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[Call to Order and Roll Call]
GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY.WELCOME TO THE ADAM FALLS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
UM, WE HAVE A, UH, AN AGENDA THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'LL TAKE THAT LONG TODAY, WHICH IS, UH, MAYBE FORTUNATE BECAUSE THERE IS A PUBLIC MEETING AT 6:00 PM UH, THAT MANY OF US, UH, MAY WANT TO GO TO OR AT LEAST TRY TO HAVE TIME FOR.
UM, AND SO WITH ANY LUCK, WE SHOULD, UH, TRY TO WRAP UP BY, UM, FIVE 30, IF NOT BEFORE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE GOAL TODAY.
UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, CONVERSATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WON'T TAKE VERY LONG AT ALL.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, ABOUT TWO QUICK THINGS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEN WE'VE GOT OUR OWN REPORTS, AND THEN WE HAVE TIME SET ASIDE FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, UH, FOCUS REPORT.
UM, SO WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND ASK OUR CITY CLERK, UH, TO CALL THE LAW FOR US.
UM, AND WE'LL INITIALLY GET THE MEETING STARTED.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT BURNOFF HERE.
DWAYNE, WHY DON'T YOU COME ON, OR CHIEF, I SHOULD SAY, COME ON FORWARD AND, UH, TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, STRENGTH OF THE PRO CARE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND WHY, UH, YOU'RE GOING BE, WHY YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA ON THURSDAY ABOUT THIS.
[Fire Department]
IS A STRIKER PROCARE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT ACTUALLY, UM, WE HOLD EVERY YEAR.
UM, THIS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IS USUALLY A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH STRYKER, AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY MAINTAIN, UM, AND HAVE ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR REPAIR OF OUR LIFE PACK MONITORS.
THOSE ARE THE CARDIAC MONITORS THAT WE USE AND THE AEDS THAT WE USE ON THE AMBULANCE.
AND, UH, STRYKER APPROACHED US, THAT CONTRACT IS USUALLY ABOUT $38,000.
THEY APPROACHED US WITH A THREE YEAR POSSIBILITY OF A CONTRACT THAT WOULD BE, UH, WOULD REDUCE THAT YEARLY TO 33,900.
SO WE'D SAVE ABOUT $12,000 OVER THE COURSE OF US THREE YEARS.
WE DO USUALLY MAINTAIN, WE HAVE MAINTAINED THAT CONTRACT EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
SO THIS REALLY IS JUST A COST SAVINGS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OVER THOSE THREE YEARS THAT ARE UPCOMING.
IT DOES HAVE ALL THE REQUIRED, IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY LEGAL AND DOES HAVE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS INSIDE THAT AGREEMENT THAT IF WE WANTED TO EXIT IT EARLY, WE COULD.
UM, BUT THE TOTAL COST FOR THE THREE YEAR AGREEMENT WOULD BE $101,779 20 CENTS.
AND IT REPRESENTS, LIKE I SAID, JUST UNDER 12,000, BUT $11,300 OVER THREE YEARS.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, THIS COMING 'CAUSE OF THE, 'CAUSE OF THE COST OF THAT THREE YEAR AGREEMENT IS WHY I BRING IT TO COUNCIL.
AND, AND IN FRONT OF THEM IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, HOWEVER, UM, AND SO THE TIME, I GUESS, TO ANY CONCERNS YOU HAVE ABOUT IT NOW, UM, JUST A SIMPLE MATTER OF COST SAVINGS, UM, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT BOILS GOT YOU IN MY MIND.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE, THE REASON TO PURSUE IT.
BUT ARE THERE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? ONE QUESTION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT COULD, ARE THEY PROPRIETARY? LIKE CAN ANYONE ELSE MANAGE THESE OR IS IT JUST NOT REALLY? WE DO USE STRYKER.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM UNDER CONTRACT FOR, UM, 10 YEARS.
UH, THAT'S THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE USE ON ALL THE AMBULANCE.
UM, IT COVERS EVERYTHING FROM COTS TO CARDIAC MONITORS, UM, VENTILATORS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY OPERATE UNDER, UM, IMPACT THE AMBULANCE.
AND SO IT, IT'S, IT'S A PROPRIETARY CONTRACT THAT THEY MAINTAIN THOSE DEVICES.
SO I, I'D ALSO MAKE THE COMMENT, IT'S, IT IS LIKE A, UH, UH, INDUSTRY STANDARD STRIKER IS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS YOU GO IN THE HOSPITAL AND MOST OF THE BEDS YOU SEE IN THE HOSPITALS AND SO FAR, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
ONCE YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN THE CAPITAL.
I MEAN, THEY DO IT, THEY DO IT ALL.
SO THE PAYMENTS WOULD BE OVER THREE, THREE DIFFERENT INSTALLMENTS OR IS IT ALL NO, IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER THREE YEARS.
THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS WOULD BE $33,926 IN EACH BUDGET YEAR.
AND WE DO HAVE THAT BUDGETED THIS YEAR.
I THINK THAT ONE WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
[Fire and Municipal Services Department]
A REPLACEMENT OF AMBULANCES.THIS IS A NORMAL MURPHY REPLACEMENT.
THESE AMBULANCES ACTUALLY WERE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 2324 REPORT WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY AT THE, UH, FRONTIER CENTER DURING THAT YEAR, DURING THE REMODEL.
UM, THEY WERE PLACED ON THE ORDER IN JULY OF THAT YEAR.
THEY ARE READY FOR PICKUP ACTUALLY AT THE END OF DECEMBER.
AND, UM, THIS WOULD BE A MURF PURCHASE.
IT HAS BEEN SCHEDULED INSIDE OUR MURF.
THIS IS AN EMS UH, REPLACEMENT.
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MURF $725,000 A YEAR.WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT $1.2 MILLION AND WE HAVE A CONTRACTED MURPH PAYMENT THAT COMES OUT FOR ALL OF OUR AMBULANCE AND EMS EQUIPMENT IN THE TOMBS OF ABOUT 300, 300, $2,000.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, THE MONEY IN MURPH TO REPLACE THESE AMBULANCES.
UM, THEY ARE SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT.
UM, THEY ARE AT END OF LIFE SEVEN YEARS.
UM, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES AT THIS POINT.
UH, BUT WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THAT PURCHASE, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE BACK THOSE CHECKS WHEN WE PICK UP, UM, WITHIN 30 DAYS OF RECEIPT.
SO IT SOMETIME LATE DECEMBER, EARLY JANUARY.
AND THIS ALSO WILL BE ON THE TUESDAY AGENDA.
UM, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THE COMMITMENT THAT WE'VE ALREADY MADE.
BUT, UH, IS THERE ANY CONCERN OR ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ABOUT THAT? OKAY, WELL THEN, UM, CHIEF, THANK YOU.
I THINK WE CLEARED THOSE UP OR GAVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT 'EM AHEAD OF TIME.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, THEN, UH, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA
[Mayor and Council]
IS FOR US TO HAVE OUR REGULAR, UM, SHARING TIME GOING AROUND THE ROOM.THE REASON THAT, UM, WE HAVE, UM, MORE THAN JUST ONE ITEM AFTER MORE THAN JUST WADES, UH, TEAM FOCUS REPORT AFTER IS BECAUSE, UM, IT, UH, I GUESS, UH, WHEN, UH, CORIN WAS PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, IT MADE SENSE TO HER, HE HAD A BUSINESS ITEM RATHER THAN PRESENT A BUSINESS ITEM BEFORE OUR DISCUSSION AND THEN JUST DO THIS REPORT AFTER WE JUST GROUP THE TWO TOGETHER.
BUT, UH, AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER SORT OF MEDIA DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA.
SO, UM, LET ME KICK OFF OUR CONVERSATION, UH, A FEW THINGS.
SO TAKE ONE, EACH ONE PERSON AND, UH, SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, I DO MY BEST THAT THE CALENDAR THINGS CHANGE AND EVEN JUST WITHIN A FEW MINUTES AFTER THIS WAS PRINTED, I FOUND ONE ERROR AND THEN I FOUND SOMETHING, I FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW.
SO, UM, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, LISA, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE BMPO MEETINGS WILL BE HELD THE 12TH, 13TH TOMORROW TODAY.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT CROSS OUT WAS ABOUT THERE, WHERE I, BUT TOMORROW ON THE 13TH, IT'S AT NOON.
SO TODAY'S THE EVENING AND TOMORROW'S AT, UM, AND THEN, UM, CITY CLUB, I HAD THE, UH, I HAD NOTICE OF THIS AND JUST HAD FORGOTTEN TO CHANGE THIS, BUT, UM, DR. WAGNER WAS NOT AVAILABLE ON THE 21ST AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED.
AND SO THEY TRIED TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO SPEAK AND THEY WERE ABLE TO LINE UP TO DR.
UM, BUT SHE WASN'T AVAILABLE ON THE 21ST, AND SO THEY MOVED IT TO, UM, THIS WEEK.
AND SO ON THURSDAY THERE IS A CITY CLUB.
UM, AND SO WITH ALSO A HIGHER EDUCATION THEME, BUT IT'LL BE ABOUT CEI AND THAT'S TIMELY BECAUSE, UM, AS WE MOST OF YOU KNOW, UH, SHE HAS TAKEN OVER THE RANKS AS PRESIDENT OF THE COLLEGE OF EASTERN IDAHO.
SHE'LL BE INAUGURATED ON FRIDAY EVENING.
UH, BUT, UH, THURSDAY IS MAYBE A CHANCE FOR HER TO WARM UP.
AND SO, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GET A PRACTICE HER, HER SPEAKING POINTS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THROW IT ALL OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT, UH, SETTING.
AND SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN CEI AND WHERE IT'S HEADED THURSDAY CITY CLUB BE GOOD.
UM, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THOUGH.
UM, I LEARNED THAT THURSDAY NIGHT THERE IS A SCHOOL VOUCHER CONVERSATION.
UM, AND THIS IS BEING, UH, HOSTED BY A VERY, VERY RARE AND SENSITIVE TO, TO THE FACT THAT IT IS BEING SPONSORED BY A PARTISAN ORGANIZATION.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE IDAHO, IDAHO FALLS, BON OR BONNEVILLE COUNTY REPUBLICAN CENTRAL COMMITTEE, NOT IDAHO FALLS, BONNEVILLE COUNTY REPUBLICAN CENTRAL COMMITTEE.
I'M NOT IN ANY WAY, UM, TRYING TO PROMOTE, UM, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AGENDA IN BONNEVILLE COUNTY.
WHAT I AM, UM, AWARE OF, HOWEVER, IS THAT, UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THE LEGISLATIVE ISSUE IS HIGHLY FAVORED BY, UM, SOME REPUBLICANS.
AND SO IT WILL, IT WILL BE, UH, ONE OF THE PROPONENTS OF THIS, UH, REFORM WILL BE SPEAKING IN THAT MEETING.
AND SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE ISSUE, UM, REGARDLESS OF YOUR OWN PERSONAL PARTY AFFILIATION, THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT THE DOORS.
THEY'RE NOT PARTYING PEOPLE AT THE DOOR, SO TO SPEAK.
SO YOU CAN GO AND HEAR THE SPONSOR OF THE LEGISLATION, UM, STRAIGHT HEAR STRAIGHT FROM, BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE, UH, AN OPPONENT, RIGHT? A PROPONENT AND AN OPPONENT.
AND IT'LL BE A BIT OF DEBATE FORMAT THAT EVENING.
AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR REPUBLICANS SPARRING ABOUT A REPUBLICAN LED, UH, ISSUE, THAT
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WOULD BE, THAT PROVIDES SOME INTERESTING INSIGHT.UH, IT'S NOT LEGISLATIVE SEASON YET, BUT IT'S COMING.
AND THIS ISSUE PROMISES TO BE ONE THAT'S GONNA TAKE UP SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, UH, AIR TIME IN THE ROOM.
HOWEVER, CITY CLUB ALSO HAS, UM, AN EDUCATION VOUCHER PROGRAM SCHEDULED IN DECEMBER.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO ON THURSDAY EVENING, UH, AFTER OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE'D HAVE TO MISS PART OF IT.
IF ANYBODY WANTED FROM THIS GROUP WANTED TO ATTEND, OUR COUNCIL MEETING IS AT SEVEN 30 AND THIS, UH, EVENT STARTS AT SEVEN.
BUT IF YOU COULDN'T DO THAT ON THURSDAY, YOU COULD DO THE CITY CLUB ONE OR BOTH, BECAUSE THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT, PROBABLY DIFFERENT, UH, WAYS OF EXPLAINING IT EXPLAINED IN THOSE TWO SETTING.
SO, UM, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, UH, IS OF CONCERN TO ME BECAUSE IT INVOLVES TAX KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THERE'S BEEN.
UM, DOWNTOWN TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN CLARITY AND MAYBE SOMEONE IN HERE HAS A BETTER SENSE, BUT, UM, THIS YEAR IT'S BEING HEAVILY PROMOTED BY PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, AND I'M WONDERING IF IT IS SHIFTED TO BE A JOINT, UH, I-F-D-D-C PARKS AND REC EVENT OR IF IT'S STILL MOSTLY I-F-D-D-C, BUT PARKS AND REC PROVIDES THE LIGHTS OR, UM, YOU KNOW HOW THAT IS.
CATHERINE, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE? UH, PARKS AND REC, I BELIEVE IS TAKING ON A BIGGER ROLE.
AND THEN I FT C IS IMPORTANT WITH THE SHOPS COMP PIECE.
SO IT SHIFTING JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT, UH, SO, SO IT IS STILL A, AN EVENT THAT WE'LL ALL WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN.
I DON'T KNOW THE FORMAT YET AND IF THERE'S GONNA BE A CENTER, UH, SLAVE RIDE FROM CITY HALL OR WHATEVER.
BUT YES, WE PICKED UP A LITTLE BIT IN THE MEETING WITH PJ THIS MORNING.
WOULD YOU SHARE, YOU SAID THERE'S 75 VENDORS, SO IT'S SORT OF A BIT OF A CHRISTMAS MARKET, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND, UM, THAT STARTS AT FOUR, THE VENDORS BEING OPEN AT FOUR, BUT THE ACTUAL LIGHTINGS AT SIX.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TO THAT EVENT WITH, UM, JACKET WEATHER AND I'VE BEEN TO THAT EVENT WITH SNOW AND I'VE BEEN TO THAT EVENT WITH EVERYTHING IN SLEETS AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
SO, OH, THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE MARKET GOING ON.
I'M HOPING THAT THE WEATHER COOPERATES 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE REALLY, REALLY PLEASANT FOR EVERYBODY.
YEAH, HE, HE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
YEAH, IT IS 6:00 PM FOR THE LIGHTING ITSELF.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING ANY OF THAT.
UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.
WHEN'S THE UH, UH, A TV CORRECT THAT'S LISTED HERE ALSO? DECEMBER 20TH.
AND IT'S, THEY, THEY'RE CALLING IT UV UTILITY VEHICLE.
AND I THINK MORE DETAILS ARE FORTHCOMING, BUT IT'S LISTED FOR THE 20TH OF DECEMBER IN THE BOX.
IT'S EXPECTED TO BE QUITE OF BIG CRACK.
WE TALK ABOUT THAT NOT ONLY OF VEHICLES, BUT OF SPECTATORS.
UM, STAYING IN THIS MONTH THOUGH.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT TOO THAT WE HAVE A POWER BOARD MEETING TOMORROW, COUNCIL MEETING ON THURSDAY.
UM, THERE IS, UH, THE TOWN HALL THAT WE'RE HAVING, UM, AND THE TOPIC IS FENTANYL.
AND THIS IS, UH, ONE WHERE WE'RE REALLY PRIVILEGED.
UM, AND THE, THE IMPETUS BEHIND HAVING THIS TOWN HALL CONVERSATION, UM, IS THE US ATTORNEY, UH, IS COMING TO IDAHO FALLS AND HE'LL BE PRESENTING SOME INFORMATION.
HE'S BRINGING STAFF AS WELL AND STAFF SUPPORT, UM, TO THIS EVENT.
BUT IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL TO GET, UM, THE US ATTORNEY'S PERSPECTIVE.
THEY HAVE A VERY, UM, UH, VESTED INTEREST IN PREVENTING THIS KIND OF CRIME.
AND SO, UM, WE ARE, UH, WORKING WITH JESSICA CLEMENTS AND I, IDAHO FALLS POLICE, IDAHO FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, MARGARET, UH, HAS BEEN WORKING, UH, SO HAS ERIC
BUT ALSO, UH, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY CAN DO, WHAT RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE IT A VERY WORTHWHILE EVENING.
SO IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO'S WORRIED ABOUT THIS OR SOMEBODY WHO SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT IT, SEND THEM THERE.
UM, I THINK, UM, WELL, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR ME PERSONALLY.
SO I, I I JUST CARE THAT PEOPLE, UH, LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, NEXT TUESDAY, UM, CITY WILL BE CLOSED FOR THE TWO DAYS OF THANKSGIVING THE DAY AFTER.
UM, JUST MAKES, MAKES SENSE TO ROLL BACK.
UM, I, THERE ARE A FEW OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO GO OVER.
ONE IN THE LITTLE PACKET THERE.
UM, YOU HAVE THE, UH, A LIST THAT WAS GENERATED BY OUR AGENDA SOFTWARE.
UM, AND I TWEAKED IT JUST A LITTLE TRY TO CLEAN IT UP 'CAUSE IT HAD ALL KINDS OF OTHER INFORMATION IN THERE.
BUT THIS COMES, UM, OUT OF WHAT WE CALL AAR.
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GENERATE OUR AGENDA.UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE FORMAT IS, IS SO FORMAL AND IT'S IN A FUNNY ORDER.
UM, IT'S NOT LISTED BY DEPARTMENT OR BY TOPIC OR BY CONSENT OR REGULAR, IT'S LISTED BY FILE ID NUMBER, WHICH IS WHAT THAT SOFTWARE PROGRAM DOES.
BUT YOU'LL SEE HERE 12 ITEMS FOR THE AGENDA.
ONLY THREE ITEMS ON THURSDAY NIGHT'S AGENDA ARE REGULAR ITEMS, NINE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU GET THAT, UH, TONIGHT, PROBABLY, UH, THAT AGENDA, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT, SEE WHICH ONES ARE, ARE GENERAL, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S A FAIRLY LIGHTWEIGHT MEETING.
AND WE JUST COVERED TWO OF THOSE CONSENT ITEMS ALREADY.
AND SOME OF THE OTHERS ARE GONNA BE EASY PEASY FOR YOU.
UH, SO IT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY EASY MEETING TO PREPARE FOR, WHICH IS NICE IN THIS WEEK.
UH, THAT FEELS A LITTLE BIT, UH, SHORTENED, UH, BY THE MONDAY HOLIDAY.
UM, ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, I SPOKE TO IAN, UH, BY EMAIL.
UH, WE, WE SHARED EMAIL AND IT LOOKED, IT'S LOOKING LIKE BASED ON THE, UM, MONTH SURVEY THAT EVERYBODY TOOK FOR TRYING TO GET IN ONE MORE IDAHO FALLS AIRPORT BOARD MEETING.
UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY END UP BEING ON DECEMBER THE 13TH, FRIDAY, DECEMBER THE 13TH.
UM, WHY NOT HAVE FRIDAY THE 13TH MEETING? SO THAT'S, THAT MAY BE WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE.
IT'S GONNA LAND ON, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN, BUT I'M GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE WITH 90% CERTAIN.
UM, ALSO, UM, WE WILL BE HAVING, UM, THE ANNUAL MEETING WHERE WE, UH, A HANDFUL OF US COME TOGETHER TO TRY TO PROJECT ALL OF THE CALENDAR ITEMS FOR 2025.
UH, THAT WILL BE HAPPENING NEXT FRIDAY.
SO, UH, BY THE 22ND, IF, UH, ANY OF YOU HAVE, UM, ANY VACATIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO EUROPE FOR TWO WEEKS OR, UH, HIKING IN AFRICA, UH, DOING A SAFARI, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE GOT GOING FOR NEXT YEAR, LET US KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT DATES ALREADY BLOCKED OUT THAT YOU REALLY WANT US TO TRY TO RESPECT WHEN WE'RE SETTING MEETINGS, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
OR AT LEAST IT HELPS ME TO KNOW, HEY, I'M TAKING A RISK BECAUSE I'VE GOT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS OUTTA TOWN ON THIS VERY POPULAR DAY.
MAYBE WE WILL TRY TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING OR MAYBE WE'LL TRY TO RE RESCHEDULE A COUNCIL MEETING.
SO IT HELPS US TO KNOW, UM, ON THAT KIND OF THING.
SO LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY HARD AND FAST DAYS THAT YOU'RE ALREADY AWARE OF.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I WILL THEN MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH IS, UM, WE HAVE, UM, A FAIRLY AMBITIOUS AGENDA FOR THE NEXT THREE WORK SESSIONS THIS YEAR.
AND, UM, ON THE ONE OF THEM WE WANT TO, UH, TALK ABOUT, UM, OR WE, WE KNOW THAT IMPACT THESE, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL ASPECTS TO OUR IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE THAT, UM, NEED, UH, NEEDS OUR ATTENTION.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT AND TAKE CARE OF VERY FIRST, UH, THE MEDIATION PIECE, UH, OF THAT ORDINANCE.
IT NEEDS THE MEDIATION ELEMENTS IN THERE, NEED CLEANED UP, UM, OR MAYBE PUT BACK IN OR WHATEVER IT WAS THAT, YEAH, WE NEED TO PUT THE BACK END THERE, TAKEN OUT.
ANYHOW, UM, THAT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UM, ONCE YOU LOOK AT IT AND IT WON'T TAKE YOU VERY LONG IF YOU HAVEN'T STUDIED IT TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO NOTICE THIS, WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU AGREE WITH.
DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE MEDIATION PORTION, UH, THAT WE WANT TO PUT BACK INTO THE ORDINANCE IN A WORK SESSION BEFORE YOU DO IT ON A THURSDAY? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST TALK ABOUT IT ALL ON A THURSDAY THAT SAME NIGHT THAT WE HAVE THE HEARING AND, UH, ADDRESS IT IF YOU NEED IT TO BE A TWO MEETING, UH, KIND OF A ISSUE OR DO YOU WANT IT JUST ON THURSDAY? I'M GOOD TO JUST HAVE A THURSDAY.
SO I'M OKAY WITH THE THURSDAY MEETING.
AND, UM, MARGARET, REMIND ME OF WHAT MONTH OR WHAT, UH, WHICH MEETING WE WERE LOOKING AT.
PROBABLY THE, WE WERE LOOKING AT PROBABLY THE NINTH, 9TH OF DECEMBER NINTH OR THE 12TH.
REFER TO MIKE MICHAEL, BUT THAT SHOULD GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE PROPER YEAH, NOTICING.
SO, SORRY, THE NINTH IS THE WORK SESSION.
IF WE DO THE NEW SCHEDULES, IT WOULD BE THE, THE 12TH.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, WANTING A WORK SESSION OR JUST DOING IT? UH, THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING? THURSDAY'S GOOD WITH ME.
YEAH, WE CAN STILL TALK ABOUT THINGS ON THURSDAYS.
I MEAN, UH, AS WE HAVE DONE BEFORE.
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL JUST PLAN FOR THURSDAY.
UM, HANDLING IT ALL ON THURSDAY.
UH, KIRK, YOU WERE NOT HERE, UH, WHEN SOME OF THIS ORIGINAL, UM, CONVERSATION WAS HELD.
UH, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, UH, ADEQUATELY AHEAD OF TIME SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE LIVED EXPERIENCE THAT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
BUT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT EASILY.
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I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT ANY CHANGE WE MAKE TO THE IMPACT THE ORDINANCE HAS TO BE, UM, NOTICED, UM, PRETTY ROBUST NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT IN THE, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC.AND THEN WE HAVE HEARING IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER CONVERSATION WE HAVE.
AND THEN I, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ALSO NEED TO SORT OF UPDATE OR REWORK AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THAT WORK, BUT, UM, BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT MEDIATION PIECE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE, SO THAT, THAT'S FIRST, BUT WE HAVE OTHER THINGS.
