* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Call to Order and Roll Call] [00:00:04] ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL PRESIDENT SHAW HERE. COUNCILOR RADFORD. OH, YEAH, HE'S LEAD. COUNCILOR WILL BE HERE SHORTLY. COUNCILLOR FREEMAN HERE. COUNCILLOR FRANCIS HERE. COUNCILOR LARSON HERE. YOU HAVE A CORNER MAYOR. THANK YOU. UM, HEARING VOICE, COME ON NICE AND LOUD. ALL OF OUR DIRECTORS HERE. MORE THAT PROCESS, [Public Works, Fire and Legal Departments] THE IDEAL PROCESS BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR OWN. YEAH. AND MAYBE, MAYBE I'LL JUST, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF WEIGH IN AND THEN MAYBE MICHAEL TAKE SOME OF THIS. SO, SO AS MENTIONED, WE DID HAVE AN OPENING THE LAST WEEK FOR THE FIRE STATION NUMBER SIX. IT WAS VERY, UH, A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT WE HAD SEVEN BIDS AS PART OF THAT. WE, WE RECEIVED, UM, TWO BID PROTESTS. ONE WAS A TIMING ISSUE, WHETHER A BID WAS TIMELY OR NOT. WE RESOLVED THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY. THE OTHER WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER A NEEDED AFFIDAVIT WAS ACTUALLY INCLUDED WITH A LOW BID THAT, UM, DEALT WITH WHETHER OR NOT, UM, A DRUG FREE WORKPLACE AFFIDAVIT WAS INCLUDED. PUBLIC WORKS THEN, UM, BEGAN RUNNING THAT DOWN WITH LEGAL, UM, ON WHETHER THAT SHOULD HAVE OR NEEDS TO BE REQUIRED. AND, UM, AS THAT WAS VETTED AS PART OF LAST WEEK, THE DETERMINATION THAT WAS MADE THAT, UM, THERE IS A STATE STATUTE THAT MICHAEL WILL LIKELY GO THROUGH THAT, UH, REQUIRES THAT ON STATE CONTRACTS. BUT WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLY FOR THE BID IN QUESTION. UM, AND SO THE, THE RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD WAS TO HAVE THE REGULAR BID AWARD GO TO THE LOW BIDDER, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT, BUT FOR SOME DETAIL WORK. MAYBE I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO MICHAEL IF YOU WANT TO COVER, UM, SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. SO THE SPECIFIC, UH, STATUTE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THAT, UH, PROTEST WAS, UH, THE IDAHO EMPLOYEE ALCOHOL AND DRUG FREE WORKPLACE ACT. THERE IS IN THAT ACT, A SECTION OF IDAHO CODE 72 17 17, WHICH STATES, IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE AWARD OF A STATE CONTRACT FOR THE CON CONSTRUCTION OR IMPROVEMENT OF ANY PUBLIC PROPERTY OR PUBLICLY OWNED BUILDINGS, CONTRACTORS SHALL SUBMIT AN AFFIDAVIT ALONG WITH ITS BID FOR THE PROJECT. UM, AND THAT WAS THE QUESTION IS WHO, WHO SUBMITTED A BID WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR BID, WHO SUBMITTED THIS AFFIDAVIT THAT THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH THE IDAHO EMPLOYEE ALCOHOL AND GEOGRAPHY WORKPLACE ACT? IT WAS NOT IN THE CITY'S BIDDING, UH, FORM FOR ANYONE TO SUBMIT AN AFFIDAVIT. SO ONLY ONE BIDDER SUBMITTED ONE. AND, UH, SO WE, AS ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR A WHILE MIGHT REMEMBER, UH, THE IDAHO CODE IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR WHEN THE WORD STATE MEANS JUST THE STATE OF IDAHO AND WHEN THE WORD STATE MEANS EVERYBODY. SO YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS HAD A DISPUTE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE IDAHO SUPREME COURT, UH, ABOUT THE WORD STATE THAT APPEARED IN THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS SECTIONS OF THE IDAHO CODE. AND THAT, AND THAT GOT, UH, RESOLVED THAT IN THAT SECTION, UH, STATE MEANT, UH, GENERAL REFERENCE TO GOVERNMENT GENERAL. THE REASON WHY, AND WE DUG INTO THIS QUITE A BIT, UH, AT ONE POINT WE HAD THREE ATTORNEYS DOING LEGAL RESEARCH. I MYSELF READ THE ORIGINAL WORKERS' COMPENSATION ACT THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 1917, UH, TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, IN THIS, IN A STATUTORY CONTEXT, WHEN THE LEGISLATURE GIVES A PARTICULAR DEFINITION, THEN THAT DEFINITION CONTROLS THROUGHOUT THAT, UH, SYSTEM OF, OF ACTS. AND IF YOU GO TO THE BEGINNING OF TITLE 72, THERE'S A DEFINITION SECTION IN SECTION IN CHAPTER ONE OF TITLE 72. AND IN THAT SECTION OF, UH, IN THAT DEFINITION SECTION, THAT GIVES A VERY PARTICULAR DEFINITION TO THE WORD STATE. AND, UH, STATE IS DEFINED AS A STATE TERRITORY, UM, UH, COMMONWEALTH OF THE UNITED STATES OR CANADA. SO IT IS A VERY PECULIAR DEFINITION IN THE DEFINITION SECTION. THERE'S A WHOLE ALSO REFERENCE TO GOVERNMENTAL POLITICAL [00:05:01] SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS IS. AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD STATE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, IN THE SECTION RIGHT BEFORE, UH, 72, 17 17, THERE IS A PROVISION OF THE ALCOHOL DRUG WORKPLACE ACT THAT SAYS THAT IF THE STATE OF IDAHO OR ITS POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM, THAT THEY'LL GET A REDUCTION ON THEIR WORKERS' COMPENSATION INSURANCE. AND INDEED, AS YOU DIG INTO THE ALCOHOL AND DRUG PLEA, WAS PLACE ACT, IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY PART OF THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION LAW. IT PROVIDES A WAY IN WHICH EMPLOYERS CAN RECEIVE A DISCOUNT ON THEIR WORKERS', UH, INSURANCE, THEIR WORKERS', UH, INJURY INSURANCE PREMIUMS. SO IT'S A PREMIUM, UH, REDUCTION, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE FOR YOUR CAR INSURANCE. IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM, YOU MIGHT GET A REDUCTION ON YOUR CAR INSURANCE. IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT. SO IT'S PART OF THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION LAW, WHICH MEANS THAT STATE HAS THAT VERY PECULIAR DEFINITION. SO BASED OFF OF THAT, AND, UH, LOOKING AT THE CASE LAW THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN DIRECTLY IN THE PAST, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE WORD STATE IS PARTICULAR TO THE STATE OF IDAHO IN THIS SECTION. AND THAT THIS CITY DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE IN NOT INCLUDING IT IN ITS BIDDING DOCUMENTS. AND THAT THE, UH, CONTRACT OUGHT TO BE REWARDED TO THE RESPONSIBLE LOWEST BIDDER, EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT SUBMIT AN AFFIDAVIT AS A LOT OF LEGAL ANALYSIS. IT'S PRETTY LAWYERY SPEAKING. EVEN LAWYER, THERE WAS A, I REMEMBER RIGHT. WASN'T THERE SOMETHING DURING THAT ARGUMENT ABOUT CAPITALIZED STATE VERSUS YES, UHHUH , SO IT'S CAPITALIZED, ACTUALLY REFER TO STATE OF IDAHO. I'M, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A REALLY LAWYER ANSWER, WHICH IS, IT DEPENDS. AND, UH, , SO THERE, THERE IS NO UNIFIED STANDARDIZED WAY THAT THE LEGISLATURE REFERS TO THE STATE OF IDAHO. UH, THERE, THEY DO IT IN A MULTIPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THERE'S EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT THE IDAHO CODE WHERE IT'S ONE WAY, AND THEN, UH, IN THE VERY NEXT SESSION, IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT WAY. SOMETIMES THE LEGISLATURE WILL REFER TO THE STATE OF IDAHO AS THE STATE OF IDAHO. SOMETIMES THEY'LL CAPITALIZE THE WORD STATE, SUGGEST THAT IT'S JUST THE STATE. SOMETIMES THEY'LL LEAVE IT, UH, AS AN UNCAPITALIZED TERM AS THEY DID IN THIS ACT. BUT THEY'LL PROVIDE A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC DEFINITION THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO, UH, A STATE GOVERNMENT AS THEY HAVE IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, DID WE GET A BREAK? THE CITY PARTICIPATES IN THE, UH, ALCOHOL AND, UH, DRUG FREE WORKPLACE, UH, PROGRAM. AND WE DO RECEIVE A DISCOUNT ON OUR WORKERS' COMPENSATION INSURANCE BECAUSE OF THAT? WELL, UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE JUST HAVE IT ON FILE. YEAH, I, WE COULD REQUIRE THAT. UH, I THINK THE, I THINK THAT IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR IN THE LAW ON WHETHER ON WHEN THE AFFIDAVIT'S REQUIRED. IT'S, UH, IT'S REQUIRED TO BE, UH, IT SAYS THAT BEFORE YOU SUBMIT A BID, YOU'LL SUBMIT AN AFFIDAVIT ALONG WITH THE BID THAT COULD BE CONTEMPORANEOUS, THAT COULD BE SHORTLY THEREAFTER. IT COULD BE BEFORE YOU'RE AWARDED THE PROJECT. UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, UH, VERY CLEAR. IT'S NOT A MODEL EXAMPLE OF CLEAR LEGISLATION DIRECTED LEGISLATIVE SAY, ALSO, UM, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO THE, THIS, UH, OBJECTION TO THE BID AWARD, UH, IS IT AN INFORMAL OBJECTION? YOU CAN'T MAKE A FORMAL OB OBJECTION TO THE AWARD UNTIL THE COUNCIL ACTS. SO ONCE COUNCIL [00:10:01] AWARDS THIS TOMORROW, IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO AWARD IT, UH, THAT YOU MIGHT SEE A BID, UH, OBJECTION TO THAT. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL AS WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO UNDER THE LAW. AND WE'LL DIG MORE INTO THIS THEN, AND WE'LL PROBABLY GET SOME SPECIFIC COUNTER ARGUMENTS TO OUR OPINION. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH THE CITY'S OPINION ON THIS OR COUNCIL'S OPINION, UH, PROCESS WISE, A PROTEST, BUT WOULD BE NOTIFIED A PROTEST IF YOU YEAH, I THINK WHAT THE CITY GOT WAS A QUESTION, WHICH IS WHO HAS SUBMITTED A DRUG, ALCOHOL AND DRUG-FREE WORKPLACE AFFIDAVIT. OKAY. AND THE ANSWER IS A ONE BIDDER DID, AND WE HAD SEVEN BIDDERS. AND I THINK NATURALLY THE CITY KIND OF ANTICIPATES THAT THERE MIGHT BE A PROTEST ON THIS SAYING THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE RESPONSIVE BIDDER BECAUSE THEY WERE THE ONLY ONE WHO SUBMITTED THEIR AFFIDAVIT. AND, UH, IT, IT'S MY LEGAL OPINION THAT YOU DO NOT NEED TO SUBMIT AN AFFIDAVIT WITH YOUR BID FOR A CITY OR LOCAL BID PROJECT, THAT YOU ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO DO THAT WHEN YOU ARE BIDDING ON A STATE OF IDAHO CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. LAST QUESTION IS, IF, UM, AN OBJECTION IS, UH, FORMALLY LODGED OR PROTEST IS MADE, WHATEVER THAT LANGUAGE IS, UM, WOULD THAT COME IN THE FORM? UM, WOULD RESOLVING IT COME IN THE FORM OF A PROTEST IF THE CITY WAS GOING TO STAND FIRM AND THEY WERE GOING TO STAND FIRM ON, ON THOSE TWO DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS? YES. IN FACT, UH, IDAHO CODE, UH, 67 28 0 5 WOULD REQUIRE THE COUNCIL TO REVIEW THE PROTEST IN A COUNCIL MEETING. AND SO IF THAT HAPPENS, AND WE'RE, NO ONE SAID THAT THEY WILL, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT IT WILL, IT'S WHY WE'RE GIVING THE COUNCIL A HEADS UP NOW THAT WE'VE TAKEN A CAREFUL LOOK AT THIS AND THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS INTERNALLY WITH CITY STAFF. I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH A LOT OF OTHER OUTSIDE CITY ATTORNEYS TO SEE WHO ELSE HAS RUN INTO THIS ISSUE. AND, UH, NOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF FIRMED UP OUR OPINION, UH, WE THOUGHT WE'D GIVE YOU A PREVIEW BEFORE YOU AWARD THE CONTRACT. SO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL CONCERNS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THAT THEY WANT CHASED DOWN AND FLESHED OUT, THAT STAFF CAN GET TO THOSE QUESTIONS AND GET YOU ANSWERS BEFORE YOU'RE ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT. THANK YOU. SO COUNSEL, TOMORROW NIGHT, THERE IS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE BID AWARD. IT'S THE FIRST ITEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. AND, UM, I GUESS, UH, KNOWING THAT THAT'S AHEAD OF YOU, UH, TOMORROW AND KNOWING THE, THE, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE AND WHAT CONCERNS DO YOU WANT TO AIR WITH, UH, THE EXPERTS HERE AT THE TABLE? COUNCILOR FRANCIS. SO WHEN WE PUT OUT THIS BID, EVERYTHING WAS DONE THE WAY WE USUALLY HAVE DONE THINGS CORRECT. WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WE NORMALLY DO, EXCEPT NO STANDARDS WERE FIRED. THIS WAS BID OUT EXACTLY LIKE WE DID WHEN WE BID OUT THE POLICE STATION PROJECT. IT'S NOT DIFFERENT. WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS LIKE THIS WHERE WE HAVE NOT REQUIRED THE ALCOHOL AND TRUCK FREE WORKPLACE, HAD THE DATA THINK THAT'S THE KEY PIECE FOR ME. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE FEDERAL AID PROJECTS THAT ARE THROUGH THE STATE, WE DO HAVE THAT AFFIDAVIT INCLUDED WITH THOSE CONTRACTS. SO LIKE THE IP CONTRACTS, THOSE, THOSE PART OF FEDERAL AID PACKAGES, INCLUSIVE, THOSE. BUT, BUT AS WAS MENTIONED, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN USED ON OUR REGULAR RUN OF THE MILL PROJECTS FOR ANY PUBLIC WORKS, OR THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT JUST AS, YOU KNOW, VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION ARCHITECTURAL SPECS AS OPPOSED TO OUR STANDARD PUBLIC WORK SPECS. BUT REGARDLESS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT AFFIDAVIT INCLUDED WITHIN . OKAY. I HAVE ONE FOR YOU TOO, CHRIS. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW COMMON THIS IS. THIS IS FOR SOMEBODY TO FILE A PROB TEST. UM, I THINK WE DEAL WITH, WITH QUESTIONS THEREOF, PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON QUESTION THAT ANSWER IS USUALLY IF A BIDDER IS THE SECOND LOW, RIGHT? THEY'RE IN LINE. IF, IF THE LOW BID IS THROWN OUT, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN STATE STATUTE THAT YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE YOUR, YOUR BIG THREE SUBCONTRACTORS, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, AND MECHANICAL. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED AND HAS TO BE RECEIVED. SO THERE'S BEEN PROBABLY MORE CONTRACTORS THAN THEY WOULD CARE TO ADMIT HAVE LOST JOBS BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T INCLUDED THOSE THREE IN A CONTRACT. AND NOW YOU GO TO THE SECOND ONE. SO I'D SAY THAT'S MORE COMMON. THIS ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WE'VE EVER HEARD FROM A CONTRACTOR BEFORE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AFFIDAVIT. SO GENERALLY, OUR, OUR BIDS WHEN WE OPEN, THOSE ARE PRETTY CLEAR CUT. THERE MAY BE SOME ERRORS IN SOME OF THE ACCOUNTING, YOU KNOW, JUST ADDING NUMBERS THAT WE CLARIFY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT FORMAL BID PROTESTS, I, THEY'RE VERY, VERY RARE. OKAY. ONE, ONE MORE. UM, DO YOU FORESEE THIS SETTING BACK THE, [00:15:01] THE CONSTRUCTION TIMING? I THINK IF IT GOES TO COURT, YOU KNOW, ONE ITEM THAT, THAT WE DID WANT TO JUST MENTION THIS, THIS HAS OUR FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. I BELIEVE THERE'S LIKE 1.4 MILLION OF THE, THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE BID WITH THE BID ALTERNATIVE. I THINK WE WOULD COME TO COUNCIL TOMORROW NIGHT WITH AROUND $2.6 MILLION. UM, AND THE RECOMMENDATION, IF WE WERE GONNA REDO THIS, WOULD BE TO REJECT ALL BIDS AND, AND REBID THAT PROCESS. MM-HMM. , UM, AND THEN GET THAT BACK TO COUNSEL AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY COULD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE ARTICLES. AND SO IN THAT VEIN, THAT'S PROBABLY MORE THE DRIVING FACTOR THAN THE ACTUAL OPENING OF THE, THE FIRE STATION WOULD BE. OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY, UM, ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. SO DOES, UH, USE OF ARPA KICK IN, UM, FROM FEDERAL, UH, CONTRACTING AND, AND BUILDING PAY? UH, WHAT IS THE PAY SCALE THAT YOU HAVE TO USE? UM, DAVE DAVE'S VACANT IT. NO, ANY OF THAT. WE VETTED THAT WITH ALL OF OUR, UH, OTHER CONTRACTS THAT WE'VE BID PASSED, AND WE DID HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE WITH THOSE, SO. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU FEEL PREPARED TO MAKE YOUR VOTE TOMORROW EVENING OR AT LEAST ON THIS QUESTION ANYWAY? OKAY. UM, GREAT. UH, ANYTHING ELSE, UH, THAT, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? UH, I, BILL CHIEF, I, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE BID ITSELF. ONE, THE BID THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE TOMORROW, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE TAKEN OFF AS OPPOSED TO ALTERNATIVES TO GET ADDED. IS IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THOSE ALTERNATIVES OR THEY, THEY WERE BUILT IN AND, I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMED OPPOSITE TO ME THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT NORMALLY WOULD BE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY BID AS A PROJECT WITH A BASE BID, AND THEN THERE WERE TWO BID ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE ACTUALLY DEDUCTS TO THAT. SO ONE WAS AN ALTERNATE ROOFING SYSTEM. OH, THAT WAS BID ALTERNATE ONE HAD A DEDUCT, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS REMOVING METERS IN THE EXERCISE ROOM, I BELIEVE. SO AS WE WORKED THAT THROUGH WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAD ELECTED TO GO WITH THE BASE BID AND THEN THE ALTERNATE TO DEDUCT, WHICH WAS AROUND $3,900 SUBTRACTED FROM THE BASE BID. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WILL BE INCLUSIVE IN THE MEMO THAT YOU'LL RECEIVE TOMORROW IS BASE BID ALTERNATE MINUS. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANKS. I JUST, SO THEY CAN'T WATCH THEMSELVES LIFT WEIGHTS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, I THINK THEN WE'RE, UH, CLEAR ENOUGH ON THIS. UM, NOT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE NUANCE PERFECT NUANCES OF, UH, MIKE'S UH, LEGAL MIND HERE, BUT, UH, THIS IS GOOD, GOOD TO KNOW. APPRECIATE, UH, HOW CAREFULLY YOU STUDIED THAT. THANK YOU DIRECTORS. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL [Community Development Services, Public Works and Police Department] MEMBERS, THAT TAKES US TO THE SECOND ITEM, WHICH IS COMING TO US FROM ANOTHER, UH, COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS. WE'VE GOT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PUBLIC WORKS. UM, OUR DIRECTOR SANTA IS OUT OF TOWN. WE'VE GOT, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, BUTLER, AND, UH, WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE ROOM. SO I GUESS, UH, CARRIE'S GONNA TAKE IT ALONE AND THAT THESE GUYS WILL JUMP UP TO RESCUE HIM IF HE NEEDS IT. SO, UM, IT VARIES. RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, THIS CONVERSATION, UM, AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED, INVOLVES, UM, I-F-D-D-C AND WE HAVE SEVERAL, UH, FOLKS IN THE ROOM WHO WORK WITH I-F-P-D-C. THANKS, SIR. UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S PASSING THE PAPERS AROUND, THAT'S BRIAN CHAPMAN. HE'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT HE'S, UH, GONNA SIT AT THE TABLE, UM, I GUESS, AND HE'S BEEN, HE'S PASSED AROUND THE, THE PAPERWORK. THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS OF HIS BOARD, UH, BACK THERE, THREE MEMBER MEMBERS OF HIS BOARD. WE ALSO HAVE KAITLYN, UM, WELL, RIGHT, KAITLYN LONG, WHO IS, UM, A CDS, UH, EMPLOYEE. SHE'S ONE OF OUR PLANNERS. AND SHE, UM, LIAISES WITH, DIRECTLY WITH THE I-F-D-D-C BOARD IN THE SENSE THAT SHE ATTENDS THEIR MEETINGS AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEPS THE COMMUNICATION WITHIN CDS, UH, GOING. AND SO, UM, NORMALLY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE ARE HEARING FROM CDS SORT OF AS A, AN ANNUAL REPORT KIND OF A THING, BUT THEY'VE HAD, UM, TURNOVER IN THEIR LEADERSHIP. AND SO, UM, BRIAN, UM, AND I HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO TALK, OR I'LL SAY MR. CHAPMAN AND I, SORRY, UM, HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK AND SORT OF SET UP A RHYTHM FOR THOSE REPORTS. UM, AND SO, UM, DON'T, UH, WE, WE ARE JUST NEEDING TO TAKE CARE OF SOME BUSINESS. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT TO YOU, DIRECTOR BUTLER, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT COMES. THANK YOU. OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANYTHING ELSE? WE APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US SOME TIME TODAY, AS YOU SAID, UH, DIRECTOR SANDS OUT. SO I'M TRYING TO, TO JUMP IN A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND THIS IS JUST REGARDING, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT, UM, ABOUT METERED PARKING DOWNTOWN AND, UH, HOW, UM, IDAHO FALLS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, UH, YOU KNOW, MANAGES DOWNTOWN PARKING FOR US. AND THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER FACET OF THAT. UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THEIR END, UH, TO, TO WORK [00:20:01] THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND SO REALLY, IT IS A MATTER OF TRYING TO GET BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND A REPORT. UH, WE DO ALSO HAVE, UM, JAKE ON THE CALL, UH, WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN KIND OF SETTING ALL OF THAT STUFF UP. SO, REALLY, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, TO, UH, MR. CHAPIN TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH WITH, WHERE IS IT, CHAFIN OR CHAPMAN? IT'S CHAPMAN CHAPIN. OKAY, MR. CHAP. THANK YOU. YEAH, AFTER 43 YEARS, IT DON'T MATTER. UM, WELL, ONE, THANKS FOR HAVING ME TODAY. UM, I KNOW THAT, LIKE THE MAYOR HAS SPOKEN AND EXPRESSED THAT APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN SITTING FOR A MINUTE DUE TO NOT HAVING AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. SO NOW THAT I'M HERE, HERE, WE'RE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. AND I'VE SAT DOWN WITH JAKE EY AND MIKE COMB, UH, FOR THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS COMING TO A, WITH A PLAN. COMING UP WITH A PLAN. UM, AND I KIND OF, THE BIGGEST THING, OR THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE IMPLEMENTATION. YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, UM, EXACTLY. AND HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. AND THE FIRST THING THAT WE'VE, WELL, THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS COMMUNICATION. UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, I'VE DONE SOME STUDYING THROUGH SOME OTHER CITIES, AND I'VE WATCHED SOME OTHER CITIES FAIL TO COMMUNICATE, AND IT DID NOT GO WELL. UM, I'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THEM AND SPOKE WITH SOME OF THEM. UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA GO REALLY, I'M GONNA BE REALLY BRIEF ON KIND OF SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT WE WANT TO PASS ALONG AND BRING INTO OUR, UH, PLAN ATTACK. AND ONE THAT WOULD BE STARTING WITH THE EMAILS WITH ALL THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, BUSINESS OWNERS, ALSO BUS, UH, BUILDING OWNERS, UM, EXPRESSING TO THAT KIND OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WHAT TO EXPECT. UM, NEWS STATION, WELL PRESS RELEASES WITH THE NEWS STATION, UM, MAGAZINE ARTICLES. I FEEL THAT IT'S BEST THAT WE GET ON TOP OF THIS IMMEDIATELY AND ARE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST STAY ON TOP OF THAT. AND AS THE I-F-D-D-C, THAT'S MY JOB, IS WHERE I NEED TO PLAY MY ROLE, AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ALL COMMUNICATED VERY WELL THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGHOUT, UM, AGAIN, DOWNTOWN WITH THE MERCHANTS AND BUILDING OWNERS. UM, ALSO NEED TO TALK WITH ERIC ROAR, WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. TRY TO GET SOME IDEAS FROM HIM. EXACTLY. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF HIS EXPERTISE ON THAT, JUST SO WE CAN, UM, AGAIN, GET AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE AS POSSIBLE. UH, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT OUR IDAHO WALLS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE. WE WOULD LIKE TO NOW ADD, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF DEVELOPING A NEW WEBSITE, AND WE NOW'S THE PERFECT TIME TO OPEN UP THAT TAB WITHIN THE WEBSITE, UM, FOR JUST A LITTLE MORE COMMUNICATION AS WELL. UM, LEMME SEE IF I MISSED ANYTHING. WAS THAT NOT WORKING THE WHOLE TIME? YEAH, , IT'S OKAY. YOU WERE PRETTY LOUD. YOU WERE GOOD. I'M A LOUD PERSON. UM, I'M JUST SITTING THERE HOLDING, YEAH. SO ON FROM OUR WEBSITE, BUT REALLY THAT'S ABOUT IT. UM, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE FURTHER AS WE, AS WE GET DOWN TO STARTING THE, UM, PROCESS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF A DATABASE APPROACH AND IT'S DATA DRIVEN. UM, WE'VE LEARNED THAT, AGAIN, FROM OTHER EXPERIENCED MARKETS. UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AT FIRST IS IMPLEMENT ONLY SIGNAGE FOR ONE, THAT'S GONNA CUT DOWN COSTS. WE WON'T IMMEDIATELY GO INTO PARKING STATIONS AND THE METERS THEMSELVES. WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, WITH SIGNS AND THROUGH THE APP ON YOUR PHONE THAT WE CAN GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GET AND COLLECT ENOUGH DATA TO THEN MOVE FORWARD. I'M THINKING THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT A FOUR TO SIX MONTH PROCESS TO WHERE, UM, WE CAN GET ENOUGH INFORMATION, COLLECT ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM THE, UH, COMMUNITY AND FROM EVERYONE DOWNTOWN. UM, I WOULD IMAGINE WE WILL HAVE TO IMPLEMENT A FEW PARKING STATIONS, POSSIBLY SOME METERS. BUT AGAIN, I, WE WANT TO TRY AND KEEP THE COST DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND IF [00:25:01] ANYBODY DOESN'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS, UM, BASICALLY YOU DOWNLOAD THE APP. I DECIDED TO DO THIS WHEN I WAS OVER IN BOISE. UM, FIRST TIME, IT TAKES A MINUTE, BUT ONCE YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, YOU HAVE THE APP. SO IT'D BE GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND EVERYBODY THAT WORKS DOWNTOWN OR IS DOWNTOWN OFTEN, UM, IT'S VERY EASY TO USE. IT'S CALLED PARK SMARTER. UM, YOU'LL HAVE ALL YOUR INFORMATION LOADED INTO IT ONCE YOU DO IT THE FIRST TIME, THE SECOND TIME, UM, IT WILL ASK FOR YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. YOU SIMPLY ADD YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, AND THEN YOU SIMPLY GET A TAB OF HOW LONG YOU WANT TO PARK. ONE HOUR, TWO HOUR, THREE HOUR, TOTALS IT UP. AND, UM, THAT'S, THAT YOU CAN ALSO ADD ONTO IT, WHICH IS GONNA BE GREAT FOR THOSE THAT ARE POSSIBLY IN A MOVIE. AND IT GOES OVER, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE, TWO HOUR PARKING. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVIES THAT RUN OVER TWO HOURS OR THE PREVIEWS AND WHATNOT. SO IF YOU'RE INSIDE THE MOVIES, YOU CAN NOW ADD AN EXTRA HOUR, WHICH WON'T THEN TAX YOU $20. IT'LL ONLY BE ANOTHER $2. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL. UM, AGAIN, AIR SALONS, THAT'S BEEN THE SAME ISSUE WITH A LOT OF THE HAIR SALONS DOWNTOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE THAT, UM, YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE A LOT OF WOMEN WALK OUT WITH THEIR HAIR DYED AND TINFOIL IN THEIR HAIR AND TRY TO GO MOVE THEIR CAR REAL QUICK, WHICH IS VERY INCONVENIENT FOR THEM. IT TRULY IS. AND SO THIS IS JUST GONNA BE MORE OF A CONVENIENCE FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST TWO, UM, EXAMPLES, BUT, UM, IT'LL BE A LOT NICER FOR EVERYBODY JUST TO GO AHEAD AND SET THEIR OWN TIME VERSUS THE FREE TWO HOURS, YOU GET IT, IT'S FREE, BUT THEN AFTER TWO HOURS, PEOPLE ARE THEN HIT WITH THE $20. AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A KIND OF A SEQUENCE THAT JAKE AND I HAVE GONE OVER WITH THAT'S GONNA WORK REALLY WELL, AND EVERYBODY WILL BE REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT. AND AGAIN, UM, BE MORE OF A SERVICE, UM, DOWN HERE DOWNTOWN. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY, UM, ABOUT ALL I HAVE. I IMAGINE SOME OF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND MORE WILLING TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT I DID MISS. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME STUFF WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT, UM, MICHAEL KIRKLAND'S GONNA PROBABLY GO OVER AND ADD SOME, AND, UM, JAKE EY MIGHT WANT TO ADD A FEW THINGS AS WELL. SO, MR. CHAPMAN, IF YOU WANT TO JUST, UM, I, UH, WHO WAS ASSIGNED TO COVER THE COSTS AND THE, UH, PAY FOR HOW TO PAY FOR A BREAKDOWN THAT'S ON PAGES TWO AND THREE AND FOUR, OR, UM, THAT WAS INITIALLY BACK WHEN, UM, WHEN CATHERINE WAS STILL HERE. THEY HAD THOSE. NOW IN THOSE COSTS, WHAT WE ARE DOING, THIS IS A LEASE PROGRAM. UM, SO WE WILL ACTUALLY PAY, AND JAKE KNOWS A LITTLE MORE OF THIS, BUT WE ALMOST, WE'LL NOT PAY ANYTHING OUT OF POCKET IMMEDIATELY FOR THOSE METERS. THEY WILL BE LEASED TO US, UM, SO ON A PAYMENT PROGRAM. SO OVER TIME, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DINGED RIGHT OFF THE BAT FOR THOSE COSTS. THEY'LL JUST PAY FOR THEMSELVES AS WE GRADUALLY GO. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, ON PAGE TWO, I THINK THE INSTALLATION COST MM-HMM. IS OFF. THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT COST THAT DOESN'T, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THE PER STATION COST. THEN THERE'S THE BREAK, AND THEN THE INSTALLATION SHOULD ADD UP TO THE 6,756, BUT THE 13,300 SHOULD BE LIKE 3, 3 30, 50. AND AGAIN, I JUST PULLED THIS, THIS IS FROM, THIS WAS SENT FOR ME FROM THE LAST TIME. UM, AND WE STILL, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GO OUT, GET A FEW MORE BIDS FROM TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES. OKAY. UM, AND IT'S, I JUST DIDN'T HAVE, UH, AS BEING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND ALSO A EVENTS PLANNING AND COORDINATOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. YEAH. UM, I HAVEN'T HAD TIME, BUT I DID LOOK AT THIS AND I WANT TO SEE WHERE WE CAN SAVE COSTS. OKAY. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED, I BROUGHT THIS, UM, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW AN EXAMPLE. OKAY. UH, AGAIN, IF WE CAN GET AWAY WITH A LOT OF THIS, AND WE, STATISTICS HAVE SHOWN IN OTHER CITIES WE DO NOT NEED, I ALSO PROVIDED THE MAP. WE'RE HOPING THAT WE DO NOT NEED ALL OF THAT. DO YOU THINK, SO THIS REPRESENTS 35 METERS? YEAH, THOSE, LIKE, PAY STATIONS KIND OF METERS. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST LIKE ALL OF 'EM COME TO ONE METER. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, THOSE ARE NO PAY STATIONS. THOSE ARE ALL METERS RIGHT THERE. OH, WAIT, NO, I PROBLEM WITH IT TOO. YEAH, I'M CONFUSED. SO THE BOMB SPACE, ARE THERE GONNA BE METERS AT EACH PARKING SPOT, OR ARE THERE GONNA BE A COUPLE OF PAY STATIONS [00:30:01] PER BLOCK WHERE EVERYBODY FROM THAT BLOCK GOES AND PAYS? YES. SO THERE WILL BE METERS ON THE STREETS AS WELL AS THERE WILL BE PARKING STATIONS ON EACH SIDE AS WELL, SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CROSS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, IT'S MAPPED OUT UHHUH TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, THE, THE MAGENTA, UM, OR RED, THOSE WILL BE METERS THEMSELVES OR STATIONS. OKAY. THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN, THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE METERS AS WELL. SO THERE, IT IS GONNA BE AN EXAMPLE OF EACH, UH, UM, DEPENDING ON SOME MIGHT HAVE COINS. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A COIN SLOT METER AT EVERY SINGLE PARKING SPOT. NO. OKAY. I MEAN, I, IT'S, WE'LL JUMP IN HERE AND ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT POSSIBLY. YEAH, SURE. HOLD ON. JAKE, IF WE COULD, UM, AND THANKS FOR JOINING US. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU SOME VOLUME FOR YOUR VOICE HERE. UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? IT'S BETTER. THANK YOU. HOW WAS THAT? PERFECT. OKAY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONE PIECE OF CONTEXT I WANT TO ADD IN ALL OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST TAKE ONE STEP BACK, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A, UH, ZONE PARKING SYSTEM ZONE MEANS WE HAVE OUR, OUR, UH, OUR, UH, CLOSE PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE ZONE ONE. OUR MID LOTS WOULD BE ZONE TWO. AND OUR LOTS IS YOU HAVE TO WALK A COUPLE BLOCKS, LIKE ON YELLOWSTONE WOULD BE ZONE THREE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE DVC HAS ALREADY TAKEN STEPS TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS LARGER GOAL OF HAVING A ZONED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE HAVE THIS REALLY FUN PROBLEM, ACTUALLY, DOWNTOWN'S ACTUALLY DOING REALLY WELL. UH, PARKING HAS IMPROVED, AND WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IT. AND SO TO, TO ANSWER MORE SPECIFICALLY THE QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE PARKING METERS ARE GOING TO WORK, WE WANT TO APPROACH THIS IN A WAY THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS, EVEN, EVEN TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING THIS, IT WAS MAKING MORE SENSE TO DO MORE PARKING STATIONS AS TIME GOES ON. AND ADOPTION INCREASES IN, IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF OF USERS, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO LEVERAGE THAT TO BE, TO RUN IT AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. IF WE CAN PUT A SIGN UP WITH THE QR CODE AND COMMUNICATION IN AN APP, THAT'S A LOT MORE EFFICIENT THAN PUTTING A PAY STATION UP THAT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED AND MAINTAINED AND TAKEN CARE OF. AND SO WE WANT THE ABILITY, WHEN WE START THE, UH, WHEN WE START THE SYSTEM, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE SIGNS UP, UH, DO THE COMMUNICATION, PUT THE SIGNS AND THE COMMUNICATION UP PRIOR TO ADDING THE PAY STATIONS SO WE CAN TEST, TEST AND SEE WHAT THE RESPONSE IS AND SEE WHERE WE NEED 'EM. DO WE REALLY NEED 35 PAY STATIONS, OR COULD WE POSSIBLY DO IT WITH MORE LIKE 20 PAY STATIONS BY GOING THROUGH THIS IN A, IN A LITTLE MORE OF A PHASED, UM, IMPLEMENTATION, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IS GONNA BE MOST EFFECTIVE FOR THE CUSTOMERS AND THE PATRONS THAT COME DOWNTOWN. