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ALRIGHT, I SHOW SEVEN, SO WE'LL GET STARTED.WELCOME TO OUR DECEMBER PLANNING AND ZONING
[Call to Order]
AND COMMISSION MEETING.UM, WE'LL START WITH A REVIEW OF MINUTES.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT, UH, NEED TO BE CHANGED ON LAST MONTH'S MINUTES? JUST TAKE A MOTION TO
[Minutes: November 12, 2024]
ACCEPT THE MINUTES.UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, I'D LIKE TO POSE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM LAST THIS MEETING.
AND WE'LL JUST TAKE A VOICE CALL.
[1. Resolution validating conformity of the Urban Renewal Plan for the Proposed Yellowstone Square Urban Renewal Project with the City of Idaho Falls’ Comprehensive Plan. ¹]
UP FROM THE IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, UH, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, RESOLUTION VALIDATING CONFORMITY OF THE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED YELLOWSTONE SQUARE URBAN RENEWAL PROJECT.COMMISSIONERS, YOU DON'T TYPICALLY HEAR FROM THE DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE GREAT STAFF THAT COVERS THESE MEETINGS, SO YOU DON'T SEE ME AS MUCH.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.
AND I'M COMING ACTUALLY NOT AS THE CVS DIRECTOR.
I'M COMING AS THE IF R OR IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
IT'S THE SECOND HAT THAT I WEAR AS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THAT ORGANIZATION.
SO, UM, WHAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY IS, IS SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT YOU DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN.
UH, WHAT IT IS, IS THERE IS A NEW REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY DISTRICT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED CALLED THE YELLOWSTONE SQUARE REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH I HAVE UP HERE.
UM, IT'S THIS RED AREA RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT BUSINESS IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT BASICALLY IS AT THE CORNER OF HOLMES AND YELLOWSTONE HIGHWAY RIGHT THERE.
AND, UM, AN ELIGIBILITY STUDY WAS CON, OR LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK FOR A SECOND.
WHENEVER A NEW DISTRICT IS CREATED, UM, THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, THE CITY CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THE PROPOSED DISTRICT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR IMAGINE IF, AND, UM, PER SECTION OR IDAHO CODE 50 DASH 2018 0.8.
UH, IT STATES THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET FOR THEM TO BE CREATED A DISTRICT, AND ALSO GIVES PROVISIONS THAT IT HAS TO BE ADHERED TO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE CITY IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED.
SO THE, UM, THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT, AND THEN HERE I HAVE THE OVERLAY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWING THAT THIS IS LOCATED, THIS, UH, THESE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN THE MIXED USE CENTER AND CORRIDOR IN IMAGINE THE IAF AND THE IMAGINE IAF DESCRIBES THESE AREAS AS AREAS WHERE PEOPLE TEND TO SHOP, EAT AND GATHER.
THESE AREAS INCLUDE ALL HOUSING TYPES, BUT GENERALLY AT A MORE INTENSE SCALE THAN OTHER AREAS.
THESE AREAS INCLUDE MIXED USE BUILDINGS, RECREATION CENTERS, AND COMMERCIAL USES.
MIXED USE CENTERS AND CORRIDORS MAY VARY IN SCALE FROM LARGE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL CENTERS WITH SUPPORTING HOUSING TO SMALLER COMMERCIAL POCKETS, UH, CALLED WALKABLE CENTERS THAT SUPPORT A WELL CONNECTED WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS, UH, AS IT'S CALLED OUT THERE THAT, UM, MIXED USE CENTERS, UH, VARY IN SIZE FROM LARGE TO REGIONAL COMMERCIAL CENTERS.
THE CURRENT LAND USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL, AND SO IT IS STAFF'S DETERMINATION THAT THIS MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT THERE IS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS, IS VERIFYING THAT THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT THIS ONE IN THE PAST? WE HAVE ONE, ANOTHER ONE, WHEREAS THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS, YOU WERE PROBABLY THINKING, SO WE DID DO THE SAME THING FOR, UM, IT IS, UH, IT'S ON THE NORTH.
THERE IS AN AREA ON YELLOWSTONE KIND OF.
YEAH, IT'S ON THE NORTH GATE HOUSE ACROSS FROM, UH, YEAH.
AND THAT ONE, WE WERE BRINGING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEN THE DEVELOPER BACKED OUT OF THAT ONE, AND SO IT KIND OF WENT DEFUNCT ON THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT ONE.
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QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.I HAVE, HAVING BEEN AROUND THIS PLACE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, IT'S AMAZING TO SEE THE CYCLES THAT AREAS OF THE CITY GO THROUGH.
AND I DO REMEMBER WHEN, UH, AT ONE TIME THIS AREA WAS A VERY THRIVING, UH, UH, MALL, ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IN THE CITY, IDAHO FALLS.
AND HOW YOU'VE SEEN THAT AS THE YEARS HAVE BLOW BY, IT'S JUST GRADUALLY DETERIORATED TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S ESSENTIALLY NOTHING MORE RIGHT NOW THAN JUST A PARKING LOT, A BUS PARKING LOT, ESSENTIALLY.
AND CERTAINLY, UH, IN MY JUDGMENT, WELL FITS CRITERIA FOR URBAN RENEWAL, UH, ASSISTANCE.
I GUESS I, I COMMENT AS MUCH AS THE QUESTION, UH, I GUESS MY CONCEPTION IS THAT THE IDEA BEHIND AN URBAN RENEWAL IS TO ENABLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT IS NOT REALLY FEASIBLE BECAUSE OF IT'S APPLIED TOGETHER.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I MEAN, THE IDEA OF ENHANCING LIVABILITY, WALKABILITY, UM, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND SHOP AND, AND WORK AND SO FORTH.
I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S MY SENSE OF THE CONCEPT.
AND I JUST WONDER HOW, UM, A PONY EXPRESS, I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I SEE PROPOSED HERE.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS DRAWING HERE THAT HAS THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT IDEA, IF THAT HAS ANY BASIS IN FACT, OR IF THIS IS JUST A, BUT IT SHOWS A PONY EXPRESS CAR WASH, AND THAT'S THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT I SEE HERE BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
AM I MISREADING THIS OR, YEAH, THERE'S, UM, I'M LOOKING ON PAGE FOUR OF THE SUMMARY OF PROJECTS.
UM, IT'S IN THE ATTACHMENT FIVE, THE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY STUDY.
SO THEY, THEY OFTEN WE'LL PROPOSE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
JUST MAKING SURE I'M LOOKING AT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT TOWARDS THE BACK PACKET.
YEAH, YOU SAID ATTACHMENT, WHICH ONE? FIVE, PAGE FOUR.
ATTACHMENT FIVE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND, AND IT SHOWS VARIOUS PROPOSALS FOR MOVING SEWERS AND SO FORTH.
AND, AND, AND THE ONLY, ANYWAY, IT SHOWS A PONY EXPRESS CAR WASH THERE ON RIGHT OFF OF YEAH.
SOME OF THAT IS, IS JUST CONCEPTUAL.
UM, MOST OF THE, SO IF R COULD BE USED, IT'S MOSTLY, OR TAKE A STEP BACK IF R IS USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LAYING OUT WITHIN THE PROJECTS.
SO THERE COULD BE A CAR WASH THERE IF THEY HAVE, UH, A DEVELOPER, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE'LL GO WIND UP GOING IN.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THAT PER SE.
THIS WOULD JUST, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP TO CREATE, UM, THE ACTUAL DISTRICT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE SUMMARIZING HERE ARE POTENTIAL PROJECTS, BUT PRIMARILY IT'S DEALING WITH, UM, WHAT WILL BE NEEDED FROM THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING THAT'S USED FOR, UM, UTILITY DRENCHING, UH, REMOVAL OF SOME LAVA ROCK ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, UH, SUMMARIZING THERE WITH PROJECTS AND THEN SHOWING THAT THE DEVELOPER MAY BUILD, UM, UH, MAY BUILD A CAR WASH.
BUT THAT OF COURSE WOULD GO THROUGH SITE PLAN, PRO PROCESS AND POTENTIAL THINGS THAT WOULD COME MUCH LATER AFTER THE DISTRICT'S CREATED.
SO AT, AT THIS POINT, ALL WE'RE REALLY DOING IS SAYING, IS THIS AREA, DOES THIS QUALIFY AS A, AS A, UH, URBAN RENEWAL JUST BASED ON, UH, THE, THE POLITENESS AND THAT SORT OF THING? IS THAT YOU, YOU ARE NOT DOING THAT QUITE YET? UM, WHAT YOU'RE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, WHAT YOU'RE STATE, WHAT YOUR MOTION WOULD BE WOULD BE, UM, IS THE PROPOSED AREA, IS THAT, IS THIS AREA WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS WHAT CURRENTLY IS BEING USED THERE, A COMMERCIAL USE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MIXED USE
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CORRIDOR IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THAT'S ALL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, THE DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST STEP THAT DISTRICT WILL COME LATER STATING THAT THIS IS A FIRM DISTRICT AND THESE ARE THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT DISTRICT FOR FUTURE.
AND THAT THE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY AND ALL OF THAT CORE CORRELATES WITH, UH, A REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMENTS? I WAS GONNA MOSTLY JUST, UH, HELP ADD SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO THE DISTRICT IS, UM, IT'S NOT JUST THE, YOU KNOW, PONY EXPRESS.
IT'S, IT'S THE POTENTIAL TO, WE'RE NOW CREATING A DISTRICT.
AND NOW OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THEN IT, UH, INCENTIVIZES OTHER DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS TO DO STUFF IN THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY OTHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CAR WASH.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THIS OTHER SPACE HERE, AND IT INCENTIVIZES OTHER DEVELOPERS AND OTHER BUILDERS TO DO OTHER THINGS IN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THESE BUILDERS OR DEVELOPERS, THEN THEY CAN GET, UH, REIMBURSED BACK SOME OF THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.
BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS DISTRICT DOES.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT DOES THIS MATCH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? BUT I, I'M SAYING THAT JUST SO THAT WAY THERE'S SOME CLARITY ON LIKE WHAT THIS IS, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T SEE THESE VERY OFTEN.
AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST AN AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOW THE CITY IS FOCUSED ON MORE, UM, AND IT INCENTIVIZES, UH, DEVELOPERS ESSENTIALLY.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S MORE THAN JUST THIS PONY EXPRESS.
SO, UM, PROJECTS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN COME YET, BUT THE DISTRICT COMES FIRST IN ORDER TO THEN SEE MORE PROJECTS COME, HOPEFULLY THAT NO, THANK YOU.
I, I, I COULDN'T SAID THE SAME.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S OTHER DISCUSSION.
MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU TAKE A MOTION, IF I COULD, IN YOUR PACKET, THERE IS A RESOLUTION DOCUMENT.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THOSE RESOLUTION DOCUMENT IS SIMILAR TO OUR RECENT STATEMENTS THAT WE DO WITH PLANNING.
UM, BUT, UH, REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY REQUIRES THE COMMISSION TO DO IT BY RESOLUTION.
SO ANYONE WHO WOULD BE MAKING A MOTION WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION AS PART OF THAT MOTION.
AND THE COMMISSION, OF COURSE, WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT IT MATCHES WHAT YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS ARE.
SO JUST FOR CLARITY THEN, THE MOTION WOULD BE A RESO, UH, APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION, VALIDATING CONFORMITY OF RENEWAL PLAN, CORRECT.
READ SECTION THREE, NUMBER ONE, THE BUSINESS.
WHOEVER MAKES THAT MOTION, PLEASE DO SO.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF VITAL FALLS, VALIDATING CONFORMITY OF THE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN, THE YELLOWSTONE SQUARE URBAN RENEWAL PROJECT WITH THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS' COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT RESOLUTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? UH, WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL.
[2. PLT24-051: FINAL PLAT for River Hollow at Sage Lakes Division No. 1. SW ¼ of Section 30, Township 3 North, Range 38 East. Located north of E 65th N, east of N 5th W, south of Commons Road, west of N 5th E. ¹ ]
ITEM NUMBER TWO, A FINAL PLAN FOR RIVER HALL AT SAFE LAKE SUBDIVISION.I BELIEVE THAT'S NUMBER THREE.
WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR RIVER HALL.
WILL YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
NEIL HUMPHRIES, 1331 FREMONT AVENUE, UM, REPRESENTING CLIENT ROCKWELL HOMES.
I'M WITH NEW ROCK ENGINEERING.
SO YES, THIS IS, UH, I GUESS THE FIRST DIVISION OF WHAT WILL BE SIX DIVISIONS IN THE RIVER HOLLOW, UM, APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WENT THROUGH JUST EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UH, DIVISION ONE PROVIDES A BACKBONE ROAD CONNECTING 65TH NORTH AND, UH, FIFTH WEST THERE.
UH, CONTINUING GLEN ABBEY, UH, TO THE NORTH, CROSSING THE ROAD.
UM, THERE ARE 65 LOTS, ALL SINGLE FAMILY WITHIN, UH, THIS INITIAL SUBDIVISION AS WELL AS, UH, A LARGE PROPOSED, UM, OPEN SPACE PARK LOT WILL PROVIDE, UM, USABLE GREEN SPACE FOR RESIDENTS AS
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WELL AS, UH, A STORAGE POND FOR, UH, STORMWATER.UM, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT IT.
UM, THIS WAS RECENTLY ANNEXED AND ZONED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UH, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS IN THE COUNTY, UH, ZONED A ONE AGRICULTURE AND IT WAS APPROVED, UH, ANNEXED AS, UM, R TWO.
UH, THERE IS SOME PLANNED TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT IN DIVISION TWO AND THREE, UH, WHICH YOU'LL BE SEEING IN UPCOMING MONTHS, I WOULD IMAGINE, HOPEFULLY.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE ANY, UH, I I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, WAS CONNECTING, UH, FIFTH WEST AND 65TH NORTH MM-HMM.
YEAH, WE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ABOUT HOW WE WERE GONNA SPLICE UP, UH, THE DIVISION BOUNDARIES.
THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CONNECTIVITY.
UM, RIGHT AT THE GET GO, INITIALLY WHEN WE PROPOSED THE DIVISION BOUNDARIES, WE HAD, UH, GLEN ABBEY SPLIT INTO, I THINK TWO SEPARATE SUBDIVISIONS, KIND OF THE NORTH HALF AND SOUTH HALF.
UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO THIS ROUTE.
I THINK IT IS A BETTER LAYOUT, PROVIDES BETTER CONNECTIVITY, HENCE THE ONE KEY LAYOUT.
IT'S, IT IS A LITTLE AWKWARD, BUT IT, IT GAVE THE DEVELOPER KIND OF A ROUGH LOCK COUNT THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WITH THE FIRST SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAD ANOTHER, WELL, WE HAVE A, ANOTHER PROJECT COMING UP, BUT YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IVY WOOD.
DIVISION FIVE IS VERY SIMILAR AS THIS DIVISION ONE WILL BE PROVIDING KIND OF A STRUCTURED BACKBONE ROAD, UM, AND SOME CONNECTIVITY FOR FUTURE SUBDIVISIONS.
SO, UM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, PLEASE.
UM, IS THAT OPEN LOT, UH, YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE A PARKER OR WHATEVER, OR JUST AN OPEN, WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? YEAH, THE DEVELOPER PLANS TO PUT SOME AMENITIES THERE.
FOR RESIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS, YEAH, IT'S, UM, BIG STORM POND.
THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GONNA, IS IT ALSO A STORM POND? YEAH, THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT FAIRLY USABLE THOUGH, SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LARGE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT ONE'S NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET DEEP, BUT JUST A, A COUPLE FEET DEEP HOPEFULLY, OR FEW FEET DEEP
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF.
BRIAN STEVENS, UH, WITH THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS STAFF, UH, LET'S SEE, I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 26.5 ACRES.
THE CON, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS GENERAL URBAN AND SUBURBAN.
UM, AND THAT IS THERE ON THE FIRST PAGE, IT WAS ANNEXED AS R TWO EARLIER.