WE'LL DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FORTHCOMING PIECE AFTER THAT.
AND THOSE ARE TIED A LOT WITH THE UPDATE TO THE CAPITAL PLAN THAT THE CITY'S RECORDED TO DO, REQUIRED TO DO, UH, EVERY FIVE YEARS THAT'S COMING UP.
UM, YES, SOME OF THOSE OTHER CHANGES.
SO THEN MOVING ON, UM, I ALSO, UH, HANDED OUT TO YOU A PAPER THAT LOOKED LIKE THIS.
UM, SO LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE ANNUAL BUDGETING MEETING OR UH, A CALENDARING MEETING, WE, UM, CREATED A CALENDAR THAT GAVE US THE TOP ONE WHERE WE HAVE, IF YOU'LL NOTE, THREE WEEKS IN A ROW WHERE WE HAVE CANCELED WORK SESSIONS AND THURSDAY NIGHT MEETINGS.
UM, WE WERE THINKING LAST WEEK OF, UH, OF, UH, I'M SORRY, SORRY.
THANKSGIVING WEEK WOULD, WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD WORK.
AND ALMOST ALWAYS, WE HAVE ANOTHER WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING.
UM, BUT THIS YEAR, THANKSGIVING'S RATHER LATE, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, WE HAVE THE LAST WEEK OF NOVEMBER AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF DECEMBER BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, THREE WEEKS IN A ROW.
THAT'S, THAT GETS TO BE HARD ON EVERYBODY, UH, WITH DEADLINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THE BOTTOM HALF WHERE WE WILL, UM, HAVE OUR TWO MEETINGS THIS MONTH SEPARATED BY ONE WEEK, AND WE WILL HAVE, UM, TAKE THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER OFF AND NOT HAVE IT BE A MEETING WEEK.
AND THEN GO AHEAD AND KEEP THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THAT SECOND WEEK OF DECEMBER AND THEN HAVE OUR, UH, SPECIAL MEETINGS THEN ON THE 16TH AND 19TH.
UM, EARLIER ABOUT A MONTH AGO, WE HAD ASKED YOU ALREADY TO SET ASIDE THE 19TH, UH, IN CASE WE NEEDED ANOTHER MEETING TO COVER ANY ARPA CONCERNS OR ANY END OF THE, YOU KNOW, UH, CALENDAR YEAR KINDS OF ISSUES.
AND SO REALLY NOW WE'RE FREEING UP AN ENTIRE WEEK, UM, AND ONLY ADDING THE MONDAY THE 16TH SINCE WE'VE ALREADY ASKED YOU TO HOLD THE 19TH.
SO, UM, I'VE QUERIED, UH, DIRECTORS I'VE HEARD BACK IN LESS THAN ONE DAY.
I HEARD BACK FROM NINE DIRECTORS.
UM, AND, BUT I GOT THUMBS UP, THUMBS UP, THUMBS UP FROM EVERYBODY AND IN FACT, ONE DIRECTOR SAID IT HELPS THEM EVEN MORE SO, UH, HAVING THAT LATER MEETING.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY HERE, UM, OR ARE THERE TWO ANYBODY HERE? BECAUSE I THINK ONCE WE START GETTING PANEL WITH, UH, MISSING ONE PERSON WE CAN HANDLE, BUT MISSING TWO OR THREE OF YOU.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CAN'T DO THE 16TH OR THE 19TH? JOHN, ARE YOU IN THAT BOAT? LIKE DECEMBER UHHUH? I THINK I'M OKAY.
WHAT TIME DID YOU SIT? UM, STILL TIME SITTING REGULAR MONDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT.
UM, ALSO, SO I I PUT ON THIS BOTTOM HALF DOWN, UM, THE LIKELY IDEA MEETING ON THE 13TH.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A POWER BOARD MEETING IN IN DECEMBER.
I THINK WE SHOULD TO JUST US THAT ONE.
THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE FROM POWER IS THE CHRISTMAS PARTY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTIES ON HERE, SO THIS IS JUST THE OFFICIAL MEETINGS.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE THEN BOTTOM AFTER THAT.
I JUST, I DIDN'T GET ONE OF THOSE MAYORS.
SO YOU SAID DECEMBER 19TH, YEAH, THURSDAY, RIGHT? YEAH, I'M SORRY, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT.
UM, JUST SO I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND TO LOOK AT THAT, SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THE BOTTOM HALF, UNLESS YOU CAN'T DO IT.
AND IF, UH, THERE, IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING REMOTE, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT.
SO THEN, UH, TWO OTHER THINGS.
ONE IS THAT, UM, THERE WILL BE A, UM, CHANGE, UH, COMING TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
UM, AND THAT IS THAT, UH, OUR CITY CLERK KOREAN HAS, UM, ACCEPTED A POSITION IN THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU'LL RECALL THAT OUR, UM, NEW, UM, OR OUR BUDGET, OUR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET CREATED A POSITION IN HR.
AND, UH, THAT, UH, CREATED A, UH, SITUATION WHERE CORIN SAW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A PROFESSIONAL CHALLENGE.
AND, UH, SOMETHING THAT SHE WANTED TO, TO, UH, PURSUE.
UM, I, UM, GONNA MISS THE REGULAR DAILY INTERACTION
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I GET TO HAVE WITH HER BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN SO DEDICATED AND SO INCREDIBLY SHARP.UM, AND SO WILLING TO, UM, SAY, HOW CAN I MAKE ANYTHING I TOUCH BETTER? MM-HMM,
UM, BY THE WAY, JIM, I'M GONNA ASK DAR IF WE CAN KEEP HER ON, UH, JOB HERE.
UM, BUT UM, ANYWAY, UM, SHE HAS BEEN JUST A'S DELIGHTFUL PERSON TO INTERACT WITH AND SHE'S REALLY STRENGTHENED, UH, THE CLERK'S DEPARTMENT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY SHARP BEFORE SHE JOINED US.
AND, UH, SHE'S ONLY IMPROVED IT, UM, SINCE SHE'S BEEN THERE.
UM, MARGARET, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL INSIGHT? IF YOU COULD TALK INTO A MICROPHONE, THAT WOULD HELP, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL INSIGHT ON, UM, THE SCHEDULE? I, I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR OFFICIAL TRANSITION.
I, I THINK THAT'S JUST WITH THE NATURE OF THE HOLIDAYS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH COR A LITTLE BIT ON OR REVIEWING THE JOB DESCRIPTION.
OUR HOPE IS TO GET THAT POSTED THIS WEEK.
UM, MY HOPE IS THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO CONDUCT INTERVIEWS AND PERHAPS FIND, UM, THE NEW CLERK BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN LIKELY THEY WOULDN'T START UNTIL THE THE NEW YEAR.
UM, WE, DARREN HAS GRACIOUSLY, UM, ALLOWED US TO KIND OF A FAIRLY FLEXIBLE, UM, TRANSITION SCHEDULE.
CORIN WILL BE DOING SOME TRAINING WITH HR, UM, IN OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM, GO FROM THERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH CORIN TO MAKE SURE THAT SORT OF HER VISION FOR THAT OFFICE IS COMMUNICATED AND, UM, INCLUDED IN OUR, OUR SEARCH FOR THE NEW CLERK.
'CAUSE I WOULD JUST ECHO THE MAYOR'S, UM, WORDS THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE REALLY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS THE HEART OF THE CITY AND, UM, JUST STRIVES TO MAKE, UM, HER INTERACTIONS WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH HER COLLEAGUES AND COWORKERS IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, JUST MAKING SURE THAT SHE'S FOCUSING ON THE, THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT.
SO WE WILL, UM, DEFINITELY MISS HER IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
UM, BUT WE ARE EXCITED FOR HER, UM, NEW OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES AND, AND I THINK THIS ALSO GIVES HER A WAY TO HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT ON THE CITY AS A WHOLE, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.
'CAUSE SHE REALLY DOES HAVE A MAGIC TOUCH IN, IN MY VIEW.
BUT, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY THE SWEET PART IS WHAT, UH, MARGARET JUST SAID.
UM, AND THAT IS THAT, UH, EVERYBODY WILL BENEFIT FROM HER, UH, ENTHUSIASM AND HER SKILL.
UM, I, I STILL CAN'T HELP BUT BE A LITTLE, A LITTLE CHOKED UP BECAUSE SHE'S GREAT.
UM, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO, UH, WAS INVITE CATHERINE TO COME FORWARD AND, UM, JUST GIVE YOU A VERY QUICK REPORT OR HELP ME TO GIVE A, UH, QUICK REPORT, BUT SHE'LL BE DOING THE, THE BETTER PART OF IT ON, UM, THE, UH, SISTER CITIES VISIT TO JAPAN.
UH, SO WE, UM, LEFT, I LEFT ON THE 28TH.
UM, WE ARRIVED, UM, BOTH ARRIVED ON THE 30TH, UH, JUST AT DIFFERENT HOURS OF THE DAY IN JAPAN.
UM, AND, UH, THEN PROCEEDED TO PARTICIPATE IN A VERY LENGTHY VISIT, UM, WHICH CONCLUDED ON, UM, UH, THURSDAY, WELL, FRIDAY AND, UM, THIS PAST FRIDAY.
AND, UM, THEN WE STAYED ON UNTIL SATURDAY BECAUSE FRIDAY NIGHT AFTER THE REST OF THE DELEGATION HAD MOVED ON, YOU KNOW, FLOWN HOME OR ON OTHER VENTURES.
UM, WE, UM, MOVED FROM TOKA, WHICH IS OUR SISTER CITY TO TOKYO, UM, WHERE THE GOVERNOR HAD A TRADE MISSION AND WE WERE A, AND INL WAS A PART OF THAT TRADE MISSION TO, UM, JAPAN.
AND, UM, SORRY, UH, HAD, UM, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M LOSING MY, I COULD TAKE A NAP.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, HE HAD, UM, UH, UH,
AND, UH, THAT AWARD WAS PRESENTED AT THE US EMBASSY IN TOKYO ON FRIDAY NIGHT, AND WE HAD A CHANCE TO BE THERE.
UM, AND SO WE CAME HOME ON SATURDAY AS A RESULT.
AM I GETTING THIS RIGHT OR CORRECT.
UM, AND SHE HAD MY FLIGHTS WORKED THE WAY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, AND I GOT HOME AT ABOUT 10 30 ISH.
YOUR FLIGHTS DID NOT WORK AS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO.
AND SHE STOOD BACK HOME BEFORE I DID, BUT SHE HAD NO PANIC THAN I DID.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, UH, I'M GONNA LET YOU SAY A FEW WORDS, AND I KNOW YOU HAD SOME PICTURES TO INTRODUCE, AND I MAY SAY A WORD OR TWO.
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE THE OFFICIAL REPORT.
THIS IS A TEASER AND JUST A QUICK SUMMARY, UM, REPORT.
BUT WE HAVE MORE TO TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF OUR VISION FOR HOW THIS RELATIONSHIP COULD BE STRENGTHENED AND IMPROVED.
BUT FOR NOW, CATHERINE, YOU WANNA TAKE IT AWAY? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
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BRING ANY PICTURES WITH ME.I THOUGHT I READ IN YOUR EMAIL THAT YOU HAD SOME PHOTOS.
FOR OUR FULL REPORT, UH, I WILL BRING FULL PRESENTATION OF PHOTOS AND, UM, AND ALSO BRING THE PRESENTATION OF PHOTOS THAT TO PUT TOGETHER OF OUR VISIT WHEN WE WERE THERE, BECAUSE MY PHOTOS WERE ALL OF THE GROUP THAT WE WERE WITH TOINE ROSE PHOTOS ARE ALL OF AMANDA, MAYOR CASPER AND MYSELF REACTING TO ALL THE ACTIVITIES.
SO IT WAS KIND OF FUN TO SEE THE CITY'S ENGAGEMENT IN THE ACTIVITIES.
UM, SO YES, SO MAYOR CASPER'S, CORRECT.
UH, AFTER TWO LONG DAYS OF TRAVEL, WE ARRIVED IN THE AIRPORT AND WE FELT LIKE ABSOLUTE ROCK STARS.
UM, THE TOBAN, UH, SISTER CITIES DELEGATION WAS THERE TO WELCOME US, AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY I LOVE IDAHO SIGNS IN ALL MY LIFE.
UM, AND FROM THERE, THE JAPANESE DELEGATION, UM, LOADED UP OUR SUITCASES.
I DON'T THINK I TOUCHED MY SUITCASE AGAIN, UH, WHEN THEY WERE AROUND BECAUSE THEY TOOK VERY GOOD CARE OF US AND LOADED US UP INTO A BUS AND TOOK US TO TOKAI MAURA, WHERE FIRST THEY FED US SOME TRADITIONAL TOKAI OR JAPANESE FAST FOOD, WHICH IS A, UM, BIT OF FRIED CHICKEN AND A SANDWICH OF WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE INGREDIENTS WERE, BUT IT WAS DELICIOUS.
AND, UM, WE HAD A, WE HAD A VERY, UH, INFORMATIVE, VERY MEMORABLE TRIP, UH, OVER THOSE NEXT 10 DAYS.
THE, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH HEIMER AS MAYOR INDIVIDUALLY WITH JUST THE, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE CHAIR, AMANDA LOGAN, MYSELF AND MAYOR CASPER.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO ALIGN SOME OF OUR GOALS FOR THE PROGRAM.
I THINK THE FUTURE FOR THE SISTER CITIES PROGRAM, UM, IS VERY BRIGHT.
UH, THE CITIES ARE GONNA BE ALIGNED IN WHAT OUR GOALS ARE AND OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
SO THAT WAS A VERY, VERY GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
AND THEN WE RETURNED BACK TO THE DELEGATION AND WE HAD LOTS AND LOTS OF SIGHTSEEING, LOTS AND LOTS OF SHOPPING IN SOUVENIR SHOPS, WHICH WAS VERY INTERESTING.
UM, I THINK WE VISITED ALMOST EVERY, UH, HUNDRED YEN, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A DOLLAR STORE, UH, IN CHINA, OR EXCUSE ME, NOT CHINA, JAPAN.
UM, SO THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO KIND OF SEE THAT VERSION THAT MY ITEMS MADE IN CHINA.
THE ITEMS I BROUGHT HOME TO MY KIDS, THEY WERE NOTING THEY WERE MADE IN CHINA.
THEY WERE A LITTLE CONFUSED, UM, THEY SAID RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
UM, BUT YES, IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY, IT WAS A VERY INFORMATIVE TRIP, I THINK THAT WE LEARNED AND UNDERSTAND THE DEEP RELATIONSHIPS THAT OUR SISTER CITIES DELEGATION HAS BUILT OVER THE LAST 30, 40 YEARS.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS VERY GOOD TO SEE AND THEN SEE WHERE WE CAN BUILD ON THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESS.
UH, ON THURSDAY WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH SOME POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE LOOKING AT DOING STARTUPS.
AND M THERE ARE, WE MET WITH SOME BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY WITH THEIR BUSINESSES.
I THINK THERE'S SOME REAL VIABLE OPTIONS FOR THOSE BUSINESSES TO ALSO DO BUSINESS HERE IN IDAHO FALLS.
AND REALLY THE CHERRY ON THE SUNDAY FOR, I THINK ALL OF US, UH, WAS, WAS BEING WITH THE JAPANESE PEOPLE.
UM, I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THE HOME STAY.
IT WAS THE BEST PART OF THE TRIP, UM, GETTING TO BE WITH SUCH WONDERFUL, GENEROUS PEOPLE THAT JUST WERE SO EXCITED TO HAVE US THERE AND LEARN FROM US.
AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE ON TO TOKYO AND I MEAN, IT REALLY WAS ONE OF THOSE PINCH PINCHING MOMENTS WHEN WE'RE, WE WERE IN THE ROOM WHERE THE WORLD WAR II TREATY TREATY WAS SIGNED BETWEEN JAPAN AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND AMBASSADOR ROME.
EMMANUEL WALKED IN LIKE IT WAS LIKE, THIS IS, THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
AND GOVERNOR LITTLE WAS THERE WITH HIS, UM, DELEGATION.
AND, UM, I WAS ABLE TO GET SOME STEAK AND POTATOES, WHICH I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT.
UM, WE HAD MANY DAYS OF LOTS OF FISH, WHICH WAS ALSO DELICIOUS.
UM, BUT IT WAS FUN TO HAVE A TASTE OF IDAHO THERE IN JAPAN.
SO COMING HOME WAS, WAS AN ADVENTURE.
WE, WE ENDED UP AT HOME INSTEAD OF JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING, BETTER YET, INSTEAD OF DALLAS FOR TWO DAYS.
BUT WE ARE EXCITED TO COME BACK WITH A FULL REPORT FOR YOU.
UH, AMANDA WILL BE HERE AND THE SISTER CITIES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETS ON THURSDAY, AND SHE'S BROUGHT BACK QUITE A FEW TREATS FOR THE, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO I THINK THE FUTURE IS, IT'S GREAT.
IT WAS, IT WAS A LONG, HARD TRIP, BUT I'M VERY GLAD THAT WE WENT AND I'M GLAD TO LEARN WHAT WE LEARNED OVERALL.
UM, IT IT, IT BECAME PRETTY CLEAR THAT IN OUR BUSY LIVES WE SOMETIMES TEND TO OVERLOOK, UM, SOME OF THIS, AND I USE THIS, I DON'T MEAN IT IN A SOFT TENDER WAY, BUT THE SOFTER THINGS, UM, INVOLVED IN HUMAN RELATIONS AND COMMERCE AND, UM, JUST BEING A HUMAN BEING IN THIS WORLD.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT JUST LIKE THEY TALK ABOUT SOFTER SKILLS MAKING
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FOR A BETTER, UM, EMPLOYEE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO INTERVIEW SOMEBODY.UM, MAYBE THAT THE SOFTER SKILLS OF UNDERSTANDING OTHER CULTURES, UNDERSTANDING OTHER PEOPLE, UNDERSTANDING OTHER GEOGRAPHY AND OTHER LANGUAGES AND OTHER CONCERNS AND OTHER WAYS OF LIVING, UM, CAN REALLY ROUND OUT THE INDIVIDUAL.
AND IT'S AN EXPERIENCE THAT WE PROBABLY OWE TO AS MANY IDAHO FALLS RESIDENTS AS WE CAN POSSIBLY, UM, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THIS PROGRAM.
UM, AND WHO, WHO ARE INTERESTED.
UM, THEY, THE REASON THEY WERE CHOSEN UNDER CITY IS MANY, YOU KNOW, IS BECAUSE BACK 40, 45 YEARS AGO, WE HAD, UM, SIMILAR SIZE CITIES.
UM, THEY ARE A VILLAGE, WE'RE A CITY.
UM, THERE ARE TECHNICALLY SOME DIFFERENCES THERE, BUT, UM, WE ALSO, UH, BOTH HAD AN AGRICULTURAL BASE BASED ON A POTATO.
OURS WAS THE RUSIC POTATO, THEIRS WAS THE SWEET POTATO.
UM, AND WE ALSO BOTH HAD A NATIONAL LEVEL, UM, NUCLEAR RESEARCH LABORATORIES AND SO FACILITIES.
AND SO, UM, THOSE THINGS MADE FOR A GOOD MATCH.
AND, UH, THEY STILL DO, UM, TOKAY IS ABOUT 38,000.
WE'RE A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THAT NOW.
UM, WE BOTH STARTED OFF, I THINK AT AROUND 30,000.
THEY HAVE GROWN QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
WE HAVE NOT GROWN AS MUCH AS THEY HAVE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING.
UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE FACING CHALLENGES THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE, UM, WITHIN GOVERNMENT, BUT SOME THINGS ARE THE SAME.
UM, WORKFORCE ISSUES, FINDING THE RIGHT MATCH AND THE RIGHT FIT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT TO DO WITH AN AGING POPULATION.
UM, SO IT, IT, THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS TO BE LEARNED.
SO WE'RE ANXIOUS TO TALK MORE ABOUT CITY TO CITY EXCHANGE, UH, ECONOMIC EXCHANGE, UM, MORE THAN JUST THE CULTURE OF TOURISM IS, IS WHAT OUR GOAL IS.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING UP SOME OF THOSE IDEAS BACK.
UH, JIM, JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU WERE THERE DURING THE ELECTION, CORRECT? YES.
SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THEIR INTEREST IN OUR ELECTIONS AND HOW DID THEY COVER IT? YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TIME IN THE HOTEL ROOMS TO WATCH ANY NEWS.
UM, AND I KNOW THE GROUP THAT I WAS AROUND MY HOME STAY FAMILY, UM, YOU KNOW, ODDLY ENOUGH WE BECAME PRETTY CLOSE OVER THOSE DAYS, LIKE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WITH.
UM, THEY ASKED ME A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND THERE, THERE WAS KIND OF A CONCENTRATED EFFORT ON THE BUS NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE ELECTION OPENLY, I THINK, AMONGST THE DELEGATES.
BUT I THINK THE JAPANESE THEMSELVES WERE VERY CURIOUS ABOUT OUR REACTION BECAUSE AS THE ELECTION RESULTS WERE COMING IN, IT WAS LIKE 11 O'CLOCK DURING THE DAY.
SO WE WERE ON THE BUS TRYING TO BE CAREFUL WITH OUR, OUR IPHONE BATTERIES.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO BE NIGHTTIME HERE, DAYTIME THERE.
AND, UM, I WOULD SAY VERY CURIOUS.
'CAUSE THERE'S IMPLICATIONS TO WHICHEVER ADMINISTRATION AND HOW THAT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE, UH, WAS VERY INVESTED IN THE GREAT MANY PEOPLE AND TOPICS ON THE BALLOT, UM, FROM LOCAL ALL THE WAY TO, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL.
AND, UM, I HAD A, UH, DIFFICULT TIME WITH SOME OF THE RETURNS, RIGHT? NOT ALL, BUT SOME.
AND I, UH, FOUND THAT BEING, NOT BEING HERE, BUT BEING FAR AWAY, REMOVED FROM THE EVENING, UH, SETTING, JUST IT WAS FUL, IT CALMED,
AND SO THAT WAS, UH, ACTUALLY A PERSONAL BLESSING, BUT TO BE DISTANT.
BUT I WILL ECHO WHAT HAS SAID A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP? AND, UH, SO THAT, THAT WAS INTERESTING THAT THEY WERE CARING AS MUCH AS ALL THAT BECAUSE ON ANY GIVEN DAY, I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHO TWO CANDIDATES IN JAPAN WERE, UM, OR ANY GIVEN ELECTION.
SO, UM, ANY ELECTION
AND ALSO MAYBE A SIGN OF MY AMERICAN ARROGANCE.
UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, WAS ACTUALLY THE UGLY AMERICAN IN ME WAS SCHOOLED.
UM, AND EVERY TIME I GO AND LEAVE THIS COUNTRY, BE A UGLY AMERICAN IN ME REALIZES THAT I NEED TO BE MUCH MORE APPRECIATIVE OF OTHERS THAN I, THAN I AM WHEN I'M HERE, BE THAT HAPPY.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT WAS INTERESTING IS JUST THE APPRECIATION FOR THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, HOW MUCH OUR JAPANESE FRIENDS WANT TO LEARN ENGLISH TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH US WAS REALLY INSPIRING BECAUSE WE, WE DIDN'T GO INTO THE TRIP MYSELF TRYING TO LEARN JAPANESE.
IT'S LIKE DAUNTING TO TRY TO LEARN.
AND THEY KEPT SAYING, WE WILL COME BACK TO IDAHO AND MY, MY ENGLISH WILL BE IMPROVED WHEN I SEE YOU AGAIN.
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INTEREST IN WANTING TO COMMUNICATE WITH US THAT WAY.I, I HAVE NO IDEA IF I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO EVEN BEGIN TO CRACK SPEAKING JAPANESE, BUT IT, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING HOW CURIOUS THE JAPANESE WERE ABOUT OUR CULTURE AND THE WAY OF LIFE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A, A NICE TAKEAWAY TO SHARE WITH OUR COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AROUND AT THESE TEMPLES THAT HAVE SAT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
IT'S LIKE, WOW, THERE'S, THE WORLD IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN ME AND MY LITTLE PROBLEMS. SO IT'S VERY GOOD.