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO SOME OF IT, , I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING REAL PARKING METERS ON THE STREET, UH, AT THE CURB, CURB EDGE AT ALL IF, IF NEEDED, IF WE DON'T NEED THEM, I WOULD NOT INSTALL ONE. OKAY. IF THEY, IF, IF PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO USE IT AT A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE AND WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T USE IT, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE A CHANGE. WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE THOSE FOLKS. OKAY. VERY GOOD. I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT IF YOU HAVE A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHY THEY TOOK 'EM OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, , THIS IS A, YEAH, THIS IS A BIGGER QUESTION. SO, PRIOR TO, WE'RE GOING INTO HISTORICAL IDAHO FALLS. SO HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REASON THAT, UH, THE PARKING METERS WERE TAKEN OUT IS BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, UH, THERE WAS MAINTENANCE ISSUES. BUT THAT NUMBER TWO, UM, DOWNTOWN BECAME A PLACE THAT WAS MOSTLY BOARDED UP. AND SO PARKING DOWN, I SHOULDN'T SAY MOSTLY BOARDED UP, THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF VACANT BUILDINGS, AND IT WASN'T THE PLACE TO BE. AND SO THERE WASN'T A WHOLE BUNCH OF PATRONS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF, UH, PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO BE PART OF THE ECONOMY, THAT WERE COMPETING FOR THIS SPACE. AS THE ECONOMY DOWNTOWN GROWS MORE AND MORE, AND WE HAVE EVENTS, YOU KNOW, AT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO, WE HAVE RESTAURANTS, IT'S JUST CREATING MORE [00:35:01] NEED TO MANAGE THE PARKING MORE EFFICIENTLY. YET YOU REMEMBER FROM THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE HAD DONE BEFORE, WE'VE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY, YOU GUYS HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING. YOU JUST NEED TO MANAGE IT MORE EFFECTIVELY AND IN A MORE DATA-BASED WAY. AND SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT WAS A LOT DIFFERENT ECONOMY BACK IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES WHEN THOSE WERE TAKEN OUT. THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING IN IDAHO FALLS THAT WERE PULLING PEOPLE OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO WHERE IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. OKAY. YOU WANTED TO GIVE 'EM FREE PARKING, IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? I SAID, YOU THINK YOU WANTED TO GIVE 'EM FREE PARKING TO, TO NOT TO DRIVE THEM AWAY? THAT THEY HAD TO PAY TO PARK DOWNTOWN BACK THEN, SO, YEAH. YEAH. IT WAS, IT WAS MORE LIKE, UH, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY, YOU KNOW, IF I REMEMBER AT THAT, THAT TIME, THERE'S LITTLE LIGHTS, CYCLING LIGHTS DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU GO, YOU GO UP TO THE LIGHTS, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT VERY MANY PLACES OPEN. THERE WAS A GROCERY STORE, THERE WAS A LOT OF VACANT BUILDINGS. IT, IT BECAME TOO MUCH TO MANAGE, TO MANAGE THE, THE REPAIRS ON THOSE. THEY WERE ONLY PAYING A FEW CENT. THEY WOULDN'T EVEN PAY ENOUGH TO MANAGE 'EM. OKAY. IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO KEEP 'EM AT THAT TIME. OKAY. SO IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. UM, THE, UH, I, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO'VE SAID, WE WERE HOPING BY MAKING PARKING FREE, WE WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO COME BACK DOWNTOWN AND GO SHOPPING. MM-HMM. , UM, UM, WITH WHAT, UH, WHAT WAS THERE? UM, THE, UM, IN A WAY THOUGH, UM, YOU, YOU, I'VE BEEN TO, UM, SOME TRAININGS ON DOWNTOWNS. AND THE DOWNTOWN PARKING TOOK UP PROBABLY TWO HOURS OUT OF A FOUR HOUR CLASS. AND IT'S BECAUSE EVERY DOWNTOWN STRUGGLES WITH PARKING. AND, UM, A BIG PART OF IT IS, UH, GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH VALUE DOWNTOWN THAT ALL OF THE REAL ESTATE CAN BE VALUED. AND SO WHEN YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE CURBSIDE BECOMES VALUABLE, WE'RE THERE WHERE WE'VE BEEN AT THAT POINT FOR A WHILE NOW, WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT, THAT IS A, A REALLY HEALTHY SIGN BECAUSE IT, IT SHOWS THAT, UM, THERE IS THAT VIBRANCY AND THAT DEMAND AND THAT INTEREST IN BEING DOWNTOWN. UM, AND THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO AT THAT POINT IS TO ONLY HAVE FREE PARKING BECAUSE YOU SEND A MESSAGE THAT, THAT SOME PARTS OF DOWNTOWN DON'T HAVE VALUE. BUT IN FACT, EVERY SQUARE FOOT OF DOWNTOWN, WHEN YOU HAVE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN, HAS VALUE. AND, AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE, MAKE IT PAY. AND IN THIS CASE, UM, HAVING THE ZONED PARKING, UM, AND IF YOU PARKED IN DOWNTOWN BOISE, YOU'VE EXPERIENCED THAT, UM, THE ZONE PARKING MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO WALK, THEY CAN SAVE MONEY. AND IF THEY'RE WANTING THAT CONVENIENCE, THEY'LL PAY MORE. AND, AND SO IT WORKS OUT TO MEET EVERYBODY'S BUDGET, AND YET IT ALSO SERVES TO MEET THE NEED OF CONTROLLING WITH THE MARKET, USING THE MARKET TO CONTROL. AND SO IT'S, IT'S, I THINK, KIND OF EXCITING THAT WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. UM, AND I ALSO LOVE, UM, THE IDEA THAT WE CAN RELY ON PARKING PARKERS TO USE THIS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO RIP UP OUR SIDEWALKS AND INSTALL OLD TIME, UH, TECHNOLOGY. AND SO I'M, I'M PRETTY EXCITED THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THIS WITH SIGNAGE AND WITH ENFORCEMENT. AND SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE'RE DONE HERE WILL BE TO THE CHIEF TO FIND OUT JUST HOW ENFORCEABLE THIS IS, UM, AND WHAT IPC'S ENFORCEMENT PLANS ARE. BUT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE JUST YET BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER. BUT THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL COME UP AT SOME POINT. BUT THANK YOU, UH, JAKE FOR THAT BACKGROUND. UM, SO WHAT, WHERE DO YOU WANNA GO NEXT? UH, MR. CHAPMAN? UM, YEAH, I WANT TO WALK THROUGH, DO THE UPDATE. SO WE PREPARED A, UH, METERED PARKING ORDINANCE. THAT, AND, AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THINK CONCEPTUALLY ON HOW THE DOWNTOWN PARKING ORDINANCE WORKS CONCEPTUALLY. UH, WHAT THE DOWNTOWN PARKING ORDINANCE DOES TODAY IS IT GIVES AUTHORITY TO THE CITY POLICE OR THEIR PARKING AGENT, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO REGULATE PARKING BY SIGNAGE. AND SO, UH, THE, UH, CITY OR ITS AGENT CAN GO AND SIGN, UH, WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO SIGN IN REACTION TO WHAT IT NEEDS IN DOWNTOWN. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT A FEW YEARS AGO THAT COUNCIL ADDED A, UH, ADDITIONAL OPTION TO SIGN, UH, PARKING IN WHAT WE CALL BLOCK BASED PARKING. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE SIGNS THAT CAN BE PLACED AND THAT ANYONE WHO PARKS, UH, IN A BLOCK BASED AREA HAS TO OBSERVE THE REGULATIONS ON THE SIGN. SO, CONCEPTUALLY, HIGH LEVEL, [00:40:01] IF YOU'RE IN DOWNTOWN PARKING, YOU'RE REGULATED BY WHATEVER SIGN IT IS WHERE YOU'RE PARKING. THIS ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW THE POLICE OR THEIR PARKING AGENT, IN ADDITION TO, UH, INSTALLING SIGNS TO INSTALL PARKING METER AREAS. AND, UH, PARKING METERS ARE DEFINED FAIRLY BROADLY AS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEVICES. IT COULD BE A TRADITIONAL POINT OPERATED METER THAT EVERYONE IS, UH, REMEMBERS. IT COULD BE A COMMON PAY STATION THAT YOU GO TO AND, AND GET A PRINTED RECEIVED, OR IT COULD BE ELECTRONIC COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT YOU CONNECT TO THROUGH THE INTERNET. THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS, IN OTHER WORDS. AND THAT GOES KIND OF BACK TO THE OVERALL IDEA OF THE DOWNTOWN PARKING, WHERE YOU WANT IT ABILITY FOR THE ENFORCER TO FIND WHAT WORKS. AND THAT'S REALLY THE THEME OF, UH, THE METERED PARKING. UNDER THE METERED PARKING ORDINANCE. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE ITS AGENT COULD INSTALL AREAS AND DESIGNATE AREAS THAT WILL BE REGULATED BY PARKING METER. IT ESTABLISHES RULES FOR, UM, HOW THE PARKING METERS ARE PHYSICALLY PLACED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF THEY'RE PLACED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY INCLUDES THE SIDEWALKS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT JUST THE ROAD, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE SIDEWALK TOO. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, IT, IT, UH, INSTRUCTS THE POLICE OR THE PARKING AGENT THAT THEY CAN'T PLACE THE METER IN SOME WAY, WAY THAT WOULD DISRUPT, UH, PEDESTRIANS MOVING THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IN A WAY THAT WOULD DISRUPT OR VIOLATE THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT. AND, UH, IT WOULD GIVE, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THEIR AGENT, UH, SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR ESTABLISHING MAXIMUM PARKING DURATIONS TIME. SO, LIKE YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN A CITY WHERE YOU CAN BUY PARKING, BUT YOU CAN'T BUY PARKING FOR LONGER THAN FOUR HOURS, BUT YOU COULD BUY IT IN MAYBE HALF AN HOUR INCREMENTS, ANYWHERE ALONG THAT THIS WOULD GIVE FLEXIBILITY AND, AND, AND POTENTIALLY FLEXIBILITY FROM SPACE TO SPACE. BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE THAT WAY. UM, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR, UH, WHO IS REQUIRED TO PAY A METER, UH, PARKING, UH, FINE OR NOT FINE. BUT, UH, FEE, UH, IF YOU, AND THIS IS STATE LAW. IF YOU HAVE A PLACARD ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, OR THAT YOU HAVE A DISABILITY IN THIS STATE, YOU ARE RE THE, THE LOCAL AUTHOR IS REQUIRED TO LET THAT PERSON PARK FOR FREE AND PARK IN WAYS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE VIOLATE APARTMENT WORK. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A DISABILITY PLACARD RIGHT NOW AND YOU PARK IN A TWO HOUR PARKING ZONE, UH, YOU'RE PERMITTED TO PARK THERE ALL DAY. THAT'S BECAUSE WE FOLLOW THE STATE LAW. AND THE STATE LAW PROVIDES THAT EXCEPTION. SO IT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE METERED PARKING, UH, PROPOSAL TOO. THIS WOULD ALSO, UH, UH, GIVE KIND OF A FREE PARKING ON LEGAL HOLIDAYS, UM, AND ALSO GIVE A FREE PARKING TO, UH, GOVERNMENT, UH, VEHICLES THAT ARE PERFORMING, UH, ACTIVITIES RELATED WITH THEIR JOBS. SO THE POLICE OFFICER PARKS IN A SPOT TO RESPOND TO A STICKUP AT THE MOVIE THEATER. AND THEY'RE THERE AND THEY DIDN'T PAY THE FEE BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THEIR WAY TO STOP SOMETHING FROM HAPPENING. THIS WENT INTO RESULT IN A FINE, THE POLICE OR PARKS EMPLOYEE WHO'S WATERING A PLANT OR A COUNTY EMPLOYEE THAT'S, UH, RUNNING SOMETHING FOR THE JUDGES. IT TAKES THAT INTO MIND. UM, IT HAS TO BE RELATED TO THEIR, UH, EMPLOYMENT, SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE PERFORMING. WE MIGHT NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW THERE IS SOME CONCERN THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME THAT WILL HAVE A COUNTY EMPLOYEE WHO MAYBE WORKS IN THEIR PAYROLL OFFICE WHO PARKS THEIR CAR, GOES IN AND DOES THEIR WORK AT THE PAYROLL OFFICE AND SAYS, OH, I WAS PERFORMING MY JOB SO YOU CAN'T CHARGE ME A FEE. SO WE NEED TO MAYBE THINK THAT, CLARIFY THE SORT OF EXCEPTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN MY MIND, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, UH, POLICE OFFICERS AND PARKS EMPLOYEES AND, AND, UH, THAT KIND OF THING HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE PAYING A FEE FOR PARKING. THERE COULD BE OTHER EXCEPTIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER EXCEPTIONS THE COUNTY, UH, THE COUNCIL MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. BUT THAT'S, UH, PART OF IT. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS JUST SOME MECHANICAL, UH, THINGS THAT WE CAN CLARIFY WITH SOMEONE THAT VIOLATED THE PARKING ORDINANCE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU, UH, PARK IN A METERED PARKING ZONE, BUT YOU TWO SPOTS AND YOU PAY YOUR PARKING FINE, OR B RATHER, YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET WRITTEN UP 'CAUSE YOU'RE DOUBLE PARKED. THAT'S A FEATURE OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEARLY EXPRESSED. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S KIND OF THE THINKING BEHIND IT, IS IT [00:45:01] SHOULD DOVETAIL INTO THE POLICY OF FLEXIBILITY AND SIGNAGE THAT WE'VE ALREADY BUILT INTO OUR DOWNTOWN PARKING. AND THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT YOU'VE GOTTA PAY A FEE TO PARTNER. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE? COUNCILOR FRANCIS? WELL, I, I GUESS, ARE WE GONNA VOTE ON THIS AT SOME POINT? AT SOME POINT? THIS IS, THIS IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU NOW KIND OF TO GIVE YOU YOUR FIRST BITE AT IT. UH, BECAUSE THERE, THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT NEED TO GET FIXED AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVEN'T COMPLETELY THOUGHT THROUGH EVERYTHING YET. THIS IS NOT READY FOR A VOTE, IN MY OPINION. BUT IT IS READY FOR COUNCIL'S INPUT AND WEIGHING IN. IF, UH, IF IT'S CLOSE TO WHAT YOU WANT, THEN MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE US A DIRECTION AND WE COULD BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR A COUNCIL VOTE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE IT, UH, ON AN AGENDA FOR YOU TO VOTE ON TO ACCEPT, UH, THE THOUGHT BEING THAT THERE IS, MAYBE WE WE'RE, PARKING IS SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY'S DEEPLY CONCERNED WITH. WE WANTED TO GIVE THE COUNCIL SOME TIME TO DIGEST THE PROPOSED CHANGES AND, UH, MAYBE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME MEET WITH ME OR JACOB TO EXPRESS WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IN THERE. AND THEN MAYBE BRING THIS BACK TO ONE MORE WORK SESSION AND, UH, GO FROM THERE. SO HERE'S THE THOUGHT AND, AND KIND OF A QUESTION ALSO. BUT SEE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WANT TO DO THIS IS THE VALUE OF PARKING DOWNTOWN FOR CUSTOMERS, FOR BUSINESS DOWNTOWN, ET CETERA. AND IT WAS TO ENCOURAGE OFFICE WORKERS AND EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE FREE SPOTS AROUND THE EDGE. SO IF I WERE GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THAT THE FEE WENT ESCALATING AFTER FOUR HOURS. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE, WHY DON'T I JUST PAY WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE DAY AND RUN IT OFF? IT'S A BUSINESS EXPENSE AND, AND YOU, AND WE HAVE DEFEATED WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND YOU WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, UH, IN SETTING THE FEE WITH THIS DOES NOT SET A FEE FOR PARKING. YEAH, YEAH. SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORP IS THINKING, UM, ON, UH, WHAT NOW AUDIT COST. UH, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE SOME WORK IN, IN THINKING ABOUT THAT AND COMPARING THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW, BRIAN, IF YOU'VE GOT INSIGHT ON THAT, UH, WHICH TO ANSWER OR BRIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT? YEAH, I CAN ANSWER THAT. THAT FOR SURE. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE THINKING COUNCILMAN FRANCIS IS, UH, $2 AN HOUR FOR THE FIRST THREE HOURS. AGAIN, THAT KIND OF COVERS SOME OF THESE WHERE WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE HAIR SALONS, SOME OF THE MOVIE THEATERS, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, SHOWS AT THE ART CENTER. UM, SO $2 EVERY, FOR THE FIRST THREE HOURS, UM, AFTER THE FOURTH, THAT'S $5 AN HOUR. 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE TO REACH THAT ABOVE. AGAIN, AN EMPLOYEE CAN COME DOWN AND PAY $20 A DAY. SO WE WANT TO MAKE THAT IMPACTFUL ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I DO NEED TO GO PARK IN THE FREE PARKING OR THE PAID PARKING LOTS IN OTHER ZONES. SO, BUT IF THEY'RE IN A RUSH AND WANT TO PAY THE $20 THAT DAY, THEY HAVE THE OPTION THEY CAN, THAT EMPLOYEE, THEY HAVE THAT OPTION. THEY HAVE THAT OPTION. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY PAID THE 20 HOURS A DAY. YEAH. BUT THEY, THAT THEY DON'T GET $20 AN HOUR AFTER THREE. IT'LL BE A LOT. I WANT THOSE PEOPLE TO WORK IN THE OUTSIDE AREAS. I KNOW, BUT MAYBE IT'S LIKE SOMETIMES YEAH. SO IT'LL COME, YEAH, IT'LL COME TO THE MATH OF $26 AN HOUR. WE COULD BUMP UP THE FIVE AN HOUR, BUT IF IT WAS THEIR REGULAR EIGHT HOUR DAY YEAH. IN THE FIRST THREE HOURS, THAT WOULD BE $6. AND THEN YOUR, UH, LAUNCH, SO YOU GOT ANOTHER FOUR, SO IT'D BE $26 A DAY ON AVERAGE. SO I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AS WELL. UM, AND THAT, AND I WOULD JUST SAY COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS, THAT IT'S THE CITY'S PARKING. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE A $20 AN HOUR FEE AFTER FIVE HOURS, I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD BRING TO THE OTHER COUNCILORS. IF YOU'RE ALL ON BOARD, I GUESS THAT WOULD HAPPEN. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT AFTER, AFTER THE THIRD HOUR, WE NEED SOME KIND OF ESCALATION THAT THAT REALLY DISCOURAGES PEOPLE FROM EATING UP THOSE SPOTS. OTHERWISE, WE'VE DEFEATED, ONE OF OUR PURPOSES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHICH OPEN THE SPACES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING BUSINESS DOWNTOWN. ABSOLUTELY. THE THE OBJECTION IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED, WHICH IS THAT THE FEE IS BEING SET TO ROTATE PARKING AND TO MAKE SURE THAT POK PARKING CIRCULATES AND IS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, ALTHOUGH IT COULD BE, UM, IT'S A NUMBER THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOR. RIGHT. OKAY. SO MY, MY NEXT QUESTION, YOU JUST PUT A MAXIMUM ON, BUT LIKE FOUR HOURS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M [00:50:01] WONDERING IS WE WOULD JUST PUT A MAX, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE THAT OPTION, THEN YOU GOT THE TICKETING AND PEOPLE JUST PAY THE TICKET ANYWAYS, SO WELL, BUT IF THEY, IF THAT'S THEIR POINT OF VIEW, THEN THEY'RE GONNA PAY THE 20 BUCKS OR THE 26 BUCKS AS WELL. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT AS LIKE, GENERATE THE MONEY. IF THEY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PAY $5 AN HOUR AFTER FOUR HOURS, LIKE, AND THEY DON'T, AND IT'S A PARKING SPOT. SO I GET LIKE, THERE'S THIS BALANCE. WE WANT THEM TO PARK SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PAY THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, IT'S VALUABLE REAL ESTATE. LIKE THAT'S WHY I'D GO MORE THAN FIVE PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY WILL PAY. AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF ON BOARD WITH THAT. WHAT WE FOUND IS THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA PAY THAT NO MATTER WHAT. AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA CARE. BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WANT TO PAY THAT AND IT'LL TURN OVER THE PARKING. RIGHT. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION. IF WE FIND THAT IT'S NOT WORKING, WE WOULD LOVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO ADJUST THOSE. BUT WE WANNA KEEP IT REALLY SIMPLE, REALLY EASY TO UNDERSTAND. AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THE TWO AND FIVE, UH, CAME IN. IT'S SIMPLE. WE WANT TO ADD FLEXIBILITY. IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN THOSE INTERIOR LOTS. THE INTERIOR LOTS ARE $1 AN HOUR MAKES SENSE TO CHARGE $2 AN HOUR IF YOU WANT TO BE REALLY CLOSE TO THOSE STORES. AND THEN IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF ESCALATING SYSTEM, THE 2 1 5 DOES REALLY MAKE SENSE FOR THAT AS A, AS KIND OF A, A STARTING POINT. I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE'S PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOWNTOWN ARE GONNA PAY THIS ON ANY REGULAR BASIS. YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY THAT COMES DOWNTOWN WITH A REAL VIRGIN NEED AND THIS ONE DAY THEY'LL SAY, I'LL PAY THE 26 BUCKS. I DON'T CARE. BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT DAY AFTER DAY. ONE THING I WOULD JUST SUGGEST IS THAT THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AT LEAST ANNUALLY AS THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION COMES IN AND GIVES GIBSON'S ANNUAL REPORT ON PARKING. AND, UH, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, BRIAN AND JAKE, UH, AS THEY GO THROUGH WITH THIS, IF THEY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, $5 AN HOUR AFTER FOUR, FOUR HOURS, EVERYBODY'S PAYING THAT THEN. AND IT'S NOT REALLY GETTING THE CIRCULATION GOAL THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, THAT, THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF FLEXIBILITY IN THIS TO, UH, LIMIT IT TO A CERTAIN DURATION. THERE'S PLENTY OF FLEXIBILITY TO INCREASE THE FINE OR NOT FINE FEE AND, UH, AND FIGURE OUT WHERE EXACTLY THE SWEET SPOT IS TO ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVES WHILE STILL MAKING DOWNTOWN AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO COME AND SHOP AND BE, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT TO THAT WHEN WE SET THIS TO BEGIN WITH, THAT WE TAKE AND WHAT BRIAN KNOWS, WHAT JAKE KNOWS, WE DON'T WANT TO BE MESSING WITH THE RATES TOO OFTEN BECAUSE PEOPLE BECOME DISENCHANTED. 'CAUSE WELL, IT WAS ONE RATE TWO MONTHS AGO AND FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW WILL BE A DIFFERENT RATE AND WE NEED TO KIND OF DO OUR BEST TO GET A GOOD RATE TO BEGIN WITH, WITH THE OPTION OF CHANGING THAT YEAR. BUT I DON'T WANNA BE MESSING WITH IT TOO OFTEN. PERHAPS THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, UM, UH, THE RATES SHALL BE, UM, AS SET BY THE I-F-D-D-C BOARD FROM TIME TO TIME OR, AND REVIEWED BY THE COUNCIL FROM TIME TO TIME OR SOMETHING RATHER VAGUE. BUT, BUT THAT SUGGESTS THAT THERE IS SOME COMMUNICATION ON THAT. UM, BUT, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND COUNCILOR FREEMAN ALSO HAS ANOTHER QUESTION I JUST, OR COMMENT I YEAH. ON THE RECORD, I GUESS KIND OF A THING. I I, I WAS REALLY GLAD WHEN THE PARKING METERS WENT AWAY. YOU KNOW, I, I HATE THE CLUTTER OF THEM IN THE, ON THE SIDEWALK. I, I, AND I, I KNOW THAT THE, PROBABLY THE STONE OWNERS DON'T LIKE 'EM IN THE WAY WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOVEL SNOW AND THINGS. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW, JUST, THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT HAVING THE PARKING METERS THAT I FIND DISTASTEFUL. UM, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THE IDEA OF AN APP. RIGHT. I I, I LIKE THAT IDEA. I LIKE THAT YOU CAN JUST DO IT ON YOUR PHONE. UM, I, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE SIGNS YOU'RE GONNA PUT UP. ARE YOU GONNA, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA USE EXISTING POLES TO PUT THE SIGNS UP? ARE YOU JUST GONNA STICK 'EM ON A LIGHT POLE OR WHATEVER? OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO BE DRILLING HOLES IN THE SIDEWALK FOR THOSE? I MEAN, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE WHOLE CLUTTER IDEA. UM, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE BEST SIGNAGE POSSIBLE 'CAUSE IT CAN'T COME BACK ON US, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE HAD, UM, IN ONE OF OUR PARKING LOTS, OUR BOOTH, WHEN WE TOOK IT AWAY, WE LOST OUR SIGNAGE FOR A SECOND. YOU CAN'T ENFORCE ANYTHING WHEN THERE'S NO SIGNAGE. SO IT DOES HAVE TO BE VISIBLE AND THERE'S WAYS AND CHEAPER WAYS AROUND IT. NOW, DO WE PAINT THE CURVES REALLY NICELY AND PUT PAY TO PARK ON THE CURBS WHERE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT IS AN AUCTION SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE UGLY EITHER. BUT IT CAN, IT STILL CAN LOOK PRETTY STILL ATTRACTIVE. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, WE HIRE A HIGH SCHOOL KID WITH THIS WHAT STENCIL AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S LOCK THINGS. I'M SORRY, BRIAN. ALL OF THE BLOCK BASED [00:55:01] SIGNS CAN ALL BE SWITCHED OUT. RIGHT. SO THERE ALREADY IS A LOT OF SIGNAGE FOR PARKING. YEAH. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT USING THE SIGN EXISTING SIGNAGE WOULD BE A REALLY SMART PLACE TO START. GOOD. AND, AND I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE, THE STANDARD OF WHEN AND IF WE EVER HAVE TO PROSECUTE ONE OF THESE IN COURT IS THAT THE SIGN WAS VISIBLE AND, UH, UH, VISIBLE ENOUGH THAT A REASONABLE PERSON COULD OBSERVE IT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. I JUST WANT, I JUST WANT TO ADD, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH MORE POLES TO THE SIDEWALK. RIGHT. AND I THINK WE'RE THERE WITH OUR SIGNAGE FOR THE BLOCK FACING NOW. AND SO MY THOUGHT WOULD BE FOR THOSE SIGNS THAT CAN BE SWITCHED OUT, WHERE YOUR PARKING'S GONNA GO, THAT'S WHERE YOU'D PROBABLY SEE THAT FIRST. AND WE, WITH A LOT OF THINGS WE TRY KIND OF GO WITH EXPERIENCE. I DON'T KNOW THAT MANY MORE SIGNS WOULD NEEDED TO BE ADDED. SO I, THAT CLUTTER CONCERN, I THINK, UH, I THINK COULD BE ADDRESSED. OKAY. I THINK, UM, UH, JUST BASED ON WHAT MR. CHAPMAN SAID, WE DO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SIGNAGE THERE. BUT WHEN YOU ARE A TOURIST, YOU LOOK FOR SIGNS TO, BEFORE YOU DARE PARK YOUR CAR IN A DOWNTOWN YOU LOOK. AND WHEN YOU ARE A RESIDENT, UM, YOU WILL, UH, PROBABLY BE MORE, UH, INCLINED TO BE FORGETFUL. AND THAT'S WHERE THE COMMUNICATION PLAN, UM, AND USING EVERY POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, MEANS WE CAN TO SORT OF PRE-EDUCATION AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS COMING. UM, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE, UH, SENSE OF YOUR TIMEFRAME? WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO GET IT STARTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, THERE ARE A FEW MORE THINGS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO START THIS SPRING IN 2025. SORRY. OKAY. UM, WE HAVEN'T YET HEARD FROM KAREN BUTLER OR FROM, UH, OUR POLICE CHIEF OR FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. UM, DO ANY OF YOU HAVE, UM, INPUTS FOR US? UM, UM, CHIEF, I DID WANT TO ASK IF THIS IS HARDER OR, OR NOT MUCH, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT FROM THE ENFORCEMENT OF WHEN YOU SEE A METER AND IT SAYS EXPIRED, YOU KNOW, OH DANG, THIS GUY GETS A TICKET. WHEN YOU HAVE TO MONITOR A WEBSITE TO KNOW WHO'S, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THEIR PAID TIMEFRAME. IS THAT JUST A DIFFERENT APPROACH BUT NOT NECESSARILY HARDER? SO I THINK THE, UH, HOWEVER YOU METER, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH AN APP OR NOT, IS EASIER TO ENFORCE THAN THE CURRENT WAY THAT YOU'RE DOING IT NOW. 'CAUSE WHERE YOU'RE AT NOW, YOU GO MARKED TIRES AND HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHEN THEY GOT THERE, WHEN THEY, THEY WEREN'T THERE, WHETHER IT'S A METER OR ON THE APP, YOU JUST, EITHER THEY HAVE OR THEY HAVEN'T. UM, AND I GOT TO IMAGINE ANY APP'S NOT GONNA BE HARD TO GET INTO IT, TO YOU BE ABLE TO READ THAT SAME, YOUR CODE METER. SO, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC COMPANY, AND I HAVE NOT DONE THAT, BUT I IMAGINE IT WAS ON AN APP. THE, THE ENFORCER CAN PULL THAT APP OUT AND KNOW EXACTLY, UH, WHO'S PAID AND HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE THE SAME SO THEY HAVE A METER IN FRONT OF 'EM. SO ENFORCEMENT, THIS PROGRAM SHOULD BE EASIER TO FORCE THAN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING. AND THEY DO A PHENOMENAL JOB OF IT, BY THE WAY. AND SO ARE WE INTENDING TO, UH, CONTINUE TO DELEGATE THE ENFORCEMENT TO I-F-D-D-C, UM, IN, IN SUCH THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION OF THE, UM, ULTIMATE, UH, SOFTWARE PROVIDER? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE AS CONCERNED ABOUT IT FROM A, A, A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE. SO WE STILL CAN WRITE TICKETS DOWNTOWN AND WE DO DO SOME OF THAT NOT LOT. SO WE WOULD STILL NEED, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND PICKING WHICH, UH, PROGRAMS USED, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT BECAUSE WE STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO WRITE THOSE CITATIONS IF WE HAVE TO. THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT'S DONE WOULD CONTINUE TO BE DONE BY, BY THE CONTRACTOR. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE CURRENT, UM, AGREEMENT AGENT, PARKING AGENT AGREEMENT HAVE CONCEIVED OF AN IDEA THAT THERE'D BE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. SO IT'S NOT JUST YOUR, YOUR, YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO WRITE TICKETS FOR OVER TWO HOUR PARKING. I MEAN, THE IDEA IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GO ENFORCE THE CITY'S RULES, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. SO THAT'S WHY THE COUNCIL WOULD BE TO ADOPT A METERED PARKING ORDINANCE BECAUSE WITHOUT THE METERED PARKING ORDINANCE, NO ONE HAS AUTHORITY TO METER THE CITY'S ROADS. OKAY. UH, AND WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE, BUT WE WANT TO REFINE IT TO FIT THIS SITUATION. RIGHT? OR IS IT, THIS ISN'T A BRAND NEW ORDINANCE. THIS IS A RE THIS, THIS WOULD BE, WE HAVE A DOWNTOWN PARKING ORDINANCE. METERED PARKING IS NOT AN OPTION UNDER THAT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AMENDING AN EXISTING ORDINANCE. IT WOULD'VE AMEND AN EXISTING ORDINANCE. ALRIGHT. OTHER COUNSEL, FRANCIS? YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE MORE. BUT THE SUGGESTION THAT THE SIGNAGE, HOWEVER IT'S DONE SHOULD BE DONE MUCH SO IT'S MUCH SIMPLER THAN THE BLOCK FACE SIGN BECAUSE EVEN I THINK I UNDERSTOOD IT WHEN I VOTED ON IT. I HAVE TO READ IT TWICE TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT. . SO SOMEBODY FROM OUT OF TOWN WHO DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. SO WE NEED A REALLY SIMPLE, GO TO THE QR CODE, GET REGISTERED OR WHATEVER. SO THAT'S A SUGGESTION. [01:00:01] THE OTHER THING IS, I REMEMBER, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT CITY IT WAS, BUT THERE WAS A, YOU PROBABLY READ ABOUT IT, IT DIDN'T GO WELL AT ALL ON THAT ROLLOUT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THERE WAS NO LIKE 30 MINUTES OF FREE AND THEN IT KICKS IN. AND THE REASON I ASK THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT I GET OUT OF MY CAR, I NEED TO REGISTER, BUT WHAT WOULD HAP, WHY WOULDN'T WE DO IT SO THAT YOU REGISTER AND IT DOESN'T START CHARGING UNTIL 30 MINUTES HAVE GONE BY. OTHERWISE, SOME PEOPLE, I THINK, AND SOME BUSINESSES ARE GONNA BE DISTURBED BY IT WHEN IT ROLLS OUT AND THEY REALIZE WHAT IT REALLY MEANS WHEN SOMEBODY JUST WANTS TO COME AND GET SOMETHING AND LEAVE. YEAH. UH, AND WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT AND JAKE KNOWS THIS REALLY WELL, BUT AGAIN, UM, A LOT OF THE, THE DATA THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED IN CITIES THAT HAVE TRIED THAT FREE HALF HOUR PARKING HAS BECOME A COMPLETE NIGHTMARE. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO REALLY SET, NOTHING SET, UM, RIGHT OFF THE BAT. SO THEY CONTINUE TO ABUSE THOSE PRIVILEGES. UM, AND IT JUST BECOMES A NIGHTMARE. AND JAKE KNOWS A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO AS FAR AS THAT. NOW, ONE OF THE, UH, UM, THOUGHTS FOR KIND OF FIXING THAT, 'CAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF COFFEE SHOPS ARE GONNA BE, UM, OF COURSE, OKAY, HEY, WHY'S SOMEBODY PAYING ANOTHER $2 FOR MY COFFEE? UM, THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE LOADING ZONES. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A TON OF LOADING ZONES, BUT, UM, I THINK SOME PEOPLE WILL PAY $2 FOR A COFFEE, BUT THEY ARE ALSO ALLOWED TO USE THOSE, UH, LOADING ZONES AND WE'LL HAVE TO MONITOR THOSE AS WELL. THEY CAN'T. AND JAKE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE MORE INPUT ON THAT 30 MINUTE. YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, COUNCIL AND, UH, FRANCIS, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE HAD THE RESEARCH FOLKS COME IN, THEY JUST TOLD US, DON'T DO THAT. AND THE REASON IS, IS 'CAUSE THE ENFORCEMENT'S SO DIFFICULT AND, AND IT'S HARD TO TRACK. SO IF YOU SAY FREE PARKING, PEOPLE DON'T REGISTER, THEY SAY, HEY, IT'S FREE PARKING. AND SO IT BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE AND EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. UM, WE DO HAVE THE FREE PARKING IN, IN LOTS OF THE LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONES. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING REALLY WELL FOR THOSE PICKUP AND DROP OFF TYPE BUSINESSES. UM, THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS DOWNTOWN THAT WE'VE PRESENTED THIS WITH ARE, ARE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE PAID PARKING, BUT IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE THAT THE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $2. AND SO MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA PUSH BACK ON $2. MOST PEOPLE WILL PAY THAT $2 AND BE SATISFIED WITH IT. UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND THEY GET A NOTIFICATION ON THEIR PHONE SAYING, HEY, WE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO ADD TIME TO THIS RATHER THAN, UH, RATHER THAN THE TICKET. AND SO I KNOW THIS, THIS IS A CONCERN THAT YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO REITERATE. THE FOLKS THAT HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, UH, HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT WE DON'T DO THAT FREE SECTION THAT WE, THAT WE JUST CHARGE, YOU KNOW, CHARGE A LITTLE BIT, BUT STILL CHARGE FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, MINUTES OF PARKING. YEAH. AND HONESTLY, I WASN'T THINKING OF, YOU CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO REGISTER AS SOON AS YOU GET OUTTA YOUR CAR AND IT JUST WOULDN'T CHARGE. SO EVERYBODY'S REGISTERED WOULD, IF YOU TRIED TO PARK AND SAY, WOW, I GOT 30 MINUTES FREE, THAT WOULD NEVER BE THERE. YOU WOULD, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE FEE TO PARK FOR THE FIRST HALF AN HOUR WOULD BE ZERO, BUT YOU WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE A PARKING, UH, PERMISSION BEFORE YOU PARKED. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE I, I KNOW MAYBE IT WAS CALDWELL WOULD HAVE A HUGE BATTLE. THE OTHER THING THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS RIGHT, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT POP TOOL WOULD HELP DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT WITH? UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WELL, ONE OF THE NOTES I MADE TO MYSELF, COUNCILOR FRANCIS, IS THAT I NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF TO, UM, IDENTIFY, UM, OUR PARTNERS. UM, UH, EMPO IS ONE, UM, GIFT IS ONE. UH, OBVIOUSLY I-F-D-D-C PARTNERS ENTITIES, UH, WITH WHICH WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF VERY, VERY CLOSE, UH, RELATIONSHIP. WE NEED TO, UM, BRING THEM IN FOR TRAINING ON THE POP TOOL BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE FINDING THAT IT, IT BENEFITS THE CITY WHEN OUR CLOSE PARTNERS ARE, UM, HAVE ALL THOSE RESOURCES FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. SO MY ANSWER IS MAYBE NOT OFFICIALLY YES, BUT LATER, YES, WE'RE GONNA GET, WE NEED TO GET THERE. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT COULD HELP [01:05:01] FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW WE COULD DO IT. I THINK MY LAST QUESTION IS, I SHOULD, WELL, YOU'RE ASKING THAT, I'M THINKING OF YOUR QUESTION. I'LL JUST SAY POP IS OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH, UH, PLANNER. IT, IT'S AN, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TOOL. IT'S AN ONLINE, UM, TOOL THAT HELPS TO IDENTIFY BIG QUESTIONS, LITTLE QUESTIONS, UH, GIGANTIC QUESTIONS. WHAT DO YOU, WHAT KIND OF ISSUE DO YOU HAVE AND WHAT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC IS NEEDED IN IT? AND IT PROVIDES SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT YOU CAN. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL FRANCIS HERE. OTHER QUESTION? YEAH, SO I WAS LOOKING AT THIS ONE. WOULD THERE STILL BE FREE PARKING FOR THE LIBRARY? IS BECAUSE YES, AS FAR AS IT WOULD BE, WE CONTROL THAT PARKING LOT. I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S UNDER CC CONTROL. YEAH, I THINK IT IS. DON'T YOU COMFORTABLE, DOESN'T ONE GO THROUGH THERE? WHICH PARKING LOT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE ONE LIBRARY BY THE LIBRARY. AND THEN IS IT THE, THE ONE THAT IS BY THE LIBRARY RIGHT ON THE PARK AVENUE OR THE ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY? THE ONE THAT BETWEEN CAPITAL AND PARK. SO THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YEAH. THAT, THAT ONE IS NOT A LOT. THAT'S GONNA BE REGULATED BY THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. SO THAT PARKING REMAINS FREE FOR LIBRARY PATRONS. IT'S ONE THE CITY, UH, MANAGES. IT DOES HAVE A TWO HOUR LIMIT NOW. RIGHT. I WHAT'S THAT CODE? THE PARKING LOT THAT YOU GUYS ARE REFERRING TO DOES HAVE A TWO HOUR LIMIT. AND I BELIEVE JUAN HELPS ENFORCE THAT. UH, BRIAN, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? YES. I'M SORRY. I'M, I'M MISTAKEN. OKAY. ON THAT. SO IT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME TWO HOUR NO CHARGE PARKING AND DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT WOULD STILL ENFORCE THAT, OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA FILL OUT WITH PEOPLE WHO AREN'T. YES. SO ONE, ONE THING THAT SHOULD BE REALLY CLEAR IS THAT THE, THE PROPOSAL TO ADD METERED PARKING AS AN OPTION TO THE WAY THE CITY REGULATES PARKING DOWNTOWN DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT IT HAPPENED. IT JUST GIVES THE POLICE AND THEIR PARKING AGENT THE OPTION TO REGULATE SOME, OR MAYBE ALL DOWNTOWN ON THERE. IT IS FOCUSED ON STREET PARKING. SO PARKING LOTS, UH, AREN'T REALLY PART OF THE BLOCK FACE OR THE, THE METERED PARKING, THE THE PAID PARKING LOSS THAT THE CITY OWNS AND THAT THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT COURT MANAGES. THOSE ARE ALL, THEY, THEY CAN BE MANAGED. THEY'VE MANAGED WITH SEPARATE RULES, ALTHOUGH THEY COULD BE SIMILAR. AND THE CITY'S LIBRARY, I THINK WE JUST SIGNED AND DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT COURT MUST, UH, AND I, I WAS MISTAKEN THERE. I DIDN'T THINK THEY REGULATED IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'D GO IN TH THROUGH THERE AND DO THAT. NONE OF THAT WILL CHANGE OR NEEDS TO CHANGE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THESE METERED DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING. IT IS JUST ME, BECAUSE BEFORE I TAKE STEP ONE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE STEP FIVE IS GONNA BE. YEAH. AND I GUESS WE'RE DOWN A ROAD. I GUESS IF THE CITY WANTED TO MIRROR ITS LIBRARIES PARKING LOT, IT COULD, BUT THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT. YEAH. ALRIGHT, COUNSEL, WE, I, I'LL JUST MAKE MY QUICK STATEMENT AND THAT IS THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE A LONG AGENDA TONIGHT AND WE'RE ALREADY 10 MINUTES INTO OUR NEXT, UH, PRESENTATION. AND SO LET'S WRAP UP OUR QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL SHAW OR COUNCIL PRESIDENT SHAW HAD ONE, AND THEN WE'LL ASK OUR, OUR, UH, GUESTS TO, UH, NOT REALLY A QUESTION, IT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE JUST HAVE TO BE CLEAR. WE'RE ASKING FOR THEIR OPINION OR WE'RE ASKING WE'RE WE'RE GIVING INFORMATION. AND IN THIS CASE, I-F-D-D-C HAS ALREADY SAID LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WE DON'T WANNA ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN A WAY THAT'S LIKE, TELL US WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT RIGHT. DOWNTOWN PARKING, IT'S ONLY LIKE IDENTIFYING JUST THE PARTNER SO THAT WE CAN BE CLEAR ON OUR, I BELIEVE THE POP TOOL WILL WALK YOU THROUGH, ARE YOU TRYING TO ELICIT FEEDBACK OR ARE YOU TRYING TO NOTIFY YES. YES. SO THAT'S IT. YEAH. SO THAT IT'S LIKE, JUST HELP TO, YEAH. SO, SO WE DON'T RUN INTO THIS REAL ANGER SUDDENLY WHEN IT HAPPENS EITHER FROM CUSTOMERS OR FROM SOME BUSINESSES. THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING IS, IS DON'T GO, I DON'T, WE'RE NOT ASKING, DON'T GO DOWN THE ROAD OF LIKE, OH, WHAT DID THE PUBLIC THINK ABOUT THIS? IT'S LIKE, NO, THIS IS A-I-F-B-D-C. RIGHT. AND THAT WAS ALL I JUST WANTED TAKE MY COMMENTS TO MEAN THAT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CONCEPT OF PAPER. YEAH. THAT WAS IT. JUST THAT IT JUST CLARITY ON, OH, AND GIVEN THAT I-F-D-D-C UM, HELPS TO MANAGE THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, THE VID, UM, I CAN, WE ASSUME AS WE GO FORWARD WITH OUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS, UM, OR AS A COUNCIL GOES FORWARD WITH THEIR CONSIDERATION, CAN WE ASSUME THAT YOUR MEMBERS OF THE VID BY AND LARGE SUPPORT, UM, THIS, THIS DIRECTION? YES. OR IS IT MOSTLY THE BOARD THAT, UH, IS RECOMMENDING IT THAT THE MEMBERS ARE IFFY? NO, WE'VE HAD A MAJORITY OF THAT DO SUPPORT IT. ALRIGHT. SO REMIND ME, MR. CHAPMAN, WHEN IS YOUR [01:10:01] ANNUAL MEETING? UH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS. AH, OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE FOR SOME REASON HAD IN MY HEAD THAT IT WAS NORMALLY A SPRINGTIME KIND OF THING. WELL, I THINK WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO YOUR ROLLOUT, WE MAY WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT COMING BACK WITH SPECIFICS, UH, TO INFORM THIS BODY, UH, BEFORE WE PULL THE TRIGGERS. JUST, JUST BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A HIGH LEVEL OF INTEREST AND, AND WHEN PEOPLE DO COMPLAIN, THEY WILL OFTEN SINGLE OUT THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM ANSWER THEIR EMAIL WITH FACTS AND PAPERS. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR, ER, AND I KNOW I CAME IN LATE, SO DON'T TAKE ANY TIME NOW AND WE'LL, WE'LL, YOU CAN TELL ME THESE THINGS OFFLINE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ASKED. UM, I ASSUME THAT THE DOLLARS ARE GONNA BE DEALT WITH WITH THE CONTRACT. SO AS YOU START MAKING MONEY AT THIS, INSTEAD OF JUST EARNING BACK, I, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE DOLLARS AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND THEN, UM, ALSO RENEWING THOSE CONTRACTS AND HOW WE DO THAT GOING FORWARD. IT'S A PRETTY FAMOUS CASE OUTTA CHICAGO AND PUBLIC PARKING. AND ONCE CHICAGO GAVE ALL THEIR ABILITY, THOSE DOLLARS WERE BOUGHT AND, UH, THEN THE CITY HAD NO ABILITY TO DO PARKLETS AND THEY HAD NO ABILITY TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE THINGS THOUGHT OUT. YOU CAN TELL ME THAT OFFLINE. I THINK THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THEIR COSTS AND UH, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE REPORT THAT WE GET AFTER THEY EXPLORE A FEW MORE BEGGARS. ALRIGHT, ANY LAST FINAL CLOSING COMMENTS FROM ANYONE? ALRIGHT, WELL IT'S BEEN A GOOD DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL KEEP THIS IN MIND AND THEN WE'LL LOOK FOR MORE INFORMATION COMING FORWARD. UM, MR. LER, YOU DIDN'T SAY MUCH. ANYTHING YOU WANNA NO, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD MEETING WHEN I DON'T HAVE TO TALK, SO . THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, MOVE ON. THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY AND BOARD MEMBERS, UH, FROM THE IPC. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK THAT YOU DO DOWNTOWN MATTERS. AND BY THE WAY, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS MORE LATER, I'M SURE, UM, BUT FANTASTIC EVENT ON, UH, SATURDAY. UH, YOU HAVE A LOT TO BE PROUD OF. DO YOU WANT ME TO STAY AROUND FOR THE CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION, UM, OF THE OFF FOR LATER? ITS LATER ON IN THE, UH, AM I GONNA NEED YOU TO ANSWER ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY? UH, NO. THAT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN AND, AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL INVOLVE DOWNTOWN AS FAR AS I'M AWARE OF. SO I NEED THE BABYSITTER THEN , WE SHOULD PUT THOSE KIDS IN SCHOOL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE'RE [Municipal Services] ONTO OUR NEXT, UH, ITEM, WHICH IS A, UH, THE ANNUAL OR EXCUSE THE QUARTERLY REPORT. WE'VE GOT OUR FINANCE TEAM HERE, UM, BROOKE AND BROOKS AND, UM, MARK AND PAM. AND, UH, THEY'RE ALL FAMILIAR TO YOU, SO I WON'T, UH, DO MUCH MORE THAN JUST SAY PAM AWAY. SO, UH, GOOD NEWS. WE MADE IT THROUGH ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR. UM, AND I KNOW THAT MARK AND, UH, BROOKSVILLE HAS SOME REAL EXCITING GRAPHICS TO SHOW YOU. UH, JUST A REMINDER FOR OUR PUBLIC, UH, MARK IS OUR CITY TREASURER AND BROOKS IS OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE MANAGER. UM, WANNA TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY, A LITTLE SUMMARY HERE, AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SECOND, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ARE YOU ARE, YOU CLICKED ON THE SLIDE. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA TALK TODAY, UM, ABOUT THE YEAR END AND THE YEAR END ENDED FOR US, OUR FISCAL YEAR END, SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024. UM, WE START OCTOBER 1ST, 2023. AND THESE ARE THE TOPICS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ASK. IT'LL FIT INTO ALL THESE CATEGORIES ANYWAY. SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR CASH BALANCES BUDGET TO ACTIONS. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REAL GREAT CONVERSATION ON THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS. WE'VE GOT SOME OF OUR DIRECTORS HERE THAT ARE PART OF THOSE, UH, PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A STATUS. WE DO HAVE A DEADLINE OF COMMITTING THE FUNDS NO LATER THAN SEPTEMBER, UH, DECEMBER 31ST OUT OF 2024. SO THAT'S IN A COUPLE WEEKS. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE UPDATE ON THAT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, AN ERP UPDATE FROM OUR CITY TREASURER, AND THEN SOME POLICY CHANGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING WITH OUR CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE THE GOVERNMENTAL, UH, UNIT OVER AT I BAILEY, UM, TO HELP US WITH SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SOME AGREEMENTS ON. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA HAVE MARK TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FOURTH QUARTER CASH BALANCES. LET'S BE HONEST, THIS IS YOUR FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR. YEAH, IT'S THE MOST WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAR. THAT'S RIGHT. ESPECIALLY YOU GET ME FOR, WELL, I, EVERY TIME I TELL I'M GET THROUGH THIS FAST AND IT DOES NOT. SO MY CHRISTMAS GIFT TO YOU IS GONNA JUST DONE QUICKLY. OKAY. SO THIS FIRST SLIDE IS NOT, UH, ANYTHING NEW. THIS IS WHAT COMES ON THE TREASURY REPORT. AND SO THIS WILL BE COMING TOMORROW ON OUR TREASURY REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED [01:15:01] TO OUTLINE IS THAT WE'RE DISCLOSING WHAT OUR BANK ACCOUNTS ARE FOR. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS IN OUR INVESTMENT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT. PLUS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS BRIEFLY WHAT THIS IS A RECONCILING ITEM. SO A RECONCILING ITEM IS SOMETHING THAT EITHER HITS THE, HITS THE GENERAL LEDGER BEFORE IT HITS THE BANK OR HITS THE BANK BEFORE IT HITS THE GENERAL LEDGER. SO THOSE ARE THE TINY DIFFERENCES. SO, UH, WHEN IT HAS A NEGATIVE RECONCILING ITEM HERE, SO IT STARTED OUT AS A NEGATIVE, LIKE 1.3 MILLION IN THE, THAT'S OUR OUTSTANDING CHECKS THAT HAVEN'T CLEARED THE BANK. THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING, UH, ON THE, THE DEPOSIT SIDE IS THAT WE HAVE DEPOSITS THAT AREN'T RECORDED YET. AND SO THAT'S NOT USUALLY THAT HUGE. SOMETIMES IT IS, BUT MOST OF THE TIME OUR RECONCILING ITEM IS OUTSTANDING CHECKS AND IT'S EASY TO SAY ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. UM, SO, BUT ONE OF OUR INITIATIVES IS TO GO TOWARDS A CH TO CLEAN THAT WILL ALSO CLEAN PART OF THIS STUFF. UH, AND THEN DOWN HERE IS JUST OUR, OUR BANK TYPES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE GENERAL ED JOURNAL. WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE THAT HERE, ONE SECOND. BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO EDUCATE ON WHAT THE BANK RECONCILIATION IS. SO WE'RE, UH, YOU HAVE ON HERE, WHAT'S IN THE BANK, WHAT'S IN THE BOOKS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE BANK REC DOES. AND IF I COULD, UH, REMIND THE COUNSEL JUST REALLY BRIEFLY. SO OUR STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT OUR CITY TREASURER REPORT ON ALL THE FUNDS AT THE END OF EVERY MONTH. SO THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE THESE REPORTS AND, AND WHY MARK DOES A REALLY GREAT JOB AT KIND OF WALKING YOU THROUGH WHAT A BANK RECONCILIATION IS BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED, REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE TO BE ABLE TO REPORT THAT, UH, ON A REGULAR BASIS. OKAY. SO AT THE END OF THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER AT OUR BANK, WE HAD 204 MILLION. AND SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. SO THIS KIND OF BREAKS IT DOWN BY TYPE. SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CASH. POOLED CASH MEANS THAT'S, THAT IS FOR GENERAL PURPOSE. UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL CAN AND, UH, TALK ABOUT AND REDISTRIBUTE OR, YOU KNOW, DO DO WHATEVER. UM, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME CASH THAT YOU, THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE ALREADY PRE-DESIGNATED, UM, MURPHY'S ONE OF THOSE. WE HAVE 16 MILLION IN MUR FUNDS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THAT COLUMN. THAT FIRST COLUMN IS ALL MY FUNDS. UM, WE DO IT BY A FUNCTIONAL, UH, OF ACCOUNTING ENTRY EVERY MONTH, EXCEPT FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS WE DO ONCE A YEAR. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PASSED FOR RESOLUTION BY THE COUNCIL. THE NEXT COLUMN IS DESIGN DESIGNATED. THAT MEANS THAT WE'VE ALREADY MADE A DETERMINATION OF HOW WE'RE GONNA USE THOSE FUNDS AND THAT THEY'RE SEGREGATED FROM THE POOL OF CASH SO THAT WE SHOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY PRE-DESIGNATED THOSE. CAN WE CHANGE THAT DESIGNATION MID-YEAR? THE COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THAT DESIGNATION. OKAY. UM, AND SO SOME OF THAT IS, AND THE GENERAL FUND LARGE PART OF THAT, THAT WAS ARVA, THAT'S PRE-DESIGNATED. WE KIND OF PICKED OUR PROGRAMS OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE THAT FOR. UM, AND STREETS, THAT DESIGNATED FUND, THAT'S SNOW REMOVAL, WE DESIGNATE THAT FOR SNOW REMOVAL EACH YEAR. UM, DOWN IN THE, UH, SELF-INSURANCE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT'S WHAT WE JUST NEEDED TO USE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE FOR HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ON SELF-INSURANCE OR NOT, OR FUTURE INSURANCE ISSUES. CUSHION. CUSHION, YES. AND THEN DOWN HERE, THE LARGEST ONE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS, UH, POWER. THAT'S THE RACE STABILIZATION FUND AND THEIR CAPITAL. SO THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, THE DESIGNATED, THE RESTRICTED MEANS THAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY ON THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS. THEY'RE RESTRICTED BY THE THIRD PARTY. SO IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT RESTRICTED WOULD BE, UH, RICO FUNDS, THE SEIZURE FUNDS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OPIOID FUNDS. THOSE ARE ALL RESTRICTED. THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC USE OUTSIDE OF OUR DISCRETION. IN AIRPORT, THERE'S THE PFC FUNDS, 3 MILLION, THAT'S THE PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE. THEY CAN ONLY BE USED BASED ON WHAT THE FAA SAYS WE CAN USE 'EM FOR. UM, AND THE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, THAT'S THEIR FUNDS. WE'RE JUST THE FIDUCIARY FOR THEM. UH, SELF INSURANCE, THAT'S JUST OUR HOLDING ACCOUNT WITH [01:20:01] OUR CONTRACTOR THAT WE AGREED TO BY CONTRACT THAT WE'VE MAINTAINED SO THAT THEY CAN USE TO PAY CLAIMS DOWN IN, OUT OF FALSE POWER. THOSE ARE PREPAID UTILITIES, SO WE DON'T HAVE DISCRETION ON THOSE UNTIL THOSE UTILITY BILLS HAVE BEEN BEEN INITIATED. AND THEN FINALLY, WASTEWATER, THAT'S THE DEBT SERVICE BY CONTRACT WITH OUR, UH, UH, DEQ LOAN. SO THOSE ARE RESTRICTED FUNDS. SO OUTSIDE OF OUR 204 MILLION, ONLY 128 IS REALLY USED FOR OPERATIONS AND OTHER NEEDS. HMM. ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT I ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES. WITH THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON WITH IMPACT FEES RIGHT NOW, THERE'S $8 MILLION UP THERE IN IMPACT FEES, IS THAT CORRECT? APPROXIMATELY? YEAH. AND, AND THOSE WILL BE MOVED INTO LIKE A, A RESTRICTED DESIGNATED COMING FORWARD. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SITTING THERE, BUT IN THE FUTURE WE'RE GONNA PULL THOSE OUT AND PUT THOSE IN INVESTIGATED OR RESTRICTED. OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT CASH BY FUND. UM, I REALIZE THIS IS SMALL, BUT, UH, THERE'S SOME HIGHLIGHTS I WANNA SHOW HERE. UH, RIGHT HERE, RECREATION, WE CAME BACK WITH A PLAN WHEN THEY WERE IN DEBT, BUT CASH, AND WE ARE SHOWING BASED ON THAT PLAN THAT WE'RE SHOWING INCREASED CASH. SO THE LAST THREE YEARS, 43,000, TWENTY TWO, A HUNDRED EIGHTEEN, TWENTY THREE, TWO THIRTY THREE, AND 24. SO THAT'S MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I DEPOSITED, SIGNED THAT, THIS ONE DOWN HERE ON WILDLAND. THIS IS ACCOUNTING BASED. BASICALLY WE CREATED THAT BECAUSE WE TRANSFERRED THE COST OF THE WILDLAND, BUT WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED IT YET. THAT'S COMING. IT TAKES A, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LINE IS TOWARDS THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. UH, OTHER THINGS TO NOTE HERE. THIS FUND RIGHT HERE, PARKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. WE CLOSED THAT FUND ALONG WITH FUND 45. WE ARE CLOSING THAT FUND. AND WHEN WE CLOSE THE PARKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WE ARE PROPOSING A, A CASH TRANSFER OF 185,000. THAT'S IN YOUR TREASURY'S REPORT. SO WE APPROVED THAT TREASURY REPORT. YOU'RE ALSO APPROVING THAT TRANSFER TO CLOSE THAT FUND. AND THAT CAME OUT OF PJ'S BUDGET. HE HAD THE BUDGET CAPACITY TO CLOSE THAT ACCOUNT. UM, THAT JUST BECAUSE THE PROJECTS WITH THE THAT FUND ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE, SO WE DON'T LONGER NEED THAT FUND. UM, OTHER GOOD NEWS TO LOOK AT IS THE AIRPORT IS IN POSITIVE CASH AFTER GOING THROUGH THEIR, UM, ACQUISITION PROCESS. SO THAT'S GOOD. THAT HAPPENED RIGHT AT THE END OF THE MONTH. SO THAT WAS GOOD NEWS. SO OVERALL, WE, WE SHOW REALLY GOOD POSITIVE CASH IN ALL FUNDS EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT WAS CREATED BY A COUNTY, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS. THAT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE EVERY YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON CASH ANALYSIS? WELL, OTHER THAN WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR CLOSING 45 SURFACE DRAINAGE? UH, WHEN WE DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT IMPACT FEES, SOME OF THE FUNDS, YEAH, THOSE ARE BEING CLOSED DOWN. SO THERE'S A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THOSE. THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO GO, COME FORWARD. WHAT ABOUT GOLF? CAN'T QUITE COAST GOLF FUND 18. I CAN'T SEE. 5,173. SO IT'S THE, FOR A FEW MONTHS WILL BE A POSITIVE CASH, BUT WE ARE IN THE FUTURE PROPOSING A PLAN ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND WE STARTED TAKING CARE OF THAT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND THE GOLF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THAT'S DIFFERENT. 51? YEAH, THAT'S FOR THE, FOR SOME THEIR CAPITAL THINGS, WATER AS WELL AS THEY BOUGHT GOLF CARTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. IT'S, THEY GET A SERVICE FEE WHEN THEY SELL A PASS OR A PART OF THAT GOES INTO THAT FUND FOR SOME CAPITAL REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. OKAY. SO THERE'S THE GRAPH, THERE'S THE DATA, WHICH I LIKE, AND SOME OF LIKE CHARTS. YOU CAN SEE HOW CITYWIDE OUR CASH IS INCREASING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, IT COULD BASIS THIS POINT. IT'S JUST GROWING. AND LARGE PART HAS TO DO THAT WITH ENTERPRISE FUNDS AS WELL AS SOME OTHER THINGS. I'LL GET THAT IN A SECOND. ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE, KIND OF HAVE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH ALWAYS STRONG, IT'S GOT UPS AND DOWNS. UM, YOU CAN SEE IN JULY AND AUGUST THAT 2022 WAS KIND OF A BETTER YEAR, BUT THAT A LOT HAS TO DO WITH THE ARPA FUNDS AND WHEN THOSE WERE PAID OUT. UM, BUT WE ARE, WE HAD A GOOD MONTH OF SEPTEMBER BECAUSE WE STARTED GETTING [01:25:01] SOME OF OUR COLLECTIONS IN SOME OF THAT COMING FROM THE STATE. AND SO THAT REALLY PROPELLED US INTO THE JAIL FUND. MARK, DO YOU STILL HAVE NO SPENDING SEPTEMBER OR ANYTHING? DO YOU TRY TO YEAH, WE DO. WE, IT'S FOR TWO REASONS. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR CASH MANAGEMENT AS WELL. I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLOSE OUT THE BOOKS. UH, WE DON'T LIKE TO TRY AND DO NEW RECS AS WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THINGS OUT THAT ARE FUR LARGE AND SIGNIFICANT. WE STILL DO OPERATIONAL ITEMS AND THEY HAVE THEIR P CARDS, BUT FOR THE DOING OF PART, WE DON'T TRY NOT TO DO ANYTHING IN SEPTEMBER. WHAT ABOUT LIKE THE HOLD BACK, BUT IT WAS KIND OF THE, WE DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GONNA GET, WE'RE GONNA COVER THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. OKAY. IT'S ON OUR LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU ARE GONNA WANT TO HEAR. SO IF WE WERE TO, UM, SUBTRACT OUT ARPA, UM, WOULD, OUR TRANS, UH, OBVIOUSLY WOULD'VE HAD AN IMPACT IN 2020, BUT THEN WOULD IT HAVE GONE PRETTY MUCH STEADILY UPWARD IN A NICE DIRECTION? YOU KNOW, COMPARABILITY FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS IS THE ROLL OF THE DICE. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ARPA, IT'S COVID FUNDS, IT'S COVID YEARS. IT'S REALLY HARD TO COMPARE. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST NOT WORTH DEFINITELY YES. OTHER THAN MAYBE TO SAY THAT NOW WE CAN COMPARE OURSELVES TO PRE COVID AND FEEL LIKE WE MAYBE WE'RE ON A DECENT FOOTING. YES. OKAY. YEP. THANKS. YEP. YOU CAN SEE THERE IN, IN, UH, 2021 AS WE STARTING COME OUT THAT STARTING TO GET BETTER. OUR, OUR LITMUS TEST IS DECEMBER. IT'S OUR LOWEST CASH BALANCE OF THE YEAR. AND SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, UH, THIS YEAR. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON CASH BEFORE WE GO TO BUDGET? TO ACTUAL OKAY. CITYWIDE REVENUE. UM, I'LL JUST POINT OUT THERE IS A ERROR ON SPREADSHEET AND THAT IS THIS WEEKEND I DECIDED TO UPDATE IT AND DID NOT PUT THE BUDGET RIGHT HERE FOR MARSH CASHEWS. THAT WAS PRESENTED IN OUR BUDGET PACKETS. THAT'S 3.25 MILLION. UH, SO WE SPENT MORE ON MURF CASH THIS YEAR THAN WE BUDGETED FOR PRIMARILY TO, TO SOME, UH, UH, LEASES AS WELL AS JUST, UH, GETTING EQUIPMENT WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE. UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING THOUGH, EVERYTHING'S ABOUT WHERE WE EXPECT IT TO BE. UM, THE, UH, I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS UNEXPECTED, BUT SOMETHING TO NOTE IS THAT OUR ENTERPRISE FEES COLLECTED MORE THAN WE BUDGETED. UM, BUDGETING BASED ON USAGE IS MORE OF AN ART THAN A SCIENCE. AND SO, UM, POWER HAS THEIR MODEL THAT THEY, SOMETIMES WE, WE, AND LIKE I NOTICED, I DO, WE DO THINGS CON CONSERVATIVELY. AND SO THIS YEAR FOR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WE HAD A YEAR THAT NEEDED MORE UTILITIES AND SO THEREFORE THEIR REVENUES WERE HIGHER. YEAH. TELL ME ABOUT CONTRIBUTIONS. WHAT, WHERE THAT 5 MILLION NUMBER CAME FROM? WHAT, WHAT WAS GONNA MAKE THAT UP? UM, YEAH, 2 MILLION FOR THE ZOO. WE, UM, BUT THEY WERE LOOKING AT INSTANT CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THAT THAT DIDN'T COME THROUGH. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE MILLION IN OTHER PROJECTS THAT, UM, THOUGHT WE WOULD PROBABLY GET THOSE IS TO COME THROUGH AND WE TIE THOSE SPECIFICALLY TO LINE ITEMS SO THAT IN THE CASE THAT THOSE DON'T COME THROUGH, WE HAVE A LINE ITEM THAT WE ELIMINATE. EVEN THE, UH, CHARGE FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICES WE DID PRETTY WELL THIS YEAR, 130%. UM, IT'S INTERESTING THAT AT IN APRIL WE ARE AT 45, UH, 27%. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LAST HALF OF THE YEAR IS WHERE WE GET A LOT OF REVENUE. AND SO WHEN YOU GET INTO FORECASTING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S AN ART, IT'S NOT A SCIENCE. AND SO WHEN YOU GET THE MAJORITY OF YOUR REVENUE IN THE LAST PART OF THE YEAR, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, DONE EXACTLY RIGHT. WHAT'S DRIVING THE INTEREST? REVENUE INCREASE OUR RATES JUST, JUST, YEAH, THAT WON'T BE AS HIGH AS NEXT YEAR. YEAH. THE RATES HAVE COME DOWN. SO THEY ARE AT FIVE, 5.5% AN HOUR DOWN TO 4.75. THAT'D A DIFFERENCE. MAKES THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE BEFORE THEY, ONE, TWO, YOUR OTHER FINANCING SOURCES HERE, THAT'S YOUR BOND DRAWS AND SOME OTHER, UH, REVENUES THAT ARE JUST NOT NECESSARILY LIKE KIND MORE FINANCING OPTIONS. SO WE HAD ABOUT 20 MILLION AND, AND, AND OTHER FINANCING OPTIONS, UH, FOR BOND DRAWS FOR THE POLICE STATION AND FOR POWER, WHAT HAS BEEN OUR POLICY AROUND INTEREST REVENUE, WHEN WE HAVE A $6 MILLION SITUATION LIKE THIS, DO WE PUT IN THE GENERAL FUND AND SAY LIKE, WHAT'S BEEN POLICY? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING SO THE, THE [01:30:01] CASH GOES TO THE FUND THAT EARNED IT. SO IT, SO MAJORITY OF THAT CASH IS GOING TO ENTERPRISE FUNDS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE CASH IS. MAKES SENSE. SO THAT GROWS AND THEN WE MANAGE IT ON THAT BOARD. THAT'S CORRECT. MARK, IF I COULD ADD THAT THAT ALSO, THAT PROCESS IS ALSO IDENTIFIED IN OUR INVESTMENT, UH, FINANCE POLICY THAT WE HAD BROUGHT TO COUNCIL BACK IN 2017, I THINK IT WAS. WHO'S, WHO'S THE, UM, COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE NOW THAT MR. EXPERT IN TERMS OF KIRK. KIRK. THAT MAKES SENSE. HE'S AN EXPERT AS WELL. UM, I WHAT, SO WHEN, UH, INTEREST IS, UH, EARNED THEN BY THE GENERAL FUND, UH, OUR PRACTICE HAS NOT BEEN TO, UM, EARMARK IT. OUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN TO LET IT JUST GO TO THE BASE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WHICH I, I ACTUALLY THINK IS WISE. I THINK IT WOULD BE FOOLISH OF US TO START PLAYING THE MARKET AND THEN TRY TO SPEND IT EACH YEAR. AND UNLESS THE STATE ALLOWED MORE OF A RIGHT. THEY DON'T ALLOW FOR THAT. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO, YEAH. OKAY. ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, UM, EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY MUCH CLOSE TO, UH, WHAT WE THOUGHT. SO THERE'S A FEW CATEGORIES THAT I WANT TO GO OVER. UM, WE ALSO CHANGED HOW WE CLASSIFIED, WE'VE CHANGED HOW WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU. WE'VE HAD THE DATA, NOW WE'RE JUST PRESENTING TO YOU THE DATA, AND THAT IS, WE ARE BREAKING OUT WHAT THE MUR F BETWEEN WHAT WAS ALLOCATION TO GOING INTO MUR F AND WHAT'S COMING OUT. SO WE HAVE THOSE TWO SEPARATED AS WELL AS WE'RE, WE'RE SEPARATING WHAT'S COST ALLOCATION? THAT'S YOUR INTER TRANSFERS. THAT'S, THAT'S THE AGREED UPON PERCENTAGES THAT EACH FUND PAYS FOR THE GENERAL SERVICES LIKE HR, FINANCE, UM, MAYOR, LEGAL, UM, THEN THERE'S TRANSFERS, THERE'S THREE PARTS TO TRANSFERS HERE. THERE'S WORK ORDERS, WHICH WERE, WHERE ONE FUND DOES SERVICE FOR ANOTHER. THERE IS JUST A STRAIGHT CASH TRANSFER LIKE WE DID FOR CLOSING OUT THE PARKS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. AND THEN THERE IS A RISK TRANSFER THAT WE DO WHEN THERE'S AN INSURANCE CLAIM THAT COMES IN. WE TRANSFER FUNDS BACK TO COVER THAT, THAT LOSS OF THAT ITEM. AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT TRANSFERS ARE THERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF IT IS, IS THIS COST ALLOCATION, UM, TRANSFER AND WE'RE SHOWING THAT WE BUDGETED THIS, BUT WE ONLY TRANSFERRED THIS BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY USED. SO IT'S 95%. THERE'S A, SO WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING IS CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE TRANSFERRING. THERE'S NOT A GROSS UP THERE. IS THAT LANGUAGE GONNA BE MORE, UM, CONSISTENT GOING FORWARD? YES. BUT IT'S LIKE THIS IS YOUR COST ALLOCATION. YES. NOT YOUR AID FUND TRANSFER. YES. WE'RE GONNA DO BETTER AT CLEANING UP FLOORING, WHICH THE NOMENCLATURE SO THAT EVERYONE'S CLEAR ON WHAT IT'S OKAY. AND DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS IS ACTUAL DEBT. SO WE'RE MAKING PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS AND INTEREST WITH THE, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING DEBT SERVICE PAY, THIS IS A CHANGE RIGHT HERE OF HOW WE CLASSIFY WHAT DEBT IS. UM, IT'S NOT JUST DEBT PAYMENTS FOR THE, THE POLICE STATION AND FOR THE WASTEWATER. IT'S ALSO ALL THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED DEBT BY GASB STANDARDS LIKE LEASES, WHICH IS A CHANGE FROM LAST. RIGHT. WAS IT TRUE LAST YEAR? THAT'S CORRECT. AND UH, SO THE $3 MILLION, THE 3 MILLION JUMP IS PRETTY NORMAL, BUT THE LEASE IS LIKE, WE HAVE THE NEW, UH, FIRE TRUCKS ON LEASE. WE HAVE ALL THE CARS ON LEASE THAT'S IN THIS NUMBER. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WHAT OTHER BIG LEASES WOULD I THINK OF? IT'S THE TWO BIGGEST LEASES ARE ARE THEY'RE ALL, BOTH ARE ALL VEHICLES. IT'S POLICE AND FIRE, BUT WE DO HAVE LOTS OF SMALL LEASES. OH, TONS. YES. AND THEN WE HAVE A, A BUILDING HERE WHERE HR IS, I MEAN THAT'S A MEDIUM SIZED ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU CAN SEE HERE CAPITAL WE INC. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW ON THIS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO COLUMNS IS THAT WE DO BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND SO PRIORITIES CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THAT'S WHY WE START INCLUDING THOSE IN OUR, IN OUR, UM, CASH REPORT EACH MONTH SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE BUDGET. UM, BUT THERE'S LITTLE CHANGES THAT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. LIKE, OH, WE WANT, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THIS PROGRAM GO, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT TO, UM, FROM ONE CATEGORY OR ANOTHER. MOST OF THE TIME IT'S FROM OPERATING THE CAPITAL. VERY RARELY DO WE LET CHANGES HAPPEN IN WAGES. THE ONLY THING WE DO CHANGE IN WAGES IS USUALLY SEASONAL. LIKE I, I'M NOT GONNA USE A SEASONAL PERSON, I'M GONNA USE A CONTRACTOR. THAT CHANGE, WE WILL DO, BUT WE TYPICALLY DO NOT ALLOW WAGE [01:35:01] TRANSFERS TO REGULAR TIME WAGES AND BENEFITS. SO BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU'RE DONE, DO SURE. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. SO CAPITAL OUTLAY BEING 62 MILLION OF 106, IS THAT JUST TIMING? THAT'S GENERALLY TIGHTENING. OKAY. AND THEN OPERATING EXPENSES WERE 40, YOU KNOW, 30 SOMETHING MILLION OFF. THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG STACK. YEAH. AND DID WAS THAT JUST BECAUSE WE PLANNED ON INFLATION CONTINUED? LIKE WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD YOU SAY WAS THE, SO PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THERE'S GRANTS, TIMING OF GRANTS, PART OF THAT IS O UM, SOME OF IT IS TIMING OF, OF, UM, I GO HERE, BUT I SHOULDN'T JUST SAY, OH, WE GOT THAT MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND WE SAVED THAT MUCH MONEY. LIKE, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. SO WE HAVE LIKE, JUST TIGHTER PROJECTS. THERE'S GRANTS, WE HAVE A CHANGE, WE HAD A CHANGE IN HEALTH INSURANCE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A SECOND. AND THERE'S JUST ALSO THESE CAPACITY ISSUES. I MEAN, YOUR BUDGET IS A PLAN AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T GET TO YOUR PLAN. YEAH. SO THAT KIND OF IS MY QUESTION. THE DIRECTORS ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF DRIVE THE, UM, THE, THE IDEA TO MOVE FROM OPERATIONAL TO CAPITAL. YEAH. AND, AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ADOPT A PLAN, BUT YEAR AFTER YEAR OPERATING IS LOW AND SO THEN IT MOVES TO CAPITAL. IS THERE ANY CHECKS AND BALANCES ON THAT? THERE IS. AND USUALLY THOSE, THOSE CAPITAL PLANS COME TO COUNCIL. IT'S JUST LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED DURING THE YEAR, RIGHT? SOMETHING'S CHANGED. SO WE NEED TO DO THIS PROJECT. LIKE LET'S SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A NEW, I'M MAKING THINGS UP. YEAH, YEAH. BUT WE NEED A NEW RESTROOM. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THINGS FROM OPERATING CAPITAL TO GET THAT DONE. BUT IT ISN'T, IT ISN'T CONSISTENT YEAR AFTER YEAR THAT WE SEE AN OPERATING BUDGET THAT IS REALLY A CAPITAL. THE, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE HERE ALSO IS ALSO ENTERPRISE PLANNING. I MEAN, WE REPAIRING MAINTENANCE OF ROAD, UH, OF LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE DON'T NECESSARILY CALL THOSE CAPITAL EXPENSES. THEY THEY ARE, IF THEY'RE A NEW ADDITION, IT'S JUST PLAIN, LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BUDGET FOR WHAT WE THINK WE CAN GET DONE THIS YEAR. YEAH. AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T THE INTER THE GENERAL FUND THAT THAT DIFFERENCE THERE IS ONLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 5 MILLION. MARK, CAN YOU CAN, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WAS OUR REVENUES. YEP. SO OUR REVENUES CAME IN AT 2 94 AND WE'RE AT 2 57 IN SPENDING. AM I CORRECT? YES. I WAS GONNA DO THAT IN JUST A SECOND. OKAY. LET ME JUST GO BACK TO SORT OF, UM, SEE IF I'M TRACKING WITH WHAT, UH, COUNCIL PRESIDENT WAS BRINGING UP. UM, IF IT'S RELATIVELY MINOR, AND THIS IS SORT OF MORE ARC THAN, THAN SCIENCE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE RULES OR THE EXPECTATIONS, BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S RELATIVELY MINOR, I MEAN, OF COURSE WE WANNA GIVE DIRECTORS SOME, UH, DISCRETION TO MANAGE AND IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, BIGGER IT, IT WILL COME UP. UH, CHANCES ARE A, UM, AN ACCOUNTANT MIGHT FLAG IT AND SAY, HEY, NO, THIS IS A LITTLE BIG. YOU WANT TO TALK TO YOUR, TO THE MAYOR. OR, UH, SOMETIMES, UH, DIRECTORS WILL RUN THIS PAST LIAISONS AND AS LONG AS THE LIAISONS ARE OKAY, WE LET THESE THINGS HAPPEN, IT'S WHEN THEY GET TO BE RATHER SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF SOMETHING YOU MAY HAVE BEEN EXPECTING. RIGHT. SOME PROGRAM, SOME INITIATIVE, THEN IT WILL COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR A CONVERSATION PERHAPS. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THESE, THESE, UH, TRANSFERS ARE SMALL AND EVERY AND EVERY BUDGET ADJUSTMENT HAS AN APPROVAL PROCESS. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S, PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO JUST MAKE CHANGES OR WHATEVER. AND I GUESS I WASN'T VERY CLEAR ON MY QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WASN'T OKAY. EXACTLY. IT IT WAS MORE LIKE IF MUNICIPAL SERVICES HAS THAT BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY, RIGHT? YEAH. LIKE IT'S KIND OF BEEN, THEN YOU WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR FIVE YEARS OR FOR EIGHT YEARS, YOU'VE MOVED 3 MILLION OUT OF OPERATING INTO, INTO CAPITAL. LIKE THERE'S SOME KIND OF LIKE CHECK ON ON JUST THAT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A WAY TO PLAY THE BUDGET, I JUST SAY THAT IT IS A WAY TO PLAY THE BUDGET AND IF, IF MUNICIPAL SERVICES HAS THAT, SO I WOULD TELL YOU THAT LIKE RESPONSIBILITY, THEN IT'S LIKE, OH YEAH, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO HELP THAT THE BUDGETING BE MORE ACCURATE. MAJORITY OF THIS IS ENTERPRISE RELATED. OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT KIND OF ANSWER. AND PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ENTERPRISE RELATED, ALSO HAVING THE CAPACITY, SO WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOD FALL OR A GOOD WINTER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET A LOT OF STUFF DONE. SO HAVING THAT CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT WORK DONE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEATHER SOMETIMES ISN'T TO OUR BENEFIT AS WELL. AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO REOPEN THE BUDGET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. SO AS, UH, CUSTOMER FER POINTED OUT, THERE'S ABOUT THREE 6 MILLION IN NET NET INCOME. ABOUT 20 MILLION OF THAT IS ENTERPRISE, UH, RELATED 6 MILLION IS IMPACT FEES. THERE'S 2 MILLION IN STREETS, 3 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND, AND THERE'S LIKE 5 MILLION [01:40:01] FUNDS. THAT'S, WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD THINK IN TERMS OF WE'RE SAVING MONEY FOR WATER TREAT. LIKE WE, WE KNOW WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS SOME OF THIS. SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER THERE. THE, THE MAJORITY OF REASON WHY THE CITY HOLDS, UH, LARGE CASH BALANCES THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE CASH TO COVER YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND, UH, WE DO HAVE THE, UM, BEAR AND CHRIS DO HAVE PLANS TO DO, YOU KNOW, REGULAR REPLACEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THE AGING STUFF IS REPLACED. YOU STILL NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT FOR THE FUTURE, THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE MONEY TO REPLACE THAT, UH, IN, IN ANY GIVEN TIME WHEN IT BREAKS DOWN. OKAY. UH, GENERAL FUND, SO HERE'S THE GENERAL FUND, UM, REVENUE AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, UM, SAME AS AS LAST TIME I DIDN'T PUT THE BUDGET IN FOR MURF CASH. THAT IS 2.6 MILLION. UM, THIS IS THE CASH THAT WE USE OUT OF MURF. THIS IS NOT WHAT'S GOING INTO MURPH AND IT MATCHES THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. THIS JUST SHOWS THAT, THAT IN OUR BUDGET WE PLAN TO SPEND MUR, IF YOU REMEMBER OUR BUDGET PACKETS, WE HAVE REVENUE AND THEN MURF CASH THAT WE PLAN TO SPEND FOR THE YEAR. BUT I WANNA POINT OUT REAL QUICK, PROPERTY TAXES. UM, THE OTHER FUNDS ARE SITTING AT PROPERTY TAXES AT, AT ABOUT 92% GENERAL FUNDS SLIGHTLY HIGHER. THAT'S BECAUSE THIS YEAR THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO THE, TO THE, UH, STATE, UH, PLAN. AND THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL AN AN INCREASE TO PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. IT'S CALLED AN ADDITIONAL PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ALLEGATION, WHICH COMES FROM THE STATE AS WELL AS JUST, THEY CHANGED THEY CALL CIRCUIT BREAKER, WHICH IS WHERE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CALL CIRCUIT BREAKER, IT MAKES NO SENSE, BUT IT'S THEIR, UM, UH, ASSISTANCE FOR, UH, LOW INCOME FAMILIES. AND SO THAT COMES THROUGH AS CALLED ADDITIONAL TAX. AND SO WE HAVEN'T ALLOCATED THOSE, UH, BECAUSE THE RECEIVABLE THAT WE HAVE OUTSTANDING ON PRIVATE TAXES STILL MAKES EVERYONE HOLD OUT A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW THAT THOSE FUNDS, WHICH IS ABOUT 900,000, IS GOING INTO THE BASE OF THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WE'RE GONNA MONITOR THAT AS THE EVENT THAT THE COLLECTION SYSTEM COME THROUGH. THEY WILL LOOK AT DOING AN ALLOCATION. MARK, YOUR ESTIMATES ARE IMPORTANT TO ME EVERY YEAR AND IT LOOKS LIKE 3 5 7 0 3 WAS YOUR ESTIMATE IN THE BUDGET YEP. FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND 3 5 8 55 IS WHAT YOU THINK WILL END IT? NO, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE RIGHT NOW. SO AT THE, WHERE, WHAT NUMBER WILL WE GET TO WITH THE LAST, SO THERE'S ABOUT 800,000 UNCOLLECTED PROPERTY TAXES. SO YOU THINK ANOTHER SO, BUT THAT GETS SPREAD AROUND ALL THE TAX ENTITIES. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. IT'S NOT JUST ONE YEAR. THIS, THE PROPERTY TAXES YOU SHOW HERE IS ONLY THAT PROPERTY TAXES ATTRIBUTED TO THAT YEAR. OKAY. UM, INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE IS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE EXPECTED. EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A DECREASE THERE, WE STILL ENDED ABOUT 90%. UM, AND SO I THINK WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL ON, ON WHAT WE DID. THE JAIL FUND, I WILL SHOW THAT THE, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS IS YOUR BUILDING PERMITS THAT INCREASE RIGHT THERE. AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR, HOW WE COLLECTED ABOUT 600,000 EXTRA IN INTEREST REVENUE. ANY QUESTION ON GENERAL FUND? WE'RE GONNA GET INTO A LITTLE MORE ANALYSIS ON THAT HERE IN A SECOND. JUST KIND EXPLAIN. THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION MORE FOR MICHAEL, BUT THE, THE PENALTIES, THE INTEREST OF PENALTIES THAT THE COUNTY HE IS WITHHOLDING IS THAT, THAT'S STILL IN THE COURTS? YES. UH, THE SUPREME COURT I THINK HAS HEARD ARGUMENTS ON IT BUT HAS NOT ISSUED AN OPINION YET. UH, I WILL TAKE A PULSE ON WHERE THAT IS. UM, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT, UH, UH, ORAL ARGUMENTS HAVE EITHER JUST HAPPENED OR ABOUT TO HAPPEN AND THERE'S USUALLY TWO OR THREE MONTHS BEFORE AN OPINION'S ISSUED. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT IN THAT 800,000 NO, IT'S ABOUT 250,000 A YEAR. YEAH. BETWEEN TWO TO 250,000. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT IS, IT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY SIGNIFICANT TO THE GENERAL FUND. I MEAN, IT WOULD FUND THINGS SURE. OR COUNT DOWN DOLLARS, BUT, UH, 250,000 TO 70 MILLION IS YEAH, SURE. WELL, IT'S HUGE ON THE LAST DAY OF THE BUDGET. IT'S RIGHT. UM, SO, UH, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, IT WAS NOT DISCUSSED IN OUR MOST RECENT, UM, A IC BOARD MEETING, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILOR FRANCIS [01:45:01] AND I, WHO ARE NOW BOTH ON THE BOARD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT A IC IS READY WHEN THAT, UH, DECISION COMES DOWN AND READY TO INTRODUCE THE BILL THAT HAS BEEN INTRODUCED IN THE PAST. IF, UH, IF THE DECISION DOESN'T GO THE WAY WE NEED IT TO OR, OR IF WE NEED TO SHORT THINGS UP, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY, UH, WITH STATE LAW. SO, UM, WE NEED MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT ON THEIR AGENDA. OKAY. HERE'S THE EXPENSE SIDE REAL QUICK. UH, SO WE HIT 97%, 98% ON WAGES. UH, OPERATING EXPENSES WAS 81%. CAPITAL OUTLAY IS 27% AND THAT WAS MOSTLY DUE TO TIMING AND HARBOR FUNDS. THOSE ARE COMING, THEY JUST HAVEN'T, UH, COME TO FRUITION YET. UH, WE, WE HIT A BUDGET ON, ON DEBT SERVICE TRANSFERS AND ALLOCATION AND JUST AS A REMINDER, TRANSFERS IS A WORK ORDER AND RISK TRANSFERS AND THE COST ALLOCATION, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, WE CHARGED OUT TO DEPARTMENTS. I LIKE THAT CHANGE OF LANGUAGE. OKAY, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE JUMP FUND A LITTLE BIT. SO, BUT HERE'S THE HIGHLIGHT. SO WE DID HAVE IT, WE DID, IF YOU REMEMBER SITE QUARTER, WE CAME FORWARD, WE SAID, HEY STACEY HERE, RELEVANT STATE SHARE REVENUE. THEY'VE NOTIFIED US THAT IT WAS GONNA BE DECREASED BY A MILLION. WE CAME TO COUNCIL AND SAID, AT THAT TIME, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. WE CAN OFFSET IT BY OTHER REVENUES AND OR WE COULD, UM, DO A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. WE LIKE TO DO BE CONSERVATIVE AND DID IT BY THE JOB ADJUSTMENT. HOWEVER THE REVENUES DID COME IN. SO AT THE TIME THAT WE MADE THAT DECISION, UH, BUILDING PERMITS WERE ABOUT 700,000. THEY ENDED UP BEING 2 MILLION. SO FROM THAT TIME TO THE END, WE GOT ADDITIONAL 1.3 MILLION BILLION PERMITS. UH, INTEREST REVENUE ALSO INCREASED TOWARDS THE END. AND SO WE HAD QUITE A FEW INCREASES IN REVENUES. THE, FOR ME, THE BIGGEST SAVINGS THERE IS THE EXPENSE SIDE. UM, A LOT OF OUR, OUR OPERATING EXPENSE DECREASED TO BUY ABOUT 5 MILLION. UH, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HIT THAT TARGET BECAUSE IT JUST CAME DOWN TO TIMING PROJECTS. THERE WAS GRANTS WORK CAPACITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DO AT THE END OF THIS YEAR WAS WE CHANGED HOW WE DID HEALTH INSURANCE AS FAR AS ALLOCATION TO THE DEPARTMENTS. IT USED TO BE THAT WE WERE DOING COLLECTION FOR THE NEXT MONTH. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S, THAT WE ASSIGNED TO THE DEPARTMENT WOULD PAY THE NEXT MONTH'S HEALTH INSURANCE BILL. UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, UM, UH, WE MADE A CHANGE THAT THE EMPLOYEE PORTION WOULD BE FOR CURRENT, BUT THE CITY'S PORTION WOULD BE FOR THE FUTURE MONTHS. SO WHEN AN EMPLOYEE WITHHOLDS THEIR, FROM THEIR PAYCHECK, THEIR PORTION OF HEALTH INSURANCE THAT COVERED THIS YEAR, THAT MONTH'S HEALTH INSURANCE PAYMENT. SO WORKING WITH HR AND WITH OUR ACCOUNTING TEAM WITH BROOKS, WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD MAKE THEM BOTH CONSISTENT, THAT THE WHATEVER WE ASSIGN TO THE DEPARTMENT AND WHENEVER WE COLLECT FOR AN EMPLOYEE WOULD BE FOR THAT MONTH. AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAD TO, WE WERE HOLDING THE NEXT MONTH'S PREMIUM IN OUR PAYROLL LIABILITY ACCOUNT. WE REFUNDED THAT TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS SO THAT WE WERE ONLY COLLECTING FOR THAT MONTH. SO THAT HAD AN EFFECT ON THE NET INCOME THAT THAT TOTAL ACROSS ALL THE FUNDS WAS A MILLION. ABOUT A MILLION. AND SO A GENERAL FUND HAD A A, A BUDGET REDUCTION OF A 700,000 THAT ADDED TO OUR NET INCOME. UM, SO JUST TO TALK ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE STILL FEEL THAT IT'S THE BEST PRACTICE TO BE CONSERVATIVE, I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES IT COMES ACROSS THAT WE SAY THE SKY IS FALLEN, BUT THEN IT ENDS UP OKAY. UM, PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO GO THAT ROUTE INSTEAD OF SAYING EVERYTHING'S OKAY AND THEN SAY, OH BY THE WAY, I WAS WRONG OR OFF BY A COUPLE MILLION. AND SO I KNOW THAT THAT CAN SOMETIMES BE FRUSTRATING WHEN YOU'RE BUDGETING, BUT THAT'S ACCOUNTS FOR YOU. WE'RE GONNA BE CONSERVATIVE, UM, AND GIVE US ALL OF THE BEST POSSIBLE PATH, UH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE DO MOST OF OUR EXPENSES IN THE LAST PART OF THE YEAR. WITH THAT BEING SAID, OUR NET INCOME WAS 2.88 MILLION. SO WE HAVE OUTSTANDING ENCUMBRANCES. THAT MEANS THAT THERE WAS POS ISSUED BUT NOT FINALIZED UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR OF 800,000. UM, THEY DON'T HIT THE BUDGET YEAR EXPENSE LINE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HIT THE RULES OF ACCRUED, MEANING THAT THE SERVICE EITHER HASN'T BEEN PERFORMED OR THE ITEM HADN'T BEEN RECEIVED YET. IT WAS IN PROCESS. SO THOSE WE, WE CALL A BUDGET ROLLOVER AND THE COUNCIL GRANTS US ABOUT 4 MILLION, UH, FOR ALL THE FUNDS TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE ENCUMBRANCES IN PROCESS OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT'S SAY 145,000. THAT [01:50:01] MEANS WE KIND OF DEDUCT THAT FROM THE NET INCOME TO SAY, HEY, OF THAT NET INCOME, THESE, THIS 800,000 IS STILL GONNA BE PAID OUT. DO YOU EVER SEPARATE THE ONES THAT, LIKE IF A DIRECTOR KNEW THAT THE INCOME THAT THEY HAD BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND THE BUDGET WAS GONNA START IN OCTOBER, BUT THEY SPEND THE MONEY IN SEPTEMBER, DID THEY DO SEPARATE YOUR ENCUMBRANCES OR IS IT JUST LIKE NO, IT'S ENCUMBERED. NO, WE SEPARATE, WE SET ON A LIST SAYING, WELL FIRST WE CUT OFF, EVERYTHING IS SMALL. ANYTHING LESS THAN 500 WE CUT OFF ANYTHING THAT'S OVER 500,000 WE CUT OFF AND WE SET, I'M OUT SAYING ANYTHING THAT YOU DID NOT REBUDGET. OKAY, THIS IS WHAT ENCUMBER GOAL OVER IS FOR. AND WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PULSE ON WHAT THOSE ITEMS ARE. USUALLY IT'S YOUR BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT ARE REBUDGETED. WHEN THE DEPARTMENT COMES BACK, THERE'S A LARGE ITEM, WE'LL DIG A LITTLE DEEPER TO, TO VERIFY THAT THAT ITEM AND IN FACT WASN'T REBUDGETED. UM, AND UM, BROOKS IDENTIFIED A WAY THAT WE COULD INPUT BUDGET DATA INTO OUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM SO THAT WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ACCOUNTING LINE AND SAYING, HEY, THESE ITEMS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT, SO WE CAN VALIDATE THAT AS WELL. SO YEAH, UM, THOSE WERE DUE BACK ON FRIDAY SO THAT WE CAN DO THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS AND THEY'LL BE SEEING THAT COMING UP IN HERE, A FUTURE TREASURY REPORT OF THAT ALLOCATION. UM, THAT LEAVES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO COUNCIL REPEATEDLY ABOUT IS THE SAVINGS ON HEALTH INSURANCE. NOW WE DON'T REPRIORITIZE THIS AMOUNT, SO THAT AMOUNT WE THEN MOVE TO DESIGNATED CASH ACCOUNTS. AND SO THIS YEAR, BASED ON OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION EARLIER, WE'RE SPLITTING THAT 50 50 BETWEEN CAPITAL AND HEALTH INSURANCE. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE MOVE 600,000 TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND AND 600,000 THE CAPITAL. SO WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON A TREASURY REPORT, WHICH DIDN'T MOVE THE PROOF. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THOSE FUNDS JUST SO I CAN SEE THE, WHAT THE PERSONNEL SAVINGS ACCOUNT FUND BALANCE IS AND THEN WHAT THE CAPITAL FUND BALANCE IS? CAPITAL YOU DON'T SEE ON HERE BECAUSE THAT'S, UM, WE DON'T PUT THOSE, WE DON'T PUT THOSE SEPARATELY ON THE TREASURY REPORT. IT'S NOT IN ITS OWN FUND. IT'S IN ITS OWN FUND, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE, I'LL GO BACK HERE, HOLD ON. THIS IS WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IN THE LIST THAT HAS ALL THE FUNDS LIKE ON THIS LIST? YES. SO THIS DESIGNATED HAS CAPITAL IN IT, BUT IT'S NOT ALL CAPITAL. IT'S ARPA. THERE'S MUL THERE'S MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS IN THERE. THIS ONE DOWN HERE? YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY MOST OF IT RIGHT THERE. OKAY. THAT'S THE 4 MILLION WE GOT FROM THE, I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT THAT MEANS. RETIRED LIVES. RETIRED LIVES, THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT, I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 800,000 THIS YEAR THAT WE TRANSFERRED OVER. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD PUT LIKE 600,000 INTO FUND 20. YES. AND 600,000 INTO FUND ONE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THIS DOESN BLANK. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A NECESSARY COUNCIL, BUT ALL JUST THAT YOU ARE OKAY WITH US. THIS WAS OUR PLAN. WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO LET ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. I, I I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT HEALTH FUND, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO FUNDS. ONE WHERE WE GOT THE MONEY FROM THAT STARTED AT 4 MILLION AT GRADUALLY GREW. AND THEN I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WE WERE USING FOR ADJUSTMENT ANNUALLY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHERE IS THE 600 THERE, THERE WE, THEY'RE BOTH CONSIDERED DESIGNATED. OKAY. BUT THERE IS TWO SEPARATE GL LINES ON THAT, THAT ACCOUNT. SO WHY WOULD THE 600,000 GO INTO THAT? NOT TO THE SELF-INSURANCE POTENTIAL FUND, BUT THE OTHER ONE FOR IT WILL, WE JUST DON'T PRESENT THE AND THE FUND 20, WE HAVE TWO LINES. OKAY. ONE IS, THAT CAME FROM OUR RETIRED LIVES. THE OTHER ONE CAME FROM OUR, OUR UH, OUR SALARY SAVINGS AND, AND OUR BUDGETARY BASIS. BUT WE PRESENT 'EM ON OUR CASH REPORT AS ONE. OKAY. SO BOTH THOSE ARE IN THAT SAME LINE, 20. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. IS IT, IS IT CALLED, IS IT CALLED, UM, HEALTH INSURANCE STABILIZATION? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? YES. YEAH. OKAY. HEALTH IATION. THANK YOU. I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THAT WORD WAS. HOW MUCH MONEY IS IT PRIOR TO THE $600,000 TRANSFER? ANYTHING? UH, BALLPARK. DON'T EVEN NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY. WE'LL TAKE A SECOND. WE'LL, UH, IT'S KIND. I'LL CONTINUE TALKING. OKAY. SO THIS, THAT, THAT AFTER THOSE TWO TRANSFERS, THAT LEAVES ABOUT 800,000. UH, THE REASON WHY WE LEAVE THAT THERE IS JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE GROWING OUR BASE AND OUR GENERAL FUND BECAUSE, UH, BEST PRACTICES FOR GOVERNMENTAL COUNTY IS THAT YOU MAINTAIN 25% OF YOUR OPERATING [01:55:01] BUDGET, UH, AND RESERVE. AND SO THAT'S OUR GOAL. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE. THE FIRST YEAR THAT, UH, I WAS ON THE COUNCIL OR ELECTED, UH, WE HAD, UM, SOME BIG CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A POLICY STATEMENT, UH, THAT WE PASSED AS A COUNCIL THAT SAID WE WILL MAINTAIN A FUND RESERVE OF X PERCENT AND SOME SAY 17%, SOME WERE SAYING 25. BUT, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS, THAT CONVERSATION WAS SORT OF MOOT BECAUSE IT WAS THEORETICAL THAT WE'RE FINALLY GETTING TO THE POINT NOW WHERE WE CAN HAVE, START TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND BE ABLE TO, UM, UM, ACTUALLY PASS SOMETHING BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE MONEY IN THE BANK. SO A FEW MORE YEARS OF EXCELLENT MANAGEMENT AND WE MIGHT ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE THIS COMFORT ZONE EVERY DECEMBER. I, I, I FORESEE THAT ONCE ARPAS DONE, WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. WHAT ARE WE AT 18? WHAT NUMBER ARE WE AT? 20? UM, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE EXACT. AND WHAT, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER IN DOLLAR? UH, SO IT'S 25% OF 72 MILLION. OKAY. 18. 18. AND AS OF SEPTEMBER, IF YOU TAKE OUT ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF CASH, I THINK WE'RE AT 12. UH, WE AT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YEAH, 12 SEEMS LIKE A, I SAID 18% GFOA BEST PRACTICE IS 25. THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT BASE BUDGETING FOR THOSE WHO WERE ON THE COUNCIL BACK THEN PBD AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SUGGESTED ALSO SWAY BY. OKAY. SO THAT, ANY QUESTIONS ON GENERAL FUND AND NET INCOME AND WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE? OKAY. UM, OUR NEXT, UH, DISCUSSION POINT IS ARVA. OKAY. WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE, THE HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW PROJECTS ARE OPEN CURRENTLY. UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THE, UH, DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS HERE TO GIVE YOU ANY UPDATES ON THE PROJECTS. BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, AS I SAID EARLIER, THAT WE HAVE TO COMMIT THE FUNDS NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 AND EXPEND ALL THOSE FUNDS NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2026. WE DO HAVE OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING WE THIS YEAR, UM, ON DECEMBER 19TH. SO YOU'LL SEE A, A FEW COMING FORWARD THEN. AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING ON THE 12TH, SO YOU'LL SEE EITHER THE 12TH OR THE 19TH. HOPEFULLY THIS, THIS LIST WILL BE CLOSED OUT. WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING COMMITTED AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE GOOD TO GO. SO, UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS HERE. UH, THE BEAR CAT, UH, THE BEAR CAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL. IT'S BEEN ORDERED AND IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING MANUFACTURED AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO WE SHOULD BE GETTING THAT IN PLENTY OF TIME. UM, THE OTHER CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD IS THE NORTH STATION, SO THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT EARLIER. I'M GOING TO JUMP DOWN A LITTLE BIT. UM, THE CITY HALL ELEVATOR, THE ELEVATOR ARRIVED THIS MORNING. UM, SHE'S ALL NICE AND PACKED UP INTO THAT CON UH, CONEX BOX. YOU SEE IT COMES IN PIECES AND PARTS AND SO CON A'S GONNA BE ON SITE FOR ABOUT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS TO PUT THAT ELEVATOR IN. BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS COMMITTED THROUGH COUNCIL. WE'RE GOOD TO GO. WE JUST NEED TO EXPEND THIS FUNDS NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2026. AND WE MET WITH THE, UM, THE ORMAN REPRESENTATIVES AND THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETED PROBABLY THE MID TO THE END OF JANUARY. SO WE'RE RIGHT ON TRACK WITH THAT. SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, SECURITY ACCESS POINTS, PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. THOSE ARE LIKE ONESIE, TWOSIES. THEY'RE NOT HUGE PROJECTS THAT NECESSARILY REQUIRE, UH, OVER $75,000. IT'S JUST MAINLY GETTING A LOT OF THE MATERIALS SO WE CAN START INSTALLING SOME OF OUR ACCESS SECURITY POINTS. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE DONE SOME OF THOSE, UM, IN OUR MAYOR'S OFFICE AND ALSO DOWN IN THE BASEMENT AREA NEAR OUR EMPLOYEE MAIL ROOM. UH, THERE IS A, A SECURITY ACCESS POINT THERE. OUR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WAS A SECURITY ACCESS POINT, AS WELL AS THAT LITTLE COVE THAT GOES FROM THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS ALL THE WAY TO THOSE LITTLE STEPS. AND DOWN AND AROUND. WE PUT A, A SECURITY ACCESS POINT IN THERE AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE FINDING THAT SOME OF OUR, UM, RESIDENTS WERE GETTING A LITTLE, TURNED AROUND A LITTLE BIT. SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT, UH, TAKEN CARE OF THERE. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE HIGHLIGHTED ONES, BUT THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE THAT, UH, WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH YOU, UH, HERE SHORTLY. SO WE'RE ALL GOOD FOR THE DECEMBER 31ST BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FIRE CONTRACT ON TOMORROW. WE SHOULD BE GOOD. WE SHOULD BE GOOD. WE DO HAVE OUR FRONTIER CENTER. UH, THAT BID CLOSES. THE, THE THIRD THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC BID OPENING ON THE 3RD OF DECEMBER [02:00:01] ON THAT, THAT ONE THERE. SO, UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE, THE BIG PROJECTS. YEP. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. CAN YOU FIND A DIFFERENCE JUST FOR ANYBODY WHO LISTENING BETWEEN COMMITTED AND EXPEND? I MEAN, EXPENDED, THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU, YOU PAID, WRITTEN THE CHECK, IT'S DONE. BUT COMMITTED IS, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF COMMITTED? WELL, THE COMMITTED WOULD BE THAT WE TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE A FORMAL APPROVAL OF EXPENDING THOSE FUNDS OVER THE LIFE OF THAT PROJECT FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD. SO, AS WE MENTIONED, THIS IS OUR APPROVED LIST. WE'VE GONE TO COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, WITH APPROVED LISTS OF PROJECTS. SO THESE ARE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WENT FORWARD TO COUNCIL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, FOR, UH, SPECIFIC ARPA FUNDS. AND SO THE COMMITMENT PIECE IS GOING TO COUNCIL WITH THE APPROVAL OF, OF THE ACTUAL USING THOSE FUNDS FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT. AND THEN THE EXPENDED IS YOU HAVE TO PAY ALL THE BILLS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2026. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAKING A VOTE ON A SPREADSHEET SAYING THIS IS HOW WE, UH, INTEND TO SPEND THEM, AND IT'S A FORMAL COUNCIL VOTE, AND IT INCLUDES THE FIRE STATION AND FRONTIER CENTER AND A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE OPEN. UM, UH, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COUNCIL TAKING THAT FORMAL ACTION AND THEN THE FORMAL ACTION THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE, SAY TOMORROW NIGHT ON THE, UH, FIRE STATION BID? OR THAT MIGHT HAPPEN LATER ON THE FRONTIER? UH, BID. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE OBLIGATED, WHILE COUNCIL SAYS MANY OF THESE PROJECTS, WE'VE ASSIGNED THOSE IN THE REPORTING FOR TREASURY AS PROJECTS WE'RE PLANNING TO USE THE 90 FOR THE OBLIGATION DEADLINE IS YOU HAVE TO BE CONTRACTED WITH VENDORS. OKAY. SO COMMITTEE INCLUDES A CONTRACT OR HAVE, OR HAVE STAFF. IF IT'S LIKE SELF PERFORMED WORK, WE CAN SAY IT'S FULLY OBLIGATED BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DO IT OURSELVES. THANK YOU FOR, FOR, I JUST WAS STRAINING AT THAT AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR. OKAY. THEN, UM, WHY IS, UM, DO WE CONSIDER THE, UM, CITYWIDE ARPA ADMINISTRATION SLASH TFG GRANT ADMINISTRATOR STILL OPEN WHEN IT WAS, WHEN IT'S, IT WAS ONLY 32 BUCKS AND, AND IT'S ALL DONE. AND SO THAT IS STILL THERE BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE FINAL WORD ON THE FRONTIER CENTER PROJECT TO BE A D EIGHT ELIGIBLE UNDER A SPECIFIC BUCKET FOR THE ARPA GRANT OF TITLE FORM FUNDS. AND SO WE MIGHT TRANSFER THE $32 NO, BECAUSE IT WAS EXPENDED. SO THERE'S A ZERO BALANCE. THERE'S, WE HAD OBLIGATED, I BELIEVE, 600,000 AS ADMIN. AND SO WE MAY STILL USE IT AS ADMIN VERSUS THE FRONTIER CENTER PIECE. SO THERE'D JUST BE A SHIFTING OF WHERE WE SPEND THOSE AND REIMBURSING OURSELVES. YES. 'CAUSE THE, WE HAVE A LIMIT OF 10 MILLION THAT WE CAN SPEND AS REVENUE REPLACEMENT, AND THAT'S KIND OF, YOU SPEND IT ON ANYTHING. SO THAT ADDITIONAL 570,000 HAS TO COME UNDER A DIFFERENT ARCA BUCKET. BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE LINE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN IT FOR $32. THAT'S WHAT WE SPENT ON ADMIN SO FAR THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY CHARGED AGAINST THE GRANT. BUT YOU COULD DO UP TO SIX, ALMOST SIX, 600,000. I GUESS YOUR QUESTION IS WHY IS IT OPEN? YEAH. BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE TO USE THAT IF WE CAN'T USE TITLE ONE FOR, BUT THAT LINE WAS NEVER FOR ADMINISTRATION. THAT LINE WAS TO HIRE A PERSON. AND SO, UH, OR THAT, THAT, THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR, AND THEN IT GOT MIXED UP AND, AND CONFUSED AND LATER ON WE ENDED UP NOT, WE JUST SCRAPPED THAT PROJECT BECAUSE THE MONEY HAD BEEN PUSHED TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT WAS NEVER MEANT FOR FORMAL ADMINISTRATION COSTS. IT WAS MEANT FOR, UM, HIRING AS A PERSONNEL. WE'RE JUST GONNA OPEN IN CASE THERE'S EVENTS THAT WE HAVE TO REPRIORITIZE. OKAY. LL NOT HAVE TO RETURN FUNDS. YES. THAT'S ALL THE REASON WHY IT LEFT OPEN. YOU'RE RIGHT. AND WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO HIRE, WE'RE JUST GONNA OPEN IN THE EVENT TO BE A BUCKET HOLDER IN CASE WE HAVE TO REPRIORITIZE THE FUNDS. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND IF I COULD JUST ADD REAL QUICKLY, UH, JUST A HUGE THANK YOU TO LISA FERRIS, OUR A DA COORDINATOR. SHE HAS BEEN RUNNING DOWN THE TITLE ONE MONEY WITH THE FRONTIER CENTER. SHE'S DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK, A LOT OF CONNECTIONS, A LOT OF PUBLIC NOTICES. WE DO HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AT 11 O'CLOCK. UM, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE THE LAST MEETING IN ORDER TO SEE IF WE CAN GET QUALIFICATION FOR TITLE ONE FUNDS FOR THE A DA PORTION OF THE FRONTIER CENTER. YOU MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED THIS WHEN I STEPPED OUT, BUT THE SURFACE WATER IRRIGATION AT THE STORM DRAIN IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE BOTH LOOK LIKE THEY'LL BE CONTRACTED BY THE 31ST DIRECTOR FREDERICKSON MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE INSIGHT ON THAT. YOU WANT TO GRAB A MIC DIRECTOR? SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST COMMENT THAT DEADLINES ARE A GOOD THING. UM, WE HAVE FOUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WILL BE OPENING ON DECEMBER 3RD. OKAY. THAT OBLIGATE ALL OF THESE FUNDS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A MATERIALS PACKAGE, UM, THAT ALSO OPENS ON DECEMBER 3RD, THOUGH ALL OF THOSE FUNDS SHOULD BE COVERED BY THAT DAY [02:05:01] TO MEET OUR DEADLINE. SO WE HAVE THE STORM IMPROVEMENTS, THE WATER SERVICE CONVERSION FRONTIER WE DO. AND THAT DECEMBER 3RD WILL BE A BUSY OPENING DAY IF YOU WANT TO COME SPENDING MONEY. IT'LL BE A FUN DAY. ALRIGHT. I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE ALL CLEAN BIDS PLUS THE FRONTIER CENTER. THEN WE'LL SEE ALL OF THOSE COMING FORWARD, UH, AT OUR DECEMBER MEETINGS. IS THAT RIGHT? AT THE, AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE COUNCIL MEETING, WE'LL PUT THOSE THROUGH. SO I AND SEE THOSE BIDS. YES. THANK YOU. SO JUST A REMINDER, WE HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT THE 12TH OF DECEMBER AND THE 19TH OF DECEMBER. AND SO THE PROJECT, UH, CHAMPIONS ON THOSE PROJECTS ARE VERY AWARE OF THE DATES. SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GET THOSE GOING. AND I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE UPDATE. WE HAVE TO DO QUARTERLY REPORTING ON THIS ARPA GRANT. WE, THOSE ARE USUALLY DUE 30 DAYS AFTER THE END OF A QUARTER, BUT WITH THIS OBLIGATION DEADLINE OF DECEMBER 31ST, WE HAVE TO OBLIGATE THOSE FUNDS IN THE SYSTEM BY DECEMBER 31ST. SO THOSE DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE BY THEN. WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXTRA 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD TO KIND A READING PURPOSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO WILL BE STAYING LATE IN ADVANCE. OKAY. UH, KIND OF CLOSE, BUT WE'LL GET IT DONE. UM, OKAY. THE POLICE COMPLEX, THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE AT AT A POLICE COMPLEX. I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL COME IN AND GIVE YOU KIND OF DETAILS, BUT THIS IS JUST A FINANCIAL REPORT. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ENSURE THAT I GIVE YOU SOME, UH, WARM FS OF THAT WE ARE WITHIN BUDGET. UM, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE 30 MILLION, WE HAVE 29.3 MILLION SPENT. WE HAVE ABOUT 200,000 ENCUMBRANCES OF OPEN POS. NOT ALL THAT WILL BE SPENT. SO THAT'S JUST TRYING TO CLOSE OUT THE POS, MAKE SURE THE CHECKLISTS ARE DONE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT DONE, UH, IN DECEMBER SO WE CAN CLOSE OUT THE, THE GRANT SO THAT WITH THAT THERE'LL BE ABOUT, UM, FIVE, 700,000 LEFT OVER. ONCE THOSE CONFERENCES ARE CLOSED AND EVERYTHING'S DONE, THAT COMES INTO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS THERE'S ABOUT 1.3 MILLION IN INTEREST SITTING IN THE ACCOUNT. THAT HAS TO GO INTO ARBITRAGE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HIRE A CONSULTANT THAT, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE, UH, TAX EXEMPT BONDS THAT WE CAN'T BACK BACK UP JUST A MINUTE. I WANNA, I'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE I GET THIS IN MY HEAD. 1.3 MILLION. WE OWE AN INTEREST. NO, THAT WE'VE ACCRUED AN INTEREST BECAUSE WE LEFT CASH IN THE BANK AND HAD AN INVERTED CURVE. AND SO WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD INTEREST. SO WE HAVE 1.3 BEYOND THE 13. YEAH. SO YOU WOULD ASSUME THAT WE HAVE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 700,000 SITTING IN OUR ACCOUNT TO DRAW DOWN. AND IT'S REALLY 2 MILLION BECAUSE THERE'S INTEREST IN THERE. UH, THAT INTEREST THAT WE'VE EARNED HAS TO GO THROUGH A CALCULATION, A REBATE CALCULATION THAT WE CALL ARBITRAGE. UM, THAT PIECE, UH, THE IRS SAYS THAT WE CANNOT MAKE, UH, MONEY ABOVE WHERE OUR, OUR, UH, FINANCING RATE IS. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RETURN THAT BACK TO THE IRS. SO WE THINK OF THE INTEREST, OUR BEST GUESS IS OUR INTEREST RATE'S ABOUT 2%. OUR EARNINGS RATE WAS ABOUT 5%. SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THREE FIFTHS OF THAT WILL BE RETURNED TO THE IRS, BUT THERE SHOULD BE ABOUT 500,000 LEFT. SO, BUT WE HIRE A CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH THAT BEFORE WE GO TO THE IRS. AND THEY DO THAT AND THEY'LL PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS. IT, THERE'S, I GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL, THAT'S KIND OF A ROUGH ESTIMATE, BUT THERE IS, IT, IT IS BASED ON TIME AND MONTHS. SO THEY TAKE ALL OUR STATEMENTS, THEY CALCULATE IT BASED OVER TIME, A MULTIPLE YEARS, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY SAY. WELL, YOU'RE GIVING US A KIND OF A WORST CASE SCENARIO. YES. YEAH. AND SO, SO WE'RE GONNA GET HALF A MILLION FROM THAT IN YOUR, IN, IN YOUR ESTIMATE ON, ON THE LOW END. AND WE HAVE THIS 5 27 THIS LEFTOVER THAT GIVES US A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE OTHER, FOR OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET, YET . SO THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSIONS COMING ABOUT THAT, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THE THINGS ARE DONE BEFORE WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY. AND, AND WE'RE THINKING WE'LL KNOW A LOT OF THIS BY JANUARY, JANUARY, FEBRUARY. YES. WE'VE GOT SOME QUOTES FROM SOME BROKERS, SO ON THE ARBITRAGE CALCULATION. SO WE'RE GONNA SEND THAT OUT. PLUS WE WANT PLEASE. UH, JEREMY, UH, UM, GILBERT ALBERT DOESN'T SAY CAPTAIN JEREMY, BUT, UH, UH, HE'S, YEAH, , UH, HE'S GOING, HE'S SAID, HEY, HIS, HIS GOAL IS TRYING TO GET DONE BY DECEMBER TO GET ALL THOSE PLS CLOSED OUT SO THAT WE CAN GET INTO THIS CLOSING OF THE BOX QUESTION. I REALIZE HOW THESE FUNDS ARE GONNA BE SPENT AS YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THESE ARE RESTRICTED FUNDS, SEMI RESTRICTED. HOW ABOUT THAT TO BE DISCLOSED AND [02:10:01] IDENTIFY ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS? YEAH. ONCE WE GET DOWN, WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. NOT TRULY RESTRICTED BECAUSE THEN WE COULDN'T USE, WE CAN'T USE, UH, IMPACT YES. TO PAY DOWN. WE'D HAVE TO AUTOMATICALLY MAKE THAT EVERY YEAR. YEP. ONCE WE GET THIS DONE, WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT'S LEFT. HERE'S HOW IT CAME ACROSS BECAUSE, UM, AND, UM, AND WE WILL SEE WHAT AVAILABLE BUDGET YOU'RE JUST FINANCING, IF ANY, HOW MANY $2 MILLION PAYMENTS HAVE WE MADE? HOW MUCH? WE STILL UP? UH, WE'VE MADE TWO, TWO YEARS WORTH. FOUR, NOT A MILLION. YEAH. MOST OF THAT'S INTEREST. YEAH. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS A 19 YEAR PAYBACK PERIOD. RIGHT? WE'RE IN YEAR FOUR. YEAR THREE. THREE. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? BOARD ACCOUNT. OKAY. SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR AUDIT. ERP. SO WE ARE HOT AND HEAVY IN OUR AUDIT SEASON, TRYING TO CLOSE OUT THE BOOKS. OUR ACCOUNTANTS ARE WORKING ON RECONCILING EVERYTHING. UH, WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE THE BOOKS CLOSED BY, UH, EARLY DECEMBER. REVIEW THAT THROUGH THE MONTH OF DECEMBER SO THAT WE FEEL GOOD WITH, UH, FINAL, UH, TRIAL BALANCES TO SEND OFF TO OUR AUDITORS. THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING IN JANUARY. WE HAVE NEW AUDITORS THIS YEAR WITH MOSS ADAMS. THEY'LL BE ONSITE FOR MOST OF JANUARY. THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR A WEEK AND THEN OFF FOR A WEEK, AND THEN BACK FOR TWO TO THREE WEEKS IN JANUARY. UM, AND IN THE INTERIM, WE'VE ALSO, UM, CONTRACTED WITH IKE BAILEY TO ASSIST US WITH SOME DOCUMENTATION OF PROCEDURES, CHECKLISTS FOR OUR YEAR END FLOWS AND ALSO OUR MONTH END FLOWS. SO WE'RE DOING THAT AS WELL. UM, AS WE'RE DOING THIS TO HOPEFULLY IMPROVE OUR PROCESS AND BE ABLE TO SHORE UP THE, UM, KIND OF HOLES WE HAVE IN PROVIDING SOME KIND OF TEMPLATES FOR THE WORK PAPERS. WE CAN DO THINGS MORE EFFICIENTLY AND CONSISTENTLY. AND IF I COULD ADD THAT I, BAILEY IS A SEPARATE UNIT, UM, FROM OUR AUDITORS THAT, UH, JODY AND KAY KAYLEY KAYLEY. SO THIS IS A SEPARATE UNIT. THEIR SPECIALTY IS GOVERNMENTAL. AND SO THEY, IT IS THE GOVERNMENTAL UNIT THAT'S, UH, WORKING WITH US TO HELP, UH, DEVELOP SOME OF THESE, UH, PROCESSES AND YEAR END CLOSING AND SOME POLICIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT'S BEEN A REALLY GREAT EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THEM. UM, THEY'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES BEFORE, SO THEY'RE REALLY HELPING US OUT GETTING, GETTING US ACROSS THE PLANE THAT WE NEED TO GET THE, THE BALL ACROSS. OKAY. UH, ERP, UH, WE DID FINISH THE RFP, UH, BACK IN MAY. WE DID, WE GOT, UH, PROPOSALS BACK. WE'VE DONE SCORING ON THAT. WE DID DEMOS IN OCTOBER, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND NEW REFERENCE CALLS, REFERENCE CALLS, IT'S TAKEN US A LITTLE LONGER. THEY EXPECTED, BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO TAKE OUR CALLS FOR AN HOUR OR MORE. SO CALLING OTHER CITIES, IT'S A BUSY TIME OF YEAR, SO WE'RE A LOT, WE'RE, WE GIVE THEM A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY 'CAUSE WE WANT TO TALK TO 'EM INSTEAD OF SAYING WE'RE TOO BUSY TO TALK TO YOU. SO THAT'S, THOSE HAVE CONFLICT GOING ON FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS. UM, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD FEEDBACK THERE. WE HAVE, UM, SOME EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING DECEMBER 10TH WHERE WE'LL, UM, MEET WITH THE DIRECTORS AND MAYOR, KIND OF GO OVER WHAT OUR FINDINGS AND PROPOSALS ARE AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL FIRST PART OF THE YEAR TO GIVE TO COUNCIL OUR RECOMMENDATION ON A PATH TO THE COURT. DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF SENSE OF, UH, WHETHER WE WERE UNDER, WE UNDERESTIMATED WHAT THIS WOULD COST THAT WE, WHAT? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY LIKE, OH DEAR, OR, OH, WE'RE GOOD. UM, THERE'S TWO PROPOSALS THAT ARE VIABLE. OKAY. ONE'S UNDER, ONE'S OVER. SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IT'S NOT MUCH OVER. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MANAGEABLE, ESPECIALLY ONES OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. BUT WE DO HAVE TWO VIABLE YES. PROPOSALS. THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. NOT ONE DEAR, BUT VIABLE. UM, THE TWO THAT, THE ONE THAT IS A SLIGHTLY OVER WAS THE HIGHEST BID. IT WAS, UM, IN THE MIDDLE, THERE WERE SOME BIDS THAT WERE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. OKAY. UM, BUT YES, WE HAVE TWO GOOD BIDS THAT WE ALREADY THANK YOU. WE HAD MORE, BUT TWO THAT WE SELECTED TO DEMO ON RESEARCH. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. SO IN WITH THE UPCOMING ERP, THAT'S GONNA BRING CULTURE CHANGE, IT'S GONNA BE CULTURE CHANGE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY. BUT WITH THAT, [02:15:01] UM, THERE ARE SOME POLICIES THAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN PLACE TO, TO MAKE OUR ERP SUCCESSFUL AS WELL AS OUR AUDIT. WE HAD SOME, WE HAD A FEW AUDIT FINDINGS RELATED TO POLICIES THAT WE NEED TO CLEAN UP. AND SO YOU, I HAVE BROOKS TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POLICY CHANGES THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD AS WELL AS I'LL FOLLOW UP AT THE END ABOUT FOR THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. SO WE WANTED TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY WE'RE EVEN PUTTING POLICIES IN PLACE AND GETTING THEM DOCUMENTED. WE HAVE MANY PRACTICES WE DO THROUGHOUT THE CITY CONSISTENTLY, BUT POLICIES ARE NOT DOCUMENTED EVERYWHERE. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE DOCUMENTED SO THAT THEY CAN BE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE CAN POINT TO FOR HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ESTABLISHING GOOD PRACTICES. UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST GETTING THAT CONTINUITY OF SERVICE AND STABILITY IN OUR ORGANIZATION. PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME AND GO AT THE STAFF LEVEL, AT OUR COUNCIL LEVEL. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S A CONTINUITY THAT CAN HAPPEN TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE WITH BEST PRACTICES, UM, AND IMPROVE OUR EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS AS WE'RE, UM, TAKING CARE OF THE CITY'S RESOURCES. UM, THE POLICIES WILL HELP US TO ESTABLISH, UM, THRESHOLDS LIMITS BOUNDARIES SO THAT IT'S CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC, TO STAFF, TO ALL THE, UM, DEPARTMENTS. WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO AND WHAT WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO, UM, VERSUS WHAT NEEDS TO COME TO OUR COUNCIL. UM, AND THEN FOR THE PUBLIC, THEY KNOW WHAT KIND OF THRESHOLDS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM AS WELL, OR WHAT THEY SHOULD BE EXPECTING TO SEE IF THEY TUNE INTO A COUNCIL MEETING. UM, AND THEN THEY CAN, AS MARK SAID, IS GONNA HELP US WITH ERP. IF WE CAN HAVE ESTABLISHED PROCEDURES AND POLICIES IN ADVANCE, THEN WE CAN, UM, FEED THOSE INTO THOSE BEST PRACTICES OF THE SYSTEM. IF WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY, WE'RE GONNA TO BE DEVELOPING THOSE AS WE BUILD AN ERP AS WELL. UM, UM, AND THEN JUST SUPER HIGH LEVEL, WHEN WE DO HAVE BOND RATINGS FOR THINGS LIKE POWER OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS POLICE FACILITY, IT'LL HELP US HAVE A BETTER BOND RATING. WE HAVE ESTABLISHED DOCUMENTED POLICIES AND GRANTS. UM, WE ARE AT HIGHER RISK ON MOST OF OUR GRANTS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DOCUMENTED POLICY. SO THAT'S OFTEN THE CHECKBOX. YOU HAVE TO MARKET EACH. AND WE APPLY FOR GRANT, LIKE DO YOU HAVE A DOCUMENTED X, Y, Z POLICY? AND IF WE DON'T, WE HAVE TO SAY NO, WHICH PUTS US AT A HIGHER RISK OF AUDIT. BUT ALSO WE MAY NOT GET THE AWARD 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GIVE THE MONEY TO LESS, UH, RISK ENTITIES. SO WE HAVE, UM, TWO ITEMS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY THAT WE'VE, UM, THAT IS MORE OF AN INTERNAL POLICY IS MY UNDERSTANDING. WE HAVE A PROPERTY THRESHOLD AND A PURCHASING THRESHOLD RIGHT NOW OF $500. SO ON OUR PROPERTY, WE TRACK PROPERTY THAT'S OVER $500. I'VE GOT A LITTLE GRAPH HERE THAT SHOWS KIND OF THE VALUES. UH, ON THE LEFT IS ITEMS UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS ON OUR PROPERTY LISTINGS. RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE ALMOST 10,000 OF THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE OVER A THOUSAND, WHICH IS ABOUT 5,000 ITEMS. BUT IT ACCOUNTS FOR 14 BILLION OF, UM, THE 18,000 IN PROPERTY ASSETS THAT ARE TRACKED. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT THRESHOLD FROM 500 TO A THOUSAND SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT LIST DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE LIST THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH. RIGHT NOW IT IS TAKING ALL THE STAFF TYPE OF, JUST TO GET THOSE ITEMS ON THE LIST. WE CAN'T NECESSARILY INVENTORY THEM AND GO OUT AND CHECK, BUT WE HAVE THOSE ITEMS STILL BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY AND WE ARE JUST TOO BUSY ADDING ITEMS TO THE LIST. SO IF WE BUMP THAT THRESHOLD UP TO A THOUSAND, IT'S A MORE MANAGEABLE LIST THAT WE CAN GO OUT AND DO SAMPLING OF A FEW 50 TO HUNDRED EVERY MONTH AND COVER, GET SOME GOOD COVERAGE OF THAT ACTUAL INVENTORY. UM, THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, OUR PURCHASING, WE KIND OF CORRELATE IF WE INCREASE OUR PURCHASING THRESHOLD TO A THOUSAND VERSUS 500 OF WHAT HAS TO HAVE PRIOR APPROVAL FOR OUR STAFF. THAT WILL, IF YOU SEE THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED BOX, THOSE ITEMS UNDER A THOUSAND OF THE POS WE'VE ISSUED IN THIS LAST YEAR, WE ISSUED ABOUT 4,000. UM, 1400, ALMOST 1500 OF THOSE ARE UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH IS ABOUT 40% OF OUR WORK. BUT IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, THE AMOUNT THAT'S LESS ABOUT A HALF A MILLION OF OUR 70 WHERE THOSE ITEMS OVER A THOUSAND ACCOUNT FOR 113 MILLION OF OUR SPENDING. SO AGAIN, IT'S A WAY TO KIND OF ESTABLISH OUR RESOURCES AND FOCUS THEM TO THOSE MORE VALUE ADDED AREAS. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE MORE OF THE CITY POLICY. IF THE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO BE MORE STRICT ON WHAT THRESHOLD THEY SAY HAS TO HAVE APPROVAL, DEPARTMENTS CAN DO THAT. BUT AT THE CITY LEVEL, WE, WE KEEP THAT AT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WHAT'S THE NEW LIKE, SO LIKE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT BUDGET, DO THEY HAVE A TRACK PROPERTY THRESHOLD? BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU CAN SELL WITHOUT GOING TO THEM IS GOING FROM FIVE TO 10? OR IS IT GOING FROM THAT'S GENERALLY THE CAPITAL THRESHOLD. THIS IS JUST OUR PROPERTY. THAT'S NOT EVEN OUR CAPITAL PROPERTY. OUR CAPITAL THRESHOLD IS AT 10,000 CURRENTLY. BUT EVERYTHING [02:20:01] THAT'S THE 500 TO 10,000 IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS 19 18,000 ITEMS. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THIS WAS ADJUSTED? UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE YEAR, BUT DAVID SPEND WAS ON CANCEL . SO THAT'S SO LONG AGO. IT WENT FROM A HUNDRED TO $500. SO THAT WAS ABOUT 2016. IT WAS TIME 2000. UM, IT'S TIME. SO I JUST, I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD IT WHEN YOU SAID IT, BUT NOW I'M JUST SECOND GUESSING. SO BECAUSE IT'S UNDER A THOUSAND, WE HAD 9,652 THINGS THAT WE'RE TRACKING. BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT GOES TO A THOUSAND? WHAT IS THAT? SO WE HAVE ALMOST 15,000 ITEMS. 9,000 WOULD GO AWAY. OH. WE ONLY HAVE 5,000 LEFT TO CONTINUE TRACKING. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE YELLOW, THE TWO YELLOW BOXES FOR THE THOUSAND AND THEN THIS. OKAY. AND THEN THE NOT, SO THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT FINANCE WON'T CHECK THOSE. THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. AND THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFIC IN NATURE THAT WE WOULD ALWAYS TRACK. AND THEN, AND THOSE DEPARTMENTS AREN'T ALREADY DOING THAT. A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE A FIREARM. POLICE DEPARTMENTS ALREADY DOING THAT. THEY ALREADY LAB. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THAT 'CAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE THOSE. BUT, UM, OKAY. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MANAGE OUR RESOURCES AND THIS IS ONE AREA THAT IS BOGGING US DOWN AND IT'S ARBITRARY SO WE CAN CHOOSE. YES. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. IS THERE ANY STATE LAW TO GUIDE THIS? THAT WE'RE, ARE WE OPERATING UNDER THAT OR IS THERE NO STATE LAW TO GUIDE IT? I DO NOT KNOW OF ANY STATE LAW THAT TALKS ABOUT TRACKING. YOU WOULD'VE BEEN TRAINED ON IT IF THERE WERE, SO YEAH. OKAY. THIS, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH APPROVAL. WHO, WHO APPROVES WHAT EXPENDITURES TRACKING THIS. A TRACKING, BUT IT TRIGGERS AN APPROVAL CHANGE. RIGHT NOW PCARD PURCHASE UNDER $500 DOESN'T HAVE A APPROVAL METHOD. SO WE WILL, THIS TRIGGERS ANOTHER CHANGE, WHICH WE'LL BRING IT TO IN A SECOND. BUT THAT CHANGE WAS ALREADY COMING BECAUSE THE NEW ERP SYSTEMS DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. WE OPERATE IN A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, OLD FASHIONED KIND OF WAY. AND WE'RE TRYING TO MODERNIZE OUR PROCESSES. SO, UM, ARE YOU LOOKING TO BRING, UM, UH, ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS FORWARD OR NO, BECAUSE THESE WERE NOT, THEY WERE NOT APPROVED LAST TIME. IT'S ALWAYS SUSPENDED INTERNAL PRACTICE. WE JUST WANT TO GET THE, UM, LAST TIME. WE WANNA MAKE SURE COUNCIL'S AWARE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CHANGING SO THAT THE CASE THERE WAS ANY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT THIS. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE, UH, ITEM COUNCIL DIRECTION TO STAFF THEN. IS IT, IS THE SENSE THAT YOU'RE FINE WITH THIS DIRECTION AND THEREFORE YOU GUYS WILL TAKE THE BALL AND RUN WITH IT RIGHT NOW AND MAKING THAT DECISION RIGHT HERE IN THIS MEETING? OR IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, MORE TO COME? THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME AND WE'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN ONE SECOND. OKAY. WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT POLICIES, UM, AND I'LL JUST, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD IS A PURCHASING POLICY WITHIN THAT COMES INTO THIS AS WELL. PART OF THIS'LL COVER, UH, TAGGED ASSETS. BUT ONE OF THE AUDIT FINDINGS THAT WE HAD WAS THAT OUR PURCHASING POLICY WAS OUTDATED AND IT DIDN'T HAVE THE NEW, UM, LANGUAGE REQUIRED FOR SINGLE AUDIT. AND SO, UH, WE DECIDED THAT, UM, AT THIS POINT, IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO SIT DOWN AND START DRAFTING POLICIES. SO WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH I BAILEY TO HELP US DRAFT POLICIES. THOSE WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL. SO YES, AS WE GET POLICIES DRAFTED, THEY'LL BE COMING TO COUNCIL. I MEAN, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND PAM WAS THE DIRECTORS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD BEFORE WE COME TO COUNCIL. BUT YET THERE WILL BE A PROCESS, UH, THE END PROCESS WILL BE COUNCIL APPROVED POLICIES. NOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF POLICIES, UM, THAT ARE APPROVED, BUT, UM, EVERY DEPARTMENT MAY HAVE A FEW. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A VERY FORMAL SET OF POLICIES AS COMPARED TO THE INFORMAL PRACTICES THE DEPARTMENT MAY USE. YEAH. ALL THE POLICIES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, UH, I IDEALLY HELP US DRAFT THE BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL. HOWEVER, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALL NEED TO BE PURCHASING. IT DOES, IT HAS TO HAVE A COUNCIL APPROVAL BEFORE OUR GRANTING APPLICATIONS AND SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE'LL WORK WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND, AND MAYOR OFFICE TO, AND I BELIEVE MIKE, WE'VE ALWAYS ADOPTED POLICY BY RESOLUTION. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. AND SINCE THESE ARE FINANCIAL POLICIES, THAT'S WHY ORGANIZATIONALLY WE KIND OF NEED EVERYTHING FROM THE TOP DOWN TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO IT'S A GOOD WAY TO MAKE SURE THE ORGANIZATION [02:25:01] KNOWS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FINANCIALLY, SO WE CAN HOLD EVERYONE TO THAT. WELL, AND IT'S, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WHEN IT, UH, SOMETHING COMES OUT OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, SOME WILL STILL SAY, WELL, COUNCIL'S BOSS. AND, UH, AND WHEN IT COMES OUT OF PAM'S OFFICE, SOME WILL SAY, WELL, YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. AND SO IT REALLY HELPS TO HAVE THIS UNIFORM ADOPTION, UM, FOR SOME OF THESE RULES IN ORDER WHEN MONEY IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YEAH, IT JUST, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE PURPOSE. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO ALSO REITERATE THIS IS NOT, AND WE'RE NOT HIRING CONSULTANTS TO COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT A POLICY IS GONNA BE. IT IS GONNA BE A COLLABORATION WITH BETWEEN FINANCE DIRECTORS, MAYOR'S, OFFICE, AND COUNCIL. SO THE ONES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, THE ONES WHERE WE THOUGHT WE COULD TACKLE THIS YEAR, PROCUREMENT, CASH GRANTS, TRAVEL, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THOSE ARE THE ONES WE KIND OF OUTLINED WITH. I IDEALLY LEAGUE THAT WE COULD PROBABLY GET DOWN WITHIN A YEAR, UM, THAT MAY OR UPPER FLOW TO BE ON OUR RESOURCES AND TIME TO GET THOSE THINGS REVIEWED AND WORK WITH THE PAM AND THE DIRECTORS AND THE MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY GREAT ABOUT USING I BAILEY IS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ON THIS VERY THING. SO WHAT IT DOES IS, AS BROOKS HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, IT FREES UP OUR STAFF AND IT PROVIDES EFFICIENCY, CONSISTENCY, CONSISTENCY. AND IT ALSO PROVIDES A REALLY, UH, A STRENGTH BUILDING PROCESS FOR OUR SINGLE AUDITS, FOR OUR GRANTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, AND WE'RE REALLY FORTUNATE THAT, UH, THERE IS ACTUALLY A UNIT LIKE THIS THAT CAN HELP US BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING OF OUR SIZE. RATHER US, RATHER THAN OUR TEAM OR OUR STAFF HAVING TO GO OUT AND DO THE RESEARCH AND TRY AND PUT DRAFTS TOGETHER. THIS IS GONNA BE A REALLY GREAT, UH, PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH, UM, IBM, THIS GOVERNMENTAL UNIT. AND JUST TO, TO SORT OF CLARIFY, OR NOT CLARIFY, BUT JUST ADD TO WHAT MARKET SAID. UM, WE WILL, UH, FIRST IT'LL START WITH CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN OUR TEAM AND I BAILEY. AND ONCE THEY, UH, LAND ON WHAT THEY THINK IS THE RIGHT FIT, BRIAN FALLS, THEN IT'LL GO PROBABLY AT THAT POINT START GOING TO, UM, DIRECTORS AND DIRECTORS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LIVE UNDER THESE RULES FIRST AND FOREMOST. UM, IT'LL BE SOCIALIZED AMONG THEM QUITE A BIT. UM, AND PROBABLY SOME PUSHBACK OR QUESTIONS, RIGHT. AND THAT TAKES A FEW WEEKS AT LEAST. AND THEN AFTER THAT, UM, IT'LL COME TO ME AND I'LL ASK MY, UM, MAN ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW, TYPE QUESTIONS. NOT, NOT TECHNICAL ONES, BUT JUST TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON IT. AND ONCE WE EV ALL OF THOSE ENTITIES ALL FEEL LIKE THEY CAN WRAP THEIR ARMS AROUND IT, THEN IT WILL COME TO YOU, UM, FOR THE LAST BIT OF REVIEW. BUT WHAT YOU'LL BE GETTING WILL BE SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN VETTED FROM ALL OF THE CITY LEADERS THAT BY THE TIME IT COMES ALL, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT'S LEADERS BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU. THAT'S WHAT I FORESEE. IS THAT WHAT YOU FORESEE, PAM? YEP. SO IT'LL COME TO US AS KIND OF A BIG PACKAGE INSTEAD OF, OH, HERE'S CASH, IT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'LL SEE IT AS A PACKAGE. OH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. WE'LL PROBABLY DO ONE AT A TIME. OKAY. WE COULD PROBABLY DO A COUPLE AT TIME, BUT PURCHASING IS A BIG ONE, SO THAT'LL COME BY ITSELF. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE THEM BASED ON RISK AS WELL. LIKE WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT COULD HAPPEN SO THAT WE CAN GET THOSE DOCUMENTED IN PLACE FIRST. PURCHASING HAS LOT OF POLITICS TOO, SO. OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION TODAY. I DID NOT STICK TO AN HOUR. I APOLOGIZE, BUT PRETTY CLOSE. ALRIGHT. UM, LET'S SAY THAT THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS 'CAUSE WE'RE A HALF HOUR BEHIND ON OUR, ON OUR, UH, SIX 30 ENDING. SO WE'RE NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ENDING AT SEVEN. SO LET'S KEEP GOING. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, LET'S TAKE THOSE OFFLINE, UM, WITH, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE FINANCE TEAM. UM, CHANCES ARE THAT IF YOU HAVE IT, OTHERS WILL WANT THAT SAME ANSWER TOO. SO I WOULD SUGGEST SENDING IT TO PAM AND THEN SHE COULD ANSWER OR GET THE ANSWERS MORE BROADLY DISSEMINATED. UM, ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM, UH, HAS TO DO WITH, UH, MANAGEMENT OF THE JOINT, UH, FUEL FACILITY THAT WE HAVE WITH THE, UH, COUNTY. I THINK THAT BEFORE WE GO ON TO IT, UM, LET'S TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND TRY TO COME BACK AT 35, 36, 37 AFTER THE HOUR. THANK YOU. [Municipal Services, Legal and Mayors Office] ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON THEN TO THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES, UH, LEGAL AND MAYOR'S OFFICE PRESENTATION OF, UM, AN AMENDMENT TO THE JOINT FUEL FACILITY AGREEMENT. UM, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAS INVOLVED. I DON'T, MARGARET WERE YOU ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THIS? I THINK IT WAS THE FINAL STAGES OF KIND OF DOING THE REVIEW AND THEN KIND OF, SO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAD A LOT LESS TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL CONTENT, BUT MORE PROCESS. SO GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. SO THIS AGREEMENT WAS ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED, UH, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IS OVER 14 YEARS OLD. WE, WE ENTERED INTO THIS AGREEMENT BACK IN JULY [02:30:01] OF 2010. AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IN THE PROCESS OF JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE INTENTION WAS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO MEMORIALIZE? BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S HAPPENED IN 14 YEARS. AND SO, UH, RECRUITED OUR, OUR CITY ATTORNEY HERES AND AWESOME JOB OF WORKING WITH, UM, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. AND HE'S GONNA GO OVER SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS OF IT AND THEN I'LL JUMP IN WHERE YOU COULD DO, WHICH HE MIGHT BE GOOD TO. UM, AND AT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE MIGHT BE AS FAR AS DETAILED QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH BONNEVILLE COUNTY. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UM, THE AGREEMENT, UH, COVERS HOW THE CITY AND COUNTY ARE GONNA MANAGE A FUEL FACILITY. IT'S A GAS STATION, ESSENTIALLY, UH, LOCATED, WE'RE THE EQUIPMENT SHOP, UH, AND, UH, WE'RE, THE INITIAL TERM WAS FOR 30 YEARS AND WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY, UH, THROUGH THAT. AND, UH, WE NEEDED A LITTLE BIT OF MARRIAGE THERAPY, LIKE EVERY GOOD MARRIAGE DOES ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH A MARRIAGE, YOU NEED TO GET A TUNE UP THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE. AND SO WE WERE RUNNING INTO SOME PROBLEMS. UH, THERE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN, IN KIND OF WHAT THE PARTIES WANTED TO, TO SEE THERE. SO THAT STARTED A FEW CONVERSATIONS, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE BUDGET TIME AND THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL GAVE STAFF, UM, WAS TO GO BACK AND VISIT WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED. ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNTY WANTED TO SEE WAS AN EXPANSION OF THE FUEL FACILITY AND IMPROVEMENTS THERE THAT HADN'T BEEN MADE. PRIMARILY WE WANTED TO SEE A CANOPY IMPROVEMENT, SO THERE'D BE OVER THE FUEL PUMPS, UH, LIKE WHEN YOU WOULD GO TO A GAS STATION THAT HAS A NICE ROOF OVER THE FUEL PUMPS. THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THE COUNTY WANTED TO SEE CONSTRUCTED. AND THEY ALSO WANTED TO SEE AN EXPANSION, UH, IN THE TOTAL CAPACITY OF FUEL THAT COULD BE KEPT AT THE FUEL, AT THE FUEL STATION. AND, UH, SO WE ENTERED INTO JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AND THE AGREEMENT TODAY THAT WE PRESENTING IS, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE, WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA WORK, UH, FOR THE COUNTY AND, UH, FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO TOPICS. IT WILL ALSO ADDRESS, UH, ONE OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS WE WILL ADDRESS, UH, SOME EMERGENCY FUEL RESERVE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAINTAINED AT THE FUEL FACILITY AT ALL TIMES SO THAT IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE FUEL, UH, IN ORDER TO RESPOND TO THAT EMERGENCY. AND THEN, UM, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO BIG THINGS. THERE'S A NUMBER OF SMALL CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE JUST TO TIGHTEN UP THE RELATIONSHIP, UH, A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PARTIES DESIGNATE A PERSON WHO WILL BE THE PRIMARY CONTACT AND, UM, A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY MEET, UH, ON, UH, REGULARLY, I THINK IT'S MONTHLY. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN JUST SOME SMALL, UH, TEXTUAL CLEANUPS, UH, THAT GO THROUGHOUT THE AGREEMENT. AND SO I HAVE EMAILED THIS OUT, UH, KNOWING THAT IT WAS KIND OF A COMPLEX DOCUMENT AND IT'S KIND OF A COMPLEX HISTORY TO SEE, UH, WHAT QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. IF THIS AGREEMENT, UH, AMENDMENT IS APPROVED, IT WILL EXTEND THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT FOR ANOTHER 15 YEARS. SO INSTEAD OF EXPIRING IN 2040, THE AGREEMENT WOULD NOW EXPIRE IN 2055 AND IT WOULD HAVE AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR, UH, 15 YEAR PERIOD. SO EVERY 15 YEARS AFTER THAT IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY RENEW THE, THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF THIS AGREEMENT THAT AREN'T CHANGING THE CURRENT RELATIONSHIP. FOR EXAMPLE, THE PARTIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME FOR CONVENIENCE. IF THE AGREEMENTS TERMINATED FOR CONVENIENCE, THERE ARE, UH, SOME WRAP UP PROCEDURES THAT WILL INVOLVE A PAYOUT TO THE COUNTY. BUT THOSE WRAP UP PROCEDURES ARE NOT DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES THAT WERE INTACT IN THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT. IT, IT STILL REQUIRED AN APPRAISAL AND, UH, PAYOUT OF HALF OF THE VALUE OF THAT, UH, APPRAISED VALUE TO THE COUNTY. AND THEN, UH, THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE ELECTION OF WHETHER IT CONTINUE USING THE FIELD FACILITY OR TO, UH, DECOMMISSION IT AND DO SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP. IF THE CITY ELECTS TO CONTINUE TO USE IT, UH, THEN THE CITY WOULD SHOULDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP WHENEVER IT WRAPS UP, WHICH COULD BE A HUNDRED YEARS DOWN THE LINE. OR IF YOU WRAP UP IMMEDIATELY, THEN THE COUNTY WOULD BE PARTICIPATING IN THAT FEATURE OF THE AGREEMENT IS PRESENT IN THE ORIGINAL AND CURRENT AGREEMENT AND WOULDN'T CHANGE. SO THAT, THAT'S NOT CHANGING, BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT FEATURE OF THE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS WHY I'M HIGHLIGHTING IT FOR YOU. [02:35:01] SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. SOME OF THIS IS OLD CROWN, SOME OF IT'S NEW. UM, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANYTHING YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT COUNCILLOR FREEMAN. I'M JUST CURIOUS, DOES THE COUNTY GET FUEL ANYWHERE ELSE BESIDES THIS FACILITY? THEY MUST, BECAUSE IT'S A BIG COUNTY, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE ALL THE WAY INTO FALLS TO FILL UP A TRUCK AND THEN DRIVE IT BACK TO SWAN VALLEY OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW THAT DO YOU PAM? THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE A FUEL TRUCK, BUT I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THEY GET THEIR FUEL. UM, I DO KNOW THAT THEY RELY PRETTY HEAVILY THOUGH ON THEIR OPERATIONS AT OUR FUEL, UH, FROM OUR FUEL, FROM OUR CO-JOINED JOINT FUEL FACILITY. RIGHT. SO WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE WE, IS IT, IS IT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY GALLONS OR PERCENTAGE OF THE GALLON EACH THAT'S PUMPED THERE FOR CITY VEHICLES AND HOW MUCH IS FOR THE, WHEN WE DID AN ANALYSIS BACK IN THE SUMMER, IT WAS, IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 40, ALMOST 40% THAT THE COUNTY WAS USING THE FEW DISPENSERS. SO WE WE'RE QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN WE'RE YEAH, WE, WE, WE DO THE, THE HIGHER AMOUNT OF VOLUME OUT AT THE, AT THE FUELERS IT SEEMS LIKE AS A, TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A REAL MORE OF AN ADVANTAGE TO US THAN IT IS TO THEM BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT I, I ASSUME THEY, IF THEY HAVE A TRUCK UP IN PALISADES THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE IT ALL THE WAY BACK HERE TO FILL IT UP. THEY'RE GONNA BUY FUEL AT THE HUSKY UP THERE AND PALISADES, RIGHT. AND THEN, AND HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH THEM INSTEAD OF USING THIS FUEL FACILITY. SO, AND THAT MAY BE, I'M JUST NOT SURE. I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THAT. OKAY. UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IN THE CONTRACT ITSELF, IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING TO PROTECT US? IS IT, ARE THE EXPENSES CAPPED SOMEHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO WE DON'T GET STUCK WITH A, WITH A REPAIR BILL OR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO THE PART PART OF THE AGREEMENT IS THAT, AND THIS IS TRUE CURRENTLY, IS THAT FOR EVERY GALLON OF FUEL THAT THE COUNTY, UH, DISPENSES OUT OF THE FACILITY, THEY PAY THE CITY 6 CENTS UHHUH, THAT SIX SENSE GOES TO MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AND, AND CONNECT CELL. WE JUST KEEP IT FOR RAINY DAY. YEAH. SO WE DO THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF THERE IS A CAPITAL EXPENSE THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR AT THE FUEL FACILITY THAT'S ABOVE $5,000, THE PARTIES GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT IT. AND IF THE, UH, BOTH GOVERNING BOARDS APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE, THEN THEY SHARE THAT EXPENDITURE JOINTLY. THERE IS SOME, UH, CONTROLS ON THERE, ON, ON HOW THAT IS. SO THAT THE, THE IDEA BEING THAT THE MANAGING ENERGY, WHICH MIGHT BE THE COUNTY IF, UH, WE EVER GET THERE, UM, IT, IT CAN GO BACK AND FORTH BASED OFF OF HOW MUCH SOMEBODY WANTS TO, WHAT, WHAT TRIGGERS A TRANSFER IN MANAGEMENT IS A CHANGE IN THAT 6 CENT FEE. SO IF THE CITY PROPOSES TO THE COUNTY TO CHANGE THE 6 CENT FEE, THE COUNTY HAS CURRENTLY A CHOICE OF EITHER, UH, ACCEPTING THAT CHANGE AND LETTING THE CITY CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT FOR MORE MONEY OR, UH, TO TAKE OVER MANAGEMENT ITSELF. AND UNDER THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED, IT WOULD GIVE THE COUNTY A THIRD OPTION, WHICH WOULD BE TO REJECT THE NUMBER AND OFFER THEIR OWN NUMBER. RIGHT? THEY NEGOTIATE, YEAH. OR TO NEGOTIATE AROUND IT. SO THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE COUNTY COULD SAY, WE THINK WE COULD DO IT FOR 6 CENTS, AND THEY WOULD COME OVER AND TAKE OVER AND THEN THE CITY WOULD PAY 6 CENTS EVERY GALLON. UH, AND THE COUNTY WOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP UP THE UPKEEP. OKAY. UM, I HAVE ONE TYPO FOR YOU, . YEAH, SURE. UM, UNDER, UH, NUMBER FOUR, OPERATING AND MANAGEMENT OF FIELD FACILITY. IN THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH IT SAYS, SUCH MANAGEMENT SERVICES SHALL BE COMPROMISED OF THE FOLLOWING SERVICES CITYUM POST. VERY GOOD. I I I'M SURE YOUR, YOUR SPELL CHECKER. WE, WE DID MISS THAT ONE. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANCIS TRIED TO SAVE ME THE EMBARRASSMENT BY BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION ALREADY, SO WE HAVE FIXED IT. OH, I, I READ IT OUT LOUD. NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD. SO IF, IF YOU, BY THE WAY, UH, IF YOU CATCH IT, I THOUGHT I GOT TY. YEAH, IF YOU CATCH IT TYPO, UM, BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION AND I, I, UH, I'LL BE ASHAMED, BUT WE'LL GET IT FIXED. BE FIXED FOR THE CITY. SO, SO I, AND I I, SO WE HAVE CAUGHT THAT ONE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. DARN IT. WE'RE AWARE OF THAT ONE CAN'T, AND WE HAVE, I CAN'T TAKE ONE OVER CAN'T ONE, JIM, IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT'S JIM GOTTA COMPETE WITH, YOU'LL WIN WITH ME. CHRIS, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF YOU, IF IF YOU SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH, WITH THIS, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, I MEAN, YOU, YOUR DEPARTMENT PROBABLY USES MORE FUEL THAN ANYBODY IN THE, IN THE CITY. SO YEAH, IT REALLY HASN'T BEEN A CONCERN TO US AS FAR AS EVEN THE EMERGENCY LEVEL. AND YOU THINK THAT, YOU THINK THAT AMOUNTS OR, OR YOU [02:40:01] KNOW, THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF FIELD THAT WE HAVE IN RESERVE. YEAH, I THINK AS, AS WE BOTH RECOGNIZE THE COUNTY AND CITY'S GROWING, RIGHT, IT, IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AND WORK TO WHAT TOGETHER TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. OKAY. AND IT WAS INTERESTING THOUGH, AS THE COUNTY LOOKED AT THEIR OWN ANALYSIS, WHETHER THEY WOULD STAND THAT SERVICE UP ON THEIR OWN AND CAME BACK. I THINK THAT'S MEANINGFUL IN THAT IT WAS PROBABLY THEY FOUND THAT IT WAS CHEAPER. UH, I ASSUME AS THEY MADE THAT DECISION TO COME BACK TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS. SO, OKAY. I MEAN, IS THERE A, IS THERE SOME SORT OF FORMULA THAT WE SAID WE WANT TO HAVE 20 DAYS ON HAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS OUR AVERAGE DAILY USE, SO WE WANT HAVE AN EXTRA 20 DAYS ON HAND OR, WELL, EVERYTHING IS ELECTRONIC SO THAT, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THIS SYSTEM. UM, AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE DO MONITOR THE LEVELS, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE GET FUEL DELIVERED ONCE A WEEK. SO WE GO OUT FOR QUOTES EVERY WEEK, UH, WITH THE LOCAL, UH, PETROLEUM, UH, VENDORS IN TOWN. AND WE GET VERY COMPETITIVE, VERY COMPETITIVE, UH, BIDS IF YOU WILL, QUOTES IF YOU WILL. AND WE FILL UP EVERY WEEK. AND SO WE ARE TOPPED OFF EVERY WEEK. I MEAN, BUT I'M KIND OF GOING TOWARDS THE, THE SCORCHED EARTH KIND OF A IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND WE COULDN'T GET FUEL AT ALL FROM ANYBODY, HOW LONG WOULD THIS AMOUNT OF FUEL LAST US? AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PROVISIONS I THINK THE COUNTY TRIED TO ORCHESTRATE IN THIS. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE SOME NUMBERS THAT, THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE AS PART OF THAT. YEAH, I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO COMPLETELY EMPTY OUR FACILITY. THE, THE IDEA IS TO, UH, DOUBLE OUR UN UNLOADED GASOLINE CAPACITY. RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT 20,000 GALLONS OF UNLOADED FUEL. WE, THE, THIS AGREEMENT WOULD ADD ANOTHER, UH, 20, WE HAVE 40, AND THEN ON OUR, UH, DIESEL, IT WOULD ADD 40,000 GALLONS. I THINK OUR CURRENT, UH, CAPACITY IS 40, SO IT WOULD DOUBLE IT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO COMPLETELY GO THROUGH THAT, BUT THE AGREEMENT WOULD SAY THAT THE RESERVE FUEL WOULD, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN HALF OF THE CAPACITY AT ALL TIMES. SO HALF OF THE CAPACITY OF THE FUEL, UH, FACILITY WOULD ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE FOR RESERVE. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANALYSIS THE COUNTY WENT THROUGH TO DETERMINE THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR AN EMERGENCY, BUT THAT WOULD CARRY US THROUGH FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME. EVEN, UH, EVEN IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, IF WE FOLLOW PROJECTED GROWTH, WE WOULD BE OKAY AS A, IT IS JUST A ANECDOTALLY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEVER LETS THE FIRE TRUCK GET BELOW A HALF, RIGHT? SO THAT IF THEY'RE OUT ON A PUMPING ON A FIRE ALL NIGHT, THEY ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH FIELD THAT THE TRUCK DOESN'T RUN OUT OF FIELD OR IN BECAUSE THAT'S ENOUGH TO PUMP ALL NIGHT. AND THIS FOLLOWS SOME OF THAT PHILOSOPHY. UM, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, WHICH FIREFIGHTER WALKER? WALKER, COMMISSIONER WALKER. HE, HE BROUGHT THAT UP. IT'S PART OF HIS PHILOSOPHY. SO HE'S LOOKING AT IT LIKE A FIREFIGHTER. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, UM, OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOT GET TOO SPECIFIC ABOUT EMERGENCY FUEL RESERVES, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANYBODY TOO MUCH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DO ANYTHING. BUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, DIRECT YOU TO GET THOSE ANSWERS ON SPECIFICS OFFLINE. OKAY. SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I MADE THE COMMENT THAT IT'S ALL ELECTRONIC. UM, AND, UH, WE DO HAVE A FANTASTIC, UH, FLEET MAINTENANCE SUPERINTENDENT THAT SET A STAND AND HE KEEPS A VERY CLOSE EYE ON, ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. BUT, UH, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS CAN HAPPEN. UH, I REMEMBER, UH, WHERE WHEN I LIVED IN ARIZONA, THEY HAD A LINE BREAK, A FUEL LINE BREAK, AND WE WERE ALL, SOME OF US MORE, UM, EFFICIENT CARS WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL, GOING BACK AND FORTH TO WORK, BUT SOME OF THE ONES, UM, WE'RE NOT DOING SO WELL WITH THE BIGGER, UH, CAPACITY VEHICLES THAT REQUIRE A LOT MORE FUEL. SO WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY, UH, TRYING TO FIND SOME FUEL JUST BECAUSE OF A SIMPLE LINE BREAK BETWEEN, I THINK IT WAS BETWEEN LIKE PHOENIX AND, UH, PHOENIX AND TUCSON AREA OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. BUT, UH, IT, IT CAN HAPPEN. AND SO, UH, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE ON IT. AND I ALSO WANNA SAY, AND I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE, BUT, UH, UH, CHIEF NELSON IS ALSO IN SUPPORT OF COMMISSIONER WALKER'S INTEREST IN GETTING ADDITIONAL FUEL STORAGE. UM, HE'S VERY, UH, COMPLIMENT OF THAT, UH, PLAN AS WELL. COUNCILOR, UH, MARSHON, JUST A, JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS. ONE, THE SIXTH SENSE. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME TALK SOME MONTHS AGO ABOUT RAISING THAT. IS THERE ANY EXPECTATION ON OUR PART THAT THAT NUMBER WOULD CHANGE ANYTIME SOON? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. UM, BASED ON SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AND SOME CALCULATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, BUT I WILL NOTE THAT IT'S BEEN 6 CENTS SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE AGREEMENT OF 2010. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THAT AND, UM, KIND OF LOOKED AT THE FORMULA AND THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING. WE WERE ABLE TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH THE COUNTY'S USING AND HOW MUCH THE CITY'S USING. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, AFTER [02:45:01] SOME DISCUSSIONS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, WE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LEAVE IT AT 6 CENTS FOR NOW, UM, FOR A COUPLE MORE YEARS. THE SECOND QUESTION I WAS READING IN THERE, AND IT WAS TALKING ABOUT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND THAT WE GOT A BILL, WE PAY THE BILL AND WE SENT THE COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INVOICE FOR THAT. BUT THAN THAT, THAT CONCEPT GETS USED MULTIPLE TIMES FOR OTHER THINGS. IT NEVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT TIMEFRAME THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT BILL. SO THAT WOULD BE GOVERNED UNDER PARAGRAPH 11 SO THAT IT IS A PARAGRAPH ELEVEN'S PAYMENT FOR ALL BILLINGS, INVOICES, VOUCHERS, OR ADVANCES REQUIRED OR PERMITTED ON A DISAGREEMENT SHALL BE DUE AND PAYABLE WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER DELIVERY OF SUCH BILLINGS. SO IT, IT, IT, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THAT CONCEPT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE AGREEMENT, BUT EVERY, ANYTHING THAT'S OWED OR NOT OWED FOR THIS HAS THAT 30 DAY, UH, TIME PAYER. AND IF IT, IF IT ISN'T PAID WITHIN 30 DAYS, THERE'S A LINK FEE THAT IS, UH, 12%. IT'S JUST TAX ON. THANK YOU, FRANCIS. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION THIS MORNING, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY. SO THIS IS 4 3, 3 ON PAGE SIX OF THE AGREEMENT. IN THE EVENT THE NON MANAGING ENTITY FAILS TO GIVE SUCH WRITTEN NOTICE OF ACCEPTANCE OR REJECTION, THEN SUCH PROPOSED MANAGEMENT FEE SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE AUTOMATICALLY ON OCTOBER 30TH OF THE NEXT SECEDING FISCAL FISCAL YEAR. SO IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THE INCREASE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY A WHOLE YEAR GOES BY BEFORE IT COMES BACK UP. SO THEY JUST SAY, I'M, YOU'RE CHANGING THE 7 CENTS. I WAITED A WHOLE YEAR BEFORE THAT. IS THAT WHAT THAT'S SAYING? NO, UH, THEY, SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO, TO LOOK AT THIS, HOW THIS COULD GO. SO THE, THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, UM, ON OR BEFORE, UH, JUNE 1ST THE MANAGING ENTITY, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS THE CITY THAT WANTS TO CHANGE THE FEE, HAS TO GIVE NOTICE TO THE OTHER PARTY THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE FEE. AND, UH, THAT FEE NOTICE WOULD BE TO TAKE EFFECT DURING THE NEXT SUCCEEDING FISCAL YEAR. SO IT WOULDN'T TAKE EFFECT THAT IN OCTOBER WOULD TAKE EFFECT THE NEXT OCTOBER. SO THAT IS ALMOST LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF AWAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT LANGUAGE THAT YOU READ THERE, IF THAT, IF THEY DON'T RESPOND, WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, IF THE NON MANAGING ENTITY FAILS TO GIVE NOTICE OF ACCEPTANCE OR REJECTION, THEN IT WILL TAKE EFFECT THAT, SO THE IDEA HERE BEING THAT IF IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY, IF, IF PAM SENDS A NOTICE SAYING, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT RAISING IT TO 7 CENTS, IT'S JUNE 1ST, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK, AND THEN WE HEAR NOTHING FROM THE OTHER SIDE. IF THEY DON'T MAKE THAT DECISION, UH, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS AUTOMATICALLY THAT GETS PUT IN PLACE ALONG THE SAME TIMELINE AS IF THE COUNTY HAD ACCEPTED THE INCREASE. SO SILENCE WOULD BE ACCEPTANCE IN, UH, 18 MONTHS. IN 18 MONTHS. SO, AND, AND THERE ISN'T A WAY TO MAKE THAT FEE GO UP FASTER THAN 18 MONTHS. THAT THAT'S TRUE UNDER THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF THE AGREEMENT. THE IDEA IS THAT YOU GIVE THEM TIME TO BUDGET AND THEN THEY HAVE A YEAR TO KIND OF ANTICIPATE THAT BUDGET INCREASE. SO THEN WHY, WHY DON'T WE MAKE IT OCTOBER 1ST INSTEAD OF OCTOBER 30TH? WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. AND SO I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHY IT SAYS OCTOBER 30TH, BUT IF, IF WHAT COUNCIL WOULD REFER AS THAT FEE CHANGE TAKE EFFECT ON OCTOBER 1ST, ON THE FIRST OF THAT FISCAL YEAR, UH, WE CAN DO THAT. AND I'LL JUST SEND THAT BACK TO COUNTY SAYING THAT'S A CHANGE THAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE. THAT'S THE FISCAL YEAR FROM BOTH SIDES. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M THINKING MAYBE A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION OF THAT IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT WITH WITH THE FUEL THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAYING FOR FUEL THAT'S BEEN BOUGHT AT THE, AT THE OTHER RATE, I GUESS FOR A WHILE. RIGHT? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? WELL, IT JUST SAYS IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE ON OCTOBER. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING WHY THERE'S A, SOME LONG LAG THOUGH. I'M JUST SAYING THAT OH YEAH. OKAY. THAT MAYBE YOU GOTTA GET USE UP THE FUEL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PURCHASED UNDER THE UNFOLD AGREEMENT. IT WAS ALSO REQUESTED FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES AND PLANNING AHEAD WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAD ABOUT SOME MORE OF THE ADVANCED NOTICE YEAH. TO ALLOW FOR BUDGET PLANNING. OKAY. OKAY, THANKS. SO IS THAT A DIRECTIVE FROM COUNCIL TO CHANGE IT TO OCTOBER ONE OR IS IT THE WILL OF COUNCIL OR THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL NOW TO LEAVE IT AT OCTOBER 30TH? I LIKE OCTOBER ONE. I MEAN, IF IT WAS FOR THE BUDGETING, IT'S EASIER THAN IT'S WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? [02:50:01] WHAT'S THAT? IF IT'S EASIER FOR BUDGETING AND STUFF, DO YOU AGREE? WELL, THE 18 MONTHS MAKES IT EASIER FOR BUDGETING. WELL, IT'S NOT 18 QUITE, BUT IT'S JUNE AND THEN A WHOLE YEAR PLUS FOUR MONTHS. THAT'S THAT PART. GOT THAT. BUT I DON'T SEE WHY WHERE THE 30TH OF OCTOBER COMES FROM. IT'S SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 30 DAYS, SEPTEMBER 30TH, DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. 16, 17 MONTHS. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A QUALITATIVE DIFFERENCE THERE. I I THINK I, I'M WILLING JUST TO PITCH UP TRIPLE ONE, IT'S, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR. I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. OR SEPTEMBER 30TH IS THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. HOWEVER, THIS IS ON TOMORROW. THIS, THIS WOULD BE, UM, THIS WOULD BE, UH, IT IS, UH, IN, IN, YEAH. SO THIS WOULD BE WHEN A NEW FEE TAKES EFFECT. SO YOU COULD DO IT ON THE 30TH OF SEPTEMBER, BUT THAT'D BE ONE DAY BEFORE THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. SO IF, UM, SO TO FLOAT A DIFFERENT DATE, UM, IN ORDER FOR THE COUNCIL TO STILL STAY ON TRACK WITH THE, UM, CONSIDERATION TOMORROW NIGHT, IS THAT A PHONE CALL THAT YOU THINK YOU WOULD MAKE TOMORROW AND, AND MAYBE GET AN ANSWER? OR DO YOU THINK IF SOMEONE'S ON HOLIDAY FOR THE THANKSGIVING WEEK, THEN MAYBE IT'S, I I I THINK THAT, UH, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BOOK OUT OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THEY HAVE SENT OVER A SIGNED AGREEMENT ALREADY. AND I SAID TO THE COUNT, THE COMMISSIONERS, THEY SAID, OH, I APPRECIATE THIS, BUT COUNCIL HASN'T MADE A DECISION, SO THIS MIGHT CHANGE IF IT COMES BACK TO YOU. THEY SAID THAT THAT WAS OKAY. SO IF COUNCIL WANTS, I WILL MAKE THESE CHANGES FOR A DRAFT THAT YOU CAN REVIEW AND PASS AND SIGN AND SEND BACK OVER TO 'EM THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWING THEIR LEAD. AND MAYBE IF THEY AGREE TO IT, THEY CAN SIGN IT OR MAYBE THEY'LL DO THE SAME THING. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY, THEY HAVE A MORE FLEXIBILITY OF SCHEDULING MEETINGS THAN YOU DO. 'CAUSE THEY, THEY ONLY, THEY HAVE THAT ROTATING PERMANENT LEADING IN SESSION KIND OF A SCHEDULE. SO THEY COULD PROBABLY WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, RECONSIDER OR SEND US WORD. YEAH, I THINK THAT, UH, 30 DAYS IT'S NOT GONNA UPSET THE APPLE CART HERE. AND, UH, SO I, I'M, I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, HOW ABOUT THAT? CHANGE THE DATE. ALL RIGHT. SO GIVE HIM A SENSE. CHANGE THE DATE. 1, 2, 3, THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN, CHANGE THE DATE. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. CHANGE THE DATE. I'LL, I'LL CHANGE THE DATE AND YOU WILL HAVE ON YOUR DIOCESE AN UPDATED DRAFT TO APPROVE, UH, THAT WON'T HAVE THE COUNTY SIGNATURE ON IT AND WE CAN SEND IT BACK OVER TO THE COUNTY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION SIGNATURE. BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THE TYPO CORRECTIONS ANYWAY, RIGHT? YES, BUT WE DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE TO US THE 30 DAYS ONE, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THIS IS JUST A, SO MY ONLY QUESTIONS ARE JUST EASIER, EASIER TO REMEMBER. IS IT EASIER OR IS IT JUST LIKE WE WANT TO CHANGE ONE THING AND THEN I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT JUST TO CHANGE IT. I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME. OKAY. OKAY. SO FISCAL YEAR TIDINESS KIND OF AN ISSUE, I GUESS. AND WE CAN CATCH THOSE TOO. ALRIGHT. AND YOU PUT THE SCREEN UP. DOES, UH, COUNSELOR, UM, SHIELD HAVE A COMMENT? SHE JUST GAVE A THUMBS UP. OH, OKAY. SHE GAVE THUMBS UP. GREAT. CAN I SEE? YES. TWO THINGS I THINK EVERYBODY CAN SEE. AND SO I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR MICHAEL. HE'S WELL-VERSED IN THIS CONTRACT, , HE HAD, I MEAN, 20,000 GALLONS HERE, 40,000 GALLONS HERE. HERE'S THIS PROVISION LIKE HE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO GET, AND SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT UP THERE. AND THEN ALSO, I FEEL REALLY CONFIDENT MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE OF PAM'S MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE INSPECTIONS ON TIME. THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S LIKE THE ROBOTS GO INTO THE TANKS AND WE KNOW THE TANKS ARE DOING GOOD. SO I FEEL LIKE THE LIFE OF THE TANK AND THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING MAINTAINED IS WHY IT'S, YEAH, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. UM, IF WE'RE IN MARRIAGE COUNSELING, WE DECIDED TO HAVE ANOTHER BABY . I CAN FIT, IF I MAY, TO JUST TO GIVE A COUPLE OF UPDATES ON, ON, ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE, UM, THAT MICHAEL HAS, UH, WORKED WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON. UM, SO, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE BUDGET, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE INSTALLATION OF THREE TANKS WAS GOING TO BE A LITTLE OVER 700,000. SO, UM, THAT IS A RECENT QUOTE THAT'S PROBABLY, IT'S NOT FRESH, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS OLD. UM, SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE MILESTONES TO BE AWARE OF. IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EXPANSION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE, ON THE CANOPY, UH, WE HAD A, A VENDOR COME OUT AND GIVE US SOME ESTIMATES. UM, THE ESTIMATE WAS, UH, CAME IN A LITTLE OVER 200,000. SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT TRIGGERS A FORMAL BID. IT'S CONSIDERED A PUBLIC WORKS, UH, [02:55:01] CONTRACT. AND SO, UM, ALL THOSE STATE STATUTES ARE REQUIRED UNDER THAT 'CAUSE OF THE, UH, POTENTIAL DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DRAFT SPECIFICATIONS PREPARED. WE'VE GOT A KIND OF A CRYPTIC DRAWING. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO GET, UM, WHAT WE CALL A DESIGN AND AN INSTALLATION PACKAGE PACKAGE IN A FORMAL BID. AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, UH, THEIR DESIGNATED PERSON WHO'S THEIR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DO AN ONSITE WALK AROUND OUR, UM, EQUIP MATES, EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE SUPERINTENDENT'S GONNA DO A WALK AROUND, UM, UM, MONDAY, DECEMBER 2ND, I BELIEVE IT IS. UM, AND SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA KIND OF GET EYES ON IT AND, AND LOOK AT THAT. BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE PACKAGE ACTUALLY DEVELOP A DESIGN SO WE CAN GET A PERMIT. SO WE DO IT RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO JUST, UH, THE EXPERTISE IN INSTALLATION. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO THAT IN THIS AREA, BUT THE PEOPLE WE DO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN, UM, ONCE THEY SEE THIS PROJECT GOING OUT FOR A FORMAL BID BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK. IT'S, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND HAVE TO GET IT APPROVED BY COUNCIL BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AS WELL. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THE FOOTWORK, UH, IN ORDER TO COMPLIMENT THE REQUESTS THAT ARE, UH, CURRENTLY OUTLINED IN THIS AGREEMENT GOING FORWARD. IT, IT, IT, YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF THIS, BUT UH, I'LL HIGHLIGHT IT ANYWAY. UM, IF THIS AMENDMENT'S APPROVED, YOU WILL BE OBLIGATING, UH, MONEY, UH, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED FOR THE CANOPY. NOW THE SECOND PHASE OF THIS PROJECT WILL TAKE PLACE DURING THE NEXT, UH, BUDGET YEAR. AND, UH, AT THE EARLIEST OR FOR SURE, FOR SURE UNDER THE AGREEMENT, IT'S, UH, CONTEMPLATED TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS DURING THE 26TH, 27TH BUDGET YEAR. AND SO DURING THE NEXT BUDGETING PROCESS IS WHEN YOU'LL NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT AND THINKING ABOUT THE FUNDS THAT YOU'RE GONNA DESIGNATE. IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT, THERE IS A NON APPROPRIATION CLAUSE BUILT INTO THE AGREEMENT THAT WORKS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. SO, UM, WHILE YOU WILL BE OBLIGATED TO FUND THE, UH, CANOPY COUNCIL'S ALREADY BUDGETED THE FUNDS FOR THAT, UH, THIS WOULD OBLIGATE THE CITY TO DO THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR THE FUEL TANK EXPANSION. BUT IF THERE ISN'T MONEY AVAILABLE, IT WOULD BE THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY OR THE COUNTY TO, UH, DELAY OR CANCEL THAT PART OF THE AGREEMENT. AND, UH, TELL ME HOW MUCH WE BUDGETED FOR THE CANOPY THIS YEAR. SET ASIDE $160,000. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA BE OKAY ON THAT FOR SURE. PROBABLY. UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU'RE SAYING 700 OR, UH, WAS THE SIX MONTH OLD BID 700,000 PER HOUR? HALF OR TOTAL? NO, JUST TOTAL. IT WAS, I WANNA SAY, I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE $724,000, UH, FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE TANKS. OKAY. AND THERE'S ROOM, SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, JUST, UH, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT, UH, BIT THAT, THAT LAST BIT AND THAT IS TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE SORT OF COMMITTING TO COMING UP WITH THAT THREE 50 TO $400,000 TO, TO PAY THE BILL OR MORE YEAH. TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE. UM, ALRIGHT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? TERRIFIC. WE HAVE SAVED SEVEN MINUTES. UH, OUT OF THE THREE, FIVE WE WILL TIME. SO NOW WE'RE ONLY BEHIND 28 MINUTES. UM, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UH, A COUNCIL, UM, LED ITEM. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, DIRECTORS AVAILABLE, I BELIEVE THAT IAN WAS PLANNING TO TRY TO BE AVAILABLE, UM, ON OUR CALL. UM, IAN, MAYBE TURNER, OUR, UH, AIRPORT DIRECTOR. HE'S NOT ON YET. HE'S ON YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU. UM, YOU ARE GETTING A BIGGER VERSION OF THE SMALL VERSION THAT I GAVE YOU EARLIER. SO YOU'VE GOT, UH, A REFERENCE POINT. UM, AND LET'S SEE IF I CAN FRAME THIS UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. UM, I RECEIVED, UM, OR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER RECEIVED, UH, LISA BUROW RECEIVED A REQUEST, UM, OR NOT REQUEST, BUT AN INQUIRY ABOUT A PROBLEM THAT, UH, THE BUSINESS WAS HAVING. THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE OCTO, NO, IT'S NOT AN OCTAGON. WHAT IS IT A ANYWAY, THE SIX-SIDED HEXAGON, SAGON, WHATEVER BUILDING, UM, THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF INTERNATIONAL WAY AND SKYLINE DRIVE, NORTH SKYLINE DRIVE. AND, UH, THEY, UH, HAD INDICATED THAT THEY WANTED TO, UM, PUT ON A CHRISTMAS LIGHT SHOW OR WERE ATTENDING TO PUT ON A CHRISTMAS LIGHT SHOW. AND HAD, UM, DETERMINED THAT IT, TO THEM, IT MADE MORE SENSE TO AIM THE SHOW TOWARD INTERNATIONAL WAY. UM, AND, UH, THEY HAD BEEN CONTACTED BY THE AIRPORT, AND THE AIRPORT HAD, UH, UH, USING, UH, ONE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT'S, UH, PUT OUT THE AIRPORT, HAD GOTTEN [03:00:01] A HOLD OF THE OWNERS THERE AND TOLD THEM THAT THIS WASN'T GONNA WORK OUT. THERE WERE GONNA BE A VIOLATION OF SOME PARKING AGREEMENTS AND THAT THIS WAS A PROBLEM. THEY WERE CONTRIBUTING TO A POTENTIAL PROBLEM. SO THERE WAS THAT LEGAL CONCERN THAT THEY HAD. THEY WERE TOLD THAT BY HAVING THE SHOW, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, LIABLE FOR, FOR THE PARKING PROBLEM. UM, THAT HAS BEEN, I THINK, PRETTY MUCH CLARIFIED OR TAKEN CARE OF. BUT, UH, THE PROBLEM DID SERVE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE HAVE, UM, A NO PARKING ZONE ON INTERNATIONAL WAY. AND AS YOU SEE IN THE ORDINANCES THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET, IT'S, IT'S EVEN LARGER THAN JUST THAT ONE, ONE STREET. UM, AND SO, UH, WE ARE NOW JUST TAKING A LOOK AT WHY DO WE HAVE THIS POLICY OF NO PARKING IN ALL THESE STREETS, UM, AND DOES IT SEEM CONSISTENT? WHAT IS, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND WHAT PROBLEMS DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THERE? REALLY INDEPENDENT OF ANY SORT OF SINGLE PERSON'S LIGHT SHOW? IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DOES THIS PARKING POLICY MAKE SENSE? AND, UM, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA SORT OF PUSH IT TOWARD, UH, COUNCIL HAW. 'CAUSE SHE, UM, HAD DONE SOME, PROBABLY MAYBE THE MOST THINKING ON THIS THAT I'M AWARE OF. SO, UM, THERE JUST A FEW THINGS. THE, IT'S A, IT'S A WIDE STREET. IT'S NOT JUST A, LIKE A RESIDENTIAL STREET. SO IT'S A WIDE STREET. I THINK THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S, THERE ISN'T A REASON TO HAVE SUCH A, UM, RESTRICTIVE NO PARKING, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS, SINCE 2001, THERE'S BEEN ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PARKING PATTERNS ON THE STREET. UM, SO IT'S REALLY LIKE, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE THINK NOW THAT PARKING SHOULD LOOK LIKE? UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I FOUND JUST, UM, DRIVING OUT THERE WAS THE YELLOW, IT'S THE CURB IS PAINTED YELLOW. SO WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE, WE HAVE A CURB PAINT YELLOW. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNAGE THAT SAYS NO PARKING. SO IF, IF YOU'RE PLOWING THE STREET, IF IT'S DARK AT NIGHT, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A SECTION OF, THERE'S YELLOW AND THEN THERE'S RED IN FRONT OF THE HYDRANTS. SO IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE, OH, THE YELLOW MUST MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN NO PARKING. SO I THINK, I THINK WE NEED JUST LIKE CONSISTENCY ON, UM, WHAT THE PREVAILING USE IS. UH, IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE ALSO CREATED THIS, UM, AREA FOR THE DIGITAL LOT FOR THE AIRPORT. AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S CLEARLY EVEN CLOSER THE INTERNATIONAL WAY. THERE ISN'T AN FAA REASON, BUT, UM, DIRECTOR TURNER DOES HAVE SOME, UM, GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT HAVING, UM, PARKING ON THERE. MY OWN PREFERENCE, I FEEL LIKE, UM, THAT THE STREET COULD, UM, CAPACITY WISE HOLD PARKING, THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE PARKING RESTRICTIONS, BUT I WOULD ALSO THINK THAT ITS PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT WOULD MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO USE IT FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING. AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT EITHER ACCOMPLISHES WHAT, UM, THAT STREET IS MEANT, OR EITHER IT'S, THERE'S BUSINESSES ON THAT STREET, IT'S TO CONVEY TRAFFIC. SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE KIND OF LOOK AT THE, THE TYPICAL, UH, YOU KNOW, NO PARKING BEFORE THIS, BEFORE SKYLINE FOR HOWEVER MANY FEET AND ACTUALLY SIGN IT PROPERLY THE WAY WE WOULD ANY OTHER STREET ALLOW PARKING IN THE DAY. AND THEN, UM, LIKE A 10:00 PM NO OVERNIGHT PARKING, 10:00 PM TO 7:00 AM KIND OF RIGHT. UM, RESTRICTION. AND, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SIGN IT, UM, OBVIOUSLY NOT JUST THE CURB OR NOT LEAVE PEOPLE GUESSING. IT'S LIKE, HERE'S, HERE'S THE RESTRICTION. AND THEN, UM, DIRECTOR TURNER ALSO SAID TO THE LEAD, NO PARKING PASSED. ALL OF A SUDDEN I'VE GOT THE WORD BO ON MY BO BO YEAH. YEAH. AND I, I AGREE WITH HIM ON THAT AS WELL. SO WHEN YOU SAY PAST BORE, ARE YOU TALKING TO THE, TO TO THE WEST? TO THE WEST, THE WEST, YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. TO THE, TO HAVE NO PARKING ON, ON THAT SECTION OF THE STREET. I THINK THAT, UM, PEOPLE USE THIS RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, KIND OF AS A CELL PHONE, OR I'M WAITING FOR A, FOR SOMEONE TO COME INTO THE AIRPORT. THEY DON'T WANT TO JUST KEEP DRIVING AROUND THE LOOP OF SKYLINE AND IN AND AROUND AND MINUTE AROUND. AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT IT ALLOWING, BUT NO OVERNIGHT PARKING, EVEN IF SOMEONE IS IN THEIR CAR AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, JUST SITTING THERE WAITING, IT WOULD STILL, [03:05:02] THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE NO STANDING, IT'S JUST NO PARKING. AND SO I, I FEEL LIKE, BUT WHAT ABOUT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MAKING SOME OF IT CELL PHONE? YOU CAN'T LEAVE YOUR CAR, BUT YOU CAN WAIT THERE SO THAT WE CUT DOWN THAT TRAFFIC THAT BUILDS UP ON WHAT BECOMES SKYLINE INTO THE AIR OR WHAT IS SKYLINE THEN BECOMES THE AIRPORT WAY. IN OTHER WORDS, TRY TO STOP THAT LONG LINE THAT'S TRYING TO PICK PEOPLE UP AT THE CHANGE OF FLIGHT AND HAVE THEM MOVE OVER TO PART OF THIS AS OUR CELL PHONE LOCK UNTIL WE CAN, I MEAN, IT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN, IT'S JUST A LONG WAY DOWN THE ROAD. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A PUBLIC STREET. THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT. AND SO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO USE THAT FOR THAT REASON CAN, UM, I THINK THAT THOSE OTHER, THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. UM, SO WHEN I SEE A, THE STREET FULL OF CARS, THEN I FEEL LIKE, OH, THEN SOMETHING IS HAPPENING AT ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT IS BEYOND THEIR CAPACITY. SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. I JUST WOULDN'T, I JUST WOULDN'T RESTRICT NO, NO PARKING. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT'S, MAYBE YOU SAID THIS AND I MISSED IT. WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA OF NOT ONLY NO OVERNIGHT PARKING, FIGURE OUT WHERE THE APPROPRIATE HOURS ARE FOR THAT, BUT LIMIT PARKING THERE TO TWO HOURS OR SOMETHING, AGAIN, TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM USING THAT FROM AS A DEFACTO ALL DAY PARKING AREA FOR THE BUSINESSES AND THOSE OTHER THINGS IN THEIR OWN. YEAH. I, I DON'T CARE IF THE BUSINESSES PARKED THERE. HONESTLY, I, THEY NEED THE OVERFLOW ON THE STREET. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE PROVIDED A LOT OF PARKING. IT'S A CITY STREET. I DON'T KNOW WHY. I MEAN, THIS ONE PICTURE SHOWS A LOT OF CARS PARKED OUT THERE ALREADY. UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE, IF WE OPENED IT UP FOR PARKING, WAS THAT PEOPLE WOULD PARK THERE INSTEAD OF GOING IN THE PARKING LOT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. WELL, SO, SO THAT'S WHY WE DO THE OVERNIGHT PARKING. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER THAT THE, THE OFFICER AT THE AIRPORT COULD, COULD, YOU KNOW, AT MIDNIGHT OR WHATEVER, HE COULD RUN OVER THERE. IF THERE'S STILL A CAR PARKED THERE, THEN HE COULD RIDE HIM A TICKET RIGHT. FOR BEING PARKED THERE AFTER MIDNIGHT. OTHERWISE, I THINK PEOPLE WILL START PARKING THERE BECAUSE IT'S FREE. MM-HMM. AND PARKING FOR DAYS AT A TIME. YEAH. AND THEY'RE GONNA CALCULATE WHETHER THE TICKET IS WORTH THE TRADE OFF AND WELL, THE PARKING THERE NOW. WELL, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE OTHER THING TOO, IS WHAT, WHAT IS PREVAILING? YEAH. IT'S HARD TO SEE. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, IT'S STILL LEGAL. HAS ANYBODY BEEN ABLE TO ASCERTAIN WHY THEY PUT NO PARKING ON THAT STREET IN THE FIRST PLACE? SO I PULLED UP THE MINUTES, UM, AND DIRECTOR TURNER IS ON ON, BUT I PULLED UP THE MINUTES FROM THAT COUNCIL MEETING. UM, I DIDN'T MAKE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I HAVE A FEW TO SHARE, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE TO IT. IT BASICALLY JUST SAYS, UM, UH, COUNCIL OR MEMBER BROBERG STATED THAT, I MEAN, THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF IT BESIDES A MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR. SO THE, THE, THERE'S THE, UM, ORDINANCE, UH, CHANGE CONCERNING PARKING ON TERMINAL, UH, DRIVE FROM THE DIRECTOR. AND THE MEMO JUST SAYS THAT, UH, FAA IS ALLOWING THE SINGLE OPEN LANE IN FRONT OF THE TERMINAL BUILDING TO BE USED FOR DROP OFF AND PICKUPS. UM, SO THIS WAS POST NINE 11. THIS, UH, THIS HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 25TH. UM, SO JUST SIX WEEKS-ISH AFTER, UM, THE, UH, NINE 11, UH, EVENTS VEHICLES ARE NOT TO BE LEFT UNATTENDED OR PARKED RIGHT. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT UNATTENDED VEHICLES, UM, PERHAPS POSING A DANGER. CARS IN VIOLATION COULD BE TICKETED OR TOWED. THIS ORDINANCE, UH, CHANGE, UM, IT'S NOT A CHANGE, IT WAS ACTUALLY A SUBSTITUTION. A WHOLE NEW ORDINANCE, UM, IS ESTABLISHING A FEE OF $50 FOR THOSE WHO VIOLATE THIS. NO PARKING RULE SIGNS AT BOTH ENDS OF THE DESIGNATED AREA HAVE BEEN POSTED. SO IT SAYS THERE WERE SIGNS, AIRPORT DIVISION IS REQUESTING THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS CHANGE. UM, AND THEN BERG STATED THAT THE WHOLE NATION IS FEELING THE IMPACT OF THE ATTACK ON SEPTEMBER 11TH. THERE'S A RIPPLE EFFECT THROUGHOUT THE NATION. THE AIRPORT IS FEELING THE EFFECT. ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THE AIRPORT WITH REGARD TO OPERATION, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL US WHAT THOSE ARE. UM, AND THEN IT SAYS AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL MEMBER GROVER, THE CITY ATTORNEY, THEN READ THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE BY TITLE, AND THEN IT WAS ENACTED AND IT, AND IT TOOK, UM, BASICALLY, UH, TAKING INTERNATIONAL DRIVE AS THE NOR, UH, THE SOUTHERNMOST, UH, OR I GUESS SOUTHERN, I DON'T, THE DIRECTIONS WERE A LITTLE OFF TO ME WHEN WE GET TO THE AIRPORT, BUT IF YOU'RE THINKING OF THE AIRPORT AT THE TOP IN INTERNATIONAL WAY WAS RESTRICTED PARKING THE BOTTOM NORTH OF THAT ON SKYLINE RESTRICTED, BORA RESTRICTED, ALL TAXIWAYS RESTRICTED. AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO DRAW AN INVISIBLE LINE ACROSS HEADING EAST TO PUT [03:10:01] DRIVE ANYTHING NORTH OF THAT INVISIBLE LINE FROM INTERNATIONAL WAY ON FOOT DRIVE, ALSO RESTRICTED. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, ANY CAR THAT COULD BE PARKED ALONG ANY OF THOSE ROADS WOULD IMPACT AIRPORT OWNED PROPERTY. UM, THE, THE DIFFERENCE, OR NOT THE DIFFERENCE, BUT INTERNATIONAL WAY, UM, BASICALLY ONLY IMPACTS REAL ESTATE AND VEHICLES, NOT BUILDINGS. BUT THAT WAS, I THINK, THE LOGIC, IAN, UM, YOU MAY HAVE BETTER THOUGHTS ON THIS THAN I DO, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY LOGIC BASED ON THE, THE LITTLE RESEARCH I WAS ABLE TO DO. UH, YES, MAYOR. SO THAT WAS THE 2001 ORDINANCE. MM-HMM. , YES. SO I, I THINK THAT A PIECE OF THIS CERTAINLY, UH, GOES BACK TO WHO WAS USING THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE INTERNATIONAL WAY AS WELL. AND THOSE, THOSE USED TO BE CALL CENTERS THERE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE PARKING. AND I, I SUSPECT THAT ALONG THAT LINE THERE WAS ALSO SOME CHANGES MADE, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THAT ARE RELATED TO SOME CONFLICT BEFORE THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE NOW OUR REMOTE ECONOMY LOT AND THOSE USERS OF THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS, UH, WITH PARKING ALONG INTERNATIONAL WAY. SO I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS LOOKING AT, UH, FOR, SORRY, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE. LOOKING AT THE, UH, OLD GOOGLE EARTH AERIALS. UH, PART OF THIS WAS, WAS TO ADDRESS PARKING CONCERNS, UH, FOR THE CALL LIMIT POINTS, IF YOU'LL, OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. DIRECTOR. ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH, IF, IF, IF THIS FOR CONVERSATION, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING PARKING ON BOTH SIDES. IS IT WIDE ENOUGH THAT, UH, FIRE AND OFF EVERYTHING CAN GET DOWN IT? IF ARE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT FROM THE AIRPORT'S POINT OF VIEW? CORRECT. YOU CAN PUT SOME OF THOSE PICTURES. I I, IF YOU'RE ASKING, UH, ME, I, I THINK IF DIRECTOR FREDRICKSON'S STILL THERE, FIRE CHIEF, UH, EITHER ONE OF THEM WOULD BE BETTER, UH, EQUIPPED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SO THIS, THIS STREET IS DESIGNED WITH A 43 FOOT WIDTH IN BETWEEN, UH, THAT'S A LIP GUTTER. LIP GUTTER. SO THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH ANY RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR STREET THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN. UM, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN WIDE ENOUGH WITH PARKING ON BOTH SIDES TO ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY VEHICLE, UM, USING THE ROADWAY. AND WOULD IT ALSO HAVE ROOM TO HAVE TWO BIKE LANES AND PARKING? IS IT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THAT, DO YOU THINK? SO THE, THE ALIGNMENT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC CARS PARKED AND THEN BIKE LANES ON NEAREST THE CURB, WOULD THAT ALIGNMENT WORK? I'M TRYING TO DO THE MENTAL MAP LATE IN THE DAY, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT WOULD, THAT MIGHT COME TO MIND IS YOU'RE ON SUCH A, UM, A LOW SPEED STREET THAT SHERIFF'S MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE BIKE CLS. BUT WHAT SHARES, SIR? WHAT'S THAT? SO THAT'S THE SHARES OF ROADWAY SYMBOLOGY. OH. OR RIDING THE LANES. I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC, BUT, BUT I THINK EITHER COULD BE ACCOMMODATED, SO IT JUST GIVES ME A VISUAL OF HOW WIDE THAT IS. YEAH. AS OPPOSED TO BOULEVARD WHERE WE COULDN'T, AND, AND IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE PUT BIKE LANES IN 43 FOOT ROADWAY SECTIONS WITH PARKING ON EITHER SIDE. SO I THINK THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED AS WELL. THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD DIRECTOR WITH, WELL, I DIDN'T HAVE HIM, HE DID IT, BUT IT'S INFORMATION THAT I KNOW NOW. SO ABOUT THE, THE INTERSECTION OF SKYLINE AND INTERNATIONAL WAY. YEAH. WE, WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING OUR ANNUAL SAFETY EVALUATION AT ALL THE ACCIDENTS IN IDAHO FALLS EARLIER LAST WEEK. WE DID LOOK AT INTERNATIONAL WAVE AND SKYLINE AND IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A FOUR MONTH PERIOD WHERE ACCIDENTS ARE STILL BEING REPORTED, GOT INTO THE SYSTEM, BUT, UM, THERE WERE NO REPORTED ACCIDENTS ALONG INTERNATIONAL WAY OR AT THE INTERSECTION. SO THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN THAT, THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD THAT SHOWED UP. OKAY. I I, THE, THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN MAKES MAKES ME WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. THE INTENT WOULDN'T BE TO ALLOW PARKING THAT'S NOT PARALLEL, RIGHT? CORRECT. EVEN DIAGONAL PARKING WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. IT'D BE ALL BE PARALLEL PARKING PARALLEL, YEAH. PARALLEL PARKING BECAUSE IT TAKES UP TOO MUCH LANE WIDTH. YEAH. OKAY. NO, IT'S JUST LIKE A REGULAR ROAD PARALLEL PARKING. NO, I THINK OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE MODIFIED TO ALLOW NON-PARALLEL PARKING. IT'S NOT, THE DEFAULT RULE UNDER THE STATE CODE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE PARKED, UH, WITH YOUR, IN THE DIRECTION THAT TRAFFIC FLOWS. SO OCCASIONALLY OFFICERS WILL RIDE A TICKET FOR SOMEONE WHO'S PARKED THE WRONG WAY, UH, WITHOUT THE RIGHT TIRES AGAINST THE CURB. OKAY. AND I'LL GET [03:15:01] AN ANGRY PHONE CALL AND I'LL SAY, HEY, YOU SHOULD PAY THIS TICKET . SO YEAH. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT PICTURE PRETTY MUCH SHOWS THAT, UH, UH, WITH ONCOMING TRAFFIC, YOU REALLY CAN'T HAVE A FIRE VEHICLE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THEIR, I THINK, SUPER EASILY. YOU CAN'T PARK THEM LIKE THAT. YOU JUST CAN'T PARK THAT WAY. RIGHT. BUT WITH PARKING PARALLEL ON ONE OR BOTH, WHAT IS YOU, WHAT ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING? ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING BOTH SIDES OR ONE SIDE? I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T BE BOTH. BOTH SIDES. YEAH. I JUST THINK BOTH SIDES. PARKING IN THE DAY, NO OVERNIGHT PARKING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE, WE DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO IT BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE BUSINESSES THERE AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS TO BECOME A CAR LAW. MAYBE BASED ON, ON THE FLIGHTS THOUGH, INSTEAD OF 10 O'CLOCK, YOU NEED MIDNIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S A FLIGHT, ALASKA FLIGHT THAT COMES IN AT MIDNIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. BUT IF SOMEONE WAS IN THEIR CAR, THAT WOULD NOT BE PARKING. RIGHT. AND IS THAT FAIR TO SAY THAT IF SOMEONE IS SITTING IN THEIR CAR, THEY WOULDN'T BE CITED FOR THAT'S IN THAT ORDINANCE? OH, SO SO THAT IS PARKING? IT IS PARKING, YEAH. IF YOU, IF YOU PUT YOUR CAR AT SOMEPLACE AND IT STOPPED IT, THAT'S THE SAME THING. OKAY. YOU COULD PROHIBIT UNATTENDED PARKING, WHICH WE PROHIBIT AT THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE, UH, THE AIRPORT. YOU CAN PARK THERE TEMPORARILY TO PICK SOMEBODY UP THAT'S NOT PROHIBITIVE, BUT YOU CAN'T LEAVE YOUR CAR. OKAY. IF YOU LEAVE YOUR CAR, THEN OFFICER DIDI WRITES YOU A TICKET, AS MIKE SAID, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, I THINK THE REASON THEY DID THAT PICTURE THAT WAY WITH THE CAR PARKED LIKE THAT, 'CAUSE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY CONVERSATION ABOUT A LIGHT SHOW. YEAH. AND THAT WAS HOW IT WAS BEING DESCRIBED, THAT THEY WANTED TO DO PARKING FOR THE LIGHT SHOW. SO THEY, THEY TOOK THAT PICTURE TO SHOW THAT IF, IF THAT'S HOW THEY WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE THE LIGHT SHOW, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET EMERGENCY VEHICLE THROUGH PARALLEL PARKING IS DIFFERENT. BUT IF THAT'S HOW THAT LIGHT SHOW YES. THE PARKING WOULD, IT WOULD CLOG ROAD, BLOCK ROAD. I, AND AS I'VE HAD THAT, THE CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING, I'VE TOLD HIM LIKE, THERE WON'T BE, IT'LL PARKING ALLOWED IS DIFFERENT THAN A DIFFERENT KIND OF PARKING. AND SO IF IT, YOU KNOW, HE, RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING IT WAS LIKE, IF, IF THEY ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK LIKE THAT, AS IF THEY ALLOW IT, ENCOURAGE IT, THEN THEY WOULD BE CITED. BUT IT WAS LIKE, NO, THEY WOULD NOT BE CITED IF PEOPLE PARK LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL AND THEN POLICE COULD GO OUT AND AND CITE THEM FOR IT. SO THAT, SO IT'S NOT REALLY A CHANGE IN THE LIGHT SHOW REALLY, TO ME, DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION AS WHAT, WHAT DO WE ALLOW ON THIS PARTICULAR PUBLIC STREET 20 YEARS AFTER NINE 11? JUST, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS. WE, AND IT LOOKS WEIRD IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR INTEREST IN PARKING TOO, LIKE JUST LET PEOPLE PARK OVERNIGHT. I LET US, IS IS THE LIMIT FOR THE CITY 24 HOURS ANYMORE? THE, THE LIMIT IS 48 HOURS. 