UH, LET'S SEE, THE AVERAGE LOT DENSITY, I'M JUST KIND OF PROSING THROUGH HERE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HIT ALL OF THESE POINTS.
THE AVERAGE LOT DENSITY IS 2.4 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, IT COULD BE UP TO SEVEN 17 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE BLOCK LENGTHS, UH, OF BETWEEN 400 AND 1300 AS THIS BUILDS OUT.
SO THIS BACKBONE WILL BE LONGER THAN THAT, BUT THERE WILL BE INTERSECTION SPACED THROUGHOUT THIS, THAT AS THE DIVISIONS GO, WE'LL GET THOSE, THOSE APPROPRIATE STREET AND WALK LINKS.
UH, AND THEN STAFF IS REVIEWED THE FINAL PLAT AND FINDS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SUBDIVISION AND COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE.
ORDINANCE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT, AND THEN THE REQUESTED ACTION IS THERE AT THE TOP FOR A MOTION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE.
UM, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE PROPOSAL, DO WE, DOES IT COME BACK EVER FOR A PUBLIC HEARING OR WE PASS THAT FOR THIS? SO THE, SO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS WHERE WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND NOW WE'RE IN THE FINAL PLAT.
SO, SO THIS AFTER CITY COUNCIL? YEAH.
SO WE'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION PLEASE.
UH, THE, THE ONE ISSUE THAT I WAS FOCUSING UPON WAS THE LENGTH OF THE BLOCKS.
YOU TOUCHED UPON IT THAT APPARENTLY THAT WILL COME IN INCREMENTS, UH, BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE WERE SEVERAL AREAS WHERE I THINK, UH, IT APPEARS TO EXCEED THE, THE, UH, MINIMUM OF THE MAXIMUM
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LENGTH OF, OF THE, OF THE BLOCK.SO, LET'S SEE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET TO THE RIGHT SLIDE HERE.
SO THE SKY BLUE AREA IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND, AND THE SKY BLUE OR THE ROAD NETWORK IS WITH THE HEAVY BLACK LINES.
AND AT EVERY, SO I'M GONNA BUTCHER HOW I DESCRIBE A BLOCK, BUT THE, I'M TRYING TO SEE, I'M NOT GETTING THE POINTER THAT I WOULD HOLD FOR SOMETHINGS REALLY OFF
WHICH ONE DO I, WHICH ONE? WELL, THIS ONE'S NOT GONNA POINT OVER HERE AND GETTING TRACTION THERE, BUT, OKAY.
SO THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE 1300, THE LENGTH FROM THIS INTERSECTION TO THIS INTERSECTION.
SO IF YOU IMAGINE IN THE BLUE AREA, THE BLOCK LENGTH OF 1300, THAT WOULD BE THE BLOCK RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN A NEW BLOCK WOULD START HERE, RIGHT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS A BLOCK, BUT AT EACH INTERSECTION THAT BLOCK LENGTH STARTS ANEW, RIGHT? SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE CAN SEE ALL OF THOSE BLOCKS AND THEY ALL DO MEET THE CRITERIA UNDER 1300.
I, MY ONLY CONCERN IS JUST THAT WE'VE GOT SO MANY UNITS POTENTIALLY WITH ONE, I MEAN, I GUESS TWO ENTRANCES ON THE 65TH AND ONE OUT ON THE FIFTH WEST, UH, OR FIFTH NO NORTHWEST.
UM, AND I SEE THAT THERE IS POTENTIAL ON THE NORTH END FOR MORE OUTLETS AT SOME POINT, BUT NOTHING ELSE IN THIS WHITE AREA THAT, THAT COULD COME ON.
WE DON'T STUB A ROAD LEAVING IT OPEN FOR A CONNECTOR TO 65TH AT SOME POINT.
SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT THIS POINT OR IS WORKING A LITTLE STRANGE.
BUT, SO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS DOWN HERE, WE, WE WILL HAVE A CONNECTION AT SOME POINT ALONG THIS, AND AT LEAST THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
THEY HAVE BUILT THIS ROAD RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE SO THAT IT, A CONNECTION CAN BE MADE INTO THIS PROPERTY.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T STUB OUT AT THE END OF ONE OF THOSE LANES, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT, CORRECT.
BECAUSE YES, BECAUSE THEY RAN IT PARALLEL TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THEY'RE, IT, IT GIVES 'EM A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THAT NEXT DEVELOPMENT TO CONNECT IN THERE.
BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED LIKE WE HAVE TO, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT.
AND THERE WILL BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S AS WELL AS THERE WILL BE ONE, UH, THERE'S A CONNECTION HERE OVER THE CANAL.
AND SO WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONNECTIVITY INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AS IT EVOLVE AS THE AREA.
SO WHAT POINT DOES IT GO FROM THE, THE QUARTER BACKBONE ROAD WERE IMPROVING TONIGHT TO DEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS TO THE EAST AND MAYBE SOME, I MEAN IT, WHAT I, WHAT I'M DRIVING AT, I GUESS, IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR THIS WHOLE THING TO BE DEVELOPED WITH JUST THOSE TWO MAJOR ACCESS POINTS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH? YES.
WE ALSO HAVE THE ONE TO THE SOUTHWEST.
SO, SO YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR ONE, YOUR FIFTH NORTH OR FIFTH WEST, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 65TH NORTH HERE, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE HERE THAT GOES TO 65TH NORTH.
BUT IT, BUT IT COULD FULLY DEVELOP WITHOUT ANYTHING ELSE ACCESSING NORTH OR SOUTH AND IT, BUT THAT IS WELL BELOW WHAT THEY COULD HAVE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CONCERN IS THERE, BUT, OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, PLEASE? I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE MAJOR COMMENTS, UH, CONCERNS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING THE PRELIMINARY FLAT, THE TRAFFIC GOING TO NORTH FIFTH WEST.
AND, AND SO I'M, I GUESS I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF THE SORT OF BLIND TURN THAT IS THERE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THIS EXIT ENTRANCE AND EXIT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME THROUGH THAT NORTH ENTRANCE THERE OVER TO NORTH FIFTH WEST.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC CONTROL THERE'S GONNA BE THERE, THERE JUST SO STOP SIGN.
SO THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY PERFORMED AND IF I REMEMBER
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CORRECTLY, ABOUT 10% OF THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WILL EXIT AT THAT POINT.THAT BEING SAID, 90% OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL END UP AT A LIGHTED OR A LIT INTERSECTION HERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
THAT WILL THEN CONTINUE ON DOWN FIFTH WEST.
SO ANOTHER PERCENT OF THAT WILL COME OVER AND GO TO THE LEWISVILLE HIGHWAY.
BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT WILL EXIT TOWARDS ILE FALLS 1265TH AND NORTH.
AND 65TH IS ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING APPROVED AT TOWARDS THE LEWISVILLE HIGHWAY.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SEE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS IT DEVELOPS OUT, WE SEE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND NOW WITH THE IMPACT FEES, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, MAJOR ARTERIALS AND THIS, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK THIS, THIS ONE IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CONSIDERED TO CHANGE FROM A MAJOR ARTERIAL TO A STRATEGIC ARTERIAL, GIVEN THE, UH, US 20 I 15 CONNECTOR.
SO THE PLAN WILL BE TO HAVE A LIGHT AT 65TH NORTH AND NORTH NORTHWEST? YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE STUDYING ON THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S WHAT IS THE RESULT OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HELPING PAY FOR THAT.
OR LIKE MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN TALK TO THAT.
ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS? I MEAN, I, I CAN SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WANT TO MAYBE TRY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTION QUESTIONS, BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE BETTER INFORMATION ON THAT BECAUSE THEY DEAL A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH TRAFFIC.
UM, AND I'M A LITTLE HAZY ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, SO TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, BUT RYAN'S CORRECT FROM, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THE LARGE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS EXPECTED TO EXIT THE SUBDIVISION, UH, ON 65TH SOUTH.
BETWEEN EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO ENTRANCES AND EXITS THAT WE SHOWED THERE, UM, A GOOD PORTION OF IT WAS EXPECTED TO HEAD EAST TOWARDS LEWISVILLE HIGHWAY AND CONTINUE ITS WAY TO IDAHO, IDAHO FALLS OR M AND IONA, UM, HEADING EAST.
SO THE LARGE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC WAS EXPECTED TO EXIT GLEN ABBEY AND HEAD EAST TOWARDS LEWISVILLE HIGHWAY.
I THINK THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DID FIND THAT OVER, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE 30 YEAR PROJECTED BUILD OUT AND, UH, BACKGROUND COUNTS.
UM, AT SOME POINT IN TIME IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE A, A LIGHTED INTERSECTION ESTABLISHED AT VILLE HIGHWAY 65TH NORTH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS TRUE IN THE SAME FOUR FIFTH WEST AND 65TH NORTH.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, TURN LANES WERE WARRANTED OR SUGGESTED AT A MINIMUM, UM, FOR ALL THREE ENTRANCES AND EXITS, SO ON.
I KNOW YOU HAD A, WAS IT, WHICH I, ONE OF ONE OF YOU HAD A CONCERN ABOUT FIFTH WEST SPECIFICALLY THE CURVE, UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DEFINITELY CONSIDERED AND WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT, UH, LIVE OUT THERE IN THE COUNTY.
SO THERE'S BEEN SOME ACCIDENTS IN THAT, UH, LOCATION BEFORE JUST DUE TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT GREAT VISION AND VISIBILITY.
UM, THAT INTERSECTION SPECIFICALLY HAS A LEFT TURN OUT, UM, FROM THE SUBDIVISION AND A RIGHT TURN IN NO STOP SIGN, UH, WAS WARRANTED AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, AND, UH, SIMILAR TURN LANES IN AND OUT I THINK WERE SUGGESTED WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ON 65TH NORTH.
UM, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BE INSTALLED, UM, FOR PUBLIC WORKS WITH, UH, SOME OF THE RECENT SUBMITTALS WE'VE SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THIS FINAL PLAT.
UM, SO 65TH NORTH WILL NOT BE WIDENED AT THIS TIME AS PART OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO INSTALL THE TURN WINDS SO THAT, UH, ANY NEW TRAFFIC THAT COMES ONTO, UH, THE ESTABLISHED ROAD NETWORK HAS, YOU KNOW, GOOD INGRESS AND EGRESS.
SO, SO RESTATE WHAT YOU JUST, WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, AND YOU TELL ME THAT THAT'S CORRECT, THAT THE, ON THE 60 50 NORTH, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO WIDEN 65TH NORTH ALONG THE DEVELOPED PORTION AT THIS TIME.
AND IS THAT NOT PART OF THE PROPOSAL OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THIS, THIS, THIS PROPERTY? SO
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, RIGHT, IT, IT GOES WITH THE DIVISIONS OR IT ADDRESSES THAT AND IT TAKES IT IN A FIVE YEAR INCREMENT, IF I
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REMEMBER CORRECTLY AS I READ THROUGH IT.AND WHAT THEY DO AS THESE LOTS ARE DEVELOPED, RIGHT? THE, OVER THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS, THERE'S NOBODY LIVING THERE, THERE IS NO TRAFFIC IMPACT OTHER THAN THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS COMING AND GOING, THEN YOU START TO SEE SOME RESIDENCES BUILD IN THERE, RIGHT? TYPICALLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO IN A TRAFFIC STUDY, SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT A FEW OF THESE, AND I CAN TRY AND HELP EXPLAIN THAT.
IT, IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THE PEOPLE ARRIVE THAT LIVE THERE AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO, SO THEY'RE DRIVING TO TRA YOU KNOW, TO THE GROCERY STORE TO WORK OR, OR, OR YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A DESTINATION AND THEN THEY SAY THAT APPROXIMATE HOME MAKES SO MANY TRIPS TO AND FROM, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE DOING 65 LOTS RIGHT NOW AND, AND THAT DOESN'T WARRANT ANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS OTHER THAN THE DECEL LANE TO TURN IT RIGHT? BUT AS IT GOES OVER THE COURSE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD TAKE 10 TO 30 YEARS RIGHT? TO BUILD OUT.
SO OVER 10 TO 30 YEARS WE WOULD SEE THAT ROAD WIDENING THE STREET LIGHT GO IN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS ROAD, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IS, IS, UH, IS IT A, IS IT A MAJOR OR A MINOR ARTERIAL? SO, AND IT IT'S A PEDESTRIAN ONE.
DO YOU KNOW? I WANT TO SAY IT'S A PEDESTRIAN ONE, NOT A TRUCK ONE.
RIGHT? BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT CHANGED WITH 30 THIRD'S DESIGNATION.
BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, IS AS THE, AS IT PROGRESSES, AS MORE DIVISIONS COME IN, THEN MORE THE ROAD WILL BE BUILT OUT INCREMENTALLY, RIGHT? TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? PLEASE? UM, AND IS THE, THAT THE WIDENING WHEN IT DOES NEED TO HAPPEN, IS THAT PAID FOR BY THE IMPACT FEES THAT THE DEVELOPER PAYS IN THE BEGINNING? IS THAT HOW THAT HAPPENS? I, I, I'M ASKING AS THE, AS THE LOTS COME ON BOARD AND AS THE BILLING PERMITS ARE PULLED, THE IMPACT FEES ARE PAID.
NOW ARTERIALS ARE PAID FOR BY THE CITY, RIGHT? AND SO YES, THAT THE CITY WILL USE THOSE IMPACT FEES PLUS OTHER FUNDS TO BUILD THE ROADS, RIGHT? SO THEY MAY CITY GRANT, THEY MAY HAVE OTHER GENERAL FUND MONEY, YOU KNOW, BUT YES, THAT'S IT, IT IS THE IMPACT FEE THAT IS INTENDED TO PAY FOR THE ROADS.
MR. CHAIR TOO, IF I CAN OFFER SOME ADDITIONAL INSIGHT.
SO 65TH IS A MINOR ARTERIAL FIFTH WEST AND FIFTH EAST.
ALSO, WHEN THE CITY ADOPTED THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE, OUR CONSTRUCTION AND BUILD OUT OF ARTERIAL ROADS BECAME THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THAT IS WHY I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE DEVELOPER IS, WELL, WE'RE NOT BUILDING AND WIDENING THE ROAD BECAUSE THAT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY AS WE WORK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
PUBLIC WORKS HAS, UM, WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS TO KIND OF DETERMINE WHETHER THEY DO IT, WHETHER WE DO IT EITHER WAY, IT'S PAID FOR THROUGH THE IMPACT FEE MONEY.
UH, AND SO THAT'S THE REASON THE DEVELOPER'S NOT DOING THE ARTERIAL, BUT THE CITY IS, AND THAT'LL OCCUR AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IS SORT OF THE SIMPLE ANSWER THERE.
CAN, CAN I ASK ONE? SO IS THAT WHY THEN WE SEE, BECAUSE I SEE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENTS GO IN ALONG COUNTY ROADS AND THE DEVELOPER DOES WIDEN THAT SECTION, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CLEAR OUT IN THE COUNTRY THEY DO WIDEN, PUT IN STREET LIGHTS AND SIDEWALK EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT CONNECTING ANYTHING AT THE TIME.
IS IT BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T ON ARTERIALS? IS THAT WHY THOSE WERE ESSENTIALLY WIDENED AND DONE BY THE DEVELOPER OR THAT WAS THAT DONE BEFORE IMPACT? RIGHT.
SO THERE, THERE, I MEAN, WITHOUT KNOWING SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, YES.
UM, EITHER THE, EITHER THE ROAD IS NOT CLASSIFIED AS AN ARTERIAL, SO IT MIGHT BE A COLLECTOR OR A LOWER ROAD, AND THEREFORE THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBLE TO ENHANCE AND WIDEN THOSE, OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN A DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURRED PRIOR TO THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE.
AND SO UNDER THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THOSE MODIFICATIONS.
UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? YOU SAY AS, AS THE PROJECT BUILDS OUT, THESE ROAD DEVELOPMENTS WILL HAPPEN, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THAT? IS THAT PREORDAINED? AT WHAT POINT A A ROAD WILL BE WIDENED OR A LIGHT WILL BE PUT IN? IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT GET, SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE WORTH US
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HAVING A TRAINING ON A TRAFFIC STUDY AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE.RIGHT? SO ROADS GET GRADED AND, AND THEY HAVE A CLASSIFICATION OF A THROUGH F RIGHT, WHICH IS LIKE YOUR CLASSROOM, RIGHT? AND SO ONCE, UH, THE IDEA IS THAT THE ROAD NEVER REACHES AN F, RIGHT? WE MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS AS NEEDED TO STAY AT A C LEVEL, RIGHT? BUT WE DO HAVE ROADS THAT, UH, THAT MAY REACH THAT F GRADE, RIGHT? AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY GET GRANTS OR THEY, BUT HONESTLY I THINK WE'RE ASKING FAIRLY COMPLICATED QUESTIONS.
AND A AND A TRAFFIC STUDY IS, I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS PROJECT IS ALMOST 300 PAGES OR, AND IT'S, AND IT'S ENGINEER AND IT'S PRETTY TECHNICAL AND WE CERTAINLY CAN GO THROUGH THAT AND DO SOME TRAINING ON ONE, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, AN ENTIRE PUBLIC WORK STAFF THAT I RELY ON TO READ THROUGH THAT AND MAKE SURE, AND, AND I DO PUT INPUT INTO IT IN SOME OF THE GENERAL SECTIONS, RIGHT? FOR CORRECTION.
BUT THEY LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THE DATA IS, IS APPROVED BY THE STAFF, RIGHT? SO OUR ENGINEERING STAFF IS LOOKING AT THEIR, AND, AND THEY'VE APPROVED THE, THEY'VE AGREED TO THEIR TRAFFIC PLAN.
SO, AND, AND INCREMENTALLY, LIKE THERE'S NO SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME THAT THEY DO KIND OF PROJECT ONE OUT.
SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS GOING TO LOOK AT COMPLETE BUILD OUT OF THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION, NOT JUST THIS PHASE AS WELL.
AND THEN IT'S LOOKING AT OTHER INDICATORS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRING.
THE LANGUAGE THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL USE AND THE PUBLIC WORKS WILL USE WHEN YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT A TIMEFRAME WILL BE WHEN WARRANTED.
SO PUBLIC WORKS, BMPO, THOSE WHO DEAL WITH, UM, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT DO VEHICLE COUNTS CONTINUALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY ALL THE TIME.
AND SO THEY'RE CONTINUALLY LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THOSE VEHICLE TRIPS ARE, HOW MANY CARS ARE GOING THROUGH THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
AND WHEN THEY MEET AER WARRANT, THEN THAT'S WHEN THAT INTERSECTION GETS ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS OR YOU WOULD SEE A ACTUAL TRAFFIC LIGHT INSTALLED.
AND SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFIC IN CHOOSING A, A TIMEFRAME OR A YEAR OR A DATE BECAUSE IT REALLY HAPPENS WHEN IT'S WARRANTED.
AND THERE COULD BE OTHER OUTSIDE, UM, IMPACTS THAT ARE OCCURRING ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY THAT WOULD ALSO MAKE THAT WARRANT HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER OR LATER THAN SOONER JUST DEPENDING ON, ON HOW THE GROWTH GOES.
BUT I, I WOULD SUGGEST SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WE GET THAT PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE ABOUT TRAFFIC AND, AND WE'RE SORT OF, UH, AT LEAST I AM A LITTLE BIT IN THE DARK AS TO EXACTLY HOW THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE AND, AND WHAT OUR ROLE IN IT IS.
SO I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ANY INFORMATION ATTORNEY MY MERIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ANY DISCUSSION ON YOUR CONDITION? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UH, I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR RIVER HOLLOW AT SAGE LAKES DIVISION ONE TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
[3. PLT24-052: FINAL PLAT for Ivywood Division No. 8. S ½ of the NW ¼ of Section 12, Township 1 North, Range 37 East. Located north of W 81st S, east of S 15th W, south of Montezuma Street, west of S 9th W. ¹ ]
UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE.I ASSUME THE EXTRA PAPER ON MY DESK IS TO REPLACE THE FIRST PAGE IN THE PACKET.
I HEAR, UM, INFORMATION OR REPORT ON FINAL CLOUD ITEM? SAME APPLICANT, SORRY.
UH, NEIL HUMP, EAGLE ROCK ENGINEERING 1331 FREMONT AVENUE REPRESENTING ROCKWELL HOMES.
UM, SO YEAH, SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE EWOOD SUBDIVISION.
UH, I LOCATED SOUTH OF 65TH SOUTH AND WEST OF, UH, FIFTH WEST.
SO OPPOSITE SIDE OF TOWN THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THIS SUBDIVISION WILL BE DEPENDENT UPON THE BUILD OUT OF DIVISION FIVE, WHICH IS KIND OF PROVIDING THAT BACKBONE STRUCTURE TO THE WESTERN PORTION OF, UH, IVY WOOD.
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FAMILY.UM, WE HAVE 25 LOTS, UM, PROPOSED AND ALL BUILDABLE, UM, WITH RESIDENCES.
UH, R ONE ZONING, UM, APPROXIMATELY EIGHT ACRES.
YEAH, THIS ONE'S PRETTY, PRETTY DRY.
UM, WE'RE PROBABLY ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS THOUGH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, I THINK WE'RE FAMILIAR.
WE'LL HEAR FROM, UM, YES, SO THAT PAGE IS TO REPLACE YOUR FIRST PAGE.
THERE WERE JUST SOME ERRORS IN THE ZONING, UM, AT THE TOP.
SO, UM, I WOULD, DIVISION EIGHT IS ALL R ONE WITH SINGLE DWELLING RESIDENTIAL.
AND I ORIGINALLY HAD THAT, THERE WAS ALSO SOME
UH, BUT THE REQUESTED ACTION TONIGHT IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLA PROVIDED WITH DIVISION EIGHT TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS ANN ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2006.
UM, ALONG WITH THE REST OF THIS, THIS WHOLE AREA WEST OF THIS CANAL RIGHT HERE, UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED R ONE, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
IT WAS REZONED IN 2018, REVAMPED TO OUR NEW SINGLE DWELLING RESIDENTIAL ZONE, UM, IN, AGAIN IN 2018.
A PRELIMINARY PLA WAS APPROVED IN 2023, UM, AFTER THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS COMPLETE AND THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 65TH SOUTH AND 15TH WEST WERE AGREED TO BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPER.
UM, AS, UH, I MENTIONED THERE ARE 25 GABLE LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 8.167 ACRES, UH, WITH A DENSITY OF APPROXIMATELY EIGHT ACRES OR EIGHT LOTS OR THREE LOTS PER ACRE, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF OF WHAT IS ALLOWED IN OUR ONE ZONE.
EACH LOT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WITH LOT FRONTAGE AND BLOCK LENGTH.
UM, ACCESS TO THE SUBDIVISION WILL COME FROM A WOOD DIVISION FIVE, UM, AND IS DEPENDENT ON THE IMPROVEMENTS OF A WOOD FIVE TO BE COMPLETE, UM, IN ORDER, UH, TO DEVELOP IN DIVISION EIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL THE SAME DEVELOPER.
UM, THE, THE DEVELOPER MAY BOND FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND STILL START BUILDING AND SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES, BUT NO OCCUPANCY WILL BE ISSUED FOR ANY OF THE HOMES UNTIL ALL OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETE AND ACCEPTED BY PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, SO IT IS VERY DEPENDENT ON DIVISION FIVE IMPROVEMENTS, ESPECIALLY THIS EXIT OR THIS EXIT ON 15 WEST, UM, BEFORE ANY OF THIS WE BUILT OUT.
UM, THIS MAP IS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU CONTEXT OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.
UM, BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THOUGH THAT I, WITH FIVE HAS RECORDED AND YOU CAN NOW SEE THOSE LOTS IN THE STREET THAT WE'RE IN, UM, UH, ON THE MAP NOW.
UH, SO THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR IS NOW
UM, YEAH, SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES MAKES THE AREA SUBURBAN, UM, WHICH IS MAINLY SINGLE DWELLING RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, THAT HAS GOOD VEHICLE ACCESS TO KIDS SERVICES.
UH, THE STAFF HAS APPROVED THE FINAL PLA, REVIEWED THE FINAL, FINAL PLA AND FIND THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND APPLIES TO THE SUBDIVISION AND ZONING ORDINANCES AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF I MEMBER.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, THANK YOU.
ANY MOTIONS? COMMISSIONER SCOTT, I, I MOVE THAT WILL YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL FLAT FOR I DIVISION NUMBER EIGHT AS PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR OF STATE COUNCIL? THANK YOU.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[4. PLT24-054: FINAL PLAT for Park Place Division No. 8. SE ¼ of Section 1, Township 1 North, Range 37 East. Located north of Brigham Drive, east of the Butte Arm Canal, south of W 49th S, west of the Gustafson Lateral. ¹ ]
YOU.ITEM FOUR FINAL FLAGS FOR PARK PLACE DIVISION NUMBER EIGHT.
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UM, JUSTIN SCOTT AT, UH, 21 9 4 STATE RIVER PARKWAY WITH OX ENGINEERS.UM, SO TONIGHT WE'VE GOT THE, UH, PARK PLACE DIVISION NUMBER EIGHT FINAL PLAT, UM, ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
UM, DIVISION NUMBER EIGHT IS WE'LL HAVE ACCESS OFF OF MAGGIE DRIVE.
UH, MAGGIE DRIVE IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, UM, AND SERVICES AND FUNCTIONS TO, UM, COLLECT TRAFFIC AND NEVER OUT TO 65TH SOUTH.
UM, THIS DIVISION NUMBER EIGHT, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR WE CAME PRESENTED IN AMENDED PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE PARK PLACE SUBDIVISION, UM, WITH AND INCREASED THE DENSITY FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED.
UM, AND DIVISION NUMBER EIGHT, UH, IT'S THE PLAT CONSISTS OF ABOUT 6.7 ACRES, UM, WITH A TOTAL OF 26 LOTS, UM, 25 WHAT WE BUILDABLE AND ONE WILL NOT BE BUILDABLE.
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE CANAL LOT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS.
UM, AS FAR AS YEAH, TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC, YEAH, TRAFFIC CONNECTS OUT ONTO MAGGIE.
UM, SEWER WATER ARE READILY AVAILABLE FROM MAGGIE DRIVE AND, UM, I, I TAKE THAT BACK.
SEWER WILL ACTUALLY CONNECT, UH, LOOP THROUGH AND CONNECT BACK AROUND TO UM, DIVISION NUMBER SEVEN, UH, OVER THERE OFF OF, UM, A CRAIG DRIVE.
UM, THERE'S A, A CITY LIST STATION THERE KIND OF IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THAT PICTURE.
UM, SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK.
SO SEWER WILL, WILL WRAP UP AND AROUND, UM, INTO WHAT WOULD BE DIVISION NUMBER NINE ON THE PRELIMINARY FLAG CONNECT TO, AND WHICH IT ALL ENDS UP AT THIS LIST STATION HERE.
UM, SO, UH, LAWS COMPLY WITH THE R ONE ZONE, UM, FOR, UM, RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.
UM, AND WITH THAT I SHOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THANK YOU.
SO, UH, THE REQUESTED ACTION TONIGHT IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF FINAL PLOT FOR PARK PLACE DIVISION NUMBER EIGHT TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THIS IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH IU AND DIVISION EIGHT.
IT'S LITERALLY JUST SOUTH OF 65TH FROM THIS PROPERTY OR THIS PROJECT, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, PARK PLACE HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A WHILE NOW.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE ON DIVISION EIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEX BACK IN 2003 WITH AN INITIAL ZONING OF R ONE, WHICH IS FOR UM, SINGLE DWELLING RESIDENTIAL.
UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN JUNE OF 2021 AND MS. SCOTT MENTIONED IT WAS AMENDED AND, AND APPROVED, UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO, EARLIER THIS YEAR I THINK IT WAS.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY FOR THIS DIVISION IS APPROXIMATELY, WELL IT'S JUST A LITTLE OVER SIX AND A HALF ACRES.
UM, AS MENTIONED THERE ARE 26 PROPOSED LOTS, 25 OF 20 OF THOSE 26 LOTS WILL BE BUILDABLE.
UM, LET'S SEE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WAS DONE WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE FINAL PLAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS PRESENTED BACK IN UH, 2021.
UM, THE LOTS WILL ACCESS INTERNAL STREETS.
UM, THERE IS A DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY, UH, STREET NETWORK WITHIN PARK PLACE.
UM, AND THOSE RIDES OF WAYS WILL EVENTUALLY END UP, UM, OUT ON A COUPLE, WELL, ON ONE ARTERIAL STREET.
SORRY, I THOUGHT I HAD A BETTER SLIDE HERE.
OKAY, SO YEAH, SO THE INTERNAL STREETS FOR DIVISION A WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD DOWN TO THE STREET NETWORK THAT WAS WITHIN THE OTHER DIVISIONS AND THE, AND THE PRELIMINARY APPLIED DOWN INTO 65TH.
UM, AS SCOTT MENTIONED, ALL OF THE LOTS ARE, UH, WITHIN THE STANDARD OF THE R ONE ZONING.
UH, STREET FRONTAGE IS ALSO WITHIN THAT STANDARD AND BLOCK LENGTHS ARE ALSO WITHIN THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE FINAL PLOT AND FINDS THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, SUPERVISION AND ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS CONSISTENT
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WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLA.AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
IS THE COMMON LOT THE FAR WEST EDGE, THIS, THIS CORN SIDE PIECE HERE OR WHAT? THAT ONE YEAH.
YEAH, I WAS GOING BACK TO IT'S, UH, YEAH, ALONG THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A COMMON AREA, BUT HOW IS, THAT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE FOR
THE, THE CANAL SHOWS ON THE CONNECTING OUR COMMUNITIES PLAN FOR FUTURE PATHWAYS.
SO THE INTENT THERE WAS TO RESERVE RIGHT AWAY FOR FUTURE EXTENSION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, ANY CONVERSATION OR CON UH, DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION? MR. SCOTT? I, I GUESS I JUST, UH, MAYBE SHOULD HAVE ASKED, UM, STAFF OF THIS, BUT THE, THE PLAT SHOWS MAGGIE DRIVE AND TATE WAY EXTENDING 'CAUSE OF NORTH AND I, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT PRESUMABLY ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC WILL BE FUNNELED ONTO 65TH BY A MAGGIE DRIVE.
AND IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD ALSO BE TRUE OF ANYTHING THAT'S DEVELOPED NORTH OF THIS.
I'M JUST, UM, UH, SORT OF THINKING AHEAD IN TERMS OF WHAT KIND OF, UM, SITUATION WE'RE GONNA HAVE GOING THROUGH THESE SOUTHERN PARTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ONTO 65TH AT THIS TIME WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING BEING DEVELOPED FURTHER NORTH THAN THAT.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT IF THERE WERE ANYTHING DEVELOPED ALONG FIFTH WEST, WE WOULD REQUIRE, UM, SOME TYPE OF, UH, STREET NETWORK TO EXTEND OVER INTO FIFTH WEST AS WELL.
UM, SO ACROSS THE CANAL OVER TO, TO THE EAST IS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? YES, CORRECT.
BECAUSE I MEAN IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE WAY THAT THIS IS DRAWN AND IS TO GULF NORTH OF THIS AS WELL.
UM, NO DISCUSSION WILL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS.
I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR PARK PLACE DIVISION NUMBER EIGHT TO THE MAYOR AND STATE COUNCIL.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[5. PLT24-055: FINAL PLAT for Aspen Meadows Division No. 2. NW ¼ of Section 32, Township 3 North, Range 38 East. Located north of E 49th S, east of N 5th E, south of E 65th N, west of Derek Lane. ¹]
NUMBER FIVE, UH, FINAL PLAT FOR ASPEN MILLER, DIVISION TWO C.GENERALLY WITH HIV 1 0 1 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, PINE FALLS.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF 65TH NORTH AND EAST OF THE FIFTIES.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED LC AND R THREE, UH, THIS BLACK WE ARE DOING 12 LOTS.