WAS MARY AMADA VERY INTERESTED IN PROMOTING ECONOMIC EXCHANGE? YES, HE WAS, YES.
YES, MAYOR AMTA WAS CHARMING AND VERY ENGAGED WITH US, AND I WOULD SAY WE'RE VERY ALIGNED.
AND HE HAD A WONDERFUL TIME AT THE, AT THE, UM, RECEPTION WITH THE AMBASSADORS.
IT WAS, IT WAS VERY FUN TO HAVE SOME TIME WITH HIM.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL THINGS.
ONE IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD MANY TIMES THAT, UM, IN JAPANESE CULTURE, A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WILL NOT FLOURISH WITHOUT SOME KIND OF PRIOR EXISTING FRIENDSHIP OR RELATIONSHIP.
AND SO, UH, THAT WAS, UM, MENTIONED SO MANY TIMES THAT I STARTED THINKING, WELL, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET MUCH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, GOING.
AND, UM, WHEN I BROUGHT THAT UP AND, AND EXPRESSED IT AS, YOU KNOW, IS THIS, DO YOU THINK THIS IS REALLY A, A BARRIER OR A CONCERN THAT IF WE DON'T CREATE FRIENDSHIP FIRST, THAT WE CAN'T DO ECONOMIC, UH, EXCHANGE ANYWAY? HE SAID, UM, SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT IN EARLIER IS WE'RE USING PUBLIC DOLLARS, WE'RE USING TAX DOLLARS.
AND SO IT'S HARD TO USE TAX DOLLARS TO BUILD FRIENDSHIPS, UM, AT LEAST THE WAY THAT, UH, AND NOT HAVE A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT OF THOSE TAX DOLLARS.
AND HE ECHOED THAT AND SAID THAT PUBLIC DOLLARS MAKE, MAKE THIS DIFFERENT.
UM, AND THAT REALLY WAS WONDERFUL TO HEAR BECAUSE IT MADE IT FEEL AS THOUGH, OKAY, WE, WE DEFINITELY, LIKE CATHERINE SAID, WE'RE ALIGNED ENOUGH THAT WE WANT, WE KNOW WE NEED TO, TO, UH, ADD SOME DIMENSION TO THE RELATIONSHIP, UM, BEYOND THE TOURISM AND THE ON ONGOING FRIENDSHIPS.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA TELL YOU IS THAT AT THE, UM, EMBASSY, UM, WHICH CATHERINE HAD MENTIONED WAS BUILT BY GENERAL MCCARTHUR.
IT WAS, UM, UH, AFTER THE WAR, UM, BUT IT WAS ALSO A PLACE WHERE A TREATY WAS SIGNED.
BUT, UM, IT HAD A, A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE GREEN PATCH AND WE GOT OUT THERE, MARY MIGHT HAVE SAID, THIS IS THE MOST GREEN SPACE IN TOKYO, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, A BIG CITY FULL OF HIGHER ED, BUT THEY HAD THIS BEAUTIFUL BLUE POOL.
AND I WENT OVER TO TRY TO GET A PICTURE OF IT, GETTING THIS PICTURE OF THIS BLUE POOL.
DON'T ASK ME WHY I'M TAKING A PICTURE OF THE SWIMMING POOL, BUT IT, EVERYTHING THERE WAS LIKE GOT MY CAMERA, IT'S PRETTY
AND THEN I TURNED AROUND AND I'M WEARING LITTLE HEELS TRYING TO BE DRESSED UP AND I TRIPPED OVER AN UMBRELLA STAND THAT HAD NO UMBRELLA IN IT.
IT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, HEAVY METAL.
AND IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU LOOK AROUND LIKE, WHO SAW ME? WHO SAW ME? WELL, THREE PEOPLE SAW ME, CATHERINE SAW ME, OR YA SAW ME AND SOMEBODY WHO WAS UM, UH, AN EMBASSY STAFF PERSON SAW ME.
WE LIVED UP THIS OLD WOMAN WHO TRIPPED IN HER DRESS, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN IDIOT.
UM, BUT I THOUGHT, OKAY, WAIT, OF THE PEOPLE WHO DID SEE ME, CATHERINE'S MY FRIEND.
YEAH, SHE'S NOT GONNA TELL EVERYBODY THAT I FELL AND LIKE A TRIP, LIKE AN IDIOT.
AND THE OTHER TWO LIVE IN JAPAN.
BEFORE I GOT BACK TO THE HOTEL THAT NIGHT, I HAD A TEXT THAT I COULDN'T READ 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THE DATA PLAN ON THAT PHONE.
THERE WAS A MESSAGE FROM MY FORMER SISTER-IN-LAW SAYING, I HEARD YOU FELL IN JAPAN.
SO I, I'M THINKING THAT
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NIGHT, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, UH, NO, NO DEED GOES UNPUNISHED AND YOU CAN'T GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING ANYWHERE.
I'M JUST HERE TO TELL YOU ANYWAY,
THE, THE COMMENT THAT JAPANESE ONLY DO BUSINESS WITH THEIR FRIENDS.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE LEFT AND WE ALL FELT LIKE WE'RE VERY GOOD FRIENDS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT HURDLE, IF IT EXISTS IS, IS OVERCOMEABLE.
WE'LL, WE'LL HOPEFULLY BRING YOU MORE.
UM, WHY DON'T WE THEN MOVE ON TO, UM, WELL, UM, I'M THINKING THAT IT'S TOO, JUST A LITTLE TOO EARLY FOR A BREAK, BUT LET'S, UM, GO TO GOING AROUND THE ROOM, UH, AND TAKING WHAT YOU HAVE AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL DO THE FIRST PART, UH, WHICH YOU HAVE TO BRING AWAY.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK BEFORE WE GO INTO THE REPORT.
SO, UM, LET'S GO WITH OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT, ANYTHING YOU NEED TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP? UM,
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VERY, VERY EARLY PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION.I FEEL LIKE, UM, I'M JUST HAVING COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME LANDOWNERS, SOME DEVELOPERS, THE AUDITORIUM DISTRICT, THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
I FEEL LIKE, UM, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO, UM, FRANCIS AND RED FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM KIND OF HAS A PAPERCLIP AND WE'RE WONDERING WHAT WE CAN EXCHANGE PAPER CLIPS FOR.
SO JUST IF YOU HEAR, UM, CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, IT'S JUST A POTENTIAL FIELD HOUSE OR POTENTIAL OTHER, UM, ENDEAVORS WITH, UM, REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, IT'S, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE COY, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO REPORT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S ONE OF JUST A CONVERSATION THAT IS HAPPENING AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
UM, YEAH, BUT ON THAT SAME NOTE, YOU GONNA MENTION THAT THERE IS A, A NEW AGENCY THAT WE HOPE TO FORM EVERY THE END THE YEAR, OR I MEAN A NEW DISTRICT I, URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT.
THE EVER SINCE, UM, KIND OF THE VISION OF WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE THESE BIG REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, THEN A LOT OF THEM ARE COMING FORWARD, SOME ARE CLOSING, SOME ARE ADDING NEW.
SO, UM, THAT'S WITH REDEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN JUST ON A PERSONAL NOTE, UM, THANK ENT EVERY TIME THAT I HAVE BEEN WITH THEM, THEY'RE SO PROFESSIONAL.
THEY'RE JUST THESE NICE YOUNG MEN WHO COME IN AND THEY'RE SO PROFESSIONAL.
AND ANYWAY, WE HAD, I HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT THIS WEEK WITH 'EM, UM, IT'S PROBABLY MY FOURTH TIME THAT I NEEDED EMT AND THEY CAME AND, AND HELPED THAT, UM, OUR DENTAL OFFICE.
UM, I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT, I MET WITH THE POLICE CHIEF EARLIER, UH, KIRK AND I DID.
AND, UM, THEY HAD THEIR BASICALLY THE END OF YEAR BUDGET REPORT AND ANNIKA, UM, WORKING THAT BUDGET WITH WITHIN ABOUT 1% OR MAYBE NOT EVEN THAT FAR OFF ON HER PROJECTIONS FOR THE YEAR.
UH, THEY WERE SO CLOSE TO WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE GONNA, WHAT THEIR INCOME WAS OR WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, REVENUES WERE AND WHAT THEIR SPENDING WAS.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THEM ON, THEY'RE COMING IN UNDER BUDGET.
UM, IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE.
UM, WANTED TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE HOLIDAY PARTY THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER FOR THE, FOR POWER.
IT'S NOT TILL THE TILL NEW YEAR'S DAY.
SO WE'LL HAVE TIME TO TELL YOU AGAIN ABOUT IT.
BUT, UM, I KIND OF MOVED IT BACK A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR.
PUT IT IN BETWEEN THE HOLIDAYS INSTEAD OF BEFORE CHRISTMAS, LIKE THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UH, YOU SAID NEW YEAR'S DAY? YEAH.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE BID OPENING OR YOU WANT ME TO BRING IT UP? NO, GO AHEAD.
SO, SO, UM, FIRE GOT SO MANY BIDS ON THE NEW STATION THAT THEY NEEDED MORE TIME TO SIFT THROUGH THEM.
SO THE BID OPENING WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN TODAY, UM, IT'S GONNA BE NEXT MONDAY.
IT'LL BE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ANOTHER SIX DAYS UNTIL THEY, OR UNTIL THEY UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE, GO THROUGH THE BID.
SO, UM, AWARD THE BID I GUESS, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? ANYWAY, OKAY.
YES, BECAUSE IT'S COUNSEL, THEY JUST NEED MORE, THEY MADE MORE TIME 'CAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY, SO IT'S GOOD NEWS.
HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE PART OF THAT IS A LOT OF BIDDERS OR POTENTIAL BIDDERS HAVE QUESTIONS THAT HAD TO BE ANSWERED.
SO THE ONE MORE WEEK MAKES A LOT UNTIL THEY GOT, UNTIL THEY OPEN THEM ONE MORE WEEK.
I'LL JUST GIVE A COUPLE UPDATES FRANCIS, AND YOU CAN FILL IN THE BLANKS, UH, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
WE ARE VERY EXCITED IN PARKS AND REC TO, UM, HAVE WON THE ITEM WAS MEDIUM RODEO OF THE YEAR AWARD, IF YOU GUYS SAW THAT, BUT OUR THIRD YEAR IN A ROW.
UM, AND IS THE WHOLE RODEO NOT THE DIRT? THIS IS THE RODEO.
THE WHOLE RODEO IS BASED UPON THE PRIZE AMOUNTS, RIGHT FRANCIS? IT'S LIKE, I THINK IT'S IN BETWEEN, IT'S LIKE UNDER $10,000 A RIDER OR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE LEANING TOWARD BEING HAVING A LARGE RODEO.
WE'RE TRYING TO STAY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, THE SWEET SPOT THAT I FEEL LIKE WAR BONNET HAS DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB IN.
SO I'M VERY EXCITED FOR THE TEAM THAT, UM, LETS PUT THE RODEO TOGETHER TO BE HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, AS MAYOR UH, MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE THE DOWNTOWN TREE LIGHTING HOLIDAY MARKET AND I SAID THE SAME THING, MAYOR AND PJ, THAT THE WEATHER'S ALL OVER THE MAP
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ANYTHING IT'S THAT CLARK HAS A REAL VISION FOR THE HOLIDAY MARKET AND I THINK THAT HE'LL HAVE SOME GREAT VENDORS PUT TOGETHER THAT'LL MAKE US WANNA SHOP OUTSIDE.SO, UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE UTV HOLIDAY LIGHT PARADE AND I, I KNOW I WAS SURPRISED AND PERHAPS FRANCIS WAS AS WELL, UM, TO HEAR ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ATTEND SUCH AN ACTIVITY.
I WASN'T THERE, BUT PJ SAID THEY HAD LIKE 20,000 PEOPLE WATCHING AND THEY'RE EXPECTING THEY ALREADY HAVE 175 ATVS REGISTERED RIGHT NOW.
THEIR GOAL'S 400 AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT.
SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A GREAT TIME.
THAT MAKES ME WANT TO GO OUT AND HANG OUT ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER 20TH, SIX O'CLOCK.
UM, THEY HAVE APPROVAL FOR, UM, THE BID, THE APPROVAL OF THE BID FOR THE NETTING AT, UH, SAND CREEK DRAGON RANGE.
SO I KNOW COUNSEL, WE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT THAT.
UM, THEY DID GO WITH THE FULL, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT INC.
AND UM, WAS ABLE TO FIND THE BUDGET TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
AND THERE ARE LOTS OF PARKS UPDATES THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY HAD THE WEEDS UNDER CONTROL, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST YEARS OF THAT TO SHARE.
I TELL PJ, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER GET A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS WHEN THINGS GO WELL.
YOU'LL HEAR COMPLAINTS RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE NOT WHERE YOU THINK THEY SHOULD BE.
BUT I GOT NOT ONE PHONE CALL THIS YEAR ABOUT THE PARKS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS WEEDS OR MOWING STUFF.
HE SAID THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD A GREAT YEAR OF, UM, CUSTOMER FEEDBACK AND UH, SOME OF THE WORK THEY'VE DONE INCLUDES, UH, ALL PUTTING UP CONCRETE BORDER AND LANDSCAPING ROCKS ALL AROUND, ALL THE SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE PARKS.
UM, AND THEY SAID THAT IT'S REALLY HELPING THEM KEEP THINGS CLEAN AS WELL AS BEING MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
UM, AND WITH THAT I WILL LEAVE THE REST OF IT TO FRANCIS SINCE THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING IN PARKS.
WE NEVER HAVE ENOUGH TIME, HUH?
THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON, BUT DR. HOLMES DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.
SO, UM, AND THEN YEAH, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU SPREAD THE HR NEWS DURING FRIEND.
I WAS GONNA LEAVE IT TO MICHELLE TO GIVE THE UM, KATE MARQUE.
YEAH, I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU YOUR GIFT
UM, PROUD OF, UM, CADE MARCUS, UH, WHO IS OUR GIFT TRANSIT COORDINATOR.
HE DID WIN THE DISTINGUISHED UNDER 40 AWARD.
UM, BACK IN THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WON IT, THEY WERE HANDING IT OUT LIKE IMMINENCE WHEN CADE WINS.
IT IS A VERY COMPETITIVE PROCESS NOW
UM, AND THEN THEY ONLY CHOOSE FOUR FROM THERE.
SO ONLY FOUR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS RECEIVED THAT AWARD.
UH, CADE WAS ONE OF 'EM AND EVERYONE HAD SUCH WONDERFUL THINGS TO SAY ABOUT CADE AND HOW HE REPRESENTS OUR CITY AND THE GIFT PROGRAM AND UM, I THINK EVERYONE THAT WAS THERE WAS VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT HE HAS DONE AND UM, HAS ACCOMPLISHED NOT ONLY IN HIS PROFESSIONAL CAREER AT THE CITY, BUT HIS PERSONAL, UM, TIME IN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW KAY, YOU KNOW THAT HE WILL HE'LL DO ANYTHING, HELP ANYBODY AND HE HAS.
AND I THINK THAT THE AWARD REALLY REFLECTED THAT.
UM, THAT EVENING WAS REALLY PLEASANT.
UM, ONE OF THE COOLER THINGS I'D SEEN IN JUST, UH, AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THE LATIN COMMUNITY WAS RECOGNIZED, HAVE THE ROOM OF THE AWARDS HAVE TABLES BOUGHT BY LATIN BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEN THREE OR FOUR OF THE FOUR YEAH.
PEOPLE THE WON THE UNDER 40 WERE LATIN ENTREPRENEURS.
AND ONE OF 'EM GOT UP AND SAID THAT SHE JUST FELT SEEN, GAVE THE BEST SPEECH OF LY HAVE HEARD.
SO IT WAS A REALLY NEAT NIGHT TO SEE SOME PROGRESS IN THAT WORLD AND PRETTY DISTINGUISHED LEADERSHIP FROM I AND L WAS THERE AS WELL.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
WELL JUST A COUPLE MORE PARKS AND REC THINGS.
THE HERITAGE PARK RESTROOM FOUNDATION IS BOARD, SO THE RESTROOM THERE AND MAYBE THIS ALREADY BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT SOUTH TOURISM PARK IS NO OPEN CAMP THE YEAR MICHELLE, IS IT, IS IT NO MORE CAMP? I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH FOREVER.
AND IF YOU GET, UM, FEEDBACK ON THE CEMETERIES, THE DITCH WALL AT FIELDING WAS BEGINNING TO COLLAPSE BECAUSE THE FOUNDATION WASN'T DONE RIGHT.
AND THAT'S BEEN PREPARED, IT'S ALMOST FINISHED.
SO THAT ALWAYS HELPS PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN FROM PUBLIC WORKS, PROBABLY MOST OF IT FOR YOU, BUT WE DO HAVE A NEW CITY ENGINEER WHO DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW JOHN KNOWLES, WHO'S
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AN IDAHO IAN, WHO WENT TO ALASKA AND HAS COME BACK TO IDAHO FALLS AND, UM, KEN S PLEASE KEN.AND WE WILL SEE, TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS, THE GUARDRAIL, UM, WILL COME ON A CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE PAN CARRYING BRIDGE.
SO IT MARKS OFF THE TRAIL LIKE ON BROADWAY WHERE YOU HAVE THE BARRIER BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC AND THE PEOPLE THAT'S COMING FORWARD AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU SEE IT, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD.
WHAT ELSE? ARE ANY OF THE, ARE THE LANES ALL OPEN ON THE BRIDGE NOW OR NOT? THEY WEREN'T SUNDAY.
THEY, THEY SWITCHED SIDES I NOTICED LAST WEEK WHEN I WAS OUT THERE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW HOW THEY, THE, THE, THE NEWER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE COULD ALWAYS, UH, HAVE TRAFFIC UHHUH.
SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE, UM, UM, BUT THE OLDER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE WAS WHAT THEY WERE WORKING ON.
WELL, THEY HAD BEEN ABLE TO GET ONE LANE OPEN ON THAT SIDE.
SO IF YOU'RE HEADING EASTBOUND OR WESTBOUND, UM, THERE'S ONE LANE, WELL, THEY'RE WORKING ON THE OTHER IF YOU'RE EASTBOUND, HOWEVER, BOTH LANES ARE OPEN NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE THAT WAY, UH, IF IT'S GONNA CHANGE AGAIN, BUT THAT'S HOW IT'S FOR RIGHT NOW.
AND IT FEELS LIKE THEY REDID THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THAT'S NICE AS WELL.
LIKE, NOT, NOT THE NORTH SIDE THAT'S BIGGER TOO, BUT THE SOUTH SIDE ALSO HAS SOME KIND OF BETTER COATING ON IT.
THE
WHILE THAT WILL COME COUNCIL, UH, THURSDAY, IT WON'T BE DONE UNTIL SPRING TIMING AS SUCH, THEY COULDN'T PUT THE TWO TOGETHER.
THE, THE BRIDGE WORK AND THE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY, THE
SO THAT WON'T HAPPEN TILL SPRING.
BUT, UH, HE SAID HE'S HAD PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS TO HIM ON THE NEWS SIDEWALK AND SAYS, WHY DOES THE RIVER? BUT, UH, HE
AND ONE LAST THING, UH, A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF BRUCE LAWRENCE IS RETIRING AFTER 47 YEARS.
AND, UH, NOT ONLY WILL HE, THEY MISS HIM, UH, APPARENTLY HE'S BEEN MISS THAT.
SO A GREAT RELATIONSHIP AND A LOT OF GOOD YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY.
MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN HIM AROUND TOWN, UM, DOING WHAT, UH, PUBLIC WORK STUFF, UH, SURVEY SURVEYING WORK FOR.
HE'S, HE'S BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE AND ALWAYS, ALWAYS PLEASANT IN HIS AGENDA.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME REPLACING THAT PERSONALITY.
UM, CAN I, I HAVE ONE MORE SURE THING THAT JUST SORT OF AN INFORMATION THING.
UM, CARLA INDICATED THAT SHE SET UP A CITY TABLE FOR THE LAURIE BARBER THING ON THE 14TH FOR CITY CLUB.
SO I THINK CHECK WITH CARLA, BUT MAY ALREADY BE THERE IF YOU CAN GO.
I'M UNAWARE OF CITY CLUB SELLING TABLES, BUT I I KNOW I WAS TOO.
THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND.
SHE ASKED ME ABOUT THAT TOO, AND I TOLD HER I WANTED TO GO AND I'M GOING.
SO MAYBE THERE WAS JUST ENOUGH OFFICE.
USED TO USUALLY SIT WITH THE BOARD UP FRONT.
THERE'S NOT AN OPTION TO SIT TOGETHER.
SO YEAH, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US THERE.
THAT COULD BE, AS LONG AS WE DON'T TALK CITY BUSINESS, WE'LL BE ALL RIGHT.
UM, WHEN IS BRUCE'S RETIREMENT? DOES HE HAVE ANY PARTY OF ANY KIND? UH, CHRIS, IS THERE ANY DETAIL YOU COULD SHARE? HE ACTUALLY DEFERRED HAVING A CITYWIDE PARTY AND JUST WANTED TO DO SOMETHING INTERNAL, SO THAT WOULD BE THIS THURSDAY.
WELL, THANKS FOR SHARING THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY THOUGHT TO THAT THEY WANNA ADD? ALRIGHT, WELL THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THIS NEXT PIECE.
UH, WE'LL TAKE SOME TIME TO DISCUSS IT AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE LAST PART.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA STAY ON SCHEDULE.
UM, WAYNE, UH, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
UH, AND, AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE HERE WITH US, UM, HERE LER.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, ANYBODY, OTHERS HERE IN THE ROOM WHO MAY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS, BUT UH, REMEMBER, UM, IN YEARS PAST WHEN WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT THE AREA OF IMPACT, WE, UM, I CAN'T, I THINK IT WAS IN 20, FORGOT WHAT YEAR, 18 OR 19 WE DRAFTED OUR, UM, STATEMENT, WHAT DO WE CALL IT? STATEMENT OF ANNEXATION? YEAH, GOALS OF ANNEXATION.
ANNEXATION PRINCIPLES, I THINK.
AND, UH, THAT WAS A GUIDING DOCUMENT, UH, INTERNALLY AND IT, AND, UH, THERE WAS AN UPBEAT TONE THERE THAT WAS A PRODUCT OF BOTH BRAD KRAMER, OUR FORMER CVS DIRECTOR, AND, UM, SHELLY SNEAD, FORMER, A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO, UH, I REMEMBER HER SAYING MORE THAN ONCE IN A MEETING, I'M PROUD TO BE IN CITY OF IDAHO FALLS.
PEOPLE ACT LIKE ANNEXATION IS A,
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IS A, SOME KIND OF NEGATIVE, TERRIBLE THING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN TO THEM.SHE SAID, I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.
THIS CITY IS WHAT I'M PROUD OF.
AND SO THERE WAS AN UPBEAT TONE IN THERE BECAUSE OF HER INFLUENCE.
AND, UM, THAT STATEMENT OF PRINCIPALS WE THOUGHT KIND OF ANSWERED SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE COUNTY HAD ABOUT, HEY, WILL YOU OFFER SERVICES OUTSIDE OF CITY, UM, BOUNDARIES OR, AND WILL YOU ACCEPT OUTSIDE SERVICES IN CITY BOUNDARIES? UM, AND JUST SOME OF THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS WHEN IT CAME TO UTILITIES AND SUCH.
BUT RECENTLY, OR, UH, WHEN WE HEARD FROM THE CITY PLANNER OR, UH, THE COUNTY PLANNER, AUSTIN WACK, UM, HE HAD MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, THERE WAS UNCERTAINTY ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD THINKING, WELL, WE PUT BACK IN THE STATEMENT OF ANNEXATION PRINCIPLES, YOU KNOW, BACK SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, IT OCCURRED TO, UH, SOME OF US THAT MAYBE, UH, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO GO FROM JUST HAVING A PIECE OF PAPER WHERE SOME NICE SAID, POSITIVE, UPBEAT IDEAS WERE WRITTEN, AND ACTUALLY ADOPT SOMETHING AS A MATTER OF, UM, UH, FORM ADOPT SOMETHING FORMALLY SO THAT IT COULD BE CITED AS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN FORMALLY ADOPTED, IEA POLICY, UM, OR POLICY ADJACENT TYPE OF A DOCUMENT.