48 HOURS. LIKE, I DON'T CARE. LIKE WHY, WHY DOES IT MATTER? SO FOR ME, I THINK IT'S KIND OF THE, LIKE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A RE LIKE AS A CITY, WE HAVE AN AIRPORT THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME PARK OVERNIGHT. AS A BUSINESS OWNER. I MEAN, I KNOW WE DON'T, WE HAVE PARKING ALONG, WE DON'T HAVE PARKING ALONG WOODRUFF, BUT JUST AS A BUSINESS OWNER, JUST THAT IT'S LIKE ALL OF THESE CARS ARE ALWAYS PARKED OUT IN FRONT OF ME FOR 48 HOURS AND, AND IT LOOKS A LITTLE ABANDONED. YOU KNOW, CARS THAT DON'T HAVE THEIR, I THINK WE NEED WINDSHIELDS. I THINK THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET FOR 48 HOURS. UM, HEAVY SNOWFALL PLOWING THAT BUILDS UP BECAUSE THE CARS AREN'T BEING ATTENDED TO. UM, AND YOU END UP WITH, UM, THEN YOU'VE GOT FUEL TRUCKS HAVING TO GO BACK IN THERE THAT TO SERVICE, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, HANGAR OWNERS, UM, THAT, THAT FUEL UP. YOU'VE GOT, UH, POTENTIAL EMERGENCY VEHICLES, YOU'VE GOT BIG MAINTENANCE VEHICLES THAT MAY HAVE TO MOVE IN AND OUT. IT'S JUST PROBABLY NOT WISE FOR US TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CLUTTER THAT STREET. IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT COULD GET CLEANED OUT EVERY NIGHT, UH, WHEN, UH, WHEN THERE IS A BIG SNOW STORM. AND SO I, I JUST THINK IT'S UNWISE FOR US TO CREATE A HAZARD, UM, WHEN THERE, WHEN NONE CURRENTLY EXISTS. AND I THINK THAT'S THE GOOD WAY TO SAY IT. THE BUSINESSES HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE PARK THERE TOO. AND, AND WE HAVE AN AIRPORT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO PARK OVERNIGHT. LIKE I WOULD JUST CLEAN IT UP. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, OH, WE, WE, WE CHARGE $5. GET OFF OUR DAMN. LIKE, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE GOOD WHAT I FEEL. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE CHIEF, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S READY TO TALK. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR FROM, UH, DIRECTOR TURNER. HE, FROM A FORCE LOOP PERSPECTIVE, [03:20:01] THE, THE 48 HOUR RULE IS RELATIVELY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. UM, GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THE, UH, TWO HOUR PARKING DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHEN THEY GOT THERE AND WHEN THEY LEFT. SO IF, IF WE DON'T KNOW THEY'RE THERE UNTIL TWO DAYS HAVE PASSED, WE WILL TAG IT AND THEN IT'S TWO DAYS LATER. UM, AND THAT BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE WHAT WE GET IN THE GENERAL, UH, CITY IS THE, YOU GOT PEOPLE LIVING RIGHT THERE AND THEY'LL CALL US UP AND SAY, HEY, THIS GUY'S BEEN PARKED RIGHT HERE. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THIS AREA. IT WOULD BE EASIER ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE A TIME PERIOD IN WHICH THERE'S NO OVERNIGHT PARKING. SO YOU COULD GO AND IF, UH, THERE WAS AVAILABILITY, YOU JUST TAKEN THE CARDS THAT ARE THERE OVERNIGHT. UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE A TIME AND IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER. BUT OF COURSE WE CAN DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANT. I'LL JUST GO TO THE STREET UP PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 40 MAKE, IF YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO GET PAST, YOU'RE GONNA DO IT. YEAH. YOU'RE GONNA DO IT. CAN WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PICTURE FOR A SECOND? 'CAUSE IT, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE CURB IS NOT YELLOW ON THE NORTH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, IN FRONT OF THE POLICE CAR ACROSS THE STREET. IT DOESN'T LOOK YELLOW OVER THERE. IS IT? THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE. OH, I GUESS IT IS. OKAY. I JUST CAN'T SEE IT. 'CAUSE OF THE WAY THE, WELL, NO, I'M TALKING OVER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE NOW. YEAH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERNATIONAL WAY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT YELLOW. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IS WHAT DOES YELLOW MEAN? UM, TO, TO VARIOUS PEOPLE. UM, TO ME IT MEANS CAN'T PARK HERE LONG TERM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT, THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN RED RED MEANS NO PARKING. SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT YELLOW. SO, UH, MAYBE CHRIS COULD TELL US AND THEN I THINK IAN DOES WANT TO TALK. SO YEAH, SO ANYTHING YOU HAVE A PAIN CURVE, IT USUALLY HAS SOME SPECIAL CONNOTATION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO WE ALL KIND OF RECOGNIZE BLUE IS DEALING WITH HANDICAP AND YOU MAY HAVE GREEN THAT HAS A SPECIAL CONNOTATION. BUT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS IT'S GENERALLY, UM, SOLIDIFIED WITH ADJACENT SIGNING. SO THIS WOULD TELL YOU, HEY, THIS IS OUR TYPICAL SITUATION AS A DRIVER. RIGHT. YELLOW GENERALLY IS SAYING THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME CHANGE. USUALLY IT'S A TEMPORARY TYPE. SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LOADING ZONES HAVE, HAVE, HAVE GENERALLY BEEN MARKED IN YELLOW, BUT SIGNAGES THERE, PARTICULARLY IN ILE FALLS WITH THE SNOW THAT WE RECEIVED, THAT BEING THE ONLY INDICATOR IF YOU PULLED OUT THERE IN THERE SNOW ON THE CURB LINE, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO PARK THERE RIGHT. WITHOUT SIGN. SO THAT SIGNAGE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE AS WELL. BUT, BUT REALLY IT IS JUST A SPECIAL DESIGNATION THAT YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF PARKING RESTRICTION OUT THERE, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF LEFT AS A, AS A DRIVER. WHAT IS THAT CURRENTLY? THANK YOU. DIRECTOR TURNER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THAT'S NOT REALLY BEING GIVEN FULL CONSIDERATION FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? NO, I I I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT THAT SIGNAGE HAS, HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, ACCORDING TO SOME OF THE STAFF, IT JUST, IT NEVER GOT REPLACED WHEN IT, WHEN IT CAME DOWN. SO THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED FAIRLY EASILY, PROBABLY. UM, SO IF THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE A DESIRE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE, UM, THE, UM, I I AM ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE RESTRICTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH INTERNATIONAL WAY MM-HMM. NOT SKYLINE OR BORA OR FOOT. UM, AND I, TO THE EXTENT THAT I'M RIGHT, I THINK THAT'S WISE BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHERS ARE UP AGAINST CITY OR AIRPORT PROPERTY. THE SECOND, UM, QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, ASSUMING THAT I, THAT I GOT THE ANSWER THAT YOU'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN INTERNATIONAL WAY. THE SECOND ONE IS, UM, UH, UH, OKAY. NO, IT'S A STATEMENT. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THEN WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED EXACTLY. AND, AND AGREE ON YOUR TIMES AND TERMS. AND THEN I WOULD ASK, UM, HOW, UH, THIS COULD GET DONE NOT FOR TOMORROW COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE THAT OF NOTICE ALREADY HAD TO BE GIVEN. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UM, PROBABLY THE NIGHT OF THE 12TH OF DECEMBER. WELL, BY THEN A PARTICULAR, UM, LIGHT SHOW WILL ALREADY HAVE BEEN UNDERWAY BECAUSE I THINK THEIR INTENT IS TO START ON THE 28TH. AND SO, UM, IS THE, RIGHT NOW, DO WE HAVE VIOLATIONS, PARKING VIOLATIONS ON THIS STREET THAT ARE ENFORCED? OR IS IT KIND OF ONE OF THOSE STREETS THAT, EH, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET TO IT OR IF THERE'S A REASON OR A PHONE CALL, WE'LL GO. OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT. WE HAVE, WE HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY. SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TICKETING ALL DAY LONG HERE. HERE'S THE SECRET. WE DON'T HAVE ANY DESIGNATED PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF IOWA FALLS. WE'VE CONTRACTED OUT THAT FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE THAT JUST GOES OUT AND DOES PARKING. UM, SO WE RESPOND, BUT WE DON'T, WE RESPOND. OKAY. UH, AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO DRIVE THROUGH IT, THEY CERTAINLY CAN, BUT THERE'S NO ONE OUT THERE ACTIVELY, UH, AS THEIR ASSIGNMENT TO NEW PARKING ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. AND SO IF WE'RE CONTEMPLATING SOMETHING THAT'S LESS LENIENT THAN, UM, WELL, NO, IT'S, SORRY. IT'S MORE LENIENT THAN THE CURRENT LAW THEN ANYBODY WHO DOES, UH, CURRENTLY WATCH THE LIVE SHOW UNTIL THE COUNCIL CAN, [03:25:01] UH, CHANGE THE, THE LAW OF THE ORDINANCE. IF, IF THAT'S YOUR INTENT ON THE 12TH, AND THEN IT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED BY SUMMARY AND THAT TAKES A FEW MORE DAYS. SO IT REALLY WOULD BE MID MONTH BEFORE WE'RE GONNA SEE, UM, THE LAW CHANGE. THAT MEANS THAT THIS LIGHT SHOW IS THEN OPERATING AT SOME RISK, UH, OR NOT THE LIGHT SHOW, BUT FOLKS WHO GO TO WATCH IT. UM, HOW DOES THAT SQUARE INTO ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS? YOU STILL WANT TO GO FORWARD AND CHANGE THIS ORDINANCE? 'CAUSE IN GENERAL YOU THINK IT'S A LITTLE MESSY. UM, IS THAT I I, OKAY. I'M DONE TALKING. UH, I THAT DIDN'T REALLY ASK QUESTIONS. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLEAR ON WHAT, HOW WE GO FORWARD AND IF THAT'S GONNA SATISFY YOUR CONCERNS. I'M WILLING TO GIVE 'EM A PASS IN THE MEANTIME. YEAH, I I, I I APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING THIS YEAR FOR THE FOLKS WHO WANT TO WATCH THE LIVE SHOW, BUT I THINK IT'S WELL WORTH PURSUING THIS OF THAT ON INTERNATIONAL. ON INTERNATIONAL. ARE WE TALKING JUST DOWN TO BORA? YES. JUST DOWN TO BORA? YEAH. THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CON YEAH. DIRECT I, I DIRECTOR TURNER, UM, OH, FROM SKYLINE WEST TO BORA. WHICH ONE'S? THAT'S THE ONE. IT'S THE ONE THAT GOES INTO THE, INTO THE AIRPORT. THE, UH, MAINTENANCE SHOP. IT'S NOT FOOT. LAURA'S A PRESIDENTIAL IS GLASSES. ACTUALLY, THE FOOT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH, FOOTS FOOTS ACROSS THE OTHER WAY. IT'S CHRIS AIRFIELD. SO LAURA'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE, IT'S EAST SIDE OF SUNNY OF JUST ACROSS FROM THE LOT. RIGHT, RIGHT FROM THE LOT. BECAUSE IN A WAY THE CURRENT ORDINANCE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE ANYWAY. 'CAUSE POOR DOESN'T GO NORTH OF INTERNATIONAL ANYMORE. THAT'S OUR PARKING LOT. NO, IT RIGHT. WELL, YEAH. DOES, IT'S STILL CALLED BORA STREET. IT IS THE ROAD THAT GOES UP TO ARAMARK TO THE, TO THE MAINTENANCE SHOP AND, AND THE FUEL FARMS. IT'S CALLED BORA FAR WEST. THAT ROAD IS BORA. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? DIRECTOR? I'M ACCEPT THAT SHE'S ALRIGHT. SHOULD WE PUT THE MAP BACK ON THE SCREEN AND THEN USE THE ARROW, UH, TO IDENTIFY? YEAH. HERE, SHOW US SOMETHING. MAP BORA AND FOOT ARE, WELL, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE CURSOR. ONLY CORINNE HAS THE CURSOR. UM, MIKE'S TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING. YES, CITY ATTORNEY. SO I JUST, I'M GONNA BE YOUR LAWYER FOR A MINUTE. AGREED. AND UH, WHAT I HEARD COUNSEL EXPRESS IS THAT COUNCIL WAS GONNA GIVE A PASS. COUNCIL CAN'T GIVE A PASS. COUNCIL HAS TO FOLLOW THE LAW. RIGHT NOW, THE LAW IS THAT NO ONE CAN PARK ON INTERNATIONAL WAY. IF SOMEONE PARKS ON INTERNATIONAL WAY AND AN OFFICER CITES THEM FOR IMPROPERLY PARKING, THEY WILL STILL BE VIOLATION OF THE LAW. AND IF THEIR LEGAL DEFENSE IS, WELL, I WAS WATCHING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND I HEARD THAT I WOULD GET A PASS. UH, THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT A JUDGE WILL ACCEPT. AND, AND IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT I'D ASK MY PROSECUTORS TO, TO ENFORCE. I'LL ASK THEM TO ENFORCE THE LAW. I THINK THAT EVERYONE KIND OF UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL EXERCISE SOME DISCRETION, BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNCIL THAT THE LAW CURRENTLY IS THAT YOU CANNOT PARK AN INTERNATIONAL WAY. AND UNTIL THE LAW CHANGES, THAT IS THE LAW. CAN WE CHANGE THE LAW TO A NORMAL RESIDENTIAL STREET FOR THIS SO THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE AND THEN COME BACK TO IT TO DO THE THINGS YOU WANT, THE RESTRICTIONS ALONG. SO FOR TOMORROW NIGHT, WE COULD GET THIS JUST TO A RESIDENTIAL STREET PARKING REGULATION LIKE THE REST OF THE CITY. AND THEN WE COME BACK AND DO WHAT YOU WANT AND DO AND MAKE AND MAKE SOME OTHER RESTRICTIONS ON THE LONG TERM JUST SO THAT THERE'S SOME REASONABLENESS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME PREDICTABILITY. WELL, I, I GUESS I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR, UH, MICHAEL IS, I WAS THINKING MAYBE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE EVERY OTHER STREET NEEDS A ORDINANCE TO DETERMINE IT TO BE PARKING OR NON-PAR. RIGHT? SO IT FEELS LIKE WE COULD JUST REPEAL THIS SECTION OF NINE DASH FOUR DASH NINE AND JUST PUT UP NO PARKING SIGNS ON FOOT AND, AND WHATEVER TIMING PARKING WE WANNA PUT IN HERE, AND NO PARKING. IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, TO ME IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF NEEDS TO, TO STAND JUST, WE CAN JUST SIGNAGE IT SO THAT THAT'S CORRECT. COUNSEL COULD REPEAL THIS AND STILL HAVE RETAIN THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE PARKING BY SIGN. UH, THERE IS A SEPARATE SECTION IN THE CODE WHERE PEOPLE ARE REQUIRED TO OBSERVE, UH, PARKING AS SIGNED. UM, YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T IT JUST A WAY THAT WHEN YOU PULL UP YOUR THING TO FIND THE PARTICULAR SECTION, YOU CAN'T FIND IT. BUT THERE IS A SECTION OF THE CITY CODE THAT SAYS THAT YOU MUST OBSERVE SIGN PARK IT. MAYBE ONE OF THE REASONS THIS [03:30:01] ISN'T SIGNED IS BECAUSE IT'S DESIGNATED SPECIFICALLY IN THE CODE. AND ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH, UH, COUNCIL PRESIDENT SHAW IS, WELL, WHY ISN'T THIS SIGNED? DOESN'T WON'T THAT MAKE IT A PROBLEM TO PROSECUTE? WELL, NO. EVERYONE IS ON NOTICE ON WHAT THE LAWS OF THE CITY ARE AS CONTAINED IN THE, UH, CITY CODE. AND EVEN IF YOU NEVER READ IT AND YOU'RE DEFENSIVE, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW AND I NEVER READ IT. NO ONE GAVE IT TO ME. EVERYONE'S ON CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE OF WHAT THE LAW IS. YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD BEFORE THE MAXIMUM IGNORANCE OF THE LAW'S, NO DEFENSE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. SO IS THE, IS THE YELLOW CURVE A DEFACTO SIGN FOR THIS PURPOSES OF THIS CONVERSATION? YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR NOT. IF I WAS MAKING THE LEGAL ARGUMENT, I WOULD SAY THAT THE SIGN FOR NOT PARKING ON THE INTERNATIONAL WAY IS CONTAINED ON, UH, THE CITY CODE IN TITLE NINE, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION NINE. AND THAT'S THE SIGN. IT'S WRITTEN ON A PIECE OF PAPER THAT WE PUT ON THE INTERNET AND EVERYONE CAN READ IT AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE. AND THAT'S THE SIGN. SO IF WE REPEAL THAT, THAT CODE, THEN THE SIGN GOES AWAY, THEN THE SIGN WOULD GO AWAY. AND IF YOU PUT UP A PHYSICAL SIGN, THEN, THEN YOU COULD REGULATE IT LIKE YOU DO OTHER STREETS. THAT WOULD BE MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE BECAUSE I THINK THAT SOMEONE WHO PARKS THERE AND THEN IS TOLD THAT THE REASON THEY'RE GETTING A TICKET IS BECAUSE OF ORDINANCE NINE DASH FOUR DASH NINE, WHICH I CAN APPRECIATE, MICHAEL, THAT THE LAW IS ALSO NOT A GOOD, NOT A GOOD LOOK. COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. WELL, I'M, I'M FOR, TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR THIS WEEKEND OR, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE TO JUST HAVE, BE PILLED, THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND DEAL WITH IT HOW WE WANT. AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD CHANGE MINE. BUT YOU CAN'T REPEAL IT UNTIL THE 12TH. SO, OH, WITH THIS NOTICES WE CAN, OKAY. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ARE THINKING THAT IT IMPROVES THE SITUATION BECAUSE PARKING COULD BE ALLOWED ALONG THE STREET FOR SEVERAL REASONS. BUT IF IT HAS TO BE DONE IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, WE'RE DOING A LOT FOR THIS ONE BUSINESS. THERE'S A COUPLE OPTIONS THEY HAVE. I MEAN, THEY COULD DO IT WITHOUT THE MUSIC. SO PEOPLE AREN'T THERE TO STOP. LIKE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE WALKERS, LOTS OF CARS DRIVE AROUND THERE AND THEY DON'T STOP. MM-HMM. IT DOESN'T, IT MAY BE THAT WE TELL 'EM ALSO IT WON'T BECOME POSSIBLE UNTIL MID-DECEMBER. SO YOU, YOU SHOULD NOT SET SOMETHING UP THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR YOUR VISITORS. AND THEY COULD HAVE THE, THE WAY THE DRIVEWAY LOOKS TO BE LIKE, THEY COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO JUST KEEP PEOPLE MOVING AND THEY JUST DRIVE THROUGH THEIR DRIVEWAY FROM INTERNATIONAL WAY, COME OUT ON SKYLINE, TURN RIGHT, AND GO WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING. THEY MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE IMPOSING SOMETHING ON THE CITY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME NOR THE FEASIBILITY TO DO PROPERLY. SO I'D RATHER FOLLOW IT PROPERLY AND TELL 'EM THEY NEED TO MAKE AN ADAPTATION THIS YEAR SO THAT IT'S EASIER IN THE FUTURE. WELL, THEY WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE PARKING IN FRONT OF THAT. THEIR, THEY WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE PARKING ILLEGALLY IN FRONT OF THEIR NO, THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE. THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE. THEY'RE SETTING SOMETHING UP, BUT, AND IF THEY WANT TO BE, SO IT'S LIKE, YEAH, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE, YEAH. SO, SO IF THEY DELAYED WHEN THEY STARTED IT THIS YEAR, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THEM. THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT THEY COULD DO. THEY COULD ALSO, AS I SAY, THEY COULD SET IT UP SO PEOPLE ARE ENCOURAGED. THEY JUST DRIVE THROUGH THEIR LITTLE DRIVEWAY AND THEY DON'T STOP, BUT THEY LOOK AT THE LIGHTS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO CHANGE THIS WHOLE STREET BY A CERTAIN DATE, JUST FOR A LIGHT SHOW THAT GOT STARTED THIS YEAR WITHOUT MUCH NOTICE FOR THE CITY. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF THE LIGHT, THE LIGHT SHOW JUST HAS TO BE CONSIDERED SEPARATE. YEAH. THEY EITHER WILL DO IT, THEY WON'T DO IT. PEOPLE WILL STOP. THEY'LL EITHER GET A TICKET OR THEY WON'T. BUT WE CAN TELL THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO CHANGE IT INTEL THE 12TH AND LET THEM ANYTIME LET THEM LIKE THAT. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE, I THINK THAT'S THE IDEA OF THIS IS NOT FOR ONE PERSON. THIS IS FOR THE STREET. THEY CAN TURN ON THEIR LIGHTS SHOW THEY CAN, PEOPLE CAN PARK THERE OR NOT PARK THERE, BUT THE CITY WILL ENFORCE IT OR WON'T ENFORCE IT. THEY GET COLD. LIKE, I JUST THINK IT'S LEAVING THE LIGHT SHOW OUT OF IT. IF WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL DECEMBER 12TH, IT'S DECEMBER 12TH. AND, AND THE LIGHT SHOW IS, IS THERE, IS THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO PUT UP LIGHTS AND PLAY MUSIC IF THEY WANT. LIKE, I JUST DON'T THINK I I AGREE THAT I THINK WE, WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION TO WORK IT THROUGH IN A, IN AN ORDERLY FASHION YEAH. AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. WHETHER TO DO A STOP GAP FOR A PARTICULAR SITUATION AND THEN COME [03:35:01] BACK AND REVISIT IT. I THINK WE CAN DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. AND IF THAT TAKES SOME TIME, THEN THAT TAKES SOME TIME. SO, UM, CITY CLERK, WHEN, UM, WE PASSED SOMETHING ON A THURSDAY AND IT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED BY SUMMARY. UM, IT'S, YOU CAN'T GET IT IN THE SATURDAY OR SUNDAY PAPER BECAUSE THOSE REQUIRE A LITTLE MORE NOTICE AND THEY, WE DON'T HAVE A MONDAY PAPER. IS IT USUALLY TUESDAY WHEN THINGS ARE PUBLISHED OR WHAT DAY IS IT USUALLY PUBLISHED? IT'S TYPICALLY PUBLISHED ON WEDNESDAYS. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE THE 18TH. OKAY. SO, SO JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WE CAN'T ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA TOMORROW. UM, CAN, YOU CAN, IF THERE'S AN EXIGENT REASON, I GUESS THERE'S A GOOD FAITH REASON WHY IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN PUT IN THE REGULAR AGENDA. NOTICE YOU CAN, WHAT WOULD THAT GOOD FAITH IS THERE A LEGITIMATE GOOD FAITH REASON WE DECIDED, WE JUST SAID THAT THE COUNCIL MEETING IS, WAS ONE DAY AFTER THE SESSION DISCUSSION TILL TODAY. BUT IT DOESN'T HELP THE REASON. NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT, YEAH, IT'S JUST THE, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, LIKE THAT YOU COULD EXPRESS YOUR GOOD FAITH REASON I, AS LONG AS IT'S LEGITIMATE. I THINK THAT, AND, AND BY LEGITIMATE, REALLY WHAT IT MEANS TO ME, IF I WAS GONNA MAKE AN ARGUMENT, UH, IS THAT THERE IS SOME REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE 48 HOURS HEADS UP OF WHAT YOU WERE GONNA DISCUSS. MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED SUDDENLY, LIKE A, A A, AN EMERGENCY OR MAYBE YOU FOUND, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THAT YOU NEED TO RESPOND TO, UH, QUICKLY OR GET THE ENTIRE COUNCIL UP TO SPEED. FOR EXAMPLE. WE'VE HAD INCIDENTS HAVE HAPPENED, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE STRONG PUBLIC INTEREST IN THAT AFFECT THE, THE CITY'S LEGAL LIABILITIES THAT WE'VE HAD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND WHY WASN'T IT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION POSTED EARLIER? WELL, BECAUSE WE KNEW 12 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING THAT SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED AND NOW WE'RE REACTING TO IT. THIS IS NOT A SITUATION IN MY OPINION, THAT'S LIKE THAT THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE KNOWN PARKING HASN'T BEEN ALLOWED TO EXIST FOR, UH, SINCE 2001. WE'VE HAD A REQUEST THAT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WAS TWO WEEKS AGO FOR COUNSEL TO ADDRESS THIS, THAT THERE ISN'T A STRONG REASON, IN MY OPINION ON WHY THIS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUT ON THE AGENDA, UH, BEFORE THE AGENDA NOTICE TIMELINE EXPIRED. BUT I'M NOT THE COUNSEL ON JUST YOUR LAWYER. I DON'T WANT TO DO IT IN A RUSH FASHION. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY WHO WANTS THIS AND BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO COME AND GO, NO, PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. WE NEED, WE NEED THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE NOTICE IN ADVANCE OF WHAT THE AGENDA IS. AND THERE'S REALLY NO RUSH ON IT EXCEPT FOR THIS CONFLICT. AND THAT THEY NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOME WAYS THEY CAN GET AROUND IT UNTIL AFTER WE MAKE A LEGAL BY A PROPER APPROACH. AND THERE MAY EVEN BE SOME REASONS FROM SOME DEPARTMENT THAT THEY GO, WAIT A MINUTE, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS. ALL RIGHT, SO THEN THE LAST, SO WE NEED SOME TIME FOR THAT PROCESS TO HAPPEN TOO, RATHER THAN OUR CRAMMING IT DOWN EVERY DEPARTMENT WITHOUT HEARING FROM THEM. SO I'D RATHER WAIT. SO, UM, THE LAST QUESTION THEN IS, UM, TO CLARIFY, ON THE 12TH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TOTAL REPEAL OF THIS, OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REPEAL OF THE ELEMENT THAT SAYS NO PARKING ON INTERNATIONAL WAY REPEAL OF THE PARKING ON INTERNATIONAL WAY. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT YOUR INTENT IS TO, TO PUT ON INTERNATIONAL WAY BY WAY OF CONTROL IS, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IN THE ORDINANCE OR CAN THAT BE DONE, UH, VIA SIGNAGE? THAT IS DETERMINED BY WHOEVER DETERMINES SIGNAGE RULES. 'CAUSE WE DON'T USUALLY VOTE ON EVERY SIGN IN TOWN. AND SO COULD THAT BE JUST A SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UM, OUTSIDE OF A COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THAT, UH, THE HOURS TERMS OF THAT PARKING COULD BE DETERMINED, UH, WHERE, UH, IAN AND CHRIS AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD FEEL THE MOST STRONGLY, COULD HAVE SOME INPUT. HOW DOES IT WORK? HOW, HOW DOES SIGNAGE DETERMINATION WORK? WELL, I THINK, I THINK ONE SPECIAL RESTRICTIONS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SIGN AND, AND KNOW WHAT THOSE WOULD BE, WE WOULD NEED SOME DIRECTION. SO IF IT IS, IT'S NO UNOCCUPIED OVERNIGHT PARKING, THAT'S A DIFFERENCE THAN, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHEN NO OVERNIGHT PARKING, WHATEVER. WE NEED SOME DIRECTION IN HOW TO, HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT. BUT OTHERWISE IT JUST FALLS BACK TO CITY, CITY ORDINANCES THAT IT WOULD BE. SO IF YOU REBUILD THAT, IT WOULD BE LIKE ANY OTHER STREET IN TOWN YOU COULD PARK ON THAT TO THE 48 HOUR NOTICE. OKAY. SO THE RESTRICTIONS SHOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE. I I WOULD ORDER THE DIRECTION AT LEAST TO STAFF AND WHAT SIGNING TO PUT UP. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. ALTHOUGH THAT MAKES IT REALLY HARD FOR SOMEONE TO UNWIND 15 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, HOW, HOW THE, THE [03:40:01] RULES GOT THERE. ALTHOUGH MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED TO UNWIND IT, THEY JUST CHANGE THE SIGN. BUT, UM, WHAT, UH, ARE YOUR, I'M CONFUSED DIRECTIONS AT THIS POINT. I JUST WONDER, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE FROM WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE THAT WE COULD WE REFILL THIS BECAUSE IT WASN'T IS ORDINANCE 9 4 9 IN THE PARKING ORDINANCE IS NINE IN THE PARKING LOT. SO TITLE IX OF THE CITY CODE ADDRESSES PARKING IN VARIOUS WAYS ACROSS THE CITY. THAT'S WHERE THE DOWNTOWN PARKING ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER IS CONTAINED. THAT'S WHERE THE GENERAL NO PARKING RESTRICTIONS ARE FOUR IN CHAPTER FOUR. YEAH, CHAPTER FOUR. AND THEN NINE SECTION NINE OF THE, OF CHAPTER FOUR IS INTERNATIONAL. THIS SPECIFIC ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH REGULATES PARKING AT THE AIRPORT. OKAY. SO IF THAT'S TRUE, AND THEN SO IF WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WHAT YOU SUGGESTED, WHAT YOU SUGGESTED WHAT CHRIS SUGGESTS, WHAT WOULD WE DO THEN? WHAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULD DO IS WE WOULD PREPARE A PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR COUNSEL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE BASED OFF OF WHAT I'M HEARING, IT WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE STRIKING INTERNATIONAL WAY OFF OF THE LIST THAT PROHIBITS PARKING. UH, AT ANY TIME, DAY OR NIGHT, IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PARKING, UH, ON INTERNATIONAL WAY THAT, UH, PROHIBITS OVERNIGHT PARKING, I WOULD, I WOULD WRITE A NEW SECTION THAT PROHIBITED OVERNIGHT PARKING ON INTERNATIONAL WAY. THAT'S HOW I WOULD DO IT ON PAPER. I COULD BRING THE COUNCIL A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF WHAT YOU COULD ADOPT. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE A VERSION THAT STRIPS OUT INTERNATIONAL WAY, THAT RETURNS INTERNATIONAL WAY TO THE DEFAULT RULES THAT EVERY OTHER STREET IS REGULATED ON, I COULD BRING YOU AN ORDINANCE THAT DOES THAT. IF YOU WANT TO SEE ONE THAT HAS SOME TIRE UH, CONTROLS ON INTERNATIONAL WAY THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN WE DO OTHER STREETS OF TOWN. I CAN BRING YOU THAT TOO. I THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON HOW TO PARK ON INTERNATIONAL WAY. IN ADDITION TO A ORDINANCE CHANGE OR NO CHANGE, YOU SHOULD SIGN IT. PEOPLE EXPECT TO SEE SIGNS. AND SO I DON'T THINK I'LL HAVE A, A LEGAL DIFFICULTY IN PROSECUTING TICKETS THAT HAPPEN ON AN INTERNATIONAL WAY. BUT, UH, I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE EXPECT TO SEE A SIGN THAT TELLS 'EM WHAT TO DO, AND I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO SIGN IT. OKAY. SO I I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ARGUE ONE MORE TIME FOR JUST REPEALING IT AND SIGNING IT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T, I MEAN, OVER 20 YEARS WE'VE SEEN HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS CHANGED. AND, AND SO FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE THE MEMORY, OH, THAT'S RIGHT. BACK IN 2001 THIS STREET BECAME AN ORDINANCE DRIVEN PARKING, I JUST THINK LEAVE IT TO PUBLIC WORKS. LIKE SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REPEALING THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE OR JUST THE THE INTERNATIONAL WEIGHT PORTION? WELL, ALL OF IT. AND THEN IF WE DON'T WANT PARKING ON WELL, AN EXPENSE, THERE'S AN EXPENSE WITH PUTTING ALL THE SIGNS UP. YEAH. I FEEL LIKE AT THAT POINT IT'S, YOU'RE CLEARLY, UM, TOUCHING AIRPORT PROPERTY AND I, I PREFER THE BELT AND SUSPENDERS APPROACH, UM, AND OR FEWER SIGNS. OKAY. BUT, UM, INTERNATIONAL WAY, IT STILL FEELS LIKE A COMMUNITY ROAD, NOT AN AIRPORT PROPERTY ROAD. RIGHT. AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, IN THE FUTURE IT COULD CHANGE AND FEEL VERY DIFFERENT, BUT, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S FINE. THERE IS THAT REQUEST. I THINK THAT IN HAD THE INTERNATIONAL AID WEST OF BORA. YES. SO WHETHER YOU STRIKE FULL STREET OR THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT PORTION WEST? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD STILL BE A NO PARKING. OKAY. AND IS THERE, I MEAN, ONE SIGNAGE POSSIBILITY IS A SIGN AT THE CORNER OF INTERNATIONAL OR NEAR BEFORE THAT, BUT THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO DO THE CELL PHONE WAITING ON INTERNATIONAL WAY RATHER THAN LINED UP ALONG THE DRIVEWAY AT THE AIRPORT. YOU KNOW, UM, IAN MIGHT HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT, UH, THIS, I THINK BEFORE YOU CAME ON THERE WAS TALK ABOUT A A WE DON'T HAVE A, A CELL PHONE LOT OR A PARK AND WAIT KIND OF A SPACE THAT, UH, ALL OF THE MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR ONE. AND SO THE IDEA IS, UM, DO WE WANT TO CREATE A DEFACTO OR YEAH. DEFACTO ONE UNTIL WE HAVE SOMETHING DESIGNED. AND, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT COUNSEL FRANCIS' COMMENT WAS REFERENCING. YOU ARE, ARE YOU ASKING ME TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THAT TOPIC? O ONLY IF YOU HAVE A THOUGHT. OTHERWISE WE DON'T NEED TO. I, I HAVE TRIED A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES TO, TO FIND ON YOUR PROPERTY FOR A CELL PHONE WAITING LOT. I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR, OUR PASSENGERS WANT. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF MUNICIPAL CODE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND, AND I THINK IF, IF PROCEEDING THAT DIRECTION WITH, WITH THE CURVE ON INTERNATIONAL WAYS IS DESIRABLE, THAT'S, THAT'S [03:45:01] A GREAT INTERIM SOLUTION PRIOR TO US BEING ABLE TO PAVE THE, A PERMANENT CELL PHONE LOT. ALTHOUGH THERE ISN'T MUCH A TURNAROUND SPACE. I'M SORRY. THERE ISN'T MUCH OF A TURNAROUND SPACE IF WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GO THERE, THE TURNING AROUND, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY CLUNKY. WE'LL GET A LOT OF IMPROMPTU U-TURNS. YEAH, I DID, I DID HAVE ANOTHER, UH, A COMMENT TO MAKE JUST JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT WHAT WAS BEING SAID THERE. NOW'S THE TIME. YEAH. OKAY. I, I, I HEARD WHAT I THINK WAS, UH, PRO PROPOSAL TO REPEAL THE ENTIRETY OF NINE DASH FOUR DASH NINE. NO, THAT WENT AWAY. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THAT WENT AWAY. ? NO, THAT, THAT WENT AWAY, IAN. SO THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT ONLY REPEALING THE PART THAT, UH, REFERS TO INTERNATIONAL WAY FROM BORA FROM BORA TO SKYLINE. SO THAT OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST GONNA RAISE THE, THE ISSUES THAT SOME OF THOSE OTHER STREETS WE DO HAVE TO ENFORCE NO PARKING ON FROM AN AIRPORT SECURITY STANDPOINT. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. OKAY. UM, I THINK THEN IF ANYBODY HAS ANY SPECIFICS FOR WHATEVER, UM, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S GONNA DRAFT, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO HIM RIGHT NOW. HE JUST HAS A NO OVERNIGHT, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THOUGHT, THERE'S BEEN SOME THOUGHT GIVEN TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, 10:00 PM TO 8:00 AM OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. BUT, UH, UNTIL WE GET THERE, UM, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, GIVE IT TO HIM. OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'RE, WE NEED TO MOVE ON. IT'S, IT'S QUITE LATE. WE STILL HAVE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. ANY FINAL INPUT FROM ANYBODY AT THE TABLES OR ON T? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF. APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE. AND UH, CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK, UM, ALRIGHT, WE MOVE NOW TO THE, UH, NEXT ITEM, WHICH, UM, IT'S ALL JUST DOWN TO COUNCIL STOP. UM, THE FIRST THING WOULD DO THE ACCEPTANCE OF RECEIPT OF MINUTES. I MOVE COUNSEL RECEIVED THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL LAND PLANNING ACT. SECOND, UM, WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, CITY CLERK. WILL YOU CONDUCT A VOTE ON THE MOTION TO RECEIVE SHAW? YES. LARSON? YES. BRADFORD. AYE. DAMON. YES. FREEMAN? YES. FRANCIS. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UM, [Mayor and City Council] THE NEXT ITEM, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL UPDATES. UM, I, I THINK I'M GONNA TAKE THE LONGEST, SO I'LL TRY TO, TO BE VERY CONCISE. UM, I HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THERE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, BUT LET'S JUST DON'T, DON'T NECESSARILY GET TOO DISTRACTED BY LOOKING AT IT FOR, UH, ALL OF YOUR OWN HERE. LET ME, UM, DO MY BEST HERE TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING. UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UM, JUST THE CALENDAR ITSELF. I PUT THREE MONTHS WORTH THERE. UM, OBVIOUSLY NOVEMBER'S ALMOST OVER DECEMBER HAS A LOT OF, UH, MEETINGS COMING UP IN JANUARY. UH, JUST LIKE, UM, WE HAVE THIS MONTH WHERE WE HAVE ALTERED OUR REGULAR MEETINGS, RIGHT? THE FIRST AND OR SECOND AND FOURTH, UH, THURSDAYS AND THE MONDAY PRIOR. OUR, THAT'S OUR USUAL SCHEDULE THIS MONTH. WE ALTER IT BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING IN DECEMBER. WE ALTER IT BECAUSE OF THE, UM, CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY FALLING IN DURING THAT, WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE OUR COUNCIL WEEK. UM, AND SO WE HAVE TWO, TWO WEEKS OF MEETINGS IN A ROW, JANUARY, UH, BECAUSE ICUA PULLS US TO, UM, BOISE, UH, THAT FIRST FEW DAYS, UM, OF THAT FIRST FULL WEEK, WE END UP, UM, MISSING WHAT WOULD BE OUR WORK SESSION DAY. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A WORK SESSION THAT FIRST WEEK, BUT WE FELT LIKE, UH, IT WAS POSSIBLE THAT WE WERE GONNA NEED TWO WORK SESSIONS. AND SO WE SPRINKLED ONE ON THE 13TH ALL BY ITS LITTLE LONESOME HIMSELF. SO WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING IN JANUARY AND THEN FOLLOWED BY A WORK SESSION THE NEXT WEEK. UM, AND THEN, UM, THE FOLLOWING WEEK AFTER THAT, WE HAVE A, UM, UM, UH, THAT'S OUR HUMAN RIGHTS, MARTIN LUTHER KING, UH, MONDAY. SO WE THOUGHT, WELL THAT WORK SESSION WOULD GET BUMPED TO TUESDAY IF WE WERE GONNA DO ONE THEN, EXCEPT FOR WE HAVE TO GO TO A IC ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. SO THAT MESSES UP OUR THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING. SO WE SCRAP THAT WEEK ENTIRELY AND BUMPED IT TO ANOTHER WEEK. UM, SO JANUARY'S A MESS AND THAT'S WHY I PUT THESE DATES HERE SO THAT YOU CAN GET THOSE SCHEDULED. BUT I WANNA TELL YOU THAT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE YEAR, 'CAUSE WE HAD OUR CALENDARING EXERCISE LAST FRIDAY, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE YEAR, WE LEARNED THAT, UH, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF MONTHS, UH, BESIDES NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, AND JANUARY. UH, NOT A HANDFUL, BUT A FEW OTHERS THAT HAVE, UM, EITHER A PPA OR A IC OR ICUA OR UMS SOMETHING THAT IS PULLING ENOUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS AWAY THAT OUR QUORUM IS THREATENED. UH, AND SO WE SEE A FEW OTHER BUMP BUMP AROUNDS. AND I, I DO APOLOGIZE. WE GOT PRETTY LUCKY AND DIDN'T END UP WITH TOO MANY THAT WERE BACK TO BACK. UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, MOST [03:50:01] EVERYTHING IS SEPARATED BY A WEEK, BUT IT'S A LITTLE NUTS. BUT IN ADDITION TO GIVING YOU THE THREE MONTHS CALENDAR TYPE THINGS, I ALSO, UH, HAVE A SECTION THERE PLANNING AHEAD SO THAT YOU CAN PUT SOME OF THE, UM, BIGGER EVENTS ON YOUR CALENDARS NOW RATHER THAN WAITING FOR CARLA TO GET THOSE POPULATED AND YOU TO SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAPPEN TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR A WEEK AHEAD OR WHATEVER. UM, THIS, UH, WILL GIVE YOU, UH, SOME HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. UM, WE ALSO, UM, HAVE, UH, THEN HANDOUTS IN THAT PACKET, UH, WHERE WE DO GIVE YOU ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS ON ONE PAGE. WE DO GIVE YOU ALL OF THE WORK SESSIONS ON ONE PAGE. UH, WE GIVE YOU ALL OF THE POWER BOARD MEETINGS. UM, AND WE ARE NOT MEETING EVERY MONTH. I THINK WE'RE NOT MEETING, UH, JANUARY, JULY, AND DECEMBER. AND THEN, UM, THE IDAHO FALLS, UM, IDA, UH, WE HAVE THOSE MONTHS. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE ONLY SIX OF 'EM BECAUSE, UH, DIRECTOR, UH, TURNER FELT LIKE WE COULD GET BY WITH EVERY OTHER MONTH. UM, HOWEVER, ONE OF HIS, AT LEAST ONE OF HIS GOT BUMPED, UM, TO, UH, FRIDAY. SO, UH, JUST BE AWARE. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE, IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF MISCELLANEOUS, BUT IT HAS THE A IC DATES AND SO OTHER NOTES AT THE BOTTOM. SO, UH, WE DID OUR BEST TO TRY TO FACTOR IN A LOT OF THINGS. IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE'S BRAINS FOCUSING ON THE CALENDAR TO TRY TO AVOID CONFLICT. UM, SO THAT'S THAT. YOU HAVE A HANDOUT IN YOUR PILE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, UM, AND IT'S ENTITLED THE EASTERN IDAHO LEGISLATIVE FORUM. I GAVE YOU A COPY OF AN AGENDA FROM A MEETING WE HAD LAST WEEK. UM, THIS IS A MEETING THAT, UH, WE TRIED TO DO ANNUALLY FOR EVER SINCE 2008. UH, WE MEET WITH, UH, MAYORS, UH, AND LEGISLATORS FROM EASTERN IDAHO. AND, UM, WE, THIS WAS THE AGENDA WE FOLLOWED. SO WE BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TOPICS. UM, THE IDEA WAS NOT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME PITCHING POLICY PROPOSALS. WHAT WE DID WAS WE IDENTIFIED POLICY AREAS. AND WHAT WE SAID WAS, WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE LOCAL PERSPECTIVE AND TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT SO THAT WHEN THESE ISSUES COME UP DURING THE SESSION, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE, UH, MUNICIPAL CONCERNS. AND SO, UH, BY THAT MEASURE, IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL MEETING. WE HAD SOME GOOD DIALOGUE. UM, WE HAD SOME MEMBERS WHO HAD TO COME AND THEN LEAVE. UH, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYBODY THERE ALL THE TIME. WE HAD FANTASTIC RSVP OUT OF THE 27 LEGISLATORS WE INVITED, WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE 24 OF THEM SAY YES. AND THEN, UM, IT JUST STARTED DROPPING LIKE FLIES. AND PRETTY SOON WE HAD HALF THAT, UH, OR LESS THAN HALF THAT BY THE TIME THAT PEOPLE SHOWED UP. UM, AND SO ANYWAY, THERE'S THAT. UM, AND THEN THE SECOND PAGE OF THAT WAS A, UH, PAPER THAT I PUT TOGETHER, UH, SUMMARIZING OUR THOUGHTS AND ARGUMENTS, UH, FROM A, AGAIN, THE LOCAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT DOMESTIC WELLS AND, UH, POTENTIAL LEGISLATION THAT, THAT WE ARE HEARING THAT THEY MAY BE TAKING ANOTHER RUN AT THIS. UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REGULATE DOMESTIC WELLS. IN THE PAST THEY'VE SAID, HEY, THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE A, UH, PARCEL OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HOMESTEAD, RIGHT? SO IT WAS PUTTING OUR CONSTITUTION, DIG A WELL SET UP YOUR HOME AND YOU CAN PUMP WATER TO, UH, UH, UH, UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO IRRIGATE THAT SO YOU COULD HAVE A GARDEN AND LIFT. UM, THAT HAS CHANGED NOW TO THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE DEVELOPERS SAYING, HEY, LET'S PUT 10 OF THOSE HOMESTEADS TOGETHER, CREATE A LITTLE PUMPING SYSTEM. AND, UM, AND THEY CREATE, UH, SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE WATER WITH PROBABLY, UH, UM, SEPTIC TANKS OUT IN PLACES THAT ARE UNINCORPORATED, THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER. AND AS A RESULT, YOU END UP WITH A LOT OF SEPTICS OVER THE AQUIFER, AND YOU END UP WITH A LOT OF, UM, UM, WELLS THAT ARE NOT REGULATED. AND SO, UH, THIS IS THE ARGUMENT FOR WHY THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC, BECAUSE IF YOU END UP WITH A LOT OF URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT OR SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT NOT BEING IN CITIES, AND IT CREATES, I THINK, SOME, SOME INEQUITIES. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT, IT'S, THAT'S THAT PAGE ABOUT THE NEXT THING IN YOUR PACKET IS, UM, UH, SORRY. A, UM, THERE'S ONE MORE THING. IS IT THERE, UM, THE SSA REPORT, UM, SO SALSA, S-A-U-S-A, THAT'S HOW HE, THAT'S THE CONVENTIONAL WAY OF PRONOUNCING IT. IT STANDS FOR SPECIAL UA SPECIAL ASSISTANT US ATTORNEY. AND, UM, IF YOU WERE AT THE TOWN HALL LAST WEEK, YOU, UH, SAW AND HEARD FROM OUR US ATTORNEY, JOSH WICK. UM, HIS PREDECESSOR WAS BART DAVIS. HIS PREDECESSOR WAS WENDY OLSON, UM, UNDER WENDY OLSON, EASTERN IDAHO. UH, BEGAN, UH, FUNDING EASTERN IDAHO CITIES AND COUNTIES. BEGAN FUNDING A SPECIAL ASSISTANT US ATTORNEY. WE ALL, UM, JOINED, CREATED A A [03:55:01] AN MOU, UH, OR ASSIGNED AN MOU THAT CREATED THE EASTERN IDAHO PARTNERSHIP. AND THE EASTERN IDAHO PARTNERSHIP COMES UP WITH, UH, MONEY. AND WE, WE TAX, UH, OR NOT TAX, BUT WE CHARGE OURSELVES ACCORDING TO OUR POPULATION, AND WE PAY INTO A FUND, UM, THAT THEN GOES TO HELP PAY FOR PART OF THE SALARY OF THIS SPECIAL ASSISTANT US ATTORNEY. UH, IT'S ROUGHLY 25% OF THAT SALARY. THE OTHER 75% WE OBTAIN, UH, FROM THE, UH, STATE LEGISLATURE OR FROM THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS OR WHATEVER DEPARTMENT IT IS. UM, AND THEY, UH, THEN HELP TO FUND THAT. AND WHAT IT DOES FOR US IS ALLOW ALL OF THE COUNTY PROSECUTORS, WHEN THEY GET CASES FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT INVOLVE FEDERAL CRIMES, WE CAN CHOOSE TO SEND IT TO THAT SSA, RIGHT? THAT, THAT SPECIAL ASSISTED US ATTORNEY WHO COULD THEN PROSECUTE UNDER FEDERAL LAW RATHER THAN STATE LAW. AND FEDERAL LAW IS, UM, TENDS TO HAVE STRICTER SENTENCES. UM, SO, OR, OR LONGER SENTENCES, I SHOULD SAY. AND THEY WILL BE SENT OUT OF STATE TO A FEDERAL PRISON. AND IT BREAKS UP THE COMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS FOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. AND IT JUST, IT GETS PEOPLE AWAY FOR LONGER WHO, WHO WERE MAYBE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOME CRIME HERE. AND SO IT, IT'S BEEN, IT'S A BENEFIT. IT ALSO HAS A REALLY INTERESTING BENEFIT OF PUTTING PEOPLE IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM, NOT IN THE STATE SYSTEM. SO IT SAVES THE STATE LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO HOUSE, UM, CRIMINALS IN THE STATE, UH, UH, PRISON. AND SO IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR THE FEDERAL TAXPAYERS, I SUPPOSE. BUT, BUT, UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, VERY HELPFUL. THIS IS MODELED AFTER SOMETHING THAT THE TREASURE VALLEY HAD DONE. AND, UM, THE NORTHERN IDAHO IS NOW ORGANIZING ITSELF TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT IT'S VERY HELPFUL WHEN YOU HAVE DRUGS, GUNS, AND, UM, GANGS. THOSE ARE THE, THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, UH, TEND TO ALL OCCUR TOGETHER. AND, UM, THEY WERE SEEING A LOT OF IT AT THE TREASURE VALLEY. AND THEN SEVERAL YEARS LATER WE STARTED TO SEE THAT THIS WAS GETTING TO AN UNACCEPTABLY HIGH LEVEL HERE. SO YOU'VE GOT A REPORT THERE THAT KIND OF GIVES AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST LITTLE TIME. UH, IT'S A VERY WORTHWHILE PROGRAM. UH, WE ONLY PAY, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, $6,000 TOWARD THAT EACH YEAR, BUT WE GET A LOT OF BENEFIT FROM IT. UM, THE NEXT THING THAT I'LL UH, MENTION THEN IS THE, UH, TOWN HALL THAT WE HAD LAST MONDAY. UM, I, MANY OF YOU WERE ABLE TO ATTEND. UM, WE HAD RELAT, WE HAD LOTS OF MP SEATS, BUT, UH, WE HAD A BIG VENUE. UH, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE, I THINK, UM, LEARNED SOME GOOD THINGS. AND, UH, THE QUESTION IS THAT I HAVE FOR, AND I'VE ALREADY PRE DISCUSSED THIS WITH OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT, AND I THINK WE'RE OF A, LIKE MIND. UH, THAT IS, UM, THERE, THERE WAS A TIME A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN I WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE, UH, TRY TO DO ONE A QUARTER. AND, UM, AFTER SEEING WHAT, UH, WHAT KIND OF TURNOUT WE HAD, UM, IT STRIKES ME THAT RATHER THAN CREATING TOPICS AND TAKING THEM TO THE PUBLIC, UH, AND THEN HOPING THAT THEY'LL TURN OUT THAT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO SAVE THIS TOOL FOR, UH, THE TOOL OF A TOWN HALL MEETING, UH, FOR WHEN WE HAVE A PRESSING ISSUE AND MAKE THEM, UH, AVAILABLE, PUT THAT ON OUR LIST OF POSSIBILITIES WHEN WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING, BUT NOT NECESSARILY JUST SCHEDULE 'EM AND MAKE THEM HAPPEN. UH, BUT RATHER WAIT UNTIL WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO PUT ONE ON OUR CALENDAR. SO YOU ALREADY HAVE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND THEN YOU CAN ADD THIS TO THE, TO THE AGENDA, BASICALLY. INTEREST OR CONCERN. YEAH. 'CAUSE IF WE JUST PRE-SCHEDULE IN ONE QUARTER AND START TRYING TO DREAM, YOU KNOW, DRUM UP OR DREAM UP A, A MEATY TOPIC, EVEN SOMETHING LIKE FENTANYL, WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLY POWERFUL TOPIC, DIDN'T PULL OUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, MANY PEOPLE. SO, UM, MY THOUGHT IS I WILL NOT CALENDAR THESE. WE'LL DO THEM IMPROMPTU OR, OR AS AD HOC AS NEEDED. I WOULD JUST TALK TO AN ALTERNATIVE. I DON'T DISAGREE. SO IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE WHAT YOU GUYS SAID, THAT'S FINE. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO JUST HAVE A, A, A FORUM, A REGULAR ONE, A FORUM. JUST LET PEOPLE COME ASK AND JUST HAVE A FORUM. 'CAUSE SEE WHAT ISSUES EMERGE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE PEOPLE LIKE. WE'VE NEVER REALLY DONE THAT ON MY TIME. OR JUST LISTEN, CLOSEST WE'VE EVER COME WAS LIKE AT THE LIBRARY FOR THE BUDGET, RIGHT. WHERE WE INVITED PEOPLE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT CITY ISSUES, BUT, WELL, AND, AND WE ENDED UP DISCONTINUING THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE ATTENDANCE WAS SO LOW, SO POOR. BUT I WILL FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WAS INVOLVED. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE OPEN, OPEN, UH, COMMENT AT OUR MEETINGS, AND THAT IS A, A SIMILAR TYPE FORUM, EXCEPT WE CAN'T TALK. NO, WE CAN'T TALK. THAT'S WHERE I THINK WOULD BE KIND INTERESTING. WE TALK, HEY, YOU MISSED B NPO, WE GOTTA TALK. WHAT'S THAT? WE GET TO TALK AT B NPO THE OTHER DAY. OH, YEAH. SO MAYBE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS, UH, SAY, UH, ONCE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU JUST, UH, INVITE PEOPLE TO COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING EARLY. YEAH, THAT'D BE HOUR OR SIX. WE JUST HAVE A [04:00:01] HALF HOUR'S WORTH OF DIALOGUE. ONE THING THAT WAS NICE WITH THAT, WITH THE BNPO AND WHY WE FELT LIKE WE SHOULD RESPOND AT THAT TIME IS 'CAUSE WE HAD SO MANY EXPERTS IN THE ROOM. SO IF WE SAID, THIS IS A MEETING TO COME TALK TO CITY COUNCIL AND EXPERTS, THE ENGINEER, OR YEAH, I GUESS THIS BREAKS OUR, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU, IT ISN'T THAT YOU CAN'T TALK, IT'S THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TALK. WE PUT OUR SIDEBOARDS ON THERE. YEAH. SO I AGREE WITH IT. 'CAUSE IT WOULD GET UP. SO IF, IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY'RE DEMANDING ANSWERS, SOMETIMES YOU'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO ANSWER THEM BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. AND IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY SAY, WHY ARE YOU LETTING THE ILLEGALS STAY IN HOTEL ROOMS HERE IN TOWN? WELL, THE ANSWER MIGHT BE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND SO IT ISN'T THAT YOU CAN'T COMMENT OR RESPOND OR ANSWER, IT JUST ISN'T AN ANSWER, A QUESTION, UH, FORMAT. AND, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA COME AND ASK A QUESTION AND HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ANSWER. SOME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET. I THINK COUNCIL HAS EXERCISED ITS PRIVILEGE ON THAT IN A, IN A WAY THAT WORKS. BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE TONIGHT THINKING, OH, IF SOMEBODY ASKS ME A QUESTION, I KNOW THE ANSWER. I CAN NEVER ANSWER IT ON THE PODIUM. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE LIMITATION. IT'S THAT NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO GET AN ANSWER FROM YOU DURING OPEN COMMENT. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY WHATEVER IT IS THEY WANT TO SAY. COUNSEL CAN EXERCISE ITS PRIVILEGE OF WHETHER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT THEN OR NOT. AND GENERALLY YOU REFER IT OUT TO A DIRECTOR, WHICH I THINK IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BUT IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER AND YOU WANT TO ANSWER SOMEONE'S QUESTION, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THE CHAIR TO GIVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO, AND YOU, YOU KNOW, I TAKE THAT PREROGATIVE, UM, FROM TIME TO TIME TO, TO ADDRESS SOMETHING AND EXHIBIT IN THE BUD OR, OR 'CAUSE WE KNOW THE ANSWER. UM, SO, UH, IF THERE IS, UH, ADDITIONAL DESIRE TO, TO CHANGE THE WAY WE OPERATE, JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN PUT THAT ON, UH, OUR AGENDA FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION. BUT FOR NOW, UH, MY INTENT IS NOT TO PENCIL IN, UH, SCHEDULED TOWN HALL MEETINGS. UM, RATHER WE'LL WAIT AND PENCIL IT IN WHEN WE FEEL WE HAVE AN ISSUE. UM, THAT'S BUBBLY. THE LAST THING IS, UM, THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN. UM, IT'S BEEN IN VAGUE FORMAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND WE ARE NOW TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE, UM, AN ORDERLY PRESENTATION OF THE FORMAT AND IT WILL BE AVAILABLE, UM, AT MY, OUR MARGARET AND I ARE HOLDING A, UH, TRAINING SESSION WITH, UM, FIRST, UH, WITH DIRECTORS AND THEIR, UM, DIRECT REPORTS, UM, ON THE 11TH OF DECEMBER. AND WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT IT THEN. BUT BECAUSE, UM, AS WE'VE WORKED TO PUT IT IN FINAL FORMAT, UM, JIM, UH, FRANCIS AND I HAVE DONE SOME WORDSMITHING AND, AND WRITING, UH, FOR ELEMENTS OF IT. AND IT FOLLOWS VERY MUCH THE SAME FORMAT THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH FROM THE SOUTHWEST POWER POOL THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR THE POWER. UM, IT, IT'S SIMILARLY CONSTRUCTED. UM, JIM AND I HAVE, HAVE WORKED ON SOME OF THAT. UH, IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL BEFORE I CAN PRESENT IT TO THE, UH, CITY DIRECTORS AND, AND, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTORS AND SUCH AS A, AS BEING THE, UH, REPORT. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, AT OUR NEXT WORK SESSION ON THE NINTH TO NINTH YES. TO GET YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND THEN IF YOU GIVE IT A THUMB THUMBS UP THEN, OR A PROVISIONAL THUMBS UP, THEN I CAN HAVE SOME MEASURE OF SAFETY IN PRESENTING IT TO EVERYBODY ON WEDNESDAY THE 11TH. UM, BUT IT'S NOT A HEAVY READ, BUT THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS TO IT THAT I THINK YOU'LL, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET IT IN YOUR MONDAY PACKET. UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO SEND IT OUT TO YOU SOONER, UM, HOPEFULLY EITHER BY, WELL, IF NOT BY WEDNESDAY, THEN SOMETIME OVER THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND. WILL YOU, SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE A WEEK OR SO TO LOOK AT IT. WILL YOU PUT IT IN THE, UM, CLOUD THING SO THAT NOT IN AN EMAIL OR, OR BOTH OR, YEAH, SO THAT, I MEAN, I'LL YOU LOSE TRACK. YES. OKAY. I CAN DO THAT. I CAN JUST SEND YOU A, A TEXT TELLING YOU IT'S IN THERE. UM, AND I CAN DO THAT REAL SOON. UM, BUT, UH, I, I WANTED JIM TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF HE CATCHES ANY TYPOS OR, UM, JUST THINKS THAT I'VE USED THE WRONG WORD SOMEWHERE. SO HOPEFULLY BY WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, I'LL HAVE THAT IN THE DROPBOX OR WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED. UM, AND THAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN. UM, AND IF YOU HATE SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE, THEN WE'LL LOOK IT OUT. UH, I'LL PUT THAT ON OUR AGENDA FOR, FOR, UH, MONDAY THE, THE NIGHT. UH, WITH THAT, I AM, UM, DONE, OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT TOMORROW'S AGENDA HAS FIVE CONSENT ITEMS, NINE REGULAR ITEMS, UH, FOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE BRINGING THOSE NINE ITEMS. IT'S MOSTLY CDS, BUT, UH, CDS HAS, UM, UM, MOSTLY, UM, FLAT. IT'S JUST ONE HEARING FOR AN ANNEXATION, ANNEXATION AND INITIAL ZONING. AND IT, I THINK IT'S A FAIRLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL [04:05:01] ITEM. ALL OF THIS TELLS ME THAT, UH, WITH THAT MANY ITEMS, WE CAN EASILY BE DONE IN AN HOUR UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES OR WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT. SO TOMORROW SHOULD BE NOT BE CRAZY. UM, WITH THAT, I'M DONE. AND SO WE'LL GO AROUND. MICHELLE HAS MADE A NOTE THAT, UH, A COUPLE OF NOTES. CAN YOU READ THOSE TO US? CORIN, I CAN'T SEE THEM FROM HERE. YES, SHE SAYS THAT SHE HAS NOTHING TO REPORT AND THAT, UM, COUNCILMAN FRANCIS CAN UPDATE ON PARKS. OKAY. SO WHEN WE GET THERE, WE'LL GO WITH THAT. SO WE'LL JUST START WITH LISA AND GO AROUND THE TABLE AND IF YOU HAVE THINGS TO SHARE, UM, LET'S LISTEN TO EACH OTHER. UM, YOU ALL GOT THAT TEXT FROM THE MAYOR TODAY ABOUT, UM, THE EMAIL. THE EMAIL THAT WAS QUITE CAUS CAUSTIC. CAUSTIC, YEAH. SO YOU DON'T WANNA READ IT ANYWAY, SO YEAH, I DON'T, I DID TERRIBLE THING. UM, WE'VE COVERED SO MUCH IN THIS MEETING. THE ONLY THING IS BMPO, WE DO NOT HAVE A DECEMBER MEETING, BUT WE ARE, WE DO HAVE THE BOARD MEETING BECAUSE THERE IS, THERE ARE ISSUES, NOT ISSUES, BUT THINGS STILL MOVING FORWARD, UM, THROUGH FRA. THERE ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF DISTRICTS THAT KEEP COMING UP AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THEM IN COUNCIL MEETINGS AS WE WORK THROUGH THE ELIGIBILITY. THERE'S, BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THEM MORE IN THE SMALL DISTRICTS IN ORDER TO SATISFY THE, THE CONDENSED TIMING. NOW A DEVELOPER DOES NOT WANT TO GET INTO A DISTRICT AND THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE HIM 30 YEARS TO PAY IT BACK. SO WE WANT, BECAUSE OF THE 20 YEAR TIMEFRAME, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A SMALL DISTRICT WHERE THEY KNOW THAT WHAT'S IN THEIR 20 YEAR HORIZON. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THEM. UM, THEY ALMOST, NOT EVERY BOARD MEETING, BUT ALMOST EVERY BOARD MEETING, THERE'S A NEW DISTRICT BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. SO THEY, SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THAT. SO JUST, UM, JUST KIND OF BE PREPARED. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING THAT THE WHEELS ARE TURNING OVER HERE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY HIT THE COUNCIL AGENDAS. THAT, AND SO THE HEARING, IT SEEMS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GRANT BUSINESS. YEAH, YEAH. AND WE WEREN'T SEEING VERY MANY, BUT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY COMING FORWARD. UM, THAT'S PROBABLY EVERYTHING ELSE I THINK WE'VE REALLY DISCUSSED. ALRIGHT. COUNSELOR. PRE I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING. I JUST REMIND THE GUYS THAT PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T IN THE BMPO MEETING LAST WEEK ABOUT THE, THIS IS MY TAKE THE, THE FOCUS, BECAUSE WE BROUGHT UP 81ST SOUTH ABOUT PLANNING FOR IT IN THE FUTURE, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO STUDY OF THAT AREA, IT BROUGHT PEOPLE OUT THAT ARE ON 81ST SOUTH IN DROVES. AND THEY CAME AND TESTIFIED, UH, AT THE, AT THE BMPO MEETING AT THE STEERING, I GUESS IT WAS A, IT WAS A, IT WAS A FULL, IT WAS A FULL BMPO AND THE, AND THE TACK TOGETHER. ANYWAY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, IT STIRRED UP A LOT OF INTEREST EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT ALL, IT WAS, WAS A POINT OF CONVERSATION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, MAYBE WE GOTTA LOOK DOWN THE ROAD 30 YEARS, 40 YEARS FOR 81ST SOUTH, BECAUSE YOU, WE KIND OF HAVE STEERED TOWARDS 80 OR TOWARDS 65TH NOW THAT SEEMS TO HAVE DIED DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SEEMS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE RIGHT OF WAY START GETTING TAKEN. BUT YEAH, PEOPLE ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE JUST READY FOR A FIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE 81ST SOUTH, IT WASN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T REALLY EVEN A PROPOSAL. IT WAS JUST A POINT OF CONVERSATION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, MAYBE WE NEED TO START LOOKING FURTHER SOUTH, YOU KNOW, FOR WADE DOWN THE ROAD AND WHERE THEY GRABBED ONTO THAT AND SHOWED UP. SO YEAH, I I, I GOT THE IMPRESSION, UM, AT ONE POINT, AND I DIDN'T, BUT I DIDN'T FOLLOW UP ON IT THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME UNOFFICIAL E UH, UNOFFICIAL MAIL SENT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT CAUSED EXTRA CONCERN, BUT IT WASN'T THE OFFICIAL BAPO MAILER, UM, THAT THAT CREATED SOME, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHOWING MAPS WITH LINES DRAWN THROUGH THEM AND STUFF THAT THIS IS WHERE THE EXPRESSWAY WILL BE BUILT. AND, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THAT HAS BEEN DECIDED. AND SO THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME BAD INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING A HOLD OF. AND I JUST A REALLY QUICK, THERE'S A AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION GOING ON BETWEEN, UM, NOTIFICATION AROUND, AROUND NOTIFICATION AND YOU KNOW, USUALLY THERE'S, YOU LIVE WITHIN A CERTAIN, WHAT, 300 FEET OF SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING. YOU, YOU GET A, A MAIL NOTICE AND, UM, PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T GET ONE, BUT I GOT THREE NOTICES AND ALL OF THIS CONFUSION ABOUT, WELL, THEY MIGHT HAVE OWNED THREE PARCELS OR SOMETHING, BUT, UM, ALL THIS CONFUSION WITH AMONGST ALL THE PEOPLE SITTING ACROSS THE BACK OF THE ROOM. AND IT, UM, THEN SO THEN, UH, THE COUNTY PLANNER SAID, YOU KNOW, WE FOLLOW THE LAW AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND THEN YOU HAD SOMEBODY ELSE, [04:10:01] UH, IN THE AUDIENCE SAYING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW. YOU CAN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND DO EXTRA. AND THAT IS WHERE WE LEFT IT. BUT AFTER THE MEETING, I LEARNED THAT THE COUNTY, UM, HAD BEEN CAUTIONED BY THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL NOT TO DO EXTRA. BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO EXTRA, YOU CREATE SOME KIND OF AN EXPECTATION THAT, UM, CAN CONNECT THINGS UP CAPRICIOUS AND ARBITRARY. OH, OKAY. IS WHAT HE, IS THAT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE CAPRICIOUS. HE JUST SAID THAT ONCE YOU DO BEYOND THAT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE YOU, YOU'RE PICKING THE WINNERS AND THE LOSERS. DID YOU GO TO 400 FEET? WHY DIDN'T YOU GO TO 500 FEET? YEAH. IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO 900 FEET? AND IT JUST BECAME, MY QUESTION FOR THAT IS WE ASK PEOPLE TO SIGN UP SOMETIMES SO THEY'RE INFORMED, BUT THAT'S CONSENT IN THAT RESPECT BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE BEING PROACTIVE. WELL, AND I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT TOO IS WE, WE, I, AND I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE BMPO MEETINGS WEREN'T NOTICED ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE. RIGHT. SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE. THEY'RE AN ALERT AND MAY THEY ARE. SO THEN YOU CAN SIGN UP PHYSICAL SITE EITHER AND THEY NEED TO BE, BUT YOU CAN SIGN UP TO BE NOTIFIED WHEN BNPO MEETINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THAT PARTNERING THAT WE NEED TO WORK BETTER WITH OUR PARTNERS. UH, 'CAUSE WE CAN HELP THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D EVER HAD A, ANYBODY SHOW UP TO, IN THE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BPO, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EVER SHOWN UP FOR A, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE HAD 20 PEOPLE THE OTHER NIGHT. A LOT OF SENTIMENT. AND SO IF YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT ON B NM PO ENCOUNTER IT, LISA AND JIM ARE REALLY WELL VERSED. SO YOU CAN, UH, GET YOUR ANSWERS THERE, JOHN, ANYTHING YOU HAVE. YES. SO DID YOU ASK IF SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO GET NOTICE OF BMPO MEETINGS? WAS THAT THE SAME AS GETTING CONSENT TO, TO THEIR PLANS? I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT WE HAD AVAILABLE WAS THAT WE COULD SIGN UP FOR TEXT ALERTS FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS. LIKE WE HAVE SNOW ALERTS, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC WORKS. I ASSUME THAT TOO. THAT THOSE THINGS, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE CITY. RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE THOSE THINGS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEND OUT ANY NOTICES, ANY PUBLIC NOTICES THROUGH THOSE ALERT SYSTEMS. BUT IF THIS IS TRUE, THEN I DON'T, THEN THAT KIND OF MAKES ME FEEL LESS SECURE THAT THAT'S A WAY THAT I CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT NOTICE SYSTEM, ME AS A CITIZEN TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I, I GUESS WHAT I'D START WITH SAYING IS THAT BMPO IS A SEPARATE LEGAL ORGANIZATION FROM THE CITY, ALTHOUGH THE CITY DOES CONTRACT WITH THEM TO PROVIDE THEM A VARIETY OF SERVICES. UM, OCCASIONALLY THEY WILL CALL ME UP FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND I HAVE TO REMIND THEM THAT I'M NOT THEIR ATTORNEY. AND, UH, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME AWKWARD DANCES AROUND THAT A FEW TIMES. UH, THE CITY COULD, UH, CONTRACT WITH THEM TO PROVIDE THEM A WAY TO GIVE NOTICE. I'M SORRY, I'M LESS INTERESTED IN BEING PO. OKAY. I GET WHAT THEY CAN DO THAT. BUT IN GENERAL, WHEN THERE'S FOR PLANNING AND ZONING AND THESE HEARINGS, LIKE I WANT SOMETIMES TO BE INVOLVED, RIGHT? IF I'M A CITIZEN, SURE I'M HERE AT EVERY MEETING. BUT, BUT FOR CITIZENS, THEY MIGHT WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND SO, BUT THEY'RE ONLY GETTING A LETTER 300 FEET BY THE STATE LAW. BUT IF THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOR THAT, THEN WE SEND THAT TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE. IF THEY, IF IF, UM, I MEAN WE COULD DEVELOP WITH OUR TEXT ALERT SYSTEM, THE ABILITY TO SIGN UP FOR TEXT ALERTS ON, AND I GUESS HOW GRANULAR WE GET WITH THAT. BUT IT'S A NOTICED MEETING. YOU CAN SIGN UP AND RECEIVE, RECEIVE THE, SO YOU SEE THE AGENDA. THAT IS AN OPTION I THINK ALREADY. THAT'S ENOUGH TO ME. IF IT'S ON, IF THEY GET AGENDA EMAIL, IT'S EMAIL NOT TEXT. YEAH, THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN EMAIL ALERT AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR, AND ACTUALLY I'M SIGNED UP FOR TOO, IS THAT YOU CAN GET A NOTICE OF EVERY PUBLIC MEETING THAT THE CITY'S HAVING. IT WILL SEND YOU A LINK TO THE AGENDA. YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDA, DECIDE WHETHER IT'S WORTH YOUR TIME TO INVEST TO COME OR, UH, MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO COME. SO THAT PART OF IT, JOHN DOES, DOES HAPPEN. ALRIGHT. I HAVE NOTHING. OKAY. SO JUST A COUPLE QUICK THINGS FROM PARKS AND REC. THE UV THING IS THE 20TH. IT IS ACTUALLY A, UM, DONATION THING FOR THE FOOD BANK. SO THAT'S THE ADMISSION CHARGE. I THINK IT'S 10 CANS. SO THEY HAVE, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THEIR 400 NUMBER REGISTERED. AND UH, THEN THE OTHER THING IS, I JUST GOTTA NOTE, PJ SAID THAT PARTS AND REC ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WE'RE GONNA PULL OUT TOMORROW. SO YOU MAY ALREADY BE AWARE OF THAT, BUT THAT WILL COME UP TOMORROW. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS PARTS AND REC IS STARTING TO LAY OUT THE DETAILS OF WHERE THE TRAILS WILL GO WHEN THEY FINISH THE WALKING PEDESTRIAN TRAILS THROUGH TOFU AND THEY'RE FINDING OUT THAT IT'S GOOD TO BE ON THE GROUND AND FIGURE OUT THAT TREE SHOULD NOT COME OUT IN ORDER TO MAKE A TRAIL. WE'LL JUST MAKE IT A CURVY. AND THAT'S IS THERE, IS THERE SOME DOLLARS? ARE WE LOOKING LIKE WE THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE, I THINK IT IS [04:15:01] OUR, THE TRAILS FOR THE PARKS, THE REST, THE TOP IS BUILD OUT AND THAT'S ALL THIS, THIS MAY BE KNOWN, BUT UH, THE, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO CALL IT, BUT THE GUARDRAIL ON PAN KERRY, THAT IS RIGHT AGAINST THE ROAD, THAT HAD TO BE A SEPARATE CONTRACT FUNDING SOURCE WAS DIFFERENT. DIDN'T WORK TO PUT THEM TOGETHER. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TIME THIS YEAR. THAT'S A SPRING PROJECT, BUT IT'LL PUT DOWN BOTH SIDES. OKAY. ON PANCREAT BRIDGE. PAN BRIDGE, YEP. SO THAT'S KIND OF A SPRING THING. AND IS PANCREAT BRIDGE OPEN NOW? IT IS. OH YEAH. YEAH. IT'S ALL, THERE'S NO, THEY WERE PICKING UP A FEW LEFTOVER CONES AND STUFF TODAY, BUT IT'S, THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT WAS WHEN SHE CAME BACK. BUT THE SIDEWALKS ARE THERE WIDER. IT'S JUST THEY'RE NOT RAILED. RIGHT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. BUT, WELL, THE RAILS ARE UP ON THE RIVER SIDE, BUT NOT , BUT NOT BETWEEN THE ROAD SIDEWALK. YEAH. DESPERATE. ALRIGHT. YOU CAN'T EVEN FALL IN THE RIVER. THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, UM, IF YOU WERE NOT ON THE STAGE, UH, ON UH, SATURDAY, UH, AT 6:00 PM UM, FOR THE TREE LIGHTING, YOU MISSED OUT ON JUST A BEAUTIFUL SITE. UM, THE WINTER MARKET HAD SUCH AN INCREDIBLE TURNOUT. THEY, UH, THEY, THE FARMER'S MARKET FOLKS CAME OUT IN GROWTH AND THE STREET WAS LITERALLY FILLED WITH PEOPLE FOR AT LEAST A BLOCK AND A HALF. IT WAS PEOPLE, I MEAN PERSON TO PERSON. IT WAS AN AMAZING SITE. AND IT WAS, UM, NIPPY AND, BUT NOT FREEZING BEYOND BELIEF. AND IT WAS, UH, FESTIVE. UH, THEY HAD THE, UM, GOLD STAR FAMILY TREE. IT WAS JUST A, UM, IT WAS A VERY MOVING, UM, EXPERIENCE TO SEE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS OUT ENJOYING THEMSELVES IN A HOLIDAY SETTING. IT WAS LIKE A HALLMARK MOVIE AND THE, THE FLAG WAVING IN THE BREEZE, IT WAS JUST REALLY A GREAT THEM. SO, UM, YAY. WE HAD A, EVEN THE, EVEN THE FIRE ENGINES, LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN PACHANGAS, THEY EMPTIED THE RESTAURANT TO COME OUT ON THE STREET. AND I KNEW THAT THEY WERE OUT THERE, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY HAD EMPTIED TO COME OUT. AND THE PEOPLE IN THE OLD SNAKE BITE YEAH, WERE WAVING. I MEAN, JUST TO HAVE SANTA CLAUS COME IN, IT WAS JUST REALLY, JIM AND I COMMENTED TODAY THAT WE FELT A LITTLE LEFT OUT THAT YOU DIDN'T MENTION US BEING OUT IN THE CROWD WATCHING YOU FROM THE FIRE TRUCKS. THE CROWD WAS SO THICK IT WAS HARD TO THE STATION. SHE WAS SO EFFICIENT. YOU DIDN'T GET UP TO THE STATE. I SEE. NONE. HE AND I DID. WE WERE, I WAS ON THE FIRETRUCK. I JUST STAYED ON THE FIRE TRUCK. WE JUMPED ON TOP OF THE PLANE. I HAD MY GRANDKIDS UP THERE. WE WERE THERE. IT'S OKAY. WELL WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS HAD THE COUNCIL UP THERE. AND SO IT'S KIND OF FUN TO HAVE A, I THOUGHT YOU SAY YOU INTRODUCED YOU GUYS AND YOU SAY, AND FREEMAN AND FRANCIS ARE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. . I'M SO SORRY THAT I DID THAT. WE'LL, WE'LL DO BETTER NEXT YEAR. WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE SCRIPT. I THINK THIS WAS MR. CHAPIN'S FIRST, UH, RODEO AND IT WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT. IT WAS, I COULDN'T BELIEVE ALL THAT MANY PEOPLE, VENDORS, THE VENDORS LOVED IT. WELL IT WAS WAY BETTER WITH THE VENDORS THAN IT WAS, WASN'T BEFORE, WASN'T IT? I BOUGHT ART, I BOUGHT SOME GOURMET VANILLA. I JUST, THAT THERE, THERE WAS A PALPABLE SENSE OF LET DOWN WITH THE TREE LIGHTING ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T SEE THE TREE. RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S TREES IN THE WAY AND BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT ALL OF THE LIGHTS ON ALL OF THE TREES AROUND YOU ARE GONNA SUDDENLY LIGHT UP. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT, IT'S ALL OF THE TRUCK. WELL IT'S JUST, WE USED TO WIPE THE BIG TALL TREES, BUT UH, THAT BECAME INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. WHAT? YOU KNOW, WE DID THE 10 COUNTDOWN AND THEN EVERYBODY WENT OH YEAH. WHAT WENT ON? THAT'S HOW IT WAS LAST YEAR. WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? 134,000 MICS. HUNDRED. OH RIGHT. I ASKED WAS LIKE ONE 30. I THINK IT WAS. ALRIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. SORRY. YOU DOING AN HOUR AND A HALF PAST. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.