SIMPLE PLAN IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THOSE, THOSE LOTS ARE, UM, ON THE SOUTH SOUTHERN END.
THAT, THAT ROAD CAN RUN IN NORTH SOUTH DIVIDING LANE.
THE ROAD RUNNING NORTH, SOUTH CANON LANE IS BASICALLY THE DIVIDING LINE IN THE ZONE, RIGHT? AND THEN SOUTH, THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE IS THE OTHER ZONE, THE EASTERN ZONE YOU GOTTA POINT OVER HERE FOR SOME REASON IT'S LIKE THINKING, THERE YOU GO.
SO THIS IS R THREE OVER HERE, RIGHT? AND EVERYTHING WEST OF THAT, THAT ROAD IS THE LC, RIGHT? SO THE SOUTHERN LOTS ARE LC.
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UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RELEVANT OR NOT, BUT THESE LOTS ON THE SUTER END ALONG ASPEN MEADOWS DRIVE.I KNOW IT'S LC, BUT I KNOW LC IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S JUST R THREE A.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO BUILD R THREE A RESIDENT? I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS CAN YOU BUILD RESIDENTIAL ON THESE SOUTHERN LOTS RIGHT HERE? OR ARE THEY INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL? THEY CAN BE RESIDENTIAL AT ALL.
LIKE THE SIZE OF THEM WILL STILL ALLOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
THE REQUESTED ACTION FOR THIS ONE IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL THOUGHT FOR THAT DIVISION.
NUMBER TWO, THE MARIN CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN THE CITY IN 2023 WITH INITIAL ZONING OF R THREE.
UM, MAKE MULTI-DWELLING RESIDENTIAL.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE WEST OF CANON LAKE, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED BY APPLICANT ALREADY, UM, WAS REZONED TO LC EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, A PRELIMINARY CLOUD WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST AUGUST AND IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH TECHNICAL REVIEW BY CITY STAFF.
THE, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ON THE LC AND R THREE AND THE FINAL PLA INCLUDES 12 BILLABLE LOTS AND APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES.
FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON ER'S QUESTION, UM, THESE LOCKS, THE, THE R THREE A ZONE IN LC ALLOWS FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR SINGLE DWELLING DETACHED, SINGLE UNIT DETACHED DWELLS.
SO THESE CAN BE BUILT AS DUPLEXES OR FOUR PLEXES OR IF THEY WANTED TO DO A LARGER ROLL ROUTE.
UM, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S DESIGNED.
UM, BUT THE R THREE ZONE IS QUITE FLEXIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL.
IT CAN BE A SMALLER SCALE OR A LARGER SCALE JUST DEPENDING ON HOW THE LOTS ARE DESIGNED AND SET UP.
UM, ACCESS WILL COME FROM THE EXTENSION, UM, AS THE METAL STRIKE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A CONTEXT MAP HERE, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT TOO, BUT THIS WAS DIVISION ONE.
UM, AND IF YOU RECALL, UH, ASPEN MEADOWS DRIVE IS GONNA COME IN, UM, APPROXIMATELY RIGHT HERE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE OR ASPEN MEADOWS DRIVE IS GONNA BE BUILT AS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, UH, WITH A 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WEIGHT.
AND CANNON LANE WILL BE A, UM, ALSO A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR.
UH, SO BOTH GOING NORTH AND SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST WILL BE 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WAYS, UM, TO ALLOW FOR A TRAFFIC SLOPE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION.
ALL ASK THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE STANDARDS OF THE LC AND R THREE ZONES.
UM, PUBLIC UTILITIES WILL BE AC ACCESSED THROUGH ASPEN MEADOWS, DIVISION NUMBER ONE AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR ASPEN MEADOWS DIVISION NUMBER ONE.
UM, IN ORDER, UH, FOR ASPEN DIVISION TWO TO BE CONSTRUCTED AGAIN IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S THE SAME.
UH, IT'S, I GUESS RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW, BUT CURRENTLY THE IDEA IS IT'S THE SAME DEVELOPER.
UM, AND SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BOND FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN DIVISION ONE, BUT EVERYTHING WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETED IN ORDER TO OBTAIN OCCUPANCY IN DIVISION TWO.
UM, THE CONFIDENTIAL PLAN DESIGNATE THE AREA GENERAL URBAN, WHICH NOTES RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND SERVICE USES, CONVENIENCE RESIDENTS, RESIDENCES, UH, BOTH THE LC, OUR FREE ZONES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL URBAN TRANSECT, UH, ALLOWING FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND THE HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME COMMERCIAL USES PERMITTED IN THE LC ZONE.
UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE CO WILL NEED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE R THREE RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE.
SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE FINAL PLAN AND FINDS THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND RECOMMENDED AS ASPEN METHOD NUMBER TWO AND
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ANSWER QUESTIONS.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.
ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THE COMMISSION? LOOK STRAIGHT FORWARD.
UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT OKAY.
UM, WE APPROVE THE FINAL PLA FOR
A ROLL CALL VOTE COMMISSIONER STORE.
[6. PLAT22-038: FINAL PLAT for Snake River West Division No. 1, EXTENSION. 8.590 acres in the SW ¼ of Section 24, Township 2 North, Range 37 East. Located north of the Porter Canal, east of Pioneer Road, south of Interstate 15, west of Snake River Parkway. ¹]
NEXT UP WE HAVE FINAL CLAP FOR SINK RIVER WEST DIVISION NUMBER ONE EXTENSION.SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT, EXCUSE ME.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FINAL PLA FOR SNAKE RIVER WEST IN DECEMBER 6TH, 2022.
SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE, RIGHT? THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF STANDING UP A, AN HERD OR AN URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT AND THAT IS WHAT IS PUTTING THIS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLOSE TO STANDING THAT UP, SO THEY WANT TO HAVE ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW AS WELL AS THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE BRIDGE ON WHITEWATER RIGHT.
SO THIS IS ALL BASICALLY ASKING YOU TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, GIVEN THE EXTENSION AND THEIR APPLICATION BASED ON 2022.
NOW I CAN GO OVER SOME OF THE SPECIFICS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT IS A TOTAL OF ONE LOT IT, THEIR PLANNING ON MULTIPLE BUILDINGS.
THERE ARE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UH, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST SEEKING THE ONE LOT, NO COMMON LOTS.
UM, LET'S SEE, IT'S A MIXED USE CENTER IN CORRIDOR WITH THE CC OVERLAY OR NOT THE CC OVERLAY, THE CC ZONE.
AND UH, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT THERE'S A FAIRLY COMPLEX ROAD NETWORK HERE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO, UH, DEVELOP THAT ALL OUT.
AND BECAUSE OF THE SINGLE SIDE IN THIS, THE SINGLE LOADED, THEY CAN'T PUT LOTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
IT GETS REALLY EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP THE ROAD AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE SEEKING THE HERD.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, THE COST OF THE BRIDGE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS ONE COME TO AN END HOPEFULLY HERE SOON.
SO I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT SINCE 2022.
UM, SO ANYWAYS, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR THE STAFF OR JUST A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.
SO IT, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE ROAD, THE PIONEER ROAD RIGHT NOW, JUST NORTH OF THE EVENT CENTER, NORTHEAST OF THE EVENT CENTER, WHEN YOU GET THERE, THE ONLY DIRECTION YOU CAN GO IS EITHER SOUTH OR NORTH IF YOU'RE COMING GOING EAST, RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE PART OF THIS PROJECT OR PART OF THE HERD WILL BE TO PUT IN A BRIDGE TO CONNECT WHITEWATER AT DEAD ENDS OF THE CANAL OVER THE CANAL AND INTO THAT.
SO THAT'LL BECOME MORE OF LIKE ALMOST A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION ALMOST.
SO IT'LL IMPROVE THE STREET NETWORK IN THAT AREA.
SO YOU'RE NOT ONLY OPTIONS ARE EITHER GOING NORTH OR SOUTHWEST NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE OPEN A, ESPECIALLY WHEN A TON OF PEOPLE LEAVE THE EVENT CENTER ALL AT THE SAME TIME, IT GETS ONE MORE OPTION FOR DIRECTION FOR PEOPLE TO GO.
SO IT'S GOOD SOMEBODY EVER LEAVES THE EVENTS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO SO THAT CONNECTION, UM, THAT CONNECTS THROUGH TO PIONEER, IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE, THE CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THIS LOT, CORRECT.
SO THAT THAT CONNECTION RIGHT THERE, IT, IT WILL HAPPEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND THEY'LL DEVELOP OUT THE ROAD FOR THE ENTIRETY OF WHITE WATER AND UH, PIONEER.
SO THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
SO QUESTION, AND I KNOW AGAIN WE MIGHT HAVE A TRAINING ABOUT THIS.
SO BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN ARTERIAL PIONEER
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IS NOT AN ARTERIAL, THE CITY IS REQUIRING THE DEVELOPER TO WHITEN THAT SECTION.CORRECT? IS THAT JUST IN LAYMAN TERMS? LIKE I KNOW THERE'S ALL THESE SO I'M JUST TRYING TO RUN PROCESS.
I LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT MAPS AND IT NOT A ARTERIAL CORRECT.
OR, OR IT IS CORRECT BECAUSE SO ON ONE MAP WE HAD IT AS AN ARTERIAL, IT'S BEEN CORRECTED, SO THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE REASON IT'S BEING IMPROVED BY THE SO IN, IN BY THE DEVELOPER IS BECAUSE OF THE HERD AND OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS THEY CAN GET RE REPAYMENT FOR THAT THROUGH THE TAX INCREMENTAL FINANCING.
SO TIFFS ARE EXTREMELY COMPLICATED.
TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE PRETTY COMPLICATED AND THIS IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
BUT SO IS ONE REASON THEY'RE DOING THE HERB FUNNY NAME, UH, IS BECAUSE THE CITY WAS REQUIRING THEM TO WIDEN A SECTION, BUT IT WAS GONNA BE TOO COST PROHIBITIVE TO DO THE WIDENING WITHOUT THE HERD? CORRECT? EXACTLY.
OKAY, SO SO LET'S SAY THE HERB, THE IS IRRELEVANT IF THIS WAS ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY, BUT SAME TYPE OF ROAD CLASSIFICATION AND WHATEVER, UM, THE CITY WOULD MAKE THEM WIPE THIS SECTION? CORRECT.
BUT THIS IS ROAD, THIS IS SINGLE SIDED AND SO THE HERB HELPS BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS WOULD SIT VACANT, THIS LAND HAS SET, RIGHT? NO.
AND WOULD CONTINUE TO SIT VACANT WITHOUT LIKELY THE ASSISTANCE OF THE BIRD? NO, FOR SURE.
I I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MEMORIZE IN WHAT CASES DOES X, Y, AND Z HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE NEED LIKE A FLOW CHART.
IF THIS, THEN THIS, IF THIS THEN YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE RIGHT.
AND EVEN THEN I KNOW THERE'S SOME TECHNICALITY LIKE WELL MAYBE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE ASIDE FROM THE ERR, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IN WHAT CASE DOES, DO THEY WIDEN AND THIS MAKES SENSE.
SO ANYTHING BELOW AN ARTERIAL YEAH.
ON OUR STREET CLASSIFICATIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, DO THEY STILL REQUIRE IMPACT FEES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOO? OR THEM WIDENING THAT ROAD COUNTS TOWARDS THEIR IMPACT FEES? SO THEY PAY IMPACT FEES AT A DIFFERENT RATE OKAY.
SO I WANT TO SAY THEY WERE PAYING $3,000 SOMEWHERE AROUND 3,500 FOR THIS BECAUSE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IMPACT FEES, PAY FOR STREETS, UH, POLICE, AMBULANCE AND PARK.
'CAUSE SINCE THEY'RE WIDENING THAT SECTION, THEN THEY, THEY'LL PAY THEIR FULL IMPACT FEE.
THERE'S NO CREDIT GIVEN FOR THE ROADWAY WIDENING BECAUSE IT'S A COLLECTOR, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO WIDE ROAD.
I KNOW THIS IS GETTING IN THE WEEDS, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO LEARN, SO, OKAY.
YOU ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM HERE? ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, I HEAR A DISCUSSION ON THE COMMISSION.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION COURT.
UM, I RECOMMEND, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL TO THE MAYOR OF CITY COUNCIL BE I GUESS THE EXTENSION OF STATE FOR, UH, WEST PROJECT.
HOW WOULD SAY THAT DIVISION NUMBER ONE.
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LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME MISCELLANEOUS PLANNING COMMISSION TRAINING.SO WE THOUGHT SINCE WE HAD A LITTLE SHORTER AGENDA TONIGHT THAT WE'D TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU BEING CAPTIVE HERE, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, AND MAYBE RUN THROUGH JUST A COUPLE THINGS FOR YOU AS A GROUP SINCE WE RARELY GET TO DO SOME OF THIS.
UM, WE'LL KEEP IT SHORT AND BRIEF.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, ONE THING THAT I DID WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE OF, UH, AND THAT WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IS THE AREA OF IMPACT.
SO THE AREA OF IMPACT IS, UM, AN IMAGINARY LINE THAT SHOWS SORT OF WHERE THE CITY WILL POTENTIALLY GROW IN THE FUTURE.
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COLLABORATE WITH BON HILL COUNTY ON THAT AREA OF IMPACT LINE.UM, ALTHOUGH THE STATE STATUTE RECENTLY CHANGED A YEAR AGO AND IT USED TO BE MORE COLLABORATIVE, NOW IT'S REALLY JUST BONNEVILLE COUNTY TELLS US WHERE OUR LINE'S GOING TO BE.
UH, THEY DO ASK FOR INPUT AND WE, UH, HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM FOR THE LAST YEAR HAVING GENERAL CONVERSATIONS, UH, ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY JUST SORT OF TELL US WHERE IT IS AND, AND HOW IT'S, SO, UM, WE DO HAVE THAT LINE WORK NOW THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVED OUR AREA OF IMPACT.
UM, I THINK IN OCTOBER, THE PRIOR AREA OF IMPACT BEFORE THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED IN 2013, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
UM, SO WE USE IT TO TRY TO, UM, FIGURE OUT GROWTH.
UM, THE COUNTY USES IT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE A CITY MIGHT BE GROWING, UM, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND THE OTHER SORT OF MAIN THING WITH THE AREA OF IMPACT LINE IS THAT THE CITY CAN INITIATE ANNEXATION PROCEEDINGS ON A PARCEL IF IT'S WITHIN OUR AREA OF IMPACT WITHOUT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S REQUEST.
UM, AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE SORT OF MAIN REASONS FOR AN AREA OF IMPACT LINE BEYOND THE LAND USE PLANET REASONS FOR IT.
UM, SO THE ORANGE LINE THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE AREA OF IMPACT LINE THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAYBE RUN AROUND THE MAP A LITTLE BIT JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS.
IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC AREAS OR YOU NEED ME TO ZOOM IN OUT, I CAN DO THAT WITHOUT MAKING YOU TOO SIT, I THINK.
UM, JUST LET ME KNOW AND, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC AREAS AND IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT GROWTH OR WHY THIS OR WHY THAT WE CAN ANSWER TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
SO, UH, WE'LL START HERE UP IN THE NORTH, UH, RIVER HOLLOW, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT.
'CAUSE HERE IN THIS ORANGE R TWO, CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT? YEP.
SORRY, IT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU THAN IT IS ME.
ISN'T IT THERE? IS THAT BETTER? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT ORANGE LINE'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THESE BIGGER SCREENS.
SO, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY AT THE LINE OF 65TH AND THEN NORTH, UM, OF 65TH.
UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN A COLOR IS WHAT'S ALREADY ZONED AND IN THE CITY.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE JUST SEEING, THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY, THAT IS WHAT'S STILL EXISTING IN, IN BONHAM COUNTY.
UM, SO THAT LINE IS EXTENDED, UM, ALL THE WAY OUT TO HIGHWAY 20.
UM, WE'LL INCLUDE THE INTERSECT, THE INTERCHANGE, UM, AT 15TH EAST.