AND SO, UM, WE HAD ASKED, UM, WADE TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, UM, THAT INCORPORATED ALL OF THAT.
AND SO THAT'S THE INTRODUCTION, THAT THAT'S A GREAT INTRODUCTION.
I WAS, I WAS GOING TO SAY BASICALLY THE SAME, AND REALLY, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO THAT, JUST THAT, UM, SO AUSTIN HAD LOOKED AT WHAT WE INITIALLY SAID, THIS IS FOR OUTSIDE USER AGREEMENTS, SO, UM, UTILITIES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, IF WE CAN CONNECT INTO THEM.
AND, UH, WE HAD HAD AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT YES, WE ACCEPTED THAT.
THE COUNTY HAD ASKED THAT WE DRAFT A RESOLUTION ON THAT, UH, THAT RESOLUTION HAS BEEN PRIMARILY DRAFTED AND WE INCORPORATED THE, UM, PRINCIPLES OF ANNEXATION GOALS AND PRINCIPLES OF ANNEXATION INTO THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE IT'S AT.
WE'RE HOPING TO BRING THAT I, I DON'T KNOW, ASSUME MIKE ON THAT ONE, BUT, UM, I HAVE IT ON MY DESK TO LOOK OVER AND I JUST HAVE TO REVIEW IT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE IT ON TO YOU FOLKS.
BUT THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAD, SO I THOUGHT WE WERE BRINGING THIS FORWARD TODAY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, UM, ANYTHING TO REVIEW? NO, MA'AM.
SO, UM, AS SOON AS YOU HAVE THAT READY, LET'S EMAIL IT OUT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, TAKE SOME TIME TO, UM, REVIEW IT WHEN YOU GET IT, SEE IF, IF THE RESOLUTION SAYS, WOULD YOU WANT IT TO, AND CAPTURES, UM, THE THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO ANNEXATION AND WHERE OUR BATTERIES TOUCH.
AND THEN, UM, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THEN, UM, WHEN, IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION CONVERSATION OR IF IT COULD BE MILDLY TWEAKED AND MOVED ONTO JUST THE THURSDAY NIGHT.
SO AT SOME POINT I MAY, AFTER YOU'VE HAD TIME WITH THE DOCUMENT THAT WADE SEND OUT OR SEND IT TO ME, I'LL SEND IT OUT.
WE'LL, UM, JUST DETERMINE, UM, I, I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL ASKING YOU TO REPLY TO ME SEPARATELY WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT THIS TO BE A DISCUSSION MONDAY OR A THURSDAY NIGHT DISCUSSION.
DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? ALRIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UH, NO, SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE MORE, BUT YEAH, WE'RE CLOSE TO, I'D LIKE TO WRAP THIS UP BY THE END OF THE YEAR JUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T, THERE'S NO REASON TO NOT.
IF, IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN, I'VE GOT IT HERE ON MY COMPUTER.
WE CAN THROW IT ON THE SCREEN WHERE IF YOU WANNA HAVE IT SENT OUT, WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY TOO.
I, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PREFERENCES? THROW IT UP ON THE SCREEN OR JUST WAIT AND EMAIL IT? I KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GET TO THE VMPO MEETING.
AND SO MAYBE, MAYBE WE'LL JUST, UH, WAIT UNTIL IT'S READY TO EMAIL.
UM, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT SITS.
UH, IT SHOULD BE AN EASY READ, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND IS IT, IT'S ALL WRITTEN, IS IT WRITTEN IN THE FORM OF JUST A RESOLUTION OR IS IT A RESOLUTION WITH A, UM, AN ADDENDUM? IT'S A RESOLUTION WITH AN ATTACHMENT.
SO YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THE OLD, UH, RESOLUTION FOR THE STATE FOUNDATION PRINCIPLES, UH, CONTAINED ONE PAGE RESOLUTION THAT SAYS, HERE'S OUR RESOLUTION, HERE'S OUR PRINCIPLES FOR ANNEXATION.
IT, IT MOSTLY, UH, ADDRESSED WHEN THE CITY WAS GONNA EXERCISE ITS AUTHORITY OR ANNEXATION.
SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS A DOCUMENT THAT NOT ONLY INCORPORATES SOME OF THESE OUTSIDE UTILITY SERVICE PROVIDERS, WHICH IS WHAT THE COUNTY ASKED US TO ADDRESS, BUT ALSO UPDATES THE STATEMENT OF ANNEXATION PRINCIPLES TO REFLECT THE CHANGES IN THE LAW THAT OCCURRED TO SECTION 50 DASH 2222 OR 222, UH, WITH THE CHANGES
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THAT HAPPENED IN THE ANNEXATION LAW.IT'LL LOOK LIKE A LOT IS GOING ON.
WE HAVE TO TRACK CHANGES FOR REVIEW, BUT IT REALLY JUST REFLECTS THAT REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY AND THEN UPDATING IT FOR THE NEW CHANGES.
UM, WE HAD ALSO, UM, UH, SO I'M NOT AWARE WHAT YOU MEAN BY REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE'VE CLARIFIED THIS A LONG TIME AGO, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT.
SO, UM, IF THEY'RE SAYING, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW IT, GREAT.
BUT I THINK THE REQUEST WAS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN A RESOLUTION PASSED BY COUNCIL.
AND YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THE CITY HAS FOR A LONG TIME ENTERED INTO OUT OF, UH, UH, AN AREA OF SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH FALLS RIVER.
AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH
SO WE HAVE ADDRESSED THIS IN A NUMBER OF CASES.
UH, WE HAVE A VERY EXPANSIVE AGREEMENT WITH ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THERE'S NO RESOLUTION THAT REFLECTS THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL, UH, WILL INTO EXISTENCE.
ALTHOUGH ALL OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, UH, WERE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS JUST A REQUEST OF THE COUNTY TO HAVE IT IN ONE PLACE SO THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE.
AND, AND THEN, UM, THE LAST THING IS, UM, UH, WE HAD ASKED THAT WE INCORPORATE IN THERE, UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COUNTY WAS WILLING TO, UH, REVIEW THE AREA OF IMPACT EVERY YEAR.
UM, THAT WAS A HUGE, UM, COMMITMENT THAT MR. BLACK MADE IN THIS ROOM THAT COULD BE QUITE A GAME CHANGER, BECAUSE IF WE DO IT EVERY YEAR, UM, WE CAN KEEP UP WITH IT CONSTRICTED BOUNDARY MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN IF WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH ONE FOR A DECADE OR FOR FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS UNDER THE NEW LAW, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND WE'VE HAD, AUSTIN AND I HAVE HAD AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION ON THAT, THAT, UH, MEETING WOULD PROBABLY BE EVERY OCTOBER THAT WE WOULD GO OVER THE AREA OF IMPACT.
SO HE WAS TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT, OR WE CAN QUANTIFY IT, THAT THAT HELPS TO, UM, THAT'S LIKE THE SUGAR COATING ON A BITTER PILL FOR, UH, HAVING A SMALL AREA OF IMPACT.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S TOO CONSTRAINING, BUT BEING ABLE TO BU EVERY YEAR, I THINK CATCHES RIGHT UP AFTER A BUILDING SEASON.
WELL, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OR ANY QUESTIONS OR THINGS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE IN THERE BEFORE YOU EVEN SEE IT? OKAY, GREAT.
THAT DIDN'T TAKE ANYBODY AS LONG AS WE THOUGHT.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN BE BACK HERE BY, UM, LET'S SAY, LET'S AIM FOR FOUR 15 AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, AND, UH, WE'LL START AS SOON AFTER FOUR 15 AS WE HAVE A FORUM.
UH, WELCOME BACK FROM THE BREAK.
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NOW HAVE, UH, THE SECOND, UH, HEAT FOCUS REPORT FROM THE DEPARTMENT.UH, TODAY, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE FEATURING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
UH, YOU SEE WAYNE HERE WITH, UH, BY THE TWO, UH, THE OTHER LEADERS IN THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND SO I'M GONNA LET YOU TAKE IT AWAY AND BRING THIS UP THE WAY YOU WANT.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE FOCUS ON, UM, GOALS THAT YOU'VE SET FOR THE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN SORT OF AN OVERVIEW OF PROGRAM SERVICES AND, AND HAVING, UM, OUR BUDGETED COURT.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AS, UH, CVS, UM, AS THE MAYOR STATED FLANKED BY ME.
MANY OF YOU KNOW CARRIE UELER, THE ASSISTANT, UM, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, I GUESS THE OFFICIAL TITLE, BUT, AND THEN TO MY LEFT IS BRIAN THOMPSON, OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL.
AND, UM, WE'LL EXPLAIN THE DYNAMICS OF OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE INTERRUPT US AS WE GO.
THERE IS, UH, LATER ON IN MY PRESENTATION, I DON'T WANT TO INUNDATE YOU WITH NUMBERS, BUT PLANNERS ARE NOTORIOUS STATISTICAL NERDS, AND SO WE LOVE DATA.
AND SO FORGIVE ME IN ADVANCE, BUT I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, I JUST PULLED OUR GENERAL GOAL OUT OF OUR IMAGINE IF DOCUMENT, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THAT.
SO, THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS PROMOTES A WELCOMING, ATTRACTIVE, SAFE, AND DIVERSE COMMUNITY.
WE EMBRACE SMALL TOWN VALUES, BIG CITY EFFICIENCIES AND FORWARD THINKING APPROACHES TO PROVIDE OUTSTANDING SERVICE AND SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE TRY TO DO.
WE, WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF BUILDING A COMMUNITY AND MAKING IDAHO FALLS REALLY, UH, ESSENTIAL AND, UM, A VERY POSITIVE PLACE FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND OUR FAMILIES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
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HOW WE'RE ORGANIZED, UH, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ACTUALLY HAS FOUR DIVISIONS, AND WE'LL GO INTO DEPTH ON EACH OF THOSE.UH, THE BULK OF OUR STAFF ARE ACTUALLY IN THE BUILDING DIVISION.
AND THEN, UM, SECONDARY IS PLANNING DIVISION GRANTS AND CDBG OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT REALLY IS JUST A ONE PERSON DIVISION.
AND THEN, UM, BMPO, I'LL EXPLAIN MY ROLE WITH THAT, BUT BMPO IS, BMPO IS KIND OF A SEPARATE DIVISION THAT REALLY OPERATES ACTUALLY COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT.
I'M MOSTLY A CHECK ON THAT, UH, DIVISION.
AND WITH THAT I'LL GO INTO BRIAN.
WE TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING HERE.
SO THE, UH, THE BUILDING DIVISION, UH, SPEAK LITTLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, OVERSEEING THE DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE BUILDING DIVISION, UH, YEAH.
SO YEAH, THE BUILDING DIVISION IS DIVIDED INTO TWO SECTIONS.
WE HAVE THE FRONT COUNTER PORTION, THE PART THE PUBLIC SEES RIGHT UP FRONT WHEN THEY COME INTO THE OFFICE.
AND THEN, UH, IN THE BACK WE HAVE THE PLAN REVIEW AND THE INSPECTIONS, WHICH THE INSPECTORS PRETTY MUCH WORK OUT IN THE FIELD PRIMARILY.
SO YOU DON'T SEE THEM MUCH IN THE OFFICE.
THEY, THEY ARE AVAILABLE, THEY COME IN EARLY IN THE MORNING, THEY GET ALL THEIR ORDERS FOR THE DAY, AND THEY'RE HEADING OUT INTO THE FIELD FOR THEIR WORK.
UM, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR AN INSPECTOR TO HAVE, UH, 30, 40, 50 INSPECTIONS A DAY.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THEY'RE RUNNING PRETTY GOOD AS FAR AS, UH, UH, INTERPRETATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE CODE COUNCIL.
SO THE, UH, INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, THEY PUBLISH A FAMILY OF CODES INCLUDING, UH, BUILDING CODE, RESIDENTIAL CODES, AND A WIDE VARIETY OF OTHER CODES, MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING.
AND, UH, BASICALLY, UH, OUR JOB IS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, INSPECT WORK AND DO PLAN REVIEW TO THAT CODE, AS YOU IMAGINE.
AND OF COURSE, REVIEWING BUILDING PERMITS.
SO WE HAVE A, UH, ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL PLAN REVIEWER AND A RESIDENTIAL PLAN REVIEWER FOR REVIEWING THE PLANS.
AND ALSO, UM, IDAHO FALLS IS ONE OF THREE CITIES IN THE STATE THAT DOES HAVE BUILDING CONTRACTOR LICENSING.
UH, BACK IN THE MID EIGHTIES WHEN WE THOUGHT THE ENTIRE STATE WAS GONNA GO, GO, UH, AFTER STATEWIDE BUILDING CONTRACTOR LICENSING, WE JUST JUMPED ON BOARD EARLY.
AND AS IT TURNED OUT, RIGHT NOW, MANY YEARS LATER, THERE'S ONLY THREE CITIES IN THE WHOLE STATE THAT HAVE THAT.
SO, UH, WE'RE ONE OF THE LARGER CITIES THAT HAS THAT PROGRAM GOING.
AND SO WE MAINTAIN THAT LICENSING AND WE, WE DO, UH, BASICALLY THE TRAINING.
WE TRY TO KEEP UP WITH TRAINING AND, UH, KEEP THE CONTRACTORS, UH, YOU KNOW, INFORMED ON, UH, CEUS AND, UH, KEEPING THEIR LICENSING UP.
UH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.
JUST WHAT KIND OF VALUE DO YOU THINK THAT THAT, UH, OFFERS TO THE CITIZENS OF IDAHO FALLS? AND IS IT WORTH THE, THE EXTRA WORK AND EXPENSE FOR OUR CITY TO DO THIS? RIGHT.
WHEN, WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT IN, SO, UH, BUILDING CONTRACTOR LICENSING, UH, WAS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY NEW.
IDAHO IS ONE OF THE FEW STATES THAT DID NOT HAVE ANY BUILDING CONTRACTOR LICENSING.
AND SO AT THE TIME WE JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS THE COMING THING, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND SO WE JUMPED ON BOARD, BUT WHAT WE FOUND OUT LATER WAS, UH, THE STATE OF IDAHO DID NOT HAVE THE, UH, WILL OR THE RESOURCES TO DO ONE.
SO WHEN, WHEN THE CITY OF OTTO FALLS BUILDING DEPARTMENT APPROACHED, UH, THE BUILDING DIVISION AT THE STATE, THEY BASICALLY SAID, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE MANPOWER TO DO IT.
UH, SO, AND THAT'S STILL THE CASE AFTER ALL.
THAT IS STILL ALL THIS YEAH, STILL THE CASE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS AFTER WE BASICALLY PUT IT IN PLACE, THE CITY OF POCATELLO JUMPED ON BOARD WITH US, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE CITY OF CHUUK.
SO AGAIN, IT WAS MORE OF THAT THINKING THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA GO STATEWIDE, BUT IT DIDN'T.
AND, UH, BUT WHAT WE FIND IS IT'S A GREAT WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
SO WE HAVE A REGISTRATION, I THINK IT'S LIKE 400 BUILDING CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, AND WE FIND THAT THAT LICENSING PROGRAM, SO WHEN A, WHEN A CONTRACTOR COMES IN AND SUBMITS THAT PLAN FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT, WE KNOW WHO THAT IS.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A ROCKWELL CONSTRUCTION, WE KNOW WHO ROCKWELL IS, AND, UH, PEOPLE CAN CALL US AND SAY, ARE THEY LICENSED? YOU KNOW, YES.
YOU KNOW, THEY ARE LICENSED AND, AND PEOPLE SEEM TO BE COMFORTED IN THE FACT THAT THEY ARE LICENSED.
WHEREAS IN THE COUNTIES, AGAIN, THE COUNTIES ALL AROUND US DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
UH, THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT AND WE'RE AT, WE ARE ADMIRED AROUND THE STATE FOR HAVING A BUILDING CONTRACTOR LICENSE PROGRAM, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WILL AND THE
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DESIRE TO WANT TO DO IT.BUT THERE ARE BENEFITS TO HAVING BUILDING CONTRACTOR LICENSING AND, UH, AND, AND HOW, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN A VEHICLE THAT THEY PUT THEIR LICENSE NUMBER RIGHT ON THEIR VEHICLE? YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE CONTRACTOR LICENSE NUMBER.
THEY SEEM TO WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A CUSTOMER, IF YOU'RE A CLIENT AND YOU SEE THAT TRUCK PULL UP AND YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, A, B, C CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CONSTRUCTION LICENSE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST GIVES YOU A SENSE OF CONFIDENCE.
AND IN A TIME WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, SMALL CLAIMS COURT DOES VERY LITTLE TO GET BACK TO PEOPLE WHEN THEIR MISTAKE IS MADE, UM, CONTRACTOR LICENSING REALLY HELPS.
AND I'D LIKE TO GO BACK ONE BULLET POINT TO THE REVIEWING BUILDING PERMITS.
AND YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL DIVISION AND A RESIDENTIAL DIVISION.
WHERE'S THAT LINE DRAWN? I MEAN, IF, IS IT, IF IT'S A, YEAH, OKAY, SO YEAH, SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO, SO RESIDENTIAL IS JUST A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED STRUCTURES AND TOWN HOMES AND, UH, MANUFACTURED HOMES.
BUT ANY APARTMENT BUILDINGS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? UNDER THE COMMERCIAL, CORRECT.
IT'S, IT'S UNDER THEIR, SORRY, BRIAN, IT'S UNDER THEIR CERTIFICATION.
SO THE IRC PRIMARILY DEALS WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THE IBC DEALS WITH COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL REALIZE IS NOT JUST WHAT YOU THINK OF THE BUYING AND SELLING OF GOODS COMMERCIAL ALSO FALLS UNDER MULTIFAMILY AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOING BOTH ALL OF THOSE REVIEWS.
AND ANOTHER PART OF THAT TOO IS WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CODE BOOKS.
SO THAT ONE RESIDENTIAL CODE BOOK IS GONNA HANDLE THAT ONE CATEGORY.
THE IBC OR THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE IS GONNA HANDLE EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL MY TRAVELS, I DID NOTICE SOMETHING, UH, WHEN I TRIED TO WATCH MEETINGS REMOTELY.
AND THAT IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE'S ONLY THIS MIC ABOVE JIM THAT PICKS UP, UH, SOUND.
SO IF YOU COULD TRY TO AIM FOR THAT WHEN YOU ASK QUESTIONS.
AND THEN THE TWO OF YOU, YOU HAVE THREE MICS, OR SORRY, THE THREE OF YOU HAVE TWO PORTABLE MICS.
IF YOU COULD DEFINITELY, UH, SPEAK INTO THEM.
IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF THE AUDIO.
SO, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON IMPROVING THE SYSTEM, BUT FOR NOW, LET'S BE AWARE OF IT.
AND AS FAR AS THE FIELD INSPECTIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR THE INSPECTORS, YOU KNOW, THE PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL BUILDING.
IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE 30, 40, UH, INSPECTIONS A DAY.
YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE HOPPING PRETTY GOOD FROM THE TIME THEY SHOW UP TO THE TIME THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, CALL QUITS FOR THE DAY.
BUT THEY DO ALL THEIR WORK ON A IPAD, UH, AND THEY'RE WORKING, UH, LIVE WITH A SYSTEM THAT CARRIE'S BEEN AMAZING TO GET.
I THINK CARRIE DEALER HERE HAS BEEN AMAZING TO GET ALL THAT SET UP.
UM, SO, UH, NOW THE, UH, ENFORCEMENT OF AMERICANS IN DISABILITY ACT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE BUILDING CODE HAS INCORPORATED FOR, FOR MANY YEARS.
YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE CARE OF THAT.
MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT A DA AND AND ACCESSIBILITY AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO LOOK AT.
AS FAR AS THE BUILDING DIVISION, WE DO HAVE CURRENTLY 11 EMPLOYEE POSITIONS.
UH, WE HAVE A FULL-TIME CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, A FULL-TIME RESIDENTIAL PLANS EXAMINER, A FULL-TIME COMMERCIAL PLANS EXAMINER, TWO FULL-TIME, UH, BUILDING CLERK.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE SIX INSPECTORS.
UH, TWO OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE CURRENTLY NOT FILLED.
SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR A, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A PLUMBING MECHANICAL INSPECTOR, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, INTERVIEWING FOR A FULL-TIME BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND THE ELECTRIC, I SKIPPED THAT ONE.
AND SO THE, UH, THE FULL-TIME BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, SLASH LEAD INSPECTOR, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, ONE FULL-TIME.
UH, WE HAVE A ONE CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR AND THEN ONE, UH, REGULAR ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR.
AND WE HAVE A CURRENT FLEET OF SEVEN VEHICLES THAT WE USE TO, TO DO THAT PROJECT.
FOR THE, UM, PLANNING DIVISION, I MEAN, ONE OF OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES REALLY IS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CITY'S LONG RANGE PLAN.
IMAGINE IF, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT DOCUMENT, UM, AND IT HAS A LOT OF GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN THERE.
AND SO WE REALLY TRY TO STAY FOCUSED AS THAT ARE BEING OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IN, IN IMPLEMENTING THE RESIDENTS PLAN FOR THE CITY.
THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE WE'RE DEALING WITH EACH DAY, OF COURSE, THAT IS THE REGULATIONS, UH, ON THE PLANNING SIDE, IF FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE BUILDING DIVISION, OR YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH PUBLIC WORKS WITH, YOU KNOW, ROAD STANDARDS OR THE FIRE CODE, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS REALLY JUST THE, THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS THAT, THAT WAY LONG RANGE PLANNING, UM, AND CURRENT PLANNING.
MAYBE I'LL CHAT ABOUT THOSE TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT.
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THOSE TWO TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, NOT JUST DEALING WITH SORT OF THE DAY-TO-DAY APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE, WHICH LATELY HAVE BEEN MANY.WE USED TO ALL DREAM OF THAT QUIET FALL WHEN THINGS SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AND I DON'T THINK I'VE HAD A BREATH FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
UM, WE, IT IS JUST BUSY ALL THE TIME RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO WE DO TRY TO FOCUS ON LONG RANGE PLANNING AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ACTIVELY OCCURRING, UM, BOTH WITH THE CITY'S SPECIFIC PLANS WITH KIND OF INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, BUT ALSO WORKING WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE BMPO, WITH CONNECTING OUR COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND, AND THE OTHER GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAVE, OUR CURRENT PLANNING ACTIVITIES REALLY ARE THAT DAY TO DAY.
SO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, SITE PLAN REVIEWS, NEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE COMING, ANNEXATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE.
UM, ALL OF THAT AND, YOU KNOW, JUST SIGN CODE.
AND EVEN, UM, FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATION.
SOME OF YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN FOLKS IN OUR OFFICE.
THAT'S MYSELF AND, AND NASIA FOSTER.
UM, I AM THE DESIGNATED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER FOR THE CITY.
UM, FLOODPLAIN IN THE CITY IS FABULOUS.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IT, SO IT IS, IT'S A NICE PLACE TO BE A FLOODPLAIN MANAGER.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A PART OF THE COUNTY WE SHOULDN'T ANNEX 'CAUSE IT DOES HAVE FLOODING AND I DON'T WANT TO MANAGE THAT.
SO I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS IN ANOTHER MEETING SOMETIME.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, WORK AND SERVE ON SOME SEVERAL COMMITTEES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THE SHADETREE COMMITTEE, UH, BPO'S TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, THE BIKE PED COMMITTEE, ALSO WITH BMPO AND THEN ALSO WITH DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
UH, WE KNOW THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN IMPLEMENTING THE CITY'S PLANS, IT CAN'T JUST BE US.
IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REACH OUT TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUP IT'S AND BE PART OF, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PARTNERSHIP THERE.
AND SO WE FIND A LOT OF VALUE IN BEING ABLE TO HELP AND ASSIST THOSE OTHER GROUPS AND COMMITTEES AS WELL.
