CONSTITUTION FOR, WHICH WAS KIND OF THAT HOMESTEAD CONCEPT, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THE PHRASE I HEARD SEVERAL TIMES WAS THOSE WHO ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM SHOULD BE PART OF THE SOLUTION SPEAKER.
SO IF THERE'S ANY, I'LL GO BACK AND FIND THAT, UH, MY NOTES AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THAT STANDS OUT THAT WE FORGOT TO COVER, WE'LL BRING IT UP NEXT WEEK.
LET'S ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON, UH, THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY MORNING.