UH, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS CRITICAL JUST BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, THE REROUTE OF US 20 WITH H TWO, IF THAT'S WHAT'S CHOSEN, THEN WE THINK THAT THAT INTERSECTION WILL BECOME KEY AND WE'LL POTENTIALLY SEE A LOT OF GROWTH.
UH, WE'RE ALREADY SEEING A FAIR AMOUNT OF GROWTH IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN JUST MOVING OVER TO, UM, 25TH STREET ARE WHAT WE LIKE TO REFER TO AS THE DEMI, THE DE MILITARIES ZONE.
AND, AND THAT'S SORT OF OUR BOUNDARIES.
AND, UM, SO THAT 25TH EAST, UH, REMAINS TO BE THAT KIND OF TIGHT BOUNDARY.
UM, AS WE MOVE FURTHER SOUTH ALONG THE THE CITY, THEN, I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST SEE THAT THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'VE GROWN, GROWN RIGHT UP TO IT.
THE INTENTION IS NOT THAT TO CROSS, TO CROSS THAT LINE EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH MAYBE BE, MIGHT BE THE REASON THERE'S A GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT TO WHAT IS THE, THE RIGHT SPOT.
THAT, THAT WAS THE, UH, CHECKPOINT CHARLIE EVENT.
THERE'S ALWAYS HISTORY, RIGHT? WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WAY.
SO, UH, IT DOES STAY FAIRLY TIGHT.
UM, AND THEN AS WE GET DOWN TO SANDY DOWNS, UM, YOU'RE SEEING IT BASICALLY JUST KIND OF SQUARE OFF WITH 73RD SOUTH.
WHAT ROAD IS THAT? SQUIGGLY ROAD? IS THAT 65TH? THAT'S 65TH SOUTH.
UH, WE GOT SANDY DOWNS HERE AND THEN, UM, THE GOLF COURSE NORTH OF THAT.
SO 65TH SOUTH IS THE SNAKES THROUGH THERE.
UM, I DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR THIS BECAUSE ALL OF THIS AREA SOUTH OF 65TH HAS BEEN FLOODPLAIN.
AND I DON'T WANT ANY FLOODPLAIN COMING TO THE CITY BECAUSE I'M A
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FLOODPLAIN MANAGER FOR THE CITY.UM, I JUST DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THAT.
SO I MIGHT BE THE ONE OPPOSING VOTE IF WE SEE ANNEXATIONS COME FORWARD IN THIS AREA,
UM, BUT THERE IS SOME FLOODPLAIN THAT AMMOND HAS TO DEAL WITH, UM, FURTHER TO THE EAST.
UM, THEY HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S, IT'S NICE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE SAME CHALLENGES.
IF YOU ZOOM INTO THAT CORNER, JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, SEE THOSE PADS, THOSE SIX PADS RIGHT THERE, UH, TO THE RIGHT.
SO I KNOW THAT'S BON COUNTY, BUT THE DEVELOPER WHO MADE THAT LITTLE TINY NEIGHBORHOOD, HE HAD TO BRING IN DIRT AND MADE THOSE LITTLE PADS THERE TO PUT HOUSES ON BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOOD.
SO HE TAKEN OUT WHAT? YEAH, HE HADN'T TAKEN, HE HAD TO ELEVATE THE HOME TO GIVE IT OUTTA OUTSIDE.
SO TO EVEN SELL THE LOTS, HE HAD TO BE LIKE, OKAY, SO, SO THEY BIGGER.
SO THE LOT ISN'T JUST THAT SQUARE, IT'S BIGGER THAN THE SQUARE, BUT HE'S JUST SUGGESTING THAT'S WHERE HIS HOUSE WOULD GO.
SO IF WE ANNEXED ANYTHING IN THE CITY IN THE FLOODPLAIN, YES.
THAT TYPE OF THING WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN.
YOU'RE DEALING WITH ELEVATION CERTIFICATES AND FLOODPLAIN AND FLOOD PROOFING WITH THE HOUSING CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S ALMOST COST PROHIBITIVE.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND WHAT PROBABLY WOULD TAKE PLACE, THAT DEVELOPER DID WHAT'S CALLED A, A COMAR, A CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP AMENDMENT OR REVISION.
SO HE TOOK A PLOT OF THAT SOIL ELEVATED ENOUGH TO TAKE IT OUT.
OR ANOTHER OPTION IS THEY JUST BUILD A FLOOD PLANE, TWO FEET OR A FOOT ABOVE BV AND PAY FLOOD INSURANCE.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES IN IDAHO FALLS.
ALL OF OUR FLOOD ZONES ARE REALLY THE SNAKE RIVER AND THE SNAKE RIVERS.
SO CHANNELIZED AND DEEP AND DEEP.
IT MAKES IT REALLY EASY TO BE, WE'RE BLESSED.
SO, UM, BUT OF INTEREST, THE STATE, THE FEDERAL, SORRY, FEMA, FEMA HAS ACTUALLY JUST DONE NEW LIDAR MAPPING OF OUR FLOODPLAINS.
UM, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE RELEASED IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
UM, BUT IT'S VERY DETAILED AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SUPER BENEFICIAL.
SOME AREAS THAT WE'RE SHOWN IN A FLOODPLAIN NOW WILL BE TAKEN OUT JUST BECAUSE THE ADVANCE IN TECHNOLOGY IS SUCH THAT WE, WE CAN MAP THINGS BETTER.
WELL, AND NOW WE HAVE THE RIDER AM RIGHT.
UM, SO AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO MANAGE THAT.
UM, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING REALLY, UH, LONG 73RD SOUTH.
UM, SO YOU'RE, WHAT'S THAT LITTLE CARROT THERE? CAN YOU YEAH, CAN YOU ZOOM IN RIGHT THERE? THAT'S JUST A PROPERTY.
SO THAT PARCEL, YOU COULD SEE THERE'S VEGETATION HERE.
THERE'S A CANAL, A CRIP THAT RUNS ALONG THAT PARCEL LINE.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S, THEY COME TOGETHER HERE.
SO IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT PARCEL, IT'S ONE WHOLE PARCEL.
SO RATHER THAN TO DIVIDE A PARCEL THAT, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN A ROAD RIGHT THERE, THAT'S JUST A PROBLEM IN JUST, YEP.
SO 73RD DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH 70.
IT ACTUALLY STOPPED RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND 73RD HERE, THIS IS THE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE SANDY DOWNS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COUNTY'S FOUR H COMPLEX OR THE MM-HMM.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, WE'RE MOVING ALONG 65TH.
THIS 73RD SOUTH REALLY IS SORT OF THE LAST AREA WHEN WE'VE DONE OUR, UM, STUDY OF WHAT THE CITY CAN SEWER, UM, WITH GRAVITY FEED BACK TO THE, THE TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, YOU'RE REALLY THERE AT 73RD, IF WE GO MUCH FURTHER SOUTH THAN THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL LIFT STATIONS AND, UM, PRESSURE WISE LINES, ET CETERA.
UM, SO THAT'S SOME OF WHAT'S GOING INTO THAT LINE BEING THERE.
AND THAT'S REALLY, RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY IN LARGE MEASURE, WHAT IS HOLDING GROWTH BACK IN THE SOUTH, BECAUSE THE SOUTH USED TO BE FAIRLY ACTIVE, UM, REALLY IS SEWER CAPACITY.
UM, ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, VICTORY RANCH AND ALL OF THE SAMS, THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SAND SUBDIVISIONS OVER HERE, SANDPOINT SAND CREEK, RIGHT.
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AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE SUNNYSIDE TRUNK LINE BACK TO THE TREATMENT PLANT WHEN IT COMES TO SEWER.SO WE'RE NEARING CAPACITY IN THOSE SEWER LIFT STATIONS, UM, AS GROWTH IS OCCURRING.
AND THAT'S REALLY KIND OF SLOWING THINGS THERE IN THIS.
SO THAT'S SLOWING DOWN A LOT OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
SO UNTIL SOMEONE BRING, IS WILLING TO INVEST IN MORE LIFT STATIONS AND WHATEVER.
SO THE REAL PLAN, THOSE LONG RANGE SEWER PLANS THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS, THERE'S A GRAVITY FEED LINE, VERY LARGE LINE IN 65TH SOUTH.
UM, THAT RIGHT NOW IS HERE AT, UM, SOUTH POINT, THANK YOU, UM, THAT WILL NEED TO GET EXTENDED TO THE EAST.
UM, AND AS THAT GETS EXTENDED, IT WILL ACTUALLY PICK UP ALL OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THE LONG RANGE PLAN IS THAT EVERYTHING WOULD GRAVITY FEED TO THAT LINE.
AND WE COULD ACTUALLY TAKE SEVERAL LIFT STATIONS OFFLINE BECAUSE THE WHOLE SYSTEM'S BEEN DESIGNED TO GRAVITY LONG TERM.
UM, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MILES OF LAND THERE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO WORK THROUGH TO, TO MAKE THAT FEASIBLE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT SLOW EVERYTHING UP THERE.
LET ME WAIT FOR THE MAP TO CATCH UP WITH ME THEN.
WE'RE BASICALLY RUNNING AGAIN, 73RD ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF IVY WOOD HERE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
NOW, NOW THAT LINE THAT IS NOT 73RD, THAT ROAD DOESN'T EXIST, CORRECT? YEAH.
YOU'RE JUST ROUGHLY IN LINE WITH 73RD.
UM, AND THAT THEN EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO YELLOW OF THE HIGHWAY.
WE'RE THEN COMING BACK UP YELLOWSTONE HIGHWAY, I CAN'T SEE.
YEAH, SO THIS IS THE, THE GRAVEL PIT OPERATION THERE AT 65TH AND YELLOWSTONE.
SO WE'RE COMING ALONG THAT SOUTH SOUTHERN EDGE OF THAT GRAVEL PIT AND THEN UP YELLOWSTONE HIGHWAY, UM, PAST THE INDUSTRIAL PARK THERE SOUTH OF 49TH.
AND THEN WE'RE COMING ACROSS 49TH, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTH OF, IS IT ROSE HILL CEMETERY? CEMETERY, THE CEMETERY.
I'VE NEVER BURIED ANYONE IN OLD FALLS.
I DON'T KNOW THE CEMETERIES, MY BAD.
WELL THEN, UM, THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK WAS ALL DEVELOPED, UH, YEARS AGO IN BONNEVILLE COUNTY.
UM, AND THEY WERE COMING ACROSS 49TH SOUTH OF THE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT.
IS IS GEM LAKE, THAT DEVELOPMENT IS THAT, THAT'S NOT IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S THE ITALIAN SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED OUTSIDE THE CITY.
OF COURSE THE COUNTY WOULDN'T INCLUDE ALL THAT INDUSTRIAL STUFF.
I THINK THAT THE CONSIDERATION THERE, THE CHALLENGE IS I THINK FOR THEM IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ABLE TO ANNEX, I THINK ANNEXATION IS FAIRLY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD THERE, BUT THE CHALLENGE WITH ANNEXATION, AT LEAST IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO A WHOLESALE ANNEXATION OF THE ENTIRE INDUSTRIAL PARK, YOU'RE HAVING TO DO A ONE LOT AT A TIME AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE CONTIGUOUS RIGHT.
AND SO IF YOU END UP WITH A, UM, PROPERTY OWNER IN THE MIDDLE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ANNEXED AND HAVE ACCESS TO CITY UTILITIES, THEY REALLY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THOSE OTHER PERIPHERAL PROPERTIES ANNEX IN ORDER TO BE CONTIGUOUS.
SO, AND SO IT DOES, IT CREATES SOME CHALLENGES FOR ANNEXATION.
YOU ALMOST REALLY WOULD HAVE TO ANNEX THE ENTIRE ALL INDUSTRIAL PARK ALL AT ONCE.
AND I DON'T THINK, AND MAYBE THE COUNTY'S JUST NOT, IT, MAYBE THE COUNTY'S JUST THINKING RIGHT NOW THE CITY JUST ISN'T CLOSE ENOUGH TO DO A BIG ANNEXATION.
WELL, LIKE THE STATE ALSO, UM, LOVINGLY CHANGED THE ANNEXATION LEGISLATION THIS LAST YEAR TOO, AND SET A MUCH HIGHER BAR FOR CITY INITIATED ANNEXATIONS.
UM, AND NOW IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 30 LOTS, UM, IT'S PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE IN ORDER TO TRY TO MANAGE THAT.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS 30 OR MORE LOTS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY ARE WANT TO BE ANNEXED IN ORDER FOR THAT TO OCCUR.
AND SO IT'S A REALLY HIGH BAR TO MEET THAT.
SO THEN, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES, UM, FOR SURE, BUT FROM A LONG RANGE LAND USE PLANNING, UM, IT MAKES SOME SENSE FOR IT TO, TO BE THERE.
NOW WE CAN STILL ANNEX PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THE AREA OF IMPACT IF
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THE LANDOWNER REQUESTS YEAH.AND IT'S CONTIGUOUS, RIGHT? IT STILL HAS TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS OF BEING ADJACENT TO THE CITY AND CONTIGUOUS.
BUT IF THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTS THAT, WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, SO THEN WE'RE COMING UP THE RIVER UP TO REER PARK, UM, AND THEN UP TO SUNNYSIDE AND THEN HEADING WEST, UH, ALONG SUNNYSIDE THE, DOWN THE MIDDLE OF SUNNYSIDE.
SO THOSE PROPERTIES, AGAIN, I THINK THE ISSUE THERE IS THAT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY HAVE MADE IT WELL KNOWN THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING IN THE CITY.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE, THE COUNTY IS RESPONDING TO THAT, UM, THINKING THAT IT WOULD STILL BE HARD TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY FROM A LONG RANGE PLANNING STANDPOINT.
WE HAVE UTILITIES ACTUALLY STUBBED SOUTH OF SUNNYSIDE, AND I MEAN, IT COULD EASILY BE ANNEXED AND SERVICED.
SO, BUT IT IS WHAT IT'S, UM, THEN WHEN WE GET TO I 15, WE HEAD SOUTH AGAIN, UM, TO 49TH AND THEN 49TH OVER TO 35TH WEST, AND THEN WE'RE COMING UP 35TH WEST, KINDA LOOKS LIKE GERRYMANDERING, LIKE THEY DELIBERATELY WENT AROUND THIS AREA AND THEN WENT BACK DOWN AGAIN.
I REALLY THINK THAT FROM THEIR STANDPOINT, FROM THE COUNTY STANDPOINT, IT'S ALL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S VIABLE FOR ANNEXATION.
WELL, I KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, BUT WELL, WE DON'T GET MUCH INPUT BEYOND THAT.
WE NO, I'M, I'M NOT LIKE, I'M LIKE, I KNOW YOU GUYS DO YOUR BEST EVERYTHING.
SO I'M JUST THE ORIGINAL SHUT UP.
THE ORIGINAL PLANS WERE MORE REGARDING SORT OF LONG TERM GROWTH AND HOW WE MANAGE THAT.
BUT, SO THEN, UM, 35TH WEST, UM, BECOMES THAT IMPACT LINE.
WE ARE ACTUALLY NEARING SOME SEWER CAPACITY ISSUES ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN AS WELL.
UM, IT'S HERE, IT IS MORE ABOUT SOME PINCH POINTS.
UM, AND SO WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO OCCUR IS THE EXTENSION.
I'M GONNA ZOOM OUT THE EXTENSION OF OLD BUTTE ROAD.
I'M GETTING FANCY ON YOU HERE.
SO OLD BUTTE, UH, UH, THAT'S NOT QUITE RIGHT, BUT RIGHT ABOUT THERE, UTE ROAD, ONCE THAT IS EXTENDED AND YOU'D HAVE A MAJOR SEWER TRUNK LINE GO DOWN THERE AND CONNECT TO THE TRUNK LINE AND THE SUNNY SIDE, THAT REALLY OPENS UP THE WEST SIDE FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, GROWTH, UH, BEYOND WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
SO, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CURRENT LIMITATION.
UM, AND THEN HERE AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH 35TH WEST IS THAT WESTERN BOUNDARY.
SO YOU'RE COMING JUST WEST OF, UM, SOCCER FIELDS AND SILVER LEAF, UM, AND THEN UP TO WHAT WE ALL CALL THE FISH PROPERTY.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHY WE JUST CALL IT THAT.