AND THEN WE ARE DIRECT SUPPORT STAFF FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UH, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY MOST FAMILIAR WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, WHICH MOST OF THEIR ITEMS WILL COME TO YOU AFTER, UH, AFTER THEY'VE GONE THERE.
WE ALSO SUPPORT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND, UH, THE IDAHO FALLS REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, BEYOND THOSE SPECIFIC ASSIGNMENTS, WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH OTHER GROUPS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
BONNEVILLE COUNTY, IRRIGATION DISTRICTS, ET CETERA.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ASSIST AND HELP THEM WITH THEIR PLANNING EFFORTS.
AGAIN, WE THINK THAT THERE'S A, UH, OVERALL GOAL AND A, AND A BETTER COLLABORATION AND A BETTER EXPERIENCE IF WE CAN ASSIST THEM WITH SOME OF OUR EXPERTISE.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? UM, THE LONG RANGE PLANNING AND THE CURRENT PLANNING ARE THOSE LIKE INTERCHANGEABLE POSITIONS SO THAT, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE CURRENT PLANNING WOULD HAVE A LOT OF WORK THEY DO TO IT WHERE, AND SO THE LONG RANGE PLANNERS, THEY EVERYBODY'S QUALIFIED TO TO DO THE OTHER SHORT TERM.
AND I CAN MAYBE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE SO WE CAN, AND ANSWER THE QUESTION AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE FIVE EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY.
OUR, ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS MYSELF.
AND THEN THERE, UH, ARE TWO LONG RANGE PLANNERS AND TWO SHORT RANGE PLANNERS.
THE SHORT RANGE PLANNERS REALLY DO FOCUS MORE ON JUST THE DAY-TO-DAY SITE PLAN REVIEW, UM, SIGN CODE REVIEWS, UM, ANSWERING GENERAL ZONING QUESTIONS FOR RESIDENTS.
HOW TALL CAN MY FENCE BE, WHERE CAN I PUT A FENCE? THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THOSE TWO PLANNERS EACH ARE MANAGING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 TO 30 ACTIVE CASES, UM, REGULARLY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND THERE ARE ALL DIFFERENT STAGES IN THE DEVELOPMENT CYCLE.
UM, LATELY, UM, WE HAVE BEEN SO BUSY WITH THE AMOUNT OF CURRENT APPLICATIONS THAT I'VE HAD TO PULL IN OUR LONG RANGE PLANNERS TO ASSIST AND HELP WITH DOING THOSE, UH, CURRENT SHORT RANGE PLANNING ACTIVITIES, WHICH OF COURSE, IF THEY'RE SPENDING TIME WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND SHEPHERDING A PROJECT THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS, THEN THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THEIR ABILITY TO FOCUS ON SOME OF OUR LONG RANGE PLAN GOALS.
UH, AND SO SOMETIMES THAT MAKES THOSE PLANNING ACTIVITIES LONGER TIMEFRAME BEFORE WE CAN GET AND ACHIEVE THOSE TYPES OF GOALS.
THE LONG RANGE PLANNERS ALSO ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, MOSTLY ARE INTERFACING WITH OTHER COMMITTEES AND DEPARTMENTS.
OUR SHORT RANGE PLANNERS ARE REALLY MANAGING WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE LONG RANGE PLANNERS ARE WORKING WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
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WITH OUR BMPO COMMITTEES.UM, BRIAN STEVENS IN OUR OFFICE WHO DOES THE LONG RANGE PLANNER ALSO DOES ALL OF OUR, UH, MANAGES OUR GIS SIDE OF THINGS TOO, WHICH TAKES, UH, A LOT OF HIS TIME AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN, UH, KAITLYN LONG, WHO'S THE OTHER LONG RANGE PLANNER, SHE'S MAINLY FOCUSED WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
UM, AND THEN SHE'S BEEN ASSISTING ME WITH THE ROLLOUT OF CITY WORKS AND MANAGING THAT, UH, WORK AS WELL.
UM, SO THIS YEAR IS KIND OF IN AN INTERESTING YEAR IN TRYING TO BALANCE ALL OF ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES.
IN TERMS OF OUR, OUR BUDGET OVERVIEW.
SO PLANNING AND BUILDING REALLY JUST GET LUMPED TOGETHER.
I REALIZE THEY MAY BE PRINTING.
I, I PUT THIS SLIDE TOGETHER ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, AND THEN I LOOKED AT IT THIS MORNING AND REALIZED FOR SOME REASON THESE TOP NUMBERS CHANGED.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT, UM, IN TERMS OF OUR BUDGET CURRENTLY, WE'VE ONLY USED, UH, A LITTLE UNDER 6% OF OUR BUDGET.
UH, WE'RE PRETTY TIGHT IN CDS AND WE DON'T SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, WE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND OF COURSE, WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET SEASON, SO WE LOOK VERY GOOD RIGHT THERE,
SO THE REVENUES HAVEN'T COME IN YET, SO WHAT SHOULD THOSE NUMBERS BE? DO YOU HAVE THAT? I DON'T.
I'M SORRY IF FINANCE WERE HERE.
I, I JUST SAW IT HAD CHANGED AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY IT CHANGED THIS MORNING.
YOURS IS 2 0 4 6, MINE SAYS 2 0 7 1.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD A WEEKEND A HALF AGO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CHANGED TODAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING FOR THE ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T, WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT IN TERMS OF THAT.
THOSE MONIES HAVEN'T COME IN YET.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER DIVISIONS REALLY ARE BY GRANT AND SO THEY'RE VERY EASY, THEIR BUDGETS ARE EXTREMELY EASY.
BUT THIS ONE I JUST PUT OUT A HUNDRED JUST 'CAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS GIVEN TO ME.
SO, UM, SO THEN WE HAVE THE TWO OTHER DIVISIONS THAT, THAT I MANAGE ARE GRANTS AND BMPO AND GRANTS REALLY, IT JUST OVERSEES THE CDBG GRANT.
UM, YOU'VE SEEN LISA FERRIS COME IN ONCE A YEAR.
SHE GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
WE ALSO, UH, STILL HAVE AN UNFILLED, WE HAD A GRANTS COORDINATOR POSITION AT ONE TIME.
WE WERE TALKING THROUGH THAT AND COORDINATING THE GRANTS.
SO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE CDBG, THE CDBG IS JUST A BIG BEAST.
AND IT, THERE'S SO MANY FEDERAL REGULATIONS THAT YOU REALLY NEED ONE PERSON.
SOME CITIES ACTUALLY HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE MANAGING THAT PROGRAM.
UM, SO WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE UNFILLED POSITION IN THAT DIVISION.
THEY'RE GOVERNED BY THE BMPO BOARD AND, UH, THEY DEAL WITH LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
UM, PRIMARILY WHAT I AM IS A CHECK ON THEIR BUDGET.
SO WHEN THEY DO, UH, TRAVEL REQUESTS, I'M ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT APPROVES THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY MY PRIMARY ROLE.
THEY HAVE A, A FULL-TIME DIRECTOR AND A FULL-TIME TRANSPORTATION PLANNER.
AND THEN THEY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY STAFFED.
SO IT'S JUST THE THREE PEOPLE THAT DEAL WITH BMPO.
AND I WILL JUST POINT OUT THAT, UM, IN THE PAST BMPO HAS BEEN HOSTED BY OTHER CITIES.
UM, IT WORKS OUT WELL FOR US TO HOST THEM, UM, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE LARGER AND WE ARE DOWNTOWN AND, AND IT'S HELPFUL FOR THEM TO BE DOWNTOWN.
AND SO THE NEXUS IS A LOT CLOSER THAN IF THEY WERE HOSTED BY IONA OR AM OR SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S FAR AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN.
SO PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, IT WORKED WELL.
IT'S, UH, WONDERFUL THAT, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS WITH VERY RELATIVELY LITTLE STRAIN ON, ON THE YES.
THEY QUESTION ME WHEN I DENY THEIR TRAVEL.
I'M JUST JOKING,
THEY'RE VERY GOOD TO WORK WITH.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE OVER THERE.
CAN I, I I HAVE A JUST A COMMENT THERE.
SOMETHING THAT HAS OCCURRED TO ME IN THE LAST LITTLE WHILE IS, UM, BMPO, THEY'RE GOVERNED BY THE BMPO BOARD.
SO THE BMPO BOARD WOULD BE THE ONES TO DO THE, UM, PERFORMANCE REVIEW.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T DO ANY OF THAT WITH THAT.
I'M A FINANCIAL CHECK ON 'EM IS WHAT I, WE JUST CARRY THEIR, UM, UH, PERSONNEL, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT HR FUNCTION.
UM, PROVIDE, UH, JUST, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE HUB, UM, EVEN THEIR EMAIL ADDRESSES AND, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO FIBER AND THAT KIND OF THING.
YEAH, IT'S QUITE AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC, BUT IT'S, IT'S UNDER THE AUSPICE OF CVS.
SO, AND THEN THERE THERE'S ARE, UM, SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES.
THEY'RE COMPLETELY GRANT FUNDED.
SO WE GET THE ALLOCATION FROM CDBG,
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AND THIS IS DOWN HERE IS WHAT WE'VE SPENT OF CDBG SO FAR.SO THEY'VE ONLY SPENT, UH, A LITTLE UNDER 2% OF THEIR GRANT RIGHT NOW.
AGAIN, WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET SEASON.
AND SAME WITH BMPO, THEY'RE FULLY GRANT FUNDED.
SO THERE'S EXPENDITURES IS RIGHT HERE.
UH, THE GRANT COMES IN, I BELIEVE IN OCTOBER.
AND, UH, MAYBE IT'S EARLIER THAN THAT, BUT YEAH, SO THEY'VE, THEY JUST SPEND DOWN THAT GRANT AND THEN MAY WE APPLY FOR IT THE NEXT YEAR.
GOING BACK TO CDBG, UM, IS MS. FERRIS, IS HER POSITION A HUNDRED PERCENT STILL COVER? UH, IS IT COVERED BY THE GRANT A HUNDRED PERCENT OR DO WE SUPPLEMENT THAT? UM, UH, YEAH, I BELIEVE HEARST COMES.
YEAH, HEARST COMES UNDER ADMINISTRATION UNDER THE CDBG.
AND, AND THIS ALLOCATE CDBG ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW MUCH OF THE ADMINISTRATION CAN COME OUT, BUT YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO YEAH, THESE, SORRY, THESE ARE OUR TWO BUDGETS.
THEY'RE JUST VERY GRANT, THEY'RE VERY EASY BUDGETS.
THEY'RE JUST GRANTS AND THEY, THEY SPEND THEM DOWN.
UH, THEN, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION TEMPLATE THAT, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, ITEM ON FEES.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER THIS VERY BRIEFLY.
OUR FEES, YOU, YOU ALL KNOW AS, WHEN THE BUDGET COMES IN, WE UPDATE OUR FEES AT THAT TIME, WE KEEP THEM THE SAME.
WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE A MAJOR EVALUATION OF OUR FEES.
BASICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE COMPARE OUR FEES TO THE REGION.
UH, SO ANY PLAN, CHECK FEE, ANY INSPECTION FEE, WE JUST LOOK AT THE OTHER CITIES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON PAR WITH THEM.
UM, GENERALLY THE FEES, WE TRY TO GET TO THE POINT OF THAT THEY ADDRESS THE STAFF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO CONDUCT THAT ACTIVITY.
SO A REVIEW OR AN INSPECTION, UM, OUR FEE SCHEDULE IS COMPLETELY FOUND ONLINE.
IT GETS APPROVED WITH THE BUDGET.
SO YOU FOLKS LOOK AT THAT AND WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
UM, AND OUR FEES ARE INTERESTING BECAUSE, UH, WHEN WE TAKE THEM IN, AND I'LL EXPLAIN OUR BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS IN A SECOND, WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY PAY FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.
BUT ACTUALLY WE MAKE MORE MONEY THAN OUR BUDGET.
SO IT ACTUALLY GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND IS HOW IT WORKS.
SO, AS I SAID, WE HAVEN'T DONE A MAJOR EVALUATION OF OUR FEES.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS ALWAYS SAY THEY'RE TOO HIGH, BUT WE JUST LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE REGION MOST OFTEN, THEY DON'T CHANGE REALLY ALL THAT MUCH.
SO DIRECTOR, UM, THE FIRST TWO BULLET POINTS, UM, IN SOME WAYS ARE NOT NECESSARILY COMPATIBLE OR NOT COMPATIBLE WORK.
THEY'RE, THEY REPRESENT TWO VERY DIFFERENT APPROACHES.
UM, ONE IS THAT MARKET ANALYSIS, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AROUND TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR AND WHAT, UM, SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, GETTING ALONG.
UM, I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED THOUGH, AND THIS IS MORE OF A, SOMETHING WHERE LEGAL MIGHT WANNA WEIGH IN, BUT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT WORKS RELATIVELY THAT CAN SERVICE, SERVICE YOU IF EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE REGION IS SETTING THEIR FEES APPROPRIATELY.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE BULLET POINT NUMBER TWO IS WHAT I, IF I WERE A JUDGE, THAT'S WHAT I'D BE LOOKING FOR, IS THE RATIONALE FOR, UH, WHY ARE YOU, WHY ARE YOU CHARGING THAT MUCH? UM, AND IT'S, IF IT'S JUST, WELL, BECAUSE THEY ARE, IT'S NOT A GOOD ENOUGH ANSWER.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE YOUR COSTS AND ARE YOU GOUGING THE PUBLIC OR ARE YOU, ARE YOU SUBSIDIZING WITH TAX DOLLARS WHAT YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IN TO PAY FOR YOUR TIME? SO, UM, I I, YEAH, IN SHORT, OUR FEES, UH, I'LL JUST STATE YEAH, OUR FEES DO NOT COVER OUR TIME.
UM, THEY, UH, WHEN YOU THINK WHEN WE HAVE SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT COME THROUGH, WE'RE, WE'RE ROUNDING UP ENGINEERS, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OF THE HOURLY RATE OF THEIR TIME AND LEGAL, I MEAN, LEGAL IS VERY HIGH ON THEIR TIME.
BUT, UH, YEAH, THEY, UM, WE REALLY DON'T RECOUP THE COST A LOT OF TIMES OF WHAT OUR FEES REFLECT.
AND WE'VE NEVER DONE A MARKET ANALYSIS OF IT.
SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING FOR, 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE WANTING TO HAVE, RIGHT? AND, AND EVERY DEPARTMENT BRINGS NEW CHALLENGES.
UH, DO YOU SUBSIDIZE THE ZOO BECAUSE THE EXPERIENCE IS SO WORTHWHILE? MM-HMM,
COST RECOVERY RATIOS, BECAUSE YOU SAY FEES, COVER BUDGET, AND THEN GOES INTO GENERAL FUND, BUT THAT YOU JUST SAID FEES DON'T COVER BUDGET.
YEAH, SO THEY, WELL, THEY DON'T COVER, UH, SO LIKE WE CHARGE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PLAN REVIEW FEE IS.
SAY IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR IT, BUT YOU FIGURE THE PLAN REVIEWER IS LOOKING AT THAT FOR MULTIPLE HOURS.
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IT DOESN'T EQUATE TO THE HOURLY TIME WORKED.UM, AND THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME IS THAT IT EBBS AND FLOWS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, IF WE HAVE MORE CONSTRUCTION, WE OBVIOUSLY ARE BRINGING IN A LOT MORE MONEY TO THE CITY, BUT WHEN IT, WHEN IT GOES DOWN, WE'RE ALWAYS THE SAME IN THE GENERAL FUND NO MATTER WHAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT WHAT, SO IN THE YEARS WHEN WE ARE BRINGING IN MORE, BECAUSE IT'S A HEAVY, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ECONOMY'S BOOMING.
UM, THEN, UH, WE MAKE WHAT WE DON'T CHARGE FOR HOURLY, WE MAKE UP FOREIGN QUANTITY.
AND SO THE DEPARTMENT IS STILL BRINGING IN MORE THAN IT'S ASKING.
BUT IN THOSE DOWN YEARS, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THE FEE CHARGE STARTS TO REALLY MATTER IN TERMS OF WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT I GUESS I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE CITY GENERAL FUND DOESN'T DEPEND ON THESE FEES HAVE TO, WE, WE BENEFIT FROM A BLUE ECONOMY IN MORE WAYS THAN JUST, UH, WITH PROPERTY TAXES.
SO, BUT I MEAN, COULD DEAL WITH IT LATER, BUT IT'S MORE LIKE HOLDING THAT IN THE EVER NORMAL LEVEL.
SO ON THE BAD YEARS, WE ALREADY HAVE MONEY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT STILL SAYS, IS HOLDING THE, I DUNNO IF IT MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK THE FINANCE, UH, TEAM WOULD BE, UH, ABLE TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT AS WELL FROM A DIFFERENT, FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING INTELLIGENT THERE, JEFF.
WELL, OUR BUDGET STAYS THE SAME WHETHER WE'RE WE'RE BOOMING OR BUSTING.
AND MAYBE AN ANECDOTE IS WHEN I WAS IN WYOMING, UM, I WAS OVER BUILDING DIVISION THERE AND THEY WERE ALWAYS
AND THEY SAID, WHY DOESN'T THAT EQUATE? I SAID, WELL, IT'S 'CAUSE THE GENERAL FUND, IT JUST KIND OF GOES OUT INTO THE POD AND IT GETS REDISTRIBUTED THAT WAY.
SO WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY DEPENDENT.
THE FEES BRING IN MONEY TO US, THAT'S TRUE, BUT WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON RUNNING OUR DEPARTMENT ON THEM.
I GUESS I'M JUST SAYING, WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL THAT THOSE FEES REALLY ARE NOT ADDED INTO GENERAL REVENUE GENERAL FUND.
AND SOME CITIES DO LOOK AT THAT.
WHEN I WENT IN AND, UH, I WENT TO HENDERSON, NEVADA, THEY ACTUALLY TIED THE FEE SCHEDULE TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT STAFF TOOK.
AND SO IT WAS THE, THE BUDGET OF THAT YEAR WAS DEPENDENT ON HOW MUCH THEY WERE MAKING.
HENDERSON WAS GROWING, BUT THAT'S JUST HOW THEY SET IT UP.
SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, UM, I'VE ALREADY KIND OF HIT ON THAT FIRST POINT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPECIAL PROJECTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT REQUIRE BUDGETARY FUNDS.
WE'RE ALWAYS DOING RESEARCH, BUT, UM, THE TWO MAIN ONES IS THAT WE HAD CITY WORKS THAT CAME IN AND WE, UH, ARE UPDATING CITY WORKS WITH ARPA FUNDS, AND THEN WE HAVE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.
UH, THAT'S A MATCH FROM THE STATE.
SO WE UTILIZED A GRANT AND THEN, UH, WE ACCOMMODATED FOR THAT IN OUR BUDGET.
UM, I MENTIONED THIS IN OUR FIRST, UH, BUDGET MEETING, BUT LONG-TERM NEEDS, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THIS MONEY, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP THINGS ON YOUR RADAR.
SO ONE IS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE WAIVER FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, I KNOW WE'VE ALLOCATED MONEY TO THAT, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THAT REALLY LONG TERM.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO KEEP ON OUR RADAR.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, BRIAN MENTIONED ONE THING THAT WE, WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH IN RIGHT NOW, THE TRADES ARE PAYING EXTREMELY HIGH AND, UH, MOST OF OUR INSPECTORS ON THE BUILDING SIDE COME IN TOWARDS THE LATTER PART OF THEIR CAREER.
SO JUST SOMETHING I HAVE JUST TO BE THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE IS HOW WE'RE GONNA ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, MOST OF OUR INSPECTORS ARE AT THE END OF THEIR CAREER, THEY'VE WORKED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND THEN THEY, UM, ARE NEAR RETIREMENT.
SEE, THEY DON'T HAVE A PENSION AND THEY DON'T HAVE BENEFITS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY COME AND WORK FOR US.
SO IT'S NICE WE GET THE EXPERIENCE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE YOUNG GUYS, THEY CAN EASILY WORK OUT, UM, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR ALMOST DOUBLE TO TRIPLE WHAT WE PAY ON SALARY.
SO IT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A REVOLVING DOOR IN OUR INSPECTOR, UM, SIDE, WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC.
AND THEN ALSO A, AGAIN, THIS IS LONG TERM, UH, NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE BOOMS AND BUST CYCLES.
UM, WILL WE CONTINUE TO GROW? AND IF SO, THAT PUTS A, AN EVEN GREATER STRAIN ON CDS AND OUR REVIEW CAPABILITIES.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF PERSONNEL, UM, HOW TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT.
IT'S A, IT'S A CONSTANT CONCERN OF OURS BECAUSE JUST THE DEMANDS THAT ARE ON US.
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I, I JUST HAVE THAT OUT THERE.I'M NOT ASKING FOR A NEW PERSONNEL, I HAVEN'T DONE ANY MARKET STUDY ON IT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IN THE LONG TERM, WE DO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIRE PRIVATE CONTRACTORS TO DO ANY OF THIS WORK? THERE IS, UH, WE, UH, WE CAN DO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN OUTSOURCE PLAN REVIEW.
UM, YES, SHORT ANSWER IS YES, AND WE, UH, IT COSTS A LOT ON OUR BUDGET, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN DOING IT IN HOUSE.
BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU PLAN FOR NOT A BOOM YEAR AND THEN WHEN, WHEN THE BOOM COMES RATHER THAN IRON SOMEBODY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING, YOU'RE HAVING MORE REVENUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE PLANS TO REVIEW EVEN THAT'S THE TIME YOU SEEK OUT HAVING SOMEBODY OUTSIDE AND DO YEAH.
AND, AND ALSO LIKE OUR COMMERCIAL PLANS EXAMINER, UH, WE HIRED THAT POSITION LAST YEAR AND CODY HAS BEEN AWESOME.
AND, UM, YEAH, WE, WE WERE OUTSOURCING SOME OF THAT AND WE BURNED THROUGH THAT VERY QUICKLY.
CODY CAN ACTUALLY DO IT FASTER AND CHEAPER.
SO, SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, OVER TIME, IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, THE STRATEGY WAS, UH, EXACTLY THAT WAS TO TUCK A LITTLE MONEY INTO THE BUDGET OF, IN CASE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTRACT HELP WAS NEEDED.
UM, AND THAT WORKS REALLY WELL WHEN THE ECONOMY IS SLOW.
UM, AND YOU CAN FIND A CONTRACTOR FOR NOT SO MUCH MONEY IF YOU NEED 'EM, BUT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED 'EM THEN.
BUT WHEN THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING AS IT HAS BEEN FOR THIS DEPARTMENT'S FACING BASICALLY THE LAST, UM, THREE AND A HALF YEARS, UM, THEY, UM, HAVE FOUND THAT THE LITTLE BIT OF MONEY YOU TUCKED AWAY DIDN'T BEGIN TO PUT IT DOWN IN WHAT IT COSTS TO HIRE SOMEONE WHEN THE ECONOMY'S BOOMING.
AND YOU CAN'T, UM, YOU CAN'T HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND YOU CAN'T HIRE A, A HUMAN BEING, UH, TO COME IN TO, TO WORK FOR THE CITY.
AND SO IT, IT, IT WORKS WELL IN THEORY, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK WELL IN REALITY WHEN YOU HAVE THESE, THESE SOARING SALARIES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
SO IT IS A PROBLEM TO, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX IT.
AND IT ONLY WORKS IF YOU HAVE UNLIMITED MONEY FOR CONTRACTORS, AND WE DON'T.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY OF YOU, ANY OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN AROUND LONGER, MICHELLE, THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND SOLVED IT IN YOUR HEAD.
SO LOOKING FORWARD, WE, A LOT OF THIS DEALT WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
WE DON'T, IN CDS, WE DON'T BUILD
UM, AND WE, WHAT WE ARE BUILDING, I GUESS I'D USE THAT TERM IN QUOTES, UM, IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IF, IF THERE'S A STAFF INCREASE, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT.
BUT WE JUST HAVE THINGS LIKE COMPUTERS THAT WE'RE ROTATING OUT, CARS THAT WE'RE ROTATING OUT.