UM, AND THEN THEY'RE COMING ALONG 17TH NORTH.
UM, IT, IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD TO HAVE WHAT IS ALREADY ANNEXED IN THE CITY, BE OUTSIDE OF THE AREA OF IMPACT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DECIDED THAT.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH LANDOWNERS WHO HAVE VOICED THEIR CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN EVER BEING IN THE CITY IS, I THINK THE, THE DRIVING POINT THERE.
YOU ALSO HAVE SOME EXISTING COUNTY SUBDIVISIONS THAT, AGAIN, YOU'D HAVE TO DO A WHOLESALE ANNEXATION OF THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION, UH, EVER TO REALLY MAKE THAT FUNCTION WORK.
OTHERWISE TO TRY TO DO IT, UM, PROPERTY BY PROPERTY RIGOR WOULD BE FAIRLY CHALLENGING.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE, THE THINKING THERE ON THOSE, IF, IF THE PROPERTIES, IF THEY'RE WELL OR SUBS WERE FAIL MM-HMM.
SO IF THE ADJACENT ONES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ANNEX TO GET SERVICES FOR A LETTER FROM US, CORRECT? UH, IT WOULD DEPEND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, DEPARTMENT, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S POLICY IS IF YOU'RE WITHIN 300 FEET OF
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SEWER OR WATER THAT YOU'LL HOOK UP TO THOSE SERVICES RATHER THAN, UM, DIG ANOTHER WELL OR ANOTHER SEPTIC SYSTEM.THAT THOUGH HAS GONE, UM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT LOOKS TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY WILL PROVIDE SERVICE.
THE CITY ALWAYS SAYS WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICE.
IF YOU'RE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, THEN WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THOSE SERVICES.
USUALLY THE PROPERTY ORDER WILL GO TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND SAY, THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, TOO COSTLY TO EXTEND UTILITY MAINS.
AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO GO, AT LEAST IN THE PAST HAS SAID, OKAY, IF IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE IT WU AND THEY'VE ALLOWED THEM TO DIG ANOTHER WELL OR
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES THERE.
JUST I THINK DIFFERENT AGENCIES WITH DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND GOALS.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE WEST OF THE AIRPORT AND BACK UP TO 49TH NORTH AND THEN ACROSS, OVER TO THE RIVER AND BACK AGAIN WHERE WE STARTED.
SO ALL OF THE AREA WITHIN THE AREA OF IMPACT IS WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP WITH IMAGINE IF, SO I MEAN WE'RE PLANNING LONG TERM FOR ALL OF THE THESE AREAS.
UM, AND OF COURSE WE WE'LL CONSIDER THOSE AS WE DO ANNEXATIONS.
BUT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AREA OF IMPACT OR ANY SPECIFIC AREAS YOU WANT ME TO GO TO? CAN YOU ZOOM BACK IN ON THAT NORTH SIDE NORTHEAST CORNER? SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION THERE THAT'S RIGHT.
SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? IS THIS SUBDIVISION COULD BE ANNEXED, BUT THIS OTHER ONE? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION FOR
AND THEN THE OTHER CHALLENGE TOO, I MEAN THERE NOT ONLY WOULD WE HAVE TO DO A WHOLESALE ANNEXATION, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN ON HOW DO WE GET UTILITIES IN THERE.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT LIKE A LIMITED IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OR SOMETHING WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO ACTUALLY FINANCE BRINGING IN THE WATER AND SEWER GRID INTO THE SYSTEM.
SO, SO LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 34 YEARS FROM THEN FROM NOW AND THE CITY HAS EXPANDED COMPLETELY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE AREA IMPACT HAS MOVED NOW TO THE NORTH, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN YOU STILL ARE LEFT WITH THIS COUNTY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE MIDDLE.
AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT ALL GET ANNEXED BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE JUST LEFT WITH THIS WEIRD COUNTY ISLAND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT I, I'M JUST CONFUSED WHEN, WHEN IT TRULY DOES MAKE SENSE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY.
SO YOU'RE NOT A COUNTY ISLAND.
HOW DOES THAT GET INITIATED? SO ANNEXATION IS ALWAYS DONE BY THE CITY.
UH, COUNTIES DON'T ANNEX PROPERTY, RIGHT? UM, IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO INITIATE ANNEXATION, IT NEEDS TO BE CONTIGUOUS, NEEDS TO BE WITHIN OUR AREA, IMPACT AND COVERED BY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW LARGE THE ANNEXATION IS, AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING MULTIPLE PROPERTIES, IF THERE'S MORE THAN 30 LOTS, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE AGREEANCE FROM A MAJORITY OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE DID ALL THE, THE CLEANUP ANNEXATIONS THIS LAST DECADE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 300 PARCELS THAT WERE ISLANDS WITH CITY SERVICES AND WE'VE CLEANED THOSE ALL UP.
UM, THE STATUTE WAS WRITTEN PRETTY BROADLY THAT ALLOWED US TO MANAGE AND, AND DO THAT.
IT WAS, I THINK THE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE THRESHOLD WAS A HUNDRED LOTS IF YOU HAD A HUNDRED LOTS OR MORE.
AND SO THEY SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED THAT, THAT LOT NUMBER DON'T YOU REALLY END UP WITH A, A BIG IMPEDIMENT, RIGHT.
TO NOT ANNEX BECAUSE BY THE TIME THAT OCCURS, UH, EXISTING COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE IS DETERIORATED.
UH, NOT MUCH INCENTIVE FOR THE CITY TO ANNEX THAT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN ON A BIG BURDEN OF UPGRADING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE DIFFICULTY OF IT, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND I'VE BEEN A COUNTY PLANNER BEFORE IN MY PREVIOUS LIVES AS WELL AS A CITY PLANNER.
SO I KIND OF UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THE ANNEXATION LEGISLATION, I, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS CARRIED OPINION, MY OPINION WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY COUNTIES LOOKING AT US AT IT AS WE NEED TO PROTECT COUNTY RESIDENTS FROM THE CITY RATHER THAN LOOKING AT IT FROM A, A LONG RANGE PLANNING.
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AN ECONOMICAL WAY? BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, I MEAN, WHEN WE END UP WITH THESE ISLANDS, WE END UP WITH A LOT OF INEFFICIENCIES WITH SNOW REMOVAL, WITH SHERIFF AND POLICE SERVICES, TRASH PICKUP.UM, AND WE ALL PAY FOR THAT, RIGHT? WE'RE ALL COUNTY TAXPAYERS AS WELL AS CITY TAXPAYERS.
AND SO WE ALL PAY FOR THOSE THINGS.
AND, BUT, AND IN MY MIND, IF THE COUNTIES WERE LOOKING AT IT, THEY REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AGAINST THE LEGISLATION BECAUSE IT DOES MORE HARM TO THEM.
'CAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO MANAGE THESE ISLANDS AT A HIGHER COST THAN IF THEY ALLOWED THEM TO BE TAKEN INTO THE CITY WHEN IT MADE SENSE.
WELL, YOU END UP WITH OVEREXTENDING THE COUNTY SERVICES, RIGHT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST THE POLITICAL NATURE OF IDAHO AND A LOT OF OTHER PLACES.
SO THERE ARE THREE PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT HAVE COME IN THIS YEAR, RIGHT? THE ANNEXATION LAW OR THE, THE REWRITE OF THE ANNEXATION THAT IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE WHO YOU ALL TO FIND THAT, OR MAYBE WE PROVIDE IT, BUT THERE'S THE ANNEXATION, WHAT THE AREA OF IMPACT, RIGHT? AND THAT IS THE AGLAND ONE IS THAT A STATE ONE AGLAND CONSERVATION LEGISLATION WAS ALSO ADOPTED LAST YEAR, BUT THEN JUST WENT INTO EFFECT IN JULY OF THIS YEAR.
AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS IN AN AG USE, AND AGAIN, AG USE IN THE STATE OF IDAHO IS VERY BROAD.
UM, IF YOU HAD A GARDEN OR A ORCHARD AND YOU SOLD SOME THINGS HERE AND THERE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YOU PROBABLY WOULD QUALIFY AS AG USE.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE FIVE ACRES OR MORE AND YOUR PROPERTIES IN AG USE, YOU CAN UM, PUT YOUR PROPERTY INTO LAND CONSERVATION FOR 20 YEARS WITH AN AUTOMATIC 20 YEAR RENEWAL.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 40 YEARS WHEN LAND IS GOES INTO AG CONSERVATION, IT LIMITS ANY TYPE OF, UM, TAKING OF ANY PROPERTY FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS OR ROAD LIGHTING OR A NEW ALIGNMENT OF A ROAD.
UM, SO THAT MAKES IT REALLY CHALLENGING TO TRY TO, LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OLD VIEW ALIGNMENT, IF SOMEONE ALONG THAT ALIGNMENT WERE TO PUT THAT LAND IN LAND CONSERVATION, WHETHER WE NEEDED THAT ROAD TODAY AND WHETHER WE WERE WILLING TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY OR NOT, WE COULDN'T USE THEM IN A DOMAIN TO, TO DO THAT.
AND SO, AND SO THAT'S ALSO EXTREMELY CHALLENGING WITH GROWTH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE FOLLOWED THE EXPRESSWAY DISCUSSION IN THE NEWS.
SO WE, BMPO IS LOOKING AT A STUDY LOOKING AT SOUTH OF 65TH SOUTH, A POTENTIAL EXPRESSWAY TO DEAL WITH LONG-TERM GROWTH.
UM, THAT ALL HAS REALLY KIND OF DIED 'CAUSE OF THE LAND CONSERVATION OR IT'S 'CAUSE THE ABILITY FOR THE COUNTY OR THE CITY TO GET RIGHT OF WAY BE, IF SOMEONE WERE TO PUT IN THEIR LAND, CONSERVATION WOULD BE DONE FOR 40 YEARS.
JUST ONE PER EVEN JUST ONE PER PERSON.
'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE THIS FULL LINE
BON COUNTY THOUGH THERE, I READ THROUGH THEIRS AND THEY DID PUT A CAVEAT IN THERE, FOUR ROADS.
SO IF IT IS AN EXISTING ROAD, LIKE IF IT WERE 65TH SOUTH AND YOU ARE WIDENING AN EXISTING ROAD, THAT'S PERMISSIBLE STILL.
BUT IF IT IS A NEW ALIGNMENT LIKE THE EXPRESSWAY WOULD BE, OR EVEN OLD BUTTE WOULD BE, UM, THEN THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMISSIBLE TO USE THE DONATE.
NOW OF COURSE THAT'S A BRAND NEW LEGISLATION THAT WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PANS OUT.
THEN THERE MIGHT BE LAWSUITS OR OTHER THINGS THAT WILL HELP REFINE THAT ORDINANCE OVER TIME.
UM, BUT THAT DEFINITELY IS A CHALLENGE TO TRY TO DEAL WITH SOME GROWTH ISSUES.
THAT WAS, WE, I WE WERE GONNA WATCH LIKE A NINE MINUTE FILM AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, BUT I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME.
IF YOU'RE DONE, WE CAN PUSH THAT TO NEXT MONTH AS WELL.
WHAT DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO DO? I'M COOL.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT ALL WORK.
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LET'S SEE IF IT'LL REFRESH.WE CAN PROBABLY FIND SOME
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS DONE THROUGH THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR PLANNING.
UM, AND THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION TRAINING THAT WE'RE SUBSCRIBED TO.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD MAYBE BE A USEFUL THING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA WATCH THE ENTIRE, WE'RE JUST GONNA WATCH A SEGMENT.
UM, THESE FOLKS ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT, UM, PLANNING, COMMISSION AND TESTIMONY, UM, HOW THEY DO IT.
THEY'RE GONNA REFER TO, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A NATIONAL GROUP, SO THEY'RE TALKING IN VERY BROAD, HIGHER LEVEL, GENERAL TERMS THAT AREN'T GONNA BE SPECIFIC NECESSARILY TO OUR LAND USE LAW.
THEY'LL TALK ABOUT VILLAGES RATHER THAN CITIES OR, YOU KNOW, UM, THOSE TYPES OF TALENT COUNCILS, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT, UM, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO KIND OF LISTEN TO THEIR DIALOGUE.
I'M HAPPY TO STOP IT IF YOU HAVE CON QUESTIONS OR YOU HAVE A COMMENT THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE GREAT FOR EVERYBODY DURING OUR, WE CAN LISTEN TO THE NINE MINUTES STILL AND THEN HAVE A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AFTER WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE.
IF THE RESIDENTS STAND UP AND TALK, UM, BECAUSE THAT CAN SOMETIMES BE A CONTENTIOUS PART OF THE MEETING.
UM, ARE ARE THERE EVER LIMITS ON HOW MUCH TESTIMONY THERE CAN OR SHOULD BE? OR, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY APPLICANT OR HOW MANY RESIDENTS CAN SPEAK WHAT, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE WHOLE TESTIMONY THING WORK? WELL, THERE'S NEVER REALLY ANY LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF TESTIMONY THAT CAN BE PROVIDED.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE A OPEN MEETING TO ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK.
AND I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS, IS IF, IF WE SEE A LARGE CROWD IN THE AUDIENCE TO POTENTIALLY SET A TIME LIMIT FOR EACH PERSON TO LIMIT REPETITIVE ITEMS HERE.
SO IF IT'S A FIVE MINUTE OR A 10 MINUTE LIMITATION ON PEOPLE SPEAKING, THAT PROVIDES 'EM WITH A BASIS OF HOW LONG THEY CAN SPEAK FOR AND GET THEIR POINTS ACROSS.
IF THERE'S NOT MUCH OF AN AUDIENCE, THEN THERE'S NOT REALLY A NEED FOR TIME LIMITS.
BUT IF YOU SEE A LARGE AUDIENCE, UH, THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME TIME LIMITS.
ALSO, THE CHAIRPERSON, IF HE NOTES THAT ANY REPETITIVE COMMENTS, IF SOMEBODY, IF THERE'S A SPOKESPERSON THAT'S GONNA SPEAK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO.
SO THE SPOKESPERSON CAN COME UP AND SAY, I SPEAK FOR THESE FELLOW 20 RESIDENTS OUT HERE AND THESE ARE OUR CONCERNS.
THEN THE BOARD KNOWS THAT THERE'S 20 RESIDENTS OUT THERE AND THEY'RE NOT EACH COMING TO THE, TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK, UH, WHICH TAKES TIME AND CAN ADD TIME TO THE MEETING.
UH, WE LIKE TO, UH, ENCOURAGE, UH, THAT NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS HELD AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
UH, THAT'S THE, ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, NO DISCUSSION SHOULD OCCUR FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE DON'T LIKE TO SET END TIMES, UH, BUT WE DO TRY NOT TO SET CASES START CASES TOO LATE IN THE EVENING VIA EVENING MEETINGS.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT THE PUBLIC HAS JOBS AND THEY HAVE THINGS TO DO OR KIDS TO PUT TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNING.
AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR TIMEFRAMES AND ALLOW 'EM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WHEN IT'S NOT TOO LATE IN THE EVENING AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOT A STORY ABOUT A MARATHON MEETING THAT WENT TILL ONE OR TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THOSE ARE NECESSARY BECAUSE THE DECISION HAS TO BE MADE 'CAUSE OF SOME SORT OF TIMING MATTER.
BUT, BUT IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE TIRED AND THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE, THE DECISION AND DISCUSSION IS PROBABLY NOT AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE OTHERWISE.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE, UH, TEND TO GET TIRED.
THEY'VE BEEN SITTING AT THE DESK LISTENING TO TESTIMONY FOR A FEW HOURS THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE SPENT THEIR EVENING, UH, WAITING TO SPEAK.
SO IN, IN TRYING TO KEEP THE MEETING MOVING ALONG A TIME LIMITS SOMETIMES NECESSARY.
AND I KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER, UH, THE SPEAKERS SHOULD BE ONE PRO AND ONE CON PERSON AS WELL.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP COME OUT THAT THAT'S ALL AGAINST THE PROPOSAL OR ALL FOR A PROPOSAL.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S FAIR TO CALL OUT A PRO VERSUS A CON.