UM, WE ALSO, OVER IN THE, IN THE ROOM NEXT TO US, THAT AREA IS PRIMARILY FOR THE BUILDING DIVISION.
WE, WE HAVE ALL OF THIS ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET TO SLOWLY BUILD, LIKE WE HAVE CUBICLES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD OVER THERE JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE INSPECTORS WHEN THEY'RE BACK IN THE OFFICE.
'CAUSE IN THE WINTERTIME, THEY'RE REVIEWING PLANS OR SOMETIMES EVEN IN THE SUMMER, THEY'RE BACK IN THE OFFICE.
BUT THEY'RE VERY SMALL MINOR THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO CAPITAL.
AND WE ALWAYS BUILD THAT INTO OUR BUDGET.
SO THERE'S, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BUY A SATELLITE TRUCK OR ANYTHING SINCE.
SO, UH, SO THAT'S OUR KIND OF OUR OVERVIEW OF OUR, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? AND THEN I'LL GO INTO OUR, UH, PRIORITIES THAT YOU HAD SAID WITH OUR LAST BUDGET VIEW.
SO, UM, SO THE TWO, THE TWO COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT, THAT YOU FOLKS, UH, GAVE TO US WAS ONE, TO EXPEDITE THE PERMITTING AND REVIEW PROCESS, UM, AND ALSO TO IMPROVE HOUSING OPTIONS IN IDAHO FALLS.
UM, AND THEN THE BULLET POINTS ARE IN THERE.
UM, SO I WILL START FIRST WITH EXPEDITED PERMITTING AND REVIEW.
AND THIS IS WHERE I'LL, UH, I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR PERMIT AND SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
AND I WANNA SAY THAT, THAT I, I SEPARATE THEM HERE, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A PERMIT, THE PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THAT TERM REALLY HOLISTICALLY.
IT'S BASICALLY THAT PERMIT IS EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER CONSTRUCTION IS OCCURRING, IT'S MEETING LOCAL STANDARDS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY, NOT JUST FOR THE CURRENT PROJECT, BUT ALSO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROJECT INTO THE FUTURE.
UM, SO THIS IS ALL REGULATED THROUGH THE ICC FAMILY OF CODES AND THAT, AND PRIMARILY WHERE THAT FALLS IS WITH THE IRC, THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL CODE AND THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
AND WHEN THEY SAY FAMILIES REALIZE THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS
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OUTSIDE OF THOSE CODES, FOR EXAMPLE, A BUILDING PERMIT STILL HAS TO MEET FIRE SUPPRESSION REGULATIONS.IT STILL HAS TO MEET OTHER THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO OUTSOURCE TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
SO, UM, AND ALSO WHEN WE LOOK AT A BUILDING PERMIT, REALIZE THAT A BUILDING PERMIT AND A SITE PLAN, IT'S A MARRIAGE MADE IN HEAVEN.
THEY, THEY REALLY ARE THE SAME THING.
SO OFTEN WE SEPARATE THOSE TERMS, BUT REALIZE A BUILDING PERMIT AND SITE PLAN ARE THE SAME THING.
UM, SO WHEN ARE THESE REQUIRED? WHEN IS THIS PERMIT REQUIRED FROM THE CITY? AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CODE ACTUALLY LAYS THAT OUT.
IT SAYS, WHENEVER YOU CONSTRUCT ALTER MOVE OR CHANGE THE USE OF A STRUCTURE OR UNDERTAKE ANY DEVELOPMENT, A PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
AND REALIZE THAT'S NOT JUST A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN CONSTRUCTION DRAWING.
SOMETIMES WITH THE SITE PLAN, YOU ALSO HAVE TO SUBMIT STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WERE REVIEWED BY PUBLIC WORKS.
I MENTIONED FIRE HAS A, HAS A STAKE IN THAT.
AND ALSO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE FAA, LIKE REEDS DAIRY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO GO OUT TO FAA STANDARDS.
SO, UM, I JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE PERMITTING IS, IS VERY HOLISTIC.
WE HAVE TO WORK VERY COLLABORATIVE COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO POINT FINGERS, I'M JUST TRYING TO PRESENT IT IN A VERY OPEN AND HONEST FASHION.
AND ALSO WITH THESE, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS NOT JUST OF WHAT A PERMIT IS, BUT WHO CAN ACTUALLY DRAW THOSE, THOSE DOCUMENTS.
SO AN ARCHITECT IS THE OA LICENSED ARCHITECT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN BUILD, DRAW BUILDING PLANS.
UM, IT CAN'T BE SOMEBODY HERE OR THERE.
IT, IT'S ALL REQUIRED PER OUR CODES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW, AS I SAID, WE'RE COLLABORATOR COLLABORATORS WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND, BUT ALSO CDS IS THE SHEPHERD.
UM, THERE ARE SOMETIMES WHERE WE'RE SHEPHERDING THESE PROJECTS THROUGH THE PROCESS, REALIZE THAT WE ARE NOT THE INTERPRETER OF THE CODE, WE ARE JUST THE SHEPHERDER.
SO IF A SHEEP GETS STUCK IN THE THICKET, WE'RE KIND OF PRODDING IT ALONG TO GET IT THROUGH TO THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE'VE PROMISED TO THE DEVELOPER.
SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT, THAT WE, EVEN THOUGH SITE PLANS, PLATS, BUILDING PERMITS, ALL THOSE THINGS, IT'S VERY COLLABORATIVE WITHIN THE CITY AND WE HAVE TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CODES WE DON'T HAVE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE IN.
AND SO WE DEFER TO AN INTERPRETATION.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S ALWAYS THE OTHER DEPARTMENT.
SOMETIMES IT IS CD S'S INTERPRETATION.
SOMETIMES THAT'S WHAT SLOWS OR MOVES THE PROJECT FASTER.
SO, SO IS THERE REALLY FORMAL PROCESS TO GET ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER? YES, THERE IS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M SHOWING YOU THIS.
THIS WAS, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN I CAME TO THE CITY, OUR PERMIT REVIEW REALLY FOCUSED IN ON ONE INDIVIDUAL AND WE'RE TALKING BUILDING PERMIT AT THIS POINT.
SO I'M KIND OF SEPARATING IT EVEN THOUGH I MARRIED HIM TOGETHER.
SO WHEN IT COMES IN, IT WENT, IT WAS BASICALLY A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE AND IT FUNNELED TO, TO BRIAN ACTUALLY.
IT FUNNELED ALL TO ONE INDIVIDUAL.
AND YOU THINK BRIAN HAS VACATION AND THEN THAT WOULD SLOW US UP.
SO WE LOOKED AT THIS AND WE WANTED TO FORMALIZE THE ACTUAL BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SHOWING.
UM, IT COMES IN, IT'S NOW DONE.
INITIALLY WE HAD E-TRACK IT, AND NOW WE DO CITY WORKS.
THIS WAS INTEGRATED INTO CITY WORKS THAT NOW THESE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WILL GET ROUTED TO THE INDIVIDUAL THAT NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMMERCIAL PLANS THEY SUBMITTED ONLINE, IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S IMMEDIATELY DEEMED THAT IT NEEDS TO GO TO CODY.
SO THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX.
LET'S, LET'S JUST USE REALITY HERE.
SO THAT COMMERCIAL PLAN GOES TO CODY.
CODY NOW BECOMES THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THAT.
AND NOW HE IS MAKING SURE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SEE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, LIKE PUBLIC WORKS STILL NEEDS TO SEE THAT MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING.
AND THEY NEED TO EVALUATE GEOTECHNICAL UTILITIES ON IT.
ALSO, IDAHO FALLS POWER HAS TO WEIGH IN ON IT AS WELL.
SO HE'S MAKING SURE THAT'S WORKING EFFICIENTLY.
THAT REVIEW PROCESS WE'VE STATED AS 10 DAYS, UM, PLUS OR MINUS.
UM, I'LL SHOW YOU THE DATA ON THAT.
I DO HAVE REVIEW TIMES, BUT, UM, THEN HE KICKS IT TO COMPLETENESS AND THEN THAT FINISHES OUT THE PROJECT AND I'LL SHOW IT.
ACTUALLY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE IN TIMELINE HERE.
SO, UM, AND I JUST TOOK THIS THROUGH.
I WANTED TO SHOW THIS JUST TO ILLUSTRATE SOME OF THE SNAGS THAT WE FIND IN OUR PRO UH, PROCESS.
SO WE HAVE THE BUILDING PERMIT IS APPLIED, A PROJECT MANAGER, OOPS.
IS, IS, UH, THE PROJECT MANAGER IS ASSIGNED.
THEN THAT PLAN REVIEW OCCURS, REALIZE SOMETIMES WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO GET TO THE PERMIT
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APPROVAL.PERMIT APPROVAL IS ACTUALLY ONLY HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO LET'S SAY THE PLAN FAILS, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE SOMETHING, OR THERE WAS SOMETHING NEEDED THAT THEN GOES BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND THEN WE'RE IN LIMBO UNTIL THAT DEVELOPER ADDRESSES THOSE COMMENTS.
IF IT PASSES, IT GOES ON FOR PERMIT APPROVAL.
ONCE THE PERMIT APPROVAL STILL HASN'T TAKEN PLACE, BECAUSE THE FEES THEN ARE ASSESSED, THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE IMPACT FEES, PLAN REVIEW FEES, UH, WATER TAP FEES, ALL SORTS OF FEES THAT GET IT, WHATEVER TYPE OF PROJECT IT IS.
CITY WORKS GENERATES ALL OF THOSE AND ATTACHES THEM TO THAT PROJECT.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE PERMIT IS ISSUED.
THE PERMIT ISSUANCE THOUGH, IS YOU STILL HAVE INSPECTIONS.
YOU STILL HAVE TO SHOW THAT WHAT YOU PROMISED TO BUILD, YOU ACTUALLY BILLED.
SO THIS ALSO HAS A CIRCULAR MOTION TO IT AS WELL.
SO AN INSPECTION IS DONE, AN INSPECTION CAN FAIL AND THEY'LL HAVE TO GO BACK.
SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO PULL OUT, UM, DRYWALL, YOU'LL HAVE TO GO IN AND LOOK AT IT, BUT JUST BE AWARE THAT SOMETIMES THIS IS A VERY MOVING PROCESS.
IT, IT CONSTANTLY IS MOVING, BUT THE PRIZE AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW IS THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO EVERY TIME.
AND THAT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BASICALLY MEANS THIS, THIS BUILDING IS SAFE TO INHABIT.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A C CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY CAN'T INHABIT THE BUILDING.
SO REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS GOING ON, BUT SOMETIMES WE THINK, OH, JUST GET THE PERMIT ISSUED.
WE STILL HAVE TO INSPECT, AND THIS IS NOT TRYING TO, THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE'VE HAD WITH THE UPIC BARN WE'VE STARTED HERE, WHERE HE CALLS OUT FOR INSPECTION WITHOUT EVER HAVING A PERMIT EVEN REVIEWED.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT GUMS UP THE SYSTEM DIRECTOR CENTER.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THIS? SURE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I JUST THINK FOR, UM, MY, MY CLARIFICATION AND COUNSEL'S CLARIFICATION.
WHEN, UM, EACH DEPARTMENT REVIEWS THE PLAN, CDS DOES NOT FEEL EMPOWERED AS A DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT THE COMMENTS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T CHECK ON THEIR CODE AND SAY, OH YEAH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT FIRE'S CODE.
BUT YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WAY TO, UM, SAY LIKE, OH, IF FIRE'S GONNA REQUIRE THIS AND WE'RE, AND LANDSCAPING'S GONNA BE THIS, YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE IS A ROLE FOR CVS RIGHT.
CURRENTLY TO, UM, CHECK THAT BEFORE IT GOES OUT THE DOOR.
LIKE JUST EVERY DEPARTMENT SUBMITS THEIR COMMENTS AND REVIEWS AND THEN IT JUST GOES OUT THE DOOR.
IS THAT KIND OF MY UNDERSTANDING? UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.
WE DO LOOK OVER COMMENTS, THE PROJECT MANAGER.
SO, UH, LET'S SAY A SITE PLAN LIKE NAISHA LOOKS OVER THE COMMENTS.
SO SHE'S ONE OF OUR CURRENT PLANNERS.
SHE'LL SAY, HEY, PUBLIC WORKS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, THESE TWO DON'T ALIGN.
AND SO WE DO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT THAT POINT TO COLLABORATE BETWEEN THE TWO DEPARTMENTS.
UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES, YOUR FIRST QUESTION WAS, DO WE INTERPRET, WE, WE, I'M NOT A TRAINED ENGINEER, SO I DON'T INTERPRET ENGINEERING'S CODE OR FIRES CODE OR POWERS CODE, BUT, BUT CVS IS THE QUALITY CONTROL BEFORE IT GOES BACK OUT THE DOOR FOR ANY KIND OF MISMATCHED COMMENTS THAT MIGHT OCCUR ON A SITE PLAN, AGREE WITH THAT? UM, I WOULD SAY YES TO A POINT.
I THINK WHAT WADE IS ALLUDING TO IS THAT WE ARE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT TRAINED ENGINEERS.
WE'RE NOT, UM, THE FIRE MARSHAL.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR EXPERTISE.
AND SO THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT EITHER WE DON'T UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN POWER OR WATER AND LOCATION OF UTILITIES.
WE TRY TO SEE IF THERE ARE CONFLICTS.
IF THERE ARE CONFLICTS, WE TRY TO RAISE THAT CONCERN AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR MAJOR DEAL BREAKERS OR RED FLAGS, RIGHT? IF WE SEE A DEAL BREAKER OR A RED FLAG, WELL, WHO ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO GET IN THE ROOM TO GET A QUESTION ANSWERED? AND SO WE VERY MUCH DO SEE OURSELVES AS FACILITATORS TRYING, AGAIN, SHEPHERDING THE PROJECT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, THAT'S CHALLENGING WHEN YOU HAVE 20 PLUS ACTIVE PROJECTS THAT ARE, SEEM TO ALL BE ON THE SAME REVIEW TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND WE DO SEE OURSELVES AS A FACILITATOR.
SOMETIMES THAT PROBABLY WORKS BETTER THAN OTHERS, BUT YEAH.
SO, UH, I WANTED TO GET IN A LITTLE BIT TOO ABOUT A SITE PLAN.
WHAT DOES SITE PLAN, AS I SAID, THESE ACTUALLY MESH TOGETHER AND I'LL, I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS RATHER QUICKLY.
UM, BUT A SITE PLAN IS, IS THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING.
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SHOWS, THE BUILDING SITE PLAN SHOWS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, BASICALLY THE LOT.UM, THERE IS A SITE PLAN CHECKLIST, UM, THAT WE HAVE ON OUR BUILDING DIVISION WEBPAGE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE INTEGRATED THAT CHECKLIST INTO CITY WORKS.
SO WHENEVER A SITE PLAN, WE, WE GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT WHY DO YOU APPLY THIS ON THE SITE PLAN? AND IT IS, I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS.
I'LL GO THROUGH THIS VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE THEORETICAL, BUT IT COMES FROM GRAD SCHOOL.
BUT I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT A BOOK OF WHY WE DO SITE PLANS AND BASICALLY IT'S TO MEET THE CODE OF COURSE, BUT ALSO IT CREATES HISTORICAL RECORDS.
IT HELPS PROVIDE AN EFFICIENT USE OF THE LAND.
IT MINIMIZES THE IMPACT BETWEEN ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
UM, IT ALSO ENSURES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SERVICE THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
YOU DON'T OFTEN THINK OF THAT, BUT SOMETIMES THERE ISN'T A WATER SEWER LINE THAT CAN ACTUALLY SERVICE THE PROPERTY.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT ALSO HELPS WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE ON GEOGRAPHIC AND TOPOGRAPHIC ISSUES OF VEGETATION ISSUES THAT MAY BE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHY KIND OF THE THEORY OF BEHIND SITE PLAN.
AND THEN OF COURSE, I DIDN'T WANT TO SOUND TOO BUREAUCRATIC ON THIS SLIDE, BUT IT IS IN OUR CODE.
UM, WHY WE REQUIREMENT IS ACTUALLY COMES DIRECTLY OUT OF THE IBC.
THE IBC IS ADOPTED BY THE STATE.
SO REALIZE THAT THIS IS A STATE REQUIREMENT ON THE BUILDING PERMIT AND SITE PLAN.
ALSO, THE ELEMENTS OF THE SITE PLAN, THERE ARE CODE SECTIONS THAT ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHT WHAT NEED TO BE ON THEIR OUTSIDE OF OUR CHECKLIST.
SO I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THOSE SECTIONS THERE.
SO, UM, I JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE THE SITE PLAN SEEMS SO CUMBERSOME.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THOSE CODE SECTIONS AND MAKE SURE WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THERE IS ON THERE.
AND ALSO THAT WE MEET THE BUILDING CODE.
SO I WANTED TO GO INTO SOME DATA ON THIS AND UM, KERRY WAS, WAS GREAT.
HE WENT BACK AND, UM, I JUST HAVE TO GIVE KUDOS FOR HIM.
HE, HE DID THIS IN HIS EVENING TIME,
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY HAVE TWO YEARS WORTH OF DATA AND THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN REVIEW TIME.
A CAVEAT TO THIS IS, UH, REALIZE I DON'T MEAN TO GET A STATISTICAL NERD ON YOU, BUT SOME OF THESE SPREADS OF THE REVIEW TIMES ARE QUITE LARGE.
AND SO I ACTUALLY HAD TO TAKE THE AVERAGE AND THEN GO OUT TO STANDARD DEVIATION.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE PLUS OR MINUS ON A LOT OF THESE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE TELLING FOR US THAT WE REALIZE THERE, THERE IS SOME IMPROVEMENT AND ALSO I THINK WE'RE ALSO DOING WELL.
UH, SO I POINT OUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, WE HAVE OUR REVIEW TIME.
AND WHAT YOU WANNA SEE IS AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT YOU ACTUALLY ARE CUTTING OFF YOUR TIME VERY RAPIDLY, WHICH WE ARE SEEING ON BOTH 2023 AND 2024.
THAT MEANS THAT REVIEW IN THE LATTER REVIEWS, UM, ARE USUALLY SMALL COMMENTS THAT ARE GETTING ADDRESSED.
HOWEVER, WE'RE FINDING ON AVERAGE IN 2023 IN PARTICULAR, UH, SO REALIZE THERE'S A STANDARD DEVIATION TO THIS.
SO I'D ADD OR MINUS ABOUT TWO ON THIS.
BUT, UM, WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 12 DAYS IN 2023 FOR PLAN REVIEW OR SITE PLAN REVIEW.
OUR SHORTEST REVIEW TIME WAS SEVEN DAYS AND OUR LONGEST REVIEW TIME WAS 26 DAYS.
IT DEPENDS ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPER TURNAROUND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, OVERALL, UH, THE AVERAGE WAS 16 DAYS THAT IT TOOK FOR A DEVELOPER TO TURN AROUND A PROJECT AND GET BACK TO US.
AND THESE I TOOK ONLY ON FIRST SUBMITTAL.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE MOST COMPLEX, UH, REVIEWS, THE FIRST AND SECOND SUBMITTAL.
UM, SO OUR SHORTEST REVIEW WAS THREE.
OUR LONGEST RESUBMITTAL WAS 113 DAYS THAT IT TOOK FOR THE DEVELOPER TO GET BACK TO US.
UM, THE NUMBER OF REVIEWS PASSED.
THIRD REVIEW IN 2023 WAS ONLY 9% OF OUR OVERALL PROJECTS.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T GO OUT TO PASS FOURTH REVIEW IN 2023 ON ALL PROJECTS FOR THE CITY.
2024 WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UH, REALIZED THAT WE IMPLEMENTED CITY WORKS ABOUT, UH, NOT QUITE HALFWAY THROUGH THIS, MAYBE ABOUT A QUARTER TO A THIRD THROUGH THIS.
UH, AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING A GOOD TREND LINE THAT THESE ARE DROPPING OFF AND THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY GOING LONG.
UM, SO IN 2024, OUR OVERALL AVERAGE REVIEW TIME DIDN'T CHANGE.
SO THIS WAS QUITE INTERESTING TO SEE THIS LAST WEEK, OUR SHORTEST REVIEW IN 2024 WAS 12 DAYS, AND OUR LONGEST REVIEW WAS 24.
UM, THE, THEN THE OVERALL AVERAGE WAS 13 DAYS FOR THE DEVELOPER TO GET BACK TO US.
THIS WAS THE NUMBER THAT HIT ME.
UH, THE NUMBER OF REVIEWS PAST 30 REVIEW WAS 34%.
WE, WE JUMPED QUITE DRASTICALLY IN 2024.
WE WERE TALKING, UH, AS WE WERE PREPARING
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THIS AS THE DIVISION HEADS.WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THE, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE PROJECTS ARE BECOMING MORE COMPLEX.
UM, WE HAVE, BRIAN DIDN'T MENTION IT, BUT WE HAVE OUR FIRST FIVE STORY BUILDING GOING UP THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED IN THE CITY OF IDAHO FALLS.
AND WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY GOING IN AS WELL.
AND I'LL SHOW THAT IN A SECOND.
BUT, UM, JUST BE AWARE, OUR REVIEW TIME IS STAYING CONSTANT, WHICH IS GOOD.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE ON SOME OF THESE, LIKE WE HAVE LIKE FIRST REVIEW, OUR PROJECTS HAVE STILL BEEN LONG TURNAROUNDS AND SO WE'RE ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT TOO.
I REALIZE I'M SHOWING YOU PROBLEMS, BUT, UM, BUT YES, WAIT, I MEAN, DIRECTOR CENTER, COULD IT BE THAT IT, WHEN IT GOES BACK TO THE DEVELOPERS, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST ONE THAT I HAVE HEARD REGULARLY THAT THEY, AT THAT POINT THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURE HOW TO INCORPORATE EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT, IT IS, IT IS MORE COMPLEX.
THEY'RE DOING MORE COMPLEX PROJECTS.
AND SO THE, SO IT'S HARD FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S HARDER FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THE, THE CODE INTO THEIR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY'RE DOING INFILL OR WHATEVER.
AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT.
UH, WELL, FROM ANECDOTES, I, I'M JUST SHOWING THE DATA AND I, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING IS THEY'RE MORE COMPLEX AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THE ENGINEERING FIRMS ALSO ARE JUST AS OVERWORKED AS WE ARE.
AND SO WE THINK MAYBE THAT'S PLAYING INTO IT.
BUT YEAH, IF IT'S COMMUNICATION, I, I HAVE THAT ON A FUTURE SLIDE OF HOW WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.
BUT I ALSO DID SOME OF MY OWN RESEARCH.
UH, I WENT OUT AND I TRIED TO LOOK AT TIMEFRAMES OF, UM, AND I WAS BASING IT ON THE 10 DAY.
UM, SO I JUST CALLED IT, I TRIED TO GET A SWATH OF, OF THE STATE AND I CALLED EACH ONE OF THESE FOUR.
I WENT OUT AND JUST TO THEIR WEBSITE.
NICE THING TO KNOW IS WITH, WHEN IT COMES TO SINGLE FAMILY, WE ACTUALLY ARE BASICALLY ON PAR WITH THE REST OF THE STATE.
OUR, OUR REVIEW TIME, THE ONLY OUT BUYERS ARE BOISE IS VERY FAST, AND AMMAN AND BLACKFOOT ARE, ARE RATHER QUICK.
UM, BUT ON THE MULTI-FAMILY, WE ACTUALLY ARE IN THE LOWER PERCENTILE.
WE'RE TURNING AROUND THE MULTI-FAMILY RATHER RAPIDLY.
UM, THE HIGHEST ONE WAS BOISE WHO SAID THEIR TURNAROUND TIME WAS 43 DAYS.
SO WHEN YOU SUBMIT TO THEM, IT TAKES 'EM 43 DAYS TO GENERATE THEIR COMMENTS AND COME BACK OUT.
THEY'RE, I APPRECIATE THIS DATA, BUT THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE ALSO LIKE MERIDIAN AND BOISE.
THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH, ESPECIALLY MULTI-FAMILY GROWTH ON THAT SIDE OF THE STATE.
SO, UM, BUT I, I WAS, I KIND OF WAS WEARING A BADGE OF HONOR.
WE'RE BEATING AMON AND BLACKFOOT, YOU KNOW, SO I WAS KIND OF LIKE, HEY,
SO ANYWAYS, SO THAT WAS JUST STUFF I WANTED TO LOOK AT, JUST TO GIVE THAT GOOD COMPARISON OF HOW WE'RE DOING.
UM, SO HOW ARE WE EXPEDITING THIS? UM, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS.
I, I MUST ADMIT, I'VE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATION WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BURTON SHAW ON THIS TOPIC.
AND, UM, CITY WORKS HAS HELPED IT, IT HELPED A LOT OF STREAMLINING OF OUR PROCESSES AND IT ALSO MADE EVERYTHING ELECTRONIC.
UM, I DO KNOW SOME PEOPLE IT CAUSES SOME PROBLEMS 'CAUSE WHATEVER EMAIL YOU HAVE REGISTERED, LIKE WE'LL HAVE A DEVELOPER CALL US, SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS PROJECT IS OR WHERE IS IT IN THE PROCESS? AND IT'S HIS ELECTRICAL, UH, INSTALLER IS THE ONE THAT'S REGISTERED.
AND SO SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A QUIRK THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.
BUT, UH, DID, YEAH, I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, DO YOU, DO YOU EVER FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING ELECTRONICALLY AND YOU DON'T INTERACT WITH ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, THAT IF YOU'RE GETTING SILOED A LITTLE BIT AND YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU DON'T FIRE WANTS TO TALK TO YOU, BUT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT IS.
IF IT'S ALL ONLINE, THEN THEY NEVER GET THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND I KNOW EVERY, I MEAN, THE FIRE MARSH USED TO COME DOWN HERE AND WON'T GO IN THAT ROOM RIGHT ACROSS THE HALL RIGHT THERE, RIGHT.
AND SPEND HOURS IN THERE GOING OVER THE PLAN.
AND IF HE HAD A QUESTION, HE COULD WALK DOWN THE HALL AND TALK TO SOMEBODY.
YOU THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM? THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I, THROUGH BLUEBEAM, WE ACTUALLY, I THINK WE STILL GET THAT COLLABORATIVE COMPONENT.
WE'RE JUST SITTING AT OUR DESK.
AND THEN WHEN WE SEE, CARRIE MENTIONED THIS, I DIDN'T MENTION THIS AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, BUT THROUGH THOSE COMMENTS, WE ARE STILL COLLABORATING.
IT'S JUST NOT IN PERSON AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE FASTER.
BUT WHEN THINGS ESCALATE, CARRIE ILLUSTRATED IT WELL, WE'LL GO OUT AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? OR THIS IS GONNA OFFSET THIS AND, AND WE NEED TO TALK THIS THROUGH.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ELEMENT COMES IN, IF, IF THAT EXPLAINS IT.
DO YOU HAVE, DO YOUR, DOES YOUR STAFF HAVE SPECIFIC PEOPLE IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENT THEY COULD CALL THAT PERSON WHEN THEY HAVE I GOT A QUESTION.
THIS IS THE PERSON I CALL EVERY TIME.
YEAH, LIKE WE CALLED BRIAN CUNNINGHAM OR CHRIS CAMFIELD ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE.
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SCOTT GRIMMET IS WHO WE TALKED TO IN FIRE.AND UH, AND JUST TO MAYBE GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ANECDOTE.
ONE SIDE OF THE IN-PERSON DOES SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS AS WELL.
WHEN I WAS STARTING IN KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, AND ALSO IN, UM, IN UTAH, WE USED TO DO IT BY PAPER.
SO THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO PRINT SEVEN PLANS AND THEN I, AS THE PROJECT MANAGER, WOULD TAKE IN THOSE PLANS AND PHYSICALLY ROUTE THEM TO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
AND THAT USUALLY TOOK ME A DAY OR TWO, SO IT JUST SLOWED IT DOWN.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, YOU GET, YOU GET SOME, AND I GUESS MAYBE YOU'LL LOSE SOME, BUT I THINK WE STILL IN PERSON COLLABORATE QUITE WELL.
UH, AND I'LL JUST MOVE THROUGH THESE TIME.
IS IT, OH, UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO PROJECT MANAGER FOCUS.
I, I, I'M, TO PUT A CAVEAT TO THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE THE SHEPHERD.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN LIKE IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FIRE, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO SCOTT GRIMMET OR TOLA.
UM, SO REALIZE WHEN WE'RE PRO, WHEN WE SAY PROJECT MANAGER, IT, IT, THEY ALSO ARE CONNECTING TO INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE CITY.
UH, WE'RE JUST SHEPHERDING THAT THROUGH.
SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE GOING OVER LIKE, WE'LL, WE'LL TELL THEM, HEY, WE SEE THIS CO THIS COMMENT FROM FIRE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE FACILITATE.
BUT WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT GO OVER BUTS CODE MEANS X.
WE, WE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE FIRE'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO DO THAT.
I JUST USE FIRE AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, SO WE, WE STARTED HAVING, THIS WAS HEADED UP BY CHRIS.
UH, HE TOOK THE LEAD ON THIS, BUT WE HAVE STARTED HAVING MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
WE HAD THEM A YEAR AGO WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRMS. SO WE JUST HAD ONE IN OCTOBER 22ND.
WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE, NOVEMBER 21ST WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRMS TO SEE WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS THAT YOU'RE HAVING WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND TO TALK THAT THROUGH.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE INFORMATION OFFICER, UH, UH, TO TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATION ELEMENTS.
THIS ONE'S KIND OF BEEN A LITTLE BIT BUMPED A LITTLE BIT JUST 'CAUSE OF MY SCHEDULE.
BUT WE DO WANT TO INCREASE COMMUNICATION, UM, WITH, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
AND THEN SOMETHING THAT WAS THROWN OUT.
WE HAD A MEETING JUST THE DIRECTORS ABOUT THIS THAT I, I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA, BUT AS A, THIS WAS JUST THROWN OUT AS AN IDEA.
BUT WHEN WE, WE KIND OF CIRCLED THE WAGONS AFTER WE GET PAST, IF WE'RE ON FOURTH REVIEW, I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE COME TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT 'CAUSE IT WAS AN IDEA THAT WAS THROWN OUT THAT I THOUGHT WAS A VERY GOOD SOLUTION.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, I DIDN'T WANNA PUT ALL OUR EGGS IN CITY WORKS BASKET, BUT THAT IS HELPING US.
UM, BUT WE ALSO ARE STILL LISTENING TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
WE KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF CONCERNS OUT THERE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THOSE CONCERNS WHERE WE CAN, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT REALISTICALLY.
AND THAT, UM, SOMETIMES DEVELOPMENT IS JUST SO COMPLEX AND SOMETHING, SOME THINGS THAT GET, I'M NOT POINTING FINGER FINGERS, BUT SOME THINGS THAT GET PAST A CDS OR CDS SHOULD MANAGE REALLY IS SOMETHING MAYBE ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE, OR MAYBE IT'S AN OUTSIDE FIRM THAT THEY'RE, I KNOW WITH REED'S DAIRY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRM THAT HAD DONE THE SCHEMATICS HAD A CIVIL ENGINEER DOING ELECTRICAL ENGINEER WORK, AND THEY HAD TO OUTSOURCE THAT TO AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER.
AND THAT TOOK TIME ON THEIR SIDE.
SO I, I JUST SAY THAT SOME THINGS ARE WHAT WE CAN CONTROL, WE CONTROL, BUT WE TRY THE BEST WE CAN.
BUT THINGS WE CAN'T CONTROL, WE REALLY CAN'T.
SO I MAY BE MISREMEMBERING
MAYBE I'M NOT REMEMBERING, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE AS THE CITY SAY, HERE'S YOUR CONTACT PERSON.
THAT PERSON WILL GO TO FIRE INSTEAD OF SENDING YOU TO FIRE.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IN MY MIND IS THE FACE WE GIVE TO THE PUBLIC.
BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE GO TO GOVERNMENT AND THEY GET, OH, GO OVER HERE.
I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S LIKE A TURNOFF.
LIKE, WHO'S MY SERVANT HERE? SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT IN MY VIEW IS HERE'S THE PERSON WHO WILL GO TRACK DOWN THAT ANSWER FOR YOU AND THEN WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER THROUGH THIS DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND I REALIZE THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS THAT ARE SUPER COMPLEX THAT WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE.
BUT IF THAT WERE, IF THAT WERE EVEN REASONABLE TO SAY TO SOMEBODY, I'LL FIND THE ANSWER TO THAT FOR YOU.
YEAH, AND I THINK WE DO THAT PRETTY WELL.
UM, THE, THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT IS, IS AS I STATED, WE, WE WANT THEM TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH.
AND, AND WE WOULD RATHER, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY ASK US, WHAT DID THAT MEAN? AND WE JUST WE'RE ALWAYS HESITANT TO INTERPRET SOMEBODY ELSE'S CODE
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WRONG.AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE LIKE, SO NAYHA DOES DIRECT THEM AND SHE DOES, I'LL HELP YOU WITH THAT.
I'M USING NAISHA AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT ALL THE PLANNERS DO IT.
AND, AND EVEN THE INSPECTORS DO A GREAT JOB.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO OUT AND, HEY, I'LL REINSPECT TODAY IF I CAN SEND ME WHAT I NEED AND WE'LL GO LOOK AT IT.
UM, SO I THINK THE CUSTOMER SERVICE SIDE IS GOOD, BUT IT'S JUST THAT WE, WE DON'T WANT TO INTERPRET FIRE OR PUBLIC WORKS CODE BECAUSE SOMETIMES AN ENGINEER, AN ENGINEER TALKING IS MUCH BETTER THAN A PLANNER INSERTING THEMSELVES IN THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION VERY WELL.
IT WASN'T SO MUCH THINKING OF THE SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT WOULD DO THE INTERPRETATION, BUT WOULD GO TRACK DOWN THE ANSWERS.
THEY WOULD GIVE THE INTERPRETATION AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO AS THE SHEPHERD.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THAT ANSWER GETS COMPLEX AND THAT'S WHERE WE FACILITATE.
YOU, YOU NEED TO TALK TO FIRE AND GET AN INTERPRETATION ON THIS OR POWER.
SO I THINK SOME OF WHAT HE'S SAYING, AT LEAST WHAT I'M HEARING, AND IT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT ALL, BUT UM, IS THAT IT'S THE CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, UM, MINDSET THAT THE, UH, FIRST POINT OF CONTACT, RIGHT? WHICH WOULD MAYBE BE THE COUNTER, UH, FOLKS OR, OR, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO ACCEPT AND RECEIVE THINGS THAT ARE PHYSICALLY TURNED IN.
OBVIOUSLY THINGS THAT ARE SUBMITTED WITH ON, ON THE COMPUTER DON'T HAVE A FACE TO FACE.
BUT, UM, IF, IF THEY'RE SAYING YOU NEED TO GO TALK TO FIRE, AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, IT'S NOT SUPER HELPFUL.
BUT IF THEY SAY YOU NEED TO GO TALK TO FIRE, THAT, UH, CONTACT PERSON, UM, THAT YOU SHOULD START WITH IS SO AND SO.
AND IF YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE EMAIL ADDRESS OR HERE'S THE PHONE NUMBER WE CAN GIVEN, UH, I THINK THE ASSISTANT WHO ANSWERS THE PHONE, HER NAME IS, YOU KNOW, SUSIE, AND, AND, UH, HERE'S SUSIE'S EMAIL ADDRESS AND HERE'S WHAT YOU WANNA ASK.
THAT, THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT RESPONSE THAN YEAH.
IT'S FIRE, IT, IT, SO AGAIN, AND I KNOW THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE STAFF THAT ARE THAT, THAT ARE LIKE THAT.
AND, AND DOWNRIGHT RUDE TO FOLKS.
BUT BOY, SOMETIMES WHEN DEVELOPERS ARE FRUSTRATED AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DRIVEN BY THE BOTTOM LINE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THEY'VE GOT MONEY PRESSURES AND THEY'RE TALKING TO US.
IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF OUR STAFF ARE THAT ROUTE.
CLEARLY THEY'RE, I I CAN'T IMAGINE IT KNOWING WHO I GREET WHEN I WALK THROUGH YOUR OFFICE SPACE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A PERCEPTION PROBLEM SOMETIMES WITH OUR, WITH OUR, UH, HELPFULNESS.
AND I, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T ANSWER THAT VERY WELL.
THE, THE PHILOSOPHY I'VE, I'VE TOLD STAFF IN THE PAST THAT IT COMES FROM MY DAYS OF ATHLETICS, BUT I REMEMBER MY SOCCER COACH USED TO ALWAYS SAY, OWN THE BALL.
AND THAT WAS THE PHILOSOPHY HE ALWAYS LIVED BY IS IF YOU HAVE THE BALL, YOU'RE IN CONTROL OF IT.
YOU'VE GOTTA CONTROL WHERE IT'S GOING.
AND, UM, THAT'S KIND OF, I THINK WE DO THAT.
UM, I, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE WE ARE TOTALLY PASSING THE BUCK.
IT'S, IT'S JUST SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS GET SO COMPLICATED THAT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT THE EXPERT IN THE ROOM.
AND US INSERTING OURSELF LIKE WE FACILITATE, WE SIT IN THE MEETING.
SO YEAH, MAYBE I'M NOT, YEAH, MAYBE I'M NOT ILLUSTRATING THAT VERY WELL.
OH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I DO BETTER THAN YOU, BUT, UM, I JUST LIKE TO RESPOND, ONE, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE REALLY AWESOME STAFF AND THEY DO A REALLY GREAT JOB.
AND TWO, MY OFFICE STRATEGICALLY SITS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FRONT COUNTER.
SO I HEAR EVERY PHONE CONVERSATION AND EVERY COUNTER ASSISTANCE THAT OCCURS.
AND I ALSO SUPERVISE THE PLANNERS AS THEY SHEPHERD AND TAKE PROJECTS FROM CLASSES.
I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE SAID.
SO OUR STAFF IS VERY MUCH TRAINED THAT, LET ME TRANSFER YOU IS BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE AND A BAD RESPONSE.
AND OUR OFFICE DOES NOT RESPOND THAT WAY.
OUR OFFICE DOES RESPOND WITH, LET ME GET YOU THE NAME OF THE PERSON THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK WITH, WHO WILL BE MOST HELPFUL.
LET ME GET YOU THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION, WHETHER THAT'S AN EMAIL OR A PHONE NUMBER.
OUR PLANNERS, WHEN THEY ARE MANAGING THOSE PROJECTS ARE REACHING OUT AND TRYING TO FIND THE ANSWER FOR THAT PERSON.
SOMETIMES THAT ANSWER IS AN EMAIL TO THE REVIEWER.
SOMETIMES IT'S SETTING UP A MEETING BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE REVIEWER SO WE CAN FACILITATE A CONVERSATION AND AN UNDERSTANDING.
AND WE ARE TRAINED TO DO THAT VERY WELL.
PLANNERS ARE NATURAL FACILITATORS.
UM, AND SO I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERTISE.
I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHY THERE IS THAT NEGATIVE VIEW OUT THERE, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE EXPERIENCE AND THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT WHAT I LISTEN TO AND HEAR EACH DAY AS I SIT AT MY DESK.
SO I JUST, IT'S KIND OF MORE OF A NATURAL BREAK THERE ELSE.
BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE HOUSING OPTION, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO, UH, BRING UP? UM, OR ADD ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANTED
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ASK? NO.UM, YOU WANT ME TO BRING YOU ANYTHING TO EAT? OH, I TOTALLY MESSED UP.
NO, I, I'VE HAD SOME CHOCOLATE.
I JUST, I'M OPENING THE MEETING, SO I HAVE TO BE THERE.
UH, SO THE NEXT ONE WAS IMPROVING.
I SHOULD JUST SAY THOUGH, BEFORE WE GO ON, OH, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, KERRY, BUT WE CAN'T NOT KNOW THE ANSWER AT SOME LEVEL.
I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER EITHER.
AND I AGREE THAT YOU SIT THERE AND PROBABLY SEE GREAT THINGS HAPPEN.
BUT I MEAN, ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN GETTING CALLS CONSISTENTLY THAT IT'S NOT THE JOB.
SO THERE IS SOMETHING WE'VE GOTTA FIND OUT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S HARD FOR US AND I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT, JOHN OR COUNCILMAN RADFORD.
'CAUSE FOR, LIKE, CARRIE GOT ME THINKING ABOUT A REALLY INTENSE BUILDING PROJECT.
AND WHEN IT CAME JUST TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER FREEMAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT IN PERSON, I KNOW BRIAN AND CODY IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED AND SAID, COME IN AND THEY TOOK 'EM BACK.
WE, AND SAT DOWN WITH THEM AND JUST LAID OUT, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE NEEDING FOR YOUR PERMIT AND WE'RE NOT GETTING IT OR DO THIS AND WE CAN, WE CAN KEEP IT MOVING.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
LIKE I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
AND I, AND I SHOULD SAY ALSO, I'M WILLING TO EXPAND RESOURCES AND RESEARCH AND LIKE, I THINK WE AS A COUNSELOR ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
WELL WE, WE JUST NEED TO GET, WE NEED TO HAVE PERCEPTIONS MATCH REALITY.
AND WHETHER THAT'S MORE STORYTELLING OR WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CHANGE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE SHOULD NOT JUST, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT.
UM, THE, UH, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE QUITE QUICKLY.
I DON'T, I DIDN'T MEAN TO DRAG THIS OUT AS LONG AS, AS I APOLOGIZE, UH, BUT THE GREAT DISCUSSION, SO I DON'T WANT TO DENIGRATE THAT AT ALL.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW OUR POPULATION VERY QUICKLY.
UM, YOU'LL SEE WITHIN TWO YEARS OUR POPULATION JUMPED 5,400.
I FOUND THIS, UH, JUST IN THE NOVEMBER 4TH EAST IDAHO NEWS WHERE OUR END MIGRATION TO THE STATE IS WE'VE GOT 81,000 ADDITIONS TO OUR STATE FROM THE FOUR TOP STATES OR CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON, OREGON, AND UTAH.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN OUT MIGRATION OF 65,000.
AND THE STATES THAT PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO ARE WASHINGTON, UTAH, TEXAS, AND ARIZONA.
UM, SO WE HAVE A, A BASICALLY A GENERAL TREND LINE, BUT WE DO HAVE A JUMP WITHIN ABOUT A TWO TO THREE YEAR PERIOD.
OUR, OUR HOUSEHOLDS, UM, ARE 2.69.
I'M REMINDED OF A FAR SIDE COMIC WHERE IT HAS LIKE 0.69 OF A CHILD.
SO THEN I TOOK THESE OUT OF, UM, I JUST LOOKED AT BONNEVILLE AND THE STATE OF BONNEVILLE COUNTY AND THE STATE OF IDAHO.
JUST TO NOTE, INTERESTING TO NOTE, BONNEVILLE COUNTY IS ACTUALLY GROWING ALMOST DOUBLE, NOT QUITE DOUBLE OF WHAT WE'RE GROWING.
AND THIS IS JUST WITHIN A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
SO THEY HAVE A HIGHER GROWTH RATE AND THE STATE OF IDAHO DOES THAN US.
YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE HAD, UH, IN ONE YEAR, FROM 2020 TO 2021, WE HAD A JUMP IN OUR MEDIAN HOUSING VALUE OF $137,000.
WE HAD A TREMENDOUS JUMP DURING COVID.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE CAUSE OF THAT, BUT IT HAPPENED.
WHEN PEOPLE ASK US WHY ARE THERE SO MANY APARTMENTS BEING BUILT? I'M JUST GONNA SHOW YOU THIS GRAPH AND THESE PERCENTAGES.
WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT PENT UP DEMAND IN OUR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.
THESE SHOULD BE AROUND, UH, DOUBLE DIGITS, BUT NOT LIKE, LIKE 10% OR, BUT WE'RE EXTREMELY LOW.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE BUILDING SO MUCH MULTI-FAMILY.
IT LUCKILY IS DIVERSIFYING OUR HOUSING STOCK AND PROVIDING MORE HOUSING FOR OUR GENERAL POPULATION.
UM, BECAUSE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS A SIGNIFICANT JUMP AND THEN STARTED TO PLATEAU.
SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT'S AN ISSUE, YES IT IS AN ISSUE.
UM, I WANTED ALL THIS TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION, BUT THIS IS JUST A TOOL THAT YOU CAN USE.
THEY CALL IT THE, THE ONE THIRD MULTIPLIER.
THEY USE THIS WITH HUD AND CDBG.
UM, BUT THEY TAKE THE ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME.
THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL, SO IT'S $63,049 AND YOU EXTRAPOLATE DATA DOWN TO GET BASICALLY WHAT THEY CAN SPEND.
SO, UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1700 FOR THE ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME OF AN INDIVIDUAL.
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AND THEN HUD EXTRAPOLATES THAT DOWN TO 80, 50 AND 30%.SO THIS IS WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD OF ON HOUSING.
SO THESE THREE NUMBERS REALIZE THAT THESE ARE WORKING POOR, THESE ARE NOT.
SO THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED.
THESE AREN'T PEOPLE, LIKE A COMMON MISCONCEPTION OF THIS DATA IS THAT WELL, THEY'RE NOT WORKING.
THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY FALSE ON THIS DATA.
SO I JUST SHOW THE MEDIAN MORTGAGE RATE RIGHT THERE.
1500 MEDIAN RENT IS 931 AND THE MEDIAN RENT FOR A TWO BEDROOM IS UM, 1100.
IF YOU TAKE THAT BACK, THIS NUMBER BACK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME AND FOR A MORTGAGE IS 1500.
THEY HAVE BASICALLY A $200 WIGGLE ROOM.
THAT, THAT'S QUITE PROBLEMATIC.
SO YOU FIGURE THIS DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR FOOD, DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR TRANSPORTATION.
IT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR HEATING.
SO OUR ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME, JUST AN INDIVIDUAL.
SO THIS IS NOT A HOUSEHOLD REALIZE A HOUSEHOLD WOULD PROBABLY BE AROUND 80 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
BUT, UH, REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WORKING, THE ABILITY TO AFFORD A MORTGAGE, THEIR ONE EVENT FROM BEING IN THE LOW, VERY LOW AND EXTREME PROPERTY RANGE.
ALSO, THE LOW INCOME REALIZED THEY CANNOT AFFORD A MORTGAGE.
OUR MEDIAN MORTGAGE RIGHT NOW.
SO THE 80 PERCENTILE CANNOT AFFORD IT.
LUCKILY OUR RENTS, I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GREAT, BUT OUR RENTS ARE STILL OKAY.
BUT SOMEONE IN THE VERY LOW PERCENTILE AND EXTREMELY LOW PERCENTILE CANNOT AFFORD TO RENT IN OUR CITY.
WE'RE NOT APPROACHING MAJOR PROBLEMS. BUT THAT IS A PROBLEM.
IT IS A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
SO WE EITHER DIVERSIFY AND WE TRY TO CREATE MORE ON THE SUPPLY SIDE OF OUR HOUSING STOCK OR DO SOMETHING TO OFFSET THAT NUMBER.
BUT THE ANNUAL MEDIAN IN PARTICULAR BEING SO CLOSE TO OUR MEDIAN MORTGAGE, IT'S REALLY PROBLEMATIC.
SO, UH, WE'RE NOT UNAFFORDABLE, BUT WE'RE OKAY.
UH, AND THEN I JUST TRACKED OUT OUR MORTGAGE AND RENT JUST TO SHOW THOSE TREND LINES.
'CAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEE OUR MORTGAGE IS SPIKING.
SO THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP.
OUR MEDIAN MORTGAGE WILL PROBABLY INCREASE IN THE NEXT FEW CENSUS DATA.
UM, BUT OUR RENT IS PLATEAUING, WHICH IS GOOD.
YOU'LL SEE OUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME HAS STARTED TO DROP.
I DON'T KNOW THE FULL REASON OF THAT.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S DUE TO INFLATION AND THAT'S WHAT'S KILLING US RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK I SHOULD USE THAT TERM, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THAT PROBLEM.
BRIAN HAS A GREAT SPREADSHEET THAT TRACKS BUILDING PERMITS BACK TO 1979.
SO I DIDN'T BORE YOU WITH THIS DATA.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW A COUPLE THINGS ON THIS.
UM, THAT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WE ARE ON TREND TO BUILD MORE MULTI-FAMILY HOMES THAN WE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN OUR CITY.
WE'VE HIT THAT TREND TWICE NOW.
UM, I WAS GONNA LOOK AT 2024, BUT THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY DOESN'T HAVE GOOD ENOUGH DATA ON THIS.
THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 4,607 THAT WE'VE BUILT.
AND THEN I JUST EXTRAPOLATED THIS OUT TO MULTIFAMILY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE FULL TREND OF SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES BEING CONSTRUCTED IN THE LAST LONG BEFORE I WAS BORN.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE OVERALL BUILDING PERMIT DATA, JUST TO SHOW THAT THERE'S ONE THING TO NOTE WHEN YOU HAVE HIGH MORTGAGE, YOU TEND TO HAVE REMODELS GO IN.
THEN THAT NUMBER STARTS TO CLIMB 'CAUSE PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOME AND THEY REMODEL THEM.
SO THEN THE LAST DATA I HAVE, UM, IS JUST TO SHOW THE VALUATION.
UH, THE MAYOR ALREADY HIT ON THIS THREE YEARS.
NOW WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT FROM THE CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY AND VALUATION OF OUR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY.
SO, SO INVESTMENT IS OCCURRENCE.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING ON THE PLANNING SIDE? I'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THESE A LITTLE QUICKLY.
AS I SAID, WE CAN ADDRESS SOME THINGS ON THE SUPPLY SIDE, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER MICROECONOMICS, ONE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS WE, WE HAVE LITTLE CONTROL ON THE DEMAND SIDE.
BASICALLY PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE.
WE'RE NOT MO WE'RE NOT GOING AS HIGH AS YOU WOULD THINK.
AND WE'RE NOT LUCKILY STAGNATING.
THAT'S ACTUALLY MUCH MORE OF A NEGATIVE PROBLEM.
BUT WE ARE GROWING AND SO WE CAN'T REALLY CONTROL, SOME PEOPLE WANT US TO SHUT THE DOOR BEHIND US.
THERE'S NO POLICY OR GOVERNMENT POSITION THAT WOULD EVER TAKE THAT POSITION.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MOVE HERE.
SO, UH, WHAT WE CAN CONTROL IS BASICALLY TRYING TO EXPEDITE THE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT ALSO IN TRYING TO DIVERSIFY OUR HOUSING STOCK.
SO ONE THING THAT WE DID, THIS WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WHICH CARRIE SHOWED ME THIS MAP, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS AWESOME.
TN ZONE, WHICH IS, UH, ON THE NORTH AND ON THE EAST OF US IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
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TO ALLOW MORE INFILL AND A MORE DIVERSE TYPE OF HOUSING.IT HAS PROVED BENEFICIAL OVERALL.
WE HAVE ADDED JUST IN THAT AREA OF OUR CITY, 90 UNITS TO OUR CITY.
WE'VE GOT MORE, WE'VE GOT MORE, UM, SUPPLY THERE.
WE ALSO WAS ALREADY MENTIONED ABOUT TAX INCREMENT FINANCING.
THIS WAS SOMETHING, UH, BRAD KRAMER WAS IMPLEMENTING, WHICH I HAVE CONTINUED TO CARRY FORWARD.
WE HAVE A PROJECT ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT'S BEING, UM, CONSIDERED FOR A TIF DISTRICT.
THAT PROJECT DOES HAVE HOUSING IMPLEMENTED IN IT.
UM, THEN ALSO SOME VARIATIONS TO CREATE MORE INTERESTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, WE'VE ADAPTED THE FORM BASE CODE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OUR DOWNTOWN.
IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN THAT WENT THROUGH, THAT, INSTEAD OF CREATING VERY RIGID PARAMETERS WITHIN OUR ZONE DISTRICT, IT CREATES, I CALL IT A CORRAL.
THAT'S NOT A GOOD ANALOGY, BUT IT LETS YOU MOVE THE, WITH THOSE BOUNDARIES AND IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT IN HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS.
SO IT CREATES A DIVERSITY OF CHARACTER.
UM, WE ALSO, YOU KNOW ABOUT WALKABLE CENTERS, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT TO CONCENTRATE THE DENSITY.
SO WE ALLOW MORE DENSITY IN SELECT AREAS IN OUR CITY AND THAT'S TO HELP MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BUILDING INTO THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE STILL TRYING TO ADDRESS MISSING MIDDLE.
WE'RE WORKING ON DEFINITION COLLABORATIONS WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO TRY TO STREAMLINE THAT DEFINITION.
'CAUSE WE RUN INTO ISSUES LIKE WITH FIRE, UH, ONCE FIRE SUPPRESSION ON A CERTAIN TYPE OF STRUCTURE, WHICH IMPACTS THE STREET WIDTH WITH THEN, WHICH THEN IMPACTS OUR DENSITY.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW TO MAKE THAT MORE STREAMLINED AND ALSO PAIR THAT WITH OUR, UM, IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN, YEAH, I'LL JUST CONTINUING TO TRY TO BUILD DIVERSE HOUSING TYPES.
SO I'LL JUST GO OVER THESE, THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE.
SO WHAT WE SEE IN CDS CONTINUE TO IMPROVE OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TIMES.
WE'RE TRYING TO GO OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND ENGINEERS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT PERCEPTION, AS YOU MENTIONED, JOHN, ABOUT HOW TO GET A BETTER GRASP OF THAT AND ALSO TRY TO IMPROVE THAT COMMUNICATION.
SO IF THERE IS A NEGATIVE PERCEPTION, WHICH ISN'T TRUE, OR IF IT IS TRUE, AT LEAST WE'RE COMMUNICATING OPENLY AND HONESTLY WITH THEM.
UM, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE'RE SEEING A MORE DEMAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MORE DIVERSITY IN THAT HOUSING, UH, REQUEST.
THE DEVELOPMENT THEN BECOMES MORE COMPLEX.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT WE'VE GOTTA GET, NIP THAT ON THE REVIEW TIME THEN, BECAUSE THEN THE REVIEWS ARE GONNA BE MORE COMPLEX, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WE'VE ALREADY DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.
THE MAIN CONCERNS I HAVE, UM, MOVING FORWARD IS, UM, I I DO WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STAFF LEVEL.
UM, WE'RE A VERY BARE BONES DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE BALANCING A LOT OF THINGS.
AND UM, AND THAT CREATES SOME TURNOVER BECAUSE OF PAY AND THE, AND THE CONTRACTOR SECTOR.
UM, BUT ALSO I DO WORRY ABOUT BURNOUT.
WE HAVE SOME PLANNERS THAT ARE MANAGING MULTIPLE, VERY COMPLEX AND VERY TIME SENSITIVE THAT THERE'S A TON OF PRESSURE ON THEM TO GET THESE THINGS OUT AND MOVING.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, UH, JUST WORKING ON THAT, I GET CONCERNED SOMETIMES ABOUT THAT PERCEPTION, THAT EXPECTATION OF EXPECTATION OF CDS WILL RISE TO THE CAUSE.
BUT I, I DO WORRY SOMETIMES THAT WE, WE KIND OF GET THAT POINT OF BEING THE, THE SCAPEGOAT.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PLAY THE VICTIM, BUT JUST THAT SOMETIMES THAT POINT COMES TO US WHEN SOME THINGS, IT REALLY ISN'T TO US.
AND, UM, AND SO I I JUST TRY HOW TO MANAGE THAT, HOW TO COMMUNICATE THAT BETTER.
ANYWAYS, WITH THAT, YOU'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS WITH YOUR TIME.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S HARD WHEN IT'S DARK OUT THERE 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY LIKE, WELL I GUESS IT'S ALMOST, IT'S FIVE 30, BUT
SO WHAT CAN I HELP YOU WITH? QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR AND, YOU KNOW, UM, POLICY CONVERSATIONS ARE COMING.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO DENSITY AND FIRE, UM, THAT WILL BE A WORK SESSION CONVERSATION.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'LL GET SQUEEZED INTO THIS, UH, CALENDAR YEAR OR IF IT'LL BE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, BUT WE HAVE SOME OTHER ONE.
I THINK MARGARET IS IN THE PROCESS OF, OF, UH, IDENTIFYING WHICH WORK SESSIONS ARE GONNA BE THE BEST FOR WHICH POLICY DISCUSSIONS, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND WE WILL, UM, GET THAT SORT OF ASPIRATIONAL MASTER LIST SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT DIRECTORS ARE GONNA SHOOT FOR AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL LET GET YOU TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND TRYING TO SHOOT FOR.
DID WAS FIRE DENSITY IN THERE OR NOT QUITE? YES.
THERE'S A LITTLE MORE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO JUST TO KIND OF, SORT OF SORT THROUGH WHAT THAT DISCUSSION LOOKS LIKE.
UM, WADE AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA TRY AND MEET ON THAT THIS WEEK AND THEN
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WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT, TRY TO SCHEDULE THAT.IT'LL PROBABLY BE, UM, JUST, JUST SORT OF IN ONE OF THE DECEMBER WORK SESSIONS IS THE HOPE IF YEAH, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL THE HOMEWORK'S BEEN DONE.
WE DON'T WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO YOU WHERE CLEARLY YOU'RE GOING WITHIN FIVE MINUTES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS THAT STOP THE PANEL.
WE WANT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE BUILD A HOMEWORK.
BUT, UM, BESIDES THE POLICY ISSUES THAT, UH, WADE RAISED, ANY, UH, THOUGHTS ABOUT BUDGET? ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HIS GOALS? ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT STAFFING? I THINK IS ONE THAT I THINK IT'S VERY REAL.
I THINK WE NEED TO INVEST MORE DOLLARS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TURNOVER THAT'S COMING, RIGHT? THAT, UH, AND I THINK SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS ARE MAYBE ABOUT THE LEVEL OF PAY THAT WE NEED TO ATTRACT INSPECTORS TO, TO ATTRACT ARCHITECTS.
MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE SOME INTERPRETATIONS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT, AND I DON'T, AND I KNOW WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES, LIKE, BUT WHAT WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS PUT IT ALL ON YOU AND THEN SAY THAT FIX IT WITHOUT RESOURCES AND WITHOUT ONE, UM, OPTIONS.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE, JUST TWO QUESTIONS QUICKLY.
I'VE BEEN SEEING SOME IQ THAT'S PART OF THE IVY I, THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
THERE'S A NEW AMENDMENT QUEUE FOR SMALL HOUSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
IS THIS TRUE? IS THIS SOMETHING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD THAT COULD HELP.
'CAUSE THEN YOU COULD SELL A HOUSE FOR 80 OR 90,000 AND IT'S LIKE ON, ON FIVE ACRES YOU COULD HAVE 12 MANY HOUSES.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT CODES THAT ARE REAL FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY 800 SQUARE FEET VERSUS AND WHICH THOSE KIND OF THINGS, IF IT'S COME FROM IBC, THEN MAYBE WE COULD ADOPT IT FROM THE STATE AS OPPOSED TO US MAKING IT UP.
YEAH, WE CAN, THAT WAS INTERESTING.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS SHARING HOUSING.
IS THERE THINGS IN OUR CODE, LIKE THE OLD MODEL BOARDING HOUSES SEEM TO BE LIKE, YOU JUST DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT.
AND YET WE HAVE ALL THESE SINGLE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE A BETTER LIFE AND COULD SHARE SOME RESOURCES PROBABLY AND LIVE SOME PLACES.
BUT LIKE, DO WE HAVE CODE THAT'S PREVENTING THAT, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? OR IS IT NO, WE, WE UH, WE STAY AWAY FROM THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY, WHICH REGULATES THAT.
SO THERE'S BROAD LATITUDE FOR PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
THEY JUST AREN'T CHOOSING TO DO IT OR THERE ISN'T A MOVEMENT SOCIALLY TO DO IT.
WHAT YOU SAY, THERE'S A MOVEMENT.
SO IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL BOARDING HOUSE WHERE YOU RENT A ROOM THAT IS ONLY ALLOWED IN, UM, AN R TWO ZONE OR BETTER.
SO YOUR RP OR YOUR R ONE ZONES WILL NOT ALLOW FOR THAT.
WHAT ABOUT TRADITIONAL, UH, TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DOES ALLOW FOR BOARDING HOUSES, UM, WHICH IS UNIQUE.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU USED TO FIND THEM.
I THINK WE DO HAVE A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION WHO ARE LIVING TOGETHER IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS AN R ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S HAPPENING.
IF SOMEONE CALLED OUR OFFICE TO ASK, CAN I DO THIS LEGALLY, THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO.
UM, WE HAVE TRIED TO IMPROVE THINGS WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WITH MIXED RESPONSE.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF TAKERS.
I HONESTLY THINK BOARDING HOMES AND WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING MIGHT BE A WAY THAT YOU DO SEE SOME AFFORDABILITY.
UM, BUT BALANCING THAT WITH WHAT THAT MEANS FOR AN R ONE OR AN RP NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION.
SOME OTHER PET HAVE THOUGHTFUL FACES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS FOR MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND THE OH, FOR SURE.
THAT'S KIND OF OUR, IT'S OUR DUTY, RIGHT? AS PUBLIC SERVICE, BUT DOING IT PROACTIVELY FOR LONG TERM TOO.
LIKE YOU MEET WITH 'EM ALL THE TIME INDIVIDUALLY, BUT TO GET 'EM TOGETHER AND HAVE THIS, SO SOMETIMES THOUGH, LIKE THEY, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR OUTSIDE OF A PROJECT AND MORE OF THEIR DISCUSSION POINTS.
AND THIS IS OUR HOLISTIC, WHAT WE WERE SAYING.
AND YEAH, IT, IT GIVES US GOOD PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK THAT ONE THING YOU LEARN WHEN YOU ARE IN ANY KIND OF SERVICE BUSINESS, WHICH I THINK YOU ARE IN THE SERVICE BUSINESS, THAT PEOPLE HAVE EMOTIONAL REACTIONS, THEY'RE NOT TYPICALLY DATA DRIVEN.
AND I THINK THIS DATA'S GONNA BE SO USEFUL.
AND I KNOW LIKE I, IN MY OWN PROFESSIONAL CAREER HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT MOMENT WHERE YOU'VE HAD TO GO, WELL HERE'S ACTUALLY THE DATA.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S REALLY HARD, RIGHT? UM, YOU HOPE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET THERE.
BUT I THINK IF YOU DO, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THIS HAD TO BEEN AN, AN INSANELY TIME INTENSIVE PROJECT FOR YOU
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DIRECTOR SANDUM, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S SO USEFUL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE RESEARCH AND YOU KNOW, HUMANS ARE EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN LIVING THINGS.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TERRIBLY SURPRISED THAT THERE'S SOME DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME INDIVIDUALS, ALTHOUGH I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE OUTLIERS, RIGHT? I THINK YOU'D BE WILLING TO ADMIT THAT SOMETIMES PROJECTS DON'T GO AS SMOOTHLY AND THEN THERE ARE DELAYS.
UM, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS YOU'RE DOING, NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE IS GOING TO GET THE PERFECT TREATMENT AS MUCH AS WE WANT THEM TO.
RIGHT? UM, AND SO I THINK THIS DATA IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
UM, YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, WHY ARE THERE MANY APARTMENTS GOING UP? I SHOW 'EM THIS NUMBER.
RIGHT? YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY TO PEOPLE? I SAY, WHY DON'T YOU GO ASK THE PERSON WHO SOLD THE PROPERTY TO THEM.
IF YOU DIDN'T WANT AN APARTMENT IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU MIGHT WANNA GO ASK THE FARMER WHY THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY.
ESPECIALLY WHEN FOLKS SAY, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE OUR CULTURE FOREVER.
OR, I ALWAYS WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR FIELD.
THE CITY DOESN'T, ISN'T FORCING ANYONE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY TO DEVELOPERS.
GO ASK THE PROPERTY OWNER WHY THEY SOLD IT.
AND THE SAME WITH WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHY CAN'T WE KEEP PEOPLE FROM MOVING HERE? YEAH.
I WAS LIKE, I I'M FRANKLY, I'M A TRANSPLANT.
DO YOU NOT WANT ME HERE? YOU KNOW? AND SO LIKE
BUT YEAH, LIKE YOU, YOU, THERE'S SOME THINGS POLICY-WISE WE CAN ADDRESS AND SOME THINGS WE CAN'T.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT SENTIMENT TOO.
'CAUSE I ALSO, I'M A VERY REALIST, I'M A PRAGMATIST AND I REALIZE THAT THERE IS IMPROVEMENT.
AND SO TO ME WHERE THERE'S IMPROVEMENT, WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE STEPS.
BUT SOME THINGS ARE VERY EMOTIONAL OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
THEY HAVE MONEY ON THE LINE AND I GET IT RIGHT.
LIKE I THINK WE ALL GET IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
WE HAD A RIBBON CUTTING ONCE THAT WE'RE NOT HERE FOR, BUT THERE WAS A FORMER EMPLOYEE, RETIRED EMPLOYEE WHO SAID, I WENT AND I DID THIS PRESENTATION TO A CLUB AND SOMEONE COMPLAINED ABOUT ALL YOU MOVING HERE.
AND I SAID, HOW MANY OF YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED HERE? AND SO WERE YOUR PARENTS OR YOUR GRANDPARENTS? AND ABOUT 10% OF THE ROOM RAISED THEIR HAND.
AND THEY SAID, SO ALL OF YOU, SO YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
ALL OF YOU, ALL OF YOU CAME HERE FOR ONE REASON OR THE OTHER.
WELL, JIM'S, NOT JIM'S PER PRO.
JIM, HOW MANY GENERATIONS NOW? THREE.
BUT IT WAS HERE BEFORE WE CAME PATENT.
REMEMBER IT? IT WAS ALREADY OUT BALL WITH EAGLE ROCKS STILL
SO JUST TO ADD TO THIS, UH, APPRECIATION, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, I'M GONNA NEED A LITTLE MORE SCHOOLING ON THE ONE THIRD MULTIPLIER NUMBER.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE DATA.
IT'S, BUT, BUT THE GIST OF THIS HOWEVER, IS, UM, ANOTHER ANSWER THAT I CAN PULL OUT OF MY, UH, BACKPACK OF ANSWERS.
WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA STOP BUILDING SO MANY APARTMENTS? JUST UNPACKING THAT PHRASE ALONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, AND, UH, WHEN WILL THE PRIVATE SECTOR STOP, UH, PROVIDING A PRODUCT WHEN PEOPLE STOP WANTING IT? UM, AND, AND THAT USUALLY GETS PEOPLE THINKING, OH, OKAY, OKAY, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, UH, TRYING TO GET A QUICK, SNAPPY ANSWER, BUT, UM, TO GO ON AND GIVE US THE ADDITIONAL INSIGHT THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WANTING THESE MULTIFAMILY PRODUCTS FOR QUITE SOME TIME BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE AMERICAN DREAM OF THE SINGLE WRENCH STYLE HOME ON YOUR OWN PARCEL OF LAND.
UM, THAT THAT'S A REALITY THAT I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US SOME INFORMATION FOR.
I'M GONNA NEED HELP READING IT.
BUT, UM, REMEDIATION SCHOOL ASIDE, THANK YOU.
BECAUSE, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE AWARE OF THOSE ECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY TRY TO BE BETTER TEACHERS WHEN WE GET THOSE QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION REQUEST MAYBE THAT SURE.
IN MIND AND I, WE, WHEN YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE STAFF, BURNOUT OUT TOUCHING ME SOMEHOW, LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S SERIOUS IN MY MIND.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE YOU COULD SPEND SOME TIME BEFORE WE GO INTO THE BUDGETING NEXT, NEXT YEAR, FIGURING OUT WHAT THE CORE PROBLEM IS IN INTERNALLY AND THAT WOULD CREATE THAT SENSE OF BURNOUT AND A PLAN TO ADDRESS IT, WHETHER IT COSTS MONEY OR, I, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT COSTS MONEY, BUT IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER THERE MUST BE, THERE MUST BE SOME REASON BEHIND THAT.
AND IF IT'S MORE STAFFING THAT ONE THING, IF IT'S, IF IT'S
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PAY GRADE, THEY'RE IN THE WRONG PAY GRADE.YOU GIVE 'EM BONUSES, THEY DO OVER A HUNDRED INSPECTIONS.
IT'S A HARD THING INTERNALLY AND THEN COME UP WITH SOME WAY AS WE PROPOSE A BUDGET YEAH.
OF HOW WE MIGHT WORK ON IT FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT.
AND I, I DON'T WANT THIS TO SOUND LIKE A ARY KIND OF THE NATURE OF CDSI HATE TO SAY THIS.
WE DO GET BEAT UP AND THAT'S KIND OF THE NATURE OF OUR WORK.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT ENTIRELY WHEN I WENT INTO THIS FIELD.
AND YOU SEE IT WITH DEVELOPERS THOUGH.
LIKE DEVELOPERS ARE UNDER THE GUN TO GET THINGS BUILT BEFORE FINANCING COMES TOO.
AND SO I, THAT JUST CREATES A REAL INTENSE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT YOU DO GET BEAT UP PRETTY BAD.
AND SO WE, AND CDS, AND IT'S NOT TRYING TO SOUND A SOB STORY, BUT I, I'VE HEARD THAT ANECDOTE MULTIPLE TIMES.
LIKE, WHY WASN'T I SUPPORTED? OR, OR WHY WAS, WHY DID THIS HAPPEN? WHY IS THIS DEVELOPER RAILING ON ME WHEN I GOT IT OUT? AND I HEAR ALL SORTS OF ANECDOTES.
SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S MORE ELEMENTS THAN JUST STAFFING LEVELS AND HOW MUCH THEY GET PAID.
AND, AND I THINK STAFFING LEVELS WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF IT.
BUT I, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST MORE COMPLEX.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE OF A WICKED PROBLEM, BUT NOT, YEAH.
WELL I LIKE WHAT JIM SAID, EXPLORE IT INTERNALLY BECAUSE I THINK, UM, THAT COULD INVOLVE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, NOT JUST DATA, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, COUNTING THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS, BUT ALSO, UM, SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND IT COULD INVOLVE, UH, BRINGING HR IN, UM, IN WAYS THAT, THAT ARE MORE EMOTIONALLY, UH, UH, DRIVEN THAN JUST THE, THE EXTERNALS THAT WE TEND TO THINK ABOUT WITH OUR DOLLARS AND CENTS.
AND SO I, UM, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OF JIM, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING EXPLORE IT, BUT PERHAPS YOU HAD OTHER THOUGHTS.
NO, THAT'S, NO, THAT'S LIKE ONE THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT FOR CHRISTMAS, FOR EXAMPLE.
ONE THING WE'RE DOING IN OUR DEPARTMENT, YOU MEAN THE HOLIDAY SEASON? OH YES, SORRY.
UH, EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION IS ACTUALLY WHAT IT IS IN OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT UM, IS, IS ACTUALLY, UH, JUST GETTING AWAY FROM THE OFFICE.
AND JUST, THAT'S ONE THING THAT, UH, ANN WAS THE ONE THAT CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS BRILLIANT.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
YEAH, THEY CAN LOOK INTO IT HERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBERS OR WISDOM OR SUGGESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WELL THEN, UM, IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO DRIVE TO THE MEETING, UM, AND THE WEATHER'S CREDIT, BE CAREFUL.
UM, 'CAUSE YOU NEED TO GO THE WAY TO FAIRGROUNDS.
UM, WE DO HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW MORNING FOR POWER AND UM, WE'LL SEE Y'ALL LATER.
THANK YOU TO CVS FOR A REALLY THOUGHTFUL, UH, AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION AND.