AND HERE, BACK AND FORTH JUST LET THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME UP.
THAT'S GOES BACK TO MEETING DECOR, SO EVERYBODY'S CLAPPING THEN MAYBE THAT ONE PERSON HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION'S, A LITTLE, UH, SHY TO COME UP.
BUT WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO COME UP.
WELL IT'S INTERESTING YOU MENTIONED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT SOME THERE, THERE COULD BE CLAPPING AT MEETINGS AND THERE CAN BE KIND OF SOME EMOTIONAL RESPONSES THAT ARE, THAT ARE PARTS OF THE MEETING.
UM, BUT WHAT'S SO, SO THAT THAT CAN PLAY OUT IN THE TESTIMONY AS WELL.
SOME FOLKS THAT WILL TESTIFY AT A HEARING, THEY'LL BE CALLED EXPERT WITNESSES, RIGHT? THAT ARE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER OR SOMEBODY WITH A PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND OR THE LAND PLANNER.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE RESIDENTS TESTIFYING.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TESTIMONY OF SAY, AN EXPERT WITNESS AND THEN, UH, A RESIDENT WHO'S GOT A, A CONCERN THAT THEY WANNA BRING FORWARD? SO AN EXPERT WITNESS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, SKILL AND TRAINING AND A SPECIFIC AREA.
SO THERE'S TRANSPORTATION, LAND USE OR DESIGN, UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE EVIDENCE.
AND SO THEY ARE MAKING THEIR, UH, THEIR DETERMINATION AND THEIR TESTIMONY BASED ON FACTS AND HOW IT APPLIES AND BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE, UH,
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AND THE APPLICATION OF THOSE FACTS TO THE STANDARDS IN THE CASE.NOW, AN OPINION FROM PARTICIPANTS UH, MAY BE AN ANECDOTAL STORY OR HEARSAY RATHER THAN ACTUAL FACTS.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS MAY BE VERY EMOTIONAL AS YOU SPOKE TO THAT IT AFFECTS THEM PERSONALLY.
AND SO SOMETIMES THOSE ANECDOTES BECOME VERY PERSONAL, VERY EMOTIONAL.
UH, THE PLAN COMMISSIONERS MUST TAKE ALL OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO IT'S A VERY UNIQUE CHALLENGE FOR THEM TO TAKE THIS ALL INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT THEY REALLY DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACTS OF THE CASE AND THE STANDARDS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE IN THE APPLICATION.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS JUST BECAUSE, UH, THE CONCERNS OF A COMMUNITY MIGHT BE VERY EMOTIONAL AND VERY REAL, UH, OR THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT MAKES THE DECISION.
REALLY, THE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM SHOULD NOT MAKE A DECISION, SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE DECISION OF THE BOARD.
THE BOARD SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE FACTS OF THE CASE AND HOW THEY APPLY.
SO TO, TO TAKE ANOTHER STEP IN TERMS OF TESTIMONY, CAN ANYBODY ASK ANYBODY A QUESTION AT A MEETING? SO IF THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER IS, IS UP DOING THEIR PRESENTATION, CAN ONE OF THE RESIDENTS JUST KIND OF POLITELY RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAY, COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US HOW MANY CARS ARE GONNA BE THERE? IS THAT THE WAY THE MEETING WORKS OR IS THERE A STRUCTURE TO IT? THERE SHOULD BE A STRUCTURE TO IT.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT RESIDENT.
IF THAT RESIDENT RAISES THEIR GAME, COME TO THE PODIUM OR WHEREVER THE PUBLIC IS SPEAKING AND ASK THAT QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S EASIER AND IT SHOULD BE EASIER IF WE, IF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE TAKEN DOWN BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THEN AFTER THE PUBLIC HAS SPOKEN, ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS BACK TO THE APPLICANT SO THAT THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UH, THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, UH, TWO MEMBERS OF THE PODIUM, UH, JUST DOES NOT HELP TO QUORUM.
SOMETIMES THAT CAN BECOME MORE ARGUMENTATIVE OR EMOTIONAL IN THAT SENSE.
AND THEN I THINK WE LOSE SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE QUALITIES OF A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE IDEA OF REMAIN OF, UH, OF MAINTAINING DECORUM.
AND YOU MENTIONED THIS IS PART OF THE CHAIR'S ROLE, I GUESS THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER POINT IN WHICH THE CHAIR IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF MEASURING THIS.
AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THE CHAIR HAS REALLY, AGAIN, POLITELY AND PROFESSIONALLY HAD TO SAY TO PEOPLE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
WE'VE HEARD THAT SEVERAL TIMES.
IS THERE ANYTHING NEW THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BRING? UM, AND IT THAT THAT CAN BE A REAL TOUGH JOB FOR A SHARE, CAN'T IT? IT'S A VERY HARD JOB, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE AUDIENCE IS FULL AND EVERYBODY BELIEVES THAT THEIR OPINION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS HEARD BEFORE.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE THE MEETING ALONG SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT THE CHAIR HOLDS THESE MEETINGS AND MANAGES THESE MEETINGS SO THAT WE DON'T GET INTO ARGUMENTATIVE IDEAS HERE OR BOOING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE SHOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FREELY WITHOUT FEELING PRESSURED.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I'VE ALSO SEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THE REST OF THE COMMISSION CAN BE HELPFUL TOO, TO THE CHAIR THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY ALSO REMIND THE PUBLIC OR THEY MAY, UH, PHRASE THEIR QUESTIONS IN A WAY THAT KIND OF TAKES SOME OF THE EMOTION OUT OF THE ROOM AND REALLY MAKES THE CASE ABOUT FACT.
YEAH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE, ARE VERY IMPORTANT TOO, AS WELL.
I'VE SEEN IT AS WELL AFTER SOME EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY OF TAKING A BREAK, A FIVE MINUTE BREAK JUST TO LET, UM, EMOTIONS COOL DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND COME BACK.
UM, SO LET'S, LET'S TURN A LITTLE BIT TO THE IDEA OF HOW DO WE MAKE THE COMMISSIONERS BETTER ARMED, IF YOU WILL, TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
SO IF A COMMISSIONER GETS THEIR PACKET, THEY LOOK THROUGH IT, UM, BEFORE THE MEETING AND THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A FACT OR AN IDEA OR SOMETHING IN THERE, WHAT DO THEY DO? CAN THEY CALL STAFF? SHOULD THEY CALL STAFF? THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY CALL STAFF.
IF THERE'S A QUESTION ON THE AGENDA, THEY SHOULD CALL STAFF TO DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON.
A LOT OF TIMES SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ASK ARE MORE TECHNICAL IN NATURE ABOUT A ZONING ORDINANCE REGULATION.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF CAN EXPLAIN TO 'EM THAT THIS IS WHAT THIS MEANS, THIS IS HOW THIS IS APPLIED.
IF IT'S A QUESTION THAT THEY HAVE FOR STAFF THAT REALLY GETS TO THE CASE ITSELF, THEN IT'S BETTER THAT WE WILL, WE WILL ADVISE THEM TO ASK THAT QUESTION DURING THE COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING.
'CAUSE THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR ALL COMMISSION MEMBERS TO HEAR AND IT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO HAVE ANSWERED IN THE PUBLIC REALM.
UM, IF, IF THE, IF THE COMMISSION ASKS A QUESTION OR IF THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, PARTS OF A CASE THAT MIGHT BE, UM, REQUIRE A SPECIAL SPECIALTY, UM, DO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY STAFF EVER COME TO THE MEETING THAT ENGINEER OR OTHER FOLKS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY THE PLANNERS? YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS TO COME.
SO IF THERE'S PETITIONS THAT DEAL WITH TRANSPORTATION, YOUR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER CAN COME.
IF THERE'S PUBLIC WORKS QUESTIONS, UH, ANY STORM WATER QUESTIONS, AN ENGINEER CAN COME.
IF THERE'S OTHER IDEAS OUT THERE THAT THE PLANNING STAFF DOESN'T HAVE EXPERTISE ON, IT'S IMPORTANT TO DRAW THOSE NUMBERS THAT DO SO THAT THEY CAN ANSWER ANY COMMISSIONING QUESTIONS OR PUBLIC QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE WE, UH, WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE PLANNERS, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
IT'S THE ENTIRE, IT'S THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY STAFF THAT, THAT HELP BUILD THE, UH, THE EXPERTISE THAT'S THERE.
THE PLANNERS TEND TO KNOW A LOT, A LITTLE ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF.
AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE BACKGROUND EXPERTS AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAVE THAT SPECIFIC EXPERTISE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
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TO GET INTO THE TECHNICAL ANSWERS BEHIND A SPECIFIC QUESTION.DO YOU TYPICALLY HAVE YOUR CORPORATION COUNCIL AT YOUR PLAN COMMISSION MEETINGS? WE DO NOT HAVE OUR COUNCIL AT THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETINGS.
I KNOW THAT SOME COMMUNITIES DO, AND I THINK IT'S JUST SORT OF A MATTER OF PERSONAL COMMUNITY PREFERENCE.
IT IS A MATTER OF COMMUNITY PREFERENCE.
SOMETIMES IF WE ANTICIPATE A VERY CONTROVERSIAL ITEM, WE'LL HAVE COUNCIL HERE.
BUT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE ITEMS, THERE'S NO COUNCIL.
WE, WE WON'T EVER HAVE COUNCIL HERE
UM, LARGELY 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE APPEAL AUTHORITY FOR A LOT OF YOUR DECISION MAKING AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SO IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO GET INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF THE POTENTIAL APPEAL HEARING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU WON'T TYPICALLY SEE THEM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THAT LITTLE TED VANISH SPILL ONCE YOU CAN SEE SOME OTHER FOLKS TALK ABOUT A MEETING IN SORT OF THE SAME TERMS THAT WE TALK ABOUT MEETINGS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE ABOUT WHAT THEY SAID? UM, I, UH, ONE THING THAT HE SAID, ONE THING THAT I'VE ALWAYS STRUGGLED WITH BEING ON THE COMMISSION IS PEOPLE COME UP AND THEY'RE SUPER GENUINE AND THEY'RE CONFUSED AND THEY JUST HAVE QUESTIONS AND WE JUST HAVE, AND WE ARE ALWAYS, WE HAVE TO BE LIKE, NOPE, NO QUESTIONS, JUST A STATEMENT.
BUT I LIKE WHAT HE SAID WHERE HE WAS LIKE, IF PEOPLE DO HAVE QUESTIONS, LET 'EM ASK US.
AND THEN WE CAN WRITE THOSE DOWN AND THEN ASK, WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US, WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, THEN WE CAN THEN ASK THE APPROPRIATE PERSON THAT QUESTION.
SO THAT WAY THE WHOLE ROOM CAN STILL HEAR THAT QUESTION.
BECAUSE I, I DO DO BELIEVE IN HAVING DECOR.
'CAUSE IF PEOPLE JUST START DOING Q AND A FALLS APART REAL FAST.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TRY TO DO OR WHATEVER, BUT, BECAUSE I DO REALLY FEEL BAD FOR PEOPLE THAT DO THIS OLD LADY THAT'S JUST LIKE, I'M CONFUSED WHEN IS THE, IS THIS GONNA MESS UP MY MENTAL ROUTE? AND WE ARE JUST LIKE, NO, WE CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO ADOPTING A A A A VERSION OF, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO AT LEAST ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSION FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, VERSUS JUST A STRAIGHT STOP, AT LEAST TRY TO ENTERTAIN.
I THINK THE KEY IS, AGAIN, THE CHAIRS REALLY BEAR THE BIG BURDEN, KEEP THINGS OUTTA CONTROL.
WHAT IS REALLY VERY, VERY HELPFUL, AND I WATCHED THEM DO A VERY EXCELLENT JOB, IS TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE, THIS IS HOW THIS HEARING IS GOING TAKE PLACE.
'CAUSE NINE TENTHS OF THE CITIZENS DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW THAT HEARING IS GONNA PROCEED.
IT'S REALLY HELPFUL UPFRONT IF, IF YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHY WE PUSH THE QUESTIONS BACK UNTIL LATER.
AND SO THAT UPFRONT EXPLANATION TO ME IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING CONTROL OF THE YEAH.
AND, AND GLEN DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB.
HE ALWAYS EXPLAINS HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO.
BUT WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE COMING UP AND ASKING QUESTIONS AND SO YEAH.
AND I THINK THAT WAS A CARRY OVER FROM MY LAST CHAIR TOO.
I, I JUST ASSUME THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
SO I'M WITH QUESTIONS IF WE WANT TO APPROACH 'EM THAT WAY.
THEY JUST SAY YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS, WE'LL WRITE THEM DOWN.
ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER WILL THAT THE APPLICANT, THE STAFF LEADER.
I THINK IT'S STILL IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT A Q AND A.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL 'EM THIS IS A Q AND A, YOU ASK US QUESTIONS, BUT IF SOMEONE DOES SO HAPPEN TO HAVE A QUESTION, WE'LL RECORD IT AND ATTEMPT TO ANSWER FOR THEM.
AND ALSO THAT THE APPLICANT DOES NOT REQUIRE TO ANSWER A QUESTION OF THE PUBLIC THAT COMES UP.
THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED, BUT WE DO SEE THAT HAPPEN A LOT BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH A PRODUCT.
SO THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO APPEASE YOU GUYS BY ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS.
EVEN IF WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THE QUESTION OFTEN THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY, I WANT TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.
BUT KEEP IN MIND TOO, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC'S ASKING BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DISCOVERED YET.
AND IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION THAT IS A FAIRLY AD DEPTH QUESTION AND YOU'RE ALWAYS ABLE TO REFER THEM TO STAFF AND WE CAN TALK TO THEM OFF, WE CAN INTERPRET THAT OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING AND
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FIGURE THAT OUT TOO.WE WANNA BE HELPFUL AND RESPONSIVE AS WELL.
LIKE THEY'RE SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA ALLOW 10 MINUTES PER TESTIMONY.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID, FIVE PEOPLE TESTIFY.
LIKE, YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.
SO I MEAN, YEAH, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, DO, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD STRUCTURE THAT IF YOU WANT TO ASSIGN ONE OF US TO WRITE DOWN THAT QUESTION SO WE CAN REMEMBER IT LATER.
SO YOU'LL WANT IT ALL TO JUST BE ONLY YOU WRITING DOWN THE COURT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC HEARING IN A FEW MONTHS, BUT YOU'LL STILL SEE IN YOUR PACKET WE DEVELOPED THAT KIND OF SEPARATE SHEET FOR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. YEAH.
THAT KIND OF CAN DETAIL, YOU KNOW, WHAT AM I HEARING? WHAT IS A QUESTION? WHAT IS JUST A STATEMENT? SO I THINK YOU COULD STILL USE THAT POTENTIALLY TO KIND OF TRACK SOME OF IT BACK FOR YOU.
JUST ONE THOUGHT I'VE MOLDED AROUND A BIT.
YOU, YOU CONSTANTLY CONFRONT THIS PROBLEM OVER REPETITIVE TESTIMONY AND THE PUBLIC I THINK HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISCONCEPTION IN THAT THEY GET THE NOTION THAT MORE THEY HEAR THE TESTIMONY MORE POWER, RIGHT? LIKE AS IF THEN COMING UP COUNTS AS A VOTE.
BUT IT'S NOT, I WONDER ABOUT IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A PROCESS ENCOURAGING, UH, CITIZENS TO SUBMIT, UH, WRITTEN TESTIMONY IN ADVANCE, WHICH THEN ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.
I MEAN WE, WITH THE MOST RECENT REALLY CONTENTIOUS ONE THAT WE HAD THE FULL ROOM.
I MEAN WE HAD A STACK OF EMAILS THAT CAME IN WELL BEFORE THAT TOO.
AND YOU HAD THE BEGINNING OF THAT.
I ADDRESSED THAT AND SAID, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD IN YOUR EMAILS.
YOUR COMMENTS ARE, THESE ARE RELATED TO THESE ITEMS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THEM.
YOU DO ANYTHING, YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT TELLS THEM UP FRONT.
SO IN OUR NOTICE THAT WE SENT YOU PROPERTY OWNERS, IT DOES EXPLAIN THAT A MEETING IS NOT A Q AND A.
THAT TESTIMONY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY FACT BASED.
AND IT ALSO INVITES THEM TO PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS.
IF ANYONE CONTACTS OUR OFFICE, WE ALWAYS TELL THEM THAT WRITTEN COMMENTS ARE MORE VALUABLE IN PERSON TESTIMONY BECAUSE YOU WILL RECEIVE IT A WEEK AHEAD AND YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO PONDER AND THINK ABOUT IT AND COMPARE IT TO OTHER PEOPLE'S TESTIMONY.
I WOULD BE, I WAS GONNA SAY, I I TAKE THE WRITTEN COMMENT FAR MORE YEAH.
HAVE IT AS FAR MORE VALUABLE TO ME BECAUSE I'VE TIME TO DIGEST IT.
THINK ABOUT IT, MORE COMMENTS COME IN.
I CALLED STAFF AFTER READING COMMENTS RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING EVER HAPPENS.
AND WE GET A LOT MORE CHANCE TO FIGURE THINGS OUT.
IT ALSO GIVES THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY WRITTEN TESTIMONY SUBMITTED AND ACTUALLY PRESENT OR, OR ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS IN THAT WRITTEN TESTIMONY DURING THE PRESENTATION.
SO WE WILL ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THAT.
BUT WE HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGE, RIGHT? WE'LL WE SEND OUT THESE NOTICES, WE, AND NO ONE CALLS OUR OFFICE AND WE SHOW UP FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE AND WE'RE WONDERING WHY 'CAUSE NO ONE'S BOTHERED TO CALL US AND ASK THE QUESTIONS.
SO IS THERE ONE, ONE COMMON, COMMON COMPLAINT FROM THE PUBLIC IS I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE MEETING.
IS THERE, I, AND I KNOW WE'VE ADDRESSED IT APPROPRIATELY.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN, THE SIGNAGE HAS BEEN OUT THERE, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING TO FOR STATUTE.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO OR THAT I CAN ADDRESS THAT YOU DIDN'T NEED SOLVE THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, WE'RE ONLY JUST FOLLOWING STATE LAW, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE LAW.
SO PEOPLE THINK, OH, THE CITY, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO SERVE THE BY.
IT'S LIKE, WELL ACTUALLY COMPLAIN TO THE STATE IF YOU DON'T THINK THE BOUNDARY IS WIDE ENOUGH BECAUSE THAT'S A STATE LAW.
SO, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT OFF YOUR QUESTION.
BUT YEAH, LIKE I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT I THINK IF YOU START TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS ABOVE THE STATE LAW, 'CAUSE I MEAN WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS INTERNALLY A LOT, THEN WHAT IF IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING ABOVE THE STATE LAW IN SOMEBODY'S OPINION, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW YOU'VE CREATED A LEGAL, WELL YOU'RE DOING THIS ONE THING, BUT YOU'RE NOT NOW DOING THIS OTHER THING.
SO LET'S SAY, SO THEN THAT'S 500, RIGHT? YOU'RE JUST PICKING AN ARBITRARY NUMBER AND THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE PERSON THAT DIDN'T GET WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU USE 700 OR WHATEVER.
WELL, MAYBE IT'S NOT THE DISTANCE.
MAYBE THEY WANT YOU TO PUT ON FACEBOOK OR MAYBE THEY WANT YOU TO SEND OUT EMAILS OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT IF YOU PICK ONE, YOU KNOW, I CALL IT POISON.
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YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CHOOSE ONE POISON, BUT YOU DIDN'T CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONE AND THEN NOW YOU'VE CREATED LEGAL PRECEDENCE.YOU KNOW? BUT THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD QUESTION.
OH, I, I THINK YOU ALWAYS FOLLOW STATE LAW.
MY QUESTION MORE IS ADDRESSED TO OR RE RELATES TO, HOW DO I, HOW DO I ADDRESS THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY UP FRONT AND SAY, WELL PART OF THAT IS ALSO WORD OF MOUTH, THE STATE STATUTE ALSO.
I MEAN THAT THAT IS PART OF IT AS WELL.
AND IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE MEETING YET, THEY'RE HERE.
AM I ALLOWED TO WEIGH IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, PLEASE DO.
NOW I, I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE JUST STICKING TO WHAT THE STATE CODE IS REQUIRING AND PROBABLY EVEN CITING TO THAT STATE CODE IN ANY NOTICE THAT WE'RE DOING.
JUST SAYING WE'RE FOLLOWING X, Y, Z PURSUANT TO, YOU KNOW, A, B, C, WHATEVER.
JUST SAYING THAT, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DYLAN'S RULE STATE.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING WHAT THE CODE SAYS ESSENTIALLY.
UH, ULTIMATELY IF WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND, WE COULD BE RUNNING RISKS TOO THAT WE'RE GOING DOING STUFF THAT LEGISLATION ISN'T ALLOWING US TO DO.
SO IT'S REALLY SAFE TO JUST FOLLOW WHAT LEGISLATION IS TELLING US TO DO.
SO GLEN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE SEE A BIG ROOM, I THINK IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS GIVE YOUR NORMAL SPIEL, GIVE YOUR NAME, WHATEVER, UH, KEEP IT AT THIS AMOUNT IF IT'S REPEATED, WHATEVER.
AND THEN I THINK MAYBE YOU TACK ON THERE ALSO, UM, THE CITY HAS SENT OUT NOTICES.
UH, THEY FOLLOW STATE LAW IF YOU FEEL IT DOESN'T MEET YOUR STANDARDS OR HOW YOU WOULD WANT IT DONE, THAT'S A STATE ISSUE.
CONTACT YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE.
I REALLY, YOU MIGHT, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST YOU MIGHT JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NOTICING, PLEASE VISIT WITH STAFF.
SO THEN WE'RE NOT GETTING THOSE COMMENTS ABOUT, RIGHT.
AND, AND WE'RE ALSO, I MY FEAR WITH SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT IS A STATE ISSUE.
BUT WE'RE KIND OF, UM, DISTRACTING FROM WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS.
THE PURPOSE IS THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT OR THAT ANNEXATION AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STATE LEGISLATION.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WANNA DO THAT EITHER.
SO I WOULD THINK, I WOULD JUST TELL THEM, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT WHY YOU DID OR DIDN'T RECEIVE A NOTICE, PLEASE TALK WITH STAFF.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE MAPS AND DRAWINGS AND A LIST OF ADDRESSES OF WHO THEY WENT TO.
SO WE CAN VERIFY THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM.
UM, AND THAT WAY MAYBE THEY'LL FEEL HEARD, BUT ALSO WE CAN THEN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM THAT'S MORE DETAILED AND ONE-ON-ONE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE REASON WHY I'M JUST SUGGESTING IS SO THAT WAY, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IN A PUBLIC HEARING WE'LL GET THREE OR FOUR COMMENTS SAYING, WE DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THIS.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF UNNECESSARY, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA FRONT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN HEAR CONCERNS OVER NOTICING WE DO FOLLOW STATE STATUTE, WHICH PROVIDES A MINIMUM.
IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NOTICE, PLEASE TALK TO STAFF.
YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE AN EASY WAY TO SORT OF DIFFUSE THAT UP FRONT.
IT COULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT WE INCLUDE IN OUR STAFF REPORT.
I THINK THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO MIND WITH THIS IS THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A DUE PROCESS THAT THE APPLICANT IS OWED AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE COMMENTING.
AND IF WE DECIDE, WE PICK AND CHOOSE, WELL THIS ONE, THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE REALLY MAD, SO WE'RE GONNA BE HAVE A REALLY BIG NOTICING RADIUS OR THIS ONE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH MIDDLE.
THEN WE'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE OF THAT DUE PROCESS THAT APPLICANT IS ZONED.
SO I, I THINK JAY'S RIGHT AND CARRYING J OUR RIGHT TO STICK WITH THAT MINIMUM BECAUSE THAT GIVES US A WAY TO, TO APPROACH IT EQUITABLY FOR ALL APPLICANTS AND ALL RESIDENTS THAT WOULD HAVE CONCERNS WITHOUT ARBITRARILY PICKING AND CHOOSING WHICH ONE ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHICH ONE WE DON'T CARE AS MUCH ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE CARE ABOUT ALL OF IT, BUT, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WOULD THEME IF WE WERE VARIED WHAT WE DO.
AND I ALSO, I MEAN I LOOK AT A COMPONENT OF IT IN MY, MY, FROM MY ACCOUNTING BACKGROUND AS FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? IF, IF WE'RE SENDING NOTICES AND, AND EXTENDED SOME OF THESE ALREADY, LIKE THE WASATCH ONE HAD A LOT OF NEIGHBORS AND SO IT'S PRETTY COSTLY.
AND SO IF WE JUST START PICKING
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WE START TO EXCEED OUR BUDGET, RIGHT? AND, AND SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AS WELL IN WHO WE'RE NOTICING.RIGHT? AND SO I, I MEAN I LOOK AT THAT A LOT AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I THINK, WOW, WE'RE PRINTING A LOT OF PAPER HERE THAT NOBODY'S GONNA READ AND A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, AND SO I TRY AND I DO TRY AND KEEP IT TIGHT WHEN WE MAP.
DAVID NOW DRAWS THE MAPS, RIGHT? ARE WE USING AN APP AND USES A MAP TO FIND THAT? AND WE DO TRY AND BE ACCURATE WITH IT BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T WANT TO EXCEED THE AREA, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY THAN WE HAVE TO BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T CARE.
I MEAN WE HAVE 70,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SEE 60 SHOW UP MAXIMUM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THIS ROOM? SO YEAH, I MEAN YOU DO WANNA REMEMBER THOSE THAT AREN'T IN THE ROOM.
THAT'S IMPORTANT SOMETIMES TOO.
BUT ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS OR THINGS YOU WANTED TO CHAT ABOUT? I JUST HAD A COUPLE THAT I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING AND USEFUL.
ONE WAS, IT SAID, UM, THE USE OF A BREAK.
I KNOW WHEN WE'VE HAD A LONG MEETING, THE LAST THING YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IS TAKE A BREAK IF YOU KNOW YOU JUST GOT A FEW MORE THINGS TO DO, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY A GOOD WAY TO MAYBE DIFFUSE THE ROOM A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT DID TALK ABOUT NOT, I MEAN THE CHAIR IS SUPER IMPORTANT, BUT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TOO, YOU CAN ALSO USE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASK IN A WAY TO TRY TO REDIRECT OR RESET THAT DECORUM AND THAT UM, DISCUSSION.
SO I MEAN UTILIZE THAT, THINK ABOUT THAT TOO.
I THINK ALWAYS RESTATING WHAT YOU HEARD SO PEOPLE DO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE HEARD IS A GREAT IDEA.
UM, JUST TO DIFFUSE UH, THAT SITUATION AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING, AND WE TALKED AND KIND OF HINTED AROUND IT AS WE WENT THROUGH TONIGHT, BUT EXCUSE ME, I'M GONNA CHOKE.
UM, IF THERE EVER IS A TIME, AND A LOT OF TIMES WITH PRELIMINARY PLATS AND TRANSPORTATION CONCERNS THAT CAME UP TONIGHT, IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC PERSON WE NEED IN THE ROOM, IF WE NEED THE CITY ENGINEER IN THE ROOM, ARE WE'VE GOT STORM DRAINAGE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN WRITTEN COMMENTS OR WE'VE HAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COME IN THE PAST TO KIND OF EXPLAIN, UH, FIRE CODE ISSUES.
IF YOU SEE THAT AS YOU'RE REVIEWING YOUR PACKETS EARLY OR WE SEE THAT IN OUR COMMENTS, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO HAVE THAT SPECIAL PERSON HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT UPFRONT, RIGHT? IF SO, IF YOU'RE REVIEWING YOUR PACKET AND YOU SAY, HEY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO ASK SOME TRANSPORTATION QUESTIONS, THESE ARE THEM AND IT'S BEYOND OUR ABILITY, WE'D LOVE TO GET THE CITY ENGINEER HERE TO HELP EXPLAIN THAT.
SO THEY'RE, WE'RE YOUR DIRECT RESOURCE, BUT KNOW THAT THE REST OF THE CITY STAFF IS ALSO A RESOURCE TO YOU.
IT JUST MIGHT TAKE SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS TO MANAGE THAT.
SO DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK ANY OF THAT.
BUT, AND THEN LAST, WAS THIS USEFUL? WAS THIS HELPFUL? YES.
ARE THERE OTHER TOPICS, I GOT TRAFFIC STUDIES DOWN AS A TOPIC THAT WE WANT TO DO SOME TRAINING ON.
ARE THERE OTHER TOPICS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE TALK IN DEPTH ABOUT RELATED TO YOUR MEETINGS? I'VE HAD A FEW IDEAS, BUT NOW I'M
I MEAN, IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC THING OR YOU'RE LIKE, WE ALWAYS GET THIS QUESTION.
I KNOW I NEVER KNOW HOW TO ANSWER IT.
OR THIS ALWAYS SEEMS AWKWARD, WHY DO WE DO IT THIS WAY? I MEAN, THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS.
IT COULD BE SIMPLE AS WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY, RIGHT? I MEAN IT MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S LEGAL OR REQUIRED.
UM, SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS, JUST JOT 'EM DOWN AND SEND ME AN EMAIL AND THEN WE'LL INCLUDE 'EM IN A SUBSEQUENT, UM, JANUARY'S MEETING.
WE ONLY HAVE THREE ITEMS. ONE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, STRAIGHTFORWARD ANNEXATION, SO IT SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK AS WELL.
UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER HERE, UH, 'CAUSE THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT ON A NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN.
UM, WE HAVE A DRAFT DOCUMENT, SO UM, WE'LL HAVE THAT ON THERE.
BUT IF THERE'S STILL SOME TIME WE COULD THROW ANOTHER TRAINING ITEM OR SOMETHING ON JANUARY'S AGENDA TOO.
ARE WE LOOKING AT THE CHAIR AND POSITION? YES.
YOU'LL SEE ON THE AGENDA ELECTION OF OFFICERS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
IT CAN STAY THE SAME, IT CAN GET CHANGED.
THERE ARE NO TERM LIMITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL YOU DO, SIR.
AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC STUFF, RIGHT,
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IF YOU ASK US A STAFF, LIKE IF, IF YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN IF YOU ASK US BEFORE THE MEETING, THEN WE CAN TRY AND BRING A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AS WELL, RIGHT? OR I MEAN I CAN SUPPLY THE TRAFFIC REPORT.A LOT OF TRAFFIC STUDIES WILL HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND WE HAVE SENT THAT TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE.
SOME OF THEM CAN BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN JUST A COUPLE PAGES.
SOMETIMES THOSE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY CAN BE 10 OR 12 PAGES AND THEY'RE PRETTY ENGINEER TRAFFIC SPEAK HEAVY.
SO WE HAVEN'T FOUND THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS USEFUL TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY AT A FINAL PLAT STAGE, WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL PLAT, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS, YOU SHALL APPROVE THIS, IF IT MEETS THE MINIMUMS. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLAY IN THAT.
UM, BUT AT A PRELIMINARY PLAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WIGGLE ROOM.
SO WE KIND OF DEBATED BACK AND FORTH WHETHER IT'S HELPFUL OR NOT.
SO YEAH, I THINK WHAT RYAN'S SAYING, IF YOU'VE GOT THOUGHTS OR IDEAS ON THAT, LET US KNOW.
THOSE TWO, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION TO MAKE GOOD CHOICES.
I'D JUST RATHER SUPPLY IT DIGITALLY THEN.
AND SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT COMMUNICATING IN A GROUP TO ME OR TO ANY ONE OF US, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU INDIVIDUAL INFORMATION.
I DON'T THINK THE WHOLE DOCUMENT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BUT THAT SUMMARY CAN BE 'CAUSE IT WILL PROVIDE CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE HUGELY, FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.